off-topic-tech

[pure karma]

i probably need glasses but idc enough to have some again

[leaden dock]

Aight ... ill just finish this here with lets agree to disagree
You use ur puplic transport and ill keep burning dinosours

[languid gulch]

it's plants from the carboniferous, not dinosaurs

[leaden dock]

You know what I mean ... ur right and im right too its a mix

Its just how you say it

[languid gulch]

that's a funny way to say you're wrong about where petroleum comes from

[jagged snow]

It's a saying I've heard pretty often 🤷‍♂️

[languid gulch]

oh same

doesn't make it right

[jagged snow]

Sometimes the point isn't to be right, it's humor

[leaden dock]

i didnt say just dinos ... its from any or organic material with carbon so what

[languid gulch]

where

[leaden dock]

and "burning dinos" is just a way to say it why u so hung up abot it

noone gives a shit

[languid gulch]

coming in here on day 1 & instantly trying to politicize a non-political discussion doesn't make a friend out of me

also misspelling things with just about every statement

[leaden dock]

and? im not a native english speeker and typos are allowed i think ... or is that so inacceptable for you?
And never wanted to do anything with you so ... idc

[leaden dock]

And i didnt start that discussion

[night girder]

Look it's not my eyes

left is discord and right web browser, which is more readable to me. And sharper.

[pure karma]

its true its mostly cause discords letters are too dim

[leaden dock]

Dam that looks so much better

[pure karma]

its a lot like how i see a lot of pixelation on the output of old gpu's because every other pixel is dimmer generally from wear

[willow pike]

looks like cleartype

maybe discord desktop doesn't use it

[night girder]

There are ways to fix it.

[leaden dock]

Yo btw im now down to 6600 like you said havent tested yet but even with 6800 it still crashes the game after 30 mins

[willow pike]

hm

people here can help you better with stability

[pure karma]

go way down liek XMP off kinda down

[willow pike]

@twin dew any advice for intel memory stability?

[pure karma]

even at 4800 DDR5 insent 100% stable for me

probably the fact MB vendors are overvolting ram like hell too

[leaden dock]

all good ill do it now step by step till it runs ...

[pure karma]

i checked and my ram is running .15V above normal on auto

[night girder]

White background is better. But all the white hurts my eyes.

[leaden dock]

https://tenor.com/view/barbie-ryan-gosling-glasses-margot-robbie-handsome-gif-13665100648649288173

[night girder]

Darkmode is pretty doable.

[pure karma]

discord is one of the few apps that is unusable in white mode

not just too bright but genuinely unusable

[night girder]

we need a better discord 😉

[languid gulch]

oh don't worry, they announced stuffing in ads starting in may

[gilded helm]

I wonder how hard they're going to crack down on alternate clients along with that

[night girder]

omg red maw 🤣

Your avatar is gone haha

[languid gulch]

LOL

[night girder]

it's still there just too dark

[gilded helm]

I can see it in the screenshot you posted actually

[night girder]

It's better when you hover 😛

[languid gulch]

the hovering over a post being lighter is throwing me off

also i hate the voice chat thingy overlapping the channel list

[night girder]

everything is throwing me off atm 🤣

[pure karma]

you could just change it back you know

my discord did hide some malware in its startup not too long ago

not sure if it was discord or something else but the fact that it was there did raise some flags

every device dependent on software is abunch of spyware/malware and whatever else you can come up with to call it

my mouse h as software but atleast it dosent depend on it

its just a configurator

you download it configure it and throw it straight to the garbage

even saves across devices so its stress free

[charred relic]

Think I should just go ahead and order a 2nd one...

[charred relic]

aka 1/4 inch

now it smells illogical 😄

I refer to a lot of project stuff by metric because that's how it's listed/sold or specified... like I use a lot of 5mm LED's

and some 3mm...

the bezels for the leds are usually expressed in metric as well

i prefer metric but after a lifetime of not using it... h ard to adjust

like i still have to think about celcius to know if that's hot or cold

like if somebody says "it's such and such C outside.."

lol

now im used to soldering tems in C

I range from 340-370 depending

pounds... might as well just used stones

hmmm some lady completely naked at DFW airport

how come this shit never happens where i am...

not that i care about her being naked outside of content heh

And acting crazy... which kinda goes without saying

I don't think I'd enjoy long distance rail

So... yeah here an Amtrak would take around 3 nights (64 hours) coast to coast

and without stopovers.. ugh

I guess if you have a decent enough room it's not so bad

I've seen some nice rooms... and some pretty meh ones

That region is a bit... different too

like travel from country to country there is like state to state here

rail makes a lot of sense to connect them for sure

If I were going to go vactioning/traveling in Europe I'd want to ladn my feed in some country then go on a train tour through a bunch more to see the sights

just spend a day in each or whatever, that could be fun

or day/night in each probably

But my first choice overseas would be Japan

I just love the cities, the historical monuments, culture

would love to see it in person

Also the people there seem nice

heh for some reason the country reminded me of that sopranos scene

"It's a bad connection, so I'm gonna talk fast! The guy you're looking for is an ex-commando! He killed sixteen Chechen rebels single-handed! Yeah. Nice, huh? He was with the Interior Ministry. Guy's some kind of Russian green beret. This guy can not come back to tell this story. You understand?"

[turning to Christopher] You're not gonna believe this. He killed sixteen Czechoslovakians. The guy was an interior decorator.

fuckin pauly... lol

heh just saw a video of some dude run up on an old man in his car gun out, old man snatched and and started blat tat tatting at him

gotta watch out for those old heads... bros vietnam era shit kicked in on you...

Some of those reflexive actions never go away, my dad is like that

I used to be dangerous if you woke me up the wrong way

i've woken up swining at somebody heh

[languid gulch]

what's really sad is that a lot of the tv series that would be great to resurrect, would need to be resurrected as a next gen because of how long they've been off the air

[charred relic]

I heard about some Buffy thing ages ago but nothing materialized :/

it was gonna be a continuation i think with a new slayer etc, could have been good

[languid gulch]

it was a whopping 18 years between the last season of trek TOS & TNG

and it's been 22 years since Firefly

[charred relic]

Bring Lexx back 😄

And Farscape

Fun fact John Dunsworth aka Jim Jahey from TPB was one of the Divine Predecessor's voices. Also he played a great drunk.

[languid gulch]

kinda the hint that it shouldn't be done, at least with an original crew/plot in some way, was when Enterprise did it with Riker in the last 2 episodes, where they tried to put Frakes in the same place, but clearly 9 years older than the Pegasus episode

it's not the country, it's the people involved. The Office was a UK import & did great

[charred relic]

Some things are better left alone

[languid gulch]

TNG did it well. same universe, with an occasional handoff from the originals to show approval

if they tried to do something like a firefly or farscape resurrection, i'd want it to be parallel stories, or ahead/back in time relative to the original series

i only tolerate his existence because he gave us Majel

[charred relic]

I always felt like the end of Farscape while better than no wrap up... felt rushed

Plus at the time it didn't even makse sense, that was the channels #1 show but they claimed budget

[languid gulch]

i keep hearing rumors of a babylon 5 reboot

original writer

Bellasario is supposedly writing stuff

i'm wondering if Viacom is in trouble

oh god i forgot they got absorbed

they'll all crappy in their own special way

i love it when comedians torch their platforms

yup

it's also really obvious that that's the case, and that they're riding South Park to the bank until the end of time despite any protestations that they're modest

$i $have $no $idea

i learned about the Great Pet Massacre recently

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_pet_massacre

[dire igloo]

I find it funny that people bring up "agree to disagree" in matters of objectively provable fact.
For me, that concept only applies to matters of personal preference and taste

[languid gulch]

yup

also the "see? we're both right!" when one is objectively wrong

[twin dew]

I asked that person to make #1038092680493801533 thread, not going to try to touch that thing here.

Multiple times.

Also, if these are the options MSI provides, then they are complete shit.
Because Intel provided several profiles, and for 14900K, there should be "Intel Default Settings (Extreme)" with 253W, 253W, 400A, with all the protections still on and voltage limit in place.

