off-topic-tech

[dire igloo]

It's why I try to get noise normalized data from a trusted third party

[feral drift]

I know there is a ton of factors playing in on noice level ect. such as quality of bearing, fan blade design ect.

but meassuring dB is something I would expect to be somewhat same method across manufactors..

[dire igloo]

It's not

Also, as I explained:
Noctua fan is louder and moves more air.
If you slow it down so it moves the same amount of air as Thermalright, which one would be louder?

[feral drift]

But I do get your point - get a good trusted review channel, that uses the same method/equipment to meassure the noice level, regardless of product

[dire igloo]

All the stuff you said is meaningless if you have noise normalized data

Noise normalized means "at same dBA, which one moves more air"

[feral drift]

Well this is why I said there was a good explanation to why Noctua would be louder..

Never the less, if the lesser speed from ThermalRIGHT is still enough to hold the system cooled - then you should be golden

[karmic socket]

My f'ed up PC Story - Part 3
So today I used my old mobo/cpu along with a fresh install of windows 8.1 (yes, you read that right) to test both my gfx card. Both are working fine at Gen 3 (mobo limitation) x16.
Contacted my local shop about RMA policy : these guys were fucking clueless about the intel 13th gen debacle. Asked me to bring my PC in. Yeah sure, i'm gonna bring a mid-tower via subway.

[languid gulch]

i'm allergic to thermaltake after the caselabs lawsuit

[karmic socket]

Contacted Intel support : after about an hour of chat (descriptions, questions, product info, basic testing), that ended with them "contacting me in 1-2 biz days"? I decided to put my pc back together

[languid gulch]

charge them for express shipping 😛

[karmic socket]

haha, I wish, I don't even know if they gonna accept the RMA

Anyway guess what, it's working "fine". I'm literally using it right now to write this.

48 hours ago, it went poof and refused to boot at all, then it limped on, and today it both refused to worked when it literally mattered, and started working fine 30 minutes after that

I have no idea whats going on

[languid gulch]

the good news is that if it is the cpu, there's a 5 year RMA for it

[karmic socket]

yeah !

That said, the scientific in me would like to know the root cause of these shenanigans

I mean Internet gremlins or Space Hamsters, but tell me what happened

[languid gulch]

might also just be windows 8 not playing nice with way newer hardware

[karmic socket]

oh no no, I have windows 10

its my old pc that's windows 8.1

[languid gulch]

ah

[karmic socket]

my old mobo doesn't all to boot via USB, so I had to use my ODD

[languid gulch]

have you checked documentation to see if it's able to boot from usb?

[karmic socket]

doesn't allow*

it doesn't even detect my USB drive in the bios

[languid gulch]

oh ok so you knew that already

oh, that's different

[karmic socket]

yeah, glad I kep that old pile of useful junk

[languid gulch]

yea, this sounds like a fun one 🤣

[karmic socket]

like my old mobo was sitting in an open card board, with the cpu and heatsink/rad still mounted

how many of you owuld do that ?

[languid gulch]

depends on what the hardware is

i split up my old pc and gave my parents a triple upgrade

mom got a new mobo/cpu from me, upgraded gpu from dad's pc, dad got a bigger gpu from me, and then i took their old components and built a new/old living room pc for them

[karmic socket]

nice !

[thin trout]

root root cause is very complicated and NDA'd specifics of the cpu design/manufacturing

but tl;dr: some shit is supposed to run at X frequency with Y voltage, and it just doesn't any more (particularly in certain conditions like hotter temperatures)

it probably still works fine at X*0.9 frequency, at least for a while

these guys were fucking clueless about the intel 13th gen debacle
you'd have to be reaaaally incompetent to be a hardware worker in 2025 and not know about that, it's one of the biggest stories of the last few decades and directly affects the stuff that you are working with or selling/supporting. Probably over a dozen of my news sources have covered it, many in great depth, and i saw it happening firsthand before that (although i couldn't have imagined the scope of the problem, i mostly thought that it was automatic overclocks like XMP causing it at first - but no, it became clear that it was happening everywhere and with cpu's that never ran out of spec)

[karmic socket]

I don't think I've seen any mainstream news talking about it here (France). Tech sites yeah, but I guess these guys are just here to sell and not to give any advice.

[languid gulch]

oh yea tech retailers are not necessarily "tech people". they're there to sell you stuff, not know what they're selling 🤣

[thin trout]

"AMD Is In the Rear-View Mirror"

• Pat Gelsinger, Intel CEO

"Intel CEO’s Comments of AMD ‘in the Rearview Mirror’ May Indicate Intel is Driving Backwards"

• Areej Syed, Hardwaretimes

Haha

[glossy glacier]

you mean the intel defect?

[dire igloo]

malloc but voltage

[karmic socket]

I meant more like why my pc behaved like that working, not working, working a little, not working, working fine

[pure karma]

riddle me this

if your charger randomly conects and disconects while your charging why is it doing so?

cause the wire has been damaged by itself

now answer your own question

[thin trout]

Mostly just changing conditions - being at a different point on the voltage/frequency curve (some may work while others don't), different temperature, different voltage due to effects like vdroop

with a working cpu, all conditions are stable. As they break, more conditions become unstable (and more severely so)

[karmic socket]

yeah but temps were hotter today than the last 48 hours and I didn't change anything...

[karmic socket]

I mean to answer to this

[pure karma]

more resistance, difrent power, diffrent voltages, changes in behavior from it trying to adapt how it operates to fix itself and so on

[sharp matrix]

These comments apu aged very well💀

If anything AMD as a company has never been in a stronger position than it is right now, well on the cpu side, obviously gpu side leaves some work, mainly AMD isnt competing on the high end, and gpu for mobile is mostly not existing also

But still overall AMD as whole is certainly offering intel alot of competition and then some

[charred relic]

Personally I'm ok with them not competing at the highest end, but I also don't spend that kind of money. Past a point you get rapidly diminished value for every dollar more spent.

Also how big is the market for those super expensive cards...

I know almost the exact breakaway point with some things like microphones, if you are spending more than 400 you have a special need or just money to burn.

100 to 400 is a substantial jump, 400 vs 1200 is.. very little

[pure karma]

4X vs 3X isent exactly a big difference but yea

[soft bloom]

Sure
10x is alway just 10x difference
Be it from 1 cent to 10cents, or 1 million against 100 000 usd
It's all the same 10x

[pure karma]

its all about perspective

[languid gulch]

yea, taxes would disagree with that

[charred relic]

100 to 400 in the world of microphones is a big difference, which is the whole point

that is where the real diminished gains start

and you can hardly compare spending 400 to 1200 just saying only 3x

I mean I guess I'm gladd that 8 hundo is no big deal for ya, it is for most folks.

those microphones don't sell as well as they do because they're basically the same...

you know that...right?

If so everyone would ust go spend about 100...

Also unless it's a specialty case you can't compare them in a regular room, neither will sound good. It has to be at least fairly decently treated for sound.

In some cases the better microphone will sound worse becaus eit's picking up more reflections

[soft bloom]

world of soud is a lot of experience in niche cases

unlike light, that is quick, aka we don't register echoes (or try to communicate much by changing it)
sound is complicated with noticable delay and mostly alldirectional propagation

[languid gulch]

i'll stick to my occasional use of my cheap ass headset mic

for free

[pure karma]

Yeeepp same here

although i have made a recent development that i like to call “flipped over desk” to reduce eco

[verbal raft]

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[dire igloo]

Go ask a photographer about the complexity of good lighting, you'd be surprised.
Also: reflections still exist and they're still distracting, they're just instant

[jagged snow]

I'm a photographer, can confirm

I've been shooting as a hobby and a side gig for multiple years now and am so incredibly far from even understanding it all the way, much less mastering it

[thin trout]

Light has all kinds of quirky shit going on

especially when you get to stuff like different wavelengths of light being absorbed differently by different materials, so the percieved color and brightness shift as it passes through materials based on their effect, density and size

e.g. shader i worked on.

^Note the dynamic color shift based on how much water is between the camera and the ground. The water is white at zero depth and dark blue to black with high depths with an exponential falloff of 3 color channels in between, which is quite a simplified implementation. To get photorealism you need to simulate many more wavelengths (there's effectively a near-infinite number IRL) and get stuff like the falloff rate and depth exactly right.

The absorption of each wavelength of light also differs wildly with e.g. multiple blended materials and different characteristics (so e.g. water with silt in it will be very different to clear water).

We literally use measurements of this to identify the chemical constituents of the atmosphere of planets which are light years away, but between us and a measurable light source like their star.

[pure karma]

been testing bazzite a smidge and actually exclusively using it for like 3 days now its been working fine this time around

although the 25% performance loss probably from lack of arc support is a bit rough

[glossy glacier]

whats the name of the system monitor?

[pure karma]

Mission center

esentially just knockoff task manager

[glossy glacier]

thx

[willow pike]

careful, fedora wants to kill 32bit support, which would kill steam support and bazzite as a whole

[thin trout]

why is steam/bazzite 32 bit

The first commercially available 64-bit operating system for personal computers was Windows XP Professional x64 Edition, released in April 2005. This version was specifically designed for processors utilizing the x86-64 (or AMD64) architecture. While there were earlier 64-bit versions of Windows for other architectures like Itanium, XP Professional x64 was the first to gain widespread adoption for mainstream desktop and workstation use. Microsoft later released a 64-bit version of Windows Vista in 2006, which became the standard for newer PCs.

