off-topic-tech

[night girder]

I wasn't even running any games.

[twin dew]

But basically for that channels creator, it seems he got hold of someone elses test execution script, and bunch of malware, and has no idea about anything after that.

[night girder]

Oh wait!

The computer has rebooted from a bugcheck. The bugcheck was: 0x00000050 (0xffff99a7e7a7af00, 0x0000000000000002, 0xfffff805acedb1db, 0x0000000000000002). A dump was saved in: C:\Windows\Minidump\050725-7375-01.dmp. Report Id: a54ce853-2c8e-444f-b4d5-0d1de41525da.

First time I got this error.

See that my PC is shit at capturing bugs? It just shutdown.

[twin dew]

So memory content corruption from CPU, RAM or like.

[night girder]

We already replaced CPU.

[twin dew]

PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA
0xffff99a7e7a7af00: Memory address being accessed.
0x0000000000000002: Write operation.
0xfffff805acedb1db: Address where the command to write was stored.
0x0000000000000002: NONPAGED_BUGCHECK_NOT_PRESENT_PAGE_TABLE The address referenced does not have a valid active page table entry.

memory dump would reveal what DLL or like was being executed etc.

When analyzed.

The PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA bug check has a value of 0x00000050. This indicates that invalid system memory has been referenced. Typically the memory address is wrong or the memory address is pointing at freed memory.

[night girder]

Yeah I googled.

[twin dew]

Bug check 0x50 can be caused by the installation of a faulty system service or faulty driver code. Antivirus software can also trigger this error, as can a corrupted NTFS volume.

It could also occur after the installation of faulty hardware or in the event of failure of installed hardware (usually related to defective RAM, be it main memory, L2 RAM cache, or video RAM).

[night girder]

ugh windows, I hate you so much.

umpchk is part of the Windows Debugging Tools. There are two versions of the Windows Debugger. To use Dumpchk, you must install the version of the Windows Debugging Tools included in the Windows SDK:

This seems to be the culprit.

[twin dew]

So just in the main kernel, so no help.

But makes it very likely to be HW and not code bug doing use after free.

[night girder]

🤷‍♂️

I don't shit money to just keep replacing hardware until problem goes away.

[twin dew]

Is XMP/EXPO on?
Or RAM on auto?

[night girder]

I just blame it on AMD being a bit wonky 😛

[night girder]

Everything is like we left it last, it's on the settings you told me it had to be on 🤣

So I assume auto.

Just checked; everything is on auto.

Except a few voltage settings that can't be turned to auto.

[twin dew]

Which would make me at this time suspect minor ESD damage to MB or RAM.
Try with just one stick of RAM for a time?
Or was that already done before?

Or did you use strap?

[night girder]

Ok, so let me refresh the whole story.

The initial issue was mainly during gaming, it could crash multiple times a day. After trouble shooting with you, I decided to replace the 7600X with 7800X3D. We also fidled with that Infinity Fabric.
Now the system is way more stable, but I do get a crash every x months.

So, average a crash a month or less.

I did deleted all the old crashes, because I wanted to keep track of new ones.

[twin dew]

Which can be from less on-the-edge memory controller with the other stuff.
But basically impossible to check for with that interval.

[night girder]

Yeah, that's why I give up.

If the system stays like this for a few years, I can live with it.

If it starts to crash more often, well, we will see when we cross that bridge.

[twin dew]

Would need to know if those RAM related terminations are on the MB, or MB firmware is just configuring stuff in the IMC and RAM, to say if MB might be the faulty part.

Never bothered to find out.

[night girder]

If I remember correctly, you always said it's unlikely that it's motherboard. Because that was my initial hunch.

[twin dew]

Because if the RAM traces are just straight without any components on the MB.

Then MB shouldn't be able to be the problem.

[night girder]

Also, this is first time I get RAM error.

Mostly I only get the kernel error without any other useful errors or information.

[twin dew]

If those terminations are on MB, that means active circuitry on MB related to the RAM traces, which then can make MB ESD damage a cause.

[night girder]

I also eneabled WHEA because you recommended that.

But so far it's empty.

[twin dew]

Yeah, because that monitors the CPU caches etc. only in this case.

But not the core itself below caches and registers, or RAM bus and RAM.

But checked, its on-die terminations.

[night girder]

I also noticed I didn't turn this on, I think it's new feature;

[twin dew]

So MB is just dumb pipe for the memory traces.

[night girder]

So ... not MB esd damage?

[twin dew]

Yeah, shouldn't be able to cause that error AFAIK.

[night girder]

and I don't know how it got ESD damage 😛

I am careful with it.

[twin dew]

Just possibility.

But point is, you only need about 100V strike in some cases to cause MOSFET to fail completely.
And minimum you can notice is 4000V.

Which is the point why straps etc. are so important.
As just having non-natural fiber clothes can easily generate that damaging amount of voltage in you when you just shift around.

[night girder]

Well, we can't know for sure.

[twin dew]

Yup.

[night girder]

It's just guessing in the dark.

Can be something totally different then ESD.

[twin dew]

Yup.

[night girder]

I do think, that when we were tracking down the CPU issues. That these issues might also have been there already, if that makes sense.

That we weren't tracking down one cause for the crashes, but actually 2. Or maybe even more.

So replacing the CPU has 100% helped in my case. Because now I can stable game.

[twin dew]

Even that might in theory been from the current issue cause.
Just that the new CPU has more margin in something that is affected by the actual issue.

[wanton orchid]

sounds like psu unstable ?

usually if it is very random crash out of nowhere, it's either psu or ram, and ultimately motherboard (which manage and wire both of these)

[tribal kraken]

or Intel CPU 😄

Set of new plastic quick couplers (CPC NS6) arrived. They feel nice and for sure flow more than the 1/4" threaded Bykski ones I have

[twin dew]

But at this point in my head the most likely cause is tiny issue with one of the RAM sticks.
But trying to pinpoint it probably isn't worth the time.
Raising frequency might help getting the crashes to be more common, but issue might then get to just be unstable RAM, and not failty RAM.

Because that would in part explain from one issue why replacing CPU helped, as the new CPU might have better IMC, tolerating the tiny bit misbehaving RAM stick better.

Which was the point in that "try with one RAM stick", but running on one stick for months on end isn't worth it.

[night girder]

Man, if it isn't the CPU that sucks.

I am happy with this CPU, but I spend in total 500 euro's on two CPU's.

And if it's a stick of RAM, that would be cheaper to fix.

[twin dew]

Stuff like this sucks.
Which is why I talk about ESD safety so much.
If the thing dies from that, it is simple.
But if you get just tiny bit of damage, you can get stuff like this where without complete swap-testing, it is impossible to know WTF is going on.

When you just get single flaky MOSFET or like from the tiny discharge, in just the wrong place.

[night girder]

Yeah, it is what it is. This might sound weird, but I hope for two things.

1. That it's a RAM stick.
2. That it doesn't fuck the rest of the system.

If the problem keeps isolated to a RAM stick, I am so lucky. Since that's cheaper to replace than motherboard or other components. Should it get worse.

[twin dew]

Shouldn't be able to spread.
Worst that can happen is for the stick to go permanent dead, and that will then be trivial to diagnose.

And in between it can start causing the issue more often, which again makes it easier to diagnose.

[wanton orchid]

I'm really thinking about open a pc repair shop where I live because of this
the main way to troubleshoot stuff efficiently is having known good hardware replacement
having that shared is much more efficient than having to be a long time tech hoarder every time

put good ram stick in there and there you go
rented for a month

then you'll see

it's hell to have to buy it whole every time for it not to be the culprit

spare ram, spare psu, spare cpu cooler, spare cpu, spare motherboard (in that order usually)

Ram easy and safe to swap
psu not so costly, reliable
cpu cooler easier and less flaky
cpu expensive and more heavy
motherboard very heavy and expensive replacement

[twin dew]

Fortunately I have always had what is needed either in my own ownership, or have been able to go to some friend and test with swapping parts with their system.

For very long time.

[drowsy coral]

Found this really cool site that has accurate FPS data for a bunch of GPUs and CPUs for satisfactory performance!
https://pc-builds.com/games/aE/satisfactory

RAM as well

[twin dew]

Which almost certainly isn't accurate at all.

Yeah, checked 5600X vs 5800X3D with RTX 5080 at Full-HD, complete crap.

Another site that tries to extrapolate to all games and all HW based on very actual sample amounts and then theoretical performance of the other parts.

Ultra: Max FPS: 80.8 FPS for 5600X and 87.1 FPS fpr 5800X3D XD with that 5080 XD

Where when GPU limited, that GPU could do way north of 200 FPS on Ultra full-HD.
And when CPU limited, that 5800X3D can do about twice the FPS 5600X can.

[twin dew]

Basically that site is completely useless for anything that isn't generic FPS.

And even then just bad approximation.

They show numbers, but those aren't actually based on any data.

[drowsy coral]

ok

seems like you're very smart lol idk what to say

[willow pike]

he is very smart

there's no substitute for getting actual data

that site makes a lot of guesses

[twin dew]

And the base thing I checked if their guesses match with Satisfactory in any way, and they don't.

So it can work on some games, to some extent, but their assumptions for Satisfactory are completely wrong, so the numbers are completely wrong, and not just "+-20%" type thing.

