off-topic-tech

[visual tree]

Same here but the police officer crossed the empty street while it was red lol

[night girder]

but nobody does over here 😄

[night girder]

I saw cops turn on their lights to make a U turn. Then they put the lights back off.

Because they could only, legally make a U turn there, if they had sirens on.

[visual tree]

I've seen police and paramedics sometimes abusing sirens without any reason too

[night girder]

With great power comes great responsibility... right?

well some people need it to work.

[visual tree]

Speaking of responsibility, I've also noticed selfish drivers who refuse to make an emergency corridor (or don't know they have to make an emergency corridor)

[night girder]

yeah, good luck here mate

have fun traveling 3 hours to work. and 3 hours back

and work 10 hours. 16 hours for a job. Yeah. 1 hour to eat and then to bed.

Do that 6 out 7 days and we talk again 😉

I am not oppose to public transpot. use it for all I care.

It's not for me, and I have the right to drive a car.

and if they take that right away, give me back horses! 🤣

[visual tree]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/lZKbXjwsvA4

Self-entitled idiot at 0:22

[night girder]

bro, I know you memory is shit.

but I told you so many times, I lost two cats to drivers.

[visual tree]

I got hit by a drunk tractor driver on my 5th birthday and ended up 7 days in coma with complete memory loss

[night girder]

I don't see it

[night girder]

Oof.

[visual tree]

The blue van driver should have moved more to the right and paramedic was swearing because of that

[night girder]

Aah.

[night girder]

Here we are still learning to do that. I think it's a new law from 2-3 years ago.

We are still pretty bad at it on highways. As in, we don't leave a middle road open in a traffic jam for emergency vehicles.

[visual tree]

People with expensive cars love emergency corridors because they will drive right behind paramedics. Some got huge fines for that

Not making an emergency corridor or abusing one should have higher fines imo because someone's life could literally be at risk

[night girder]

Here some people use that to get pass traffic jams.

Google translates it to : hard shoulder?

[visual tree]

Oh, they do that too and I get very pissed when I see someone abusing emergency lanes (that's how we call that lane marked with red here)

[night girder]

Same.

well, I get confused now.

Because emergency lane is also the lane we create during a traffic jam.

Probably just tranlation issues on my part haha

[visual tree]

I think we call it emergency corridor when people make space in the middle for paramedics/police/firefighters. Emergency/stop lane is the lane on the far right

[night girder]

Ah corridor. yeah that might be it.

Didn't say that. I said your memory is shit.

Well solution seems simple for you. But I leave that to you.

[visual tree]

When banks make poor automated email with weird formatting and link deadlines making it look like phishing attempt:

Such a poor design can make even legit mails look like scams

I like the concept of anti-phishing codes. You set your own code on some website and every time they send you an email, it includes the anti-phishing code you set yourself

My nephew just arrived and he keeps saying "Roomba! Roomba!"

Guess he is obsessed with the robot cleaner

Dyson is fine but it's overpriced imo

[sharp matrix]

its on sell at 16 usd, is it still overpriced even on sell?

idk why im asking, its still in early access and i have been wondering what would be a good point to pick it up

but maybe ill wait until it leaves early access, lord knows i have alot of game backlog here😅

[visual tree]

We were talking about dyson home appliances 😄

[sharp matrix]

yeah you know i really should stop looking at some of this, i have such a large backlog of games i still want to play and im here looking at these ea games lol

[sharp matrix]

lol i thought it was dsp lmao

because dsp is on sell for 16 atm, so wondering if it would be worth picking up

[visual tree]

I was like, where the hell did you find a dyson vacuum for 16 usd 🤣

[sharp matrix]

well you see there is this dark alloy, with these very shady sellers....

[visual tree]

I haven't played dsp but 16 usd sounds reasonable

[sharp matrix]

yeah i thought so

dsp surely has at least 16 dollars worth of content

its overwhelming positive to, so thats a good sign to

[bronze jasper]

DSP is great and isn't even done being built yet. It's made by a small chinese team and they've made something that's incredibly universal and appeals to a global audience (heh because the game uses globes)

[sterile plinth]

Alright, I went to the EFI partition, deleted the old bcd file and ran bootrec /RebuildBcd (which successfully detected my windows installation and added it as a boot manager entry)

Still, same thing occurs

[bronze jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/alien-sygourney-weaver-i-say-we-take-off-and-nuke-the-entire-site-from-orbit-its-the-only-way-to-be-sure-movie-quotes-gif-11314084

[night girder]

Maybe it's still a scam?

[visual tree]

The guy forwarded this mail to the bank and they confirmed it's a genuine mail from them

[night girder]

imagine if even the bank got fooled 🤣

[wanton orchid]

and they get to hospital

[visual tree]

Some banks are so bad even their mail templates look like phishing attempt

[bronze jasper]

perhaps, phishing attempts look so bad because they're mimicking bank templates

[visual tree]

Btw, I noticed there is a "fictional voter" on my address although It's well-known that elections here are fishy

There are many villages where there are like 100 residents but 300 registered voters. That's how you win elections....

[night girder]

Not here. You will get caught.

[visual tree]

Cosmic ray

[night girder]

Veritasium talks about it.

[visual tree]

There are like 3.600.000 people here and 4.000.000 registered voters

And I don't believe in a statement that dead people can't vote. There is not a 100% solid proof for that

When you vote, you go to your designated voting center, show your ID, wait for a person to check if you are a registered voter (and haven't voted before already) and they give you a voting ballot if everything is fine

But how do I know there isn't a "fictional" voting center where they pretend to vote for dead people?

[night girder]

check the cemeteries when there is elections.

Send a picture of ghosts voting when you find them 🤣

I get you. There is a level of trust involved between population and the goverment when it comes to voting.

[visual tree]

I mean, they could just take a ballot, vote for a candidate and write down that a "dead person" has voted because the dead person has not been erased from a voter register

And nobody checks if that person is actually dead, they just see they are a registered voter

[night girder]

well there should be flags if citizens are deceased.

pretty sure there is a db for that (for the goverment).

That's why I said; it's just trust. Hope the goverment has systems in place to prevent fraud.

[visual tree]

I think they are manipulating the part with deceased people and it's not in their interest to erase deceased people as soon as possible from voter register

[night girder]

I cannot speak for your country.

🙈

Here, I've seen or read no proof about voting manipulation. So I trust it's a "fair" game.

[visual tree]

Can't wait to visit a local police station and ask for a list of all people who have a residence on my address (since voters have their designated voting center based on residence)

They will probably say something like: "We can only tell you if you have a residence in your address as a property owner but we can't tell you which other people might have residence in your address because of GDPR" 🤣

GDPR is a double-edge sword. Sometimes it only makes things worse

[night girder]

Is it legal to have your adress on a residence you don't own?

Because if it isn't legal. GDPR means jackshit. And the police should take action.

Doesn't mean they have to give you the adres. They could handle it themselves. Or escalate to proper instances.

Let me know how it ends 🤣

[visual tree]

You need a consent from the owner

Unless you have a residence at your parent's house, then you don't need a consent

[visual tree]

Why would anyone do this?

Someone posted heatmap on reddit of what appears to be an office with more than 25 access points

You could literally cover the whole residential building with so many access points

Or maybe those are locations where signal strengths were being tested but why would you make so many tests for literally each meter

[wanton orchid]

bottom left are ok but these are the only ok one

wait no, I thought it was scaled for signal

of the doors are 1:1 then it's absolutely not and it's absolutely stupid

some ap provider got gold

[visual tree]

Assuming the office has drywall which doesn't weaken the signal as concrete, you could go with 4 standard access points or 2 professional ones with better range

Or maybe 3 standard Ubiquiti access points from the top to bottom in the middle

Not my office

[soft bloom]

the ego to call a farm/factory town "FORDlandia"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFXLZ7FEJc4
it's about rubber

btw, there are 2 examples of how knowledge from the natives was not noticed/implemented, leading to first a disaster and later to re-"invention"
talking about vulcanisation (curing) of rubber and keeping distance between trees

so, we have monoculture of rubber trees, banana trees,
similarly many seedless fruits
and perhaps most produce on the shelfs that is mass farmed - monocultures?
that's terrible

which is btw a good example of having just 1 of something is so dangerous
1 set of genes, 1 software package, 1 government...
it's about having same vulnerability at scale, opening possibility for 1 successful hit to crash whole system

[night girder]

Only way that makes sense to me, is that we see 2D of a 3D appartment building or sky scrapper, so the access points are spread over multiple levels of the building.
And it might look like they overlap from top-down view.

And else it's just a troll post 🤣 And someone plopped down some dots on airmapper.

[safe trench]

what the acutal fuck

[visual tree]

Only possible explanation. There is no way someone installed so many access points in that office

[dire igloo]

There are so many possibilities for actually harmful acts of terrorism, it kinda makes me glad that they stick to "bomb go boom, people die"

[languid gulch]

usually because the people who do terrorist acts aren't smart enough to do anything overly sophisticated

[safe trench]

watch somebody is going to make a stealth cessena 172 and do a terrorist attack with it 🤣

[languid gulch]

and hopefully people's ethics aren't so insane that even a state actor ordering someone to create something truly awful would do it

[languid gulch]

you obviously haven't seen the vids out of russia

[safe trench]

oh i know a russian guy who will make anything he feels like it

[languid gulch]

not going to post any here, but russia & ukraine have been drone-rigging small planes full of fuel & explosives for long-haul low altitude missions

[safe trench]

the next major conflict is going to depend on how many lightweight little drones strapped with bombs on them can be produced

which is way i feel like the us is going to flop in that and china is gonna be incredible at

[languid gulch]

i have no idea what it's going to look like

hopefully we can prevent that level of stupidity

[safe trench]

did you forget you are talking about politicans

they just want their names engraved in history books

[languid gulch]

yup

lol

too bad they forget that 99% of them don't get that, and then halve that because the losers get forgotten

[safe trench]

dubai is a perfect example of that 🤣

[languid gulch]

bit of fun i discovered last night when ripping into my first tower

[safe trench]

dubai is a tradegy as a whole honestly, they had a literal infinite money creative mode spawning point and they have the stupidest leaders and megaprojects

[languid gulch]

i like how their miles-long oasis is just ending up being a straight line of brutalist state-run apartments

and it'll sink or fall over with the next mild earthquake

[safe trench]

every form of "public transit" there is just greenwashing

its literally no different from having cars if its all going to be pods

[languid gulch]

the good news is that globally the estimate is 1 terawatt of added solar power for next year

that's 250 of the largest nuclear plant in the US

[safe trench]

i just hate politicans takes on nuclear power however

[bronze jasper]

yeah but, is US adding that solar capacity, or china?

