off-topic-tech

[tough owl]

Walmart has a few 🤷‍♂️

[dire igloo]

Except it's absolutely loaded terminology: "army of influencers", "godsend for PC gamers"
So not even that is true because it's using bad faith rhetoric. You can't just reduce it to the raw information

[wanton orchid]

sounds like you are confusing system target and user target

real life batteries don't have percentage
so saying system use "only 90%" is at best bad wording
now user target settings is actual 80% of what the system estimates
it's so the user get more involved in battery life management and in turn can better use the battery for conditionally more capacity AND more life

you can say that if you set 80% limit on user battery target, the 100% system target is higher
than if you set 100% user target (in which case 100% system target must be restrictive to retain battery life)

[languid gulch]

i'd kinda like it if they just start "lying" about phone battery charge state like they do with cars. display a true 80% as 100%, true 20% as 0%

or at least have a setting to enable that kind of display. for some reason i hate seeing my charge stopping at 80%

yea, i'd rather it lie to me

although what would be better would be to bring back swappable batteries

they're pushing for user-replaceable by 2027

but still the garbage way of disassembling it qualifies

i miss popping open a case & just yanking it out

also they claimed that most of those changes were for water resistance rating, which i've never believed

i kinda wish that regulators would hammer down on companies' lies about why they do things. sure, it might get it the rating, but it being significantly cheaper is the main reason

and i remember other phones getting the same rating while having replaceable batteries

at one point i got me & my dad the same wireless keyboard because they were on sale, & when i opened them up, one had swappable batteries & the others were soldered. literally no other difference

[twin dew]

Harder to do, and easier for the user/owner to make not water-resistant.

[tribal kraken]

That one is my mothers cat I look after when they are away. Also a dog too, but usually they are able to take the dog with them. But for that young cat that can get some of the food outside in summertime, like mouses and small birds the food is ~200€/year. For older cat if you want to take them to Vet, it can reach GPU levels easily 😄

[verbal raft]

i made a decision that wasnt in my best interest ?
not my fault. blame company

[verbal raft]

i bet the 7800 XT took his money straight out of his bank account

[twin dew]

And what was his problem with it and what he thought he should have bought?

[verbal raft]

he just really hates FSR

and that made him hate everything AMD
even RYZEN.

and he thinks he should have bought the 4070 instead

[verbal raft]

and AMD RT perf too

[verbal raft]

(to an unhealthy degree)

[sand saddle]

Honestly just don’t buy radeon for RT

Tho ig the new shit is kinda promising like the 9070 XT

[jagged snow]

Its gone from "avoid Radeon if you play a significant amount of RTX titles" to "RTX is fine/passable but it's just not a selling point"

[verbal raft]

well
if you want to do PT you still NEED an NVIDIA card.

[jagged snow]

Yes but we were'nt talking about path tracing

[verbal raft]

so RTX just means the overall NVIDIA feature set ?

[flint plume]

Yh RT is Raytracing and X dunno what it means

[twin dew]

RTX is just branding that doesn't really mean anything.

Like GTX before it.

[jagged snow]

Yeah, when I weas saying rtx I specifically meant rt there

[twin dew]

GTX might originally been imagined as something like "Graphics Tech eXtreme"

[verbal raft]

well
regular RT is still a selling point for RT enthusiasts

AMD is still a bit slower

(like one tier behind at each tier so far)

[jagged snow]

As I said

It's not a selling point for amd, but it's also much less of a reason to just straight up not buy their stuff

[glossy glacier]

GT: Giga Texels
GTX: GT eXtrem
RTX: Ray Tracing eXtrem

aka:
GT meant something
add X to make it sound cooler
change the G to an R because we now can trace rays

[twin dew]

And probably marketer inventing that change from GTX to RTX had no idea anymore where that GTX came from.

[sharp oasis]

Other then the 9070XT

9070XT is almost parity for RT with the competing gpus of it's tier

[pure karma]

[verbal raft]

well
it has awfull performance in Wukong and Indiana jones in PT

[sharp oasis]

To be fair those games SUCK for optimization

[pure karma]

there making gains in RT not PT

[sharp oasis]

But cyberpunk PT

[verbal raft]

in RT its essentially a 4070 Super.

[sharp oasis]

Basically competing as intended

[verbal raft]

first time i ever heard someone call indiana jones and the great circle unoptimized.

[sharp oasis]

The xt was kinda meant to compete with the 5070

/5070ti

5070 is basically a 4070s

[pure karma]

its worse

😂

[sharp oasis]

And it's not too far off the 5070ti in rt but falls a bit behind in pt

But give the 9070xt an undervolt and you can basically have a 5080 level pref

[verbal raft]

PT has an NVIDIA SDK ONLY
so i am sus there might be some backroom dealings there to make Intel and AMD GPU's suck at Pt

[verbal raft]

-by 1%
so its the same : )

[pure karma]

its still worst lol

[verbal raft]

true.

[sharp oasis]

Tho amd's 3rd Gen RT is very very good

It's still in the shader pipeline but it's basically huffing crack. And really really kicks ass

[wanton orchid]

I think the main reason is security, both for and against the user
for the user because they can't put bad modules in, frying their phones or spying on them, or worth
against the user because then you basically CAN NOT DISABLE a phone, it's permanently powered and listening, it's a big brother asset
for the user because you will not complain about data corruption after removing battery for a week or more

[twin dew]

Nah, just about making as slim product as possible for as cheap as possible.

[wanton orchid]

I'm tired of the arguments "people are stupid that's why"
"no it's the gov is evil"

like
grow up please
people are stupid AND the gov is evil basically

[wanton orchid]

do you claim all the features I explained are not factual ?
ok for making device slim cheaper but it's not really removing the other points

i.e there is a whole bunch of issues for everyone with swappable batteries
so manufacturers just don't give a shit
it will take a long way to get swapable back (and I do want it too)

[twin dew]

Removing power for a time will not cause data corruption as first point.
Unless it is years. And the same thing will happen with most things over those long durations even if powered on if not intentionally scrubbing.

The always listening doesn't hold water either.
Because when you turn at least most phones off, only thing they will keep powered on is the power button circuit.

User modding phones doesn't really hold water because you can still disassemble the phone and do that anyways, just needs tiny bit more skill, mostly more annoying than secure.

[wanton orchid]

it's not only powering the power button mostly rn
it's at least also powering rtc and stuff
phones are designed to respond to pings
this also go along very deep sleep states which still respond to pings
(and I'm not really complaining about it, it is useful for lot of stuff like emergencies reporting etc..)

[twin dew]

Any proof on that, that turned off phones respond to anything?
Because that would just kill the battery life when off compared to reality.

[wanton orchid]

gms gps circuitry are listening on few mA
Qualcomm voice wake up modules listen with only few mA
not everything have to sink huge amount of power rn
radio beacons can lives for years with small batteries too
it's not going to allow any kind of very complex messaging but it can get pinged

this is obviously also an asset for corp agencies or both
it's a low power computing network at least

[twin dew]

And again, do you have any actual source for that claim?

Because that would be very easy to measure happening on the phone PCB.
And all I can find are bad rumors.

[wanton orchid]

each part can be found on their own in marketing materials (Qualcomm deep sleep listening module, beacons, and very low power gps and gms modules, also stuff like Bluetooth LE)
the 5g standard and phone standard mandated a lot of hardware assisted stuff for emergency notifying for instance
and phone have both a network and rtc wakeup path for notifications and alarm clock respectively

[twin dew]

Deep Sleep is device On state.

The state it is when screen is off and nothing real going on.

All those are Device On features... Just with reduced power.

[wanton orchid]

device state is mainly software defined
Qualcomm stuff is proprietary firmware level stuff

[twin dew]

But still with the chips powered.

Again, any proof that ANY phone EVER has kept the wireless chip active in any way when it is turned off, but battery is in?

With any amount of power input to it.

[wanton orchid]

Qualcomm also have a lot of tech part hates because of how cluttered and closer their stuff is
(and I like that it looks like backfiring a bit lately)

[twin dew]

Or the main CPU either.

[wanton orchid]

CPU have multiple parts, it's soc
no main cpu is powered for these modes

[twin dew]

Because all in this list seems to be misunderstandings by conspiracy theorists.

[wanton orchid]

but I get what you mean

[twin dew]

Meant the WHOLE chip, ANY PART OF THE CHIP.

[wanton orchid]

conspiracy theorist don't care about technicalities
calling whoever reptilian or idk what else sounds enough for them

I'm talking about actual technology baked in already

[charred relic]

I had some genuis hanging out with a group of us once yapping about how he didn't trust the amazon echo device sitting there because it "spies" on us

[twin dew]

All that stuff is WHY the phone is able to last week(s) when ON, but not used, with the various stuff active.

