off-topic-tech

[jagged snow]

You can find plenty of parts for things

And taking pride in the things you own doesn't mean new replacement parts

[twin dew]

And maintenance is lot more than just replacing parts.

[jagged snow]

But it does mean good upkeep

[pure karma]

I have a nail as a wheel bearing on my four wheeler

[jagged snow]

So much this

[pure karma]

Better than nothing

[twin dew]

And mostly bearings are pretty standard, getting something that fits is usually possible, even when the exact part code isn't available.

[pure karma]

I got one but i have to grind it down a smidge since it doesn’t fit

[jagged snow]

Most wheel bearings are press-fit

And are designed to be tight

[twin dew]

Yeah, the bearing outer and inner races must not turn in respect to their mating surface while in use.

[jagged snow]

Yep

[tribal kraken]

Lots of later cars have changed to wheel bearing that you replace with bolted flange. So no press needed for the job. But more expensive bearing as new comes with the flange

[jagged snow]

That's not by any means universal

But it is nice for the installer when avaliable

[pure karma]

Honestly im woried about the motor more than anything

its so burnt and covered in oil that its literally black like coal

[jagged snow]

Eh, that in and of itself isn't a huge concern

Small oil leak from the top end will easily get covered in dust and grime on atvs

[tribal kraken]

Like this

[pure karma]

yea well it has no manifold, runs too rich, has a foam block held on by a belt as a air filter, roals coal out the right side of the head gasket and so much more

Its 40 and has nerver been rebuilt tho so it makes sense

[jagged snow]

It's not like that because it's 40

It's like that because it wasn't taken care of

[pure karma]

Its like that because it worked no matter what

If it aint broke why fix it

[jagged snow]

Weren't you just complaining about how it's broken?

[twin dew]

When you just told lot of stuff that is broken, and "fixed".

[jagged snow]

I understand that your atv probably isn't something that matters a lot to you, but from my perspective you rarely have a good reason not to take care of something

[pure karma]

yea since a mechanic would have a stroke at the sight of it and the patch jobs but at the end of the day everything works in a usable state other than the high,low switch

[pure karma]

i maintain what i can but at the end of the day its hard to throw money and time into parts for something worth less that even 30% of what needs replacing in a ideal world

[jagged snow]

And that's fair
I keep up on oil changes, brakes, mechanical stuff but my car is never getting repainted even though it's down to the primer in spots

That doesn't stop me from doing my best to take care of it though

And there's a little bit of difference between paint and having a cobbled together wheel bearing on an offroad vehicle that is ridden aggressively

[pure karma]

i changed the oil once when my grandpa put mixed gas in it thinking it was normal gas when i asked him if he would fill it up

that was “fun”

[jagged snow]

Most atvs expect an oil change every 10-20 hours

[pure karma]

thats it?

[jagged snow]

That's it
They really are high-performance engines after all

Work-oriented machines usually aren't quite so bad

But most atvs have small filters and an even smaller oil capacity

Usually ~.75L

[pure karma]

ok well once in like 8 years is pretty bad i have to say

[jagged snow]

At the most, down to around .5 for some models

[pure karma]

but it had no issues and it also sits a lot

[jagged snow]

Yeah, generally that means you need one a year no matter what

For best performance and engine longevity

[pure karma]

Best performance is called the winter atmosphere

[bold tapir]

why, amd

can i configure it or something

i guess 4.0 would be better

[twin dew]

Put some load.
PCIe can downscale to save power.

And then load the same screen again while something 3D is running.

[bold tapir]

Oh good

[tough owl]

we love pcie

[bold tapir]

Thank god not nvidia x8 in 2025

[twin dew]

AMD has GPUs with 4x (laptop recycle on desktop space) and 8x max widths.

[pure karma]

B580 is 8X but idk about nvidia

[gilded helm]

Is x16 ever useful in some sort of burst workload scenarios for gaming? I've always figured laptops should be x8 max, and reallocate the lanes to Thunderbolt.

[twin dew]

Basically once a card has "enough" bandwidth, more doesn't matter except if you run out of VRAM.

With that AMD 4x card, not having designed 4.0x4 for it hurt, like even 3.0x4 caused performance regression.
But that didn't matter in the original laptop use, as any CPU it was to be paired with would have had PCIe 4.0.

But 5090 doesn't really care if you put it into 5.0x16 or 3.0x16 slot IIRC.

When tested in games.
CUDA use is different.

[jagged snow]

For gaming workloads, the data throughput over pcie is fairly bursty but during average gameplay is also fairly low. Most commands sent to the gpu over the interface can more or less just allow it to operate on data already in vram.

Loading new models or large datasets into vram is the biggest bottleneck, usually

Or queueing up a very large batch of commands

[bold tapir]

when that 8 gb nvidia brick runs out of vram it needs pcie lines to access system ram

[gilded helm]

I can recall gaming laptops boasting about x16 lanes for their GPUs in advertising, as if it does anything. Better to figure out how to reallocate that to USB ports and external IO so everything has more throughput, and you don't need to remember which USB port is 5 gbps or 40gbps.

[jagged snow]

Yep

Especially where modern usb/thunderbolt can do 4 lanes of gen4, you really do need it for io

[gilded helm]

Especially if you have 8 spare lanes of 5.0 which can turn into pretty much as IO as you can fit on a laptop.

[jagged snow]

Yep, it's an insane amount of bandwidth

When you really stop and think about how much just a few KB/s is, GB/s gains a lot of appreciation

[twin dew]

PCIe 5.0x16 has about same bandwidth as dual-channel DDR5 4800-5200 @ JEDEC.

Ok, little less than 4800 JEDEC

At full-duplex, while RAM is half-duplex.

I mean that in one direction they are close, but PCIe can do both at same time, while RAM cannot.

[jagged snow]

Yep

It's pretty insane, actually

[twin dew]

But RAM has half-to-quarter the latency of PCIe, depending on settings.

50-100ns for RAM, around 200ns for PCIe

[jagged snow]

Which is th entire reason we use a custom interface for it(that and the fact that it's much easier to handle refreshes that way)

[twin dew]

But off to bed ->

[pure karma]

its not really bandwith thats the problem tho no?

isent the entire problem that its too much additional coordination to be worth it

[languid gulch]

ok now i have to go back and see if GN or HUB did 4090/5090 testing at x16 & x8

oh, literally second result is GN 🤣

[twin dew]

Well, not at 8x, but with 16x at different speeds, and 8x is same as one step lower 16x.

[twin dew]

And correction to this:
128 bit DDR5.
As that is actually quad-channel on DDR5, not dual.
As DDR5 uses 32bit channels, two per DIMM.

[night girder]

DDU did not help. I think monitor be dying. Why?

• issue seems to dissapear after messing around a little bit. (Take out cable, plug back in. Mess with refresh rate untill problem dissapears).
• issue is not visible when taking screenshots (need to take external photo).
• issue is also visible when using monitor menu itself.

And it only happens on cold boot of monitor.

[twin dew]

Yeah, if it affects the monitor menu, it is monitor internal.
And when it doesn't show up in screenshot, it means the actual frame buffer on GPU is ok, and could only be from later fixed function HW on the card anyways.

[night girder]

Yeah. Was thinking same.

In my head this monitor isn't that old. Too sad. Maybe I used to too much. My other one is older than this one.

Iiyama is from 2017. No issues.
AOC from 2021. Four years old.

[dire igloo]

Models matter

but yeah, older tech tends to last longer

Then again: a good monitor can noticeably decrease in quality, a bad one would need to go to absolute shits

[night girder]

AOC 27G2U/BK which had good user reviews back at the time. But reviews don't include longevity of 4 years

[thin trout]

It does, but moreso for a few particular games and for high-framerate gaming. A lot of the PCI-E bandwidth cost is per-frame, and increased latency from queueing to access the bus affects high framerates more than low ones.

e.g.

As to why it affects performance even when the PCI-E bus is idle most of the time; that's not really a good reflection of how the bus is used.

For example if you suddenly need to move 1GB of data from A to B, faster bus completes that transfer in less time. It doesn't matter if it's sitting on its hands for 90% of the time after until the next transfers happen.

[twin dew]

And somehow GN got completely different results for Black Myth for example:

[thin trout]

different, less intensive scene

it's a common issue in game benchmarking that different scenes can have wildly different performance characteristics, even with the same game, hardware and settings. In WoW for example some scenes see vcache CCD being 5% faster, others 70% faster.

[twin dew]

So basically you are cherry-picking for the few cases where there is difference, when most of the time there isn't?

[thin trout]

no, there's a significant geomean delta even if you just include everything. The outliers of +10% perf from 3.0 to 4.0 to 5.0 are also important enough to have a mention.

[twin dew]

Not in that GN testing for games?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1NPFFRTzLo

[thin trout]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-pci-express-scaling/ much more comprehensive

a geomean of 3 games doesn't say much about overall perf

[verbal raft]

between 4 and 5 thats super small

even 3

[thin trout]

For playing games that are often around 60-120fps and more gpu core bottlenecked, yes. For high framerate gaming it's not.

[verbal raft]

❓

[thin trout]

yep

over 1% avg with a mix of null results, 2-3%'s, and an odd 10%.

[twin dew]

So basically for most part, minimal effect, except some outliers.

[thin trout]

but most notably, it's a lot more between 3.0 and 5.0, which is what we were talking about.

[verbal raft]

yeah.. on a 5090

[twin dew]

On full-HD, in that TechPowerup overall, 5.0x16 is 3.4% faster than 3.0x16

[thin trout]

Yes, Baldur specifically was talking about the difference between 3.0x16 and 5.0x16 on a 5090.

[verbal raft]

we havent a clue what OP had #off-topic-tech message

[thin trout]

It is, but the games affected by pci-e bottlenecks are scaling much more. There are more than a few games at >10% and some in the 20-30% range. People buying 5090's do care about randomly not having 20-30% performance on the game that they're playing, even if 9/10 of games don't lose that much. Some do, therefore i take issue with just calling it a general null result that won't make significant impact.

