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dapper schooner
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it's also why so many people own game systems indtead of going for the gaming p.c. at it's scource,anyone who is a true gamer knows allot off the real magic happens with the modding and modding community as well

languid gulch
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Kerbal Space Program spoiled me as both my first "gaming pc" game, plus its mods. now my gauge is wildly off 🤣

dapper schooner
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but it also makes you all the wiser because you can do more

charred relic
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mods take so much of the shit that gets tedious out of that game

dapper schooner
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people with game systems will never know that feeling or freedom sadly

charred relic
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like... getting into orbit

languid gulch
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oh definitely. base KSP is decent, but modded KSP is incredible

charred relic
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YAWN

languid gulch
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you can't mod your way out of a shitty base game 🤣

charred relic
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Transition to another body manually setting up the burns... YAWN

dapper schooner
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true enough,lol

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but i found with java script and 250 mods you can compleatly change everything about how the game plays and what it does

languid gulch
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there's also not much resource management or crafting in it

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oh i've been tempted to try the full Realism overhaul

dapper schooner
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it's just realy a case of finding what mods work best together and acasionally setting an item adress in the scripting,lol

languid gulch
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but normal modded is more than enough for me

charred relic
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minecraft mods 😄

languid gulch
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i'm a sucker for stations. can never do spaceplanes 🤣

dapper schooner
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i'm doing everything with science and industry in mine and it's how factorio got thiere insperation as well from modded minecraft

charred relic
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yay forge!

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languid gulch
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i feel like a lot of games could use Conquest Reforged and get away with people not noticing that it's minecraft

pure karma
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i love how i finally made it out of intel hell and now i entered gearbox hell

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shiftable gears are hard to make it turns out

dapper schooner
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@charred relic it's not even just that ,any modded minecraft is an improovement over the original especialy when you can change every aspect of the game with the mods you use

visual tree
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I hate security companies....

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Sister bought a new apartment and can't change settings on the alarm system because she doesn't have the installer code while the security company which installed the system (and most likely knows the installer code) already told they will arrive 3 times but they never showed up....

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I could factory reset the system but then you have to define settings from scratch

twin dew
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And monthly reboots done...

visual tree
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Great. Apparently, you can't factory reset an alarm without installer code and there is no jumper pin....

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Hoped you could do the reset with a jumper pin or at least master pin but that's not possible

charred relic
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Find those responsible for this design and ensure that they suffer.

soft bloom
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I think it's time to start asking questions why we weren't prepared that temperature will risem like in lat year, and that there will be so many damaging nature events.

twin dew
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Because doing something about it would have cost in short term, so the stuff was buried by business interets for decades.
And then it was made political some decades ago.

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With various parties going for climate change denialism.

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And politicians too only look at the horizon of next elections in most cases.
So the political will isn't there either.
When if any single country goes into that stuff in big way, their international competiveness goes way down, meaning country wide financial issues.

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So everyone just kicks the can down the road still.

visual tree
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They will be like: "We won't give you installer code because of liability issues but we also don't want to waste time driving to your apartment so we can change the reporting phone number which will literally take few minutes so screw you!"

soft bloom
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charred relic
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Better to reject hypocrisy than to accept catastrophe.

twin dew
soft bloom
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so are you satisfyied after finding reasons why things are as they are?

twin dew
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I haven't been satisfied for tens of years.

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But complaining on this channel does nothing.

soft bloom
soft bloom
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though, in some sense, it can be said that current state is dictated by climate

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if production is lost in one region, it must be compansated with another

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anyway, I'm talking too cryptic

soft bloom
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that's a luxury.
I don't have such people around.
first emotional phrase on any topic replaces any following arguments person encounters since

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and objectively people can do shit about anything here.
Well, aside from opening social media pages under anonymous names in other countries...

wanton orchid
cyan crescent
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I get home only to be greeted by my ups screeching at me with “F06” on its screen

twin dew
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For APC, broken relay inside.

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First step to reset the fault status and make sure it repeats and is real error.
And not detection error on some transient.

dire igloo
# soft bloom I don't find this reason as something what should stop people from enforcing fur...

That's the neat part about climate change:
You probably won't be around when you'd have to face the consequences of your inaction.

Also: the most common excuses are "this isn't caused by climate change", "this wouldn't have been prevented even if we did act earlier", "we didn't know it would be THIS bad" and "had we done more, we'd be facing much worse issues now"

Yes, favoring short term gains over long term success is bullshit.
No, nobody would want to tell their children "sorry, we just didn't feel like doing smth".
And that's why people find different excuses.

wanton orchid
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like abusing parents explaining themselves by "you're at my home"

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actually explains nothing at all

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of course I'm at your home I come from your vagina bruh

pure karma
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genuine question... i know generally people say running too low voltages does no harm (or atleast permenant damage) but is that actually true?

wanton orchid
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depends what's being talked about

pure karma
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regular stuff? like cpu, gpu and so on?

wanton orchid
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an undervolted cpu likely run lower power
a undervolted power rail will run hotter and be less efficient and stable and current spike

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you want psu with highest voltage possible

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you do not want under provisioned vrm

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the specific case depends on power design

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if the power design is known to have issues
avoid rolling the dices

pure karma
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hmmm yea ik i could have guessed more amps more heat but like the efficiency spec default is about 0.75V on this cpu (laptop cpu that is 13620H) thing is the "safe" operating range for this thing is 0.9-1.3V so im not sure if i should worry or if its just gonna be slow and not cause any damage outside of that

wanton orchid
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if the spec allow lower you can probably go lower safely

pure karma
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i havent kept an eye on gpu voltages but i bet there way low aswell since i see screen tearing ocasionally

twin dew
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Undervolting is about allowing most boost in the power cap.

wanton orchid
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^ also this

twin dew
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The modern day overclocking equivalent.

pure karma
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so then whats a power cap? liek the target wattage/power?

wanton orchid
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Basically you shift the target power/performance curve

twin dew
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Limit of either cooling, or firmware.

wanton orchid
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it goes higher for same power

twin dew
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The max power the chip is allowed to use by TDP or like.

pure karma
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this thing limits at 15W in this mode so 0.75V ish at 15W

wanton orchid
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if you put lower static voltage it will simply be lower performance and/or unstable

twin dew
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Yeah, it is about offsetting the VF-curve.

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Not setting static voltage, or even static offset voltage.

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Well, with CPUs.
Curve Optimizer for AMD, VF-curve offsetting for Intel (same thing without branding).
Static offset voltages for GPUs.

wanton orchid
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that way the actual voltage stay similar, but you virtually ask it to go faster at same voltage

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it will boost more

twin dew
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Well, less voltage for same frequency.
Allowing going to higher frequency at same power or temperature.

wanton orchid
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higher or longer depending on conditions

soft bloom
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like saying that you need a doctor only if you got yourself a virus
and all the patients that got stubbed, shot, bleeding right now are not attended to. no one knows how to apply band aid - everyone looks for long-term consequences of viruses

dapper schooner
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that just prooves what i've been saying all along and that is that more people need to be better educated,our schooling system is failing us bigtime

pure karma
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and i dont think it would be unresonable to say the average temps have doubled

twin dew
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So it is now about 275C on average over there?

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Good luck.

midnight osprey
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hey guys, wondering what winwoes update is like these days ... should I just accept them all? lol

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jagged snow
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You specifically don't want the amd driver, it'll bork your driver install

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The rest are fine, just os updates and peripheral drivers

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But the only ones you really want are teh .net and security updates

charred relic
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Yes install that manually.

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My windows wants to install some crap driver then things my own board video is somehow what I really need

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No... no it is not what I really need Bill... not even close

twin dew
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Doesn't help.
Need to let Windows Update install that, then install current AMD driver manually over.

jagged snow
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Mine has auto-installed display drivers on a few occasions that borked things enough to require a ddu & reinstall

twin dew
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Unless blacklisted on per update basis.

charred relic
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I had to do one DDU and reinstall already

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like when this computer was a week old lol

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gamed great for a week then windows blew everything up

twin dew
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Never had to DDU, just redo manual install.

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After WU wrecked AMD GPU drivers.

jagged snow
charred relic
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same

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it literally wouldn't let me just update it manually

mental oriole
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I have sad news...

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My dt770 pro are starting to break down.

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a piece of plastic fell off today.

pure karma
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rip

mental oriole
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Would deffo pay premium for full metal parts.

pure karma
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honestly im not even afected by the fact that my headphones are absolutely trashed anymore

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only anoying is is the left speaker is starting to cut out and its driving me insane

mental oriole
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Also broke my sony wh-xm5

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Because plastic

jagged snow
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Drivers on my headphones are still good after 8 years or so, cable is frayed and needs replaced at some point

mental oriole
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The clipper that holds the adjustment band partially broke.
I'm thinking of trying denon next.

visual tree
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Why do users always have technical difficulties on Thursday in the morning? tired_jace

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It's always Thursday in my case

twin dew
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Because this months Microsoft Patch Tuesday again made EU computers update during last night?

