off-topic-tech

[dire igloo]

Generally, don't cheap out on cable extensions.
Even the good ones bring risks, no reason to introduce fire hazards

Thing is tho:
"Don't cheap out" does not mean "spend a lot", it means "avoid garbage".
Price is not an indicator of quality. Good stuff can be inexpensive and expensive stuff can be shit.

Actually, general advice is to just not have cable extensions.
They're exclusively for aesthetics and most people are fine with stock cables.
And you can always add extensions later, takes some time and effort to redo the cable management, but imo it's worth it

Worth it in the sense that you save yourself the money and resistance shenanigans if you decide you don't want to add the extensions

[safe trench]

how bad is the resistance exactly

as in how much will i even care

[dire igloo]

Sadly, both of these builds use Nvidia GPUs, so their 12vhpwr connector messes with the aesthetic judgement of the PSU cables

[dire igloo]

Do you plan on overclocking or putting your PC under maximum load?

[safe trench]

only under maximum load

alot of the time it wont

[twin dew]

With good extensions it doesn't matter.
With bad extensions it can cause problems up to a fire.

And you can only differentiate between the two with specialist test equipment and destructive testing.

[dire igloo]

Generally speaking, either PSU should™ be able to handle the extra resistance.
The only issue might arise when the PSU and GPU run at capacity, you might be power limited or run into power instability which can crash the PC

[safe trench]

well i think the psu wont be at a full load

[dire igloo]

Which is the kind of destructive testing that Baldur mentioned (bringing the PC to its limits)

[dire igloo]

I think so too

[twin dew]

Where with bad extension, even 4-point resistance meter can show it fine at start, but after a year it causes fire as the contact to wire interface wasn't crimped properly and oxidized.

[dire igloo]

My advice:
Build PC without extension or custom cables, see if you like it.
If you don't, figure out what annoys you, address that specific thing.

[twin dew]

No, pull testing of the crimps as one of the tests.

[dire igloo]

That's where you get fire hazard level issues.
I'm talking crash level issues

[safe trench]

well what are some reputable cable companies?

[dire igloo]

No clue

Try without them first

[safe trench]

ok sure

[twin dew]

Where you load the contact to wire crimp with special tester until it fails, and look at the force needed for it to fail and how it failed to determine if the crimp was done properly.
Which is also what would cause the voltage drop issues at low end.

[dire igloo]

You can always spend the money later if you dislike stock cables

[twin dew]

Also what contacts are used etc.
But most commonly wrong crimp tools are used and the crimps are crap.

If it just isn't that the contacts back out from the shell on insertion, either because of wrong contacts for the shell, or bad original insertion into the shell.

I have had Chinese built relay kits etc. where you could pull the wire out of the contact with your hands.
Because they had used wrong crimp tool for the contact & wire combination.

And several other things where the crimps looked suspect and I redid them with new contacts to be safe, for example with extra long beam I installed onto my car.

[sterile plinth]

After moving my c partition even on a gpt table windows is stuck in a bootloop

Gparted faq says that I should get the recovery tool iso and use bootrec /bootfix as a potential fix

I'll try that

[twin dew]

Yeah, or just the automatic boot repair that should start after few rounds of failed boots.

[sterile plinth]

The "startup repair" option on that didn't fix the issue

I'll just do bootrec and see how it goes

[languid gulch]

dumb question time

about thermal transfer/cooling

if i wanted to keep the room cool, would it be possible to let the CPU run really hot, but at lower wattage, with the radiator fans low or off

[twin dew]

Only that wattage matters in the end.
That is how much you are heating the room by.

The actual temperature or fan speed doesn't matter.

[languid gulch]

so would it be better to watt cap the CPU

[sharp matrix]

Sure in theory via passive cooling the cpu should thermal throttle down as much as it needs to, just don't expect great cpu performance depending how much it needs to throttle

[languid gulch]

oh definitely, it's not like i'm gonna run a 9800X3D without a cooler or something 🤣

[wanton orchid]

it'll also likely be unstable, as in the performance will wave back and forth

[sharp matrix]

Yep, aka gaming could easily become a stutter mess depending how much the clock speeds have to go down

Im definitely not recommending doing this for obvious reasons

[twin dew]

And lowering max wattage of both CPU and GPU in similar percentage for each would give much better performance for same heat output reduction, over trying to just limit CPU only.

[languid gulch]

think i've done decently at that

throttled my 4090 to 75%, and run the cpu in eco mode

[sharp matrix]

Interesting what's the cpu?

[languid gulch]

9800X3D

jumped from a 5600X/6800XT

so even throttled that much it's still a mile ahead of the old system 🤣

plus there's 0 reason to really push it, i'm not on 4K

[night girder]

When is next generation of GPU/CPU hit the market?

[languid gulch]

rumors of nvidia 50 Super series coming before the end of the year

[night girder]

niiice, thinking of swapping back to green team. After two years, I think it's fair I throw the towel in the ring 🤣

Fuck this FLCK etc and whatever the fuck AMD is doing, I don't care. I just want stable system.

[languid gulch]

ngl i never had any stability issues with my AMD guts

[night girder]

I had two AMD systems in my life. Both gave problems.

And this build is becomming as expesnive as Nvidia build.

So one of the reasons I went AMD, same performance for less price, is out of the window.

I must be unlucky, but I am also tired as fuck troubleshooting a niche issue nobody knows anything about.

"It's your CPU" - "It's your PSU" - "It's your motherboard" ...

[languid gulch]

ngl given that nvidia's drivers have been a special degree of shit since december, i wouldn't trust anything 50 series

[night girder]

and the fact is, my niece has my old Nvidia system. And it's still working after fucking 8 years. Stable as fuck.

and this system can't run for 4 days straight.

all hard kernel crashes. Even with a new CPU.

[languid gulch]

yeesh

might be your heat sink

[night girder]

and I reseted it last year.

[twin dew]

How?
The point is that the system is resetting without BSODing or like, just resetting.

[languid gulch]

it's called humor

chunk of aluminum ain't doing it 🤣

[night girder]

Nah, it's the table.

It's angled at 4 degrees. And when there is a full moon, the frequency of my CPU hits a special spot and just crashes.

[languid gulch]

have you tested the power circuit that it's on to see if it's getting clean power

[night girder]

I tested my whole village by now 🤣

[twin dew]

Not issue with proper PSU.
Which is point of PSU, take in whatever in certain large range with current variable input PSUs and output stable DC.

[night girder]

How do I describe this. I am not looking for system solutions anymore. I am looking on how to get stable build. And all I can think of is; new system, maybe even pre-built.

Sure it costs shitton of money, but atleast I have stable system.

So I am looking for a fix; I want stable system. Without looking into, how the fuck do I got my current system stable 😛

And then I think; how can I prevent this from happening again.

[dire igloo]

I'd theorize that faster fans means the room's air circulates faster and reaches equilibrium earlier.
Not really pro or con tbh

[night girder]

Which leads me to the statements I made; prebuilt? nvidia? intel? ditch amd? - not saying any of those are correct. But just my thought process atm.

[languid gulch]

and sometimes some combos of parts just don't work together, and it's stupid

[night girder]

I was also thinking of bringing it to repair shop.

[languid gulch]

AM5 for sure

[night girder]

But they ask crazy amount of money. Wait I take screenshot.

[languid gulch]

it has support thru 2027

[twin dew]

You cannot. As with any solution you can get system with faulty parts.
Even with prebuilt made from any parts, just that with prebuild, you can in theory roll the issue to warranty.
But often that warranty wouldn't do anything to issue like yours.

[night girder]

50 euros for a 48 stress test? bios update ... 30 euro's!

[night girder]

I can. Prebuilt I just bring back to shop. And say; no work, give me another. And boom problem fixed.

[twin dew]

And point was that often the warranty department would run short test, find nothing wrong, and just bill you for unneeded warranty case and give the same system back.

With case like your current computer.

[night girder]

Eh, don't think so.

[dire igloo]

FCLK is a CPU/RAM thing, no?

[twin dew]

CPU internal bus.

Between CCDs and IOD.

Infinity Fabric in AMD case.

[night girder]

Yeah, Baldur and I fucked around with it with previous CPU to get it more stable.

which worked, for about half a year. Then I put in new CPU, which made system more stable. But still not stable lol.

[twin dew]

But most likely cause at this point is something wrong with the MB, in very small and weird way, that breaks CPUs.
But basically impossible to test and prove.

Some manufacturing fault.

[night girder]

and I still think it's CPU related. Few nights ago, there was a weird ticking sound comming from the CPU, like coil whine but stuck on specific frequency, and a few hours later it crashed. Can be irrelated but now I am keeping my ears open if there is correlation.

[twin dew]

With PSU as the next probable thing.

[dire igloo]

If you want a stable system, the only advice I can give you is to not do anything with it.
Every single piece of tech will have issues at some point, some of them easy to solve, others nigh impossible.

[twin dew]

Point was that the MB fault would be breaking CPUs for some reason.

[night girder]

This is the worse advice ever ...

[night girder]

And my point is, new mother board + my 3rd cpu = might well get new system.

[dire igloo]

Yeah, if you had two CPUs with same issue, you either got two duds, made the same mistake twice or it's smth else

[twin dew]

Like I said, impossible to test and prove.

[night girder]

Like I said, I want stable system

Baldur, want to buy crap system to play around with? I give it to you for cheap.

I am holding the case though 🤣

[dire igloo]

Yup, it's absolutely dogshit advice.
Because it ridicules your legitimate desire for a stable system and doesn't provide any helpful information

[night girder]

"Get stable system by doing nothing" advice to someone with unstable system...

"Hell sir, my car has no wheels and wont drive? How do I fix that" - "By doing nothing"

[twin dew]

And similar very low probability weird issue can come with any hardware.
And buying prebuilt doesn't help depending on the exact things that specific prebuilt company does for warranty replacement decisions.

[night girder]

Baldur, that's some bad advice. Sorry.

[dire igloo]

Why replace everything if only the core is faulty?
GPU, PSU, drives, case, etc are generally unaffected by CPU/MB issues

RAM is semi affected

[night girder]

Because I already spend 200 euro on new CPU. Now I gotta spend another 200-300 on a CPU and a motherboard.

And it's still possible that's not the cause. So that's 700 euro's ON TOP OF ORIGINAL build. So in the end, a 1.5K build turns into a 2.2K build and might still be unstable.

