off-topic-tech

[languid gulch]

what would be interesting if if they did the same charts with Radeon

[twin dew]

And Titans also had professional versions back then.
Those were what the die was actually made for, just reused on "gaming" card.

Basically Nvidia used to have professional cards, and gaming cards.
Then they added Prosumer card in between.
First as Titan branded ones, and now as X090 named card.

Where they use the biggest die for professional cards without the certified drivers.

And with less VRAM at this time etc.

[tribal kraken]

I've kinda lost belief in "certified drivers" with the work/quadro cards when using them with SolidWorks. With new SW releases there still can be graphical problems, and changes are that while you have to disable some graphical feature to get it work with, while gaming card works perfectly.

[twin dew]

Yeah, they are snake-oil.
But some places require that.

And they are always "This driver version with this software version".

[languid gulch]

i'd also love to see any evidence that nvidia would absorb losses or accept responsibility for a product that's flawed due to their GPU putting out a shit result

[tribal kraken]

For larger companies where desing computers are managed by IT deparment, they just use older versions which are known to work

[cyan crescent]

Anyone know the legality, even a little bit, about having a small screen on the back of my truck so that when someone is too close, it turns on saying something like “you are too close”

[languid gulch]

iirc it's illegal because it's a clear distraction to those on the road

[pure karma]

unless it reflects light (headlights) or is explicitely stated as not alowed i doubt it would be banned in any way

atleast in the states and canada

[languid gulch]

i think rolling text & then colors of emergency/police vehicles are banned

[pure karma]

well the text dosent have to be rolling

[languid gulch]

i know there's rules about screens that are ads

[pure karma]

its all in the art of driving a car so illegal the cops dont know what to even hit you with and just end up not bothering

[languid gulch]

the monty burns approach, i like it

[pure karma]

fun fact you dont need doors on your car for it to be legal

so have fun

[languid gulch]

oh you don't need a surprising amount of stuff

[pure karma]

all you need is a windsheild atleast one mirror proper lighting and blinkers right?

[languid gulch]

and bumpers

and registration iirc, for going onto 25mph+ streets

but also depending on the frame, all of the stuff required for it

like emissions testing

i'd love to see an american take a shitbox over to germany & see how far it'd get before it got stopped & impounded 🤣

[charred relic]

Some people might know me as... Keef Moon

[languid gulch]

(and yes, i say that as a former shitbox owner)

[charred relic]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-moon-creepy-gif-14222607

I've gotten to see more and more emissions related stuff added to car engines... and part of me will always hate every last bit of it

Makes them a fuckin nightmare to work on

[languid gulch]

it started off as a decent idea, then it went off a cliff

[charred relic]

old school engine I can rebuild it in a day or two heh

So from what aspect I always hated it because it got to where it was just too much work

[languid gulch]

i like the idea of the PCV valve & the cat, aaaaaaaand that's about it 🤣

[charred relic]

(and too many additional points of possible failure)

And not emissions but these folks that buy the used caddies and are in love with caddies

[languid gulch]

just about everything else is parasitic & dumb

[charred relic]

that's great... but ffs those things have a sensor for everything

i swear i think some of the sensors havce sensor sensors

so basically the FB group always has people trying to figure out WTF is wrong heh

[languid gulch]

hey i wouldn't mind a little LED on every electrical connection in a car to let you know if it's actually plugged in & working 🤣

[charred relic]

Some of the stuff is related to fuel efficiency too, with the emissions. So that's a plus at least

[languid gulch]

i solved all of it with 1 easy step, at least for me

[charred relic]

I loved my gas guzzling v8

[languid gulch]

my pickup was great when i needed it

any other time it was a nightmare

[charred relic]

I used to have a 79 Camero...

[languid gulch]

mine was a 66 chevy C20 with a 400 small block in i rebuilt myself

[charred relic]

The original idea was ditch that and get a 80 Z28 with the flip open air induction hood but I never got around to that part lol

[languid gulch]

my dad had a 71 Z28

[charred relic]

If you have the front in in good shape those things drive great oo

*front end

I'm at a point where if I'm going to buy an older car and rebuild the engine or something I need to do it soonish because I aint getting any younger

[languid gulch]

and there's 0 money in it

i did throw 4 wheel disc brakes on that thing, because 4 drums on a truck that weighs almost 4 tons empty scared the shit outta me

had a pine bed 😛 last of them

[languid gulch]

ok really dumb question

what kind of hardware would it take to run an mmo that would host max 4k

[jagged snow]

Depensd entirely on the server you're hosting

Could be anything from a modern but not uncommon 16 core desktop chip or a big epyc server or even multiple nodes if you're really ineffecient with it

[languid gulch]

is there anything incredibly at risk stability-wise by jumping from ancient hardware to newer?

[twin dew]

Pretty high chance to need Windows reinstall to not have weird issues.

[dire igloo]

"the long-term effects of South Korea's unprecedented fertility crisis"
aha - yes, very much not interested

[verbal raft]

30fps with FSR Q at 1080p ?????

[glossy glacier]

as i understand it its 1080@30 without upscaling and 4k@30 with

[verbal raft]

at the recomended yes
but at the minimum specs..........

[glossy glacier]

i interpret this as "performance quality preset" not "performance upscaleing preset"

[tribal kraken]

9950X3D "all core" workload. Sorry about finnish task manager

[twin dew]

Why would you use Finnish Windows?

[tribal kraken]

i dont really know. I'm used to it can dont really cause issues

[pure karma]

yea im kinda like that about my youtube

it always randomly reverts back to french and i nerver notice until someone points it out

[tribal kraken]

Yeah, maybe install english now and try it

[twin dew]

Fortunately trivial on Windows 10 and 11, if you don't have OEM Single Language, but any other license.

[tribal kraken]

I've used those 10€ ebay Win11 Pro licenses on all my PCs. Some could say its piratism support 🙄

[willow pike]

city of heroes homecoming does such numbers, and they tell you exactly what hardware they use and how much it costs, though coh was written in like 2003 so the code is ancient

their latest expenses were $5,154.00 for the previous month

[soft bloom]

Probably some tab opened with that language from which you source all the slactivity

[visual tree]

Damn, AdBlock doesn't work anymore on Firefox so I have to install uBlock origin

Which loads videos normally while in the past, I had long loading time with uBlock origin

Google is really going aggressive against ad blockers no matter the browser

[willow pike]

ublock origin on firefox is unbeatable

the us government is telling google to spin off chromium

(the CURRENT ADMINISTRATION hates Big Tech for a perceived liberal bias so that might actually still go through)

[visual tree]

Don't know why I had issues with uBlock origin on firefox in the past but now it's working fine (no longer have issues with long loading)

[willow pike]

this being the case I can see a spun off chromium suddenly supporting ad blockers again

[visual tree]

Hope uBlock origin works for some time on firefox and doesn't meet the same fate as on chrome...

[willow pike]

firefox has no plans to ditch NetRequest, the extension API that allows UBO to function

they also don't have enough of a market share to get away with ditching it

[visual tree]

I have an uncomfortable feeling Google is going to start banning accounts who use ad blockers soon but hope I am wrong...

[willow pike]

for any chromium browser you need to use for whatever reason, use ublock origin lite, which is not as powerful but still great

[willow pike]

nah they wanna make you pay, banned customers can't pay

plus, you can still use youtube when signed out, they're not gonna change that

neutering adblockers in chrome is their strategy to defeat them; they went to war with UBO and lost completely, so they now prevent adblockers from updating their own definitions at speed; instead they have to go through the chrome extension store approval process, which can take days or weeks, during which UBOL will be ineffective against youtube

meanwhile real UBO can update pretty much in real time

[visual tree]

Companies have been cracking down on ad blockers really hard in recent years

[willow pike]

it's been google's long term plan for like a decade

but with the US telling them to split off chromium, and the EU slamming them with the DMA/DSA, those days may be numbered

[willow pike]

until then firefox is going nowhere

[charred relic]

But... being evil is fun

lawful evil though, i do prefer order

[verbal raft]

and i prefer anarchy

[languid gulch]

yea what i was thinking of has code of similar age. mainly wondering if they ever released it as a "if your rig can handle running the entire thing on its own, sure, have at it" open source or something like GMod

or if the game officially goes under, but some people magically get ahold of the serverside software, what it'd take to run as private servers

[dire igloo]

as in absence of a centralized order or absence of any order?
(the latter of which not being actual anarchy but anomy)

[mental oriole]

I'm evil...

[charred relic]

27 everyone was nice. Gotta see em pay the price. See their bodies out on the ice. Take my time....

