off-topic-tech

[safe trench]

we need mewcue

this would fix every and all problem with icue

we just need it to work with cat mews

mew most certainly

synapase is the definition of "le dogshit"

my aether lamp would randomly disconnect and stay one color because it couldnt connect despite being right next to it

VERY un mew approval

i dont buy and razer products anymore

i mean their april fools are good
like acutal king of april fools

[pure karma]

i nerver even looked at a razor product after i learned they literally dont work at all unless you have the software

they are bricked without it

[charred relic]

i hate when that happens

[pure karma]

every good product gets discontinued for something worst

[cyan crescent]

Can i use a 7900xtx as my main gpu and have a second gpu 2080 ti for physx or will that not work?

[pure karma]

What?

[charred relic]

I remember when they sold those physx cards

they should just re-release that sort of thing to complete yet another bonehead move

[pure karma]

1. No its probably like everything else 2. Why 3. If its in reference to the removal of physicsX thats only on rtx 50 series

[languid gulch]

lol could you imagine all those old mobos with both PCIe & AGP suddenly having a use again

[cyan crescent]

Does a 7900xtx have physx support?

[pure karma]

is it a RTX 50 series gpu?

[languid gulch]

🤣

jesus, what was the last gpu line that didn't have phsyx

[pure karma]

I dont know cause i probably wasn’t born

[cyan crescent]

Its amd so i assume it doesnt have physx support. My 2080 ti is just kinda sitting on a shelf collecting dust and i want to put it to use again

[pure karma]

the answer is yes cause its not a 50 series gpu

[cyan crescent]

It does have physx support?

[pure karma]

or atleast probably whatever the amd alternative is

[cyan crescent]

I dont think it does. Most of what i see says it cant support it.

But if i put my 2080 ti in there, maybe i can do most of the work on my 7900xtx and offload physx to the 2080 ti

[pure karma]

anything multi gpu has been dead for ages

[cyan crescent]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Then what do i do with my second gpu?

[pure karma]

sell it probably, or keep it it

[cyan crescent]

I wanna keep it and do something with it but dont know what

[dire igloo]

Have you seen the current US GPU market?

[cyan crescent]

Its fucked

[languid gulch]

at this point i could probably get $500 for my 2gb R460

[dire igloo]

And you know that video is an accurate representation of performance how?

[cyan crescent]

If nvidia wasnt charging the equivalent of a down payment on a house, using egregious amounts of power and using 12pin connector, maybe i would buy one of their gpus

[dire igloo]

And if it's actual grey market, you just paid for pirated windows

[cyan crescent]

You pay for windows?

[languid gulch]

if you have an old system with anything windows 7 or newer, you can just yank the activation code off of it & it should work

[dire igloo]

nah, massgrave.dev
Fuck Michaelsoft

[cyan crescent]

Microsoft is seriously pushing me to linux. Im not getting w11

[languid gulch]

i like how about 95% of it seems basically the same as win10, but that last 5% was fucked with

[cyan crescent]

I ran “w11” drivers on w10 when i downgraded my laptop to w10

And i had no issues

[dire igloo]

Anyways, here's my take:

• decent GPU at decent price, but can do better on $1500
• strong CPU, but definitely focused on endgame satisfactory
• too little info on RAM, might be shit
• too little info on SSD, might be shit
• overpriced case with too few and too weak fans
• good cooler, bit overkill maybe
• PC can't be built and won't even turn on cuz no PSU and no mainboard

Overall: it's better to just give us a link so we can find the relevant part info ourselves

[charred relic]

oo newegg has that monitor for the same price that'd save me a trip

[safe trench]

yes

if not more than enough

but even then i can still get msrp b580s when they restock at microcenter tustin

[languid gulch]

yea i've definitely noticed that win11 likes to crap itself a lot more often than 10

[cyan crescent]

Is that about linux?

[dire igloo]

It's not a good monitor if you're looking to game on it
#off-topic-tech message

[safe trench]

bruh my pc keeps getting no bootable image
untill i reset my bios settings
like every 1/15 startups

[languid gulch]

it won't blue screen, but stuff will just slow down or glitch out until it doesn't work at all

[charred relic]

The cycle has never changed with Windows. One bad, one good, one bad, one good.

[dire igloo]

It's a joke about how awful windows is, even if it was free and not $120 per user

[cyan crescent]

I just pirate windows.

[charred relic]

Would have thought the pattern would have broken but not really

[languid gulch]

i feel like it wouldn't be quite so annoying if DDR5 ram didn't do it's full retraining every time win11 did a full-on crash

[dire igloo]

If there is a Microcenter nearby

[cyan crescent]

So how does linux do for gaming?

[safe trench]

boo

[dire igloo]

CPU for $378 not $350
Overkill overpriced MB
Overpriced RAM
Ewaste SSD
GPU at $540, not $280
meh value PSU

That's a <$1300 config, probably closer to $1200 if picked sensibly

[languid gulch]

i have Intel, Honeywell, Boeing, Northrop Grumman, TSMC (almost), Qualcomm, and a world-class materials science university within an hour's drive of me. no Microcenter

[dire igloo]

Most stuff works nicely.
Riot Games titles unavailable and will remain like that (Vanguard doesn't work for Linux and won't be adapted for it).
Some EasyAntiCheat titles also don't work cuz devs didn't enable support for Linux despite EAC offering it - two culprits I know are Destiny 2 and Fortnite.
And some games are just a bit wonky

Check protondb.com for more info

[safe trench]

microcenter is LITERAL heaven

[languid gulch]

yup

[cyan crescent]

I dont play d2 or fortnite. Hate those 2. Ive been playing games like satisfactory, dyson sphere program, warframe, doom and helldivers 2

[languid gulch]

7 hour drive for me, minimum

[safe trench]

yikes

[cyan crescent]

I have a microcenter that is a 3hr drive from me

[dire igloo]

Some games even run better on Linux than Windows because of less bloated OS

[languid gulch]

yea, not even a day trip for me. weekend trip

[safe trench]

so it turns out im super close to a microcenter compared to you guys

[dire igloo]

For any specific game, proton has info on how well they run on Linux.
The examples I named are just examples, not a complete list. Other games can still not work

[languid gulch]

i'm not even middle of nowhere. 5 million people here with massive electronics & materials manufacturing

[cyan crescent]

Where can i find proton?

[dire igloo]

I'd have to fly like 10h

[dire igloo]

protondb.com

[safe trench]

build an microcenter in intel

HUGE missed oppertunity ngl

[languid gulch]

there's not much tech in the east end of the valley, a microcenter there would be great

and it'd be right near a rapidly growing municipal airport eyeing to compete directly with the main int'l one

[cyan crescent]

Im off to go find some interesting things to 3d print

[safe trench]

yo if someone flies out

just to go to microcenter

[languid gulch]

i'd buy a 3d printer just to make adapters for things around the house 🤣

[safe trench]

dont even go or i can offer you a therapist

[languid gulch]

i mean, to avoid the traffic, it might be faster to fly here & back to LA than it'd be to go to the Tustin location 🤣

[safe trench]

ofc lol

[languid gulch]

🤣

[safe trench]

wait what your in la?

[languid gulch]

nope

phoenix-ish

[safe trench]

oh

[languid gulch]

which is like a 1hr flight from LA

[safe trench]

but yea

traffic for la is UNFATHOMABLE

[languid gulch]

it can take 2hrs just to get out of the LA basin

[safe trench]

people will kill themselves to get here

knowing (or not) its a portal to a place riddled with homeless and people that will target any tesla they see

[languid gulch]

yea we've got plenty of that here too

we're mini LA in a lot of ways

[safe trench]

kinda funny how nothing is really good in la anyways

yet people go anyways

[cyan crescent]

Thats what im doing right now. Need a tld adapter for me belt.

[languid gulch]

yea i already have a list going 🤣

a lot of tool holders & grouping thingies

[cyan crescent]

I need to get into 3d modeling

If i had a resin printer, id be printing figures but the one i want is expensive.

[languid gulch]

some of the toy stuff looks like fun, but i look at a lot of it & realize i can make it into something useful

[safe trench]

make a gun and put in a nerf bullet shooting mechanism

[languid gulch]

we were the initial test area for amazon's drone delivery, but the airspace was already too fucked up to make it viable

[safe trench]

run up to someone after they leave __

[languid gulch]

guesses as to Oxnard to San Bernardino drive time?

[safe trench]

6 hours

[languid gulch]

🤣

[safe trench]

3-6

[safe trench]

🚡 *

[cyan crescent]

8

[languid gulch]

google's saying 2hrs with all the highways clear (LOL)

3.5 by bus

so yea, for the price, vehicle wear & tear, time suck, & grey hair from the stress, it might actually be better to fly to here and uber to a microcenter if they built it

they've also been building up a bunch of gigantic stores all around that airport, so a microcenter might not be dumb to just plop down within walking distance

oooooooooo

i forgot a big manufacturer just closed

they could take over their facility if it's big enough

oh it'd be 4x the size of the one in tustin 🤣

but yea, if you wanna look at hte definition of "growth opportunities", check out the map at Mesa-Gateway airport

retired AFB with 3 full fat runways

[visual tree]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/s/ub5M1usotb

I wonder how much money someone made from just renaming HBO Max to Max and then back to HBO Max 🤣

"The press release states that HBO is returning because of the quality that the name represents in the media. However, the reasons now given for the return of HBO as a service name are reminiscent of those that originally served to remove it. In fact, it has been argued that the strong image of the HBO brand could turn away potential subscribers who are more interested in reality-heavy content from channels such as HGTV, Discovery and TLC. It turned out, however, that this was not the case."

[dire igloo]

I'm already a millionaire

I own 1,000,000 Vietnamese Dong

-# that's about 34.41 EUR or 38.52 USD

[mental oriole]

Not to confuse with Max.

[visual tree]

All that pointless name change would turn me into Mad Max for sure

Unless you are referring to a less popular cinemax service which is also called max

[drowsy coral]

It's already built and turns on, I just didn't mention the motherboard and PSU. BTW I forgot to say but that $1500 includes tax, so it's more like $1350 or so. The RAM is corsair vengeance and ssd is samsung 990 pro.

