off-topic-tech

[pure karma]

and i absolutely smashed the crt to oblivion for fun

[charred relic]

unfortunate if it works

CRT's are saught after now

[pure karma]

it definitely dosent work

[charred relic]

I have a 19" CRT monitor on a shelf

[pure karma]

it dosent have any of the display left lmao

[charred relic]

juuuust in case i need it.

[pure karma]

it would probably be a fun challenge to try and fix tho

[charred relic]

the one i have the tube isn't in the best of shape but it's acceptable

it only had so many hours left in it tho for sure heh

it's been a decade since that thing has been turned on... at least. I might plug it in and it's dead for all i know

I just miss the big box era of PC games... :/

Can we get big box Satisfactory? 😄

man now I'm thinking about it... could have some cool stuff in there like a map, silly little wrench keychain.... FICSIT ID badge...

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/yeet-yee-cowboy-dallas-cowboys-gif-27512215

[charred relic]

The beatings will continue until morale improves!

[pure karma]

that calls for less colors in that case

[jagged snow]

That's still all an OS is

And at the time the entirety of the linux kernal was under 1k lines as well

I really do think that modern software is very unneccecarily overcomplicated

[pure karma]

thats kind of inevitable when the only requirement for code is that it works

so theres rarely effort to optimise it

[soft bloom]

going to change it to the every 1000th log soon?

[soft bloom]

unless you work on something that won't function without optimization

[safe trench]

this is why storage suddenly becoming unreasonably large ruined everything

[pure karma]

yea and more relevant to the average person id say same story for game optimisation

[safe trench]

sorry i now need an extra 20 gigabytes to download a cod update
(4000-5000 songs)

[night girder]

Damn, searching 11k entries is not good performance wise.

freaking powerpoint slide when typing into the search box.

Going to be fun figuring out how to tune performance without a backend 😄

[night girder]

Sneaked in a little debounce and seems to do wonders.

[warm blade]

Just wanted to share this:
My friend has a brother from another country, he wanted to build a PC, and his brother put a list for him:
Motherboard – Gigabyte Z790 D AX ATX LGA1700
RAM – Corsair Vengeance RGB 32GB (2 × 16GB) DDR5-6000 CL36
Graphics Card – MSI VENTUS 2X OC GeForce RTX 5070 12GB
CPU – Intel Core i5-14600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core
SSD – Western Digital Black SN770 2TB M.2 PCIe 4.0 NVMe
PSU – MSI MAG A850GL PCIE5 II 850W 80+ Gold Fully Modular
CPU Cooler – Corsair NAUTILUS 360 RS ARGB 74.37 CFM Liquid
Case – Corsair 3500X ARGB ATX Mid Tower

I am going to change this because when I first saw his motherboard that costs 500 EUROS i knew he was fucking off the charts with affordability...

I approve of the: RAM, GPU, and... idk maybe thats it.

If anyone wants to assist with me putting a list together for him please DM me and when I make a final list I will post it here and in their DM's

Yes. Im serbian and these prices are insane.

[safe trench]

why use an intel

[warm blade]

Thats what im saying

[safe trench]

i mean honestly its not that bad

if it was fixed a little bit

[warm blade]

Yeah thats what im saying

[warm blade]

If you want you can DM me and we can make a list

[glossy glacier]

500€ MB for 200€ CPU? wow

also would avoid Intel 13. or 14. Gen in general

[pure karma]

motherboard prices just suck in general

dead platform boards are still going for over 300$ regularly and most are used or broken

so its not even just the new boards

[night girder]

the AM5 board I am eying is 150 euro 😒 Still pricey.

[languid gulch]

i think cheap mobos ended with am4

[night girder]

Yes

Some knowledgeable people say it's because AM5 motherboards got more complex.

But I don't know if that's 100% true.

[glossy glacier]

probably not wrong, pcie5, ddr5, usb4, etc. need better build quality
but also not the whole picture

[languid gulch]

same bullshit around gpus

"shortages" "tariffs" etc

it's just greed. can't have a pc without a mobo

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-brings-back-14nm-comet-lake-s-as-core-i5-110

[languid gulch]

fucking hilarious that intel's going back to 2020

[pure karma]

yea the rebranding was the final nail of many

im not going to relearn branding when the existing one is perfectly fine if you spend even 2 seconds to understand it

and the new one makes no sense anyway

[warm blade]

What is the best NVMe 2TB to get?

(this is $260)

[warm blade]

(This is RSD, calculate the amount to USD by dividing by 100)

(Also look at the red prices)
What one do I get for my friend in the end?

[pure karma]

neither of the 5060's because there 8GB

the 5070 is the best of the choices although expensive obviously and the 4060 is ok at best

[warm blade]

(Serbias prices are so high that 8GB costs that much, you cant get 12GB without paying $1000+)

[pure karma]

yea but the 5070 is 12GB

[warm blade]

Yes ik

Also this one i forgot to post cuz i accidentally posted 2x 5060's

wdym?

oh thatt

Newest Airpods

Yeah i might get the 5070 or else idk

Wdym by "it"?

oh i think it recognises only formal ways of talking

so saying "au brt nmg" (Damn bro I can't in Serbian) it will get the translate to just lag and die

[pure karma]

i still cant get over the fact they actually said that

cortana was great at blowing out everyones eardrums in a 500 mile radius by being at 100% volume by default

and still is

[jagged snow]

Also, heads up
Sites that give you calculations like that are usually near total garbage

[languid gulch]

i'm just glad my cpu has an igpu

been like 7 years since i had that as a backup

[pure karma]

same even if it has caused me more issues than it has solved its still very nice to have

[languid gulch]

i do have a 1660, RX460, RX560, and a GT610 in storage

my upgrade path over time has been kinda wild

amd A10 APU, 1700X, 5600X, 9800X3D

RX560, 1660, 6600XT, 6800XT, 4090

[pure karma]

my upgrade path has been very normal in terms of desktops

7700K, 10700F, 13700K

1070, 1660S, 4070ti

[languid gulch]

i'm still most proud of the A10 to 1700X jump. got it for $150, and it was in a Dell with a hilariously locked down bios

yea but i started on AM4, so i was kinda screwed there

that was legit one of those things to consider back then, go with AMD for the cost & decent performance, but no igpu

or go with intel for the igpu and reliability

12th gen is the last one i'd trust

[pure karma]

i mean 13th gen has been stable for me but its definitely a gamble on your motherboard and less the cpu it seems

[languid gulch]

oh i have 0 trust in 13th or 14th gen, or the new core ultra

not to mention the outright fucking stupid power consumption on intel

[pure karma]

yea the e-cores will do that if you dont disable them

because believe it or not having more than half your cores drawing power to achieve nothing is not exactly very power efficient

[languid gulch]

i'm shocked

[pure karma]

i literally brute forced them off on my laptop and the performance doubled

off of pure thermal and power efficiency gain

not to mention the 3X in battery life

locked cpu be dammed you can go to hell

[languid gulch]

not looking to get a laptop anytime soon, but i'd have no idea what to get

[sharp matrix]

Anything with a decent configuration

[pure karma]

honestly theres nothing good outside of the very top end thats like $5000 because there the only ones with acceptable cooling

[sharp matrix]

Hmmm

Thats a hot take

[languid gulch]

ngl i'm a bit tempted to go with a framework one

[pure karma]

hot take but true

[sharp matrix]

Hmmm fair

[pure karma]

anything other than low end or top of the line is cutting costs on cooling

[languid gulch]

yea gimme one of those mid-2000s laptops that were so reinforced you could beat someone to death with it

[pure karma]

my laptops cooler can barely cool 20W but it has a combined power draw of over 100W

whats even the point

[languid gulch]

so much can be done on a phone these days i haven't felt the need to even look at laptops

and if you need any sort of actual power, desktop is just not even a question

[charred relic]

https://tenor.com/view/power-starwars-unlimited-power-gif-15939349

[charred relic]

yes

it's too wide for one

couldn't stop either... heh

planes meant for it have a hook to land, b-2 does not

those pilots when they hit the deck actually gun it again in case they miss that hook

no hook no land

b-2 is meant to just keep flying and refuel in the air heh

it has a virtually limitless range as long as it has supply aircraft to refuel it

and they give pilots amphetamines... so they can go for at least a few days

the wright brothers would see that thing and be like what the...

lol

imagine that 54+m wingspan flying over super low

they'd totally think it was aliens...

