off-topic-tech

[jagged snow]

Time to switch to gitea

[jagged snow]

I've noticed a significant and growing perception among many people that llms can be treated as a highly reliable source. It's very concerning

[night girder]

If that is true, it is.

But people will (hopefully) find out by using the tools daily, that can spew out crap.

I don't have a exact ratio though, seems about 60% accurate/usefull information and 40% made up information.

[thin trout]

Problem is, if you don't already know the correct answer in as much detail as possible, you don't have the knowledge required to identify what is crap and what is useful for learning

[night girder]

Also I noticed, that the LLM that I use, ALWAYS try to answer, even if there is no data.

[pure karma]

the only usefull purpose i have found for this stuff so far is indentifying stuff

[night girder]

So I've been searching up niche topics about games, like "Item of the incredible hero X can I sell it or should I keep it?". When I google the item, I find 0 information about it. Nobody knows what it does ingame etc. But then I ask a LLM and it started to make stuff up about the item itself 🤣

[thin trout]

Yeah, if you ask it basic satisfactory questions they confidently give you the wrong answer and even make up resources.

[night girder]

Yeah, and that is worrisome to me! Personally, I rather have that it would say; I have no information about that.

But for some reason it always wants to provide a answer, even if wrong.

Atleast the ones I've tried so far.

Also, salute to the 5700X3D. Rumor: EOL. The last AM4 3D V cache.

[safe trench]

didnt trump say that the current intel ceo needs to resign?

[night girder]

#off-topic-tech message

[dire igloo]

I've started calling them linguistic predictors.
Makes a lot of arguments very awkward when I rephrase what people say that way

[dire igloo]

Which means anyone without proper critical thinking capabilities or inadequate knowledge of the subject matter will end up with 40% indistinguishable misinformation

[dire igloo]

It's called hallucination and it's a fundamental part of LLMs

[night girder]

Yeah, we've been over that. Most of us know they make stuff up 🙂

[dire igloo]

They're linguistic predictors.
Their entire purpose is to make up information that isn't in their training data.
They're built to answer anything in the sense of "if I had data about it, this is what it would look like"

[night girder]

You can even ask a LLM why they always answer.

And one of them answered that "they" (I think it said researchers) are aware of this flaw and might make "confidence" visible for the users asking the question.

[dire igloo]

Do you know these magazine puzzles where you have a sequence of numbers and get tasked with predicting the next numbers in the sequence?
That's a very dumbed down version of what LLMs do

[night girder]

Because I think some models already use confidence in the back-end, but we can't see it.

[jade sluice]

Hi whats up? Is there a channel where I can get help? I cant seem to understand pipelines apparently

[dire igloo]

More likely that "they" are the developers of that AI model, likely commercial engineers instead of researchers

[night girder]

#1038092680493801533 @jade sluice

[jade sluice]

Thanks

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[night girder]

Why do you think confidence is not public? 🙂

It wouldn't surprise me if companies are finetuning the LLM's untill they are satisfied with the confidence and accuracy, and then show it to end-users. But only once it's good enough.

[glossy glacier]

i always liked to call them "autocomplete on steroids"

[dire igloo]

Because higher "confidence" would make people believe that the answer is more likely to be correct.
In reality, LLM confidence means how probable it is for the answer to be the most likely continuation

[dire igloo]

Also a good one

[dire igloo]

A high LLM confidence can be woefully inaccurate or false while a factually correct statement can have low LLM confidence

[safe trench]

also known as "glorified pattern recongintion machine"

[dire igloo]

Or linguistic predictor

[jagged snow]

Yeah, confidence is essentially a measure of the statistical correlation between the model's output and material seen in the training material

[dire igloo]

Which ironically means "this sequence resembles my training data the closest" which would make it a metric of accuracy again - assuming factually correct training data

Still doesn't mean that it infers any reasoning and especially not that it correctly extrapolates for data

[bronze jasper]

it depends on how you use it. chatgpt can reference semantically formed data like a wikipage too. Like, if you point it at satisfactory game wiki before asking it questions, it will give you highly accurate answers

Retrieval Augmented Generation, or RAG for short. It's a few years old now but chatgpt has only been able to access webpages for about ayear now, so it's not as well known

[jagged snow]

Yeah that's not at all what I'm talking about

And it is still limited by its context window and highly prone to confabulations

[bronze jasper]

I agree. Like i said, it depends on how you use it. keeping one chat window open instead of keeping a narrow context is bad approach for example

[jagged snow]

I don't dispute thier validity as a tool, but I do dispute thier validity as anything more than that

[bronze jasper]

i think their validity as a robot friend is entirely subjective. It's not up to you to tell people they can't be besties with an AI chat bot.

i personally wouldn't go that way, but i can see validity in it for some if i force my empathy engine to turn over a few times. she's a rusty one she is

[jagged snow]

I disagree on the subjectivity of that

[bronze jasper]

it's an entirely subjective experience. you can't define what makes a best friend for anyone but yourself

[pure karma]

well rip ig my phone just fucking died cause it dosent turn on anymore

[night girder]

huh, reminds me off the laptop that I got that turns hardware on and off when you boot it.

[languid gulch]

fun question time:

how do i make an application panel pop up in a consistent spot and size on my screen, when it apparently can't remember to do it

[languid gulch]

i have a game that just refuses to fire up in a spot where i actually play it

[ivory rampart]

In a consistent on the monitor or relative to the parenf?

[languid gulch]

-i'm on 3440x1440
-i run this game 2560x1440
-i put it on the right side so that i can have other apps open next to it
-every time i start the game, it insists on opening centered on the screen, i have to manually drag it to the right side

[ivory rampart]

oh i thought you mean from the dev perspective.

Idk then go write complaing to the devs that made it

[languid gulch]

it's 20 years old, god knows where they are now

[karmic socket]

you could always write a script to move the window to the right spot

[languid gulch]

is there a trick in windows to do it?

[karmic socket]

you could try Win+Right Arrow

its a keyboard shortcut for forcing windows to occupy the right half of the screen

[languid gulch]

no luck

[karmic socket]

lookup PowerToys/FancyZones

probably overkill, but it might do the trick

[languid gulch]

oh i already have it

[karmic socket]

aint the same as spawning the window on the right spot though

[languid gulch]

yup

i think that's been the main issue, it's like the second the game closes, windows forgets it's ever existed

GOT IT

wait

ok it did it for like a second

well that's fun

it'll do it on the loading screen, but not the "actual game"

[ivory rampart]

also works for swapping the monitor the app is on.
win + arrow up twice should fullscreen the selected application

[verbal raft]

XeFG: 70fps +79%
FSR FG: 72fps +84%
native: 39fps
XeFG is so much lighter than i expected

[pure karma]

if only it was actually available

and in games people play

[willow pike]

what of image quality

[pure karma]

riding the fine line

[languid gulch]

wait, is that vram or dram

[pure karma]

normal ram

[languid gulch]

oh, so not a 5090

[pure karma]

no lol

[languid gulch]

peasant 😛

🤣

[pure karma]

just beamNG reminding me that i need to spend 400$ on 64GB of RAM

[languid gulch]

awwww

[pure karma]

to have fun

[languid gulch]

idk if you need to spend that kind of money on a 64gb kit

[pure karma]

i mean iv been checking every once in a while and for the most part it seems to stick to like 300$ minimum

[languid gulch]

are you trying for 9000MT/s or something?

[pure karma]

no like 6000 or sticking to 6400MT/S

[languid gulch]

i mean, my kit is $250

and it's pretty top end

oh wait

are you talking AUD or CAD?

[pure karma]

cad

[languid gulch]

ah

[pure karma]

so yea like 220 probably

[languid gulch]

was super confused about how it'd be $300 minimum 🤣

[pure karma]

the cheapest kit i see for 64GB of ddr5 is a 5600MT/S kit of kingston fury for 230$

[languid gulch]

i see corsair veng 64gb 6000 for that

do i wanna know what the import tax would be if you ordered it from amazon US

[pure karma]

isent it 50% now with the tarifs

[languid gulch]

fuuuuuuuuuuuck

double BS considering that they're not even legal

actual tariffs have to be passed by congress

[pure karma]

its literally cheaper to buy from the EU i think lol

[languid gulch]

i suspect that's deliberate

ok dumb question time

think you could get a 5600 kit and manage to OC it up to 6000

[pure karma]

yea but thats a lot of effort

[languid gulch]

yea, i see a siliconpower kit for $214CAD

not a garbage brand, but probably not the best

[pure karma]

i was at like 16GB/12GB vram usage but thats a pretty normal day for me

[weak stirrup]

which meme you ask @hot turret ? all of them.. this one is in fact new to me 😂 but the onei knew was better

[hot turret]

999999 😄

[weak stirrup]

yea.. this one is rather.... blunt

the one i had in mind has more details to it... more responses (including the downvoted correct answer 😂 )

[hot turret]

+rep for mentioning irrelevant library xD

[weak stirrup]

yea.. it almost looks like someone like me looking for the other one and then creating a mediocre one from memory instead 😂

[hot turret]

Same lol

[twin dew]

So it is the monthly Reboot Day again...

[weak stirrup]

oh.. no stackoverflow links... thats fair.. 😂

[twin dew]

Its very small whitelist of allowed domains, not blacklist.

You can go around it by just removing the protocol from front, so just delete https:// part.

[verbal raft]

certanly far fewer artifacts than FSR FG

though it doesnt like if if you dont mask UI for it
gets quite wobbly

[verbal raft]

optiscaler devs are working on adding it to OptiFG

so soon that shouldnt be a problem

[verbal raft]

infact this test was using an early build of OptiFG with XeFG

[languid gulch]

ok, got another fun one: changing the airflow pattern in my case

Corsair 6500X (yes, i know, but not my choice)

currently bottom & side are intake, rear & top exhaust

[verbal raft]

that was also in satisfactory too btw

[verbal raft]

looks sick btw

[languid gulch]

would it be stupid of me to move the radiator to the side, have it be exhaust, then have the top be intake, bottom exhaust, and possibly switch the 4090 into a vertical mount

and rear be intake too

both the top & bottom have a filter, but i find it ugly to keep the top filter on while it's not just doing nothing, but actually being a bit of a blockage. moving to an "air down" config would let be take the bottom filter out without it being noticeable, plus the top filter would be a hell of a lot easier to notice when it's time to clean

[languid gulch]

sadly with the red LEDs at max, the entire system heats up by 8-10c 🤣

[kindred mural]

Turn down the brightness

I have mine at like 70% and u don't see a difference in the actual brightness

But it's better for the fans and pc

[languid gulch]

true

and i rarely actually have them on

[kindred mural]

I have em on but they turn off when Im afk

[languid gulch]

ok why the hell is a 4090 now $3500

[kindred mural]

Why not

[languid gulch]

i mean, yes, but also, why

[twin dew]

Out of production, so the last units are being scalped?

