off-topic-tech

[glossy glacier]

Or get a pizza box for, idk, 15 bucks.
Advantage: you get pizza
Disadvantage: your PC parts get slightly oily
/s

[twin dew]

Just use the MB box instead.

[languid gulch]

🤣

[twin dew]

And then 8500G would give about same performance on IGP side, and 8600G would give about double.
And that 7600X without dGPU would give about same as the AM5 numbers I gave.

[glossy glacier]

Advantage: PC parts stay clean
Disadvantage: no pizza

[proud aspen]

this? https://de.pcpartpicker.com/user/jennytime9/saved/qwYJmG

[twin dew]

Again has stock cooler included.

And don't know how much that single-channel RAM would affect IGP performance at start.

[proud aspen]

right, forgor

[proud aspen]

but ddr5 8gig is a no no

[glossy glacier]

DDR 5 less than DDR 4 at least

[languid gulch]

ok for $40 i love this

[proud aspen]

no

[languid gulch]

🤣

[glossy glacier]

For 40 yes

[languid gulch]

oh i mean for me

[glossy glacier]

Oh, the didn't connect any the cables in the picture

[twin dew]

8GB DDR5 gives about 10% less performance on RAM bandwidth.
Going single-channel gives 50% less performance on RAM bandwidth.

[proud aspen]

finnnnnne

[twin dew]

8GB vs 16+GB sticks.

[languid gulch]

didn't notice that. so what you save in case cost you'll spend in custom cables

[twin dew]

Also, that 8600G with double IGP size costs 24e more.

[proud aspen]

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/user/jennytime9/saved/qwYJmG im leaving enough to fate rn just to get a concept before choosing actual parts

[glossy glacier]

A power board would be great for this

[proud aspen]

also, it removes the annoyance of nerds telling me what cases and psus are bad

[languid gulch]

just realized that a case config like that would be super sexy with the new reverse socket mobos coming out

[proud aspen]

litterally just stole my words

how dare you

[languid gulch]

🤣

[twin dew]

Yeah, but anyways, going even with just 1x8GB at start would be ok start.
Then add second identical stick once you can.
Going with 1x16GB and then adding second identical stick would be better.

[proud aspen]

hmm

price aint too different, 2x16 it is ig

[languid gulch]

yea, there is such a thing as going too cheap

[proud aspen]

budget is 570 and we are around 450

[twin dew]

That 8GB of RAM+VRAM will cause issues as save grows of course, so 1x16GB or 2x8GB allows to run for longer before problems from that.
With 2x8GB giving about 180% RAM bandwidth compared to 1x 16GB, but 90% of 2x16GB.

[proud aspen]

shoosh

[languid gulch]

i'd rather you pay €5 more now than have to pay an extra €40 in like a month

[proud aspen]

also here

for like 20 more

any other fusses?

^^ https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/6jymsp

[languid gulch]

780M igpu beats the GTX1650

[twin dew]

That is the 12CU part, 8600G has 8CU, 8500G has 4CU.

[languid gulch]

aww damn

ouchie, big hit

[twin dew]

But still about 66% of that, and is useful performance.

[languid gulch]

knocks it down to 1050 territory

but yea, great for an igpu

just terrible vs dedicated

[twin dew]

But playable for Satisfactory, and can then at some point get dGPU.

[languid gulch]

definitely

[twin dew]

Still contains that cooler, yes, that is better than the stock one, but stock one does work, just noisy at load.
MB might limit to using 120W TDP max CPUs, but that does include 7800X3D and 9800X3D, at least without top-down cooler like the stock AMD one.
Officially supports all up to 170W TDP, but the VRM might not actually allow running those at full load.
Gigabyte has 4 different revisions of the "same" MB, not going to check for differences.

SSDs are always up for debate, but in this case even cheapest QLC is usable, even when they aren't good.
Would need to look lot closer to see what would be good deal right now.

Case is at least ok, again, would need to closer look and cases are lot about personal preference.
And still that point that you can run without case if no free pets.

PSU is almost certainly crap, but will work for at least a time.
There was that tier list posted earlier to help choosing PSU.
And that 450W and even much lower is ok without dGPU, but that 450W would limit dGPU selection later.

Large enough MB revision differences that they have separate product pages, for small production changes they are shared, when actual specs don't change.

Ok, on the actual spec listing only difference is higher RAM speeds on newer revisions.

But the exact selections should be done inside few days of the actual buy anyways.

[proud aspen]

Actual selection, im presuming, will bring it up by like 20-30eur but that should work fine

[willow pike]

https://youtu.be/1H3xQaf7BFI

https://tenor.com/view/frankenstein-its-alive-happy-excited-gif-5625959

[proud aspen]

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/user/jennytime9/saved/qwYJmG first thoughts

[twin dew]

Better MB.
SSD is HMB with TLC-NAND with either Phison E13 or SM2263XT controller, so ok IMHO.

For PSU, that yesterday linked site that combines PCPartsPicker prices and PSU Tier list gives following recommendations for PSU, for cheapest 550W and 650W units:
C- tier:
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/XrDnTW/montech-apx-550-w-80-certified-atx-power-supply-apx-550w
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/hcbypg/montech-apx-650-w-80-certified-atx-power-supply-apx-650w
C tier:
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/mnVmP6/msi-mag-a550bn-550-w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-mag-a550bn
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/8LNxFT/msi-mag-a-bn-650-w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-mag-a650bn
C+ tier:
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/NJzFf7/adata-xpg-pylon-550-w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-pylon550b-bkcus
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/LWYQzy/adata-xpg-pylon-650-w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-pylon650b-bkcus

Where that C+ tier 550W Adata XPG would be 41e.

That current Deepcool PF500 isn't on the tier list at this time.

55e for 650W Adata XPG Pylon.

That C- tier Montech 550W would be 38e.

https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/ explanation of the tiers in expandable part near top.

B- tier stuff starts at 80e.

Ah, that other site had somewhat different tiers, in the lower down on the page:
https://cheesysponge.github.io/psuTierSorter/tierAccess.html

[willow pike]

i will never not be amazed that you can recite all this off the dome

[twin dew]

I didn't recite off my head, did lot of checking after that question was posted.

That DeepCool PF-series is E-tier on that SPLs PSU tier list.

[proud aspen]

it's technically not hard after a few times.

[proud aspen]

yh, didnt actually bother to check lmao

hmmmm

[twin dew]

Yeah, but when that 550W C+ tier Adata XPG Pylon is 41e, wouldn't go for anything less.

With that 650W one for 55e.

[proud aspen]

c?

[twin dew]

Yeah, that one, that other list then does subdivisions, C-, C, C+.

So 38e for that C- Montech APX 550W, and 41e for C+ Adata XPG Pylon 550W.

[pure karma]

dang my school fixed game streaming rip lol

[verbal raft]

but at least you cant really run out of VRAM on the IGP
unlike on a 1050/1650

[twin dew]

When that D tier 450W PSU was 35e

[pure karma]

guess im back to sniffing glue and bitchign about having 30 minutes of battery life

[proud aspen]

hä

[pure karma]

honestly its not even the battery life thats the worst part its the fact it takes 10 minutes to launch any decent game

which is absurd on a m.2

[proud aspen]

i dont think its the m.2

[verbal raft]

plus

you can technically run FSR 4 on it : D

technically

[pure karma]

no ik its just cpu instability but still insane and unbearable

a cpu hitting decimal value MHZ isent exactly gonna be responsive

[verbal raft]

[12ms for FSR 4 at 360p be like ]

[pure karma]

but ay atleast it has 10 cores lmao

[proud aspen]

should we free up this chat and fill up #1404501364318539939 again?

[proud aspen]

nah, 400p>

[pure karma]

thats what this chat is for

[proud aspen]

moi

my insecurities and problems

[verbal raft]

wait

[pure karma]

random tech stuff pilled up on top of itself at anytime

[verbal raft]

no, i lied
its 7ms for 720p

VS~~ FSR 3.1~~ XeSS's 4ms

[proud aspen]

hmmmm

functionable

[verbal raft]

32 to 30

[verbal raft]

*XeSS's 4ms

(the 4ms was XeSS im blind)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wBGgt3r2NA

ignore the friggin' AI voiceover

[verbal raft]

not unplayable tho it will hit your fps quite a bit especially at higher fps overall

[jagged snow]

YouTube marketing is wild

"Try nicotine pouches for 10 days for free and then we'll give you a bunch more at a discount"

And it's framed as a "challenge"

[charred relic]

That is... so incredibly brain dead

And also a disgusting move for somebody to even market that for a company... If you aren't already addicted to nicotine just avoid it like the plague, trust me.