They had a lot of good rocket guys too

we used a lot of those guys for our space program

if it was post ww2 it was probably a former nazi scientist/engineer lol

i mean they did have a lot of ahead of it's time stuff... tbh

like jets... just way too late

if they'd had those in numbers by mid war... wooweeee

now doing space stuff is just gettiong more and more common

I look at the space shuttle design now and it's like wow what a pile of junk but when it first was shown then launched i was amazed

now elon yeets out starlink satellites like a pez dispenser

I met a guy once that knew Klingon...

pre revolution writings here are typically worth a fortune lol

well anything that was imortant anyhow

[languid gulch]

i mean, i've been overflown by a B2

it's kinda like the first time you see a 747

and you wonder how it's staying in the air

i have something that flies over my house that'd probably make some germans nervous 🤣

80 years old & still kickin

B-17

the thing that levelled germany

here it is last time i saw it. think it's about 1000 hrs of maintenance for every hour of flying

13x0.50 cals

you'd think humanity would learn

and now it's repeating

[glossy glacier]

@warm blade what about AMD? How expensive are the RX 9070s?

[glossy glacier]

ARC b580 is a solid card, but I don't know if the drivers are stable enough for your average gamer.
They are no longer "nerds only" though

[jagged snow]

Oh they're more than stable

I have several friends firsthand that have purchased them as entry level cards for non-techie gamers and had stellar experiences

They are flat out the best sub-300 dollar gpu we've had in 5+ years at least

Honestly, I don't think we've had an offering this competative since the 1660 series

They more or less keep up with the rtx5060 at a significantly lower price

And performance wise, the 3060, 4060, rx6600, rx7600 are all a joke in comparison

Newegg has $250usd b580 with a 70 dollar game included in stock right now

That is cheaper than a used 3060 goes for on ebay at the moment

There legitimately has not been a better buy in gaming for several generations int hat price bracket

Yes

[safe trench]

because its the first tripple a shooter than probably wont suck

[jagged snow]

If you want to buy a low end 1440 or high end 1080 card the 9060xt is a great deal at around a hundred dollars more for ~40% performance uplift

Oh wow

Newegg actually has 9060xt for $300 on sale atm

That's a smokin deal as well

But

9060xt has has half the vram of b580

So if you care...

[safe trench]

is vram really even THAT important

is this an interrogation?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/832373872237084702/1098346411491328060/1EA8ABD8-5519-45D7-9524-932D25DD6A90-1.gif

ch720n

and thats like it lol

i only like it since its 100~

yes

because i honestly know 0 other brand that makes decent headphones

wait what

Hinge Problem™ bought hyprx?

so thats why their keyboards suck now?

you should just wait to hear what the us judge said about the goog monopoly

what is that audio knob

wait why is there 2??

this thing is a car dashboard just for your computer

at this point just buy an old used car and put all the buttons as knobs and other stuff

that might make you happy

https://tenor.com/view/lunaistabby-fwadri-gif-4721717632572923296

european!!!!

i love facebook marketplace

i know

i wish to have his algorithim for it

it is incredible

not that it matters lol

to just see random stuff like that is incredible

i 100% want "BARRELS, PRICE FREE."

or the "FREE Free Refridgerator."

oh i cannot wait to buy a 36 thousand dollar "24ft Coast Guard RIB, Aluminum Hull, Diesel 230HP"

i get that this is a scam but who in there right mind out of everything they could list it would be this

source: just trust me bro

man i just wish there was a seperate app for marketplace

ok but they were going to die anyways
gotta finish them sooner

qhar

[warm blade]

$900 with 2 fans against the nvidia rtx 5070 which is $70 cheaper and has 3 fans

[glossy glacier]

The number of fans has little meaning

I'd say go for an RX 9060 or B580 over a 5060
RX 9070 over 5070

[twin dew]

Also, 5000-series Nvidias still doesn't have stable drivers...

Also, are you sure you aren't looking at prices for 9070 XT, and not 9070 non-XT?

[night girder]

9070 with two fans?

even the lolal non XT I find here are 3.

[night girder]

Curious; anyone in here ever exeperienced a PSU going unstable after 4-5 days? Is that technically possible?

Because I am trying to think, what part of the PSU, can get "unstable" and cause an issue after a few days. If that's somethign that could happen.

[twin dew]

Same as with any electronics with caps and active silicon: Yes, is possible.

[night girder]

Really after a few days consistently?

Also I get this weird error when I try to look into my WHEA logger after a crash.

And then when I restart, the WHEA logger is empty showing 0 entries. FFS Microsoft.

[twin dew]

Technically possible, not common, but possible in unit.
And WHEA logger just logs what the CPU reports.
If CPU doesn't report anything, there isn't anything to log.

[night girder]

No. Crash. I open WHEA logging. I get error about something I don't understand.

Event viewer closes. I open WHEA logging. It's empty.

So there is a chance that something gets logged in WHEA, but even viewer craps out and deletes it on restart.

"unload snap-in" ...

[twin dew]

MMC is that program that Event Viewer is snap-in module for.
Basically MMC is the base program, that takes plugins (snap-ins) for different things.
Group Policy editor, Event Viewer etc. are snap-ins for that MMC.

Microsoft Management Console.

That naming has been there since probably Windows NT 4, possibly NT 3.5

So before Plugin was common term.

So in more common parlance:
"Plugin crashed, do you want to unload the plugin and continue with the program, or close the whole program?"

[night girder]

🤨

It always happens when I click whea logging at startup of eventviewer.

Fuck it, it's still a Microsoft product. What can I expect.

[twin dew]

Which then tells that something is wrong with the config for that view, or the base data file that contains the WHEA-logger logs.

[night girder]

at Microsoft.ManagementConsole.Internal.SnapInMessagePumpProxy.OnThreadException(Object sender, ThreadExceptionEventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Application.ThreadContext.OnThreadException(Exception t)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.InvokeMarshaledCallbacks()
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)

Unhandled exception.

[twin dew]

My main PC Windows for example seems to have 402 different event log data files.
In %SystemRoot%\System32\winevt\Logs

[night girder]

let me check.

I got 366 😄

[twin dew]

But if that Event Viewer doesn't crash when selecting System, then it is the View settings that are broken and you would need to delete that WHEA-Logger view, and recreate it.

[night girder]

🤦‍♀️

[twin dew]

As most likely cause.

[night girder]

Nah it works. But no clue if it deletes entries or not.

But based on your explanation it shouldn't.

Since it's just unloading a "plugin".

[twin dew]

No, it doesn't delete entries.
That WHEA-Logger is just View, set of selection commands on what to show from the logs.

If you remember, we just selected that it will show log entries from that specific source, as easy access view, like views in DB use.
They aren't tables, they don't contain data, they just select data from tables for viewing with presets.

[night girder]

So a new idea I had, yesterday, I was listening to the ticking sound getting worse and worse. And then bam, I had a crash. But I am still not 100% if it's PSU, motherboard or CPU or a fan ticking. I suspect CPU/Mobo/PSU. Then at one point it really sounded like it was comming from PSU, and that would explain why I didn't get any WHEA logging.

I tried hitting on the case a few times, that helps for fans ticking noises, didn't help 🤣

So, I am afraid I have to take PSU outside case to be sure if that's the cause. Of the ticking sound. After 4-5 days of running 24/7.

[tribal kraken]

In short, first batteries and other hazards are removed manaully, then crushed to pieces and then plastics and metals separated, and then valuable metals separated from each other

Maybe, complex processes today to separate aluminium from other metals in automated recyling facilites. Magnets, vibrators, RTG etc

[night girder]

tweakers.net/reviews/13780/van-foute-bios-tot-oververhitte-chips-dit-zat-er-echt-achter-de-ssd-crashes.html (ssd crashes explained)

Windows 11 update doesn't seem at fault like I expected.

Tweakers thinks it's heat that caused the SSD's to shut down. If that happens during a write, it can cause issues.

[twin dew]

Some from heat, some from being drives with preproduction firmwares provided by AMD to reviewers with X570 motherboards and never updated.

[twin dew]

Thermal throttling code in firmware being buggy probably.

[night girder]

And people 👉 Microsoft.

[twin dew]

And JayzTwoCents was using non-released MB BIOS version too for that E25 thingie.

[night girder]

Microsoft: "nu, not us" 🤣

[night girder]

🤡

[twin dew]

Which was also long outdated.

[night girder]

I don't watch J2C. Not my thing.

And I ahven't seen Linus in a year now.

[twin dew]

GPU test bench using non-released MB BIOS from somewhere late 2024...

Basically provided to reviewers directly to fix some then current issue.

But without full testing.

