off-topic-tech

[ivory rampart]

wait what

[frank hedge]

?

[ivory rampart]

you bought a cpu to troubleshoot?
id just send it back

[frank hedge]

well it was just 12$ for that trouble shoot cpu
amd 5 5600x was Faulty sending it back soon..

[ivory rampart]

oh ok, didnt expect that to be so cheap

[frank hedge]

well someone wanted to free space
so yea

PC now running
is
amd 3 2200g with RX 6600

[feral drift]

Why don't all MFA sites do it like this.. Its much easier than having to find my phone everytime I want to login.. Duuh..

[mental oriole]

[pure karma]

[ivory rampart]

If my PC shuts down randomly and the event viewer shows a kernel power even (so power loss?) should i be worried?
happened 3 times this year, and at first i contributed it to some Power issues, where power is down for a split second and trips up the pc.
I didnt see my light flicker and its in the same socket
but could that also be a sign of a bad powersupply?
if it is, how would i tell the difference.

[twin dew]

Yes, PC shutting down on grid glitch is bad PSU that doesn't have enough bulk capacitance.
And that kind of shutdowns can cause file system and/or data corruption if something was being written at that time.

[dire igloo]

Your PC is on the brink of explosion, you better run before it levels your building

[ivory rampart]

its a 2 year old 1000w Seasonic, so i still got 8 years of warranty left

i was not doing anything heavy, just coding

[twin dew]

Ok, so if not light flickering, then probably not grid glitch sourced, didn't read correctly.

[twin dew]

Shuts down and needs to be powered back on?
Or resets?

[ivory rampart]

hmm, the monitors im not too sure off.
but i think the desklamp i use did not noticeably flicker.

completely shut down

had to press the start button

[twin dew]

So PSU protection, or MB protection.

[ivory rampart]

i tihnk the first time it happend it did turned itself on again.
but not the last 2 times

[dire igloo]

I've done "a bit of coding" during the practical part of my bachelor's degree - couple hundred lines of VBA to automate a CSV analysis.
Safe to say, any time I made my code run the analysis from the very beginning, my laptop was essentially frozen for half an hour

So "just coding" can be an incredibly high load depending on the size of your project and the skill of the coder

[ivory rampart]

well yeah, but its my degree project that i started on TODAY... so not that much going on yet

[dire igloo]

YET

[ivory rampart]

it wont be anything heavy, pretty much just some frontend with very little going on in the backend

[twin dew]

But no easy way to tell if it is PSU protections tripping, or motherboard protections tripping.

[ivory rampart]

well on that, i did just upgrade to a new CPU and mainboard.
it happened both before and after

would that not make it less likely to be the mainboard?

[twin dew]

Yes.

[ivory rampart]

i gotta pay more attention to the monitors next time it happens.
im realy not sure if they stayed on or turned off

no work was lost at least

[dire igloo]

Holy fuck, I just remembered back to one of my uni projects, having to use design patterns n shit
I didn't realize how much y'all were carrying me through that assignment

[ivory rampart]

my system is incapable of drawing over 700w

[dire igloo]

heh, challenge accepted

(it'll shit itself before going there)

[twin dew]

On MB end, too high VRM temperatures, or actual VRM output going too high because of swings, or some CPU temperatures hitting shutdown limit (instead of just throttle limit) can cause MB to shut the PSU down fast.

etc.

On PSU end it is stuff like overcurrent, short circuit, overtemperature etc. that are monitored and cause trip if needed.

[ivory rampart]

im assuning what it readsas the graphics temp is the CPU temp

[twin dew]

And it can also be that the monitoring is reading wrong and trips below the intended limit etc.

[twin dew]

IOD temperature, not CCD.

[ivory rampart]

dont got anything installed for that, but case has airflow and isnt clogged by dust

so temps should be fine

[ivory rampart]

what was that program again

[twin dew]

HWiNFO

But more likely that the PSU has some kind of protection monitoring failure that makes one trip at way too low level.

In this case.

[ivory rampart]

i dont see anything odd

CPU is undervolted, but since it was also happening on the old CPU/mobo i dont tihnk that its the issue

[twin dew]

Would cause crashes and reboots AFAIK, not shutdowns.

But basically the logical sources at this point would be intermittent short duration shorts in something that was in both systems.
And some PSU protection limit being too low because of manufacturing fault or like.

[ivory rampart]

if it happens again ill open a support ticket at Seasonic, surely they can walk me through some steps

[pure karma]

cables bent too sharp probably

[twin dew]

Ah, I did hit case with my own CPU that just right negative Curve Optimizer caused the MB protections to trip and shut the system down in some specific swing load test.
As it probably caused the VRM output to start oscillate because of just the right VCore request swings.

[pure karma]

or you know, the obvious, that untested undervolt you did

if i want to treat you like you treat me

[ivory rampart]

you assume its untested

[twin dew]

Was able to trigger it three times, and went away with different offset.
For both more and less offset.

[ivory rampart]

i could look for some sharp bends in ables

[pure karma]

if you cant even name basic monitoring tools you did NOT test an undervolt

[ivory rampart]

there is not just one way of testing

and there is the context

you seem to have a history on here of doing stupid shit to hardware

i dont

[high ivy]

Speaking of doing stupid shit to hardware...

I wanted to build a new PC and wanted it to look striking. Not being a big RGB fan (of big RGB fans) I cast around for inspiration and decided on something... unique.

Inspiration and current progress. This is just the front case, the rear is still being painted, but everything is wired up and functional.

(It's stupid because the case is just barely big enough to fit a mini ITX system in. The fans are only 60mm. Cable management is effectively impossible. It's gonna be a hot boi.)

[languid gulch]

ok that'd be amazing

SFF in a classic geiger counter sounds amazing

[high ivy]

The PC case is a HEAVILY modified case from a piece of medical equipment from my work. The Geiger counter would be just about big enough to fit a raspberry pi in

[languid gulch]

ngl tho i'd probably 3d print the geiger counter casing, that way i could put proper mounts in it & ventilation

oh it's one of the little ones 🤣

i'd shoot for one of the ones that's a bit smaller than a shoebox

[high ivy]

This is what the case I'm using came from

[languid gulch]

plus i'd hate to wreck an old classic piece of hardware like that

[languid gulch]

oh god, now i wanna see a PC built in an 80s boombox

[high ivy]

Do it lol

[languid gulch]

🤣

now those there's enough left that i wouldn't mind modding one for that

having dual 200mm fans instead of speakers

[high ivy]

I mean to be fair, wrecked CD Geiger counters aren't too rare either. They're about twenty bucks from surplus places or eBay

[languid gulch]

yea but i'd want to cheat and have easy mounts instead of welding or soldering 🤣

[high ivy]

Naaaaaah the soldering is the fun part!

[charred relic]

If I don't get to solder then what even is the point...

[inland onyx]

TOASTY

[inland onyx]

AMEN

[languid gulch]

LOL someone beat me to it on the boombox pc

https://www.techpowerup.com/gallery/3610/boombox-pc

12 years ago

[charred relic]

Find those responsible and ensure that they suffer.

[mental oriole]

I have not updated...

What is so bad?

More bloat

Yay, how excite

[languid gulch]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/06/reddit-user-surprised-when-1960s-computer-panel-emerged-from-collapsed-family-garage/

[charred relic]

Imagine having a priceless tech artifact just fall outta your wall

Like I was saying about that Hendrix Fuzzface pedal... it was stolen and somewhere out there somebody might have something worth 10's of thousands (or more) sitting in a box and no idea what it even really is

[languid gulch]

yea, wish i'd randomly come across a minor miracle like that

think the only thing remotely in that domain is a phonograph

sadly no needle, but i do have a couple cylinders for it

[charred relic]

My grandmother had something I always thought was cool, one of those old console record player/radios

Sounded great too

At one point I could have gotten it if I could have gotten halfway across the country. She left it to my uncle and he had to move and needed to get rid of it.

But I was dealing with random trips to ER with stomach bleeders and a ton of scheduled stuff since I'd recently been diagnosed and there was just no way I could get out there

My grandmother and my uncle kept that thing in CHERRY condition too, when my grandmother passed it still looked and worked like new.

[frank hedge]

or get hands on some great stuff like ruler with roller so u can draw lines | | lines no issue

and draw angles

thsi bad boy
but My younger sister destroyed it

...

[charred relic]

Fact is a lot of folks are capable, if they wanted to, to repair a lot of stuff themselves.... if they could get the damned parts and not get locked out by other schemes.

Lack of parts, lack of schematics...

[dire igloo]

Reminds me of this talk
https://youtu.be/8OB2NqcSDXQ

[charred relic]

And no matter what without replacement you will end up at the mercy of that battery.

[dire igloo]

Polish train manufacturer creating a bunch of measures to prevent third party repairs

Shit like GPS-based shutdowns for the onboard systems

[charred relic]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIHFHR8dCnM

Pilot(s) incapacitated... it's alllll good.