[pure karma]

sicne when is steam 32 bit lol

[twin dew]

Valve has never updated it to be 64 bit, either on Linux or Windows, yet.

Overlay has 64bit version on Windows.

[willow pike]

steam.exe is 32bit, as are many steam games

valve are completely unwilling to drop 32bit support as this would nuke thousands of games people have bought and paid for

when Ubuntu wanted to drop 32bit support, valve said they would drop Ubuntu support, so Ubuntu backed down

fedora would suffer the same fate

[pure karma]

loads of games have dropped 32bit as of recently tho

and those work fine here

[willow pike]

lots of games are 32bit that will never be updated again

[pure karma]

then why not do both 🤷‍♂️

[willow pike]

tell that to fedora, they don't wanna put the work in to support 32bit

"some things will break but that's not our problem"

fallout new vegas is 32bit

[jagged snow]

Very cool

https://youtu.be/zFiubdrJqqI?si=macEN0KdYpMAzOWQ

[twin dew]

AFAIK much longer range with directional mics, but that of course has latency issue.

All the various versions that were used from WW1 to WW2 for early warning with human listeners.

Examples:
https://www.thevintagenews.com/2016/01/27/vintage-sound-locators/

[jagged snow]

Not about the jets specifically

Its a cool technique for image clarity improvement and sharpening as well as motion detection from an array of cameras or images from multiple locations using voxel projection

[soft bloom]

they are just instant
well that's the thing, it will get created and go away. it won't set up a chain of consequences that lasts for seconds.

[dire igloo]

Except when you're a photographer and have to constantly adjust the settings and the scene so you don't have these annoying reflections

[soft bloom]

concept of echo is irrelevant in photography.
in audio it exists thanks to delay.
in visuals, even if you were to communicate through sequence of alternating light & colors, their echo would dissipate quickly, not impacting your ability to recognise pattern

[dire igloo]

The only reason echo is an issue in audio recording is because it means you're recording stuff you don't want to be recording.
Reason being environmental influences that introduce additional information that's being picked up by the recording device.

Reflections in photography are nothing different.

Also: reflections and diffraction absolutely do impact optical signal transmission

[verbal raft]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eBE0MDzFU5E

[feral drift]

Feels like the Nvidia driver just goes..

FPS = FPS * 2

[warm jay]

I hope it’s not a mandatory thing

[verbal raft]

if it was id be constantly mocking NVIDIA for it

[verbal raft]

except it doesnt
and its probably more like fps x 1.75

[pure karma]

aint no way my headphones just exploded

ok no there fine

its just linux trying to bust my eardrums with static

[tired thorn]

I've been having this issue for the past like day or two where some games will have this screen flickering effect, either the taskbar flickers if they're fullscreen or the game window flickers if they're windowed. Does anyone have any idea how to fix this? I've already tried updating drivers.

[pure karma]

this screams too low cpu voltage or gpu failure to me

cause too low cpu voltage on laptops generally results in returnings of parts of previous frames for whatever reasson

like mine does that too sometimes the text bar on discord will freeze on the display side but everything else will keep updating

also i feel bad for doing such aggressive OC with such little air flow 😅

[tired thorn]

how would i fix that?

[pure karma]

on a laptop? either get lucky on the performance presets or dont unfortunately

[tired thorn]

fuck

but how is dying light 1 straining my laptop less than caves of qud

even in the main menu

[pure karma]

i love how the temperature range suposedly for the B580 is -273.1C - 65261.8C

acording to the sensor

[thin trout]

I just use it for CPU bound stuff, full 2x there

it actually leapfrogged afmf but i hear their v2.1 is a lot better and similar

Basically: anything GPU bound we can just turn settings down. CPU bound like say Satisfactory or WoW, we can't do that

it's most useful there

[pure karma]

also rip setup

i finally took it all down

[verbal raft]

Most modern games already have in game FG. Which is just simply better though..
So i don't think its a very useful feature

[pure karma]

dosent mean it cant be usefull

[verbal raft]

The last time i saw SM it was very rough, it looked awefull

[verbal raft]

It can be, its just not as important as other features

[pure karma]

having a playable experience on laptops is a fairly big feature in my opinion

[verbal raft]

Its not performance, and games where you struggle to get decent performance probably already have built in FG which is just simply better

[thin trout]

Most, but not all. WoW doesn't have FG, and benefits enormously from the driver ver.

[verbal raft]

Well, yes, but WoW really was not on my list of modern games

For old/legacy games it sure is nice

[thin trout]

i would not call it legacy, it has huge revenue and regular updates. It's the best of its genre.

[pure karma]

ok boomer 💀

[thin trout]

Milennials are 29-44

[pure karma]

yea but that sounds lame

[thin trout]

I'm borderline gen z and was playing that thing 20 years ago.

they pretty much rewrote everything though

[verbal raft]

It just came out a really long time ago, way before turing even 🤷‍♂️

[pure karma]

its old in the context of games really

and anyone under the age of 30 has defedently nerver played it

[thin trout]

It's still a really demanding game, they do more demanding stuff over time even if you can run at 800fps in old content.

It's a dx12 game with reflex

and raytracing 😛

[verbal raft]

Wait WAT

[thin trout]

Calling it old is kind of like calling call of duty old, like yeah, but the version that they released a month ago isn't

[pure karma]

then riddle my why the entire game is still in 144P

[verbal raft]

Since when, and WHY

[thin trout]

since 2020, and because it makes graphics better

[verbal raft]

Do they have like PT or somethin' ?

[thin trout]

it's mainly used for shadows

their shadows are a lot better than Satisfactory's

[pure karma]

well thats not that hard to beat

[verbal raft]

if only CSS used the features UE 5 gave them...

[thin trout]

yeah i don't really get why we don't have RT lighting, GI, shadows on Satis. Huge payoff and relatively easy to do with ue5

[pure karma]

also the new steam overlay is cool ig

[verbal raft]

Tbh, even RDNA 2 can run that, but it also isn't very impactfull usually

[thin trout]

It is quite impactful for WoW cause it affects how and where shadows are soft vs sharp etc, and lets shadows get cast from 2 kilometers away

i don't use it most of the time though because it affects cpu fps and that's precious for hard content

[verbal raft]

SF cant do HW RT BC there are too many objects in any given world..
And for shadows, you are better of using VSMs then bothering with RT IMO

[thin trout]

just to say anyway, it's not a game that was made 20 years ago and people are still playing it. It has a dev team the size of multiple AAA studios churning out content and engine updates.

but they don't have everything motion vectored (yet) so no dlss or native framegen

[verbal raft]

Do they have TAA even ?

[thin trout]

It's forward rendered

so native MSAA, and also supersampling support

[verbal raft]

So AA is post process ?

[thin trout]

nah, deferred rendering is the one that breaks the good AA methods to improve scaling with many light sources

forward render can use em, but cant use many dynamic lights

[verbal raft]

Im not sure you quite understood what i meant : )

[thin trout]

If that's the case, i still dont 😄

[verbal raft]

I was asking weather or not AA was post process (eg: MLAA/FXAA/SMAA/CAA/etc) and maybe MSAA too

[thin trout]

it's not post process, it's e.g. MSAA

Basically the reason that SMAA/TAA etc exist is because deferred renderers couldn't use MSAA, which is far superior

[verbal raft]

MSAA also wrecked performance, no ?

[thin trout]

on a gtx 260 kinda

on a 5080 not at all, it's a few % hit

[verbal raft]

I mean, cuz AFAIK its Kinda like SSAA

[verbal raft]

GPU bound ?

[thin trout]

a little, but like 10% of the performance hit for 70% of the results kinda thing

and yeah

[verbal raft]

Last time i used MSAA was pretty meh IIRC

though i don't remember that games name

Maybe BL 2 ?

[thin trout]

there's an A/B

supersample

[maiden coyote]

Freon cooled pc? I know it's been tried.. but I don't think anyone has directly cooled the cpu with it, have they?

I saw the gn video with mini waterchiller

[thin trout]

I used to talk to a guy who basically did that

subambient cooling is wildly impractical to use on a daily setup though because of issues like condensation

which can be mitigated, but are ultimately a huge pain in the ass 😛

and also you need some really powerful units to be able to sustain low temps while under high heat load, so you end up with something like a 10,000 BTU AC with a huge loud fan strapped to your PC

[pure karma]

just put your pc in the ocean at this point

[jagged snow]

Yeah, it's been done

There are plenty of people that run chillers

Just less and less popular now that total power is higher

[maiden coyote]

I just sorta want to try it.. plus it'll help me learn to braze and solder pipe.

[thin trout]

hope you enjoy cleaning insulating paste off motherboards 😄

[maiden coyote]

my goal would be to keep the evaporator at 15-20c though.. so there's no condensation. I just watched the ltt video where they did the same thing.. they stuck a 12k btu unit on a 700 btu heatload..

Maybe it was a 12k btu condenser, I don't actually know what the size of it was.

[thin trout]

if you do that, it doesn't perform better than water

[maiden coyote]

it'll probably perform slightly better than water. if I want it to. xD

if I want cold cold.. I'll probably try to build something like this

not sure what refigerant would be good for the secondary on that kind of setup.. I think the biggest issue would be jelling the oil at the metering device and evaporator

it's not for anything practical, water wins for efficiency in almost every case just because it uses less power to run a pump vs a compressor..