If MSI doesn't provide that, that is on them.

Which is the Intel recommended one for 14900K, if the MB VRM can handle it.

The problems were: MB makers undervolting the CPUs and disabling protections.
Intel fucked up several different things in microcode and allowed the CPU to ask for dangerous levels of VCore.

But not using that Intel Defaults usually also disables that new max VCore limiter, and MSI doesn't expose it to be manually used either.

Asus and Gigabyte did even before the issues were known, MSI and AsRock don't and have both stated they have no plans to expose it either.

[languid gulch]

at least when AMD occasionally has a fried CPU, it's not by design

[tribal kraken]

Yeah first thing would be to see its actually memory problem, or the 14900K CPU can be bad already. Random crashes was the symptoms with my 13900K. Like discord could crash idle on desktop. But then at the same time could play PUBG 2 hours straight no problem. Trying troubleshoot it by installing Windows resulted in bluescreens led me to broken hardware. Memory testers and swapped 12900K back ruled out the problem to CPU for me

[twin dew]

7200MT/s RAM, so very likely unstable if on XMP

As Intel doesn't bin for IMC quality.

And the official spec is just 4400MT/s max on 4-slot MB.

[tribal kraken]

Yeah sure, then just try without XMP or more RAM voltage, if its 1.35V XMP kit, try 1.4 or even 1.43V

[twin dew]

That affects the RAM, not the IMC.

Point was that there is very high chance the CPU cannot do that RAM speed stable.

That RAM cannot do what the manufacturer says is uncommon.
But that CPU or MB cannot keep up with high-speed RAM is common.

[glossy glacier]

Does Intel have a auto gear down too? Like AMD when RAM goes above 6000MT/s?

[twin dew]

AFAIK no, default is 1:2 on DDR5, and you can select 1:4.

1:1 isn't an option.

[glossy glacier]

Is that ratio IMC to MTs or IMC to MEM-Clock?

[twin dew]

No idea.

Just what they are called.
On DDR4 there is 1:1 IIRC.

[glossy glacier]

Hm kay

[languid gulch]

i'll only have the slightest trust in intel in 2 more years when they've demonstrated that the later 13th/14th gen CPUs manufactured after they updated the microcode are shown to not also melt themselves. and then the same with core ultra

i'd be nicer about it, but they obviously knew about multiple critical problems months in advance, and did the gaslighting, lying, deflecting, & coverup, so i have 0 reason to be nice about it. they've not even issued any apologies to the companies they tried to blame for their problems, or the customers they blamed for "doing it wrong"

oh 100%

i can tell i'd be a terrible big business owner because i'd suspend selling a company's products until they issue a public apology & retracted blaming me for their screwups

yea, not sociopathic enough to put up with something like that

[leaden dock]

Thanks for the advice but i cant open a thread there yet

[twin dew]

Yes you can, you just have to select one of the tags.

[leaden dock]

Oh whoops … there it is

[twin dew]

Needs header, post, and tag.

[leaden dock]

Its up now

[dire igloo]

Nah #off-topic-tech message

You change your position if presented with new information

My issue is when people do the opposite and use subjectivity in objective topics

Trying to bring objectivity into subject topics is a fair thing to do if it helps you find a position

[night girder]

Nvidia working on tool that allows users to tweak gane settings with AI prompts.

So I guess one can say: "Make game look good" and it sets appropriate settings.
Or they can say something like: "Make game run efficient" and you will get more FPS?

Supported on 30-40-50 series.

[pure karma]

so supported on 50 series and a do nothing button on everything else cool

thats likely how thats going to go

Seeing how thats what happened with the transformer model for dlss

[night girder]

needs 12GB VRAM+ for whatever reason 🤷‍♂️

[night girder]

W11 firewall sucks.

With these settings, what do you expect would happen to discord? Also; discord isn't in the firewall rules.

Spoiler: ||discord just fucking works. It's not a rule (so I didn't allow it) but magically, it just bypasses the firewall. Reseted it multiple times.||

[twin dew]

Are those for the right network type?
Public vs. Private?

[night girder]

Domain.

[twin dew]

And you are actually in Domain type network then?

I don't even have idea how to get the connection to be considered Domain network.

Almost certainly needs both Domain Controller, and additional setup in its config.

Controls what is allowed in and out by default.
Public whenever you don't want to use Windows File Sharing basically.

[night girder]

That was it. Blocked all private outgoing. Discord stopped working. Added discord as rule 👍

I wanted to play palworld. But I read something interesting about recent EULA changes.

And then when I dig deeper I found this piece of information.

[twin dew]

Basically you can have three rule-sets, and which one is used depends on what you set the specific direct Network to, detected by default gateway MAC and IP IIRC.
Where:
Domain is meant for enterprise networks with Domain Controllers.
Public is meant for networks where you don't want to give others access to your computers resources like file shares etc.
Private is meant for home networks behind NAT-routers and like where you do want devices to have file sharing etc. working between them.

[night girder]

So I was thinking, maybe I can block the telemetry on W11 firewall. But then I noticed I set it up that everything going out was allowed. So not control.

Also annoying, if something is incoming and blocked. You get a messge from W11. "Do you want to allow this?".

If something is outgoing (and blocked) no message from W11.

Also, not logging 😦 (that works out of the box atm)

Because of the defaults.

[twin dew]

There is toggle on per rule level for that.
But basically that is meant to be easy solution for normal user at defaults (control for incoming, all outgoing allowed).
But allow full control with granular rules if needed, but not as something user friendly.

There are alternative UIs to that that give what you want in easy to use way.

[night girder]

Nah, OPNsense is in the works. Well handle it there when the times comes.

Just wanted to test out if I can block palworld telemetry is all.

Breaking this down in layman's terms this new EULA gives them the right to monitor and collect your data on their servers, your computer, and your device. Is that data your browsing history? Bank statements? Personal photos? Login credentials to your email or messaging sites? Contacts? That we don't know and that should scare you.

[wanton orchid]

there is a setting for that

[night girder]

I haven't found it. Only for incomming.

[twin dew]

Windows Firewall Control for example.

[night girder]

That's inbound.

[twin dew]

Which cannot do per-program filtering, as it will have no idea what program on your computer created the traffic.
So both is better.

[night girder]

I just block all. And then add rules untill it works

[night girder]

No you are correct, but it does monitor the traffic. So on OPNsense I could see data going out to telemetry API's.

[night girder]

And then just block it in OPNsense. The thing is, if I can see the traffic, I can act upon it.

Windows firewall isn't meant for that.

[wanton orchid]

iirc on rule you can set "ask user"

[night girder]

It's not that I am going to disable my W11 flirewall once I have OPNsense, I would just leave it back to default.

[night girder]

There is no rule? I just set it to block all outgoing in properties. And I was hoping, that if something got blocked (outgoing) I would get pop-up.

Which is not the case as we discussed in detail.

[twin dew]

There is very comprehensive rule creator.
So you would then set it to block, then add rule that asks for any program without rule in place already.

[night girder]

Tested it. Didn't work. Created a block all rule. Didn't see any options to notify on block for outgoing.

[twin dew]

Ok, wasn't option.
Would need one of those third party GUIs to Windows Firewall.

[night girder]

I wonder if game will work with telemtry blocked.

Also, is this allowed in EU? Forced telemetry?

[wanton orchid]

yes but how the telemetry is agreed and performed and for what kind of data is restricted

[tribal kraken]

Trigger pulled for Asus ROG RTX5090 Astral OC. If logistics goes as normal should get it by weekend.

[twin dew]

Remember to install that current imbalance warning software.

[tribal kraken]

I will. Alphacool has waterblocks ready for them few days. Anyways will test it with air for a while.

[night girder]

Is this legal?

Privacy Policy is just a link to their website. Not directly to Privacy Policy. And their EULA, says accorance "privacy policy" which leads to generic website with no privacy policy to be found.

https://www.pocketpair.jp/privacy-policy

While they do have a privacy policy 🤦‍♂️ But just cba to link directly to it?