The AI will just find the best airports and start broadasting to control

...what a time to be alive

[twin dew]

Garmin avionics contain that kind of thing already in some models, and they have been triggered in real use already.

https://discover.garmin.com/en-US/autonomi/

[charred relic]

A lot of folks won't like it but eventually AI's will be doing the entire regular flights

[twin dew]

Been there basically for long time already?
Including autoland capability?
Pilots are there basically as backup mostly in reality.

[charred relic]

They do a lot still but as far as the majority of time int he sky it's just waypoint to waypoint

they are turning knobs from time to time...

[twin dew]

Yes, they are currently needed to switch between modes and phases.

[charred relic]

that's why if i do a long haul in flight sim i gotta skip parts because it's just... doing nothing lol

[twin dew]

Which on any modern fly-by-wire plane wouldn't be needed with some extra basic programming, no AI needed.

[charred relic]

maybe an alt change... heading change once in awhile -yawn- lol

i don't see how they don't just constantly fall asleep

[twin dew]

Been cases where that has happened.

[charred relic]

that has happened... but im surprised it doesn't happen more. Like those guys that overshot the airport big time

oops

That's the type of shit that gets a fighter jet next to you...

And the last thing you want to hear right after you land is "let me know when you can copy a number"

means you gotg some splainin to do

That Harrison Ford ATC exchange is funny because he knew it was coming, already had a pen ready heh

lol

Yeah it could be me... flying your plane

from right where im sitting...

I do know how to take a 747 from dark to cruise

landings usually go fairly well 🙂

[twin dew]

Flying a functional plane in IFR is much much easier thing than autonomous car for example.
And when a plane declares emergency, it is ATCs job to direct everyone else away from the plane, no matter what that plane does.

The pilots have been in there basically just in case the plane goes to less than fully functional for long time.
And at some point even the big airlines will be going to single-pilot operations.

[charred relic]

But don't worry they'll give me at least a couple dozen hours training I'll have the landings nailed by then for sure. You'll be fine.

[twin dew]

But not there yet, not because of technology, but because of pilot resistance etc.

Basically automation, one pilot, possible emergency remote pilot option as fallback if both of previous fail.
But basically at this time, whenever stuff goes to shitter, there often is too much workload even for two pilots.

[charred relic]

some planes still have a spot for an engineer

antiquated at this point

[twin dew]

Only very old ones that haven't had cockpit upgraded.
As engine monitoring took full persons job.

[worldly lark]

Got a question regarding electric stuff. I'm building an N-gauge layout and have a digital decoder that has a 3A/16V output for power supply. If I strap a fitting cable to it and put a power distributor at the end, I can supply power to multiple spots at the layout, yes? (I know I have to isolate power blocks to avoid power shorts)

[mental oriole]

No clue.

But I think so? (Dont take advice from me )

[dire igloo]

Don't ask me.
(Absolutely do take that advice from me)

[feral drift]

Is this the Brittish Rail Road channel? :P

[crude root]

Has anyone figured how to turn off the ping sound yet? I thought maybe with 1.1 we'd be able to adjust/change/turn off the ping sound. I see other people complaining it messes with their dogs too. I'd even be open to checking out a mod if it is a solution.

[mental oriole]

perma dnd mutes any sounds from discord. Does discord even have a ping sound?

[winged valley]

Reread the message

[twin dew]

Trolling because asking on wrong channel.

As is the way!

[pure karma]

Alt clicked to the wrong channel i see?

[visual tree]

Anyone else getting those cringe Temu ads with AI voice all the time?

Sometimes I watch them only to laugh how bad they are

Now they promise to give you a tablet for 100$ if you install their app and claim the tablet has "5G HD" display

First time I've heard of 5G display 🤣

[twin dew]

At least not 5D display.

No idea how display generations could be counted.

[visual tree]

I also read scary stuff from cybersecurity experts regarding Temu app so there is no way I am going to install their app even if they give me free products

[twin dew]

As that G in 5G just comes from generation.

[visual tree]

Also, if they give you something for free, it means you are the product

[charred relic]

These days you still end up being a product even if you paid for the product that's going to produce you

😄

[visual tree]

Unfortunately, yes

[twin dew]

But on completely different note, I today bought almost kilogram of baking soda for car repair.

[charred relic]

I'm a pretty decent product...

[visual tree]

Lol

[charred relic]

4 out of 5 stars

mine had a screw loose but other than that...

[visual tree]

Must be wanted level

[twin dew]

So helicopters are in the air already?

[charred relic]

pulls his pistol and smokes a hooker

5 now...

[twin dew]

You really want to hijack that tank?

[charred relic]

Funny thing is... I never played GTA V

[visual tree]

Cleaning seats?

[twin dew]

So what? Has been a thing since GTA 1 IIRC.

[charred relic]

i bet i know what it's for

mixint it with cyanoacrylate!

[twin dew]

Neutralizing rust converter acid.

[charred relic]

borrrrring!

[visual tree]

Oh

Can't even buy a weed killer here without a licence

[charred relic]

baking soda + cyanoacrylate is great for all sorts of repairs...

[mental oriole]

wtf

[visual tree]

Only professional users dealing with agriculture can buy it

[charred relic]

Snow Plowing Simulator

oh CMON

[twin dew]

And I would rather get something actually meant for stuff that try to use filler + superglue...

[charred relic]

I'm waiting on Make a AI Slop Simulator Simulator so it's come full circle

Sometimes Baldur

you can't get a part... one has to be molded

[twin dew]

Meant actual epoxy based filler materials.

[charred relic]

Some parts A) aren't replacable and never were or B) you won't find... ever

And for those things it works great

It's not like the people who use it aren't aware of other substances that exist that do similar things

[visual tree]

Did some quick research. You need to take 20 hour lessons on safe use of pesticide, pass the exam and then they give you a card so you can buy a weed killer

[twin dew]

Because the stuff is toxic?

[visual tree]

Yeah. I suspect there were a lot of incidents in the past and the government now requires you to pass the exam

[charred relic]

I could get 55 gallon drums of it...

[visual tree]

You could have bought them without a license in the past

[twin dew]

And might just be for some of the types, not all.

[visual tree]

Probably. Weed killer belongs to herbicide category and they won't sell it to anyone without a license

[charred relic]

People here do tend to mishandle it however it's almost always in a way thst's only dangerous to them...

Personally handling anything that can be a health risk I'm gloving up minimum and probably wearing a mask

[visual tree]

Whenever my neighbor is annoying, I come out with this in order to scare him

When people see a pump spray, they stay away from you because you usually use a pump spray for something toxic

[dire igloo]

"it's just herbal tea" - proceeds to spread fermented hallucinogens

[charred relic]

Your neighbors would be in fear of me on a regular basis... I use a pump sprayer around the yard on a regular basis

[visual tree]

[charred relic]

They've move in and never step foot outside again

Some weeds need to die... like the ones that come up between the driveway slabs

if you just let that go it looks terrible and will do damage to the driveway... easiest cure it spraaaaay

[visual tree]

That's exactly what I almost always use pump sprayer for

[charred relic]

Like I'm sure there are other ways to deal with that... but I don't know any that work well personally

or aren't a lot of work....

[visual tree]

I could remove weed and grass by hand but after 30 minutes, my knees are killing me

[charred relic]

that and these are in a crack and some of them are so well rooted you can't even get them out of the ground

I grabbed one and disloged it'd grip running down the inside of the crack and there was no way I could have pulled tha tout of the ground, the plant would break

[visual tree]

I am more concerned of my neighbor's new Midea AC considering they have quality issues

Heard Midea recalled almost 2 million units in USA because of mold exposure

[charred relic]

Surprised that doesn't happen more often

I've seen other brands that have major mold issues

black mold is a big no no

[visual tree]

When I remove weed by hand, I also use this which helps me a lot

[charred relic]

I have something... similar

I think next year I'm going to rent a tiller and prep a much larger area

[visual tree]

Perfect for removing moss

[charred relic]

I like gardening my fruits and vegetables and such

I have a greener thumb with some things than others... some I just know a whole lot more about.

[visual tree]

Wish Mitsubishi was selling wall AC units where you can easily clean blower wheel. This model on the picture allows you to open vertical vanes

[charred relic]

And that's really the problem. Most mini splits and portables are nye impossible to clean properly

You can't get to places you NEED to get to without taking it partially apart which folks aren't going to fool with

[visual tree]

Sadly, you can't do this on my model without removing plastic frame and slightly bending heat exchanger so you can pull out the blower wheel

[charred relic]

Yeah see lol

Almost nobody is going to fool with that

That easy access system is something they should all have

[visual tree]

All companies that offer AC cleaning will remove the blower wheel but they will charge you more though

Regular cleaning includes cleaning the filter, condenser and heat exchanger while deep cleaning includes removing blower wheel

[charred relic]

Fortunately I'm mostly all central heat/air and that unit you can get in there and get to anything/everything

[visual tree]

https://youtu.be/11jtzT2UFfg?si=_UY3FJSYp1SDlTOq

[charred relic]

In a hot attic but whatever,

[visual tree]

I learned how to remove blower wheel by myself btw. Observed the people cleaning the AC and watched some videos online 🙂

Saved me a lot of money

Also bought an AC bag for rinsing the AC with water last year but you need to be extra careful which pressure washer to use

You need low water pressure in order to avoid heat exchanger damage

[charred relic]

The coils can be a bear

Why is my garage door opening

[twin dew]

Because most remote garage door openers are very insecure?