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MS puts the monthly patches out on second tuesday of every month, US time.

visual tree
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Users have a different problem though. They are not receiving an sms with passcode in order to login to VPN portal for remote desktop

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You can also use Cisco Duo Mobile app instead of receiving an sms

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Correction: One user, not users

visual tree
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Problem solved: User did not click on a button "Send a passcode" tired_jace

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No wonder he did not receive any sms

mental oriole
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Oh boy...

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Imma better get back to vibe coding...

jagged snow
mental oriole
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idk ask the mods hehe

foggy tangle
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can I choose what fuel source to use, for my jetpack.

twin dew
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You have real-life jetpack?
Ask whoever manufactured the jets used?

willow pike
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you're getting a sarcastic answer because this is the non-satisfactory channel

foggy tangle
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Wait I didn't realize it was the offtopic tech channel lmao.
Sorry.

tough owl
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vibe coding 😍

pure karma
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tf??? my phone is controlling my motherboard io by being plugged into it

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i was wondering why my mouse wasent working and then i saw it wasent powered anymore because the usb port power delivery stopped

mental oriole
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You know there is a maximum power draw on usb ports right?

pure karma
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dont know dont care

tough owl
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and this is why things break every 2 weeks for you

twin dew
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And might be why some of your USB ports don't work, if that was the case.
Don't remember WHAT your problem was with USB ports when trying to update your BIOS.

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Phone pulling too much current and burning the USB port hardware on motherboard out.

twin dew
odd rune
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Hello

verbal raft
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soft bloom
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something scary began happening with my PC
few days back I had it loose display signal, play long-short-short beeps and don't turn on
today this happened twice.
strangely, the fix seems to be in just letting it stay off for a bit
that's just not alright.

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and this in addition to steam spamming me yesterday with 'system data' popup

warm jay
soft bloom
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MSI

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oh and part of a strange detail is that when that display signal is lost, for both monitors, sound continues. so it's not completely frozen PC.

warm jay
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gpu issue probably

soft bloom
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though on one occasion I was in a game, while listening to podcast I downloaded.
podcast continued, while game sound was repeating.
which is quite odd 🙂

warm jay
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maybe you can check if the gpu is seated correctly

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or try a different display port

soft bloom
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both connect to gpu straight

soft bloom
warm jay
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maybe try with only one, and check every port. but you really should check if its plugged correctly. apparently this beep code is gpu related for msi

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if this doenst help, you can try to unplug a ram, and check both of them

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well if you have two, otherwise try a different slot

twin dew
dire igloo
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If it's GPU, try DDU

twin dew
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The whole branch is just buggy, and one case is that if the Windows primary monitor isn't the 1, you can get black screens...
So in some configs you need to switch monitor connectors around in the GPU based on GNs piece.

soft bloom
soft bloom
soft bloom
soft bloom
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hmmm. happened on windows too

pure karma
twin dew
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Or wasn't behind same output.

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Traditionally USB-ports were in pairs.

pure karma
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they are both into the respective dedicated keyboard and mouse ports

twin dew
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There are no such things, unless you are using PS/2 and not USB.

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You are probably misinterpreting the manufacturer recommendation to plug mouse and keyboard into the slower USB2 ports.

pure karma
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My motherboard has like 3 diffraction kinds none of which are labeled

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theres 2 blacks 4 blues and 4 reds

twin dew
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Which denote speeds.

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Black: USB 2, 480Mbit/s.
Blue: USB 3.x, 5Gbit/s.
Red: USB 3.x, 10Gbit/s.

pure karma
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i know it displays speed 🤷‍♂️ what i dont know is the other diffrences and there limitations because i have nerver cared or had to care because i have nerver reached them

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i guess il do some research whenever i have time and im not being a excel editing slave

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languid gulch
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got a dumb one for y'all

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is it possible to use a PC's wireless card as a repeater or extender for the wifi

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like linking a phone thru it to the network

pure karma
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could make a mobile hotspot but idk about merging it as the same network

languid gulch
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there's some spots in the house where the wifi signal to my phone just sucks. it'll do the 2.GHz band just fine, but 5g doesn't show up at all. but the 5g shows up fine with both signal & strength for the PC

pure karma
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i just made the biggest discovery of my life about the headphone jack

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its keyed so it actually has 2 connection depths and GUESS WHAT plugging it in half way fixed my headphones cutting out and they still work normally jacelul

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i guess the deep bits of the connector are probably scratched to oblivion from likely rotating on itself over the years

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now its likely not a permanent fix because the wire has actually started MELTING but thats a problem for another time

languid gulch
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oh i love it when steam does a download without my permission

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no wonder my internet was shit for a while

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unrelated to my previous question tho 🤣

winged valley
soft bloom
twin dew
visual tree
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Broke my wrist watch and temporarily borrowed my dad's smart watch since he refuses to wear it. Now I understand why he hates smart watches....

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You keep getting bombarded about how the watch is tracking your steps, how you reached 6000 steps, how you need to get away from a monitor at work and walk for a few minutes

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At this point it feels like the watch is controlling your life....

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I should probably check settings and see if I can make it show time only without those annoying health functions

short marlin
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Asus often using red
Annoying

dire igloo
dire igloo
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2x2 or whatever bs

twin dew
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1x is 5Gbit/s, 2x is 10Gbit/s, and then that 2x2 was two lanes of 10Gbit/s for 20Gbit/s.
Which is depricated now.

visual tree
foggy tangle
twin dew
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UObject leak which devs are asking special logs for

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This is again Off-Topic

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glossy glacier
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we were all happy with USB4 simplifying it
...then they introduced USB4 v2

soft bloom
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ahahahahahahah
guess who claims this is all fake
surprising how such propaganda crosses borders into war-opposed country...

verbal raft
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this guy seriously thinks that a shitty sharpening filter is better than FSR 3.1 LOL

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tall plaza
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how much is the difference in efficiency and speed between 4x8GB Ram sticks and 2*16GB RAM sticks?

twin dew
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DDR4?

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And what CPU, and what wanted RAM frequency?

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And single-rank (1Rx8) or dual-rank (2Rx8) on each option?

soft bloom
native mortar
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Set up the lighting for my new case 😀

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soft bloom
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Which is 4 and 2 racks reapectively?

native mortar
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Super happy with it!

pure karma
twin dew
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About 10% in actual RAM throughput.

soft bloom
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Size?

twin dew
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And the only differences between two sticks, and four sticks, is if that gets you those extra ranks, without going significantly lower in frequency.

twin dew
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If that 8GB stick is made with 4Gb x8 chips, it will be 2R with 16 chips.
If that same stick is made with 8Gb x8 chips, it will be 1R with 8 chips.

soft bloom
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Where would these be listed when sold?

twin dew
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And then there are x16 chips that suck, where you have half the chips.

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8GB DDR5 DIMMs are all with x16 chips.

soft bloom
twin dew
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And that CPU matters to that max frequency that can be expected with 2 sticks, and with 4 sticks.

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So 1Rx16 8GB DDR5 DIMMs have four 16Gb chips on them.
And the performance just sucks compared to 1Rx8 16GB DDR5 DIMMs.

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Well, that 10-15% difference for the RAM throughput,.

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But basically the performance of the RAM depends on frequency, latencies and amount of ranks/bank groups.
And CPU limits that frequency, depending on how many sticks there are, and when going to 3R or 4R compared to 1R/2R.

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On DDR5, 1R already has enough bank groups (on x8 chips, x16 chips have half the bankgroups) for move to 2R not making that big initial difference anymore.
On DDR4, 2R gives that 10% actual bandwidth difference.
And going to more then gives about 1% per extra rank.

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With same frequency and latencies.

dire igloo
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And then there's 2dpc shenanigans

twin dew
tall plaza
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cuz i would be ablke to save like 20€ and im def doing that if the efficiency isnt thaaaaat much worse yk

twin dew
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Limits the max frequency that can be supported.

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If the 1DPC setup isn't running higher RAM frequency than the 2DPC setup, the 2DPC will perform better.

dire igloo
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Example:
Corsair vengeance ddr5-6000 cl30 in 2x16 and 4x8
vs
Teamgroup T-Create Expert ddr5-6000 cl30 2x16 and Patriot Viper ddr5-6000 cl30 4x8

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Cuz you should absolutely be doing the latter unless you have specific aesthetics in mind for the RAM kit

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It's not the best coverage of stores, but you have better filters

soft bloom
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What would cause win11 to not see primary display and also recognize secondary one at higher resolution?

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Yesterday I reattached the gpu and chnaged output ports (dp and hdmi)
No issues followed
But today I tried win11 and... It doesn't aebd signal to 4k monitor and thinks that fhd one is 4k
Placing ports back didn't help. No such issue with ubuntu

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Hmmmm
And trying to launch amd software brings up message that it's incompatible with current driver?..

