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night girder
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Prices might change by then.

visual tree
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But considering everyone is selling similar models like mine for €300, I would not drop the price tbh

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Price will drop to €250 by summer probably

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Or more

night girder
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I wouldn't in the beginning, but if it doesn't sell for a while I would reconsider.

twin dew
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As when the two galaxies have moved away from each other at high enough relative speed, you can have distances that are larger than known age of universe.

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If they are on "opposite" sides of the start point.

visual tree
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Regarding VAT and prices in general, merchants here played our former minister of finance like a fiddle

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They cried how VAT for food is too high and decreasing VAT will alow them to drop the prices for customers

night girder
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i already know what happened

visual tree
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They droped VAT from 25% to 5% for meat afaik and prices didn't drop

night girder
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"It's only for a bit, to recover the losses we made" hehe

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"We will drop prices in time, we promise ✌️"

visual tree
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That's why I am not optimistic if someone promises to reduce VAT and everyone else starts celebrating thinking they will get a new GPU/smartphone or whatever for less money

twin dew
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And the GPU makers etc. might again be spreading the costs of US tariffs over the whole world...
Instead of raising the prices only in US by the amount needed to keep same profit per card.

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Which they later acknowledged they did during last Trump tariffs.

night girder
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🤷‍♂️ It's out of our control.

night girder
visual tree
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Private sector workers barely got any salary increase....

soft bloom
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well, I checked the links and didn't find neither '33.9' nor 'gly' nor 'travel'
but he clearly says that

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pure karma
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what tf does that even mean

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wanton orchid
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this is a number a calculation result
not an absolute position

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or time

charred relic
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A time will come when... you simply can't see it at all from here 🙂

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Well I suppose the expansion could stop but it doesn't show any signs of it.

languid gulch
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also there's this behind him before that screenshot, and he says that the 33Gyr was specifically because of the expansion of the universe

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it took 11.549Gyr for the light to be emitted from the galaxy's location at the time of the light's creation, then the galaxy kept moving in the direction it was already traveling, add in the direction our galaxy (& therefore us) is moving away from it, and finally tack on the expansion of the universe itself. you now have a relative speed greater than the speed of light, which is how it can be 33Gyr away from us right now

charred relic
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heh

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the maths get hard 🙂

languid gulch
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it's also super impressive that they were able to image something only 1600 light years across

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from that far away

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also, oxygen

charred relic
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And just think... of how far back in time we're looking

languid gulch
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290Myr after the big bang

charred relic
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That's just nuts

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might have been dead when the light left it that's here... could be life there heh

languid gulch
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makes me wonder if there were already 3rd gen stars

charred relic
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thing has probably lost a lot of stars since that left left...

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Probably all of them I guess...

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Ah well if there was left there hope they made it out heh

languid gulch
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Not red dwarfs

charred relic
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Good luck ta ya... whoever and whatever you are

languid gulch
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They're all still babies

charred relic
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got my painted enclosure and components yesterday... the green is nice

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kinda dark with metallic flake... can tell they do quick work with the paint though which makes sense I guess with how many they sell

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bit thin but a coat of clear will protect it well enough 😄

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...and make it pop a little more since it'll be a bit more glossy

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and considering the prices for their enclosures im not complainng 😄

languid gulch
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oh i've looked at eGPU enclosures, & i'd honestly rather rig up a laptop charger in a wood box for it

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it's insane that they easily run $400

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i was a bit tempted to try & convert an old 1930s wooden radio furniture piece into a pc during this week's pc hardware swaparounds

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the one i have is my grandma's and it even has a fabric middle, so i could probably rig some fans on it for decent airflow

languid gulch
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i like seeing custom stuff that people do

charred relic
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I'll probably be throwing some stuff that isn't in enclosures yet on the auditorum board once i build that tomorrow

charred relic
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The "official" name for the board I'm building for that is "The Little Green Scream Machine"... and it's based on a TS-808 (or 9 with a chip swap) pedal that is green (different shade). So no matter what I call it green will be fitting.

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Might stick with Green Scream Machine because the Six Flags here has an old wooden coaster called The Scream Machine

twin dew
feral drift
# pure karma what tf does that even mean

Googled the error - threw me into OBS Forum, where this respond was available:

It's either a GPU driver or GPU hardware issue. If you reinstalled the most current driver and the issue persists, it's most certainly a hardware error. Revert overclocking, check overheating, check cabling and power supply. If it really persists, your GPU hardware or motherboard may be defective.
twin dew
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And that matches MagicZ:s computer very closely, that is is completely fucked on HW or OS level.

feral drift
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Well doubt he is the only :D

Got no pictures - but a friend of mine though he had to use the entire Thermal Paste tube when installing his CPU - resulting in Motherboard, RAM, IO was covered in thermal paste :D

twin dew
feral drift
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So, frankly.. Not worth trying to help as it seems - and to be very straight forward

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Can always forward to The Verge PC Building Guide 😁

twin dew
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IIRC last time he got new HW and wanted to start OC, I told "Don't use more than X volts on this rail".
And couple of hours to days later he told he was got Y frequency with Z voltage where that voltage was significantly above what I had said to not go over.
And then later he had HW damage on that part.

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As the same settings didn't work anymore.

feral drift
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To take an IRL term into a PC term... F*** Around and Find Out

dire igloo
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I like to think that that's a tech term that made it to IRL

feral drift
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Either way... Fits the description :)

dire igloo
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Anyways, dude ain't finding out, dude's just fucking around and making it our problem

twin dew
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He is even kind of proud on how many GPUs he has broken by not learning that putting the OC utility voltage sliders to max value isn't safe without LN or like, if even then.

dire igloo
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I mean, it's definitely something to be proud of if it made you smarter and taught you stuff about OC

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Breaking GPUs to learn about their limits - but MagicZ is breaking GPUs out of stupidity and negligence

twin dew
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And CPUs, that "don't use more than X volts" was CPU OC.

verbal raft
soft bloom
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but really, what is this metric even for? the 33.9Gyr

twin dew
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So billion times the distance light travels in a year.