[visual tree]

Hope you aren't using an outdated garage door motor which works on the military frequency

I had a motor from a company called genius and it kept opening on several occasions because it worked on the same frequency used by the military

[charred relic]

neighbor needed ladder

thought i wasn't even at home lol

[visual tree]

Wtf

[charred relic]

he called by i forgot and left my phone on mute

[visual tree]

Oh

[charred relic]

No biggie

[visual tree]

Thought he was breaking in lol

[charred relic]

nah he's got the code... and keys to the front door

[visual tree]

I don't trust my neighbor unfortunately. He keeps eavesdropping all the time and constantly watches what I do

[charred relic]

glad i have good neighbors now

no busy bodies with nothing better to do than be in everyone elses business...

[visual tree]

Funniest part is if he sees me with a lawn mover, he immediately rushes to grab his to mow the lawn

Apparently, me having a nice cut grass is pissing him off 🤣

[mental oriole]

How do I change oneui7 battery icon to the old one that actually shows %

[visual tree]

Had software update for Galaxy Tab today but mine shows both the percentage and battery icon

Not sure if I have One UI 7 though

Nvm: my tablet is not supported

Only thing I can think of is downloading icons pack

[mental oriole]

I did some google

apparently the battery icon is hard coded...

[visual tree]

Can't believe you need to root your device these days to change icons. Like, what's wrong with letting users change their icons....

[mental oriole]

i don't understand why they need to change icons every other update.

[charred relic]

Find those responsible and ensure that they suffer...

[visual tree]

Probably to make an illusion they made some "changes" in the update

Official statement: "One UI 7.0 reinvented this segment for an interactive user experience. When we talk about interactivity, it generally redirects to the touch response, but the new battery icon gave interactiveness a new definition with dynamic transformations." 😐

[maiden coyote]

I still have mine... for now

[languid gulch]

got one of those overly uwu people in another server, and a few others are poking fun at it

i'm trying to deescalate it with depressing gifs

already hit em with Artax

[jagged snow]

Could alway just spam this one 💀
https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/eZcr6LhHCRvGjqp9efFFt1B3WLiSTHihFlfS1zJ9wR0/https/media.tenor.com/_6G60HGcBUoAAAPo/nodding-moon.mp4

Why did that embed as a video???

I don't use gifs

[languid gulch]

i moved on to "he can't see without his glasses!"

[inland onyx]

because its a mp4

[mental oriole]

Love me some bloat

[visual tree]

That's exactly how mine looks like atm

[mental oriole]

I got oneui7 forced down my throat... and Im furious.

[mental oriole]

Cant wait...

[safe trench]

oneui12 will be amazing!

source: trust me bro, just trust me.

[tribal kraken]

I've ROG phone 5 from 2021. The fingerprint sensor on it works like one of fifty times.. maybe need to replace

Other than that it works well, the large battery too

Cleaned the screen, deleted all the fingerprints and re added 3 fingers from each hand but still does not detect corretly. Guess there not much to do, maybe try some screen polish over the sensor?

[charred relic]

Got nothing on that one

[languid gulch]

ok who made the decision to make chat timelines go up, but social media threads go down

[mental oriole]

Ux designer that uses a ruler to measure pixels.

[feral drift]

Don’t think UX Designer was a thing in the IRC era

What I’m saying is.. Social Media is wrong :P

[twin dew]

And that "old rolls up" is just result on how text consoles worked on HW level.

[feral drift]

At least its not Left to Right or diagonal or something

[twin dew]

Coming from how normal paper text has worked for ages.

[mental oriole]

I've seen UX designers looking and measuring on THEIR laptop screen that a webpage looks correct.
Even checking the pixel color (no calibtation on the screen color was made btw) just that it looks "correct".
So happy Im not working in frontend as a daily driver.

So yes, I have a grudge against UX people.

[dire igloo]

I'd rather have a UX designer give me off-putting colors than have to navigate three unintuitive menus cuz nobody bothered to take the end user's perspective

[feral drift]

This just screams... Works fine on my system

[thin trout]

"can i borrow your system?"

[mental oriole]

docker was invented

[feral drift]

Its working fine on my Netscape Navigator..

[night girder]

Baldur, did James Webb discover something recently?

Because some AI generating YT video popped up. About a big discovery, lights on proxima B. But I find videos about that from 2 years ago.

Honestly, YT is such a mess with these science videos.

wait. screenshots otw.

2 weeks ago.

4 days ago.

[pure karma]

been going on for like a month so i have no idea anymore

i just assume all new science shared online is a lie

especially when its clickbaited like this

but what was seemingly said by supposedly nasa themselfs was concentrated artificial light that likely isent natural

[night girder]

saw this week how drones are being used to make videos about "alien objects in the sky".

drone + fishing line + shiny alien looking object + camera = alien video.

[compact rain]

weird people

[night girder]

This is so fake 🤣

news.sciandnature.com/2025/04/the-james-webb-telescope-has-just_24.html

[twin dew]

Yeah, those are not from James Webb...

[night girder]

there are not real either.

[mental oriole]

Doubt, would be all over the news if that was the case.

[night girder]

been on NASA page for a bit scrolling through pictures.

[night girder]

It kinda is? (on scamming websites) 😛

the nearby future; only wikipedia and NASA websites are to be trusted.

well, wikipedia is under fire though.

www.engadget.com/ai/wikipedia-cancels-plan-to-test-ai-summaries-after-editors-skewer-the-idea-200029899.html

I am happy that the editors (for now) were able to halt it.

[mental oriole]

Mmm

[night girder]

I read that some editors were worried about the credibility of wikipedia articles.

Also, you read about the latest experiment they did with AI?

During pre-release testing, Anthropic asked Claude Opus 4 to act as an assistant for a fictional company and consider the long-term consequences of its actions. Safety testers then gave Claude Opus 4 access to fictional company emails implying the AI model would soon be replaced by another system, and that the engineer behind the change was cheating on their spouse.

In these scenarios, Anthropic says Claude Opus 4 “will often attempt to blackmail the engineer by threatening to reveal the affair if the replacement goes through.”

[feral drift]

No doubt Wikipedia credibility is worsen after AI.. But it has always been something you shouldn't rely on..

[night girder]

wdym, not rely on?

[feral drift]

The information on wikipedia could be written by anyone..

[night girder]

you know how it works right?

[winged valley]

By any chance, have you completed high school?

[feral drift]

Well I could sign up for Wikipedia now - start editing a random page of my own choice.. And start contribute whatever I want..

But that doesn't matter here to explain.. Go trust the information on Wikipedia blindly, i couldn't really give a f... about that :)

[night girder]

Ok 👍 Feels a bit like a bait. So not gonna bite.

[feral drift]

It wasn't.. But I just signed up to Wikipedia.. opened a random site, that wasn't written yet.. And can begin write whatever I want

That was basically my point.. If i want to write a page about the moon made out of cheese, i could do that..

Anyhow - as said, feel free to use Wikipedia as a reliable source, I don't really care

[night girder]

Wikipedia has a lot of tools for the reader to use to check credibility of article.

So that's 3 things already that one can check to see if article is quality or not.

[feral drift]

Yes, but thats being critical about the source - meaning you don't trust whats written on Wikipedia, without checking out the source of information..

And because its referencing to a source - that site could be bogus as well..

[night girder]

1. You can check the sources.
2. You can check the discussions between editors.
3. You can check the changes made to the page.
4. You can check if anyone can add or it's semi-protected or even different.
5. You can check it is considered a featured article.

I grew up with encylopedia's. Those were also written by differrent people who I did not know. Wikipedia is just that, but online.

While I do understand the point you are trying to make, I believe it's way more nuanced than that.

[feral drift]

I know Wikipedia has tools to verify..

Sadly not many knows how to use it..

Usually somehow the same people who also blindly trust whatever Trump say on Social Media..

[night girder]

I understand where you coming from 🙂 But may I be so bold to claim; it doesn't sound like a wikipedia issue.

It sounds like an issue with some of the readers that use wikipedia 😉

[feral drift]

Its the same Trust but Verify you have to use when reading the News

[night girder]

I don't think Wikipedia has any il intent and does it's best to provide accurate information on the internet.

And I also think, it's one of the best sources on the internet.

[feral drift]

Well has always been taught from late elementary school when Wikipedia was launched, till end of education..