[willow pike]

we know that satisfactory loves X3D chips, that site doesn't reflect that

[twin dew]

Yeah, but they probably haven't even tested Satisfactory on more than one config, if even that.

Interpolating between games doesn't really work.
Interpolating between generations and manufacturers doesn't really work.

They seem to be doing both.

Interpolating inside generation usually works to reasonable degree, in same program/game.

[willow pike]

too many variables

if you could interpolate like this hardware unboxed would be out of a job

[twin dew]

And for X3D, interpolating the uplift from non-X3D to X3D would work to some degree even if that was done on per game basis on only 5000/7000/9000 CPU, and interpolated to the rest.

But doing even single system per generation, per game would be too much work for the people behind that site.

There are couple like that one, where the numbers are useless because of too little actual testing to base the interpolations on.

But you get nice amount of money for minimal work when you run site like that with suitable advertising revenue.

Some site like that hadn't actually tested any HW in 5+ years IIRC?
Just inputted new theoretical numbers for new HW.

And ripped then baseline for new games from outside reviews.

[dire igloo]

just look at 3dcenter.org and their GPU launch analysis

It's fucktons of work to collect and visualize data, even if you're not testing yourself

You either make good estimates for broad usecases or shitty guesses for specific ones

3Dcenter does the former, that site does the latter.

[pure karma]

this is gonna be fun...

i have to try a make a battery that can barely last 30 minutes last 2 hours

there no way in heck i can game on the igpu but dammit im still going to try

[charred relic]

Just give the electrons a good motivational speech beforehand...

[pure karma]

i sure am trying but im not sure if its helping or making it worse

maybe 720P at 50% screen scale is still too ambitious

oh my....

turns out it just works

it looks straight out of the 90's but thats all i need

[willow pike]

you paid for the ram, you're gonna use the whole ram

[pure karma]

the wild part is outside of the herendous screen tearing across everything not just the game

this is ironically more playable on the igpu than with the GPU because the cpu isent dying on the power limiter

the framerate is more stable and consistent by a long shot

[charred relic]

i just found a dinosaur in my yard

rawwrrrr

Love the eyes

[pure karma]

Im so glad all of the animals are practically extinct around here

[dire igloo]

uhhhh

that's not something to be glad about

[mental oriole]

He is coming for you!

[pure karma]

it is for my safety

[dire igloo]

that's not how ecosystems work

[pure karma]

at most you go in the woods you will finds bees, ants, and uhh wood

although i did see wild ducks one summer

[soft bloom]

a lot of small annoying stuff is crucial for ecosystems and farming

[charred relic]

My new turtle buddy is friendly enough

popped his head out for lettuce lol

[jagged snow]

@dire igloo thanks again for cluing me onto that bundle
There was also a promo running for mem
So I got 7800x3d, mobo, case, and a 32gig ddr5 5000 cl36 kit for $550

[dire igloo]

5000? don't you mean 6000?

[jagged snow]

Yep

Typo

[dire igloo]

likely samsung die, so you might have trouble with running anything beyond XMP

unless it's Patriot Viper, those are hynix

[jagged snow]

Nope, corsair vengence

Which is fine, x3d chips aren't as sensitive as the rest of thier lineup to memory perf

So I'm perfectly happy with xmp on that kit

[dire igloo]

okay, that's very likely Sammy

[night girder]

👀

SSD 5.0 lanes are reported too slow on 1851 motherboards to get full 14GB/s from SSD.

and drop to 12GB/s

And if you use a risercard to hijack PCIe 5.0 x16-slot (GPU) then you get full speed.

Full article: www.thessdreview.com/our-reviews/nvme/intel-core-ultra-200-series-motherboards-are-not-achieving-m-2-slot-gen-5-ssd-14gb-s-performance/

"Intel can confirm that the PCIe 5.0 lanes 21 to 24 on the Intel Core Ultra 200 desktop processors may have higher latency than the PCIe lanes 1 to 16, due to a longer die-to-die data path. However, variations may differ depending on the workload and capabilities of the connected device."

So this motherboard uses different tiles. And that's the issue it seems. The soc tile seems fine. Because it has CPU and RAM die to die connection.

but the lanes for SSD are from the i/o tile which is don't haver connection to CPU tile and causes this behavior.

[twin dew]

Not motherboard, that is the CPU.

[night girder]

The PCIe 5.0 lanes for the M.2 slots on Intel socket 1851 **motherboards **appear to be too slow to get the most out of the fastest PCIe 5.0 SSDs. The latest generation of SSDs, including the Samsung 9100 PRO, therefore only achieves about 12GB/s read speed of the possible 14GB/s

[twin dew]

The tiles are on the CPU.
So any PCIe lanes from the CPU, that aren't the primary x16 slot intended lanes, have performance issues.

[twin dew]

Everything in this pic is in the CPU.

[tribal kraken]

That reminded me that I never ran Crystaldiscmark on my 9100 Pro 2TB on this system, read can reach 14 GB/s

[safe trench]

no

didnt know you were on windows 10

[tribal kraken]

I just tested CAD file open times against 980 PRO and Corsair MP700 elite

[night girder]

Euh sorry let me catch up what you wrote.

[night girder]

Oh, yes. My bad. CPU is divided in the tiles. Not motherboard as I said.

Anyway. Get fucked consumers.

I wonder if they will put it on the package of the boards; this board will have at max 12GB/s M2 speed.

[tribal kraken]

Really hard to notice without test software

[night girder]

Some other people pointed out, this will probably be allowed, The same that USB 3 port don't alway reach speed they require.

[jagged snow]

Heck, neither do displayport or hdmi

[night girder]

So, all legal right

[pure karma]

its not like anyone is going to do anything about it anytime soon

so yep

[night girder]

nothing there is to be done about it.

it's the architecture of the CPU.

The processor manufacturer does not yet say whether the problem can be solved with a firmware update. That seems unlikely, since the slower connection of the I/O tile from which the PCIe 5.0 lanes for the M.2 slot come is inherent to its hardware design.

All community can do is raise awareness.

and if people are fine with not getting the max speed (which is a very valid case) than all is good.

What irks me about all this, is transparency to consumer. If that's all covered, I have no issue with it.,

and clearly an oversight of whoever designed the tiles. Or a accepted consequence by designer.

[pure karma]

yes there is, its called telling the fucking consummer what the real limitations and information in detail of a product is

instead of just throwing it at you and saying its some of this

[night girder]

👆

There are so many instances of hardware not performing as advertised.

PCIe specification tell us the theoretical max afaik. It's not legal binding or anything.

[pure karma]

well atleast its a real number

like if im advertised 1000mbps internet im not gonna bitch because its a 950mbps right

[night girder]

I do agree with you, you should think some government body would test hardware to see if speeds are as advertised.

[pure karma]

as long as its a proven number thats performing close to as expected and disclosed by the manufacturer that those limitations are there then whatever idc

[night girder]

And that's why we have reviews 😄

because vendors can't be trusted, so we let other people test. And test again.

And then read/watch reviews to get a better understanding of the real capabilities of hardware.

In a perfect world, this wouldn't be needed.

If I was president I would make one simple law; "Vendors can't lie to consumer."

Ofcourse I would word it better, lie/mislead/misdirect etc to cover all legal basegrounds.

but point is; I would make the law as broad as possible. Just to prevent all sorts of shady practices and try to get 99% transparency between vendor and consumer.

but with capitalism and globalisation as the main forces that steers our world such a law is heresy.

[pure karma]

indeed

and the crazy thing is this is a problem everywhere

and generally very blatantly too

oh gosh darnit my headphones broke

The plastic literally just decided it had enough

ehh whatever its decoration anyway

[glossy glacier]

3DMark goofed the clock reading a bit

[maiden coyote]

How much loss are we taking about... and does it matter? The user using Windows/programs probably won't notice a difference between 3GB/s vs 300 GB/s

[night girder]

14GB/s to 12 GB/s.

#off-topic-tech message

[maiden coyote]

If you're using your storage as memory for a page file/swap for whatever reason.. sure, but you've got other issues

That's not really much of a difference

~15% but I think they should still mention it

Maybe I wanted to use the x4 slot for 100gbe networking or something..

[dire igloo]

it can accumulate if you're using it for a work drive

[maiden coyote]

I doubt you'll see that in any normal workload

And even abnormal.

[dire igloo]

more like professional video editing rig where you get paid by project and not by the hour

[pure karma]

in what universe will you ever need that much data transfer when editing

[dire igloo]

in any professional editing environment tbh

[pure karma]

already by like 200MBPS of footage most gpus wont keep up

[dire igloo]

projects in 4K with more effects etc

and any time spent rendering is time you don't make money

[charred relic]

I'd like to know how my monitor went from out for delivery yesterday to arriving tomorrow...

Next day I'd get, it was late and they didn't get to it but... another day on top of that doesn't make much sense

heh portable cassette players that can rip your cassettes to mp3

that sounds about as useful as balls on a priest...

The playing part I get...