[languid gulch]

i did say globally

[bronze jasper]

it's not just politicians. its' the general public. People who grew up with chernobyl, 3 mile island, or that TV movie "The Day After"

Even the Simpsons contributed to anti nuclear sentiment by putting homer in charge of saftey and Mr Burns the evil power plant owner

[languid gulch]

i mean, The Day After was about nuclear attack, not nuke plants

[bronze jasper]

yeah but the effect it had on perception was real and measurable

[languid gulch]

which is 100% a legit thing that can still happen

[bronze jasper]

with chernobyl, propaganda got me. I grew up hearing stories about it. one was that there were 3 men who went into the flooded area and sacrificed themselves to do something to help. i forget the details but remember that they died horrible deaths. It was taught to us in school.

years later when the hbo show aired, i learned those guys actually didn't die that year and died much much later

[safe trench]

pretty sure thats the whole point of the movie

[languid gulch]

yup

[bronze jasper]

yeah it was a big bad thing that happened. it still affects perceptions to this day

when fukishima happened, there was another nuclear fear. a lot of people on my coast thought that water was going to be glowing when it came over from japan. or that all the debris washing up would kill you if you touched it

[languid gulch]

radiocarbon dating had to be asterisked for everyone alive after 1950, and hopefully that'll be remembered into the future, otherwise future archaeology will think we're all from a century earlier than we actually are

[bronze jasper]

i'm on the canadian west coast. the ENTIRE pacific ocean between us and fukushima

[bronze jasper]

yeah lol we've significantly altered the isotope count in the atmosphere / environment

[languid gulch]

although from now on, now that we know how to successfully build thorium NPPs, everyone should be extremely suspicious of any country choosing to build uranium NPPs

[bronze jasper]

i'm pro nuclear but dont know enough to say which reactors are going to work or not. i just think that the energy density is so great that it's stupid not to use it.

but the public perception is the biggest hurdle

[languid gulch]

china, US, and EU are all bringing thorium reactors online this year

[bronze jasper]

yeah thorium is about to be prime time

fusion is even moving out of reseach purposes and into commercial generation

[soft bloom]

question is if "unconnected" acts of violence can be classified as having a single, coordinated source.

[dire igloo]

Why would that matter?
Terrorists usually release a statement that whatever happened was their doing

[soft bloom]

well because if you were to find many more violent acts as connected, coordinated terrorism, then "usually" in your statement would turn into "rarely".
asterics: though in some way performers still often do not hide their personality or deny wrongdoing

[dire igloo]

You make zero sense rn.
Like, the words you say don't connect to any meaning in my brain

Why does it matter whether acts are connected or not?

pls don't call him retarded, that's ableist.
And frankly, I'd say it's an insult to mentally disabled people to be comparing them to Putin

He's an evil genocidal tyrant war criminal.
Bringing disability into the mix just diminishes his cruelty

It's fine to call people names, but call them what they are.

[languid gulch]

i've been cleaning out/paring down old tech stuff

managed to stuff all my spare fans into a single amazon box

and i have 14x C13 cables just hanging around

oh and i found a little AM4 spu box, so my garbage tier bulldozer APU is properly stored now

hilarious question time. dare i plug in the GT610 to my system and see how badly it bottlenecks the 9800X3D

lol

don't have any spares

kinda sad that nvidia doesn't have Crossfire, i have a 1660 & 1660S not doing much rn

i know. bought the 1660 on day 1

1660S at the height of shortages, found it for msrp in a real store

would love to see him do that with this one

PNY, a whole 1gb vram

29W TDP

Defunct October 25, 2006

i might pop out my 4090 tommorow and set it next to the GT610 and take a pic just for fun

see what 13 years does to GPUs

awwww i can't use it, win11 doesn't support it

[wanton orchid]

Nvidia does not support it on win 11

[soft bloom]

you said that you are glad that they stick to simple stuff, like explosions.
what I ma saying is that you take a different perspective and investigate if there are connected acts of violence, then they might be classified as terrorism too, and that would change the statistics a lot. Meaning, you won't say anymore "I am glad they just use bombs", you would see there are many more more sophisticated ways to cause physical, psychological, financial harm. Including raising mistrust to the government, law enforcement etc.
But ofcourse, it all won't make sense unless you investigate.

[dire igloo]

Obviously I know about shit like Cambridge Analytica or Russian misinformation.
That's not what I consider terrorism tho

idk how or where to draw the line between terrorism and warfare, but what you're describing is closer to warfare imo

[soft bloom]

I named only 2 attributes:

• act of violence
• coordination (though in a broad sense)
  I don't misinformation would fit there

the danger of modern world is that people are ready to do dumb stuff without knowing what actually happens

[wanton orchid]

it's not a modern thing

[soft bloom]

it's especially easier with desperate, unstable people

[soft bloom]

yeah but could hire a courier on electric scooter to deliver food that is actually a bomb that explodes?
for them, it's just another delivery order. but they might not live to see tomorrow.
I may list many nasty examples but don't wont to write it in this chat...

internet certainly opens many possibilities

and algorithmic polarization plays huge role in keeping people who are easier to exploit in that same state

actually...
I just had a realization that it's like partisan warfare
except the ones distributing guides on how to do stuff are much more subtle, use internet instead of paper, and can much more precisely tune target audience.
and they need to forge a trigger to action, unlike in actual war where partisans usually have all the reasons created by invaders already.
and one last big difference: authors don't have your best interest in mind, never had.

[dire igloo]

Deliberately spreading misinformation is an act of violence imo

[dire igloo]

Except that's still just a bomb.
You can do so much more with a little bit of deliberate planning and a disregard for flashy media stunts.

Look at the XZ backdoor, a highly sophisticated attack that sought control over the majority of global IT systems

Other example attacks:
blow up computing/data centers of payment processors, bringing that South American Blight to Southeast Asian rubber farms

Hell, if you wanna be fancy, get a pilot's license, rent a charter jet to fly yourself, crash it into congress during state of the union

[dire igloo]

I guess the main differentiation is persistence.
A singular act could generally be considered terrorism imo, but if it becomes a recurring things, it becomes warfare

[tribal kraken]

Astral 5090 vs EKWB waterblocked 4090

And the same 4090 vs Inno3D 5090 with Alphacool block

[dire igloo]

just now realized we're getting off topic again
Time to cut the terrorism discussion here, I don't think there's much to discuss anyway

[visual tree]

I am considering NEVER buying batteries from a local store again....

€0,66 per battery vs €1,50 per battery

And they don't sell a pack with more batteries for a reason so you pay more per battery

[soft bloom]

When a lawyer says that chatgpt would have written a more accurate logic for government app that marks people as not abiding law, you know someone really screwed up.
Imagine a system that checks for condition of "action A performed by person B", but doesn't have a way to uncheck it after issue been resolved and instead creates a loop of police requests to find that person.
Orwell couldn't imagine this shit...

[sterile plinth]

Buy from AliExpress, even cheaper

[tough owl]

more magic smoke

[visual tree]

I don't like AliExpress because you never know what you get

[sterile plinth]

even from china a battery is a bettery

for basic products like single use batteries or metal screws it's hard to get scammed

[tribal kraken]

Temu and AliExpress been ok for me. Like cables, zipties, electric connectors, garage door remote.

[pure karma]

Why do people even buy non rechargeable batteries

[wanton orchid]

it's possible to get scammed with batteries
you basically get dead cells

[pure karma]

i get that there 1.5V instead of 1.2V but iv literally nerver had a problem just using rechargeable ones instead

[visual tree]

Might as well buy rechargeable batteries though

[wanton orchid]

Anyway aliexpress is like Amazon
you get what you select
if you select shit untrusted reseller you'll get scammed
but there also are ok and pretty good stuff

give much more care when buyin rechargeable
there is no point in buying rechargeable that you will not be able to reuse a lot

[visual tree]

Will definitely need 4 rechargeable batteries for a mouse and meta quest controllers since they drain fast. For other electronics, standard batteries will do fine

[dire igloo]

There are ways to make sure you do.
Shop specific models/internals, prepare for designs to be different

I either buy stuff that is known good (specific models) or that are hard to do wrong (DnD dice)

[dire igloo]

This. 100% this.

[visual tree]

If I order from AliExpress, need to make sure they ship a product from EU or else I'll pay import duty which costs more than the batteries themselves

[wanton orchid]

eu Import is vat

it can't cost more than batteries unless you got scammed with process fees

[visual tree]

Here, you would only pay VAT for batteries but they will charge you processing fees for determining if you need to pay additional import duty even though you don't

Processing fee would be like €15 to €20 which defeats the purpose of saving money

[pure karma]

my quest 2 controllers really dont drain that fast

they do on rechargeable batteries because of the lower voltage however

but iv been using the same batteries playing everyday for like a month now and i think last i checked there still at 80%

[visual tree]

My quest 3 controller batteries drain faster and they are Duracell, not some cheap batteries

There is no way they would last a month if I played every day in my case

[pure karma]

thats what i have in mine rn

[visual tree]

Guess quest 3 controllers drain batteries more compared to quest 2

[pure karma]

But it probably makes sense since dosent the quest 3 controllers use actual sensors instead of infra red

[visual tree]

This 👆

[pure karma]

Then again i also fully power off my headset each time or else its dead in 24 hours of not being plugged in

so that might help somehow

[dire igloo]

Plus maybe 10€ processing fee

[jagged snow]

Dual gpu has a use again?
(Not actually making an argument to that effect, I just thought this was interesting)

https://github.com/Lossless-Scaling-New-2025/ can do framegen on a second gpu so you don't take the base fps hit that you normally do with fg

Best use case IMO would be to have it run on an igpu as long as you don't mind the little extra heat load

[thin trout]

the good mice come with rechargeable lithium ion batteries installed internally

[sand saddle]

Whichever genius engineer/designer/stupid person thought it would be a great idea to put an air filter at the exhaust of my robot vacuum that’s accessible by taking the whole thing apart can go fuck himself.