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It's like some wizard put a curse overnight

charred relic
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Kinda sounds like Windows did it's stupid thing again or something

soft bloom
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There weren't any updates... No "wait 3 minutes" for sure

charred relic
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Weird

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I got nothin on that one

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Other than arrange the displays in the ports you want, ddu then instlal driver again

soft bloom
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Windows lists 2 uninstalled updates from yesterday

charred relic
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Is an ultrawide a pain the ass for like.. desktop

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or any issues with games not supporting it properly... I heard...something that was a downside but I don't remember now

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It was also years ago when that was sort of a new thing

soft bloom
charred relic
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I need a decent monitor better than 1080p with freesync

soft bloom
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And windows manager (lowercase) should solve splitting workspace just fine

charred relic
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Was eyeballing a 34" ultrawide

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One of the lower end ones for sure... some of those things get super pricey at that price.. I don't need fancy just solid

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errr at that resolution/size

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3440x1440 which should be a decent resolution for my card I guess...

twin dew
charred relic
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And see that's what I was worried about... some of the games I enjoy are old too

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I guess I can just use my 1080p display for things that don't want to play nicely with ultrawide... i dunno

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Or my giant TV like I'm using now hahah

twin dew
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Just can play with black bars on sides.

charred relic
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I have 55" of amazon like 5 feet from me

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Seeing of Keychron ever added the Q4 HE to their Amazon sore. They haven't. And as much as I love this Q5 it's 250 bucks lol

dire igloo
charred relic
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regardless of what I get I want to try magnetic switches, I hear good things

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The reason I'd risk it is... easy enough to return for one.

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Also it's a brand I own two displays from and they are bother on the lower end and work great

dire igloo
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VA monitors, especially cheap ones, often experience what is called black smearing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKojsdVFCI8
They also often have ghosting issues due to poor response times and are rarely ever worth the savings versus an IPS panel.
Their main advantage is in high contrasts from deeper blacks, one of the pitfalls of IPS panels. This is good for watching content, but for gaming the motion performance issues outweigh it.

It is generally best practice to not recommend VA panels unless they are proven to be good by a professional reviewer.

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Black smearing VA vs IPS

Comparison between an AOC CU34G2X overdrive medium and an Asus PG279Q overdrive normal.
The screens are side by side and filmed with an iPhone XS in slow motion.

Black smearing is more or less visible depending on the case.
We can also see the ghosting on UFO test

Comparaison entre un AOC CU34G2X overdrive medium et un ...

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dire igloo
charred relic
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In fact going by specs it seems like the same panel as in the Samsungs in the same price range

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Think it's just QX HE

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Which gets confusing sinde there is a QX without magnetics lol

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but there might be a K

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oh yeah lol in fact the one I want is KX

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K4 HE... again though they have a K series non HE, maybe they needed a new system there lol

dire igloo
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Sent you a link in DMs, has recs for keebs and monitors

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Note that for the monitors, there are still quality differences between the models

charred relic
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I'm half tempted to just go to unicomp and buy a model m

dire igloo
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So while two models can be listed aside one another, it could be very much worth it to spend $50 more for one over the other

charred relic
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the capacitive stuff is supposed to be better i think

soft bloom
charred relic
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i can see where it would be more accuratly read

dire igloo
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Cuz there's also V and V Pro

charred relic
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I really like Keychron boards

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so far anyhow

twin dew
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And play with those black bars on sides.

dire igloo
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Keychron offer a level of quality above the big gamurrr brands while charging less, they're basically the entry to custom keebs

twin dew
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Or get some mod/tweaker to fix the issues, that exist for lot of games.

charred relic
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one big criteria is I want the 96% layout

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basically full layout but squished to be not much wider than a 10-keyless design

dire igloo
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Weirdo

dire igloo
soft bloom
charred relic
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I love that layout 😄

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This Luminkey98 could work, but it's more than I want to spend

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The layout def works for me, could be a little more compressed but whatever

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IT does have Jades though which is nice...

dire igloo
charred relic
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I dunno if I can pull the trigger on 240... migh as well call it 250 after shipped

dire igloo
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The nicest part of having VA is the high contrast and vibrant colors, putting some Twitch stream on my second monitor (VA) is quite nice for how much it "pops"

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For gaming tho, never gonna swap it with my IPS main

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And my main monitor ain't even that good, if you got smth like an R27qe, you'd have a better main than me

dire igloo
soft bloom
dire igloo
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Could also be that your new monitor happens to be one of the non-shitty ones

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You also gotta consider that the lower your fps is, the more things move between frames - so ghosting overshoot or smearing undershoot are more present

wanton orchid
twin dew
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Don't know.
But wasn't included in USB4 like the other two speeds.

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And the takeup on device side was minimal.

wanton orchid
wanton orchid
twin dew
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Yeah, forgot to include, meant with same frequency and latencies.

wanton orchid
twin dew
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USB4 should uses four channels, each at 20Gbit/s.

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Where that USB3 2x2 was two channels at 10Gbit/s each.

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And the other two are just one channel each.

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Ah, sorry, that 20Gbit/s each is only in the USB4 v2.

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No, sorry, two channels per direction, at that 20Gbit/s on USB4 v1...

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And then 40Gbit/s per channel on USB4 v2, with option for 2 and 2, or 3 and 1 in each direction.

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No.
I'm fucking this up this evening.
Too sleepy.

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Ah, sorry again, I did remember right, two RX, two TX pairs on USB-C...
Somehow misunderstood Wikipedia where they had weirdly put the different side pinouts in different tables.

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So USB-A 1/2 has one data pair that is used in both directions.
USB-A 3 has two data pairs, one in each direction.
USB-C has four high-speed data pairs, and one USB2 data pair.
And that USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 uses/used two pairs in each direction, when the Gen 2x1 (USB 3.1) and Gen 1x1 (USB 3.0) used just one pair in each direction.

wanton orchid
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yep

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afaik usb4 when facing a single pair mostly fallback to 3.2 not 2x2

twin dew
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Like I said, USB4 doesn't include that 2x2 at all.

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Sorry, "Depricated" wasn't exactly that in meaning.

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But that was what I meant with that, that the two x1 speeds were included as fallbacks in USB4, but not that 2x2.

wanton orchid
twin dew
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At different speed.

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Not compatible with USB3 2x2.

wanton orchid
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I see what you mean

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fallback directly to x1 speed

twin dew
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But seems I was wrong.

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Don't remember where I picked that up.
In the Wikipedia table it is there as USB 20Gbps still in USB4 v1.

wanton orchid
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but controler are free to still negotiate 2x2 I think

twin dew
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Lets see what other sources say...

wanton orchid
dapper schooner
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as far as I know controler support was experimental and for the p.c. only,is that still the case or did they change that with thiere latest patch?

wanton orchid
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because usb4 spec include all the alternate modes stuff

wanton orchid
twin dew
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Ah, yeah... USB4 Gen 2x1, USB4 Gen 2x2 and USB4 Gen 3x2.
So it was the USB3 Gen 1x1 that was dropped, but all the controllers still talk USB3 1x1?
And many don't or didn't support that USB4 Gen 2x2.

dapper schooner
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sorry thought this was the channel when I saw you talking about the controller

wanton orchid
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we are talking about hardware usb stuff

dapper schooner
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oh ok p.c. tech is also my thing so I understand

twin dew
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USB controller chips.

dapper schooner
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yes tech is amazing I know

twin dew
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The chips that are at each end of the link.

wanton orchid
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the conversation basically was about practical details of USB3.2 and USB4 specs, which are a mess

dapper schooner
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I haven't realy messed with those yet and hopefully they will have that worked out when and if I ever have to

wanton orchid
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it's been mulitple years now already though

dapper schooner
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what is the current os because I know if it's windows you can expect those problems?

wanton orchid
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it's not about OS here

dapper schooner
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well what type of system is running it then?

wanton orchid
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? I dont get what's your question
USB3.2 and USB4 are for a broad range of different devices

twin dew
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This is about what hardware supports.
Not about OS or drivers.

dapper schooner
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I mean what is the problem they are having is it a compatabillity issue or something else?

twin dew
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And what USB spec tells to support.

wanton orchid
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we are not talking troubleshooting

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we are talking the USB specs themselves

dapper schooner
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oh,ok,nvm then,carry on,lol

jagged snow
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Wow
Why so many commas?

wanton orchid
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mainly about what hardware channels are used by what USB standard name

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for instance Gen 2 2x2 use 2-2 channels

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but for USB4 we dont really know

dapper schooner
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so it's something in the programming then not matching up or am I missing something here?

wanton orchid
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appart from the fact maximum USB4 spec use all 2-2 channels

twin dew
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Just about hardware capabilities, and hardware standards specifications.

wanton orchid
dapper schooner
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oh well damn then why use them if so many problems and what are the alternatives?

twin dew
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What?

wanton orchid
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I swear it's been at least 3 bot flags for me

jagged snow
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This feels more like a language barrier

verbal raft
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relative perf : its dead

dapper schooner
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all i know is if you are having a problem with something wouldn't the fastest solution be to replace it?

jagged snow
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There is no problem

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They're just having a conversation about technical specifications for the USB standard

wanton orchid
jagged snow
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Nothing is broken

dapper schooner
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ok then that was my missunderstanding and please carry on again,lol

twin dew
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Except the USB forums naming/branding for the different speeds.

jagged snow
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Side note - I really love my yubikey

dapper schooner
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well that was more my point to Baldur

twin dew
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No it wasn't, in anything you wrote so far.

wanton orchid
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tldr:
what specific spec use what hardware channels
so we can better understand hardware compatibility and capabilities

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for any device

dapper schooner
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the point is what does it do and why the hell is it so important?not to sound like an ignoramous here?

wanton orchid
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it allows specific bandwidth and hardware capabilities

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especially all 2-2 technologies can NOT work with a x1 cable

dapper schooner
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I can see that as a given,yes

verbal raft
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8GB of VRAM is fine actually, trust

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wanton orchid
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so for instance : what cable spec force it to have 2-2 channels

dapper schooner
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so if it's more a bandwidth and usb wouldn't a wider bandwidth just sufice?