[charred relic]

so i go... uhhh guess what pal

and started pointing out all the phones on the tables

mic, mic, mic, camera, camera, mic mic mic mic, camera

if they wanted to listen... they have been foir a LONG time

but i's alexa he's worred about lol

yes lets spy bia a niche item... or one virtually everybody has... which is more likely

chemtrailers are the worst... their theory doesn't even pass the first very basic test of logic...

[twin dew]

ALEXA is actually active and recording.
Most phones aren't, only if someone external turns it into spying device.
Which has happened and noticed from the increased power consumption.

[charred relic]

why use civilian aircraft when they have their own fleet of military aircraft that's much more secretive

[twin dew]

Mostly state actors and spouses.

[charred relic]

huurrr huurrrr

yes lets invovle countless civilians in our plot... or... use our own fleet of aircraft

as far as im concerned that theory is dead in the water just on that heh

[jagged snow]

Most phones have a "hey google" or "hey siri" just like an alexa

[charred relic]

somebody reads about cloud seeding then next minute they think it's a conspiracy

well even if it didn't that's not the point

they are worried about the government or something

[twin dew]

When On, and when enabled.
And most of those don't AFAIK actually send the recordings.
Alexa does.

[charred relic]

in which case they don't need a wake word....

it just listens always... which is what they'd want

if you 're worried about amazon then... sure i guess

not sure why but ok... but no they were worried about the gooberment

[twin dew]

And that has been confirmed that Alexa has been sending recording of each activation to Amazon.
And Amazon is about to completely remove toggle that could disable that.

[charred relic]

and i mean if the right people wanna know what you have to say they can find out...

but joe redneck isn't on their radar heh

I'm sure the government is real concerned hearing you argue with your wife about forgetting to buy the "worshin powders"

[twin dew]

So phones CAN record and send.
But don't unless hacked or like.

Alexa has been explicitly doing that to everyone since the start.
Any time it thinks it hears a command, it records and sends it to Amazon servers, unless explicitly disabled by account owner, and that disable is going to go away.

Ok, went away few days ago.

[charred relic]

The problem with any mass consumer device having anything too devious is... people look over all that shit

so if the government was putting shit in phones somebody would figure that out pretty quick

[wanton orchid]

I'm not having time currently to link you Qualcomm own marketing arguments
but they don't even hide that their stuff is meant to be controlled by nearest antenna
and only Sony Samsung etc have some hand on the modem firmware, they also do what they are told too
getting hand on independent 5g modules is extremely costly but also extremely complicated (it's basically military grade controlled market with private quotes and shut down of any other retailers like if resold on aliexpress or Amazon)
it also have multiple region version with " all but US" and "All but China" being the main ones "All period" being insanely hard to get

[twin dew]

So phones CAN be danger.
Alexa has been known to be active danger for years at this point, with actual proof.

[charred relic]

I've seen people worried about tech since... forever lol

[twin dew]

And all that stuff is when the phone is on, but in power saving mode...
If it was active during off, that would be trivial to prove with disassembled phone and oscilloscope.

Or even multimeter.

[wanton orchid]

again I'm not claiming conspiracy
I'm claiming they are designed to get wakeup on some special events
and again, I'm not even claiming it's a bad thing
but it's part of why battery would be expected to not be easily removable

[charred relic]

Shit Juas Priest was writing about this kinda shit in 1982... Electric Eye

[twin dew]

And being capable of that would mean power going into places it doesn't go when power is off.
Which was the point that it would be trivial to prove that the specific chips are getting power, and are using to listen.

No matter how closed source firmware, or black box design.

[charred relic]

"Always in focus. You can't feel my stare. I zoom into you. But you don't know I'm there"

Pretty sure that was around the time the UK was rolling out CCTV shit

(which is where they're from)

And look at it now... they can identify known faces heh

[twin dew]

So unless you actually bring some proof, that isn't bad take on marketing material, then I will keep saying you are spouting a conspiracy theory around.

Because that would be so trivial to prove to reasonable degree.

[charred relic]

heh that video of that new security they were doing at a couple of airports and dude comes up in the system with his photo and all and they're wondering how they have their face

like bro... drivers license? hello? mcfly?

Also the lets us fingerprint your l;ittle kids in case they're abducted... riiiight

heh... not concinved that has ever helped

but they sure do have a lot of prints now in case those folks do some gloveless crimes later!

[twin dew]

And for few tens of thousands you could get specific type of testing done on the phones chips to see exactly which parts of the chips are active, even in lower power state, inside the dies.

[wanton orchid]

and I didn't arg against that
I only argued against the "it would have been known" as : offline powered circuits is expected
rtc and power button circuitry
being the most obvious ones

[twin dew]

But point is that almost anyone at home could prove that the radio receiver chip is getting power when the device is off.
And there is tech you could get commercial lab to use on the phone to see which exact parts are active in any of the chips on the phone.

Or the main SOC etc.

[charred relic]

scopes can see some interesting things

[twin dew]

And nothing.
Just conspiracy theories.

[charred relic]

people will use that black epoxy shit to conceal components in boutique electronics... kinda pointless

you can scope out exactly what's in there heh

except certain details like diode type or somethinb but ehhh that's where you try both common types and see which sounds closest

germanium clipping diodes def have a sound

[wanton orchid]

I mean I will search details later but you will never find anything if searching for anything alarming
I'm / will simply search for power delivery circuit state details, Qualcomm chip integration docs and marketing etc etc
I mostly seen what I'm talking about from Qualcomm hardware capabilities details

[twin dew]

That Alexa recording to Amazon servers has been all over the news multiple times since Alexa came out.
For phones doing stuff when off, nothing except random forums with absolutely no proof.

Just same rumors going around and around.

For 7+ years.

[wanton orchid]

again I didn't talk about off recording

only about arbitrary wakeup

[twin dew]

That was just as example of "alarming"

That if the thing is actual, it WILL get to some news.

Or someone WILL post actual testing, even on some random forum that then will get all over.

[wanton orchid]

In the similar line of things
I expected the AMD ryzen jailbreak to exist way before news
it's only logical and it's easy to guard against exploit using it

[twin dew]

And again, as actually TESTING for that would be trivial to get at least clue it would be POSSIBLE, but no such results anywhere.

But I'm off to bed.

Also, lot of phones etc. circuit diagrams have leaked over the years to specialist sites.

[charred relic]

I'd be more interested in detecting any transmissions... with some of the wavelengths used now detecting something going on based on power use could be nye impossible

you can do a lot with 1/4 watt and that takes almost no power to generate

[wanton orchid]

btw doesn't lion battery sensitive to temperature changes even when not used ? which in some cases would require monitoring for safety ?

[charred relic]

never good for them to get too hot

But heat itself externally isn't as dangerous as the internal heat

I mean they get shipped in containers that sit in the sun and get unbearably hot inside

I've had the fortune of dealing with that

[wanton orchid]

"While older batteries were prone to overcharging, it’s impossible with lithium-ion technology."
I don't love finding "experts" online

[charred relic]

Well it is safer than what we had when i was a kid

nickel cadmium

those had the charge "memory" you had to deal with too

a lot of people used to those cells from back then ruined lithium cells by fully discharging them to reset the memory... which lithium doesn't suffer from

But the big big danger with lithium cells is over discharge, battery gets hot internally, fails... enters thermal runaway

not overdischarge but overcurrent

I should film what happens if I pull about 30A from a 18650 meant for flashlights and rated for 10A continuous lol

It's kinda like foreworks but more dangerous 😄

[pure karma]

its fireworks but not in the sky

[charred relic]

well i mean... i could get it up in the sky if i really wanted

[wanton orchid]

it's one of my arguments against the ultra safety political argumenst : only education and skill makes anything secure
open your car hood and short you car battery with a metal bar
skill level : very easy
danger : extremely high

dive on a pavement

skill level : very easy
danger : extremly high

[charred relic]

Car batteries are fun

There's a halloween gag you can do with a car battery, a chainsaw with the chain removed and some metal like a fence/cage etc

ground teh cage, positive lead to the guard

[wanton orchid]

dive in water while not being able to swim
skill level : very easy
danger : extemely high

[charred relic]

as soon as you rake it on the bars it LOOKS like the chain is on the mofo lol

[wanton orchid]

damn forgot the bot

[wanton orchid]

"On a supported iPhone, turning on the Find My network allows you to locate your iPhone for up to 24 hours after it’s turned off, or up to 5 hours when it’s in power reserve mode."
from official iphone apple website
support.apple.com/guide/iphone/add-your-iphone-iph9a847efc7/ios
At least one example of nowhere near hardware off from Apple

I'm pretty sure samsung is guilty of it too
though I have practical hints that opposite is true for some sony phones (more legit longterm battery feedback, and more stuff disabled when phone is off (no alarm wakeup for instance)

samsung phones are pretty hostile too when it comes to firmware and software bloat/restriction/designs

[charred relic]

https://tenor.com/view/pantera-domination-dance-moves-jumping-gif-21397764

[languid gulch]

yea, i had to get mine during lockdown, so the only option was to get an unlocked S10, & it being my first unlocked phone, it's so nice

[night girder]

Did you all heard that Microsoft nuked the oobe\bypassnro for W11?