Yall don't know nothin bout all that

Been eyeballing that. Almost everything I want. HE switches, compact but still maintains the 10 key

It's a Keychron, I got one a few years back and it's been great especially considering it was one of the cheaper ones they sold

could use some new switches at this point since the most oft used blues are more like reds now lol

[dire igloo]

Gotta love Keychron

[charred relic]

Ya do you know about them more recently? Like do they still make solid products?

It's been a few years since I got mine, never know when things might change

[dire igloo]

Haven't heard about any decline in quality

If anything, their V Pro launch was another banging success

[charred relic]

Me either... which I guess is a good sign eh

I know Jay loves them... but I see why lol

I honestly, in a rare instance, felt like I got more than I paid for when I got it.

[dire igloo]

Keychron is in a good position where they are.
They offer you prebuild keyboards with most of the features of a custom built while only charging entry level

[charred relic]

Yeah I looked into putting one together myself but meh I already have enough projects and other things to do lol

[dire igloo]

And then you see all these gamurrrr brands and suddenly notice what a fuckin ripoff the big brand keyboard market is

[charred relic]

Plus I get locked by choice paralysis to a degree

[dire igloo]

My own custom keeb was built upon a Keychron v6

[charred relic]

I got a hyperx and it's been a problem since day 1 really

[dire igloo]

Not many ISO-layout boards with that degree of customizability

[charred relic]

im using it right now actually... the zero key is about done tho

..and I don't think they are swappable so yay... unless i wanna solder a switch in

[dire igloo]

I'm glad that I didn't go with Alloy Elite 2 but that I got my V6 and aftermarket pudding caps

[dire igloo]

That assumes that you can change the switches through soldering

[charred relic]

mine is an old Alloy FPS pro

[dire igloo]

Which isn't smth I'd take for granted

[charred relic]

Yeah if they are soldered in I could swap them

i just won't bother lol

I think when I order my keyboard from Keychron I'll order a new set of switches for my other one

Maybe some keycaps too...

[dire igloo]

What I mean is that the act of changing switches won't break smth else in the board and the switches themselves are standard shit

[charred relic]

Just go ahead and plan to drop 2 bills lol

[dire igloo]

Plus you don't fuck up some config ass shit with that soldering plan

[charred relic]

Unless it's some weird tight spot I can desolder and solder something in, just depends on the design

I'd be more worried about heat but I can compensate for that with flux

I need a hot air soldering station tbh... since I wanna do surface mount stuff anyhow

[dire igloo]

Only issues I've been having were

1. A broken switch (but since I'm using aftermarket ones, that ain't on Keychron)
2. "Frozen" inputs where a key is registered as staying pressed when it has been released - not conclusively troubleshooted yet, could very well be the KVM switch

[charred relic]

I gotta find out what my switch options are on my old uhh I think it's a K10 or something I'd have to look

[dire igloo]

But yeah, hotswap was definitely a bit of a ride compared to how custom keebs are supposed to behave

[charred relic]

Might order differenct switches for the new keyboard actually, the ones it comes with are middle ground for activation force

I kinda like a light touch, guess I should see if I like the ones it comes with if not swap em and have a spare set I guess

ya start end is 40/60 with the nebulas and 30/50 for the dawn

and I'd not like the aurora for sure

only way I want 50+ is maybe buckling spring lol

[dire igloo]

And then there's me rocking Durock T1

67g bottom out

[languid gulch]

AMATEURS

yours for only $822 USD

[charred relic]

n00b

[willow pike]

whipper snappers

[charred relic]

Yeah but... Unicomp now owns the design and tooling and still makes them (yes with buckling spring keyswitches)

The Mini M is actually kinda neat

[fiery shoal]

it got the squid game buttons

[languid gulch]

i feel like they stole the plans from a soviet nuclear facility keyboard

[charred relic]

i feel like they stole the plans for the death star

[languid gulch]

i said soviet nuclear facility already

[feral drift]

But, in reality.. Whats the difference between a death star, and a soviet nuclear facility? 🙈

[charred relic]

https://tenor.com/view/lupin-the-third-fujiko-mine-lupin-anime-couple-gif-17253551

Fun fact: A laserdisk video game was released in 1983 that used footage from Lupin III to create the game

...was good too, not surprising I guess since Stern made it

[dire igloo]

Replace diamond with X and you got shitty PlayStation pictograms

[languid gulch]

welp, time for new headphone ear pads i guess

picked them up & both fell off

their little plastic fabric wedge thingies that hold them in disintegrated

[twin dew]

Intel might have cancelled the higher end Battlemage die.

[pure karma]

I heard they canceled it completely but I haven’t researched for myself

[twin dew]

Middle Battlemage is out?

[glossy glacier]

ARC B850 since december

[pure karma]

Celestial and B7__

[verbal raft]

lol

[native mortar]

The new build/case, still some cleaning up to do but I’m happy with her.

[charred relic]

what case? looks similar to mine (Lian Li EVO 011 Vision)

[native mortar]

Very close! The Lian-Li O11D EVO RGB.

[charred relic]

Ah nice

Haven't seen that one with the LED's, pretty neat

I'm more into accent lighting like that than all over the fans and whatnot

[native mortar]

Yeah the LED strips are a snazzy touch! The case itself was a pleasure to build in.

[charred relic]

Oh hell yeah t here is tons of room on both sides

[native mortar]

I’m hoping I will continue to use it for many years.

[charred relic]

Used the GPU support that came with it, works great and you don't even notice it

[native mortar]

I decided I liked the one that came with my GPU haha.

[charred relic]

I usually use a case at least until I replace the PC... after that it depends

[native mortar]

I will hold onto the one that came with the case though.

[charred relic]

Yeah it's nothing fancy but it works and is kinda hidden

[native mortar]

I usually keep a case for two builds but this is my favourite case by far and I have trouble imagining what more I could want in a case until some new form-factor comes out.

[charred relic]

If the machine is still in decent working shape I'll usually repurpose the last PC into a server or something

I think the one this replaced just needs a PSU, I'll have to get one and try it to know for sure.

[native mortar]

I want to build a media server this year. Waiting until I move though.

Decent 10TB drives are about $300.

[visual tree]

Finally getting fiber by the end of summer (or sooner if I am lucky)

They will install a concrete manhole near my fence and the distribution cabinet is literally across the street

[native mortar]

At last! Haha

Fiber is fantastic.

[visual tree]

They were planning to run fiber through a wooden pole but there are issues with the crazy neighbour who probably won't allow ISP to do any construction on the pole (which is near neighbour's property)...

ISP wanted to install a cabinet near an apartment building recently and got the building permits from the city. However, crazy neighbour blocked the construction because the cabinet is "obstructing" balcony view and police was involved

[native mortar]

Oh bureaucracy.

[visual tree]

Technically, it's not the bureaucracy that was causing the problem. It's the neighbour pretending to be a "district wild west sheriff" 😛

[mental oriole]

Nice, more Lian Li 😄

[charred relic]

wild west sheriff eh

challenge them to a draw...

bet that yellabelly runs off then

[visual tree]

I really want to know for how much did ISP sue that neighbor for obstructing construction even though ISP had building permits and everything was done according to the construction laws

In short, that neighbor is screwed because she has no valid arguments which would help her in court

Saying the cabinet is obstructing the view from the balcony is not really a valid argument if you ask me. If that were the case, you could say people are not allowed to build houses nearby because you won't be able to see nature in the background

[pure karma]

i was literally just scrolling through that chaos a few days ago looking for one of hergs memes

[charred relic]

That is what you call... a Karen

[languid gulch]

dear god it's blocking the view of half a square meter of grass & sidewalk

[visual tree]

You should have seen people in a nearby village which was close to a city. Before covid, ISP wanted to run fiber in order to cover the village and villagers organized a protest claiming fiber optic cable emits radiation and warning that everyone will get cancer.

When covid happened and a lot of people worked from home, they complained about bad internet connection on copper and demanded fiber

It's funny how they completely forgot about the cancer thing when they are personally affected with bad internet connection

[charred relic]

Well... I had been considering a switch. Had been...

Nintendo has lose their collective minds heh

at 650 + any accessories I want + games... might as well just spend a little more and get a gaming laptop if i really want portable gaming

[languid gulch]

i mean, bottom end gaming laptops are about to be starting at $1200

[charred relic]

It is what it is

I'd be more interested in a Win based handheld gaming setup more

[charred relic]

New 4 stage RO filter system for this season 😄

[soft bloom]

I am thinking - how to remove microplastics where possibly

realization that there's practically no way to go around it in question of water

well, unless I live somewhere with an old well

[charred relic]

depends on size

RO gets pretty tiny

[soft bloom]

but it's all plastic, hehe

[charred relic]

The membrane is the last stage before the resin which isn't even usually used for drinking water

yeah i mean... i guess lol

well over 7 years of power on time

[languid gulch]

best i've got is 26200 hours

or does that count as worst

[charred relic]

I have a 90GB here I'll plug in some time to check, it'll be way past 67k hours probably

[languid gulch]

i wonder what the oldest drive still functioning is

something on Voyager maybe?