It works🥳

[mental oriole]

So that incompetent people throw it away and buy a new one.

[tough owl]

I love E-waste

Kinda tempted to buy a robot vacuum and mop but cheap ones suck unless I go used

[sterile plinth]

I love the implication that genius engineer is another way to say stupid person

[sand saddle]

Yeah, I’d love a proper nice one. This one is kinda ass and was very overpriced, didn’t know better at the time.

[visual tree]

I paid my 4 year old Roomba around €300-350. Does it's job but sometimes get stuck in a specific corner even though light is turned on (error 17)

For that money, I am very happy because I hate vacuuming under the bed so much (and rest of the house)

[safe trench]

i mean they are kind of smart for doing that

[night girder]

Who or what pinged me 😠

[night girder]

Why not buy rechargeable?

[dire igloo]

I just didn't.

[night girder]

Nah you wouldn't.

[safe trench]

just wait for windows 10 to leave

[dire igloo]

I rarely delete messages tbf, so you hardly ever get a ghost ping from me

[visual tree]

I might buy 4 rechargeable batteries for electronics that drain batteries fast and buy regular batteries for everything else

Not sure who pinged you but smells like that cat person

[night girder]

Don't good rechargeable batteries hold charge pretty well?

[night girder]

Are you a cat person? 👀 ||Because it was you haha, replying to me about the layout of the wifi extenders.||

[visual tree]

Haven't used rechargeable batteries in like 15 years. Technology has probably advanced by now I hope

[night girder]

We use them for microphones and stuff on stage. We got like a shitton of them 🤣

[dire igloo]

I think it has - by shifting away from rechargeable batteries in standard battery formats

[visual tree]

I was referring to Maxeek, he loves to ping you but not sure if it's him

[dire igloo]

Stuff that's meant to be rechargeable now has built in batteries and USB charging

[visual tree]

Maybe I pinged you regarding that wifi layout

[dire igloo]

So the only reason for sticking with the classic formfactor batteries was disposable use

[night girder]

All good. You can ping me any time of the day/night!

[night girder]

Don't fully agree in the sense that a lot of bands still bring gear that uses those batteries.

Then their batteries die and they look at us to fix it.

[visual tree]

I won't before 09:00 and after 11:00 though

[night girder]

We got backup batteries on backup batteries... all charging the whole time. If something goes wrong, we just take them out and go go go .

[visual tree]

I might buy rechargeable Duracell batteries since you know what you get with Duracell

[night girder]

I do agree, that new electronics, should try to prevent batteries and use rechargable if needed.

But imagine this. lead singer microphone dies of battery.

He can;'t just go charge is backstage during a gig 🤣

So that means he would need two rechargeable microphones?

Or just have batteries, replace them in a few seconds and go.

Thing is; classic batteries have a purpose. You can't just replace them all with rechargable buildin battery.

[night girder]

Yeah, sorry, I might replied early.

[visual tree]

There are amazon basics batteries too but I read somewhere a person did test and found out they performed terrible

[night girder]

Eh, I would research properly.

Just so you get most bang for the buck.

[tough owl]

I can't wait

[dire igloo]

Yeah, but the demand for rechargeable batteries has died out.
Most consumer tech moved to built in batteries with USB charging - more convenient with smartphones growing popular and easier to plan obsolescence

And the few usecases that still used standard formfactor batteries didn't justify the inconvenience of a whole separate charger.
Their power consumption was so low that it was just cheaper and more convenient to use disposable batteries

Your usecase is pretty much a niche

And probably better fitted with stuff like 18650

[night girder]

True, I only see it a lot in places with stage (festivals, theatres, etc).

I have a old guitar tuner that needed some batteries. Went to buy a new one and now I have one with USB C 👌

[sterile plinth]

exactly this

there's products where you will only need to change the battery once or twice in your lifetime (such as the guitar tuner)

Especially the small form factor disposable batteries, the ones used for flashlights watches etc are useful as hell

[night girder]

flashlight does make sense to have batteries.

[sterile plinth]

guitar tuner too

[night girder]

or run around with a battery pack and a USB cable when out in the wild.

[sterile plinth]

You mean as a survival tool, I get it

But I would consider a USBC guitar tuner overkill as well

[night girder]

Oh yeah, sorry. Outdoor flashlight.

[night girder]

Well, the old one had two batteries. I guess it reduces waste to have USB C tuner.

[sterile plinth]

considering it's a Device you use for maybe 10 minutes a month I don't see it running out anytime soon lol

I've had one too

[night girder]

I can only speak for myself and a few people I've seen it happen, people tend to forget turn of tuner and start playing.

[dire igloo]

Or just charge it while at home so you don't take an almost empty flashlight with you

[night girder]

And what for long outdoor trips? Multiple days. Wilderness. Like I said; battery pack and cable maybe.

[dire igloo]

Know your battery runtime

[sterile plinth]

And then bring a power bank for your flashlight when it runs out 🤣🤣

[night girder]

Yeah that helps soldiers. Guys your flashlight will run 1 day. But you have to go on a 5 day trip. Good luck 🫡

[dire igloo]

But yeah, maybe consider smth with replaceable batteries for that

[night girder]

Or firefighters. Police.

And people tend to forget to charge it. Having a few batteries is a quick fix. Shops sell them etc.

I don't know. I rather also have no batteries to reduce waste.

[dire igloo]

And rare enough of a usecase for rechargeable replacement batteries to not be commercially visble

[night girder]

If we all carry around battery packs it solved. Right

[sterile plinth]

Exactly, charging still takes time

Disposable batteries instantly provide all the electricity it needs

[night girder]

things like this;

[sterile plinth]

Without you having to wait

[dire igloo]

They have special equipment storage with backup equipment.
If they take any battery powered equipment on their shift and it's not 80%+ I'd be surprised

[night girder]

True!

[sterile plinth]

Charging a Tesla car without a special supercharging gas station takes like close to a day

[night girder]

Still, it's handy you can fix it on spot if you have batteries in the car.

And don't have to drive back 😉

[dire igloo]

Yup - that's why disposable batteries are still a thing

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-gif-13575853101874488635

[sterile plinth]

The bane of Xbox controller users

[night girder]

Haha 🤣 I totally forgot about that.

[sterile plinth]

I know people with an Xbox that have been buying new disposable batteries for 5 years straight

and they always say "I'll buy rechargable ones later"

[night girder]

I had xbox 360, yup 😄

Also looks pretty bulky ngl. The battery enclosure.

[sterile plinth]

They still make modern controllers like this

idk what they're thinking

[night girder]

HP mouse of my mom has batteries I think.

Looks something like this:

[sterile plinth]

I hate these mice

Bro, you don't even want to see my collection of batteries for the orochi v2

I had close to 50 batteries lying around in my desk

and I'm assuming you know the ghost charging phenomenon where if you leave a battery alone for a few days it recharges on it's own

Whenever one ran out I just picked a random one up and it usually worked

[night girder]

or if there were two, switching them

[sterile plinth]

The orochi has the genius design of taking either an AA or an AAA battery, but not both at the same time

so yeah the battery was shitty too

[pure karma]

i havent had to change the battery in the mouse i use with my laptop once

and iv been using it for a year almost everyday

[safe trench]

im pretty sure those batteries are worth more than the controller at that point

[bronze jasper]

steam controller takes batteries and the way they made it, it's so insanly difficult to get the batteries back out

[pure karma]

that looks about as sadistic as my mouse

[charred relic]

Good rechargeable AA and AAA cells are a thing. Like Eneloop

I use a ton of them. Remotes, controllers, mice, portable keyboard…

[jagged snow]

Finally getting my server up and running this week!
5600x w/ 32 gigs of ddr4 and 4x8tb drives in raidz1 running truenas community

(May actually run mirror+stripe if I decide I need the extra edge in read speed since I'm going to be accessing files off of it directly)

[pure karma]

dont forget the most important step: breaking it

[jagged snow]

I could always bring you along if I think that needs to happen

[soft bloom]

Using gpt5 mini to troubleshoot psu... It doesn't boot at all today, no activity, not even sound.
It's unusul to see llm ask lcarifying questions on its own

SuGgests shorting with paperclip and measuring voltages... Should be safe enough

Silly me tried to short pins on MB side and was like "wait this pin is empty... What ma I even doing - switch is on MB side, not PSU side" haha

So I heard hdd starting but no fan noise...
Unless it's actually that silent at first.
Strange, it's definitely different behavior from regular power button press

Llm asking me meadure voltages and check their stability in short sessions of 10-30 seconds to not strain psu w/o load ...
Sounds sketchy

[pure karma]

well no shit sherlock your trying to kill yourself and are too brainwashed by the ai to realise it

[soft bloom]

Which part of this is dangerous?..