[jagged snow]

Yep

[charred relic]

For that matter nicotine itself isn't even really dangerous, it's on par with caffeine and in fact both are similar in other ways.

But most methods used to get the nictotine have proven to be very problematic.

smoking tobacco being extremely bad... but orally has caused mouth cancers

[jagged snow]

Caffeine is more regulated than nicotine patches, interestingly

Yeah

[charred relic]

But yeah nicotine on it's own isn't even incredibly addictive... about like caffine

In tobacco though there are other compounds that increase it's addictiveness

an MAIO

Combine them and it's now super super addictive

[jagged snow]

Caffine is also quite addictive in the right circumstances (also gets more so when combined with other compounds)

[charred relic]

from caffeine level to heroin level heh

[jagged snow]

Fun

[charred relic]

yeah

so far vaping it is the safest

i mean that method has been used to get meds into lungs for ages with no problems

Problem is ultimately it's just a monkey sink, you don't relaly get anything from it

If you need a stimulant caffine is far more convenient

[jagged snow]

And it's also still far from safe

[charred relic]

I must say I do enjoy a nice cigar from time to time... but the prices are so high these days

I don't smoke gas station bullshit heh

[jagged snow]

And vape is essentially unregulated and has problems with dangerous cheaply produced products

Now I'm getting advertised an investment app that automatically mirrors politicians stock moves

[charred relic]

The manufacturers here have been mostly fine

There was one company that had a big issue because they were using titanium dioxide as a coloring to give it a milky white appearance

and uhhh yeah shouldn't be inhaling that...ever

Wet and vaporized it might even be fine problem is that hasn't been studied and we already know just breathing it in is very bad

[jagged snow]

Yeahh

[charred relic]

The real question mark is the flavorings honestly

the glycol bases have been used for that same thing for decades

And as long as your kanthal isn't overheating, which is normally shouldn't, you won't be offgassing metals from the coil

most resistive wire used goes from totally safe to throwing out some pretty nasty gasses just chock full of metal atoms

past a certain temp

That's why that 2009 FDA study is worthless... they were testing "dry hit" conditions. I'd expect the exact result they got. Nobody sits there puffing on their vape 1000 time back to back to back...

[languid gulch]

i'm yet to see inhaling literal smoke as "safe"

[charred relic]

It's not smoke

vapor isn't anything even close to smoke...

[languid gulch]

it's burned byproducts

[charred relic]

other than it looks similar lol

nothing is birning in a vape bro

if it's functioning normally there is no borning

no combution

no smoke

if it's a foggy morning do you just... assume there's a massive fire?

or do you realize who that's water vapor not smoke

does it... choke you out?

exactly...

[languid gulch]

wow dude

someone has a case of the mondays

[charred relic]

my mother is allergic to cigarette smoke

guess what... she can sit right next to somebody vaping no problem

weird...weird

it's almost like it's...not the same!

[languid gulch]

you proud of yourself?

[charred relic]

no dude sorry

but

acting like vapor is the same as smoke is fucking bone headed on new level man

[languid gulch]

had to read, last i heard the heating element scorched the liquid

[charred relic]

like that demonstrates even a basic understanding of science heh

no it... boils is basically

[languid gulch]

i'm not a smoker or vaper, i had to read

all i know is i fucking hate both

[charred relic]

and if the wire does get too hot it CAN offgass... metals

but that rarely ever happens espeically in current year with the stuff they use now

also you will hit a dry vape ONCE... trust me

you won't hit again until you're sure it's wet because it hurts the back of your throat man

[languid gulch]

not a vaper, so 0 issues there

[charred relic]

and it tastes disgusting

like a burned atomizer tastes worse than a cigarette lol

way way worse

Even back when the tech was terrible I had maybe... 3 bad dry hits ever

Some stuff now it's virtually impossible to happen because it's temp controlled, as soon as the temp start to shoot up it'll just lower the power or shut off entirely

But just like the pouches or anything else if somebody isn't hooked on it already just avoid it, there's nothing good to be gained.

100% safe or not doesn't even really matter, it's just going to waste money heh

smoking is def in the top 10 dumbest things i've ever done in my life... and i've done a lot of really dumb shit

[verbal raft]

allright
lets see
do i crash ?

[charred relic]

If I turn all that on I go from playing a video game to watching a slideshow

[pure karma]

YES I FIGURED OUT A THING

begone economy cores i dont want makign a bunch of extra heat

it already feels so much more responsive not having 6 cores raming the clocks down to decimal MHZ values lmao

not running performance mode and im on battery power but 50C is promising

[verbal raft]

seems promising

last time i tried PT on cyberprank i had 15GB+ VRAM usage

now im down to 8

[pure karma]

15GB is crazy

max settings or no? cause i see you had density on medium

[verbal raft]

density is the only thing that isnt maxed (well if we ignore SR)

everything else is maxed

including PT/RT

[night girder]

If you use any of these NPM packages. You might be f'cked.

www.aikido.dev/blog/npm-debug-and-chalk-packages-compromised

The packages were updated to contain a piece of code that would be executed on the client of a website, which silently intercepts crypto and web3 activity in the browser, manipulates wallet interactions, and rewrites payment destinations so that funds and approvals are redirected to attacker-controlled accounts without any obvious signs to the user.

[jagged snow]

Oh that's great
The concern with those isn't so much me using them directly as them being somewhere way down my dep tree

[proud aspen]

thoughts?

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/qP2KrM

[twin dew]

That is that 9900X that is bad buy for gaming, and somewhat bad buy for work.

9800X3D for gaming, 9950X for CPU intensive multithreaded work, 9950X3D for both.

[night girder]

So the budget wasn't this?

[twin dew]

Probably another dreaming list.

[proud aspen]

it is

[night girder]

Oh, ignore me then.

[proud aspen]

^^

but other than the cpu?

[twin dew]

Not off enough for me to care and to try to drill down more for dreaming list.

[proud aspen]

the price difference is holy shite

[proud aspen]

fair

[twin dew]

Point is that for gaming system, you want 9800X3D, not the dual-CCD parts.
And for actual work, the extra 4 cores on the 9950X(3D) pay themselves back pretty quickly, so no reason to use 9900X(3D).

[night girder]

Who uses MiB

[charred relic]

I see it quite a bit...

[twin dew]

The official power of two units?

Should be used at this time everywhere with bytes.

[proud aspen]

tech companies

[night girder]

ffs. Just use GB as every normal human.

[twin dew]

GiB then.

[proud aspen]

uhhhhhhhhh

[charred relic]

See now it's a matter of perspective

[night girder]

Not GiB. GB.

[twin dew]

And that first would be weird as GiB.

[charred relic]

you're the unusual human to them 🙂

[night girder]

Not Gigibyte, Gigabyte.

or Gigabit. Gigibit.

[twin dew]

GB can mean power of 10, or power of 2 at this time.

And when the actual stuff is mostly power of two where Bytes are used.

[proud aspen]

YK, GiB is actually the non-norm - people started cooling KB 1000 so we had to rename the KB to KiB

[twin dew]

So GiB would be the right unit.

[night girder]

"right" ?

seems subjective opinion.

[proud aspen]

yh

[proud aspen]

more matter of fact by the way computers work

[night girder]

Look it's everywhere. It's all I am saying.

Then suddenly somewhere starts throwing GiB's, MiB's at me. It is confusing 😄

[twin dew]

Windows is using them wrong.
Windows is showing GiB and TiB, but labeling as GB and TB.

[night girder]

Windows can't be wrong.

[proud aspen]

So how many MB is a GB myguy

[charred relic]

You were going to come across it sooner or later

[night girder]

please noooo

[charred relic]

Surprising it took so long really...

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/hell-damnit-awful-this-is-my-hell-ron-swanson-gif-7366346

[twin dew]

Officially GB would be 1000000000 Bytes.
While GiB is 1073741824 Bytes.

[charred relic]

Somebody who is used to mibi will tend to use that..

[night girder]

This is just part of them. Aren't we going a bit too crazy here?

[twin dew]

Gi is 2^30.
G is 10^9.

[proud aspen]

yes you know that number off by heart... why?

[twin dew]

No, had to calculate.

[proud aspen]

phew

[charred relic]

I ran something once that used that system almost exclusevily, I just found it annoying but that's because t's not what I use and i had to figure out what it equated to

[twin dew]

Basically computer people started to use the closest SI prefixes for power of 10:s for computer stuff with power of 2:s.
Until HDD manufacturers started to use power of 10:s because that inflated the sizes.
And then the stuff got so messy that those official power of two prefixes were added.