[twin dew]

That once per week or more weird reboot with no obvious cause, or way to intentionally trigger would not be caught in the warranty department testing.
And if from some tiny manufacturing defect, can affect any system, no matter the components used.

[night girder]

That's why I was thinking of bringing it to PC specialist, since they ahve parts.

[twin dew]

And only way to try to diagnose would be long term swap part swap testing, which cannot really be done if you don't own multiple compatible computers.

[night girder]

Or, just be done with it. Maybe hold to next generation comes out and switch to new system.

I am just going to mail the repair shop for advice. Explain the situation, tell em it's a very niche problem and ask if they think they can find it or not.

Nothing to lose with that.

[dire igloo]

Which would be quite costly due to labor requirements

idk how much they bill per hour worked, but I don't expect it to be low

[night girder]

Whatever man, I gotta do something. I haven't read any better plans so.

[dire igloo]

And even then they might be as thorough as the warranty testers - aka boot, run benchmark, no crash, testing complete

[night girder]

Don't even know why I brought it up in this chat, hopeless

[twin dew]

First thing I would personally test, is replace the older CPU into tested to be working AM5 system, and see if that system then starts to have issues.
But again, getting another AM5 system is not realistic for most.

[dire igloo]

At work, we call this headless chicken mode. It's basically the opposite of analysis paralysis.
It's when people lack info about a problem, so they scramble around trying random things and hope that something works eventually.

[twin dew]

To see if that previous CPU actually has issues or not now.

[twin dew]

And that is the issue, there is not lot to go on, when it is just random reboots seldomly.

[night girder]

I call it taking action and not backseat critique and say "bad plan, bad plan" without giving solutions. Which you tend to do atm.

It's easy for you to critique everything people say, but sometimes, it's no point and you gotta go forward.

Problem. Find solution. Fix.

Also, so dumb to say.

[twin dew]

And the problem right now is finding the problem.

[night girder]

If someone is in the dark "me, the headless chicken" it's not dumb to ask for other people help (aka going to repair store).

[twin dew]

We just have the effect (instant reboot).

[night girder]

If I was really a headless chicken, I would just buy a motherboard and see if that helps.

And then I would buy a PSU and see if it helps. Just buy hardware, not knowing the issue, untill problem is fixed.

But instead, I am taking a few steps back and think; "that's a terrible plan, just throwing money at it untill it's fixed. Maybe I need some external, professional help."

[twin dew]

And if the current MB was actually failty in a way that kills CPUs, that wouldn't even help at this point.

[dire igloo]

The solution is simple: halt whatever you're doing and gather info about your situation.

In this case: you tried several CPUs, Baldur suspects faulty mainboard or PSU.
RAM is closely related to CPU and MB, so it's a fair assumption to think it might be gonezo too.
Reusing a case is quite a hassle, so if you're already replacing the entire platform and PSU, might as well consider a new case so you don't have the extra effort of disassembly.
And since a new system should usually come with a fresh OS install, you can look at your SSD and consider whether it's worth the savings of buying a new drive.

Still don't see a reason to replace the GPU.

[twin dew]

Which is also why installing new CPU onto that MB would be bad idea, even for swap testing.

[twin dew]

And RAM faults shouldn't be able to cause instant reboots.

[night girder]

Baldur suspected bad CPU also.

[twin dew]

Without ECC RAM.

[dire igloo]

Taking action is good, but only if there's a method behind it.

[twin dew]

And we have tried to collect information about the situation for 2 years now?

[night girder]

I did ram tests and no errors were found.

[sharp matrix]

Well ideally you would have tests you could run, to determine what actions you need to take, imo simply replacing components in hopes that somehow fixes it should only be done as a last resort option, and even then it might be best to cut your loses and move onto a new system

[twin dew]

And first it seemed to be rapidbly degrading CPU.
And swapping helped for some time, but then started again.

Which is why I now suggested that the cause might be broken MB killing CPUs.
But proving that would be almost impossible without oscilloscopes etc.

Specific kinds of swap tests could narrow causes down, but no access to HW to do that kind of testing for him.

[dire igloo]

I am 100% on board with the "fuck it, whole new platform" idea.
Just not with the whole new system plan.

It doesn't make sense to me that you wouldn't want to keep for example the GPU

[night girder]

Someone who follows my logic a bit 😄 I am not totally crazy. There is no test. Well atm I have a game running 24/7 and after 4 days it does seem to crash.

But I need a few more crashes to be sure it's 4 days. It would be something.

Not that I can go to a shop and say run this game for 4 days 24/7 and see if it still crashes 🤣

[dire igloo]

This instability becomes infinitely worse from the fact you don't have a fast and reliable way to reproduce those crashes

[night girder]

We know ...

[dire igloo]

Actually, it kinda does make sense now that I think about it.
If you have the financial freedom to do so, it brings more peace of mind to just not introduce any old issues into the new system

[sharp matrix]

Probably could have worded my thoughts better, but yes it doesnt make sense to replace a perfectly good gpu, assuming it is anyways

[dire igloo]

Repair shop doesn't really make sense to me.
Either they only do superficial testing which won't help with the issue at hand or they do very rigorous indepth analysis which becomes costly

[sharp matrix]

My thoughts were closer to moving to a good platform, assuming something is wrong with the cpu/motherboard

[twin dew]

But without access to swap test hardware otherwise, not lot of other options, outside buying random other hardware.

[dire igloo]

Thing is: with how obscure these issues seem to be, the GPU isn't 100% perfectly good.
There's always a nagging question mark about it - even if it isn't the root cause, couldn't it still have been affected negatively?

[night girder]

How does it not make sense?

I send mail;

• Very niche problem.
• Can't provoke crash, can take days/weeks before it crash.
• How likely is it you guys can diagnose the issue?

If they send back, "we can find it" but they don't sound convincing. I don't do it.

[twin dew]

Yeah, contacting them costs nothing but little time.

[dire igloo]

Yeah, that's fine

[night girder]

If they send back "we cannot find it" then I lost nothing but a single mail.

[dire igloo]

But what answer do you expect them to give?

[night girder]

I don't know if there is 1% chance they have some PC wizzard in their team that can track it down for a fair price, I consider it.

[dire igloo]

If they convincingly say "we can identify that issue", then what?
What will their services cost?

[night girder]

Would be cheaper than keep replacing PC parts.

[sharp matrix]

Well that is a problem, you can't rule out the gpu out as not contributing, and not everyone has spare gpus to test to see if that improves stability so...

[night girder]

I have no fortune teller, I don't know.

[dire igloo]

Usually, I just sell replacement parts on the used market or keep them for future testing

[night girder]

I can't sell this system. I have 0 clue which part is the issue for 100% sure.

Else I would sell it too.

or give it to my nephew 🤣

But I am not going to make the kid happy with a dead horse.

[sharp matrix]

Your nephew will hate you

[dire igloo]

That's the thing: the techy people in here spent years of trial and error with your issue.

The only remaining tests would be electrical analysis of current hw, testing with known good MB and testing with known good PSU.
If it faults, try smth else. But if it doesn't fault, is the issue actually resolved? Or will it resurface after a few months just like it did with your CPU replacement?

And if it does take weeks of testing, are just without a PC in the meantime? Or will you consider a temporary replacement?

[sharp matrix]

In the long system, might not be ideal but new system could be the least painful option

[dire igloo]

The best case of going to a repair shop would be that you get a 100% definitive answer to which part(s) failed.
The worst case is being without a PC for weeks, spending money on replacement parts yet still ending up with issues

[sharp matrix]

At least you would know the system couldn't have the same issues

[dire igloo]

Financially a bad choice, but psychologically I think it's the right thing to do.

[sharp matrix]

Well you have to weigh financial cost vs mental costs in this case

[dire igloo]

And even after identifying and replacing the faulty parts, every single time something doesn't go as intended you'll ask yourself "are the issues back? or is this smth new?" and not a single helper will be able to definitively answer that

[sharp matrix]

Well in this case we can only give options

[dire igloo]

Yeah, you absolutely have to have the financial freedom to be able to spend hundreds of Euros for peace of mind

[twin dew]

But in most cases, prebuild helps with any issues where it can just be thrown back to the manufacturer.
But for some issues, like this one, they might not do enough testing to confirm the issue, and might not believe you.
Still easier for most issues.

[sharp matrix]

Well thats essentially it, some people are willing to spend for peace of mind, assuming you can

[dire igloo]

A lot of testing becomes easier with a secondary known good system to compare to.
Even if it's a whole different platform, you can make sure the GPU and PSU are safe

[night girder]

How is it financial a bad choice? I said; I paid 1.5K. I am not going to throw parts and add another 1.5K. Then I have 3K of hardware, and no clue what is faulty and what is not. Because every part I throw in this sytem can get damage. Like if it's the motherboard frying CPU's/RAM/GPU or maybe it's the PSU? I have no clue. Nobody does. It can get so expensive to just keep throwing parts at it.** I might have 2 dead CPU's now, in 2 years. That's a waste of money.**

[dire igloo]

Yeah, I think most warranty departments won't be willing to invest the time it takes just to confirm this issue

[night girder]

So from a financial standpoint, I don't think it's so stupid. Just my two cents. Literally, it's my money 🤣

[dire igloo]

Especially since it's so easy to blame weird behavior on user error

[sharp matrix]

Well yes thats a problem, why I wouldn't recommend doing that either, also I think new system might be the best option, at least your using your money to at least get something you know will work

[dire igloo]

If there really is a cross-contamination issue, that's true.
For me personally, I still don't believe that it can spread this badly that any singular replacement will be immediately tainted

[night girder]

There is.

[dire igloo]

Can't say without testing the faulty CPUs in a known good mainboard with a known good PSU

Which is too expensive to do solely for the sake of testing

[twin dew]

Yeah, would need to switch the possibly faulty CPU into known good AM5 system.
Which I could do if I was diagnosing someone elses computer, by using my own, but not otherwise.

[dire igloo]

Unless you have access to parts like those - for example, I gave my old PSU to a friend who wanted to check a similar issue

(which btw did turn out to be faulty PSU)

I now agree with the sentiment of buying a whole new rig for the sake of peace of mind.

You don't have the testing equipment, so the cost of finding the issue isn't justified against the cost of going 100% known good.
I doubt the local techies could help, the issue isn't reproducable enough for them to make any meaningful progress (at least not without high labor cost)

[night girder]

Fear so too, my last shot. I am honestly out of ideas.