[dire igloo]

That RAM info doesn't narrow it down enough - what speed and CL? Also, what MB and PSU?

Tax included, that pricing seems normal - still suboptimal tho, could've been improved it quite a bit with different picks.
Most important thing is that you are happy, can't minmax satisfaction

[mental oriole]

Burger chain in sweden

[visual tree]

Oh

[drowsy coral]

Ram is 6000mbps and the motherboard is one of the Asus ROG B650 models. PSU is Corsair RM750e

[dire igloo]

RAM CL? 28, 30, 36, 48?

Also, Asus's B650 lineup ranges from barely holding up to great quality

[languid gulch]

i wonder if any count as Land Rovers

stupidly expensive and also garbage

[dire igloo]

Almost the entire strix lineup

[languid gulch]

one of the better feelings in electronics: having all your stuff charged

[languid gulch]

if i didn't get mine for free i'd almost be offended 🤣

i'm just glad that AMD mobos don't need to be able to handle 2.5x the power like they do with Intel

[night girder]

Don't buy the brand, buy the model a famous person once said.

[dire igloo]

Hence why I said "almost", there are some good AM5 strix boards - and it all depends on pricing too

Also, if the product range is small enough, you absolutely can generalize like this

[night girder]

[dire igloo]

[pure karma]

thats not how ram works but sure

[dire igloo]

Eh, MHz is wrong too, it's clear they meant MT/s

[midnight osprey]

hey guys is this legit?

ah feck, lol

www.wps.com/blog/numbers-app-for-pc-a-comprehensive-guide/

[twin dew]

Seems to be AI generated crap page.
Basics might be true.

[midnight osprey]

i mean the app

[twin dew]

Numbers?
https://www.apple.com/in/numbers/

Ok, that was probably indian page version, sorry

[mental oriole]

Numbers is a legit app no?

[midnight osprey]

that was my first thought, but on PC

[twin dew]

That was the cloud version in browser it was using?

[midnight osprey]

I use numbers on my iphone

[twin dew]

Numbers for iCloud is legit thing

[midnight osprey]

I just followed this, lol

[night girder]

Numbers is Apple excel.

[midnight osprey]

yup

[twin dew]

Yes, and that site had links to download another office software mixed in with AI generated text about Apple Numbers.

And mainly contained how to use that browser iCloud version in Windows.

And then hallucinations on how that is downloading to PC.

[night girder]

If you want the leggit, use app store.

[twin dew]

Because it was generated with some kind of AI template for pages about whatever program was input as prompt.

Lot of sites like that around now where they had LLMs generate various "help" pages for various apps etc.

Where often 50% of stuff is just wrong.
And which usually contradict themselves between subheader contents.

[latent whale]

The AI slop in the past 1 1/2 years has totally messed up google search

[night girder]

Yeah, I noticed that too. Mostly for game help pages.

Which seemed to be AI generated and were full of mistakes.

[midnight osprey]

there is no app for windows so was hoping this WPS open license app was ok

[twin dew]

Basic template prompt that then gets fed to LLM with just app/game/thing name switched to generate answer pages for everything.
And then search boosted to hell.

[latent whale]

Theirs irony in this, AI deep-searches can actually be really good... Basically you have to work-around AI with more AI

[twin dew]

Don't...

Get LibreOffice

[midnight osprey]

uh oh, lol

[night girder]

Yeah, and the layout is like it's written by a "human". So it often looks like a leggit article.

[midnight osprey]

k, will do

[dire igloo]

I love finding seemingly in-depth articles only to notice the exact same linguistic patterns and inaccuracies red-flagging the content as AI generated

[twin dew]

Basically for office softwares, there is MS Office, that is Windows only.
Then there are the Apples softwares for MacOS and iOS.
And then there is LibreOffice (forked from OpenOffice) when you want free or Linux.

[night girder]

I hope in the future, the reader has an option to check out if the content they read is AI generated or human generated. But no clue how the world is going to be able to do that. You cannot force labels, people will just not put up the labels.

[latent whale]

It's getting really good at that too. I've been 10 minutes into something just be like "Wait a second..."

[night girder]

But please, someone smart out there, figure out a system to filter AI crap out and label it for transperency.

[latent whale]

Google can somewhat filter AI results, other AI deep-searches that can filter out AI content with... AI... are unfortunately the best option rn

[twin dew]

And anything else is really not suggested in any way or form.

[dire igloo]

Yeah, it's crazy
Then again, most articles have the same vague start and get more specific over time.
And while it's hard to spot AI in the vague introductions, the "elaborations" make it really obvious

[twin dew]

And when they start to repeat same things in different ways, or often even with those contradictions, in subsequent parts.

In a way that almost no human would when writing.

[latent whale]

A year ago all AI's repeated shit, they're getting so much better at that, they'll leave the repititions until the end of article

[dire igloo]

That or presenting different content in the exact same way

[twin dew]

Yeah, but when the page is series of questions and answers basically, like many of those pages are.
And each one had been prompted separately.

[dire igloo]

Which is quite uncanny

[latent whale]

The "QA style" is a dead give away, I feel like they're gonna do some scummy shit to change that now that people have wised up

[night girder]

It's websites like this I have questions.

[pure karma]

yea thats ai atleast on the second one anyway

[latent whale]

Did you say Need for Speed Heat?!?

[night girder]

The two screenshots are from the same webpage. I mean, I only scrolled down to take second screenshot to show QA.

[pure karma]

either that or a bot of a person wrote it

[night girder]

Also the fact it's written in 2024. When the game hype was LONG gone by then.

[pure karma]

it could also be just a copy pasted artical

[latent whale]

The first one is just lame game journalism. The second SS is "Need for Speed Heat" everywhere

[pure karma]

where they just copy paste random facts into one big info actical

[midnight osprey]

thanks man

[pure karma]

whitout knowing a single thing about the subject

just to cash out on it

[dire igloo]

It's too consistent in the wording for that

LLMs absolutely LOVE to generate answers in a form of "here's an introduction, some extra info for consideration and a list of bullet points"

[twin dew]

Probably two stage process.
First asks the LLM for most common questions related to X.
And then second part feeds each of the questions first LLM run generated second time through LLM.

[dire igloo]

The first screenshot is very obviously AI too

[dire igloo]

Dead internet theory

[charred relic]

So some students built a machine that can solve a rubiks cube in 0.1 seconds heh

it's literally a if you blink you'll miss it type thing

[twin dew]

The big problem with those is to make a cube that moves smoothly enough to work at those speeds without breaking and coming apart.
Not the other stuff.

[charred relic]

My uncle was an amateur magician, my cousin could solve two wild junggling them...

*while

I remember one of the first cheats for the rubiks cube was so silly... and simple

stickers... a sheet of sickers

people would not be able to solve it but want it back to it's solve configuration lol

you could also just take them apart and reassemble solved... you could also re-assemble one in a config that was impossible to solve if I recall correctly

I just think it's neat those things are still around heh

[languid gulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW5WQY7Ym0I

[night girder]

Will give it a watch once I get my food.

[twin dew]

TLDR:
Way overpriced.
RAM gets cooked by the GPU to 100C(?)
Already stuff in the water cooling water and/or soft tubing already getting colored when they got the delivery.

Bought just to get RTX 5090, and tested before getting stripped.

[night girder]

TLDW 😉

Was watching the thumbnail and was wondering wtf was going through the case. Then I noticed its the watercool system

[twin dew]

Giant radiator for #800X3D, as there wasn't option to get that 5090 water cooled when they ordered, now there is for $200 extra.

[languid gulch]

the tubing for $8K had better beat the radiator hosing in a 1996 plymouth

[twin dew]

And the case fans run purely on CPU thermals, that never rise because of the way overblown water cooling for the CPU power.
So the GPU hotboxes rest of the components.

[night girder]

Tubing doesnt look good to me.

[languid gulch]

yup

[safe trench]

mew

[night girder]

Watched first 10 minuts of it. The sarcasm is high in the video 😂

[dire igloo]

of course it is, it's a GN video

[night girder]

“No discolouration tubing” … uhu uhu 😂

21 tune pieces and they got 16 or something?

And this is the prebuilt that the fans dont spin for 8 minutes straight or was that precious prebuilt they made?

[twin dew]

Fans never really spin up because of being driven purely by CPU temperature.
And the giant radiator and all the water means that the low wattage CPU never heats up.

Which leads to that RAM actually hitting real danger temperatures outside the spec from GPU heat output.

[night girder]

My interpretation is this; fans not spin = fan not spinning at all.

[twin dew]

Can also just mean "not spin up".

[night girder]

exactly. But then he should said that.

Sorry, but there is a difference between fans not doing anything for 8 seconds. Or fans spinning but just not ramping up when component gets hotter.

[twin dew]

And remember those are autogenerated subtitles, so there can be mistakes in them compared to what was actually said.

And that specific one seems like it is missing something.

[night girder]

let me check. And I know how YT subtitles work 😄

"by choosing not spin the fans for 8 minutes* while under load". - exact quote as heard by my ears.

0:48 +- of the YT video.

And later on in the video, you can see AVG fan speed being 0 for 600-700 seconds.

[twin dew]

Ok, so really so low PWM signal they don't spin at all.

Because of the inertia from all the water.

And bad control temperature source selection.

[night girder]

It seems to kick in around 85 degree celcius?

[twin dew]

Ah, no, the CPU heats way up too...

So even weirder.

[night girder]

Exaclty.

Not normal behavior imo.

But then I never owned a watercooling. But if GN raises an eyebrow.

To be fair, it does keep the CPU under 90 🤣

[twin dew]

And for max boost, you need to keep it under 78C IIRC?

[night girder]

What do you mean with max boost?

Full load?

[twin dew]

Max frequency gets derated on AMD AM5 CPUs after certain point in steps.

As you need more voltage for same frequency at higher temperature, and the voltage headroom runs out in the turbo table.

[night girder]

shit

[twin dew]

As example from single core on specific CPU unit for Zen 4:

Almost certainly 7950X from the max frequency reached.

