off-topic-tech

[full tide]

i might get i7k amd ryzgen 7 7800 nivida 4060 ti 64gb or 32gb idk yet @inner shale

[maiden coyote]

I would rather use psig rather than kpa

[full tide]

pc keeps falling out and ya i am going to buy a new one

[maiden coyote]

40psi sounds better than 275.75kpa

[full tide]

and the much time i play on satisfactory as i do

i am quiet mode due to heat atm

[maiden coyote]

Ryzen 7700 would be fine too

Or 9700..

X or x3d

Either one will kickass. until you hit a game engine limits

[elder blaze]

yeah any x3D cpu would be great cause of the vcache

[full tide]

https://pc-builds.com/games/aE/satisfactory

i use dis website and don't worrie i backed up my saves

and backed up everything to make sure

is having 1 4060 ti for satisfactory better for the game or 2

ofc ill put in giant space and giant everything

[elder blaze]

mine is close but it's underestimating the framerate by like 10fps

[full tide]

i use my current one for long hr

and it had been falling out past few days and which is driving me NUTS

[pure karma]

mine is under estimating by about half the real framerate asuming this is in the context of a empty save game

[full tide]

My current world is like huge

[elder blaze]

oh nvm i forgot i am playing the game at 1920x1200 not 2560x1600

[full tide]

and yes i had over 315k foundations

[pure karma]

my 20MB save is getting the performance listed here not an empty world for sure

[pure karma]

i have 260K foundations

but also 3300 Trains

so i win hehe

[full tide]

TELLS mikael

i am on summer of quiet due to heat

so not big on playing atm and 2 pc is kinda falling out

i COULD do the trick that bitz did in FPS video on nivida thingy

[pure karma]

no i just wanted to make sure lets game it out had no chance to steal my record

[full tide]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywg_kvoyVJY dis thingy

[pure karma]

🤣

i want to hit 5K probably as a retirement from the game kinda project

[elder blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/hop-on-satisfactory-satis-factory-gif-13296165766158799746

[charred relic]

Guys I am concerned I will run out of iron ingots...

[elder blaze]

the fact this looks mild in comparison to josh

like how is that gif from the trailer still less insane than his map

[full tide]

i am not playing due to HEAT

[elder blaze]

i can only play after 8pm so that my system doesnt throttle

it was 38 degrees today 💀

[full tide]

which is better 32gb or 64gb

[pure karma]

funny thing is iv still got all the headroom in the world to keep going

[elder blaze]

more ram is always better but 32gb is prob more than enough

[pure karma]

still at 50FPS you know

[full tide]

my world is massive only 19.6mb if i remember

[charred relic]

Most people that need more than 32 know they need it... and why

[elder blaze]

yeah 32 is plenty for any game except some huge 4x games like late game stellaris

ask how i know

[pure karma]

so close except the diffrence is i only have 600 hours in my save

[full tide]

ik windows 11 not windows 10

i have over 2k

nearly 3k

[pure karma]

clearly a more efficient builder than me

[full tide]

i am quiet on factory atm due to heat

[safe trench]

pioneer helmet red thumbnail number 8290039

mew

[pure karma]

iv got the ac on max and it still gets up to 28C in here hehe

but i shall keep pushing anyway

[safe trench]

download more money if you cant afford the latest RTX 6090

[pure karma]

im not excited to see the bill for my new desk

cause i know in the curent economy its probably gona be close to $2K

[full tide]

Pc FALLED out again

[pure karma]

im too much of a living skill issue so i asked a actual professional

[full tide]

Yup again

[pure karma]

plus because of that it wil be done by the end of the week probably

[safe trench]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1159698005235093555/1255186397711826994/togif.gif

[pure karma]

he finished all the desk surfaces earlier today in like 2 hours lol

so i already have a general idea of what its going to end up looking like

[safe trench]

wait people buy from ikea?

im sorry but just get furniture from costco

[night girder]

yes, hot dogs

[full tide]

My pc keeps falling out and I hate it

[night girder]

in my belly

[full tide]

Pc keeps falling out

[pure karma]

falling out of what

[full tide]

Yup

[pure karma]

ik

have you updated your gpu drivers?

[full tide]

It boots then not really

[pure karma]

cuase i had issues for the past week

[full tide]

How do I do that

[pure karma]

the new nvidia app or manual install

for nvidia

and then the radeon software for amd i think

[full tide]

Yup die again

Or not loading correctly

[pure karma]

my 1660 super staring menecingly in the corner: 🤨

corupted bios? maybe

[full tide]

Oh dis happened LAST NIGHT

When I had to leave it alone for 30min

Then it worked until ber

[pure karma]

are you sure your computer dident develop Autophobia

search event viewer in the windows search 🤷‍♂️

[night girder]

how are temps?

[pure karma]

1 step guide on how to open event viewer

[safe trench]

too complex

[pure karma]

lazyness

[elder blaze]

still less complex than making screws

i eat them i dont make them

[full tide]

Does dis still work?

[pure karma]

on a unrelated none iv been goofing around with moding

one thing iv been working on is moding beamNG to stop looking like outdated doo doo but while still keeping the original aesthetic

vulkan 🔥

one thing that would be nice to improve is how pixelated all the textures and shadows in the game are but thats a bit ambitious for my skill level

[safe trench]

how.

[maiden coyote]

2 gpus? No no no no

[full tide]

Huh

[elder blaze]

sli.... those were the days

gtx 780 in sli was my dream as a wee lad

god fucking damn it the 780 is 12 yrs old

i hate the passage of time sometimes

living the high life i see

cough before covid scalping cough

ever since then the gpu market has been anything but fun

prices have never recovered and im still mad about taht

nvidia will continue being allergic to vram

[safe trench]

covid pretty much ed up the entire planet

[pure karma]

mine was 7700K 2080TI sli

[languid gulch]

the vids i've seen of it have shown decent gameplay, just not my style

[pure karma]

and even tho i nerver did it i did manage a 7700K/1070 combo so close enough

[elder blaze]

by then i was already disillusioned with SLI cause of how nvidia was acting at the time

and them really not liking it]

and plus i wasn't the most wee lad by then

yeah amd took a while to gain the trust back after ATI

till way past Vega days

and even now nvidia is still a monopoly even tho they release the ultimate broken slop with the 50 series

i did around the radeon 6000 series releases

[safe trench]

"please daddy nvidia spank me harder!" - average 50 series owner

[elder blaze]

i saw they actually had good and competent gpus at very competent prices

[elder blaze]

the fact that the 50 series caused driver issues on older gpus...\

like for what reason do i need 6 driver updates in 2 MONTHS

now that is a blast from the past

[safe trench]

"sorry my cat ran on the keyboard" - nvidia explaning driver problems

[elder blaze]

no but fr how did nvidia break display port support for an entire 2 weeks

i hate nvidia so much man.

esp with their drivers and their linux support. and their prices... and their allergy to vram.... and their false advertising... and and and

[safe trench]

i cant wait for the ai boom to stop

[elder blaze]

i can complain for hours

[safe trench]

for nvidia

[elder blaze]

as steve from GN would say: "1080 was the best GPU Nvidia ever made! They will not make that mistake ever again."

[languid gulch]

i'm expecting some former nvidia staff to come out and say that the drivers since december have been shit because they've been written with AI since then

[elder blaze]

the fact that amd's ceo and nvidia's ceo are related is still so funny for me

[languid gulch]

yea, first cousins

[languid gulch]

idk how that doesn't breach monopoly or mafia laws everywhere

[safe trench]

vram allergy of nvidia

[elder blaze]

EW VRAM

who needs that

[elder blaze]

lobbying baby

[safe trench]

probably amd fanboys

[elder blaze]

or intel

[safe trench]

whats "infel"?

[languid gulch]

because MBAs aren't gamers & don't know the drivers have been shit

[elder blaze]

man i cant believe that im actually rooting for intel with the arc gpus

they are actually a good deal and dont scam ya on vram

esp the B series

[languid gulch]

wouldn't it be insane to see Intel switch fully over to GPUs, and Nvidia start putting out CPUs

[cerulean mountain]

I read that as femboys 😭

[safe trench]

so essentially politics if they were good?