While playing our game, we automatically collect certain information for a variety of purposes, primarily, to provide the service and to improve the quality of our games. These includes:

• Solve technical problem and improve quality of the game;
• Preventing inappropriate gameplay that could harm other players;
• Provide customer support by collecting and answering inquiries;
• Provide information on events & surveys and provide opportunities to participate, to provide advertisement and for other marketing and promotion purposes;
• Tracking usage patterns and analyzing trends of players, calculating statistics on the game;

That's all the privacy policy contains. Jack shit.

I don't trust PocketPair tbh. They are so freaking vague about almost anything.

They have the balls to rip off Pokemon from Nintendo. So already ethical questionable company.

[wanton orchid]

"regarding use of the services" is legal in EU, it can basically record every mouse movements and action and keys performed through or on the software (but not external to the software (service) by that line)

[night girder]

Also funny:

The 5.4 Monitoring rule is generic and says for more details go here. Which is another generic AF page.

[mental oriole]

Sounds very sus.

[night girder]

The whole thing reads sus. Not buying the game 😛

[wanton orchid]

"trends of players" is freaking vague

[night girder]

They explain why they need our data.

They don't explain what data is needed. I understand the why. I need to know the what.

[wanton orchid]

"calculating statistics on the game" is not a legal wording nor an English formal one

[mental oriole]

They don't explain what data they need, just that they need data.

[wanton orchid]

imply they can use the game to calculate statistics almost

[night girder]

And rest assure, it's all according to our super vague Privacy Policy

Doesn't that make you feel better? 🤣

https://tenor.com/view/fire-kill-fuego-matar-incendiar-gif-5307315

[wanton orchid]

which is not properly linked

[mental oriole]

They can list all running processes and whatnot to find you're running redacted.exe

[night girder]

I might step on some toes here, which is not what I intend, but hear me out. I would be a bit more at ease if this was a EU gaming company. What I am saying is, that non EU countries don't give a rat ass about our privacy. What is the EU gonna do huh? But EU members, they have less freedom with the rules of GDPR etc.

[wanton orchid]

eu restrict use of data in the EU too
but game companies don't care
and are you even in the eu ?

[night girder]

Only Europeans would know GDPR 😉

[pure karma]

how hard out of 10 would it be to try to manually stablelise ram

[glossy glacier]

10 if you don't know how ram and timings work
5-ish if you do
my guess

0 easy, 10 hard

[pure karma]

so 10 ok great

[night girder]

0 if you call in Baldur support.

But then it's not really you that is stablelizing the RAM. But Baldur

[jagged snow]

Still a solid 8 because he can't listen to directions

[pure karma]

everytime i rope baldur into something it goes from fairly easy common sense to impossible words i dont understand

so the oposite

[twin dew]

Well, stabilizing is often easy.
Make everything super slow and put in more voltage (to safe limits).
But the performance will be crap.

[pure karma]

i intend on doing the oposite

lowering voltage keeping speed

because i noticed that my ram when XMP is enabled is like 0.15V above spec

[twin dew]

Because that is what the RAM is specced at for the speed it is sold at?

[jagged snow]

If it's sold with that xmp profile the chance is pretty slim it can't handle the voltage in the profile

[twin dew]

One part of that XMP profile is that VDIMM.

[pure karma]

its either cpu cant handle 6400MHZ or ram is unstable at anything above 4800MHZ and even then its not fully stable at 4800 just enough to not be a concearn

[twin dew]

And that is the CPU IMC most likely.

Like said before, 13th and 14th gen Intels for example have stock max memory clock of 4400MT/s, anything over isn't guaranteed to work on any specific CPU unit, when using 4-slot MB with 2 slots used.

[pure karma]

but specs say 5600MT/s unless they changed them

[twin dew]

That is only with 2-slot MB.

Which Intel conviently leaves out from the marketing.

And also moved the document with the actual limits for 13th and 14th gen behind login-wall about 6 months ago.

The ARK will say "Up to 5600MT/s".

For 14th gen.
For 13th gen the max advertized (on 2-slot MB) was less, 5200MT/s?

[pure karma]

so essentially i need to go even bellow non XMP spec to be at the safe max

[twin dew]

No.
Because you have 4-slot MB, and the CPU IMC spec is then 4400MT/s max.

[pure karma]

XMP OFF IS 4800

this entire thing is so stupid

[twin dew]

That XMP off is set by the MB.
And in this case the MB maker isn't following Intel spec.

[jagged snow]

That's great, file explorer can't even fit menus on the screen now

[twin dew]

Also, if you damaged your CPU earlier with excess voltage, all bets are off now.

Which you IIRC did.

[pure karma]

since when? ram speed default is by Type not MB???

the default spec for DDR5 is 4800

[twin dew]

No it is not.

There is no default speed.

JEDEC has DDR5 specs for 3600-5600MT/s at least now.

When 13th gen was released, 5200MT/s was highest, so that is the spec speed for those 2-slot MBs.
And when 14th gen was released, 5600MT/s had been added so Intel specced to that on 2-slot MBs, even when there is no difference in the IMCs actual capabilities.
But the 4-slot MB spec stayed at 4400MT/s, as that is the silicon limit at default voltages on the crappiest silicon lottery dies.

[pure karma]

14Gen released when ddr5 was already over 8000

[twin dew]

JEDEC vs. overclocking.

[pure karma]

anyway here is the specs for my ram since il probably need it and your probably going to ask for it

[twin dew]

Only JEDEC speeds are specced at the default VDIMM (1.1V for DDR5).

[pure karma]

im at over 1.45V

[twin dew]

Yes?
So?
Your MEMORY sticks are specced to work at 4800MT/s with 1.1V.
But your CPU IMC is specced to only work at 4400MT/s.

[pure karma]

il have to check exact numbers but i know im over

then what even is the point of having these crazy ram speeds anyway

[twin dew]

And yes, some MB makers add 0.05V to the XMP set VDIMM automatically.

[twin dew]

To fool the unknowing to buying too expensive RAM?
And to allow people who want to OC to get highly binned RAM.

[pure karma]

ik that because i noticed it and dident think much of it because this kit was advertised at 1.45V originally and not 1.40 but yes i know

[twin dew]

Then YOUR DIMMs might have been burned to ask for 1.45V.
You would need to look with SPD/XMP profile viewer software what the SPD chips contain.

[pure karma]

but its at much more than that at times but like i said i dont have the numbers and cant check so im not going to give you guesses out my ass

il check in 3 hours when i can actually have the bios open and compare specs to reality

[twin dew]

CPU-Z and HWInfo can both show the SPD contents.

[pure karma]

SPD contents?

[twin dew]

What the RAM manufacturer set a chip on the DIMM to say its capabilities are.
Contains those SPD and XMP profiles.

[pure karma]

you mean read what its doing? If so yea ik hwinfo can

[twin dew]

So would show what the RAM is set to request when XMP is on. 1.40V or 1.45V.

[twin dew]

No, not what it is doing.
What the SPD chip containing advertized capabilities and profiles are.

[pure karma]

Then i have no idea how to see that

[twin dew]

HWinfo full mode, memory, long list of things from SPD for each DIMM

Or CPU-Z SPD tab.

[night girder]

One hour later and they still on the basics.

[jagged snow]

💀

Called it

[night girder]

And that's why I cba with OC my RAM.

[feral drift]

Too help in defense of Baldur...

There is a "often" in the sentence :D

[tribal kraken]

Time consuming but gains are there if you play high fps 1080p shooters

[night girder]

I know 🙂

[twin dew]

And I didn't talk about stabilizing max RAM OC or tightened timings.
That takes ages.

I was talking about nerfing everything and still using XMP OC level voltages to stabilize RAM.

Basically auto or worse performance with RAM OC voltages.