[pure karma]

the messing with a power supply part

so all of it

[languid gulch]

this channel got much more tolerable once i blocked him for spreading misinformation

[soft bloom]

It's literally following article from Corsair
I doubt they would want to loose their clients

[pure karma]

fair enough

[soft bloom]

So i am more inclined to sya that you got "brainwashed" with anti ai and anti consumer repair/troubleshooting rights

[languid gulch]

lol see what i mean

and i've never seen any professional say anything about a PSU except "unless you're a qualified expert, don't touch the thing that can actually kill you"

ram? fine. cpu? sure. gpu? yup. thing with enough current sitting in its caps to stop your heart? not a fucking chance

[thin trout]

Modern mice with li-ion batteries like phones are really good. You have to recharge them for 15 mins.. twice a week if you're using them 12hrs a day with 8k polling, but only once or twice a month with more casual usage or lower polling rates.

The batteries to do that weigh a fraction of what an alkaline AAA battery does (~2-6g) and they're rechargeable for thousands of cycles.

Wireless mice from before the ~ G pro wireless have massively worse batteries and all kinds of issues. The Orochi 2015 weighs upto 110g (so it's ~twice as dense as these modern wireless mice, even with lower weight batteries!) and has its center of mass miles away from the center of the mouse, for example, those things alone make it far less usable.

[soft bloom]

Since when paperclip test, showcased in LTT videos, is dangerous?
To be clear, no one is opening psu casing, I know better then that

[languid gulch]

my biggest peeve about it is that almost all of them are wire-soldered to the pcb

gimme a connector so i can swap it out when it dies

[thin trout]

Ye, not all though

[languid gulch]

i bought the logi G533 headset specifically because it has an easily swappable battery

and i haven't used rechargeable AA/AAAs since lithium ion showed up, the old generation ones were so crappy it pushed me away

[thin trout]

wireless headsets still add a substantial amount of latency, hasn't been fixed yet. I guess because they push far more data than a mouse does.

[languid gulch]

yea but meh

nothing i use has sound as a super critical part of gameplay

[thin trout]

It's fine for some stuff i just find it noticable and annoying (and a headphone cable to be less negatively impactful than a mouse cable)

the mice that we have now are basically better in every way than the best wired 2018 mouse, and they're also wireless with those batteries, so that's really cool

[soft bloom]

So which exact part of this
www.silverstonetek.com/upload/downloads/QA/PSU/PSU-Paper Clip-EN.pdf
Is of any danger?

[bronze jasper]

lol brainwashed by the ai. lol. meanwhile, that's actually good advice and is how you test electronics to make sure they work, but you should be a trained electriction or have experience with something like that before going and probing a PSU with a meter still. The true brianwashing here is being so against LLMs and AI that you can't accept any knowledge from them, even good advice

i jump start my pc with a paperclip everyday. just not that way. i bridge two pins on my mobo, i just happen to know which pins would go to the the power button. like i said before, i salvaged an alien ware case and i've never gottena round to adapting dell's power button circuitry to my msi mobo. at one point i intended to custom make my own power button but this has been working well and i haven't got around to it yet

bridging those two pins in your power connector is the same idea. it's just a signal circuit

[soft bloom]

to be clear, I did search for a proper article and followed it instead of ai answer which was only used to get. Gist of what to do.
It's always better this way when there's any doubt or danger. which there is generally when ac is involved...
But 24pin connector has no ac in itself, only dc, up to 12v. If you don't involve cpu part, then there really isn't much current going. The PS on pin isn't carrying much energy at all. And you don't uave need need tot ouch it while psu is on, or even with your bare hands - isolated tweezers are an option.

I didn't go for measuring voltages since it's enough for me that fan spins when turned on this way.
Which doesn't happen with front power button.
Should try booting without it

[bronze jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI7eSNY6YkE this guy shows the procedure very well. not just the paperclip jumpstart, but using the meter to monitor all the voltages

if you never done it before, there are lots of youtubes demonstrating how to test a psu with a multimeter. watch a few to get a good lay of the land

oh i'm reading the complete conversation now and have seen you already know what you're doing. cool

lol brainwashed with "anti ai" is so true. These things aren't causing a massive bubble because they're useless. if you use them intelligently then you're on the fast track to success

[sharp matrix]

While its true they aren't useless, we still certainly are in a massive bubble

[bronze jasper]

yeah. i said that. so i'm double tru.

its from over investment, not because it's a fad that'll fail. the bubble comes from it being so early in the game right now and there are many killer apps to be found

[sharp matrix]

Only real question i have is when the bubble is going to pop and what happens after that, because ai actually has practical applications, its only the value and money thats being thrown around that seems to be spiraling out of control

[bronze jasper]

i'd sooner say it's a whole new computational paradigm than it is a fad. but i wouldn't bet on either of those outcomes just yet.

AI already has tons of practical applications. LLMs even. and they're only going to get better at those applications. But there are more to be found still

[soft bloom]

From a different niche Discord

[bronze jasper]

that's so hot

[soft bloom]

Well, I had to troubleshoot 1kW generator once.

And even had been electrocuted once with a faulty ussr lab equipment, arm to arm. Not pleasant.
So keeping an eye on what my arms are touching and grounding is first priority 🙂

[bronze jasper]

being electrocuted once is a great way to learn not to be electrocuted again

in theory

[soft bloom]

Huh, so either I somehow fail to short power switch pins because of dust...
Or something wrong with MB

Or... I should indeed check voltages

[soft bloom]

Huh, he doesn't worry about leaving psu running without load, which llm warned me about

[soft bloom]

Having modular cables is nice when you need swap PSU
Ehich probably comes only once in it's lifetime...
So better have a reliable psu in the first place

Swapping for identiacl unit immediately booted PC.
I guess it loved for long 2 years... Wiat a minute, that's not that long

[dire igloo]

How is it difficult?
You just push these little pins that are marked with the arrows and they jump right out

[bronze jasper]

no shit. i always thought those were the buttons for the paddle that covers them

they made the batteries pop right out this whole time huh?

[dire igloo]

Yup

I think it's a dual function

[bronze jasper]

TIL

well, without that, it's really difficult

[dire igloo]

100% agree

[soft bloom]

I wonder if having both 8pin power pins on GPU hooked from same cable bus to the PSU (effectively only 1 set of 8 pins) did wear it out a bit more
though anyway it's rated for 750W, and GPU was running under 120W, combined with CPU at 65 TDP... don't think it was actually stretching anything

[clear garden]

hmmm I am trying to buy a used PC, this one has a PSU as seen from the images but doesnt list it. Would it be worth it and are there any issues with it at first glance?

[soft bloom]

also no MB specs
RAM only lists brand and total volume, but no clock & timing

[clear garden]

true

[dire igloo]

Ask for model on MB and PSU. Ram clock/timing isn't that important, can be adjusted manually too.

Other than that:

• old platform, no upgrade path
• unknown price
• when under stress, the CPU might run hot under that cooler
• SSD is meh (if 980 and not 980 pro)

Other pictures don't really help with recognizing PSU
Some may have a different perspective on the MB so you might be able to spot a model number printed on the PCB

[verbal raft]

[verbal raft]

like CPU side if i want a smaller file size than AV 1 VCE and same or better quality it encodes at a rate of 10-20fps

[tough owl]

its more efficient though

[pure karma]

its efficient but believe it or not having 1 frame every 20 seconds is not ideal for a video

iv recorded purely on my 13700K before when i was rocking the igpu IT SUCKED

[verbal raft]

i know but when if i wanna do that encoding takes 20 times as long
its not really worth it IMO

[verbal raft]

it shouldnt be THAT bad

[pure karma]

purely cpu encoding at 1080P? heck yea its that bad

[verbal raft]

my 5600G can handle X264 at a high quality setting at like 15fps (1080p)

[pure karma]

let me see if i can find a recording

[verbal raft]

handbrake RE-encode though

[pure karma]

i think i deleted them all tho cause this was like 2 years ago at this point

yea no i dont have the ones im thinking of when i was playing raft with some freinds

[verbal raft]

well, at least it Looked good

[pure karma]

let me see if i can find i diffrent one

[verbal raft]

like here the H264 one is almost the same size as the scource footage yet its not even close in detail

[pure karma]

no the detail was ok ish the problem was the framerate

i did manage to get it working on beamNG drive when i split the load 50/50 with the igpu but it was still terrible

[verbal raft]

thats not what i meant
i meant that CPU encoding is higher quality than GPU encoding

[pure karma]

yea BUT ITS SO SLOWWWWW

[verbal raft]

unless you go for a much higher bitrate for GPU

[verbal raft]

especially on my weak ass R5 5500 LOL

[pure karma]

Real time cpu only encoding in obs was the biggest mistake of my life

[verbal raft]

mine too

[pure karma]

i eventually swapped in my blown up 1660 super to end the suffering when my 4070ti got delayed but holy i wouldent want to go back

[tough owl]

uh oh

[pure karma]

i think it was great to learn how to optimise recording and what settings affect what but holy cow was it rough

i can only find the test recording i did which wasent nearly as bad

i deleted the recording i was thinking of tho

and its mkv so it dosent upload... right

[twin dew]

Uploaded fine, just no embed.

[verbal raft]

just rename it to mp4 and upload again

[pure karma]

no ik but like thats the whole point

actually honest question? whats the reason behind no embeds on MKV?

ima check my windows old folder if by miracle i have a clip or anyhting from then but yea i doubt it

yea no all i have is xbox game bar clips that are perfectly normal since it used the igpu

[verbal raft]

bruh
H264 looking better than AV 1

(ever so slightly though)

[verbal raft]

what encoder where you using ?

AV 1 SVT/AOM ?

[pure karma]

probably software or H whatever it is

cause AV1 isent supported and wasent a thing back then on OBS and i probably just left it on whatever it defaulted to

[verbal raft]

then its probably X264

[pure karma]

heck i dont even record in AV1 now

it caused to many issues with obs trying to offload to my igpu and since it dosent support AV1 causing huge problems and whole system crashes

and even after disabling my igpu i couldn't be bothered to go back when H264 works so reliably

i dont care about file size and if im being real i dont need an encoding tehcnology any better than 1440P at 172FPS

i do want to try out AV1 on the B580 tho if its supported on linux

[verbal raft]

honetly, Recording on CPU is a pretty bad idea in any remotely CPU heavy game
even when it isnt CPU heavy its questionable

[pure karma]

yea just you can probably understand why i dident want to sacrefice more of the igpu when i was barely getting 20FPS myself at minimum settings

i do definitely want to revisit the concept at some point and see if i can get cpu encoding to work ok for the fun of it but thats a project for later

[verbal raft]

why is my CPU being loaded while im using GPU encoding on Handbrake ?