[night girder]

and J2C was using assrock. 🤣

[twin dew]

And no matter what MB, should have updated to next Stable BIOS/UEFI ASAP.

[night girder]

I shouldn't speak too soon.

[twin dew]

And not stay on "quick fix" reviewer only firmware.

[verbal raft]

30fps cutscenes ?
you've got to be kidding me

[pure karma]

Thats still the norm

[verbal raft]

what

hell naw

i cant remember the last time i played a game where cutscenes were locked to 30

[on PC]

Hell

Neither BL 3 OR 2 did this

This is just stupid

If you could do it then what stops you from doing it now ?

[verbal raft]

Hell i don't even think BL 1 does this

[pure karma]

Im going to crash out the wifi is down

[night girder]

• Assassin's Creed Shadows: 30 fps cutscenes.
• Expedition 33: 30 fps cutscenes.
• Kingdom Come Deliverance 2: 30 fps cutscenes.
  ...

[pure karma]

iv also seen some games display a fake framerate during cutscenes to hide this lol

like rendering a small scene in the background

[verbal raft]

wait, what ? lol

[twin dew]

Send frames with higher FPS, but just send same prerendered video frame multiple times.

Some games still do stupid shit like devs prerendering cutscenes and saving them as video files, even when they just use ingame engine to generate them...

[verbal raft]

OOF

[twin dew]

In which case 30FPS saves disk space.

[pure karma]

why is it that my phone is only power efficient when its to run a hotspot lmao

its like if its trying t oget me to waste my money

its been at 98% for literally 40 minutes

[verbal raft]

lel

headline: intel
reality: a colaboration between a new york university, intel and AMD

[pure karma]

[night girder]

So in the last few days, I read so many articles about EU back paddling their decisions.

EU is not going to fine google. EU is not going to fine Microsoft.

Fucking puppet show.

[pure karma]

ofc there not going to do anything

its too profitable to act like they are

[twin dew]

Per color, or combined?
Mostly we are currently at 8 bit per color, 24 bit total.
With some monitors supporting more now.

16bit total was used in the past.

"big box" in this context?

Didn't understand the morning one either.

[night girder]

How many bit is this?

[twin dew]

Lot of games with 24bit color support/use were released before large size physical packaging with extras and actual manuals etc. went away?
Including basically any Windows 95 games and lot of Windows 3.1 games.
That original VGA 8bit (256 total colors) palette is very limited.

[pure karma]

8?

[night girder]

8 bit colors?

also, is this black and white? or black and green? 🤣

[twin dew]

And seems that even VGA Mode 13h was already 18 bits, 6 per color.

[night girder]

gameboy color was 8 bit

4 shades of green sounds kinky though.

[twin dew]

No, that was talk about MCGA Mode 13h in VGA Mode 13h article...

[night girder]

Apparantly gameboy light had grey. Played a lot on the gameboys.

And I never realized the green. Was just mesmerized by gaming 🤣

that framerate though, it's better than some modern games rofl

The more we go forwards, the more powerful our hardware becomes, the less performance we get out of games haha

[twin dew]

Ah, VGA was 6+6+6 bit (18 bit), with just that you could only select 256 color palette (8 bits) from that larger color space at one time?

[mental oriole]

Interesting
using 14/16 threads (7 cores vs 8) (7 core + 7 threads) is better than using 15/16 (8 core + 7 threads) 🙂

double numbers because of core threads

[languid gulch]

😛 dis mine

crap translations?

i've never actually played any of them 🤣

didn't have a disk drive

i don't even know if they'll run on win11

[charred relic]

SVGA was around

resolution was low compared to modern times but the colors were there heh

it was 24bit color

By the time 486's were on shelves it was standard really

maybe some earlier 486's had VGA but typically SVGA

big big box games... could use SVGA

i mean maybe not the earlier ones... before it existed

Like all the old Ultima titles i got, those were in some cases just CGA or EGA, but VGA and SVGA didn't exist

My Tandy 1000EX has CGA

and I had a modulator that might work for plugging into a TV

well hooking to a TV... would be more appropriate

looking back I realize how hacky hooking up an Atari was... it had a modulator then hooked up to the antenna terminals

then it was just a switch... channel 3 or channel 4 (in the US)

and it felt more like a slider than a switch bit it was a switch

just so hacky that you're using the same type of signal as would be broacast and just feeding it straight in wired to the atenna terminals

so hacky lol

no

I didn't like the movies so I doubt I'd like the games lol

I know people that love Dune

and I'm like yeah I love the movie... if I wanna go to sleep

I can't do e-books either even if I'm into it, puts me to sleep :/

[languid gulch]

me? nothing

cousin had an N64

i had a GBC

parents wanted me to work on school & not have games

[charred relic]

The last conole I had back in that era was a Sega Genesis

by then I was too busy with more important shit... like shasing skirts

*chasing

I didn't even do anything with pcs between the 286 and 486 eras

i went from a 286 to a Pentium I heh

talk about a huge leap

Well wait I did have a 386 laptop at one point... VGA too but black and white

[languid gulch]

we just had 1 home pc until the mid 2000s, and they were really just for email, they weren't good enough for any kind of gaming

[charred relic]

it was used when I got it, wasn't gonna spend what they cost new

yeah 90's pcs were not gamers for sure

i mean some could do it and later on there were cards but it wasn't typical

and there weren't as many enthusiests as now

[languid gulch]

my parents were kinda convinced that the whole computer & internet thing weren't going to last, so why invest in it for yourself or your kids

[charred relic]

2000's things changed

well people, quite a number, though the internet was a fad

[languid gulch]

yup

or it was just for supernerds

[charred relic]

well early on it really was

[languid gulch]

oh 100%

but by the late 90s it was pretty clear

[charred relic]

images on html was a huge stir int he day

some people were way against adding that to the standard

[soft bloom]

possible next step in image compression?
arxiv.org/pdf/2407.01866

Image-GS: Content-Adaptive Image Representation via 2D Gaussians

[charred relic]

due to bandwidth, and they kinda had a point.

a site would go from 1 or 2kb or text to 10x that or more

earlier internetters also were not fond of AOL giving folks an onramp... like here lets get the least skilled users on there...

weird mixtures of gate keeping and legit concern

My first internet was via a secure shell account a friend at a uni got me set up with

nobody even had it at home yet...

used to see a lot of ARPA addresses back then... still see them now but very rarely

I didn't have faster than dialup until 1999

then it was 1.5mbit/256kbit

I think I can go up to 5gbit where i am now... lol

lets have a look, what button will tempt me to click upgrade

AT&T Internet 5000
5 GIG speed
Was $255.00 per month, now $155.00 per month
$255.00/mo.
$
155.00/mo 😄

[pure karma]

2K a year on wifi is crazy

[charred relic]

I pay for 500/500, get 600/600.....from time to time it'll hit 1000/600

hard for a small isp to exist in this country

the large companies already have the backbone b/w or get a better price on it than you can

heh spider comes back... jumps right on me

[night girder]

Baldur, Ronak Singhal is going to leave Intel. Just so you know when you wake up 🤣

chief architect Xeon

[bronze jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WjU5d26Cc4 cool new splatting tech from intel

what a time to be alive!

[soft bloom]

I did post a link to this paper earlier today

(video itself is meh, 40% of it's time is wasted on spelling "awesome" and "magic")

[soft bloom]

so for those who might have seen Hank's video about recent "we don't know how else to explain this if not by life on Mars"
there's a more detailed, better structured history recap made by Anton Petrov, that includes "canals", "bacteria" and most recent talked about finding

for context
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWuFBZw9Olk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib0GQ4okpaY

and yes, my first question ||(aside from "oh did they finally decided to tell about this?")|| was too "is it same bio origin as Earth life or a different one?"
though I guess in reality it would be more of question of at what point it branched out

[languid gulch]

dumb question time

with a vertical gpu mount, is there any way to add in other AICs

[pure karma]

pcie risers?

[soft bloom]

damn, I think I noticed Steve Mould aging...

[pure karma]

but no not within a case realistically

[soft bloom]

context
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_PCZiNlmPw
also it mentions golden ratio

[languid gulch]

that's the one big thing that i hate about wanting to do a vertical mount

got a usb hub in one of the pcie slots

[pure karma]

iv got a network card but atleast thats tiny

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpson-the-end-is-near-apocalypse-gif-7204975

So, the AI minister can't be bribed. Or that's the reasoning.

[twin dew]

But who makes the training set and trains that "AI" minister?

And who writes the prompts?