[maiden coyote]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaTOHmuN2M0 there's the ltt video.. lol

that's why they could only cool to -20

[safe trench]

"arch is peak!"
arch:

[mental oriole]

oof

[maiden coyote]

That does not look good

[ivory rampart]

Read the wiki, rip bozo

https://tenor.com/view/cigar-smoke-funny-gif-25177516

(i desperately need to fit in with the linux community)

[pure karma]

are we literally all on linux right now? lol

[dire igloo]

I'm not

(unless you count my Steamdeck)

[night girder]

no.

Should we? Probably.

[glossy glacier]

i am

[twin dew]

Fug, Windows 11 24H2 "fixed" a bug/feature where you could have one accent color for new stuff, and another for old stuff with registry editing...
Now it resets that registry setting used by "old" stuff to the Settings Accent color on login...

If I disable "Show accent color on title bars and window borders", old programs will have white title bar.
If I set the general accent color to what I want for those title bars etc,, there is no contrast in several "critical" things like volume indicator etc.

In 23H2 I could just set another color as the general accent color, and then registry edit that older value to nice dark grey.

Ok, found new setting that works like the old one did.
Previously edited Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\DWM\AccentColor and AccentColorInactive
Now need to edit the latter and then Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Accent\AccentColorMenu

[glossy glacier]

I (don't) use arch btw

[twin dew]

Darker dark grey for inactive window, tiny bit lighter for active window, and blue for actual accents.
Don't want blue windows...

[maiden coyote]

Blue windows is classic windows

[twin dew]

Yeah, but blue title bars on otherwise dark mode Windows is just weird, ugly and distracting.

Works fine with light-mode.

[pure karma]

They don’t know what linux even is if we’re being honest

[twin dew]

Basically there are several places where this "new" Windows Dark mode just fails to function properly without that registry editing to change some specific colors from default light-mode ones that aren't switched properly.

[night girder]

"Letterdief, why don't you auto update?" - for this exact reason rofl 🤣

[twin dew]

I finally updated my secondary computer from 23H2 to 24H2, 9 months late...

Need to do the same for primary computer and laptop at some point.

[sharp matrix]

I don't need update I'm already on the superior OS aka linux

[twin dew]

My linux machines update often weekly?

To the level where restart (or lot of restarting of constantly running software) is needed, even on just Debian Stable with minimal packages.

Ok, little less often mostly: 18.05, 25.05, 30.05, 26.06, 27.06, 17.07 for last three months, for one VM, for last three months.

[cyan crescent]

So im trying to make a nuclear fuel rod that lights ip. Would it be possible to connect 16 EL wires in parallel?

[pure karma]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-wait-what-gif-9000717621307637538

[soft bloom]

Usually it's more like "they know I use Arch"

[sharp matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-sunglasses-double-sunglasses-look-remove-shades-gif-17848793

[safe trench]

fuck you

[safe trench]

see why i hate arch?

[ivory rampart]

it was an obvious joke, not my fault if you cant spot it

[rocky yarrow]

I'm amused by how this car decides to display CD-TEXT data

[cyan crescent]

3d printed nuclear fuel rod. Work in progress.

[pure karma]

I taught you were making a actual nuclear fuel rod lmao

Not a replica from the game

Thats still sick tho

[charred relic]

Never understood all the yada yada baout Arch

Seems like some people want to install it because they hear it's hard.. even though it really isn't.

Try a stage 1 gentoo install and get back to me on all that

Some of you that like to squeeze every possible bit of performance out of a system would probably enjoy it...

[cyan crescent]

Im going to make the inside light up as well.

[pure karma]

and even then unless your on AMD hardware it isent worth it

[jagged snow]

Eh, debian really is good enough for that

Between Debian and Ubuntu I have everything I've ever needed in a distro

[charred relic]

just ate a ding dong, haven't had a ding dong in awhile...

[pure karma]

https://tenor.com/view/where-you-at-gif-21177622

All ads no video ffs

Youtube on mobile is so bad from all the ads

[charred relic]

https://tenor.com/view/love-you-sweet-hostess-ding-dong-love-you-more-gif-2675789965146152933

[dire igloo]

ReVanced my beloved

[wanton orchid]

it's just a python trace man, "too slow" connectivity issue, tldr: mirror didn't respond

[night girder]

That's the error you get when you have shit internet?

[wanton orchid]

kind of, it's more about issues, sometimes its the mirror that are down

sometimes it's curl and certificate roots problems

but my point was : it's all a single error mostly, it just is very verbose

[unique pivot]

I'm watching a satis YTer that's streaming and some dude just recommended 4GB of RAM for a PC... saying "people are overspending on PC's they put like 32GB of RAM in"

https://tenor.com/view/head-scratcher-confused-perplexed-huh-clash-with-cam-gif-10198268

[twin dew]

That isn't really enough for even basic Windows 11 computer for just office work or net browsing...

[night girder]

Warframe. "Ultra"

Windows side.

Interesting.

So is windows reporting RAM + VRAM?

[twin dew]

No.

[night girder]

After closing firefox.

[night girder]

Then wtf? Ingame: 1.716MB. Windows: 3,735.2MB.

[twin dew]

There are multiple things that can be reported as RAM usage.

[night girder]

That's double.

[twin dew]

Lot of things like I said:

[dire igloo]

Task Manager reports allocated RAM, how much of the RAM the program is told it can use.

Warframe itself might report actual usage, how much of the allocated RAM it has actually filled with data

Also: RAM usage goes up the more RAM you have available.
A program might seem like a resource hog when the PC is idle, but it'll step back if the OS restricts allocation due to higher priority on other tasks

[twin dew]

Mostly Task Manager reports that "Working set (memory)".
Commit size is the amount of requested allocations, including not used memory.

[night girder]

Oh right, the point I was trying to make; I don't think 4GB cuts it for modern systems 😄

Even with what Fireworker said.

[dire igloo]

Absolutely doesn't, unless you're like super light in usage

[twin dew]

But that Working set includes that "Shared working set", where same library etc. is only loaded once, but used by multiple programs.

[dire igloo]

Even less so with satisfactory and streaming, lol
idk what that guy was on, but most likely a troll

[night girder]

Don't want to be a dick. But windows clearly says in use;

Which to me isn't the same as allocated = "can be used".

[twin dew]

And that ingame number might not include the game exe and the libraries themselves, just what is allocated past that.

[night girder]

And I assume it's just poor wording from OS.

[twin dew]

Where as the Task Manager includes those too.

[dire igloo]

Windows calculates storage capacity in GiB but labels it GB, I'd say it's pretty safe to consider their labeling inaccurate

[night girder]

Also normally when you expand, you get more details.

But for Warframe it goes blank 🤣

[twin dew]

That Processes is always somewhat suspect.
And the Details is more accurate.

But that in turn has those multiple different RAM and VRAM usage categories.

By default most aren't shown.

[night girder]

details report same.

[twin dew]

Yeah, but in this case, the games own numbers probably only include the "dynamic" RAM usage, and not the base exe, library etc. usages.

[night girder]

maybe yeah.

[twin dew]

Example with save loaded in Satisfactory.
Using 4.2G of RAM in actuality, 300MB of that being shared with other programs (using same library that needs to be loaded for even single program).
So shutting the game down would only free 3.9G of RAM.
Game has requested allocation 7G of memory, but hasn't initialized almost 3G of that, so it that isn't actually used.
And is using 3G of VRAM and 30M of RAM as VRAM.

And all the RAM that is just for the game is in actual RAM, not in swap.

[night girder]

Oh, the bot is asleep again. Quickly click link before it get's removed 🙈

[twin dew]

Click what?

[night girder]

Ah bot woke up 😦

jmkuchta.medium.com/the-secret-caveats-of-the-caldigit-ts3-plus-dock-ebddea7d2fc

tl;dr

The USB ports are split between two controllers: one Fresco Logic controller (for most of the 5 Gbps ports), and an ASMedia controller (for the 10Gbps port and one or two of the 5 Gbps ports). In total, CalDigit advertises 15 usable ports across USB, Thunderbolt, DisplayPort, Ethernet, optical audio, analog audio, and an SD card reader. Yes, they count the SD card reader and audio jacks as ports. Regardless, this number is a lie — the total number of usable ports is far fewer — which leads to the first major caveat of this device.

and those docks, like I said aren't cheap. They look professional though, robust.

This is TS5

I just need a reliable hub, the one I have is starting to struggle. When I want to transfer music over it to my iPhone, like 60-100MB worth of songs, it takes about a minute or two over the HUB. If I connect directly into laptop, it takes seconds.

[twin dew]

So basically either that ASMedia TB chip is crap, or the specific firmware used is crap.

[night girder]

I don't know. But it's the first time I read something negative of the HUB. I though it was the best we can get for mac.

[tough owl]

Can you get a dell thunderbolt dock?

Our schools IT department recommends them for people that have laptops+dock combo as their work machine, works well with macos too

[night girder]

I have used dell in the past and I was really not happy with it.

If I remember correctly, the hub didn't even work with my mac, unless I installed some bloat?

but I don't know which model is was. Was at work.

Also TS4 seems to have same issues kinda?

"Write speed SSD goes down with second monitor connected"

and it's a external powered hub, the fuck...

[twin dew]

As expected?
As there is limited total bandwidth on the link?

[tough owl]

external powered makes sense too

[night girder]

but they advertise it different? 🤔

[night girder]

I want a external powered one. Because, yeah, it helps and makes sense for a lot of ports.