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Normal units in astronomy:
Meters/kilometers for very small distances.
Astronomical Units (AU, the average distance of Earth from Sun) for in-system distances.
Light-years for anything outside single solar system.

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Parsec in some uses, which is defined by AU and arc-second, and is about 3.26 light-years.

pure karma
twin dew
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That was Nvidia driver issue?
Where the driver had some kind of data corruption and passed bad data back to OBS.

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Or OBS tried to use device ID that wasn't Nvidia device.

pure karma
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its likely that but idk why it would be causing games to crash along with it after exactly 7 seconds of starting to record every time

twin dew
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OBS asked NVENC on Nvidia drivers to start encoding something using physical device X.
Nvidia driver said back: hey, that isn't Nvidia device.

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Either because OBS made mistake, or because there was data corruption in either Nvidia drivers, or OBS.

soft bloom
twin dew
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Ah, didn't notice it was Gyr, and not GLy.

twin dew
twin dew
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Billions of years.

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So the current distance from the other galaxy at this time, when calculated with some presumptions, is 33 billion light-years.
And the light from that galaxy that we are currently receiving left that galaxy 11.5 billion years ago.

inner prism
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what is the power output of a biomass generator vs the ones in the base

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soft bloom
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like if we draw something on an expanding baloon at the constant speed (measure with rubber wheels),
we spend 11cm of ink/paint, but when we measure from the start it will span 33cm arc
the 1/2pi cm raidus wheel made 11 full revolutions
yet we won't say ''thus brush traveled 33cm"

twin dew
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And you are again confusing two statements.
Light traveled for 11.5 G years.
Current estimated distance between that galaxy and our own right now is 33 G light-years.

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Because currently received light is 11.5G years old, and both galaxies have moved since then.

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But any light that galaxy is currently emitting, if it is still emitting, will by that estimation only hit this galaxy in 33 G years, if this galaxy still exists then.

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Well, 33G years or more, from this galaxy moving away during that time, adding to that travel time.

cyan crescent
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Ive kinda realized something, as nice as my pc looks fully custom watercooled, i do think im going back to all air on my next build due to convenience.

charred relic
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And we at least seem to have a pretty firm understanding and way to read how fast something is moving out there by the red shift so...

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What messes with mah brain is all the stuff out there we can NEVER seen from this location

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Then again I suppose it appears to all be the same stuff, we really only assume what's outside our sight is the same because so far everywhere we can see it's...the same

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Still though it's almost like from this perspective none of it even exists...

night girder
cyan crescent
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I dont have to drain the loop as there is no loop

night girder
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AIO hehe

cyan crescent
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Nah

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My gpu and cpu is fully custom watercooled right now.

dire igloo
soft bloom
twin dew
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So the specific youtuber made mistake?
So what?

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Youtube is full of shitty youtubers and their shitty content?

soft bloom
night girder
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Don't mean they are shitty youtubers, the hell did you go from 0 to 100 on that 🤣

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and I say this because the person you are talking about, isn't a shitty Youtuber at all.

twin dew
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I didn't say if that specific youtuber was shitty or not.
Only that he made a mistake.
And then that Youtube has lot of bad content in general, from clickbaiting etc. people.

night girder
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Yeah, it's called being human xD

twin dew
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And I didn't at any point even try to say that that specific youtuber is shitty or not.
I just said he made a mistake.
And then about general quality of youtube as source, where you need to keep close eye in general.

dire igloo
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Either "oh yeah you're right, it is misleading" or "y'all dumbfucks clearly don't know what you're talking about" or whatever

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Just anything to indicate that they were made aware of it

night girder
dire igloo
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Because it is? It's not hard to find shitty content on YouTube

night girder
verbal raft
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wow
people are way more optimistic than i thought

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dire igloo
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But yeah, the insinuation in this instance is a bit drastic

dire igloo
verbal raft
charred relic
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Mmmm warming up a bit... time to get started soon

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the auditorium board isn't going to populate itself 😄

gilded helm
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Zen X3D laptops remain unobtanium 😭

verbal raft
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i love the One 4060 vote though

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soft bloom
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I think I am lost in what message replies to which

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anyway... I am thinking of dropping a link to a 'report' on Siberia's plum
been monitoring author for quite some time and it know it could cause some drama, which I don't want
so... how should I do?
oh, i know, I can just say earth save science collaborative report search query should lead to the page with said report.
soooo, yeah, my humble way of not starting heated conversation

soft bloom
night girder
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Yesterday megekko (dutch hardware shop) released their own designed mouse. There was backlash, a lot of it, let's see if anyone can spot why. This is their self designed mouse:

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This is their design sketches hehe

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twin dew
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Because it is another MS IntelliMouse 3.0 copy? Like Razer DeathAdder?

night girder
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I think you are very close. Maybe even right. But, the backlash was indeed. It isn't a self designed mouse. It's a whitelabel mouse.

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Here is another self designed mouse hehe

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People were so pissed off. Because the sketches is all marketing bullshit. They designed jack shit 🤣

gilded helm
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Reminds me of all the people taking credit for the art they made with AI prompts.

night girder
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And they (megekko) ask 70 euro for it!

twin dew
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Specced what exact switched to use maybe, and where exactly to put the logo.

night girder
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And Tweakers went crazy with it. Article got updated today because of backlash 😄

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That intex one is 16 euro.

gilded helm
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It's the light strip placement that gives it away

night girder
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and the buttons? And the grip pattern on left side.

gilded helm
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Button placement and grip placement are samey enough that it won't stand out instantly. Mousewheel and center buttons look almost identical to the G502X for instance.

night girder
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Anyway, it brought forth a discussion, is it ok, to buy whitelabel hardware, put your own brand on it, and claim you designed it?

twin dew
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But yes, that "designed" is complete bullshit.

night girder
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There are a few differences that I spotted though.

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The cable is braided and the left mouse button has a spacer/gap

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vs the amazon one.

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twin dew
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I would expect current production originals also to have the same, and the pic just be of older minor variant.