[night girder]

other AI ofc.

[night girder]

Baldur. Am I confused?

[twin dew]

About what?

[night girder]

Does this "staff" confirm the SSD issues from W11. Which Microsoft itself denied?

[twin dew]

Because the staff member might just be going by the same rumor mill as everyone else.
And not by any official MS guidance.

[night girder]

Fuck my life.

I am not confused.

A bit silly that Microsoft External Staff, is ignoring official Microsoft statements.

They should remove the "microsoft external staff" all together. And just call em. I don't know. Users like the rest of us. 🤣

[twin dew]

AFAIK basically they have even less contact with MS than I do with CSS.

Because CSS people actually post here from time to time.

[night girder]

Yeah, you told me

[twin dew]

Well, they are getting paid AFAIK, unlike me for example.

[night girder]

ok, and they give shit advice

[twin dew]

Basically MS pays external shitty companies to staff people for the site etc.
But that staff then has no contact with MS people.

Pay, training, etc. of first tier externalized helpdesk people, with responsibilities of the highest tier internal helpdesk people.

But as no-one can complain that they cannot do the job they seem to be expected to do, that doesn't matter to MS.

Or the companies they actually work for either.

[night girder]

So MS is paying people, who go against their official statements

[mental oriole]

oh boy don't tell me people are this stupid...

[charred relic]

Ok people aren't that stupid

They are far far MORE stupid...

[pure karma]

because why would they

if theres no reprocution why join in the lie

[soft bloom]

as always - because there's a warm seat

[night girder]

Because it's likelely the windows update had nothing to do with it?

I mentioned it before; likely cause they think is heat.

And also sounds like a very plausible reason if you think about hot these summers are getting in some places.

• People update, SSD overheats, shuts down. If lucky all good and you restart. If unlucky some errors during IO operations.
• J2C was using old ass bios, and likely old bios drivers are also not helping.

[twin dew]

Not that old old, but it was special "crap, something is broken for reviewer, lets bash quick fix to that issue and send it direct".

[night girder]

But people like to shit on Microsoft, so I get it. But to me it still sounds a bit weird windows update causes these issues. And the best paper I read so far, said it was heat.
And so far, I haven't seen anything better as investigation.

[twin dew]

And it has other stuff broken during that.

That was known and fixed in next actual stable BIOS.

[night girder]

But the moment somebody can proof without a doubt, that the specific windows update 100% kills SSD's, then I accept it.

[jagged snow]

Which is crazy to me, this is what my gen4 drive sees under decently heavy loads

[night girder]

Cool.

This is what researchers see. Right before SSD fail. Going from 76 degrees to 0 and then bam SSD goes out.

[jagged snow]

Yeah, to be clear

Not saying I disagree

I was just saying it was fascinating to me that SSDs were getting that hot

[twin dew]

During summer, the hotter of my 980 Pros with MB heatsinks on them hit 75+C when system was loaded in games.
Got heated by GPU.

[night girder]

My hardware, was 100% hotter during the summer.

My room temperature was 35-40. Now it's 20.

[jagged snow]

That makes sense, especially since the EU is so allergic to AC

[night girder]

And installing windows update, lot of IO operations ... I don't know. It makes sense.

[twin dew]

Right now that same drive is 51C while gaming.

Cooler one is 43C

[jagged snow]

Yeah, that 58C number for me was during a game update

With 4.2Gbps reported write throughput

[night girder]

It's either accepting that. Or the general "Windows update did it" with 0 proof.

[jagged snow]

Again

I believe the heat argument

I'm just saying that it seems like there are some design issues there on some of the drives, probably coupled with poor m.2 positioning on the motherboard and bad case airflow, especially if it's right behind the gpu backplate like many are

[night girder]

Ah, sorry. It's just that in so many communities I still see this "windows update kills ssd" stuff going around.
Somebody was updating a game on steam, saw 100% activity on their disk, panicked and asked for help.
The help they got was; "Ah, yeah, windows update fucked your SSD".

[jagged snow]

That's super frustrating

[twin dew]

Lot of people who think that CPU, GPU, Disk etc. at 100% usage is somehow dangerous or that something is broken when that happens...

[night girder]

I know ... and I might be wrong.

but I think they think 100% activity = 100% write.

[jagged snow]

Yeah, I'm never quite sure how to combat that either

[night girder]

Doesn';t it just mean the disk is active for 100%, no downtime? Or does it relate to IO.

This was one of their pictures.

[twin dew]

Yes, just that it is working as fast as it can, and hitting it with more orders will not speed things up anymore.

[jagged snow]

It's also like how 100% cpu doesn't even mean that your chip can't go faster

[twin dew]

Basically that that average response time/latency has started to rise significantly.

[jagged snow]

Is WinDirStat still relevant?

[night girder]

Oh, and they a driver update and the issue was gone

anyway, back to scraping. I hit a setback 🙁

[jagged snow]

lET'S FIND OUT

[night girder]

Javascript 🖕

[jagged snow]

Lol

Oh goodie

What a shocker, it's pointlessly huge games

Oh NO WAY

Google drive cache didn't get cleaned up after uninstalling 3 years ago and it's stil 55GB

[night girder]

hahaha

I love it when I find old caches still sitting there.

https://tenor.com/view/clean-this-shit-up-angry-mad-clean-it-up-gif-17712997

[jagged snow]

Adobe also has a 60.3GB thumbnail cache

Oh my npm cache looks cool when visualized

Wait

[night girder]

npm, somethign that scares me now 😄

with all these packages getting hacked/injected lately.

[jagged snow]

Whatyeah, it is a little concerning

Huh

Flippin adobe

[charred relic]

i am concern

[jagged snow]

Oh?

Man

26.6GB in my npm packages folder

[charred relic]

largest folder tree on this pc is launchboxs downloaded image/art etc

2nd is pinball fx heh

external has a whopper but that's a full MAME set

[night girder]

I got a cleanup script lol 😄

[jagged snow]

I want to just finish up my js projects and nuke it all 💀

[night girder]

'npm cache clean --force'

[mental oriole]

welcome to dependency hell

[night girder]

Ok, so my second scraping script. Is more robust than REST calls. And quicker. And I don't get gated. And it's using a browser 🤣

They can't stop me now. Mhuahaha.

Also funny, like they use ID's for all these knowledges.

And you have id's between 0-100. Then it jumps to 500. Then to 1000. Then no id's. Untill you hit around 14000.

Fix;

while rotating_id <= 20000 🤣

[mental oriole]

wtf

why are ids integers

and not guids

[night girder]

No, why are the id's all over the place 🤣

Like if I have game, and I add knowledge, and I give it id's.

Why make jumps?

[mental oriole]

what are you scraping either way?

[night girder]

some game lore stuff, pretty innocent.

[mental oriole]

Index got removed

At least that would be my guess

[night girder]

Maybe. It's weird. because even the newest patch of this week, added new content. But the id's just jump.

As if a developer just guesstimates. "Mhm, I think we stop at 5000 last time. Let's start this new lore/knowledge at id 10000 to be sure".

[mental oriole]

No idea, unless the site shares ids among other games but they're tied to some base path

[night girder]

So, there are two sites that do the same thing. And both have same id for same knowledge entries.

So either they scrape eachother. Or it's such in the game files.

[mental oriole]

Then gaps could be considered "normal" but I'm still gonna say a range of 10000 is strange

Ye ids from in game stuff could be related

[night girder]

So I ran my script on another website yesterday.

I get 11K entries. But I had a loop of 20K.

so 9K is just missing 🤣

Where there is the timeout, that's missing knowledge.

[mental oriole]

Idk 🙂

[night girder]

I call it timeout, because script waits for DOM element, if it's not there in x time (that I set) move on and assume page isn't loading.

When manually visiting the pages, I can confirm there is nothing there.

[night girder]

Weird right? Ah well. Developers are weird creatures 😄

[mental oriole]

yup

[night girder]

Also!

I visited the /robots.txt.

[mental oriole]

hmm?

[mental oriole]

xD

[night girder]

So, the website says; scrape me. Right?

I though robots.txt was used by websites to tell "robots" (scripts) what they can access and can't.

[mental oriole]

I have no idea how robots.txt "work"

I'm not a webdev

[night girder]

me neither.

But let's just say, that is what it's telling me so i can just continue without a worry 😄

I don't have a worry anyway. Already spotted enough on the website.

Trackers to russia. Trackers to google. Some ugly stuff under the hood.

watch.js - domain: "mc.yandex.ru" - blocked by me

[mental oriole]

yup

So much tracking.