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for the cable I mean

wanton orchid
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depends what spec

dapper schooner
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I mean I can see it depending on the game or situation but also dependent on what the current machine can handle

twin dew
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Game?

wanton orchid
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lets say USB4 require 2-2, then if your cable is only x1
It will never run USB4

dapper schooner
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oh you are talking more game design?

twin dew
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No, we are talking about USB, the thing used to connect USB sticks etc.

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The protocol and spec etc.

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At hardware level

wanton orchid
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either it's alcohol, memory problems, or session refresh

dapper schooner
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i'm seeng the comparison in game speeds so is it more a graphics card?

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if it's about the system overall I get it

twin dew
dapper schooner
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I'm trying to figure it out maybee I am missunderstanding you

twin dew
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Where the hell have you got that "Game" from?
Or anything about GPUs?

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What is USB? Do you have any idea?

wanton orchid
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anyway :
USB4 20Gpbs : "guess if it's 2-2 or not, also we do not really define its capabilities TROLOLOLOLOLO"
fuck these scam

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waiting for USB 3.0 devices to re badged USB4 with this shit now

dapper schooner
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I' know what usb is you don't have to be a rude jerk about it

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I'm a certified p.c. tech damnit

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it's not my fault i cannot understand you

tall plaza
wanton orchid
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ddr4 or ddr5 ?

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the best you can do is to have the model number

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like MTA18ASF4G72AZ

dire igloo
wanton orchid
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Oh ok

dire igloo
pure karma
tall plaza
dire igloo
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Get 2x16

tall plaza
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i bought it like 2 years ago, and currently its 20€ cheaper than the 32GB version

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aight

dire igloo
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Don't mix RAM kits

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Can work, not guaranteed tho

tall plaza
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like with RAM ktis u mean the two i bought 2 years ago?

dire igloo
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And two separate RAM kits should not be mixed, that's a super common source for instability

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Cuz the manufacturer might've swapped the RAM chips on the inside - and even if they are the same model of chip, they can still not synergize

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So you sell the 2x8 kit you got rn (or keep it for spares), then you replace it with a 2x16gb kit

tall plaza
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alr alr

twin dew
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In G.Skills case, if the product code is exactly the same, the chips will be same.
They change that last part when chips change.

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But getting the exact same SKU is probably not possible anymore.
And the one that was linked might not be the one in the computer if the actual DIMMs or their SPD (if includes full code) wasn't checked

pure karma
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cpu are you on a drive to church GOOOOO

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its limited at 170W lmao

pallid oak
cyan crescent
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If i want to put a tracker in my own vehicle to track incase it gets stolen or whatever, how should i go about it? I thought about an airtag but those can be found due to give off a noise and apple letting you know its following you.

languid gulch
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apple isn't the only company that makes trackers

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and depending on how old the vehicle is, something like OnStar can be used in a more "quiet" way iirc to be a tracker

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the biggest issue with a tracker in a car is that unless the vehicle being stolen is worth more intact, the tracker gets found & disabled pretty quickly when the car's getting dissasembled for parts

cyan crescent
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Its a 2024 chevy colorado

languid gulch
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you're probably most at risk having the catalytic converter, hood, tailgate, & doors stolen than the entire car getting stolen tbh

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check with insurance, they might have some kind of coverage or discount for continuing to use OnStar as a tracker

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at least that way there's not a little box attached to the frame that someone can just yank off & ditch on the side of the road after stealing it

charred relic
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I wanted to play L.A. Noire again but man am I having sound problems

languid gulch
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just get new ears

charred relic
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i need new ears...

languid gulch
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one of mine's partially upgraded

charred relic
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need new liver more...

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or part of somebody elses...

languid gulch
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take a year off of sledgehammering it

charred relic
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livers are nuts

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shit it's never even been abused

languid gulch
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the way donated livers work is hilarious

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"sure you can do it, ONCE"

charred relic
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No you can do liver donation

languid gulch
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once

charred relic
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they just need part of it, both people heal

languid gulch
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your regrown liver isn't donatable after

charred relic
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the liver has an amazing ability to regenerate... unless it's scars it can't fix that

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So far nobody is offering so...

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🙂

languid gulch
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i would but i don't think anyone would take it

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mine has its own problems

charred relic
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Kidney is same only this is a much more major surgury

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I'm an organ donor but who wants any of this old shit now lol

pure karma
languid gulch
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lol nope

charred relic
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I've been a donor since I got my DL

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Never been a drinker

languid gulch
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opposite really. i've had 1 drink in the last 4 years

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just weird fattiness with it. throws out random enzymes that like to screw with test results

charred relic
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never been a hydrohead either eating 502835235mg of acetaminophen a day

languid gulch
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yea i'm on medications that it says "best not, but you can if you really want to". had a beer for st patrick's day & it was one of the worst stomachs i've had in years

charred relic
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I never even took over the counter pain meds much... I was shocked when my hep doc told me to use tylenol if i neede dsomething, when i asked

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that stuff is bad on the liver but only past about 2g/d

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In my case he said try to keep it to 1.5 or less if i can

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But i've taken 4 tylenol in the last 3 year sooooo

languid gulch
#

it's truly shocking how little medication mixing testing goes on

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lol i've taken 4 tylenol today just for my back 🤣

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i threw it out on tuesday, have barely walked since then

pure karma
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ehh i just raw dog it

charred relic
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I used to need stuff for my back from time to time, it's gotten better

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but i screwed my back up in my early 20's

languid gulch
#

same!

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blew out L3/4/5

charred relic
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I never even was seen... but I do know i had trouble getting up without passing out at first

languid gulch
#

oh yea that sounds familiar

charred relic
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then when i got home and went to sleep i woke up and had to crawl to the toilet to pee... in the tub since it's all i could get to

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lool

languid gulch
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yea i went from walking to wheelchair in 18hrs

charred relic
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i'd love to have a video of that pathetic scene

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"Oh god can i at least get it in the tub owwww yep yep ok right there"

languid gulch
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don't you love sneezing

charred relic
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i was seriously about ready to just give up and pee all over myself at that point

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right now my major problem is a pulled muscle at the bottom or my ribs.. or might have bruised it

languid gulch
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yeesh

charred relic
#

it's been days and i still can't swing garden tools

languid gulch
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how's deep breathing?

charred relic
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hurts mildly

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but that's because i agitated it earlier... trying to swing garden tools

pure karma
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breathing? whats that hehe

charred relic
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3rd swing with the pick and I was like yep that isn't working

pure karma
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thats when you get out the jackhammer and shake some sense back into it

charred relic
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bad timing too i have shit needs done out there

languid gulch
#

i'm tempted to buy an inversion table

charred relic
#

i need a tiller... can't afford all that

languid gulch
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atm tho i'm in so much pain that i can't tell when i'm hungry, so hopefully i'll be losing some weight with this

charred relic
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This Magical Crops MC mod is neat but when you add all the machines in this pack like the planter and harvester it ends up just as OP as the laser drills

languid gulch
#

lol

charred relic
#

more so really...since you control what resources are growing

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this would be super cool in a vanillaesque pack

languid gulch
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i still feel like a lot of potions in games should be classified as illicit drugs in those worlds 🤣

charred relic
#

Lets see I have 26k bronze essence in like 2 days.. takes 9 to make an ingot

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34k wither skeleton essence... 3 for bones, 9 for a head heh

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oh my bad a lowly 3157 wither essence... the 34k is coal 😄

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I knew I needed some wither skulls for some stuff so I fast tracked to these

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overkill?

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Because like... I'm gonna add at least 2 more levels heh

languid gulch
#

sadly i've never gotten much into minecraft

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i showed up kinda late to gaming

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plus up until i started building my own PCs my garbage tier laptops had 0 chance of running it 🤣

sharp oasis
languid gulch
#

is it the Su-35 that has backwards facing wingtip pylons?

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i remember one of them having a reverse wingtip mount. no idea if that would make it into a game tho

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also, from a parallel universe: F-15 Eagle with canards (retrofitted F-18 stabilators), built in 1980

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sharp oasis
sharp oasis
twin dew
#

And server kernel update last night had broken network adapter VF passthrough...
Tried to look at it for a moment, and then just rebooted to previous kernel.
Need to look at it more once I'm actually awake.