I deal with this sort of thing all of the time, people trying to set some benchmark or world record and running into scenarios where it's like "..this game performs 20% worse than it should, why?". In several cases it's been PCI-E perf, despite being on 3.0x16 or better. More often i suspect people lose that perf and they don't notice that the game SHOULD run better because it's not under a microscope.

[twin dew]

And I wasn't aware of the TechPowerup testing for that and the outliers.
But those seem to be pretty rare.
And no-one is limiting that PCIe speed just because anyways.

[thin trout]

Sure, i have talked to a few peeps who limit because of e.g. thinking it wouldn't make a difference (e.g. to run an Arc encoder card in a secondary slot), only to find sometimes moderate performance loss that they didn't expect or relate to the PCI-E perf.

[twin dew]

Weird, usually done only to use older riser cables.
But people can do weird stuff.

[thin trout]

Standard consumer CPU's (and thus motherboards) don't have enough pci-e lanes to run x16 on the main pci-e slot and still run greater than x4 elsewhere. It's standard for boards to have a configuration that can either run x16 in the main slot, or redirect that to x8/x8 if two things are plugged in.

That started when x8/x8 or better was a requirement for Nvidia SLI, but it's stuck around longer than SLI did.

For a very long time there were 20 lanes total, so it would be 16 for PCI-E and 4 for m.2.

There's a few more lanes on ryzen 7000/9000, but i've only seen them used for a couple of CPU m.2 slots rather than beefing up the secondary pci-e slot to an x16+x8 config.

Everything that runs through the chipset gets 4x 4.0 lanes shared, so no connection on it can be greater than 4.0 x4 and they all compete for that bandwidth (even though that can be like 5 or 10 or 20 devices).

It's basically like a highway that takes in 20 roads but only has 1 road going onwards to the destination, so they can all get there technically, but there's severe performance degradation if multiple people want to use that one road at the same time.

[verbal raft]

i found 2 games above the avarage diff at 4K out of 25 games
ones 11% other is 8% (its more at 1440 and 1080p, but you have to be insane to play at those res's with a 5090)
i dont really think anyone is ever gonna notice this

[twin dew]

Because of AMD mandate for the "chipset" naming.

[thin trout]

I do

[verbal raft]

without an fps counter and A t B tests ?
no you wont.

[thin trout]

Yes

[twin dew]

And because second 8x slot isn't really useful for anything anymore, but it is marketing point.
So instead of multiple useful 1x or 4x slots at usable positions, MBs have that split 8x slot and then M.2 slots, and nothing usable for actual PCIe cards for most part.

Because marketing got into race of who has most M.2 slots.

[verbal raft]

looking somewhere else in a game will have more impact than the diference between gen 3 and 5

[twin dew]

And then the design side for some reason positions those stupidly, so that the actual PCIe slots that MBs do have are too close to the 16x main slot...

Instead of PCIe 16x, M2, M2, PCIe, PCIe, they do PCIe, M2, PCIe, M2, PCIe.
Where then that middle PCIe is too close to that 16x to be used...

If they even have third PCIe slot at all..

Even at 1x.

[thin trout]

They have limited options there.

Anything faster than 4.0 x4 must be connected directly to the CPU, and there are serious length and signal integrity limitations that prevent them from putting something on the other end of an ATX board. The CPU stuff (pci-e lanes, RAM) is as close to the CPU as possible without violating keep-out zones.

I think at best it would require additional and significantly expensive hardware to relay the signals, and have more latency

[thin trout]

Yes you get +50% FPS in some scenes compared to others, doesn't mean that you don't care about +25% FPS due to a different factor.

Like if you can have 100 vs 150fps with slow pci-e or 125 vs 187 with fast, of course you notice it.

[twin dew]

And even stupider, when 4x PCIe slot could be converted into M.2 slot with cheap adapter, but good luck converting M.2 slot into usable PCIe card slot...

[verbal raft]

its never +25% tho
max 11% in one game
you wont notice it

[twin dew]

Point is that they do that even with chipset lane slots...

On lower end boards that don't have switching for 8x/8x.

[thin trout]

The chipset lane slots are all <= 4.0 x4

[twin dew]

But that POSITIONING! where the chipset slot is too close to the main slot.

[verbal raft]

to lighten the mood : )

2fps gameplay

[thin trout]

Yeah, not great 😄

[twin dew]

So any card used will block normal GPU air coolers by being too close.

[verbal raft]

hey its 4 with UP

[twin dew]

Basically makes even that 8x/8x split bad, just to save on single redriver set for costs.

[thin trout]

My current motherboard has sata connectors pointing upwards, but they're also too close to the pci-e slot so the graphics card overhangs them. Some of them can work, but i literally have to take the card out to plug/unplug the cable.

[languid gulch]

wow wtf

[verbal raft]

no wait
heres the best one yet
8fps with FG 😎

[thin trout]

I'l stop using SATA when my SATA ssd's die.

[verbal raft]

i also think FSR FG is just dead here

that frame time graph is not healthy for FSR FG

[verbal raft]

hey
at least i cant tell apart fake and real frames here

[verbal raft]

hey its 12fps at 240p
this is great guys

[twin dew]

Hmm... seems I have forgotten to take any pictures of the insides of my current computers...

[verbal raft]

aleast kryzzp was considerate enough to export this video in 4K so we can see this 240p in all its glory

[twin dew]

Even worse:
All three black 16x slots are 1x from chipset...

And only lowest one is really usable.

[thin trout]

You have an accessible m.2 above the graphics card slot at least

[twin dew]

Yeah, but point is the relative positioning of the chipset M.2 slots and the chipset PCIe slots.

Another:

[thin trout]

That top slot once gave me 0.2mm of clearance for installing a modified cpu cooler mount for offset mount

🤏🏻

[twin dew]

Another older one:

[thin trout]

🇫

[twin dew]

Basically that has been the layout for all four MB manufacturers for all AMD AM5 boards, where they put the center PCIe too high, and M.2 in between.

When with opposite order, the PCIe would be usable.

[thin trout]

It's because of the signal integrity and latency

[twin dew]

Again, all chipset.

And redrivers exist.

[thin trout]

The pci-e x16 from the CPU

either it's right next to the CPU or you have to buy redrivers and add latency

[twin dew]

Yeah, but that part with M.2 from CPU, and then 16x from CPU isn't the point, that is good.

[thin trout]

nobody wants their board to be $20 more expensive than everyone else, or have worse benchmarks, but yeah it is kind of solveable from a technical POV

just cost and ease of design is a pain

[twin dew]

Cannot put the main slot in position 1 anymore, as CPU coolers are too large.
But the lower down stuff should be M.2, M.2, then PCIe, PCIe.
Not M.2, PCIe, M.2, PCIe.

So that those PCIe slots are in positions 6 and 7, not 4 and 7.

[thin trout]

there are also concerns with case size, especially with larger graphics cards, although it's not an issue for me

a fair few cases are fine with 3-4 slot graphics cards in the top slot, but not bottom

[twin dew]

Example what I would like to be used more:

But that is the ONLY Asus AM5 board with anything like that slot layout, with two slots at the bottom.

[thin trout]

Yeah, in that case though they're unable to do x8/x8 from the CPU. Although nowadays, i would also argue that it's not a priority.

[twin dew]

Everything else has M.2 slot(s) at the positions 5-6.

[twin dew]

Like I said, none of the boards I posted HAVE two CPU PCIe slots.

[thin trout]

Yeah that's bad 😛

[twin dew]

Only 16x from CPU, and rest are from chipset.

And still have idiotic layout for the slots.

And even with CPU 8x/8x, you would only need set of redrivers for moving the second slot down more.

Making that second slot actually useful, and not just marketing point.

[visual tree]

By the time I buy RX 9070 XT + Ryzen 7 9700X in 2026, it will be outdated 😭

Probably like: buys Ryzen 7 9700X

Next day: AMD releases AM6

[thin trout]

am5 zen6 is in like a year

has great potential (denser and higher clocking node, move to 12c CCD instead of 8c, expected +50% L3 cache with that, expected new interconnect, expected new IOD with a much faster DDR5 controller)

am6 is a while out yet, they're doing one platform per memory generation and DDR6 isn't ready. There's even some discussion of if zen7 on AM5 might happen.

[visual tree]

Read AM6 is planned for 2028 but hope they will delay it

[thin trout]

at least 1 gen am5, 2028 could go either way ye

[visual tree]

Meanwhile, Intel is so obsessed with releasing new sockets I don't even remember which last 5 sockets have been released lol

[thin trout]

yeah lol

[visual tree]

Last I remember is LGA 775 🤣

[thin trout]

the 3 sockets of DDR4 skylake

[visual tree]

Theory is they are doing that so people keep buying new cpu + motherboard and mbo manufacturers then have to buy chipsets from intel

I will be gaming on 1080p until my monitor dies (buying a new 1440p monitor then). RX 9070 XT + Ryzen 7 9700X combo should be more than enough for this

Will have to buy a new motherboard + 32 GB of RAM though

[night girder]

don't do it 🙈

[visual tree]

Still use Asus VG248QE monitor I bought in December 2015. Don't know how it's still working considering planned obsolence lol

Probably the electronics in general which lasted for the longest in my life since 2000 (and I'm always using it)

[night girder]

I have a theory what might have happened to my monitor. So might by my own fault. Although I doubt it since I read the monitors are able to handle it.
I will think a bit more about PSU/Motherboard. Once I order those, I probably order new monitor I guess.
Or keep this monitor and lock it to lower refreshrate.

[visual tree]

Current title belongs to Radio Shack multimeter which is like 40 years old. Still working and the manufacturer went bankrupt a long time ago

[night girder]

The future of tech. Back to old hardware.