[night girder]

Yeah, a lot.

[verbal raft]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du4udMySAS0

[thin trout]

that pile of poop actually runs at 1080p60 on a 5090

[night girder]

Yikes, Borderlands 4 not going well?

[thin trout]

For a bunch of other people? Yeah it's not going well. I have an eyeball and didn't buy it

[night girder]

Eh, borderlands kinda lost me. I had fun. Years back.

And modern games = shit optimization.

[mental oriole]

Bl2 was the peak

[night girder]

First we had the new metal gear solid turning PC's on fire.

now it's borderlands.

How do they fuck up cartoon graphics and performance?

[thin trout]

every graphics option has lumen on

[night girder]

Am I missing something?

[thin trout]

Lumen is infamous for A: using a wildly disproportionate amount of resources - and B: looking bad

[verbal raft]

yeah lol
at least give minimum settings SSGI or somethin'

[thin trout]

2012 borderlands ran better on a £270 graphics card than 2025 borderlands runs on a £2400 graphics card. No joke

[night girder]

Borderlands 4 claptrap vs borderlands 1 claptrap 🤣

Ok, it looks a little bit more crisp. But not to say, wow. The graphics got so insanely good, it will hit performance

[verbal raft]

Pretty madening

Though i guess its to be expected for borderlands these days

[thin trout]

Yeah, i just don't get why games like this and monster hunter basically broadcast for a month before launch that this is the case, and still make the steam top sellers despite a review score in the 30%'s.

[verbal raft]

BL3 also ran like crap when it launched on hardware of the time

[thin trout]

you'd think that they'd be the most educated subset of the market or take like 10 seconds to google if there are major problems with the game

but it happens over and over

which is pretty baffling

[verbal raft]

I mean the console versions actually do seem fine to me

Might just be that the artstyle is really good at hiding upscaling

[twin dew]

Those actually got some optimization work to the fixed targets.
PC is probably just "whatever, it runs".

[verbal raft]

And the devs might have put in work to make FSR 3.1 look decent
I wouldn't know tho, haven't played yet

[thin trout]

ps5 performance mode has horrific upscaling shimmering/ghosting. Like 540p on an older fsr or something

https://youtu.be/qa9RzK3T8IU?t=296

look at the gun scope and the tree

[twin dew]

There have also been games where lowest settings you can select on PC are better than the settings Console versions used...

[night girder]

monster hunter wilds did get flack for it

[thin trout]

It did! From the top of the best seller list.

[night girder]

and MHW did a demo. And that ran ok.

[thin trout]

I don't play or know the series, and i knew a month before launch that it was a trainwreck because steam had a free benchmark.

[night girder]

but they probably optimized the demo zone legit.

[verbal raft]

I only saw it on the scope but the rest looks fine IMO

[thin trout]

The demo runs awfully

[night girder]

I played the demo. I had no issues?

[thin trout]

I think it was 70fps on overclocked zen5 x3d + 5090 in one place. Ran it myself like 5x on different settings

[night girder]

I think that one was a bit misleading to some people.

[thin trout]

oh not demo sorry

the benchmark that they put out before launch - it had a handful of scenes

and some performed okay, others extremely badly. Both CPU and GPU performance was poor, but the CPU performance stuck out the most. It was also just visually awful both in general and for its performance level

[night girder]

saw a YT video (already forgot from who) that said a gaming company admitted they should focus on low end PC's.

But... eh just words for now (if it's true).

[thin trout]

Funny how the games with the biggest scope and most revolutionary features mostly work on an r5 5600 (or even 3600) but some recycled trash comes out and a 9800x3d is dipping and stuttering all over.

[night girder]

Haha, Battlefield 6 🤣 They already preparing.

[verbal raft]

Stutter 2 be like

[night girder]

"Ok guys, we got possitive feedback from open beta of BF6... LETS NOT FUCK THIS UP."

[mental oriole]

"skipping" how about just bin it alltogether.

[night girder]

"Everyone; optimize the shit out of this game"

[pure karma]

we cant do it right so we just wont... EA 2025

[night girder]

Haha, so funny. They need money 😄

[thin trout]

RT can do a lot of good, and it can run really well. It's incredible in DDA, and that game runs fine on a rtx 2060 as an RT-only game.

[night girder]

and call of duty fucked it up by adding rick and morty skins to the game.

[thin trout]

(by fine: i mean, DDA on a 2060 runs faster than BL4 on a 5060)

[night girder]

so the market (FPS) is wide open for BF6,.

[verbal raft]

TDA has suuuppperr light RT only tho

OR a supper heavy mode (PT)

[thin trout]

They have a wide range from light to some of the most extreme RT load in any game. As it should be.

Point is, it's one more tool in the box which can be horrifically misused

BF6 guys basically decided that they want to target lower end hardware than a 2060, or achieve very high performance even on a 2060, and they don't want to develop 2 different light/shadows/reflection models - so they just went zero RT

[night girder]

Better than shipping it with ray tracing and people be mad.

[thin trout]

and it's working well for them

but DDA approach of configurable RT-only works too.

What i don't think is gonna hang around for much longer is the "this game can do raster or RT" stuff. People will increasingly pick one or the other, and it will tend to be RT i think.

[night girder]

What do people want? Whining about optimization. Then developer is responsible and skip x features to focus on performance. Then people bitching about features missing?

[thin trout]

The key is optionality

you don't have to crank DDA so that it hurts a 5090. But you can, so both parties are satisfied

[night girder]

Or, you ship a game that works for low ends.

[thin trout]

with BL4, the game MUST have fps dips on the best CPU's and run trash on lower end ones. You have no choice, the menu doesn't really change it and nobody is happy.

If it ran badly on "extreme" and ran well on other settings then people wouldn't complain

[night girder]

And gradually release features for high end after release?

I think it's very hard for developers to please everyone (low-end, mid-end, high-end AND investors that want the game out of the door so it stops costing money and starts making money).

[thin trout]

for sure

some are better than others though 😄

[verbal raft]

BL4 has godamn denuvo
Im betting that's actually to be blamed for the stuttering given most other UE 5.5 games don't stutter this much

[night girder]

What do you mean with some? Developers, gaming companies, games, ... ?

[thin trout]

Developers, companies. Gearbox CEO is like a drunk guy with a microphone

[night girder]

Oh for sure.

And kinda weird, that big companies are struggling harder. Or might be a wrong perception from my part.

[mental oriole]

Whyyy

[verbal raft]

They just had to boost day 2 sales by 2% by fucking up smoothness and spending a couple million on denuvo

[night girder]

But it sure feels like that sometimes.

[thin trout]

I think it's accurate

Satisfactory is the showpiece for UE5 performance and scope

[night girder]

For sure! Dedication, passion and a company that did all the correct things it seems. Or a lot!

[verbal raft]

Doesn't use most UE 5 features tho

[thin trout]

It goes to prove that the underlying engine is fine though, since the most technically impressive game since the advent of Doom can run on it and run great.

[night girder]

And then companies with money and a lot of resources, struggle to put out something decent. I know this one is beaten to death in this channel, but ... greed?

[twin dew]

But does for example use Nanite right, which is thing that most UE5 get wrong.

[night girder]

Or something structural wrong in big companies.

The way teams etc are structured. The managers etc.

[verbal raft]

Only super sparingly tho

[mental oriole]

Management hell

[verbal raft]

Pretty much only cliffs

[mental oriole]

I see it everywhere.

[night girder]

my sympathy!

[twin dew]

But point is that lot of UE5 games have the ultra-super-high definition raw artist assets in the game, and try to use Nanite to downgrade even to full-LOD models.
When the documentation says that you must downgrade the artist assets manually to the highest LOD version, and let Nanite handle the rest.

Even Satisfactory had to downgrade some of the terrain for Nanite, as some parts were just too high-poly as baseline full detail LOD.

[verbal raft]

Ohh
Damn
Bet no game fixes this post release

[mental oriole]

Probably not, maybe some, but idk.

[thin trout]

For dev, i would say: Look at performance at the start of your project, not the end. Monitor with every major change. If it falls off a cliff, figure out why and when/if that will be fixable, and consider reverting or approaching in a different way.

A lot of these guys go neck deep into nanite, lumen etc, basically finish the game, and then look back and go "..oh shit".

and at that point the terrible decisions are locked in and you'd have to rip out and repave half the game

[night girder]

Let's not forget. Developers might know. But people above them put pressure/time restrictions on them.