[kindred mural]

Yeah

[pure karma]

[kindred mural]

And also nobody needs a 4090 realistically

[languid gulch]

i find it downright insane that i could then scalp mine, buy a 5090, and have $1000 leftover

[twin dew]

There is very small market which cannot take upgrades, and is willing to pay for the scalped prices in the long tail.

[languid gulch]

also i wouldn't do that to someone

$3500 is like a used civic

also i'm offended that pcpp doesn't have my keyboard's company as an option, let alone my model

[languid gulch]

still just an insane price

i mean, if i posted a 4090 for like $2500 would it sell instantly

[night girder]

Omg Baldur, you read the news? 🤣

The 💰 worked!

[twin dew]

Intel paying for meeting with Trump probably.

[night girder]

Baldur knows what I am talking about.

[twin dew]

As expected.

[night girder]

After the meeting. Posted on truthsocial. Suddenly no more call for resignation?

[twin dew]

As expected.

[night girder]

Now, hopefully, Intel can start focusing on whats really important. Saving the company itself 😄

[visual tree]

What a plot twist. From claiming Intel CEO is a chinese trojan horse before the meeting to admiring the CEO after the meeting 🤣

[twin dew]

Normal Trump.

[night girder]

Fucked up thing is; it works.

[twin dew]

And that is very bad thing.

[night girder]

Just found out there is such a thing as Lpddr5.

[twin dew]

Low power versions of all the DDR generations have been around for laptops and mobile devices.

But were not commonly used in laptops until somewhat recently, as they are all soldered on.

[night girder]

one seems to have better RAM, other better CPU.

[twin dew]

That quad is not that real, as all the LPDDR generations have been with 32bit channel widths.
So both are 128 bit wide memory.

[night girder]

That's not what I care about 🤣

it being soldered is more something I consider tbh.

First I wanted to go for lenevo ideapad, 8GB ram. 12450H intel i5. But I can get MSI for 16GB for about 50 euros more. And MSI has backlit keyboard and ethernet.

That's equal RAM. Only on lenevo it's soldered on.

[willow pike]

bigly

[verbal raft]

@twin dew
it seems like FSR 3.1 ghosts less on belts than XeSS

[verbal raft]

it also beats FSR 4 in this regard

[willow pike]

xess belt ghosting is ghastly yeah

[verbal raft]

it also ghosts on holograms

[willow pike]

yeag

it's the odd duck out as far as ml taa goes

[bronze jasper]

realistically, nobody needs any gaming hardware but people like their hobbies. if you want to do 4k gaming with HD textures and raytraced lighting, you "need" a 4090

[twin dew]

Professional use exists, with people who don't go for actual professional cards with their much higher prices.

[bronze jasper]

lol i got that keyboard. the macro bank is useful only sometimes

[kindred mural]

I mean like 4090 is too overkill for anyone. Nobody is playing in 4k unless u have a 4k TV and it has bad performance

A different rtx card is needed for running some titles at higher fps

[bronze jasper]

some people do have 4k gaming screens or ultra wides even. i have a 4080 and at 1440p it struggles when some games are maxed

[kindred mural]

My opinion is still that 4k is overkill

I am ofc playing at 1080p and I wanna try 1440p at some point but still 4k is too much

Unless u actually wanna use a TV as a monitor

Then fair enough

[bronze jasper]

perhaps. but if you want to game at those resolutions, you may need a prosumer level card

there are 4k gaming screens, not just tv's

[kindred mural]

In my opinion they are useless

[bronze jasper]

that's entirely subjective

[kindred mural]

Like I'm sayin unless they are TV sized I don't think it makes a difference

[kindred mural]

Yeah ofc it is

[twin dew]

And for that prosumer/professional side, 2500e for 5090 is still much cheaper than 9000e for RTX Pro 6000 Blackwell.

[kindred mural]

Not saying it isnt

[twin dew]

As example.

Even when that actual professional card comes with 96GB of VRAM, if what 5090 has is enough for your use.

[bronze jasper]

lol really depends on your eye sight and visual acuity. i can absolutely tell the difference between 4k resolutions and 2k resolutions in a blind test

[kindred mural]

How

On the same size monitor?

I mean

[bronze jasper]

not everybody has identical eyesight to your level

[kindred mural]

Ig there has to be a difference but not as big as from 1080 to 1440

[bronze jasper]

the audio was on a separate track

betamax was the better tech, but the players didn't sell as well since they were a lot more expensive. ejecting a betamax cassette tape was like a cadillac experience comparitively

back when cadillac was more than just a brand

ugh. youtubers lol. near the end vhs had caught up to betamax's longplay features, but that was it. vhs players were a lot more cheaper in their manufacturing.

TC probably wasn't there at all. but going all matpat on the topic gets views

cheaper players is what won the format war. more people owned vhs players so more publishers committed to vhs casettes

[visual tree]

Learned something new today 😅 . Thought you could run DSL signal through ethernet jacks on the wall like you would connect your devices to the internet using ethernet jack

Turns out DSL has a big sensitivity compared to ethernet and it's not recommended to use ethernet port for it

While ethernet signal is digital and it either works or doesn't

[twin dew]

Ethernet wiring is better than what DSL normally uses, no issues using the better quality wiring for part of the route.

[twin dew]

Both are digital.
DSL just adjusts to SNR by changing how complex (and sensitive) signaling is used.

[visual tree]

Dropped my bandwith from 80 Mbit/s to 68 Mbit/s when connecting phone line to an ethernet jack and then a modem to ethernet jack in another room. When I had 80 Mbit/s, phone line from the attic was directly connected to modem

Always thought if the ethernet wires are good and the ethernet jack is properly wired, you could use ethernet cable or phone cable without any degradation. Turns out I was wrong and learned something new

[twin dew]

Probably because of the extra connections causing extra reflections, and extra wiring distance.

[visual tree]

That, DSL is really sensitive compared to ethernet

[twin dew]

Because it optimizes itself to max bandwidth it can on any cabling.
With configurable SNR margin.

It works on much worse wiring than Ethernet, and with much longer distances, because of that.

Where as Ethernet uses static signaling scheme.
Not one that adjusts to conditions.

Outside the hard speed tiers of 10/100/1000 etc.

Same with WLAN, multiple tiers of signaling schemes with different speeds, with dynamic changes depending the conditions and range.

[visual tree]

That explains the speed drop. I was always traumatized by the term called EMI and thought if the power cable for my router or modem is very close to ethernet cables, it would cause interference and reduce the speed

[twin dew]

It can, that is the point of twisted pair cabling with differential signaling being used to minimize the effects.

[visual tree]

Although modem/router power cable has an adapter on the plug part and reduces the voltage so it shouldn't degrade the signal much in theory

[twin dew]

That often causes more issues.
Switching mode PSUs are NOISY compared to AC lines.

Especially cheap ones.

[visual tree]

Can't wait for fiber soon. Some contractor messed up splices in a fiber enclosure near my home and the ISP wasted 2 weeks correcting the mistake

They can't connect my house until the bad job is fixed

[bronze jasper]

its so weird how twisting cables together will help the snr. i dont even pretend to understand how that works.

[twin dew]

Any outside influence affects both wires almost equally.
And with differential signaling, you only care about the difference between the wires, not the absolute voltage.

[bronze jasper]

🤯

suddenly can pretend i understand how it works now

[twin dew]

If the wires would be just side-by-side, any outside influence would affect the nearer wire more strongly than the farther wire.
With twisting that gets almost equalized.

Where the average distance is almost the same to any outside source of interference.

[visual tree]

I don't understand why some inspectors won't allow fiber cables (non-conductive ones) to be run near electrical cables even though fiber is immune to EMI. ISP's will even pay utility companies to use their conduit where power cables are pulled through to connect homes to the grid

[twin dew]

So that twisting averages the influence.
And then that differential signaling makes that any equal to both wires interference is ignored.

[bronze jasper]

sony doens't always hate open formats. they created dvd among others

[visual tree]

I know, nobody owns us

*yet

I hope Comcast or some other american ISP doesn't buy Deutche Telekom or we are screwed

Although Comcast uses cable only afaik (DOCSIS)

[twin dew]

Laws mandating that high and low voltage cabling must have specific kinds of separation.
And the individuals then not being aware that those don't really apply as fiber optics aren't low voltage cabling.
Thinking the difference is between AC and signal cables.

[tribal kraken]

I'm dissapointed in mobile coverage here. I have 1Gbit symmetrical fiber for internet, but cant talk normal phone calls. So many time better do whatsapp voice calls over wifi/internet

[pure karma]

its practically the same here

sos only in a lot of spots

but gigabit available

[twin dew]

Switch to operator that allows for WLAN calls?
As 4G/5G calling is just data, that doesn't care about if it is over mobile or other type of internet connectivity.
Not sure if all VoLTE phones support that too or not though.

[visual tree]

Wait till they find out fiber sometimes goes inside the same conduit where high-voltage cables are lol

[bronze jasper]

at some point, expanding fiber is cheaper than expanding mobile coverage. with a hardline, you just pay to run another km off existing infrastructure. for wireless, you need to build an entirely new tower to cover a small dead zone

[twin dew]

All three seem to support that, just need to be toggled on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi_calling

[visual tree]

My sister probably uses Wi-Fi calling because she lives in a district with a good coverage but there are a lot of residential buildings around practically blocking the signal and she lives in the basement which makes things worse

[twin dew]

Basically all 4G/5G network mobile phone calls are just VoIP, with tiny bit modified protocol so it isn't directly compatible with standard VoIP.
And cellular providers can then provide connectivity to their VoLTE servers over generic Internet if they wish, as that VoWiFi.

[visual tree]

If she lived in the higher floor, she would have had a better signal

[tribal kraken]

I think have wifi calls enabled, but still its bad even if I sit next mesh satellite

[twin dew]

Point is that needs to be enabled in ISP website for the number, and supported & enabled in the phone

Just having WLAN connectivity isn't enough.

AFAIK none of the Finnish providers have that WLAN version enabled by default.

[tribal kraken]

ISP side not sure, Im on telia so will check now

[twin dew]

Telia has them as 1.29e/month extra.

When editing Telia 4G-Puhe Lisäpalvelu.

[tribal kraken]

Yes, my sub had it off. its free for me. Just need to turn on

[visual tree]

Btw, I was wondering how street power substation look like in each country. Almost every street here has a pre-fabricated tiny house with transformer inside:

Also, there a larger versions

[pure karma]

your substations are that little?

i swear there only 1 here and its massive

[twin dew]

For the last step.
In US and Canada they are usually mounted in the poles in much smaller units.

[pure karma]

oh those ones ok

i tought you mean the substations not the transformers

[twin dew]

Same thing, just the levels differ.

In EU it is usually that the actual larger substation take in 110kv, and step that down to 22kv.
And that 22kv is then moved to various small substations like that that step that from 22kv to 230V.

[pure karma]

ehhhh

[visual tree]

I think those houses contain middle-voltage transformers that convert electricity to low-voltage which is then distributed to end users (houses/buildings)

[twin dew]

While US and Canada etc. do it in different way.