[visual tree]

Reminds me of Gateway monitor. First PC brand we owned

[thin trout]

I have a monitor that's been in constant use since 2008 and still going! My first widescreen

you can get something nowadays like 5x better than a vg248qe for the same price tho. IPS, much better resolution, refresh rate and response time

[visual tree]

I have my PC and monitor plugged into a surge protector so maybe that also contributed to my monitor still working

APC surge protector still has a green light which means it's working but that really isn't a reliable indicator. Need it test it somehow

Btw, looks like APC went out of surge protector business and they are focusing on UPS atm

[twin dew]

That green light basically tells that the protective element hasn't broken in non-conductive way, and if it failed conductive, breaker would blow.

Just large MOV (Metal Oxide Varistor) as the protection element, resistor that has its resistance change depending on voltage with sharp cutoff in the protective use ones, above normal mains voltage.

[visual tree]

😭

[twin dew]

Starts conducting and heats itself up to protect anything behind it.

Yeah, APC ones were good, but expensive.
So people didn't buy them but cheaper crappy ones.

[visual tree]

People always recommend to buy a solid PSU in order to protect hardware in case PSU goes down but they never mention spending €15-20 on a surge protector is also important

[twin dew]

Good PSUs also contain that MOV at the input, and couple of other protective elements.

But the bad side is that MOVs take damage each time they are used.

[visual tree]

Also have a working Belkin surge protector protecting modem and Unify AP. Bought in 2018 and still working. Guess I'll buy Belkin next since APC surge protector no longer exists

[dire igloo]

What does the surge protector protect me from that my breaker box and PSU can't handle?
Genuine question

[twin dew]

Overvoltage spikes.

Like the name says.
Can deal with larger spikes than the PSU internal protections, and also keeps that internal protection from failing shorted.

[dire igloo]

As in? USB device deciding to pull 6V instead of 5V?

[twin dew]

No, mains voltage spikes.

From thunder near lines etc.

[dire igloo]

Ah, so electricity provider giving me 260V rather than 230V?

[dire igloo]

And my breaker box doesn't catch that cuz it's too slow to react?

[twin dew]

Breakers don't have that kind of protection, they are current based.

[visual tree]

I once worked in an office building and they forgot to tell me to connect a computer PSU to an UPS since it was very old and very sensitive to voltage spikes. Guess what happened when I plugged the PSU directly into a wall outlet

Caused a blackout in the whole floor and fried PSU

It was actually a very old server PSU and we were moving to a new office

Office had elevators, HVAC and other things which probably means the voltage spike killed the PSU

[twin dew]

Yeah, starting and stopping AC motors also cause spikes.

Normally that is dealt with filters at the motors, but when cheaped on, they cause havoc with anything else.

[visual tree]

I was so terrified when I tripped the breaker for the whole floor. Everyone was mad at me because they forgot to save their work and I was like: "How was I supposed to know you are not allowed to plug PSU directly into a wall outlet, everyone does that!"

Turns out it was simply a very old server PSU and that's why I killled it. Modern ones wouldn't have that problem

[twin dew]

More likely had that MOV so damaged that it was on hair trigger, basically the trip voltage to conduction lowers with each dissipation pulse, and finally shorted that MOV.

And the PSU would have been fine after cutting that MOV out.

[dire igloo]

Ah.
I'm surprised I haven't had any issues with surges then

[visual tree]

Plot twist: the whole server was also damaged since PSU didn't protect it. Company had to pay for data recovery 😅

[twin dew]

Because those don't really happen that often with good western power grid.
And most electronics contain basic protections themselves.

[dire igloo]

Actually, I did have some related electricity issue at one point:
When I had my PC on the same power strip as the monitors and everything else of my setup, turning on the strip tripped the breaker.
Moving the PC to a separate outlet fixed it

[dire igloo]

So it's a mix of "better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it" and "you most likely won't ever need it"

[twin dew]

Yup.

But large part is protecting devices during thunderstorms etc.
Or when grid comes back up after blackout if device is still connected and so on.

[cyan crescent]

I wanna build my own nas with 4 HDDs. Whats a good sfx for that?

[night girder]

🤔

[verbal raft]

what thaaa

[dire igloo]

I don't understand

[verbal raft]

no one does except whoever created this

and maybe letterdaif but he's got me blocked for some reason so he wont respond

[soft bloom]

sometimes I think this channel would have a more fitting name of serpentarium

[night girder]

Exactly.

I think the developers want to say that UE4 medium settings are equal to UE5 low settings/medium settings.

[night girder]

Haha 🤣

$1,800+ for a fridge.

And you get ads. I love it. Haha, the greed of tech companies.

Now we need adblockers for fridges too. At that point, run pihole on network I guess.

The company describes the effort as a test of "promotions and curated advertisements" that it says are designed to enhance value for owners. "As part of our ongoing efforts to strengthen that value, we are conducting a pilot program to offer promotions and curated advertisements on certain Samsung Family Hub refrigerator models in the US market," a Samsung spokesperson said in a statement to Android Authority.

And ofcourse, the PR spins it so that it's an added value for the consumer 🙄

[mental oriole]

How about I don't need a smart fridge.

[dire igloo]

The only ad I want my fridge to give me is "you have X, Y and Z leftovers. here's a recipe for using them before they go bad"

And it's not an AI recipe but a chef curated recipe selection

[night girder]

Yeah, I took out my shovel and went outside to put all my food in the ground for now.

[pure karma]

If its cooking recipes with a toggle whatever i think thats cool

If its just google ads then it can go fuck itself

[night girder]

It would make sense if the ads are atleast food related.

[visual tree]

Didn't know a rocket parachute flare can be so deadly. A women recently died in a wedding because she got hit by a falling flare (or some idiot launched it and pointed it at the crowd)

Talking about this btw

[jagged snow]

Older Silverstone case but still looks nice when it's all buttoned up

[jagged snow]

5070 is best buy for a GPU under 600usd stm, right?

[twin dew]

Any flare is very hot while still burning.
And if launched at someone, fast.

[twin dew]

So most likely direct shot to the head.

[soft bloom]

It has to reach height quite fast while dealing with air drag

[dire igloo]

Unless you catch a 9070xt on discount

[soft bloom]

looks like gpu stopped resetting to default 'tuning'
and my profile for undecrlocking and fan stay applied for a looong time

[stiff temple]

My ssd bricked itself from the windows update

[twin dew]

Remove power from PSU for 30 seconds, start again?

[stiff temple]

Trying

It worked

Not sure how long it will last

[twin dew]

Until you trigger the bug in the SSD again with suitable transfer.

And the causes for some of the cases have been insufficient cooling for the SSD with broken throttle behavior in the firmware.
Or just old firmware.

So install the SSD makers support software and check for SSD firmware updates.

[stiff temple]

Is the skhynix pc711 hfs512gde9x73n affected and is there a fw update for it

[twin dew]

At least one SKHynix SSD controller is affected.

[stiff temple]

Which ones

[twin dew]

Both Dell and HP have firmware update utilities available for that SSD family.

So what machine do you have?

[stiff temple]

Victus 15

[twin dew]

So I can link you the right support page with the updater.

[twin dew]

That is branding, not model.

[stiff temple]

0121nr

Pretty sure all of the victus 15 with the fans on the left and cpu and gpu on the right come with a overheating problem

(With the battery disconnected it gets even worse and leads to thermal shutdown)

[twin dew]

That isn't right code?
Or at least not the complete code.

[stiff temple]

Fb0121nr

15-fb0121nr

[twin dew]

HP doesn't offer any updates for SKHynix SSDs for that model.
Only for WD or Samsung OEM models.
And as that is OEM model, SKHynix doesn't give direct updates either.

[stiff temple]

then im fucked?

[twin dew]

Contact HP support as first step.

[stiff temple]

pretty sure they wont help

[twin dew]

And tell you are hitting the current SSD bug where some models after suitable load soft-brick until full power cycle.

[stiff temple]

and what will they do with that

[twin dew]

How would I know?
See what happens and ask for firmware update for the SSD if possible?

But that is the only possible source for certainly valid SSD firmware for the drive.

There is Dell released firmware from 2021 for that drive family, but might not be right for HP version.

[stiff temple]

if thats the only source then im swap the ssd entirely

[twin dew]

SK Hynix PC711 SSD Firmware Version 4100.1131 from early january 2021, via Dell.

[stiff temple]

and when did the broken update issues start

[twin dew]

And you can check, if the "Drive Manager" on this page supports that SSD or not:
https://ssd.skhynix.com/download/

[languid gulch]

weapons specialists call that stuff "less-lethal" for a reason. can still definitely kill

even with how loose our weapons laws are here, in my state it's massively illegal to fire a weapon into the air

so much so that we helped develop the hardware & software that law enforcement uses to triangulate weapons fire

[visual tree]

Anyone could buy a flare in the past here but they recently made laws strict and you can't buy more dangerous firecrackers/fireworks if you are younger than 18 but then parents buy them for their kids in order to bypass restrictions...

With the exception regarding a signal flare. You can only buy it if you own a company doing fireworks or if you have a proof of owning a boat

Also, 40% of cities here gave up doing public fireworks display on new year in order to protect animals

We might even completely ban firecrackers/fireworks for citizens

[dire igloo]

I'd rather have a ban on citizen fireworks with one big organized firework display by the city (which can probably be substituted for a light/drone show)

[visual tree]

The thing with firecrackers and fireworks has gone too much imo and only companies doing public fireworks should be allowed to buy them

Not to mention lots of kids lost their hand or even a limb because firecrackers exploded in their hand

[dire igloo]

German regulations:
Category 1 - small stuff like little fountains or spinners. Legal all year round to people aged 12+
Category 2 - most New Year's fireworks, stuff like firecrackers, rockets, batteries, big fountains. Only legal to buy/sell three business days before New Year and only for age 18+
There are separate categories for stage pyrotechnics.

Professional pyrotechnicians can apply for a special license which allows them to buy Cat 2 fireworks all yea round as well as Cat 3 or higher.