[night girder]

I am so blessed we have AI for this shit.

To convert Mebibytes (MiB) to Gigabytes (GB), you can use the conversion factor where 1 MiB is approximately 0.001048576 GB. For example, to convert 10 MiB, multiply by this factor to get about 0.01048576 GB.

[charred relic]

Yeah this was way before AI unfortunately

[night girder]

Like if I didn't know that I had to multiply by 0.01048576 omg... I would be so lost.

[charred relic]

It was a minor thing, but the point is it was an extra step I had to stop and do to continue.

[proud aspen]

doesnt work like that

[night girder]

The moment we need to use converers, something is not efficient.

[proud aspen]

it's /2 till you get the lower number you want or x2 till you get the higher number you want

[night girder]

[night girder]

Local news claims: this GPU will be released.
Comment section claims: this GPU will not be released and is modded to 128GB.

[twin dew]

So kB used to mean 1024 Bytes (2^10), but was unofficial use.
Officially in SI system kB means 1000 Bytes (10^3), KiB is explicitly 1024 Bytes (2^10).
And so on with MB being 10^6, MiB being 2^20, GB being 10^9, GiB being 2^30, TB being 10^12, TiB being 2^40.

Blame the HDD manufacturers during 90s for this fuckup.

[night girder]

That's one thing I will agree with Baldur.

It's a fuckup.

[twin dew]

MS is still using power of two in those screens, but still using the old style unofficial units, which are now mess.

[night girder]

Like imagine if we had a measurement system and suddenly somebody starts counting in different measurements. Like feet. And miles. Can you imagine that confusion?

[safe trench]

k so why dont they double it

[night girder]

you looked at power consumption?

Maybe heat. Not sure.

This is source;

[twin dew]

But everyone was using the same "perversion" of SI system prefixes in computer space, until the HDD manufacturer marketing departments switched and stuff went impossible to know.

And now software people in various parts still haven't updated to the new explicit units.

So when you see MB, GB, TB etc. you cannot know how much that is, unless you check the often hidden or subtext spec on which one is being used, power of ten SI, or power of two legacy computer.

[safe trench]

another 12 volt high failure rate connector then

[twin dew]

And Windows is currently on the wrong side, using the SI prefixes for power of two units, like we were still in early 90s.

[safe trench]

i use arch btw

[night girder]

Arch is wrong.

[twin dew]

That new spec for power of two prefixes was standardized in 1999.

[night girder]

Apple is wrong. But some random screenshot of a 5090 using MiB is right 😭

[twin dew]

RAM and VRAM are still in power of two in all cases, even those 24GiB dies.

[glossy glacier]

Yeah, windows is all over the place and most of the time wrong xD

[twin dew]

Same with Flash.
HDDs are only place where power of ten can be the actual implementation for the size.

[safe trench]

your punishment is public execution by hanging

[twin dew]

Everything else on computer tech is powers of two.

[night girder]

The short answer is powers of 2 are easy for electronics and powers of 10 are easy for humans.

Bamn. In a nutshell.

[glossy glacier]

For people working in IT: binary/SI
For people using Tech: decimal

[night girder]

A bunch of geeks saying it has to be this. And a bunch of humans looking at it and saying nah, too difficult for my head 🤣

[twin dew]

And point is, that writing kB (1000 Bytes), when you mean KiB (1024 Bytes) is just wrong, and confusing.

[night girder]

Did I ever say anything else? That's a point you making to... I don't know who.

[glossy glacier]

Most people still do it for everyday use

[safe trench]

the saying "we could never do that" now means "i couldnt do that"

[twin dew]

Yeah, and MS is using it wrong in most places, still, even after 25 years of actual spec.

[night girder]

All I said; this is confusing. And please stop (the world) making simple thing complex

Like kilometers and miles. FFS. We had one unit. Just take it. Don't create something different because you can for no reason.

[charred relic]

you're welcome

[night girder]

Atleast here there is some logic 😄

[charred relic]

We also bastardized the Kings english...

[glossy glacier]

No, that's just English/American people being stubborn

[night girder]

But still, once you need a convert that gives you 20-30 options, you could start to wonder if we aren't makings things overcomplex.

[charred relic]

again... you're very welcome 😄

[night girder]

Then again, IT people like things harder than it should be 🤣

[charred relic]

It was nothing really... not even an inconvenience

[night girder]

To show off big brain or something.

[twin dew]

We had things "simple" by repurposing the standard prefixes as there wasn't actual powers of two standard.
Then marketing fucked that simple state to get higher numbers for same hardware and stuff got complex.
And it is still complex, because even after 25+ years, software and people still haven't switched to the new standard.

[charred relic]

we did get a chuckle when we got to the whole inches and feet thing

[night girder]

Microsoft is really to blame for this then.

[charred relic]

it was a real side splitter in the moment lemme tell ya

[night girder]

I was thinking; kinda funny how Microsoft is used in professional work environments?

Would you use tools in a car repair shop, that weren't using the correct measurements etc?

[charred relic]

eh my friend works for a large IT company they use MS shit

they all run around with surface notebooks... use all their stuff internally

really the tools don't matter as much as the brain behind it anyhow

[glossy glacier]

MS Surface devices... Exist.
Some interesting ideas, but mostly overpriced garbage

[charred relic]

I'll use a wrech to tighten or loosen a bolt.. a monkey might use it to beat it's own testicles... ya know

[twin dew]

But lot more in the History section about the whole clusterfuck.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix

[night girder]

But to use a OS, that doesn't even show the data in correct format (MiB) doesn't give me confidence, for professional environment.

[charred relic]

now im picturing a monkey with a "monkey wrench" beating it's own balls with it

[glossy glacier]

It does, just not in the most prominent places

[charred relic]

Well maybe but either way it's the best way for that company to do what it needs to do honestly

[twin dew]

Professionals know.
And MS is afraid that adding the "i":s will confuse normal consumers too much.
Almost certainly same with Apple.

[night girder]

Everywhere I look it says GB, TB etc.

[charred relic]

them switching to another OS would be far worse

[night girder]

That's dumb logic.

"Hey man, you ruler seems off..." - "Oh I know, just add 0.5 to everything" ...

[twin dew]

Yes, but when you check the exact details, and calculate the size from bytes, you see that MS is still using powers of two, and not powers of ten.

[charred relic]

They also need everything foled in... laptops, phones, tablets yada yada

[night girder]

It's not the professionals who should know it. It's not their responsibility, let me phrase it like that.

MS should just do it.

[night girder]

They fucking switched their whole startmenu, to the fucking center.

If their consumers can handle that, they can handle a little i being added. To MiB, GiB, TiB.

[charred relic]

My friend actually, generally speaking, likes the system

[twin dew]

Yup, MS should have done it long long time ago already.

[charred relic]

Brain dead end users often cause issues but that's not the systems fault

[night girder]

Microsoft have done more drastic things than that.

Microsoft will do what they want to do. And find excuses for what they don't want to do.

And user input, has little to do with any of the two. They just do whatever the fuck they want. Same for Apple.

[charred relic]

they had a stretch way back of bad press because... well windows was pretty fuckin unstable tbh

[charred relic]

Always said 95 as shipped was a mistake and they should have bit the bullet and migrated it all to NT right there heh

[twin dew]

So didn't really help.

[charred relic]

would have avoide ALL of that

[night girder]

So seems no way. Not even a toggle. Or registry. Or pro feature.

[twin dew]

Yeah, would need edit to language files.

[night girder]

User; "Hey I got this problem with your OS"
OS maker; "Install this 3rd party tool"

😄

[charred relic]

I don't use them anymore because i don't really care or need the features but there are plenty of file explorers that blow the baked in one out of the water

or at least used to be... surely there still are

[twin dew]

Most of those "helpers" aren't even MS employees, like this one explicitly states as the role.

[charred relic]

like being able to open an FTP site and just drag files into it like it's a drive

[night girder]

I know. I don't know where they find these people.

[charred relic]

well you didn't even have to open it... t would connect if you tried to copy there

[twin dew]

And the worst part is that those official helpers don't even have avenues to report stuff to actual MS people...

[night girder]

All I know is that "I am Arnold and I am here to help you" is a warning to get out asap.

[night girder]

Apple isn't better.

[night girder]

And this is also stupid imo.

Does english have a concept of 1st and 2nd line? Like the flow of calls when you call a callcenter?