[elder blaze]

it funnily enough is looking this way with the way intel sales are going and also their cpu division being...

i am anything but a fanboy

for any of these brands. afterall despite everything amd also has awful prices

[languid gulch]

i'm only using nvidia because it was free 🤣

[elder blaze]

i hate the current gpu market

ill prob buy a 7800xt or something second hand at the end of the year or a 9070xt on sale if i get lucky but until then im stuck with my laptop which unfortunately has a 4070

8gb of vram go brr :(

i wish i had hope in the companies changing but for me it's mostly frustration

esp on the people still buying 50 series in droves

[safe trench]

this a good 1440p high card? https://www.amazon.com/XFX-Radeon-Gaming-RDNATM-RX-96TSW16BQ

[elder blaze]

except the 8gb 5060 which great fuck the 5060

[safe trench]

broken link

[elder blaze]

yep

[safe trench]

https://www.amazon.com/XFX-Radeon-Gaming-RDNATM-RX-96TSW16BQ/dp

[elder blaze]

what the dawg doin

[safe trench]

why is it so hard to shorten links

https://www.amazon.com/XFX-Radeon-Gaming-RDNATM-RX-96TSW16BQ/dp/B0FC2XXSG5

[elder blaze]

if you can get it at msrp sure

but you prob wont...

and if it's above msrp might as well get a 9070xt on sale

oh no why is he envied

who's lusting

im confused

[safe trench]

it was like 400 when i saw it

oh

[safe trench]

how much would that be on average

[pure karma]

i am born in evil, fueled by evil, inspired by evil, and create good out of it...

im like a tree

[elder blaze]

well the 9070xt can go much higher cause the partner companies dont sell many msrp gpus but if you find one at 550 then maybe. it would be great, but if you can find a 9060xt close to msrp get it

you didnt make it any clearer lol

[safe trench]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1159698005235093555/1255186397711826994/togif.gif

[elder blaze]

what stories huh

[safe trench]

so this cat?

[elder blaze]

i am so confused 💀

[pure karma]

stories of the good old days presumably

[elder blaze]

imagine giving context 💀

ok but what about back in 2000

why was it all so cryptic lol

i cant read between the lines you need to be straightforward lol

i am not american enough for this convo if an HOA is involved

i am too european to relate to that

[languid gulch]

🤣

[elder blaze]

there is no version in my country

i've never had to deal with an HOA

[languid gulch]

just watch John Olliver's episode on HOAs & you'll get it

[elder blaze]

or anythign of the like

[elder blaze]

i know what hoas are and how evil they are but i still dont get the back in 2000 thing

and also the references. why not just say it straightup lol

[languid gulch]

oh HOAs even up until not too long ago were blatantly about racism

[elder blaze]

maybe im just obtuse (and sleep deprived) but it all seems too vague

[cerulean mountain]

Am I evil for exploding lizard doggos

[elder blaze]

even now you mean in some areas

[languid gulch]

oh definitely

they're just not allowed to say it/print it

[elder blaze]

lizard doggo on doggo violence aint permitted

[cerulean mountain]

Oh

[elder blaze]

[languid gulch]

why, did you invent a doggo RPG or something

[safe trench]

no infact i support you

good job

[cerulean mountain]

No I just put a bomb on them and watch as they run away then explode them

[elder blaze]

what's next? attacking the flying manta?

[cerulean mountain]

Ummmmmm

[elder blaze]

how much cruelty can this planet take D:

[languid gulch]

iirc the soviets did that in WW2

[cerulean mountain]

Well I can't attack the flying manta currently

[languid gulch]

lol yup
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-tank_dog

[cerulean mountain]

Very cruel yet smart

[languid gulch]

until very stupid because the soviets trained them with soviet tanks, so they'd run past the german panzers & take out the T-34s

[cerulean mountain]

Lol

I don't sleep

Only work

[languid gulch]

i still find it insane that us in the US really aren't taught too much about it or WW1 in school. i had to learn about it myself

[safe trench]

you still have smokey with you

[safe trench]

trust me kids WAY too young for that already teach themselves about it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/903266443662098482/1385460837480927343/attachment.gif

[languid gulch]

lol

[cerulean mountain]

Y'know I'm tempted to do the let's game it out treatment to lizard doggos

[elder blaze]

i was a history kid too but i never assumed i knew more than the teachers lol

[safe trench]

do it!

[elder blaze]

i still am a history kid lol i love learning about history

[languid gulch]

like once a year i'll rewatch a 10hr UK documentary on the First World War, just to remind myself of how stupid & crazy people can be

[cerulean mountain]

Should I also make my factory like him too

[elder blaze]

remember that it was a fight betweenn cousins

[safe trench]

because now they think they know more about their teachers because they google stuff up and have an insanely strong ww2 germany bias

[elder blaze]

prideful stupid cousins that caused millions to die

[safe trench]

isnt that just politicians dream job?

[elder blaze]

current US gov would totally never

[safe trench]

mhm!

[elder blaze]

(not getting political now cause i could complain about parallels for hours but this aint the right place or time for it)

[cerulean mountain]

Tell that to the orangutan in office

[elder blaze]

just to note i am not suicidal and will not epstein myself

[safe trench]

LO

[elder blaze]

(tell my sister ill miss her)

[safe trench]

very nessecary choice of wording obviously

[elder blaze]

i've said so much shit online that if i even thought to travel to the US i would get arrested mid-flight

i am genuinely at risk of deportation and worse cause of my stance of the current regime

[safe trench]

we should absolutely not be sharing the jdvance pictures!

[elder blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/elon-musk-this-is-elon-musk-musk-tesla-egifmeme-gif-13716021226937735268

or this

he totally threw his heart out

totally didn't make his AI call itself mechah*tler and harrass the twitter CEO so bad she resigned this week

[safe trench]

i love how this just turned into a chat of us making fun of politicans

[elder blaze]

it's my favourite past time other than promoting communist ideals (respecting your neighbour and free healthcare) and automationn game

at cool math games

[safe trench]

just ask mechah*tler!

[languid gulch]

admitting that he was using drugs here while chatting with the customs officer wasn't a smart move

[cerulean mountain]

+ = very fun time

[elder blaze]

the fact the bot even now sounds like it distains musk is so fun

and that it went "woke" 4 times!

[safe trench]

"Hey mechah*tler, be less woke."

[elder blaze]

or how it said that the cons are living in a fantasy

[safe trench]

was it not obvious?
with all his crashouts

[languid gulch]

i mean yea

but also, don't mention felony drug use with federal officials

[elder blaze]

i dont abuse drugs ii love drugs

[cerulean mountain]

I'm scared of my friend, I showed them a pic of a lizard doggo and asked what they would do to it and I don't think I can say what they said here

[languid gulch]

cook 'em?

[cerulean mountain]

Worst

[languid gulch]

ew

[safe trench]

oh

[languid gulch]

furries ruin everything

[safe trench]

antifurries even more

[elder blaze]

should i nurture drugs instead?

[safe trench]

particulary the more "I HATE ALL FURRIES AND HOPE THEY DIE" kind of anti furries

[elder blaze]

do my own schedule1 type company?

[safe trench]

they are all no older than 9

[languid gulch]

oh i'm not one of those. but some furries definitely go too far

everything in moderation

[elder blaze]

ok selling them instead

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-markiplier-gif-14835823

[pure karma]

Satisheatery

[elder blaze]

it was 36+ today for me D:

37 tomorrow :c

[pure karma]

inside???!!

[elder blaze]

inside was worse

[languid gulch]

what about it

[cerulean mountain]

What's that in fahrenheit

[languid gulch]

80

[cerulean mountain]

That's not bad

[pure karma]

yea sounds about right

[languid gulch]

yea that's what i keep my A/C at

it's 42 outside rn, ~6pm local

[safe trench]

80 isnt that bad

[pure karma]

the ac is set at 20C rn

[elder blaze]

for me it was 96 in Fries units and UV index of 9

[pure karma]

so 7 over is a lot

[elder blaze]

and HUMID

[cerulean mountain]

Don't die

[safe trench]

right i forgot you guys are europeans

[cerulean mountain]

Pioneers don't grow on trees

[elder blaze]

too late

[languid gulch]

108F was the high today, UV index 11

[elder blaze]

most people use C(ommie) units and not F(ries) units

[elder blaze]

that will be me on friday i fear

[languid gulch]

🤣

it's actually cooled off from last week

[safe trench]

did you dare make fun of the freedomobile?

[elder blaze]

yes

[safe trench]

death.