[languid gulch]

i wonder if the delivery vehicle got in a wreck or broke down

[charred relic]

something like that is one of the few things that could make sense

like it was totally tossed and had to be re-sorted or something

...hope my monitor isn't damaged lol

also im getting txts from somebody wanting somebody to pick them up at the airport saying where they are... i just keep refusing to do it lol

by the time he gets the right number he should be good and steamed 😄

lel

[tribal kraken]

Oh well, seems like Helldivers 2 has big problems with AMD core parking and game mode with 2 CCD CPUS..

[languid gulch]

is there a way to make an AMD cpu always pick the best core for gaming without having to pick it every time you fire up a game?

[tribal kraken]

It should be automatic with detected games with Game Bar. It does detect it but sometime alt+tab makes it go crazy and the game audio and FPS starts to sutter

After launching the game it runs fine and correct half of the CPU goes to sleep

But for unknown reason it loses it just random. Its so bad stutter that it becomes unplayable. Have to see tomorrow how does Windows powerplan and disabling core parking affect it

I dont mind running it on non-cache cores, 4K its enough fps

Reading reddit and steam forums I'm not alone

Also noticed that if I run the game windowed, and alt+tab from there, the stuttrer is gone if the game runs in backround

I'm almost sure that Ryzen master game mode with disabled half of CPU would fix it, but just dont want to do that everytime I want play Helldivers

[twin dew]

Task Manager affinity, Project Lasso, possibly others.

[languid gulch]

lol

dual core 9800X3D

[charred relic]

Yeah I think there are other ways to force cores and such to be used not sure... but like you say anything you have to do then undo is going to become a chore very quickly

[twin dew]

Project Lasso in the paid version can be set to do it automatically per-program.

[charred relic]

i used to have to disable a SATA card becuase it was triggering one of those anti cheats a game used

and i feel sorry for some of the folks with the same problem becuase mine was a chip on a card i could disable, many had it as part of their motherboard and had no other drive options

[tribal kraken]

Hard part here is that I cant reliably reproduce the stutter, it begins just random and does not go away before game restart.

For testing purposes

[charred relic]

yeah cpu affinity is what i was thinking

[tough owl]

gotta love working in help desk

and hearing saying stuff like

"these monitors over here, theyre double monitored so theyre really nice to use"

[pure karma]

im guessing that was in reference to an ultrawide monitor?

[dire igloo]

Probably more like "these PC setups have two monitors which is much better than just one monitor"

It's rare to see 21:9 in a work environment, let alone 32:9

(says all that while having a 32:9 monitor at work)

[charred relic]

ok so... this keyboard feels pretty amazing

[dire igloo]

Which one?

[charred relic]

Keychron K4 HE

[charred relic]

Think that mouse I exchanged might have had other issues or something. The battery on this one doesn't seem to be draining nearly as quickly

[charred relic]

I'm sure for keyboard guys this board is very mid but man it feels nice to me, these keys are like butter

[languid gulch]

any keyboard that's an improvement over a previous one is better 🤣

peripherals are way too personal for me to criticize. if it works for someone & is better than they had before, that's a good thing

the ones i criticize are the ones that i've used & have something wrong with them or aren't for me

[charred relic]

Yeah keyboards and mice are quite subjective.

[charred relic]

https://tenor.com/view/intel-dead-inside-logo-gif-16821712

[tribal kraken]

DDR5 voltages seem not so simple. New info to me that VDD and VDDQ can be limited by the PMIC on the sticks itself

[twin dew]

Because with DDR5, the MB just feeds 5V to the DIMMs and that PMIC generates the other voltages on the DIMM.

[tribal kraken]

Yeah, seems like the Corsair kit I have, cant run more than the 1.435V

[twin dew]

And there are in theory two voltage-ranges for the output, but some DIMMs don't possibly support that higher range.
And sometimes MBs had issues switching to that higher range.

Trying to do that switch in wrong order.

[tribal kraken]

True. But 1.435 will be enough and see what can do with it, benefits really marginal.

Enabling "DRAM High voltage mode" in BIOS and setting 1.50 VDD/VDDQ results in 1.15V at HWinfo64, Zentimings says 1.50V.. But guess the HWinfo is correct as it makes errors in minute.

1.45V is no boot with "DRAM High voltage mode enabled

[twin dew]

Config being for 1.50V with high-voltage mode, but the DIMM PMIC ignores that high-voltage mode flag, and just uses the low voltage mode for the same bit-pattern.

Also, Zentimings permanently installs old security vulnerable driver.
HWInfo now can show the exact same info.

IIRC, moment.

Ok, not fully everything:

Some of the voltages aren't in the HWiNFO sensors that the ZenTimings in theory shows.

And the set impedances aren't AFAIK.

[verbal raft]

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[visual tree]

Anonymous survey my ass 🤣

Survey has a very long custom link and I bet it records my local IP so guys from the IT department know exactly who filled the survey....

One of the questions was: how can we increase your motivation

My response: higher salary

[wanton orchid]

we don't identify you but we save the result and allow you to continue later
unless it's a different third-party domain AND saved on local computer
they do identify you

[visual tree]

Correct. The only true anonymous survey is the one printed on a piece of paper which you fill by hand

[wanton orchid]

not even, your way to write can be identified
it must be a third party domain with no cloud communication, that allow you to download your form
then you can transfer it as is to a third party domain link

then they get a collection of standard completed form
no ID

[visual tree]

True in small companies unless you have a survey with a rating scale where you don't write anything

Although if people know you well, they still might identify who filled the survey

[wanton orchid]

even big companies as you fill it to local agency ?

the best way is having the form tool not even online, as a standard app
but I don't know of one

[visual tree]

If it's a survey with rating scale only where you don't write anything and it's not done on department level but instead on the level of the whole company, I guess it's almost impossible to identify person who filled the survey

[wanton orchid]

you download the form, you process it with standard form app
you upload the form to third party link

[visual tree]

They are doing surveys on department levels here so I am 100% sure managers will know who filled the survey even without IT department help

[night girder]

I think there are studies that showed that higher salary doesn't motivate.

[visual tree]

Shhhh 🤫

[dire igloo]

Ehhhhh, "money can't buy happiness" is often quoted and researched and the results are generally that not being poor makes you happy, but it's diminishing returns beyond that

So a millionaire doubling his income won't be any more happy then before, but if you're living paycheck to paycheck then you will absolutely see an uplift in happiness

[night girder]

I am talking job moitvation. Not hapiness.

[dire igloo]

tho it should also be said that you can't fix sadness by throwing money at it

[night girder]

Motivated on the job != happy life.

In fact, research suggests that even if we let people decide how much they should earn, they would probably not enjoy their job more.

[dire igloo]

If you're happier in life, your productivity goes up - it's for good reason that work-life-balance and a four day work week are more and more common in modern media

[night girder]

The Raise Fade: Why Pay Increases Aren’t Enough to Keep Today’s Talent

employees who feel their opinions matter are 3.5 times more likely to be engaged at work.

[dire igloo]

Fair point, money alone isn't the fix

But it's delusional to say it's ineffective

[night girder]

There are so many studies out there that investigate motivation at work and the correlation with wage and other things like feeling appreciated, feeling that the job pays off, etc etc.

There was an emphasis on transparency, collaboration, and genuine recognition for hard work. My managers didn’t just throw money at problems; they invested in creating an environment where everyone felt included, motivated, and supported.

The concept of high wages = happy employees is pretty outdated.

[twin dew]

Yes, after certain POINT the higher salary doesn't motivate.
And high pay will not keep person in bad jobplace, if there is alternative he can move into.

But high enough wage is very large thing in keeping workers in the work.

[dire igloo]

If I know that my opinion is valued and that my suggestions are taken seriously, then it's much more likely that I'm already happy with my happy - because it's also more likely that my employer is already valuing me financially

[night girder]

While salary increases are **important **and can play a role in employee motivation, their effects are fleeting. A healthy work culture, however, has a far more significant and long-lasting impact on employee satisfaction and business performance. For leaders looking to make meaningful changes, investing in a positive workplace culture can yield far greater returns than simply offering raises.

[twin dew]

Yes, but no matter how healthy that work environment is, the people don't stay if they cannot afford to.

BOTH are needed.

[night girder]

Euh, dafuck?

[dire igloo]

You're missing the point.
Money alone isn't the fix. You can't substitute a shitty environment with a higher salary.
But you're making it sound like pay raises should be completely neglected which just isn't true

[night girder]

Many of my colleagues traded in wage to switch to companies that didn't treat them inhumane.

So maybe it's different per country. But in my country is very much a thing.

[twin dew]

Yes, when the wage at the new company is HIGH ENOUGH.

[dire igloo]

They're worse off, but are they poor?

[night girder]

I am talking in trading 400-500 euro per month.

[dire igloo]

That doesn't mean that they're financially struggling

[twin dew]

From what?
2000e per month?
Or 4000e per month?

[night girder]

They rather have a fun day at work, then earn the extra money each month.

2500 to 2000 etc.

[dire igloo]

If their new salary is enough for them to live off of, then it's absolutely realistic

But that's exactly what I meant: more money makes happier as long as it reduces your degree of poverty

[twin dew]

But basically today lot of work doesn't pay the bills, and the managers and exec level tries to go even cheaper all the time.

[dire igloo]

Poverty reduces happiness, but wealth doesn't increase it

[dire igloo]

Before or after tax?