[pure karma]

i think theres are fairly big difference between this

[visual tree]

Probably

[pure karma]

and the infamous spicy buckets

[twin dew]

That is the unit that would output 22kV for the local grid.
Those do exists too.

[twin dew]

So this contains multiple sets of transformers.

[visual tree]

Btw, city substation here looks like this

This one probably handles high-voltage only

[pure karma]

thats too oraganised and safe

[twin dew]

And in EU side, we don't have that kind of things.
But lowest level substations instead in protected enclosures at ground level servicing larger area than the pole transformers.

[visual tree]

lol

We had a huge fire in recycling center last year and they had to shut down power in the whole city as a precaution because the fire was close to high-voltage lines

[pure karma]

were busy too busy burning alive to care about the US rn lol

[twin dew]

This steps the long distance extra spicy 50+kV AC lines down to 11/22kV for city-wide distribution (substation in US parlance)
And then the small "houses" convert that down to "normal" 230V AC for few blocks around each (substation too, just doesn't exist that often in US).

Where as US again has those pole transformers doing the work of the lowest level substations, at much higher intervals.

[visual tree]

High-voltage cables are usually mounted on those huge metal towers

[pure karma]

its all fun and games until you hit a mystery cable that got buried and is no longer visible in any way

[visual tree]

Low-voltage cables are burried everywhere except small villages and some other rural parts

You will even find non-insulated low-voltage cables running from one house to another in desolated villages here

[bronze jasper]

substations come in all shapes an sizes

[visual tree]

While in cities, low-voltage cables are almost burried everywhere

[twin dew]

Yeah, just that in US/Canada, the lowest level ones aren't usually as actual substations, but that kind of pole-mounted individual transformers.
Which was why MagicZ, as Canadian, was confused.

[visual tree]

Last year, they shut down power in the whole city because of this fire:

It looks like the fire is close but it's actually far way

[pure karma]

idk i feel like having them on the ground makes infinitely more sense

the only problem i see is when it ends up in a 10FT snow bank and smashed to pieces by the local snow plow driver at 3 in the morning

good luck fixing the power then

[twin dew]

And they aren't anywhere near roads?
If snowplow drives 4+ meters off the road, then something is very wrong...

No problems with them in Finland.

[visual tree]

I'd rather have someone crash into an electrical pole rather than this:

If you crash into this cabinet, I WILL kill you!

[twin dew]

And they don't have same kind of issues with heat as the pole types have, with insufficient cooling and electrical operator controls from being in too small units all over the place.

[visual tree]

It's a fiber distribution cabinet serving 1000 customers on average and if someone takes it down, expect no internet for at least a week or two

[tribal kraken]

My friend once destroyed one of those with this. Wonder why you need to paint them with army green

[visual tree]

Ouch, bet it took several weeks to restore internet access. You would have to send technicians to install a new cabinet and splice thousands of fiber strands

[visual tree]

Not to mention ISP might sue you for at least €30.000 or less if you are lucky

[tribal kraken]

That roadside mowing job has insurance for that kind of things

[visual tree]

There was a technician here working for an ISP and he once got drunk and demolished the fiber distribution cabinet. They fired him on the spot and sued him for a huge amount of cash. He came back to ISP HR and literally begged on the knees not to sue him and only fire him

[tribal kraken]

That chain flail cutting head will find all stuff that people throw into the ditches. Bicycles etc. This is some barbed wire that I found 😄

Forest machine is good base for that mowing head as it has polycarbonate "windows" that can take hits from whatever flies from there. Even there is steel cover and thick rubber curtain on the cutting head

Yeah, wheeled excavators, wheelloaders and farm tractors can used for it succesfully too.

I've seen one custom made from the vehicle that they use on airports to reverse aircraft from the gates

[pure karma]

Ideal conditions for painting outside

[visual tree]

I just sent an email to all of my MEP's regarding EU chat control but I doubt they will even read it or do anything....

My country already supports it....

[soft bloom]

The funny bit about flat earth is that idea takes origin in myths of world building around many ancient cultures.
Yet someone forgot that they were allegories meant to contain memorable images, like cosmic egg or snake spiral around a turtle etc. Sort of like people nowadays compose short memorable images/phrases to remember something...
||I guess one interesting example of this is egg that gets cracked and flattens out, which is sort of how a cloud of matter organises when it has some spin to it - it flattens out. Applicable on a scale of star systems and even galaxies.||

[languid gulch]

got one of those near me. it actually makes a blind spot for traffic, and has been hit at least 7x that i can remember

[visual tree]

Technicians must be hating that cabinet 🤣

[languid gulch]

probably

[visual tree]

They would probably go to the site to investigate why people have no internet and then find out some car knocked out a cabinet lol

[languid gulch]

it's near 2 apartment complxes, a neighborhood, and 2 strip malls

[languid gulch]

last one was a drunk guy in an S10 that rolled it and stopped on top of it

[visual tree]

It usually takes around 5 minutes on average to splice a single fiber strand. If that cabinet had a fiber cable with 1000 strands, the technician would have to spend around 83 hours in total to splice all strands

Although ISP would most likely send multiple technicians to work at the same time

[languid gulch]

god forbid they pay to move it

even like 5m would make the difference

it's in one of those "i have to lean forward with the car stopped to see around it" positions

oh, best part: there's a matching power box on the other corner

so one can be a blind spot, you go, get hit, and get sent into the other box

[visual tree]

My crazy neighbor prevented ISP from installing a cabinet and they had to find an alternative location

[languid gulch]

oh if it was on my land i'd be charging rent

[visual tree]

They had all building permits but the neighbor was like: "Nooo, it will ruin my beautiful view from the balcony"

[visual tree]

It was on city property and had permit from the city

[languid gulch]

oh that kind of shit

[visual tree]

They even called the police and sued the neighbor

[languid gulch]

my problem is i'm the kind of troll that'd push the permit thru, and then paint that person's face on the casing

[visual tree]

You can paint the cabinet as long as you don't touch anything inside

ISP would probably allow artists to make murals on cabinet

Although vandals would later ruin it with stupid tags

Our city recently paid an artist to draw murals on a pedestrian underpass. After the mural was made, some idiot vandalized murals by drawing swastika and phallic objects 2 weeks later...

They had to install cameras after that because someone also vandalized escalators for the disabled

[languid gulch]

i've never understood it

the effort it takes to be an asshole

[visual tree]

This is the image before they vandalized the walls:

Now, it's full of tags, swastika and phallic objects....

And here are the images of artists repainting the walls after being vandalized....

You can see the text on the right being crossed out with whatever that is...

[pure karma]

if i had to stare at this mural everyday id loose my mind

[visual tree]

🤣

I technically stare at it every day when going to train. Haven't lost my sanity yet lol

They totally wrecked the escalator, not sure if they repaired it...

Wish I knew who it was. I would gladly report them to the police and enjoy watching them being dragged into the police car while eating donuts

[pure karma]

great now i want donuts

[visual tree]

And I hate when people say "Snitches get stitches and sleep with the fishes". If someone vandalizes public property paid by taxpayers, they deserve jail time

[charred relic]

Snitches get stitches

Variety is the spice of life

I have an electric reclining chair in my garage spot now

Peak lazy

Kick back and play madden on Xbox cloud on a virtual screen and still get to enjoy the sunshine

I finally tried Vader Immortal. So good

I wanna be like Mike

[sharp matrix]

Same i hate people that do this crap i really do

[bronze jasper]

i dont mind grafitti when its art, but when it's an ugly mess with no message, i hate that

[pure karma]

no not yet but i should as usual

[pure karma]

not much other than vacuuming ants

[safe trench]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/504436696021204992/1400186686964633740/30177196-AE34-45CD-A1CA-DF5BF89D2D04.gif

[languid gulch]

on today's episode of Cuyar's Stupid Questions

i've been seeing some of those AIOs and rads with the pump built into them

are they orientation restricted or position restricted?

[twin dew]

Depends on the exact implementation.
So read the manual.

Before buying.

[languid gulch]

depends

[twin dew]

Two different standards, old one and the addressable one.

[languid gulch]

2 standards, and also corsair & lian li each have their own to go with their fan controllers

[twin dew]

And then the non-standard stuff.

[languid gulch]

and god knows how many other companies

[twin dew]

The two standard ones, where the 4-pin is the older and depricated:

And that selected connector is just horrible and prone to self-disconnecting.

[languid gulch]

ok, batshit crazy idea

pc case with no fans

but

a silent compressor, and ducting with vents inside

[twin dew]

"silent" compressors are much louder than fans?

They are just relatively silent compared to standard ones.

60dB is much quieter than 90-100dB.

[languid gulch]

what about a series of compressor-like fans that then feed into directional ducting to the hot components?

[night girder]

I think it might be time to start thinking of a new system. In the two years I haven't been able to get this system stable.

Sick and tired of these shitty random crashes that can be caused by any piece of hardware.

With fucking zero information on what is going on. Might as well go for prebuilt nvidia system again 🤷‍♂️

Could bring it to the shop to see if they can figure it out. But I ran memory tests and everything and nothing came out.

And buying new hardware pieces untill problem is fixed gives me a new PC anyway so.

Well, no harm in refitting the ram and cables. Again I guess.

[glossy glacier]

If you have no idea what it is it's probably CPU or PSU

[night girder]

I replaced my CPU already a year ago. I just want to know what the fuck is going on at this point.

[twin dew]

Random instant reboots.

[night girder]

So I know what to not buy in the future. Either Asrock, maybe AMD. Someone is fucking up here.

[twin dew]

Basically case that would need major part swap testing to find out where the problem is.

[night girder]

Or the RAM sticks.

Part swapping. Then let PC run for 7 days straight to get it to crash.

If it doesn't crash between 7-14 days. Replace the next part.

Sounds not viable for a repair shop to do. Else I would have brought it to the shop.

[glossy glacier]

Ah OK
Does the sysrem get stuck for a second or two before the crash or just instant?

[twin dew]

IIRC instant, no warning, no (hidden) BSOD.

[glossy glacier]

RAM or PSU then if the CPU is new-ish.
Had some RAM instability myself and it always freezes a second before rebooting. If the OS can't detect/log an error it's one or the other

[twin dew]

Or can just be misbehaving MB.

Which is why this is so hard thing to diagnose.

RAM problems would usually cause other types of issues too.

Not just instant reboots.

[night girder]

sorry frustrated for a bit

https://tenor.com/view/man-destroys-pc-harold-slikk-new-computer-haroldslikk-escortedcomputer-gif-6426920312096726426

[nimble cargo]

I feel your pain. Been dealing with the exact same thing for what feels like years. Runs fine for a few, then blam, just reboots out of no where. Tested rebuilt tested rebuilt and tested the components, all are good and not throwing errors.

Did a new case/better fan setup, things improved for a while, then started again, but not as often. Latest try was a new PSU, replaced the oldest SSDs now it's another waiting game.

[visual tree]

My sister ordered a power bank with hidden spy camera. Something fishy is going on....