[languid gulch]

yup

[night girder]

They trying to combat local accounts. But there are still ways.

You can edit registry to enable the script again if I read correctly.

[languid gulch]

like someone in the ars technica comments section said, it's prepping to go to a subscription model by taking that step

[night girder]

Also, no more blue screen of death.

[night girder]

There are still ways. Even if they go for subscription model. There are still ways 😄

[languid gulch]

oh definitely

[night girder]

And I think they know that. Nonetheless, still possible they go for it. But I suspect they might add it to W12 or whatever they call it.

[languid gulch]

people have managed to keep Yugos on the road, i'm sure there are ways to avoid a sub

[languid gulch]

remember when they advertised win10 as their last OS?

[night girder]

They once said that? 🤣

[languid gulch]

oh yea, they said that all future updates were just gonna be adding in security & functionality to win10

[night girder]

Hahaha, like to see that happen.

[languid gulch]

they've kinda done it with Office

[night girder]

Every version is an excuse for Microsoft to say version x is no longer supported. Go pay up again

A subscription would "fix" that.

[languid gulch]

yup

[night girder]

I am not going to pay monthly/yearly for a OS

and especially not for windows.

[pure karma]

mine dosent even trigger anymore lol

[night girder]

i am not surprised

[pure karma]

i singlehandebely killed the BSOD

i killed the unkillable object

[night girder]

along with the rest of the system? 😄

[charred relic]

512 kilobytes outta be enough for anybody

[languid gulch]

was it gates that said they'd never have the need to do a 64 bit OS?

[charred relic]

not sure about that one... the 512 kilobytes is oft misquoted though and becomes he said enough forever and all time or something, in the context of that era he was correct

My first IBM compatible system only had 256kb

and a 360kb floppy

Tandy 1000 EX. Had an expansion port inside youi got to by sliding part of the top off, wasn't obvious that you could just slide it right off

never did use the expansion but it was a great place to hide various things from the parental units when i was a teen lol

[soft bloom]

was viscuous fingering already been discussed?

[charred relic]

o.O

[languid gulch]

grabbed a piece of paper from my parents 🤣 it's the receipt for a part from my dad's old job, and i think it's the only page in existence that has both his name & the company's name on it that have nothing to do with him working there.

[wanton orchid]

how would you say 150kb is enough ??
I have literally multiple MB of ASCII text I wrote myself

they were probably lazy back then

[languid gulch]

2.5GB, $81k

[verbal raft]

#Novideo
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpu-drivers/game-developers-urge-nvidia-rtx-30-and-40-series-owners-rollback-to-december-2024-driver-after-recent-rtx-50-centric-release-issues

[languid gulch]

i haven't been having any issues, but i'm reverting it anyway

yay reversion done

[twin dew]

Ok, that is legit then for those supported iPhones.

But with significant time limits because of the extra power draw, to not kill the battery.

[languid gulch]

ngl it still being on when you turn it off feels like a lie

[twin dew]

Well, for anything without two-state power button it will be lie to some extent.

[gilded sandal]

howdy nerds!
niche question while I wait (i'm here to wait for the 1.1 experimental drop)

anyone in here happen to have links to a nice write-up for spoofing certificates in TLS (1.2) connections using mitmproxy/mitmweb or something similar for connections that auto-reject generated certs for mitm/burp?

[twin dew]

Or just replace the certificate the dedi uses with real one?
https://old.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/1feuzfb/dedicated_server_tls_setup/

[gilded sandal]

OH, sorry, this is actually off topic. it's a general question. It's my first time testing API vulnerability in a program (not satisfactory), the actual certificates aren't available. So i'm stuck on setting up the environment still

[twin dew]

Ok, just expected this was about setting dedicated server for experimental with that caveat about self-signed certs.

[gilded sandal]

nah, just messing around with a bug bounty that's way out of my normal range of experience

[languid gulch]

most annoying part of earbuds is when the rubber cup thingies get stuck in your ear

[willow pike]

this is a thousand times more involved than anything I've ever seen discussed here, sadly

[pure karma]

No 💀

[verbal raft]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qbylbEek-M

[pure karma]

Yes

[dire igloo]

The funniest shit about AI is legislators struggling to find a definition

Take the EU's AI regulation for example:
Basically any automation system is AI according to their definition

[foggy tangle]

I play satisfactory on ultra graphics, while it may sound crazy that I complain the noise it's same when I play minecraft, because then it also sounds like a jet.
I have to always put it on quiet mode, but then my laps where I put the laptop gets hotter than the sun.
Does anyone know the cause of it, I got this laptop like 1-3 days ago

[twin dew]

The game stressing both CPU and GPU near to max.

And lot of laptops don't have cooling for that, with designers having expected only one to be stressed at a time.

[cobalt ivy]

Consider a perforated laptop stand maybe? It's been a while since I've gamed on anything mobile.

[foggy tangle]

should I be concerned about the heat? Or does it have something like auto shut, if it gets too hot?

[foggy tangle]

I am planning on buying one, do you have a recommendation?
And with perforated laptop stand, are you referring to those stands that just elevate your laptop`?

[twin dew]

Usually no, CPU and/or GPU will just throttle when needed.
Will impact how long the battery lasts before it doesn't hold charge anymore.

[foggy tangle]

Do you mean when I have to charge, or when it gets damaged

[twin dew]

Li-Ion batteries degrade over time, even when not used.
And how fast that happens depends on temperature and level of charge.

In addition to charge and discharge cycles or amounts.

[verbal raft]

wait
you are playing the game while having your laptop on your laps ?

[cobalt ivy]

Anything to allow airflow and heat dissipation so your system doesn't have to struggle so much.

Idk what is out there, but I bet etsy has some 3d printed solutions.

[foggy tangle]

do you now how much a new battery costs about?
Right now I have opera gx and discord open

[foggy tangle]

Yes sadly, until I get a laptop stand.
After I get one I will put the stand on my bed and play like that

-# I made 50 typos while trying to type lmao

[twin dew]

Need to be raised for the bottom intakes to be free from obstructions...

By anything.

You cannot play at a table?

[verbal raft]

you could put it on a table you know 😉
(unless you cant)

[foggy tangle]

nah, except you want me to play at the kitchen while my neighborhood watches me play Satisfactory

[twin dew]

Then just put something hard under the laptop?

Including for example the box it came in.

[dire igloo]

More fresh air for the cooling fans, yeah.
Avoid those stands with built in fans tho - they won't push extra air into the laptop but if they're slower than the laptop fans, they'll actually block airflow

[verbal raft]

i actually used to do that
it worked !

[dire igloo]

Does Etsy have a free library of 3d designs? Cuz if not, I remember thingiverse being a thing for finding free 3d printing models

[dire igloo]

Cloth is very good at covering ventilation holes - so don't do that

[foggy tangle]

But it would still block the airflow?? OR what do you mean, that big box?

[cobalt ivy]

No idea. I was more so meaning physical prints.

[verbal raft]

yes, it would to a degree
but much less than your beds faric

[twin dew]

Point is for the laptops own bottom feet to have something to sit on.

[dire igloo]

A rigid flat surface (like a table) blocks less than a squishy flat surface (like a blanket)

[twin dew]

To get that designed small gap under the laptop for inflow air.

[dire igloo]

You're basically stuffing your laptop's air intake with other stuff

And to nobody's surprise, a choking cooler can't cool

[foggy tangle]

I try putting my one leg to the middle and the one just somewhere random (not the holes)

?

now it's like harder to play yk I kind of have to lean

[cobalt ivy]

If it's not being held up by the feet, the holes will be blocked fyi

Do you have a desk and chair?

[foggy tangle]

nah my room has no place like absolutely

but I plan on reworking with my brother (we share rooms)

[foggy tangle]

also do you know by any chance why the lenovo blocked the middle airflow

[twin dew]

Because there is nothing there to intake air?

[dire igloo]

Unless it's held up in an area where there are no vent slots - which is tough to do properly

[twin dew]

They probably have fans on left and right.