[night girder]

Again, I think this very specific per country.

A lot of work here does pay the bills. People just live a lifestyle that requires a lot of money.

[night girder]

That's not a new symptom of todays age. That's companies being companies. Efficiency. Profit.

[dire igloo]

Germany recently had wage negotiations between federal administration and unions.
The result: after adjusting for inflation, employees receive 0.6% more money compared to the last wage negotiations.

And wages will stay on that level until March 2027.

[night girder]

But I noticed a big shift in my environment how people looked at work.

[dire igloo]

Employees are LOSING money

[night girder]

Suddenly it went from "The job pays to bills" to... - "Fuck this, I am nearing a burn out, fuck the money, I choose a different job for my mental health".

[dire igloo]

Eh, pricing and availability have shifted.
In the past, cost of living was low and luxuries were expensive.
Nowadays, luxuries are super affordable but cost of living has increased significantly

[dire igloo]

Let me guess: it happened over COVID, but there were no major raises during the time?

COVID brought high levels of inflation, so without raises to match that, people were suddenly struggling with their day to day expenses

[visual tree]

Perfect example regarding my coworker: He is living from pacheck to paycheck and his landlord just increased the rent and gave a 1 month deadline to accept the rent raise or move out. He was working really hard hoping the company will recognize his contribution and give him a raise, this unfortunately didn't happen.

Now he is really disappointed and doesn't really have any motivation besides looking for another job

[dire igloo]

The reward for hard work is usually more work

[night girder]

Been there.

[visual tree]

Yeah, unfortunately

[night girder]

Got stuck on jobs for a few years with a lot of promises.

A bit like a carrot that keeps the donkey going.

https://tenor.com/view/carotte-gif-10757250

[night girder]

Also, this wouldn't fly in my country. Not at all. We got laws against that.

[dire igloo]

It's where I am right now - tho I'm also still in AuDHD therapy after getting diagnosed last year

[visual tree]

If he got a raise, he could at least save some money aside and spend some on going to cinema/hanging with friends at the bar etc...

[dire igloo]

Plus, I applied for higher positions internally, they're just incredibly shit at scheduling interviews

[visual tree]

The company not giving him a raise basically killed his motivation to work at that company

[twin dew]

Basically the work needs to be meaninful enough for you personally.
The pay high enough.
And the work environment good enough.

But all three are needed for most people.

[twin dew]

And that basically hit the second and third points in my list.

[night girder]

I never said it didn't 🤣 All I said was; money is not everything.

[twin dew]

Pay isn't high enough, and the work environment/boss showed he was kind of asshole.

[night girder]

And that there is a shift. Especially in my environment. Maybe west europe even.

[dire igloo]

It's like a barrel with all the planks being different length.
The barrel can only hold as much water as the shortest plank allows

[pure karma]

you guys get paid?

[night girder]

Baldur, did you read the news about PowerSchool? They paid a ransom in 2024 with the promise that others wont be targeted by hackers.

[dire igloo]

Eh, kinda. We argued that money matters, you held against that and ended up sounding like money doesn't matter

[visual tree]

Real estate market here is a nightmare. People can no longer fulfill bank criteria to get a loan in order to buy an apartment while rents are also insane

[night girder]

Now schools getting targeted one by one by hackers. Oof.

[visual tree]

And the landlord can raise the rent anytime they want

[night girder]

Same here.

[pure karma]

i work my like 40 hours a week for free

[dire igloo]

In Germany, rents are regulated - but only relative to the neighborhood.
So if you're living in a shitty market, this regulation does jack shit

And then there's Gelsenkirchen where the renter market is so dire that landlords offer multiple rent-free months just to get people to move into their apartments

But that's Gelsenkirchen, so checks out

[visual tree]

Central bank imposed a law where banks are forced to automatically decline you a loan if your loan monthly pay is higher than 50% of your monthly income which is only going to make things even worse

[night girder]

PowerSchool is aware that a threat actor has reached out to multiple school district customers in an attempt to extort them using data from the previously reported December 2024 incident. We do not believe this is a new incident, as samples of data match the data previously stolen in December. We have reported this matter to law enforcement both in the United States and in Canada and are working closely with our customers to support them. We sincerely regret these developments – it pains us that our customers are being threatened and re-victimized by bad actors. source: www.powerschool.com/security/sis-incident/

And that's why you don't pay idiots. And now they regret it huh?

[visual tree]

Not to mention meeting 30% of salary going to loan recommendation is no longer possible in this market today

[night girder]

I've been to banks to get a loan. I don't have a loan.

The money they offered was enough to buy 5 bricks of a house.

It's insane, but I managed, just have to be creative and open minded.

[visual tree]

I think they would offer me a max of €20000. Anything more and they will laugh at your face 😅

[dire igloo]

And that's also why we need strong infosec requirements for public service

[night girder]

I think I could get 37.000 euro 10 years ago as a loan.

If you have a partner is better, because they know 2 people are more likely to pay off (and can pay more) than someone alone.

[dire igloo]

Buy five bricks to throw in the bank's windows.
Get others to do the same.
There needs to be a revolution

[visual tree]

I feel sorry for people who won't inherit apartment/house from their parents. They are really screwed right now

[night girder]

Yeah, life is really really unfair.

But there are things like co-housing. Not sure if it's a popular concept in other countries.

And a lot of young people (20-30) keep living with their parents in my country.

[dire igloo]

It was a couple years ago that I found a very alarming statistic:
The amount of work hours needed to fund a one-family home with minimum wage.

In 2021 (or maybe 2022), you had to work MORE minimum wage hours to fund a home than you had to during the GREAT DEPRESSION.

[visual tree]

Hell, I know lucky people from college who got a new apartment as a birthday gift from their parents

[night girder]

I know someone who got a full house from her uncle.

Like, ... here is a house for your whole family.

A stand alone house. 3-4 bedrooms. A garden.

Meanwhile I was living with my dad back then.

[dire igloo]

"if you're homeless... just buy a house?!"

[night girder]

I know I whished back then that someone would give me a house to live in.

She was the same age as me.

[visual tree]

I think we will never have a moment like in 70's where you could buy a whole house with a single income 😭

While your wife was at home and watching over children

[night girder]

19th century, where you could just claim a plot of land in America and build a house on it.

All you needed was a axe to chop wood. And a gun to shoot.

[visual tree]

Some people do it today but act surprised when the government orders them to demolish the house 🤣

[night girder]

To me it's such a crazy concept. You just go out into the wilds. And claim a plot of land. Start building on it. With 0 paper work. You just did it.

[visual tree]

If you refuse, the government will send a "wrecking ball", including a nice bill

[night girder]

It's weird. In the end, we're just advanced monkeys. So the whole planet should be ours 🤣

Freedom is such a weird concept. Does it even exist?

[visual tree]

Here you can't even go fishing at the sea without paying a fee first 😅

[night girder]

We can't put our tent up in the wilds to sleep.

But if you have a fishing rod... it's allowed for some weird reason.

So a lot of people go "wild" camping with a fishing rod to avoid fines, rofl.

[visual tree]

Lol

[night girder]

Oh. Asablic.

Here there is a new law, that the cap of bottles, can't be removed anymore. Is that also in your country? I wonder if it's EU law.

That's how far the goverment goes.

[twin dew]

EU

[night girder]

Deciding the bottle caps of milk bottles. Fuck em.

[visual tree]

Yes, I think it's an "invention" on the EU level

[night girder]

Fuck em so badly.

The whole promise after WO2 about what EU is suppose to be is a fascade.

[visual tree]

I hate those caps....

[night girder]

EU was never meant to be this monster. That controls caps of milk bottles.

It's going way too far. Ah well. I just cut em off 🤷‍♂️

https://tenor.com/view/tokyo-rebels-alchemyofawesome-gif-7057030285917256678

Can't way for the EU revolution tbh. (like the french revolution, it's going to happen, just a matter of time).

[visual tree]

China is testing thorium nuclear reactor while EU is innovating bottle caps 🤣

[night girder]

Yeah, even China is like; that's a bridge too far.

"We want data of our citizens, but controling caps of milk bottles, no ..." - China.

[night girder]

It's not even innovating. Just annoying.

I keep spilling milk all over the kitchen trying to open the things.

You know how much milk I already wasted because of the caps? 🤣

[visual tree]

Forgot to put quotation mark on "innovating" 😅

[twin dew]

Some kind of bad environmental reason for that, to prevent idiots from throwing the caps where-ever after opening...

[night girder]

That's their argument? For real?

[twin dew]

IIRC yes.

[visual tree]

I like banning plastic grocery bags and forcing everyone to bring their own or buy canvas bags though

[night girder]

It's more stupid than I though. We are doomed.

[visual tree]

I always keep a canvas bag in my backpack and feel guilty when I buy a new bag because I forgot to take one from home

Need to buy a bigger one though 😅

[night girder]

bottlecaps isn't going to fix litter:

[twin dew]

Don't remember what happened with the fucked up regulation that was going to limit how much trees can be felled and then replanted in Finland in managed forests.
Because central europeans etc. have destroyed their forest and the regulation was being crafted to protect what it left.

[night girder]

I see so much more than bottle caps.

In the future: a bag of chips can't be seperated from the chips anymore.