[mental oriole]

[visual tree]

They probably take a very long time to recharge and I don't like the idea of having a battery exposed to the sun unless it's a special power bank

She ordered it and told me in advance it has a camera

The camera is in the middle. You also add a cover over the top part to conceal the camera

[night girder]

What does that even mean ... like how did they optimize? What changed? What values? For what hardware?

WAIT WTF.

That's the first thing I hit when searchfing for 3.25 optimize PBO settings.

[twin dew]

Yeah, but not sure if that affects their 600-series MBs, or only 800:s.
But yeah, there were lot of dead 9000-series AM5 CPUs on 800-series AsRock MBs from various causes.

And possibly some 7000 and/or 600-series MB ones in mix.

[night girder]

😭

So, it's possible I got two dead CPU's now?

[twin dew]

Theoretically.

[night girder]

Because of their shitty BIOS settings? And I say "POSSIBLE".

Holy fuck. Even updating the BIOS now wont fix it. Since CPU is probably already damaged. And if this is the case, that's two dead CPU's.

[karmic socket]

At least it's not Intel xD

[twin dew]

There were multiple things going on.
One of them was too aggressive PBO defaults, if PBO was enabled with rest of the settings on automatic.

Causing silicon damage in the CPUs.

But again, not sure if that affected "600"-series boards or not.

[night girder]

1. The BIOS update is for Pro RS B650M board. (screenshot I posted).
2. My CPU is a 7800X3D

[night girder]

At this rate, I am switching back to green team + intel.

6-7 years gaming on that system (intel/nvidia) with 0 hardware issues.

[twin dew]

Yeah, just that I don't know if there were widespread issues with AsRock 600-series AM5 boards, or only 800-series boards.

[night girder]

What do you mean? The fact they push bios update to those boards, means Asrock thinks they are affected?

[twin dew]

And this set that came up with 800-series boards and 9000-series AMD CPUs was limited to AsRock.
But don't know if it is more widespread on AsRock or not.

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/fml-sylvester-cat-annoyed-head-bang-gif-14151131

[night girder]

Started to keep a spreadsheet with dates when system crashes. Leaving system on 24/7 now. In the hopes if I can notice that crashes to ramp up, or stay stable.

[twin dew]

And you have had PBO enabled with that 7800X3D CPU?

[night girder]

If the crashesd ramp up, it seems likely that my CPU got fried again and is slowly degrading.

[night girder]

Man, you told me 2 years ago to put everything on auto.

Because the motherboard had all these weird values set out of the box.

[twin dew]

And that doesn't enable PBO.

[night girder]

So we went over EVERYTHING to put it on auto.

[twin dew]

PBO on Auto is off.

[night girder]

give me second, let me go check.

PBO on auto is not off.

PBO on disabled = off. PBO on auto is doing things but nobody knows what.

And then PBO on advanced = you get controll.

[twin dew]

PBO on Auto is disabled.

[mental oriole]

I would legit force them to pay for new hw. This should cost them.

[night girder]

There is no PBO "enabled" because that seems to be auto. So PBO seems to be on.

[night girder]

Ok. tell me what does auto do?

THERE IS 3 options:

1. Auto (which you say is same as disabled).
2. Disabled (which is, like you said, the same as auto).
3. Advanced (which is on).

[twin dew]

Sets whatever AMD or MB maker decides.
And AMD official guidance for PBO is that it must be disabled on default/Auto.

[mental oriole]

Idk

[night girder]

Well, 4 years ago it did things.

[night girder]

Eh, hard to proof right? We are not sure at all.

When did the change happen btw Baldur?

Because in 3.20 they removed enabled from the BIOS it seems.

And the current CPU ran on a BIOS version < 3.20.

download.asrock.com/Manual/Software/AMD B650/Software_BIOS Setup Guide_English.pdf - No mention of PBO.

[twin dew]

Because PBO enabled was basically same as PBO Advanced with the new settings on Auto.

[night girder]

Ok, but you don't know when AUTO = Disabled was pushed, which version?

[twin dew]

AFAIK has been that always.
Any proof it hasn't been?

[night girder]

Just want to know if I had a bios version where auto was still the same as "enabled".

[night girder]

Yes, Reddit.

[twin dew]

Link?

[night girder]

www.reddit.com/r/ASRock/comments/r84szm/best_pbo_settings/

[twin dew]

And where does it say that on PBO Auto PBO is enabled above stock CPU settings?
Cannot find anything like that in quick read.

[night girder]

Well, they are testing disabled and auto as seperate entities.

[twin dew]

And found no difference?

[night girder]

If it would be the same result, they wouldn't test it. But sadly the charts are gone.

[twin dew]

And when set to Motherboard Limits (PBO On/Advanced with rest on defaults), they get differences.
Or when on Advanced and changing the various limits manually.

[twin dew]

And the point was that the person testing didn't know that Auto should be same as Disabled, so they tested both?

[night girder]

Well if it was in the manual, I would know for sure. But no, Asrock didn't put PBO and what the values do in the manual.

So all I find are random reddit/forum posts that say auto should be the same as disabled.

[twin dew]

Which is/was easy to check.
As for example HWiNFO can show the limits being applied.

And if they are same as the numbers AMD gives as stock for the CPU, you know you are at stock.
And also easily check that with Disabled and Auto those numbers are the same.

Fused is the CPUs internal set default limits, and that Limit is what UEFI Firmwares PBO settings actually set.
And that PBO Scalar default is always 1x

[night girder]

Oh, I have to check that?

I was checking PBO max in summary.

Which seems to be the same between the two.

[twin dew]

That PBO Max in the summary is the extra frequency boost you can set when PBO is Advanced.

Up to +200MHz over normal max boost depending on CPU.

IIRC 7XX0X3D:s don't allow using that.
Only non-X3Ds.
And 9000:s allow it for both.

[night girder]

Have yet to find TDP in HWinfo lol.

[twin dew]

Full mode, CPU from the listing.

[night girder]

ah full mode.

[twin dew]

AMD AGESAs Overclocking PBO side, on Asus board:
Where that PBO Limits sets PPT, TDC and EDC.
Overdrive scalar sets that scalar
And Max CPU Boost Clock Override raises that PBO Max frequency.

And with Asus, those would still be all at stock, even with Advanced selected.
Would need to select that PBO limits to something else than auto to get raised limits etc.

Same with that base AMD menu on all MB makers.

AsRock was setting those TDC and EDC higher than other board makers, when PBO Limits was set to Motherboard.
All were setting insane PPT limits.

[night girder]

Checked both Auto and Disabled and HWINFO reports the same. With one 0.0001V difference 😛

[twin dew]

Which is runtime variance.

[night girder]

Exactly.

PBO scalar is still 1.00x

[tribal kraken]

Looks like the Telia wifi-call is now active. New icon on phone.

[twin dew]

So you haven't been hit by that specific AsRock issue with that 7800X3D.
But there were some other possible ones too.
Where same CPU didn't work on AsRock board anymore, but did work on other manufacturers boards etc.
At same time with that PBO issue burning out 9000-series CPUs.

[night girder]

On the bright side, Intel is going into the shitter. So maybe we get some good Intel CPU deals in the future. #copium

Then we just need to get Nvidia to lower their insane prices and I am all good to go in a year. Oh, if tarrif war doesn't explode.

The only thing I am keeping is probably the lian li case. It's nice. And only part I can trust I think.

[ivory rampart]

My 9800x3d is still running well with -20 offset.
Might try a higher offset soon

Temps still fairly high though

X3D just runs hot

[twin dew]

For 9000:s, no difference from non-X3Ds.
As the extra cache is now below the main CCD die.

But all current CPUs run hot, as the silicon area is so small, and bulk silicon is poor heat conductor.

[night girder]

well, I don't think it was temp issues for me. Because when it crashed, it was as good as iddle (was during the night I was sleeping).

[twin dew]

Not about your issues.
That was just comment to Umbranocturnal about "X3Ds just run hot", when it doesn't apply to 9000X3Ds.

Because of those switched layers from previous ones.

[tribal kraken]

My PC been fine when stopped worrying about if the games run 3D-cached CCD side of 9950X3D or not. Whichever is enough

Intel I225-V integrated 2.5Gbit Ethernet card on my Z690 Asus Hero motherboard gave me some trouble after upgrading to 2.5G Ubiquiti switch.. it can't keep up the 2.5G link, a known issue it seems. Everything was fine when it was 1.0G

[glossy glacier]

I hate the I225

[twin dew]

Yeah, Intel has made 4 or 5 silicon revisions so far, and still haven't gotten it right where i225/i226 works properly with all 2.5+Gbit/s switches.

[tribal kraken]

Not fun trying to run home server with it. And the disconnects were so random that it took me a while to see the relation to network speed upgrade

It could run Valheim 2 weeks, but then disconnect 10 minutes after player joined Terraria server, 3 times a row when rebooting in between

[twin dew]

I got i225 rev4, that works fine with my Zyxel switch in 2.5G mode.
And i226 rev1 is just i225 rev5, with rebranding to try to get away from that bad reputation.

But basically those are incompatible with lot of switch side transceivers for over 1Gbit/s speeds.
Where later revisions are better and more compatible, but not fully compatible.

Intel fucked up with that first revision so much that it used 1G ethernet timings from some stuff even on 2.5G, against the 2.5G spec.
Basically the people working on it forgot to check that it actually matched the 2.5G spec for some critical timing values, and just used what had been used before.

[thin trout]

Asrock boards have some kind of serious problem but it's not with PBO limits

the guy making that diagnosis is just the clueless guy that made a board which kills CPU in the first place

with the way that the CPU boost architecture is set up, it doesn't matter what you put in the power limits, other variables will constrain boost to safe values. AMD have confirmed on the record multiple times when there were other issues

[twin dew]

PBO was one of the things.
They used higher amperage limits with PBO on Motherboard limits, which was killing 9000-series CPUs.

[thin trout]

Alledgedly. I'm almost certain that's not actually the case.

Firstly it doesn't make sense given all of the other confirmed information and testing that we have about how the SMU's boosting works.

Secondly these were not enabled by default and CPU's still died there.

Thirdly CPU's kept dying at the same rate after they changed their PBO settings.

Fourthly, uncapped power limits on any non asrock board has a virtually 0% failure rate, several orders of magnitude lower than asrock's

[twin dew]

One part way active silicon gets damaged is momentary current flow related electromigration.

But yeah, I haven't kept up.
They did have RAM issues.
They had CPUs not working anymore on AsRock boards, but still working on other boards issues.
And then they had completely dead CPU issues.

[twin dew]

Like I said, not PPT, but TDC and EDC, which were higher by default on AsRock boards than other manufacturers.
Even when PPT was 1-4kW.

When PBO was on "Motherboard limits"

And any CPU that had been damaged by the current, would still die later, even with lower limits.