[tribal kraken]

I've pile of IDE drives somewhere, like 40 - 160GB sizes. Still in runnning condition when removed from the systems. No idea of hours on them

The parallel cabling for them would be pain when used to SATA 😄

[gilded helm]

Functioning after continuous use, or that's been stored cold?

[languid gulch]

both would be fun

cold storage drive would have its own separate issues

[tribal kraken]

Mine were in full use when removed, like 15-years ago when SSDs came to market. Stored in room temperature. No idea if they would work or not, maybe jsut throw them to electronic waste. But they might still have some my personal data

[languid gulch]

i have a super dumb question

i know that modern HDDs use helium inside so that they can spin faster

but

[twin dew]

Not spin faster.
Have more platters by making the read heads be closer to the platters.

[languid gulch]

could you take the platters from one, and just have it more or less open air, just really really slow reads in cases of recovery?

[twin dew]

For best recovery gear, you don't need to spin the platter at all.

So you can even read physically fragmented platters.

[languid gulch]

ok is there a video on that kind of thing, because that sounds amazing to me

[twin dew]

But your premise was false, as the point of the helium is to cram more platters into same space, from making less turbulence, so the read heads don't take as much space.

[languid gulch]

good point

so to read them do they have to be in a helium environment?

[twin dew]

If you want to use the normal read heads they come with etc.

[languid gulch]

i suspect doing it as recovery or to clone it to a fresh drive would involve a million dollar machine

[tribal kraken]

I think in addition to 13900K, I had only one hardware that have failed on me. It was a Samsung 160GB HDD, had bad sectors from factory. Fresh Windows install just froze on that. Printed out the diagnostics and went to the store with, and got replacement from the shelf. Funny thing that still remember that 😄

But helped diagnose/fixed a lot other people computers with failed HDD

Oh yeah and I do have one Samsung 960EVO 250GB that went to "read only" mode, but all data was recoverable

[twin dew]

One of my 1TB hard drives bricked because of firmware fault.
Had to update the firmware over serial port to unbrick, and upgrade the three other same model drives normally before they bricked too.

256 slot round robin storage for some firmware variable, and the firmware couldn't handle the case when the newest value was stored in last(?) slot when starting IIRC.

Or something similar, probably not that simple as the drive also had to have been running for long enough, so the problems started only after a year or more IIRC.

[tribal kraken]

Samsungs?

[twin dew]

Yeah, Samsung 1TB HD103SJ, type fault for those.

Or was it Samsung F1 and this one I have in my hand is something else?

Yeah, Samsung Spinpoint F1:s

IIRC

[tribal kraken]

980 Pros also had issues with firmware, more on 2TB than smaller ones. My 1TB was already with the fixed firmware when bought, no problems so far with it.

[twin dew]

This was HDD.

After Samsung sold their HDD division.

I mean after this fuckup happened.

In 2010 timeframe +- few years it seems?

Or was that on Seagate 7200.11?
Just cannot find the stuff anymore...

Ah, yeah, that was Seagate 7200.11, which is why I couldn't find it first.

[tribal kraken]

Have to say that hardware speed difference is noticeable when your welder friend can see it beetween PCIe 3.0 and 5.0 NVME drive on new PC. He came here to the office asking for dimensions that were not visible on paper drawings, so I opened the assembly in SolidWorks, and he just was confused how it opens it so fast compared to old PC. Was prepared to sit down and wait for a minute 😄

[twin dew]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/seagate-hard-drive-firmware-bricked,6889.html

Samsung F3 HDDs had major compatibility issues with various SATA chipsets.

The cause documented for that 7200.11 fuckup:
https://fillwithcoolblogname.blogspot.com/2011/02/fixing-seagate-720011-bsy-0-lba-fw-bug.html

And then seems that some people broke their controllers when trying to fix that by plugging direct to PC serial port, and feeding 12V to 3.3V TTL level input...

[twin dew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTXoUsdSAnA

[pure karma]

big shocker

anyway i have been in intel hell for the past two weeks trying to finish this stupid presentation ahhhhhhhHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[pure karma]

whoever removed the wifi speed limiter at my school i love you 🫡

begone 15mbps hell

[feral drift]

Could be worse.. Imagine if you payed over 3000 USD for a GPU.. And a Driver update would cause your card to crash when loading 5 year old game titels..

Or actually.. We don't need to imagine that picture..

Maybe the guy who vetted the Driver update, had a previous job at Crowdstrike.. But was let go from that position, due to performance issues at the job.. 🟦 💻 💀

[tribal kraken]

8 year old PUBG works just fine 😂. GPU side is fine, Gsync on/off, 1 or 2 monitors.. Only thing is that I'am yet not entirely sure if 9950X3D and game mode core parking works as expected.

[dire igloo]

Wasn't PUBG known to run like ass when it came out?

[tribal kraken]

Yeah it was bad, I think the graphics engine was mostly OK. More server and network lag

Thats how it looks in Ryzen Master ingame PUBG. Sometime few cores on the cacheless CCD1 go to "sleep" but 90% time they are active.

Power plan is balanced, just intalled latest AMD chipset

Alt+tab to dekstop puts load on the CCD1 and most of CCD0 goes to sleep

Performance is good thou

When in the PUBG game menu, limited to 60fps, all the CCD1 seems to go to sleep

[glossy glacier]

Complete fresh installed windows or upgrade on existing install? For mixes CCD CPUs a fresh install is best

[tribal kraken]

Fresh install with this hardware week ago

Or is it 2, time goes fast 😄

And the WIN11 media was created just before the install. First AMD chipset drivers were from Asus Motherboard support site but I've now reintalled them from AMD website.

As it before that shut down the wrong CCD 😢 🤦

I would really NOT want to go the Process Lasso route and set cores manually for each gam and application. Soo nice if it worked automatically

[twin dew]

Is the game marked as game in Game Bar?

[tribal kraken]

Yeah I think so. Tried both launching it from Steam or thru the game bar

Just notices that changing the Windows language still left the game bar to finnish 😄

[twin dew]

The Game bar settings button

Is there checkbox to mark the game as game, or not

[tribal kraken]

no option, that means it is regonized?

[twin dew]

Yes

[tribal kraken]

CIV7, Helldivers2, Eshrouded and Valheim from steam also detected correctly. Satisfactory from Epic needed to check the box

[twin dew]

And parks the wrong core?

[tribal kraken]

For Satisfactory it seems to run on correct CCD but the another one is active too

Like this. I'am at dediserver, busiest spot on my save at nuclear plant train station. 170 fps all smooth, but can it be better if only run on the 3D cache CCD active? Maybe I just force the game mode an see.

[pure karma]

well isent the other half running ocasionally normal tho?

the other side is meant to keep doing background stuff

like if it cant all be done on the performance CCD it floods over

[tribal kraken]

Im not sure, thats why doing little testing myself. I've remember reading some review, or Youtuber say that if the other CCD is active, it can have negative impact on the 3D cache CDD. But atleast for Satisfactory at 4K with 5090, no noticeable difference. Need to play more

[twin dew]

Might have been change from the original implementation, where the Windows was discouraged from trying to assign the game to the frequency-CCD by putting those cores into deep sleep.

Might be better implementation now where the core assignment is more intelligent.

[tribal kraken]

In my last pic the CCD1 (without cache) is doing lot more than backround stuff

But it works well enough, at least for this amount of testing. Will just play the games with all cores active, or just the 3D side active, and see how it feels and shows on FPS counters

[pure karma]

i have no idea how intensive your save is cause 170fps all smooth is empty save performance but if it is indeed not spilling then yea it just simply dosent recognise the game or know how to behave

[soft bloom]

I have exhaust fan in pc case that makes excessive wobbling noise for about a minute during bootup
it sort of goes away for a second if I 'hit gently' the outside perforated cage it is attached to
is it just a thing of low rotation speed or I should replace it before more damage is done?

[twin dew]

Probably bearing starting to go.