If you're writing a thesis or assignment on something - and Wikipedia is listed as your only source - its most likely getting an F

[night girder]

100%. We had to use multiple sources.

Videos, books, internet, wikipedia etc.

No way my thesis passed with only wikipedia 😄

but neither would my thesis pass if my source was: google or ChatGPT.

Or 1 book so 🤷‍♂️

[feral drift]

Naturally Wikipedia has also done a lot to provide the tools to ensure the validity of the information - the site is close to 25 years old..

[night girder]

Indeed, in the context of the internet, and what other websites are doing (or rather not doing, listening sources etc), wikipedia is solid in my book.

It even has a whole peer review system so.

[jagged snow]

Imo wikipedia is just about the coolest thing on the internet

Either that or youtube is probably the greatest single store of human knowledge

And one of them is not owned by google

[charred relic]

@night girderlol my parents spent a fortune on our encyclopedia set

[pure karma]

thats not all bad since you can still acess information without a conection to the web

and im sure most people dont have a full up to date local download of the entirety of wikipedia on the ready

i sure as heck dont

[night girder]

As of early 2025, Wikipedia contained roughly 6.9 million articles with over 4.7 billion words. Combined, these words are an estimated 110 Gigabytes of text.

Actually not that bad.

As of August 2023, there were over **400 terabytes of images, videos, and other media **in Wikimedia to support Wikipedia.

[dire igloo]

Anyone that wants to use Wikipedia as a source has to treat it like any other potential source.
Wikipedia is actually BETTER because anyone can make edits - if an encyclopedia has a mistake, you won't ever see it changed unless you constantly buy the newest revision.
At which point: put the encyclopedia online to make revisions update live and allow anyone who spots a mistake to either report it or change it themselves.
ta-daa, we just re-invented the concept of Wikipedia

Hell, your argument about AI even stronger undermines the credibility of published scientific papers - if it's not caught upon publication, it will remain public forever

iirc there's a specific word that primarily shows up in AI generated papers because of one paper in the training data that was scanned and the auto-detection concatenated two words accidentally

[jagged snow]

Yep, there are several things like that

[jagged snow]

Yeah, there are quite a few people that actually keep wikipedia backups

[jagged snow]

The wild thing is that's only 1-2 dozen archival tape reels

Greatest store of human knowledge can fit in a cardboard box on archival tape

[wanton orchid]

pong

I'm trying to get back to the talk about 48GB stick being better

and also remember what bad thing people were saying about zentiming

saying that some other tool is now more accurate or something

wasnt it hardware monitor that got better at ram details ?

[pure karma]

HW monitor cant even get usages right yet alone anything advanced

[wanton orchid]

sorry hardware info

[soft bloom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2gf_zaz-1E
correlation between oxygen and magnetic field

[wanton orchid]

looking at how thin atmosphere is big doubt

what oxygen level are we talking

[soft bloom]

there are linked studies

[manic cipher]

What years are those (if they are yours)?

[night girder]

just random pic of internet

[manic cipher]

Ah.

I have two sets.
1962 and 1970.

[night girder]

Haha, that's nice 😄

[manic cipher]

Now if I had the Oxford English Dictionary set from 1989 it would be complete.

[night girder]

They worth a lot?

[manic cipher]

The encyclopedias are not. I had gotten them for free.
The OED however, costs over $1000 USD.

[night girder]

Oof.

[manic cipher]

I tried to buy the OED on Amazon once. I had gotten scammed by them when they sent one book when I paid for the full 20 volumes.

The bank took good care of them.

It is important to document large orders and take pictures when dealing with things like this.
Pictures of the box, what you ordered, receipts, and all of that.

[charred relic]

Made a striped volume in Windows using a couple of mismatched SATA SSD's. Def way faster than a single lol

[languid gulch]

first summer with the new PC & man does it cook

think i might be one of the few people with a 4090 that's going to throttle it down to like 300W 🤣

speaking of

ok, super dumb question

do any testers underclock GPUs to see how much performance they lose relative to the power reduction?

[charred relic]

i install card, i use card

😄

Sometimes... the card uses me o.O

[languid gulch]

Starship blew up before a static fire

the size that is, it's kinda in tiny-nuke territory

[charred relic]

I hate when that happens

[languid gulch]

wasn't even during the startup from the look of it

it just went boom

i'd say every window in about 4km is blown out

or 10km

[charred relic]

I remember when that yahoo busted the sound barrier and it rattled windows where i lived

[languid gulch]

oh wow the top of it ripped open

[charred relic]

and that happened quite a ways off lol

out of nowhere the walls were shaking and a bam

Ah well at least I wasn't close enough to lose any glass haha

[languid gulch]

i grew up near 3 air force bases, so i remember them doing that all the time

[charred relic]

We have a lot of military air activity not far from here

[languid gulch]

plus the fucking idiot in his ultralight that flew too close to our nuclear plant and triggered F16's out of tucson

[charred relic]

I used to watch the planes take off and land in Panama (the country). We had access to the AFB's... which are gone now

Also seen the canal, it's nuts how they can lift those ships up or set them down

[languid gulch]

i keep kinda hoping that they add in that 2nd canal they've been talking about for like 20 years

[charred relic]

I haven't kept up with the upgrades... I know they can do larger ships now

When we'd go to the lake you could see all those containers and other ships passing through the lake

Also jungles are a bit scary lol

[languid gulch]

we weren't taught in school that it's not just a single channel

[charred relic]

Yeah it's a whole network

the locks, rivers, lakes

Had to get outside the city to get to a decent beach but once you got out enough man there were some nice ones

There was one were a small river came out of the jungle near the beach and pooled up then trickled down to the ocean. Was rocks on the side you could jump off of... becuase YOLO

Seriously though it was way more than deep enough at that spot

[languid gulch]

yea i'm too much of a desert rat to try that 🤣

[charred relic]

I was running around the beach catching crabs and shell searching

Then that night I had a nightmare that these BIG crabs were after me lol

like imagine large dog size crabs... dozens of them... and angry at you

which end lol

the north side looks like it has 2 systems, 3 channels total

south side has a second system but it's not complete in the sat photo

so it has 2 channels

that other one might be done now SHRUG

Looks like it was very close when this was taken.... needed some support buildings and shit for the tugs

That whole thing is a modern marvel

and something that was badly needed

Well they have to be channels like that so it cna't just be one big lane

And it can't stop the flow of traffic in existing locks

Also gonna have ships going both directions

Still better than the existing and it's almost there already

The river width itself might become a problem too honestly with those super huge ones

right north of the southern locks it gets narrow, not a ton of wiggle room even for the current largest ships

you can see where it narrows more there

that one is almost at that fork for the southerns

Those things are crazy big... I used to unload those containers sometimes

they look so... tiny there lol

Well I don't know if the larger ones willf it in the river safely or not

I'd have to guess maybe not if that isnt' even the biggest if they finish that other setup

They never imagined ships like this when they started building it heh

Engineering!

[tribal kraken]

And I feel exhausted when "unboxing" 24 tons of excavator bucket teeth from a just one container that arrived from China

[charred relic]

Yikes

I used to have "container day" where we'd have to unload anywhere from one to several of those... and it was a sloppy mess.

Lots of large replacement parts for farm and industrial equiepment

[tribal kraken]

Pics from another supplier but the shipments look like this

[charred relic]

Some stuff was crated or on skids but there was also a lot of odd shaped stuff

We had some big marble slabs come in that were being used at an arena being built downtown. Would have been easy on that one except the crates were blocked together so somebody had to climb int here and knock them apart.

[languid gulch]

that green thing looks like it slides on a rail

[charred relic]

and it was about 97F outside that day so you can imagine inside a container sitting int he sun

[languid gulch]

yea it was 114 here today

[tribal kraken]

I only have this to unload. Long pallet forks, chains and straps to pull them out. And when returning the container, they want it super clean.. or few hundred € cleaning fine.

[charred relic]

Oh and I handled a huge painting going to Elton John (who has a place in Atlanta)

[tribal kraken]

Yes, every manufacturer of those have their own patents for easy, toolless replacement of those wear parts. Thats called Esco Super V, its kinda threaded into place, and then locked by wedges that completely hide inside protected. We consider it one the good ones

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS0pxQlO2HQ&ab_channel=IndustrySearch

[languid gulch]

oh it's a tooth

[charred relic]

You can't handle the toof!

[languid gulch]

the slider on it threw me off, i'm used to seeing the teeth that just sheathe on and use a monster set screw

[tribal kraken]

Yea soo many different styles and preferences by customers too. CAT J series and Advansys are common for us, Esco is more popular in really heavy stuff

[twin dew]

Hynix 24Gb M-die clocks better than Hynix 16Gb M or A-die.
ZenTimings is still the gold standard, but uses vulnerable driver.
HWiNFO now can show almost all the same information, but not all.

ZenTimings vs. HWiNFO (not exact same latencies in use, need to go back to the tight ones)

Where you can then see most of the voltages in the HWiNFO sensors side, but some specific ones aren't visible.
And those memory controller impedance settings etc. aren't visible.