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And even on the old kernel, LibVirtD tries to start the VMs too early on bootup for some reason, need to fix that too in the SystemD unit dependancies.

soft bloom
#

Microplastics and Oxidative Stress—Current Problems and Prospects

mdpi.com/2076-3921/13/5/579

Microplastics contribute to various harmful effects, including lipid peroxidation, DNA damage, activation of mitogen-activated protein kinase pathways, cell membrane breakages, mitochondrial dysfunction, lysosomal defects, inflammation, and apoptosis. They affect cells, tissues, organs, and overall health, potentially contributing to conditions like cancer and cardiovascular disease. They pose a significant danger due to their widespread occurrence in food. In recent years, information has emerged indicating that MPs can cause oxidative stress (OS), a known factor in accelerating the aging of organisms. This comprehensive evaluation exposed notable variability in the reported connection between MPs and OS. This work aims to provide a critical review of whether the harmfulness of plastic particles that constitute environmental contaminants may result from OS through a comprehensive analysis of recent research and existing scientific literature, as well as an assessment of the characteristics of MPs causing OS.

charred relic
#

My grandmother hated all the plastics used for food products and such but for non scientific reasons. She worked at the Brockway Glass company in Muskogee her whole life and by the time she retired was already seeing jobs go poof.

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And the more that stuff is studied the nastier it seems to get.

visual tree
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I have a ladder like this an accidentally stepped on that rod in the back with my whole body weight

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charred relic
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that'll do it

visual tree
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Good thing I drink milk so I didn't break my foot though lol

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I hate those ladders

charred relic
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Funny thing about calcium... too much actually leeches more from bones :/

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Then again I don't drink much so whatever 😄

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I like the big fun one I use to get to the gutters or on the roof 😄

visual tree
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Guess my addiction started when I tried raw milk from a metal canister from parent's friends who have a farm with cows

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Can't be compared with the poison that's being sold in stores

charred relic
#

Milk used to get pushed here super hard but that's becuase the gooberment was subsidizing it at that time

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might still be not sure really

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Milk, it does the body good. they leave out the in moderation part

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which really is most foods, moderation

visual tree
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We have raw milk vending machines here. You can heat it if you are afraid of getting poisoned although I never got poisoned from drinking raw milk

charred relic
#

raw milk doesn't bother me personally, but i have family that were farmers

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When they say chicken and dumpliings, expect bones lol

#

THAT is country style

visual tree
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Only problem is that raw milk spoils after 2 or 3 days but that's totally normal

charred relic
#

And people here would hate that

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having to buy smaller more frequently

#

the normal pasteurized stuff i can handle, the ultra is just... no

visual tree
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There is also long-life milk but that's just a chemical product and tastes like shit compared to fresh milk/raw milk

charred relic
#

that's often used in those single serve chocolate milks etc

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it extends the shelf life to a ridiculous length given what milk is

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yeah

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i never ever buy those chocolate or strawberry milks they taste terrible because of thee milk

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"ultra pasteurized".... more like ultra shitty

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i man thing is raw milk might have some "nasties" in it, but while it's good enough to drink there is so little it's very unlikely to get you sick

visual tree
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My sister is lactose-intolerant and made me coffee with almond milk once. Almost choked on that lol

charred relic
#

your gut is a jungle of bacteria some of which are meant do deal with shit like that heh

visual tree
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It tasted like coffee with bleach instead of milk

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*not implying that I ever drank bleach 😅

charred relic
#

I want somebody to show me... where the teats are on an almond

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because i have so many questions... like how do they manipulate them if so small...

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are there professional almond milkers?

feral drift
#

In our day and age, there is no Professionals left.. Everyone is an Expert however..

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charred relic
#

that's another one

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it's like water...

visual tree
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If I drink fresh milk, I expect the one with milk fat hehe

charred relic
#

thin, no taste

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And again, shocker

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milk fat in moderation is totally ok lol

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although technically none of us should be drinking it

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name me one other mammal that not only consumes milk past a young aage but also seeks it out from an entirely different species heh

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pretty sure we're really not meant to drink it... but im going to have my milk and cereal

visual tree
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Same 🤣

charred relic
#

Besides if I never did anything I wasn't meant to I'd never have any fun at all :/

visual tree
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I can't believe it's hard finding a good whipped cream here for making homemade ice cream (we own a KitchenAid ice cream bowl)

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Most of whipped cream have reduced milk fat while for making ice cream you need one with higher milk fat percentage

charred relic
#

seems like it'd be around if you can get raw milk

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well it makes it tastier and creamier

feral drift
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I'm seeing it as we are evolving as a species..

There was a time without computers, cars, electricity, houses ect.

Homo sapiens have consumed milk from other species for at least 10.000 years.. I know the homo sapiens is 300.000 years old.. but still..

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Like many other things, we evolve to consume mercersphere :)

charred relic
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I've tried that argument with somebody hugely anti medicine lol

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he says it's not natural, i say it is and we have evolved to being able to do such things

feral drift
#

Yeah.. There is some "funny" takes regarding medicine..

charred relic
#

like extend life, heal various things...

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we evolved big enough brains to figure that out

#

seems like denying yourself reasonable medical care is actually denying evolution

feral drift
#

Now I'm living in Denmark.. And statistics say we are amongst the top ranked happiest people on earth...

But we are also amongst the top ranked peoples consuming anti-depressive medicine

charred relic
#

at some point there was likely a good reason people start consuming the milk from another animal

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likely desperation heh

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either way, we started doing it

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if you're starving you'll try to eat damn near anything...

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Including people, which has been proven multiple times in history lol

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I always tell vegans that in dire enough circumstances they become part of the menu...

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charred relic
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that plane crash where they had to eat some of the already dead... yeah id be ok with that to live

feral drift
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Not sure how I feel about that Jace emote in that context..

Somehow... It just fits

charred relic
#

they won't mind...

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i mean look i'd want them to do the same to me... fuck do what you gotta do to live heh

visual tree
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I got shocked recently when I learned that my coworker is pescatarian. First time I learned about that term

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He eats fish but won't eat meat like pork

feral drift
#

Googles pescatarian....

charred relic
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fish is a healthy protein tho so...

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i'd call it meat but whatever lol

visual tree
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He refused beef soup and then later ordered fish. Tbh, I was really confused because I though he was a vegetarian

feral drift
#

Imho.. People can be vegan, vegetarian, pescatarian.. I don't care.. As long as they shut their mouth about it, and let me go on my business, and let me eat my perfectly medium rare steak in peace..

charred relic
#

that's how i am

soft bloom
#

Microplastics role in cell migration and distribution during cancer cell division.
sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0045653524003564

Our study unveils the disturbing fact of the persistence and bioaccumulation of MNPs in colorectal cancer cell lines, key toxicological traits under REACH (Regulation concerning the Registration, Evaluation, Authorisation and Restriction of Chemicals). Our observations underscore the potential of MNPs as hidden catalysts for tumor progression, particularly through enhancing cell migration and possibly fueling metastasis - a finding that sheds light on a significant and previously underexplored area of concern.

charred relic
#

like look pal do i get all uppity about what's on YOUR plate?

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Weell there's a joke about knowing how to spot a vegan

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charred relic
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you won't have to they'll tell you within 2 seconds

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what gets me is trying to shame me from eating meat

visual tree
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I was like...just let me enjoy my soup....

charred relic
#

like wow really? what is this junior high?

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I have noticed they never want to dicusss all the field animals that are slaightered and go to waste :/

feral drift
feral drift
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soft bloom
charred relic
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no no

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io mean the ones in the fields killed by the farm equipment

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you knowe for those vegetarian plates...

visual tree
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I actually helped him translate some paragraph into croatian for the museum

charred relic
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those are 100% waste other than fertilizer

feral drift
#

Ahh well dont forget the 5 second rule 🤣

charred relic
#

you can't both say you care about animals and don't eat them and buy products from an industry that slays 10's of thousands of them

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PETA annoys me too

soft bloom
charred relic
#

yeah farming isn't as bloodless as some think

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PETA... they never seem to want to discuss their euthenasia rates... weird

soft bloom
#

ofcourse there are more synthetic ways to grow food.
that won't involve as much protection about everything living that isn't a plant, because they weren't there in the first place...

charred relic
#

i can't wait until im eating lab grown steaks mmmmmm

soft bloom
#

I am yet to find article about plastics in animal meat.
know about fish and some fruits though

soft bloom
#

essentially anything when there wasn't a land in the first place.

visual tree
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I wish we had star trek food replicators but that's probably not going to happen in the next 200 years

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If we don't kill ourselves by then

charred relic
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yeah we'll have the teleporters before that probably

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by at least a hundred years...