[dire igloo]

Because there actually isn't any airflow there

The vents aren't for air to flow, they're for the fans to draw in air

[foggy tangle]

ohh okayy

[foggy tangle]

that explains the noise lmao

yall think this good

[dire igloo]

Simple design, doubt it's shit quality.
Ergonomics is smth you'll have to find out for yourself

[foggy tangle]

ergonomics meaning

is that sm good or bad

is it like how efficient to use itß

also after the stand shpuld I still be concerned about the noise

hold onnn

[cobalt ivy]

Headphones bb

[foggy tangle]

that iPad box I used, can't I use the box on one of my leg so it has very yy much room to airintake

abit wobbly but yeah

HOLD ON

WHY IS MY LAPTOP SO QUIET

nvm it started to launch

but not as bad

it's like 100% quieter

[pure karma]

i allready know im not going to be able to get anything done today so now im just hunting for the april fools memes

[willow pike]

https://www.techpowerup.com/334901/surprise-reversal-geforce-rtx-5090-found-with-too-many-rops-matches-rtx-pro-6000-8-performance

what the fuck

[pure karma]

lmao

[willow pike]

... fucking april fools

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-memoji-gif-23490017

[pure karma]

theres the realisation 😂

[dire igloo]

Comfort mainly. Basically: how does it feel to use? Are you an uncomfortable position? Do you need to twist your joints weirdly to use it? Etc

[twin dew]

Does it stay usable if you move, or will it collapse.

[foggy tangle]

I mean because of my laptop being high up it kind of hurts VERY TINY bit on my hand

but else it's good thanks for the help guys

[twin breach]

@foggy tangle This is getting weirder not even touching it I snapped it just after the error

[foggy tangle]

could you now send me the whole screen?

without cropping.

[twin breach]

Will do just reinstalling it see if thats solves itif not will send

[foggy tangle]

won't help if I am correct

because if I am correct, your GPU is using your iGPU

[twin breach]

@foggy tangle

[foggy tangle]

and you are saying it's still happening?

is the game open right now?

[twin breach]

It loads other saves just not this one

[foggy tangle]

so only one save can't load up, right?

[twin breach]

yeah

[foggy tangle]

can I get the error log?

[twin dew]

#1038092680493801533

[foggy tangle]

you mean they should ask there?

can I get the error log?

[twin breach]

Erro log

it cant be object limit as thats a different error I think

[verbal raft]

[unrelated]
But HD2's native AA looks like FSR 3.1 performance mode at 1080p lol

[foggy tangle]

I believe you got timedout after 120 seconds?

[twin breach]

So my save is too big to be loaded in time?

[foggy tangle]

how much GB is it even?

[twin breach]

The save file is 10.4 MB

[foggy tangle]

so nothing much right?

[willow pike]

it doesn't have any form of TAA

[verbal raft]

oh
it DOES
its just super shit

[twin dew]

GPU (driver) crashed in way that didn't crash the game, and then render thread timed out.

[willow pike]

weird that it doesn't even have DLSS then

[foggy tangle]

^^ yeah, I would say extend the timeout time to see if it's slow

[twin dew]

No?

The render thread doesn't time out without major issues on somewhere else.

[verbal raft]

"unsupported engine"
and "content or DLSS which one do you all want ?"
thats from their CEO.

[twin dew]

But make that #1038092680493801533 thread, this isn't Satisfactory tech support.

[willow pike]

dlss takes an evening to implement if you already have taa

[verbal raft]

so does FSR
oh, did i mention that they have FSR 1 in the game ?

[willow pike]

that's just a literal upscaler lmao

it's fancy lanczos

a hyper optimised form of lanczos with fewer ringing artefacts

[verbal raft]

well its garbage coupled with more garbage (TAA) means total garbage !!

[willow pike]

yeah garbage in garbage out

[verbal raft]

yeah,
like FSR 2 was out YEARS before the game came out
and they added FSR 1 ?????

[twin breach]

Moved to https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1356647129522634802

[willow pike]

FSR2 is a good form of TAA that uses hand made algorithms rather than neural networks like DLSS2

though FSR2 also uses FSR1 to sharpen itself up

[verbal raft]

yeah, i know
same with FSR 3.1 !

[willow pike]

ye

it's also basically free as far as performance impact goes

[verbal raft]

*CAS

[willow pike]

DLSS2+ and FSR4 have heavy compute requirements but the payoff is superb image quality

[verbal raft]

you can also include XeSS DP4A AND XMX

[willow pike]

eeeehhhhhhhhhhh xess is weird

it's all fancy TAA and HD2 really needs it

[verbal raft]

even SSAA 2X doesnt look great (at 1080p)

i think FSR AA would look better

and DLAA would definetely llook better

[willow pike]

supersampling to give double or even quadruple the samples for every pixel just isn't enough

not when modern TAA (ie DLSS) is using 16 past frames to draw its conclusions from

i think fsr2 uses that many too

you have subreddits like /r/FuckTAA bitching about it, but it really is the best option

[pure karma]

because most games force you into either using dlss,fsr etc or TAA with no option for native now

[verbal raft]

well
i think SSAA Does actually look better than DLAA/FSR AA when it isnt coupled with garbage AA
its only real flaw is that it costs WAY TOO MUCH.

[willow pike]

cause native would look shit

[verbal raft]

i thought TAA was native

[willow pike]

you take any modern game with all the shader effects up the arse and you run it without any AA, no TAA, no upscaling, just one pixel one sample, it'll be a noisy mess

[verbal raft]

well, yeah, cuz those efffects rely on TAA blending frames together.

[willow pike]

people my age remember when half life 2 got by just fine with MSAA but that has the most basic material shaders possible

[sharp oasis]

Ram OC is no longer a valid form of OC frfr

[willow pike]

and MSAA don't do shit for reflections, specular highlights etc

[verbal raft]

well
it cant smear though

thats the advantage of spatial AA

[willow pike]

true; it just won't be temporally coherent at all

and you do need rather a lot of it to approach what TAA can give you

[verbal raft]

games worked quite nicely without TAA for a really long time
its just that moder rendering was designed with TAA in mind

[willow pike]

it's also that shaders were so much simpler

we got characters with individually textured pores with specular highlights, you need some way of doing AA on that

MSAA wouldn't touch it

[verbal raft]

OH YAY
now i can see Aloys tiny face fur
YIPEEEE
PROGRESS !!
anyway
im just jokin'

[visual tree]

According to EU, my Roomba is AI since it's automated lol

It hasn't learned how to acquire a knife though

*yet

[dire igloo]

’AI system’ means a machine-based system that is designed to operate with varying levels of autonomy and that may exhibit adaptiveness after deployment, and that, for explicit or implicit objectives, infers, from the input it receives, how to generate outputs such as predictions, content, recommendations, or decisions that can influence physical or virtual environments;

So yeah, roombas are AI

[visual tree]

I have an older model which I am not really sure if it contains any AI features. New models most likely have them (haven't really researched roomba products lately)

Noticed it keeps cleaning the same path where it passed though multiple times. Not sure if that's by design or something else

Sometimes it only goes through a specific path only once

[dire igloo]

Even if it's a dumb Roomba that mindlessly goes straight and rotates a random amount if it bumps into smth, one could still argue that it matches that definition

[visual tree]

Guess my nephew is AI then

*with the exception that he cries when he bumps into something

[dire igloo]

Is he machine-based?

Hm.
Would Wolfram Alpha count as an AI?

[visual tree]

No

[dire igloo]

wait, holup
A solar powered calculator is an AI system by this definition

[visual tree]

Oh, missed that part of the definition lol

Although one could argue a cyborg is partially machine-based 🤔

[dire igloo]

• Machine-based system? Check
• Designed to operate with varying levels of autonomy? Theoretically infinite - tho idle unless it registers an input
• may exhibit adaptiveness after deployment? No, but it's optional, so still check.
• that infers [...] from the input it receives, how to generate outputs? Check-ish. It generates the output based on predetermined rules, idk if that counts as "infers how to generate outputs"

[dire igloo]

Give him one of those heart-replacement pump implants - still don't know if that makes him machine-based tho

[visual tree]

I guess you could make human "AI-powered" with cybernetic implants at best but never purely AI because it's obviously not

I wonder if you could call someone an AI if you managed to upload their mind somehow

If they retained personality, it's definitely not AI but in other cases it might be

Actually, there is term for this: Uploaded intelligence

[night girder]

I sometimes wonder if they really measure this.

The gap between bottom of laptop and whatever the laptop is sitting on, and how that effects airflow and cooling performance.

It's hard to find a good image, but on the macbook pro, there is barely any space between bottom and table.

[twin dew]

It is often 1-3mm.

[night girder]

That sounds so small for airflow 😒 No wonder they have overheating problems

[dire igloo]

actually, what counts as a "machine"?

could a net of differently weighted electrical connections count as a machine even tho it's made from biomass?

[visual tree]

I would define it as a complex device which was made with a specific function or multiple functions although it's difficult to define when something becomes complex

For an example, scissors can't be defined as a machine but a radio could

[dire igloo]

well, there are two cases you want to exclude from the definition:

• biological life
• fully deterministic hardcoded automation

[dire igloo]

by that definition, is a human brain a machine?
it definitely is complex, but is it a device? was it made? is there an intended functionality?

[visual tree]

Yeah, I agree you would have to include non-biological in a description

[dire igloo]

then what would you consider a neuron array?