[languid gulch]

half the hp is for the A/C

[elder blaze]

hey be glad i didn't call them F*scist units

[safe trench]

its 2900 loo

[cerulean mountain]

I call them freedom units

[elder blaze]

i used to. until like 2016

[safe trench]

at least not J*B Appliation units

[elder blaze]

i wonder what happen

[languid gulch]

lol

[elder blaze]

DUDE PUT A WARNING

[languid gulch]

harambe happened

[elder blaze]

dont givve us a heart attack like that

[safe trench]

im getting banned arent i

[elder blaze]

fly high

[elder blaze]

NSFL

@ mods he's posting nsfl content on chat

https://tenor.com/view/job-job-application-jobless-gif-2757097081210871087

[pure karma]

https://tenor.com/view/intel-dead-inside-logo-gif-16821712

[languid gulch]

too low density for mass transit

[safe trench]

ok zro ur getting banned.

[cerulean mountain]

AHHHHHHHHHHH

[elder blaze]

me rn

[safe trench]

i miss intel inside

[elder blaze]

it was an honour to be here

[safe trench]

what even is intels thing now

[elder blaze]

back when intel wasn't 250W degrading cpus

[safe trench]

i also miss think different

[elder blaze]

or just unimpressive cpus now

i still miss my pentium 4 system man

[safe trench]

and the old squarespace

[languid gulch]

the balls they have doing that pricing is impressive

[elder blaze]

that shit was peak

[safe trench]

at least they arent meat riding the same dead socket

[elder blaze]

OEMs are even dropping them

[safe trench]

that was my old pfp
just the more modern one

[pure karma]

i wanted to print this as a sticker to slap onto my pc but i nerver did lol

[languid gulch]

OUCHIE

[elder blaze]

that's when you know their wallets are gonna hurt

[pure karma]

oh i remember

[elder blaze]

i mean they did lay off another 9k employees this month

[cerulean mountain]

Why do I have men kissing saved in my camera roll

[elder blaze]

man the intel falloff over the past 5 years have been impressive

esp over the last 2

[elder blaze]

that's normal wdym

[maiden coyote]

To each their own

[languid gulch]

whodathunk that literally melting your product wouldn't be good for business

[elder blaze]

noway since when

[languid gulch]

🤣

[elder blaze]

it's clearly user fault :>

[cerulean mountain]

Oh ok

[elder blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/cpu-cpu-kill-gif-22236310

should i go eat icecream at 3am\

it's still 24 degrees outside

[elder blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/i5-boom-gif-16841754014278302923

[safe trench]

thats how i assembled my pc
idk why its thermal throttling

[elder blaze]

what did you think i was

[elder blaze]

i literally said so earlier

[elder blaze]

OUCH

[languid gulch]

water cooled network cables 🤣

[elder blaze]

this photo continues to haunt me

[maiden coyote]

Packet leakage

[elder blaze]

i swear every time i forget it someone posts it

[elder blaze]

NOT THIS VID

im not pressing play again

[pure karma]

disco ball cpu

[safe trench]

mojang needs more respect for their long game updates with minecraft

[elder blaze]

i remember the pain

[languid gulch]

GIF THEN

[safe trench]

YES

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457105940844380160/1394481155830714368/ezgif-6-aeb20d965d.gif

[elder blaze]

😭

[maiden coyote]

Mmm the PGA to lga conversion

Takes all of 15 seconds with a soldering iron.

[pure karma]

atleast my 280W bomb of a cpu has no pins to break

[safe trench]

i love it when people complain about minecraft updates being too small

[pure karma]

although thats no longer a flex sadly

[safe trench]

when they fucking paied 30$ for a whole 15 years of game updates

[languid gulch]

bomb you say?

[elder blaze]

only thing i wish was different was the bundles recently tbh

also the phantom winning still haunts me

[elder blaze]

mmm gn gif

toasty

[elder blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/stephen-burke-gamersnexus-gamer-nexus-white-board-explaining-meme-gif-6131883423390994396

[elder blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/thanks-steve-intel-gamers-nexus-thanks-steve-gif-2570818544130153718

[languid gulch]

lol that timing

[pure karma]

TOO MANY STEVES

[safe trench]

https://tenor.com/view/look-at-this-graph-nickelback-gif-12683147

[pure karma]

im going to explode

[cerulean mountain]

I... Am..... STEVE

[elder blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-better-than-dell-gamers-nexus-steve-gn-better-than-dell-gif-4113752311040353247

[elder blaze]

the fact that dell actually has better prebuilts now than bloody corsair is bonkers

[elder blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-scott-dying-reverb-vaping-gif-22032956

[safe trench]

the gif spamming makes we want to eatid an abobr

[elder blaze]

i never switched off it

[safe trench]

same loo
i used to glaze opera

[elder blaze]

been using it since.... since i moved off internet explorer

[safe trench]

i love it

[elder blaze]

other than a small stint using brave

and a smalls stint using libre

[safe trench]

i only dislike the fact how one of my exetensions arent on there

[elder blaze]

and testing opera and uninstalling

[cerulean mountain]

Why did I see men cuddling when I searched up satisfactory in gifs

[elder blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-socks-gross-disgusting-foot-gif-6662447972867821962

[safe trench]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/981545444448542800/1394133633798766773/attachment.gif

[elder blaze]

i saw women kissing

[cerulean mountain]

Same

[elder blaze]

owl house is great tho

[maiden coyote]

The irony is... the moment you step away from consumer... dell is the best

[elder blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/lumity-kiss-satisfactory-gif-25850937

[languid gulch]

Dell has great monitors

[elder blaze]

dell workstations are beasts

[cerulean mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/get-on-satisfactory-satisfactory-get-on-homie-kissing-boys-gif-23206209

[elder blaze]

but dell consumer laptops and prebuilts...

fuck those

i still have a dell workstation with a xeon cpu at my sister's place i cant wait to get it once i get a proper place with more room

it's a decade old but hey

[pure karma]

last 4 gens of cpu can be overclocked beyond safe and thats always fun

its not a flaw its a feature

[safe trench]

oct being on linux is massive

[elder blaze]

mmm i can feel the heat

[maiden coyote]

Idrac is really good too

[safe trench]

you know what else is massive?

[elder blaze]

who needs a space heater in the winter when they have intel

[languid gulch]

oh yards as measurement sucks unless you're on a game field of some kind

[pure karma]

FEEL IT

MOAARRR

[elder blaze]

MORE

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[languid gulch]

ha

[cerulean mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/twink-femboy-cat-meme-random-gif-13217585783864317140
Why do I have this saved

[safe trench]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/981545444448542800/1394134337770881044/attachment.gif

[elder blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-cpu-cooking-cpu-gif-22372721

[safe trench]

"twink femboy cat meme random gif"

[elder blaze]

dont traumatize me with vertappen again

i already lived 4 years in the netherlands hearing his name after EVERY. SINGLE. RACE

bars literally filled to watch the races

[safe trench]

well thats over

[elder blaze]

if i see his face one more time it will be too soon

[safe trench]

looo
they will show every sport but motorsport on tvs

[elder blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/boykisser-i-smell-a-boykisser-gif-11265875781434974934

[cerulean mountain]

How did you know

[elder blaze]

i've literally been dragged to a bar when a race of his started by classmates in my game design uni

so either the bar has a subscription for whatever service shows the races or idk

but i have seen the races

more than once

[pure karma]

https://tenor.com/view/rigby-freaky-cat-cat-meme-tongue-out-gif-1492882876567450372

[elder blaze]

i never bothered to watch an F1 race once alone

[elder blaze]

rigby my beloved

[safe trench]

i wish i was you
well i watched it more than once

[cerulean mountain]

Kidnapping no no I called that "convincing" a person to come with you forever
Hmmmm idk why I have this saved

[elder blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/dahliabunni-road-to-eldorado-gif-22680837

[cerulean mountain]

I have a gift for you

[elder blaze]

alright it's 4am i've yapped here for 4+ hrs ill go eat something quick then sleep

[elder blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-feline-meme-funny-gif-8764472215214951735

[safe trench]

ok this chat sucks now ima head out

[cerulean mountain]

K

[elder blaze]

damn without me the chat is joever /s

https://tenor.com/view/rabbit-bnuuy-bunny-rabbits-bunnies-gif-17716021220906294954

anyway grass is green and it's ok to kiss your homies if you have crocs in sports mode

[cerulean mountain]

Ugh I tried to take a pic of my factory but it's too foggy

[elder blaze]

unfog it

[cerulean mountain]

Ohh right

That's smart

What

[pure karma]

i use firefox with google search out of spite for both of them

they are both forced to befriend there rival

[charred relic]

Got one of those Govee RBIC 2 table lamps when it was on sale 30%... nice stuff

Don't wanna try to pet the fox around here

they're bitey 🙂

At night you almost think you're looking at a cat... but it's way too big to be a cat lol

Domestic cats here have to keep their head on a swivel if they're outside the house

I can't pet them.. but I love my foxes regardless 😄

Just got done relocating a spiderpal 😄

Wolfie, big one too

It was friendly enough 🙂

Jumpers are still my fave... they look at you almost like "wait you no try squish, me love you"

I hear a fox makes an interesting pet since they're both kinda like dogs but also kinda like cats

I just like pretty much anything with fur...