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Basically injection molding dies cost hundreds of thousands each.

night girder
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Omg, tweakers are buying the mouse and reading "res/Language/lan.xml " etc to see what country it's comming from.

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So far we have Chinese and Russian.

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not familiar with res/Language/lan.xml in a mouse

night girder
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"What type of cable do you want?" "What mouse sensor do you want?" "What switches..." etc.

twin dew
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Yeah, but I meant that tiny gap in the buttons.

night girder
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Ah 😄

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Yeah, I don't get it where there is a gap there?

twin dew
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Yes, the electronic components and cable etc. are easy to change.
The molding not so much.
There are probably changeable space in the back for the logo to be swapped with small per customer partial die.

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Or that whole back between the RGB strips might be per customer.

night girder
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Another issue; tweakers and megekko are very close.

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Since tweakers gave them an award twice for being ""best"" webshop, people question how neutral and unbiased the tweaker reporters are about megekko and their products.

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And they didn't do any fact checking on the megekko mouse. Just published the marketing talk from megekko. It was users who found out about the whitelabel.

jagged snow
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This is something I've never seen from a non-reasoning model before:

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night girder
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My experience is so bad for AI and regex.

jagged snow
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The thing is, it's right about the regex

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I didn't use it to build the regex, I did that myself

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Just for some reason I can't get the regex to work in my application

night girder
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Then why did it give you a fix.

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And then says: "wait actually, the original regex is correct".

soft bloom
night girder
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It's tripping.

jagged snow
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Yup

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The "fix" was the regex in the original code snippett too

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console.log((/^\d{1, 2}$/).test("65")) returns false for me though

night girder
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I sometimes ask for oneliners, and the AI gave me two or three functions. Then I correct the AI and ask for 1 fucntion. It gives me two again. Then I asked "How many functions did I ask? How many functions did you provide?" ... that's the point the AI gets "interesting".

soft bloom
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I'm no expert of regex, but that extra space seems like it could cause trouble

night girder
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"You asked for 1 function, I gave you two functions, I am sorry."

jagged snow
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In the [1, 2]?

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Oh, yup

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That was it

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I've been fighting this for like half an hour lol

night girder
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hehe AI sucks.

jagged snow
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Ai was sorta my last resort

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Because the regex evaluator I was using to check if it worked was saying it matched

night girder
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Sometimes you get exactly what you need and want with minimal effort. Sometimes you get led down a rabbit hole.

night girder
jagged snow
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Yup

night girder
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It's not because a regex works on 101 that it works in every language (java, ts,js, python etc).

jagged snow
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Yeah, I'm aware

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Just 101 is usually a good starting place

night girder
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It depends on the APi you use, Java loves to escape, so a lot of //^.+//\/\ stuff xD

jagged snow
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And I didn't think to check the space

night girder
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Yeah, I love 101 too.

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But honestly, I wonder how efficient regex is vs just coding.

jagged snow
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Depends

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For giant matches, definitely better

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Like password verification

night girder
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You can split thigns with regex, but you can also do it pure code.

night girder
jagged snow
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Yes, but it's a lot more pain to have to loop through and check for upper, lower, special character, number, and min length, especially if your requirements might change
I like it but it still sucks ig

night girder
jagged snow
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Can be terrible or not so bad afaik
It also really depends on the environment you're in

night girder
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Just wonder if the regex engine creates more overhead or not.

jagged snow
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I'm sure there's some
But for really complex matches it might be more effecient than whatever you do yourself

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And frankly I worry less about those small effeciency changes than the big stuff y'know

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Because there's always a big inefficiency lurking around that's 10000x the slowdown of your string verification

night girder
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I take those things into consideration while I program.

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Not that I make a big deal out of it, but I was thinking abotu it this week since I was also using regex. "Am I doing the best thing here?"

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"Maybe there is a simpler way, more efficient way, than using regex for my use case" etc...

jagged snow
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I generally try to as well
I've just learned that it's better to get a project off the ground than spend so much time optimizing prematurely that it never makes it to completion, which I have done to myself

night girder
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The same as using a database or use a simple file to store away some data. So many things to decide.

jagged snow
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This current project is a fairly complex mobile app where I'm solo developer on absolutely everything

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So I've had to prioritize just getting it done

night girder
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Yeah, I get that. It frustrates me if I don't feel like I made any progres during a full day of coding.

jagged snow
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Yup
But sometimes you get those days where it feels like everything is paying off, and that's great

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And sometimes you break things 💀
I realized my dev build had put in several thousand read requests to the db during around an hour of testing yesterday because of a side effect loop lol

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And that took me a really long time to track down
Turned out there was just no default empty array provided for the elements of a dropdown

night girder
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I hit a little snag in Tauri lately. Spend days trying to figure it out. Eventually it seems a bug in Tauri (or one of the libraries Tauri is using) for macOS specifically. I made a clean project and was able to reproduce the bug 100%. So I was sure it wasn't my code breaking it.

jagged snow
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Oh yeah, that's no fun

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I the library I wanted to use for web video playback in react native was causing me problems similar to that.

night girder
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Yeah, it has to do with the app being in focus and the mouse cursor. It's different when the app is in focus and not in focus. But I had to admit defeat. I have no control over the mouse cursor sadly on macOS.

jagged snow
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Oof, yeah

night girder
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So now I am working around that, because I wanted to use the mouse cursor to give feedback to user.

jagged snow
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That's no fun

night girder
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Not really no, just hate it when things our out of my control ...

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in the context of coding that is and building a app.

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Because I know electron (different framework than Tauri) can do it. I have full control over the mouse cursor in electron. But then I have to ship 300mb app. So it has drawbacks.

jagged snow
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Because you're basically shipping chromium 😄

night girder
jagged snow
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I'm actually pretty happy with it so far

night girder
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and the only option left is react native.

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But then I have to install xcode so I can use it's development mode for react native. And to build the actual .app.

jagged snow
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The performance isn't stellar, but ease of development is nice, the ecosystem is great, and the featureset works very well for me

night girder
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But it should give me a native macOS app afaik.

jagged snow
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If you use expo you can do macos/iOS dev entirely without xcode

night girder
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What is expo?