[twin dew]

Basically 40Gbit/s bandwidth, divided between everything, including any DisplayPort streams coexisting on the TB3.

[night girder]

So they make a hub, and don't test that if you connect every port, that you get full speed?

[twin dew]

You cannot get full speed on everything at same time.
But it shouldn't make stuff disconnect or bug out.

[glossy glacier]

Wouldn't be the first time

[night girder]

Maybe I need to do a little more investigation. Maybe they mention it somewhere.

But honestly, their website is kinda information overload.

[twin dew]

Like with any HUB, limited by the upstream link bandwidth.

[night girder]

But this isn't any hub Baldur.

[tough owl]

but this is how all hubs operate

[night girder]

This is dumb.

[twin dew]

It is TB4 based HUB with that connectivity.

[night girder]

413 euro's for a dock. That loses speed if you plug in everything.

[twin dew]

Not that different from any USB HUB or like, just with better uplink.

[night girder]

But boasting that is has 18 ports. 🙄

[tough owl]

welcome to thunderbolt royalty

[night girder]

I rather have it having 10 ports, but give full speed on every port when all plugged in.

than having 18 ports and needing to figure out why you lose speed.

[pure karma]

thats called marketing tricks

[night girder]

then you gotta remove shit, to find out culprit.

[twin dew]

Difference between being able to use all of them at same time (should work).
And being able to use all at same time at full speed (not going to work).

[tough owl]

Think of it like pcie lanes from a cpu, it only has so many and can be split as it needs it

[twin dew]

Because the uplink bandwidth just isn't there.

Because TB4 maxes out at 40Gbit/s.

Just getting dynamically split between everything connected.

[night girder]

I understand the technical part now.

[glossy glacier]

PCIe is P2P, so maybe not lanes from the CPU but lanes from chipset, which has a shared uplink to the cpu

[night girder]

I just don't understand that everyone (consumers etc) is alright with this.

1. Sold as premium product.
2. I haven't found any information on losing speed on the official website. Maybe it's there, but I found this in a review.
3. 400 euro!
4. it has audio ports, so clearly meant for professionals?
5. User has to figure out why they lose speed by plugging and unplugging stuff from dock???

[twin dew]

By that ASMedia TB chip.
And that Fresco Logic controller then hangs off that ASMedia chips one output port, dividing it more.

[twin dew]

Because that is basic and expected because of the basic tech?
You don't expect you can get 20Gbit/s out of 4-port 5Gbit/s USB HUB either.

Like any single-connection docking solution or hub has ever worked.

[tough owl]

It is a premium product limited by the thunderbolt specification
Marketing
Thunderbolt controllers are expensive
My laptop has audio ports, its for professional?

[glossy glacier]

TBF, most users won't run everything at full speed at the same time.

[tough owl]

also that

[night girder]

These days, if you have audio port, yes

[glossy glacier]

Thanks 🍎

[night girder]

But you know what I mean, how many docks offer this audio port feature 😉

[twin dew]

Most

[night girder]

so they are clearly trying to appeal to a certain audiance.

[night girder]

That's not true.

[tough owl]

Hubs don't(aka dongle), docks will(aka use external power)

[twin dew]

Never seen any real docking solution (either USB-C or TB) without 3.5mm audio output and mic inputs.

Where dock is just name for fancy hub today.
Old docks connected via much higher pin count connectors where you inserted the whole laptop into a large dock.

[night girder]

ah, explains it

[twin dew]

Any USB-C or TB one cable connections are just fancy hubs in the end.

Compared.

[night girder]

first dock amazon gave me 🤣

2 USB C and a magsafe port it seems

229 euro, wtf!

[tough owl]

https://a.co/d/1xxtH3T We reccomend these to school employees if they want a laptop+monitor setup

[night girder]

Thanks kade 👍 I look into it.

[feral drift]

First question.. Why Asus?

Next question.. Can it run Crysis?

https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-loses-it-500k-rtx-5090-rog-astral-real-gold-edition-showcased

[twin dew]

Lenovo alternative: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/accessories-and-software/docking/docking_thunderbolt-docks/40b00135us

[night girder]

If it can run without software, that would be great.

[tough owl]

works with macs ootb

[twin dew]

Also TB3 version at least used to be available.

[tough owl]

so I don't see why it would need it

just make sure if on windows you have thunderbolt driver installed

[night girder]

It was really weird, at work we also had dell docking stations. Everyone with a macbook had to download some drivers and stuff before it would work.

Windows laptops had no issues. Was mixed work place.

[tough owl]

probably old tech with displaylink

[tough owl]

did you use 2 monitors with those macbooks

[night girder]

So half a team spend maybe a day getting their laptops to work with the docking station. Great productive day 😄

[night girder]

We used every monitor we could get our hands on 🤣

[tough owl]

and were they apple silicon macbooks?

[night girder]

That I don't remember.

[tough owl]

if they were apple is was kinda dumb when it came to external displays and M1, M2, M3

M4 seems to be fixed

[night girder]

Apple being dumb ??

No way!

[twin dew]

Intentional limitations in the chips, to simplify stuff, with expectation that "no-one needs more than one external monitor" or something like that IIRC.

[night girder]

Apple assumes a lot.

[tough owl]

also probably a bit of cost savings from the chip manufacturing side

[night girder]

Assumes:

1. People want thinner and thinner laptops, that was their excuse to get rid of Apple logo with backlight.
2. Removed audio port, because it wasn't the future.
3. Introduced their own ports because they though we wanted that.
   ...

Now they add ports back.

Because, hey, surprise surprise, people were not happy.

[tough owl]

their own port being lightning?

[night girder]

Yeah.

[twin dew]

That had its good points, and was launched before USB-C was a thing.

[night girder]

it feels like apple wants to steer the way of the future themselves. And not let the community steer the future.
Or how do I explain myself. That they have an idea of the future, and that's the future they want, regardless of what the consumer/users of their product want?

[twin dew]

But for long time it was just about Apples control and licensing fees.

[night girder]

I think a POE1 developer said once, if we did everything the community asks of us, nobody would play the game anymore.
So, we as developers listen to community, but also have to double check if it makes sense what they ask.

[tough owl]

TBF from a hardware perspective lightning was by far better than microusb, and had more rated durability than usbc

[night girder]

But then we got in the predicament EU has to step in no?

"Too many different type of cables. Stop it!"

[glossy glacier]

Lightning was a solution to a problem at the time. Apple just stuck too long to it

[tough owl]

because the EU wanted one cable on all devices which makes sense, and I agree with it but apple if they had wanted to could've made lightning faster, and 2 an open standard like qi2 but they got complancant because MFI royalties make bank

[night girder]

@twin dew Another one without audio jack 😉

[twin dew]

Usually those are at the front, that is the back.

[twin dew]

Ok, so Dell has started to drop them.

[night girder]

That's front and side of HP one.

The dell D6000 has one though.

Just glancing over the most viewed docks on tweakers.net.

But audio ports have been dropped for a few years now. Because apple said bluetooth was the future.

Schiller then offered a three-point "why Apple is removing the audio jack" speech. Here are the tent poles:

The 3.5 mm headphone jack is an analog port. Using Lightning means you can, say, skip to the next track on your iPhone 7 straight from your headphones. It can also charge your headphones.
The iPhone is packed full of amazing technology. If you want more stuff in there, you need to free up space, and that analog headphone jack takes up space.
Apple believes the future of everything is all wireless, all the time.

[twin dew]

And that media control was implemented on analog headphones too with just resistors + buttons, blocking mic while pressed.

[night girder]

really? that I didn't know. my bluetooth JBL earbuds do have control.

Tap left for environment audio, double tap left to go back, tap right to pause, double tap right to skip song I think?

[twin dew]

Basically shorting the mic line to ground with resistor value determining the function.

Play/pause, forward, backwards at least, possibly volume control too.

Well, volume control etc. could be done, just not sure if anyone did support it or not.

[visual tree]

Even my work laptop is struggling with 8 GB of RAM and asked for an upgrade 2 weeks ago. Hope my request will be approved....

Not to mention MS Teams is the biggest memory hog

Looks like 16 GB is going to become a norm for office work unless there are many company processes in the background which might contribute to memory consumption in my case

[glossy glacier]

4GB = VM with a few services, kiosk client
8GB = minimum for use with user, thin client
16GB = new sweet spot/"office"
32GB = heavy gamers/light work

32GB people who know they need it

[visual tree]

I mostly use ms office apps, acrobat reader and dwg viewer at work and even 8 GB is not enough in my case

[mental oriole]

what os?

[visual tree]

Windows 10

[mental oriole]

you need 16Gb for w11 btw

Considering w10 eol is soon™

[glossy glacier]

Or not, depending on how MS feels today

[visual tree]

Company can probably just order another memory stick and install it in my laptop

Oh, and it's Dell

[mental oriole]

Blame IT for using 90% of RAM. That's what I do at work.

[visual tree]

IT department received like 40 laptops recently which had a broken USB-C charging port btw

[mental oriole]

💀

[glossy glacier]

"fun"

[visual tree]

Good news is, the repair cost is not worth it and the "lucky" people with broken charging port will simply get a new laptop

Any ideas to make the charging port break faster?

*asking for a friend

[pure karma]

usb-c is a great standard indeed

[twin dew]

Mostly just about bad implementation on the MB end.
Having that USB-C port directly on the main MB, so the solder in the surface mount connections cracks over time.

[mental oriole]

Proposal of USB-Destroyer.