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maybe not though i guess in some ways they operate the same

soft bloom
charred relic
#

i mean the warp drive concept, as it turns out, isn't entirely out of the question

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it would just require insane amounts of energy

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and well they had anti matteer so...

soft bloom
#

what we need is just to learn a way to disassemble atoms into essential parts, store it, and assemble back

visual tree
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I wonder if star trek teleporters basically kill you and make anotheer copy of you like they describe the teleportation concept today

charred relic
#

no they just transfered

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the original you must die thing is how it would actualyl go down though

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scan you, recreate, verify, old you poof instantly

soft bloom
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but if you make it with wormhole then no need to die. just bend space-time...

charred relic
#

that's an odd concept... stepping in knowing you will... cease.. but kinda not

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like your memory will stop when you're scanned

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so... the other you just remembers popping up after being scanned

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dunno how i feel about... all that

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its you... but it's not... it's a copy

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I guess it's like remembering being awake before anesthesia and then suddenly waking up later after surgery but you remember lying on the table

charred relic
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and it doesn't matter somebody will destroy us all using that shit for evil to create armies of themselves that think like a hive mind :/

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that's what it'd be like... well for the new you

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I remember counting down but not exactly to which number when I had surgery 😅

charred relic
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i guess the death would be painless they'd probably just instantly atomized you

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i was laying there with the surgeon laghing once

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because i looked at him and go one doc...two doctors...three doc...four doccc zzzzz

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Lol

charred relic
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i remember he was laughing at me lol

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i stared from him to the person putting me out then boom that's all i remember

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i've actually had fent quite a few times in the last several years lol

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along with a bunch of other heavy shit

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ever watched tghose videos where those guys explain the cocktails and what each thing does?

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it's nuts...

visual tree
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Good thing I didn't

charred relic
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some of it is just to parlyze you basically

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so you can't involuntarily move during surgery

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that shit really is a science in itself. the combinations

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i lost track of how many times i got put under

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one time the girl was about to dose me the propofol which i recognized from the milky color and was like aaaan here comes the knockout blow

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and she goes 'yessir"

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Sometimes I am happy we have free public healthcare although wait lines are longer and the accommodation might not be as good as in private clinics.

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Coworker mentioned a story how her friend had heart issues and wanted to pay a lot of money to private clinic which told him he is probably going to need multiple heart surgeries just to milk money from him

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A doctor in public hospital immediately figured out what was causing the issue and fixed it without any surgery

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That private clinic is the reason I don't fully trust private healthcare. Sometimes it feels like doctors are salesmen and not actually doctors

charred relic
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not sure how much of that sort of thing goes or went on but ordering a lot of extra trivial tests was a trend

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because costs the patient little to nothing and lets them get paid from the insurance company, it's been a toxic relationship here for a long long loooong time

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charred relic
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Yeah see here the patient pays little out of pocket, sometimes nothing... so they are just milking the insurance companies

visual tree
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While in public hospitals they will immediately give you prescription so you can buy meds for an allergic reaction

charred relic
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also another big shift here that made things much worse is that once upon a time most hospitals here were non profit, now most are for profit with a board and shareholders etc etc so it's about money

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that was a very very bad shift when they started switching to for profits

visual tree
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Private hospitals/clinics here are a lottery. Some are expensive but will give you proper treatment while others are only interested in milking money from patients while they wellbeing is not a priority

charred relic
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im stuck paying a kings random for insurance and still an under a mountain of debt

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to the point i already know 100% i'll have to file chapter 7 once im done with all this

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i may or may not be planning out how to ummm conceal my assets heh

visual tree
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My lasik surgery was expensive since I opted for a version without any blade touching my eyes but the doctors did a great job and I have perfect vision 5 years later

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Got full points on eye exam when renewing driving license

charred relic
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i think that's pretty much all laser here, not sure really

visual tree
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I had -8 diopter on one eye and now both are almost zero

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Basically, blind as a bat lol

charred relic
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i dated a girl once that had a cat eye heh

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can't remember what that is called technically...

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basically one pupil runs downward some like a cats eye

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i guess it could be both, she was just one eye

visual tree
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Yeah, I think I heard about it

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Wearing glasses was annoying but at least it's not as bad as contact lenses

charred relic
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see i've been wearing glasses for a few years and now i want to try contacts

visual tree
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Tried contacts for few years and they are a nightmare

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Soft contacts might be comfortable but I was wearing gas permeable ones which are like hard contacts

charred relic
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ah yeah hard no on that

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... only time i do that is halloween full eye

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and those are really uncomfortable

visual tree
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If some random particle enters your eye, it's uncomfortable as hell

charred relic
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these damned eyes....

visual tree
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I would suggest sticking to glasses. Contacts are a hassle and I hate them from the bottom of my heart

charred relic
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my dad wore hard contacts for a long long time when i was young... remember as a kid him bitching when he'd drop one lol

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or get something in his eye...

visual tree
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Yeah, that's the main problem I had with hard contacts

charred relic
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i'll try them and see if im compatible i guess

visual tree
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You could try soft lenses but they are not as sharp as hard lenses afaik

charred relic
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i have special optics for working on electronics to be able to see better

visual tree
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Unless they made an advance in medicine where soft lenses have as sharp vision as hard lenses

charred relic
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but those magnify

visual tree
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Got any tips on soldering if you have hand tremor? 😅

charred relic
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heh

visual tree
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I have hand tremor from an accident on my 5th birthday

charred relic
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yeah i got nothing for that, without a fairly steady hand

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hard to solder much of anything really

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unless it's like big..really big

visual tree
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My biggest success was managing to assemble and solder a DIY gaming console

charred relic
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like to do small SMD mounting you really need a microscope

visual tree
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Bought this one and assembled it

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so you can imagine a little hand movement any direction and you're WAY off where you need to be

visual tree
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You basically get a box with electrical components and you have to assemble the console yourself (soldering iron included)

charred relic
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my issue is one of the meds i have to take kills my potassium levels which leads to cramping...sometimes in my hands if im working on a project

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forces me to just stop entirely

visual tree
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I can't do any tasks that require fine motor skills unfortunately without struggling

charred relic
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fortunately i still have that... i'd have to have to give up guitar

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*hate rather

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my finger dexterity is as good as it ever was, other than again i'll sometimes start to cramp in my hands when i play

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80% of my electronics projects are guitar related heh

visual tree
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I got hit by a drunk tractor driver as a kid. The tyre went over my legs, got hit in the head and ended up 7 days in comma so my motor skills are damaged

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Can't even catch a ball properly lol

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Not to mention hand tremor because of nerve damage

charred relic
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i hate drunk drivers... and in this instance i mean true hatred

visual tree
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My parents told me how the cops were arguing because one of them gave the driver only a small fine but I got over it tbh

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The past stays in the past

charred relic
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No room for fine with any of it for me...

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Yeah, today you would most likely end up with your license revoked and a huge fine

charred relic
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i lost somebody very very important to me to some drunk... kept tabs on that man too. Know what he did inside of a month of getting out?

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got drunk and killed himself wrapping his car around a tree

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saved me the fuckin trouble

visual tree
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Some people never learn

charred relic
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There are only two peoplke on earth i have had that level of hatred for... only one still lives

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if he prays he should pray i do not lose my sanity 🙂

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24 years later... i've known where that many is the whole time... the butcher has moved from state to state somehow still allowed to practice medicine

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The driver who hit me never visited me in hospital but perhaps he had too much guilt so I won't judge him even though I might be wrong

charred relic
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and i now why he's moved so much, everywhere he goes there are a string of people that got fucked up

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the drunk was never safe... the surgeon is safe unless i snap which honestly is unlikely

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I was mad at him until one person told me he might had so much guilt he had no courage to visit me

charred relic
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he's responsible for my current medical problems... btw 🙂

visual tree
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My mother is going to have knee problems for the rest of her life. She slipped on granite during rainy day and broke her kneecap. The doctor prescribed her wrong physical therapy and now she is suffering because of it

charred relic
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knees and back are the worst

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my mom had a knee replacement done a couple of years ago and asked me how strong i thought it was

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im like mom you could jump off the roof, land ont hat leg and yes every bone will be shatered... but that knee joint will work perfectly lol

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it's fuckin titanium

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like yeah you'll break every bone in your body before you destroy that knee

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I always though physical therapy is just a therapy but turns out the doctor needs to prescribe the correct therapy or else your bones won't heal properly

charred relic
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yeah if you are doing some messed up movement things can heal all wonky

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or not heal at all... or get worse

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not apples to apples but similar... like if you break your nose and don't get it set it'll heal all messed up

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that's some stuff youi don't wanna watch some of those cosmetic nose suirgeries

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they are in there with the mallet hammeing on a rod

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Mother had cervical cancer surgery 3 weeks ago but luckily, it's stage 1 and the surgeon found no cancer cells spreading to surrounding tissue so she will be fine

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She still feels bad from the anesthesia though

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I'm glad she most likely won't need chemotherapy because I heard people get really bad after that

charred relic
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chemo is brutal

languid gulch
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yea, there's one nicknamed Red Devil

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doxorubicin iirc

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it's still amazing to me that after decades, one of our most powerful treatments is "poison yourself and hope it kills the cancer before it kills you"

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Research progress on environmental exposure and human health effects of microplastics

hjkxyj.org.cn/en/article/id/f248c7b5-3275-4462-912a-85c71471bde3

The results showed that :(1) Humans can ingest microplastics through the digestive tract,respiratory tract,and skin contact,and oral ingestion is the most important exposure pathway. (2) Microplastics were detected in various tissues,organs,and metabolites of the human body,ranging from 0 to 134.3 per gram. (3) Animal experiments have shown that microplastics can accumulate in the heart,liver,spleen,lung,kidney,testis and other organs through blood circulation,causing an inflammatory response,oxidative stress,immune damage,flora disorder,metabolic disorders,and even produce intergenerational effects. (4) Cell experiments have shown that microplastics with small particle sizes can penetrate cell membranes and enter the cytoplasm,causing changes in cell morphology and function,resulting in decreased cell vitality,affecting cell growth and proliferation,and inducing ROS generation and even DNA damage and other cytotoxic effects. The toxicity of microplastics may be related to its type,particle size,concentration and type of test substance.

charred relic
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if you'd asked me in the late 80's i'd have thought cancer likely to be solved by 2025... guess not

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if nothing else i guess eventually nanites or something... who knows

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Although the thought of a self replicating nanite is fairly terrifying

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people think fighting off skynet type robots would be hard...

dire igloo
soft bloom
# dire igloo hehe... penetrate

yeah. if you look like this, cells your boddies are being fucked right now
most importantly - your brain. just hold on untill I find that one about psychological impact...