[pure karma]

coordination?

i know video takes a lot more cpu than you would think to process when its raw

[verbal raft]

its not raw

[jagged snow]

You're moving quite a bit of data, and even gpu encoding isn't quite as simple as "load file, feed to gpu, get encoded file back"

[twin dew]

And there might be other things set if you aren't careful, that run on the CPU.

Outside the pure encoding.

[verbal raft]

like what ?

or maybe its just that im at like 600fps

[pure karma]

i have been doing so much recently its insane

[twin dew]

Resizing for example will almost certainly run on CPU in Handbrake.
And same if you have anything under that Filters.
And lot of other things.

[pure karma]

idk how im not burned out

[verbal raft]

oh

[pure karma]

i changed desks completely redid my whole setup 3 times finished 2 big video projects iv been working on for fun and to just improve, im redoing all my networking tonight, my mic decided it dident want to live anymore so now i ordered a new one and im gonna have a full audio setup, i had to prepare my laptop for school, setup all my game streaming stuff aswell. and probably reinstall windows instead of linux on my second pc until i get another drive because the aditional unnecessary latency on linux is just not it

so much to do and so little time

oh and did my driving test and you know life stuff on top

all in the like past month

im such a workaholic and its a problem but truth is i love it and i dont want to stop

[sterile plinth]

what does it mean to redo networking

I mean, my networking is just a router and an Ethernet cable

[sterile plinth]

hey, I tried rebuilding bcd again and it didn't seem to work

Is there anything else I can try? This for sure is quite the hassle for just moving a partition

[twin dew]

Rest of the stuff you tried earlier to fix the issue?
Before the NTFS identifier change.

[sterile plinth]

You're asking what the stuff is or if I tried what I did after before too

[twin dew]

Suggesting that you try all the other things too beside the specific BCDedit commands you listed here to be run after.
And checking if the listed boot entries in that BCD when you check them are sane or not.

[bronze jasper]

audio encoding, decoding the original video source, syncing the audio to the video. media encoding is more than just a one step process and having the gpu do video encoding is just one of the steps

[pure karma]

second pc is ethernet only so i need a switch

[glossy glacier]

have fun

[pure karma]

or its literally just a brick

[verbal raft]

i get it, but i thought decoding could be done on the GPU

[glossy glacier]

handbrake does not support decoding on amd or nvidia

[verbal raft]

not even Nvidia ? bruh

[glossy glacier]

nope. only Intel QSV for video decode. most encoders work for video. everything else is CPU

[verbal raft]

thats pretty dumb
no ?

[glossy glacier]

ah, i need to correct myself. apparently google presented me with the old 1.2.0 docs
in 1.9.0 NVDEC is supported

AMD VCN is still encoding only
and everything for video only, everything else is still CPU

handbrake.fr/docs/en/latest/technical/video-vcn.html

[pure karma]

well jsut confirmed the switch and cabling works

so now to actually set it up right and not just all over the floor

surprisingly only loosing 55mbit through 70FT of cabling

[bronze jasper]

you shouldn't lose any speed over a cat 5e or 6 cable. 1GB should be sustained up to 100m

[pure karma]

i tought cat6 was 50FT

[jagged snow]

Cat6 is 10gig for 100m

Sorry, that's 6a

Which is more standard

Base cat6 can do 10gbase-t for 55m

[pure karma]

really? hmmm i guess that explains the bursts in speed that added up exceed 1000Mbit despite me only having 1000mbit

cause i will getting like 800mbit speedtest on two at once but i only have a gigabit source

i have so much excess cable lenght i have no idea how on earth im going to cable manage it

with this much i dont think its possible im gonna have to spool it at the middle in one way or another

[visual tree]

Company finally upgraded my laptop RAM from 8 GB to 16 GB and there is no more freezing 🙂

Guess 8 GB is no longer enough even for business use and you need 16 GB minimum these days

[bronze jasper]

i shoulda said "you wont lose any speed at that distance"

[visual tree]

*although MS Teams loves to eat memory....

[pure karma]

i was fine with 4GB on win11 with no issues outside of games

but running out with 8GB with just browsers and the office suite is odd

unless your using firefox which at that point theres your answer cause you have a good amount of ram wasted if your firefox behaves anything like mine and sits at like 3.5GB of ram usage on average

[visual tree]

Corporate laptops also probably have a lot of background processes eating RAM. I use Chrome atm

[pure karma]

yea i could see monitoring spyware and windows defender combined to cause issues actually

the amount of times i have checked task manager on a potato laptop and seen windwos defender 90% is too many

[visual tree]

I got so happy when I could open a pdf file without freezing + other apps in the background at the same time

[pure karma]

i need to remember to be careful on linux tho cause i dont have an anti virus and i keep forgetting that

[visual tree]

IT guy installed RAM in 5 minutes while I was at break eating lunch lol

I wonder if they ordered OEM Dell RAM or some other brand with same specs. Going to check tomorrow

IT Ticket status was once at "Pending vendor" so I guess they checked with Dell if they have OEM memory sticks for my model

[bronze jasper]

Starship test launch broadcast begins in about 70-80 min. it might be scrubbed cause of weather but they haven't said anything about that yet.

rockets that are bigger than the saturn v are cooool. i'm not the biggest fan of elon and his heiling ways, but i'm a huge fan of rockets

[jagged snow]

How much would y'all trust the reliability of an 11yo evga supernova 1000p2

[thin trout]

probably fine but i try to use PSU's in warranty

[jagged snow]

To be fair it's only 6mo out of warranty 😄

[thin trout]

ye

by probably fine i mean like

don't run a 5090 on it cause that is a whole bag of worms with liability etc

but it probably won't cause an issue

[jagged snow]

Yeah
9070xt and a 7800x3d

It was gonna go in my server where it'd see like 120w max but I don't have enough modular sata cables for the drives

So I might have to pull the PSU out of my daily and swap them

Other option is to put this ancient 700w thermaltake toughpower in there but I'd trust it much less than the evga unit

Because I'd be perfectly fine using the new build with the 750w evga in my current unit as well

But it has the sata cables I need

Its one of those things where it's a quality enough product that I can probably count on the protections being far from the first thing to fail as well

[pure karma]

At the same time when do PSU protections ever really kick in

the likelihood of you needing them is always rather low

[pure karma]

i dont know what to make of having a cable managed setup for the first time ever

having spent the past like 16 hours? idk i lost count cable managing this

[soft bloom]

Another reminder about "rules":
www.earth.com/news/100-year-old-chemistry-rule-bredts-rule-double-bonds-bridge-ring-system-proven-false/
Mostly holds, but isn't unbreakable, proven by practice

[dire igloo]

Extract from Wikipedia:
Chemists have been working on finding exceptions since the 60s

Article:
"This is not a tiny correction. It is like learning that you can divide by zero under narrowly defined conditions."

What's new:
They managed to stabilize these intermediates long enough so they can react with smth else

But it's not a century old rule that was blindly followed, never challenged and just now accidentally broken

[verbal raft]

1st community SVT version preset 7
2nd old version SVT preset 7
3rd VCE AV 1 quality mode (old version)
4th VCE AV 1 quality mode (new version)

all 1080p 60 (same footage)

[verbal raft]

also
somehow the VCE AV1 on the new handbrake actually looks a smidge better than the old one

[ivory rampart]

It does

Not just slightly

Clear improvement in clarity

[sharp matrix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdUwn7ItaZE chatgpt 5 is a failure🤣

havent really been following this but holy hell, closedai is really screwing things up even more than i expected

Just goes to show how quickly even established models can regress so much

Thankfully I don't rely or depend on them, rarely use any of the ai tools myself also, probably a good thing to considering what is happening with these current models, for better or for worse

[verbal raft]

maybe i was previously running RDNA 3's AV1 and now that i updated its running RDNA 4's AV1

[ivory rampart]

its at the same bitrate?

[verbal raft]

yes.

same file size too

[sharp matrix]

hmmm looking at it, the newer encoder does seem to have captured more detail in the produced image, not bad

I would say its overall better

[verbal raft]

i wonder if H264 improved as well

[sharp matrix]

only one way to find it👀

[verbal raft]

cuz previously at 6MBps (im encoding 6mbps here) it was pretty much unusable

[verbal raft]

cuz like it was straight garbo

[sharp matrix]

yep h264 looks worse🙂

I would stay with AV 1

[verbal raft]

that old AV1 made a complete mockery out of H264

[verbal raft]

well
its diferent

P6 still has more of those wird artifacts than old P7

(wrong server lol)

[soft bloom]

idk what Gearbox did, but I can tell it's borderlands just from the font & health bar

[verbal raft]

they are some of the most iconic games tho

[soft bloom]

well, the cell shading they used to differentiate from other shooters is not that presen on these shots

so I am a bit surprised that status bar is enough to recognise

they did good job with style overall

though for codec comparison I would go for something with leaves, as its a more common visual feature then cell shading.
that said, I remember BL2 as having insane amount of PhysX particles, so they could be a good bench too. dunno about 3rd game

[sharp matrix]

borderlands 4 has a super deluxe edition, 130 usd

dont remember the last time i played a borderlands game, but boy the pricing of these newer games looks to be going out of this world

and the naming schemes here seem to be pure cringe

[soft bloom]

naming?
it was 'none', 2, presequel, 3, 4... no?

oh, and Tiny Tinas something

wonderlands?