[twin dew]

Instead of on small daughterboard with cable to main MB.

Other stupidity is that the parts that wear out first from repeated connections are on the female connector, and not in the cable connector, but that takes lot more to become a problem.

[dire igloo]

32gb is the sweetspot for anything more than office, 16gb is the budget pick

note that you don't need to require 32GB to justify the expense, just more than 16GB

and let's not forget the limited capabilities of 16GB DDR5 (either single channel or half rank)

[visual tree]

Looks like I will have to export cctv recording and visit the police soon. A very suspicious person was walking around my house today and looking at cameras

He first pressed the door bell and asked for a lighter. When I said I don't have any, I saw him pulling out a lighter from his pocket on cctv when I went back into home. That's a huge red flag

And he was staring at the doors for like 3 minutes, he might be a drug addict....

Yep, my dad confirmed he once saw him sitting near the fence and talking to himself. Also noticed he had bloody eyes

[pure karma]

certified door moment

[feral drift]

With the amount of PCs still running Windows XP.. I got atleast a few decades before W10 is fully EOL :D

[night girder]

Still that many? I looked it up and I though a lot have switched. But might misremember.

source: questionable.

[feral drift]

Well of course it depends what you'd consider many..

~5.5 million machines world wide still running Windows XP

Looking at the grant scheme of things, with around 1.4 billion machines, the percentage aint much

[night girder]

Ok, yeah relative.

Data can be beautiful to look at.

You just see in the data how people switched from 10 to 11 😄

[pure karma]

iv been on 11 since the start

[feral drift]

But there is quiet a few machines, that still relies on running Windows XP, because of special developed software..

And many of these machines could be considered infrastructural critical machines - like Medical facilities still relies on Windows XP..

NASA also has quiet a few running XP..

Keep in mind, the 5.5 million is PCs running with connection to Interwebs, so therefore quiet.. Vulnerable

[night girder]

Also, I am not sure where the data comes from. I think it's based on browser information or something.

[pure karma]

yea december 1st 2021 is when i upgraded to 11

its been a long road for me already

[night girder]

Understanding Browser Usage Share Data
StatCounter Global Stats Fact Sheet
Sample size

When compiling statistics, larger sample sizes generally lead to more reliable results. Our stats are based on over 5 billion page views per month recorded across more than 1.5 million websites. We are not aware of any other publicly available data source with a larger sample size.
Browser Usage Stats based on Page Views

StatCounter measures internet usage trends. We track which browsers are actually used most. To accurately measure browser usage, we base our stats on page views (and not unique visitors). This means we take account of how frequently browsers are used and we also track multi-browser usage by individuals.

So they put trackers into 1.5 million websites?

[feral drift]

https://tenor.com/view/cookie-monster-girlscout-cookies-girl-scout-gif-13360660

[night girder]

or 1.5 websites allow the tracker or implemented it. You know what I mean 😄

The big scarry cookies!

Probably google selling data to statcounter 🤣

but I think googles has its hand in the jar of more than 1.5M websites.

[pure karma]

i think my computer is having a stroke

999 million fps

[visual tree]

If you think Windows XP is outdated, wait till I tell you I have been to a furniture manufacturing company which had some outdated OS from 1983 (forgot it's name)

And the former CEO didn't use internet banking because he doesn't trust technology. He simply collected checks and went to a bank....

It's a miracle they are still alive although they have a "modern" CEO now lol

But you have to admit, they make sturdy furniture made from solid wood. Not that fake wood you see in IKEA nowadays

[full tide]

HOW

[pure karma]

skill

[visual tree]

Ah, now I remember. They had an ERP system which was based on Novell DOS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetWare

[safe trench]

was using a vpn

[dire igloo]

solved it

[feral drift]

Guess one of the thought processed (Which I personally may think is wrong)

Some of these machines running, like XP, have software running that only works on that OS - which has costed the company millions of dollars.

So would assume a lot of these businesses are like..

If it works, don't touch it

[visual tree]

They are lucky they have good furniture which saved them despite ancient technology and manufacturing processes

[maiden coyote]

moisture

[safe trench]

got arch running

wrong ping

tbh its really nice in the cinnamon enviorment

[jagged snow]

I also need to add to this conversation - that data is reported based on online devices. The vast majority of XP machines are not going to be connected to the internet, so the statistic is likely significantly under-reported

[rigid salmon]

bought a r7 5700 back in march and i regret it. The halved L3 cache really hurts it btw

[twin dew]

For games, yes.

[rigid salmon]

for everything

[night girder]

I said/posted that 😉

It's based on 5 billion page views per month recorded over 1.5 million websites. Or so they claim.

[dire igloo]

1. How did you determine that bottleneck?
2. Send PCPP list of your PC

Are you using an LGA1700 contact frame?
Are you running the latest BIOS?
And what do you consider "overheating"?

What games? What settings?
What scenarios?

You said 24GB DDR5 - pretty sure that's single channel.
Definitely an issue

[twin dew]

And how the heck can he only have 24GB of RAM if that is legit?
1x24GB?

[dire igloo]

Only way I can think of, yeah

https://pcpartpicker.com/list

[twin dew]

He also joined Discord exactly week ago, and day later to this server...
And if that 60TB of SSDs is legit, then there is even more insanity and money wasting, if this isn't just a troll.

[dire igloo]

Alternatively, if it's a prebuild: link the store page

Okay, now you have completed the troll speedrun

You really blew it with that answer, like c'mon

24GB DDR5 and 60TB was odd but excusable

Touching your water-cooled CPU through the water block to burn your fingers, that's just trolling

I told you what I wanted

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/walk-in-walk-out-walk-in-and-leave-nope-catdog-winslow-gif-8200789789998685268

[ivory rampart]

i hate it when i run my CPU without cooler

and burn my finnger when touching

this thing is spicy

bigass cooler and it wont go below 50c

[dire igloo]

Damn, this is actually entertaining

[night girder]

Maybe it's better to wait for your brother or take it to repair shop.

[dire igloo]

Now imagine the old X3D CPUs which had the cache between the die and the IHS.
Easy to cool, impossible to keep cool.

[night girder]

👆

[twin dew]

Well, if it was recommended and build by that brother, better to keep it far away from him.

[night girder]

For people to help you in this channel, they need information.

And without proper information, people cannot help you.

[dire igloo]

Dang, personal attacks now? After all I've done with nothing in response.
Pathetic.

[ivory rampart]

my old 5800x3d was sligtly cooler on idle

to his defense, what you said is almost sureal.
so forgive him for thinking its a trolling atempt (wich it might just be)

[twin dew]

You basically don't write as someone who could afford what you say you got.
And the specs are just weird.

That doesn't make you write like under 18 year old.

[dire igloo]

I'm being rude to you because you're not helping the helpers.
And with the amount of nonsensical info you gave, the only logical conclusion is assuming you're a troll.

Which btw, I wasn't even the first person to do so

[dire igloo]

Or fail to provide info

Isn't ban evasion also a TOS violation?

[twin dew]

So this is the same case who got already banned 3 times for this during last week?

So pure troll.

[glossy glacier]

Depends on the fan curve tbh. Letting it idle a bit warmer so it's more quiet is fine.
Mine ran similar under windows, a bit cooler under linux

[ivory rampart]

i have already accepted it.
it wont die at that temp, so its whatever

and yeah i did change the fan courve so its quiet in idle, thats probably the main reason

[dire igloo]

Entertainment on throwaway accounts

[twin dew]

So the chances that you actually have badly assembled $5000+ computer are just going down all the time...

[ivory rampart]

with 60TB in ssd, thats more like a 10 to 15k pc

[twin dew]

So you already completely forgot your start on this channel with that account?

[dire igloo]

With 4TB NVMe at $200, that's $3k in SSDs

HDD ≠ SSD

[ivory rampart]

3k for the 5090, and who knows how much for the cooling

10k at the very least

[twin dew]

What do you expect when you cannot stop lying to try to entertain yourself?

[pure karma]

does a 60TB ssd even exist in the first place

[twin dew]

Yes, in enterprise markets.

[pure karma]

i tought we were only at like 20TB or 24TB

[ivory rampart]

thats hdds for the most part

but high capacity SSDs do exist

[twin dew]

Example: https://www.micron.com/products/storage/ssd/data-center-ssd/6550-ion

[pure karma]

sounds expensive

[ivory rampart]

but there are also PCIE cards that allow you to add a lot of NVME ssds

[pure karma]

well yea that i know

i mean in a single ssd

[ivory rampart]

sounds like you didnt know...

[twin dew]

That is single 2.5" SSD with NVMe connectivity with 60TB

Or two ruler formats.

PCIe 5.0 4x via U.2 cable.

That Micron one I linked.

Other SSD manufacturers have similar offering.

BM1743 for Samsung also has 61.44TB capacity, but uses QLC.
From last summer news article:

Solidigm's D5-P5336 61.44 TB SSD costs $6,905.

For another.

And any M.2 slot can be converted into U.2 port with simple passive adapter.

Better ones would have PCIe redriver

[night girder]

Yeah, they tried to add me out of the blue a while back.

When they made the account on 15 July 2025. They send friend request.

but seems a moderator cleaned it all up.

[twin dew]

Well, the attempt to get his main accounts permaban reversed seems to have ended up in the alt also getting banned and messages removed.

Wonder why ?)

[night girder]

I keep forgetting, that some people find it fun to these kinds of things.
I don't understand it.