I can do one more bios update, but I read patchnotes and it's not related to my issues.

1. Updated AGESA to ComboAM5 PI 1.2.0.3d.
2. Optimize PBO settings.

Update AGESA to ComboAM5 1.2.0.3e Patch A for upcoming CPU compatibility.

And PBO is ruled out since I already discussed it with Baldur. Auto = disabled.

[sharp matrix]

Yeah no local repair shop is going to spend a week trying to reproduce this issue, at least not without charging alot to do the testing, aka wouldn't be worth it

[twin dew]

Depends on HW available for them.
Just doing part swap and letting it run somewhere out of way for couple of weeks wouldn't take much employee time.

And doing that PSU swap alone would tell much, but problem is that Letterdief doesn't have access to known good PSU.

[dire igloo]

It brings opportunity cost with it.
They can't use that MB and PSU for testing while they're in LD's rig

[twin dew]

Yeah, which I did specify that "Depends on HW available for them."

[dire igloo]

Getting techies to do the testing with their equipment may help you identify and resolve the issue, but it won't necessarily give you peace of mind.

Let's say they run an entire week of permanent stress tests with the replacement hardware and get zero issues. You pay for their service and the replacement hardware and go your merry way, happy the issue is solved.
In a few months time, another issue arises. Could be fresh crashing, BSoDs or just something takes a lot longer to load now.
Whatever it is, it might be related or it might not be. It probably isn't, but there will be this nag in your mind "what if it is?"

Nothing will ever be perfectly stable, so there will be issues eventually.
It's hard to say which ones and when, but once they're there, they're there.

[wanton orchid]

do you have thermal camera ?

because that kind of sound + that kind of problems
sounds like it may be your mb vrm

In which case it sucks because it disguise as either cpu mb psu or ram issue

double checked your cpu power headers ?

[twin dew]

Most likely cause for connection would be couple of pins on the main ATX power header, that are used by MB and PSU to communicate the power on having backed out and making intermittent contact.
Not actual power pins.

PWR_OK (pin 8), +5V Standby (pin 9) and PS_ON (pin 16)

[wanton orchid]

I mean if there is cpu damage, vrm problems can induce that

triggering cpu data error
triggering reset ?

[twin dew]

Yes, but those CPU power connectors are very unlikely source for VRM problems.

[wanton orchid]

my point was, better the cpu power connection, less strain on vrm

if they have an input with higher impedance, maybe can cause some imbalance ?

[bronze jasper]

Just an anecdote. I've seen power delivery problems happen because of the surge protector being faulty. Replaced it and no more system halts

Make sure you troubleshoot the whole chain

[twin dew]

MOV (metal-oxide varistor) breakdown voltage gets lower and lower with each discharge it eats.
And there is usually MOV inside the PSU too as surge protector near input connector.

Which might be KEKw:s possible PSU problems source.

[night girder]

SharklienX, thanks for advice.

[tribal kraken]

The 100h piston swap and test drive done. Also installed ignition key, digital thermometer, radiator fan, and and idle control screw as from factory they dont want users to touch that because of emissions.

Looks like my car parts will arrive friday, if DHL estimate will hold

[visual tree]

I'll give you my car for free, don't want to waste any money repairing/maintaining it 😂

Fortunately, EU has developed public transport so I can survive without a car

Been using public transport almost every working day for 15 years

*with the exception when working from home

[tribal kraken]

Im seriously thinking about swapping that bike to electric one. Did test drive the Stark Varg at local MX Track. They have A1 registered version available. It has 7,2kWh battery and about 70km highway range. Slower pace at gravel roads some more.

[jagged snow]

Darn, one more game switching to kernel-level anticheat

I've specifically avoided it as much as possible

[pure karma]

well my microphone died

rip

i know its dead because it says its capturing sounds even if its not plugged in and when it is plugged in, its just static

[bold tapir]

hello, i have problem in GD, when some vertical straight line is moving on my screen it splits and glitches, is something wrong with my screen or i need to enable some setting?

when i take screenshot or record it, its fine

[bronze jasper]

sounds like tearing but its vertical

[bold tapir]

Sorry, its screenshot from video from screen

[bold tapir]

what do i do

[bronze jasper]

i see a horizontal line, did you mean horizontal?

[bold tapir]

white line is vertical, thats what i mean

what is tearing

[night girder]

There is screen tearing top left.

[bronze jasper]

but it's torn on the horizontal axis

[bold tapir]

yes thats what i mean

[bronze jasper]

yeah it's tearing. combined with ghosting because you've got slow responding screen

[bold tapir]

about ghosting i think ive just got bad camera

[bronze jasper]

vsync but thats not ideal for GD because of input lag. should be fine though

[bold tapir]

enable it?

[bronze jasper]

yup

[night girder]

vsync is the solution.

[bronze jasper]

vsync's whole existence is around destroying tearing. tearing is what happens when the game sends a new frame to draw while the screen is mid refresh.

[bold tapir]

didnt help 🙁

[bronze jasper]

vsync makes sure the game only sends a frame when the screen is at the beginning of it's refresh

enable it and restart

[bold tapir]

yes i restarted game

[bronze jasper]

you shouldn't see any tearing if vsync is enabled. weird.

[bold tapir]

what if i lower hz with windows

[bold tapir]

its worse now 💀

[bronze jasper]

yeah that'll do that. because the game sends more frames during one refresh

[pure karma]

it still happens if its a cable issue

vsync does nothing in that case

[bold tapir]

so tearing is bc of bad cable?

[pure karma]

very probable to be a damaged or underspeced cable for the target resolution

[bold tapir]

it came together with monitor tho

[bronze jasper]

what kind of connector is he using where the cable being bad can affect the refresh rate?

[bold tapir]

using DP for 4k 100hz

[bronze jasper]

digital signals and all

[pure karma]

literally all HDMI conectors tear when overloaded and i forgot what dp does but it might do it too

[bronze jasper]

the monitor would just turn black if the cable couldn't support the refresh on a digital connector

[pure karma]

but DP is supost to drop the res on its own

[bold tapir]

monitor has max 100 hz but i can turn 144 for some reason

[bold tapir]

and it makes tearing a little bit better

what the magic of noname manufacturer 'NPC'

[night girder]

you can try to turn vsync on and set refreshrate the same as the monitor can handle, if you say it's 100hz.

[pure karma]

i dont even think my DP cables can do that

[bold tapir]

yes, i tried that

[bronze jasper]

maybe you got adaptive refresh rates on. try turning it off if it is

[bold tapir]

its off

[pure karma]

you need 8K DP cables to do 4K 120

[bold tapir]

aren they all the same

[pure karma]

no

[bold tapir]

hell no so they put bad cable with monitor

[pure karma]

diffrent cables have diffrent data tranfer limits

[bronze jasper]

DP cables support versions of the DP protocol

not specific resolution modes

[pure karma]

and not every manufacturer sends a cable capable of doing the full spec

[bold tapir]

oh i can blame china finally

thats always last step of troubleshooting

#1 is blame simon

[bronze jasper]

american companies actually have been known to make the shittiest no name cables. though chinesium is a problem still

[night girder]

they manufacturer in china 🤣

[bold tapir]

i cannot find any spec on cable coating

[pure karma]

you might be able to do 4K60

if not you drop all the way down to 4K30

[bold tapir]

60 hz made tearing worse 💀

[pure karma]

and you essentially have a cable made for 1080P

which you then get the screen tearing like so

[night girder]

switch to 1080 and see if you still have tearing?

[bronze jasper]

that'll just get worse as trump moves manufacturing to america where nobody has any experience making any of this stuff

[pure karma]

i had the same thing when i used a HDMI cable only capable of doing 1080P120 at 1440P165

and it tore horibly

cause it couldent keep up

[night girder]

If it is a cable that can't handle 4k @ 100hz, like MagicZ says, it should be able to run 1080p no?

[bold tapir]

No Way no way it just was windowed mode causing problems

[bronze jasper]

i been using a pirate tv show site to watch stargate atlantis. just because its not available for streaming anywhere in canada and i dont want to dig out my dvd collection and player to watch it. normally i pay for all my media but i made an exception in this case. Support the shows you love.

Now, with that disclaimer out of the way, i can now moan and cry about UK's piracy laws that came into effect. Cloudflare is blocking the site i been using because of the UK censorship wall that came into effect. BUT I LIVE IN CANADA

Thanks UK

[bold tapir]

thats so stupid from me

[bronze jasper]

lol yeah vsync won't work in window mode. i think some games support windowed vsync features that are new to windows 11 though

[bold tapir]

lmao

quote can cause issues

i just had mod for borderless windowed

[bronze jasper]

yeah i should've mentioned window mode earlier, mb. that's an obvious one when i'm like "hmm that's weird it should be working"

[bold tapir]

cuz i was annoyed with game disappearing when i type on secon screen

[bronze jasper]

💯

[bold tapir]

thank you

[night girder]

omg ...

[bold tapir]

blamed china for nothing 😢

[night girder]

Nah, some games do support it though.

So it's hard to know which do and which don't.

[bronze jasper]

yup! and only since newer windows.

I think linux has desktop wide vsync for a long time

[night girder]

and Larik is also using mods so ...

[bold tapir]

wait it seems like it isnt a mod

[night girder]

🤣

[bold tapir]

it isnt, im even more stupid

[night girder]

you got it fixed so 👍

[bold tapir]

you guys got it fixed

[bronze jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/nossa-build-erthosoconstrutor-bob-gif-15731569881165918810

[bold tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/mxstery-gif-3986214086668732285

[bronze jasper]

i cant get no, satisfaction

[bold tapir]

listen to this gif, you should be able

[bronze jasper]

thats why i said it, i can hear the gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuHaMGqbY9c

but i am a dumb and confused the lyric with a stones song

[bold tapir]

it getting offtopic even for off-topic-tech

[pure karma]

absolute classic

we need a tech version of this lol

[bold tapir]

we need boombox tape

[bronze jasper]

power tools are tech

[bold tapir]

ficsit absolute

[charred relic]

Live dangerously

[bold tapir]

huntdown tape is fire tho

[charred relic]

Anybody who gets the reference on the WiFi id wins every internet

If my phone wasn’t so critical to certain thing I’d probably run the beta on that too

[dire igloo]

Now I know why that hammering scene from Little Big's official Boobs music video seemed familiar

[bronze jasper]

i only run alpha software cause i'm a peak male specimen

[soft bloom]

Wouldn't that make you like sigma?