Experimental measurement with single-core pinned load

[night girder]

Thanks, I didn't know that 👍

Is that just a general rule? That high temperature = more voltage for same frequency? Or does this only apply to CPU's and boost?

[twin dew]

Yes.
And also more die damage over time from that voltage and amperage.

Basic thing is that undoped silicon conducts more at higher temperature, so you get more leakage.
Which necessiates more voltage to keep the operation of the MOSFETs stable at certain frequency.
And also even more power used for same frequency from that leakage.

So same CPU, running at same voltage and frequency, doing same load, uses more power when the die is hotter.

[night girder]

But also for RAM and GPU?

[twin dew]

Any silicon based thing.

[night girder]

Yeah, gotcha.

There was a super interesting article on tweakers on how they make silicon etc.

[twin dew]

And the reason for that lowered max voltage at higher temperatures is to keep that chip life long enough.

[night girder]

And somebody in the comments, wrote another whole article to correct the article. Because they claim to work in a factory. I think they even say they are a CEO somewhere with silicon. Anyway. That comment was even more interesting.

Too bad it's all in dutch, I think you might find it very interesting to read. Very technical.

[twin dew]

As the max at 75-80 and 80-95 is 1.386V, then at 85-90 is 1.353V and then at 90-95 is 1.337v and 95-100v is 1.330.
Derating to keep the use life, as that die degradation depends voltage, amperage and temperature.

And the effects are very process dependant too, but AMD etc. have access to the information about that from TSMC.

But again as basics, higher voltage causes more over time damage higher the die temperature is.

So that specific core drops about 50mV from the max voltage it is willing to use when temperature rises to max allowed, compared to max it is willing to use at lower temperatures.

[pure karma]

Good thing you got ai to translate it

[charred relic]

Estimated delivery May 21st

[safe trench]

thank god

first use for ai since 1bc

[twin dew]

As continuation to yesterday.
AMD has that derating in turbo table max after certain temperature.
Intel has the same as TVB (Thermal Velocity Boost), last 200MHz of turbo allowed, not being usable after certain temperature is reached.
And that thermal limit was one of the things which wasn't working on 13th and 14th gen microcode before patches.
So TVB could activate at any temperature, giving the CPU more voltage and more frequency.

Ok, seems to only be 100MHz more when under 70C.

[night girder]

Good addition Baldur

[twin dew]

Another case where AMD has single integrated solution and Intel has crap stacked on top of crap in their Turbo tech...
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/gaming/resources/how-intel-technologies-boost-cpu-performance.html

[night girder]

Frequency seems to be limited by power, current and temperature.

Then you have that "Opportunistically increases clock frequency by up to 100MHz; " - Intel® Thermal Velocity Boost

Man ... what is all this 🤣

[twin dew]

Incremental improvements on new generations, each time getting new branding etc.

[night girder]

You also have Intel® Adaptive Boost Technology

[twin dew]

Instead of just being actually integrated.

[night girder]

Ah, makes sense.

It all seems to boil down to; how far can we push silicon with an acceptable lifespan

[willow pike]

the result of all this is when an amd mobile cpu is limited to, say, 35W, it will be rock solid at 35W; voltage and frequency will bounce around to keep the wattage fixed, for predictable cooling and battery discharge

equivalent intel cpus will flail about between the different limits and nothing ends up flat

apple's M cpus are more primitive in that they'll remain fixed at given frequencies, resulting in unpredictable wattage, but they get mostly away with it by being efficient; but there's still edge cases where it'll suddenly throttle hard in macbook airs

[night girder]

@twin dew I am not sure if I understand where you make distinction between AMD having a integrated solution and Nvidia having a non integrated solution(s).

[twin dew]

Intel.
AMD has that single multidimensional turbo table, on per core basis, and then more general max on per CPU basis based on how many cores are active.
Intel has multiple techs layered on top of each other over time.

Without the newer versions actually integrating the older versions into them, but just layering on top.

[night girder]

Yes, sorry Intel.

[night girder]

Gotcha. AMD is also precious boost overdrive right? Or that's the marketing name

[twin dew]

That is just power limiting changing, nothing else.

[night girder]

Sure?

[twin dew]

Ok, the branding for tuning those three limiter max values.

Not just PPT.

With preset options to change all in predetermined steps, or manual for full manual changing.

[willow pike]

precision boost is the name of the super smart tech that manages everything; precision boost overdrive is the brand for letting you increase the limits

[twin dew]

Yup.

[willow pike]

without PBO, overclocking means disregarding all of this fancy stuff and running your CPU at a constant frequency and voltage

[night girder]

Just saying that it also boosts frequency, depending on headroom of temp and current.

[twin dew]

And Curve Optimizer is just setting offsets to that multidimensional turbo table.

[willow pike]

more power limit means more frequency

[twin dew]

Just directly from that turbo table being able to go to higher frequency steps.

[night girder]

Gotcha, but your point was that AMD had a solid solution for this and Intel is doing patch work 😄

[twin dew]

Because the power and/or current isn't hitting limits.

[night girder]

Actually cool.

[willow pike]

also important to point out is that motherboard manufacturers fuck with intel and amd; moreso intel, but definitely both

[night girder]

If I read correctly, it's pretty careful by boosting core per core with tiny increments. And monitoring headroom constantly.

[willow pike]

ye

their monitoring is also more accurate and more frequent than intel iirc but i can't remember by how much

[twin dew]

25MHz steps with Zen3 and up.
With microsecond or lower timesteps.

[willow pike]

are intel still 100MHz steps

[night girder]

Ok, seems AMD is also not innocent when it comes to technology overflow

So under PBO2, there is 5-6 other technologies/marketing names.

[twin dew]

That is basically marketing slide.
All those are integrated into the tech as combined whole.
Just tuning the various variables in the tech.

[willow pike]

PPT, EDC and TDC aren't technologies, they're names for values to monitor

[night girder]

But is PPT really a technology? 🤔

It's just power tracking 🤣

[willow pike]

ye

[night girder]

Yeah I agree, just was reading it while talking to you.

[twin dew]

Curve Optimizer for example just offsets the frequency used for certain voltage & temperature combo.

From that combined multidimensional table.

[night girder]

Adjusting the table right? Yeah.

[willow pike]

curve optimiser allows for selective undervolting; if you undervolt the whole table by an equal amount you'll end up unstable at idle

[twin dew]

So basically this, but then you offset so you use the voltage one step "above" the value in the pic when doing -1 curve optimizer.

[willow pike]

with CO you keep idle voltage but reduce load voltage

[twin dew]

The actual table is of course much more granular.

[night girder]

Ok, this one needs explaining.

So they say by undervolting, you create more headroom for higher frequencies*.

But, the higher frequencies, will eventually get the same temperature and be the same no?

[twin dew]

So at Curve Optimizer 0, at 90-95C, with 5100 MHz, the CPU normally gets 1.316V.
But with negative Curve Optimizer, you then offset to previous voltage bin, so it gets 1.295V, which would normally have been used with 5075MHz.

[night girder]

Yes, but how does that help with higher frequency.

[twin dew]

Moving the voltage curve downwards with negative offset, upwards with positive offset, but based on the programmed voltage curve.

[night girder]

Sure the CPU will be a little bit cooler.

Because of the 1.295V.

[twin dew]

Lower voltage, less heat, less power.
So allows for more boost at same power etc.

[night girder]

Yes I know.

But when you ramp up frequency, you have benefits for how long a second?

[willow pike]

it'll reach higher frequencies with lower voltage at the same power

[twin dew]

So in actuality it allows boosting to higher frequency at the limits.

[night girder]

Oh right! Because hot silicon= more power usage because of the leakage of silicon.

[twin dew]

More frequency for same voltage, heat and power.

Until you hit the top of the turbo table programmed.
And then you just heat less.

[willow pike]

it's more effective than PBO

[night girder]

Forgot that. (again)

Ok, makes sense. Thanks Baldur.

[twin dew]

And that Precision Boost Overdrive Scalar basically allows you to trade CPU longevity for more performance.

[night girder]

Not that I am going to underclock 😄

[twin dew]

It changes value for CPU degradation over time allowed in the boost algo.

So allows the CPU to cause more damage to itself in same time.

[willow pike]

with curve optimiser you may end up with an unstable system but you won't damage your CPU at all

[twin dew]

And more stable than just VCore offset.

As it offsets the curve, and isn't static offset.

And with the new version you can just offset parts of the curve etc.

[willow pike]

it's the best way to get more performance out of a ryzen

[night girder]

But it's not healthy? Or less healthy for CPU then leaving it stock.

[willow pike]

more power limit than stock is never healthy

[twin dew]

No, but AMD is giving the option.
And many OC guides again ignore what it actually does and just tell to set it to max...

So fastest degradation....

[willow pike]

curve optimiser doesn't change the power limit

[night girder]

Yikes. We've talked about it last week yeah.

[twin dew]

Talking about the Scalar.

[willow pike]

ye i know, just making it clear

and yeah lot of "PBO go brr" on the internet

[night girder]

You know, some people replace their CPU every generation (2-3 years maybe?) so for them. It doesn't really matter I guess.

[willow pike]

i can't replace my 5800X3D in this economy

[night girder]

In the sense; those people don't care about longtivity for their hardware. They just replace it with new and better 😄

[languid gulch]

i've tried not to, but upgrading my family's hardware as it fails has kinda ended up with me doing it almost every generation

[twin dew]

Also:

AMD employs a boot-time calibration (BTC) process to finetune the voltage offset. Essentially, during the boot process, the CPU can check the quality of the power delivery. Based on the quality, it then offsets the factory-fused VFT table. If you have a great power supply, the offset will be smaller. If you have a terrible power supply, then the offset will be greater.

[willow pike]

i didn't know that!

[night girder]

I am not judging. You do you 😄

[willow pike]

kinda nuts

[night girder]

Just saying that some people really don't care about their hardware and just throw more money at it. It's their life.

And they just want to overclock and have fun.