[twin dew]

Basically Nanite on PR speak was "it handles LODs for you".
When the actual documentation says, it handles generating lower LOD versions from the classic full-LOD game models at runtime, not the artist assets.

So when before you had to create 4-10 different LODs manually, from that full artist model, now you only have to create one.
But lot of companies took that as just using that artist version and not creating even that single game version.

[night girder]

read the documentation

[mental oriole]

rtfm

[twin dew]

And Nanite isn't made to handle that kind of detail at all, or downgrade the models by 100+x polygon count.

[night girder]

did you tell CSS that? 😛

[twin dew]

Like I said, in some of the Nanite videos CSS people told that Epic recommended them downgrade some of the terrain models, as they were too high polygon count before.

With IIRC before and after close up wireframes to compare.

[soft bloom]

When final 2% of allegedly 3 minutes update take longer then 6 seconds....................

[glossy glacier]

Sounds like Windows-Stuck-for-10-min-at-100%-Update

[sterile plinth]

how shitty are 10$ ds4 controllers expected to be

i bought one and its having connectivity issues sometimes delaying keypresses up to 1-2 seconds

even for a product thats expected to be bad i did not expect it to be so horrible

[safe trench]

welcome to dropshipping

[jagged snow]

Would y'all be comfortable setting up a novice user with bazzite for gaming and web browsing?

[safe trench]

isnt that like super easy

[jagged snow]

Its supposed to be

But I have no firsthand experience

[safe trench]

just install linux mint

[jagged snow]

Yeah there are plenty of distros I could go with

But it's not for me

[safe trench]

test it out in a vm

and dual boot windows

[charred relic]

I haven't used it enough to say

much less looking at it from that perspective

[glossy glacier]

Its basically install and done?
Choose the right options when downloading the bazzite iso regarding hardware and if you want to boot into steam big picture or not.
Steam is preinstalled - > log in and done
Firefox is preinstalled - > done

[pure karma]

Yea

Its literally ready for that out of the box

its got firefox and steam pre installed

[jagged snow]

It supports KDE plasma too, right?

[glossy glacier]

yes

gnome and kde iirc

[charred relic]

Is bazzite the one with no package manager or was that the one I can't remember the name of that I ran that's a game distro

[twin dew]

It has read-only main file system.
So uses Flatpak, Homebrew and couple of other formats for additional programs.

https://docs.bazzite.gg/Installing_and_Managing_Software/

Basically same as SteamOS itself on that front.

[willow pike]

the popularity of steamos has motivated a lot of software to get flatpaks

[charred relic]

thiccpak

[mental oriole]

flatpak just annoying

[celest leaf]

guys i have a question, i was making 90 screws per min for 22.5 iron per min is there a way to split iron easily into the smelter

[jagged snow]

Wrong channel, ask in #satisfactory

[low scaffold]

Hello there fellow Pioneer!
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Please note, the entire off-topic category is reserved for not Satisfactory related chattery. To comply with your FICSIT Inc. contract, please make use of the appropriate channels in the Satisfactory category. Thank you!

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[dire igloo]

(the answer is manifolds)

[pure karma]

Manifold everything, load balance nothing.

[languid gulch]

glad they figured out the phison SSD issue

and as it turns out, one of mine had the prerelease firmware

[jagged snow]

I still need to check that out on mine

[languid gulch]

he put the list of ssd brands in the description so you can check

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyMQCYSc9mQ

[jagged snow]

I have a drive with a phison controller but not from one of those brands

Wait nvm

I forgot that this drive got parts swapped to an innogrit controller after release because of supply chain issues

Any idea if drives with those controllers were affected?

[jagged snow]

I really really want to switch my desktop over to linux

[gilded helm]

I've held off so long the dot is now red instead of amber. Because I already had my SSD 'break' once, if you remember.

[jagged snow]

There are only a few things holding me back

heh
My hwinfo is out of date enough that it doesn't properly report on rx9k

[jagged snow]

I'm very tempted to set up a dualboot

[charred relic]

doit

[soft bloom]

dual boot is the safe option and honestly I would suggest keeping it that away even after for the random "I need Windows for this" moments

[safe trench]

so thats why pacman wont work on steamdeck?

[twin dew]

Yes.
All of the normal file system for program installs is read-only.
And even if you turn it read-write, any changes go away on next system update.

[safe trench]

ok never mind i hate steamos

[glossy glacier]

SteamOS is a dedicated "console PC" OS so I can understand and support why they did things this way

A bit annoying if you need to work around it when running it on your own hw and definitely not something for a main PC

[soft bloom]

www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-09423-y
There are so many repeating words in this
But certain tl;dr is that current known large scale way of storing co2 has limited planet-wide capacity and current policies are not enough to return to 1.5C global warming
Aka, we will continue producing (and storing co2) at same rate nad can kiss goodbye to usual temperature range cause at some point we will also run out of space for storing

[twin dew]

https://chipsandcheese.com/p/amds-rdna4-gpu-architecture-at-hot

[dire igloo]

Is it IG5236?
If so, your drive may be at risk of some other failures related to fast degradation

[jagged snow]

It is

@dire igloo

You have any materials on that?

[dire igloo]

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/1607f07/comment/lga3cb6/

[jagged snow]

Thanks

I think that's the same thread I found

[dire igloo]

https://pcpartpicker.com/forums/topic/431121-smart-problems-with-ssds-using-the-innogrit-ig5236-controller

I could hit up some of the SSD folks I know, but the general gist of it is to avoid any ig5236 drive

[jagged snow]

Cool

I've been using this drive for ~3 years

No issues so far

[dire igloo]

Newmaxx might have more info

[jagged snow]

Noted
I guess I'll just up my disk image frequency

[dire igloo]

Failures depend on usage from what I've heard.
Also, it might be that you have an early batch where shit wasn't broken yet

[jagged snow]

Maybe!

[dire igloo]

First reports of ig5236 failures came in when there was a bad batch of YMTC NAND - but it quickly spread to other nand makers too

[jagged snow]

Hmm
I should check what nand I have

It may help that I have an aftermarket cooler on, I know this controller runs insanely hot

With the stock heatsink I used to see it hit 85c during sustained writes

[dire igloo]

As does any Innoshit controller

[jagged snow]

Yeah

[dire igloo]

IG5220 doesn't have the failure issues but still a hothead

Love me my Maxio stuff ngl

[jagged snow]

I bought this drive because it was supposed to have the e18

And then it got partswapped right before I bought it

[dire igloo]

Yeah, IG5236 on paper should performs similarly but costs less

[jagged snow]

From what I can tell I might have had the first batch with the innogrit controller

[dire igloo]

What drive is it?

[jagged snow]

Sp xs70

[dire igloo]

Ah, yeah, that one

[jagged snow]

Yea

Unfortunately they don't provide any fw updates either

[dire igloo]

You said aftermarket cooler, isn't the stock heatsink glued onto it?

[jagged snow]

So I'm stuck with whatever fw it has

[dire igloo]

Silicon Motion SM2264 is another competitor but it's only really used in like 2 or 3 drives

[jagged snow]

No, just very sticky thermal pads
I've taken the spreaders off of dram plenty of times so I felt comfortable doing it on this drive as well

And I've been using it for quite a while since then with good results

[maiden coyote]

With my own personal experience and all the stories about the issues with ssds... I think hard drives are more reliable

[jagged snow]

Definitely

I have several drives that have been around since before consumer ssds were a thing that're still working fine

[maiden coyote]

Use case depending.. I use hdds to store and backup data, I wouldn't want one in my desktop or laptop.. but in my servers they're perfect

Yeah, but when you look them up everything says they're so much more reliable because no moving parts and in theory sure

[charred relic]

I have hard drives that still work that are older than most of the people in this chat probably heh

That being said I've had plenty that were dead inside 2 years so... there's also that.

Seagate at one point a long long time ago had a bad issue with flakey drives, and I mean flakey literally since a coating on the platters was flaking off and killing drives.

[maiden coyote]

And the ibm deathstars

Maybe it's just that I'm hearing about ssd issues now, and the drive issues were in the past. So far this year I've had to replace 4 ssds that have died or had issues. Samsung, wd, Toshiba, and a Kingston. I've only had one hdd die, and it was doa

[cyan crescent]

My steamdeck skin came in.