A spooders... love my spooder friends

"ermahgurd you're going to pick that thing up"

uhhh yeah...

If it was very tame... at that size fangs are dangerous lol

Puncture wounds can be nasty bleeders

Not to mention at that size I'd assume it's venom is potent enough to take down at least prey equal in size... and likely much larger 😄

same

err um what

[maiden coyote]

This doesn't look good..

[pure karma]

rip

[charred relic]

whatever those traces are fine.. 😄

chip legs are fine... just needs some good old fashioned elbow grease

wonder if my 1.5 million iron ingots are done... need those you know...

still 1.4 mil to go lol

Only have 4... or was it 5 SAG mills or furnaces in a cluster and only one of each has a pattern for that

It'll work it's way through it eventually SHRUG

[safe trench]

fixed

[full tide]

With dis pci thing i have i7k amd 9800x3d nivida 4070 ti and tons of storage and ssd space
64gb of ram idk
can i run dese games
Games i play are :
Satisfactory
Farm sim 22 and 25
minecraft and minecraft modpacks
ets2 and ats both truck sims
cookie clicker
lego games working on now lego potter collection

@inner shale

[safe trench]

4070ti isnt that good

rather get an amd

[full tide]

so what grapichs then

just to hold me in summer maxeek

[safe trench]

9070xt

get it on sale
550 on average

[full tide]

1 or 2

[safe trench]

what

[full tide]

graphics card

https://pc-builds.com/fps-calculator/result/1Ek1y4/aE/satisfactory/1920x1080/ dis says i can run it with everything maxed 78FPS

but ill do the bitz trick

[full tide]

graphics card and how many and ill add a tons of space and ssd space

[safe trench]

what do you mean

you can only get 1 graphics card

[full tide]

how much FPS can i get with my current rig

like if i had all of that in it

my pc went off and on most of the day and i was fighting with that all yesterday

[glossy glacier]

While crosssfire is still possible, consume space is mostly one GPU now. Especially for gaming
(Except if you have a specific use case for two)

[charred relic]

Fortunately some of the more mild fetures that boost frames doesn't bother me like it does some... I have my SF on ultra on a 6750XT

@3440 × 1440

yeah guess google pissed a lot of folks off eh

Mo money mo problems

[languid gulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ila98j_fdv0

bratheth

[feral drift]

Not saying he could be that kid in Finding Nemo.. But...

[languid gulch]

at least he's been thru it before

he knows what he's in for

[verbal raft]

fps calculators are useless

[twin dew]

Well, if they were based on actual data, not.
But all of them make wild assumptions and interpolations, leading to completely useless "data"

[verbal raft]

i dont think RDNA 4 supports crossfire

[verbal raft]

if i take the performance of my RX 6600 in this game at 1080p ultra (foliage heavy area too) and i multiply that by how much faster the 9070 XT is then i get 111fps

it also thinks that the 9800X3D would be the bottleneck

[verbal raft]

then if i select a 6600 + R5 5500 it says that at 1080p ultra id get 70fps

and that there'd be a 4.6% bottleneck

[verbal raft]

even though i actually only get 37fps on avarage (in the red forest anyway)

[dire igloo]

And even with actual data, it would either require a lot of specificity (one game, fixed settings) or it'd be too inaccurate

Then again "what fps can I expect in RDR2 on High preset in QHD with this PCPP list of hardware"

It's narrow but not unrealistically narrow

It becomes an issue if you're expecting the site to know every single game in existence or if you want to know expected performance in yet to be released titles

[dire igloo]

And in the case of satisfactory:
The performance you get is immensely reliant on the size of your savefile

The later you are in the game, the more your fps will suffer.
That's just the nature of sandbox games

[night girder]

Holy fuck this is turning into some black mirror shit this discord

So if you watch adds, you get a virtual coins that you can spend ina virtual shop for a virtual chat app

this is so messed up

[twin dew]

One of the better ad monetization schemes when not constantly popping up.

[dire igloo]

If not having ads (including promo for watching ads) remains the default, I am perfectly okay with it.
Give me the option to choose watching ads and give me a reward for it.
That's revenue for you and an in-app benefit for me

And if you notice that people don't watch the ads:
do NOT push these ads onto everyone, just increase the reward

[dire igloo]

This is how I want ad monetization to be implemented

[dire igloo]

heh, imagine a mobile game that introduced ad-exclusive cosmetics

[feral drift]

Can see it has been discussed, so sorry for reviving this.. But Ubisoft.. What the actual F... That Section 8 in their EULA.. (Delete/Destroy copies, when their games discontinues ect.)

I'm sorta curious to see how platforms like Steam and GOG will respond to this.

[dire igloo]

Hasn't GOG always insisted about never using online DRM?
Without that, no way any Ubisoft game could get voided

Steam idk about

[charred relic]

Enjoy your dystopian future. Many have worked very hard for a very long time to build it for you 🙂

[dire igloo]

You will own nothing

[night girder]

How can nobody see the dangers of pushing adds for rewards?

Oh rright ... nobody has kids in here

If kids get addicted to watching ads for stupid discord coins I am going to say "told you so".

[charred relic]

The architect's have worked... many decades to proide it.

[night girder]

Like I ssaid, black mirror stuff. Watch it. Learn it.

[dire igloo]

I literally just said that pushing ads is a no?

[charred relic]

And that... you will very much own 🙂

[mental oriole]

Gonna guess we're talking about the new orbs crap?

[night girder]

they are doing it!

[twin dew]

Been used in many mobile games already for years?

[dire igloo]

Offering to watch ads is something else

[night girder]

The fact they say "Hey, if you watch ads we give rewardss" is doign exactly that.

Kids have no limits, they want to shiny things on discord.

[charred relic]

cackles maniacally

[night girder]

So they start watching ads like braindead zombies for a stupid virtual coin.

That's not how it works and we know it. Even steam has the thing "if you watch recommend games in your queue, you get a free sticker" ...

[mental oriole]

Ye no thanks. I can live without that sticker.

[charred relic]

A virtual...sticker

[mental oriole]

As of others though...

[night girder]

Good argument Baldur. So that make this all ok. And nullifies everything I said?

[dire igloo]

It's the same logic behind in-game purchases incentivizing kids to steal their parent's credit card.

The danger isn't in the fact it's a thing, the danger is in how it is implemented and how parents handle it (tho 95% implementation and only 5% parenting)

[charred relic]

I mean even a real sticker I haven't been excited about since I was like 8 so...

[night girder]

Ok, you are a parent. What do you do? Is there a parental control to turn this off for kids?

[twin dew]

Point is that the data has already been generated in that space on the actual effects.

[dire igloo]

No. It means that you have a reference point to check if what you're saying is actually an issue or if it's just fearmongering

[night girder]

How is discord = mobile game.

Man, wtf is this for an argument 🤣

[dire igloo]

Teach my kids about media literacy, not allow them to violate Discord TOS

[night girder]

And I've never had a mobile game, forcing me to watch ads, for a virtual coin.

[dire igloo]

Who the fuck said that discord FORCES you?!

[charred relic]

It really isn't going to be a great show... exciting times!

[dire igloo]

The whole point is that it's VOLUNTARY

[night girder]

Right, how else do you get the coin Firtewsorker?

[dire igloo]

You CAN watch ads if you WANT TO and you get a reward in exchange

[night girder]

If there are noi other ways to get the coin, it's kinda forcing.

You want this? you have to do this.

[twin dew]

And lot of very broadly played free-to-play mobile games out there, even specifically for kids, that have rewards behind watching ads in the game.

[night girder]

Same with the steam stickers, if you want those stickers, only one way to get them afaik.

[twin dew]

Or even actual playtime.

[dire igloo]

You go into the in-app store, you go to the "add virtual currency section" and you pick the option "get free coins for watching ads"

[charred relic]

whew don't care about any of that shit

dodged a bullet -fist pump-

[night girder]

I said how else ... another option.

You say it's not forcing. I say; if there is only 1 way to get the coin, isn't that softly forcing?
You want the banana avatar for 3 discord coins? You have to watch 3 ads. Only way to get discord coins.