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and can I also build app for publishing?

jagged snow
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Yup

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Expo is a 3rd party that offers a ton of support for "bare" react native, including a ton of open-source packages, build/update servers with free & paid plans at extremely reasonable pricing

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Most react native projects are really leaning quite heavily on the work of expo

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Oops

night girder
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checking it out atm.

jagged snow
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But yeah, using their servers I can do iOS dev/simulator/prod builds and develop entirely on windows

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Their sdk is pretty great

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When I first started using them iirc the sdk didn't have full macos support but to the best of my knowledge they have full macos support now

night girder
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I could just try xcode. But I dread the signing process of Apple hehe

jagged snow
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Man

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I had to use openssh in wsl to sign my apple builds since I don't have a mac 🤣

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that was such a pain

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They really don't want you to be able to publish without keytool/keychain

night girder
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They really don't want us to publish at all, or so it feels

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And then you have their paid subscription too.

jagged snow
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Yeah

night girder
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I don't mind if my app gets marked as suspicious, you can still open it in the filevault on macOS.

jagged snow
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The fact that you have to pay for the privelage of publishing an app so they can take a huge cut of all your revenue 😄

night girder
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Me: "Hey, I am a developer and I want to contribute to your eco-system."
Apple: "Hey, that's super sweet of you that you want to help us. But in order for you to help us, you need a yearly subscription" hehe

jagged snow
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Yup 🤣

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Also the fact that you can't publish internal testing builds if they have issues

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My project had one specific submenu that we were aware could crash under certain conditions and they blocked it from release to internal testing on testflight until that was resolved

night girder
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Yeah, they want to uphold the quality of the apps I guess.

jagged snow
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I guess 😄

night girder
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thing is, you don't need to be on the apple store.

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plenty of apps that* are not listed there and are well known in the community.

charred relic
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I don't buy or even need/use a lot of mobile apps personally

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There's a good PAR light meter app that's useful... amplitube but that's not a standard app

gilded helm
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Is 8GB on a phone fine these days? I know someone looking at an 8GB S23 Ultra. THey're very convinced that setting aside 8GB of their SSD as virtual memory is fine versus going for 12GB.

charred relic
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I dunno I'm still chugging along with 6

jagged snow
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Google just shipped a brand-new pixel with 8gb

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So you should be alright

gilded helm
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He's looking at an s23 ultra for $725 it appears

jagged snow
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Oh wow

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New?

gilded helm
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New

jagged snow
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IYou can buy them for 318usd on amazon right now

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(refurb)

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There's no way whatsoever that I'd pay anything above 400 for that phone I don't think

gilded helm
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US model

jagged snow
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Yup, amazon only sells us models refurb in the us

gilded helm
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I don't know I think about buying phones so I can't talk him out of the paranoia factor of buying something not new. Going cheap on USB cables is one thing, but I respect his belief that if something goes wrong with the phone, it's not such an easy swap. His money 🤷

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I'm enjoying my Pixel 9 Pro XL. I still miss my LG v60 with its dual screen case though.

jagged snow
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Yes, but at 325 he could literally replace it once and still be money ahead compared to buying it new 😄

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That's my argument usually

gilded helm
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It's not something I've had to think about because AT&t keeps offering me deals good enough to keep the marriage.

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This guy is disabled though, so that money will go a long way for him if he opts to save it, I'm a little surprised

jagged snow
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I'm on a budget carrier so I've only ever bought my own phones

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I pay like 15usd/month for wireless and the most I've ever paid for a phone is like $250

pure karma
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i dont think i have a single piece of tech worth that little congrats

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The cheapest thing i own is probably my switch

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altho one nice thing about staying technologically behind is you always have loads of options

jagged snow
pure karma
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my entire computer was your recommendations so thats a self roast bur fair enough 🤣

jagged snow
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My reccomendations?

pure karma
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you and golden specced basically everything other than case and psu

jagged snow
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So like
Cpu, gpu, mobo?

pure karma
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Yep

jagged snow
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Don't I remember you specifically not buying what was reccomended or is that a different time?

pure karma
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i think golden was the one that recommended my storage tho

pure karma
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if i recall

jagged snow
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Anyways

pure karma
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Yea im heading to bed its midnight

languid gulch
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is there any Framework-like mobile phone company?

feral drift
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Not sure how to categorize my rig anymore, after seeing the requirement for a Ultra High-End PC..

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languid gulch
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Supercomputer?

gilded helm
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That's gotta be sarcasm

mental oriole
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Ultra low end more like it

languid gulch
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one of the comments nailed it

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it's missing a comma

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"Ultra High, End PC"

mental oriole
dire igloo
dire igloo
languid gulch
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phone's nearing 5 years old, & the battery's turning kinda crap, so i'm starting to look for a replacement in the next year-ish. might just take it to a shop that'll swap the battery if it's possible & not insanely expensive

#

plus it's an unlocked galaxy, which i love, none of my carrier software garbage

gilded helm
#

My friend ended up settling on a used S23 Ultra 12GB

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From an unknown third party seller on Walmart 🤞

dire igloo
#

Used flagships is such an awesome recommendation for buying phones

#

In 2019, I got myself a barely used 128GB Galaxy Note 9 with several protective covers and complete accessories for about 330€ total
Served me exceptionally well for over 3 years of heavy use until the battery health was no longer sufficient for what I needed from it

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In late 2022, I replaced it with a brand new Poco F5 as my daily driver but still kept it as a webcam and 2FA utility

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One of my proudest purchase decisions to this very day

languid gulch
#

yea i think i was just not doing the 80-20 range for too long, plus it's almost 5 years old

dire igloo
#

Yeah, that 80-20 range was uhhhhhhh not followed too closely

languid gulch
#

k, stupid question time

#

mildly related

dire igloo
languid gulch
#

can you swap out the wifi chip on a phone and upgrade it

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my new pc has wifi7 on it, & the connection is like 10x more reliable & faster than wifi5