[visual tree]

You mean, human neuron array?

I wouldn't consider anything biological a machine btw

But I think I understand at what you are hinting. Some people like to describe complex systems as a "machine" while others think of metalic devices when talking about machines

[pure karma]

anything fully autonomous on its own with no pre-dertermined inputs

[dire igloo]

except every AI system has to have a set of pre-determined input channels - that's how they operate.
They need to have some way of retrieving input data in order for them to process it

and if you meant no pre-determined outputs, then that would also exclude ChatGPT - just ask it to give you bomb schematics

[pure karma]

then none of it is true ai

if you have to give it anything other than its own code its not ai

[dire igloo]

there are electode arrays on top of which you can grow, stimulate and measure biological neurons - these arrays can then be trained and later used for certain tasks

The Thought Emporium is trying to make a neuron array like that and get it to run doom

[dire igloo]

that's not my point. if you want to regulate AI, you need to find a definition for it.
and that definition will either include things that aren't AI or not include things that are

your definition "no pre-determined inputs" is nonsensical because there are many non-AI system that accept inputs which haven't been hardcoded

and "no pre-determined outputs" is also nonsensical because an AI system can have pre-determined outputs and still be AI

I'll give you this definition:
"a non-biological system that accepts inputs and generates non-predetermined outputs"

[charred relic]

denying you bomb schematics means nothing

[dire igloo]

which is still very much wonky

[charred relic]

if you asked me to show you how my answer would be no as well

does this mean im not sentient?

no it means im not a dumbass that's about to help somebody blow an arm off or kill somebody

🙂

[dire igloo]

it is a pre-determined output. if the definition of AI is "no pre-determined outputs", it doesn't fit

that's the point

[charred relic]

just a terrible example

my output to that input is predetermined to

[dire igloo]

it's a terrible definition is what it is

[charred relic]

no...the answer to that is always no

[dire igloo]

and a perfect example to show that it's a shitty definition

[charred relic]

it's never ever going to be yes...

that's... pre-determined 🙂

[visual tree]

First time I'm hearing about this and it sounds crazy lol. I suppose you are talking about this https://youtu.be/bEXefdbQDjw?si=5WFjNfLOgnrtsS9U

[dire igloo]

ding ding ding, correct
that's the whole fucking point

[charred relic]

usually people looking to make explosives are looking for trouble...been my experience anyhow

[dire igloo]

yup

[charred relic]

then im not sentient... according to that logic

becuase i have a pre-determined repsonse to an answer...

[visual tree]

I guess you could call the device itself a machine even though it contains biological matter

[charred relic]

*to a question

[dire igloo]

well, two things:

1. we're talking about AI, not sentience
2. the entire fucking point was to show that "no pre-determined outputs" is a bullshit definition

which you have just proven yet again

[charred relic]

AI would lead to sentience

[dire igloo]

by making the same point as me

[dire igloo]

would it?

[charred relic]

they are one in the same... you'll see soon enough

me... i might live that long we'll see :

[dire igloo]

so what's your definition of AI?

"a non-biological system capable of sentience?"

what's sentience?

[charred relic]

this is where he inserts words into my mouth

i'll just let them...

[dire igloo]

no, this is where I ask you to contribute to the discussion

because the entire thing started with a shitty definition of what AI is

[charred relic]

im just saying an AI denying yo u the answer to something means nothing

that oculd be pre-determined, maybe not

[dire igloo]

and it's been about finding different definitions

[dire igloo]

THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT

[charred relic]

it might be, as me, simply not an idiot that will tell somebody how they can easily blow their arm off or kill folks

[dire igloo]

to show that the definition provided by MagicZ is dumb

[charred relic]

My point reminds, being denied information does not prove it was a pre-determined repsonse.

*remains

[dire igloo]

okay, now I get what you mean

[charred relic]

i could just assume that about anything it says

if even if ask how it feels... that may or may not be a pre-canned response

I doubt they're yet capable of feeling

if any of you are around in another 50 years... just remember the old heads tried to tell ya it was going to get real scary 🙂

[dire igloo]

asked ChatGPT about itself, the answer was along the lines of "I don't have pre-determined responses, but I have pre-determined rules by which I adjust my answers"

[charred relic]

well the entire thing is rules

even an answer to how it feels could be supplied based on how it was programmed to begin with

[dire igloo]

heh - and then there are the even older heads with even less of a clue of how things work
and they will define "AI" so poorly that it includes shit like Wolfram Alpha and Roombas

[charred relic]

Well "AI" has existed since I was a kid

It could be stripped down to mean anything that shows any sign of intelligence

even basic path finding

the path isn't pre-programmed, it figures it out right... so that is a form of artificial intelligence

[dire igloo]

it all circles back to what your intentions are with the definition.
in this case, it's to create a legal framework in which systems like ChatGPT have to operate and what users have to consider

[dire igloo]

a turing machine is AI

[charred relic]

The intelligence people are after now is... well just more advanced really since they want something completely autonomous

to program it and unleash it and it does thr est

[dire igloo]

they want a system that replaces human thought

[charred relic]

and believe me, eventually... sentience

they 'll stop at nothing less 🙂

[dire igloo]

anyways, if you were an EU legislator trying to regulate AI, what definition would you use?

[visual tree]

My company recently organized a workshop on how to use an AI (didn't attend it because I was busy unfortunately). My colleague attended the workshop and now she is in panic mode because she thinks AI will kill us like in terminator movies 🤣

[charred relic]

human thought will be... eh

we'll just be meat bags eventually

[dire igloo]

what if natural human intelligence kills us first like in uhhhhhhh most other action movies?

[visual tree]

That will happen for sure

[charred relic]

that's one explanation to the fermi paradox

if other life is like us they destroy themselves before they travel to the stars

[dire igloo]

or they get to the point where they'd rather keep to themselves than announce to everyone around that they're there

[charred relic]

Pretty limited view but we only have us as an example so far...

[dire igloo]

before they actually make the announcement

(which we didn't)

[charred relic]

But the reason we won't stop with the AI until we get sentience is... well should be obvious

we want to become gods

[visual tree]

I completely agree with Fireworker we will kill ourselves first before we get an advanced Skynet like AI

[charred relic]

Well either the AI eventually... or something like anti matter

For an advanced enough AI we're just in the way heh

And anti matter is just scary stuff if you were to ever collect enough of it at once

[dire igloo]

and in a sense: wouldn't humans creating skynet be the same as humans setting off a global nuke?

[charred relic]

i believe it's pretty much a 1:1 energy conversion

both atoms are destroyed releasing all of their energy heh

Kinda makes a nuke seem like a firecracker

Especially when the other half of the fuel is the target heh

[visual tree]

If you mean by the end result, yes. We would all be dead in the end lol

[charred relic]

nukes aren't even as scary as people think

[dire igloo]

makes one wonder: if the rules of physics don't have a preference towards matter or anti-matter, then why does our universe have one?

[charred relic]

scary yes, not as bas as people think though

[visual tree]

Not scary if you are at ground zero since you won't even have time to perceive pain or realise what happened 😅

[dire igloo]

no, I meant it as "humans build something that goes out of control too quickly and eventually wipes out all of humanity"
with the only difference being that with a nuke, the loss of control is intentional

[charred relic]

Secondary damage... that's what'll get folks there. Like if it's big enough of a war the cloud

gonna get real cold...everywhere

well most damage would be localized to the target, airburst means the fallout disperses fairly well with the weather

Plus it could end up being tactical nukes anyhow with nobody launching the big boys

like everybody knows the outcome of full on nuclear war

[visual tree]

I'd say Skynet scenario would be worse here since it would be really hard to control and you would not expect it to happen

While with nukes you know exactly what will happen

[dire igloo]

runaway fission is also really hard to control - except it's expected behavior unlike an AI going rogue

[visual tree]

Don't know much about physics but I guess it's hard to control a nuke once you start a reaction if that's what you are referring to

[dire igloo]

the point of a nuke is that at some point the reaction goes critical and you get runaway fission - which is also incredibly uncontrollable

[charred relic]

and the fun part is sometimes the fission part of a weapon is only there to start a fusion reaction 😄

[dire igloo]

with the nuke we know that it will happen and we intend for it to happen

with Skynet, we don't intend to

[charred relic]

but those weapons once the reaction is started it's a done deal

with do not have the tech or knowledge to stop that

[dire igloo]

food for thought

[charred relic]

That's how nuts human are... oh look nuclear fission isn't enough lets make a fusion bomb that just uses fission to kick st art it weeeeee

also as far as I know there isn't anything that says there can't be anti matter universes

[dire igloo]

that's what I meant

as far as physics is concerned, matter or antimatter doesn't matter, the rules don't prefer one over the other

yet our universe very clearly does

[visual tree]

https://youtu.be/E55uSCO5D2w?si=Pq1CdYggSMbIFZ_w

This bomb is theorical though and hope it doesn't really exist

[charred relic]

the problem with an anti mattter universe is while the universe might not care how things work inside it do

But just like dark matter we don't really know exact wtf it is

We might be real lucky we aren't anti mattter dominated, might not be compatible with life and surely wouldn't be compatible with how we're made

What gets me with anti matter is that it seems like something that doesn't actually belong here at all...But here we are collecting as much as we resonably can to study it 🙂

[visual tree]

Selling antimatter! Only $62,5 trillion per gram!