[soft bloom]

to be exact, after some time it's pretty much silent.

which is under 1 minute

[tribal kraken]

The save is about 350h. Save the day done. One Uranium fully utilized for the nuclear. Standing this spot or at the rail station runs 170fps

[pure karma]

is that with framegen on? if not than i need to get my grubby fingers on one of those

[tribal kraken]

Yeah its DLSS balanced. But without framen gen, only AA its around 130-140, just below monitor that Gsync activates

[pure karma]

hearing 100+fps after game completion feels so wrong

i get like 40fps on a good day

70fps PEAKS if i do every cpu optimization i possibly can to my save

[night girder]

Yeah this, had also once a fan that made some noise on boot. But went quiet after a while. The idiot I was, I didn't replace it. I don't know how long it lasted, but eventually, it "blew" up and shrapnelled my case. Nothing was damaged, but I found fan pieces all over the case. This was atlest 5-6 years ago by now.

[languid gulch]

i need a Baldur opinion on this

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1jtj162/radeon_rx_9070_becomes_radeon_rx_9070_xt_via_bios/

me no speaky german 🤣

[night girder]

Google translate?

[languid gulch]

sounds hilarious to me tho

[languid gulch]

i got a cookie popup that wouldn't translate so i didn't click on any of the options, couldn't get to the full article

[night girder]

The Asus Prime Radeon RX 9070 OC can be essentially converted into an Asus Prime Radeon RX 9070 XT OC using a BIOS flash, and also adopts its clock frequencies and power limits. The shader units, of course, cannot be reactivated.

The Asus Prime Radeon RX 9070 can now essentially be converted into an Asus Prime Radeon RX 9070 XT using a BIOS flash, and then also adopts its clock frequencies and power limits. The eight deactivated compute units of the Navi 48 XT and the missing 512 streaming multiprocessors cannot, of course, be reactivated, but this process is probably unique in its form and opens up entirely new possibilities for the first time.

[languid gulch]

for now

yea this pops up before i can read it

[night girder]

The fact that the Asus Prime Radeon RX 9070 OC, unlike the larger Asus Prime Radeon RX 9070 XT OC, only has to make do with two instead of three 8-pin connectors doesn't detract from the performance. A few other things are currently still under observation.

Why do I smell trouble in the water... (doubt that's a saying, but it is now)

[languid gulch]

🤣

mixed metaphor i think

blood in the water

[night girder]

People going to fuck up their GPU, then complain they don't know what happened.

[languid gulch]

yea i'd only try it with a dual bios

[night girder]

Currently, we still need to eliminate some minor instabilities in idle mode on the desktop, which are likely caused by the high core clock speed. More information will likely be available in the corresponding thread soon, and the PCGH editorial team will continue to keep a close eye on this exciting topic.

[languid gulch]

lol yea no shit

[night girder]

They know what they are doing ... right?

[languid gulch]

like how they put a Nissan Altima drivetrain into the Murano

shockingly, adding another half ton of mass burns out the transmission

[night girder]

I need Baldur for more context on this one.

How can a two 8 pin, perform, like the XT (which is a three 8 pin) and not cause issues? 😒

[languid gulch]

because the 8pin plugs are designed to handle 250% load

[night girder]

And if that works, why does the XT have 3x8 pin connection?

[languid gulch]

the 12VHPWR has fucked our perspective with a 10% margin. PCIe power cables are way overbuilt

[night girder]

Then why does XT not run on 2x 8 pins?

[languid gulch]

because it'd technically be over the limit

[night girder]

Regulations maybe?

[languid gulch]

it falls under the "just because you can, doesn't mean you should" standard

[night girder]

Fascinating story. I want to know how this is going to end.

[languid gulch]

it should be ok, but if you're using subpar cables, it might go poof

iirc Dawid tested it a few years ago

[night girder]

1. I wonder how Nvidia will react.
2. I wonder what Nvidia can do about it, if anything.
3. I wonder if there will be GPU's burning up soon or people going to buy normal version and flash XT bios on it. And thus safe money. And hurting Nvidia.

[languid gulch]

oh nvidia won't do a thing

they're off in their own little world

[night girder]

But, my 3rd point. It can hurt Nvidia's revenue? If word gets out, why pay extra for XT version? 😉

The article does mention that the normal version will never be the same as XT.

[languid gulch]

it's a problem of inertia

nvidia has 90% market share right now

[night girder]

Global market?

[languid gulch]

yup

[night girder]

That's a lot.

They gained a lot because of AI I think.

Maybe not gained, they become more dominant.

[languid gulch]

nvidia has a ton of big fat long-term contracts with retailers & prebuilt PCs that have to expire

and AMD has to put out a better product at a price tier plus get some of those contracts

look at how well ryzen has done since basically 2nd gen, & they're up to a whopping 24% market share vs intel

[twin dew]

Because that doesn't matter as long as the pins don't burn.
But as they said that they are unstable, means the binning was done right.

[languid gulch]

yea, so it's more like a shitty 9070XT than a boosted 9070

[twin dew]

And that chip they have on the card they flashed cannot do the higher frequency at same voltage as chip binned for 9070.

[night girder]

That doesn't answer why XT has 3 8 pins

[twin dew]

That is just VBIOS OC.

[twin dew]

Because to make card, you cannot count on more than 150W per 8-pin.

[night girder]

Either one is overengineered. Or one is performing above what it can handle.

[twin dew]

Even when it actually can do 300+W

Safety margin 😜

[night girder]

Yeah, Cuyar was correct.

[languid gulch]

304W board design, so it technically needs the 3rd PCIe 8pin

idk if that's a regulation or industry thing

[twin dew]

Nah, 2x 150W from connectors and 66W from PCIe slot.

With 2x 8-pin.

[languid gulch]

right, but they expect people to OC it, bumping it past the 375W

[night girder]

Even pulling 317W

[twin dew]

Just that the third connector doesn't cost much, and "looks" better.

Same as so many MB coming with two EPS-connectors now.

[night girder]

(screenshot is from article btw).

[languid gulch]

like how i drive my car in sport mode even though i'm not a lead foot. i just like not having to move the accelerator pedal that much 🤣

my 6600XT red devil has 8+6 pin even tho it's a 160W board

talk about overkill

[night girder]

Speaking of sport mode, someone told me that after you drive in sport mode, before turning off the car, you need to drive around in normal mode for a bit before turning off.

[languid gulch]

mine's electric so i don't have to care

[night girder]

BUT! They didn't explain why ...

[twin dew]

Only if turbo.

[night girder]

And honestly, I didn't believe em.

[languid gulch]

oil channels i assume

[twin dew]

Turbos need to let cool down with coolant and oil still circulating.

[night girder]

Because all sport mode does in my care, is change in higher gears.

[twin dew]

Or the bearings can fail much faster.

[night girder]

Ah, not gears. The word is slipping my mind.

[languid gulch]

CVT?

[night girder]

RPM!

[languid gulch]

oh

[jagged snow]

Changes shift points

[night girder]

Is that correct?

[languid gulch]

yea basically

[night girder]

rotations per minute.

[jagged snow]

Yep

[pure karma]

shifts later in the RPM range were the most power is made usually

[night girder]

Yeah, so that's all sport mode does afaik. (for my car that is).

[languid gulch]

yea, some will stiffen suspension

most just do drivetrain stuff tho

[night girder]

It's a country man 😉

Not really a sport car, don't know why it has a sport mode.

[languid gulch]

my car needs no suspension stiffening, it feels like a boulder going down the road

it's 15cm shorter than my last car, but 600kg heavier

[pure karma]

i am the complete oposite everything i drive i want a curve throttle or somethign alike

i cant stand driving anything were even the slightest throttle input jerks you back and forth constantly

[languid gulch]

i hate one pedal driving

i tried it & it felt like a forklift

[pure karma]

just dont use the brakes and then your good

[languid gulch]

useful for low speeds, but ew for cars

[night girder]

How does one pedal driving work? Where is the brake?

[languid gulch]

the second you lift your foot

it's braking

[night girder]

Do the brake lights also go on?

[languid gulch]

yup

[twin dew]

Just regenerative braking, not braking braking.

[languid gulch]

this is for an EV btw

[night girder]

Ah EV!

[twin dew]

But basically you adjust the speed directly with the throttle position.

Instead of asking for power or like.

[languid gulch]

yea you need a really stable foot for it

[twin dew]

Traditional ICE throttle just controls how much air the engine gets, in combination with the RPM it is at.
And then fuel is fed to suit that air amount.

So very "convoluted" feedback loop between the throttle position and engine power output.

[languid gulch]

lol

imagine cut corners on it

*lifts foot
*intake slams shut, engine suffocates & dies

[pure karma]

yep and thats how you end up with a car that dosent start or runs way too rich in the summer and makes way too much power in the winter because the air is way more dense

[night girder]

It would drive me crazy if I drive behind a vehicle and whenever they release the pedal the brake lights go on 🤣

[twin dew]

Which is what happens on carburettor if the idle is tuned way too low.

As in how much air the carburettor passes when no throttle input.