[charred relic]

Look they gotta figure out a way to save a few more nickels to line their pockets with

🙂

[night girder]

"First line" is the first person you speak too that will tell you to turn it on and off.
"Second line" is the second person you speak too, that will try to help you more and goes indepth etc. It's an escalation of help depending on if they can fix it or not lol.

Anyway, first line feedback is so valueable for developers and a team.

[twin dew]

MS scrapped all actual internal help people.
And externalized some, with no actual contact from those companies to inside MS.

[night girder]

Nice, a bubble.

[twin dew]

Only current actual feedback to in theory to MS has to go through the "Feedback Hub" reports.
But they only read the stuff with lot of upvotes.

So actual problems get swamped and never seen.

[night girder]

was it public feedback hub? Like satisfactory forum/QA I believe?

[twin dew]

Program installed by default in all Win10 and Win11 computers.

[night girder]

So blackbox. You put in your thing and poof that's it.

I like public more, you can look up issues, add extra comments to it. Upvote it.

You sometimes can see that it got picked up by a teammember of the company.

[twin dew]

Basically like the QA site, but in app instead.
But basically as everything ISN'T monitored, only issues that affect lot of consumers actually get seen.
Enough for people to open the app and find suitable post.

For example that camera fuckup many years back where lot of webcams etc. stopped working after update was reported on that Feedback hub multiple months before from Insider branch people, but it didn't get visibility, and wasn't noticed by MS people.

[night girder]

And MS doesn't even care I think.

The less they have to deal with "plebs" the better it is so they can make the features they have in their head. (At this point, put AI into everything)

[twin dew]

Lower levels might care, but the people deciding don't.

[night girder]

Yeah lower levels out of the picture here.

They just do whatever they are ordered to do. But I mean, peeps that make the descisions.

We got the order once to actually start making more connections with consumers and gather more direct feedback.

At one point, the company send out a team on the streets to interview people about the product/app.

[charred relic]

not sure how a boxed version works but back in the day windows issues were pc makers issues

they just passed the buck on all support to the pc maker

[twin dew]

Basically drop internal QA, externalize that to prosumers (on Insider branches) and consumers, and then put up bug report system, but don't monitor that either...

[night girder]

And it's not hard for Microsoft to find users 🤣

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/starcraft-void-hungers-protoss-gif-4480944868364744440

[charred relic]

Pretty sure direct support from Microsoft is a unicorn that shits rainbow ice cream and farts glitter

[night girder]

Apple has direct support. But they are like AI.

[charred relic]

Yeah AI works perfeclty im sure

where was it that rolled that out... mcdonalds or some fast food place

somebody ordered a medium soda and it's asking what they want to drink with that

[safe trench]

so someone finally notices that AI is just a buzzword for computers that act like drunk people?

[charred relic]

or somebody ended up with like dozens of drinks on the order

[night girder]

No.

[safe trench]

ok then nevermind

[night girder]

I have a hard time wording it.

I am sure there is a word for it.

But AI is very slimy, pleasing, "omfg, that sir, is an AMAZING idea!" ...

and Apple support is also kinda like that. Way too friendly. Sleezy?

[safe trench]

ai summaries summarize like a person when drunk

[charred relic]

"I'll take a medium coke"... "what would you like to drink with that?"

or... better watch wording i said take...

[night girder]

south park recent episodes are about the AI being... a suckup. a pleaser.

[charred relic]

"I'll take a medium coke"... -AI calls cops for theft

[night girder]

It's just a mind trick they play on you.

[charred relic]

i said i'd TAKE it

the possibilities are endless

[safe trench]

dont forget intel too

[charred relic]

hhahahaha

I would never even consider...

[safe trench]

they pull up the most irrevlant forum support things or whatever the fuck they call them

[charred relic]

what was that other one... somebody ended up with bacon in their coffee

So yeah.. AI really is like a drunk person lol

[pure karma]

that sounds like pure aids to use

[safe trench]

Genuis!!

[pure karma]

its an extra 33% effort each time

[charred relic]

They probably ordered bacon and coffee and AI was like welp guess they go together SHRUG

Maybe the AI is actually really really smart and it's just fuckin with us... o.O

[night girder]

So no MiB GiB TiB?

but it is the standard

[charred relic]

AI troll

[pure karma]

iv nerver seen it anywhere if it is

[safe trench]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qCw5r0SqwQ dont forget about this one

[twin dew]

But clearing routes in Death Stranding 1 by permanently killing all BTs...

[safe trench]

"just promise me, the ai workers will take your job"

[charred relic]

All I know is... I can def confirm that powers of 2... anything by the 2's is super easy with circuits

the rest... i don't care what it's called or what somebody calls it... I know at least roughly what it is and that's close enough since I don't require precision with that stuff... SHRUG

Now if I needed precision on a regular basis it would annoy me.. but yeah

[night girder]

I am so happy, that machine and the sausage wasn't Adam. And the bun Eva. There would have been no humanity 🤣

Just too funny 🤣

[twin dew]

Need to get late game upgrade, and then sneak right up to each and every one of them to execute attack...

[charred relic]

My my look at the time... It's Demeo o'clock

[night girder]

Gotta love this piracy talks 😄 ( 👀 other off topic channel)

No no, it's completely save. I've never had spyware and viruses 🤣 As if they are so obvious to spot and find.

[visual tree]

*starts hearing "shop like a millionaire" advertisement song

I should install the app on an old phone I don't use, create a proton email and then use it to sign up for temu just to see if I'm going to start receiving spam

Might as well use burner sim card

Because a lot of people claim they started receiving spam and scam calls as soon as they installed Temu and signed up

[charred relic]

Kill Demeo mobs... or maybe kill Jeb. Which to choose...

Welp good luck to Jeb...

[pure karma]

well yea obviously

when your information is out there against your will its just a matter of time before someone exploits it

[night girder]

you make me proud, that you use proton. Hell yeah 🤘

[glossy glacier]

sometimes, when i remember IPv4 loopback is a /8 space, i am tempted to tell people to use 127.42.77.64 instead of boring old 127.0.0.1

[night girder]

some french bloke start spamming me about a youtube job.

tried to call me twice last week. Now a SMS.

100-300 euro a day. There is a big difference. Between 100. And 300.

[visual tree]

I opened proton email recently to spam our MEP's regarding EU Chat control and in order to hide identity lol

[twin dew]

And for some reason IPv6 only has single address for localhost...

[night girder]

Proton is on a good track imo.

Trying to offfer a replacement for everything google, microsoft and apple service.

So we got a good EU alternative.

Untill it goes to their head, they say fuck privacy, and start selling our data. I am camp Proton.

[glossy glacier]

all the opportunists lost D:

[visual tree]

I hope this doesn't happen but we will see 🙏

[night girder]

Proton even has their own authenticator.

Which had a little bug. haha

storing everything in plain text in logging 🤣

what you want of a 2 factor authentication app 😄

[visual tree]

Ouch

[night girder]

Yup. It was brand new product. For context.

[twin dew]

So debug functionality left in the final release by mistake.

[night girder]

Yeah, for iOS. Shit happens. Still not the best.

Better prevent. Especially with a new product.

You want to win over people, not turn em off.

But fixed quickly afaik.

[pure karma]

i aprove of this

[night girder]

All hackers; "ah c'mon man, why do you have to fix this" 🤣

[visual tree]

Remember when Google Authenticator didn't have "backup codes" option a while ago? It was a nightmare when you got a new phone or had to do factory reset....

They should have added that option from the start imo

[night girder]

serious?

I been resetting/contacting support for a day after I got my new phone.

[glossy glacier]

yeah

[visual tree]

I think they added that 2 or more years ago

[night girder]

Because it didn't have the freaking back up codes 😠

And my old phone just died. So no access. It was not a pleasant experience.

[visual tree]

Almost moved to other authenticator app because of that

[night girder]

I've been mailing, with one company, for two months!

They replied once a week. With stuff like; "What is your name again?"

Next week; "And your e-mail?"

[twin dew]

Trying to force people to use their Google Account as the backup method.

[night girder]

Next next week; "What is your bank account?" 🤣

[twin dew]

Which kind of defeats the purpose of authenticator.

[night girder]

After 2 months, I got my account back. But I emailed them; all good. Rather that you do a good check then just take away 2FA off my account 👍

After it, I contemplated to remove 2FA (app) alltogether. Or switch to mail 2FA.

[visual tree]

Wait till they ask you for an ID number and you give them a different one because you recently renewed an ID

[night girder]

At one point, I was a bit sus, because they asked weird questions.

And it was a russian company.

I think they moved their base of operation, not sure.