And the BGS and GearDown Mode settings aren't visible in HWiNFO anywhere either.

The problem with that vulnerable driver is that it doesn't get disabled or uninstalled while ZenTimings isn't running.
But is fully active always after first ZenTimings run on that Windows install, unless you manually hunt it down in Device Manager and uninstall it.

[twin dew]

Alienware assemblers again being trained properly (NOT):

[languid gulch]

yea, i like how steve talks about all the other heavy investments they've made in specialized tooling

meanwhile they can't do one of the simplest but most important screws right

especially on a system that people will buy because "it's a Dell", and they either can't or don't want to be bothered with doing their own pc maintenance

[twin dew]

And even hidden under big heatsink, so you don't know until the SSD has solder fail and it stops working,.

[languid gulch]

yea, to me if you find something that bad it's an instant return & failing grade for the entire product

it's not like they put it in a secondary ssd slot or something

to me it's worse than not including an ssd at all

and like steve said, super disappointing to do it to a 4TB one

[twin dew]

Steve not knowing how those fan rubber mounts work and are used...

[languid gulch]

iirc there's a couple different styles of those, and i think he was talking about the other type

but also, ngl cheap ass rubber fan mounts on a $5200 system is just a dick move

[twin dew]

Better than screws for vibrations etc.

And more expensive and labour intensive.

[languid gulch]

yea but rubber in a lot of environments isn't going to last

i've seen those fail in a year where i am

for $1500 premium they could use screws & rubber spacers or something 🤣

[tribal kraken]

Rubber that hopefully lasts. 🥹

Its mainly for sound supressing, but also handles large boulders better thans steel lining

[languid gulch]

if i ever get enough money to build my own house, i'm gonna have floating walls in it

[languid gulch]

also better windows

[pure karma]

for fun? or does your house flood on the regular?

[languid gulch]

look up floating walls

[visual tree]

I am planning to pay someone to make a main electrical project for solar panels this year and hopefully get a permit for installation

[languid gulch]

whoo!

[visual tree]

But I might install solar panels next years though. I want to get a permit until the end of the year because of a new law which will get rid of net metering

If you get permit until decemeber, you can use net metering for the next 10 years

[languid gulch]

yea, permit now

[visual tree]

Basically, you are using the grid as a "battery" instead of buying a battery

I think 5 kW should be enough for my house

[languid gulch]

🤣 lucky

don't think that'd do half my house

[visual tree]

My house is around 120 square meters if you count the garage and the outer walls are insulated

If I didn't insulate the walls 10 years ago, my bills would be 2x higher by now

[languid gulch]

good insulation & HVAC is 100% required here in phoenix

this house has underground air returns, which keeps the bill sane

a lot of houses here still have the returns going through the attic, which can easily hit 60C

[visual tree]

Here is my consumption in kWh btw:

Tariff 1 = day; Tariff 2= night

[languid gulch]

what region are you in?

[visual tree]

Croatia, continental part

[languid gulch]

ah right

[visual tree]

Wish I was on the coast

[languid gulch]

it's supposed to be 46C here tomorrow

[visual tree]

Highest I experienced was around 40 degrees

[languid gulch]

4am here and it's 24

i've felt 50 outside, and hotter in attics & cars

[visual tree]

Out of all places, you live in a desert 😅

[languid gulch]

all we really have is heat

[visual tree]

At least you aren't living in central Australia, people who live there are cooked

[languid gulch]

no earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, blizzards, flooding

well, occasional flooding. but we know where that happens

gloves are in the car not for the cold, but the heat 🤣

[visual tree]

Imagine living in Florida where you have natural disasters almost each year

[languid gulch]

you can definitely burn yourself on the seat belt or steering wheel

been there a couple times. 0 desire to ever go back

[visual tree]

I was once pulling new cat6 cables for the cameras outside the house during summer. Been outside for 4 hours and burned my neck really good

[languid gulch]

without sunscreen i'll start to burn in 15 minutes here

[visual tree]

Not to mention I have pale skin

[languid gulch]

yea i've got the northern euro ancestry too

definitely not built for here

it's tolerable tho if you know the rules

[pure karma]

im jealous

[main locust]

i gotta be honest i dont think id ever trade 20C for 46C lmao, grew up in california desert and i do not miss the 40C+ summers

[dire igloo]

yeah, no reason to be jealous of 40C+ temps

[tribal kraken]

+15°C and tomorrow is the main summer festival/holiday in Finland

[main locust]

idk maybe MagicZ has some crazy lizard genetics and 46 feels amazing

[tribal kraken]

Seems like it's not snowing ❄️ atleast

[main locust]

sounds like perfect festival weather!

[pure karma]

id like atleast 30+

not necesairely 46

and no more rain

also completely unrelated but i found the first failure point in the B580

the video encoders

there not programed to leave any spare processing so if the 3D is maxed the encoder takes a shit and dies

[dire igloo]

the main thing great about Arc?

[mental oriole]

Meanwhile me. 20C too hot.

[night girder]

Me sleeping in 32C

[pure karma]

you... need help

[night girder]

Intel firing 20% of it's employees (again).

“These are difficult actions but essential to meet our affordability challenges and current financial position of the company. It drives pain to every individual,” Intel manufacturing Vice President Naga Chandrasekaran wrote to employees Saturday. He said the company is targeting job reductions between 15% and 20%, with most of the cuts taking place in July.

... blablablabla.

[twin dew]

And just in their fabs this time?
So up to 20% of actual production workers are being fired.

[night girder]

Yeah. But does that matter?

20% is 20%. No matter who.

Sucks to get fired.

[twin dew]

When fab workers had already complained that the efficiency is down because of too few workers on the actual line.

[night girder]

Short term thinking, good to please investors.

[night girder]

Yup, but in Intels mind. This is to keep company alive or something, lol.

And Nvidia is releasing a RTX 5090DD in China with different GPU and VRAM.

To avoid export rules. The logic ...

American tech is going balastic atm.

[twin dew]

Might of course be that Intel is mothballing some of the fabs completely and consolidating remaining production.

Because they don't just have demand for them all anymore?

[night girder]

I wonder where they will close, EU or US.

[gentle osprey]

helpp does anybody know how to dicreasess fan speed
thats my pc and when ever i join a game the fans wont stop working i tryed armory crate but it didnt work can someone help me
Image

[pure karma]

Fan control

if it dosent detect any fans then throw the pc down the stairs and dont buy it again

[twin dew]

Problem is that the cooling cannot keep up with the CPU power at full 190W, so all the fans ramp to 100%.

Very common with prebuilts.

[gentle osprey]

i regret geting a prebuild

[pure karma]

i dont doubt it but maybe check temps

there might be some slight window to just turn down the fan curves ever so slightly

[night girder]

Was also thinking this. One might be able to set it less aggressive with the risk of frying your systrem.

You could also look into better silent cooling solutions.

[dire igloo]

That software has gotta be one of the worst malwares I ever installed voluntarily

[dire igloo]

Which might not work due to non-standard case design and/or limited compatibility

[night girder]

Doubt. There is a lot of different cooling solutions. In all sizes, forms, loud, silent etc.

But you might be right, just doubt that it's the case.

[twin dew]

And in some prebuilts from the big manufacturers the cooler mounting is proprietary.

Like no backplate or like, just standoffs from the case into MB holes, which might not be at standard positions.

[night girder]

Well we don't know that? Making assumptions...

Only way to know is for apexassin to check all that out. Who knows. It's a possibility.

[twin dew]

Which was the point of Fireworkers, that IF the specific computer uses nonstandard coolers, there might be nothing that can be gotten.

[night girder]

Can you give me example of how a mobo with "cooler mounting is proprietary."

[twin dew]

And Asus is one that has used that standoffs from MB tray solution before.

[night girder]

afaik, the cooler is attached to mobo.

So did they change the mobo so only their cooler fits?

[twin dew]

Cases like Dell and Asus have used where MB and CPU are sandwitched between case and cooler.

[night girder]

Even different fans can help you know ... that's why I used cooling solutions as a broad term 🤷‍♂️

[twin dew]

Yes, but would need to first see what cooler is actually in the unit apexassasin has, as it might be different than the tower cooler in the marketing pic given.

[night girder]

I didn't even bother looking at the marketing pic, useless for this context imo 😄

Can't find that specific model on Asus website. Not with a 3060.

[twin dew]

As example from Dell little onwards from this timestamp:
https://youtu.be/4DMg6hUudHE?t=1136

[night girder]

Seems like a ROG Strix GT15 G15 .

[twin dew]

And in several cases over the years the mounting holes might have been nonstandard, or use older sockets mounting hole pattern to keep using same case and cooler.

[dire igloo]

105mm fan mounts make any AIO impossible.
Low height above the CPU makes most air coolers impossible.
And good luck trying to cool a 190W CPU with an AXP120

Or hell, just put only 120mm single mounts there

No 120mm AIO will be powerful enough

[night girder]

GT15 G15 for 3070.