Every piece of pyrotechnics sold in Germany has to have a test number by the federal agency for material safety (BAM-Nummer)

[dire igloo]

It's actually surprising how anti-fireworks I am given my username.
I guess it's another one of those examples for "once you learn more about it, you see how bad it actually is"

[visual tree]

I think there is a EU-wide category: F1, F2, F3 and maybe F4 (not sure)

[dire igloo]

Probably, I definitely saw those categorization in the past

But aside from sparklers, I haven't lit any fireworks in the last years

[visual tree]

"Category F1 refers to fireworks with a very low potential for harm (such as sparklers) and those used in enclosed areas, including outside of residential buildings;

Category F2 fireworks are low-risk devices meant for usage in a contained area outside of residential buildings;

Category F3 fireworks are meant to be used outside of residential buildings in a roomy open area and represent an average level of risk;

Category F4 fireworks are extremely dangerous and are only meant to be used by those with specialised understanding; they are restricted to professionals throughout the EU. "

I think we banned people under 18 from buying F2 and F3 (F4 is for professionals only)

[dire igloo]

idk what falls under F2 and F3

Does a simple rocket or a battery need a roomy open area?

Or are they low risk devices?

[visual tree]

Although I hate how both firecrackers and fireworks and sometimes stuffed under the same category. I've seen a lot of dangerous F2 and F3 firecrackers and trust me: they definitely aren't "low-risk" or "average-risk"

Firecrackers are even more dangerous than fireworks imo (stronger ones)

[dire igloo]

Cuz I can tell you: if that battery is light and not securely on the ground, it can tip over and fire sideway

[visual tree]

Rockets or batteries are supposed to be launched in an open area with some distance from the nearby buildings

[dire igloo]

Firecrackers that are legally sold in Germany range from "severe burns with minor tissue damage" to "will remove fingers"

[dire igloo]

So German cat 2 probably includes F2 and F3

[visual tree]

Same here, some of them literally sound like a military grenade

[dire igloo]

I miss my cat 1 bombette tubes.

Shoots a white glowing orb into the sky that makes a bang after a few seconds

[visual tree]

Also, when I used a fireworks battery once, I sprayed it with water after being done in order to prevent accidental fire but people rarely do that

[dire igloo]

Plus these we call them Knallerbsen (bang peas) which are just a few small pebbles and a bit of silver fulminate wrapped in a paper bag

Which are cat 1

[visual tree]

I know what you mean, we call it "Devil's bang" 😄

[dire igloo]

I count the shots and if they all fired, I leave it be for a few minutes to cool off

[dire igloo]

I want coppernitrotetrazole to follow the naming system of other Nitrotetrazoles

Silver Nitrotetrazole: AgNTZ
Gold Nitrotetrazole: AuNTZ
Copper Nitrotetrazole: DBX-1

COMMIT TO THE FUCKING NAME!!!

[twin dew]

Last is commercial branding for product using that compound.

[visual tree]

Here is a video of a fireworks battery I launched a long time ago:

[dire igloo]

I know, but it became the common shorthand for that compound - unlike AuNTZ

[visual tree]

This is probably the largest battery a civlian can buy: 484 shots in 2:40 minutes and costs €475

And the battery is called "Sodomah and Gomorrah" 😂

[dire igloo]

What shots tho?
Cuz many "hurr durr bigger number better" high shit count batteries just shoot a bunch of white lighted screechers with no effect other than annoyance

[visual tree]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSYgst782u8

[dire igloo]

Okay, damn, there's more than just screeching

I've seen some that continued what this one did at the beginning

But I guess for 400+€ you'd wanna see some bang for your buck, literally

419.95€ in Germany btw, sold under a different brand but seems to be identical
shop.roeder-feuerwerk.de/rubro-event-sodom-and-gomorrah.html

[visual tree]

This one has the same number of shots but I think the long box I posted is probably modified

It has the screeching rockets but there are different rockets later as far as I can tell

[thin trout]

at €2400 you get a lot of bang for your buck

[dire igloo]

Wha

[thin trout]

🔥

1️⃣ 2️⃣ 🇻 🇭 🇵 🇼 🇷

[maiden coyote]

as an american.. I don't personally care for them either.. the kids love them... whatever.. the only ones I actually enjoyed were sparklers... for reasons

[soft bloom]

You stop loving fireworks once explosions are associated with danger

[verbal raft]

https://tenor.com/view/12vhpwr-burning-gpu-connector-4090-melting-5090-melting-gif-5389376741907012594

[tribal kraken]

Its a nice connector, just fully plug it in and enjoy high fps?

[dire igloo]

You also stop loving fireworks once you see your beloved pet shiver in fear during New Year's fireworks

[soft bloom]

maybe there's demon inside of it?

[dire igloo]

Then the fireworks aren't working in scaring off the demons

[soft bloom]

no, they do?.. causing shiver

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQTGp7rk33M
Scientists Explain the Origin of Mysterious Siberian Holes

based on paper:
sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0048969725016821?via%3Dihub

This study critically reviews the existing models and concludes that focused deep heat and gas from below the permafrost may be the key factor allowing the formation of GECs, while atmospheric heating indirectly triggers their formation by accelerating cryogenic process rates and the formation of new lakes and rivers.
focused deep heat

while it doesn't explain why there's focused deep heat, there are interesting references

[dire igloo]

They are scaring the demons, but they're not scaring them off.
They're obviously still there, otherwise the pets wouldn't be shivering constantly

[pure karma]

Bombs away

[night girder]

sigh ...

Python round 4.5 down. Typescript rounds it up.

And then we sprinkle some magic over it and voila.

[twin dew]

For some reason Python 3 changed rounding from normal rounding to bankers rounding for that round() function.

The round() function rounding strategy and return type have changed. Exact halfway cases are now rounded to the nearest even result instead of away from zero. (For example, round(2.5) now returns 2 rather than 3.) round(x[, n]) now delegates to x.round([n]) instead of always returning a float. It generally returns an integer when called with a single argument and a value of the same type as x when called with two arguments.

And for some reason they don't provide any built-in way to do it the classic way.

But seems to be the spec for IEEE 754

Basically attempt to remove the bias from rounding.

And in turn Javascript doesn't seem to have that gaussian/bankers rounding as easy option either.

[twin dew]

Ah, no, IEEE 754 had both that and the classic away from zero rounding, and then three direct rounding modes, (truncate, floor, ceiling).

So Python using that gaussian by default without any option to change is just weird.

[night girder]

Saw a little comment of floats in the round() documentation.

number 1: down.
number 2: down.
number 3: up.

number 1: down.
number 2: up. (would expect to go down here)
number 3: up.

Makes sense.

Note

The behavior of round() for floats can be surprising: for example, round(2.675, 2) gives 2.67 instead of the expected 2.68. This is not a bug: it’s a result of the fact that most decimal fractions can’t be represented exactly as a float. See Floating Point Arithmetic: Issues and Limitations for more information.

print(round(2.4)) # DOWN
print(round(2.5)) # DOWN
print(round(2.6)) # UP

print(round(2.474, 2)) # DOWN
print(round(2.475, 2)) # UP
print(round(2.476, 2)) # UP

print(round(2.674, 2)) # DOWN
print(round(2.675, 2)) # DOWN
print(round(2.676, 2)) # UP

[twin dew]

I did say the exact rule:
Towards even.

So 2.5 is towards 2, 3.5 is towards 4.
etc.

So not precision issue, but using gaussian rounding with "midpoints towards even" rule.

[twin dew]

.

That was from Python changelog.

[visual tree]

My coworker just witnessed the horror of AI assistant first-hand

He is not receiving paypal 2FA sms code and can't login. Asked AI about it and the AI said he needs to disable 2FA

Then he got angry and asked how is he supoosed to disable it if he can't login. AI response: You need to disable 2FA 🤣

Told him he should use authenticator app next time

[pure karma]

microsoft just outright stopped sending me confirmation emails

idk if its ai related or not but its still ironic for such a big company

[visual tree]

Paypal AI assistant is one of the dumbest AI assistants out there lol

Also told my coworker he should have backup codes but he lost them 😓

[night girder]

print(round(2.675, 2)) # DOWN shouldn't this be up then?

2.68 ... I think python documentation is right and it has to do with Floating Point Arithmetic

[twin dew]

No, as it is between 75 to 7 or 8.

So 8 is even, so towards that.

Ah, sorry...

So it was 2.68 after the rounding? So what I said...

[night girder]

wait.

[twin dew]

Python is now using "Rounding half to even", instead of most commonly used "Rounding half away from zero":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rounding#Rounding_half_to_even

For IEEE 754: That first listed, instead of the more common second listed:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_754#Rounding_rules

[night girder]

2.675 gets rounded to 2.67 (not as you said!)

2.475 gets rounded to 2.48!

[twin dew]

Ok, then there are in addition floating point errors in play.

[twin dew]

But the base is that rounding half to even, as the changelog says.
But then the implementation has errors because of floating point.

[night girder]

So I would expect both to be either 2.48 and 2.68.

or 2.47 and 2.57.

[twin dew]

So this specific spot seems to be floating point error sourced difference from the rule.
As it isn't actually stored as 2.675, but tiny bit below.

[twin dew]

Yeah, 2.675 is stored as 2.6749999523162841796875 (0b01000000001010110011001100110011)

But 2.475 is stored as 2.474999904632568359375 ... so doesn't explain that difference.

For IEEE 754 FP32.

[visual tree]

This isn't funny anymore 😭

[safe trench]

im just waiting to see if theres a spherically challenged american to say "this is why we use cars!1!"

[visual tree]

They are doing train track reconstruction so there are delays

The problem is that the reconstruction has been in progress for 10 years and it's not finished....

[unreal cave]

Anyone know a good CPU pair for 4070 once its time to upgrade? Lower budget range.