You gotta eat the whole thing.

This new law is needed to reduce litter 🤣

[twin dew]

Yup, the idiots are just going to throw the whole thing in one place anyways.

[night girder]

If we just make plastic edible. The problem is solved tbh.

After use, you just eat the bottle/bag.

My point is; EU was suppose to be economic body. NATO was a peace keep mission.

Both failed and turned into mutants.

[twin dew]

NATO is officially mutual defence treaty organization.
So if any of the members are attacked, they can call for the others.

[visual tree]

At this point, it would be better to genetically modify humans to eat plastic like some special worms instead of making laws

[twin dew]

Fuckup with Ukraine etc. are separate from that.
And that Ukraine hasn't been allowed into NATO long time ago.

[visual tree]

Although I am not sure if that's technically possible

[night girder]

The Partnership for Peace (PfP; French: Partenariat pour la paix) is a North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) program aimed at creating trust and cooperation between the member states of NATO and other states mostly in Europe, including post-Soviet states; 18 states are members.

NATO is so much more than that. And they fucked up.

[night girder]

Not only ukraine, not at all. They fucked up many times.

Remember Kosovo?

[twin dew]

Only actual NATO intervention was/is Kosovo.
Everything else has been done by the countries in concert, but not as NATO operation.

[night girder]

No, but they were there.

Even in Afghanistan. A peace keeping mission ... in Afghanistan... while US was bombing the place to shit haha.

[twin dew]

Point was that western countries, some belonging to NATO, some not, have fucked around.
But not as NATO.

[night girder]

Yeah, half and half.

www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_52060.htm

You can read the missions yourself. That NATO itself posted.

Iraq, Libya, Assisting the African Union in Darfur, Sudan ....

Second Gulf Conflict, Bosnia, Herzegovina

[twin dew]

Yeah, sorry, misremembered.
The only time NATO support request has been made was by US after 9/11.

[night girder]

Yeah, the hypocrites 🤣 . (the same ones that called on the 5th article, now want to get out of NATO).

But the whole peace mission thing that some NATO members have going is very questionable.

And especially recently, a lot of people question the purpose/power of NATO.

Illustrations by Apple Photos.app. Good job AI 👍

[wanton orchid]

don't be too naive though, government have not been well working either
eu also prevented even worse abominations lately
eu does not work well
but it does not mean everything else is working better
it's going a similar line, or even worse
it's social and historical reasons
I do agree on the revolution part though
but it will require not being naive to be able to pull something better out of it all

[night girder]

What did I say that was naive?

[wanton orchid]

it's not only an argument it's unfortunately a reality I've seen it a lot here
a lot of roads have caps all over the borders

[wanton orchid]

that throwing out EU is good because problems
problems are much deeper rooted than that

[night girder]

When EU was created these were the initial values:

1. Promoting Peace and Security
2. Economic Integration and Stability
3. Strengthened Political Influence
4. Enhanced Cooperation and Solidarity
5. Safeguarding Human Rights and Democracy

[wanton orchid]

caps are much harder to collect than whole bottles

[night girder]

Where does it say "manage the every day lives of EU citizens?"
The point I made during the conversation earlier was that EU isn't what it promised to be.

It strayed from it's course, in my opinion too far, and now is this abomination. A goverment above a goverment.

[wanton orchid]

I do agree that it should never be a government over a government and that's a red flag

[night girder]

Don't get me wrong, everything has to go with the times and change/adapt.

But I just don't agree with how it changed. They could have kept their dirty little hands of certain aspects and leave it to the countries themselves.

[wanton orchid]

it should never substitute any country own government

[night girder]

Now every EU country is more EU than authentic.

Because a lot of laws are forced down by the EU, and then the country has to implement it.

[wanton orchid]

otherwise It would completely loose its "union" characteristics

[night girder]

Ah, what I am talking about is; bottom-up or top-down.

[night girder]

Well it did. We see it everywhere.

[wanton orchid]

now if you feel like that is also because lot of government just started to focus on implementing eu directive instead of actuality defending and managing their country

[night girder]

new law 3 hours ago

Promoting Peace and Security
Economic Integration and Stability
Strengthened Political Influence
Enhanced Cooperation and Solidarity
Safeguarding Human Rights and Democracy

So I guess this falls in the safeguarding human rights and democracy part or something? I don't know lol. Or Promoting Peace And Security.

EU shouldn't be deciding this. But the countries themselves.

[dire igloo]

Bullshit legislation that resulted from scared misinformation

Nothing about wildering dogs, but hey, let's allow killing an imo still endangered species

[night girder]

WWF is not pleased. They already posted a blog.

www.wwf.mg/en/?18127416/Europe-turns-its-back-on-the-wolf-and-on-science

“Downgrading wolf protection is a political move disguised as policy - it ignores science, fuels division, and jeopardises one of Europe’s greatest conservation successes. At a time when we must boost Europe’s nature - our best ally against the climate, biodiversity, and pollution crises - some decision makers are wasting time and energy to wage wars against our fragile species and ecosystems. European leaders must fulfil their duty to the public by defending nature, not sacrificing it for political gains,”

[wanton orchid]

there is even worst, look for recent critically endangered bird species protection regression (for no actual fucking reasons but to piss environment aware people off)

[tribal kraken]

Looks like just changing Windows powerplan from balanced to best performance seems to fix The Helldivers2 stutter, by awaking fully the non 3D-cache CCD. Somehow/Something alt+tabbing breaks the core parking with that game.

[night girder]

Makes sense.

[tribal kraken]

While it stutters, some of the non cache cores jump on/off

[night girder]

One of the first things I did was set it to performance.

[tribal kraken]

Yeah, that disables the parking. Then its small performance penalty If the game is run by the non-3D cache CCD

[night girder]

Reddit being amazing:

The main thing that the "High performance" mode does, is it locks your CPU to it's fastest clock speed and never lets it slow down.
So have a 5GHz CPU and you're sitting at the desktop doing absolutely nothing? Yup, CPU is going to be running at a full 5GHz.

[twin dew]

Not really with AMD anymore, the quick sleep states still work.
Just not the frequency hopping to full extent.

On AM4, the AMD provided plan did that locking when you installed chipset drivers.

Just sets that Minimum processor state to 100% too.

[night girder]

Was about to say, you can check what high powerplan does.

And figure out the exact setting that fixes the stutters.

[twin dew]

AMD thought that was unnecessary with AM5, and left it out, but seems it isn't with that specific situation.

[night girder]

Also balanced doesn't fuck with CPU it seems?

Still 0-100%.

Oh, thanks Baldur. Didn't know that. Spotted it too now. That AMD thing in advanced settings.

So microsoft just passes it on to AMD.

[twin dew]

Yeah, that was the point, Balanced used to be 5-100% by default.
High Performance being 100-100% by default.
And the old AMD Ryzen Balanced also did 100-100% IIRC, but the one that is on my AM4 desktop machine is 0-100%...

[night girder]

I am getting so confused.

One second. I make screenshot.

[twin dew]

But that 100-100% just means that the CPU will not go below base clocks.

And will still use C1 and C6 sleeps anyways.

[night girder]

You know we have two places that can set it right?

[twin dew]

Yeah, that new place used to have link to the old place for that more in-depth tuning.
But MS removed that some time ago.

[night girder]

Look what happens when I set it in control panel. The other one says it can't control it anymore.

But vice versa it's fine?

Things like these is why I hate windows. What a fucking mess.

So that leads me to believe, those two things do different stuff.

Even if it's only one minor detail they do different, something is off here.

[twin dew]

But basically AMD CPUs have the legacy OS controlled frequency steps:
Base frequency and two lower frequency steps.
And then the boost and quick-sleep stuff.
That Windows side just sets if Windows ever asks for those slow to switch lower frequency steps for "power saving" reasons.
But they don't really matter as the CPU is doing that C1 & C6 sleeping anyways when possible.

[night girder]

What windows side? Control panel or settings? Because like I said; they must be doing different things.

Else one wouldn't lock out the other.

[twin dew]

Control panel at least.

No idea what that Settings side does anymore after that change where the link to old one was removed.

But at least for me on quick idle test, setting that to 100% minimum didn't affect power usage at all.

Just raised the minimum idle frequency that HWInfo reports etc.

But as the cores are only about 5% of the time out of sleep, it doesn't matter at all.

And setting that to 100% was long time AMD recommended move with AM4 CPUs.

[night girder]

But at least for me on quick idle test, setting that to 100% minimum didn't affect power usage at all.

Setting what to 100% minimum, control panel?

[twin dew]

That Minimum processor state in the old menu, while still on Balanced profile.

Finally bothered to look the actual name.
Basically controls if OS tries to use "legacy" ACPI P-states or not for lowering the CPU frequency, or just let CPU do its thing.

https://www.thomas-krenn.com/en/wiki/Processor_P-states_and_C-states

Also what Linux side acpi-cpufreq uses.
Compared to the newer intel_pstate and very new amd-pstate

So to know more, best would be probably to look for information about the differences between acpi-cpufreq and intel_pstate.

[night girder]

Lol, hacking group got hacked.

"xoxo from Prague" 🤣

Security researchers have confirmed the authenticity of the leaked data, which contains a treasure trove of information about the ransomware operation.