[charred relic]

seriously though enjoy the dystopian future, we didn't hoard everything for nothin ya know

[night girder]

Now if you can get discord coins by just being active in a community etc. Then it's different.

[twin dew]

Watch ads, or don't get the stuff.
Better than forcing ads on everyone?

[night girder]

I am not sure about that at all. I agree with the "better than forcing ads on everyone".

[charred relic]

What if I told you that eventually... people will thank them for the ads.

[night girder]

But I am not sure if this whole "watch ads get rewarded" is the right way forward. Especially when we know kids use discord.

[charred relic]

https://tenor.com/view/hungry-please-sir-may-i-have-some-more-oliver-mark-lester-poor-gif-7821643

[feral drift]

Considering Discord is free - then the amount of Ads they throw down our throat - I'd say its fairly modest imho

[night girder]

Enshitification.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification

[charred relic]

That is called online evolution

It's happened since days of old... before the internet heh

Things are all the rage... until they aren't.

[feral drift]

Well thats why services like Discord shift from time to time..

From my own experience, using mIRC, then ICQ, then Messenger, then Skype and now Discord

[night girder]

Whole section in the settings.

[night girder]

mIRC was the stuff 😄

[feral drift]

But yeah.. Its just untill the next big thing comes along for daily socializing - which does it better than Discord - then it would overtake Discord..

[charred relic]

Things did used to be a bit more stable. Possibly becuase there weere far fewer options to do things with euqally as few new things being seen on the hoirzon

[night girder]

and then it will become Discord. That's how it goes.

[charred relic]

but sooner or later something comes along to displace whatever it is you're doing heh

[feral drift]

Yes.. Its how the world works :P

[charred relic]

Myspace is a stark somewhat modern example

all the rage... until it wasn't....

[night girder]

There is a bit of backlash. Discord is losing popularity slowly.

[feral drift]

However... I sincerly doubt that Discord throwing these "events" like this 2-3 times a year is gonna make peoples blood boil enough to make them make the next Discord

[charred relic]

I wonder how many active FB users know that place is already one foot in the grave. They'll have the aging demo crisis to deal with

[night girder]

Eh... bound to happen eventually.

[charred relic]

Doesn't seem younger folks care aobut FB... not surprising.

[night girder]

Don't forget that Discord has a new CEO Humam Sakhnini

[feral drift]

Well thats cuz your parents and grand parents are following your life on FB :D Who wants that being a teenager

[night girder]

And he was CEO of Activision Blizzard.

But I guess nobody wants to know that little fact ... ||copium?||

[charred relic]

That's why you create you own language

[feral drift]

Well then Discords downfall is bound to happen - in multiplicable speed

[night girder]

Atleast we got steam chat.

[feral drift]

Think its time to revive ICQ..

[charred relic]

ICQ... the app that decided it would add a crapton of features nobody asked for whilst not fixing most of the ones people bitched about

:/

[night girder]

I want xfire back.

It tracked how many hours you played what game, who played what. Friend list. Chat. Join game through xfire.
It was amazing piece of software. Actually, kinda the predecessor of Discord.

[charred relic]

AOL instant messenger was huge for a bit...

[night girder]

Oh and as you can see, not a single ad in the xfire 😄

[charred relic]

But AOL had a crapton of users it allowed you to talk to... and that whole type of communication still had the "new car scent" heh

[feral drift]

Any services is nice.. Until they get consumed by corporation..

[charred relic]

AOL was one of the most insecure companies heh

[dire igloo]

There's a difference between a hype dying out and a product actively being made worse.

Only exception is if the product is community engagement - then your product needs a community to be good quality.
Platforms aren't that tho - they're platform. A platform with no users is boring, but it can still a good platform, albeit not an enjoyable one.
The counterpoint to that is when a good platform with lots of users becomes a worse platform despite no reduction in user count - THAT is what people call enshittification.

[charred relic]

One of the sayings was "So easy to hack no wonder it's number 1"

(the saying was it's so easy to use)

[dire igloo]

Which doesn't inherently mean Discord is any worse of a product btw, at least in the sense that the app and everything on the technical side hasn't become worse.

It's worse in the sense that it can't be used as a community platform due to the lack of a community - which you can't blame the platform for as long as the platform didn't make itself worse first

[feral drift]

I never used Xfire - Think either MSN or Skype was around when Xfire was a "thing"

[night girder]

yup it was

because I used msn back then too. And teamspeak. I believe.

[feral drift]

Ah yeah.. Ventrilo and Teamspeak too

[night girder]

it's already funny how the younger generation don't even see the potentional issues with these kind of practices.

"Yeah, what's the harm?" 🤣

[feral drift]

Think I've just become old enough to say fuck it.. I'd just jump the bandwagon when the next thing comes along.. Or stick to this and deal with the "consequences"

[night girder]

wonder when EU will wake up, and start banning these things to protect the young ones.

they already baned a lot for mobile games in EU.

especially in my country.

[dire igloo]

Exactly - those are two very crucial assumptions you made:
The rewards are desirable and the only way to get them is through ads.

Tho the most common alternative is IRL money which isn't much better tbh

And let's face it: kids don't get addicted to watching ads, they get addicted to the constant stream of novelty

[night girder]

psychology man ... need to look into that

[feral drift]

Well - Roblox should be banned first of all then..

And yet I let my kid play Roblox, because thats where she socializes with her friends..

[night girder]

also this;

[night girder]

Does it have gambling mechanics?

[dire igloo]

Also, a lot of old people often don't see how the world has changed and that the things they hold dearly wouldn't work in today's time

[charred relic]

Well just look at the bright side... kidding there isn't one!

[quasi citrus]

true, it came after wc3 times

[feral drift]

Roblox is a framework if anything.. Where people make their own games - using that framework..

It doesn't have IRL Gambling.. But I'd most likely say it has some games that uses a gambling mechanic..

[dire igloo]

There is so much harm in the world that at some point you just pick your poison.

If I sat next to an alcoholic in a bar, I too would say "yeah, what's the harm?" - unlike with a smoker.
On the flipside, I'd rather have a chain-smoker drive me in his car than an alcoholic

[night girder]

A week ago you were pro piracy, becauser fuck corp. Now you defending corpo for predatory behavior with ads.
Makes sense.

[dire igloo]

Which isn't EU legislation, it's country

[night girder]

Oh and fuck everyone who gets fired if a company gets bankrupt for piracy, their own fault. Should have had abetter business model. (not my opinion, someone elses in here).

But it's ok to show ads to kids for a virtual coins though 👍 with 10 other monetization mechanics.

You ethical compass, is a bermuda triangle to me, no sense at all.

[feral drift]

If its any consultation Letterdief :)

Youtube used to have ads running for 1 hour, before they video would play..

So if you during dinner preparation had your kids chill at the TV watching CocoMelon, suddenly they were stuck watching an ad for why working at Amazon Warehouse is a good thing :D

[charred relic]

I'd just love to see a breakdown of how much the game industry has spent on anti piracy vs how much actually saved

because they have always tried to stop it, and people have always been able to get it

[dire igloo]

I'm not defending corpo behavior, that's utter bullshit.
I'm saying that people always point to the good old times and are just so detached from reality they don't realize that the world we live in doesn't work like that.

If you complain about enshittification, be realistic.
You won't get the product you want because the world doesn't work like that any more.
So instead of demanding better products, demand a better system so that good products can thrive

[charred relic]

I found out I can go up to 5 gibabit

[night girder]

I love my adblocker 😄

[feral drift]

Sensible me would say why??

Yet, nerdy me say.. Do it :D

[sterile plinth]

man, I have some external seagate hdd i bought like 6 years ago and, while it shows up on windows device manager, it doesn't recognize the disk's existence in the disk manager at all

[dire igloo]

Here are your alternatives:

• product dies out due to lack of revenue
• product shows ads involuntary
• product becomes literally unusable without ads

If you have a better idea to monetize a product, go ahead.
But voluntary ads in exchange for something is one of the best ways I've seen yet.

The issue here isn't the way this monetization works.
It's that there has to be monetization for the product to exist.

Also: you are once again assuming that people would want those digital goods and that ads are the only way to get them.

And the "kids" you are talking about are all 13+ years old according to Discord TOS. Anyone younger than that would be protected by a well-implemented age restriction

[sterile plinth]

It's weird because the HDD has been spinning for a total of maybe 10 hours in its entire lifetime

[charred relic]

Well sensible me says I should do the 10 bucks more to go from 600 to 1000... and that for 5 gigabit I need a new LAN

[sterile plinth]

just for backups once a year

[night girder]

Bro, I am not assuming.