#

wondering if i could do the same with my current phone

twin dew
languid gulch
#

& i suspect 6e isn't that much more amazing than wifi6

twin dew
dire igloo
#

Yeah, this. Onboard wifi with PCs is almost always crappy

languid gulch
#

yea probably

#

it's also having to penetrate thru walls and a gigantic HVAC unit

dire igloo
#

And even the chinesium looking wifi modules use some proper Intel chips inside of them like BE200

#

Ethernet >>> WLAN

languid gulch
#

yea, good luck dragging a hard line 20m thru an attic & walls

#

& actually with the wifi7, it's as fast as a hardline

#

at least in this application

dire igloo
#

Worked well, tho bigger houses make this more complicated

languid gulch
#

yea with me it'd involve running cable from one end of the house to the other

dire igloo
#

My parents had a patch panel in the basement that connected to all the rooms in the house.
In hindsight, very rare feature in residential buildings yet super handy

twin dew
#

Been mandatory for any new builds or big rebuilds in Finland for about 10 years.

languid gulch
#

yea, thinking about doing something similar, but man it'd be expensive

#

plus god knows if they actually make stuff that can handle the heat here

twin dew
#

Hitting over 100C regularly?

#

For surface temperatures for materials?

languid gulch
#

uhhhh possible actually 🤣

#

at least in the summer

twin dew
#

In the places the cables would be, so probably not in direct sunlight.

languid gulch
#

i know the attic hits 60C

twin dew
#

And more expensive insulators used in cables are good to 250C or so.

languid gulch
#

i suspect that the labour would be more expensive than the parts in any case

twin dew
#

Crappiest are 85C IIRC, common better ones are that 125C, and then high temperature range ones are up to 250C.

languid gulch
#

trying to get to every room in the house, plus all the drilling through studs & headers would be a pain in the ass

twin dew
#

And ethernet cables don't really self-heat, so only ambient really matters.

dire igloo
#

meanwhile PoE

twin dew
#

Ok, that.

languid gulch
#

🤣

#

maybe it'll be a long term project thing

#

also because i want hard lined security cameras/sensors

#

what i'd really love to see is buildings start to add in 12v low power wiring

twin dew
languid gulch
#

really? i thought they'd benefit from it instead of having to add in drivers everywhere

twin dew
#

Power losses in the cables.

languid gulch
#

ah, distances are too far?

twin dew
#

Better LED systems are already 24V and not 12V for same reason.

#

That even inside same room it already gets bad with 12V.

#

Unless you use very thick cables.

languid gulch
#

well damn, that sucks

#

someone get on that Tesla wireless power asap

dire igloo
languid gulch
#

yup

#

cuz man it'd suck to have to run both power & ethernet like that

dire igloo
#

I love PoE

#

Never used it for any non-work applications, but I still love it

languid gulch
#

i tried out PowerLine stuff, it was meh at best

#

of course that's entirely reliant on the quality of the grounding system of the property

dire igloo
#

Powerline in general is wonky

#

It's what you use when neither Ethernet nor WLAN works

#

There's also the TV cable equivalent of powerline, idk what that is called.
But about the same range of issues

night girder
#

I was trying to play a game I haven't played in a while. Got 6 FPS at the menu. Me; "wtf did they do to my game".

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Go check my graphic settings, and the fucker was taking iGPU hehe

mental oriole
#

Hate when that happens :))

pure karma
wanton orchid
#

and here we go for release candidate number 8th I guess

tribal kraken
#

UFF😬 Unicorn spotted. Finnish retailer has 2pcs. Gigabyte Gaming OC 5090s on stock! BUT, you are forced to buy Intel Z890 Aorus Elite motherboard bundled with it. 3399,90€

night girder
#

A bit unexpecting, first time I see this happen in a game.

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So I had to powerpoint slide through the menu at 6 FPS to get select other GPU 😛

pure karma
#

Its painful on games that dont have GPU selection so like 90% of my library

#

I should really just turn it off but im too lazy to go in the bios

glossy glacier
#

thats more an OS job?
go to Settings > System > Display > Graphic, search the game and select the gpu

twin dew
#

That just sets the order in which the OS presents the various GPUs to any program asking for listing.

night girder
#

The problem I described, for AOW4, isn't OS related at all. If it was OS problem, then all my games should boot up with integrated as default.

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And windows did set the correct GPU.

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Anyway, I already forgave the game. I made dark elven faction, that heals by eating the corpses of my enemies. And then the game gave my lord a unicorn 🤣

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So now my evil dark elfish lord is riding a unicorn into battle, love it.

#

Time to let the dog out for a walk👋

charred relic
#

I watched Popeye the Slayer Man last night hoping it'd be bad enough that it's good. It was just...bad.

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As far as horror goes the effects guys did a decent job considering I can't imagine it had much of a budget. Acting was hit and miss...

night girder
#

what a surprise

astral field
pure karma
#

if you dont get hit with intel degradation that will easily do high end gaming for the next 4 years

#

its terible value so your going to probably get flamed in about a minute but yea its good otherwise

dire igloo
dire igloo
#

Plus:
"Futureproofing" is an urban myth

#

Cooler, Mainboard, RAM and SSD are still bad choices in this build even if I ignore their price.
CPU and GPU can be too because they depend heavily on the usecase

pure karma
#

im surprised you are even giving the 5070 a chance knowing you

dire igloo
#

So I have to give it a chance, simply for a lack of contrary info

#

But that's also why I explicitly mentioned the usecase to be important

pure karma
#

for gaming

dire igloo
#

There's another important factor not being considered here:
People using US PCPP while not actually in the US

pure karma
#

true but it defaults to US each time so its a easy miss

dire igloo
#

Yup, I don't blame people for not knowing that

night girder
#

I don't think you need 1000W.

charred relic
#

But Microcenter has a sweet 1300

#

that doesn't leave much of a budget left on that circuit heh... considering a standard circuit in homes here is 15A

night girder
#

TDP: 250 W - Suggested PSU: 600 W

I wonder how they calculate the suggested PSU. Because they can calculate for current generation motherboard + cpu + gpu. But what about next generations hehe

charred relic
#

I got a 850 for 120 😄

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I figured that'd keep me through at least the next GPU upgrade

night girder
#

Wait, pcpartpicker does this for us. 😮

tribal kraken
#

yeah and it seem to give out ok values

night girder
#

Yeah.