The database includes approximately 60,000 unique Bitcoin wallet addresses used for ransom payments, 4,442 negotiation messages between LockBit operators and their victims spanning from December to late April, and details of custom ransomware builds created for specific attacks.

Perhaps most embarrassingly, the leak exposed a user table containing plaintext passwords for 75 administrators and affiliates.

cybersecuritynews.com/lockbit-ransomware-hacked/

[twin dew]

Samsung / Harman International (JBL, Harman Kardon, AKG, Mark Levinson, Arcam and Revel) is buying Sound United (Bowers & Wilkins, Denon, Marantz and Polk Audio) if regulatory approvals go through...

And more under both it seems.

[night girder]

"Bowers & Wilkins, Denon, Marantz and Polk Audio" none of those ring a bell.

"JBL, Harman Kardon, AKG, Mark Levinson, Arcam and Revel" a lot of those ring a bell 😄

I think I've worked with Marantz stuff before. Or it sounds familiar.

[twin dew]

Harman markets its products under various brands, including AKG, AMX, Arcam, Becker, BSS Audio, Crown, dbx, Harman Kardon, Infinity, JBL, Lexicon, Mark Levinson, Martin, Revel, and Soundcraft.

[night girder]

Euh... wtf?

I didn't even knew AKG was in US hands. Europe. Wtf you sleeping?

Yeah, AKG started in Vienna, Austria.

Someone I work with is supplier from AKG.

[twin dew]

Masimo Consumer Audio is home to eight legendary audio brands: Bowers & Wilkins, Denon, Marantz, Polk Audio, Definitive Technology, Classé, HEOS, and Boston Acoustics.

[night girder]

Well, it's a US company buying up US company. I doubt there will be issues.

[twin dew]

Not many actually separate actors left.

So in theory might get blocked on monopoly grounds.

[night girder]

By who? Doubt US is going to do that.

[twin dew]

Which that was "in theory"

[night girder]

Right ... but even in theory you can't be sure 😛

though I 100% agree, my gut feelings tells me the same.

Especially a dangerous move now with the tarrif wars going on.

Which I think US will allow because it gives them more power to fuck over outher countries.

[twin dew]

Or Trump & co might block it just because Samsung is not US.

[night girder]

We got philips left I think?

Started in the Netherlands.

and HK audio (germany).

Power handling RMS 600 W
Max. SPL peak 125 dB

Good stuff 👍

[night girder]

Nah 😄

[charred relic]

A lot of the best audio stuff comes from companies least talked about or known

because they spend money on good hardware not good marketing lol

[night girder]

yup, with a few exceptions.

[twin dew]

And all those old brands have been bought out and hollowed out, with only the name really left.

[charred relic]

For awhile streamers were falling into the Blue Yeti trap

popular streamer uses, sounds pretty good, everybody starts buying

depsite the fact there were better options for less money

[night girder]

Is that that ball microphone thingy?

[charred relic]

no

that was the snowball, it sounded terrible tbh

[night girder]

Oh yes! That one. Yeah, spotted it a lot on YT/Twitch (when I watched Twitch).

[charred relic]

it's a condenser so when people get close to it they get that "radio voice"

but like uhhh a 80 dollar condenser does that

[twin dew]

And with that kind of logo thing right in front of the mic, you know it is shitty.

For that ball thingie.

[night girder]

Also, it's blue ball(s) ... which is kinda weird.

[charred relic]

They sound fine, nothing wrong with the Yeti other than it's overpriced heh

it also has a bunch of mic patterns virtually nobody needs like omni, bi

[twin dew]

And would be better with just grill without the logo.

Basic sound waves.

[charred relic]

typical streamer just needs a cardioid.. or if they really need more rejection a super cardioid

if you want it off camera get a shotgun...

pretty simple :/

[night girder]

Don't want to be a dick CompeteToDefeat, but you are describing a behavior way broader with streamers. They also have the latest of the latest hardware in their rig.
And I don't want to say some don't need that much power. And actually use it. A lot just bought it because other streamers have it.

[charred relic]

That's what I just said

[night girder]

Streamers hardware == makes little sense often of the time.

[charred relic]

people got them because saw them

[night girder]

Yeah, I don't disagree. Just saying it's not only microphones 🙂

[charred relic]

in some cases they do have good support hardware

then they plug a pile of shit into it heh

or you can be lady gaga and release a video during covid of you singing into the wrong side of a 3000 dollar tube mic setup...

yes... that actually happened. point being i guess they might be using the stuff, doesn't mean they understand much of any of it

[night girder]

And they probably don't use it to full efficiency either. Meaning a lot of features/power go to waste. And they could have saved money.

[charred relic]

I've even seed ads for questionable brands where they do that sort of thing... like talk into the side of an end address or something

[abstract juniper]

Let's be real the most recent streamer/yt cancer mic is the sm7b. It's an ok mic that costs twice as much as it should and requires so much gain your noise goes through the roof. Streamers using a dynamic mic expecting they can sit back 3 feet. C'mon bro

[charred relic]

in an AD for the product heh

[abstract juniper]

Everyone using it cause everyone else is using it but it's straight up bad

[charred relic]

uhhh the 7b is fine lol

walk into any studio and i guarantee they have at least 2 or 3... for a reason

[abstract juniper]

"fine" is about as far as I'd go for it.

[charred relic]

it's a REAL studio mic

dude... MJ recorded most of his shit

on a 7... which is basically the SAME as the 7b

[abstract juniper]

They have it for a reason: popularity momentum.

[charred relic]

so don't tell me it's just "fine" hgahshahgaha

you are clearly n

NOT an audio guy... my man

it shows, sorry

TLM 103 junk too?

is that one just... aiight?

[abstract juniper]

I am electrical design engineer, musician, vocalist and I own a tlm103.

[charred relic]

the 7b is an industry standard for a reason...

[pure karma]

oo fun its time for the monthly dose of ragebait 🍿

[charred relic]

just like the 58 is still around for a reason

[abstract juniper]

7b is a standard because it's recognizable and it's "good enough"

[charred relic]

no. you're wrong

[night girder]

I would use a SM57 LC to record audio for streaming. Because I already own one

[charred relic]

and virtually any audio engineer will tell you how wrong you are

57's are ok too, for their price range

[night girder]

Oh, wow 7b is totally different beast.

[charred relic]

Some people don';t like the 7b becuase you have to feed it a ton of gain

my suggestion is, don't buy crap interfaces? get cloud lifter or similar?

They are super gain hungry though

[abstract juniper]

Yes and a ton of gain means you get a ton of noise. Period. End of story. Signal to noise ratio is a thing and the 7b's SNR is middling.

[charred relic]

not if you have good hardware

but what would audio engineers know

they only do the shit for a living...

[abstract juniper]

Thanks for proving you aren't equipped for the conversation.

[charred relic]

I guess Jackson was just a moron. SHRUG

[pure karma]

its not about the mic... its about how you use it

[charred relic]

if i dug into it i could count you a bunch of artists that have chosen not... it wasn't chosen for them

Chosen it

[pure karma]

if i tried long enough i coudl make a studio mic sound like a Minecraft ghast level of obnoxious easily

[charred relic]

It's not like Jackson walked in and they said "nope this is what you get pacl, just "fine""

Sorry Mike you don't deserve... good

[night girder]

You telling me, that a 7b, on my cheap focusrite with full gain, has more noise, than if I bought a very expensive interface and do full gain on a 7b? My hunch is, that the noise would be the same because gain level is the same?

Regardless of the interface?

[charred relic]

you could shave some noise, or you could inline boost it

[abstract juniper]

Largely you get a quality mic with good specs by the time you get into the $200 range. After that point it's about selecting something that's good for your voice. If you sound like MJ and you're singing his music ok. If you sound like a dude in his 40s chatting about some random topic on a podcast it MIGHT be the best mic for you, but not very likely.

[night girder]

With more expensive interfaces?

[charred relic]

i'd have to look at noise comparisons on interfaces

focusrite should be quite low though, even cranked fairly high it shouldn't be bad

I just tell people thinking about getting one to plan to buy a cloud lifter heh

[night girder]

Not what I am asking. Or curious about 😄

[abstract juniper]

You cannot shave noise out of the noise inherent to the mic. Inline gain will not make it go away. A quality interface will not make it go away.

[twin dew]

And point is that if you have cable, lower the original signal, lower the SNR will be when hitting that first amp.

[charred relic]

Yes there are likely more expensive interfaces with a lower noise floor at max gain

[night girder]

cheap interface + gain + 7b different than expensive interface + gain + 7b when it comes to noise?

[charred relic]

in fact some interfaces you won't need max gain

[twin dew]

Which is reason for phantom power etc. to mics, so the mic can have the first amp already.

[night girder]

No, it's more of a theoretical question. Since the terms sound engineers was thrown around I though you guys would know.

[abstract juniper]

The problem with the gain isn't generating noise in the interface the issue is that when you amp a signal you amp everything in that signal including the noise.

[charred relic]

phantom is only for condensors

7b is dynamic, however a cloud lifter uses the +48v to power that component

[twin dew]

Which need that internal "amp" to produce anything usable.
You could have amp in dynamic mic too.