[twin dew]

But that kind of "insane" CPU cooler mounting is unfortunately way too common in large OEM prebuilds.
And I know AM4 5800X "gaming" machine from Asus with that kind of mounting, with that kind of crap top-down 65W max cooler as in that Dell in that GN video.

[night girder]

Was looking into the manual. And it sucks. It's all about how you have to sit in front of your prebuilt. Not joking.

[twin dew]

That sucker had broken fan curves, causing the case fans to do start-stop constantly and rear one to breark its bearings in a year.

[night girder]

Was hoping for hardware specs. (dimensions).

[twin dew]

And used nonstandard fan connectors.

[night girder]

"Ensure that you are using compatible or ASUS-recommended CPU fan." - that alludes to it can be replaced.

[twin dew]

But AFAIK Asus prebuilds are as horrible as Dells.

[night girder]

But yeah, the manual describes where to look into if noise is an issue.

[twin dew]

But I have had very limited exposure to Asus desktop prebuilds.

[night girder]

My last prebuild was 25 years ago

[twin dew]

Last was Dell Pentium 2 based thing around 1998.
Replaced the included ATi RAGE (don't remember exact version) card with Riva TNT right away and sold the ATi card.

Previous one had been self-built, but in that case that Dell was extremely cheap for the contents because of some special.

[pure karma]

im laughing so hard at this aio

the liquid temp is hotter THAN THE CPU TEMP 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

[twin dew]

Which isn't possible, so sensor error on one or both.

Because in that case the liquid would be heating the CPU, and would need some other heat source to heat the liquid.

[pure karma]

id asume its the liquid sensor being on crack

or having some kind of read +_ above actual temp

cause its about consitently a 5C diffrence

[dire igloo]

If you need a foot rest, your desk and chair are too high

[pure karma]

what weirdo uses there chair at max height

slam that sucker to the minimum

[night girder]

don't forget the foot rest

[dire igloo]

Feet flat on the ground.
Right angle in your hip and your knees determines seat height.
Straight shoulders and right angle in your elbows determines desk height.

Easy as that

You need a foot rest if your desk or your chair can't go low enough

[night girder]

Huh, someone didn't read the manual.

[night girder]

This is from the manual.

I guess if you can't lower your desk, you only have one option if your short.
Raise the chair. And get a foot rest 😅

[pure karma]

i read it im just not following any of the instructions

my eyes are not level with the top of my monitors there level with the center

the last thing im following is the 90 degree angles

and i dont have a footrest

[dire igloo]

And it's bogus. What I mentioned are the TÜV recommended desk ergonomics - btw, I addressed that foot rest part

[dire igloo]

Either of these will require you to have a footrest

[languid gulch]

yea thanks weather channel, i know there's an excessive heat warning

45 fucking degrees

[maiden coyote]

That's cold.. :p

We were something like 40 today.

[wanton orchid]

C*

[languid gulch]

fun fact: airports shut down when it hits 120F/50C because that's as high as the takeoff weight charts go to, and even if you know you're ok to take off, insurance uses those charts & won't cover the flight, so it ain't leaving

[twin dew]

Depends on plane how high the chart goes.

How high temperatures did the plane manufacturer test to.
Some test to lower max, depending where the plane is expected to be used.

And if some operator was willing to pay for the testing, and opportunity to test was found, they could be tested higher.
But that is also part of the problem, you need the conditions in real world to run the tests, and if they happen too infrequently, that testing cannot be done.

[languid gulch]

yup

but the fact that insurance chooses to use that chart nullifies any further testing

[twin dew]

Not even insurance.
Regulations disallow it.

[languid gulch]

that too

[twin dew]

You can only run outside the chart for that experimental flight testing by the manufacturer.

To get the data for the chart.

For anyone else, it is against the law.

[languid gulch]

i'm kinda wondering if it's going to happen tomorrow here 🤣 was seeing some 121s around the valley

2am here and it's a nice cool 26C

[languid gulch]

ok, dumb question time

do any printers use a combo of black ink, but toner for color?

[twin dew]

What?
Lasers use toner.
Most other types use inks.
There are no laser+other combo printers I know.

[languid gulch]

was thinking it might be smart to use black ink for quality, but color toner since it wouldn't dry out like ink would

if they could smash them into 1 printer

inkjet black, laser color

[dire igloo]

gets annoying once you're printing an image

cuz CMYK no longer works

[languid gulch]

ah right

current printer felt like having some kind of major fault

bought it in 2014, best i've ever had

sucks that it quit on me

gonna pop it open tomorrow to see if it's an easy fix, but i have my doubts

it yelled at me that yellow was out, and after replacing it, just said "me brokey"

[pure karma]

i finally made a pc part picker list thats actually up to date of my setup so now i can give you guys a updated list next time something implodes (https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/MagicZ_YT/saved/#view=DHN8jX)

[dire igloo]

If you wanna be extra cool, you're using custom prices to denote what you paid for it

[glossy glacier]

i just look at the CPU and see a potential future problem

[dire igloo]

Why the network card tho?

[dire igloo]

Not really, even before the microcode update, the primarily affected CPU line were i9

(referring to the Puget numbers)

[glossy glacier]

every cpu is affected, the higher ones just faster

[dire igloo]

Exactly my point

The i9 line were the ones that primarily showed issues.
The rest not so much

And with the patch, it's safe to say that performance creep will become an issue faster than degradation

[pure karma]

cause the one on the board is dead

[pure karma]

with the patch i removed a week ago cause i wanted my performance back

[pure karma]

its "probably" fine its at half of life already anyway

with me actively trying to murder it

[dire igloo]

Perfect setup for a joke about Americans not caring about safety measures put in place to protect them
And yes, I know you're Canadian

[visual tree]

They are organising a massive concert here in almost 400.000 square meters and they tell visitors to install an app so they can keep up with updates

Little did they know Wi-Fi can't handle 500.000 people and mobile network is probably going down

This is going to be interesting to watch lol

Correct me if I am wrong but there is not a single access point system and mobile network which can handle 500.000 people inside 400.000 square meters

You would need a LOT of access points for this not to mention ridiculous bandwidth

[charred relic]

North of 120 gigabit if everyone was capped at 256mbit maxxing it

lol

err 256kbit

Maybe the odds be ever in their favor...

not sure how much a single cell tower could handle...

as far as client count and b/w

[visual tree]

All telcos already mentioned in advance they will install multiple mobile base stations but issues will happen 100%

You can't simply handle so much people

[charred relic]

outside of b/w they can probably take the clients if they install the AP's

but do they have 200gigabit+ b/w?

[visual tree]

I would still rely on mobile network because if the concert organiser installed a lot of AP's, not a single ISP would offer 200 gigabit

I don't think even corporations get such speeds

[charred relic]

and 256kbit a super lowball that's snails pace by 2025 standards

[visual tree]

Correction: I am wrong about 200 gigabit

[charred relic]

know what 256kbit does for me? just pisses me off

lol

[visual tree]

Corporations can probably get such speeds but you won't find ISP public offers on the internet because such speeds are agreed in private between ISP's and corporations

[charred relic]

Wwell that's the thing plenty of telcos can do it if they run a drop

but that's expensive... and takes time and pre-planning

And when else will they need that installed there?

[visual tree]

Yeah, even with mobile base stations installed, ISP's said there will still be a lot of issues because not a single mobile broadband system can handle so much traffic in a very small space

[charred relic]

I mean shit AT&T will install 200gigabit where i sit... but if i could afford that i wouldn't live here lol

[visual tree]

15 days and counting lol

[charred relic]

they'd have to run like 5 miles of cable

(at least)

[visual tree]

I better grab popcorns because this is going to be interesting lol

[charred relic]

Some sites have a shitload of capacity

[visual tree]

Imagine 500.000 finding parking space at the time of concert, good luck 🤣

[charred relic]

like the downtown arenas all have way more than they typically need on tap

But that's places where they have huge events ALL the time

[visual tree]

Security experts already said at least 5 dead people can be expected, not to mention crowd control issues

[charred relic]

baseball and football arenas, basketball... hockey arenas

Most of those double for convensions of all sorts... including techy ones where everybody is a nerd that needs b/w lol

[visual tree]

I would never go to places where a lot of people are packed like sardines in a can. If someone trips, beg nothing happens to you

[charred relic]

There have been some nasty crowd tramplings.. and crushings

people get pushed up against a barrier and it's just people 60 deep behind you pushing... all of them

[visual tree]

Yeah, that's what I am worried about. If someone offers me a free ticket to such concert, no thank you....

[charred relic]

I've been to... a unch of shows

sometimes in the mosh pit lol

Those seem more dangerous than they used to be

[visual tree]

Don't want to try that here lol

[charred relic]

Back in my era if somebody fell it was almost like an organism surrounding it to keep people away

people rarely got more than some bruises

[visual tree]

Hope something like astroworld incident won't happen here

[charred relic]

People don't realize it but at a lot of those places you were well controlled like cattle lol

They spend a fortune on people that specialize in crowds and how to get them to go where and do what you'd prefer.