[thin trout]

It's basically just not possible for dangerous voltage/current/temps to be applied to the CPU. There are limits in the boost algo which cannot be changed via BIOS config, only firmware (AGESA). Some are locked in at the factory. There are also some that you can change, but shouldn't (pretty much only Scalar)

TDC EDC are not remotely an issue for safety and never have been, at worst they will give a green light for the CPU to boost and then it will hit another one of AMD's limits and not boost because of that. All conditions must be green simultaneously for boost to happen, and it's re-evaluated every 1ms.

[night girder]

I don't know anymore at this point.

[twin dew]

Too high currents were also part of the Intel fuckup.
As MB makers were disabling the current limiters.

It is one thing that can cause damage alone, even when voltage, power and temperature are all ok.

[night girder]

If I could provoke the crash consistently, I wouldn't be so frustrated with this issue.

[twin dew]

And point is that with very high current limit, you get instantaneous current spikes, which cause damage.

[night girder]

Because then I can swap out parts, or borrow em, and provoke the crash and see what happens.

But the thing is so random. Replacing the CPU made it "better". But it still crashes. Just less frequent.

[twin dew]

Even when rest of things are ok.
And AsRock had higher current limits than other MB makers.

[night girder]

Baldur said it's because of the hardware combination probably playing nice with eachother now.

[twin dew]

And they dropped them to same as others with those latest BIOSes, but any CPU that was in use with PBO before that change was done, is suspect and its death cannot be used.

[thin trout]

Intel doesn't have a boost controller anywhere near the level of sophistication as the one that AMD introduced in 2019 with Zen 2. Not even now, but especially not several gens in the past when they had their boosting voltage/current problems. Intel has no concept of a safety limiter, they exclusively used current and temperature limits in Raptor Lake.

AMD uses about 10 different limits, several of which you cannot override and will always prevent damage to the CPU even if the power limits are always all green.

[twin dew]

Because any damage accrued will continue to progress.

[twin dew]

I know, but AMD was part of that statement of too high current limits on AsRock boards with PBO MB limits causing damage.

[night girder]

In my case; we ruled out PBO.

[thin trout]

Not to my knowledge, but i may be wrong about that

[night girder]

I mean, I had been asking for when the auto = disable changed happened.

[thin trout]

auto=disabled was created in 2019 and has been there ever since. It's mandatory on every BIOS.

[night girder]

Still possible that I had a bios where auto = enabled. 🤷‍♂️ And that caused damage.

[twin dew]

Too high current alone CAN cause damage.
And even when other limits are low, you CAN get high bursts that do damage.

[night girder]

Ok, then I rule out PBO for me.

[thin trout]

There are several limits which are explicitly designed to prevent that, and they seem to work with 100% efficacy on every other motherboard with the same CPU samples.

[twin dew]

And like I said, all other MB makers had lower TDC and EDC limits when PBO was set to "MB mode".

[night girder]

Well, I had one CPU that was probably most likely 100% fried 🤣

But I suspect you are talking limits to when PBO is enabled.

[thin trout]

There are millions of people running very high or uncapped tdc/edc to the point where they don't hold back the CPU boost at all. Several CPU SKU's are configured such that TDC/EDC never limit the CPU, even at spec out of the box. They're not dying.

The absolute worst case as far as these configs go is that there is an interaction with something on asrock boards which is more prone to causing failure when at certain boost limits than it is when under other boost limits, but no limiter by itself is at fault or we would 1000% know about it from its effect on other motherboards. We've essentially disproven that beyond any reasonable doubt.

There's some other reason that they're failing 100x more often on Asrock even when hitting the same limiters.

My best guess is some kind of VRM configuration problem that briefly sends Vcore far above the VID, beyond the CPU's ability to compensate (it does do that to an extent).

That can cause cumulative damage or, if it's high enough, instant death.

I don't believe that it's specific to x3d either - as unlike prior gens, VID's used by the CPU are the same as standard CCD's rather than 200mv below. Most failed CPU's are x3d's, but so are most sold CPU's, which accounts for that. It was the same on the SOC failure which had nothing to do with the core chiplet, but most exploded CPU's were 7800x3d's - that's just because people didn't buy and overclock other CPU's. If 80% of people use an SKU and that's unrelated to the failure, it's expected to see 80% of the failures on it.

[night girder]

I could go for a new motherboard. If not that. A new PSU. And if not that. RAM. And if not that a GPU.

And then with all the spare parts, I build a 3rd PC. And give it away. With the caveat that it will crash 🤣

[visual tree]

Now I understand why my sister bought a power bank with a spy cam, thought she was being cheated by her husband at first lol

She wants to hire a nanny to babysit her son and look through the camera from time to time

She has to tell a nanny there are cameras around though because of GDPR (or not, idk)

[ivory rampart]

that sounds fishy

if she wants to look, she should get a camera that is easy to see and tell the nanny.
nothing hidden

idk about the legality, but i would not want to work in a place where there is a camera and i dont know where

[quasi citrus]

what does one do these days to get a working gaming computer? every company seems to have so many faulty product lines ^^
Sounds like we need databases which track problematic series and combinations so that when you buy 1y old hardware, that you have an increased chance of missing a few of those issues

[pure karma]

thats nerver going to happen since theres no old intel motherboards left

[night girder]

I have no clue. Maybe ditch PC's for gaming and go full console

Untill even consoles can't promise to be stable anymore out of the box 🤣

[visual tree]

Got a new heist for Letterdief: break into the monastery and obtain a crate of Westvleteren 12

Or I could buy a bottle of St. bernardus 12 for €4 and hope it's worth the money lol

[bronze jasper]

you hear about a lot of failures in social media because people don't generally talk about successes and youtubers don't signal boost the wins cause failures attract more views.

I've had boards show up with failures before and you just RMA them, it's easy. Consoles have the same problems. Sometimes you need to cash in the warranty for a replacement.

[quasi citrus]

true, if you know what is faulty from dedicated troubleshooting, you ususally can get replacements.

[dire igloo]

It's kinda ironic that tech social media works like this - everything else is the exact opposite.

Only show the good sides, only the wins. Never the failures

[bronze jasper]

it pervades a lot of media fields. i think gamers are drawn to disaster scenarios though

[dire igloo]

Eh, I'd say it's something else

Because news works the same way: people give their attention to things going wrong

[bronze jasper]

i know it was kinda just a gamer joke like, disasters make fun games

[dire igloo]

And also, happy people don't complain

[visual tree]

@dire igloo Just read Germany is ending solar panels subsidies and got surprised

First nuclear power plants and now solar panels 🤔

Hope production won't be moved to fossil fuels

[dire igloo]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[bronze jasper]

wind power is becomming a lot more of an option as bigger more efficient turbines are engineered

[dire igloo]

Fuuuuuuuck

[dire igloo]

I think our current government wants nuclear back, lol

[bronze jasper]

but it'll probably go towards fossile fuels agaiin. canada is super invested into liquid naturual gas again

[dire igloo]

Same fucks who decided to get rid of it in 2011

[dire igloo]

Gotta make use of that Nordstream 2 pipeline, cost us enough money already, time to make it back.

-# (do not mention the bombing or gambler's fallacy)

[visual tree]

Not sure if it's easy going back to nuclear power plants once you phase them out though

Never really understood that decision to shut down npp

[dire igloo]

Eh, the people in our current government never cared about easy or right

[dire igloo]

It's easy. Fukushima happened, people were scared, politicians bought into the scare while cashing in benefits from the fossil fuel lobby

Same lobby that propagated that fear

[visual tree]

I hate fossil fuel lobby. They are still strong and influence important decisions

[bronze jasper]

also, politicians take bribes from the fossil fuel lobby and it's easier to justify those bribed decisions when something big an scary like fuk just happened

disaster economics

[dire igloo]

Anyways, haven't heard about that, probably cuz I don't really follow the news.

Makes sense tho:

1. They want to cause a bigger ideological divide between them and the previous government (which had the Greens as one part)
2. We have cut solar subsidies in the past - German solar power industry used to be global leader in that field until like the late 2000s and early 2010s

[quasi citrus]

yeah. It is very idealised in some circles. Green Atomic Energy without any cons and without any costs if you ask specific circles ...

[visual tree]

Also read EU had solar panel installation decline in 2024 for the first time in decade

[dire igloo]

The only "issue" is making sure the waste doesn't do anything bad while it's fizzling out

[dire igloo]

iirc the latest EU parliament election in 2024 shifted it towards the political right.
So yeah, makes sense

[quasi citrus]

the liberal conservative influences in the last government and especially in this government make it less planable / profitable to go solar. Cities and local gov still have aims to cover large roof areas (of buildings in public hands) with solar over time, but as an average person it becomes less attractive

[dire igloo]

Do note that liberal in this context means economic liberal, not social liberals.
Important distinction cuz in the US it's the other way around

[quasi citrus]

when people ask Markus Söder where he wants the nuclear waste: Elsewhere, not in his area and not paid for by him 😛

[bronze jasper]

china is actually the only country leading the green energy drive. building mad amounts of solar wind and hydro. good for them. but also bad for them for a lot of other reasons like genocide

funny that china wouldn't sign onto the paris accord which promised temperatures wouldn't go up anymore, but eveyr country that did is just corruption incarnate and not doing anything to solve the problems. just empty platitudes

[dire igloo]

Yup, good ole "not in my backyard" logic.
Ironically, I've heard of villages that had a local wind park built where they get much cheaper electricity than standard rates from the national grid

[quasi citrus]

they got some good tempo, if they actually end their coal era when they plan to, it will be huge

[dire igloo]

China is the very same thing, lol
That's why they didn't sign

They're driving this technology forwards cuz it's so cost efficient - more money to make from it

[bronze jasper]

they're the only country stock piling solar panels faster than they can deploy them. every other solar project is just manufacturing just enough for the planned farms

[quasi citrus]

yep, smart move to make people complain less for the sake of complaining. I feel we are very good at that in germany. The complaining for the sake of it, not the making smart moves 😛

[dire igloo]

In a different light, China is flooding the market drowning out potential competitors and creating dependencies

[bronze jasper]

canada makes a ton of money from the oil industry and my politicians here signed it. the whole climate accord nonsense is just empty platitudes. kyoto accord was the same

[dire igloo]

The only thing that can stop a German from complaining is a monetary advantage

Hence why that village agreed to a local wind farm - they get super cheap electricity

[quasi citrus]

now we are talking about Nordfriesen or Schwaben? (I hope i correctly addressed the local prejudices)

[quasi citrus]

rightfully so imo

[dire igloo]

Other villages just built their own optical fiber network when they realized population shrinking - network companies didn't consider it profitable enough

But hey, let's privatize public infrastructure, it's good for the economy

[quasi citrus]

with a lot of stuff it is the question of how much is financial pressure of the oil industry pushing things a certain way.

[dire igloo]

Nordfriesen idk, Ostfriesen just don't like things to change.
Put a wind park there, give em some months to adjust and they'll defend it with every cell in their body.