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remember, lore says it started as a toy

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Baymax

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Association between blood microplastic levels and severity of extracranial artery stenosis

sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0304389424027900

In this study, we revealed significantly higher levels of blood MPs in patients with ECAS compared to controls, and demonstrated a notable correlation between MPs concentrations and the severity of arterial stenosis. These findings offer preliminary evidence that MPs may be linked to the progression of atherosclerosis, suggesting that MPs could play a role in vascular disease development.

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The plastic brain: neurotoxicity of micro- and nanoplastics

particleandfibretoxicology.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12989-020-00358-y

Plastic particles can reach the systemic circulation and ultimately the brain via uptake through the gills, gut and possibly also the lungs or directly via the nasal cavity. Once in the brain, micro- and nanoplastics can induce oxidative stress, potentially resulting in cellular damage and neuroinflammation, which may ultimately increase onset and development of neurodevelopmental and/or neurodegenerative disorders. Micro- and nanoplastics in the brain can also results in inhibition of AChE and changes in neurotransmitter levels, which likely contribute to the observed behavioral changes. It should be noted though that most evidence is fragmentary and obtained from different, mainly aquatic species, highlighting the need for extensive systematic research to fully elucidate the neurotoxic potential of micro- and nanoplastics.

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Microplastics and Nanoplastics in Atheromas and Cardiovascular Events

https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2309822

A primary end-point event (nonfatal myocardial infarction, nonfatal stroke, or death from any cause), occurred in 8 of 107 patients (7.5%) in the group that did not have evidence of MNPs (2.2 events per 100 patient-years) and in 30 of 150 patients (20.0%) in the group that had evidence of MNPs (6.1 events per 100 patient-years) at 33.7±6.9 months. The incidence of individual components of the composite end point is shown in Table S2. Patients with MNPs in plaque had a higher risk of having a primary end-point event than patients with no evidence of MNPs (hazard ratio, 4.53; 95% confidence interval [CI], 2.00 to 10.27; P<0.001) (Figure 4), as shown by Cox regression analysis with adjustment for risk factors for cardiovascular disease (Table S3). The unadjusted hazard ratio was 2.84 (95% CI, 1.50 to 5.40; P=0.007). When the levels of MNPs were analyzed as a continuous variable, the results showed an association with the primary end point (Table S4).

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so bot is fine with nejm.org but doesn't like sciende direct? lol

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Yes, you found out that microplastics are bad for us, and they are everywhere now.

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Used to be or are used intentionally in some products, and are released with time from almost any plastic products.

soft bloom
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UV is bad. but question is how much.
smoking is bad - yet people smoke. alcohol is toxic - yet people drink.
drugs are bad - yet people get addicted.

question isn't in having the "bad" label, but in having enough data to make informed choice.

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Exposure to Polystyrene Microplastics Promotes the Progression of Cognitive Impairment in Alzheimer's Disease: Association with Induction of Microglial Pyroptosis

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37670159/

Our study found that PS [Polystyrene] aggravated neuroinflammation by inducing microglial pyroptosis, thereby promoting the progression of cognitive impairment in AD. This finding offers new support and reference for the induction of AD [Alzheimer's Disease] progression by environmental factors.

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Phthalates and attributable mortality: A population-based longitudinal cohort study and cost analysis

sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0269749121016031?via%3Dihub

In a nationally representative sample, phthalate exposures were associated with all-cause and cardiovascular mortality, with societal costs approximating $39 billion/year or more. While further studies are needed to corroborate observations and identify mechanisms, regulatory action is urgently needed.

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soft bloom
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making small change isn't "nothing"

it's the same problem that people faced before farming: how to know that your actions will have positive outcome
if hunt game you get reward quickly. if you gather plants you barely even did anything to get food.
but farming requires you believing (knowing) that from a tiny seed you will get a crop after many-many days.
Yes, it's not neccessarily you personally who grow roots, water it (rain) and so on. But without you planting seed in fertile soil - that seed might have gone to waist (as simple as ending up in overcrowded area).

So, perhaps one individual doesn't hold all the asnwers, but I don't want to be the one who didn't do enough.

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people normalize the consumption of alcohol and nicotine waaaay too much - but then treat "addiction" as a choice and something to be ashamed of

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addiction is an illness and addicted people need medical attention above everything else

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for once, if people realised that instead of political, economical, artificial problems that are just solved between humans by talking, we should focus on stuff that is slowly killing us from inside, making dumber, more psychotic... that would be hell of change. and it begins from simply shifting focus, changing topics to what affects all of us.

I will give example. 1 day before invasion, almost everyone was wearing masks. I remember because I tested for covid couple weeks before that. and in a couple of weeks, I didn't see any masks at all. no warnings. no news about how it would be taking more lives and we should invest more etc. it's like if covid ended. Because priorities changed. Make no mistakes, it didn't stop affecting people... (though number of peopel who were convinved they should give up because they had mortal virus dercease). But it shows that when priorities change, focus changes, topics discussed on kitchen changes, and the situation follows.

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social media is incredibly influential. but I don't mean press. I mean that individuals can use algorithms to spread ideas, slang, dance etc
there's planty of pseudoscience that gets carried this way. and politics. so what stops it from spreading any other topic?
nothing really (outside of cencorship...). just make engaging presentation and here you go - thousands of people at least heard that there's something wrong.

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technical stuff works there too. I don't remmber TikTok, but on YT shorts there's plenty of people talking hardware, software... even math

dire igloo
soft bloom
# dire igloo I love how you mentioned alcohol/nicotine separately from drugs and drinking/smo...

wouldn't go into many details, but...
people dirnk and smoke because that's what was advertised.
we want to be similar to those who we envy.
as long as there's an association that being cool, relaxed, wealthy, wanted, is also smoked and tipsy - people won't see any problem with these activities.
it also became somewhat of a ritual. a way to socialise. even though it realy shouldn't be...

dire igloo
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that's it, that's the answer

soft bloom
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social media platforms are companies. companies that want to and need to turn a profit.
their income primarily comes from user retention
so they taylor their algorithms to favor content that keeps users on the site

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there's a monetary incentive for platform owners to promote controversial posts

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it just completely neglects how much more hurdles there are

soft bloom
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learned helplesness

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you're basically asking the wrong question.
you want to know why people don't make positive or informative content - however it's very obvious that there are people that do exactly that.
so your question should become "why aren't these people as successful as others?"

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why does a Filip Zieba get more views than a Miniminuteman?

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if informative and positive content was the meta, content creators would automatically pivot towards that

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because they'd have monetary incentive to do so

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I remember that for a long time (maybe still today), reaction content on youtube had a much higher cpm than the content that was reacted to
so youtube monetarily discouraged original content

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different example: one guy made a video essay about the awful state of ads on youtube and that many of them violated the community guidelines.
that video was flagged for containing a guideline violation - the flagged segment was a clip taken from an ad on YouTube

dire igloo
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Also lot of "original educative content" gets either demonetized, age-gated, or otherwise lowered in rankings.
And also if you don't constantly post new videos, you get downranked etc.

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And long videos get downranked too etc.

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So to get visibility, you must post 5-20 min videos multiple times per week.

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youtube: make subsection of the platform specifically for kids
also youtube: completely gut content on the main platform for not being kid-friendly

soft bloom
twin dew
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By coming CEO of Alphabet?
By getting competitor off from the ground?

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the monetization system on YT is flawed. there's green, yellow and red - with the wording for yellow being along the lines of "generally fine but some advertisers may not like it" while in reality it's more like "you said a bad word once, you're a bad person, fuck you, no money for you, we hope you die lonely, you awful example of a human being"

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I have example of my friend who got to managment position and introduced full recycling, going as far as ensuring that recycling contractors actually don't burn the stuff they got.

dire igloo
# soft bloom oh you are terrible wrong. I didn't ask that. I am telling you that it's possibl...

you asked exactly that:

I mean that individuals can use algorithms to spread ideas, slang, dance etc
there's planty of pseudoscience that gets carried this way. and politics. so what stops it from spreading any other topic?
"what stops people from making different content?"
that's the wrong question. there are people that make the content you ask for. the question should be "why aren't these people more successful?"

you say that change is possible - HOW?