[jagged snow]

Cool system spotted in the wild today

Quad 1080ti

Not in sli

It's a workstation

They're still using it at work, just found that out today 😄

Kinda an awesome machine

[tribal kraken]

That would have mined 500€/month in the best Ethereum boom around 1080Ti launch

[jagged snow]

We're not allowed to make software changes and I don't work in it but I wouldn't be surprised if the thing has a miner on it based on how it runs 💀

There are other optical manu's that could step into that place eventually, but if zeiss went under today they definitely wouldn't be replaced immediately

The closest thing to what they do in terms of precision is telescope mirrors and there are a few labs around the globe that can do those

It depends, tbh

They need nano-scale surface precision

Carl Zeiss is pretty global, not europe specific

[wanton orchid]

oh, AX, been burned by it
dual evga 1080ti here, similar board, same cooler too
man I swear some people are spying on my brain

[jagged snow]

Heh, that's really funny

[wanton orchid]

even the ram setup is similar

it's x299 instead of x99 though

wtf my keyboard is smoking

[jagged snow]

Gotta slow down that typing

[pure karma]

Haven’t even started actually

[pure karma]

I didn’t even recognize that was HWinfo at first

I dont have that detailed info but i can probably find it

[twin dew]

Just don't select either Summary or Sensors while starting.

[pure karma]

Im not selecting anything it defaults to sensors

[twin dew]

This screen:

[pure karma]

I have nerver seen that screen in my life

[twin dew]

Then I have no idea what you have got installed, because it certainly isn't HWiNFO.

[pure karma]

ohhh wait i know nervermind

i have it up on my laptop so i can figure out what i need ahead of time

do i just need everything

like what am i looking for

like under voltage there is VDD VDDQ and VPP

[twin dew]

And then there should be section about XMP, with voltages again.

[pure karma]

ok then nervermind i cant check since these dont have a XMP spec

[twin dew]

So they aren't the RAM you linked the spec for either?
What are you hallucinating?

[pure karma]

IM trying to figure out what im even looking for that way i know when you fling 40 things at me later

nervermind il be back in an hour

[twin dew]

Find entry that says 1.40V or 1.45V as value, and then tell what the entrys name is?

But mainly the point was that that screen shows the actual programmed "spec" for the RAM.
Both SPD (at stock voltage) and XMP

But that is still just the spec for the DIMM.
And what can be actually done is the lowest common denominator from DIMM, MB and CPU IMC.

Where each affect the two others.

[pure karma]

i have to find the specs for this ram so i can figure out what im looking for first since you dont know what the entry is called

1.1V ok so then...

[twin dew]

Those are the SPD voltage entries.
So JEDEC spec, so will always be 1.1V for DDR5.

And correspond probably to that 4800MT/s, shown as 2400MHz.

[pure karma]

this is likely what i need to find once im home then?

TO BE CLEAR THIS ISENT THOSE RAM STICKS these are different

im just trying to figure out where to look

[twin dew]

And I told you to look for entries with 1.4V or 1.45V in the value?

Somewhere way down.

[pure karma]

for the other ones yea but these are 1.1

[twin dew]

You have 4 sticks of RAM in that machine?
Then the max official speed is 3600MT/s.

[pure karma]

[pure karma]

what part of this did you miss

i said i dont have acess to my pc for another like 40 minutes

i specified they are diffrent as im on a test rig

i gave you the new spec

i specified im trying to find out where to look ahead of time so i can give you the values right away when i get home

and then later all im gona hear is "oh yea but you dident lissen or follow the instructions" well yea no shit

since clearly thats too hard to understand im not gonna continue until im home but dont go complaining after because i dont know where to look

[twin dew]

And there was no point in anything if you weren't doing it at that point?
I said what to do, look for specific values, once you get there.

[pure karma]

even if i do if there not the right values im not going to find them

if this is anything to go by there are 4 diffrent voltages

[twin dew]

Those three for SPD side, then one per XMP/EXPO profile, with max of 2 XMP, 2 EXPO.

[pure karma]

ok theres this (again)

[twin dew]

And again, those are the JEDEC spec SPD voltages.

[pure karma]

and then theres the XMP specifications that do indeed say 1.4V

[twin dew]

So if the MB is setting VDIMM to 1.45V, it is one of those that add 0.05V to whatever XMP asks for, which is pretty common.

But none of that matters if the computer isn't stable with XMP enabled.

[pure karma]

its stable but not enough like i have mentioned plenty of itmes in the past you can forget anything with tight failrates like VR it will live for at most 20 seconds and crash for either unknown reasson or ram depending on how competent the crash reporter is

and thats generally less bad or not the case at all at 4800

[twin dew]

RAM is either stable or it isn't.
Computer is either stable or it isn't.
If you get any crashes, it isn't stable.

[pure karma]

ok well how do i fix it then

we spent 4 hours going around a roundabout

[twin dew]

First is that you reset your BIOS to defaults.
And don't change anything for CPU or RAM, and see if you still crash or not on all-auto.

[pure karma]

it is reset i updated it

hence why my integrated graphics are back on causing chaos

[twin dew]

Then not touching that with 100 meter pole anymore.
As I cannot know if it is your Windows, your CPU, your RAM, your GPU, something else, or combination of above being fucked.

[pure karma]

im going to do it my way

[night girder]

Whaaaaaat?

Isnt that a Frank Sinatra song?

“I did it my way”

[pure karma]

yes it is, and it sucks

[pure karma]

i was right for once

2 issues solved

only 400 more to go

obs was indeed throwing a hissy fit and crashing everything with it because of my integrated graphics

so that's the iGpu dealth with and OBS fixed

[verbal raft]

baldurs worst take yet : )

[twin dew]

Or you have missed all the even worse ones?
As even that is pretty old one.

Ok, newer than I remembered, only from start of february of this year.

[verbal raft]

worse ones ?

[twin dew]

There are no limits on how dumb lines I can write at times.

[night girder]

And if RAM isn't stable, then PC isn't stable

[night girder]

Also, don't do that. I provide enough of dumbness 😄

[dire igloo]

Has that EVER worked out well for you?

[pure karma]

yes

it just did twice

[dire igloo]

I should stop asking "how dumb can one be?" because apparently people take it as a challenge

[pure karma]

dunno how well its going to go for the whole ram problem but i fixed 2/4

[night girder]

There should be a Baldur garantuee/policy. That if you do too much on your own (which is fine) and you don't listen Baldur (which is fine) you lose the tech support from Baldur

I wasn't really following the whole conversation (was on the road) but one moment I read: "How do I optimize RAM (asking for advice?) and then a few hours later, I open my phone and read "I do it my way" 🤣

[night girder]

I really hope you are not battling bad hardware.

Because that's just delaying the problem I think 😒

[pure karma]

did nothing for 4 hours and then refused to help so im on my own

im battleing bad hardware and irelevant advice

[night girder]

Ok, to be clear, because I am know for using the wrong words.

Bad hardware = broken hardware.

[pure karma]

defective then

50/50 working not working

[twin dew]

Broken by your bad OC attempts.

[pure karma]

ahh yes broken ethernet controler is my fault

and the bent usb c from bad case design

and the million other physical defects

wrong standoff threading on the GPU mount with no alternatives provided

[night girder]

Is this a mix of buying bad hardware and being extremely unlucky and made some mistakes during overclocking?

[pure karma]

i havent overclocked anything

not manually anyway

[night girder]

So 100% fresh hardware and system.

with 0 overclocking?

[pure karma]

all just out of the box specs or presets

[twin dew]

Right now?
You AFAIK have OCd that stuff before.

[night girder]

But is the hardware fresh?

[mental oriole]

I would just have returned the thing.

[twin dew]

Using way too high voltages.

[night girder]

I can overlock hardware, fuck it up, then put it to default, doesn't mean jack.

[pure karma]

GPu is on its OC preset so YES ig so

CPU is on speed optimiser so i guess so yea

[night girder]

Depends on how new it is. And how much you fucked it up.

[twin dew]

WTF?
You just said everything is on stock...
That isn't stock.

[pure karma]

it is

[night girder]

Kit. Don't OC

[pure karma]

gigabytes default bios isent intel defaults

[mental oriole]

I don't.

[twin dew]

And that isn't stock.
Even if they are Gigabyte defaults.

[night girder]

Me neither, I am team "I buy OC hardware but never OC". (well, I think my RAM has room for OC).