[charred relic]

Considering my LAN gear only does half that

[night girder]

If the feature was DOA, they wouldn't push it.

[charred relic]

5 gigabit is 250/month lol

[night girder]

The fact they release the feature is;

1. they invesstigated it,
2. they tested it,
3. they do see it as viable for ad revenue.

[charred relic]

1 gigabit... 85

[night girder]

they don't pay a team to build a feature, without any of these things.

And that with 5 other ways Disdcord wants money.

Do you see YouTube pull of this shit? Or google?

[charred relic]

Hell I'd just use that as an excuse to go fiber on the LAN if I did it

[dire igloo]

It's very simple actually:
It's a compass. It works the same in every context but shows different directions.

If you're facing south, the compass shows backwards.
You're applying my compass from your viewpoint and get confused by the fact it doesn't always point in the same direction

[night girder]

No, I am fully aware why I am confused.

I said that your compas TO ME is a bermuda triangle.

[dire igloo]

The common baseline is this:
We live in a capitalist dystopia.

If you don't complain about the system, stop complaining about its symptoms.

[sterile plinth]

what is the conversation even about

[night girder]

Discord coins. For watching ads. Good or bad?

[dire igloo]

Capitalism and how online services make money

[sterile plinth]

what are the coins used for?

[dire igloo]

Cosmetics

Discord avatar borders n shit

[night girder]

I don't like the way this is heading with these type of ads. A bit like black mirror. Fireworker2000 does.

[sterile plinth]

cosmetics that were previously accessible only through real life money?

[dire igloo]

It's unclear whether they are exclusively obtainable through ads

[sterile plinth]

or cosmetics that were previously free and now require ads

[dire igloo]

I enjoy pointing out the flaws of capitalism, but I don't enjoy people complaining about the symptoms without addressing the systemic issue

[night girder]

I am just vocal about "Euh, is this really the right way?"

[dire igloo]

What if it's neither and it's brand new cosmetics only accessible through ads?

[sterile plinth]

in that case I wouldn't mind

[dire igloo]

I don't think there were any like these in Discord btw

[sterile plinth]

Discord has long made it clear that any fancy cosmetics are only accessible through nitro

[dire igloo]

Well, what are the alternatives?

How would you want discord to make money?

[night girder]

Arre you serious right now?

I posted that minutes ago. Pick your poison.

[charred relic]

consume product, wait for next products

[night girder]

How can you say; "how does discord else make money"

when they have 5-6 things ALREADY IN PLACE.

Are we talking about the same discord here?

[dire igloo]

It's one of the best ways to make money from a digital service (aside from like donationware and reasonable freemium)

[sterile plinth]

from my understanding, these ads are simply an alternative to paying. Everything in discord can be bought anyway

providing an alternative can never really hurt

[night girder]

People boost servers to pay for server costs.

People buy nitro to unlock features.

Then you have gifts, subscriptioons and now quests and other stuff with ads?

[dire igloo]

So uhhhhhh
Freemium? Four of these things are just entirely Nitro with the fifth being partly Nitro and partly on-demand freemium

You can't think that all five of these are different monetization strats

[sterile plinth]

nitro is the only one that actually gives non-cosmetic perks

[night girder]

That's Nitro. Server boosting. And seperate shop. (3)

[feral drift]

Imho I dont mind paying YT, Spotify ect. for not having to deal with Ads..

[sterile plinth]

for me its revanced/ublock all the way

[night girder]

Because you can buy that toilet ocollection.

For real money. Regardless of nitro or server boosting.

Seperate feature. Seperate monetization.

[dire igloo]

You literally are.
Your entire criticism of this model relies on those assumptions I mentioned earlier.

If you can get the discord coins through other means, people won't be "forced" to watch the ads.
And if the cosmetics are undesirable, nobody would want to endure an ad for them, let alone pay IRL money.
And if the age restriction was enforced reliably, children under 13 wouldn't even be on Discord.

[sterile plinth]

Thats all largely cosmetic, the problem with a service making you watch ads / pay for features is if those features make your experience better and are being locked behind a paywall

[feral drift]

Wait did anyone say Diablo Immortal??

[sterile plinth]

If you are being forced to watch ads for a new banner or pfp border, just don't watch them

[night girder]

Regardless of it being cosmetic. They have different flows of revenue.

And now they ad a extra one. Ads.

So if you tell me; "poor poor Discord needs money" I tell you; then what are x features doing? Nothing?

And if you tell me, the feature is DOA, I don't buy it.

[dire igloo]

No, they just shove ads down your throat without anything in exchange.
Hell, YouTube and Spotify even work based on freemium while they force ads on you.

[sterile plinth]

honestly, i don't think it would bother me enough to care. At the end of the day all businesses are greedy

As long as discord's greediness doesn't get in the way of me using their service its fine for me

[night girder]

www.youtube.com/premium

1 subscription.

[sterile plinth]

google is a shitty company

didn't they ban adblocker extensions on chrome completely

to increase their revenue

[dire igloo]

Gifts are just paying for someone else's Nitro.
Boosts are included in Nitro but can be bought separately too.
Subscriptions I have no clue what it actually is but it can only be about Nitro because there are no other subscriptions on Discord.

And the quest system is the only actual non-Nitro revenue stream - one which I think is a good idea that got implemented too obnoxiously

[night girder]

Google is going to merge ChromeOS and Android to one platform too.

[sterile plinth]

shitty as in morally shitty, obviously android is a goated operating system and they have made many amazing tools

[night girder]

Well, it's going to be one.

www.techradar.com/phones/android/i-think-you-see-the-future-first-on-android-googles-android-leader-sameer-samat

[sterile plinth]

never used chromeOS in my life to know

all i know is that its the one used in chromebooks

[dire igloo]

Didn't know the shop worked like that, thought it was smth you got points for when using Nitro - because I can't use most of its features without Nitro anyway

[night girder]

“I asked because we’re going to be combining ChromeOS and Android into a single platform, and I am very interested in how people are using their laptops these days and what they’re getting done,” Samat explained.

I am sus af 😄 "Do they want more control?"

[sterile plinth]

i dont pay any subscriptions, but if theres one that I'd pay it would be netflix (especially pre-password sharing ban)

[night girder]

The same with the browser and the whole V3 debacle.

[sterile plinth]

at least it has a good catalogue and is accessible on smart TVs and such with ease

but all these things like spotify premium or youtube premium

I can't imagine myself ever buying them

[night girder]

Why use a browser, that is against you huh? 😄

Me too. FF is the best (atm).

[sterile plinth]

is ff some terminal browser

[night girder]

Also, there is github project that makes FF even more privacy friendly and secure.

https://github.com/yokoffing/BetterFox

[sterile plinth]

ohh firefox

[night girder]

Pretty easy to setup and maintain.

But you have to fiddle with the files a little bit yourself if you want to add rules.

But it's super easy.

[sterile plinth]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmjUlFIaNLE

i remember watching this video recently about some things firefox lacks compared to chrome

[dire igloo]

That's two forms of Freemium, Nitro and Boosting, which are directly linked since Nitro gives free boosts.

Boosting is a very straight forward Freemium model: if you want more functionality on a server, regardless of user, pay for it.
Nitro is too: if you want more functionality as a user, regardless of server, pay for it.

These two existing simultaneously isn't bad imo, they offer functionality based on who desires it.

The shop is purely cosmetic and I'd have to see Discord's revenue stream to make a judgement whether it's actually a monetization strategy or just a flopped attempt at whaling

[sterile plinth]

i still wont use chrome but it was interesting to see. apparently its behind close to a decade on some stuff like font rendering, supported resolutions or CSS features

[dire igloo]

I do mind having to pay every single online service independently to be free of obnoxious ads

[night girder]

Must be a good hill.

[sterile plinth]

ublock?

[night girder]

adguard? pihole?

[dire igloo]

False.

If you tell me "this new feature is unnecessary", I will tell you "you don't know that"

You are the one assuming the the existing revenue streams suffice.
And then there are two costs to consider: the cost of keeping the servers running and the cost of keeping the shareholders happy.
The second one tends to increase with time

[night girder]

Well you are kinda saying it is necessary. 🙄
"You rather have discord to stop exist?" said you.

[dire igloo]

I'd like to think that the majority of businesses aren't greedy but that they have to survive within a greedy system.

And that if the necessity for growing profits wasn't there, most companies would be operating at cost

[night girder]

So you ASSUME discord needs the ads for revenue.

Also, let's not forget Discord wants to join stocktrade... c'mon ... this is pretty obvious to me.