[night girder]

I really like Kurzgesagt, but the clicky bate thumbnails get me 🤣

So I haven't watched a video in a while, they are interesting, but I know it's always exaggerated

[willow pike]

they've definitely gotten more sensational over time

lately they're going bonkers

[night girder]

What was the video about the space elevator, was that from Kurz? It was all hypotheticals.

Well, mixed with science I guess.

[pure karma]

nvidias market share is increasing again with the new steam survey

by a lot already by 10%

[night girder]

Halfway the video "So now, can we actually build one? It's hard to say" ...

So first half of the video is just ... talk. And then second half of the video is just ... scientific guessing.

[willow pike]

there was a similar peak early on that went down

[night girder]

Hehe, I just read an article in the newspaper: "Gates in prison go open sometimes by software bug"

[willow pike]

you would never see such a huge swing that fast, let alone one that swung back the next month

[night girder]

My country has it's priorities so fucking messed up.

[willow pike]

maybe it's run by ai

[night girder]

Probably.

Haha, it's random doors at random times 🤣

So even the guards don't know what door will open when hahahaha

Atleast it keeps them on their toes.

[pure karma]

this just seems like an excuse to try and justifier guards doing nothing most the time by making them actually do stuff

its almost like free practice

[night girder]

"if the guards hear a click, they need to find the door that opened, then barricade that door with a wooden beam untill door is locked again, else inmates can just walk out"

Someone in the comments asked why the doors have handle on the side of the prisoner, which is for cases of emergency, like fire.

[barren hatch]

ok... semi noob here, sorry if im in the wrong place... how many water extractors do I need per charcoal generators? I have 9 generators total, I've read that 1 is sufficient for 3 gens but i seem to not keep the 3 generator with enough water

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[barren hatch]

um ok.. thx

i see it now, sorry... brain fried lol

[cyan crescent]

Genuine question. Whats going on in china? Jumping 20% is insane.

[willow pike]

it's gotta be some kind of double counting

that would explain the nvidia jump too

[charred relic]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-my-god-omg-ricky-ricardo-gif-12428091479524021383

[wanton orchid]

you don't need average of average
and doing that is the definition of adding a layer ignoring any care for efficiency

if you write software like this for a long time you basically did it the duck tape way for a long time

I'm tired of these a** not actually reading any messages and explaining everyone they understood what an average is like if it responded to anything someone else said

and while saying themselves it's not efficient at all
while what I was talking about is literally multiple thousands times more efficient

oh and btw the "rush to be right" is continuing my explanation of what I was suggesting BEFORE THEY EVEN CAME TO TALK TO ME
and telling them what they say does not respond to what I said in anyway while they ping me

Ngl fuck that gaslightin and projecting

[charred relic]

I gotta tell you I've seen and done a lot of fancy controller stuff for big/extreme reactors with the computer mods in modpacks... but really the easiest is both the most elegant and totally efficient at controlling the rods

and only takes a rednet computer, one cable and the reactor port heh

well it's not a rednet computer it's a rednet controller, big difference heh

unfortunately i was never able to get it to cooporate with active reactors and a bunch of turbines, just too much going on at that point

[soft bloom]

https://youtu.be/LrS4PKDln0E?si=7w8AApsAQ18pxibL
Hmmm
If only someone was saying that this is not anomaly but a trend, that there's indeed something wrong in the north
Hmmm indeed

[night girder]

Discord started with adds here.

And it doesn't go away ...

[twin dew]

There was that small thing over it on right when pointing at it to close it.

X Didn't ask

[night girder]

Yeah, not what I meant.

I mean, it stays untill you click it away 😒

Fucking obnoxious. Now I need an adblocker for fcking discord too.

I guess I need Pihole.

Also disabled.

This is some corpo bullshit.

I think I might trash the discord client. And go for webclient + ad filtering.

Bro, it's even in my settings wtf.

How is this not intrussive

Even if it's discord bullshit.

[naive osprey]

I think it’s April fools

[twin dew]

Day too late.

[naive osprey]

Some of my friends had it yesterday so it could be

[willow pike]

it's an april fools telling you to touch grass. but make no mistake, it is a harbinger of things to come

[mental oriole]

Also got it one day too late.

[pure karma]

i got it yesterday

[night girder]

April Fools, wtf. 🤨

This is some next level brainwashing Discord is doing. If people don't click the link, you wont even know. (like me, I never click on ads).

[pure karma]

got 5 minutes until Nintendo starts there try not to say AI challenge

im very intrigued to see if there going to take the ai bait or not

my guess is no unless they randomly introduce something like frame generation

[cobalt ivy]

Well. Just canceled my Nitro. I absofuckinglutely will not be PAYING for ads on any service.

So far they haven't put up a fuss. Just a simple email saying if I wanted to reactivate blah blah blah.

[twin dew]

Or just previously mentioned error.

[verbal raft]

what do you guys think of this prediction ?

[dire igloo]

I'd say closer to 95% on that chart

Which is ironic given that the 100% mark is for the card that we're trying to predict the performance of

So it'll always be 100% on the chart, just all the other numbers will change

[twin dew]

And that chart is just based on theoretical FLOPS.

[dire igloo]

Yeah, which we all know is a dead-accurate spec by which to judge performance

[twin dew]

Which isn't, which is why that chart is very misleading very often.

[dire igloo]

That's the joke
-# I should really use tone indicators more often

[twin dew]

/s helps a lot on Internet.

[willow pike]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-hell-is-even-gif-20535402

i ain't watching it and i advise nobody else does

do not reward the click bait

[dire igloo]

If it weren't kurzgesagt, I'd guess it relates to the impeachment and its aftermath

Let's wait until I get home and DeArrow has a de-clickbaited version for me

[willow pike]

okay but that doesn't mean the whole country is over

this is too much

unsubscribe

all it's missing is a mrbeast face on the thumbnail

[dire igloo]

Can be if it means that there's societal turmoil brewing

[willow pike]

if that's the standard then they should do THE USA IS OVER

[dire igloo]

But yeah, hella bait, don't reward

[willow pike]

south korea isn't over

and I bet the video even says as much

[dire igloo]

Actually, it will. With how much they claim to focus on spreading positivity and hopeful news

[wanton orchid]

Korean media is filled with propaganda

I think Korean know that

[dire igloo]

Fun fact:
After both times that Faker won LoL Worlds back-to-back, Trump got elected president and the South Korean prime minister was impeached

[night girder]

Oh nooooes

[tough owl]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-gif-15939012167678099117

[charred relic]

Ermahgurd Earth is over!

[pure karma]

If only

[glossy glacier]

No more nvidia driver problems for me
Now I'll have AMD driver problems

[tribal kraken]

Power connector of my 4090 after roughly 2.5 years. About 5-10 replugs I think

[charred relic]

connector aside from what I was gathering the problems with the power delivery go past the plug, in some cases from what I was seeing it enters into the land of this doesn't even make sense why you'd do it like this

Even with a flawless history on the connector it still doesn't work

(at least not if you do it how nvidia wants

[dire igloo]

And the other part of the connection?

GPU side has a stronger plastic than the cable plug

[charred relic]

My issue isn't even the connector itself, issues t here can easily be ironed out...

[tribal kraken]

No visible damage, dont have pic. It's now plugged to the 5090

[charred relic]

Although the fact they want to ONLY use that style is.. i dunno

Wonder how many AMD cards will use that connector with it being an option...

[tribal kraken]

Looks like this 9950X3D cant do 6400MT/s with 1.25 Vsoc 😢 6200 it is then

[twin dew]

About 50% chance of that like I said long ago.

[twin dew]

But also using lower VDDP than auto uses might help.

[tribal kraken]

Yeah i remember, but that was for 9800X3d which can do it

[twin dew]

Same IOD.

Same for all multi-chip 7000 and 9000 series CPUs.

[tribal kraken]

2 CPUS and 50% is then spot on for this test batch 🤣

[verbal raft]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW4HeUtr11I

[foggy tangle]

My laptop is stuck in the passcode screen, I don’t want to force shutoff (click the button on your keyboard), any fixes?

The reason I don’t want to is, that I believe it harms your components, so I always hold shift before shutting it off

I fixed it

[pure karma]

god Nintendo just dropped so many nukes in one day

[night girder]

Any FC25 players in here?