[mental oriole]

I let the cpu run it's defaults.

[twin dew]

MB makers have over the years made tons of stupid defaults or non-working auto-OC systems.

[night girder]

Tell me about it.

[twin dew]

Anything with "Optimizer" in its name is some stupid auto-OC thing.

[pure karma]

then dont suggest using it 😂

[twin dew]

I expected the MB to have sane defaults.

[pure karma]

default is speed optimised with everything on auto

not intel defaults with everything else on auto

[night girder]

don't trust the defaults is all I am saying from experience.

I put my MB to "default" few times. And I found a lot of values not reverted back to "default".

Then I put it all to auto manually. (took me some time).

Then I pressed "default" and it all stayed on auto. 🤷‍♂️

So no clue what happened in the case I just described. But one moment default wasn't setting all to auto. When I set all to auto and revert default, it all stayed on auto 🤨

[pure karma]

there sane in the sense they work and give more performance at lower temps so i dont hate them but it defedently should be on the intel defautls by default

[twin dew]

And maintain the various MB undervolt settings then that fuck up stability.

[night girder]

Baldur saw the screenshots back in the day 😛

[pure karma]

i wouldent consider 1.4V undervolted but sure

this cpu could do 1V if it actually cared to try

[night girder]

What is stock voltage?

[pure karma]

1.2V i think

[twin dew]

Stock today is up to 1.55V.

[pure karma]

atleast thats what the bios says its setting but its not

[twin dew]

Depending the exact load profile.

[twin dew]

Because there isn't one VCore anymore.

[night girder]

So between 1.2V and 1.55V

[twin dew]

But VID table that goes from below 1V when idle to 1.55V max when at max one-core-turbo.

Where the actual max depends on the exact CPU unit.

So no wonder you have stability issues...

[pure karma]

mine is 1.4V no matter what

[mental oriole]

I think my motherboard does some default overclocks on my windows pc (it's 4.20 base, and I have 4.50 in windows) (i7 7700k) (has served me well)
Although it could be a cpu feature as well (idfk how that shit works)
My new cpu from what I've seen does not go over the default clocks. But I also enabled the AMD eco mode.

[twin dew]

Based on what?

[night girder]

If you are not sure and care to know, you could ask someone 🙂

[twin dew]

If it is, your MB BIOS settings are even more fucked up.

[pure karma]

every monitoring tool in existance

[night girder]

But if everything works, it's probably fine. Although it could lead to issues down the road.

[mental oriole]

The pc is like 8 years old and I never had an issue with. I also reset the bios a few months back, and it's whatever defaults.

I reset bios because it got stuck in boot loop because I changed a setting 😀

[night girder]

that's my understanding of it, you can overclock or underclock, everything works fine for months, but there is possibility you are actually slowly killing hardware.

[pure karma]

its not exactly rocket science to look at a reading

[twin dew]

Mainly about voltage and power limit raising as possible dangerous options.

[twin dew]

And that already shows it hit 1.140V at some point.

[night girder]

Yeah, tried to be nuanced. Don't want to say overclocking or undercloking is a bad practice. Just wanted to say it doesn't always cause immediately noticeable problems.

[twin dew]

So not static, just hadn't hit over 1.368V during that run in long enough to get registered in this case.

And again, if you are on MB maker settings and not Intel Defaults, then the MB is probably undervolting.

[pure karma]

no shot its undervolting

[night girder]

Does intel provide defaults somewhere? (manual?)

[pure karma]

its saying 1.2V is the bios and 1.4V in the OS

[twin dew]

Since summer.

[night girder]

Oh, because I was thinking I didn't come across any.

AMD doesn't do that?

[twin dew]

AMD at least tries to force MB makers to actually follow the defaults.

[pure karma]

does presentmon track Vcore?

[twin dew]

For long time.

[twin dew]

Because that 1.2V is the then in use voltage, not the VCore setting...

[night girder]

I am not doubting that. But my motherboard had some weird things going on if you remember.

[twin dew]

And that MB maker undervolting is/was done by setting AC loadline resistance wrong.

[night girder]

And I did nothing in BIOS when my issues started. Was clean install. All I did was play games the moment it worked 🤣

[mental oriole]

xD

[night girder]

But then PC started to shutdown while gaming and well, you know the rest.

[twin dew]

Yeah, AsRock was setting stuff to "This should work on all CPU"s instead the defaults.

[pure karma]

sounds a lot like my laptop lol

now its progressed to layred frames so difrent parts of the screen sometimes show different frames depending on where the mouse is

[twin dew]

But MagicZ, if your computer is unstable, THEN SET THAT INTEL DEFAULTS!

[night girder]

So it would be cool if we could just look up cpu/gpu/ram etc defaults from the manufacturer of that hardware. And not be dependent on motherboard defaults. So users could double check.

[pure karma]

yea but i dont want to do it manually

because its a pain

and this bios dosent have the default as a selectable option

[twin dew]

Then update the BIOS?

[pure karma]

and there isent a new one

[night girder]

everything to auto?

[twin dew]

What motherboard?

[night girder]

Can't you flash a motherboard with default or something? So load external defaults from a stick?

That would have been cool 😦

[pure karma]

yea but its the motherboard defaults not cpu defaults

[night girder]

Probably a security hazzard

[pure karma]

so the same broken garbage

[twin dew]

What motherboard?
Because I haven't heard of SINGLE MB that hasn't got the updates to fix the shit.

[mental oriole]

I like that

[pure karma]

this is the update just you have to set the default yourself

only thing they did is ad a disable option to multicore enhancement

then you have to go through and change everything yourself

[twin dew]

No, because Intel mandated that defaults must be there as option, and on by default...

So WHAT MB

GIGABYTE Z790 UD AC

[pure karma]

yea that

idk why i cant see system info

[twin dew]

Where BIOS version F11 added Intel Default Settings option.

[night girder]

Introduce the "Intel Default Settings" and enabled as default, user needs to disable it first to use GIGABYTE PerfDrive profiles

[twin dew]

Yup.

[night girder]

Sep 27, 2024

[twin dew]

And now there is also F12 BIOS from january this year.

So update your BIOS

[twin dew]

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z790-UD-AC-rev-1x/support#support-dl-bios

[pure karma]

good luck

[mental oriole]

[pure karma]

XTU probably has it

[twin dew]

Good luck with what?
Finding that you are on BIOS F10 or older which don't contain the various fixes to Intel issues.

[pure karma]

yea F11D

so yes the default is not on by default

[twin dew]

That is some beta BIOS

From before F11 stable

So update to that F12 stable.

[mental oriole]

My baseboard version is also x.x

[pure karma]

remember what happened when you told me to update drivers

everything died

[twin dew]

Because your computer is unstable?
And I expected it to be stable?

Because expectation was that we had talked enough about the various Intel 13th and 14th gen stability issues for you to have fixed those on your computer.

[pure karma]

i did until i updated to F11D and left it how it was because you insisted on me not touching anything

[mental oriole]

On my new pc

Idk, waiting to be installed by you?

[pure karma]

not like thats been a secret

been trying to fix this ram for the past year

actually going on 2 years now

[twin dew]

And if it is your CPU that is unstable and not the RAM?

RAM or GPU cannot be tested reliably if CPU is unstable.

[pure karma]

so what am i checking for then

[twin dew]

Update the BIOS, let it be on Intel Defaults and RAM on Auto?

Then see if the computer is stable or not?

[pure karma]

wont be stable either way if i leave the iGpu on

[twin dew]

And where did I say anything about the IGP?

[pure karma]

default is on

[twin dew]

I said "Intel Defaults" and RAM on auto.

[pure karma]

aka testing for stability with sli microstutering among other things

[twin dew]

But that IGP issue is almost certainly from unstable CPU or RAM.

[pure karma]

fine then let me spend an hour figuring out how to update this stupid bios again

i dont even know if its gonna let me flash it since the onboard USB are all dead or unusably bad

[twin dew]

But getting the file from the disk?