[pure karma]

you asked 4 days ago and literally ignored everyone

⬆️

[unreal cave]

Alright listen Im stupid okay

[safe trench]

at least hes smart enough to understand that

[unreal cave]

😭

[pure karma]

either way if i recall you were asked esentially the usual

stuff like what cpu do you have already

[dire igloo]

And why you wanna upgrade

[pure karma]

what platform are you on

and yea why do you want/need a cpu upgrade

[dire igloo]

Which would be partly answered by the question of what CPU they already own

Can't be using a 5600 without being on the am4 platform

[safe trench]

because its only a 9800x3d and not a 9950x3d

[visual tree]

I will probably get RX 9070 XT, Ryzen 9700X, Asus TUF B650 Plus mbo and corsair 2x16 GB DDR5 (6000 MHz) next year or maybe something else if new gpu or cpu is released by then

Had no negative experience with Asus motherboards so far

[dire igloo]

Which wouldn't be enough of a reason. It's missing the "bigger number better" logic

[dire igloo]

Why TUF board, Corsair ram and 9700x?
And why plan this far ahead anyway?

[safe trench]

the 19950x4d is better then

[dire igloo]

I've had no positive experience with Asus motherboards so far

[safe trench]

just shut up and buy the ryzen 5020

truimphs any gpu in fps per dollar

[dire igloo]

Except the free ones

[safe trench]

ryzen 4070 is so last gen

were all on the ryzen 5070

[night girder]

model, don't brandshame.

[visual tree]

Maybe I'll consider 7800x3D

[night girder]

ASUS TUF Gaming B650-PLUS has good reviews.

[visual tree]

Went with TUF board because I own one from a previous series and don't have issues

[night girder]

I probably ogoing to buy it.

bit pricey.

[visual tree]

Might have messed up with Corsair because I don't have much experience with RAM in general

For my setup, more than 6000 MHz would be overkill imo

[night girder]

Goldensoldier recommended my some ram sticks.

Pretty happy with them. Never heard of the brand.

Patriot Memory Viper Venom Cl36 6000 2X16GB

would have never bought them on my own without someone telling it's leggit.

[visual tree]

Patriot has been on a RAM market for some time I think (heard of them before)

[night girder]

before that, I also had corsairs.

[night girder]

Well, you didn't buy em either (Since you said you went for Corsair)

[visual tree]

Won't be buying RGB RAM next time though. Don't want to pick the LTT way

[bronze jasper]

RGB makes it go faster though

[night girder]

That's why I want the Asus TUF motherboard, it has no RGB.

And is more expensive than current motherboard, with RGB

[twin dew]

At least with Asus, you can disable that all in BIOS with single toggle.

[night girder]

I can too with Assrock. It's (BIOS, no software) in control of my RGB.

[visual tree]

I had to set RGB to automatically turn off when the PC is not on since RGB messes up with my sleep

Looks pretty when you are not using a PC but terrible at night

[night girder]

Put blanket over case during night.

or curtains, to close windows 🤣

[visual tree]

That's a non-tech option

[safe trench]

we should remove all evs and just put the exhaust pipe back into the engine intake

[twin dew]

Known as EGR (Exhaust Gas Recirculation), that current cars etc. do as part of emission control.

[dire igloo]

By who?
Professional third party reviewers?
Or customers who could be utterly clueless?

[visual tree]

We have a popular racer here and the first thing he checks when reviewing a car if it has a fake exhaust since he hates fake exhaust

[dire igloo]

TT Smart PSUs have 4+ star Amazon reviews too

[safe trench]

just remove the exhaust port if thats the case

[night girder]

I heard some rumors, from car mechanics, that EV is not going to last.

Either whishfull thinking. Or they know more than we do. It had to do with producing the batteries for the EV's and the mines for minerals for the batteries are running dry.
So they think, EV demand will be higher than mines can produces minerals for the batteries, for the EV.

[night girder]

both.

[dire igloo]

What's the LTT way?

[visual tree]

Linus tech tips

[safe trench]

if it works it works

[night girder]

xD

[safe trench]

Linus Teth Tipth*

[twin dew]

Probably selecting by looks?

[dire igloo]

ASRock B650M-HDV/m.2
Not just no RGB, but also no RGB headers.
So even if there was an RGB part elsewhere in your build, you couldn't use it

[night girder]

Yes.

[visual tree]

Linus is the reason we have RGB chairs now

[night girder]

probably a way to bypass that if needed.

[safe trench]

them existing is a tragic event anyways

[dire igloo]

I know who LTT is, but how do they pick their parts?
Which sponsor pays them the most?

[night girder]

I think the room RGB was a step too far for me. The lamps you could buy for RGB. I think it was triangles etc.

[safe trench]

probably dbrand with what they do

they have to be getting top dollar for that

also known as "mybossisveryshort.com" "shortlinus.com" "betterlttstore.com"

[visual tree]

He advertises Nord VPN like crazy

[dire igloo]

For anything am5, going above 6000 would cause your system to be unstable or perform worse than 6000 - until you get to like the 7200/7600 mark

Do note however, that Patriot include a 6000 MT/s fallback xmp profile on their 6400 MT/s RAM

[safe trench]

i have not seen a single nord vpn ad on wanshow

[dire igloo]

Nanoleaf

[night girder]

btw, if you buy the ASUS TUF Gaming B650-PLUS WIFI you get RGB headers.

[twin dew]

Nah, above 6000 can work, just has lower probability because of silicon lottery, but need to set UCLK:MCLK to 1:1, because it defaults to 1:2 for above 6000.

[visual tree]

Maybe I have mistaken it for some other sponsor

[dire igloo]

Booooring

[night girder]

non wifi is € 148,99 on Amazon.com.be and ASUS TUF Gaming B650-PLUS WIFI is € 162,90 onAmazon.com.be

[safe trench]

proton by chance?

[dire igloo]

Okay, not guaranteed unstable, but probable unstable

[night girder]

So for 14 euro's you get wifi and RGB headers on same board 🤷‍♂️

[visual tree]

No, can't remember right now but it wasn't Proton

[dire igloo]

What about AssCock B850 Pro-A?

[twin dew]

6200 used to be about 90% of CPUs, 6400 about 50% of CPUs, 6600MT/s used to be very low percentage.

[night girder]

I don't want asscock anymore. Don't want to replace one ass with another ass.

[safe trench]

private internet access?

[twin dew]

Before the various improvements to memory training in newer AGESA versions.

[safe trench]

i seen them on wanshow fairly recently

[night girder]

and like you said, you __never __had good experiences with Asus.

I __only __had good experiences with Asus.

[dire igloo]

You get a shitty wifi module tho
ASRock just has an m.2 E-key on their boards so you can either replace the included wifi module or add your own one to a non-wifi board

[night girder]

Yeah, my main issue with both models. I don't want WIFI. I could use RGB headers

[dire igloo]

Why you considering Ass-sus then?

[dire igloo]

They still a thing?

[twin dew]

Asus has standard M.2 E-keys too, just inside extra shell in some of the boards.

[dire igloo]

Thought they went bust or smth

[visual tree]

It's on the top of my tongue but I can't remember 😭

[safe trench]

yes? they have been doing a bunch of sponsors lately

[night girder]

Because like I said, reviews are 👍

[dire igloo]

HDV is the exception in that it doesn't have RGB headeds

[safe trench]

i think if you start listening to 67 mango phonk it will come off because it is so fucking ass

[twin dew]

On some boards they are bare, on some they are those "WiFi Go" modules, but those are actually just shells for standard M.2 E-key.

Makes for better WiFi reception, from the extra shielding of that shell, from the computer case internal EMI, and much shorter antenna cables.

[dire igloo]

It's fine, just rarely worth its moeny

[night girder]

Somehow I know ...

The other ones recommended are:

• ASRock A620M-HDV/M.2+
• ASRock B650M-HDV/M.2

... the rest are all above 200-400 euro.

So relatively, it's not a expensive board 🤣

[pure karma]

the bios's which gets banged together with no testing or fucks given

is enough not to get them alone

same for asrock

[twin dew]

Never had that experience with lot of different Asus MBs...

[pure karma]

dosent asus have an ongoing priority issue with every single laptop bios they have released since 2021

[visual tree]

Same here, no issue with BIOS so far

[pure karma]

and the oc presets are pushed too far aswell not that you should use them

[twin dew]

Which is the same thing with any auto-OC?
Because they all do insufficient testing?

[dire igloo]

Who's making those recommendations?
A620 is quite a barebones chipset

And why is it 600 series only?

[visual tree]

Compared to asus PC hardware I had no issues, I generally don't like their laptops

Had issues with their hinge design which disables webcam on 2 last laptops

[dire igloo]

Not a single Asus component has ever worked inside my PC.

And the only peripheral I ever had from them (ROG Chakram) is a piece of shit

They can seriously go fuck themselves for tricking me into installing their Armoury Crate malware

[visual tree]

Oh, I removed that crap a long time ago

My experience with asus so far: GPU: good, MBO: good, Monitor: Good, Laptop: bad

Their hinge design on laptops really suck

Also have some cheap asus keyboard but I got it for free as a replacement for another broken electronics so I can't complain.

[safe trench]

better than Hinge Problem™ probably

i can confirm some wooden sticks with hotglue probably make better hinges than my hp hinges

[visual tree]

Hinge problem is basically the result of their poor design. I own 2 asus laptops and can't use webcam because the hinge is probably pressing on the cable somewhere

[safe trench]

laptop webcams suck mostly anyways

its also probably better for privacy for it not to work

[visual tree]

Have a webcam cover on my work laptop and almost never open it

[safe trench]

then why even care

just feel proud about it more than anything then

you have a blessing

[visual tree]

Home laptop is another thing though

[bronze jasper]

the hinge problem is so prevailent in laptops. even good brands have it. and none of them have support for them. warranty be like "not our problem" in every case i've seen

[visual tree]

Don't want my employer spying on me through webcam

[bronze jasper]

i only buy cheap laptops and do everything on desktops as a result. steam deck is the first portable gaming pc i've bought in a lnog while

[safe trench]

oh you have far more problems than that

[visual tree]

Like the Xiaomi PTZ camera so I can monitor my nephew's crib. Hope CCP isn't interested into spying on my nephew

[night girder]

just the roll of the dice I guess, there are others.