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Double checking as we speak.

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For CPU it's
TDP: 125 W
PL1: 253 W
PL2: 253 W

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GPU:
TDP: 250 W

languid gulch
night girder
#

Part Picker even can give details.

#

So, in theory, a 700W PSU should be enough?

tribal kraken
#

Should be.

night girder
#

12.5% headroom left. For spikes hehe

dire igloo
night girder
#

Also, 20 Cores for gaming? I hope you need those cores for the technical school applications.

dire igloo
night girder
#

because for light gaming, 20 cores is overkill.

dire igloo
#

Shit's running at 1.35V at most

dire igloo
night girder
#

Oh shit Baldur is typing

twin dew
#

Just about that RAM power, but have to confirm first.

#

Mine is using 5-6W each at 1.40V when reported by the PMICs, when extremely loaded, about 1.2W each right now gaming.

#

DDR5 RAM.

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But basically that kind of calculators use worst case numbers with extra headroom on top.

night girder
#

Don't maufacturers tell Watt for RAM?

dire igloo
tribal kraken
#

For my RAM kit the PCPP wattege is 94W 😂

night girder
#

Damn, hard to find data.

tribal kraken
#

HWinfo shows max about 5W per stick total

dire igloo
#

Anyways, it's a gross overestimation, same with GPU manufacturers recommended PSU spec

night girder
#

Yeah, I am looking intot he manual of the RAM. Jack shit so far.

#

They could calculate consumption for profiles no?

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dire igloo
#

These companies would rather have you waste $20 on a higher wattage PSU than risk legal fees because some guy's PC failed from insufficient wattage

twin dew
#

5W is safe value to use.
Actual is usually lower.

night girder
#

Where do you get that number Baldur? Besides experience 😉

dire igloo
pure karma
twin dew
#

Various threads around over years I can find, and the numbers HWiNFO shows from the RAM PMICs.

night girder
#

So, a consumer can't really know beforehand, just by reading specification/manuals.

twin dew
night girder
#

I don't find it trivial if you want to build a PC and do it proper. hehe

twin dew
night girder
#

Imagine, you never build a PC before, you get the consumption for your GPU/CPU from reading specs, and the rest of the parts it just a bit of guessing, googling, asking or experience. Or using tools. But you have no clue where tools get data from.

twin dew
#

For specific Crucial DIMMs.
Less for other.s

night girder
#

Also, power consumption changes with profile no?

pure karma
#

im so impressed but its pascal so i really shouldent

#

How TF is a GTX 1070 doing high lumen without a care in the world

#

gpu reporting has to just be broken

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ik its mostly cpu intensive but no shot

night girder
#

"3rd party tools that rely on our ADL SDK for detecting ROPs count will incorrectly report 64 ROPs."

#

🤣

#

AMD double checking if the API gives the correct ROP count to avoid trouble int he future.

languid gulch
#

fucking hell what a needle to nvidia 🤣

glossy basin
#

good pc specs for the game?

verbal raft
glossy basin
#

1500

verbal raft
glossy basin
#

satisfactory will be the only game that i play

#

and i would preferably want an it’s build

#

i jst can’t figure out the parts

visual tree
#

Why didn't I read the news earlier and looked through the window 😭

#

Most comments say it's SpaceX dumping excess fuel

verbal raft
night girder
visual tree
glossy basin
verbal raft
#

and as for the GPU
i'd go for the 9070 XT

#

that + a case shouldnt go above 1500

#

(if you can find the 9070 XT at its MSRP of 600)

glossy basin
#

what abt the cpu

verbal raft
tribal kraken
#

it opens empty list

glossy basin
languid gulch
verbal raft
verbal raft
languid gulch
#

just get a 9950X3D & run graphics off the iGPU

tribal kraken
#

😄

languid gulch
#

(i'm kidding, for the love of god never do that)

verbal raft
tribal kraken
#

Satisfactory would benefit from X3D CPUS but but with that budget its maybe better put in to GPU..

languid gulch
#

i did build one with a 5700X3D, but i wonder if that's starting to get a bit old

verbal raft
#

Cuz there ZEN 5 standard = ZEN 4 X3D

#

ZEN 5 3D would've been the best

#

Of course

languid gulch
#

7800XT is a 9070XT msrp placeholder, $1480 total

#

maybe the extra $20 for a wireless card

#

& yes, the 9900X because an extra $100ish ain't gonna get you the next tier up in GPU

languid gulch
#

in any case, $1500 these days doesn't just get you something decent, it bumps into "really nice" as far as i'm concerned

winged valley
#

I think I'm staying with my 3080ti until AMD puts our a card that outperforms it in raster by at least 50% which doesn't seem to be happening soon

winged valley
languid gulch
#

we did have a discussion yesterday about how trash onboard wifi is 🤣

#

but yes

jagged snow
#

This, every windows update

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I found that on new installs the documents/photos folders pinned in explorer are not the actual folders, but onedrive folders

languid gulch
#

it wouldn't be quite so bad if it wasn't deliberately unlabled & misleading

jagged snow
#

Yup

languid gulch
#

k, updated it to a wifi mobo, and from 48 to 64gb ram landing at $1501.57

#

12 core cpu, top 10 gpu, 64gb ram, 1tb ssd, fully modular psu. feels kinda nuts for $1500

astral field
charred relic
#

meinkraft

#

I noticed on the latest vanilla version it didn't take eons to load a texture pack which is about time. Not sure when they did that I so rarely play vanilla.