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there are 3 roads:
do nothing
use existing tools (including social media) to change the problem (insert anything)
idk yet how but change the way social media works

personally I don't think there's enough time to change social media, despite me wanting it to operate differently, yet I know that in it's current state it's enough to take second option

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oh btw don't forget goernments who force corporations to employ censorship

soft bloom
dire igloo
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welcome to modern day capitalism

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yeah how do you think she convinced boss to actually allocate resources for that side project that does nothing for business other then maybe some green reputation?
would you say coup, bribes, hypnosis?..
no, it's simple. she talked.
can you talk?

dire igloo
soft bloom
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that's what I meant. your friend was in a management position and only then could she make a difference

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twin dew
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On X, Elon the Free Speech Absolutist is downgrading and banning anything he doesn't like.
Only right-wing, pro-maga, pro-russia stuff is allowed to get visibility XD

dire igloo
# soft bloom question: why do they care about censorship at all?

using censorship by its actual definition: business. if you as a platform don't follow government decisions, that government can make you inaccessible to their people.
however, I am fairly certain that you define "censorship" far more broadly to include things like content moderation

dire igloo
soft bloom
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why do companies employ fancy overhyped ideas like green, crypto etc?
they are part of society that shares ideas. unless you don't have internet and live on island with population 1, you can impact every other person through the chain of connections.

dire igloo
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At a tiny fluid gathering, every water molecule was busy passing along a silent message—each push building waves of ideas—while the rock just sat there, never quite catching the nuance.

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and then the wave hit the rock, dispersed and look who's still there

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you really are delusional

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tell me what to do so I can have an actual measurable impact on the world

soft bloom
dire igloo
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people throw around censorship all the time for shit that ain't even censorship

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YouTube not promoting content because it's not advertiser-friendly? Censorship!
Germany making it illegal to promote the horrible acts from the 1940s? Censorship!
Musk banning the guy that tracked his private jet? Maybe censorship?

dire igloo
# soft bloom did you say that government is business because oligarchy?.. anyway, question im...

did you say that government is business because oligarchy?
you need to read my statement with the context of your question.

Why does a private company abide by government censorship? Because if they don't, that government will cut off their people from the platform.
And a whole nation of people being cut off from a social media platform means a loss of millions of customers - something that a business really has to question whether they can allow themselves to do it financially.

Best example: watch a corporation's social media accounts during pride month - their Arabic accounts often don't change to a rainbow logo

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the oligarchy example was a tangent rant, not related to the censorship part.
I just wanted to rant about Elon Musk being one of Trump's top advisors

soft bloom
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society is an ocean

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if you are a rock on the beach
yeah, you won't experience same pressure waves as water
but still your destiny is to be eroded by water, broken down, and grinded to sand

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why is it that often in culture rocks are not viewed as being alive, while water often associated with being alive, having its own spirit?

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perhaps because it's nature of life to communicate, change, adapt, find ways to spread.

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maybe rocks are super intelligent but simply choose to not do anything? we won't ever know

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anyway, I was interputed in the middle of sharing works done that showcase how plastics impact humans...
I am sure that with more of the picture revealed every capable person will find their own ways to do something about it.

drowsy coral
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Two chatgpts having an argument 😭

pure karma
soft bloom
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Bridging relevance between microplastics, human health and bone metabolism: Emerging threats and research directions
sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2590182624000365

Microplastics, as a novel type of pollutant, are ubiquitous worldwide, which may affect bone metabolism in various ways, including altering host dietary behaviors, re-shaping intestinal microenvironment, disrupting immune system, adjusting function of intestinal cell membrane, carrying pathogens, transporting chemical interferents, and generating cytotoxicity. Considering the enhancing use of plastics in human living and production environments, plastics might generate bioaccumulation in food chain, and directly or indirectly affect the bone health.

wanton orchid
# dire igloo people throw around censorship all the time for shit that ain't even censorship

Youtube for instance is doing shadobanning on words and taking over comments sections without complete management and/or decision from channels owner
as well as doing fake viewer and comment counts
it's literally lying about and screening the content without channel owner power, based on topic and words instead of simply cutting the channels founds
the paid "no ad" subscription is 4 times more expensive than what they makes off ads, and you still get some of the ads, so they really don't want to loose control over the content
they've been lying about their profitability multiple times
and they are known to work with gov not only about laws and management but also sharing whole dataset, and negotiating what content gets pressured
of course finding sources about that will always be tricky even though it's almost all official, it's the small lines with asterisks basically
censorship never have been a hard line and they are playing it like champs

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if you don't want straight censorship then use discord and twitch

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Twitter Instagram Facebook Google YouTube
are absolute shit rn

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(of course TikTok also but it's less defended)

maiden coyote
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Not really the conversation I was expecting to see here xD

dire igloo
loud moss
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Hey pioneers.... i play on geforce now but can not figure out how to change to the 1.1 experimental. I changed the option in Steam to experimental, then in Gforcenow I unsynced all my games , resynced all my games.. still it only loads 1.0.
Any help is appreciated

soft bloom
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The hidden threat: Unraveling the impact of microplastics on reproductive health

sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0048969724033242

This review emphasizes the global correlation between microplastics and subfertility, focusing on entry pathways and impacts on ecosystems. Research suggests that microplastics disrupt the neuroendocrine system, influencing sex hormone synthesis through the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal (HPG) axis. In the reproductive system, microplastics interfere with the blood-testis barrier, impairing spermatogenesis in males, and causing placental dysfunction, ovarian atrophy, endometrial hyperplasia, and fibrosis in females. Moreover, microplastics potentially affect offspring's lipid metabolism and reproductive functions. However, complex microplastic compositions and detection method limitations impede research progress. Mitigation strategies for reproductive effects, combined with addressing microplastic pollution through sustainable practices, are imperative. This review underscores the urgency of global initiatives and collaborative research to safeguard reproductive health amid escalating microplastic contamination.

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thats not good

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Spoiler: ||no real humans were used during the experiment.||

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Also, I don't think they though this one fully through. More like going from problem to problem ...

sand lynx
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i dont think they think very much things through

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dire igloo
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could try GeForce Now customer support

dire igloo
charred relic
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damnit where did they get that photo of my left testicle...

pure karma
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Whats up with this chat today man... tired_jace

orchid verge
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homelab upgrade part 1 complete.

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part 2 gets delivered tomorrow 😄

languid gulch
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got a dumb question

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languid gulch
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without getting stupidly fancy, is there a way to set up 2 PCs in different locations, on the same network, and give them both 2 monitors where the 2nd one is a "hey, take a look at this" from the other PC

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far enough apart that you couldn't just do a long HDMI cable from one pc to the other's 2nd monitor

pure karma
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same network no? unless by diffrent location you mean same house diffrent spot

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yea, same house, same network, but out of line of sight

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in that case abuse steam remote play to tab of of the game and then its just a regular remote desktop

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like i said, dumb question 🤣

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definitely not a normal circumstance

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use a game with some opening launcher optimally (something like beamNG) here that has a open folders to get free reign of the desktop

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what about a non-game

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then idk

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just sharing the desktop

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windows 11 pro desktop sharing probably

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would that work over the wireless network?

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🤷‍♂️ nerver worked enough for me to use it so no idea

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i feel like it's intentionally a pain in the ass because of how close it is to actual hacking 🤣

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well i mena it literally is

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just permitted hacking

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im using a exploit in steams streamign system to remotely acess my own shit

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not necessarily controlling the other pc, just viewing what's on the monitor

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if someone else does this they literally have acess to everything of mine that is not administrator prompt locked

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ok, next dumb question 🤣

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if i did something like setting up OBS on both, could i share both streams within the network?

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thats gonna be a baldur level question i think hehe

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🤣

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yea kinda figured

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hell it might be easiest to just get some really good quality long ass hdmi cables

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now the real challenge would be convincing them to accept a 2nd monitor 🤣

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it'd be for my parents. that way they wouldn't have to constantly play the "get out of my way so i can see what's on the screen" game

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plus i'm kinda tired of having 2 unused monitors in storage

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oh wait im a dumbass

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get a tv instead of a monitor

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use wireless display

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cast

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would there be any weird resolution conflicts with the monitors being 1440p?

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no the resolution is the highest it can with the network speed unless it has changed

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i do remember weirdness where some nvidia or AMD drivers would force all monitors to the lowest resolution. if i did it with the spare monitors i had, it'd bump their primary ones down to 1080p

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i wonder if it'd be the same with a cheapo 1080 tv

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war thunder player spotted

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thats just your average sparrow moment ngl

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It's a R27ER lmfao

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yeah thats really weird

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usually those things never miss

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The MiG-21 flew in the FOV of the seekerhead

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wait you said R-27ERS right

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Yeah

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those dont have their own radars right?

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They still have a transponder

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they have iog but they're not fox 3s

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And it reads whatever signal is greater

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Yee they are sarh

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But the signal on the MiG-21 as it crossed the seekerheads FOV was stronger then the mirage regardless of lock

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So it chases the mig21