[pure karma]

grabbing the file directly from the os drive?

dosent work says its not valid if you do that

[twin dew]

Needs to be uncompressed.

[pure karma]

Xmp off or on first?

[twin dew]

Most todays MBs boot to failsafe defaults for the updating.
But not sure what you are asking.

[pure karma]

I dont think this bios is capable of updating itself

[twin dew]

Why not?

[pure karma]

Il restart and try again but its not reading any drives

[twin dew]

Formatted in NTFS?
Or FAT?

[pure karma]

Does it matter cause neither work

does it want it when its still zipped or something

Yea no the bios cant read newer versions

i just tried F6 and it reads and gives the uption to boot like it should

actually there is one more thing i could try

well i tried

its either not detected or unreadable

[pure karma]

do i have to update to F11 first

oh actually i know exactly whats up

the bios is probably as dumb as windows i bet this will work

[tribal kraken]

Your USB stick is formatted FAT32? Is the bios only file on the drive? Do you double click the file in qflash manager?

[pure karma]

its in FAT32 but above the limit so i bet thats why

[tribal kraken]

Above limit? Like large capacity?

[pure karma]

yea

trying to wipe the drive and now windows is bitchign that powerpoint files are system files 💀

[tribal kraken]

Do you double click the file in the qflash manager or click the right arrow?

[pure karma]

im not there yet im fixing the drive capacity problem

i have to use a diffrent one cause i dont want to break my partitions since there a pain to make

I knew it

they truly do make things hard for no reason

Or not because it dosent work either

it reads the drive atleast this time but it cant read the file so its still useless

Wait no i can force it to read it anyway thats right

there took long enough

[pure karma]

Xmp on or off on new bios

what are we testing first

there default + xmp on and igpu off

[pure karma]

now what

am i supost to just do another present mon run or something

im going to do it anyway because im curious

oof i saw the stuters even through framegen on that one

ok just everything is dead

DANGIT MICROSOFT

can you ever work

well anyway it was better until it wassent and died

[pure karma]

framerates so bad i cant even turn it into a graph

and gpu is skipping frames so its Dead from that driver update

thanks baldur

[languid gulch]

one of the main reasons that Mir got deorbited was because of the uncontrollable bacterial/biological growth on board, so bad they they were concerned that it would compromise hull integrity. while we learned from those lessons with the ISS, it really only slowed things down & didn't stop it completely.

separate from that, the pressure vessels still experience the spacecraft equivalent of airliner compression/decompression cycles, and will eventually have dangerous fatigue

[charred relic]

Could stand to have something better higher up... ISS is barely even in space heh

[languid gulch]

i don't think i've ever seen it in scifi, but i'd love to see 3 big fat human occupied stations at 120° from each other up at geostationary altitude

[charred relic]

Ever see the video of the guy on the ISS showing a maintenance burn to prevent de-orbit where he steadies a DLSR camera and lets it float there then the burn starts and you see the camera slowly moving towards you.

What a lot of folks don't consider if they are actually at about 90% of Earth gravity... but they are falling around the planet.

[languid gulch]

yea, fun to see because you see not just the prograde motion of the camera, but also it dropping relative to the station as the station starts reaccelerating to a higher altitude

also seeing when they stranded an astronaut in midair was incredible

if i went up in space i'd definitely be carrying around a mini battery powered fan on my hip

[charred relic]

Dude had balls of steel.

Look ma, no tether!

[languid gulch]

yea, i can never tell f those people are geniuses or morons 🤣

[charred relic]

realically probably not hard to recue him from that I guess

unless the suit went wonky and sent him off in some funky direction...

[languid gulch]

chris hadfield telling his story about going blind in space was terrifying

[languid gulch]

iirc the suit only had like 5m/s dV, which the shuttle could easily maneuver to grab if they really needed to

the shuttle's deorbit burn is like 180m/s

[charred relic]

well 5m/s could deorbit him with enough fuel, just take longer 😄

[languid gulch]

i mean, the shuttle was still low enough that it'd eventually reenter just from drag

[charred relic]

Plus what are the odds of a malfunction that would do that, which would bne the most dangerous thing that could happen really

your suit burns all it's fuel in the perfect orientation to try to deorbit you lol

you'd have to have really really terrible luck

[languid gulch]

eh, 5m/s out of 7500 won't be enough to deorbit you on its own, drag over a couple days would do more than that on its own

[charred relic]

what im saying is regardless of thrust it will deorbit you given enough time

[languid gulch]

yup

[charred relic]

that holds true even if you were farting yourself down

which would be an interesting method heh

[languid gulch]

it's still amazing to me that the shuttle ever flew

i really want to go see the one in CA

[charred relic]

"Starting me deorbit flatus -brrrrrpppppppffffft-"

[languid gulch]

that's called the Starship method

it is methane after all

[charred relic]

been feeling like some modded meinkraft latels so fired the old server back up

[languid gulch]

🤣

i keep waiting for someone to grab up what's left of KSP2's corpse to start working on it again

[charred relic]

i like building machines to automate all the things

using The 1.12.2 Pack... really liked The 1.7.10 pack from the same person, played that one a ton

[languid gulch]

if there wasn't risk of a C&D storm, it'd be fun to see some games reconstructed in minecraft

[feral drift]

That looks like me, when I jump to try avoid the Nuclear Hog charge, and you just get yeeted into space :D

[charred relic]

$1.80 each for Neutrik 6.35 mono jacks 🙂

[charred relic]

these are panel mount female jacks for audio gear

i only own wired headphones

if i need wireless audio i have buds

im usually trying to avoid anything additional that could add any compression, artifacting, latency...

not sure what the latency is like on them these days though

like even 10ms is a big deal for me tho

a lot of latency to add for wireless lol

Which for most people wouldn't matter but... for music it does

ever tried to play an instrument when it's too far behind on the adio... lol

really same thing happens speaking too, hearing yourself delayed will jam your brain right up heh

like my rountime for a USB interface right now is 3.00ms

that's at 64 samples which i can get by with way less if i really wanted

no i take that back... round trip is 4.33 heh

I have a few select vinyls

Few old ZZ Top records... Motley Crue Shout at The Devil, complete with pentragram

Michael Jackson's Off the Wall lol

And Thriller...

The real gem is a hand me down from my older bro... Ted Nugent's Double Live Gonzo on 8-track

His car and our home system had an 8-track

I almost sold my Jackson stuff when he kicked the bucket because the value shot up for a brief period

But man I've had those records since I was a little kid

I bought them... lol mostly at Turtles

exactly

i've had those records for over 40 years

what am i gonna get... 100... 200 if im lucky even at a time like that

not worth

I used to listen to that Crue album so much

all of them...

things were going from records to cassette tapes so i didn't have tooo many

the records sounded better though because the home stereo had a turntable but no cassette player so...

i had a little cheap mono radio tha thad a tape player

And... it could record. Man we'd spend ages waiting on a song to come on to hit record... then you'd screw up and miss part and have to wait AGAIN

before those bar phones were the thing i had one of those micro tacs, but i was hacking it

it was a process on those... needed a bag phone modded with a chip ad a "loader". Hook that to pc with a cable you had to make, load the identify, unplug

use another cable from the bag phone to the flip phone to do an identity transfer, again a cable you had to make

the nokia's had at least one (that i owned) that you could program right on the pad lol

i build a caddy for my portable cd player for my car since skips

it was make out of popsickle sticks and rubber bands. The CD unit in a frame, that framd attacked to an outter frame via rubber bands so it'd kinda "float"

worked fairly well, not 100%

But it let me use the cassette adapter to play CD's in the car yaaay!

T he shit we'd do to get to the latest tech without spending all the money on that actual tech

Oh and I have the first CD I ever bought. Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon 😄

I got the player... and exactly 1 CD that day hhaha

Stuff with no interface and relies on a bluetooth connection is sometimes offputting to me too. Like I was looking at label makers and one was this small thing with no keyboard, no function buttons it's all done via bluetooth to use the thing

Well with phones they aren't even using the newest cpu design i don't think, the M series

i have a M2 iPad Air that has really really good battery life

My phone is... I'm still using the 13 Pro Max, don't feel compelled to upgrade yet

I've become an iHead. And the funny part is 5-6 years ago if you saidI'd be an Apple mobie device fan I'd have laughed you out of existence itself...