glossy glacier
jagged snow
#

🤷‍♂️ I don't recall doing that, it was on a laptop so that might have something to do with it

glossy glacier
#

Might be a factory preset then yes

#

But if you want to disable it I found it easier to just reinstall windows then unfuck whatever settings they use

charred relic
languid gulch
#

i hate that gif

charred relic
jagged snow
languid gulch
#

the ram retraining on AM5 scares me

charred relic
#

It can be a big nerve raking

languid gulch
#

pc brain farted cuz i hadn't restarted it in like 2 weeks

charred relic
#

As long as it does it's thing and boots 😄

languid gulch
#

yea, just scary

#

i almost pulled the plug again & then i remembered it can take like 10 minutes

tough owl
#

No more appendix for me

charred relic
#

RIP appendix

dire igloo
#

More cores ≠ more fps

#

Can actually have the opposite effect due to cross-CCX latency

dire igloo
#

Plus: that mainboard is the absolute bare minimum, if you're investing extra money anywhere, put it there and not in the CPU

languid gulch
#

by all means do an X3D build for $1500 then

dire igloo
#

Now, the other parts:
SSD is junk, don't ever buy that and especially don't ever recommend it.
RAM is also quite shitty under the hood - plus, why Corsair and why RGB?
Case is a tad overpriced but ultimately fine
$87 for a 650W PSU is too much

dire igloo
languid gulch
#

they said their target was $1500, didn't specify location

feral drift
dire igloo
languid gulch
#

also a few of those parts were picked out by someone else in here, i was just copying it over

#

SSD, PSU

dire igloo
languid gulch
#

by all means do a build of your own

#

nobody's stopping you

dire igloo
languid gulch
#

again, feel free to do your own & share it

dire igloo
#

and we're talking like $150 for a 4tb drive when the starts at around $200

languid gulch
#

don't shit on my attempt, go for something better

#

i'd love to see it

dire igloo
#

Aight

charred relic
dire igloo
#

Going with a similar set of assumptions: no aesthetic preference, US market, no Microcenter

dire igloo
charred relic
#

That is just saying what is is connected to

dire igloo
#

Gen5x2 = Gen4x4

charred relic
#

now how it's connected...

#

Still fast either way

languid gulch
#

also i jumped from a sata ssd to a gen5 nvme, & the only real speed difference i've noticed is KSP loading about 2 minutes faster

dire igloo
#

Especially GPU and cases

charred relic
#

I have a couple of NVMe's, 4TB + 1TB. couple of SATA SSD's, 500GB/250GB and a M2 in a USB 3 enclosure that's 500GB

dire igloo
#

Like, shiiiit

charred relic
#

i don't put much on the SATA's other than some backups and VM's

dire igloo
#

But anyways, $1520 with x3d CPU, better PSU, hynix die RAM and an SSD that doesn't wanna kill itself

#

That said, I had to cut down the RAM to 32gb (there's a 64gb in the parametric, but +$60) and go for a different still minimum mainboard

charred relic
#

I left a couple of slots free in case I needed more than 2x16 later

#

easy enough to upgrade ram

dire igloo
#

Cuz you'll be crippling your speeds with 2dpc ddr5

languid gulch
dire igloo
#

iirc the default 2dpc speed on zen4 is 3600 MT/s with latencies far beyond standard ddr4 xmp

feral drift
#

Sorta funny to see the brand comparison on US and EU parts..

Popularity in Denmark for CPU cooling is Noctua, be quiet! or Cooler Master..

Memory is Corsair and Kingston pretty much all the way..

Storage is Samsung, Kingston and Western Digital (WD)

Case is usually Corsair, Lian Li and Fractal

Power Supply is pretty much dominated by Corsair

charred relic
#

I think I'll live

dire igloo
dire igloo
#

Also, Teamgroup and Lexar

#

You're running a fckn popularity contest - stupid people do stupid shit, don't follow the hivemind

#

The majority of US voters thought it was a good idea to have a convicted criminal run their country rather than a woman

languid gulch
#

there's also some companies that occasionally put out a product that's legendarily bad for their name, and even when they make good stuff it's not very well known

dire igloo
#

"if they sucked they wouldn't be popular" is only true if buyers are educated

feral drift
#

Well Teamgroup isn't supplied at most PC Part retailers in Denmark example.. I know the brand, but again when it ain't supplied in Denmark, because ppl usually stick with brand they know.. And in this case, when you mention Corsair.. People know the brand (atleast in Denmark) and would rather stick with that, than trying something else

languid gulch
#

there's also oversaturated markets, intentionally done to keep customers in the dark as much as possible

dire igloo
languid gulch
#

and i think we all hate it

dire igloo
mental oriole
languid gulch
#

during the dark times i paid as much for my 6600XT as i did 18 months later for my 6800XT

mental oriole
#

9800x3d for me alone was ~672 usd

#

prices in sweden are fucked

feral drift
mental oriole
#

Same, used corsair for very long, specificly PSU, never failed me.

twin dew
dire igloo
#

Also: with a few exceptions, Corsair products work, nobody doubts that.
However: not having issues is the absolute bare minimum level of quality that a product has to achieve.
For the most part, Corsair's lack of quality comes from their pricing and comparison to the competition - you can have better products for a lower price

twin dew
#

And for any RAM, usable SPD-settings would be nice.
Which Corsair doesn't really provide as they slap the same bottom of the barrel minimum SPD on any of their RAM.
Not based on what the specific chips can do.

#

So with Corsair RAM, if you don't enable XMP/EXPO or do manual tuning, the RAM will run at absolute shit settings.

feral drift
#

But thats the same with any ram stick no?

twin dew
#

All Corsair RAM contains SPDs that are at the slowest JEDEC frequency, at the slowest JEDEC latency set.

#

Not the highest the DIMM can do.

feral drift
#

Fair - Actually though that was default, that you had to enable XMP/EXPO profiles

twin dew
#

So all their DDR4 comes with 2133MT/s SPD speed, even when the DIMM could do 3200MT/s JEDEC.

#

And XMP would tune that up to 3600MT/s for example.

feral drift
#

That part i knew was a problem .. But whenever I've installed Kingston, Corsair, Crucial, G.Skill in the machine, I had to enable the XMP profile for it to get the "true" potential

twin dew
#

Because the marketing spec is usually OC.