If they were doing bad financial, they don't prepare for joining stock.

[dire igloo]

So uhhhhhh you actually wouldn't want to pay for Netflix?

You're willing to pay for a nostalgia riddled past version of it.
Before the catalog was split to a dozen other services and before options of cost-sharing were removed.

In a nutshell:
You'd be willing to pay for an idealized streaming service

[night girder]

arstechnica.com/gaming/2025/03/report-discord-partners-with-jp-morgan-chase-goldman-sachs-for-a-2025-ipo/

IPO: initial public offering, is the term for the first time that a private company sells shares of its stock to the public on a stock exchange.

[sterile plinth]

well yeah. I'm not the type of person to pay to watch an mp4 file

[dire igloo]

That's the point here.
To not be molested by ads online, the only option I have is adblock

[sterile plinth]

you're acting like its some immoral last resort

[feral drift]

Which is fair.

For me its not the $40-50 a month thats going to ruin my economy - but the convenience it brings me makes that worth it for me, not having to hassle around with getting Ad blocker on Smart TV, Tablets and Phones - and it can cover the entire family as well :)

[dire igloo]

It is in the sense that I'm killing the revenue stream for people who can't help but rely on ads.

However, this is a symptom of a failing system and the immorality isn't on my side, it's the inherent systemic exploitation for profit

[sterile plinth]

i prefer sponsorships to ads (as a customer)

[dire igloo]

Exactly.
You assumed that the existing revenue streams are sufficient.
I entertained the thought that they're not.

[sterile plinth]

if a website has "sponsored by X" at the side or the end of an article

I don't mind that at all

[night girder]

Pot calls kettle black nice.

[sterile plinth]

but the ads, the problem is they're annoying, half of them are ANIMATED, they sometimes pop up, and do many more things.

Same goes for adfly links

[dire igloo]

how about this: they are bumping up their numbers to get a favorable stock launch

Combined how?

[night girder]

no shit? It's for greed? 😮 Almost enshitification. Degrade platform for profit.

[dire igloo]

I paid 120€ for a media PC plus 35€ for a Logitech K400.
Hooked that up to my TV and bye bye smart TV, hello browser-based internet

[dire igloo]

How are sponsorships different from ads?

On YouTube, a sponsorship is nothing but an exclusive ad inserted into the video

[sterile plinth]

or just pay 1$ for an hdmi cable 🤑

[night girder]

sponsorship goes directly to person who makes the content, and not to platform that shows that content?

ads goes to the platform, and a little bit to content creators.

[dire igloo]

Then that website is either a product of that company X or it's running ads

[night girder]

content creators != billion dolar company

platform == billion dolar company. Maybe trillion.

[dire igloo]

Main issue: they obstruct the actual content.

[night girder]

content creators don't have shareholder either.

[sterile plinth]

in youtube, they feel more human, because, assuming i'm watching a channel i actually like, the guy puts part of his personality into it making it more interesting. Also, they are fully skippable

in articles, they usually are much more compact. You will never see an APNG or GIF or popup sponsor ad (for a serious one, atleast)

[night girder]

and content creators mainly do it to provide for themselves and the family. Food.

[dire igloo]

Well, why are they being greedy?
Because they want to or because the system rewards/requires it?

I'm not saying that it's a good direction, I'm saying that they could've done much worse and that most of the blame you put onto the platform is better directed towards the system

I think I've seen that, but the only thing that comes to mind are piracy websites

[dire igloo]

And what do you connect to the TV with that cable?

[sterile plinth]

an old laptop

or a new laptop! surely you'd have some lying around

[sterile plinth]

can you really blame the system for everything? No matter the system, electricity and developers cost money. If you're saying discord isnt doing this strictly for a profit, then no matter the system they would have to make money to fund their servers somehow

[night girder]

I don't understand why people can't be vocal about the symptoms or the direction things are heading.

It's the same that I sometimes read people "complain" about their favorite game. And people react like; "go play something else."
I don't understand. The person "complaining" is just passionate and wants to improve product. Or make others aware of issues.

And telling those to go fight the system "capitalism" is just ... tiresome.

But I wont stop anyone fighting capitalism. I rather fight the symptoms 😉
One seems like a fight that nobody can win. The other seems win-able sometimes.

[dire igloo]

I don't know what you're referring to then

[night girder]

Stop Killing Games doesn't fight the whole industry.

Stop Killing Games fights a symptom implemented by that industry.

[sterile plinth]

the content creator injects part of their personality into the ad when its a sponsor, makes it more watchable. And i can also skip ahead of it which I usually do

[dire igloo]

I have a laptop lying around but I need that occasionally when I'm on the go.
I could get me a used laptop for like 120€ - and I'd need a very long HDMI cable if I want to do inputs on the laptop while I'm on the couch.

Might as well by a small media PC and a K400

[night girder]

Even so well, that you don't notice it sometimes.

[sterile plinth]

I don't know if them promoting their own merch would count as sponsorship but thats also usually more subtle

[night girder]

Well if the merch is under a company, they can pay from the company to their own personal bank account I guess? 🤔

[sterile plinth]

I mean, how often do you want to do anything on your laptop while watching a movie other than pause it temporarily? (which you can do with a USB remote)

personally all I need to do is switch the episode every 1 hour, not a big deal

[dire igloo]

I dipped into that here: #off-topic-tech message

Basically: the cost of running the platform often isn't even high, it's the cost of keeping shareholders happy.

Discord keeps adding "functionality" not because its users requested it but because it adds revenue streams.

[night girder]

I have no issue with how YT content creators implemented sponsorship (yet).

and I also understand why a lot of content creators are leaving the platform.

and start their own website with a paywall. or subscription. Or kickstarter.

[dire igloo]

The point is: these complaints are futile.
They're complaining about constantly applying bandages when the solution would be to cure the wound.

[night girder]

Oh, but fighting capitalism isn't futile? 🤣

Good luck! Let me know when you won.

[sterile plinth]

most "good" pieces of software known (opensource) are made by people that dont care about profit

[night girder]

You literally are fighting the foundation of our whole modern global society.

[dire igloo]

And if it successful, the industry will adapt, just like the car industry adapted to seatbelt regulations.

These are successes which make your life more liveable and they should be celebrated for it.

But to me, they feel like a flower garden in a fallout dystopia

[sterile plinth]

stuff like linux, ublock, docker, c, apache kafka, k8, all linux distros etc etc

[dire igloo]

I meant the websites, not the YouTube ones. The YT ones I know how they work

[night girder]

I think I have more chance in EU court fighting this discord ads for coins than I have a chance of winning a case against "capitalism".
One has maybe a 0.00000001% chance to make it in court. The other wont ever make it in court.
So both are futile. Just one is less.

[dire igloo]

Which is why I love good media laws that require content to have a clear label for ads

[night girder]

Same that casino mechanics are forbidden in my country for games.

[sterile plinth]

I in general love EU laws, they're a lifesaver in every regard

[night girder]

The game has it? Either remove it (which Overwatch etc did) or I cannot play it (and personally; I don't want too).

[dire igloo]

I have my phone for that.
And if I'm watching a movie on my computer with 3 monitors and want to do something on the side, I quite often pause the movie because otherwise I won't focus on either thing

[sterile plinth]

they bully trillion dollar companies into submission

[night girder]

I shit on EU a lot.

But when it comes to games and the laws they implement, I am rooting for them.

[sterile plinth]

it still is a union of some of the highest living standard countries in the world

[night girder]

It's the one thing, I am kinda proud of to be in the EU.

[sterile plinth]

you can complain, but, really, which country can even come close to what the eu has achieved

[night girder]

EU learns from the best 😄

[sterile plinth]

real democracy, good working hours, public healthcare,

free universities in many countries

[dire igloo]

It's the difference between fighting an unwinnable battle versus celebrating negligible victories.

If through all the hurdles which are yet to come, stop killing games succeeds in creating legislation, that won't solve any of the inherent issues of requiring monetization

[night girder]

For consumers it's a step forward. Better than stepping back, which was happening over the decades when it comes to ownership of games.

If Stop Killing Games had the goal of fighting capitalism. Nobody would know about them.

No they went for a specific case, prepared for it, and get the signatures to make it to EU.

[night girder]

Well, the consumer wasn't even stepping back. We got pushed back by corporations.

[dire igloo]

The alternative would be accumulating minor victories until you've conquered enough land for a comfortable home.
There are still battles raging on but you are happy with the ones you won and the position you're in that you will settle down and no longer bother with any of the fighting

[night girder]

And if I have to pick, I rather have initiatives like Stop Killing Games, even if it to you is a "negligible victory" which I disagree with, than having nothing.