[visual tree]

And they will be like: "Sorry, your ID number doesn't match, guess you'll be locked out of your account"

[night girder]

And even worse was when another one asked me my secret questions.

That I filled in 14 years ago 🤣

"What was the name of your first pet?" "What is your favorite game?" (this one had me pull my hairs out, I really couldn't remember what my favorite game was back then).

[visual tree]

I was mad and tried to explain that you renew ID card here every 5 years and obviously get a new ID number but they didn't care....

[night girder]

Yeah, or I should switch to proton authenticator but yeah ...

not fun losing access to 2FA.

[visual tree]

Btw, our company outsourced SAP procurement support to India and I feel like those guys used AI to interpret what I am asking them to do...

While firing our own people because they are "too expensive"

[twin dew]

Time to start looking for new employer then.

[visual tree]

Maybe in a year or two....

[night girder]

plot twist; they all want AI now 🤣

[twin dew]

Either the project is scrapped, and more cuts made to pay for new attempt.
Project is kept going, and more cuts made to pay for the overruns.
Or the project is put into use, and is so horrible that no sane person stays in the company, and the company goes under with time.

[visual tree]

They won't fire me because the whole department would fall apart if I quit or left and my superior (he is great btw) would be overloaded with work

[night girder]

No one is unmissable. Or not replaceable? 🤔

The amount of time i heard people say they are "not replaceable" on their job, then started to act superior* and get yeeted out ...

[quasi citrus]

You could try impersonating ai

[visual tree]

I am replaceable but you would need someone to know everything from the first day and that's impossible. I learned how to do my tasks through years

[night girder]

"Wow, that's an amazing idea. I really like that. Let's go over that."

[twin dew]

Point was to start looking, so you can actually select a good place during those couple of years.

And don't have to jump ship at minimal notice.

[quasi citrus]

Don't stay for your superior though 🙂

[quasi citrus]

Hired.

[visual tree]

It's not a position where you can simply open word document and write instructions for a new employee, it takes years of education

[quasi citrus]

Please calculate 1-3+5

[night girder]

1-3 = -10.
-10 + 5 = - 15.
The answer is -15.

[twin dew]

Would you like fries with that?

[quasi citrus]

Fair. Not your fault if the company does not provide solutions for knowledge transfer. What would happen if you had an accident and wouldn't be able to make it into office for 6 months?

[night girder]

If they really want.

[quasi citrus]

Hired. As I said. Hired

[visual tree]

Big trouble 😅

[night girder]

@visual tree Not disrespecting what you have done to get to whatever position you are at. But I've seen managers get fired in the middle of a project.

Me and the team were just standing there after our lunch, with no clue what was going on besides that his desk was empty.

a few hours later a manager-manager, I don't know, someone important, came down and told us he got fired.

They pointed to someone else, our lead and told him. You got it untill we find someone new. And on we went. The benefits of a self sufficient team.

We did have a scrum master to help out.

[visual tree]

My projects are a little tricky since they are important government projects and abandoning them would mean bad public reputation for the company

[night girder]

It was a goverment project too.

We were handling the database of a big goverment project. To find jobs etc. Employement.

[twin dew]

Seems that asablic is the only competent person in the department, unofficially above the rest of the peons, but under lowest level manager, or something like that.
Basically indispensible, but only that lowest level manager knows that.

Pretty common occurance.

[night girder]

doens't mean untouchable 🤷‍♂️

we still speaking corpo's here.

[twin dew]

Yup.

[night girder]

Would 100% fuck em over though 🤣 But still a corporation decision.

[twin dew]

That was the point on that the closest manager knows, but the higher ups probably don't or might not just care.

[visual tree]

Oh, we have a lot of competent people in the department but every person is an expert in their field and if someone quit, there would be a huge disruption since it's very difficult to find a replacement

[night girder]

They look at numbers on a paper or screen.

I wouldn't trust it man.

Don't quit either, but just know it can always happen. Never say never.

[visual tree]

At least the benefits are nice

[night girder]

And like Baldur says, never hurts to look at some options once in a while 😄

[visual tree]

Also don't want to leave telco industry since it's the only one I love

Other industries were boring lol

[night girder]

the army probably could use a guy like you 🤣

[visual tree]

Oh, I don't like military 😅

[night girder]

benefits; get a tank as company vehicle.

[visual tree]

I'm a rebel and don't always listen to authority lol

They would hate me there 🤣

[night girder]

honestly, I don't think it's that hard.

[visual tree]

Only position I would take in military is mechanic since I like working on machines

[night girder]

anyway, a colleague of mine had to serve in the army and got lucky. He had to pull lines for telecommunication in the city. For a year or two.

was after the rebuild of wo2. dude was kinda old 😛

haha, I know a ex mechanic of the army 🤣

[visual tree]

I could also do communications in military

[night girder]

Yeah, or IT stuff. Things have changed.

[visual tree]

"Sir, our tank OS has frozen and I am a sitting duck in here while enemies are aiming RPG at my tank "

Me: "Have you tried turning it off and on again"

[night girder]

🤣

[visual tree]

R.I.P.

[night girder]

"Try updating the system."

[visual tree]

Imagine robot bomb disposal unit running on Vista

https://youtu.be/FxIUs-pQBjk

This one is golden, they managed to convince people an internet is a tiny black box and if you destroy it, the whole world would plunge into chaos https://youtu.be/Vywf48Dhyns

[night girder]

yeah IT Crowd is funny 🙂

[visual tree]

I wonder if you could actually pull that off IRL since people believe anything

[night girder]

well maybe young people, some can be gullible

[visual tree]

They fooled people with this though:

"In the late 90s and early 2000s, many new computer users were told the CD-ROM tray was a “cupholder.” Some people really did put drinks on it and broke their computers. This became such a widespread prank that even big companies (like Dell and Compaq support staff) reported customers calling in about their “broken cupholder.”

Now I understand why we don't use optical drives anymore although it's because disc capacity is not large enough and you can save space with portable drive

[night girder]

humans are smart.

[visual tree]

Don't have windows 11 box but I think they are sold as usb sticks now

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/read-gif-27088048

[night girder]

no clue 😛

[visual tree]

I got 4 legit windows 10 keys which can be used to install windows 11 since I worked in fhe IT department at college before

Students got free windows

It was called Microsoft dreamspark before i think

[night girder]

Nice 👌

[pure karma]

i have 1 legit key and that is my original windows 10 key which i no longer have since i upgraded with it and have since reset windows

[pure karma]

Has to load all the bloat first

[jagged snow]

Yeah, sometimes it's like a minute or two for my ahk scripts and stuff to come online after I'm at the desktop

[soft bloom]

sometimes I feel like if modern society, with collective of scientists and decisions makers, could be described as a kid, it would one that during crossing highway doesn't watch left or right, but instead watches directly below him, only believing that oncoming track is not fake news when already flying mid air from the contact at high speed

[charred relic]

Bow down before your new

AI overlords!

[charred relic]

lel

watched this lawyers video recently where he talks about this guy that guy a noise violation for his exhaust on a charger, by a state trooper

only one problem though... it's an EV model charger heh

Apparently it had been 10 weeks and it still wasn't in the courts system which means it hadn't been filed yer and is a long long time for that

odds are the cops buddies heard that and clowned on him so hard for being an idiot he realized he should just put the papers in the shredder instead

[twin dew]

And seems it is again the monthly reboot day...

[mental oriole]

Imagine a modern os that don't take forever to load stuff on login/startup...

[twin dew]

What method are you using to get those loaded?
Task Scheduler or something else?

[twin dew]

Because the old method of using Startup entries under Start Menu folders has been depricated for a long time.

[proud aspen]

Hello off-topic-tech. Me and baldur have agreed on this to be the cheapest build which uses the am5 platform, ready for a low end GPU and can play satisfactory. Anyone here have anything to say against it?

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/user/jennytime9/saved/#view=qwYJmG

[twin dew]

That was why I asked about if using the legacy depricated method(s), or Task Scheduler that allows you to manage if you need the task to start right away, or delayed.

But basically the idea is to delay as many of startup tasks to only happen after desktop is usable, and spread them out so that the system keeps itself responsive, even on bad systems.
Not actually needed on high-end systems, but still the default.

No, traditionally it was all at same time, as soon as possible.

Except Windows Services explicitly marked as delayed start.

It can have been thing for long time already, but not always.

[proud aspen]

anyone?

[twin dew]

Might take until evening for others to be back and comment.

Some of the regulars are from other side of Atlantic, and some EU ones cannot be here during work.