Well they do seem... nice. My tablet can even do some light gaming. Like NBA 2kwhatever

runs great... lots of little games like that

it'll save me a lot of boredom next time i land in the hospital for a week

chips are hard? 😄

I dunno... Apple has been working on this line of chips a long time now

the flagship phone is, like samsung, pricey

their tablets you can get something good reasonably though

Plus even if I got a Samsung I'd get the flagship

depends on the market

worldwide android has a larger install base

as far as development goes... depends on who is spending

wow in europe sansung and apple are neck and neck lol

UK, apple lead, US apple lead

Big leads too...

If I check most Asian markets it'll be somethbing else tho...

wow nope asia as a whole.. apple and samsung

figured it would be xiomi...

apple does one important thing i use alllll the time... amplitube

and it does it very well

Also can do that and run a DAW... good enough for me 😄

run who

ohhh native instruments

shit no links... Traktor DJ 2

So far I juse use Garangeband since I just need basic stuff usually on mobie.

But it has most of the good ones... Cubasis, Reason, Ableton, Logic Pro...

Wish Repear had a mobie version for apple

As long as it can load audio drivers... they'd have to be low latency. On PC you usually use ASIO

outside of that it's basically just an external soundcard...

with a lot of specialized controls lol

And unusual array of input/outputs lol

Please MS don't try to make a Realtek audio interface with built on XLR's and shit :/

they'd do it if they was like... a streamer market or something haha

Yeah who doesn't want to plug a 400 dollar microphone into a Realtek audio setup that uses a 3 dollar IC

I've had some Realtek issues in the past, they basically own that market at this point

for like network shit too, you can specifically shop for boards with the IBM stuff tho

for the network at least...

errr intel stuff i mean

REally if I wanted to I could not have the realtek audio active at all, i could disable it

and just route the output to my interace out to speakers heh

but i have no issues with whatever is on this board soooo

my friend got a soundblaster kit when they were brand new, wiuth the sound card and cd drive

cost a fortune heh...

But he went from bleep bloop to real audio

i used a 286 desktop then a 386 laptop until the pentiums were out then i got one of those and it had audio and all that baked in, it was standard by then

And I could do what my 486 pals could no... play Quake bahahahahq

no

and really the 8086 was before the 286

the 8088 is the same chip with less pins and thusly less capable

[night girder]

Do you even sleep maxeek

[charred relic]

i skipped 486 entirely

I did later get a used DX4-100 that could keep pace with my pentium for the most part... still could not run Quake tho 😄

My P75 came with a whopping 8MB RAM

which i ended up upgrading to 16

Have some RDIMM memory and the placeholder modules somewhere around

not really useful for... anything not sure why i have it since i'll likely never own another computer based on it

I rmeember when, withj enough memory, it was cool to make a RAM disk to put games in and run from lol

[glossy glacier]

He cat naps

[charred relic]

i fish nap

man man

3:35AM here

RTFM

Pffft it's so easy these days.. I mean FFS the web has pictures even!

That was quite the controversial addition at the time, people were concerned about the additional load on the internet backbone

now you could at least just point your phone at it and have it translate heh

you don't know what you don't have until you have it 😄

i've been asked how we could stand to have to get up to switch TV channels and im like uhhh we didn't know any different? lol

Different didn't... exist?

Then you tell em about having to get up to adjust the rabbit ears... that really confuses she shit out of em

[night girder]

You can’t miss what you dont know

[charred relic]

As of around 2001ish Autozone parts stores were all dumb terminals on the parts counter

the two registers were 386's and there was one central 486 in the back that also handled the terminals on the parts counter

lol

[night girder]

Oops, replied wrong :p was meant for compete

[charred relic]

Sure itw as all text but it worked and once you knew key sequences you could get ahead of it lol

[night girder]

Grow up with vinyl “you can’t skip songs with the press of a button?”

Baldur, good morninh.

[twin dew]

And I multiple times said to leave XMP off until the computer has been confirmed stable without it.

[night girder]

Dont scroll up

[charred relic]

8 tracks were fun... total of 4 tracks to select and only a fast forward

[night girder]

Fuck Baldur scrolled up.

[charred relic]

wanna rewind, tough shit plaaaayaahhh

[twin dew]

I started from there, with all the MagicZ bitching how he cannot do basic things.

And how broken the system is.

[charred relic]

ehh outside of the obvious not really sure

[night girder]

Well… you will see why I said it.

[charred relic]

I haven't used a text broswer much at all in ages

[night girder]

Yeah computer not working can be frustrating experience.

[charred relic]

Before ISP's were around a local BBS had 64Kbit data and you could get a shell. There was a program for Windows calls Slipnot that would use lynx on the shell to d/l all the resources to render the page with graphics

janky.. but worked ok

[night girder]

BIOS feels like antique.

We got AI now.

Lets all replace this old ass tech with AI. Bios, AI. Regex. AI.

Everything I don’t like to work with.

So W11 replace it with AI 😂

Printer drivers!

Who came up with that complicated shit for a printer to work?

W11 is pretty bad for its price

I mean, it offers so much shit software out of the box for a steep price.

No, rhe fact printers arent plug and work.

Its plug, nightmare, then after days it works.

And you got 50 drivers installed

Point I want to make, a lot of practices even in IT are outdated imo.

I dont even buy printers that scan. And I didnt bother setting up wifi either. V

[charred relic]

I'm using AI to make a Forge mod lol

[night girder]

Updating BIOS is rocket science.

[twin dew]

It is when all your HW is broken and partitions etc. are corrupt.

[night girder]

Brother Printer for my mom. I don’t really print.

Only when I have to from the goverment.

But personally I never print. I use pen and paper for mostly everything.

https://tenor.com/view/yabbadabbadoo-car-flintstones-gif-13658534537104039484

Time to go to church

[night girder]

I did. Waiting for a reply.

[mental oriole]

Ooh nice

[tribal kraken]

Lian Lis are nice, really liked the O11D, the 9950X3D will go on that with RTX5090. And the that Lian Li 1000W PSU will go to Lancool 216 case with 9800X3D and RTX4090. Going to sell the latter as whole custom loop watercooled PC.

Only problem is that neither 4090 or 5090 with watervblocks fit the O11D when mounted traditionally, the side glass panel hits the water terminal. Vertical mount works with 4090 but.. 5090 propably dont like the PCIE gen 4.0 riser if want to use Gen 5.0 with it

[feral drift]

Airflow is not an issue if you sink your PC into Mineral Oil ;)

[mental oriole]

Lian li a3 sff. But would say its sff+ (since it's a bit larger compared to usual sff cases)

[night girder]

I like the space I had in my Lian Li case.

[mental oriole]

Im gonna flip if my package does not arrive today...

[pure karma]

You went to bed you didn’t say anything

[twin dew]

I had said it multiple times before you started asking.

[pure karma]

You only talked about instabilities earlier

[tribal kraken]

Distro plate, 2x360 + 1x240 rads. 12900k+RTX3090 active backplate in Lian Li O11D

[pure karma]

Anyway im going to revert that GPU driver since its the cause of this instability and il come back to xmp after

Either that or vram exploded on me for a second time

[night girder]

Even I knew Baldur went to bed.

it was like 11PM local here, that's pretty late to see Baldur in chat 😄

[twin dew]

That GPU driver is more likely sympton than a cause.

[night girder]

Good luck gents figuring it out 👍

[pure karma]

frames being too corrupted to display last time i saw that was on the 1660

[twin dew]

Base point being: You don't start doing OC (XMP on etc.) until system is stable at stock.

[night girder]

And if you can't get it stable @stock. Buy new hardware?

[twin dew]

Well, that Windows install can be so corrupt that nothing will work properly anymore even with stable HW.

[night girder]

That's what I did anyway. I could have been fucking around for years with the previous CPU (which was dying).

Replaced CPU and stable system since then.