[languid gulch]

plus i just got handed latest gen hardware instead of waiting a full gen or 2 for prices to drop a bit

[night girder]

Others want a stable system for years to come 😄

[twin dew]

Well, basically VRM output stability, not PSU output stability.

How clean power does the CPU get.

[night girder]

I am happy with my current hardware (99% of time). Especially now with all... the stuff going on.

[twin dew]

https://skatterbencher.com/2022/09/26/raphael-overclocking-whats-new/

Lot of minutea about that turbo behavior etc.

[night girder]

Bookmarked it.

[twin dew]

One mistake in there, the IGP:s VDDCR_GFX in Zen4 and Zen5 is from VCore, not VSoc.

[willow pike]

I'm wondering how good the scheduling is gonna be on zen6, seeing a lot of rumours that the IO die is getting two small CPU cores

(not dense zen6, a different design)

[twin dew]

And is bypass type from VDDCR like CDDCR_CPU, not with regulator.

So the IGP in Zen4 and Zen5 runs at exact same voltage as CPU cores.

Which was what caused the VSOC problems.
Too large voltage difference between IGP and rest of the IOD when VCore was low and VSOC was high.

VSOC was limited and VCore doesn't idle as low anymore.

[night girder]

You know speaking of reminds me I need to check for bios update.

I know some say; if it aint broke, don't update bios.

but not updating bios can break shit too 🤣

[twin dew]

IIRC the VCore used to go down to 0.5V or so, even little under in early AGESAs, now it IIRC doesn't go under 0.7V for my CPU.
No real power usage difference when max idle, but 0.2V less voltage difference in IOD.

[twin dew]

And at least for Zen 3, AMD uses 1ms clock frequency intervals.

[night girder]

I really hope it was just reading the DRAM timing incorrectly / representing it wrong to user.

[twin dew]

Adjusting the core clocks every 1ms.

[night girder]

Any risks with big bios update jumps? 3.0.1 to 3.20 for example 😛

[twin dew]

Usually no.
Some manufacturers can have warnings that need certain midpoint versions, but that would be in the listing.

[night girder]

Theoretically, it shouldn't. But just asking to be sure.

[twin dew]

Those are usually only if settings are retained between versions.

Most consumer MBs don't even try.

[night girder]

I don't see any warnings, so good to go 👍

See, even AMD says it; if it aint broke, don't update.

Which I find very weird.

[twin dew]

Ass covering.

[night girder]

Because afaik, bios can have shit wrong damaging your MOBO overtime.

[twin dew]

As BIOS update has that low chance of failing and bricking the MB.

[night girder]

And updating the bios can prevent that too.

So it's really how you look at it no?

[night girder]

but not updating your BIOS can brick MB too.

[twin dew]

Basically "Don't blame us if the system broke or works worse after update".

[night girder]

If I don't return. RIP.

[twin dew]

More explicit version:

We don’t recommend users to update the BIOS/BMC if their system is already running normally. ASRockRack assumes no responsibility for any damages caused by improper operations of downloading or updating the BIOS/BMC.

From AsRocks enterprise side.

[night girder]

Omg…

So, Asrock bios has QR codes next to every option.

I saw a new option called “Gaming Mode” so I scan QR to learn more. Just opens the freaking manual 🤦‍♂️

[twin dew]

If you look closer, it is the same QR code everywhere in there.

Don't remember if it is explicitly labeled as manual link or not.

[night girder]

I don’t look at the QR codes that closely 😅

No its not

“To learn more” [QR]

Oh sorry I lied. It's even worse.

Found on internet:

"Get DETAILS via QR code" ...

And I can't find anything about gaming mode in manual.

[twin dew]

Because it doesn't usually get updated after launch.

So anything newer is completely missing.

[night girder]

So they add options, tell user check manual for details, and then not update manual. That's bad.

[charred relic]

Awesome is on the way

[night girder]

That's stupid. Then don't be lazy and put a QR code for "details" that links to outdated manual.

And the description of the options is pretty shit too.

So now i have to use google/duckduckgo and some AI prompts probably to figure out what it does. While it should be more simple than that.

[twin dew]

Some new AMD thing, but no details yet.

ASUS hasn’t provided details about what the “Turbo Game Mode” actually does, as no company has directly explained this feature (similar feature comign to ASRock, MSI and Gigabyte boards). However, the BIOS update is now available, so users can explore it firsthand.

[night girder]

A cumbersome process to just get to know your BIOS.

[charred relic]

I don't recall them ever being easy to deal with... at least not as far as documentation

[night girder]

But I can enable/disable the option? And AMD provides no information on wtf is does?

[charred relic]

of course pre-internet you were really extra hosed since you couldn't attempt to find information that way

[night girder]

It's like having a button in your car, but nobody (even car company) knows what happens when you press it.

[charred relic]

then again at that point they were all also basically the same anyhows

[twin dew]

Asus has released a new BIOS update for select AMD motherboards, introducing the "Turbo Game Mode" designed to optimize gaming performance on a range of Ryzen processors. This mode is aimed at users seeking the best possible experience from AMD’s high-core CPUs by adjusting core usage. Specifically, it disables one of the CPU’s two chiplets (CCD) and turns off Simultaneous Multi-Threading (SMT), optimizing single-threaded performance for games that do not benefit from high core counts.

[night girder]

Wait Baldur. That's ASUS. I have Asrock?

and it's not called Turbo Game mode.

[twin dew]

Base AMD AGESA thing being exposed.
Asus was just first to release BIOS with it.

[night girder]

It's called "gaming mode" {enable/disable}

[twin dew]

And then being branded little differently by each manufacturer.

[night girder]

This is what I expected to be in manual.

The whole thing about having manuals in pdf format hosted on a server, is so that you can update it as a company with new information.

But they (Asrock in this case) probably think; "who of our users reads the manual" 😭

[twin dew]

MSIs manuals basically just mention that UEFI exists and it can be updated.
Absolutely no documention at all about the contents.

Ah, no, I had missed that the manual had link to separate BIOS manual.
That wasn't listed in the manual listing for any board...

[night girder]

I already reading some reddit psots about the feature 🙂

Someone recommends to leave it off. Because AMD software does it when you got xbox game bar running to detect games.

[twin dew]

As it was sandwitched between other things that were skippable.

[night girder]

Bios option turns off CCD all the time. Software option toggles on/off the CCD depending on game or something.

[twin dew]

Yeah, if it does what Asus says it does, it is just easy change to other options, that gimp performance in lot of other things

And the performance uplift should be minimal in most games.

[night girder]

BIOS; CCD always off. Software; CCD not always off.

[twin dew]

Easy to check if SMT is disabled with enabled.

[night girder]

Thing is, I nuked xbox game bar I believe.

[twin dew]

That only matters for multi-CCD CPUs.

Where it toggles CPU to try to core-park frequency CPU when game is running.

[night girder]

and both BIOS and AMD software are still stock (didn't change anything underclock or overclock).

The wildest I did was change keybinds I believe and maybe some metrics 😛

Yup I know. Which applies to my CPU.

[twin dew]

What CPU?

[night girder]

7800X3D

[twin dew]

Then it doesn't apply.

That has just single CCD.

[night girder]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d/2.html

Techpowerup lying then? 😦

[twin dew]

This way AMD can make the most of its 5 nm foundry allocation with TSMC. The MCM contains a cIOD, and two 8-core CCDs in case of the Ryzen 9 7950X and 7900X; or one 8-core CCD in case of the Ryzen 7 7700X and Ryzen 5 7600X.
Also just one CCD with 7800X3D.

From just below that image.

[night girder]

Ah, then it doesn't matter indeed.

[willow pike]

zen 6 seems to up the CCD to 12 cores, so a 10800X3D (i hope they don't call it that) will be a 12 core gaming monster

[wanton orchid]

sounds like you are new to this shit

always been like that

[night girder]

Yes, I am new to using Asrock QR code within bios to check details about the features of the BIOS.

and "always been like that", QR codes are pretty new.

If the manual is paper, I understand you cannot update that with new information.

But this is just laziness/being cheap from manufacturers. Manuals are hosted on servers 🤷‍♂️

If the QR code linked to a manual that was updated with the new features and gave a better description on what those new features exactly do, I wouldn't have said anything.

[dire igloo]

QR code in BIOS is new, QR codes themselves have been around for over 30 years

But yeah, don't put a link somewhere for more info if you're not gonna keep that link up to date (or at least show a message á la "hey, you're on an old version")

So absolutely valid criticism towards ASRock there

[dire igloo]

It's the first time I've heard of QR codes in BIOS.
Also, any help or info page should either be kept up to date or give a very apparent warning that you're on an old site (if you want to keep the contents for archiving)

[night girder]

@twin dew Tried playing Warframe today. System crashed twice on boot of the game 😒

If it crashed 3rd time, I might have found a game that consistently can make my system crash 😄

thing is, I can't even get further than character creation 😒

Ok, this time I got further. Just by not going full screen. Will go full screen now and see if it crashes.

[twin dew]

AsRock is having some problem with their AM5 MBs that is killing at least 9000-series CPUs.
And possibly 7000-series too.
Possibly momentary overvoltage when VRM starts on boot.

[night girder]

But twice? 😒 And now it's "stable". Ugh. Fuck you Asrock. If you are the cause.

[twin dew]

No concrete details yet.
Just that 9000-series CPUs are dying in much higher numbers with Asrock MBs than with any other manufacturers MBs.
Even that upper BIOS changelog is about those cases and trying to fix whatever is happening.

At least some of the "dead" CPUs don't work in any other MB either afterwards.

[night girder]

Well, I got latest BIOS.

And it's still happening.

To be fair, after 2 crashes. I did do a shader cache reset in AMD software.

Not sure if that had anything to do with it. But now I can atleast play the game.

[twin dew]

Yeah, depends on WTF is going on to cause the issues, and if there is just one issue or multiple...

[night girder]

Really, I dont' understand it anymore.

I can play games 24/7 for a month or two without issues.

You boot up another game. Bam, whole system crashes a few time. And then suddenly, it's stable for a while.

I still have the feeling, that if something goes wrong, it just istantly shuts down, even in scenarios that I expect a visuel error or a crash report.