[proud aspen]

was boutta ask if i should wait for US times

[austere raven]

small question

its super hard to make hdds corrupt right ?

since the data is stored on the disk

[twin dew]

Depends.
Bit rot happens over time if stuff isn't read from time to time, so that the drive automatically rewrites it when getting too faint.

Both classic magnetic drives, where that magnetic alignment is lost over time.
And with SSDs where the charge stored in the FLASH cells leaks out.

Expected time range to actual bitrot is few years from writing, if not rewritten in meantime.

[austere raven]

good

our pc kinda ran into a crash mid bsod

and im worried that we loose the hdd data

[twin dew]

Almost all should be fine even if file system metadata was being written.
But any data that was being written at right that moment when BSOD and/or crash hit can be lost.

[austere raven]

😔

[proud aspen]

I've corruped my nvme like 8-12 times in the same day

[austere raven]

well, hopefully nothing got corrupted

[proud aspen]

quick to fix but easy to do

[twin dew]

As in whatever small part was being written at that point and hadn't made it to the disk yet.
The actual file system metadata is AFAIK journaled even with NTFS now.

[verbal raft]

BL4, yes please gimme FSR 1.1

[jagged snow]

Most are set as a startup app under services

Could be that a few are in the startup folder, that might be it

[austere raven]

theres a way to downgrade from windows 11 to windows 10 right?

[twin dew]

Probably not?
Without full wipe and fresh reinstall.

Except in 30 days after upgrading.

And not sure that exists for Win10 to Win11 inplace upgrade.

[austere raven]

😔

fresh reinstall shouldnt do something tho against the existing files no?

[twin dew]

"full wipe" of the C: partition

[pure karma]

full wipe of any partitions you remove during setup and whatever drive the os is on

[twin dew]

So . for this for others to check the list one final time.

For actual buy soon it seems?

[night girder]

Coded a little in Vue.js today. Must say, at this moment, it's a bit more easier for my brain than Angular.

less boilerplate code and more; get it to work.

you can just import a .json and return it in the data() function. and with a v-for inside <div> element show the data. Without any other shenanigans.

`@JsonComponent
public class MyJsonComponent {
public static class Serializer extends JsonSerializer<MyObject> {

    @Override
    public void serialize(MyObject value, JsonGenerator jgen, SerializerProvider serializers) throws IOException {
        jgen.writeStartObject();
        jgen.writeStringField("name", value.getName());
        jgen.writeNumberField("age", value.getAge());
        jgen.writeEndObject();
    }

}

public static class Deserializer extends JsonDeserializer<MyObject> {
    @Override
    public MyObject deserialize(JsonParser jsonParser, DeserializationContext ctxt) throws IOException {
        ObjectCodec codec = jsonParser.getCodec();
        JsonNode tree = codec.readTree(jsonParser);
        String name = tree.get("name").textValue();
        int age = tree.get("age").intValue();
        return new MyObject(name, age);
    }
}

}`

👆 Meanwhile Java 🤣

[jagged snow]

Spotify premium is finally getting lossless streaming!

That honestly makes them so much more of a competative option as long as they do it well

[night girder]

Yeah, I read that too. Neil Young will be glad.

[mental oriole]

About time.

[night girder]

Is it bad practice to scrape from a website that scraped? 🤣

[soft bloom]

Nah, stealing stolen is just justice

[languid gulch]

new $1400 iphone has a usb 2.0 port

[soft bloom]

Wut
How
I don't believe this disinformation

[jagged snow]

That's been the case on lots of phones for ages

I personally dislike it but honestly very few people use it nowadays

[fickle gust]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ndQbDj

[glossy glacier]

is't a non-pro apple, of course it does

[charred relic]

im fine with that..

especially since it's also a displayport

[languid gulch]

i just find it laughable that they couldn't be bothered to do a connection that's been around since 2008

[charred relic]

I'll probably get the next iphone after this one... it'll be about that time

[soft bloom]

Eh, nothing wrong with using stuff that lasts long
You breath in ancient o2, you speak language that is quite old (though it evolves... Skibidi), you yourself wasn't born yesterday

[charred relic]

unless you are trying to transfer a bunch of files it doesn't matter anyhow.. and most people don't do that

also considering even the pro max is 1200... it's not 1400 and the pro max has 3.2 sooooo

you aren't entirely accurate there...

also so tempting to click buy

lol but no

[bronze jasper]

"Leave the trillion dollar corporation alone!!"

it probably costs them more to source reliable usb 2 chipsets than just using a single stock pile of usb 3 chipsets for all models

it's just hilarious. the new line of iphones are a clear step backwards. as usual. they'll add back the capabilities they took away and use that to justify the price increase

[charred relic]

no im saying it's silly to worry about since almost nobody cares if it's 2.0 or 3.x in practice

nor will it matter for them... ever

so it's a bit nitpicky mostly people that don't even use them seem to care lol

[bronze jasper]

you're saying you can't find anyone upset about the new models having a deprecated port? oh. okay.

[charred relic]

either way it's not 1400 and the 1200 one has 3.2 anyhow, so my point stands that the situation was not even being portrayed accuratly to begin with

how is it depreceating?

i can't copy files faster? how does that fucking mater almost nobody does that man

even i arely need or want to do that and i have a massive storage in my phone

the data rate is... who give a flying fuck

i could just as easily say oh look another thing for andoid users to cry about apple about

see.. 🙂

and if you try to trell this to 99.9% of the people buying them their eyes are going to just gloss over

[pure karma]

im mroe upset by the change to usb-c than any speed

[charred relic]

they should have done C a long time ago

now THAT was bad

[bronze jasper]

having a proprietary port in 2025 makes no sense

[pure karma]

cause usb-c is too underregulated and no cable has a minimum requirement to function in all the advertised scenarios

[charred relic]

that is the one thing i don't like about my iphone, it was the year before the switch

so i have to have a cord just for that...

[pure karma]

buying a usb-c cable is a lootbox

you either get one that works or one thats data only or one that dosent and theres nothing about that that has to be specified to the consumer

[bronze jasper]

there are more faulty iphone connectors made by 3rd parties than standard breaching usb-c connectors

[charred relic]

I've had very few problems with cables

but i don't just shop the cheapest thing they have and stick with something i've at least heard of

[bronze jasper]

usb-c standards are open for anyone to adopt. apple keeps theirs under lock and key so 3rd parties have to hack around the secrecy

[charred relic]

when i upgrade phones im tossing this charge cable in the fire

i will have 0 devices forit then

[pure karma]

i have to drag lightning around anyway so usb-c is a chore and not a standard

the only thing i own that has usb-c that isent a inconvinience is my switch

[bronze jasper]

"usb-c is not a standard" is just delusional. i wish you well as you detox from the age of apple proprietary cables

[proud aspen]

Hello off-topic-tech. Me and baldur have agreed on this to be the cheapest reasonable build which uses the am5 platform, ready for a low end GPU and can play satisfactory. Anyone here have anything to say against it?

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/user/jennytime9/saved/#view=qwYJmG

[charred relic]

regardless of what you carrry that isn't what most carrry heh

pretty much everything is c but older stuff

[proud aspen]

btw, i agree

[charred relic]

i still have a microusb device

[bronze jasper]

am not a fan of microatx boards but hey, if it gets you gaming then thats good enough

[proud aspen]

first person to not like matx that i have met

[pure karma]

well yea no duh controllers still use them now

[charred relic]

..it's one of my most used devices actually, an guitar audio interface

[pure karma]

and most knockoff anythings really

[charred relic]

works with ios, windows macos...

maybe android not sure

i can carry my entire guitar rig... in my pocket

well except the guitar... and amp/speakers... but there's always headphones

[bronze jasper]

my mouse has a microusb charge cable. i rarely upgrade to new mice. i hate ewaste

[charred relic]

i use mine until they just aren't usable heh

keyboards pretty much too, i'll swap it to another system or keep it as a spare

always good to have a spare mouse and/or keyboard!

[bronze jasper]

mines a logitech mx master 3 so it's a tough little fker. just keeps on mousin

[charred relic]

i do have entirely too many power cables

[bronze jasper]

the spare is another logitech thats wired. the g502 one of the og versions of it

[charred relic]

i have... decades worth

I at least might have another use for one at some point since these days amps (a lot of them) switched over to that type of power connector vs hard wired or something proprietary

[bronze jasper]

i wouldn't read too much into it. i dont prefer them but they're hot sellers after all.

i'd consider getting a little more storage than 256 but thats just becasue i'm a big data hoarder personally. 256 feels so tight

thinking about it makes me claustrophobic

[charred relic]

for a game rig?