If anyone is interested in AMD 5 7600X that probably is dying

[tribal kraken]

It was kinda hard to tell which was faulty when my 13900K broke, without swapping working 12900K it would have been just a guess if the fault is CPU/MB or RAM

[twin dew]

Cannot be arsed to look back into Discord to see if MagicZ:s current CPU is the one he overvolted when new in search of higher static OC.

[night girder]

Yeah, I hate that part 😦

That when hardware starts to fail, figuring out what...

"There is a chance it's the CPU, but can also be motherboard. And if that isn't it. Then it's probably RAM related. Or PSU."

[tribal kraken]

RMA process was easy when I wrote email to the reseller how I tested the CPU, they sent me new CPU before they received the old one

Just wonder if by that time they already had many more similar cases

13900K bought 20.10.2022. RMA approved 2.5.2023

[pure karma]

nerver overvolted or did static oc so thats not me

i asked if static oc would be better or not but i nerver ran static oc

[pure karma]

figuring out what when nothing thats broken has cross compatibility with another system

i dont have another lga 1700 system, i dont have another system that takes regular ddr5, i dont have another system that could handle the 4070ti's power draw, i dont have any way to test the motherboard in any kind of official manner and everything is out of warenty or RMA so no returning anything either

i realistically give this thing until the aio grinds itself to death before i scrap it

since it has started now

[winged valley]

Magicz try not to destroy a computer challenge (impossible)

[pure karma]

can you install windows on a USB stick? like i mean run windows off of one not just put a installer on it?

[winged valley]

Anything that can have multiple partitions and support the NTFS filesystem can have Windows installed on it yes

However the installer will refuse to recognize most flash drives and that's done on purpose

[twin dew]

There is/was Windows feature officially named as Windows-to-Go, but it was discontinued.

[pure karma]

so then to remove OS as a factor i would have to test on linux then cause i dont have time to do a full reset and all that

[winged valley]

liveCD doesn't quite function the same as native install

unless you mean actually installing linux to the flash drive

[feral drift]

Depending on what you want to archive, Ubuntu is probably one of the easier solution to run an OS of a USB stick

And Ubuntu serves a fairly windows look-a-like gui as well

[pure karma]

ik it literally prompts you to keep running off the usb just ubuntu + me = death

so i would prefere not too

plus i dont know linux enough to visually or from feeling know if something isent right

and i dont know any testing softwware thats compatible so it would be a pain

problem is i dont have any throwaway drives that arent USB's or m.2's

[feral drift]

Well - What do u want to archive by running an OS off a USB?

[pure karma]

just a fresh install for temporary testing

without having the wipe my entire regular one

and then having to spend a month installing shit again

[mental oriole]

Arch. Join the suffering.

[pure karma]

ehhh i could but im too lazy

maybe if im bored some time i will

[feral drift]

Well if its the same system you're wiping over and over.. You could explore the use of Unattended installation of Windows - then you can pre-package the installation with drivers, anti-virus ect. so your next format isn't as tedious

[pure karma]

logging in to 31283192 apps is still a thing

even if they are installed automatically

[feral drift]

Well.. sounds like a solution for AutoIt :D

[pure karma]

i was thinking about it and maybe i should dual boot windows and windows so have one be stripped of the garbage for gaming and so on, and one be normal for productivity and stuff

[tribal kraken]

I installed Win11 at Christmast for 9800X3D and plan to do it fresh tonight too for 9950X3D. Dunno if going to see any difference but thats what they recommend for the dual CCD CPUS, that the core parking works correctly. And want the Windows on the new Samsung 9100 Pro drive too.

[pure karma]

realistically the best option would be to teardown both my computers, sell what works, throw away the rest,and get a life but at the same time i still need a pc

[night girder]

You knew what you were getting yourself into by going Arch

[mental oriole]

I'm still waiting for my god damned cables

I'm slightly annoyed

Woow

Maybe, maybe not.

My old is a define.

[night girder]

Lian LIIIII

gang.

Lian Li doesn't like swedes?

That sounds like a fire hazard.

especially with Nvidia GPU 😉

Interesting. (Cables backside of board.) B850

Asrock also has a "cableless" mobo.

Not sure what type though. But interesting idea.

But how do you find cases that are compatible with such boards 😒

Because your case need different holes for the cables if the cables are from the back of the board.

kit can't share without cables 😄

Ah, it seems cases have "Back-connect compatible'" feature for such boards.

asrock

[twin dew]

IIRC it was Asus making first expo-promo board like that too.

Basically that GPU power thing is extension of that, to not have any cables on the "front" side anymore.

[pure karma]

how dumb out of 10 would be ussing a 1TB HDD as a OS drive?

[mental oriole]

Depends if you actually use it to store stuff...

Na

needs admin access 💀

Why does setting a label on a drive require admin access...

Happy now? (:

It's a smiledrive...

C:

No

Steam games.

Nu

I have zero issues :)))

No need. I have another .m2 slot that I can use as a 4tb games drive if I really need

[night girder]

I am getting really annoyed with firefox lately.

[mental oriole]

Not surprised.

[night girder]

constantly doing shit in the background leeching my bandwith without me knowing, then I close firefox, it updates. While I turned auto updates off everywhere.

But every update Firefox put auto update back to enabled or something. Wtf is this practice?

Like fuck sake, what kind of browser for power users is this?

Yeah, it put everything to auto.

Fucking obnoxious again. Every update, it sets itself back to auto update.

Why give people an option to disable auto update, and when they update, it resets that option.

Because that's clearly what people want, who already disabled it in the first place.

I am losing it over here 🤣

It was the last browser I liked.

Look at this shit. Every two days they pushing updates.

[feral drift]

Ewww Firefox - Didn't they go full onboard the "We used to not sell your data, but now we do"

[night girder]

Alternatives? That don't suck?

[feral drift]

Dunno have been pretty happy with DuckDuckGo..

[night girder]

It's not that I want to give up on firefox.

It's just that they do everything in their power to piss off their community it seems.

DuckDuckGo's founder and CEO explained the company was "currently contractually restricted by Microsoft" due to their use of Bing's data to power the DuckDuckGo search engine.[17] In August 2022, however, the company announced that they would block Microsoft trackers.[18]

So, it blocks trackers aslong as it doesn't hamper their legal obligations with microsoft 😦

And DDG is built upon bing. Bing went down a while back and so did DDG.

There goes the credibility of DuckDuckGo.

DDG is better than google imo, just not that innocent/transparent as they want us to believe.

[mental oriole]

0

[mental oriole]

You stole the

[night girder]

Kit missed the chance.

when you asked about ducking cats 🤣

[mental oriole]

Fair

I'm tired.

[night girder]

No worry. Got you covered 👍

[mental oriole]

I am, don't have a foxgirl to cuddle with.

Anyways, back to watchig some cppcon stuff :p

[night girder]

👋

(no idea what CCPcon is)

[mental oriole]

c++ conference talks stuff on yt

[night girder]

C++ 🫣

not touching that language

[mental oriole]

I know it's spooky

[night girder]

Oh CCP also stands for something else hahaha

Communist China Party 🤣

[mental oriole]

Not CCP, CPP

[night girder]

Aah, explains why I get weird images on google haha

[mental oriole]

xD

[night girder]

Sushi. Thai. Or fries. I know what Maxeek is going to answer.

Ok, fries it is.

Well I am hungry.

[pure karma]

im also hungry

but atleast i have food

[night girder]

me too now 😄

[pure karma]

im installing arch because im bored

[night girder]

Ah, Kit, another one 😄

[mental oriole]

Don't blame me if you have issues later

[night girder]

Kit is expert.

Can answer all the Arch linux questions

[mental oriole]

No

[night girder]

Diluted Demonic Kit went offline

[mental oriole]

I don't do support

[night girder]

How did you install it Kit?

There is some sort of installer I read somewhere. Or you can do it all manual if not mistaken.

[pure karma]

i installed it but idk how to boot it lmao

[night girder]

Both are hard, or so I read. Only the installer tries to make it a little more doable for non power users.