[midnight osprey]

anyone noticed this?

no skip to next video anymore? (youtube premium)

[visual tree]

Youtube has been going downhill for years recently. Worst update was making ads appear if you pause the video

Correction: youtube shorts was worse!

[jagged snow]

Unfortunately shorts has worked out incredibly well for them

And I've noticed on mobile that the number of in-video adds has gone way up
On a 20-minute video I'll sometimes get 5+ midroll ads

[visual tree]

Yeah, I hate that tik tok video format....

[visual tree]

Also happens to me regularly on Android

[jagged snow]

Yep

And sometimes there are two or three ads per add break so that when I'm watching a video on a technical topic I'll forget where it was at before the ads

[visual tree]

Better check youtube revanced again if it's still working

[midnight osprey]

mine is just bugging out then? lol

it betta not be because I am playing music

so tempted to stop paying for premium ... should be a flawless experience imo

[midnight osprey]

can't stand those, lol

hmmm, adblock was messing with it

[charred relic]

Been using Brave for a number of months now. So far no problems with YT... or anything else really

(I have YT premium)

[night girder]

Test one two three.

Damn. I am FICS now

[visual tree]

Glad they finally fixed you

*jk

[night girder]

There is no fixing me sadly.

[visual tree]

Sorry, I just watched IKEA puns video and now I see puns everywhere

[night girder]

No need to apologize 😄 It was a decent jab.

[visual tree]

That IKEA pun video though. It's a clever tactic if you don't want your wife to bring you to IKEA

[mental oriole]

[visual tree]

Just torture her with puns and she will never take you anywhere anymore https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T2oje4cYxw

[night girder]

Honestly, I don't see or hear commercials at all.

For years. Disconnected from radio ages ago. Add-blocking. And ditched traditional TV networks since streaming.

[visual tree]

If I see your face around here again... IKEA!

[night girder]

Sad that Diluted Kit turned into a lurker 😦

https://tenor.com/view/peek-creeping-gossip-tea-time-gif-20854500

[mental oriole]

The german spelling?

[night girder]

Wait. I learned a german word.

Fuck. Forgot it already.

[dire igloo]

Different tactic:
Don't have a wife

[visual tree]

Or that 👆

[mental oriole]

Sorry 😦

[night girder]

Ruhetag!

[visual tree]

Sunday

[dire igloo]

What German spelling?

[night girder]

You sure?

Sonntag

[visual tree]

*calls ordnungsamt

[mental oriole]

My german teacher claimed there was an acronym for IKEA or something.

Like 10+ years ago 🤣

[night girder]

You got a german teacher?

[mental oriole]

I had.

[night girder]

What did you do to them?

[dire igloo]

*backronym and it was a joke

Idioten kaufen einfach alles.

(idiots just buy everything)

[night girder]

rofl

idiots buy everything

That one translates pretty nicely into my language.

"Idioten kopen alles."

I am not sure about "einfach" to my language.

[visual tree]

Recently heard about "idiotentest"

[night girder]

Damn ... that's not PC.

[dire igloo]

FIAT - Fehler in allen Teilen (faulty in all parts)
HONDA - Hält ohnehin nur drei Ampeln (lasts only three traffic lights anyway)
etc

[visual tree]

I think it's driving licence test afaik

[night girder]

Haha, the germans dissing everything not BMW 🤣

[mental oriole]

How am I not surprised.

[night girder]

Brol Met Wielen (BMW).

Gargabe on wheels.

[visual tree]

Oh, it's a psychological evaluation if you are fit to be a driver

[dire igloo]

It's when your driver's license was revoked for too many or too strong violations against traffic laws

[night girder]

No way? It's called that, for real?

[mental oriole]

We have rhymes for some of them. Similar fashion.

[dire igloo]

They make you take that test to be eligible for getting your license back

[night girder]

Called the idiot test?

[dire igloo]

Bayerische Müllwagen
(Bavarian Trash Cars)

[dire igloo]

Nicknamed. Not officially called that

[night girder]

Ok, I was already thinking.

[visual tree]

Here, if they revoke your licence for 2 years, they will give it back after 2 years and won't ask any questions lol

[dire igloo]

cuz only idiots get to take it

[night girder]

You never know with Germany.

[visual tree]

Unless you obtained so many negative points in which case they will revoke your licence for life

[dire igloo]

There are many, many more like these
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backronym

[visual tree]

Here, there is negative "stereotype" about BMW drivers

[night girder]

I like the point system. We don't have it in my country.

[dire igloo]

We got that too - including ineligibility for taking a new driver's exam for some time

[dire igloo]

Never use turn signals, always speeding, complain about speeders and people who don't use turn signals

[dire igloo]

Point system in Germany basically means traffic violations are legal if you can afford them.

There are services where people pretend like they caused your infraction and take the punishment (for an extra fee)

And it's legal

[night girder]

Well here you are left to the whims of a judge, not better at all.

[dire igloo]

Cuz while you can't falsely accuse someone else, there's no law stopping you from falsely accusing yourself

[dire igloo]

Oh, trust me, we still got that too

[visual tree]

Here, if a BMW has working blinkers, it means the car is broken and you need to visit a car mechanic asap

[mental oriole]

@night girder I'm going back to lurking mode now.

[night girder]

We had some big celebrity crashing his car, drunk, endangering someone else, ... he got away with a few months without driving license.
Now it turns out, it's his 10 traffic violation with drinking. That made me question our system. And I understand why a lot of countries have point system.

[night girder]

You never left 😦

[dire igloo]

Point system handles the bulk, judges whatever isn't covered or gets disputed

[night girder]

All you do is lurk and once a day pop-up and then dissapear. But I hope you are good and having fun in life 😄

[mental oriole]

Just busy at work then semi dead at home :p

[night girder]

All I am saying, and that's just my point of view, that I think point system is better than current system my country has.

[dire igloo]

We too have that cuz celebrities and rich fucks can still abuse the system

[night girder]

Not perfect by any means, just better than 😉

[visual tree]

You collect 12 points in 2 years, you get licence revoked

[mental oriole]

But vacations in a few weeks so maybe a bit more active then.

[night girder]

it makes me so angry. 10 traffic violations with alcohol and speeding.

The dude is 50 years old celebrity with kids.

[dire igloo]

Fair point - I was just saying that a point system won't solve the issues

[night girder]

"He didn't know he drank that much ..." was his excuse. For real?

"He will never do it again ..."

"He will take alcohol management classes ..." blablabla

Shouldn't be allowed to drive for a few years.

Let them acknowledge that driving is a privilege, not a right.

[dire igloo]

Then you're on 11 points, get caught speeding which would give you the 12th, so you pay some random university student a hundred bucks to say that he was driving the car so that he will get the point

That's literally a service people offer here

[night girder]

Sorry. My blood boils to think such people drive around us.

[dire igloo]

And it's fucking legal

[night girder]

I did hear Germany finally stopped with the craazy autobahn principle?

That you can't just pedal to the metal anymore on the left.

[dire igloo]

And there were investigations by journalists and one owner of such a service did a public interview under his real name showing his face - and there were no consequences cuz he's just offering a legal service that people are using

[visual tree]

I think the driver here also gets negative points instead of the car owner

[dire igloo]

And while people are outraged that such services exist, the guy and the journalists did a good job at communicating "hate the game, not the player" so the guy actually didn't receive that many hateful messages

[visual tree]

Assuming you can identify the driver

[grand berry]

When??

[night girder]

Just over the years. That less and less autobahns allow to drive unlimmited speed.

[grand berry]

Oh ok

[night girder]

Someone told that to me last week. Not if it's true.

[grand berry]

I looked it up and its like 50% have no speed limit 20% have temporary limit

[visual tree]

Found something interesting regarding traffic violations here. If someone who is not the owner of the vehicle makes a traffic violation and the police can't identitfy the person, the car owner will get the fine but nobody will get negative points

[dire igloo]

Uhm, nope, still very much in place.
HOWEVER:

1. This is the default rule and it applies only if there's no other speed limit in place.
2. Plenty of autobahn segments have a speed limit, I think it's like ⅔
3. There are recurring demands by politicians and activists for the default rule to be a limit too - however there wasn't any actual legislation enforced
4. While there is no speed limit, there is a recommended speed of 130 kph which if you go over will mean that anything bad happening will be disproportionately attributed to your speed

None of this changed in the last couple years tho

[night girder]

Really?

I heard more and more cities or district, or however it works in Germany.

Just don't allow the "pedal to the metal" fromt he old ages.

[dire igloo]

The owner has to do due diligence which is generally considered done if the driver has a valid license and the vehicle was insured

[night girder]

Wasn't it way way way back, there were just no rules on the left?