[charred relic]

To some degree you can't even design "cranked". The knob stops but the preamp might still have a ton of overhead

err define

[twin dew]

But basically you would want the highest signal level out of the mic, that doesn't clip.

[charred relic]

if that's the case you aren't even getting a bunch of extra noise anyhow becuase you aren't hitting the top end of the pre's ability

[night girder]

One day I get a good sound out of my guitar when recording

[twin dew]

With best SNR in that first amplification you can get.

To get the best overall SNR.

[charred relic]

How can you not get a good sound these days

[night girder]

I should record my guitar and send it to you competretodefeat.

Because I am stubborn?

and want to do it with microphone.

[charred relic]

man i took it back up after quitting in the early 2000's and im like wow anybody can spend nothing and sound amazing now

[night girder]

Not just plug guitar into PC and sounds like slipknot with a press of a button.

[charred relic]

well... you can do that

the digital stuff goes past that though.... like ToneX

it's just an amp sim that uses real world modeling

[night girder]

the fact is, it's somethign I want to learn.

[charred relic]

Amplitube is the effecty side of their software

it has amp/cab models too but they aren't done with real world modeling and are just pure sim

they sound great, ToneX sound better

[night girder]

My biggest frustration is; what the mic picks up, is not what my ear picks up.

[charred relic]

My neighbor got thgat one fancy ToneX pedl and was showing it to me, was blown away really

[night girder]

So I can have a great sound in the room, one I really like, and the talent is to record it exactly like that.

or maybe it's also the lack of gear 🤣

[charred relic]

Eh... well the room should be treated for sure

if you're recording something that loud

you could also use an iso box...

One of both guys in Slipknot do that live, their actual speaker is never seen it's in a sound baffled box mic'd up

placement matters too but im sure you know that

[night girder]

Yeah. That's one improvement I made that I didn't know when I started.

I know where the cone is on my amp exactly now.

[charred relic]

Any time you see a bit of tape, like a squre or something on a cabinet

that's so they know where to mic it

[night girder]

yup

[charred relic]

super simple hack that saves a lot of headache because even off a half inch can matter

[night girder]

I can see through the "cloth" or you know the front thing of the amp to see where cone is.

So I don't need to tape it 😛

[charred relic]

I just record direct with speaker/cab sims

besides one of the biggest impacts on tone is speaker... so that gives a ton of options there

[night girder]

like I said, the sound can be great in the room.

[charred relic]

in fact... it's THE biggest

[night girder]

but when I play it back it sounds flat.

if I tweak the speaker, then it sounds weird in the room but maybe better on recording, I don't know.

[charred relic]

could be the tone/style and mic just not a good pairing too

[night girder]

I don't think I am fucking it up there. It's other things.

[night girder]

Yeah maybe.

[charred relic]

i haven't seriously micced a speaker in a long time, i played around with it a bit but saw no real advange

[night girder]

I bought a second microphone, portable one cheap for on the fly stuff and quick recordings.

Was thinking, since I have it, might aswell try to record with both 😄

[charred relic]

plus for me to get this amp good and punchy it's loud AF

I'd wear ear plugs... if i were in here recording with it. Or just play from the next room lol

[night girder]

Eh, I don't like to play loud. Chris Isaak repetitions are as quiet as a mouse in his living room.

[charred relic]

Gonna have to get that amp punchy to come through in the mic

might be why it sounds thin if you aren't getting that amp loud and punchy

[night girder]

Yes, I once told you what amp I have, not sure if you remember.

You can see where the speaker itself is and the tubes.

[charred relic]

Not the best amp for those who don't like loud lol

those things are basically in their best range cranked almost all the way up

either way you need volume to mic it up, why i said i'd have to use earplugs

[night girder]

Yeah, maybe need to buy another one. I don't think there are tube amps that can play quiet?

[charred relic]

because i'd either have subpar sound or be deaf without plug

it's not so much just an amp thing as it is a need more voume to record that way thing

and depending on what style you play that amp is perfect anyhow

[night girder]

It's a good amp, have it for many years.

Just not been able to get a good recording out of it yet is all.

[charred relic]

but that's another thing about tubes, they are also typically best when pushed hard

lol... relaly tube isn't for people who like quiet in general honestly

when you really start getting the gain up and pushing the preamp tubes hard, and they're pushing the power tubes hard

it just has a sound to it...

There's an amp kit similar to your amp I want to build at some point

[night girder]

Well I don't want to get deaf so 🤷‍♂️

And earplugs change what I hear.

[charred relic]

some are pretty good about not altering the ton so much

also the point is you're recording not performing live or something so you only gotta be able to play

It's an adjustment but meh.. the stuff in the in ear systems these days is way more distracting and that's live

like how a lot of guitarists now will have a click track playing and that would just drive me nuts. I get it... it's just something you didn't see and people didn't really do way back when other than maybe the drummer.

Unless you're

Sugarfoot... then you are the metronome lol

[night girder]

many drummers are metronomes :p

[abstract juniper]

Danny Carey

[night girder]

yes exactly 😄

I really look up to Danny Carey.

A legend.

[abstract juniper]

Not only is he a metronome, but he's an octopus

[night girder]

And just the way he drums, his style.

So creative.

[abstract juniper]

Did you know octopi have small brains in each of their limbs that independently control their limbs? He's incredible at polyrythms which is why people call him the octopus.

[night girder]

Didn't know that 😄

I do know he uses mandala's.

It has 128 strike position detection rings from its center to its edge, along with 127 levels of velocity sensitivity.

Also his technique and sheer precision is insane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5ZfYRFvVOQ

[charred relic]

Carey probably could have gone pro playing basketball. Probably made more money... but had less fun.

[charred relic]

yes

I mean in dire enough circumstances... hungry enough... various things become part of the menu, hot dog taste or not 😄

Just ask those soccer players that lived through that crash in the Andes mountains

And I think we both know the only thing that was there to eat lol

[languid gulch]

oh i was making a Carey joke

[charred relic]

Wish that everywhere wasn't sold out of the Gateron Dual Rail HE Sandspur switches

Thinking I might like the lower activation force better, not that there is anything wrong with these.

actually this is my favorite keyboard experience since the Model M lol

[languid gulch]

i want all mouse switches to be socketed instead of soldered

garbage switches seem to be the #1 reason why mice die

[charred relic]

the left button is what has killed virtually every mouse i've owned

[charred relic]

gamer sweat

[safe trench]

lol my deathaddder v2 has a hole on the rubber that perfectly fits where my thumb goes in it

i also hate synpase

[safe trench]

so glad i have a super light pro 2

so your telling me people dealt with this for 15 years?

[safe trench]

so thats why everyone hates razer huh?

i mean their april fools are pretty good, some times i wish they are real products

[safe trench]

people who use razer blades arent real people

istg they will by anything as long as it has the word "razer"

or a snake logo

[sharp oasis]

How to bench a laptop part one

Remove the fucking bottom cover

[twin dew]

And that doesn't give realistic numbers?

[mental oriole]

[twin dew]

Need to heat soak the laptop at stock config by running few rounds first, and then getting the numbers.
Or is that just for useless internet points?

[sharp oasis]

Problem is the laptop refuses to ever properly heatsoak

Spool up instantly cool back off. Fans won't stay revved

So this is my solution

[dire igloo]

Absolutely amazing voice

With that kind of voice, I wonder how often people want to hear pirate speak

[sharp oasis]

I just said how goofy can I make myself as I know what I'm doing makes basically no sense

So I came up with that

Legitimately I just said how goofy can I be and this is it

[dire igloo]

Love it

[night girder]

We don't joke about Carey.

[sharp oasis]

Over the course of a few hours it went from normal to pirate to borderline insane.

[night girder]

I think the hammer will work. It will lower the temperature of the laptop to 0 if used properly.

[dire igloo]

Love it

[pure karma]

now thats my kind of engineering

[dire igloo]

Except this is done by a techy lunatic, not a lunatic techie

[pure karma]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-jim-halpert-different-but-not-really-different-not-different-gif-25538137

[night girder]

According to the new terms of use for a Nintendo account, Nintendo** has the right to brick a Switch if the user violates this agreement**, for example. As far as is known, the new rules only apply in the United States.

This is getting crazy.

[pure karma]

Nope canada too cause mine is bitchin too

you can use your account anyway but i bet if i try to play anything online it won’t let me until I accept

[night girder]

Without limitation, you agree that you may not (a) publish, copy, modify, reverse engineer, lease, rent, decompile, disassemble, distribute, offer for sale, or create derivative works of any portion of the Nintendo Account Services; (b) bypass, modify, decrypt, defeat, tamper with, or otherwise circumvent any of the functions or protections of the Nintendo Account Services, including through the use of any hardware or software that would cause the Nintendo Account Services to operate other than in accordance with its documentation and intended use; (c) obtain, install or use any unauthorized copies of Nintendo Account Services; or (d) exploit the Nintendo Account Services in any manner other than to use them in accordance with the applicable documentation and intended use, in each case, without Nintendo’s written consent or express authorization, or unless otherwise expressly permitted by applicable law. You acknowledge that if you fail to comply with the foregoing restrictions Nintendo may render the Nintendo Account Services and/or the applicable Nintendo device permanently unusable in whole or in part.