[safe trench]

i dont know a single person who bought anything but a shortlinus.com skin/case for their steamdeck

[cyan crescent]

They are good products so thats why people get them

[safe trench]

people hate them for their marketing

tbh its effective

[cyan crescent]

Its funny af

I love it

[safe trench]

they also have the greatest approaches to their fuckups more than any other company ive seen

[ivory dagger]

ive been trying to ask people on more tech support related servers but everyones been ignoring me and this server is usually surprisingly more reliable than the other servers

would anyone be able to help me fix my switch pro controller just not being detected by windows at all. ive tried troubleshooting for a bit now and havent gotten it working. the cable works fine because if i plug it into my sayodevice it works instantly. just when i plug it into my pro controller it acts as if its not connected at all. no usb notif, no red light on the controller, nothing pops up in device manager.

[safe trench]

because were afraid of gr*ss

[ivory dagger]

yeah but surely the people on there would be too youd think...

but i guess not

[safe trench]

also i dont think many people here own nintendo pro controllers

[ivory dagger]

yeah thats true idk i just thought it was worth a shot

its a very niche issue by the looks of it everyone else seems to just plug it in and it lights up and works as soon as you plug it in

but my pc is just ignoring the fact that its been connected at all

i jus wanna play hollow night 😔

[safe trench]

you should also probably reconsider your choices of buying that too

like huge waste of money

[ivory dagger]

buying what

the pro controller

or hollow night

[safe trench]

pro controller

[ivory dagger]

yeah i got it ages ago when i used to actually play on my switch

[pure karma]

i do and it also dosent work on pc lol

[cyan crescent]

Yay. Its so colorful now

[safe trench]

woah that looks so much better than i thought it would

[cyan crescent]

I applied a full cover skin with the killswitch so if i want to take the case off, i have the full coverage

Its finicky to get the case on as to not mess up the skin

[safe trench]

this is a sign i need a deck

[cyan crescent]

Lol. Its going to be great when im on deployment

I’ve replaced the analog sticks with hall effect sticks, upgraded to 2tb internal ssd and a 1tb sd card

[ivory dagger]

interesting... ive just plugged it into my laptop and it works fine i was just playing satisfactory on it lol

but on my desktop its acting like i havent plugged it in at all

nothing whatsoever

ive just updated chipset drivers in hopes that that would help but it hasnt

[soft bloom]

Yesterday i was listening to yt music in tab that wasn't "in front" and it stopped like 20 times in 10 minutes

[soft bloom]

it was quite random, except for one track stopping 3 seconds in

[soft bloom]

maybe you have the same cache issue I had couple times on windows

[languid gulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y_KF235r7A

[languid gulch]

i think he strikes a good balance between nerdy humor and deep dive into technical details

[thin trout]

linus and honey are both evil though

[charred relic]

linus has just always rubbed me the wrong way

and sometimes his videos were just... well incompetence

like that long range wifi thing, like all those people and nobody planned for you know

no line of sight...really? Seriously?

Like yeah lets just open the instructions on the day off...

[languid gulch]

LTT isn't too insane so long as you understand they're far more on the side of entertainment than education

[charred relic]

I'll say he has toned down on what it was that irked me with him

STill though, I like GN moar

gooood let the hate flow through you

[thin trout]

Oh, they're pretty insane. They pirated my friend's program and then Linus was egging on people sending death threats for just having pointed it out.

And that was before e.g. the whole billet waterblock and maddison fiascos, if you didn't believe him before that

[languid gulch]

what program?

[thin trout]

OCCT

[languid gulch]

ok now i have to see the death threats too

god forbid people be sane about simple things

[thin trout]

They're not from linus directly, but peeps like LTT forum users / WANshow viewers. He just did nothing to discourage it, and on the contrary actively fanned the flames

[languid gulch]

oh i'm sure

the amount of dumb shit that these supposed tech nerds choose to post for the world to see

[stiff temple]

What connector is this

It’s on a screen controller board and I swear I seen the other end of it before but I don’t know what it’s called

[safe trench]

i like how linnus was just blaming the entire tech industry while luke was saying pretty much "nah bro its us our content sucks"

[mental oriole]

Never realized how much I hate oop.

[night girder]

Also, what a dick (CEO):

But congrats Gearbox, welcome to the club of the big pricks. Now you can count yourself among the amazing game developer companies everyone loves and cherrish, EA, Activision, Ubisioft and now Gearbox, you made it! And everyone who paid 80 bucks for garbage, you kinda deserve it. It's because of those people, borderlands 5 will be more expensive and even more crap. Because Gearbox just gets away with it.

[dire igloo]

Just now?
(looks at spyware EULA)

[mental oriole]

Ye no thanks, I shouldnt have to upgrade my pc every x years just to be able to play a game that IMO does not look much different than BL 3.

[dire igloo]

I absolutely love the Borderlands franchise, really scratches that itch for me in terms of gameplay.
But god damnit man, put the passion over profit

[dire igloo]

I can 100% understand that it will be harder to run than BL2 and Pre-Sequel.
I can also tolerate higher requirements than BL3 and Wonderlands.

But holy fuck, that's a lame ass response

I haven't seen any BL4 in-game footage and haven't seen benchmarks either.
But I heavily doubt I'm gonna see triple digit fps on high settings QHD

[mental oriole]

My response or?

[pure karma]

first time iv hit 10gbit on a drive lol

[mental oriole]

I should take a year off work and focus on my game...

I technically I can. But Im not doing it.

[night girder]

I don't know. That comment of the CEO, it rubs me the wrong way.

[dire igloo]

Nah, Randy Pitchford

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-guys-not-have-a-phone-blizzard-diablo-gif-5097388828827651695

Gives me that vibe. 🤮

[twin dew]

More of the same, including that specific one:
https://www.ign.com/articles/code-your-own-engine-and-show-us-how-its-done-randy-pitchford-goes-on-the-offensive-as-borderlands-4-pc-performance-row-intensifies

[dire igloo]

cuz it deflects the blame and shows zero interest in actually making the game run well

[mental oriole]

Phew

[night girder]

Fucking idiots. We know more than him about PC's.

[mental oriole]

Did he really say code your own engine?

[night girder]

The last one, to point the finger, is a fucking CEO. They are so clueless.

[mental oriole]

I might one up him on that.

[dire igloo]

Feels very weird to say this, but the only major game dev I've heard good things about lately is actually EA

[night girder]

Yeah, just make a knock off borderlands @mental oriole
When they sue you; "Hey, but the CEO said I had to make my own game. This if fair play!"

[twin dew]

https://x.com/DuvalMagic/status/1966953086448185650

Randy Pitchford (@DuvalMagic)

@Colecypher Code your own engine and show us how it’s done, please. We will be your customer when you pull it off. The people doing it now are clearly dumb and don’t know what they’re doing and all the support and recommendations and code and architecture from the world’s greatest hardware

X · Sep 13, 2025, 7:52 PM

[dire igloo]

Cuz they decided to make a lot of their stuff more accessible

[night girder]

Ok, please somebody Nuke Randy. Like, that dude has no place as a CEO.

He is doing the "Elon Musk" and being edgy with comments or something. Hell nah.

[dire igloo]

This is a very understandable statement if it is actually true
https://x.com/DuvalMagic/status/1966949950857900089

The rest deranged quickly

Randy Pitchford (@DuvalMagic)

We had come CS work prove that through settings tweaks only being able to climb up to 120fps + on PC in BL4 with three and four year old hardware. Your mileage may vary, but please consider using the tools available to you to tune your own balance between FPS, resolution and

X · Sep 13, 2025, 7:39 PM

[night girder]

Just take away his money, his position and give it to someone who cares.

There must be more passionate and smarter people in Gearbox right. With better social skills too.

[night girder]

Excuses, excuses, excuses.... "Game development is hard you know!" - "PC's are complex hardware you know!" 🤣

[twin dew]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1285190/discussions/0/673972930560160694/

Using some advanced profiling tools, it’s clear that most models are created as ultra-high-detail assets, with millions of vertices per model.
So BL4 did this too...

[night girder]

Risk of Rain laughing at them 😄

[twin dew]

This is currently why Nanite is such a bottleneck: the sheer vertex count the engine has to process per frame is enormous,

[night girder]

This aged well.

100% confidence in the game and development trajectory 🤣

[twin dew]

So BL4 too went with just using those ultra-high detail graphical artist raw models direct in the game...

[night girder]

Haha, and he is a Elon fan 🤣 I fucking knew it.

Yeah, not touching Borderlands 4. They lost me with the Tiny Tina stuff.

Also, for the next 5-10 years, are we just going to accept all this "It's UE5 fault" bullshit?

Because if so, I am going for a winter sleep and wait for UE6.

There is only so much hot potato shuffling I can handle.