[visual tree]

Although Google and other companies aren't any different when it comes to spying

[safe trench]

its just the same pile of spyware

[dire igloo]

Now that you mentioned it, might actually be a Chad Jepity list

[night girder]

No, it isn't afaik.

It's Tomas Hochstenbach.

but maybe if people use same test methodology, they have same conclusions.

Seems like Tomas did his best.

[twin dew]

Seems like at least some of that is just reflections on the MB, and he didn't lock the heat to color scale, and none of those temperatures are dangerous yet.

By just looking at the highest temp in each subpics scale.

[night girder]

Who said anything about dangerous temperatures.

Just showing a part of the effort they go through for their reviews.
But it's never good enough for people in here unless it's a review they like and post themselves in here

[twin dew]

Main points were possible reflections in the image, causing temperature to be measured as higher than it really was.
And second main point was not locking the scale, so comparing pictures of different MBs is very hard.
Third point was just general note, as I didn't know about the point of that image.

And that in some pics the backplate is cold and in some very hot is just weird.

Ah, different sockets.

[jagged snow]

btw y'all, just tried a new cooler for the first time & I was very impressed

Scythe mugen 6, was very happy w/ it

[night girder]

VRM temperatures.

[jagged snow]

As long as you get it on sale for <40usd I'd pick that over competing options

I know it's been around for a while, but this was my first hands-on experience with it

Very happy

[twin dew]

And in most of those pics, the max temp is near edge of the CPU backplate., or even in the backplate center hole.
And nowhere near the VRM, which is why I expect there are reflections from some external light or like, messing the results completely up.

Because in many of the pics with specific socket, random capacitors are the hottest objects.

So it seems they might be aiming a studio light at the MB, and using the same setup for both visual range images, and the thermal images, and that studio light is messing the thermal images up with reflections.

Just as theory.

[night girder]

What makes you happy about it? Quiet? Good cooling results? Quality (which is too soon) and price? Or cool looking 😄

[jagged snow]

Incredibly quiet for the cooling performance on a single-tower cooler at that price

Seemed well made

Uses a less dense fin stack with much more depth than a lot of other coolers

So you get more airflow at the same fan rpm, but slightly less cooling per volume of air moved

[twin dew]

Mainly the point is that using thermal cameras correctly is suprisingly hard, and most people don't even know there is anything to take into account, and not just point and click.

[night girder]

Yeah, but these guys should know what they are doing.
They still humans, so they can make mistakes. But there is peer reviews in place for that too.
People can make topics about reviews and start a discussion with the journalist/reviewer themselves.
Pretty open source way of writing reviews.

[jagged snow]

Entire build is almost inaudibly quiet under load and entirely air cooled

Whereas my current pc is actually loud enough to be bothersome even at idle

[night girder]

Mine isn't quiet under load. But I have headset on, so personally it doesn't bother me.
It keeps my CPU cool so 👍

[jagged snow]

I have headset one that has better passive noice cancelling than any other pair I've owned and the fans are still audible while listening to music

[night girder]

Damn.

[jagged snow]

Yep

It's rough

I'm pretty sure it's my case fans

[night girder]

Well, I got 3 massive fans on my 6950XT making noise also lol.

[jagged snow]

Lol

[night girder]

I mean, not massive, but still, if you look at how big the card is you know how much the fans need to cover.

[jagged snow]

My 9007xt has three fans but I do know it's dead silent at everything <300w of cooling load

[night girder]

I could disable all fans besides GPU to hear, but I rather not

[jagged snow]

What do y'all reccomend for thermal paste currently?

I've always gone with hydronaut, but I ran out of my most recent tube

[jagged snow]

You inspired me to check, yeah it's my case fans

I think the bios control on this mobo is wonky...

Seems like it was really not running hte case fans at the percentage that I'd want

[night girder]

How did you come to that conclussion?

[jagged snow]

Set up fan control with the same curve set and behavior was very different

I think it's just because the bios fan control curves are bad

But either way, I'll just roll with fan control

[night girder]

brand motherboard?

[jagged snow]

gigabyte

[night girder]

Ah, no experience with gigabyte. But I also had bad experiences (asus) with settings curves in BIOS. A bit of a wonky way to do it in my opinion.

[jagged snow]

Yeah
I just prefer to not need software running in the background.

Btw, other news to report. Installed bazzite and got it set up, very pleased so far.

[night girder]

I also prefer to handle stuff as close to hardware as possible. BIOS being in theory, closer than software going through API's etc.

[jagged snow]

Yep

[night girder]

Give us an update in a year or two 😉

[jagged snow]

Lol will do

Why do you say that though?

Had some minor system stability issues, but I think it was actually memory issues @ expo 6000MT/s

[night girder]

Because, the longer you use, the better of an opinion you will have on user experience, different games, different updates, performance etc.

[jagged snow]

Gotcha 😄

yeah, from testing there was only one game in the entire library that didn't work as expected immediately, and I just had to change some steam controller settings for that

So from that perspective, it's good at least

[night girder]

Do you play many non steam games?

[jagged snow]

I own several through gog and epic

Lutris is a fantastic solution for those

[night girder]

And any games without a launcher, mmorpg's?

[jagged snow]

Games without a launcher, yes

For those, the easiest solution was just to add them to steam and then tell steam to launch them with the linux runtime and proton

[night girder]

It's the one and only thing holding me back. Fear of having issues with a game I like and thus cannot play.

[jagged snow]

From what I saw, protondb seems to be overly conservative with their ratings

So as long as they don't say it specifically doesn't work, you're likely good

[night girder]

Yeah, I know of it. Still, the fact it's there means where we come from 😄

[jagged snow]

For sure

[night girder]

What I mean, afaik, there isn't a website that keeps track for that for windows because ... monopoly more or less 😛 To be precise to everyone.

[jagged snow]

This pc isn't going to be my daily, after I got it all set up I gave it away

But it went to a close family member, so I'll be able to keep touch on the user experience

For myself I probably wouldn't use bazzite if I were to switch my daily to linux since I use other distros a lot already

But that doesn't really affect much other than making it a little less dummy-proof

[night girder]

Ah, I understand

[jagged snow]

For all my headless machines I run debian

And until now I've run ubuntu on my laptop

The only software I use that isn't compatible with linux is adobe lightroom

[night girder]

I just did a quick little test, and grab the first 10 game shortcuts from my desktop, they all hit gold/platinum on protondb.

[jagged snow]

Nice

This was my first real time using steam big picture though, I"m very impressed with that

[night girder]

Actually, can't find any game I have installed that is not that.

[jagged snow]

Nice!

You'd likely be absolutely fine then

[night girder]

Maybe I only play mainstream games 🤣

But good for me! In theory, they should work out of the box?

[jagged snow]

That's my experience

[night girder]

I give it some though. Last thing I need to do right now, is changing anything OS related untill I got system stable. If ever.

[jagged snow]

The only thing that really causes issues is anticheat that specifically blocks proton/linux like valorant

[jagged snow]

indeed

[night girder]

Not that I think it will add instability. But it will not help my cause either 😄

But I am pretty much done with Windows/Microsoft. As many in here I think.

[night girder]

Oh good point.

[jagged snow]

Absolutely

[night girder]

Opinion; if AC is that intrusive, I am good without it and the game.

[jagged snow]

I generally agree

My favorite fps(the finals) just switched to denuvo anticheat(but not drm)

And thankfully it's still alright, but I really don't like that company

[night girder]

the company behind denuvo or the finals?

[jagged snow]

Denuvo

Embark is the studio behind the finals, they're decently cool

[night girder]

Plenty of games have it.

[jagged snow]

I'm excited for their next game as well

[jagged snow]

Yep
and I appreciate that they're not running the drm package, as that's quite invasive compared to even the anticheat

[night girder]

Ok, less than I though: https://store.steampowered.com/curator/26095454-Denuvo-Watch/ but I see some big names in there. Like Borderlands 4.

[jagged snow]

native linux ports are also just becoming more popular

[jagged snow]

(BG3 just got one)

[night girder]

I wonder what triggered this change.

[jagged snow]

Which?

[night girder]

Is it game companies wanting their games to be compatible with Linux even if the OS is a small % of the market.
Or is it because more people have Linux?

[jagged snow]

Honestly, I think it's steam deck

[night girder]

Oh right!

[jagged snow]

The bg3 port was not even compatible with normal linux desktops at first, it was meant to be entirely specific to the deck

[night girder]

Totally forgot about that.

Hooray to steam deck?

[jagged snow]

Indeed

Without the deck, we wouldn't have proton

We wouldn't have dxvk

And the whole environment would be way worse

[night girder]

would be so cool if steam deck was able to make linux mainstream for gaming 🤣

[jagged snow]

It's getting a lot closer

The steam deck definitely broke out of "niche product" catergory

I'm not sure if it was quite mainstream yet though

[night girder]

still impressed that steam even pulled it off. Getting a handheld with already a bit of popular competition with more experience

[jagged snow]

Yep

And that handheld also being the first pc handheld to run linux

And also the first pc handheld w/ an oled iirc?
GPD might have beat them to that

[pure karma]

the default are ehhh but if you change it to manual curves it works fine mostly unless your fans use some wako power or smt

[jagged snow]

Well I did change to manual

Also are you just assuming you know what mobo & bios version I have?

[pure karma]

no but fan control is fan control and its almost always the same or has the same core

[jagged snow]

eh

[night girder]

Asus was like this.

[pure karma]

so is gigabytes for the most part

[night girder]

Maybe they updated it. But since then. I never looked at fan curves and just went YOLO and trust defaults.