[proud aspen]

but mainly just for satisfactory?

[charred relic]

just a general pc that's dec but yeah would feel tight to me but it depends on what ya doin

But don't listen to me im the guy that went with the 4TB nvme...

microcenter was happy to see me that day

(and i was happy to see microcenter)

[proud aspen]

4???

WHATCHA DOING WITH 4???

[charred relic]

yeah but i play a lot of games that take big big space

[proud aspen]

Not even AI models are that big

[charred relic]

i still have a lot of space...

lemme remote in and have a peek

[pure karma]

daily stuff

[charred relic]

2TB free... and 10% total space overprovisioned

so 10% of that drive is gone right off the rip, but still have 2TB heh

[pure karma]

i have dual 2TB nvmes and im fairly stacked up by now

[bronze jasper]

should be fine for just one game, but what if like me, you want to install 20 more games (that you rarely load)

[charred relic]

got a 1TB nvme in it too, and a couple smaller SATA SSD's

aaaand 500GB usb 3 external that is more than fast enough to play games off... if you really needed or wanted to

it's mostly use for oldschool arcade/console emulation

[pure karma]

i mean you can game off a usb stick comfortably so its not like you exactly need a lot of speed if your not bothered by launch time

[proud aspen]

WHAT VIDEOS DO YOU HAVE

[charred relic]

i have some sticks here you would not want to play video games off of

unless you just enjoy pain...

[proud aspen]

WD_Black >>

[pure karma]

a lot of raw mkv of various resolutions and framerates most being 1440P60

[charred relic]

I ended up with the 990 pro because it was on sale

so i calld an audible at the store and switched to a larger drive... that one

[pure karma]

i ended up with WD cause they were on sale for 50% off albeit still 200$cad

[charred relic]

it's just money SHRUG!

[pure karma]

definitely not a drive id reccomend on the regular but its been reliable as heck

[charred relic]

well i knew that with what i had 4TB was overkill even for me really but i didn't care...

lol

[bronze jasper]

how much storage do you need kylo ren? "MORE!"

[charred relic]

I always think "but what if...."

[pure karma]

oh same especially now that i have gigabit wifi i really dont need to be a storage hog anymore i could live off of like 1-2TB if i got rid of most my videos i keep for fun and generally cleaned shit out lol

[charred relic]

plus i also don't currently have flight sim and it's ENORMOUS cache on there

that is something you want on a fast drive and fairly hefty

[pure karma]

i have like 600GB wasted on a OS that dosent even exist anymore lol

[proud aspen]

mkv... ofc

[charred relic]

one time my internet went down while i was playing flight sim and i didn't realize at first... then i ran out of the area i had cached

the changes... they hurt my soul 🙁

[proud aspen]

gigabit?? what for? to download a picture of my mum?

[pure karma]

my os drive has most of the stuff i actually edit after but i always forget to copy them back to the HDD

[charred relic]

it want from beautiful to "what the hell is this blurry nonsense"

[pure karma]

downloading speeds at not youl get to play by next week speeds

[charred relic]

i had gigabit internet

[pure karma]

and plus staying at 45mbit was more expensive than going up to gigabit by this point lmao

[charred relic]

but your point, jenny, is valid

[bronze jasper]

that'll be the astronauts who leave the solar system for the first time

[charred relic]

it was only from time to time that it was useful for me so i downgraded to 600mbit to save money lol

[bronze jasper]

everything gonna be low poly

[charred relic]

I mean it came in handy... but only like maybe once every month tops

Makes a difference when you are downloading a 50+ GB game tho for sure

[proud aspen]

like, you only need to download games once -- I had 28mb ethernet speeds and just left devices on overnight (crunchyroll would sometimes crash mid downloads but i think that mightta been my phone overheating)

[pure karma]

oh yea downloading forza again was more of a benchmark than a internet speed test

[bronze jasper]

patch day enters the room

[charred relic]

guess what my first "broadband" speed was 🙂

[proud aspen]

I own 2 copies of FH5...

[charred relic]

1.5mbit/256kbit

that's only enough to piss me off in current year

[pure karma]

well in that case you should be aware that its fat as fuk

[charred relic]

yeah forza is another whopper isn't it

[proud aspen]

naw shite sherlok

[charred relic]

somebody needs to put these games on a diet lol

[pure karma]

honestly forza is reasonable compared to DCS

[charred relic]

well forza is also a super fun awesome game... in my opionion

[pure karma]

atleast forza looks like its being played at a higher resolution than 480P

[charred relic]

I need a good F1 type game

[proud aspen]

talking about diet - the only reason my ADHD remembered to eat today is because I went to drink some wine (with tea by the side) and was like "shit, can't drink on an emtpy stomach"

[pure karma]

i really enjoyed it but it felt quite short

[charred relic]

tsk tsk

[proud aspen]

the graphics thooooooo

[charred relic]

i just like the driving part itself

i like dirt too, it has it's own charm

[proud aspen]

I drove 90% free and 10% actual races

[pure karma]

cruising around is surprisingly enjoyable even with the fairly small map

[proud aspen]

it was so fun (while i could play it on my brother's pc that is ;-;)

[pure karma]

i literally hopped on just to screw around not long ago

[proud aspen]

the rain was actually relaxing

[charred relic]

I only messed with it briefly on my main rig upstairs

[proud aspen]

yall wanna play once i get the pc??

[charred relic]

i've been out here so much enjoying the weather and doing cloud streaming and light gaming

I love this time of year lol

[pure karma]

i mostly used it as a free test bench to improve my video editing skills lmao

because its dang near passable as real

[charred relic]

that's how FS is now if you can crank it up

that game is just nuts now heh

and the physics are still top notch

MS has always had good flight sims tho... some better than others but always at least solid

hell even cranked up as high as i can go with a good framerate it's gorgeous heh

[bronze jasper]

forza is good stuff. i should get back into it. i dont' want to buy any of the DLC though. i stopped playing cause every event i found while exploring was like, something i had to buy with real money

[charred relic]

i wouldn't buy dlc for that particular game either, not quite that into it

[pure karma]

yea same i couldent care less the buy the dlc

[bronze jasper]

if i don't own a dlc it shouldn't show up in game AT ALL

[charred relic]

i have been known to buy planes in flight sim lol

[bronze jasper]

the game shouldn't be a store

[pure karma]

its microsoft after all and they love stores

[charred relic]

if it's like it used to be years ago a lot of the stuff is 3rd party anyhow

and that's where the best stuff was anyhow

[bronze jasper]

imo steam proved the market for micro transactions. i blame them. as much as i love valve as a company, they're a big reason why microtransactions go so hard

[charred relic]

as far as i know you can still drop content into a folder and bam

more or less... ya know

package it in an installer, call it a day... i suppose

i'll find out eventually when there's a plane i really want to fly not avail in the base game 😄

[proud aspen]

good night/morning guys, it's 2:30 for me - about bed time

[bronze jasper]

but you have to stay awake longer and think about your new pc

[pure karma]

thats so real tho

[proud aspen]

I THOUGHT I COULD BE CALMER AND I WANTED TO SLEEP AT 11PMMMMM

[bronze jasper]

/clicks refresh on pc part picker just to make sure it's still real/

[proud aspen]

lol

[charred relic]

I usually pass out around 2AM lol

[proud aspen]

real

[charred relic]

then get up around 7-8

sometimes earlier... depends on how much i want those eggs, bacon and a nice hot buttermilk biscuit

[proud aspen]

I'm tempted just to buy the parts now in this adrenaline

[proud aspen]

I litterally, scientifically, only need 4-6h of sleep

im like 5%ile

[charred relic]

Oh I don't get all of that time as sleep... not even close

[proud aspen]

lol

[charred relic]

I'm up and down the entire time bause... well reasons

[proud aspen]

demons?

[charred relic]

Ha demons

You assume I'm not the demon...

[proud aspen]

well, the honmoon was sealed 5 rewatches ago

[charred relic]

No just... various digestive things mostly

[proud aspen]

drugs

[charred relic]

and the meds im on... makes ya pee a lot heh

[bronze jasper]

demons can't get onto discord yet afaik

[charred relic]

a lot... a lot a lot

[bronze jasper]

TOS doesn't allow them, like children

[charred relic]

...and this is why they are so so far behind

In D&D, at least back in the day when i palyed i wouldn't be a demon i'd be a devil of some sort

demonds are chaotic evil, i am lawful evil 🙂

[bronze jasper]

reminds me of the futurama episode where faunsworth's scientific technology is just satanic rituals and incantations.