[sharp matrix]

have you seen super deluxe edition yet

[soft bloom]

I got last 2 (pre 4) from EGS for free, so... didn't feel anything

[soft bloom]

no. why would I?

[sharp matrix]

good, probably for the best

i had to look out of curiosity and now have a sense of regret

[soft bloom]

unless something is a DLC and base game is nominated for GOTY (subjectively) - I don't even bother huumoring myself with non-base editions

[verbal raft]

3rd game decided to go UE 4 and when it came out it was a pretty heavy game to run

[soft bloom]

but is it visually hard on codecs?
I don't remember any comments on particle system or anything else visually demanding

[verbal raft]

oh, yeah, 100% hard on codecs
even more so that the old ones since its much quicker paced than BL2/pre sequel and especially VS BL1
and there are general far more particle effects

[sharp matrix]

agreed, but just looking at this it actually gets wors, you have to go with the super deluxe edition just to get all of the story missions, lord help us

meaning the base game doesn't even include all of the story content....

is gearbox turning into another corporation that is just going to milk its own franchises for everything it can

[soft bloom]

everything I remember about BL2 is barely managing to shoot all the bullets during Maya's ult that signifacntly impacted FPS (the cataclism that creautes a firework of visual noise)
And in presequel you can fly around as Athena with no rest

[soft bloom]

the thing is that AAA games are not for gamers - they are for investors to make profit
enjoying game is not part of the deal
gaming industry looks much more interesting once you turn away from blockbusters, towards passion projects

[sharp matrix]

BL2 was the last one i played, im just looking at this out of curiosity but now just feel increasing regret

[soft bloom]

not saying it cannot be better, just a rule of thumb

[sharp matrix]

true, why essentially you have to pay 130 usd to get the complete game

i thought the base game was the complete game, but it isn't....

[verbal raft]

i love how this channel could just be its own discord server

[pure karma]

it really could

its just the random goblins that hid away channel

[sharp matrix]

[verbal raft]

like this channel* has its own little community that talks about whatever comes to mind

[sharp matrix]

sorry we talked about BL and I just had to look at BL4, now i wished i didnt

[verbal raft]

even though its meant to be a tech channel

[verbal raft]

im not trying to be a make belive moderator
i just thought it was funny to point out

[sharp matrix]

lets just pretend BL4 doesn't exist

[soft bloom]

it's a tech for tech nerds who talk about anything

[soft bloom]

it can't hurt you unless you pay for it

[pure karma]

ehh off topic is off topic

anything is a technology if you say so

[soft bloom]

language is an interesting technology

[sharp matrix]

hmmm pay 130 usd for the complete game, im going to be waiting a while for this to go on sale

[verbal raft]

im enjoying this far too much

[sharp matrix]

enjoying my inner pain looking at it

[night girder]

[sharp matrix]

apparently they thought scaling would allow them to reach AGI, so they spent half a trillion dollars proving it doesn't work

[night girder]

[sharp matrix]

yep and made a ai that now can't even do basic math right

[night girder]

But it seems another case of; Sam Altman and Co hyping up next release with unrealistic promises.

new version gets released with too much hype

new versions doesn't meat hype expactations and you get backlash/dissapointment.

[sharp matrix]

I wonder if this is what they envision with AGI, inability to do even the most basic of math

[dire igloo]

We tried to make computer more like humans and in the end we got computers that were so good at pretending to be human, they became bad at being computers

[night girder]

Startup Hakk makes a good point, why not redirect math problems to a model that is made for math.

but openAI wants to show how confident they are in their "intelligence."

[sharp matrix]

or just give it to a calculator

[sharp matrix]

I mean even basic calculators wouldnt get that problem wrong....

makes one wonder what chatgpt is even doing anymore

[night girder]

thinking

[sharp matrix]

I would have asked chatgpt for the proof of x = -0.21, because

And watch the model have a nervous break down

[night girder]

Oh, and they nuked the old models. Wow. So no access to old models.

And everyone has to use chatGPT 5 now?

Also, I find it weird they try to add "personalities" to code.

You can change the personalities ... but I don't want that. Just answer correct 🤣

What are we with the way AI answers, if the answer is wrong.

[sharp matrix]

yep looking at it now, cynic looks fun

[dire igloo]

How would you determine if a problem is made for math or linguistic prediction?

[night girder]

We have all these cherries. But no cake!

[pure karma]

just helping make people not use it

[night girder]

It's called artificial intelligence. Sure they find a way. It should be able to do that.

I even can set it to life coach rofl.

[dire igloo]

Yeah, it's called that. Which is one of the many issues with it.
It's an LLM. It's a linguistic predictor.
It's not intelligent, it just mimics human speech.
Unlike a parrot it has become very good at that, but it's still just that: an imitator

[sharp matrix]

same way the models are somehow going to reach AGI I imagine, aka blackbox solution and they'll never tell us how it works

[night girder]

If an AI can seperate cat pictures from dog pictures, sure they can train it to spot math problems.

This is just worse, your 5th major release and it can't do basic math.

[dire igloo]

I feel like AGI will just be a fuckton of interconnected specialized systems that are managed by some central component

Like the IMO solver:
Run brute force maths solver, give to LLM for "creative" input, repeat until solved or timeout

[sharp matrix]

well apparently they "fixed it", I just tested it and it gave the correct answer....for now

you know until chatgpt 6, when who knows what will go wrong

[night girder]

Yeah 4 does it well.

[dire igloo]

Except these are two completely different systems and usecases.
An image recognition tool can't draw despite being far more on topic than an LLM

[night girder]

lol 5 went very minimalistic.

[dire igloo]

If you were to build a maths engine into ChatGPT, you'd still have the LLM first to determine whether it's a maths problem or not.

And just like LLM's outstanding capabilities at solving maths problems, they will struggle to recognize and accurately relay maths information to a separate system

[sharp matrix]

I remember when they said chatgpt was going to be phd levels of intelligence and im like well I would think a phd level of intelligence would be a bit beyond basic math

[dire igloo]

My main issue with AI is its marketing and its usage.

[dire igloo]

And then I think of the people I work with and realize that having a PhD doesn't mean you can do basic maths

[sharp matrix]

So chatgpt is being accurate after all

[dire igloo]

Reminds me of the time they fixed "how many R in strawberry" which fucked it up in other languages

[sharp matrix]

I remember the time when chatgpt lost its marbles, if it had one anyways and just started randomly going on and on abou stuff that didn't make any sense

I recall at the time because twitter/x had alot of stuff with people posting about it and how it seemed chatgpt was losing its mind

[night girder]

That's the marketing/hype talk. Probably to please investors.

who are probably not happy right now 😄

[sharp matrix]

probably yes

[pure karma]

i mean it will be once its not being monopolized

[dire igloo]

Lately I've seen so much AI generated content, bigoted takes, overcapitalized content and whatnot, that it made me wonder:
where on the internet I would have to go to get back that sense of community it used to have?

[night girder]

what do you mean?

[dire igloo]

I think I'm just burnt out from being chronically online

[pure karma]

everything is fake and everyone you interact with on social media is bots and npc comments

il say it for you

[dire igloo]

Anywhere I go, I see dead chatrooms, loaded political debates, AI slop, late stage capitalism, turbo-monetized slop and it just sucks

[night girder]

🤷‍♂️

[sharp matrix]

waiting for late stage ai

[night girder]

ever been to a pub?

it's the same.

[sharp matrix]

maybe chatgpt 5 is a sign we are slowly going into that now

[dire igloo]

I rarely go to pubs

[night girder]

Yeah... I had a hunch

[dire igloo]

Not everyone, luckily.
But far too many for it to be enjoyable

[night girder]

The amount of drunken discussions I had to hear about politics in pubs, too many ... 🤣

[pure karma]

ehh id say in my personal experience anyhting form the last 4 years is like 75%+ interacting with a brick wall of random bullshit

[night girder]

best part, next day everyone forgot 99% and on they go!

maybe disconnect from discord for a few days/weeks.

[dire igloo]

I feel like the social part of the internet is moving back to what it was before COVID.
People who know each other IRL that use the internet for doing stuff together.
And less so for people to meet online

[night girder]

touch some grass or something, I don't know 😄

[dire igloo]

And I just failed to get back on that train by building myself a primarily online social circle

[dire igloo]

Yeah, which is why I avoid that bullshit.
And it made me realize how empty the internet is nowadays

[dire igloo]

It's not discord. It's everything online.
And I just lack a local peergroup to be able to go offline

So it's an ever-repeating cycle

[pure karma]

honestly id say discord is one of the less afected platforms

anyhting with a comments section is way wost

[dire igloo]

I can't stay online because it's burning me out.
I don't go offline because almost my entire social circle is online.
I don't build offline connections because I'm chronically online

[night girder]

Personally opinion;

• It's not the internets fault. I have a great time depending on what I do and context. Discord is hit and miss, a lot of male ape behavior and "actually..." white knight high horsy stuff. But when it comes to ingame communities, playing the game with the headset on or just chat. I have a lovely time. It's all so predictable. You have the trolls. You have jesters. I laugh my ass off from time to time on the internet. Youtube comments etc are anothe beast. It really depends on context.

• You don't need social network to go outside. I do it all the time.

[pure karma]

honestly story of my life

and what dosent help is no one around me shares my interests and i hate doing things without a purpose

[night girder]

and another issue I have with the internet, human communication is more than words.

It's intonation, expression, body language, ... all these things fall away when chatting by text. So more room for misinterpretation/conflicts etc.

I could be crying right now and non of you would know.

[dire igloo]

A question out of curiosity:
How many people do you have face to face interactions with per day?
Just a rough average estimation

[pure karma]

personally maybe 3

[night girder]

same

[dire igloo]

For me, less than one.