Aka alphas run beta

[bronze jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/sigma-sigma-mega-man-sigma-mega-man-x-mega-man-x-capcom-gif-12548090637391620802

[charred relic]

https://tenor.com/view/lupin-jigen-goemon-lupin-iii-gif-7469468

[soft bloom]

Psu gets to be more odd:
Staying off the grid is not enough
Now, after its been turned off for hours, put power back on, press power button, it makes no noise at all, put power back off (disconnect grid), wait some more, and then connect to grid again and, it won't do any noise until second press, maybe boot on second press, maybe later...
Feeling like playing dice

[charred relic]

Oh wow this is nice

Can winowize apps now

[bronze jasper]

i figured out my problem with cloudflare blockin sites. i was using the cloudflare DNS and they're globally blocking all sites that break UK law now.

it WAS a reliable DNS. i'll use google public DNS for the time being

[torpid skiff]

my homelab dashboard 🙂

& my nas

[bronze jasper]

comfyui ftw. i like forge ui but it doesn't get the cutting edge stuff too much

[main falcon]

Hey is anyone familiar in C++, enough to detect issues? Trying to work up a code for UE5 but I can't find anything to test it on and I don't know exactly how to put it into UE5 [my desktop is down rn]

[long radish]

Why not go into a virtual machine?

[main falcon]

I don't have my desktop and the current code I have only works on UE5, from what I know

[soft bloom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxDd3Whl_9s
hmmm,
in the 70s?
that rings the bell
could it be a yet another deliberate attack on a power source that, if being widespread, could lower cost of living and improve quality?

[night girder]

LOL, hiding transmission 🤣

[visual tree]

https://youtu.be/NZY5WiqeyQQ

Nice to see Dinky the T-Rex in background and Prydwen

Although I can tell from the trailer it's not following the exact story from Fallout universe and it's a different universe

[torpid skiff]

Figured I might as well hide a few things rather than limit test the rules here 🙂 left some others unhidden

[twin dew]

WTF...
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/legal/mozilla-warns-germany-could-soon-declare-ad-blockers-illegal/

Ignoring the fact, that the browser needs to do the stuff to show what is intended too...

[night girder]

to determine if DOM, CSS, and bytecode count as a protected computer program and whether the ad blocker's modifications are lawful.

How does it count as protected computer program ...

[twin dew]

Company has problem, company tells lawyers to make up something.

[sterile plinth]

Well, bootrec didn't seem to do anything

[night girder]

Can also be a bit of fearmongering from Mozilla tbh.

[sterile plinth]

after moving my windows c partition with gparted, while all the data is still there, the windows boot manager doesn't detect it

The gparted faq says I should use the bootrec utility from the windows command line, but that didn't seem to help either

[night girder]

Seraphy2025 Photo
Seraphy2025 - 1 day ago
I guess that is just one more reason to get my Pi-Hole working again, and if they ever bring that crap to the US...well, I will be reactivating my Pi-Hole. Blocking at the DNS means no website modifications; the ads just don't resolve.

👆 This comment. 💯

That will keep them busy for a few more decades until even that becomes illegal.

[twin dew]

But basically "Browsers must interpret our sourcecode in the way WE want them to!", written in bad lawyer-speak.

[dire igloo]

Second time that Springer has attempted to have AdBlock Plus outlawed through courts.

First time they failed because BGH said that AB+ doesn't have an illegal business model and doesn't use unfair competitive practices

[dire igloo]

Btw, business model of AB+ is "we'll block your ads, but if you pay us, we'll declare them non-intrusive and show them to users who chose to enable that option"

[dire igloo]

Definitely is. There's nothing ruled yet.
Federal court noticed something that the state court overlooked and told them to adjust their ruling after considering the new info

[dire igloo]

Kinda, yes. That's what Springer are trying to argue.
Which is exactly why the state court has ruled against them, it's bullshit.

In a bit less simplified language, it sounds to me like "browsers can't make changes to our interpretation of the source code because that's copyright infringement"

[twin dew]

Yup, "because that costs us money!"

Trying to wrangle another existing law to fit their needs.

[dire igloo]

Btw, European court had a similar case very recently where a developer of videogame cheats was sued by the videogame devs.
Similar reasoning: "by modifying how the game is run on the PC, you're making unauthorized changes and that's copyright infringement."

European court ruled in favor of the cheat devs, but gave some conditions under which that applies (forgot what tho)

[dire igloo]

They might even try to bring it to our constitution court, which is the highest instance we have.
They'll have to argue that the courts ruled in violation of the constitution tho, which they can only really do by bringing up freedom of press

ngl, seeing their first attempt of suing AB+, the unfair competition approach had a better chance of success imo

Knowing German courts, I doubt that the Axel Springer company will have any meaningful success in banning adblockers

[twin dew]

Yeah, mainly I linked that because the argument they make is so bonkers.

[dire igloo]

I still have that BGH ruling on my read list, someone else sent me that article yesterday so I wanted to see what the court ruled
(Note that I have zero qualifications in regards to the law)

[twin dew]

From the actual technical viewpoint on how html, css, javascript and browsers work.

[dire igloo]

Both Mozilla and Springer tbh

[dire igloo]

That's the thing that the BGH tasked the state court to check:
How does the technical side actually work and how does it interact with copyright law?

But in the same manner that adblockers change the browser's page rendering, you'll have screenreaders or reading mode affect the site too

[twin dew]

Mozilla is probably looking at the possible far reaching results of the case, if decided against AdBlock, if it had happened in Common Law country like UK or US.

Intentionally looking at the worst case long term result.

[dire igloo]

Which is very likely why it won't be ruled as copyright infringement, it's just too commonly used for "legitimate" purposes

And let's not forget that the federal cybersecurity agency (BSI) explicitly endorses and recommends the use of adblockers

[twin dew]

And if that was the overlooked part, then not much chance that Springer would win on second examination either.

[dire igloo]

Exactly

[twin dew]

Because it has always been the browser that is in control of the whole thing.

[dire igloo]

I could totally see the state court omitting that analysis because it seemed obvious to them

Which I'll be able to actually talk about after I read the federal court's ruling

[twin dew]

Browser gets suggestions from the site, and implements whatever the user wanted.

[dire igloo]

Also, seeing BGH referred to as federal supreme court feels... weird
It's the highest civil court there is, but there are several other courts ranked on the same level. Labor court, social court, financial court, administrative court, etc.

If there's anything I'd call the supreme court, it's the Bundesverfassungsgericht (BVerfG), our constitutional court which only rules in matters relating to the constitution

[dire igloo]

if it's a really shitty court, they'll rule without much technical consideration and say that content will have to be rendered like the publisher intends.

It will cause a few months of intense ruckus cuz nothing in German internet works anymore, then someone will halt that ruling to re-check and later revise it

[dire igloo]

Should the state court rule in favor of Springer, I could see AB+ take it to constitutional court as well tbh
Stuff like freedom of information or smth

[twin dew]

And even if AB+ loses, that doesn't make all adblockers illegal in Civil Law country AFAIK.

Unlike in Common Law country.

[dire igloo]

From what I can gather, this is the "homework" that the federal court gave to the state court:

1. Check if the website's rendering instructions are considered protected computer code under German copyright law.
2. Check if the adblock's functionality constitutes as a computer code modification or reproduction under German copyright law.
3. Check whether these kinds of modifications would require the copyright owner's permission and/or whether that permission has been issued.
4. Check if the AdBlock devs would be considered responsible for those violations

[dire igloo]

I don't really know the difference, but iirc German court rulings usually lay out specific conditions under which their rulings apply.

So even if they were considered common law, they're usually too specific to be applicable generally.
Which is also what makes these court rulings so annoying to read, all those conditions and cross-references that are mentioned

So assuming that AB+ loses, the ruling will mention specific conditions that were met.
If another AdBlock service doesn't meet those conditions, they're still very much legal

[twin dew]

In Common Law, court decisions basically have status of law, as long as newer law doesn't touch same thing and override them.
In Civil Law, court decisions are much more limited in scope as precedent.

Common law (also known as judicial precedent, judge-made law, or case law) is the body of law primarily developed through judicial decisions rather than statutes.

[dire igloo]

Basically, if the court says that it's okay to not show the ads after loading but it's copyright infringement to not load them to begin with, then adblockers will just load all the ads and not show them.
Same goes in the other direction

[twin dew]

Unlike common law systems, which rely heavily on judicial precedent, civil law systems are characterized by their reliance on legal codes that function as the primary source of law.

[dire igloo]

Ah, okay, makes sense.
Yeah, German legislation generally works as civil law, tho there are some instances of common law.
Union strikes for example are common law (iirc the German term for it is Richter-Recht)

Courts basically only exist to say how the existing law applies to a specific scenario

[twin dew]

Yup, which is why even if AB+ somehow infringed on Springer, it wouldn't automatically mean that all adblockers are illegal.

Where as in Common Law system, they would need to be considered de-facto illegal, until another court case.

Depending on exact wording of course.

[dire igloo]

Which, even assuming common law, will be too specific to outright outlaw all adblockers

Hm, I know someone who knows legal stuff and is qualified in law things.
I'll ask her

[night girder]

Google (GOOGL.O), opens new tab will pay $30 million to settle a lawsuit claiming it violated the privacy of children using YouTube by collecting their personal information without parental consent, and using it to send targeted ads.

Break law. Pay fines. Continue breaking laws.

Justice system in it's finest.

[visual tree]

@night girder https://youtu.be/wRyq7BtYqXg

This is our future 💀

[maiden coyote]

30 million is the cost of doing business to them.

Fines should be based on percentage of the yearly revenue of a business.

I bet if that fine was 10% they wouldn't do it again.

[quasi citrus]

it has been a continous fight from media outlets against ad blockers for years. i'm surprised everytime

[night girder]

Not first time it happens I think 😄

It's simple. Tech companies are like murderers that are in shock if their costumers murder, but themselves want to get away with murder.

They fight the world for ads, "how dare users use adblockers", and at the same time (google) collects data without permission for target based ads for children and gets away with it. Logic can't comprehend this.