As if, it's not catching crashes and just goes straight into shut down mode.

But like you talked about before, we're in the dark.

[pure karma]

mine does that too

im almost starting to think its a windows issue

since iv nerver seen a proper crash on wndows on this system

always been straight to a unresponsive system hang blackscreen

[dire igloo]

"Hello, this is user help desk."
"Hi, yeah, I'm using a windows PC."
"Okay, so how can I help you?"
"It has several problems and shows weird behavior"
"Yes, I know, you've said that already"

[charred relic]

well of course the day I was going to dig up the old mailbox post and put the new one in... it rains

lol

I guess instead my task for today will be re-arranging screens to make room for something that's going to take up quite a bit of my desk real estate

[twin dew]

If it continues to get worse, might be worth it to contact GN if they want to buy the board and both CPUs.

They are asking for specific types of failed/failing HW:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opLtFHUYZos

[night girder]

Since I noticed it happens a few times when I boot up new games for the first time, I wonder if it has to do with caching.

I just left the game running for 2 hours while walking to dog. Come home and no crash 🤣

[charred relic]

My luck would be ran fine for 2 hours, crash 2 minutes after I touch it.

[pure karma]

yeeep same here

[charred relic]

Oh I know what I could do today instead. Go pick up a pot at the music shop and replace the scratchy volume pot on my guitar

hopefully they have one suitable, pretty sure I don't have one here although I have some logarithmic pots

[night girder]

I think it's the Nvidia gods angry at me for abandoning them.

and when I least expect it, they throw me a curveball 🤣

[charred relic]

Sometimes I'll forget I have Minecraft open and walk away and not be back for 12+ hours... that does not help the stability of java games apparently lol

"oh look i dont have to wait on this mod pack to load it's still running... aaaaaand 10 fps"

[night girder]

Also, I spend 2 hours in the menu in warframe. Which frame locks.

And the result is; AMD getting totally confused ofc.

[charred relic]

Yeah I've noticed the same thing with that "feature". It's essentually useless for me so far.

Like loading screens my FPS in something might go into the tank (I'd assume it probably does for everyone) and that gets counted and drags that average down.

In those cases it's basically just junk in junk out.

I'm used to just having to manually tweak things anyhow so whatever, not really a feature I care much about anyhow personally.

[safe trench]

i shall post this cat to start a topic i know nothing about

[fallen portal]

Hello, I have trouble with Windows XP. I get this error for some reason even though the XP's kernel is not even supposed to have that procedure. I replaced winlogon.exe and kernel32.dll from a install disk but the issue remains and I'm losing hope.

After clicking OK the same message gets thrown by lsass.exe and I also replaced that from the install disk.

And after clicking OK again there is just a blank screen

[charred relic]

Has it been on the internet...

[fallen portal]

Unfortunately yes but through a firewall of the router.

It was my main PC not that long ago so it was unavoidable

[glossy glacier]

...why are you running XP in `25 as your main machine?

[fallen portal]

I'm not using it anymore but I wanted to boot it to retrieve my old files and bam I get the error

[twin dew]

For which the computer would not have needed to be connected to network?

[fallen portal]

Currently it's not connected but it was since it WAS my main machine

[charred relic]

Could be anything but there are a lot of unpatched vectors for that OS at this point...

Has been for a long time

[twin dew]

Or might just be case of bitrot for example

Connect the drive to another machine and check that way instead of trying to boot?

[fallen portal]

It's an IDE drive.

My new pc can't connect to it

[twin dew]

And you are so late that IDE to USB adapters are pretty expensive today.
Used to be cheap.

[fallen portal]

It's partitioned so the system is on a separate partition so how much data would I lose if I did a reinstall?

[twin dew]

Nothing, if done right.
Or just boot from some Linux live CD?

[glossy glacier]

load a live linux and just cop it over the network

[fallen portal]

Might give it a try

I just really wanted to hear that windows boot sound for the last time but oh well

[glossy glacier]

get a vm then

[fallen portal]

All I'm saying is I wanted to somehow revive that PC but if it's impossible then well it's impossible

[twin dew]

You can try that reinstall, AFTER you have the data you want backed up.

[fallen portal]

Any Linux iso will work or some don't support such old PCs?

[glossy glacier]

tbf idk. try a new one and see?

[fallen portal]

Well, here goes nothing...

I did a backup of the entire C drive before

[soft bloom]

I cannot be the only ones who opens YT and gets weird recommendations of videos under 100 views about vibecoding ai and shit?
like... wtf

I don't even watch anything in that direction

[mental oriole]

yt is pretty shit nowadays

[soft bloom]

it didn't recommend me Joseph's video he posted on April Fools

[soft bloom]

well, there's video on quantum computing

and you can find many Outer Wilds walkthroughs

there's something that causes me go mad
there's JSON, it has a silly little character
° degree sign
Gedit opens it fine, online editors display copied text just fine
but I cannot read it from python as text, saying that utf-8 can't decode \xb0 byte: "invalid start byte"
if I type the thing in editor, encode in python to utf-8, I get 2 bytes: \xc2\xb0
in JSON the first is clearly lacking
but I still don't get 2 things:

1. the JSON was created by python. the only thing happening in the middle was file transfer
2. why/how I can't reproduce this with other toosl (namely Gedit)

hehe, ok.
chatgpt can be helpful
tells me this is the case in windows encodings...
sounds about right.

[mental oriole]

what would CRLF have to do with that?

[twin dew]

Nope?
But Windows by default uses UTF-16, not UTF-8.

Internally.

What format gets saved in some program depends on the settings.

Notepad in Windows 11 for example allows to save in ANSI, UTF-16 LE, UTF-16 BE, UTF-8 and UTF-8 with BOM.

But something is mucking with the file, as that 0xB0 isn't allowed first byte in any UTF-8 character.

Are you sure the source file is in UTF-8?

And that degree sign in UTF-8 is that 0xC2B0

[soft bloom]

crlf?
I explained poorly

For instance, in many single-byte encodings (like ISO-8859-1 or Windows-1252), the byte \xb0 corresponds to the degree sign
I know that it also was created on WIndows system. Either opened with editor and saved, or some magic with default encoding.
But when I read in ISO-8859-1 encoding it was fine, utf-8 wasn't.

[twin dew]

Yes?
Because those are two completely different encodings for past the 7-bit ASCII part?

And if the file is in some 8-bit legacy encoding, it won't read as UTF-8.

And you need to read it as what it is in.

You cannot read ISO-8859-1 file as UTF-8 file, if it contains anything outside 7-bit ASCII characters.

[soft bloom]

well, I am sure what character must look like 🙂
So i overrode it with utf-8 after reading as ISO-8859-1
which I know see made a bit of a mess...

[twin dew]

Yeah, need to run some actual encoding conversion on it.

And anyways, once you read and decode it, the internal python representation is python internal anyways.
You only need to encode to something once you want to save.

[soft bloom]

but that is supposed to be encoding conversion?..
aka read in one, output in another

[twin dew]

If that python internal isn't what you want to save.

[soft bloom]

well, yes. it should be stored as utf-8

[twin dew]

then you read, decode as ISO or 1252 (whichever is the actual format), then encode as utf-8.

And store

[soft bloom]

what I am sure of is that python was told to write that sign there, and something happened either during encoding or file transfer.
fix could be as easy as reading in bytes, finding this one sequence and replacing it with correct one for utf-8

[twin dew]

Python already has those .decode("format") and .encode("format") string functions?

[soft bloom]

yeah

that's exactly what I did

[twin dew]

If it errors with that, you didn't run the encode on the decoded string, but the raw string.

[soft bloom]

funny.
I was confident that's it
but then I updated view in Gedit, and saw funny characters prefixed
that's when I said it caused mess

looks like Gedit doesn't update encoding it reads in after file is opened and reloaded

[twin dew]

Gedit is not reading it as UTF-8 then.

Open screen has encoding selection in it, and there is setting to change default and/or autodetection settings.

For Gedit

[soft bloom]

ok so now I can totally read in python
but Gedit will still display funny stuff
I checked, file has the proper \xc2\xb0 byte sequence

[twin dew]

Because it is reading the file as some 8-bit format, not UTF-8.

Where then that 0xC2 will show as funny stuff.

[soft bloom]

I am convinced I saw encoding displayed in Gedit, but can't find atm

[twin dew]

Go to open the file, should be at bottom or something like that?

If I understood random websites correctly.

[soft bloom]

ok, calling Gedit from CLI with encoding specified displays it correctly. must be some Gedit's cache thing

[soft bloom]

hmmm, correct

[soft bloom]

experienced IRL "am I LLM?" moment when Gedit got replaced with getting upon typing

[ivory rampart]

Anyone got a recent W-OLED or QD-OLED?
im looking at new 1440p monitors, but cant make up my mind.
Mostly worried about text readability as the monitor wont be used for gaming only.
Maye 2/3 gaming to 3/4 gaming, with the other time doing some code writing. Worried that the text is gona look terrible.

Asus has both qd as w oled displays with similar specs, there also is an MSI qd one thats suposed to bre realy good.

[glossy glacier]

i have a, i guess last gen now, qd-oled.
it's fine

[twin dew]

Should be no actual differences in text?

[grave hazel]

a 27inch 1440p monitor will be good, though i dont know any oled monitors

[glossy glacier]

there can be because some OLED have a different subpixel layout

regular LCD subpixel layout

a possible OLED layout

apparenlty steamdeck OLED layout

[ivory rampart]

Ye the subpixel stuff is what im worried about.
Sure id mainly game, but i still want to have a decent time when doing some productivity

[glossy glacier]

so yeah, if the OS tries to "optimize" text at the subpixel level you might get some color fringing.
but at 1440p and up it should be fine

i had some cases their i noticed it but generally (99%) it's fine

[ivory rampart]

Any difference in light to dark modes?

[glossy glacier]

honestly don't know, i set up everything for dark mode xD
bright mode is just too bright in some cases

[visual tree]

I love finding ISP nightmares on reddit:

The technician deserves to get fired for this

[feral drift]

Guess you're running a Simplex fiber connection

[twin dew]

Still shouldn't be wrapped like that, or that that other fiber end is completely free.