[night girder]

Every though about doing volunteer work?

great way to meet new people 🙂

[dire igloo]

I have and I do.
I am active in a local esports club where I run their Twitter account and Twitch streams if there's a game going on

[night girder]

not what I had in mind but ok 😄

[dire igloo]

I have met plenty people, but I hardly ever do anything with them

[dire igloo]

I know

[night girder]

because it's still PC stuff 😛

[dire igloo]

I have thought about other things too, but there's nothing really there where I can see myself just stepping in and seeing where things go

I don't have much time to commit since I'm working full-time

[pure karma]

i work 3 months of the year not even

[night girder]

Weren't you doing D&D and in a group?

[dire igloo]

Which is one of the worst things about this whole ordeal: I work a full-time job and the amount of actual face-to-face conversations I have with anyone is basically zero

[dire igloo]

I'm a player in a group that hasn't played in months now and I have DM'd for two oneshots

[pure karma]

honestly you seem to just be having hte same problem im having

anyone i meet online mysteriously disapears unannounced for months on end out of nowhere and you end up back to square one

[dire igloo]

Worse: it's games that I don't really care about playing.
I absolutely love watching LoL or RL, but I suck at playing them.
So most of the people I meet, I could just hop in VC and play with them.
But they're far above my skill level and it's a game that I just don't really enjoy

[night girder]

I always invest to the people closest to me. My family.

All the rest, in real life or online, comes and goes. That's life.

Also, invest in yourself.

You knowe why? Your stuck with yourself forever 🤣

[pure karma]

yea im trying

but myself hates helping myself

cause i havent slept a good nights sleep in 6 days straight now

[night girder]

change is scary

[night girder]

I meant in real life D&D. It's seems all social interactions you have, is from behind a keyboard?

maybe you could benefit from a dog. Something that forces you to go outside daily for a walk.

if your work is IT. And your hobbies are all computer related... then you are kinda disconnected from the world.

[pure karma]

im glad i do have a few things out of tech i can do but yea 9 months out of the year i have nothing to do

i think im gonna go back to bed

[sharp matrix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IOh0S_L3C4, when you realize these current model can't reach AGI

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[dire igloo]

would love to tbh
Hard to find smth to do together tho

[dire igloo]

Both of those DND groups are IRL groups, nothing online.

not really two separate groups, a lot of overlap

[dire igloo]

Landlord doesn't allow dogs in the house.
And I would have to take it to work with me

My family has a dog which I'm regularly being asked to take care of.
Doesn't really work for me logistically

And the issue isn't really about not going outside, it's not knowing people

[night girder]

trust me, once you get a dog, you get to meet people.

or get a lot of chances 😛

[dire igloo]

I took up a new hobby in archery recently but I haven't gone there in weeks now due to shitty schedules on my side

[night girder]

that sounds cool.

I was thinking of also starting with shooting. But not bows 😛

[dire igloo]

Benefit of archery is that it's not just something to spend my time doing, it's a workout

[ivory rampart]

uhuh

bot tells me link was removed, but its still there

[sharp matrix]

Hmmm nope its gone

[ivory rampart]

odd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRWLQGMGY80
yt should be fine though.

[sharp matrix]

I see nothing

Guess it exists in some other dimension

[ivory rampart]

eitherway, AI costs are going through the roof and it does not look sustainable at all

[night girder]

Wasn't that predicted?

[sharp matrix]

It isnt, thats part of the bubble

Aka the bubble that's going to pop at some point

[ivory rampart]

probably by some?
but generaly a lot of people thought it would go down.
wich is true for older models.
but no one wants to use older models

[sharp matrix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eqRuVp65eY related

[ivory rampart]

and reasoning models are spamming tokens like there is no tomorow

roughly related

[sharp matrix]

the neural scaling laws is part of the reason why costs are going up, they are trying to throw more gpu compute at the problem, but its rapidly reaching diminishing returns because of how the models work

most likely its already at the limit and it won't get much better than it is now

[ivory rampart]

uh idk, reasoning in what i posted is that
reasoning models are using 100x the tokens of what non reasoning models use

so yeah its related in the way that they "cheat" better performance by just using way more compute for slightly better results

and vastly increased prices

[sharp matrix]

yeah why i think its roughly related, costs going up and its related to the neural scaling problem

[ivory rampart]

what im more interested in is low latency efficient models that still keep good performance

[sharp matrix]

they are trying to brute force to slightly better solutions but because of that line that can't be crossed, they aren't ever going to reach the results they would want

[ivory rampart]

thats the good stuff

[sharp matrix]

both are good video's that gives a think a decent picture of why the current approach has basically plateaued unless some drastic break throughs are found, aka a completely new way to try to simulate intelligence would need to be invented

failures like chatgpt 5, etc are just now the more recent examples of, why the models aren't going to be getting much better, not without a drastic rework of how the models even work at the most basic of levels anyways, but that would be probably another decade or more of research, such break throughs take alot of time and research

and even within the next decade its hard to say what break throughs could happen or what form they might take

[ivory rampart]

or if at all.
we might just get stuck for an eternity with only very marginal improvements over years

[willow pike]

we are deep in phase 4

[ivory rampart]

i think we are still in the beginning

way too many people are still overhpyed

somewhere here i think.
we are not getting the gains that everyone though we would get anymore, but it has not arived in a lot of peoples minds

[sharp matrix]

If that, you can see in the above video, there is that line no model can cross

[ivory rampart]

depends on what you mean by improvement

if we can continue to make models cheaper without losing performance

thats also improvement

(i might just not be getting it, i didnt watch the entire video)

[sharp matrix]

Performance in this case is measured in error rates and reducing error rates requires models with large parameters

Thats how the current models work anyways

[ivory rampart]

perhaps we mgiht see more specialized models

[sharp matrix]

Kind of funny when you consider what we have now isn't even close to a AGI, as all its doing is guessing what the next word is and trying to reduce the error to the response doesnt make itself sound stupid

[ivory rampart]

but it will take everyones job!!!
if you think its stupid, you must be prompting wrong!!!!

[willow pike]

it's a brittle mirage that you can snap with one wrong word

[sharp matrix]

Aka actual reasoning and intelligence more or less isnt involved here, why I can't help but look at these models and realize just how impossible AGI is with them, because you have something that can't actually grow or learn anything even close to how the brain works

[willow pike]

it will still probably take people's jobs even if it's shit. like how nobody likes supermarket self checkout and it leads to theft but they use it cause it's cheaper

[ivory rampart]

i like self checkout

[willow pike]

unexpected item in bagging area

[sharp matrix]

In other words reasoning with chatgpt and models like it is at best a pipe dream

[ivory rampart]

never had that happen.
idk what US shops use, but in germany it "just works"

for small or medium sized carts it works great

[sharp matrix]

And chatgpt not even being able to do basic math is proof these models learn nothing at all

We live in the illusion of ai, enjoy

[ivory rampart]

i enjoy ai.
i like it, i use it.
but i wont overhype it

[sharp matrix]

But the investors won't be happy without the hype, regardless of how far from reality that is

Imagine the investors arent happy with openai

[ivory rampart]

not just investors, average people act like AI is the next coming of christ.

[sharp matrix]

Because you known the hype train is ruined

[ivory rampart]

just yesterday got in an argument, because i dont feel like my job is in too much danger.
(finihshing my CS degree and working on the side in software dev)

[sharp matrix]

But dont worry chatgpt 6 hype is definitely a thing and likely in the works

[ivory rampart]

i cant even say that its in the works, because of the price explosions.

probably, but who knows realy

[sharp matrix]

Well thankfully I can ignore the price explosions

[ivory rampart]

i have gpt+

if they increase prices, im jumping ship

[sharp matrix]

I honestly dont use gpt enough for it

[ivory rampart]

i use it on my thesis project. (i DONT let it write anything, just bugfixing, brainstorming and other simple tasks)

[sharp matrix]

Its been months since I have even gone onto the site, just can't much practical use from it

[sharp matrix]

Actually suprised they haven't already, they lost 5 billion last year, idk off hand how much they'll lose this year

That isnt exactly a business that works, why I wonder how much longer openai will go on

[ivory rampart]

all the same to me, i dont have an attatchment to any specific model

i realy like ai for getting some quick questions answered

like i was eating a lot of canned tuna and started to worry about the mercury content.

so i had gpt do some research for me and it looked fine

[sharp matrix]

Only reason openai is still running is because it gets billions in investment, but as a investor you eventually want a return, so theres that

[ivory rampart]

sure i could have gone on google and looked for the info within like 30 minutes.
but instead it was a 5 minute job

[sharp matrix]

Probably what's going to happen is openai is going to go bankrupt and that will be the start of the ai bubble beginning to pop, likely to accelerate after that

[ivory rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/pirómano-meme-jeje-odio-bomberos-gif-15722930

now my feed is full of these

[sharp matrix]

Not even close

Its interesting how history repeats in a way, we had the dot com bubble, other bubbles after that, recent one is ai bubble

I guess people really like bubbles, we keep making them

[ivory rampart]

housing bubble is probably a thing rn too.
but thats a way slower moving thing

as things are going i wont own a home.
but maybe if that pops there will be a chance

[ivory rampart]

inflation fetish

[sharp matrix]

Well what else can happen, people buy homes they can't afford

We have had multiple housing bubbles, they always pop, because you price everyone out of the market

And no housing being sold can only go on for so long

Not a question on if, more of when all bubbles pop

That being said you can still find afford areas to move to, just have to avoid where housing inflation is currently happening

Like where I live housing inflation is going out of control and if you look to areas north there is much more affordable areas

[night girder]

They did? All I read the last year is; X country is building more data centers to handle AI request etc.

And in my simple little head; more data center = ⚡ 📈

[sharp matrix]

Guess X isnt long for this world either

Honestly dont know what these companies are thinking, speed run to bankruptcy

[sharp matrix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1QXZHV4jkM

Also related, they are certainly right LLMS aren't the future for ai, as getting to actual AGI requires much deeper approaches

[night girder]

What is it called? Race to the bottom? (I think it's a term applying to cheap products).