[bronze jasper]

well that's a turn around. i thought the eu was meant to protect user privacy but now germany is just selling user privacy wholesale

[visual tree]

I see CEO's still haven't learned a lesson that AI is a tool which can improve productivity and not some magical tool which can completely replace all workers

I mean, some jobs/tasks can be completely replaced by AI without any issues but you can't replace everything

[bronze jasper]

those ceos will be replaced by ai

[visual tree]

Speaking of that, CEO got replaced by AI in this video because he was deemed not valuable lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THfBccihkVQ&t=5s

We need this IRL

[bronze jasper]

lol "WHAT DID YOU DO?!"

[night girder]

Oh, wait Asablic. I have some interesting piece of news about AI.

[visual tree]

Is it related to recent MIT study that 95% of companies have zero investment returns from AI?

[night girder]

I had to chuckle when I read that.

[visual tree]

Saw that today lol

[bronze jasper]

we're in the bubble right now. everyone is trying anything they possibly can. 95% isn't working but when a company finally discovers the "killer app" they'll hit it big. theoritically

[sterile plinth]

hey @twin dew regarding moving that c partition, i still didn't manage to make it boot

I tried bootrec /bootfix
Bootrec /rebuildbcd bootrec /scanos bootbcd

I tried removing the old bcd file to generate it from scratch

But while bootrec /RebuildBcd does detect my windows partition and adds it to the boot manager entries, when I try to boot into it it fails

[visual tree]

Screw AI, I want a holosuite from Quarks' bar

[night girder]

I want stable system

[sterile plinth]

Nothing had been deleted from the partition it's still intact, and I have managed to boot into it yesterday before moving

[twin dew]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/bcdboot-command-line-options-techref-di?view=windows-10#repair-the-system-partition

That might help, without that optional format.

[night girder]

I love it when you gave a photo to AI, from a adult actress, that they just give information like full name, link to their only fan.

Like, no privacy at all. Posted that news a week ago or something.

[visual tree]

lol

[sterile plinth]

Already tried bcdboot as I said

[night girder]

I think it will be like facebook. It will fuck up and cause damage, and then in 10 years goverment is like; oh it's bad, and then in another 10 years we get regulations.

[twin dew]

AH, ok, sorry.

[visual tree]

Wish I knew how to trick AI cashier into giving me 100% discount on ordered food

[sterile plinth]

None of them even show an error, they say the os was successfully added to the boot manager entries, which it really was

but when I try to boot into it it says it couldn't boot

I'll send a screenshot when I'm home, it's some error page pretty much

[night girder]

I just whished they sticked to the original plan.

First have a legal framework, then start to implement AI into society.

But now it's wild wild west and the goverment is chasing behind the facts.

And we all know how slow that body is, WAY slower than tech industry and AI "revolution".

I still don't understand how we want from a concrete plan, to this full blown AI chaos.

[bronze jasper]

Well I mean, if someone published their identity all over the internet and promoted an onlyfans page to begin with, why shouldn't an ai model have a record of that? The onus of privacy should be on the person not to publish

[visual tree]

Speaking of free meals

[bronze jasper]

Should nobody ever give credit to actors because their name being on the record is an invasion?

[night girder]

full name ...

identified by tattoos... scary shit man.

[bronze jasper]

Dotcom boom was the same kind of chaos. There were hundreds of failed experiments.

Until people figured out what worked it was dumb for a while

[night girder]

Also I doubt Grok asked "permission" to use the information.

I doubt any AI asks permission.

[visual tree]

I feel like we are heading there with AI crash

[bronze jasper]

Yeah there will be a crash no doubt but some will come out on top

[dire igloo]

Okay, yeah, I was right.
BGH didn't disagree with the OLG's ruling, they just said the reasoning was lackluster.

There are plenty holes in German copyright law which the BGH even mentioned explicitly, so it's very likely that the OLG will adjust their ruling without changing its result

[night girder]

I think the trash will crash.

Like stupid AI buttons in every app etc.

And the "useful" AI we can use as tools will remain.

but then again... NFTs are still here 😭

[twin dew]

How did you move that Windows partition?

[sterile plinth]

gparted

[visual tree]

I think NFT's are going to be forgotten soon, they are no longer "popular" as they used to be

[sterile plinth]

The data is intact

[night girder]

Even the banana NFTS/scam game is still on steam.

After a year or two now. Dominating the top because everyone is AFK farming bananas.

Because they can sell it for real money ... or something ...

[sterile plinth]

Is this 2025? I refuse to believe dota 2 is that high up

[night girder]

Even better, this is 20/08/2025. Ofc Dota 2 and CS2 are top games. Free to play games. Valve games.

[sterile plinth]

What is PUBG doing there????

[night girder]

FREE.

[sterile plinth]

I could've sworn that game died 10 years ago

[night girder]

Like... if it's free it will dominate.

and also not everyone has peak PC.

CS2, Dota 2, Pubg run on ok on old hardware.

Hell, Dota 2 can even be played on a Macbook.

[sterile plinth]

That definitely is true

I just haven't heard the word dota 2 for years, it's pretty shocking to me

[bronze jasper]

this is my favorite nft. it was the most valuable one for some time rarepepes.com/nft/homerpepe/

[night girder]

I am not interested in NFTs. Hate them. With a passion.

[sterile plinth]

what's the point of nfts though

[night girder]

Nothing. You own nothing. You lose money. It's generic AF.

It's one big scam. 💯

[sterile plinth]

The age old "nft users when you screenshot their nft" meme is still valid to this day

[bronze jasper]

i just use it as a symbol of "look at how useful these have become"

[twin dew]

Scamming.

[bronze jasper]

non fungible tokens are a useful utility. but they just aren't used for anything good really

[night girder]

But it works, stupid people do stupid things.

[twin dew]

People think they buy things, when in reality they just "buy" token on blockchain, that might contain link or other data, which anyone can access.
So you just "own" public data.

[sterile plinth]

They're just a horrible use of Blockchain technology

what's useful is the cryptocurrencies made with the same technology

[bronze jasper]

steam licenses are essentially non fungible and non transferable tokens. but they don't exist on a blockchain, they're in valve's databases only

[bronze jasper]

the principle is useful, but they're used horribly for scams and money laundering

cryptocurrencies share the same problem

[mental oriole]

Good.

[night girder]

Random question; if the internet somehow (don't think it's possible with current technology) gets nuked. And somehow every server and SSD is erased. Does that mean we lost all our money also? Since it's all on servers now. And the NFTS and bitcoins ofc.

There was a time, that a bank had to have gold stored in the bank so if people brought in cash, they could get gold in return for cash.
But now that everything is stored on servers.

[sterile plinth]

If a private business like steam is handing out licenses for games, why would they want the licenses to be on the Blockchain and not be directly controlled by them?

[bronze jasper]

i'm just saying that steam licenses are non fungible. it's a concept thats older than blockchains

[sterile plinth]

Hmm that's true, you would have no proof your money ever existed if its all a number

[jagged snow]

Theoretically yes because most banks don't have paper ledgers to keep track of customer accounts and for many currencies like usd a significant amount circulates as digital only

[sterile plinth]

but that's as unlikely as every gold reserve in the entire world being nuked

[night girder]

I wonder if there are backup systems. Like if they have paper traces of what is stored on the server 🤣

[sterile plinth]

aka it won't happen

[night girder]

Fuck.

[jagged snow]

For the big accounts that matter 😉

[sterile plinth]

I guess, yeah

[jagged snow]

There is still value in hard currency and other assets

[visual tree]

We would probably have Fallout scenario where banknotes would be used as a currency if everything goes to hell

[night girder]

Time to store it under a tree again 🤣

And I want my money worth in gold! Just because that's cool.

[bronze jasper]

there are people who keep the blockchain backed up offline. if the whole internet got nuked, presumeably you could still use your private key to authenticate your funds on a backup

[night girder]

No.

Bottlecaps are used as currency. And paper money is used to make fire.

• Only coca cola bottlecaps btw!

[bronze jasper]

commodity bartering would be the realistic result of a failed market

[night girder]

Funny how we used to have backup mechanisms. Because back then, people didn't trust banks.

And now most people don't even think about it all and just trust banks with their life.

I wonder how big the bubble is. Because I think it's a bubble too at this point.

[bronze jasper]

2008 proved that banking is a bubble

[night girder]

Yeah. Kinda.

[sterile plinth]

Well there's nobody that stops you from turning all your money to gold and keeping it

[night girder]

There is.

Russia owns all the gold 🤣

I have heard they have large amounts of stock. For the bad days 😉

[sterile plinth]

maybe if you own 10 billion dollars the gold won't suffice

But the buying and selling price of gold is usually pretty close

[night girder]

I probably get like a tiny nickle of gold haha.

[twin dew]

Buying actual physical gold is restricted in many ways.
You can "buy" "gold" on stock market, but you don't actually get it.

[sterile plinth]

you can just buy and sell whenever you need

[sterile plinth]

In what ways is it restricted to buy physical gold?

[night girder]

Is it still a thing that:

value of all the money in the world = value of all the gold owned by banks? @twin dew

[bronze jasper]

no. world currencies are backed more by securities than gold

[night girder]

Because I don't think that's the case anymore since they start to print extra money here and there.

but can be wrong.

[twin dew]

No, Gold standard was dropped long ago.
And today banks can loan much more money than they have, usually up to 10x IIRC.

[visual tree]

You can buy investment-grade physical gold bars here

[bronze jasper]

the vast majority of money exists purely digitally and isn't printed

[twin dew]

So if they have "money" from consumers in accounts for X dollars, they can loan 10X out.

[twin dew]

Try to find place that sells you a gold bar, that you actually get to take with you?

Instead of being "stored" with them, that you "own".

[night girder]

You could buy a lot of gold items, jewelery and melt it into a bar.

[sterile plinth]

Well, I don't have that kind of money to know, but I do know people who run a family jewelery shop business and do have gold bars

I'm guessing if you're experienced in the field you would know where to buy

[bronze jasper]

not just knowing where to buy but being connected enough to find the opportunity

[visual tree]

Some jewelry stores here also sell gold bars

[twin dew]

Yes, "industrial" gold does exists, but that in turn is really painful to try to convert back into money.
Except as part of products.

[night girder]

Who knows pirates? 🤣

[twin dew]

Vs "Financial" gold bars.

[bronze jasper]

the gold market will be fk'd once they start mining asteroids for it anyways

[sterile plinth]

I'm not sure what you consider industrial, it is 24karat though

[night girder]

I have a friend. If I ask him, I am sure I can get a gold bar.