[visual tree]

Connected alarm system to phone line so I can have two-way communication. Asked ChatGPT what funny things could I say through panel speaker if a burglar breaks into my house 🤣

Second response is best imo. I would be shitting bricks if I broke into a house and suddenly heard some voice telling me dogs are being released lol

[night girder]

So your the cause of the daily 2,5 billion prompts for chatGPT.

[visual tree]

I guess you could say that

Actually, I have a better idea than ChatGPT. Since most burglars break into homes at night, I could play some monster sounds

[night girder]

Just a dog barking should be fine.

[visual tree]

"Max, get him!"

[night girder]

No, just a dog barking 🤣

Dogs really help here to scare away 90% of the people 😛

Best alarm I ever bought.

[visual tree]

"Congrats. You have activated the protocol "Belgian Malinois"

Assuming they know what a maligator is

[night girder]

Overrated 😛

Cute dogs though 🤣

[visual tree]

You mean the breed?

[night girder]

Kinda. It's just overhyped by Americans.

Because they use them in the military, so it must be a good dog for everyone ... right? 🤷‍♂️

[visual tree]

Heard they are like dogs on steroids and never get tired

*well, until they literally collapse from exhaustion

I need to find a dog and train him to use a slingshot on burglars https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7o_UPHEVlk8

[pure karma]

https://tenor.com/view/neuro-sama-ai-vtuber-settle-this-peacefully-gif-6204625403322205544

[night girder]

Most work dogs are. Just like real huskies.
They are not meant to keep in a tiny house without a garden. Or an appartment.
They need space, preferebly a second husky or more to make a pack. Else you have chance for neurotic behavior.

I still think I want an old german shepherd. Not the modern ones.

[dire igloo]

Did mods ban?

[night girder]

We think so yes. All messages gone.

Oh, there is 2 messages left on this server from Gestalts. About bio fuel

[tough owl]

Banning deletes all of the messages though

[pure karma]

default is messages in the last 2 weeks so unless a mod selected all its only the ones from the last 2 weeks

[night girder]

Well then I don't know what happened.

[tough owl]

kicked probably

[tough owl]

dont care enough ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[night girder]

But this ❗ mark though.

[night girder]

They have like 10 more accounts.

[verbal raft]

sounds like there was some drama, what happened ?

[night girder]

Fireworker did not like that.

😄

[verbal raft]

welp.

[night girder]

If I understood it correctly, they then continued to say they removed the waterblock.

[verbal raft]

your hands got burned when you touched something thats 60c+ ?
wow

[night girder]

and the plastic thingy come with it. And it had no paste.

And something about the water not moving.

But that's the point my brain kinda turned off. Because I was so confused.

[dire igloo]

My replies

[night girder]

You tried.

[safe trench]

top 10 genuis

this must be a toddler or a rage baiter

[dire igloo]

Latter

[night girder]

There was that one person a while back with all the accounts.

I think it might be the same, the next day Gestalts tried adding me as a friend.

But I am not sure about that.

[safe trench]

"bro why is my cpu so hot at 50c??? its burning my hand, it must be overheating."

[night girder]

and you most go through hoops to be able to touch your CPU with your hands.

I think that's why Fireworker was like; no.

[dire igloo]

Yep

At some point, your nonsense leaves incompetence and turns into idiocy

[pure karma]

you met what a real troll is

i was simply the tutorial all this time 😂

[dire igloo]

Nah, a good troll doesn't give himself away this easily

Ragebait works because it enrages people

[charred relic]

The true art of trolling almost completely died a long time ago...

[quasi citrus]

Easy mode

[safe trench]

why does this keep on happening to my vms

[pure karma]

cause your using a inferior operating system

[soft bloom]

how to spot nazi aprentice:

• they use word "inferior" without understanding complexities of the question

[charred relic]

Seems like inferior logic...

[safe trench]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/495286269459300364/1361007160896651476/attachment-2-1.gif

[night girder]

I would hire that dog.

[safe trench]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1141016887392743558/1198410429374939137/attachment.gif

[charred relic]

https://tenor.com/view/hunterspad-vacuuming-lawn-hpad-grass-cleaning-gif-16719497

[dire igloo]

Holy shit, Godwin's Law in the third message

[feral drift]

Ackshually.. Did you turn it off and on again?

[safe trench]

least obvious rage bait

[feral drift]

Nooo.. Its IT support :)

[twin dew]

Yes, mod banned them and then manually deleted the messages from him on this channel, starting from the newest.

At least the messages went down in succession, not all at same time.

I do know which mod was on the case.

[safe trench]

checkit cant just delete them all once a user gets banned?

[twin dew]

No idea.
Or there might be different commands and the one used only removed things on this channel?

[safe trench]

good chance hes just a shitty little degenerate rage baiter tho

[feral drift]

Would assume the messge is deleted, as a bot feature, as its easier for it to iterate them and delete them..

So if mod just rightclick + ban .. You can only select last 7 days messages..

[ivory rampart]

Yes

You can delete all messages or last 7 days, last hours and so on

[quasi citrus]

Discord had an auto feature to remove last messages of user upon ban.. not sure if that is still a thing.

I should read on before replying 😅

[languid gulch]

LOL

ok, is there any free non-garbage RGB software

i feel like this shit is designed to shorten the lifespan of products

[twin dew]

SignalRGB possibly.

[dire igloo]

Proprietary and requires login.
OpenRGB exists too, but security vulnerability

[languid gulch]

the difference between armoury crate+iCue running & not is 11 degrees

[dire igloo]

Two of the worst malwares people ever installed voluntarily

[languid gulch]

yup

why i'm asking for alternates 🤣

[twin dew]

And seems that SignalRGB only provides trial now?
And not actual free version?

[languid gulch]

ew

[twin dew]

Ah, probably no, just misreading the site.

It was SignalRGB Pro Trial.

They don't have proper page telling the difference between free and paid versions.

Ok, that was in the docs.

https://docs.signalrgb.com/gettingstarted/free-vs--pro

[dire igloo]

So it's intransparent Freemium?

nvm

[twin dew]

But still using WinRing0 should rule OpenRGB out, and that leaves SignalRGB as the only RGB control software I know off that isn't manufacturer specific.

If Windows Dynamic Lighting doesn't fulfill the needs.

And for many of the things, using that needs the manufacturer software installed, and configures into Dynamic Lighting mode.

[ivory rampart]

I always turn off all rgb.
Mainboard in bios and current gpu has a switch on the pcb

[languid gulch]

i generally have it off too

but every once in a while i like to look at the pretty lights

[main locust]

RGB off is a recession indicator

[languid gulch]

🤣

i mean, now that i know it heats up my system by 11 degrees, having it off is an indicator of "it's hotter than shit here, and every bit of cooling helps"

[pure karma]

Signal rgb is what i use and it works fine like 99% of the time

customization is decent

[thin trout]

I think it was signal that i used, but it has to be actively running which uses a little bit of CPU (and obv doesn't work when e.g. restarting pc)

armory crate and icue are warcrimes of CPU usage and poll stuttering, since they track way too many sensors way too frequently.

[ivory rampart]

i dont care how my pc looks, it just needs to perform

and be reasonably quiet

[night girder]

Microsoft. Introduces a tool. To make it easier to switch to 11. Feels a little bit too late 😛

[ivory rampart]

im never gonna use win 11 on my personal pc

its so unbelievable how dogshit it is.
its not happening

every single thing takes a few clicks more than it does on windows 10.
just fuck you too microsoft

[thin trout]

That's the biggest thing that is weird and bothersome for me. Accessing the main file manipulation menu, rather than right click, is now under right click > show more; no option to disable that. Same for graphics driver control panel.

To access the audio controls such as which devices are enabled (which i do several times a day) instead of right click left click, you have to do: right click, sound settings, scroll down a bunch, then click "more sound settings" out of a list of options.. which opens the windows 7-10 menu where the controls actually exist.

[ivory rampart]

i switch audio devices maybe 5 to 10 times a day

i lost my mind trying to use win 11

[thin trout]

I'm sure there is some kind of workaround to fix it, but microsoft loves uninstalling those for no reason every 3 months

they are just generally being a pain in the ass because of no relevant competition, they're not scared of losing users due to demon ui etc.

[ivory rampart]

there is an app in the microsoft store that offers better audio controll

but this is just one of the issues

[thin trout]

you lost me at "app"

[ivory rampart]

EXACTLY

i dont want to use an app for audio
i dont want to reg edit a usable context menu
and all the other random bullshit i dont want either

[thin trout]

I've never used the microsoft store and probably never will. They completely fucked up all of the games on there and game pass.. undid some issues now, but others remain. They sandboxed everything which breaks e.g. third party overlays and framerate controls, and hurts performance.

[ivory rampart]

ill either switch to linux for real this time or try my lock with the LTS version of win 10

[night girder]

I understand how you feel.

[mental oriole]

Looking for ultrawide (49") any recommends? Also Is OLED good enough to not get burn in nowadays or is it still an issue? I haven't really followed that stuff

[dire igloo]

Burn in has been solved basically.
Are you looking for DUHD or DQHD?

Burn in is still a thing, but far from actually rampant

[twin dew]

"Solved" by tracking per pixel usage and compensating, until there is too much.