[languid gulch]

that's actually the main reason i don't do it. i could probably get used to the pedal, but i don't want to subject others to my brake lights spamming while i figure it out

[languid gulch]

i discovered fuel starvation on a carb truck when i went off roading for the first time & drove up past 45° incline

[night girder]

Am I the only one, who doesn't accelerate sometimes, and doesn't brake either? I just let the car slow down on the engine itself?

[languid gulch]

yup

it's called coasting

thankfully they added that into my car

[pure karma]

i almost exclusively do that

[night girder]

Yeah, I like to do it too. Braking is a waste of energy (of the car).

😄

[pure karma]

but then again most the things i drive dont have brakes anyway

[night girder]

Skateboard?

[pure karma]

you hit the brakes and either the brake lines aren't even fucking connected or they literally dont slow you down at all

[night girder]

Curious, is this happening within EU?

Because that sounds not lawful.

[pure karma]

no canada lol

[languid gulch]

this is mine. 2023 Bolt EUV (the long one)

sold in Europe as the Opel Ampera

[night girder]

@languid gulch The same color?

[languid gulch]

oh yes

white is almost a necessity when it can hit 50C outside

[pure karma]

im not even surprised

[night girder]

That makes sense.

[pure karma]

so many suv sales and suv's around in general now

[languid gulch]

it doesn't even count as an SUV in the US 🤣

i think they call it a subcompact SUV

[night girder]

Ok, what's the science behind colors and temperature? I know white* reflects heat. And black absorbs heat. But how can colors affect temperature?

[pure karma]

the cars around here can be sumerised as esentially 70% suv's 20% trucks 10% random other cars

[languid gulch]

literally that. reflecting heat away vs absorbing & hanging onto it, while more heat coming in makes it even hotter

[night girder]

If I paint my PC case and every part white, will it suddenly drop in temperature?

[night girder]

But what's the science behind. I need to look this up.

[languid gulch]

technically yes

[twin dew]

Not when internal heat.
But point was with sun caused heating.

[night girder]

Because color... is just a color... I understand materials holding energy.

[languid gulch]

also keeping it out of light will drop the temp by a bit

[pure karma]

yea but not by much obviously unless your bringing it outside and into the sunlight and stuff

[languid gulch]

it's not a gigantic difference when it comes to "normal nature stuff", but 10-15C inside the car is definitely noticeable

[twin dew]

Emissivity and reflectivity at specific wavelenghts of light.

[night girder]

I know it's from the outside, you can't reflect inside.

And if you would reflect inside a hardware component, you increasing temperature.

[twin dew]

How much is reflected of the energy incoming from sun as various types of light, and how much actually heats the body of the car.

[night girder]

Yes, but why? I am looking it up though.

[pure karma]

i have no idea but lighter colors reflect more of the light

[twin dew]

White is when all visible wavelenghts reflect.
Other colors are when some of them have been absorbed by the thing we see as some specific color.

[night girder]

Isn't white the combination of all wavelengths of colors? If that's so, you could say it's "saturated" and reflects.

While black is the absent of color, and has more room to absorb wavelengths.

[twin dew]

Yes, but with external illumination and color by reflection, that means all the various wavelengths got reflected equally.

And brighter white, more got reflected.

[night girder]

Sorry, for this side road. Haha, Cuyar was talking about his car 😄

[twin dew]

Different from emissive color.

[night girder]

Suddenly wanted to know the science behind it.

[twin dew]

Where the object is actually generating light.

And not just reflecting external light.

[night girder]

The bigger L lenses of Canon are white for that purpose.

Because you don't want your lens to absord too much heat.

Atleast that's what my teacher used to tell me. Maybe it's just a gimmick.

It would make sense to go for the bigger ones since they have more surface.

Oh shit, I was right.

No, the real reason for the white finish is in fact heat reflection. With super-telephoto lenses having such a long barrel, and therefore more surface area to absorb heat, painting the barrel white means there's less chance of thermal expansion.

[languid gulch]

it's ok 🤣 idc that much. i'd rather people learn things they wanna learn than chatter on about my car

[twin dew]

And on the other hand, if you want to EMIT as much heat out as you can, you use black.
But for that to work, that black object must be warmer than surroundings.

[night girder]

That's why they also wear black in hot countries that get ice cold at night.

[night girder]

What rims do you got on the car?

[languid gulch]

oh just the stock ones

[night girder]

Ah, I am a sucker for "cool" looking rims. It can really make a car.

[languid gulch]

i might swap out the tires because these just suuuuuuuuck

but not until they wear down more

16k on it so far, so a ways to go

[night girder]

Just go drift a bit on a parking lot 😛

[languid gulch]

i've never even floored it yet, i'm kinda scared to

it's not the most powerful car i've had, but definitey the highest power to weight

[night girder]

You don't need to floor it to drift haha

[languid gulch]

oh i know

[night girder]

But yeah, don't do anything stupid

[languid gulch]

idk if i could even put it sideways without it rolling

[night girder]

You should be fine ...

[languid gulch]

wet road maybe

i never had to care about any of that with my civic 🤣

[night girder]

I don't know, do modern cars often roll?

[languid gulch]

american ones yes

[night girder]

bad cars

[languid gulch]

yup

well, tall cars

i don't mind it too much, i have a bad back. getting into small cars hurts

[night girder]

I don't care if it's big or small, I just like fun cars 😄

[languid gulch]

this bolt is definitely the most fun car i've ever had

no transmission is hilarious on the road

if you need to pass someone, it'll accelerate at 70kph like it does at 0

[night girder]

But it doesn't sound to be very good in corners.

Or let me correct, fun in corners 😄

[languid gulch]

for an american car it's actually not bad

it's really heavy, but it's all low down

1800kg with me in it

[night girder]

I never drove a mustang car but I heard one thing about it. Not even sure if it's true. But mustangs should be good in going straight. And that's about it

And that's the most American car I can imagine

[languid gulch]

oh yea american muscle is all about straight lines

[night girder]

In need for speed, I always tried to make a mustang that could drift 😛

[languid gulch]

mustang, camaro, charger, all are ok straight line & absolute garbage in corners

it's doable, but you need as much done to the suspension as the rest of the car costs 🤣

[night girder]

What I enjoy most in a car is having both speed and agility (with safety always in mind).

[languid gulch]

100%

[night girder]

If a car lacks speed but is very agile, I don't find it very fun 😛

[languid gulch]

i love having the regen plus normal brakes, it's definitely nice when i need it

[night girder]

I just realize, speed is the wrong word.

[languid gulch]

acceleration?

[night girder]

I meant (horse) power or acceleration indeed.

[languid gulch]

yea when i'm at the lead on a light, i'm usually 100m out ahead of everyone else after about 5s just because of the torque

torque & no shifting

[night girder]

EV's are ahead on that.

Once was passenger with a Tesla S, thing lifts off.

[languid gulch]

you don't even really feel it once you get used to it

i had to drive my mom's car a couple months ago, & everything felt weird

[night girder]

For a while, I though I was going to miss the sound of an engine.

But I realized, that I never hear my engine because I always playing music 😄

So once EV is more matured, I don't mind getting one.

One thing I do hate sometimes is the fake grills.

[languid gulch]

i'm hoping we're in the 1900s-1930s experimentation with EVs, and the industry & regulators will finally get their heads out of their asses & standardize a bunch of stuff that's right now a bunch of wild west bullshit

[night girder]

I am mostly waiting for charing stations.

[languid gulch]

that too

[night girder]

And prices to settle down to see what's up.

[twin dew]

So you want EVs to die?

[night girder]

Because I want to see the prices by the time the world is mostly transfered to EV.

[languid gulch]

gas stations 100 years ago also had no standards kinda like now with charging stations

[languid gulch]

nah, i want some things to not be inconsistent, like how petrol cars had no agreement on shifters, starters, pedals, etc until they sat down & all agreed to the same thing

[night girder]

I assume charging is cheaper per KM than fossil fuel?

[languid gulch]

sorry, meant 1900s-1930s with petrol cars

[languid gulch]

by a lot. even if i charged from dead to full, 400km would cost about $20 at the most

[twin dew]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_electric_vehicle#1920s–1950s:_Dark_age_of_electric_vehicles

[night girder]

I think they are here to stay.

[languid gulch]

#off-topic-tech message

[night girder]

Just not sure in what capacity.

[languid gulch]

oh 100%, EVs aren't going away

[twin dew]

Yeah, but where my original comment came from :D

[languid gulch]

ah got it

yea they definitely died for a while

[night girder]

Dumb question, does the engine need cooling for an EV?

[languid gulch]

a bit

nowhere near as much as a gas engine tho

[twin dew]

Yes, same with battery.