[tough owl]

Sometimes I come back to this channel wondering how things are working

[pure karma]

not a single thing in here i just read sounds legal in the slightest

[tough owl]

It’s legal if you agree to it 🤷‍♂️

[verbal raft]

oh, dear lord

[twin dew]

Game that has actually been optimized?
Or what?

[verbal raft]

nah,
9070 XT beating the 5080

[twin dew]

Ok, checked the raw theoretical performance numbers.
That 7900 XTX and 9070 XT being at same performance is also somewhat weird in light of the theoretical raw perf.

[dire igloo]

Bold of you to assume things are working

[pure karma]

When has anything worked in here

[verbal raft]

huh, its different on TPU

though, i guess maybe cuz thats 1080p

lel

[twin dew]

Also can be from different spot etc.

[night girder]

Yeah, think so too.

[maiden coyote]

If you don't, do they brick your switch?

[night girder]

Euh. no.

[night girder]

Broski?

[night girder]

👆

Reason I doubt the game is optimized is because it's not even released @twin dew

[maiden coyote]

I saw they sent the email yesterday.. I still have to very strong urge to tell them I do not agree and want a refund on all digitally purchased games

[night girder]

I highly doubt that will work. You probably signed something that wavered all those rights.

[maiden coyote]

I'm sure it was in one of their many elua roofies over the years

[verbal raft]

does going to a different place mess with scaling ?

[verbal raft]

like for HUB the 7900 XT was as fast as the 5070 TI
while for TPU the 5070 TI was faster

[twin dew]

Changed load profiles, so what exactly is loaded to what extent changes etc.

Also, what were the other components for both, and what drivers were used and so on.

But seems that new Doom doesn't have any bad visual quality settings, even the Low is so high that older GPUs will get complete crap FPS.

[twin dew]

ID has always been very good at optimizing games for release already, and not leaving that for later or never.

And not just in prehistory, but recently.

But on completely different direction:
https://themaister.net/blog/2025/05/09/conquering-fidelityfx-fsr4-enabling-the-pretty-pixels-on-linux-through-maniacal-persistence/

[night girder]

Mhm.

Latest game they released is 2021 ish.

Nvm 2020. Doom Eternal. 5 years ago.

So I wonder what you mean with "recently".

[twin dew]

Last 10 years or so.

In this case.

[night girder]

Doom: The Dark Ages doesn’t run badly on PC, but enforced ray tracing slows the pace (source; rockpapershotgun)

[twin dew]

Yeah, this time they went with very high minimum requirements.
And very low difference in performance between the minimum details and maximum details.

[night girder]

We will see when it gets released. All I know is, I aint paying 80 bucks for a game 🤣

[verbal raft]

seems like there are now 37 games with FSR 4

[tough owl]

You just don’t use your switch can’t get past account creation

[night girder]

I wonder if they can still brick it if you disconnect it from internet totally.

and I assume anyone tempering with a switch (hardware) will make sure to stop communication with Nintendo servers and vice versa.

[pure karma]

they probably just nuke the account in a way that can in turn nuke the device

[night girder]

but if you have no internet ... how will the local account update?

Nintendo: nukes account in DB.
Switch: never connects to DB, never updates account, keeps working.

afaik, there is no telepathy.

[hardy forge]

I have a really stupid question
Do computers some need a break?

Like i left my pc for about a week cus something went wrong but now its back to its functional self agaib

[dire igloo]

It needs to be restarted regularly

The longer it runs, the more issues will accumulate

[hardy forge]

ic ic

will take that into account

[night girder]

What's the "something went wrong" and how did it function different than it does now after you left the machine on for a week?

[hardy forge]

done tests and something to do with one of the cpu cors, kept the machien crashing like every hour

and not to jinx but not had 1 yet

[dire igloo]

The most random behavior, obscure bullshit and inexplicable errors occur after leaving a windows PC on for too long

[hardy forge]

🤷‍♂️

you have to respect the machine to earn it back

[verbal raft]

🤣

[dire igloo]

Who in here has ever thanked their tech for working?

[hardy forge]

me a lot

OH MY GOD it crashed AND IT ACTUALLY GAVE ME A REASON!

RAM!

IM HAPPY!!!
I need new ram :D

MEMORY_MANAGEMENT
Code btw

[dire igloo]

Get whocrashed or just find and read the minidump files

[dire igloo]

Not necessarily

Can also be instability from OC

[hardy forge]

Its disk checking rn

[dire igloo]

Or overwhelmed IMC

[hardy forge]

idk how to read minidump file

[twin dew]

So you had CPU errors before, and you have CPU and/or memory errors now.
I really would say it is still the CPU.

[charred relic]

So that monitor is just poof not coming. Thinking about just canceling and going ultra wide at this point lol

[charred relic]

I could make a trip to Microcenter...

[night girder]

I used www.nirsoft.net/utils/blue_screen_view.html to read .dmp file this week.

Worked like a charm.

[pure karma]

and what runs memory management?... the cpu

[hardy forge]

Ah

[pure karma]

dont need to tell me twice

[sharp oasis]

Also weirdly enough

Intel TME

Will improve performance in certain tests. But hamper all others.

With tme off:

Cpuz will be worse then before

Wile cinabench R23 multicore is better.

Timespy cpu is slower then my best

It's weird as it's inconsistent

With tme on:

Cpuz is better by 200-400pts
Cinabench R23 multicore is slightly slower at 200pts lost multicore
Timespy cpu loses a few thousand points.

[sharp oasis]

@pure karma I don't think you can beat me now

[languid gulch]

my leafblower has both a turbo button & a control throttle

[sharp oasis]

its already set the throttle to max

[visual tree]

What in the world is going on in here 👀

[pure karma]

the chaos virus

[languid gulch]

a great way to blast the fan blades off your laptop

[sharp oasis]

More over bearing damage

But also the laptops fans serve two uses

[languid gulch]

depends on the laptop

[charred relic]

I have to borrow my neighbors leaf blower if I need one... he does lawn care as a side hustle

Haven't mowed my own grass in decades

[languid gulch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1kh4g51/so_thats_why_they_say_to_not_use_compressed_air/

[charred relic]

had one of those squirrel cage style fans mounted in a pc expantion slot (no actual connection) for venting... at the time cases weren't designed for good venting and a bunch of fans so often that was one of the only options

that and/or a front side 2 or 3 fan array in a 5.25 bay

[sharp oasis]

For mine I have a feeling the bearings will fail before the blades

[languid gulch]

nah, plastic will lose vs metal every time

[charred relic]

welllll i wouldn't be so sure

i've seen some pretty terrible "pot metal" before that was more britle than a lot of plastics

[languid gulch]

granted the plastic hub part of the bearing might fail

[charred relic]

I'd assume such cheap materials aren't being used for that tho... that's pretty low grade stuff

[sharp oasis]

Surprisingly the plastic is holding up better then the fan bearing a bit so far

[languid gulch]

ouchie

[sharp oasis]

Not severely damaged but I can tell it didn't like the extra pressure

It's got a slight noise to it vs just the hiss of Fans

But could also be that it's on its side and the bearing lubricant is not evenly distributed

[languid gulch]

i wonder if the bearing got unseated as well

[sharp oasis]

As spinning the bearings after letting them rest on the normal position

I don't hear any abnormal noises

And my fan blades are metal not plastic

The whole fan is metal.

[languid gulch]

i flipped a psu over with a pc rebuild, and the fan in it was NOT happy

ah, full metal fan blades is a different story

[sharp oasis]

Yeah. Dell really overdid themselves with this mf

[languid gulch]

bearing would probably wear out earlier than plastic blades

yea that's like a lightweight food processor 🤣

[sharp oasis]

I think the bearing noise was just lubricant being in a odd position

[languid gulch]

wouldn't just hurt if you touched it, would take a piece

[sharp oasis]

As stressing the fans seems to not have any issues when placed in a normal orientation

[sharp oasis]

The full metal blades are prolly why my laptop is holding up to a leaf blower

[languid gulch]

yea prolly

i'm waiting for the day fans have good enough magnets in them to just all be maglev & don't need lubricant

[sharp oasis]

Tho I think I should put the leaf blower on the intake side rather then exsaust

That way its not trying to pull air it's pushing more in

[languid gulch]

tho if you have a toothpick or something, stick it in the vent cover to stop the blades from spinning

[sharp oasis]

I have the idea to remove them entirely

[dire igloo]

Air generally finds a way, with PCs it's generally preferred to have air leave through random gaps rather than enter

[sharp oasis]

But that requires me to disassemble the entire heatsink

[languid gulch]

yea

[sharp oasis]

And laptop.

[languid gulch]

which means repaste too

[dire igloo]

Good practice

[sharp oasis]

Or reapplication of Ptm

[dire igloo]

TFX is dope af

[sharp oasis]

And I don't have more PTM or even enough left to cover both dies again

[languid gulch]

scares the crap outta me when i had to do that on my laptops. direct die stuff that i don't like to do

[sharp oasis]

I've never really been too afraid of direct die

[languid gulch]

i just have crap luck

i'm really good with my hands, i just always manage to buy the flawed product

[sharp oasis]

I wanna try putting my sim card in my laptop tho

As it has a port for it.