Schwaben stereotypically just care about money - give em a financial incentive and they sign up for it

But I meant Germans in general, there are some traits we don't localize

[bronze jasper]

this cool new airplane is deployed now. worlds largest aircraft, specifically engineered to transport huge wind turbine blades around the world.

[dire igloo]

Imagine politicians didn't just take fossil money but went to renewables for counter offers

[bronze jasper]

the "wind runner"

[dire igloo]

Btw, it's kinda funny how things are evolving - the corruptest politicians become more and more green cuz automotive lobby and energy producers want more renewable energies cuz it makes em more money

[quasi citrus]

i'm surprised once more that air transport is better than local assembly of the blades

but it sure costs when going to far and through uneasy terrain

[quasi citrus]

it is a trend i could get behind for a few years ^^

[visual tree]

We had a protest in a close village nearby regarding solar panels but for a good reason. Some company wants to install a large solar panel installation on a fertile soil

[dire igloo]

Local assembly needs local assembly capabilities

[quasi citrus]

farm land that will just be a solar park is a debatable thing. It sure is more profitable to slap solar on it.

[dire igloo]

It's shit cuz the lobby doesn't actually want better infrastructure or shit like that, they primarily want deregulation

That and subsidies

But subsidies for themselves, not the people

[dire igloo]

I've seen a farm tech that used vertical solar panels between planting rows

[visual tree]

Yeah. There are a lot of other areas which have no fertile soil and they still decided to install those panels on fertile soil. That's why everyone is pissed

[bronze jasper]

the plane can land on semi prepared dirt runways too so it wont just be delivering to airports

[quasi citrus]

a town nearby didn't allow any wind turbines in the area until a relative of theirs wanted to have some on their land. that went through. He was not reelected afaik

[dire igloo]

Fancy stuff, seemed like a great compromise.
Farmers get more money with no significant downside to their yields and renewables are more widely implemented

[quasi citrus]

alternative on stands and animals under it in the half shade, but costs of having stand and maintenance on stands

[quasi citrus]

holy. neat.

[bronze jasper]

we'll likely see the solarization of urban landscapes more than agriculture. like panels on car parks and skyscrapers and solar friggin roadways! (lol jokes about that last bad idea)

[quasi citrus]

i mean if the energy is used to power a greenhouse agriculture farm, i would be ok with it ^^

[dire igloo]

Basically all farm buildings are already covered in solar, it's just worth it in the long run.
Agriculture is such a cutthroat business that you gotta save every cent you can

Hinter den Bergen bei den sieben Zwergen

German grammar rules are a bitch

[quasi citrus]

not sure what the numbers were on progress or progresss remaining (i read something recently) but covering existing flat roofs with solar will get us a good step in the right way

[dire igloo]

Tho some might say "über den Bergen"

[quasi citrus]

i'm living close to the Sieben Berge

got a few good hiking routes there 🤭

but we don't have dwarfs there

[dire igloo]

This stuff basically

[visual tree]

Aren't panels supposed to be tilted towards the sky for optimum production?

[dire igloo]

the only cats I know are of the "idk, found her somewhere and she's mine now" breed

[quasi citrus]

solar fences are becoming a thing

[dire igloo]

That's the point: it's not optimal, but still quite good.
And as a benefit, the farmland can still be used industrially

[quasi citrus]

you don't get full efficiency but you get less space requirements

in urban areas i would actually assume that vandalism might not be beneficial for solar fences but in general a great idea.

the next idiot with a grafitiy can or jealous neighbour that you parked to close to might have a stone nearby

[dire igloo]

The alternative are high mounts which are complicated and more expensive

[quasi citrus]

there are a lot of different concepts for it. i wasn't aware of the steel cable one

[dire igloo]

I wasn't either

But good luck to the maintenance guy

[quasi citrus]

maintenance does get more costly.

[dire igloo]

Give it some time and we'll grow cocoa in Spain

[quasi citrus]

we got the (edit: pesky) animals from the south already. Citrus fruits are already growing well. Can't be long anymore.

[dire igloo]

Especially in regards to time and complexity

[bronze jasper]

the ubercat will be created

[dire igloo]

Eh, cloning is boring, genetic modifications are the real shit

[bronze jasper]

they actually bread a tiger and a lion and made a liger. but it has so many problems like skeletal an stuff

[quasi citrus]

not even sure, i mean the fasteneing would be a bit more costly so that it is more maintenance friendly. You would need some maintenance lift and the operator for it. It feels like the double use (if the area is indeed used for something else) should outweigh the costs

[quasi citrus]

also it can't spell right 😛

[bronze jasper]

problem with cloning plant si that the genetic diversity means they're wide open to a parasite or a fungus attack. like, if it works on one plant than none of the other clones will have genetic protection against it. that's how bananas suffer

[quasi citrus]

i want my humans to grow treats in their hands, can that be geneticly arranged? please, i'm asking for a friend

[quasi citrus]

i always wondered why one does not have artificial genetic diversity for those genetic modified plants

[bronze jasper]

i think our methods of plant cloning haven't really allowed that control

we've been cloning plants since before we knew about dna

[quasi citrus]

to me it always sounded like a cost issue to not invest too much complexity in it

but modifying the vectors of fungal / bacterial / parasitical attack (if possible) sounds like a great way to lessen the sensitivity to those attacks

presumably too costly or not possible as easy as i imagine

[dire igloo]

Compared to just using vertical rows tho, not worth it.

There you send one tech out with a replacement panel and it's swapped in 2h tops.
Good luck doing that if you gotta bring a lift with you and extra safety equipment and whatnot.

Plus the opportunity cost for the maintenance company of not having the lift available for other clients

Genetic engineering is just targeted breeding in a more efficient and less cruel form

[bronze jasper]

there's things that can be done with genetic engineering that can't be done with selective breeding. implanting genes that were never there

[dire igloo]

Make a parasite that spreads anti-parisitic stuff.
They bio-engineered mosquitos to ingest a malaria vaccine when they sting

[dire igloo]

Anyways, the answer is simple:
If you allow for diversity, you have to still create a mechanism to protect the targeted modifications from being changed

[bronze jasper]

that seems a lot more cruel than selective breeding

[dire igloo]

You can still attempt that with cross-breeding.
The line becomes fuzzy anyway once you're looking at bacteria

[bronze jasper]

well they've done stuff like putting the gene of an arctic fish into tomatoes, giving the tomatos resistence to freezing

[dire igloo]

Genetic engineering if done right is more animal friendly than targeted breeding.

Hence why it should be legalized - create legal boundaries within which to operate.
Don't outlaw it, control it

[bronze jasper]

if you outlaw gene editing, only outlaws will gene edit

[dire igloo]

And any gene edit will be performed with completely unknown safety standards

[bronze jasper]

chickens don't even know what money is of course they're poor

evil is subjective. they dont even know what evil is

[dire igloo]

And if they make yeast or E.coli produce some protein or enzyme it wouldn't produce naturally, it's hard to say whether that's breeding or bioengineering

[bronze jasper]

chickens aint got no religion or ethics

[dire igloo]

This makes me wanna start the "money doesn't buy happiness" discussion - what does it mean to be rich?

[bronze jasper]

time machine. use it and go back to 1950, give yourself greys sports almanac from 2015, then you're rich

[dire igloo]

That last part I'm not sure about.
They might have societal rules given they usually don't live alone

[bronze jasper]

ez

[dire igloo]

But me having the Almanac might change the outcome of those games - also, wasn't it 1955?

Amen, that I will agree with

Who's in Canada?

[bronze jasper]

you just have to not tell anyone about the almanac ever. itd be weird if someone unrelated to the event placing a bet would affect the outcome. though there could be other butterfly effects

[dire igloo]

Me placing bets directly affects the payout rates.
Me being a now increasingly more rich member of society affects the people around me.
Butterfly effect, as you said

[bronze jasper]

So, Back to the Future's a bunch of bullshit?!

[dire igloo]

Not necessarily

It might've taken some time for the Almanac to become irrelevant and the owner of it could've ventured towards other money making opportunities

It could've been a seed from which everything else grew, not the entire plant itself

But it doesn't make sense how everything about the world changed but the Almanac retained its accuracy

A pamphlet of sport history, who won what where and how

[bronze jasper]

its a record of all sports events who won what and player statistics. it's a back to the future 2 reference

[bronze jasper]

also, this was an endgame reference and i'm sad that nobody said "i understood that reference"

[dire igloo]

Imagine you knew beforehand that Greece would win the 2004 Euros or that Leicester City would become Premier League champions in 2016

[dire igloo]

I watched it but didn't really remember any details.
I'd happily take BttF over "Alexa, invent time travel" tho

[bronze jasper]

people praise endgame writing for coming up with the mobius strip to describe time travel with no reprocautions, but stargate did it first. there's an episode called mobius where they go back in time to ancient egypt to do a time heist

[dire igloo]

Isn't there also some gigantic canal project that was continued recently after stagnation

[bronze jasper]

what? like, laser rays?

[pure karma]

https://tenor.com/view/lurk-lurking-cat-more-intense-gif-5948291758389915941

[dire igloo]

I like this kind of time travel
https://youtube.com/shorts/efROp-SRcHE

And my favorite kind of time travel paradox:
https://youtube.com/shorts/NU0WXNr00Lk
https://youtube.com/shorts/SP1oI148Oi4

[bronze jasper]

other problem wiith the stop time trope. even if you personally don't stop, inhaling air wouldn't work anymore

[soft bloom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yPy3DeMUyI
"that's it, that's the video. no, really."

[flint magnet]

Hi there im new to pc gaming, we'll new again i should say. Im dying to play satisfactory and planned to get it when it comes out on console but I went ahead and got it on steam and got my dinosaur of a computer out that my buddy and I built 10 years ago. I can start the game but I was wondering if anyone would be willing to help me polish this turd so its a little more enjoyable until I upgrading to a new pc or get a console version. Thanks in advance to anyone who offers help.

[pure karma]

im the dummy around here but im sure i can atleast help a bit to start off

obviously getting figuring whatever specs you have that you can would help the most

[flint magnet]

Thank you I didn't wanna bomb. The chat with a bug right off the bat but I will get you them thank you for helping a novice

[pure karma]

i dont know how advanced you are but obviously you can use stuff like the performance tab in task manager to see your CPU/GPU and ram capacity but if you want to see the full details for everything you'll need to install diffrent software

[safe trench]

https://tenor.com/view/arting-siamese-cat-gigachad-ambatukam-ambasing-gif-26293326

[pure karma]

something like OCCT which has a tab that shows everything down to the serial numbers

[flint magnet]

Motherboard is asus m5a97 r2.0
Processer is amd fx 6300 six core
8g ddr3 ram
Gpu XFX Radeon R9 285 Black Edition

[pure karma]

which would save you having to tear the system down for that stuff

[safe trench]

pretty much nothing lol

[pure karma]

acient system indeed

[safe trench]

that pc is an unc

[pure karma]

the ram wont be much of a problem

cause the speed maters fuck all when your this low end tbh

what im woried about is the upgrade paths on this platform

[flint magnet]

Like i said me and a buddy built it 10 years ago when he wanted to get into pc gaming it was over my head so I just went along with it and then never did anything with it

[pure karma]

i think you could probably limp along with the gpu as long as it has no driver issues with the newer features of the game obviously

but it defedently wont be a great experience

that cpu being a six core might not actually be half bad

[flint magnet]

I've already determined I am gonna have to start from scratch to get something to play like modern consoles just looking to try to make this usable as far as it won't crash when something pops in wile its auto saves lol

[pure karma]

like honestly if everything works fine id say just slap like a used gpu in it and maybe 16GB ram if you can get a good deal

[safe trench]

what is he gonna do with that amd fx?