[pure karma]

although that curve is a instant hardware kill on my aio

[night girder]

and I monitor my temperatures and saw it was good.

[pure karma]

huge no no, if my fans go over 90% they destabilize and shit hits the fan quick so having such a aggressive curve would be instant failure prettymuch

[night girder]

I grabbed picture of the internet 😉

So take it with a grain of salt?

[pure karma]

still shows asus dosent think before doing

not every fan can handle 100% speed

let me find my bios level curve before i keep trying to remember what it was

[night girder]

I think 70< fans 100% trying to cool below 70 and then back to less aggressive curve.
The ramp up does look a bit scary. going from 50% at what seems 50-60 degree to 100% at 70 degrees.

[jagged snow]

My chip is running hotter than I'd like, for now I'm blaming the crappy thermal paste I had to use

But I'm seeing ~70 degrees at 70w on the cpu

Which is warmer than I'd like on an x3d chip

[night girder]

under load?

[jagged snow]

Yep

[pure karma]

Thats kinda normal for intel to be fair

[jagged snow]

x3d tjmax is 85c though, so it's already downclocking by then

[thin trout]

which sku

[jagged snow]

7800

[pure karma]

Heres what i run for an aio curve

[jagged snow]

It's not that I'm worried about hurting the chip, hotspot doesn't break 80c

But I am leaving a bit of performance on the table

[thin trout]

they're a lot hotter at the same wattage than zen5 x3d, and also have lower tjmax and much lower voltage limit

[jagged snow]

Yep

[thin trout]

70c@70w, it depends how the CPU is loaded. If that's an nT workload, it's not good. If it's 1 core, you can see above 70c with like 30 watts PPT.

[jagged snow]

7800x3d was really an incremental increase over the 58x3d

[thin trout]

i would still say it was quite big 😄

4450 > 5250mhz, double digit % ipc gain too

[jagged snow]

Even running p95 small ffts the numbers are around there

[thin trout]

I don't remember exactly what i had on my zen4 x3d, but better than that for sure

using arctic liquid freezer II / III

[jagged snow]

I'm on air

And like I said, with known crappy thermal paste

[thin trout]

i gained 100mhz on precision boost going from nh-d15 to offset liquid freezer II

[jagged snow]

Which could be making up to a 5c difference

Compared to something like mx6 or kryonaut

[thin trout]

yeah, i am hearing rumors of ptm7950 being significantly better than those too, but i am not really sure. Need more in depth testing

i guess your air cooler isn't one with offset mount? That's a free 5c, since the overwhelming majority of heat generation and the hot spots are in the bottom third of the cpu

[night girder]

meanwhile me gaming on 25W 🤣

Wanted to see what my temperature is compared to you, but it's irrelevant if not same load on it.

[jagged snow]

Yeah, my gaming heat output is usually more like 50-60w

70w is the highest I've ever seen it sustained

[night girder]

Damn, and I am playing a MMORPG.

[jagged snow]

Let's see

I can load up a decently sized satis save for something representative

[pure karma]

mine is irrelevant since its probably tripple or more lol

[night girder]

the hell?

[pure karma]

i idle at 40-70W

[night girder]

I am not sad that my power draw is low 😄

[thin trout]

zen5 x3d (2ccd enabled, only vcache ccd loaded) on liquid freezer III for reference

[pure karma]

thats good but still a hearing a desktop chip only draw 25W is disapointing lol

[jagged snow]

Not dissapointing if it's effecient

[pure karma]

yea but if it cant heat itself to its stable point then being unstable and underperforming in the 40c's all the time isent very usefull

[night girder]

it sits saround 57C

[thin trout]

"heat itself to its stable point" ?

[pure karma]

i know both my intel cpus loose performance at sub 50C

[thin trout]

I've had RAM that performed better at 25c than at 15c, but never reached a point where anything else was too cold

[pure karma]

and i remember my 1660 super would only performe at its full between 75-82C

[thin trout]

all consumer cpu's and gpu's since i got into tech have performed best subzero, usually at like -150c, but there are quirks where they sometimes e.g. won't boot while that cold.

[jagged snow]

Yep

I can give you the scientific explanation for that if you'd like, magic

[thin trout]

The other thing i've heard it on is SSD controllers or flash, i forgot which, that don't like to be down at 20c

[jagged snow]

Flash performs best when warm

[pure karma]

yea cause its making enough heat to stay running

[jagged snow]

What?

This is not a car engine 💀

[pure karma]

well thats sure how everything iv owned has behaved

i remember i literally had to let my 1660 super heat up before i could use my or else it would be unbearably sluggish at like 25C/roomtemps until the heatsink and die warmed up

[jagged snow]

Yeah that's complete bs

That makes absolutely no sense

[pure karma]

then explain the science behind why temperature would have no affect on electronics mr science man

[jagged snow]

I didn't say temperature didn't have any effect

[pure karma]

you said inderectly that its bs that temperature has an affect at those levels so explain...

[jagged snow]

However, the effect of temperature on a semiconductor is

1. Reduce lifespan and possibly cause damage when high enough
2. Decrease stability as resistance goes up, voltage drop increases, and the voltage at gates is also lowered.

#2 means that a higher voltage is required for operation at a higher temperature and also that gate switching times can increase, limiting clock speeds. Higher voltage leads to more heat generation.

[pure karma]

that doesn't explain cold, only effects of overheating

[jagged snow]

How so?

The inverse of #2 is true as temperature decreases

Btw @night girder in my satis save with cpu at 58w average draw, hotspot is at 69c

[night girder]

maybe give CPU bit time to cooldown before checking.

[jagged snow]

Hm?

[night girder]

If it's comming from 70W to 60W might need some time to cooldown

not sure how quick these things actually can cool down 🤔

[jagged snow]

Oh no, it's been sitting in the same spot in my save without being touched for 10+ minutes

[pure karma]

im checking mine because now you have me curios

im not starting up the train tho so your getting a biased test

but yea i do have to agree 79C even for a hotpsot isent great at that power draw

[jagged snow]

After heatsoaking, here are the average numbers

Columns are current, minimum, maximum, average for anyone that doesn't use hwinfo regularly

[night girder]

now I am curious to see how much a repaste does.

[jagged snow]

Me too

I'd hope quite a lot

I knew going in that this paste was bad, it was just all I had on hand

My other tube was empty and I didn't realize

[night girder]

I don't think paste can make a major difference. But eh what do I know 🤣

if it drops more than 10C I will be a bit surprised

[jagged snow]

I doubt it will

I'd expect more like 5c

[night girder]

for different paste?

[jagged snow]

Yep

[night girder]

or bad paste vs good paste job? 🤣

[jagged snow]

Different paste

I do think I did a good paste job, but like I said earlier this is known bad thermal paste

[night girder]

If it's not up to your satisfaction, after repasting it, you could look into the fans to set it up more aggressive.

[jagged snow]

Already done lol

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[jagged snow]

The temps above were with the fans at ~1900rpm

Which is about as loud as I want them to be

(These ones top out at around 2250rpm)

They're really quiet until around 1800 and then they start to scream by the time you hit 2k

[thin trout]

2250 is a lot yeah 😄

[jagged snow]

Indeed

The fans on my gpu report over 4k at 100% pwm

That sounds about how you'd expect

[thin trout]

I've 6x140 running push/pull on cpu rad now, at 1450 rpm. Quite happy with that noise level (they can do sub 1000 but i'd rather drop a few C than be silent)

[jagged snow]

Oh nice

My builds are usually way too budget constrained for any sort of water cooling

[pure karma]

after like 8 minutes of soak heres what i got

57C at 112W average

[thin trout]

The intro deals for the liquid freezer III's for 6 months were actually insane

[night girder]

I always think; do I need it?

[jagged snow]

Rarely

[pure karma]

full watercooling is practically nerver really

[jagged snow]

There are some things you really can't cool quietly without it

[pure karma]

and aio is like way over 100W kinda thing

[jagged snow]

Unless you have some insane need like 4x 4090 in a desktop form factor

[pure karma]

yea or you put them on risers so they can breath lol

the only advantage i could see to watercooling is if you go the way of having a big enough water volume you nerver need active cooling

for total silence outside of maybe a pump

[thin trout]

Lower temps give better boosts, on my 5900x i got 100mhz more from lfII AIO than from nh-d15, and that was there even in single core with <30w.

and then they released the LF III for under the price of the nh-d15 with even more performance

they kinda have a price floor of like £50 though. Peerless assassin 120 is £29.

[jagged snow]

Y'all see that EA was just bought out? Saudi public investment fund was involved.

[night girder]

yeah and someone else. Political related.

[bold tapir]

Off-topic-tech irl

[night girder]

Reading MX4 reviews:

Translation: needs account to install plugins. 🤔

This is the new MX Master 4

Oh nice, they moved the screws from underneath the pads to be accessible. My old one died, my thumb button got stuck, the big one you see at the side.
I didn't want to remove the mousepads, because you have to either get em back on or buy new ones, so I never got to open the mouse and repair it.

In theory, this should be possible for the MX Master 4. Although it's still 130 euro's for a mouse.

[dire igloo]

Always wanted to try Keychron M6 as an MX Master alternative.
And M7 to see if it gives me that shape feel I miss from my G502

[night girder]

https://github.com/sammyuri/craftgpt

MCHPRS is essential for running CraftGPT within a reasonable amount of time. It's built using vanilla redstone mechanics, and should work in vanilla, but it could take upwards of 10 years to generate a response __without __increasing the tick rate. So if you don't have that long to wait, follow the instructions to install MCHPRS first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaeI9YgE1o8

@mental oriole Up for a challenge? 😄

Also I have to agree with this article. The lack of communication/transparancy is frustrating.

I check bios update every x days now, saw there is 3.50. Wanted to know what it does. 🤷‍♂️
Shit out of luck.

[mental oriole]

Nah am good.

[night girder]

Booh. Only takes 439 million redstone.