[dire igloo]

We need both - people who fight the system so that the symptoms can be patched and people who patch the symptoms knowing full well it might only be temporary

[dire igloo]

Oh, it is absolutely a victory and one to be celebrated.
But it won't bring any progress towards games improving

[night girder]

Many little stings can add up to a big pain.

[night girder]

That's you assuming it wont improve games.

[sterile plinth]

its motive is very clear, preserving games and I think it will achieve that

[dire igloo]

How would it?
The initiative literally says it themselves: it's only about what happens after EOL

[night girder]

If people can play the game after EOL, that's already an improvement?

How is it NOT an improvement.

[dire igloo]

I think it won't because EU lawmakers suck ass at making digital laws.

I do still hope it is successful

[night girder]

Basically, if steam pulls the plug, can we still play our games?

If they do it now. We are shit out of luck.

If we can in the future. Yes, I call that an improvement.

But nobody is clairvoyant, too soon to tell.

[dire igloo]

The games themselves are still riddled with microtransactions, the artwork still feels emotionless, initial releases will still be riddled with bugs and optimization will still be shit.

SKG doesn't change anything about the quality of the game itself.
Great games will become even better because you know they can't be taken away.
But there's nothing there to stop companies from making garbage games

The only improvement it brings is to the games that people already love

[dire igloo]

Depends on how the games have implemented the DRM

[sterile plinth]

what's your point? there's bad games and there's good games

Always have and always will exist

[dire igloo]

That's me assuming that it will only change the things that it says it will change

[sterile plinth]

not all games are riddled with microtransactions

[sterile plinth]

you can just not play garbage ones

[dire igloo]

That games are becoming worse

[sterile plinth]

that's a good change

[night girder]

Now, it's the turn of the European Commission and the Consumer Protection Cooperation Network, which have published guidelines on virtual currencies following an investigation into a game called Star Stable Online.

Tell me again EU doesn't do anything?

[sterile plinth]

how about valorant 😭

[dire igloo]

Okay, and? It doesn't remove microtransactions, just makes pricing more honest.

[sterile plinth]

who cares about star stable online

[night girder]

"I think it won't because EU lawmakers suck ass at making digital laws."

[sterile plinth]

for me, story games, riot games, and games which use steam inventories are still kept in a good state

[dire igloo]

Never said that.
But look at article 17 and tell me that EU legislators are competent when it comes to digital media laws

[sterile plinth]

think elden ring, the new assasins creed, league of legends, valorant, csgo

you can say what you want about balancing but they're not bad

[night girder]

Rome wasn't build in one day.

[sterile plinth]

what does piss me off about newer games is performance

[night girder]

Thing is; EU is taking steps. Reviewing. Improving.

[sterile plinth]

quality can still be found

[dire igloo]

It's precedent - an example game which is the scapegoat for all the issues in the industry.
Legislation designed based on the issues of that game will ideally apply and work for any other game

[sterile plinth]

ohh I understand

[night girder]

ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_25_831 This is official rapport from EU.

[dire igloo]

Riot Games is owned by Tencent who are quite out of reach

[sterile plinth]

they will use it as a basis to identify issues with modern games

[night girder]

Press release Mar 21, 2025 Brussels 3 min read. So kinda new.

[sterile plinth]

still, if the product is shipped in the EU laws can apply

[night girder]

direct appeals to children in the advertisements, urging them to buy, or persuade adults to buy for them, in-game currency or items;

like literally what I said this morning. ffs.

[sterile plinth]

and riot does have servers inside europe

tens of them

[night girder]

the use of pressuring techniques such as ‘purchase through time-limited practices' to unduly influence children to purchase in-game virtual currency or in-game content;

I mean, you can read it all yourselves.

But I knew it. EU is like a mother. When children are involved they get very strict. Or atleast wake up lol.

[dire igloo]

That's justification for not dismissing small victories which admittedly I have been doing.

But it doesn't justify defending bad decisions which set you back.
Like Article 17 which to me is a prime example of how the EU handles legislation regarding ownership of digital goods

[dire igloo]

Kinda. They use it as a reference point for creating the legislation - because they need something tangible within their jurisdiction.

[dire igloo]

Look at GDPR: anyone offering service inside the EU or to people who are citizens of the EU has to follow that legislation.
Good example of how to make legislation that applies to non-EU companies

And also look at PSN, a good example of what companies will do if they want to avoid legislation.
There also exist games which look completely different in other countries.
And all of this is to say: there's always a risk attached and there may be sacrifices

[dire igloo]

It's not?
I am absolutely certain that having a cosmetics shop available does not constitute as a direct appeal and that even an item promoted on the starting page of discord does not count as urging people to buy it.

[night girder]

I did. Kids. Use. Discord.

[dire igloo]

Yeah, like when they want to kill E2E encryption to "fight child abuse"
Protecting children is easily marketed because it makes any critics look morally wrong

[night girder]

And if Discord is adding predatory monetization they see happen in games. This wont fly for EU.

"Games can't do this. But a chat platform directly linked to gaming, oh yeah, you can do that." - wouldn't make sense.

Well, adult sites have changed also over the last few years thanks to EU. (Age Verification).

With the same mindset, to protect the young ones.

EU tries to seek a middle ground between keeping the internet open, and also listen to concerns from parents and scientific groups.

I don't think EU is hiding behind this argument, I believe they trully want to protect children.

And to bring this all back, Discord wants to go stock market, they keep adding more and more shiny flashy things, in the hope to get revenue for profit.

Now they added quests and if you watch adds you get a virtual coin. Kids are influenceable. Do you want your kid to watch 3 ads a day on discord to earn some coins? I rather wouldn't I rather pay for discord then, then brainwashing my kid with ads. Just me.

And I don't think critics are morally wrong. I just think they either don't have kids.

Or believe in capitalism so much, they do anything for it? Or blame it on the parents like always 😄

[dire igloo]

Well, several issues with that statement:

1. That's failure to enforce the age restriction, different kind of issue.
2. I never once talked about kids there.
3. Kids using discord doesn't change anything about the things I just said.

Look at it through the eyes of a judge.
Company: "We have an item for sale. You have to deliberately open the shop yourself to see it, there is no incentive for you to open said shop other than to look at the items we have for sale"

Judge then has to decide:

• Is this an advertisement? No, because it's simply a listing in a shop.
• Is this directed towards children? No, because the TOS exclude anyone under the age of 13.
• the TOS don't work, is it still a direct appeal? No, because you have to take deliberate actions to see the offer.
• is this offer urging people to buy it? assuming the listing is just "buy X item for Y points", it's not. That's how offers in stores work.

[night girder]

This whole day, that's been my argument. That I see danger of the new discord thing for kids.

[dire igloo]

You are once again acting like you know exactly what implementation discord will be doing

[night girder]

And a whole day you been debating me.

making me believe, you don't agree with me, and don't see the same issues as me.

[night girder]

wtf? bro. Discord is linmked to gaming. Want me to show you?

How can you NOT see that discord, is linked to gaming?

[dire igloo]

Most of the time, they do. But they're still very quick to use it as a coverup story for limiting digital freedom

[night girder]

It shjows me the game, it has features to share my game, ... it shows other people game.

wtf.

and the implementation?

[dire igloo]

Once again, this is assuming that the kids want something with those coins.
The only reason to watch an ad is to get that cosmetic item.

[night girder]

IS already there.

[dire igloo]

We've seen plenty examples of undesirable cosmetics

[night girder]

They even call it "quests" to gamify it all. Make it appealing to kids.

[dire igloo]

Take the E2EE example:
"Killing E2EE is a gigantic issue, legislators should strongly oppose this"
"Ah, so you want child abusers to get away, huh? You're on the wrong side of this, bud"

[night girder]

Those are ads to watch.

[night girder]

So sorry, I am, again, not assuming.

The proof is just there.

[dire igloo]

I see some of the issues but I think you're exaggerating

[dire igloo]

Where did I ever deny THAT?
Stop straw manning.

You act like you know what exactly that shop will look like, how it will be implemented into the platform, what kinds of items will be for sale and how obtainable they through either means.

THAT is the issue I'm having with your discussion.
You complain about things that we are yet to see

[dire igloo]

Then you can also show where you can spend the orbs, where else you can get them and how much discord promotes it

[night girder]

I am out. If you can't open discord, go to the shop and see seem thing as I am.

[dire igloo]

Because I am yet to see any of it