[flint magnet]

Thank you, is there a way for me to clean up background programs something to make the pc run the game as primary function

[pure karma]

i mean its 6 cores 4.1GHZ its not that unreasonable if it still works ok

[safe trench]

many games wont support it i bet

[pure karma]

well yea that idk but it has the performance atleast

theres not many options with a platform this old other than a gpu slap job or a full rebuild

this reminds me that i still need to figure out a way to fit a HDD in my second pc that isent putting it on top of the gpu

[safe trench]

realisticly if you have like 600 dollars you can get a pc that performs far better than that

[pure karma]

i mean second hand yea

definitely

i wouldent go all new at that price tho

[flint magnet]

Yea ive looked into it a bit already and the motherboard doesn't support a lot of the new stuff so im gonna have to do a full build i am just tight on Money right now because I fucked my back up and had to have it fused in 3 spots so now ive got more time to game but no money to upgrade this dinosaur lol

[safe trench]

realisticly he could turn that pc into a nas

[pure karma]

yea but not everyone needs 100TB of storage they wont use lol

[flint magnet]

Into a nas? Whats that

[pure karma]

esentially just a home storage server

just a pc loaded with a bunch of drives

essentially

[flint magnet]

Got it, I was thinking of trying to make a dedicated server for games out of it so my kids could get some use out of it lol

[pure karma]

thats what i wanted to do with my old pc before i rebuilt it and now use it as a game streaming and whatever needs to run for more than 1 day rig

until i got introduced to the full time job that is port forwarding

[flint magnet]

Whats port forwarding

[safe trench]

what about for "linux isos"

[pure karma]

the stuff you have to do to make your server available to anyone that isent directly conected to your internet conection

[safe trench]

i mean he probably watches wan show so probably alot

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cigar-smoking-smoking-cat-cat-is-smoking-cigar-gif-8453696328432591931

[pure karma]

i finally updated my part list cause i kept forgetting what my second pc even had in it anymore

i forgot to mention it but yea im finally organised again

[safe trench]

is ai!1!!

[pure karma]

next to your X

iv been thinking about it and im going to be a broken man once these headphones inevitably break

cause if i get new headphones and they are worst im going to be forever disapointed

360$!!!????

that is insane

il stick to my 60$ knockoff keyboard for a little longer i think

idk i might go mechanical for my next keyboard just so i can build it for the experience

oh my keyboard is probably a joke to you then lol

my keyboard can be sumirised as : curved, minimal comfort, and very sharp metal on the edges that you cut yourself on if you move your mouse too close

lol

yea cause i know better that you need one sometimes

nerver need to run into the 60% keyboard problem of oh shid i dont have this key

[full tide]

no

[pure karma]

lubed up with finger oils and sweat like a true gaming keyboard

idk iv nerver needed aditional control on my keyboard

like the only thing id like is a stream deck like but that opens software instead

so esentially a physical taskbar

[safe trench]

it commmited eatid an abobr cide

i luv linux

[tough owl]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-another-one-one-more-time-gif-4816107

[bronze jasper]

that looks exactly like how steam looks on windows

oh wait. buttons are in a different spot. 🧠

[full tide]

i luv and learning windows 11

i have hyperx keyboard maxeek

[bronze jasper]

i didn't have to learn w11 at all. its nearly identical to 10 except it has tabbed terminal and explorers

i installed it and i was like "This is windows. I know this!"

[pure karma]

yea w11 is all cosmetic changes and ai bullshit

outside of the extra layer of menu's in explorer its the same mostly

[bronze jasper]

(low key j park reference there)

[bronze jasper]

the rightclick context menu? shift rightclick to go directly to the good one

[pure karma]

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

honestly i had no idea you could do that

[bronze jasper]

annd knowing is half the power

[flint magnet]

It plays 😆

[bronze jasper]

you need to complete hub upgrade 4

[pure karma]

The hub being orange by default has lead to way too many unhinged conversations

they knew what theywere doing

[bronze jasper]

orange you glad its not banana?

[soft bloom]

Yt randomly liek
"Hey you wanna know what is this geograpgic feature in barely inhabited region"
Me: ok
Yt video: tells about gigantic flood that recahed from Altai to the Black Sea levaing behind ripples of sand that created conditions for specific pine species to thrive

[bronze jasper]

i dont get it

momo? like avatar?

[pure karma]

typing sucks

i understand gen alpha now

im crashing out over a typing test

[safe trench]

no its not genus

[bronze jasper]

yeah the buttons are in a different spot. makes it better

*genius ||it helps to be correct when making such snarky remarks of one's intelligence||

[safe trench]

genuis*

[bronze jasper]

inb4 didn't read the spoiler

linux users: "I'm never wrong!"
also linux users:

[safe trench]

where did you get this from

[bronze jasper]

when linus tech tips did a linux gaming episode

[safe trench]

linuth tech tipth*

[bronze jasper]

he tried installing steam and it uninstalled his shell

[safe trench]

people who watch wan show (me) know litterally everything about linus and luke lol

[safe trench]

top 10 genuis terminals

[bronze jasper]

no i mean the whole desktop environment

[safe trench]

yes i know i can tell

[bronze jasper]

people tried blaming him for not reading the instructions, but how else was he supposed to install steam? it was 100% pop os distro team's fault imo

[safe trench]

blame the player not the game lol

[bronze jasper]

installing steam shouldn't uninstall the entire desktop

[safe trench]

oh i thought it should

[bronze jasper]

linux users ™

[safe trench]

ie: off-topic-tech users

[bronze jasper]

™

[soft bloom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqVi_vmCCAA
so, hm, urban planning
funny, I am not defending the quality of actual appartment buildings by any means. I lived in few of them, and really say that there are many problems with buildings of that era.
so, no "insanely well".
but, the planning of micro districts - that does seem like a thing that many people need, should try.
that topic find its way into my information bubble couple years ago with examples from Barcelona.
and from personal experience, it is indeed good to at least have an option to shop, walk, rest, get work, get treatment, get help within 10-20 minutes of just walking.
and mixing of communities is a great way to create conditions for communities. after all, universities/colleges work in similar way with their own dormitories.

[safe trench]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eIxUuuJX7Y&list=PLf8qfSvZiyEtYohluc-OsqKkXS8ByU6Aw&index=13

[bronze jasper]

only problem is the engineered famine

[soft bloom]

I grew up in probably one of the most planned out microdistricts around.
probably because it was built on top of previously largely uninhabited soil.
nearest road has traffic similar to what you see in american suburban - aka 2 cars at most at all times with long periods of it being completely empty. aka children-friendly
there's something very comforting in having large common playground that is overlooked not by 1, but 2 9-story tall buildings, having multiple dog-walking green places in 2 minutes walk, together with a school and kindergarden.
and if you want some good time, you can walk 10 minutes along that road, in a loose company of kinda-neighbours, via an allay with 2 (!) broadwalks on each side of the road (seriously, I know it takes a lot of space, but it's such a great thing - it's a perfect balance between having a private walking space thanks to ability choose not just side in respect to the car road, or lane on a broadwalk, but even whole other broadwalk if you for some reason don't want to share it with others or ride a bycicle, and at the same time you perfectly can treat it as public space, move in large group of 3-4 people without completely obstructing movement, or comfortably slowly walk with a trolley... it's just incredible), and reach a decent park, or a bit less polished forest.
one of the things, that I don't see present in images I saw online, inlcuding those videos on the topic - is nice space between road, broadwalk, and housing. aka public green space, with trees and bushes. it was lacking in western regions too, probably because cities and villages there are much smaller in size.I mean not just a thing 0.5m lane, but something wider, like 1, 1.5m meters that separetes broadwalk from the car road's side (often parking lane), and after that, additional 4-6m to the actual housing. that green area (well, except in early summer when comunal services cut it down and sun scorches it...) is just essential

[soft bloom]

yeah so the thing is that nobody here advocates for "let's bing ussr back"
just placing this kind of urban planning on a spectrum between american dream and Tokyo
it's probably leaning more to the urban stuff then what Barcelona does,because of larger size of districts and more autonomy (don't see how small ones could accomodate schools, clinics etc)

truth is, there's probably no universal solution
culture will impact what is "optimal" for every usecase as well
but if there's a toolbox of successful cases with recorded nuances - then at least someone could pitch an idea of how to make next city expansion better

and we might need lots of expanding due to climate being hungry for new territory

[pure karma]

https://tenor.com/view/xjamesmykil-jamesmykilx-what-he-said-jamesmykil-what-he-said-gif-6951058082557312527

You literally broke my discord 💀

[bronze jasper]

couple years ago , discussion of a "15 minute neighborhood" began in canada, where the goal was to have neighborhoods where everything you needed was within a 15min drive and you'd never HAVE to go further.

That blew up into conspiracy theories about the government limiting travel and no developer wants to touch the idea now because of how popular the conspiracy theories got and how many people believed.

ctvnews.ca/climate-and-environment/article/how-15-minute-cities-turned-into-an-international-conspiracy-theory/

[soft bloom]

yeah well, having an option to have most needs satisfied doesn't mean that you area limited to just that.
it's like saying that having calculator in your smartphone robs you of rights to go use Wolfram Alpha ona desktop

also, classic way of stopping any movement - ssociate it with something bad: sect, political opponent, conspiracy... everything goes. just need to make it something that gets flagged as "I don't want to deal with it" without any second thought.

idea is to create environment where winning strategy is to not question further and just agree with whatever you heard first.
flood with noise, make it hard to investigate, proove that it's better to trust with 1-2 loud examples where something seemed dodgy but turned out to be what your authority claimed from the getgo

[bronze jasper]

the true conspiracy is that conspiracy theories are planned disinformation campaigns

[soft bloom]

some are

it's like spices: some dishes would ruined by it, others cannot be imagined without, and some have just decent amount, or even optional
question only is: what meal did you order?

[safe trench]

can checkit just fuck itself?

it will delete every link on the surface of the universe

[twin dew]

Cannot run Satisfactory, that CPU is missing some of the necessary instruction sets.

[glossy glacier]

Yeah, that thing is so old an entire new system would be better than any upgrade

[twin dew]

MB cannot take any upgrade that would run Satisfactory, so MB and CPU at minimum, and would need to switch to some Intel DDR3 MB and CPU.

And GPU could only run the game on DX11, which is depricated in the game, and too little VRAM even for low textures, so random textures would be autodowngraded to just smears.