[feral drift]

Misunderstood Wireless Connection i guess :)

Or Lifi in this case..

[jagged snow]

People botting social media and selling accounts, it's interesting

[visual tree]

@twin dew Got another nightmare for you

It's a miracle there is still signal going through even though it's weak according to OP

[mental oriole]

Ouuuuuuuch

[visual tree]

I feel like tech guy had something personal against OP because a sane person would never do something like that

Or ISP hired a complete idiot who doesn't know how fiber works

[soft bloom]

Even if this was magic string, doesn't feel like screwing it would be a good idea

[ivory rampart]

i researched some more into the Topic.
Found some people complaining about the VRR (Gsync/Freesync) having quite the anoying flicker on Oled pannels.
Did you ever notice that?

[glossy glacier]

yeah, mostly in low fps applications like a browser

you can hide it by useing dark reader to make dark mode to actual black instead of dark gray

[twin dew]

Means the monitors maker made a mistake in setting the VRR range or firmware in general.

And the image has time to noticeably dim between refreshes.

[ivory rampart]

[dark glen]

Does anyone know the run command to open a window which allows you to set the boot mode of your PC

[ivory rampart]

both ones im considering rn both got pretty bad ratings for the VRR stuff

[dark glen]

I made my PC boot in safe mode always, but can't find the article I used to open the window to do thag

[twin dew]

msconfig

[dark glen]

God I'm so dumb. Thank you very much

[dire igloo]

Look at rtings data, ignore their scores and verdicts

It's arbitrary and often nonsensical

VA monitors with smearing galore? Great for gaming!

[ivory rampart]

So am i suposed to look at it or not
Im getting mixed messages here

The flicker in both videos does look bad, but randomized frametimes are a worsr case scenario

[cursive fable]

@minor scarab If I may ask, what is the stat monitor you're using here: #screenshots message ?

[minor scarab]

its btop with the default theme

[cursive fable]

Ahh, duh. Thanks.

[jagged snow]

Look at the data, make your own conclusions

[ivory rampart]

thanks for nothing.
I have looked at the data, but as im not into monitors i cant do much with it

[safe trench]

heres some more things you can thank another person for nothing

[ivory rampart]

great

[pure karma]

https://tenor.com/view/good-luck-three-finger-salute-katniss-everdeen-the-hunger-games-hunger-games-gif-4720290277649947168

make that 3

[ivory rampart]

"read the wiki"

if i had know what i was doing, i would not have asked

[glossy glacier]

i like my monitor, so i'd say take the plunge

[safe trench]

https://tenor.com/view/arting-siamese-cat-gigachad-ambatukam-ambasing-gif-26293326

4

[ivory rampart]

ill try to get a look at a similar or the exact one im intested in at a store. Maybe they can demo it for me

wont be able to test all, but if its bad i could return it

also found a video of some guy that did a review of it in a similar situation.
Software dev and gamer, so good mix of use cases.
Said it was just fine to work on

[dire igloo]

Look at the data. The actual measurements. The graph with jiggly lines.
Don't look at their score. The number in the red box.
Don't look at whatever else they derive from those scores, like their verdicts on how they like the monitor and what they're good for

[dire igloo]

Then you shouldn't be looking at rtings reviews.
While their data is great, their scoring isn't

And if you can't draw your own conclusions from data, you're at the mercy of the reviewer
While there are many other good reviewers (techless, tftcentral, monitors unboxed, pcmonitors.info, etc), rtings is only ever feasible for their data

Maybe this review helps you a bit more than the rtings one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OD1Gml24gI

Or the simple way out: you just watch the video that rtings attached to their measurements.
The flicker is quite apparent - question for you then becomes if you'll end up in a situation that causes this flickering

Turns out, XG27AQDMG has an anti-flicker setting which reduces flickering noticeably

[wanton orchid]

how cheap is their implementation : yes

why would they fucking shut down the panel on wait for data ?

seems like they are all using the same dirt chip

[thin trout]

It happens when there is frametime variation, which is unavoidable in most games and VRR use cases.

It's not a tuning problem, it's awful on every OLED and VA panel without exception.

Fast IPS does good VRR.

IIRC TN works fine for VRR too, but TN has massive problems with viewing angles, brightness variation etc so its high end showings aren't very good. I tried the 540hz e-TN panel and found it unusable, checking after the fact i noticed that RTINGS measured the brightness at the top of the screen to be only ~65% of the brightness at the bottom with a normal viewing angle which is what really killed it for me - even with perfect ergonomics it was awful.

380hz IPS with VRR has similar or even slightly better smoothness to 480hz OLED without it for scenarios where you cannot sustain >>480fps easily. If you have 350fps on both, the IPS with VRR is quite a lot smoother than the OLED without it. You can VRR OLED too but then it's a strobe dance party, so i found that less enjoyable than just leaving VRR off.

If you're doing something with 3000fps like osu then ofc just turn VRR off and run max refresh rate

[ivory rampart]

I wouldbt realy mind just leaving vrr off, my current display has gsync and im on an amd gpu for 2 years. Been fine.

[thin trout]

Proper VRR is a pretty large improvement

most VRR monitors are really bad at VRR though 😛

I'm on an XG259QNS right now, it's 380hz fast IPS with VRR that has per-frame adaptive overdrive. Almost nothing has that feature without a gsync module, but it does for gsync and freesync. Insane value given that it nothing even competes unless it's 3x the price.

I got it @ £300, and i'd take it over the £900-1000 eTN and OLEDs after using those too.

[wanton orchid]

all I'm saying is technologically oled does not have to do this
it's control which fucks up
by shutting down leds ahead of having the fucking data

[ivory rampart]

Just to be clear, im not playing any competetive shooters.
Id take a 144hz oled aswell, but all the high end ones have 240 minimum

[thin trout]

if you value color and contrast over performance, than yeah OLED and even VA is better. Just don't expect them to VRR

[ivory rampart]

Kind of a shame, i thought the oled tech was better at this point

[twin dew]

It is kind of tuning problem.
To get high refresh rate without problems you need for the picture to change fast, which with OLEDs means the picture decays fast.
Which would mean that for low FPS/refresh rate, the picture would need to be refreshed even without changes.
So either the display would need to internally refresh the picture between actual frames sent by computer.
Or the minimum refresh rate in the VRR range supported would need to be high, higher than 60Hz, so the GPU driver would send those extra refreshes with same picture.

With VRR on, with 480Hz max VRR rate, things would work fine with 192Hz minimum rate, for 192-480Hz VRR range (might work even with higher minimum, but IIRC maximum being 2.5+x minimum optimal).
But that would SUCK for static, non VRR usage.
So for static refresh rate, same would need to be implemented in the firmware of the monitor instead.

All(?) other LCD techs the panel keeps displaying the same image until next one is sent IIRC.

But IIRC with OLED, there is that natural decay in brightness.

[languid gulch]

ok got a dumb question

if a cpu/gpu degrades a bit over time just from regular use (like years) & isn't a 13th/14th gen intel, is it better to OC it early on, or wait a few years

[twin dew]

Normal "tuning" is for CPU manufacturers to try to make all the produced CPUs work for 10 years or more at stock settings, before that natural degradation makes those stock settings not work anymore in some of the CPUs.

[twin dew]

But basically just makes the OC ceiling lower and lower as time goes by.

OC by undervolting actually extends the time, but need to keep reducing the undervolt over time.

[languid gulch]

so OCing it later on won't give you as good of a result as doing it asap?

[twin dew]

And if you OC to max now, you need to reduce the OC to keep the CPU stable as time goes by.

[languid gulch]

i suppose it'd largely depend on silicon quality after that

[twin dew]

To same level as the stable OC in future would have been at that time, or less if the OC caused the CPU to degrade faster.

[languid gulch]

parallel to that

is it better to run things as tight as possible with regards to timings/latency, or keep them looser to avoid degradation

[twin dew]

That doesn't really affect things much.
Little from there being more state-changes in same time, but that is pretty minor difference.

Going to higher voltages is major change, doing more at same voltage is very minor change.

[languid gulch]

didn't know if it was like a roadway, if metaphorical grooves would appear 🤣

if really sticking to one voltage tightly would cause degradation at that voltage over time, vs letting it be a bit looser

[wanton orchid]

degradation comes from voltage, voltage swings (very low level, managed if good design, not managed if Intel 14th gen), and temperature combo

[twin dew]

Higher voltage, higher currents, higher temperature, all accelerate the degradation.
But there are complex interactions between those and the rates aren't linear.
And the exact details are process and even design specific.

Intel messed up in multiple ways.
Very high currents, and MB manufacturers were disabling current limiters, causing them to go even higher.
High voltages, and the CPUs were asking for very high voltages in specific situations when the CPU was idle, but thought the system would just in moment slam on max all-core load.
Where that all-core load would have much lower voltages from the power limiting etc. but in that "I need more voltage to stay stable when the load spike hits" caused 1.6+V requests.
And protections for high temperatures to derate weren't working like that TVB not being limited to 70C or lower like designed etc.

So TVB etc. were fixed.
MB makers aren't allowed to disable current limiters etc. by default anymore.
And VCore VID requests were capped at 1.55V.

And with Asus or Gigabyte MB, you can set that VID request cap yourself.
Asrock and MSI don't expose it and have stated they have no plans to expose it.

Expose as in just provide UI to functionality that Intel provides already in the UEFI & microcode.

And stupid thing is that that functionality has been there for years, as Asus and Gigabyte have exposed the setting for years.
It just wasn't being used by default.

And that voltage behavior is again another thing that was because of how Intel has been just stacking boost techs on top of each other, never actually integrating them together properly.

Why the CPU asks for high voltages when almost idle on all cores, but the cores aren't allowed to sleep because of something, just in case the CPU needs to boost to max frequency soon.

AMD CPUs ask for voltages they need right now, and if transition to higher frequency comes where the currently delivered voltage isn't enough, they delay and/or clock stretch (stop processing until voltage is high enough) to keep stable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiekGcwaIho

So Nvidia is still the same, but that isn't new.