[dire igloo]

"guys, 240fps in 4k just isn't happening, get a grip" - reasonable

"fucking hell, we have you 60fps at FHD, even 90 if you use FSR performance. Be happy and shut up" - not reasonable

[night girder]

That describes Randy atm. It's our fault. Because we have shit PC systems.

[twin dew]

And when the game is shown in basic profiling to have huge optimization issues, by using engine features wrong.

[night girder]

It's out fault we don't like to spend 80 dollars on a game that barely runs.

It's our fault the game barely runs. It's also our fault they can't develop a decent game. All our fault. Feels terrible.

[dire igloo]

Was that the boring flamethrower announcement?
Elon still had some positive image back then - over seven years ago

[night girder]

Elon made it popular to just tell whatever the fuck you want on social media. Just do whatever to fuck you want. And still hold your position as a CEO.
Now all these CEO's are doing it?

[dire igloo]

Why did they lose you there?
They took borderlands gameplay and combined it with DnD storytelling, it's unusual for the series but quite well executed

[night girder]

Dunno, I watched the trailer, I watched the gameplay. Not my cup. I am more into the old borderlands.

And forgot which it was, but at one point, the villains are just straight annoying (the streamer ones).

[dire igloo]

So probably the dnd aspect

[night girder]

Not like, villain annoying, like "please shut up" and skip cutscene annoying.

[dire igloo]

BL3

BL2 was peak storytelling

I wish we had BL2 story with BL3 gameplay

[night girder]

Anyway, have to go for a bit. back in a few hours.

[mental oriole]

Gl

[dire igloo]

Have fun doing whatever you're doing

Looked up BL4 QHD benchmarks.
Doubt I'll get 100 fps on my 7800xt, even with settings lowered to high and FSR

I can't even speak Czech, let alone do any dubbing

[twin dew]

And the game is probably very CPU dependant from that Nanite stuff etc.

[dire igloo]

Big yikes for my 3800xt

Maybe some RAM oc can give me a bit of catchup

[twin dew]

Which is probably large part of that complain, that the CEO doesn't understand when they only tested on top of the line CPUs with variable GPUs.

As a hunch.

[dire igloo]

Reminds me of the Arc shenanigans with low end AM4

[pure karma]

The fact the chart goes down to 10fps says it all

[wanton orchid]

because it process it per frame
laugh at them
this isn't even half backed then

[twin dew]

Seems there is a cache, but the cache is overwritten in this case every frame as single frames worth of stuff doesn't fit into it.

So that Nanite cache is cache trashing each frame.

[dire igloo]

Looks like RT numbers ngl

Except for RDNA3 perf

[twin dew]

That is at max settings.

Complaining that current computers cannot run on the max is just stupid.
But when the low end performance is crap because of doing stupid unoptimized stuff is real.

[dire igloo]

if I get 30fps at max settings with a reasonable GPU for QHD gaming, I doubt I'll get anywhere close to 100 without severely cutting down visuals

[twin dew]

That "Badass" is the highest preset

[dire igloo]

I know it is

[twin dew]

Just addition to my previous message.

Not reply to yours.

[dire igloo]

Ah ok

Get fucked by community notes

[twin dew]

I personally would expect minimum HW give 30 or 60 FPS at full-HD at lowest preset., without upscaling etc.
And recommended to give 60 FPS at Full-HD or QHD with Medium or High equivalent preset, without upscaling etc.

But my expectations are so out of whack compared to both game companies and most gamers today.

The time of hasty console ports where even max settings didn't even tickle then current gen PCs drove the expectations completely out of whack.

For most people.

[dire igloo]

Minimum specs:
Lowest preset, 720p, 30fps

Recommended specs:
2nd highest preset, QHD, 90fps

Both without RT, upscaling, FrameGen and the likes

The days of 60 fps being the default refresh rate on a gaming setup's monitor are long gone

[twin dew]

But I still see 60 FPS as the "minimum acceptable FPS".

[dire igloo]

Yup. Minimum acceptable.
Nothing I ever wanna see as "recommended" unless it's 4K

Any dev that makes a decently fast paced game and recommends 60fps for it can fuck themselves

And Borderlands is definitely fast paced

[twin dew]

To me: "Minimum specs" is "Can run the game somewhat playably with shittiest settings".
And "Recommended" is "Can run the game actually playably with usable settings".

Where classically that Medium was the actual usable graphics, and going above was tiny bit of difference with large performance penalties.

And then for example High and Ultra above that "default" Medium.

[dire igloo]

Minimum: game runs in some way or form
Recommended: game looks nice and performs well

[twin dew]

But the Xbox 360 / PS2/PS3 game port times led to the expectation among PC players that "Recommended" = everything maxed at high FPS.

[dire igloo]

Yeah, that's dumb

[twin dew]

When today game devs have stopped making actual "Low" settings and presets in most games.

[dire igloo]

But I absolutely loved the 2020 time of devs including preset, resolution and fps in the recommendations

[twin dew]

There should be visible differences between the preset levels, without having to zoom in etc.

[dire igloo]

"this is what you'll need for medium settings at FHD to run with 60fps"

[twin dew]

When IMHO those should be that there is Extra Low for that minimum, with absolute crap graphics.
Then Low, then Medium which is the design target.
And then 2-3 higher presets where the second highest is supposed to run at best HW available at 60 FPS or so, and highest is for future, going for those tiny bits of visual improvements that can be gained with large amounts of extra processing power.

And that that Recommended spec targets that Medium preset at then current normal resolution etc.

[dire igloo]

If medium actually looks good, sure

Lowest
Lower
Default
Higher
Highest

ezpz, zero misunderstanding

Make game run good at default, make lower and lowest give noticable fps uplifts

[twin dew]

That was why I said it to be the design target.
That during most of the dev, only that Extra Low and Medium should be cared about for most part, with the artist models and textures of course need to be made to accommodate the higher ones.
And then near end, the other presets added.

[twin dew]

And IIRC was used long time in the past.

[dire igloo]

idk when it switched tho
I remember older titles where medium looked like shit and I had to choose between nice graphics or good fps

Or settings that are off-high-ultra

While also strongly improving fidelity

On the other hand, RT should be off by default and only included for higher and up

But make it smth like
disabled (default) - enabled - highest

[twin dew]

BL4 only has software or hardware Lumen as options.

[dire igloo]

Adjust the wording for those kinds of shenanigans to tell you "yo, you don't need this to look good"

[twin dew]

No prebaked lighting.

[dire igloo]

Yeesh

[dire igloo]

As a big fan of the Borderlands franchise, it hurts to see the latest release to be such a shitshow

I want my BL3 release criticism back when it was only "annoying antagonists, storytelling feels lazy" and not "go rent some supercomputer time if you wanna play this"

[twin dew]

That Lumen only I do understand in a way.
As doing both RT and classic lighting would have made the work on that side double to quadruple to include the classic lighting.

And light software Lumen in the end isn't that expensive on performance anymore, even when it will look worse than prebaked classic lighting, but then scale with just scalability tweaks to the good visuals.

Without extra works beside selecting the scalability values.

[verbal raft]

the game doesnt actually tell you if it uses HW lumen tho

[cyan crescent]

Any good power bank brands besides anker and ugreen? Trying to find a power bank to replace my anker powercore elite 3. I dont want anything thicker than that one.

[twin dew]

Anker powerbanks just had massive recall for fire risks.

[night girder]

The following products may be affected:

• Anker Power Bank (20,000mAh, 22.5W, Built-In USB-C Cable) — Model A1647
• Anker MagGo Power Bank (10,000mAh, 7.5W) — Model A1652
• Anker Power Bank (10K, 22.5W) — Model A1257
• Anker Zolo Power Bank (20K, 30W, Built-In USB-C and Lightning Cable) — Model A1681
• Anker Zolo Power Bank (20K, 30W, Built-In USB-C Cable) — Model A1689

To be precise.

[twin dew]

So that specific model doesn't seem to have been affected in it.

For your old one.

[cyan crescent]

Its not that im afraid of a fire. Its just been well used and im trying to find one in a similar form factor to attach to the back of my steam deck.

I also use it for wireless vr and stick it in my pocket so i dont want it overly thick

[night girder]

It's more of a warning if you plan to buy a new powerbank for Anker. Make sure to check model.

[cyan crescent]

The powercore elite 3 is 7.22"L x 3.24"W x
0.94"Th

[cyan crescent]

I dont really like any of the new ones from anker. Not the form factor i want and if they are, not as much capacity as i want and doesn’t output the amount of power i want

[pure karma]

theres no such thing as a power bank with enough capacity