[foggy tangle]

that’s off topic

[night girder]

Oh my god 😮 I ask a off topic in a off topic channel? Crazy stuff.

Anyway, nephew had issues playing FC25 online. Think we figured out what's going on.

[verbal raft]

this is the tech channel

not the #off-topic-general

channel.

[night girder]

#off-topic-tech still off-topic-tech

And the issue was technical. So not sure what you all tripping about.

[jagged snow]

ctl+alt+delete

[cyan crescent]

Whats FC25?

[foggy tangle]

I know I fixed it with that, but what does it do?

[foggy tangle]

that soccer game

[cyan crescent]

Oh

[dire igloo]

What used to be FIFA until FIFA decided that EA is too unethical of a company for them to do business with

[jagged snow]

Just a windows bug, there's an option to enable that to make it harder for a pc to accidentally get unlocked and windows just does it on ocassion
If it's happened once you'll probably start to see it a lot

[cyan crescent]

So fifa quite partnership with ea?

[dire igloo]

Yup

[cyan crescent]

Nice

[dire igloo]

That's why it's EA FC 2025 now

[cyan crescent]

Ea needs to fucking die

[dire igloo]

If FIFA of all the organizations in the world is the one that decides that EA is unhealthy to do business with (presumably from an ethics standpoint), then that should be a pretty strong indication of how fucked up EA is as a company

Ironically: FIFA ending the partnership means that EA is no longer paying them to use the naming rights

[cyan crescent]

They are trying to put ads in games which we have already paid $70-80+ for already just to be able to play.

[dire igloo]

So unless FC25 sale numbers are much lower than they would've been as FIFA 25, EA is actually making money

[cyan crescent]

I try to actively avoid any games involving ea

[dire igloo]

Honestly, the much bigger issue is them literally making children addicted to gambling

[cyan crescent]

That too

Loot boxes need to be labeled as gambling

Or just made straight up illegal

[dire igloo]

Neither. gambling legislation needs to include lootboxes

Not outright banning but not deregulating either

[cyan crescent]

Im honestly tired of all the micro transactions in games

[dire igloo]

They make money

It's called gaming industry for a reason

[cyan crescent]

I pay for base game and dlc. Thats it

[dire igloo]

It doesn't matter if you lose half your playerbase. You just need to get that one percent hooked and addicted

Strict morals, while noble, will eventually cause you to miss out on great games

[cyan crescent]

Most of the great games ive been into lately have been small studio games that aren’t linked to big corpo

[dire igloo]

Helldivers 2 is a great example of how to do live service right:
Past season pass content is available for all time and finishing a season pass usually gives you enough premium currency to buy the next one

And the base game is not as expensive as many other AAA games

[cyan crescent]

Also recently, ive been getting whatever games i want to play on gog if available there.

[dire igloo]

It's a shame that their publisher fucked them over hard tho

[cyan crescent]

A game can be great and relatively cheap. Not many(if anyone) are asking them to put in 8k ultra realistic graphics. I just want good gameplay and story.

Good graphics are nice but not a necessity for me.

Dyson sphere program is a good example

[dire igloo]

Good graphics can upgrade good gameplay but can't fix bad gameplay

[cyan crescent]

Then you got devs that somehow make a modern game worse than a game from 2008 that had a smaller budget

[dire igloo]

It's corporatization vs passion

There are many MANY shitty games from 2008, no one ever remembers them tho

The ones that sticked did so because they were the best of their time

And you're comparing generic modern stuff to the best of the best from a previous era

Portal 2 Coop vs It Takes Two
Who would win that?

Tough choice, personally I'd go for It Takes Two

[cyan crescent]

Most modern games from big corpo now a days are shit. I stick to older games now or small studio games.

[dire igloo]

No, see, AI will make NPC dialogues more versatile.
Instead of selecting from a dozen pre-recorded options, it generates some random crap and picks from the first few equally nonsensical options.
Much better, really worthwhile as an upgrade /s

[cyan crescent]

Ai for stuff like that is fine(mostly) i just dont want this frame gen ai upscaling crap.

[dire igloo]

Ironically: exact opposite for me

Also: framegen and upscaling are different techs

[cyan crescent]

For nvidia, both use ai and are shit at it

[dire igloo]

DLSS is the best realtime upscaling algorithm I've ever seen

[cyan crescent]

I aint using it. I want real performance

[dire igloo]

There are legitimate usecases, tho it's primarily upscaling

[dire igloo]

Optimization and playtesting costs time, staff and money

[cyan crescent]

What of frame gen? Its not even linked to the game so latency is the exact same as a lower fps

So a jello effect is created

[willow pike]

frame gen no, upscaling yes

[dire igloo]

Framegen is bogus for anything that relies on reaction time or fast paced inputs

But it's decent for cinematic graphics

[cyan crescent]

I dont want it in games at all.

[willow pike]

dlss upscaling is a real good form of AA that not much else can beat for performance versus quality. frame generation can eat my entire ass

[cyan crescent]

Upscaling, i can kinda see.

[dire igloo]

Then disable it

[dire igloo]

I'd probably put it on for games like ANNO or CIV

[willow pike]

I'm not really a fan of how it's branded as upscaling when you can still run at full resolution with it, but now it's called DLAA

the core tech is good

[dire igloo]

Many frames? No
But I'd rather crank up the settings and go 50 native to 70 AI than use 50 native or lower settings

[willow pike]

the one use for frame gen I have is satisfactory, where lumen gets me 80fps, I can use frame gen to turn that into 72 doubled to 144, and it makes building feel smoother. crucially, satisfactory is not a shooter. hell I turn it off when I go exploring and hard drive hunting

[dire igloo]

Yup, exactly

[willow pike]

that's an exceptionally narrow use case

anything where you shoot things, absolutely not

[dire igloo]

Anything where you don't need to react quickly or precisely chain inputs

[willow pike]

and most people don't use it to go from 72 to 144, they go from 40 to 80. nuh uh. bad

[dire igloo]

Wouldn't even run it for AoE if that tanked fps

[willow pike]

or 30 to 120 with MFG

eat my entire ass

also with satisfactory building I'm not whipping my camera all over the place and seeing frame gen artefacts

i don't use it in any other game

the idea of buying a gpu specifically to get DLSS frame gen is lunacy

[pure karma]

i generally use it to go from like 20fps to 35-60fps

but i play primarily casual games so im use to it

[willow pike]

madman

[pure karma]

well fuck

rip vram again

[glacial zephyr]

ah yes evil beamng drive

[willow pike]

magicz are you literally radioactive

[pure karma]

i might be

i found a ladybug dead on my pc

could have died of radiation... nerver know

[languid gulch]

iirc ladybugs in chornobyl got darker as a mutation to make them capable of absorbing more radiation

[charred relic]

Radioactive Lady Bugs with Laser Beam Eyes from Outter Space

[languid gulch]

frickin sharks with frickin lasers attached to their frickin heads

[charred relic]

https://tenor.com/view/finger-quotes-drevil-austin-powers-gif-6529102148968853119

[pure karma]

wait really? 🤔

[languid gulch]

ah wait, it was frogs

www.ndtv.com/science/the-mutants-of-chernobyl-how-radiation-exposure-forced-animals-to-evolve-to-survive-5092547

some species have melanized

[tribal kraken]

who called?

[tribal kraken]

Tbh my nick comes from working 9 years in sheetmetal factory. CNC Laser cutter operator, programmer and in order processing from customer cad data https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCDyGOy7EXA

[jagged snow]

Gosh dang it
Something's borked with my pc

[tribal kraken]

Using Aquasuite and HWinfo to run case top fans depending on DRAM spd temperatures. Dual Rank DDR5 48GB sticks still get hot.

Testing these

[jagged snow]

Got it back. It had been asleep overnight, came back to wake it up and it started bootlooping, did that for a few minutes and then full bios reset

xmp turned off, rebar turned off, etc

[tribal kraken]

Strange

I just saved BIOS settings profile to USB disc if need to clear CMOS when playing with memory

[jagged snow]

I should, I lost my saved memory tune and pbo curves

[tribal kraken]

But confident that these settings might work. 2h pubg and 5 hours Karhu memtest passed

[jagged snow]

Nice!

This rig is starting to get up there, 5yo am4

[pure karma]

great i get to be the one giving out tips for once

[jagged snow]

Nah, it's all good 😉

[pure karma]

alright see you when you break something else

[verbal raft]

FML

AMD's ego is rising

[twin dew]

Year of Rabbit went already.

That R in the middle.

IIRC should be GSE this year? Great Snake Edition?