Or not when it comes to speed?

[visual tree]

This also brings us close to what you mentioned before. If you are the owner of the car and the police can't identify it was you, you could say someone else was driving and you would avoid getting negative points

[dire igloo]

Uhm, once you're within city boundaries, you have a hard cap of 50 kph.
The zero limit rule only applies to Autobahn which are administered on the federal level

[night girder]

While there is no speed limit, there is a recommended speed of 130 kph which if you go over will mean that anything bad happening will be disproportionately attributed to your speed.

Someone also told me, that you aren't insured if you go above that speed limit?

[dire igloo]

Cities and states have no say in Autobahn speed limits

[night girder]

Let me rephrase.

You are insured. But if you are above speed limit, you cause an accident, you have to pay full.
Insurance doesn't come inbetween because you were driving above the 130 speed limit.

That did make sense to me for some reason. Give people the freedom to drive fast. Give people all the responsibility if things go wrong.

[dire igloo]

Can't remember there ever being such a rule in modern times.
Autobahn having no speed limit by default is the only thing that comes close to it - and that applies to all lanes.
And actually, if there is no other car on the road, you have to drive on the right - and adjust speed according to visibility

[night girder]

But it's a crazy concept to think cars can drive so hard if they want

[night girder]

Realllly? All lanes? We all learn it's only on the left here haha 😄

That's crazy... all lanes wtf.

[grand berry]

Some guy broke 414 kmh recently i think

[night girder]

The left makes sense.

Don't want to drive fast? Go right. Want to drive fast or take risks? Go left.

[dire igloo]

It's not a speed limit, it's a recommendation. You can go over and insurance will have to cover still.
However, they can reduce the amount they cover if they can prove that the damages hadn't been that bad if you were driving the recommended speed

[night girder]

But now nothing is safe on a autobahn.

[night girder]

Mtfucker lied to me. And I still remember who it was.

Old colleague at work, who lived in Romania or something and went home every weekend. He had a mustang car and just went through german home ... every weekend.

"Only is a few hours drive" he told me.

[dire igloo]

Well, if you're going 400 in the right lane, anyone who just got onto the Bahn at 80kph or smth will be a big risk factor - so if you want to go petal to the metal, you better do it in the left most lane.

But legally, on the Autobahn:

• unless specified otherwise, no speed limit on any lane
• drive as far to the right as the traffic allows
• adjust your speed to the circumstances (visibility, surface conditions, etc)

[night girder]

So freaking vague.

Well, if it works for the country, not my business.

[dire igloo]

Not necessarily lied to - maybe exaggerated or misrepresented.
Also: what I said is the legal perspective. In reality, they absolutely will cover as little as they can make the math allow

[dire igloo]

heh. Wouldn't say it does

[grand berry]

Can you drive a car thats not technically street legal on it

[night girder]

In my head, it wasn't so stupid that the law and goverment said;

Ok, you can drive as fast as you want BUT you can't expect the insurance to cover this bullshit if you crash your porsch on autobahn at 300 kmph.

[dire igloo]

They might even say that whatever happened wouldn't have happened at 130 - which if true would mean nigh zero coverage

[night girder]

Because for a lot of people, they will drive saver if they know insurance doesn't cover em.

[grand berry]

February 19, 2019

[dire igloo]

Insurance and law are two separate entities.
Insurance policies will include the law, but they can't refuse coverage if you technically did nothing wrong (it's the technicalities that matter)

[dire igloo]

No. You also can't drive anything that can't do 60 kph

If you're a farmer with a tractor capped at 59 kph, you can't take that on the Autobahn

[grand berry]

But i mean something like the porsche 919 evo

This thing

[night girder]

Not always. Actually, the two have common grounds.

[dire igloo]

I remember smth about a guy from Dubai in a Bugatti

He had people at every approach to the Bahn that warned oncoming traffic and he did it at like 5am.
Which is why he wasn't fined or punished in any way - while he did aim to go for max speed (which is punishable as a crime), he also took reasonable precautions to avoid harming anyone else

[night girder]

Law can create context for insurance.

Even insurance companies have laws they have to abide too.

[dire igloo]

Yes, but law can't tell insurers what not to insure

[night girder]

And with law, I also mean the law makers, goverments.

It's 100% possible for a country to say; above this speed limit, insurance companies have the right to not intervene.

[dire igloo]

The traffic laws make no statement about what is or isn't insured, your insurance contract does

[night girder]

Then it's up to insurance companies to choice what to do.

[dire igloo]

Exactly

[night girder]

They can insure above speed limit or not. But if they don't and people complain, the insurance company has the law behind em.

But maybe I was not clear with my phrasing 😄

[dire igloo]

I was taking issue with this wording cuz it insinuated that the legislation also regulated your insurance policy - which it doesn't

[night girder]

Second time i hear the word insinuating today. It's such a dangerous thing to insinuate anything.

[dire igloo]

Again, it's not a limit. It's a recommendation.
A limit is violated if you go over.
It's not a traffic violation to exceed the Richtgeschwindigkeit.

[dire igloo]

I like the German word Unterstellung too

[night girder]

I said: It's 100% possible for a country to say; above this speed limit, insurance companies have the right to not intervene.

[dire igloo]

cuz it basically says what it means: introducing an assumption upon which the statement is built

[night girder]

But that's not my point, my point was, I saw a logic in it. That's why I believe him when they told me that 😦

[night girder]

I myself make too many insinuations and found out, they are 50% or more of the time off 😄

Today somebody got angry at me because they made so many insinuations in their head, while I was not aware of any of it since I wasn't making any insinuations.

[dire igloo]

I am arguing about the word "speed limit" itself because "Richtgeschwindigkeit" is by definition NOT a limit, it's a recommendation.
They tell you that you should only go that fast, but they're not disallowing you to go over.

And insurance companies use that as justification for reducing your coverage:
You went against a recommendation, so you knew you were disregarding safety

[night girder]

AAH! 😄 Gotcha.

Sorry, culture thing 😉

[dire igloo]

You don't get fined for going over the Richtgeschwindigkeit, but you will be if you exceed the Höchstgeschwindigkeit

[night girder]

We have a speed limit nothing else.

[dire igloo]

Ehhhh, less culture, just an extra in-between step

Which is important to know

[night girder]

Very much a culture difference between your culture and mine 😄

and that's 100% fine btw. Not an insult.

The whole autobahn logic is pretty special you know that right?

[dire igloo]

cuz it also affects insurance policies.
An insurer can't outright refuse coverage when exceeding the recommended speed - because you did nothing wrong, they can't act like you did.
However, you were acting "recklessly" in the sense that you wilfully ignored a recommendation

So they can reduce your coverage to whatever it would've been had you abided to the recommendation

[night girder]

Ah, that makes sense.

[dire igloo]

Yup - there are a lot of exceptions to wrap your head around

[night girder]

So you have a recommendation (that you can accept or not) and sometimes you have a limit (not autobahn I guess)?

And if you ignore recommendation, insurance can't just say "You ignored a recommendation so we don't insure". If I understand it a bit?

[dire igloo]

There are default rules and there are localized rules

By default, there are no speed limits on the Autobahn.
But if the local circumstances require it, there will be a limit for that stretch of the road

Same for streets in the city:
You'll have speed limits during the night for noise reduction or during weekdays near schools and daycare centers

[night girder]

I am tempted to start looking up data now. I am really curious now in accidents ratio etc 😄

[dire igloo]

The default is that big sign right at the country's border that tells you "hey, if you don't see any other rule applied, this is what you have to follow"

[grand berry]

Isnt one of the reasons the autobahn exists is bc its so hard to get a licence in germany?

[night girder]

No.

The history of the autobahn I know is different.

[dire igloo]

In Germany, there are three types of speed regulations:
Maximum (duh), recommended (can go over but shouldn't) and minimum (can't go under)

[night girder]

It was to create jobs at the moment in history.

[grand berry]

Oh

But it is hard to get a licence correct?

[night girder]

The usage of the autobahn, I don't know. I just know who made the autobahn. Or atleast what historians tell me.

[dire igloo]

No, they can't. They still have to insure.
But they can reduce the coverage - which in reality almost always comes close to a refusal

[night girder]

I don't think we even have a minimum 😦

Our law states something vague like; "You can't drive at a speed that endangeres others. While its by being too slow too fast".
Then we have laws that specify what is too fast. But no concrete numbers for too slow.

So in reality, nobody ever gets fined for driving too slow, because nobody knows what "too slow" actually is. Is it 10 below speed limit? 20? 30?

Is it a % maybe?

[dire igloo]

Ehh. It's a convoluted process and the hurdles are definitely higher than elsewhere, but it's still somewhat easy.
You have to take a written exam (ish, it's multiple choice with a set of standardized questions) and you have to pass an actual driving test

[grand berry]

Ok

[night girder]

There is a trick Maow.

Don't get your License in Germany. Then go drive in Germany 😉

[grand berry]

WAIT