[bronze jasper]

then ask him to find enough gold bars to convert all your wealth into it

[sterile plinth]

The only thing that makes gold expensive is it's rarity, anyway. In a fallout scenario bread would be more useful than gold

[night girder]

I don't have the liquid money to buy a full gold bar I am afraid.

[bronze jasper]

i'm just saying finding 1 is a different task from finding a market with enough supply to convert is

[twin dew]

Basically those financial, underwritten to specific spec with documentation, gold bars would be too easy way to move black money, they are very tightly controlled.
And converting "industrial", non-specced gold back into money is also tightly controlled for same reason, so that kind of gold is basically worthless as investment.

[visual tree]

A local jewelry selling gold bars here

[night girder]

I think we will be dissapointed how small those bars are 🙁

[twin dew]

Ok, usually those are in way where you "buy" it, but you never actually get physical access, only the ownership certificate.

[sterile plinth]

What kind of control are we talking about? If you have bought a gold bar legally and you legally sell it to a jewelry shop or whatever, who's to stop you?

[bronze jasper]

on paper. if you try to buy many they'll have to call you in to source it for you

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/gold-and-the-dollar-gif-9237182071435431778

[sterile plinth]

Is it a crime to sell a legal good to a vendor

[visual tree]

Larger ones cost like €100.000

[night girder]

That's what I mean with gold bars 😄

[pure karma]

we should just tank the price of gold

[sterile plinth]

wow, that sure is a lot of gold

[twin dew]

So AFAIK usually you just get paper that says you "own" specific gold bar stored in some specific place, that you never actually see or get.

[sterile plinth]

Is that in some Russian warehouse or owned by a bank?

[night girder]

or fake for a movie 😄 Not sure.

[twin dew]

But I can be misinformed about this.

[night girder]

Doubt a bank would keep the gold like that too.

Unorganised, gold on the floor etc. And let someone film inside of it ...

[bronze jasper]

that looks like AI ebcause of how half hazard it is

haphazard rather

[night girder]

Or you can be right and it just depends on country? Or where you ask 😉

[sterile plinth]

I remember seeing somewhere the total amount of gold that exists in the world, and it was surprisingly low

240,000 tons apparently

In the entire planet

[visual tree]

I'm pretty sure they sell physical gold bars here (not ownership certificates)

[bronze jasper]

they could easily spare me 1 ton then

thats all i want. just 1 ton of gold

[sterile plinth]

keep one for me too, sharing is caring after all

[night girder]

I want a gold tooth.

But my dentist said no 🙁

[sterile plinth]

it's strange, the only thing that makes gold valuable is that people see it as such

If you went to somebody that didn't know what gold is and asked them if they'd prefer a steak dinner or a piece of gold they'd probably choose the steak

e.g. the native Americans

[night girder]

If you find this strange; I will blow your mind.

Did you know... that money is worth NOTHING besides the value WE GIVE IT?

So just like gold ...

[bronze jasper]

the mayans an aztecs are native americans and they worshipped the stuff

[night girder]

Like, if we all agree that money is worth 0, then everything collapses.

Because it's literaly worth nothing. It used to be the value of the minerals/paper used maybe, now it's all 1 and 0 on a server.

[sterile plinth]

Well paper money is controlled by an organization and can be acquired in certain ways

[night girder]

It's one of the basics in economy, we decided the value of money. And goods. But it's all made up.

[sterile plinth]

And objects that have a use like food, sheep or pelts at least serve a purpose

[visual tree]

Our former currency (before euro) was named after martens. Marten's fur was used as a currency more than 100 years ago

[sterile plinth]

Gold kind of just exists in the earth and serves no purpose other than shining

But it has an outrageously high price for that

[night girder]

That's a nice piece of historical knowledge 😄

[bronze jasper]

one of my favorite plot arches in the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy are when the alien immigrants decide to ||burn down all the forests on their new planet becasue they decided leaves were currency and had to control the supply||

[night girder]

What aboit oil? Or stones? Or wood?

All natural goods, worth nothing, but we ask money for it.

[sterile plinth]

There's not a lot of objects that are as useless as gold yet cost 100k+ for one kilo

[bronze jasper]

oil converts to actionable energy which is more than gold can do

[sterile plinth]

oil is clearly useful

[night girder]

Gold is also useful.

Durable material. Used in tech.

[bronze jasper]

gold is actually very soft

[twin dew]

And would be much more used in industry, if it didn't cost so much.

And still is in specific places anyways.

[night girder]

think that depends on purity?

and what about conductivity of gold etc?

[bronze jasper]

well yeah the impurities would be the durable bit

[night girder]

I mean, saying gold is useless, I don't think so.

[twin dew]

That softness, combined with non-oxidation is why it is often used in electrical connectors.

[night girder]

as useless as rocks.

[twin dew]

Not directly the conductivity.

[night girder]

and rocks can be used as tools. Or to build shelter.

There are people selling bath water. Everything has value 🤣

[bronze jasper]

one of the longest periods in the anthropologic record is the hand axe era. Humans traded hand axes for 10s of thousands of years

[twin dew]

Conductivity is good enough, but that malleability (connector sides mold to each other) and not oxidizing over time are the actual reasons.

[night girder]

For what? The hand axe was the currency for everything?

then how do you buy a hand axe? 🤔

[sterile plinth]

work?

[bronze jasper]

prestige it seems. but they were a useful tool for processing animals and all sorts of stuff

[night girder]

I though people just traded based on their needs and what they have.

[visual tree]

We still have marten on euro coin 🙂

[sterile plinth]

work in somebody's hand axe factory 🤣

[night girder]

If I had bread ... and you had wood. I would give bread for your firewood.

[sterile plinth]

hmm yes I would do that too

[night girder]

I knew it! We call it "Marter" in dutch.

[bronze jasper]

archeology records show that hand axes would make it 100s of miles away from the quarries they come from, implying there were trade networks for them

and some would be found with jewels embedded, as if they were more important hand axes than others

[night girder]

Interesting. So maybe like the predecessor of swords.

[visual tree]

Marten is called "Kuna" in croatian which was also the name of former currency

[night girder]

Which eventually also become a symbol of status. The plebs had no swords. Some knights had regular swords. Noble and upperclass had the fancy swords they can't even use in battle.

[sterile plinth]

can't use, more like never needed to use

[night girder]

Our previous currency was called "Frank" and all I can think of is "Frankrijk" / France.

but why would we call our currency after France. When we got rid of em.

And our first king was from the UK, since Belgium is artificial country. And the Brits hated france.

[visual tree]

Immediatelly reminded me of Anne Frank. Always wanted to visit her house in Amsterdam

[night girder]

Frank is also just a name. Like Bart. Or Tom. All common names.

[visual tree]

Reading about her is one thing. Visiting her actual home is a whole different experience

[sterile plinth]

does it have anything special?

[night girder]

Who?

[sterile plinth]

the house

[night girder]

ofc.

They hid people.

[visual tree]

I want to see a wooden bookcase which hid the doors

[night girder]

There were so many heroes. And a lot of stories are lost to history.

During the intense fighting at Bastogne in 1944, Vincent Speranza went to visit a fellow 101st Airborne Division paratrooper in a makeshift hospital. Speranza asked the man what he could do to help, and the man asked for a drink. Speranza set out to find something for his friend and came across a bombed-out tavern that, improbably enough, still had a functioning beer tap.

He filled up his helmet with some Belgian ale and returned to the field hospital.

Not surprisingly, other wounded GIs asked Speranza to bring another round, and he continued tending bar for the wounded soldiers, running to refill his helmet until a doctor put a stop to it.

The combat beer run became a legend in the 101st Airborne, and — to Speranza’s shock later in life — in the town of Bastogne. On a return trip to the town decades later, he discovered that his beer had inspired a local brand of ale, “Airborne Beer.” Its label depicted an American paratrooper carrying a helmet full of beer. In local bars, it was often served in a miniature helmet.

[visual tree]

I think I played Meta Quest app where I could roam through Anne Frank's house

www.meta.com/experiences/anne-frank-house-vr/1958100334295482/

[night girder]

You can also find a video (youtube) of himself telling the story 🙂

Sadly, 2 years ago Vincent Speranza died. What a champ.

[visual tree]

My former colleague's mother cheated death during the war by mere seconds. She was near the window and moved away few seconds before the cluster bombs fell

[night girder]

It's one of the things I respect the US to do. They are making an archive of war veterans and they just interview them and throw it on YT. Just as much as they can. So their stories are not forgotten. I whish we had something like that over here. Because I am sure every country has its heroic tales to tell.

[sterile plinth]

the problem is that US is usually the aggressor in these wars

or well, intervenes when there isn't a need

(not talking about ww2 of course)

[visual tree]

I still remember air raid sirens and running to the shelter with my sister across the road during the war and didn't have any clue what was going on. I was 5 years old back then and didn't understand the concept of war

[night girder]

To be precise, it's not the US (gov) doing. But the war veteran center I believe.

[sterile plinth]

during which war was that?

[night girder]

Kosovo?

[visual tree]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_War_of_Independence

[night girder]

https://www.youtube.com/@americanveteranscenter (highly respect the work they do)

[bronze jasper]

Aruba Jamaica ooo i wanna take yea. DOwn tooo koosovooo. we'll get there fast an then we'll take it slooowww

[night girder]

last thing I will say about this. These videos can be "boring" but that's the beauty of it. Just a veteran and a camera and then let them talk.
They want to preserve. Not make things up. Or entertain.

[sterile plinth]

Its just part of US culture to harbor big respect for veterans

[night girder]

Eh ... historically? No. They had to learn.

[twin dew]

In name only for most part.

[sterile plinth]

no one single organization is responsible for that kind of thing

[bronze jasper]

thaaaats wherre we wanna goooo. way down to kosovo!

[night girder]

There are veterans, on that channel, that said; "When I got back home from Vietnam, and I saw people spitting on my buddies, I went to the bathroom and took off my uniform."

[visual tree]

Lot of my relatives moved to USA during WW1

[night girder]

Where would you all move too? I would consider Canada. Seems like the last chill place.

[sterile plinth]

You mean where we would have moved during WW1?

[night girder]

Nah, atm. If you had to flee.