[flint magnet]

@twin dew @glossy glacier It runs its just not as polished

[twin dew]

Ah, sorry, it was the Phenom II and older that didn't work at all, not Bulldozer based ones.

[flint magnet]

Been playing all night, only getting 36 to 28 fps and everything is set to low but shes running lol

[dire igloo]

Related to yesterday's discussion:
https://youtube.com/shorts/m49ddPT-_3Y

Will come later

Maybe

Might also just not come, who knows?

Nah

[visual tree]

If you think Deutsche Bahn is bad, wait till you meet Croatian railways

They accomplished the impossible: they reconstructed the railways but the travel time has increased

Nobody in the world has ever achieved such a thing

I suffered 2 years of constant delays believing travel will be much better after reconstruction is finished. Boy, was I wrong....

If you wanted to travel to another more distant city, taking a bus is literally cheaper and faster than train

Travel time is 2 hours while if you took the train, travel time would be 8 hours 💀

and you get working Wi-Fi in buses. Wi-Fi rarely works in trains

Recently read some theory you are probably not going to like even though I am not sure if the theory is correct

Apparently, people in the world have gone crazy because of a cat parasite called Toxoplasmosis

[tribal kraken]

Wifi itself usually ok. But the problem is the mobile 4/5G from moving train

[visual tree]

Good news, there is no solid proof for that theory yet 😅 : www.science.org/content/article/reality-check-can-cat-poop-cause-mental-illness

[twin dew]

Works fine if properly installed.
And the WiFi at Finnish trains is properly installed.

[visual tree]

That explains everything, "properly installed" and Croatian railways never go together

[twin dew]

And yes, the next link from train to mobile base stations has same limitations as using from car etc.
Needs to be in range and not blocked by terrain etc.

[visual tree]

Also, I should use my mobile data instead since public Wi-Fi is a huge security risk

[tribal kraken]

My usual train trip in Finland is from here to 500km south to Helsinki. There are spots on that route the train provided Internet/wifi works for web browsing but ie. YouTube video won't work.

[visual tree]

Wi-Fi on buses is surprisingly good though

[tribal kraken]

Speed is a factor. 80km/h bus is easier for signal processing than 150km/h train

[visual tree]

Bold of you to assume our trains go 150 km/h 🤣

[twin dew]

But often that won't work from inside the metal tube acting as faraday cage.
And need to remember that in general with WiFi, connection, you are sharing the WiFi and the mobile connection onwards with many other people.
So the limitation might just be the mobile connection speed being shared.

[twin dew]

Not for the WiFi section, as that is trivial in comparison to speed of light, and the two connection points aren't moving relative to each other.
And mobile side is taking it into account, and works fine to much higher speeds.

[tribal kraken]

Rare spots in Finland too to reach that

[visual tree]

We reconstructed the railways here to capital city and increased max speed to 120 km/h but the trains still drive half that speed

Maybe they are wating for December when timetable will be updated according to the max speed

There is a very short distance between train stops. That's why the speed limit is 120 km/h

More than that would make no sense

[tribal kraken]

Pendolinos in Finland were 220 km/h max but so little track section where they could operate that

The normal Siemens Intercity ones top 160km/h

[visual tree]

Somewhere even less

[tribal kraken]

We do..

And rest of east Europe professional

This was Bulgarian driver using navigator trying to pickup stuff from our workshop.. took a wrong turn and sank the 60t loaded truck on soft road dead end. My wheelloader was no help..

[glossy glacier]

Recently drove by train, hit 260kmh once downhill
240-250 on its own
We were actually early by 20-30min twice
But 40min late at my destination

[visual tree]

We have a problematic road here in my town where there is a clear warning sign that larger trucks are not allowed to enter it but many trucks still do. The trucks ended up scratching the road sign or taking it down completely when turning into the street like 10 times by now

[mental oriole]

My hatred for u-boot grows yet again.

[glossy glacier]

Why this time?

[visual tree]

Give him a code which is to be tested in production at exactly 17:00 hours

And make sure to turn off your phone so nobody can call you

[mental oriole]

Upgraded from 2022 to 2024.2 ( we got new fpga upgraded to that version) so we have updated the entire toolchain, yet u-boot with defaults does not start. (All other things) (fsbl, pmufw, bl31, dtb, bitstream) is 2024.2 and they work with the old u-boot, but not new ( so the orher stuff works)

@glossy glacier

[tribal kraken]

Towing company spent 6 hours to reverse pull that out there. And they were not gentle. But really no other option on dead end for that type "b-link" of a truck.

[visual tree]

Is that the tow truck that's been damaged or the loaded truck?

[tribal kraken]

Loaded truck trailer rear end

[visual tree]

Oh

[tribal kraken]

Those trailers really are not designed to be towed like that

[visual tree]

Well, their problem for trusting GPS too much lol

[tribal kraken]

Yes.

Should have gone straight to where wheelloader is but took right turn...

[visual tree]

Fun fact is that metal part is probably going to be cheaper to replace than me buying a new AC compressor for my car lol

The car is no longer cooling and the AC makes a weird noise when turned on. Either the compressor is bad or I need freon refill

Ouch, almost €400 just for the compressor if that's the problem:

At this point, owning a car is simply throwing away money into a bottomless pit

[glossy glacier]

Gas, maintenance, repairs, insurance
Yeah, cars need a lot of money

[visual tree]

I only use a car to park it in a train station and don't consume much fuel. Insurance costs me more than the fuel lol

[tribal kraken]

My 1998 Camry failed inspection for rust damaged rear subframe. Ordered one from USA. Base price $270. With shipping and taxes 500€ in Finland.

Car is worth maybe 2k running condition

But decided to keep it going

I'm Soo rural area that there is no public transport. Nearest shop is 10km

[visual tree]

Mine is worth around €4000 but I am wasting so much money on it atm

[tribal kraken]

Vehicles need care and maintenance. Just sitting here in garage doing 100h/6500km maintenance to my 2-stroke dirt bike. Registerted enduro so I do much of my commute with it summertime. It's 2023 TE300 Husqvarna.

Daytime nap so they can be active night

[visual tree]

My cat got choked to death by a rougue german shepherd long time ago 🙁

[maiden coyote]

you've got an ac issue?

[visual tree]

Yeah, not sure if compressor is dead or I just need to refill freon

Will have to bring it to a mechanic one day

[maiden coyote]

what are your pressures? high, low, and ambient temperature... alternatively... temperatures on the compressor discharge, suction, and condenser and vent temp would be fine too..

I'd ask if it's 134a or 1234yf.. but they're so close It doesn't matter xD

and I guess the obvious does the compressor clutch engage?

[visual tree]

Not sure tbh. Just noticed few months ago AC won't cool the car even if I set AC to 17 degrees celsius

And recently, it started making a weird noise when turned on

[maiden coyote]

noise is no good... you'll have to put a set of gauges on it. if you're going to send me pictures, send 2. one without the car being started for ~12 hours or so.. first thing in the morning with the ambiant temp.. then start the car and turn it on and send a picture after it's been running with the ac on high for ~1 min

if it's low, you've got a leak. the rubber orings where the hoses connect to the compressor, condenser, expansion valve, love to start leaking.

[twin dew]

That is the point of taking it to a mechanic.
Because most people don't have the necessary equipment to test anything related, expect to see if the clutch works or not.

[maiden coyote]

that or find a local hvac guy. xD

[twin dew]

You didn't even bother specifying what "gauges". Pressure? Temperature? Something else?
And attaching pressure gauges to AC system is good way to lose all of the operating fluid/gas anyways during the process.

[visual tree]

I need to bring it to a local mechanic in 2 months anyways to replace fuel filter and oil, might as well ask him to check AC while at it

[maiden coyote]

you can tell a lot about a system by just using a temp gun.. that's normally what I do before I hook gauges.

[maiden coyote]

the only gauges that you can attach to an automotive ac system..

unless you've got pre r134a vehicle that uses r12, they have special quick connects.

[twin dew]

Yeah, but when the point is that it isn't cooling, and now makes noise.
Either it is empty, or it was empty and running it empty caused the compressor to fail too, as the lubricant is run in the operating fluid.

[maiden coyote]

if it's empty, the pressure switch won't allow the compressor to kick on.

[twin dew]

Which can fail, and isn't checked ever, normally.

[maiden coyote]

I've never seen one fail like that.

I've seen several fail where they're rapidly cycling the clutch, or not kicking on at all. it's not impossible.

[maiden coyote]

if you're concerned about losing refrigerant.. pull a vacuum on your gauges first, and charge them with refrigerant, that way there's minimal transfer between the system and manifold when you connect to it, and if you connect the high side, shut the system off with the gauges connected and let it equalize before disconnecting.

[twin dew]

Point was just that those pressure sensor systems can, in very small number of cases, fail in state that says "pressure ok", even when it isn't.
And that cannot be detected for sensor internal failure, except when the system is known to be in low pressure state, and the sensor still reads as pressure ok.
Rest of the circuit can be tested when the plug is disconnected from the sensor.

[maiden coyote]

Very very small numbers. The switches are sealed because they operate under pressure, and refigerant is a dialectic so they don't really suffer arc wear. So my point was mostly from experience that when they fail they fail open. Modern cars also have high and low sensors

[twin dew]

And in this case the car is pretty old.
And IIRC some very stupid car designs had the sensor even where open is "all is ok"...

[maiden coyote]

The design spec for the low side is closed from something like 20-150 psi

At least on my old ass truck

[twin dew]

So no, not very likely to fail so the compressor can run, but not impossible.

[maiden coyote]

If it's open then the compressor clutch won't engage. If you suspect that, put gauges and bypass

Not impossible no, I'm not arguing that at all, it's the thing you suspect when the system is charged but the compressor won't engage

And for @visual tree if the compressor is already making noise, it's already too late.. running it to troubleshoot isn't going to do any more damage

[twin dew]

Which is the more common failure type, where it fails open in system where closed is ok.
But point was that there AFAIK have been few car models where the logic was switched for some braindead reason.
And also those less likely cases where it can fail always closed, allowing the compressor to run with low/no pressure in the system.

[maiden coyote]

Because if the compressor is gone.. it's already blown shit through the whole system... so new expansion valve, new condenser, new filter drier and accumulator and evaporator flush

Shaft driven compressors like to leak at the seal if they're not used once a month.. and when they fail they blow a load of metal shaving into the entire system

[maiden coyote]

Because cat

[soft bloom]

https://youtu.be/q8krWJcPFQY?si=DMt7H8tSZQgY0j__
that is a really interesting piece of Earth science
nuclear reaction happening inside, naturally
although, afair there's a similar finding in North America

[bronze jasper]

#off-topic-low-tech

[maiden coyote]

Can we use it for powa?

I read about using refigerants in a rankine cycle generator to spin a turbine to heat power from stuff at lower temperatures than a boiler

[bronze jasper]

video said about 1000 lightbulbs if we were there billions of years ago