[dire igloo]

Solved in the sense that it takes several years to even be noticeable

[mental oriole]

qhd (5120x1440)

unless there is an argument to go higher

[ivory rampart]

main issue i saw when looking for one was the VRR flicker that can happen with Gsync/freesync

dont think that has been solved yet

[mental oriole]

I don't really use Gsync / freesync

Appreciate the info though

[ivory rampart]

since all the expensive oled monitors already come with it, id prefer to use it.
but the flicker is something i cant accept when spending 600$ or more on a display

there shouldnt be major drawbacks like that on such expensive products

[thin trout]

It's kinda important yeah. 390hz IPS gsync is smoother than 480hz OLED without gsync, especially at framerates like 300-400. At 500fps they're similar at best because gsync helps as much as +20% refresh.

you CAN overpower it with just raw refresh rate (like 720hz OLEDs supposed to be coming later this year)

Also, even if you do pixel clean at morning and night on the latest Asus OLEDs, they WILL turn themselves off in the middle of the day to force a pixel clean. It's after 8 hours of usage in a day or something. Had it happen to me several times while using mine (before it broke on day 12, gg asus, don't buy those). Also had a team member have it happen mid raid and hold up everyone for 10 minutes.

[mental oriole]

Pause the game pls I need to pixel clean.

[thin trout]

unironically yes

pops up mid pull to cover part of your screen and be like HEY IN 60 SECONDS I'M GONNA TURN OFF YOUR MONITOR FOR 10 MINS options: okay/okay.

[mental oriole]

I'm not getting asus for sure.

[dire igloo]

Good luck pushing that for DQHD

[thin trout]

390hz gsync is smoother than 480hz non-gsync with a framerate of 240

and that is very achievable especially with framegen and DLSS

path tracing doom is higher than that for example, and satisfactory does 800 fps

[dire igloo]

far from achievable with HDMI 2.0 or DP 1.4 tho

I'm talking about transfer bandwidth

[thin trout]

DP2.1 exists and is on displays this year, and displays without it use DSC.

Yeah, the monitors this year are DP2.1 with uncompressed 10bit 1080p720. So QHD is not too much of a drop from there.

[dire igloo]

What's the point of OLED if you're gonna DSC anyway?

[thin trout]

I agree, DSC is a garbage fire

that's why i wait and advise for DP2.1 monitors

[dire igloo]

1. We're talking DQHD
2. Even DP 2.1 is limited

[thin trout]

it has like triple the bandwidth of DP1.4 and is the biggest advantage of the 5000 series cards over 4000.

[glossy glacier]

my philips begins to nag after 4h, but i got to 10+ without it forcing it. haven't hit the 12h mark yet though

[thin trout]

Oh you mean quad quad hd

my bad

[dire igloo]

nvm, I had dp 2.0 in mind

[dire igloo]

5120×1440, Dual QHD

But yeah, DQHD 300Hz on DP 2.0 seems doable

[thin trout]

297hz at 10bit, or 360 at 8bit

[dire igloo]

Do GPUs have DP 2.0 by now?

[thin trout]

on 2.1 UHBR20

[glossy glacier]

some

[thin trout]

Yes, AMD's on their second gen of dp2 but i think both the 5000 series nvidia and the 9000 series AMD have 2.1 UHBR20

Nvidia does for sure

[glossy glacier]

wasn't intel first right out of the gate with arc?

[thin trout]

the best of the best DP1.4 does 5120x1440 10bit at 109hz, while DP2.1 does 297hz. Big diff.

[thin trout]

I don't remember exactly. Even Battlemage doesn't support full 2.1 like nvidia though, only 13.5 UHBR

which is about 2/3'rds of full bandwidth

[ivory rampart]

ok thats criminal

it shoud at least ask for consent

[glossy glacier]

yeah, ARC with UHBR 10
Battlemage with UHBR 13.5
no UHBR 20 yet

[ivory rampart]

but yeah im waiting a few years for new Oled gens, for the flicker issue to hopefully be less noticeable

[glossy glacier]

Nvidia 50 series can do UHBR 20
AMD 90 series/RDNA4 only UHBR 13.5 too

[thin trout]

oof

one more thing for high end nvidia i guess

[ivory rampart]

im waiting for either 50 series super refresh or a potential high end AMD 9000 card

9070 xt isnt that much better than 6950xt
5080 is just garbage

AMD could make a big impact

with some higher TDP card

[charred relic]

You know the key to all of this display stuff was unlocked the year I was born... 🙂

The blue LED...

[thin trout]

If priced appropriately yeah

they would need to make something 30% faster rendering than a 5090 to launch it at 5090 price with current features and marketshare

[ivory rampart]

if it fals in line with existing 9000 series pricing that should be fine

[thin trout]

they're way too expensive IMO

[mental oriole]

What philips do you have?
I'm currently looking at the Envia 49M2C8900-49.
Maybe I'm worrying too much about burn in idk.
I'm ususally running stuff at low brightness either way so I should be fine?

[ivory rampart]

i think the 9070xt is priced pretty alright all things considered

[mental oriole]

It's that or Odyssey G9 G93SC.

[ivory rampart]

and when i said some higher end model, i didnt mean that it would need to match or beat the 5090.
just like an 9080xt with more cores, more ram

something to whipe the floor with the 5080

[charred relic]

Sometimes being a poor has advantages... like not having to worry about all theose high end cards because who the hell can afford that

[thin trout]

5070ti 16GB is £680, 9070 XT is £606. I think it should be £525 given the massive feature disparity

[ivory rampart]

in germany the 5070 ti is 200e more expensive.
and the cards perform almost identical

[thin trout]

and the market obviously agrees, because radeon marketshare continues to plummet (and it's obviously not a brand name effect either, because Intel's share is plummeting in favor of AMD on the CPU side).

[glossy glacier]

i have a philips 34m2x8600.
3300h on it so far, no noticable burn in. ~4h use per day, but on a quite dim setting too and with dark mode as far as possible.
i think i noticed flickering maybe twice so far?

[thin trout]

656 euro for 9070xt vs 807 for 5070ti

That is close to reasonable. It's paying 23% more for Nvidia, whereas here it's 12% more - which is obviously not.

[charred relic]

Does philips still make good stuff... because I have a LCD TV from them... an old 47" 1080p that is decades old now

still sitting in my living room...

[ivory rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rnc7uHs1tnw
there is a slight disadvantage in RT, thats about it.
As long as you do gaming and not need Cuda for a professional use case, the cards perform almost the same

i dont think thats reasonable at all.
the 5070 ti is massively overpriced

[charred relic]

Keep expecting it to die.. but it never does it just keeps on doing it's thing

[thin trout]

Nah they don't really. FSR4 is in beta and is about the quality of DLSS3, while meanwhile DLSS4 is released in games.

Antilag 2.0 supports about 10 games, while Reflex over 200.

[mental oriole]

Thanks 😄

[ivory rampart]

i thnk the people that give a shit about these features are less than 1% of buyers

i cant tell the difference between fsr4 and dlss anymore.
both current versions look good

[glossy glacier]

i am happy with my 9070 xt. i try to avoid FSR as far as possible, but the one time i had to use it (MHWilds) it run quite well. and FSR4 was quite usable as well

[thin trout]

if that were the case, they would jump on a card like the 9070xt being 10% cheaper.

Many people like HWUB have ran polls showing that a large majority of their viewers (which are just a subset of PC gaming as a whole, but a significant and important one) both overwhelmingly use and heavily judge upscaling quality in their hardware purchases.

[ivory rampart]

no they just buy the brand name.
or get it in prebuilds

[charred relic]

I have old man eyes so a lot of the subtle shit that bugs the hell out of some people just goes totally or mostly unotticed by me lol

As far as input lag... I... don't notice any so

[thin trout]

Reflex (anti lag 2.0) is a basic and extremely important feature.

An independant reviewer discovered a major flaw in the graphics pipeline in 2017 and disclosed it AMD, Nvidia and the public.

2 years later Nvidia released Reflex and it's in 200 games, heavily focused on the ones where it is needed most. 7 years later, Radeon released antilag 2 and now it's in 10 games.

[ivory rampart]

as far as im concerned FSR4 and DLLS4 are equal

[thin trout]

Satisfactory doesn't support FSR4 because FSR wasn't upgradeable until extremely recently.

In this game you either play DLSS4 with reflex, or you play FSR2.1 without reflex (antilag2).

[pure karma]

yep same here

[thin trout]

this is true in most games.

[pure karma]

reflex to me until i learned what it even was, was just another performance waster

[charred relic]

Like I seriously see all the yada yada over this stuff and just shrug lol

And I don't even have FSR4 lol

[thin trout]

Reflexes entire reason for being is to improve performance, it doesn't cost anything

[glossy glacier]

afaik refelx and antilag needed to be included by the devs?
so prio on the one more users have makes sense, even if it puts a bad light o the competitor

[thin trout]

Yes, but with 90% of users being Nvidia and with Antilag 2 being far newer (because radeon failed to make it until 5 years later than Nvidia), that landscape is overwhelmingly only implemented for nvidia users

[ivory rampart]

Also the price isnt realy a fair marker for the value.
nvidia just procuces less cards when people are buying less to keep the price as high as they want.

they have done this for years

[thin trout]

Radeon are free to sell more cards. They do the same. Every time Nvidia raises prices, they match it and they keep production at extremely low levels (rx9000 production is ~1/10'th of RTX 5000 series).