[sterile plinth]

So, assuming ww3 broke out, or assuming my own country got into a war with another

[visual tree]

My mother's relative lives in Toronto. He is complaining about high real estate prices though. Good thing he bought the house on time

[bronze jasper]

canada has our own brand of radicalism

[sterile plinth]

I'd just go to Germany or Serbia if Greece got in a war (assumably with turkey)

[night girder]

If that's the standard. Only space is safe atm. 🤣

[sterile plinth]

If we're talking about world war 3, somewhere as far away from the mainland continents as possible

So, Australia

[visual tree]

I would go to New Zealand. They are peaceful and nobody has any interest to attack them

[sterile plinth]

If we're talking about such small places the feroes islands would be an insane destination

[bronze jasper]

i feel like my island off the west coast of canada is going to do fine. not a lot of reasons to invade here other than it's pretty

[night girder]

@visual tree So this guy was the good guy?

[sterile plinth]

Canada has hundreds of giant islands, get a cabin there and they will never find you

[night girder]

And this guy was the bad guy?

The dude smiling...

and the dude not smiling ... had your back.

[visual tree]

My personal opinion is that both guys are evil

[night girder]

Ah, yeah. No. That makes sense.

Was just not expecting that Serbian President to be so ... chippy lol

[visual tree]

Found perfect shelter in case of WW3: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tristan_da_Cunha

Nobody is ever going to invade that island

[bronze jasper]

then how is it a british colony?

[sterile plinth]

French Polynesia

[visual tree]

It's a colony but it is considered one of the most isolated island in the world. I don't see why anyone would invade it since it's in the middle of the atlantic ocean

[night girder]

I wouldn't do it, Brits can't defend colony* islands for shit.

[bronze jasper]

britain is literally an island

[night girder]

Yeah, I meant colony islands 😄

[bronze jasper]

ah you fixed it

[night girder]

Yeah. I realized the same haha 😄

During WO2 they spend shitton on money on defenses for colonies. And they got taken in hours with little to no resistant.

[bronze jasper]

i'm like "did pretty good during the blitz dint they"

[night girder]

They did.

[bronze jasper]

not so well against the romans but they learned

[night girder]

and vikings ...

[bronze jasper]

oh yeah the vikings too

and i guess the royal family is french

[night girder]

they just rowed inland, plundered, pillaged, kidnapped some people for slaves and bailed.

[bronze jasper]

you might've been right come to think of it

[night girder]

I think Viking culture, was pretty brutal to the outside world.

I not 100% sure how Viking culture was ... within the culture itself?

[night girder]

They are? It's the single most confusing thing in history to me, the relation and hate between Brittain and France.

[visual tree]

The british came and simply claimed it without violence afaik

Btw: https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/qj6pby/til_the_british_inhabitants_of_tristan_da_cunha/

[night girder]

The historical ties between France and the United Kingdom, and the countries preceding them, are long and complex, including conquest, wars, and alliances at various points in history.

Thank you wiki for backing me up. It's the first sentence.

[twin dew]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Conquest

[bronze jasper]

ah yeah. and the normans

[night girder]

Fremish 🤣

Sometimes I think, the EU is just one big melting pot.

[sterile plinth]

Nobody will attack though

[twin dew]

And before Normans, germanic tribes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Saxons

[night girder]

If you trace it all the way back, throughout history, I probably have every culture somewhere in my blood 🤣

[sterile plinth]

That's the thing, being too successful for your own good just gets you invaded

If you aren't planning to fight a war soon it's better to stay a random island in the middle of the ocean

And stay under some colonialist power with no resistance

[night girder]

So at one point, the Flemish went along to conquere the UK. And way after that, the UK sends a bloodline to Belgium to be a King.

We were also part of the Netherlands. We got conquered by France. Germany. The Spanish. Romans.

I am not sure how far the Mongol empire got. But there might be some blood of them in us too somewhere.

[sterile plinth]

Greeks definitely went to Britain much before that, if we're just discussing who the first guy was

[night girder]

Ah, they didn't get to us.

[twin dew]

Point was that several germanic groups moved in after Romans left, and then their "power" was broken by that Norman invasion.

[night girder]

Makes you wonder what the future will bring.

"History tends to repeat itself." and nothing is static.

[sterile plinth]

If a next world war does start its definitely going to be USA and russia

[night girder]

I am not saying near future. Just in general.

[twin dew]

With vikings doing much more than just visiting before Normans:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danelaw

[night girder]

... areas in which English kings allowed the Danes to keep their own laws following the early tenth-century Anglo-Saxon conquest of Danish ruled eastern and northern England in return for the Danish settlers' loyalty to the English crown.

Also known as; stop being annoying and we let you keep the land!

I think the coastline was way too extended back then to be able to properly defend it.

[sterile plinth]

Wales always staying out of conflict

mountains are a wonder

[night girder]

But now I am curious how they invaded. Did they invade with big and large fleets?
Or, as I assume, with small and spread out forces. Hitting many places at once.
Maybe afterwards trying to band together somewhere for a bigger attack.

[twin dew]

Danes?`
Linked in that Danelaw article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Heathen_Army

[night girder]

The invaders initially landed in East Anglia, where King Edmund provided them with horses for their campaign in return for peace.

Bro... King Edmund.

But seems like one big force.

[sterile plinth]

can't believe he would snake his own brethren like that

[night girder]

it gets better.

In 871, the Vikings moved on to Wessex, where Alfred the Great paid them to leave.

[sterile plinth]

it was an inside job from the very start

[night girder]

Like, the way these guys handled things back then 🤣

"Here have horses, but leave me alone" - Vikings: "Ok? Thanks I guess?" ... "Here have money, leave me alone." - Vikings: "Ok ... Cheers?"

and on they went haha.

But to be fair, they never conquered anything. It still a raid.

Up to the point that you mentioned Baldur, that the king gave em land for peace.

[sterile plinth]

11th century fights are more interesting

entire danish empire and all

[twin dew]

Well, one of the kings.
There wasn't single one back then yet.

[night girder]

I don't know, I find this stuff pretty interesting. Reads like a book.

Burgred, the king of Mercia, fled overseas and Coelwulf, described in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle as "a foolish king's thegn" was imposed in his place.

[sterile plinth]

This is what happens when you have 20 kings

[twin dew]

Because actual documentation from back then is very shaky and has lot of holes.

[night girder]

Pretty shit to go into the history books as the foolish king 🤣

[night girder]

I know. And just if you read the wikipage, they mention it.

Like what happened to Ragnar?

The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle does not mention the reason for this invasion, perhaps because Viking raids were fairly common during that period. The Tale of Ragnar's Sons,[7] on the other hand, mentions that the invasion of England by the Great Heathen Army was aimed at avenging the death of Ragnar Lodbrok, a legendary Viking ruler of Sweden and Denmark.

Who was thrown in a pit of snakes. How hard was it in that time to get a pit full of snakes.

[sterile plinth]

it sounds like the average medieval punishment tbh

I remember seeing one where they heated up gold to crazy high temperatures then press it in your body

[night girder]

sounds a bit holywood if you ask me... but maybe. Still. A pit full of snakes? How do you keep them all alive. What do you feed them. It sure doesn't sound practical. Also, you need to import them I guess?
Not as practical as the 4 horses punishment where they pull you apart. Seems easier to pull of and also gruesome.

[sterile plinth]

Search execution by molten gold

or well, any metal for that matter

[night girder]

I believe you 😄 Just not the pit of snakes 😉

[sterile plinth]

The thieves from Theseus's tale also had some crazy tortures

there was one called Prokroustis which would put you on a table the length of an average human

If you were shorter than the table, he would stretch you to fit its exact dimensions

If you were bigger, he would cut off your legs

until you fit that height

[bronze jasper]

why did it have to be snakes?? 🤠

[safe trench]

least violent*

[sterile plinth]

haha, share your stories if you know anything worse :)

[night girder]

the rat one is pretty brutal.

[sterile plinth]

oh god

[night girder]

Anyway, I just wanted to point out it's hard to know which are legends (made up) and what is true.

[sterile plinth]

Old historians like to exaggerate a ton

[night girder]

The whole problem with history that not everything is as clear.

[night girder]

Especially the Romans etc.

[sterile plinth]

The only thing that's clear is who won the fight

anything else ESPECIALLY the size of the armies is always made up

[night girder]

Like if 3-5 different sources talk about the same battle at the same spot, there is a high chance it happened there.
But then the details can be totally different. "There was a Cyclops or something unbelievable."

[sterile plinth]

"100k Persians vs 400 Greeks" this did not happen 😭

[night girder]

nop.

[bronze jasper]

i think a lot of the exagerations of medieval torture devices were dreamt up by victorians projecting their sadism

[night girder]

I think there was a disadvantage. But that's about asfar as I would go.

[night girder]

On the other hand; people are capable of doing almost anything.

[sterile plinth]

If someone is sadistic enough to imagine that he might as well actually do it

[night girder]

So there is always, even how crazy a torture method sounds, a tiny possibility, someone was crazy/sadistic enough to pull it off.

[bronze jasper]

the victorians ate mummies to absorb their powers. i wouldn't be surprised if they were actual psychopaths too

eating mummies cannot be good for the neurology

[sterile plinth]

I was reading an article on "cures" for the black plague during the medieval times

[night girder]

that's cannibalism still no?

[sterile plinth]

Apparently they would grind down unicorn horns and eat the dust

or let leeches leech their whole body to absorb the evil spirits

[night girder]

Yeah, bunch of snake oil

leeches can have medical purpose though.

[bronze jasper]

leeches can deal with internal bleeding but yeah, thats not how they were used before

they were used to balance humors or whatever they were, like blood letting

[night girder]

We all know how they used to fix people with mental ilnesses.

Or how they experimented with it atleast.

[sterile plinth]

wasn't the lobotomy much much later?

[night girder]

Sure. Before that they threw you off a cliff.

[sterile plinth]

Everyone is crazy to some extent

I'd assume some people in those ages were more blood hungry than a modern schizophrenic murderer

[safe trench]

their creativity for murdering people is unmatched

[night girder]

There is context to it. Survival. If you were a burden to the community and contributed nothing ... it can put others in danger.

And then there was just the lack of science and knowledge like we have now.

Thunder was Zeus etc.

[safe trench]

not an excuse to give them the must brutual punishment for that

[sterile plinth]

I'm pretty sure it's symbolic

[night girder]

Also, punishment was to set as an example to keep people in check.

[sterile plinth]

people didn't genuinely believe when there are high tides Poseidon is having a bad day

[bronze jasper]

I thought zeus was lightning

[night girder]

No, they literaly didn't know what Thunder was.