[mental oriole]

Took them long enough to figure that out.

[night girder]

The GN story is pretty crazy too 🤣 GN vs Bloomberg. ding ding - "Round one!".

[visual tree]

How would you put plumber's hemp on a concealed shut-off valve thread if the thread is inside the hole and your fingers can't reach it?

I need to replace the top part

Basically, I need to unscrew the top part and screw in a new part in a valve while somehow applying plumber's hemp on the thread that's inside the hole first

Hard to find qualified plumbers these days. Last one charged us a lot but installed terrible valves I need to replace now...

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-dance-moves-party-gif-21254682

[visual tree]

Sorry, my phone doesn't have a saved number for Super Mario Bros

[night girder]

shit, best plumbers one could ask for

just make sure there are no princesses around, or they gone

[visual tree]

Bowser

[karmic socket]

Question : to power up your computer, you normally :
1️⃣ press the power button on your computer case
2️⃣ press the start button on your motherboard
3️⃣ press the clear cmos button at the back, near the I/O ports
4️⃣ put liquid plutonium in that LN2 cooler you used to beat overclocking records this summer
5️⃣ feed your space hamsters with beans and have them run at full speed in their quantum gyros (bonus energy when they break wind because of the beans)

Right now, I have to use 3️⃣ otherwise my PC wont boot up and I have no idea why 🤣

[night girder]

Doesn't sound normal. But I would start going for option 4️⃣. No need to turn of PC

[karmic socket]

I know, but and that's why I'm really stumped. Otherwise, I have to completely unplug the PSU, clear cmos, then plug it back in. And I also have to resync the time using windows settings

otherwise the computer time is lagging behing by how many hours it was shutdown

[bronze jasper]

The AI bubble popping will be like the internet bubble popping. How it popped and a bigger more commercial internet was left behind, with fewer companies commanding it.

AI post bubble will be a lot of the same. They'll figure out how to put ads into AI

My guess is that like youtube, open ai will be absorbed by it's primary investor that provides all the servers for hosting it.

[night girder]

CMOS holds information for when you power down the your PC. The CMOS battery provides power to CMOS to hold information like time, bios settings etc. So next time you boot the PC, it loads in data from CMOS. If you clear it, it's normal that you need to set the time again. I am not sure why you need to unplug the battery before you do a CMOS.

[karmic socket]

Oh, I thought that the time passing was like "permanently written", but it makes sense now. So it's probably not a CMOS battery problem then.

[sharp matrix]

Well researchers that work in the AI space have likely known for a while that LLMS aren't the way to AGI, but it seems to be more openly discussed now, but it also remains to be seen if the models they are working on is the path to AGI either.

[safe trench]

you should probably use plutonium 238 into the cmos battery

i heard it needs it to maintain function

[sharp matrix]

Plutonium 239 will be in all future cmos batteries

[pure karma]

"brand new motherboard with special plutonium reactor technology to further improve the efficiency of your motherboard"

[karmic socket]

that should be an item in satisfactory

or maybe an ada message

or both 🙂

[bronze jasper]

technology progresses so fast that it doesn't need a cmos battery to last that long.

manufactureres will use the cheapest most reliable option

[sharp matrix]

Well it used to, but nvidia made a refresh generation aka 50 series, so idk if that is going to hold true anymore

we might need those longer lasting batteries if progress continues to slow down like it is

[bronze jasper]

you're confusing teh AMD 580s refreshing the 480s. The 5080 is far more capable than a 4080. I know this because i have a 4080 and teh 50 would be a significant upgrade

[sharp matrix]

but of course this could all be signs that moore's law is indeed dead

[bronze jasper]

besides, the slow pace of GPU generations is more due to covid killing all development of new silicon foundaries than any kind of market condition. All the momentum was lost and it'll take time to build it back up to the same speed where we were seeing memory bandwidths double every couple generations

covid hard paused everything.

[sharp matrix]

but i'll have to see how much progress might be slowing down on the transistor side in the coming years

[bronze jasper]

the paradigm of moores law will just shift to another. when we max out on transistor density, another way to improve will be developed

the upper bounds of computation are not anywhere close

[sharp matrix]

don't know how 15% is a significant upgrade, is progressing slowing down that much that is now considered signficiant upgrade now

[bronze jasper]

if the ocean rose 15% that would be SIGNIFICANT

[sharp matrix]

I remember in the past when per generation gave more than that

[bronze jasper]

yeah, increasing transistor density requires entirely new silicon foundries to be built. You can't put a 4nm production line into a factory made for 16nm. so you build a new one.

moores law didn't account for a global pandemic absolutely halting all that infrastructure development

[sharp matrix]

we aren't comparing oceans though, this is like comparing apples to pizza

so is 5% if thats next gen going to be considered a significant upgrade now

[bronze jasper]

just an example that 15% is a fuck load in a lot of other contexts. 15% improvement on a card that gets 20fps is 23fps. 15% on 100 fps is 115fps.

[pure karma]

were 3 gpu generations in a row of no improvement outside of the 90 class which is wild

[sharp matrix]

I remember going from 20 series to 40 series was over 100% faster, now 15% is a significant upgrade, how times have changed

[bronze jasper]

4080 is far better than a 3080. i know this because my friend has a 3080 and is jealous of mine.

[pure karma]

"Far"

i want double for double the price

[sharp matrix]

its even worse when you look at it from that way isnt it

[bronze jasper]

also, 3 generations of gpu are about when covid started. can't really blame anything other than that massive blip in the market

[sharp matrix]

so 15% is still being generous

[pure karma]

my 1070 is an improvement over a 4050

[sharp matrix]

and even those numbers arent looking very good....

[pure karma]

let that kick in

amd probably a 5050 too

[sharp matrix]

well, i dont know what to say at that point, its sadly true

yes going back 3 gen is now a improvement, how things have.....progressed

[pure karma]

atleas tif your in the midrange you can get today performance for yesterdays used prices

[sharp matrix]

or is this regression we are seeing

[pure karma]

cause what a 2070 is like 150$ now or smt

[bronze jasper]

as is tradition, lets use doom as the benchmark

[sharp matrix]

well time to downgrade to get that upgrade i guess

[bronze jasper]

i wouldn't pay $150 for a 2070. that seems like a store over charging for shelf stocking costs

[pure karma]

better than 1200 for the same thing

🤣

[bronze jasper]

you think a 1200 dollar gpu is the same as a 2070? rage bait used to be believable

[pure karma]

i mean if you add the nvidia tax to it yea

[sharp matrix]

well

[pure karma]

i paid 700$ for a 1660 super lmao

[sharp matrix]

thats only a 1000% tax, it isn't that much🫠

[bronze jasper]

i paid $450 for a vega 64. nearly as good at a 1070ti

ran a lot hotter too

am honestly not surprised that AMD abandoned the vega architecture

[sharp matrix]

it's even worse using this comparison, 3% faster

[pure karma]

i wonder what is the dream used cpu lineup to get

cause like after i got 50% performance increase out of overclocking my 10700F it really got me wondering what hidden potential is out there

[sharp matrix]

5090 using that chart basically right within oc margins of difference

[bronze jasper]

from the 3080 to the 4080? because a 5080 isn't on that. I agree that a 5090 is more of a prosumer device and isn't needed for gaming. a 3090 maxes all gaming engines really.

[sharp matrix]

yes a glorious 4 fps more, significant upgrade indeed

[bronze jasper]

it's also a 1080p benchmark

[sharp matrix]

we really have gone hard into diminishing returns havent we

[pure karma]

yeep

[sharp matrix]

guess 5090 = 4090 super

[pure karma]

i want my 10GHZ cpu dangit

[bronze jasper]

the 3080 to 4080 is 69fps to 101fps. if you look at the important stat of the low frame rate. 40% increase there

[sharp matrix]

i should have looked at those charts more because 4 fps is even worse than I expected

[pure karma]

3060 to 4060 being a 10fps diffrence is a miracle tbh

[bronze jasper]

the 90s series are really more of a 4k card if you want to use them for gaming. the improvemetns in blackwell are more for machine learned stuff

[sharp matrix]

sounds great

[pure karma]

32K gaming when

still waiting for that LTT video

[safe trench]

sadly linus is too short to see the first 4`9 pixels

[sharp matrix]

at 3% improvement over the last gen, never progress basically isn't being made by any margin worth talking about

at that rate it will only take 33 years to get a gpu that is double as fast

[bronze jasper]

i never herad this linus is short meme. dude is 5'11

i just looked that up since i've never actually cared about his height

[sharp matrix]

and im pretty sure in 33 years ill be to old to even care at all lol

[bronze jasper]

one things for sure. in my life, the people concerned about height the most are the ones who are most insecure about their own physical worth

[sharp matrix]

sounds true

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUnRWh4xOCY

idk if anybody saw this

[pure karma]

yea obviously did

[bronze jasper]

i don't watch GN since they've become drama llamas over there. constantly baiting the drama

[sharp matrix]

fun times isnt it

[bronze jasper]

i liked them better when they were just reviews and analysis but then they started getting huge view counts on their expose's

enshitification cycle continues

[sharp matrix]

idk i found the gpu smuggling video interesting enough, actually had some information in it

3 hours was pretty long though

[pure karma]

yea i nerver finished it

[sharp matrix]

and yes i watched it all

[bronze jasper]

yeah but bloomberg gave the dmca notice but they acted like it was nvidia trying to suppress them for revealing it.

I'm guessing they crafted the outrage for clickbaits. like they used bloomberg footage knowing a dmca request would occur

their "we never saw this coming" response just gave me that vibe

[sharp matrix]

bloomberg started this bullshit with their abusing the dcma strike system, so bloomberg in this case deserves it, because they caused it

so yeah, no pity for bloomberg

[bronze jasper]

and the drama llama cycle continues

[sharp matrix]

they get what they deserve

[bronze jasper]

GN will milk this for views for a month

[sharp matrix]

blame bloomberg?