[verbal raft]

*golden snake

[willow pike]

https://tenor.com/view/burying-dying-dead-grave-gif-17189345

[verbal raft]

i might as well just buy a 7800 XT

[willow pike]

this was re: tariffs

9070 gre would at least get fsr4

[verbal raft]

i just dont wanna buy a GPU after that tarrif thing goes by

[willow pike]

it won't be good

[verbal raft]

thats ganna make me upgrading SOOOO MUUUCHH MORE PAINFULL

[willow pike]

everything is gonna be shit

for a long time

[verbal raft]

[glossy glacier]

i don't quite like how this is presented. core count is just a number. relative performance to the top end would have been better imo

[verbal raft]

hmm
well AMD doesnt seem to be skimping THAT much

(just a thing i put together for fun)

the relative % is based off of core count

i'd love to make it based of off performance but im lazy

[night girder]

You fixed it?

[jagged snow]

Yup

Just needed to redo my BIOS settings

[night girder]

Ah, wonder what happened for the system to go derp.

But glad it was fixable with BIOS settings.

[mental oriole]

Have to check if rebar is enabled on my system... I have a slight feeling it may cause issues in cyberpunk.
After a while (usually 1-1.5h of playtime the game slows down in framerate) Still playable but noticable, and feels sluggish. But then again... running proton could also do something funky with performance after a while of running...

[glossy glacier]

could be low vram too. didn't GN mention somwthing like this?

[pure karma]

honestly i think thats fairly normal

generally speaking most my games start off running well and then after a while they drop a bit and then generally stay at a lower average but keep a higher consistency

[mental oriole]

It's not VRAM, I got 24GB. And about 12 is utilized.

But I will investigate further 🙂

[night girder]

Test with different games. (To exclude it's cyberpunk related issue).

Not sure if STALKER 2 is more stable now. But satisfactory could be good candidate to test.

But cyberpunk is very much a patchwork game.

[mental oriole]

yep. I'm playing through the dlc so that's why I'm noticing it 😄

But will test some other games for sure.

assuming bg3 patch 8 drops soon thats probably on the next list.

[night girder]

Also dope game.

Doesn't really push a system in my experience.

[mental oriole]

It does in act3, because it's quite crowded, but a sim/factory game game like satisfactory or dsp is most likely the bestcandidates to stress on. Assuming you have a beefy save for it. 🙂

[pure karma]

ehhh beefy save would interfere probably

[night girder]

Ah, I spent 100 hours in BG3, to explore act 1

[pure karma]

my save gives completely random perofrmance based on where the initial loading happened what has been rendered through the sesion and hasent... its just too inconsistent

[night girder]

And didn't continue because I got sick. And afterwards I kinda forgot about it.

[mental oriole]

😄

[night girder]

Should pick it up again from start, but I don't want to do it all again atm.

[mental oriole]

I know that feeling

it's like when I restart in DSP or any other game from full upgrades.

It's a pain

[night girder]

And BG3 felt like a movie. That I had to pause halfway for a few weeks.

I really want to follow the story without interruption 🤣

From what I've seen, it was so well written.

[mental oriole]

Mmm

[night girder]

You disagree?

🔪

[mental oriole]

No, it's good

[night girder]

Ah 😆

[pure karma]

thats how cyberpunk felt like to me but i think thats just because i isolated myself from practically everything else until i finished it

[mental oriole]

"mmm" is agreeing in swedish 😄

[pure karma]

but it was also one of the most fun game completions i have had in a while

[night girder]

I will remember that for when I visit Sweden.

[mental oriole]

Better is the "yes" sound. idk how to write it in text.

[night girder]

Ah, I think know what you mean. You have to make a certain sound to make it work.

Else mmm might mean something else 🤣

[mental oriole]

'jʉ', 'schvuu', or 'schwup'.

among other spellings xD

[night girder]

I like jʉ. (copy pasted your ʉ)

🤣

[mental oriole]

I copied from google 🤣

[night girder]

Want to know something crazy? I've never played DSP.

[pure karma]

i cant wait to be free from the hell that is making a school project on all the intel degredation drama

[mental oriole]

I stopped playing because performance, but gonna give it a shot with my new cpu 🙂
It's like factorio in space. (before space age lol)

But they're still very different.

[night girder]

Yeah, I played a lot of games in the factory genre. But for some reason that one didn't really catch my eye

[mental oriole]

Time for operation try get some proper sleep tonight

[night girder]

Trouble sleeping?

[mental oriole]

just late

[night girder]

Ah, good night then 🛌

[pure karma]

if only

[night girder]

Earplugs can help.

[mental oriole]

my brain goes hyperactive so that doesnt matter (:

Think about stuff all the time.

[night girder]

Did you program too much?

[mental oriole]

Anyways...

[mental oriole]

always

[night girder]

I have it when I program for 10 hours or more. Then I freaking dream code.

[pure karma]

sleep deprive yourself

[night girder]

My brain wont stop coding for some reason. Anyway, go sleep don't mind me rambling 👋

[pure karma]

thats how i fixed my hyperactivity

forced my brain to forget

[night girder]

If I sleep deprive myself, that means more coding.

Then it's even worse 😒

Best thing I've found is quit a few hours before sleep and do something else.

[jagged snow]

This annoys me so much

[languid gulch]

man, youtube performance seems to have turned to absolute crap lately

[charred relic]

That's pretty crappy

My brain translate that line into "we don't want to to have a secure password" 😦

It also makes me wonder about the coding...

I mean my edumuhcated guess there is those characters have something to do with relation to the code and that better coding would be able to accept those characters without issue... would this be in the ballpark?

Also at very fist glance I thought it was a forkbomb heh

[pure karma]

yea cause it won the adblocker war by making the page constantly check for adblock at every like 2 second interval

instead of only when it tries to play an ad

[charred relic]

They want that monies

[languid gulch]

yea had a feeling it was some dogshit like that

[charred relic]

I may or may not get any ads on YT

https://tenor.com/view/puppet-awkward-looking-what-side-eye-gif-15476992

[sharp oasis]

absolutely devious plays

[charred relic]

what game is that?

It'll never happen because it wouldn't make enough money most likely but I wish MS could do a modern version of Combat Flight Simulator...

wow so Moist went to the Minecraft movie and was literally the only person there... yikes

[pure karma]

yea it sucks

big surprise

[sharp oasis]

warthunder

[sharp oasis]

another sparrow roll

[charred relic]

Ah might have to check that out...I prefer real flight physics but the proper mechanics in a more arcade style could work

really for stuff much past the WWII era hardware a more arcade style is better in a lot of ways... like Falcon 3.0 was a lot of un with detailed missions but the combat was sometimes pretty yawn because you never even laid eyes on the target.

The tank stuff good in that game? I play World of Tanks... used to play quite a bit and be fairly good at that one heh

d/l it now actually... shouldn't take too long

[sharp oasis]

its good ye

[glacial zephyr]

I think the tank combat is much better than WoT

I really don't like the arcade style

[sharp oasis]

There is realistic mode and full sim

But

[glacial zephyr]

I'm talking about WoT, I don't like the arcade combat there

War Thunder has much more realistic tank combat

[sharp oasis]

Ahh

[charred relic]

DOSBox retro PC game collection 😄

[mental oriole]

[twin dew]

Comparing amount of CUDA cores in each "slot" would have been more useful comparison to comparing to the highest end GPU.

Where Nvidia has been making the highest die nearer and nearer to the reticle limit over time, needing the price to be raised to insane levels, because it isn't supposed to be general product but specialist one.

[languid gulch]

i appreciate that GN finally did the charts showing how scummy the lies about their tiers are

[twin dew]

But basing it on the X090 was bad take.
Should have been cores on same tier, or based on X080.

[languid gulch]

i don't mind it tbh. he used "flagship" in the same way that nvidia has insisted on doing it since they added on the XX90

highest tier they insist on calling a gaming gpu to sell to gamers

[twin dew]

Just Titan getting renamed to 5090.

5090 is as much gaming card as the various Titan cards were.

[languid gulch]

yup, but it's nvidia's naming scheme he's criticizing, so using their own terminology against them is fine by me 🤣

[twin dew]

Point was that the gulf between 80 and 90 getting larger would have been shown even by basing everything on 80.
But would have given more realistic numbers for the lower end tiers.

[languid gulch]

& if anything, if he threw the titan cards in, it would have shown an even worse scaling

[twin dew]

Now the lower end comparisons were absolutely useless.

[languid gulch]

he did chuck out the 3090Ti, i noticed that

could also do our own charts with the titan GPUs included

[twin dew]

But basically the Titans and the current X090:s are about making the most performant card they can do when they don't have to care about die price.
And rest of the lineup has to care about the die price.

Without having the "Certified drivers for work cards" extra price tacked on.

[languid gulch]

the titan cards had that didn't they?

[twin dew]

No.
They had all the features, but not the certification.

Support for ECC VRAM mode and non-nerfed FP64 performance.

But no program certified drivers.

[languid gulch]

i thought that was why the rtx titan was $2500

wow that's a special degree of shitty

[twin dew]

The actual professional version of 5090 costs $6000.
Nvidia RTX Pro A6000