[night girder]

Is that why they don't have grills on the front?

Because they just don't need that airflow?

[twin dew]

Yes, but also aerodynamics.
Most have active aero intakes.

[languid gulch]

it doesn't need a full fat traditional car radiator, more like what you see for a transmission

[twin dew]

Where they control with movable flaps how much cooling air is let in, as that makes the aerodynamic efficiency worse.

[languid gulch]

and cooling while charging can be as intensive as driving

[night girder]

Oh, the car needs active cooling while charging?

[languid gulch]

oh yes

[twin dew]

Or heating in some cases during winter.

[night girder]

So it consumes a bit of power to cool-down/heat-up while charging?

[languid gulch]

& the faster the charging, the more cooling is needed

[twin dew]

Battery must be kept in right temperature range to not lose capacity fast.

And at upper end you would get battery fire from the internal heat.

[languid gulch]

just like how your phone heats up when you do fast charging vs trickle charge

[night girder]

But, a phone cools down from itself right?

[languid gulch]

yea makes me wonder how BYD did that 1MW charge

[mental oriole]

@night girder somehow solved my fps drops. Updated system packages and added some steam launch args and played several hours without issues.

[night girder]

There are not vents are anything. What I was wondering, is that the car turns on cooling?

[mental oriole]

and rebar wasnt the issue.

[languid gulch]

yea, passive cooling on a phone is enough

[night girder]

Interesting.

[twin dew]

Some phones can throttle from excess heat, even in use.

[night girder]

So while the car is charging, it's also wasting a tiny bit of energy.

[languid gulch]

what's really dumb is that the heater (at least in my car), since it doesn't have a gas engine, uses the absolute ancient "heating coil with air blowing over it" as the cabin heater

massively wasteful

[night girder]

Glad to hear. Hope it stays stable for a while.

[mental oriole]

Yup. I sure hope so.

[night girder]

Yeah, there has to be trade-offs.

Must be fun times for car engineers.

[languid gulch]

thankfully i almost never have to need it

[night girder]

New challenges.

[twin dew]

Heat pumps cost more, have much more failure points, and only really work in specific temperature ranges, so for lowest temperatures, you need that direct electric heating anyways.

[languid gulch]

yea true

1 step short of "just start a fire, bro" though 🤣

[night girder]

Why do they all look so ... I don't know.

[languid gulch]

i figured out why

[night girder]

Not my thing. Especially the front.

I think it's the missing grill 🤣

[languid gulch]

i think it's a hark back

[night girder]

Or it's too futuristic?

Look at them all.

[languid gulch]

1969 Chevy Corvair. check out the front

[night girder]

It looks so weiiird.

[languid gulch]

was an air cooled rear engine

[night girder]

Maybe it's because I am focusing on it.

Like if I look at the back of the car and middle.

It's all 👍

[languid gulch]

fenders & hood look kinda like a corvette, and then.........wtf

[night girder]

But once I look at the front.

[languid gulch]

i know it can just be another body panel, but yea, give it some bling ffs

[night girder]

If only we could convert regular cars to electric. I don't want to drive a space car.

[languid gulch]

electricgt.com/

basically crate engine conversion kits

for old classics

[night girder]

Haha, was already looking up EV retro cars 🤣

[languid gulch]

i know Ford's been messing with doing mass conversions

since you can buy the electric Mustang's motors & battery separately

[night girder]

Thing is, I am not buying any American cars atm 😄

Too expensive. I have to stick with the local brands.

[languid gulch]

yea, talk about throwing a wrench

[night girder]

I hope BMW does something cool.

[languid gulch]

would be interesting to see if there's any mercedes/bmw/VW conversion kits for older models

range would suck, but hey, no gas needed

[night girder]

Or just make normal looking EV cars.

[languid gulch]

that would be nice

[night girder]

I don't know, it's probably a engineer thing like Baldur said. But they look ugly atm. Too futuristic.

[languid gulch]

or do a big fat rebate trading in a gas/diesel for an electric

[twin dew]

Aerodynamics to get the longest range is more important than looks in the end.

[night girder]

See 👆 Knew it.

[twin dew]

Currently.

[languid gulch]

what shocked me was that we're up to 8% EVs in the US

[twin dew]

Then on top of that base shape, designers do put some greebling.

[languid gulch]

i saw someone call the Bolt a jelly bean & i can't unsee that

[twin dew]

But the base shape differences are from going for aerodynamics over the conventional car shape.

But then doing it in SUV, which is opposite XD

[languid gulch]

yea i bet the new VW bus loses about 20% range with that front end on it. looks like you're pushing a barn door down the road

[night girder]

Do you think that 8% has big impact on electric consumption? And if so, what did they scale up? Green energy? Or classic?

[languid gulch]

our solar & wind has picked up a lot in the last few years

[night girder]

Because that's what I am mostly curious about. I am not a non believer. Just sometimes still a bit skeptical about certain things.

[night girder]

I really hope that's the case. Because if they open more coal plants ...

[languid gulch]

Texas of all places has a ton of wind

Iowa's going nuts with it too

[night girder]

Oh I forgot, I heard about that on a podcast.

They pumped a lot of money into it a while back.

[languid gulch]

we don't do too much offshore wind here (for now)

[night girder]

People protest against offshore here

Their argument; it ruins the view.

[languid gulch]

if they went onto the water

where it'd be in view

[night girder]

We do have some along the highways.

And in the fields of farmers 😄

[languid gulch]

i wouldn't mind seeing them myself, lets me know that we're not sucking down oil & chewing on coal

[night girder]

But in reality, we buy a big % of ⚡ from Germany each year.

And that's mostly coal.

[languid gulch]

my area has the biggest NPP in the US, so we're basically set for now

[night girder]

Still a long way to go.

[night girder]

NPP?

[languid gulch]

nuclear power plant

[night girder]

Ah, for the record.

I did "google"

It wasn't helpful 🤣

[languid gulch]

🤣

"nuclear PP" might have given some really wrong answers

[night girder]

I am not opposed to NPP as long as we keep transitioning to green energy.

[languid gulch]

i wanna see Thorium reactors now that we've solved the pipeline issues

[night girder]

We did what now?

[languid gulch]

yup

[night girder]

Meltdown risk; near zero.

Radioactive waste; minimal.

Damn, China nice one.

[languid gulch]

the main issue building it has been that the molten salt would eat through any pipes, we've apparently solved that in the last year

[night girder]

Yeah, China build one.

[languid gulch]

also with a thorium reactor none of the products can be made into a bomb

[night girder]

United States Researched thorium since the 1960s but abandoned for uranium

[languid gulch]

yup, we wanted nukes

and nukes

and more nukes

[night girder]

Can't you make thorium nukes?

[languid gulch]

nope

[night girder]

Ah, that's why it's so safe

[languid gulch]

best you can do is a halfway dirty bomb

thorium's just radioactive enough to heat up a bit, but can never hit criticality

[night girder]

We have to see what issues do arise from the new plant.

[languid gulch]

definitely

once they're up & running & stable, it'll also be one hell of a giveaway if you're wanting to build a nuclear weapon instead of just doing power generation

granted, uranium reactors can also be used to make stuff for nuclear medicine

& iirc thorium won't do that

but to me that's one of those things that can be negotiated & produced/managed at an international neutral location

[night girder]

Norway is also testing Thorium.

[charred relic]

notepad++ is awesome 😄

a reactor is only really gonna be a potential bad sign if it's the right kind of design, a breeder reactor

they produce, as a byproduct, plutonium atoms heh

Not really the best option these days as it's more complex and expensive and as it turns out there's plenty of uranium

Like or not, right now nuclear is the cleanest energy source

[night girder]

Thorium isn't uranium.

And it works differently. At first glance, has more potentional than uranium.

[charred relic]

and btw

nuclear is green energy.... outside of the mining which is used for any of those industries in some form it's only by product is heat and steam

three mile island was the last incident we had here and it was contained so... not to mention safety in that industry improves constantly so they're even safer now

Used to live near the Savannah River facility, honestly nobody there thought anything about it lol

Dad worked there for the GAO at the time, got a pretty neat tour although they wouldn't allow folks into the control room

It was... impressive

[languid gulch]

our wakeup call here was when some idiot in an ultralight decided to violate Palo Verde's airspace not too long after 9/11. F-16s scrambled & broke the sound barrier to get to him

[night girder]

when did that happen?