So very likely that GN now ends up on Nvidias blacklist of reviewers who will not get review samples anymore.

[languid gulch]

i feel like everyone should treat nvidia as a hostile monopoly

[ivory rampart]

im even more torn on the selection now
but thanks@thin trout for explaining it

[twin dew]

Ah, GN already didn't get 5060 review sample

Even when many others did, just without drivers.

[languid gulch]

they didn't bend the knee

[twin dew]

And Nvidia also knew that GN could have review up about 24h after getting the drivers.
With testing by the people not at Computex, and then Steve recording the speak parts in hotel room.

Where the whole thing was designed to delay the reviews to 1-2 weeks after launch.

[dire igloo]

Naming OLED and VA on equal footing is kinda disingenuous.
VA sucks even harder than OLED for motion and is only feasible for SDR contrast on a low budget.

OLED gives you both good HDR and good motion.
IPS gives better motion with worse HDR, Mini LED has better HDR but worse motion.

[thin trout]

I don't consider them on equal footing at all, VA is the worse and cheaper option for color & contrast

if that's not clear, it is now^ 😄

[languid gulch]

i appreciate that all the non-shill reviewers have all collectively just did a "don't wanna let us see it beforehand? fine, our official review is don't buy it under any circumstances"

[dire igloo]

OLED tech is great fwiw, just has some issues still.
If you're not using VRR, no point in worrying about VRR flicker (that's what I meant when asking you if you'll end up in a situation that causes flickering)

[thin trout]

Just not everyone wants to use £900 monitors, especially stuff like the Asus OLEDs which bricked itself on day 12 of my using it (got stuck in pixel clean and just died lol)

[thin trout]

That is my policy. No review = 0/10 trash product

honest people want reviews.

[languid gulch]

also i appreciate the "reviewers" who decided to bend the knee. now we know who they are and where their loyalties lie

[dire igloo]

I assumed as such, the wording was just a bit wonky hence my correcting comment

[ivory rampart]

idk, i have not been using VRR since my moinitor only has Gsync.
never had any tearing since i dont realy get more fps than my monitor can display.

So im fine if i just dont use it? cant say i missed it in the last 2 years

[thin trout]

Gsync is a form of VRR

[ivory rampart]

i know

but i have not been using it since i switched to AMD

[dire igloo]

Didn't they drive the early gen OLED panels at a higher voltage than the competition?
I remember smth with their 27GS95 smth competitor, higher peak brightness but lower lifespan

[thin trout]

Btw, tearing is not caused by framerate lower or higher than the monitor refresh rate - it's entirely due to the synchronisation. If you don't have vsync or VRR on, you always have tearing reducing percieved image quality and motion quality (most severely with a framerate between 50% and 100% of the monitor's refresh rate)

[thin trout]

I'm not sure, but the one that died in 12 days was a third gen WOLED. The newest still currently out.

[ivory rampart]

i just turn on Vsync...

[dire igloo]

Gsync as in gsync module or gsync as in gsync compatible?
Cuz the latter should support freesync too

[ivory rampart]

uh i dont actually know

[thin trout]

That's fine, but vsync causes highly problematic stuttering and/or latency (the lower the refresh rate, the worse both are). VRR solves the issue without those

[dire igloo]

And introduces flicker on OLED

[ivory rampart]

i never noticed any stutter or performance degradation using vsync.
and im usualy very easy to tick off with stutter

[thin trout]

You can see render latency ingame with tools from both nvidia and AMD now. It doesn't count monitor latency, but it's most of what you need to know

[dire igloo]

Most noticeable vsync downside is usually latency, but since you're not a comp gamer, you're less sensitive to it

[twin dew]

Mainly the problem is, that if the FPS you could get without VSYNC isn't same or higher as the refresh, all the time, then you get problems.

[ivory rampart]

i mean i do play league of legends at a high level, but thats not framerate senetive :kek

[thin trout]

Yeah best case scenario performance is consistently above, and you're "only" getting a consistent~ +2 frames of latency

rather than latency being higher, spiking up and down, and the stutters that come when you don't always have a frame ready on each refresh start timing

[ivory rampart]

ah right, i mostly max out around 100 to 120 fps anyway, and turn on vsync on top of that

[twin dew]

As with 60Hz rate, with VSync on, you get 60Hz, 30Hz, 20Hz, 15Hz etc.
Must be integer divider from the refresh rate.
So if the FPS is NEAR 60Hz, you then end up bouncing between 60 and 30 FPS.

[twin dew]

+2?
Most triple-buffering has unfortunately been gone for long time already.

[thin trout]

Regular vsync is usually +2 frame latency, don't know why but it is

[ivory rampart]

+2 frames around 100 fps is only around 15ms, its not that bad

[thin trout]

my end to end latency on comp games is around 7ms

on cyberpunk with path tracing it's 30

[ivory rampart]

or 2 whole seconds for the path tracing to fully clear out

nice tech nvidia

[thin trout]

accumulation is annoying ye 😛 but a lot less so with RR

[ivory rampart]

that part makes pathtracing look worse than traditional rendering

[thin trout]

You can see some of the vsync delay here. 144hz, yet the added delay from double buffered vsync is +14ms when frametime is 6.94ms

IDK why but it's been 2 frames in pretty much every test i've seen w.r.t. latency

[twin dew]

Ah, yeah, anyone who was able to publish "5060 preview" needed to bend the knee it seems.
Just watching the der8auer video.

[ivory rampart]

im so mad at nvidia

i was going to buy a 5080, but they released such a stinker of a generation
just no can do

[languid gulch]

i'm not mad at them, they're doing exactly what a company is supposed to be: as greedy as possible to make the most money. i'm mad at the people making the decisions to not restrain that

[twin dew]

No VSYNC on results in there?
Or you count those GSYNC results as that?

[thin trout]

they should have just been broken up like 8 years ago

[thin trout]

In that data, gsync on with excess FPS functions the same as vsync on

That is not true in most games anymore because of nvidia reflex essentially capping performance below full buffers for you, but it was back then

i was originally gonna post vsync on data but cant find the post 😄 that one is from a similar time, and e.g. battle(non)sense videos agree.

[ivory rampart]

no, i dont consider this to be "what they are suposed to do"
they dont have to actively make shit products

[languid gulch]

i think linus got it at least partially correct: spin off the gaming GPU into its own separate company

[dire igloo]

idk how you got that number, when I'm looking at 100fps, 2 frames come out to be 20ms
And with 60fps, you get 33ms from 2 frames delay

[ivory rampart]

i eyeballed it.
thats why i said around. 15 is somewhat near 20

[dire igloo]

It's off by 25%

[ivory rampart]

is this realy worth arguing over?

[twin dew]

IIRC that is Windows display stack thing where game can request specific number of frames to be buffered.
Between 0 and 5, with that 2 being very common to be asked.
At some point Nvidia drivers IIRC allowed you to override the value.

Now that I thought about it for a moment.

[ivory rampart]

would you say IPS pannels these days have better color than 5 years ago?

[thin trout]

Yeah i am not sure, pretty sure that this was the case even with that setting though

Nowadays we just use Reflex and VRR so people don't bother to test that stuff as much

[thin trout]

substantially yeah, but they are no OLEDs.

that £300 one that i said is better in every way than £750 ips from 5 years ago

[twin dew]

Color is about backlight.
IPS problem has always been contrast, not color.

(expect for OLED)

[ivory rampart]

i have a 700$ ips from 7 years ago.
maybe i dont need oled, and just a new IPS is fine

[ivory rampart]

ah sure

[twin dew]

So IPS is usually around 1:1000 contrast.
VA is mostly around 1:3000 today.
OLED is infinite contrast, as the black is actually fully black.

[thin trout]

It's probably not that huge an upgrade, aside from response times (less smearing, and capable of high framerate and VRR)

[twin dew]

some 1:5000 VA now IIRC?

[ivory rampart]

would be a lot cheaper though. the oleds i was looking at are around the 700$ range.
Similar IPS seems to be around 350$

and should still be a nice upgrade

[twin dew]

But basically the expensive color grading etc. displays have traditionally have been IPS.
Just with very expensive backlights and internal calibration support etc.

Now you also have IPS panels where there is actually two IPS panels, one on top of other, to get better contrast.

IPS problem is that that minimum light transmission through is large.
VA problem is that exiting low light transmission area (dark pixel) is slow, leading to that smearing.
OLED problems are from the finite life of the pixels and their uneven wear over time.

TN just sucks.

[ivory rampart]

tn is cheap, so it has its place.
my first monitor was TN

[twin dew]

Yeah, but point was that only technical good side TN had was fast transitions (higher max refresh rate in same generation).
And it sucks for anything else.

Not counting price, just the base tech.

Horrible driving accuracy (leading to bad color accuracy), horrible viewing angles, bad contrast etc.

[ivory rampart]

not sure if id even recomend TN to someone on a tight budged.
Very useable IPS panels are not that expensive anymore

[twin dew]

Yeah, TN is not worth it in any price range anymore.
You can get usable IPS or VA at the lowest price brackets today.

Not with as high max refresh rate, but 144Hz already is plenty.

You don't need 240Hz TN instead.

[ivory rampart]

im suprised that something like this is below 500 these days.
5 years ago it didnt even exist, and 3 years ago it would have been 1k

[wanton orchid]

panel tech standardizing, and production scaling

[twin dew]

Which is coming a problem that there is only one producer of specific tech.
And when they stop producing then that tech is gone.
Becoming problem when LG is/was the only producer of fast IPS panels, and they are switching over to OLED.
So there is danger that IPS is going to die in the market soon.

[ivory rampart]

surely the demand for ips is high enout for them to keep makingit

[twin dew]

For lower refresh rate professional panels, yes.
High FPS gaming panels with current models, not sure.
Continuing to develop newer high-FPS IPS panels, in real danger.

Because all the new monitors in that gaming space from LG have been OLED in last year at least.

And new IPS gaming panels that were supposed to be coming haven't materialized.

Based on statements in 2023 on what was supposed to be coming.