I'm so happy a new season comes out next week

[proud aspen]

also, can someone give me a pcp challenge bc i decided im staying awake for 10-20 more mins

[charred relic]

They still make that?

[proud aspen]

ofc

[charred relic]

wow

[bronze jasper]

futurama? yeah a new season is made now an then. it's not an every year thing

[proud aspen]

^^

[charred relic]

i always thought it was cool that one of my faves from married with children voiced a role 😄

[bronze jasper]

i think if you take pcp you'll be up longer than 20-30min

[proud aspen]

nonono, i could make a build in 5

[charred relic]

you just need some B-12

maybe some B-6...

[bronze jasper]

(pcp is a psychotics classed drug)

[proud aspen]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/jennytime9/saved <<--- baring in mind i have many MANY lists of experience

[proud aspen]

huh

[charred relic]

yeah i was a big time experimenter when i was younger, that was one i just avoided lol

[proud aspen]

what about pcpp? also a drug?

[bronze jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFUvmZWf4hI for reference

[charred relic]

im curious, not dumb heh

[bronze jasper]

yeah psychotics were something i never touched. ketamine was the closest i got

[charred relic]

that one in particular is just known to be...problematic lol

for sure for sure

My doctor has me on that good good Lasix

[proud aspen]

fine, byyyeeeee

[bronze jasper]

pcp challenge FAILED

[charred relic]

yeah and just think you could be hulk lifting the fridge to clean under it...

the body makes some pretty crazy stuff like addrenaline.. that stuff can have people performing crazy feats of strength in a high stress scenario

it's like the body turns on the superman mode

people have liften stuff that did damage it was so heavy but that stuff had them going hard

like ripping muscles and shit

[fickle gust]

Rough delta

seems a 100mv undervolt drops power a bit

900w well doing this so 🤷

[charred relic]

lel

[austere raven]

Can someone help me with a network issue

Basically the network tab on my pc says “unidentified network” under my Ethernet connection

[twin dew]

Data hoarding is kind of thing...
All but the Optane are RAID-1 mirrors or equivalent, so the raw storage is double...
Stuff is HDDs, Profile is SATA SSDs and Windows + Games is 2TB NVMe SSDs.

But 256GB is perfectly usable for just Windows and smaller games.
Larger game installs can hit 150GB for single game at this time.

So 2x 2TB NVMe SSD, 2x 512GB SATA SSD, 2x 6TB HDD, and 64GB NVMe Optane.

[twin dew]

But I need to do some housekeeping there.
Third party defrag and then first party shrink for that System partition, then third party move and first party expand for that Games.

[proud aspen]

please stop showing me gore

XD

Also, I think imma just go for this --->> https://de.pcpartpicker.com/user/jennytime9/saved/#view=qwYJmG

[twin dew]

But basically for basics + Satisfactory, 128GB would fit, until WinSXS bloated up over time etc. or needed to do Windows major version upgrade.

[night girder]

Anyone got experience with Windows sandbox?

I got a questionable file here, ran it through virus scanner, only 1 hit. Was thinking about opening it in sandbox.

I think I might just going to write script to scrape it off a website that datamined the game instead of messing with some sus .exe and dig into the game files myself 😛

[twin dew]

Machine learning based detection from Acronis.

[night girder]

Yeah, I don't have faith in the virus scanner either. Bulgarian.

I think.

[twin dew]

Mainly that it is ML based heurestic detection, so the lowest possible validity expectation.

[night girder]

On reddit, a lot say it gives false possitive. But I wonder how they can be so sure.

And Acronis is Swiss apparantly.

[twin dew]

So either false positive.
Or intentional work to get it past virus scanners and actual problem.

Cannot say how probable either option is without knowing file and source.
But if you say Reddit, then the chance of intentionally hidden goes up.

[night girder]

Scaping the website is going to be pain. The id's don't make sense. It goes from 0-1000 and then picks up at 10 000 - 20 000.

I could just loop through the id's and get the data I need. But if they have a brain, they got security in place to stop my script 😛

[night girder]

No file I got from github. The actual .exe.

I was just looking up the actual reported virus and other experiences with Acronis.

I also scanned with windows defender.

Oh wow, virustotal has a behavior tab.

but it's unclear what is being done because of sandbox mode. And what the file is doing.

Like Windows Media Player?

Why would a .exe thats meant to extract game files access windows media player 😄

Ah, so Mitre is just showing what the file does in a sandbox that can be questionable. Like an overview of everything it does.

[twin dew]

Yes, and lot of software open registry keys and/or files as read-write, even when they just read.

Which is very annoying.

[night girder]

It does use Windows Utilities to exploit "something"

[twin dew]

Those cmd.exe <things> commands trigger that.

[night girder]

You know what? Fuck it. Not gonna risk it 😄

They (other tools/websites) datamined the data from the game 🤷‍♂️

[verbal raft]

it only took them 2 years lol

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/frankenstein-its-alive-gif-10618052

only 100000 to go

with a 0.3 delay, else I get rated 🙁

[mental oriole]

F

[night girder]

I should optimize and check if id's exist in json before executing the REST call. But it's still fresh code, and it's more that I just want a db.json so I continue the application itself.

A means to an end.

and I need a lot of data to see how the search engine holds up 😄

[charred relic]

I always just ran questionable shit in a VM

But unless you're going to break out some tools to investigate you'll likely run it and it appear nothing weird happened

A good example is from a long time ago... the only virus I ever actually had an infestation of in my life. TaiPan, one of it's variants.

It wa totally silent and the only indication anything was weird is any executable below a certain size had some junk data added so those files got a bit bigger

And yeah the variant I had that is literally all it did was spread, no dangerous payload and since most executables were larger than it touched it didn't even infect nearly every file.

might have been com files even back then, can't recall exactly but it was either .com or .exe's

[pure karma]

iv had 1 virus and it imediately installed mcaffe and exposed itself in 3 seconds 😂

[charred relic]

a lot of people have never even seen a .com file i guess.. these days

younger folks anyhow

[pure karma]

your right about that

i havent seen one for myself ever

[charred relic]

it was just an dos executable

same as .exe... but different 😄

like DOS's man command program was... command.com

lol

[pure karma]

anytime i see talk of old stuff it makes me want to try and revive my first pc

but its been sitting outside for like 10 years lmao

[charred relic]

if you boot up some old dos floppy in a vm you'll for sure see one

can't say for sure but no way there isn't a bunch even on the boot disk for dos

i still have my first "real" computer

[pure karma]

you assume iv ever seen a floppy disc in person

[charred relic]

I say "real" to mean IBM (or compatible)

A Tandy 1000EX... 8088 CPU

still works...

hell i don't think i've seen a floppy disk in person in at least a couple decades heh

don't see discs for computers now either really

[pure karma]

i dont know why but to me everything is post win10

[charred relic]

well thjat's a lie because within the last couple of years i touched one... a 3.5" in a closet with a bunch of old computer software and manuals

[pure karma]

anytime i see anyone working with older windows versions than that it seems so distopian

[charred relic]

windows before 95 was pretty clunky

[pure karma]

i cant comprehend how the world worked before than

which is ironic because i used a good few of the windows version before that

[charred relic]

most home users didn't use windows before 95. In fact an extra step was needed to have a computer back then boot right into windows

[pure karma]

yea i know about that

[charred relic]

had to call it from the batch file, by default it would boot to DOS prompt

[pure karma]

the era where windows was esentially just a running program

[charred relic]

yeah it was lol

Guess what... so was 95 though really

Same (modified) kernel, one not meant to do more than one thing at a time when it was designed.

they should have bit the bullet and switched to the NT kernel for 95

[pure karma]

if i dident suspect that my old pc is coroded to oblivion (and know the psu cables are cut) id probably have tried to revive it already

[charred relic]

but people would have been pissed because a bunch of DOS software wouldn't work

They did manage to perform some kinda voodoo to get that kernel to work for all that though I guess.. so hats off heh

if it's old old stuff you really gotta keep an eye on the board... unfortunately

i inspect my Tandy every so often for good measure to make sure a cap isn't gonna pop or something

[pure karma]

its probably not dinosaur levels acient cause i think it did support windows 7 although i nerver did the upgrade but its not new for sure

[charred relic]

pcs out of the store back then could be wild too... packard bell was nuts

we had 3 of the SAME model opened up once

they all had different hardware for various components lol

one even had an entirely diferent mobo

[pure karma]

but its been sitting in a unisolated garage for a decade so it defedently has element damage

[charred relic]

3 differnt psu's