[mental oriole]

Bruh

[sharp matrix]

lets do it

[thin trout]

I believe that they don't know what they have done to cause the failures

but they have clearly done something which is common across many boards

it may be voltage regulation related

this whole thing reminds me of the asrock z77 extreme4 - a motherboard that was briefly famed for its "really good overclocking headroom" until the community realised that when you set 1.3vcore and it said 1.27v on the sensor, it was actually supplying 1.55 vcore. They never admitted to or fixed that, and it was just as serious of a problem.

[night girder]

But, can't they just tell in the patchnotes what they do?

[thin trout]

Apparently not. Doesn't help that the guy working on it likely doesn't speak english

there is usually like 1 bios engineer for a huge company, and they live in taiwan or china because they get samples out of factories there. Some only speak chinese.

[night girder]

I just went to check Asus. For fun and giggles. It's not better when it comes to patchnotes.

Version 3280
14.8 MB
2025/09/17
SHA-256 ：23353CC49DA8253E63A7A80E1A6D07AAC7CFC4939EF7F432BB3ACA5F1E86A137

"1. Improved system performance.
2. Improved device compatibility.
Before running the USB BIOS Flashback tool, please rename the BIOS file (TGB650P.CAP) using BIOSRenamer."

[thin trout]

Yeah, gigabyte is even worse

[night girder]

Imagine if games pulled this off.

• Added features.
• Removed bugs.
• Improved performance.

Just those notes over and over again for every patch 🤣

[thin trout]

Oh they do. Blizzard does it all of the time 😄

you wake up one day and are like.. why the fuck is a quarter of my damage gone? Undocumented hotfix that broke a main ability

fixed 3 weeks later with no note again

It's a symptom of understaffing and "live service", where the employees are always under pressure to go work on the next thing to sell rather than polish the old adequately.

and communication breakdown / language barriers / timezone barriers

[night girder]

And MSI:

AGESA 1.2.03g updated. Same as what Assrock said.

[thin trout]

AGESA is basically just a file that AMD drops on them, they don't actually have much info or great understanding of what is inside of it

but AMD could provide update notes and don't

[night girder]

Fuck me...

I don't like it.

[thin trout]

usually there is nothing, sometimes we're left piecing together unofficial forum comments from employees

Yeah i don't like it either

it's just the same or worse everywhere else and we can't not buy CPU's

[night girder]

So, we kind blindly dropping bios updates on our mobo's.
With the idea; these companies know what they doing.
With the experience that; these companies not always know what they doing.

[thin trout]

Yeah exactly. Earlier this year Asus shipped a change that caused 30% performance loss in some workloads for no good reason, without documenting it. Took community weeks to track down the particular variable.

And that's the good side, because that variable did not affect safety at all

there are regular shitshows with safety impacting things like microcode and auto voltages when overclocking (incl xmp/expo)

every major motherboard vendor applied unsafe settings on intel 13'th/14'th gen out of the box (microcode aside), and every major motherboard vendor applied unsafe settings on AM5 cpu's when auto overclocks (xmp/expo) were enabled

[night girder]

I hope atleast they can get the 9series for AMD stable on asrock motherboards.
I went to reddit forums today to check if they know what bios update did. And I saw a lot, and recent, posts about dying hardware.

[thin trout]

Yeah i would not trust any am5 cpu that was ever plugged into an asrock board honestly

[night girder]

Seems like everyday they dying.

[thin trout]

it sucks but it is what it is. They're dying, asrock almost certainly doesn't understand why and so they can't explain or fix it, and this kind of damage can present weeks or months later. It also cannot be pinned 100% on the board itself as it doesn't leave clear evidence, although the board is obviously implicated

[night girder]

Maybe reddit is not the best source. But it didn't give me more confidence in asrock 🤣

[thin trout]

Best source for hundreds of people reporting dead cpu's

[night girder]

Yeah, not everyone would agree with that. But I think so too.

Lucky it's all 9-series 😄

[thin trout]

Yeah, that is curious

they have a different IO die stepping but it's almost the same

the main difference i would say between the 7000 x3d and 9000 x3d is the VID limits. It's 1.2v on 7000 and 1.42v on 9000

if there's spiking like +5% over VID then that might be relevant

need to get buildzoid measuring the rails 😄

[dire igloo]

Thing is: is it just ASRock?
Or is it some kind of statistical shenanigans that make it look like ASRock is disproportionately affected when they are actually not?

[thin trout]

It is just asrock.

It's not like the early 7000 series where people blamed x3d due to having 90% of the failures, but that was just because they had 90% of the sales.

Asrock isn't popular, they have like 20% of the sales and 95% of the failures. They're failing at >10x the rate of other vendors.

[night girder]

No clue, like I said; I was looking into bios update patch notes. Went to reddit. And all I found was posts of dead 9xxx CPU's on assrock.

[dire igloo]

The advisors in the servers I frequently visit all state that it's not exclusive to ASRock and that it's unlikely to be brand-spefific

[dire igloo]

*AssCock

[thin trout]

I would say that the evidence that we do have almost certainly confirms otherwise

[night girder]

I am browsing Asus reddit. No hits on dead CPU's (yet).

Ton of other problems though 🤣

[glossy glacier]

My 9800x3d on a MSI board is (still) fine

[night girder]

These spikes. Are when I reload reddit.

Bit crazy if you ask me.

And these are when I reload YT. Also a website once could see as ... a lot. But way more efficient.

I haven't found out why loading reddit is so heavy compared to other websites.

Youtube (www.youtube.com)
33 requests
4.23 MB / 1.04 MB transferred
Finish: 1.55 s
DOMContentLoaded: 5 ms
load: 331 ms

Reddit (www.reddit.com):
285 requests
36.30 MB / 30.79 MB transferred
Finish: 6.44 s
DOMContentLoaded: 535 ms
load: 4.80 s

Reddit, wtf?!?

Oh, context. I get desync in a game. So I started to monitor my network. Then I noticed that it happened when I reload reddit, I saw massive spikes and desync ingame.

[thin trout]

That's probably buffer bloat

youtube deliberately throttles its connections to save bw, reddit does the more "correct" thing, but if your internet connection is the limit then it can cause ping spikes.

[night girder]

No, YT is only 4MB.

Reddit throws 10x the data at the user. I think it's loading in way more content than needed.

And YT is better lazy loading.

[thin trout]

Probably. You can configure it on reddit i think

are you using old reddit?

[night girder]

I mean, bufferbloat can still impact this. Not going to deny that.
But I think the main culprit is the 36.30/30.79 being transfered on landing on reddit.

[thin trout]

because "new" reddit loads images for every link, and that blows up the latency and data costs.

[night girder]

I posted the url. just regular reddit url. don't have account and not much of a redditer.

[thin trout]

That goes to a different place depending on your settings, since it's unspecified

[night girder]

Ah, well it's all default (clean browser).

[thin trout]

try https://old.reddit.com/

[night girder]

Disable Cache
58 requests
2.56 MB / 837.16 kB transferred
Finish: 2.39 s
DOMContentLoaded: 1.55 s
load: 1.90 s

For that old.reddit come. Crazy.

[thin trout]

Yeah, it loads 140x98 thumbnails instead of fullsize images 😄

"new" reddit is awful, pretty much everybody uses "old" reddit, and if they ever break it then the site will die immediately

re: buffer bloat, this video taught me a lot about it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-g2P3R84dw

I never really fully escaped the issue until i got an internet connection which is literally faster than my gigabit ethernet plug can transfer. That dropped my loaded latency to single digit milliseconds, with download and/or upload maxed out.

[night girder]

I know about that. I know i have it bad. Tested it last year.

let me see if I still have results saved, for fun and giggles.

Found it

[thin trout]

this is set to check loaded latency on upload, which is higher. Got 0ms and 2ms with DL.

This site uses netflix CDN, so ISP's cannot throttle it without screwing up netflix.

[night girder]

Date: 2024-11-22

[thin trout]

Oh yeah the download bloat is bad but that upload will just outright break things

It's a difficult issue to fix.. but ISP settings sometimes affect it a lot, router has a ton of control, and faster connections generally suffer less often and severely

[night girder]

Yeah, lot of room of improvement. But I got stuck on that department.

There is some technical specifications on how we are allowed to buy our own routers from our ISP.
Instead the ISP tellings; this model and this model is good.
They just gave technical specs, that are way above my head.

It's a new law from a few years that forces ISP to let consumers buy own hardware.
And ISP wants to put up a middle finger to goverment and make it as hard as possible for consumer.

So I need to still find my own router, without breaking the network here.

[thin trout]

gl

[night girder]

It's a few pages of this shit.

I tried to tell to my goverment what was going on. Never got a reply back

"Hey, love the new law. But euhm... this is what the ISP's are doing. The minimal effort, technical specs, so in theory, yes a consumer can swap hardware. In practice, this will never happen because it's freaking rocket science to 99% of our population. So what was the point of the law?"

[jagged snow]

Man, that's all Dutch to me

[night girder]

doesn't matter.

[jagged snow]

That was supposed to be a joke

[night girder]

Ooh, sorry my mind was totally somewhere else. Haha, I get it now.

[soft bloom]

wait, what is mind?

[night girder]

The phrase "my mind was somewhere else" typically means that a person is distracted or not fully present in the moment, often thinking about other things instead of focusing on their current situation. This can happen during conversations, meetings, or other activities where attention is required.

[dire igloo]

Asked for some info on AssCock boards - not known good yet, definitely disproportionately affecting ASRock, not exclusive either

[night girder]

And they have anything to back that up? Or trust me bro when "it's happening on other boards too still".

But thanks for checking it out. I had a hunch it woulnd't have any fixes in them. Else they would note it, one would assume?!?

[soft bloom]

yes, I understand that. a phrase as whole
but still, between brain and consciousness, where's mind? or is it something outside of this spectrum?

[verbal raft]

thats 1440p BTW 🤣

(probably not even native)