This was already from that end of 2023:

IPS Black is a big part of that focus, and it seems this technology is for now still reserved for professional use, with no high refresh rate options currently being developed. That’s a shame, as we know a lot of people are interested in that possibility in the future.

Where that LG IPS Black is that two IPS layers on top of each other for 1:2000 contrast ratio I mentioned.

[ivory rampart]

sham,e

[twin dew]

And even the non-IPS Black new gaming IPS panels don't seem to have materialized to market.

[ivory rampart]

the perfect monitor just doesnt exist

[twin dew]

No, but everyone just doing OLED is just bad.
Because while OLED is nice for the contrast ratio, it in turn has severe downsides.
And not allowing consumer to select between OLED and IPS is just bad.

But HDR hype is driving the exec level decisions.

[twin dew]

And this was wrong, seems IPS Black is new material with opposite voltage behavior where it is transmissive without voltage and nontransmissive with voltage.
But is slower to change than the current traditional IPS material.

[ivory rampart]

yeah, was under the impression that Oled was better than it realy is.
the VRR issue isnt mentioned too much with most popular sources

mostly the oled displays just get glazed to no end

[twin dew]

And even that "no burn in" is mostly just that the monitors track each pixels usage over time and compensate, but the max brightness keeps decreasing where they drive the degraded pixels more, and lower the non-degraded pixels max to be same as the degraded pixels max.

And that compensation isn't perfect, as the degradation is somewhat random and non-uniform.

[ivory rampart]

the asus Oleds have anti flicker modes, but those only work at very high refresh rates.
like 180+ for it to work properly.

[twin dew]

So OLEDs are the hype hotness, but in reality they are only really better for HDR content home theater viewing, over the more traditional techs.
With significant tradeoffs.

HDR gaming is very small niche compared to even that.

[ivory rampart]

does HDR even work properly?
i remember seing a lot of complaints about windows just not doing it well

[twin dew]

That is the point.
In games with actual HDR support, it works.
In Windows in general, no.
In games without explicit HDR support, no.

But the benefits even in those games with explicit HDR support are pretty minor in most cases.
Because they have been developed for SDR first, with HDR as afterthought.

[ivory rampart]

oh and Oled has lower SDR brightness

like 200 something nits, vs 300 to 450 on IPS

[twin dew]

Not natively.
Firmware thing.

[ivory rampart]

i dont think id be able to notice, i have my current IPS on 30% brightness

[twin dew]

But usually the monitors should be around 80-120 nits brightness in SDR anyways.

Depending on room lighting intensity.

[ivory rampart]

im a basement dweller

[twin dew]

100 nits is the spec in HDR spec.

That 0-100 nits is the SDR range, and then HDR goes to brighter over that, and should only be used for highlights, not constant.

That most of the screen should stay inside that SDR range all the time, with just very bright stuff in parts of the frame going over that.

And with most OLED monitors, the max HDR brightness is also in a way lie.
They only support that for small percentage of screen at a time, not always even 10% coverage.
And full-screen max brightness is often 1/3rd or so of the marketing max.

5060 Previews:

Via HUBs video.

[ivory rampart]

Man

This never had to happen.

[dire igloo]

I've seen 4k 144hz mini LED IPS drop below $600 on the regular, also absolutely crazy

btw, u in Germany?

[twin dew]

Where that mini-LED refers to the backlight system.
Grid of mini-LEDs that can be individually controller for local dimming.

[dire igloo]

Yup, hence the extra mention of IPS

INNOCN 27M2V and 32M2V btw

[twin dew]

That was for general people here.
Most aren't aware of that level of stuff.

[dire igloo]

Most mini LED monitors use VA

[dire igloo]

Yeah, I've had my fair share of people like that

[twin dew]

And monitor/TV marketing intentionally misleads with those.

[ivory rampart]

Y

[dire igloo]

y as in yes or y as in why

[ivory rampart]

Yes

[twin dew]

That HUBs piece, including how Nvidia had tried to buy them, and then ended up blacklisting them for a time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtFDz-BQLew

[thin trout]

240-280hz fast IPS is very cheap (starting ~£130) and 380hz £300

[twin dew]

I wasn't up to date then.

But last time I was monitor shopping, 24" 144Hz IPS/VA was around 100-120e here Finland.
With 240Hz TN at same price range.

And nothing cheaper at all.

With 27" being about 20e more.

[thin trout]

Yeah it has gotten to the point where i don't really recommend for anyone to get anything worse than a 240hz fast IPS any more

you can save some money but it's huge value for the extra

[dire igloo]

HP 27QS my beloved (not sure if fast IPS tho, BOE panel not LG)

The QHD 165Hz IPS market being well stocked below 200€ is an awesome sight.
There's no need for 240hz if you're not a comp gamer and from what I've seen, the 27" QHD market is seeing more improvement nowadays than the 24" FHD sector

[ivory rampart]

Aren finlands tech prices a bit higher than more central eu?

[twin dew]

Yes.

[ivory rampart]

Got a friebd over there that keeps malding over it

[twin dew]

Part is higher VAT.
Part is extra logistics costs to get the stuff to the country, or moved inside the country.
Part is small population, so small market.

[tribal kraken]

I've been looking at Samsung S90D oled TV as monitor, maybe 55" size

1099€ currently, those are with 144Hz panel

My current monitor, HP 65" Omen Emperium (VA panel) has these horizontal lines. No idea where they came from but they have stayed same for a long time. Can't see them while playing but flat one color they are visible.

Been using it 5 years now

[ivory rampart]

Mine has a very noticeable brightness gradient from bottom right to top left

Ips

As well as a bright spot, looks like i punched it there, but i cant recall ever doing that

[languid gulch]

i love it when armoury crate updates & now it refuses to recognize my ram rgb

i don't even care about messing around with the lighting, except to turn it off

[ivory rampart]

I dont like armor, crate

[languid gulch]

kinda stuck with it

unless there's an open source RGB software

[ivory rampart]

Its so bad, but once its installed, its like a root kit and impossible to remove.
Only way to not have it is to click no after setting up a fresh windows install

Its so awfull, i hate it so much

Doubt ill get a new asus mainboard on thext platform upgrade.
Prices have exploded so much.
Good ROG mobo is almost 400e these days.
My top of the line ROG am4 mobo was not even half that.

[languid gulch]

oh i never would have bought this for myself 🤣

[ivory rampart]

I think msi makes some decent boards these days.

[languid gulch]

mobos, but i suspect they still do cheap shit with gpus

[ivory rampart]

They do?
I only knew about gigabyte gettingin some hot water

[languid gulch]

msi loves to cheap out on VRMs and cooling

[ivory rampart]

Ouch

What can you even buy these days.
Msi cheaps out
Gigabyte cheaps out
Asus overcharges

My 6950xt is from xtx, not exaclty a high quality build.
1 year in the middle fan was making an anoying noise.
Had to lubricate the fan bearings by myself to fix it

[dire igloo]

OpenRGB

Also SignalRGB, but that's closed source

ROG Armoury and Armoury Crate are the worst malwares I've ever willingly installed

[dire igloo]

ASRock my beloved

Gigabyte and MSI are solid, their supposedly midrange stuff is closer to the low end and their highend stuff is somewhat highend

Just depends on pricing and availability really

NZXT is covered up ASRock with cutdown BIOS at a high price

Biostar idk about

[dire igloo]

Their low-end range is ewaste btw

[ivory rampart]

I had some unpleasont experiences with an ashrock board. But it was 10 years ago on a very low end model.
So i should probably out them back on the menu

[dire igloo]

Yeah, ASRock's low end, especially from a decade ago, can be hit or miss.
Even today you sometimes get B650M-HDV, other times you get B660M-HDV

[twin dew]

Which uses very old open source kernel driver that was discontinued and is giant security hole, as it allows any user mode program full HW and RAM access.

And is finally being banned.

About that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_O5JtBqODA

[dire igloo]

Holy shit

[twin dew]

Basically giant swatches of stuff depending on hobby project kernel driver to expose everything that can be exposed, for personal tweaking.
And discontinued in 2011(?), and still being used today by various software without any warning to the users installing.

[twin dew]

ZenTimings uses similar driver that gets installed first time it is run, and never removed.
Found out when my antivirus warned about it and I did some digging what was going on.
Then manually removed it via Device Manager.

[pure karma]

my beloved

[drowsy coral]

Got windows installed and working on my PC (first time building)

3060ti and 7800x3d runs Satisfactory on 4K 240FPS maxed out settings

DLSS is insane

[pure karma]

cap

a 3060ti aint even getting 60fps with lumen on

[drowsy coral]

I was super surprised, but it actually worked

No lumen tho

Just normal full Ultra (and the ones that go to cinematic) plus quality mode on DLSS anti aliasing

Everything is as high as possible

[pure karma]

its not max if you dont have lumen cranked with native resolution with everythign else maxed including fov for max rendered in objects

[drowsy coral]

Well I dont want max FOV because I like to play the game lol

I'll try lumen though

[pure karma]

max fov is better than regualr in this game honestly

[drowsy coral]

I've played almost 72 hrs on my Mac using a ported game which barely uses the hardware, so I was running below 60fps on Low mode so this is a huge upgrade

[pure karma]

i was at -1 fps for the past 500

[drowsy coral]

what spec

[pure karma]

13620H and 4050

my laptop hates my save

my pc dosent care

[drowsy coral]

4050 exists??

I thought it was only 4060 and above

[pure karma]

yes?

same for the 3050

[drowsy coral]

I knew about 3050 but i've never seen a 4050 mentioned or on any websites while doing research for what parts to get

[pure karma]

cause the 50 class sucks

[drowsy coral]

Techpowerup says it was never released

[pure karma]

as showcased by your truly here → #off-topic-tech message

[drowsy coral]

oh damn

That's worse than a ported game on a Mac which doesn't even use the GPU 😭

[pure karma]

[twin dew]

If he just removed useless 1000+ carriage train from the save, it would instantly get much better.

[pure karma]

3104*

[drowsy coral]

you have a train with 3104 cars?

[pure karma]

yes

[drowsy coral]

BRU

then obviously it won't run fast

😭