[glossy glacier]

also amd always published a driver level alternative, so i guess its more adopted ^^

[thin trout]

there is no driver level alternative for reflex / antilag2

it requires game integration

[pure karma]

theres a reasson why prices havent gone down and its exactly that

[thin trout]

discovered 2017:
public SDK for nvidia: 2019
public SDK for radeon: 2024

Can you blame Coffee Stain for not implementing 2024-2025 Radeon stuff into their 2024 release of Satisfactory, while they put 2019-2020 Nvidia tech in?

[pure karma]

my pc is actually more expensive to build now than it was 2 years ago

even after the intel drama and 50 series launch

[ivory rampart]

also.
if the 50 series realy did that well, nvidia wouldnt be doing a super frefresh

they would just sell the same thing till next gen

[glossy glacier]

antilag 1 is, antilag 2 is per game (for now)

[thin trout]

It's selling out. They're doing super refresh because they wanted to launch it with 3GB memory chips but they cut into profit margins too much at the time that they wanted to launch

[charred relic]

I'm waiting on the 5090Ti Super Titan

[ivory rampart]

its selling out because they produce like 4 cards a month

[thin trout]

antilag 1 is a completely different and irrelevant technology because it doesn't work and often causes harm

[charred relic]

sure i'll have to take out a 2nd mortage but whatever!

Wonder what my bank would say if I told them I wanted a loan for a 3000 dollar video card for my computer...

[thin trout]

They produce 10x more cards than Radeon does, whatever the amount. Yes they cut production. No, nobody is taking market share or price leadership because of it.

[pure karma]

there too busy reducing production instead of fixing it

[ivory rampart]

and nvida even got caught pretty much making provably wrong and misleading statements about the 50 series launch performance

[charred relic]

Nvidia doesn't care about gamers

[pure karma]

well thats nothing new... thats every company

[charred relic]

Now bow down to your new AI overlords

[ivory rampart]

AMD often is incompetent, nvidia is malicious

and it doesnt look like nvidia is gaining on AMD

the share has remained the exact same over the last year

[pure karma]

intel is already at 8% ? nice

[glossy glacier]

mostly iGPUs though

[ivory rampart]

thats probably a bunch intel IGPUs

[charred relic]

Those silly people using other

[ivory rampart]

that 1 pixel

[feral drift]

Pretty much sums up most industries today, and their pricing strategy

[ivory rampart]

5% performance increase just is not worth the price increase.
idk about antilag, but you are the first person i ever heard even talk about using it, so i doubt much people actually care.
idk about you, but you couldnt pay me to spot the difference between FSR4 and DLSS4 upscaling

[feral drift]

Meh can't link the gif from Margin - where the CEO states We are selling to willing buyers, at current fair market price

[ivory rampart]

the average price for the cheapest 4 9070 xts is 655e, for the 4 5070 tis its 810e

idk, if you are looking for good value, buying nvidia just looks silly.

[glossy glacier]

is the nvidia driver stable again? 🤣

[ivory rampart]

who knows

i havent had amd driver issues at all

[feral drift]

This is somehow a messurement system I can understand :)

[ivory rampart]

if thats an older graph, that doesnt even factor in the nice performance increase AMD managed to get with dreiver updates

i think the card is now around 8 to 10% faster on average

[feral drift]

Correct, should probably add which driver version the test was done under

But then again - would a regular buyer, even a tech person - know what impact the driver has for a GPU?

[ivory rampart]

no, but drivers either prompt you to update or are auto updated

[glossy glacier]

on problems? sure. on performance? a bit

[feral drift]

Well we don't really care for NVidia's new Vibe Coding Driver Team :D

[glossy glacier]

or microsofts
-# at home at least, at work i have to

[wanton orchid]

the 50 years Microsoft experience in managing to fail to make an office app which does not frick out when you drag text

that's the professional level we are talking

[feral drift]

50 years Microsoft experience, we should have learned that - Computer doesn't do what we tell it to..

In Linux if you do sudo rm -rf /* it will just do that, without asking questions..

[night girder]

Yeah, Linux will do that without asking questions.
Meanwhile also Linux: #off-topic-tech message

[feral drift]

Linux version of... Blue screen of Death :D

[mental oriole]

That's the installer not the os :))

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-ackchyually-actually-gif-11156171

[mental oriole]

Linux version is just kernel panic

[night girder]

I wanted to say, you can't just say Linux. Specify distro. But for the sake of conversation I didn't want to nitpick.
And then you walk in Diluted 🤣

[mental oriole]

[night girder]

Kernel panic with stacktrace?

[feral drift]

Well it still pukes a wall of text all over the terminal...

At least for those who can read, can see what happens..

Windows just say yeah.. Something fucked up, we give you this number - which can mean about 2000 different things.. But you have this number now okay.. Google it or something we dont care

[mental oriole]

Fair 😄

Windows be like "Something happened"

[night girder]

If you get number.

new screen will look like this:

[feral drift]

Yeah depends what time of the month Windows is in its cycle :D

[mental oriole]

Daring of you to be on insiders.

[night girder]

Nah, duckduckgo 😉

[mental oriole]

[night girder]

but I read it in an article they changed the blue screen.

Btw, I used to say; "Nah, I googled that."

What do I say now? I duckduckgoed it?

[mental oriole]

It's blue for normal
green for insiders
orange for something third (don't remember anymore)

[mental oriole]

Looked it up?

[feral drift]

If you call a support person, give them this code
-# STOP CODE: MANUALLY_INITIATED_CRASH

And support person be like..

Yeah lemme google that for you

Like .. Windows why???

[night girder]

How do I start looking this up?

[mental oriole]

The QR code goes to MSDN iirc.

[night girder]

What is the verb for duckduckgoing?

[mental oriole]

ducking?

[night girder]

wait

[mental oriole]

idk

[mental oriole]

I'm just making things up

[feral drift]

So if DuckDuckGo searching is Ducking..

Whats the equal terms for Firefox? :D

[mental oriole]

Burning.

[night girder]

Thanks ...

[feral drift]

Someone got a more sensible mine than mine for sure :D

[mental oriole]

Unless you can figure out soemthing better

[night girder]

Firefox isn't a search engine?

[feral drift]

But it has a Search bar :D

[night girder]

Every browser has 🤣

I safaried. I chromed. I firefoxed 🤣

[feral drift]

I edged this answer :D

[mental oriole]

oh no.

[night girder]

Omg 🙈

Ok, I ducked it.

[feral drift]

DuckFoo'ed it :)

[mental oriole]

I'm gonna duck that one.

[night girder]

It's crazy how dominant google is that it's a verb!

[feral drift]

I only use DuckDuckGo because of the nice Flame button..

Sometimes I just click it for the animation really

[night girder]

Even teachers would say; "Kids, google y or google x..."

[night girder]

That's pretty new, the flame button. I use duckduckgo for privacy as a search engine for a few years now.

[mental oriole]

Does it burn?

[feral drift]

Was actually an empoyee of Novo Nordisk (The small danish medical company, making Wegovy and shit) that showed me DuckDuckGo - it was default browser for empoyees :D

[mental oriole]

Or you get flamed?

[night girder]

I must say, I am pleased with Apple for one thing. When I started the iPhone for the first time, during the setup, it asked me for the browser. And duckduckgo was one of them. So that's a good change imo.

[feral drift]

Shows a nice little burn animation across the browser, and clears your history, cache ect.

[night girder]

And yeah, the flame button on my iPhone. I turned it on by default.

When I close the browser, it nukes everything.

I don't need my iPhone to keep any data anyway.

[mental oriole]

I'm too lazy clearing cache, can't be arsed to log in everytime even with a password manager :)))))

[night girder]

That's the thing, I don't login on my iPhone 😛

[mental oriole]

I should... but I don't.

[mental oriole]

fair case then!

The fact reply ping is still not an option...

[night girder]

I don't know why. I just never do it. Partly for privacy reasons. And security.

And I have a laptop anyway, which is also mobile.

[feral drift]

DuckDuckGo is overwritten my Safari browser on my iPhone..

Simply because Apple started to advertise that they take my privacy serious..

And I was like... Yeah... No you dont

[night girder]

What? I had the opposite experience!

it's my default for two weeks now.

[feral drift]

I don't know.. Its just something in my guts saying that I shouldn't trust Apple when they say they take their users privacy seriously..

Mostly because I associate them with another entity like Facebook(Meta) and Google

Whom lives on our data

[night girder]

Oh, I agree. Still a US company.

[feral drift]

Just searched it.. Argh.. I googled it :D - so Apple apparently partnered with cloudflare to help mask your traffic apparently.

So its 2 relay system..

Apple knows your IP, but doesn't know your content.. (allegedly)
Cloudflare knows your content, but not your IP..

[mental oriole]

Not sure I trust that.

[feral drift]

Hence why I added the (allegedly) :D

[mental oriole]

Never trust big corpos

[verbal raft]

maaannn
ITS SO GOOD to not have windows on a shitty SSD

currently transferring like 110GB to this driver and it doesnt even sweat

on my previous drive if i so much as opened firefox id get 100% usage lol

[feral drift]

Not sure why I thought about this video in regards to the "Shitty SSD".. Back then when SSD was still somewhat new... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96dWOEa4Djs

[pure karma]

thats cool

[verbal raft]

so.. ive finnally gotten my RX 9060 XT 16GB

[glossy glacier]

the most amazing thing is office actually starting so fast xD

[verbal raft]

its certainly a little more chubby than my RX 6600 was..

though it does have to cool 80W more so.. theres that

been playing cyberpunk with FSR 4 and RT phsyco and it looks soooo much better than it did on my 6600 its not even funny..