⛈️

[sterile plinth]

or that if they climb up to Olympus they will genuinely find the 12 gods

[sterile plinth]

they just couldn't explain it, doesn't mean they thought a god is angry every time it happens

[bronze jasper]

well like, many did climb olympus. it isn't that big of a mountain

[night girder]

It was deeply rooted into their culture.

[sterile plinth]

not in ancient Greece

The current "climb" for olympus is plain old walking, someone with zero experience can reach the summit in one day with zero gear at all

But back then it wasn't as easy

[night girder]

Anyway, many inexplicable things got Gods attached to it.

[bronze jasper]

yup. they'd leave offerings on top all the time. there is archeological evidence for it

[safe trench]

source: just trust me bro ™

[sterile plinth]

Not to the top is my point

[night girder]

Archaeological evidence suggests that Mount Olympus was regularly visited in religious pilgrimages through antiquity and the early Middle Ages. For instance, ancient Greek pottery, coins, and evidence of sacrificial ashes estimated to be from 400 B.C. have been found on the summit.[3] Plutarch, writing during the Roman Empire, reported that writings and sacrificial ashes left by priests and religious pilgrims on the summit of the mountains of Mount Kyllini and Mount Olympus could be found intact several years later, neither being washed away by rains or scattered by wind

[sterile plinth]

During the Roman empire the summit may have been reached

[bronze jasper]

zeus wasn't on the highest peak. he was said to have sat upon one of the lesser peaks

[sterile plinth]

But definitely not during the apex of ancient greece

[bronze jasper]

i geuss it looked more like a throne or something

[night girder]

The third highest peak of Mount Olympus, called Agios Antonios (Άγιος Αντώνιος "Saint Anthony", 40.0677°N 22.3511°E, 2,817 m), is known to have been the site of a sanctuary of Zeus in antiquity based on archaeological finds discovered in 1961

[bronze jasper]

^

[sterile plinth]

Searching "sanctuary of Zeus on mount olympus" doesn't seem to show any results, what's the source for this?

[night girder]

wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Olympus

[bronze jasper]

what are you using for a search engine because i catch hundreds of results

[night girder]

I mean, a lot of artwork, statues, architecture all was for the Gods. They were important.

[bronze jasper]

it mostly started with homer's poems. Iliad and odyssey

[night girder]

But it's hard to say for sure how much % of the people actual believed and how many didn't.

[sterile plinth]

Them being important doesn't mean that people put science to the side because they believed the gods to be the answer for everything, like in the medieval times

[bronze jasper]

i think it was like, the poem was a blockbuster movie that got a lot of cult following

[sterile plinth]

Greeks clearly kept trying to explain these phenomena and often managed to, showing that they did have knowledge that attributing something to a god is just admitting you don't have the answer to it

[bronze jasper]

the myths existed already but homer was the one who wrote of them living on olympus

[night girder]

Mythology was at the heart of everyday life in Ancient Greece.[15]: 15  Greeks regarded mythology as a part of their history. They used myth to explain natural phenomena, cultural variations, traditional enmities, and friendships.

[bronze jasper]

speaking of the odyssee i'm looking forward to seeing nolan's movie adaptation of it

[night girder]

Science wasn't the same as our science. Just facts. Not saying they were dumb. Just saying, they were making a puzzle, without having all the pieces. Especially for the things we know now. We have all the pieces. And for certain things, even we don't have the full puzzle.

[sterile plinth]

you can't deny feats like calculating the perimeter of the earth

[night girder]

Btw, we still do it. But different. Things we can't explain that we see? Must be aliens. Or must be ghosts.

[bronze jasper]

ancient greece produced Archimedes afterall

[night girder]

I am saying, if there was a Tsunami. They genuinly didn't know the science behind it. Same for thunder/lightning.

Not like we do now.

[bronze jasper]

yeah it'd be hard to correlate a distant earthquake with a tsunami event. accurate measurements are a big part of scientific understanding

[night girder]

And again, this is not an assault on their character. The playing field is totally unfair.

[night girder]

Exactly. So it wouldn't be weird for some people to connect the dots to maybe I don't know ... some pissed of God?

[sterile plinth]

Not knowing and not wanting to know is two different things. They tried to investigate how the weather, how the sea, how the celestial bodies functioned , successfully or not

Someone who blindly believes in their god doesn't ever question whatever they're told

[night girder]

I didn't deny that I think?

[sterile plinth]

their culture was not like that, they did realize god was not the end all be all of phenomena

[bronze jasper]

indubitably

[night girder]

but its literal the origin of the gods and myths ...

regardless of how it evolved afterwards.

[bronze jasper]

we do the same. we use place holders for unanswered questions. dark energy / dark matter / singularity / etc...

[night girder]

Yeah, I think so too.

Like I said. Ghosts. UFO's.

[bronze jasper]

youtube influencers aren't real

[night girder]

There are people out there really believing these things ...

[bronze jasper]

5g activated covid microchips

[night girder]

Yeah ... dark matter is interesting concept.

[bronze jasper]

according to the standard model, 25% of the universe, most of the matter creating gravitational influences, is matter that emits no EM energy at all and doesn't interact with it, other than gravity

70% of the accounted energy is completely unknown and not part of known forces. that's dark energy

[night girder]

and it's still theoretical.

[bronze jasper]

yeah the standard model just doesn't make sense without that gigantic place holder

[sterile plinth]

It's just a placeholder for energy whose source we don't know

I don't think it really describes anything specific

[bronze jasper]

I think at this point it's describing cosmic expansion and it's acceleration

[maiden coyote]

It should be against the law to make a vehicle does not have a neutral, or a easy way to release the parking break when it's disabled.

[bronze jasper]

Cough Tesla cough

[maiden coyote]

Tesla at least has tow mode...

If the vehicle can power up or the 12v system jumped you can use it...

I'm talking about gm BMW nissan, Mercedes... etc that have an electronic shifter and can not be put in neutral unless the engine starts

Most ford's will let you do it if you hold the start button.. and Chrysler has a pull string hidden under the dash or cupholder

[night girder]

I think my car does it too. Engine needs to be turned on.

[jagged snow]

"It's okay, our dealer-approved tow company has wheel dollies"

[visual tree]

*grabs popcorn, this is going to be interesting 🍿

[verbal raft]

pink it everything marked as UI

[night girder]

www.windowslatest.com/2025/08/20/microsoft-is-investigating-windows-11-kb5063878-ssd-data-corruption-failure-issue/

So, original found by someone in Japan downloading a cyberpunk update around 50GB.

[dire igloo]

Actually, I could ABSOLUTELY see this go to constitutional court.

OLG Hamburg has made some very questionable rulings and blatant process errors in the past, so the federal constitutional court has ruled any case brought to them from OLG Hamburg would always be justified

To bring a case to the BVerfG you have to argue that your constitutional rights could have been violated.
The court only takes your case if there is constitutional relevance - which is quite a high bar to clear.
So it's very rare for them to provide a free pass to them for any case from a specific courthouse.

www.lto.de/recht/hintergruende/h/bverfg-1bvr270819-anhoerung-gehoer-antragsgegner-gericht-einstweilige-anordnung-unterlassungsverfuegung-abmahnung-waffengleichheit

⬆️
Source for the OLG Hamburg shenanigans with BVerfG and their "free pass" ruling

[visual tree]

Fireworker, I just watched the german brainrot called "Auch Zwerge haben klein angefangen/Even dwarfs started small". That is one of the most bizzare movies I have ever seen lol

[night girder]

Brainrot?

[visual tree]

I guess you could call it a brainrot. If you watched the movie, you would understand

[night girder]

I am good. German movie from 1970 about midgets.

[visual tree]

I think I watched it as a kid but I had no clue what was going on

[dire igloo]

Oh wtf.
Never heard of it, thought it was one of the Otto Waalkes parodies on snow-white

[visual tree]

It's controversial though imo

Btw, my nephew is called David too 😄

[soft bloom]

TIL both were made by SONY

[wanton orchid]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H3xQaf7BFI F didnt have time to download the documentary

[twin dew]

So short snippets of TV news were too much...

[wanton orchid]

I must have been faster

I'm so pissed

dont be like me, dont be late guys

[tribal kraken]

Camry on ramps, needed some 2x4 helper wood to clear bumber and middle of body floor. Had an same age Avensis there before and it had plenty of ground clearance to get there. Anyway spray soaked all the 27 year bolts with penetrating oil. Will see If get correct part tomorrow before removing the subframe.

[main falcon]

Here's some blowout panels for a T-80 Main Battle Tank :3

[twin dew]

Not blowout panels.
Explosive reactive armor housing and in theory two explosives units for those.

Blowout panels would be things meant to fail first in case of internal explosion.
ERA is meant to form counter-explosion and distrupt HEAT rounds effect.

Kontakt-5 in this case?

[night girder]

Fuck you Quora. 🖕

[twin dew]

Kontakt-5 also tries to protect against solid rounds, and not just HEATs like Kontakt-1, but how well that actually works is up to debate, as the data isn't public.

[visual tree]

I find it funny how Windows Media Player in Windows 11 doesn't support HEVC and you have to pay for an extension while VLC already has HEVC support

[twin dew]

Licensing costs.
MS has to pay, VLC doesn't pay.

[pure karma]

deserved honestly

[twin dew]

So either you have to install HEVC codec from outside source.
Pay 1e for MS version.
Have computer that includes that HEVC codec as part of the computer cost.
Or use VLC or like that come with codec pack included.

[visual tree]

Guess that's why nobody uses windows media player

[pure karma]

i exclusively use it so....

most people only play Mp3's

[twin dew]

Installing LAV filters or like, basically any codec pack using FFMpeg libraries, to get the same codecs as VLC builds in, for use with any Windows software isn't hard.

Classically Windows came with almost no video or audio codecs.

And you got whatever player program you wanted, and whatever codec pack you wanted.
VLC is just special case that includes both, but the codecs aren't installed as general Windows ones.

[visual tree]

Windows Media Player/Media Player is going to end up like Internet Explorer

[pure karma]

Oh dear god pewdiepie bought 7 RTX 4000 gpu’s

[visual tree]

Nice, I am finally going to troll a giant police officer

[bronze jasper]

VLC is entirely non commercial. so they dont have to pay commercial licensing fees. funny thing is that if the developer did decide to accept the million dollars to put ads in VLC, then they would've had to start paying for commercial purpose licenses