[charred relic]

BTW a Boyscout build a nuclear reactor once... for a badge...basically heh. Although realistically that dude was going to build one regardless... he had everything other than enough uranium, he needed more

he did have a neutron source to get things tarted so he was a hair away from a working (and very dangerous) reactor capable of criticality

oh and... it was a breeder type if i recall as well so yeah some kid making plutinium atoms doens't seem like a great strat

[languid gulch]

Jan. 30th, 2003
www.eastvalleytribune.com/news/palo-verde-nuclear-plant-threatened/article_5f1be2dc-c6de-5961-b81c-90b412ab6e09.html

"On Jan. 30, a small experimental airplane piloted by a photographer was able to fly directly up to the plant before being directed away."

[night girder]

Ah, can't read it.

[charred relic]

the thing is he could fly into the building and do nothing important heh

[night girder]

We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country belonging to the European Economic Area (EEA) including the EU which enforces the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and therefore access cannot be granted at this time.

[charred relic]

those buildings can take direct small arms fire...

[languid gulch]

"being directed away" involved F-16s out of Tucson ready to shoot it down 🤣

[night girder]

aka, we don't comply with the EU. 🖕

[charred relic]

Basically he would have done a bunch of money in superficial damage and... died

[night girder]

The reason I asked is, I've seen videos of interceptions on YT and it's pretty wild.

[languid gulch]

oh definitely, but it was not long after 9/11, and right as we were gearing up to invade Iraq. wasn't actually a threat but also what a moron

[charred relic]

I couldn't damage the SRS with a van full of small arms, nothing important anyhow I mean I could destroy some offices

[languid gulch]

just a photographer in a small plane, but also, what idiot decides to fly a plane near a nuclear plant in the US as if nothing's going to happen

[night girder]

I blame traffic control

[charred relic]

not sure what the regulations are on that but I'd imagine they are clear up to a certain altitude

just to keep air traffic out of the general area

[languid gulch]

yea, Palo Verde's far enough out to have its own airspace & be clear of Sky Harbor

[charred relic]

Like try traveling into an airports bravo zone without clearance you'll get chewed out and probably have to make a call when you land

[night girder]

I've seen a video of someone not complying with air traffic control, until some fighter jets showed up.

People do stupid stuff in the air.

[charred relic]

and if you don't respond and deviate you get the F-16 treatment lol

[languid gulch]

i have a hard time blaming anyone for it. we got to see 4 airliners turned into massive cruise missiles

[charred relic]

I'm guessing he didn't even have a radio

[night girder]

I don't understand, it must be a privilege to fly, why risk it by doing stupid shit.

[charred relic]

the ultralights i think you can just fly...

makes them popular for hobbiest types

[night girder]

I don't think that's allowed here.

[charred relic]

there are still rules regardless

[night girder]

afaik, we have strict rules.

[charred relic]

...and common sense like maybe I shouldn't fly too close to that nuclear site

[night girder]

or not fly in the presidents airspace.

because it was a shortcut

[charred relic]

I'd be steering AWAY from a nuclear site if i saw it heh

imagine a dogfight against a f-16 and an ultralight heh

they could just jet wash him down :/

[night girder]

It would make more sense to send a helicopter

[charred relic]

next minute you are face to face with an apache pilot

[night girder]

sending out F 16 is expensive.

[charred relic]

Just send up a WWI biplane

more than enough to get it done

[night girder]

or ground to air

What we need are supersonic drones.

Armed with missiles ofc.

[charred relic]

pew pew

[night girder]

imagine if you could use drones vs F - 16's. That would reshape the battlefield.

[languid gulch]

i mean, russia's kinda trying that rn. not going too well tho

[night girder]

Not a crazy idea. Not sure if it's a viable one though.

[pure karma]

isent that just essentially a fancy tracking missile

[night girder]

No, it's a drone

you could equip them with different weapons for different missions. And have the ability of speed. That would be cool.

[languid gulch]

those won't be a thing until supersonic fuel efficiency exists

[night girder]

The Lockheed D-21 is an American supersonic reconnaissance drone.

[languid gulch]

well yea, launched from a blackbird

[night girder]

Introduction date 1969
Retired 1971

🤣

[languid gulch]

"followed by at least four unsuccessful operational D-21 flights over China, before the program was canceled in 1971"

so not viable

[night girder]

But possible!

[languid gulch]

oh it's possible

i suspect that if the US found a need for it, we'd have one already

[charred relic]

im supersubsonic

[languid gulch]

plus the sonic boom would kinda give away a surveillance drone

[night girder]

since when do you need a need for it? 😄

Not if you launch from homefront or outside enemy territory.

[languid gulch]

90% of the time it's really just to scare the shit out of russia & china

[night girder]

You launch quick, slow down to be stealthy and then return.

[night girder]

Yeah, that used to be the case.

[languid gulch]

we probably have so many high resolution low altitude satellites that could do the exact same job that it's unnecessary

that's what killed off the blackbird

[night girder]

Yeah, but we've seen what drones are capable of now.

[languid gulch]

oh strike drones sure

[night girder]

There are even "water" drones and such.

Pretty sure they are looking to see what else they can do now with drones. 1971 was more than 50 years ago

[languid gulch]

yea, 1 step better than a missile or torpedo, now you can have a person controlling it instead of hoping for sensors to work

[night girder]

And like I said, you can equip drones with weapons.

And the drones return. Cost effective.

[languid gulch]

yea, russia still doesn't really have a direct response to the Sidewinder missile 🤣

[night girder]

And drones dropping nades into trenches or tanks is scary AF.

[languid gulch]

yup

and now they're showing off RPG drones

handling the recoil

[night girder]

Speaking of drones more general, our police force has special guns to shoot down drones.

it's just a big net they launch at it to capture it

[languid gulch]

check out the videos of japan's police drones that net & catch other drones

[night girder]

Exactly that.

[charred relic]

gotta catch em all

[night girder]

Oh wait, not drones. Just a gun.

[languid gulch]

if you want some batshit fun, check out Phoenix police car catchers

[night girder]

Japan has drones fighting drones????

South Park was right 😮

[languid gulch]

naturally they had to be first with it

[night girder]

was pretty funny episode.

[languid gulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv5BjCjNpYU

[night girder]

seems so much safer than a pitch maneuver or whatever it's called

[languid gulch]

pit

[night girder]

yeah that one, it has risks.

[languid gulch]

100%

too many deaths with it

plus it's a pain to do it right

do it wrong and both cars roll

[night girder]

spikes are pretty great too. Little tubes to let the air out of tires if they get stuck into them.

[languid gulch]

spikes are ok, but i like the grappler. less risk to others

[night girder]

Yeah even spikes has risks if they keep on driving, which a lot of them do ofc.

[languid gulch]

plus you have to set up the trap for it

[night girder]

I've seen so many videos mostly in the US.

[languid gulch]

yea we've done a ton of crazy shit in the past, this seems like one of the less crazy ideas we've fielded

[night girder]

it does happen here too, but we don't send out helicopters to film it

there is some footage of police car dashcam and chases. But it's rather rare.

[languid gulch]

we do it on a delay so that they don't get warnings as to what's going on

[night girder]

Yeah, but sending out helicopters to film it

That's wild.

[languid gulch]

they're in the air already

[night girder]

Good entertainment.

[languid gulch]

usually doing traffic or other local news stuff

[night girder]

Trust me, it's not a thing here.

[languid gulch]

i know 🤣 & LA is definitely the worst offender for it

[night girder]

But good content, so thank you for paying for it I guess

[languid gulch]

we had 2 collide a while ago on air, so we largely backed off of it

[night girder]

That sucks 😕

[languid gulch]

i remember it

[pure karma]

ahh yes my favourite the alternative bluescreen

[night girder]

Image if windows told you that.

[pure karma]

Well it just did

[night girder]

[languid gulch]

oh wow, crash was in 2007

2 competing news agencies had their own choppers up, circling, & neither saw the other until they hit

thankfully nobody on the ground was killed, but both crews were

[night girder]

That's rough ...

[languid gulch]

youtube has the video, but i'm not gonna link it here because you can hear the screams

[night girder]

I am good 😅

[languid gulch]

so yea, things obviously changed after that

i think we only do 1 news helicopter in the air now

[night girder]

Even with all regulations and rules (and technology), accidents in the air are still a thing.

[languid gulch]

yea, but it had gotten bad here, & we're not even LA. think we had 4 or 5 choppers at one point

[night girder]

Why is that even allowed?

[languid gulch]

no idea

they thought it was safe, until it wasn't

standard american logic there

[night girder]

learning the hard way. Let's hope there is a lesson learned here.

[languid gulch]

& i think it was the first time it had happened, at least with 2 news teams

[pure karma]

there was im prettysure now they all just colectevely agree to use whatever helicopter reaches first and then share the same footage

[languid gulch]

and i think they do shifts instead of having them all up in the air at the same time

[pure karma]

but i dont think theres a law so you do occasionally see multiple but there really shouldent be

[languid gulch]

i think channels 3/5/15 share a chopper now

"As of today, the five English-language commercial television stations in Phoenix share one helicopter under a pooling agreement, which is used by KTVK, KPHO, KNXV, KSAZ and KPNX."

In neither operation do pilots perform reporting duties.

[night girder]

Good. Sad it first had to come to this.

[languid gulch]

yea

and the pilots used to also be the reporter, with a camera operator on the side

so they were well known guys

they'd switch over to a camera looking at them in the helicopter when talking back to the studio

that's still done, but it's a dedicated reporter now

[pure karma]

no fuckign wonder my gpu has been dying ever since reinstalling windows

my drivers wiped and windows installed either ARC drivers or corupted nvidia ones from like september 2024

no wonder its been acting like a 6GB card

[languid gulch]

december 2024 is the latest nvidia driver they recommend because the newer ones are all fucked

[tribal kraken]

Whatsapp compressed this unreadable, but Helldivers2 core parking working correctly with whole CCD1 sleeping

[soft bloom]

Interesting how our local science method defenders and critiques would react to this
youtube.com/ watch?v=MLE-JrpnyyA
a reply to internal (guess from where?) document that allegedly 'debunks' rise of threat caused by climate

[charred relic]

Regarding thorium reactions... youtube.com/watch?v=FLF8AWH0fws

from a nuclear engineer...

long story short they really only use(d) it to create uranium for the primary reaction

So minimum you'd get uranium from the thorium which goes to the primary reactor where it gets used as fuel as well as producing plutonium

not sure if the thorium side can do fast breeding but yeah...

https://tenor.com/view/nuke-it-olliesblog-olliesblog-nuke-it-olliesblog-nuke-nuke-it-all-gif-1658290845776537730

[mental oriole]

Classic windows

[twin dew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVZ1lcw2bVU

[soft bloom]

sad how world news are us trade wars instead of climate
aka artifical and internal instead of natural and external
aka something we can talk about against something we should deal with

[dire igloo]

Trump: "there will be no cost increase for consumers"
Also Trump: "this is the formula we used to calculate it. As a weighted average, imported good will receive 41% tariffs."
The formula: "25% of all tariffs end up as a consumer-facing price increase"
Inevitable consequence: imported goods will (on average) see a price increase of 10.25%

https://youtu.be/j04IAbWCszg

[twin dew]

And that was just less complete take on the same thing?

And those inputs they put into the formula, like that, that only 25% of the tariff would end up in final price, and seller would take 75% of it as a hit...

But on the formula specifically:
Complete horseshit, and doesn't do what they say it does.
And the two "fixed" variables they put in it are just imagined and not based on any data.

[charred relic]

https://tenor.com/view/mind-maths-equation-numbers-trigonometry-gif-17061583

[twin dew]

Also that Trump admin removed all kinds of "Services" from the exports of US.

So anything digital etc. doesn't count at all.

[dire igloo]

Eh, what digital services would the US even have that they could export?
/s

[twin dew]

Or entertainment licenses, software licenses, support contracts, consulting etc.

"How to cut your export numbers in about half with this simple weird trick"

Includes any movies in movie theaters in other countries, any US shows or movies in TV etc.

[feral drift]

Could think of a few.. Ex. Adobe, Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Oracle, Multiplicable streaming platforms such as Netflix

[twin dew]

/s as in sarcasm

[feral drift]

Nevermind me, I didnt catch that part 😴

[dire igloo]

What's Netflix multiplied by Euler's Number?

[feral drift]

About tree fiddy

[pure karma]

my teachers are literaly a walking nvidia presentation

AI

[mental oriole]

Embrace ai slop.

Unless it's about ai in games, also known as agents.

[mental oriole]

No.

[visual tree]

omg omg omg ❤️ https://youtu.be/fnvke44Rps4?si=T0z3BW2QSkvy3E9G

Addicted to this series

[charred relic]

omg omg omg what is it...

[visual tree]

https://youtu.be/X6teBrGw_Ec?si=kat8Gzm60iF6fMmb

Forget nuclear bombs, pandemic or AI going rogue. The damn cats are pulling all the strings and enslaved the humans

Giving cats opposable thumbs is worse than building skynet

[languid gulch]

lol just took the top filter off my case & it cooled down by 5C all around

might have to start underclocking my cpu & gpu

33C outside already

gonna be a toasty summer

[dapper schooner]

https://youtu.be/IdA_fLC7WIQ some cats do have thumbs though they are not opossable

[languid gulch]

big cats tend to have a clawed digit in a spot where a thumb would go, and they use it to trip prey they're pursuing

[dapper schooner]

that seems to make sense like a raptors claw used to rip appart thiere prey

[languid gulch]

they can concentrate on the other 4 landing properly when running

[dapper schooner]

i've always had a profound respect for the bigger cats for thiere versitillity and understand how that campassion can lead someone to owning a housecat,my mother however can't have them chewing on her breathing tubes,it's the only reason we don't have one

[languid gulch]

oh yea as a cat owner they're 100% assholes

[dapper schooner]

exactly lol

[languid gulch]

they can definitely be nice, but if they were any bigger they'd really try to eat you

[dapper schooner]

and normaly it would even be ok if they didn't chew through them faster then we could replace them and that was with spraying a deterent on thiere they just seemed to chew through it faster,lol

[languid gulch]

must be some tasty plastic

actually i wonder if they interpret it as a snake attacking someone they like

[dapper schooner]

i,dunno but thiere was a video with a kitten and a venomous snake and how they can dodge it and counter attack it,from what i heard it was actualy pretty amazing

[languid gulch]

or maybe it's just really overcooked pasta to them

[dapper schooner]

lol GARFIELD!!!

won't even do memes anymore wow

[languid gulch]

gotta do gifs

it'll do direct uploads, just not links

[dapper schooner]

is that what it is?seems like they are changing the rules for online everytime you turn around these days

[dapper schooner]

https://media2.giphy.com/media/119i1S64KnIhyM/200.webp?cid=790b7611j8p7v00qcfjynrh101b4wgi31g32eey89l9ekfhv&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200.webp&ct=g

if only i'd been more direct sooner,lol

please someone give that man some asprin

[languid gulch]

🤣

"that man"

[dapper schooner]

who is that?

[dapper schooner]

is that supposed to be you?

[languid gulch]

lol no

it's Adam Savage from Mythbusters

[dapper schooner]

oh sorry never watched that show

[languid gulch]

he's gigantic in the propmaking industry

he resurrected R2D2 for the 2nd trilogy

(it's a prop maul in that gif btw)

[dapper schooner]

it's not to say I've never heard of him just been too wrapped up in my own modpack development to realy pay any attention to much else

[languid gulch]

https://www.youtube.com/@tested

[dapper schooner]

one thing some game designers will never get is if you don't take the time to try and play your own game how can you expect it to be any good or even expect others to like it?that's why to me designing a game sould be just as fun and lucrative as actualy playing the game for yourself

[languid gulch]

yea i'm in physical pain whenever i see the devs for my mmo play the game

but they're also legendary for their incompetence

[dapper schooner]

that's what i'm saying though unless you try it for yourself how do you realy know if it's any good?you sould equaly be able to play what you also create

[languid gulch]

yea i've never seen them do that. best i've seen from them is running around in a single room slowly dying

and yea, i don't ask too much out of them, but being able to operate in the environments thye construct is one of them

[dapper schooner]

lol well some day you may be doing more it just depends on the direction you take now learning coding is one thing but also knowing where and when to apply it is another,and i am by no means an actual game designer but what i have learned from building my modpack is it takes a community to make anything worthwhile happen so you will always have to remember that for your fans and fellow beta testers

[languid gulch]

oh definitely

which is why it's so sad to see

it's also why i suspect it's a spite product designed to lock up the IP from being used anywhere else, & keep the quality garbage until it's truly worthless

[dapper schooner]

but you see it more and more when they develop so many mindless shooters with no real direction to go,i mean any idiot can pick up a gun and shoot it but to create something that is worthwhile,that's where the real skills lie

[languid gulch]

yea, too many of them fail at the basics

nobody's willing to invest in the long-term viability, just the instant payout

[dapper schooner]

and that's just it too many remain short sighted just on market investments and not the true entertainment value that the fans are paying for unless they have to buy additional dlc wich just becomes rediculous

[languid gulch]

and i know that people will judge a new game that's still being developed vs a similar game that's been out for years, has a reputation, and has had more years to add in more stuff

i suspect that it's just fear driving both sides. devs afraid to not put out enough stuff, customers afraid to invest into something long term if it's not a good game