#

Point is that the SPD is supposed to be the non-OC max inside JEDEC limits.
And XMP/EXPO is then OC over what JEDEC spec, or stock voltages, allow.

#

For DDR5 for example stock voltage is 1.1V, and XMP is usually with 1.35V.

#

DDR4 was IIRC 1.2V stock and 1.35V was the normal XMP..

dire igloo
twin dew
#

As example, for DDR4, 3200MT/s is max that SPD can be even set at, as that is the highest JEDEC spec frequency.

dire igloo
#

And providing actually decent default specs can alleviate that

#

But Corsair is too fuckin lazy

feral drift
#

Well that part i super true...

Once your brand sells it self.. There is no need to go the extra mile.. And you can become lazy because majority of your consumer is none the wiser

twin dew
#

But it is one of the big points why no-one should buy Corsair RAM if there are alternatives.

dire igloo
#

Corsair's entire business model relies on people being clueless

#

If customers knew their shit, Corsair would be a niche highend PSU brand with some cases

twin dew
#

Other is that you don't even know what RAM chips you will get, as they don't change the SKU based on chips used in any way, just mix on the line.

dire igloo
#

And occasionally they'll sell some RAM in regions with poor availability

twin dew
#

And only slap sticker on the package with additional "Ver X.XX" info that tells that.

dire igloo
#

like 6000cl30 being exclusively hynix

twin dew
#

If you ever try to get more RAM with more sticks and try to get the same exact SKU.
Not that relevant with DDR5 anymore.

#

Almost no-one tells the chips.
But most others at least have weird suffixes of random characters where one or two change when chips change.

#

As example from my MBs memory QVL:
Four Corsair kits that would be under exact same SKU in any shop, with exact same official specs, but have four different RAM dies in use that show up in the actual package when you get it.

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Ok, one was there twice for some reason.

#

So one Samsung, two different Micron die revisions.

#

And there can be more, that is just the variants of same "SKU" which Asus had tested.

#

Same for Kingston, no others with the same low spec in the DB:

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Which would allow you to find KF552C40BBK2-64 or KF552C40BWK2-64 and get quaranteed Hynix dies and manually tune to higher frequency.

#

And avoid KF552C40BWAK2-64 and KF552C40BBAK2-64 which are Micron.

feral drift
#

Here is a take..

I only learned about that Motherboard released a QVL, because I bought a system off a guy, where the RAM was NOT on the QVL of the Motherboard brand, and funny enough resultet in a bunch of Bsod..

But, I seriously doubt that majority of people picking parts for a PC, makes sure to cross reference that the RAM is supported by the Motherboard QVL..

So by picking the more "popular lazy brand" there should be a higher chance that the RAM is automatically supported..

twin dew
#

But allow to see about what chips some specific RAM SKU has/had.

#

Which was the point I was using that for.

#

Just as RAM SKU database with chip manufacturer information, even without die revision info.

dire igloo
#

QVLs are basically a list of "we tested these kits and they worked".
Being on a QVL isn't a guarantee that a kit will work because of undisclosed part swaps.
And on the other hand, not being on a QVL doesn't mean it's guaranteed incompatible - most commonly it means that the MB maker just didn't test the kit

twin dew
#

Yeah, QVL says "This kit worked on our Golden Sample MB unit, with our Golden Sample CPU unit".

#

Not that it will work with YOUR MB unit and YOUR CPU IMC.

dire igloo
dire igloo
twin dew
#

And not being on QVL is mostly just "we don't have sample to test".

feral drift
twin dew
#

More likely about different settings.
Or the original set being damaged.

#

Than QVL vs. non-QVL.

dire igloo
twin dew
#

Inside SPD-settings, the QVLs might be usable.
Once you get into XMP/EXPO and above default RAM voltages, all bets are off and QVL is useless.

verbal raft
dire igloo
#

Imagine it was MagicZ's build

twin dew
#

Yup.

feral drift
dire igloo
#

Exactly. There are too many factors outside of QVL that are far more likely to be the cause

twin dew
#

Basically point was that any shop will just have one "product" for 3+ different Corsair actual products, as they all have exact same SKU, with just "Ver X.XX" extra label.
And for Kingston, there will be four different products.

dire igloo
tribal kraken
#

User error? 😂

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#

Tempered glass sharp corner kissed stone floor

#

My O11D glass panels have had something to hit them over the years but did not explode that easy. Well its 20€ for new one

twin dew
#

I just hate that most higher-end cases don't have windowless side panel versions anymore at all.

tribal kraken
#

For DIY solution it might work to heat the glue on these and try to remove the remaining glass. Then replace with polycarbonate, aluminum or steel sheet

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dire igloo
#

Duct Tape, woo-hoo

mental oriole
#

I prefer all metal cases 🙂

mental oriole
tribal kraken
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Yeah had it happen on tractor cabin too. Just hit something with snowplow and windscreen explodes middle of snowstorm

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From just temperature difference and some odd tension left to it

dire igloo
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It's funny how many people I've met that insisted that they don't care about aesthetics only to get mad when I put an RGB case, a GPU with lights and a B650 LiveMixer in their build

pure karma
feral drift
uncut flicker
tribal kraken
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Fits on top too for 480 rads

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3D printer too works for some

dire igloo
tribal kraken
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That is Core P5. P3 is bit smaller

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Think you can fit 420 on it without extruding over general dimensions

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Not sure if I shared this here but this how it's IRL with dual 480s. It sure would be fine there with 1 radiator on the default location too as no GPU on it.

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But when it had GPU another location, the warm air direction with the default radiator placement was not good either way.

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Now its just a game/file server, and a kind of backup to just throw GPU on it for fully workin gaming PC. Watercooled or not.

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tribal kraken
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For me whole point of watercooled system is silent operation. Radiator area = cheap. And then just run idle fans. Overclocked 13900K and RTX4090 can keep dual 480mm radiators busy.

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Yeah probably best thing would be to either agressivly downclock them or make sure your bios are up to date, dont want this thing to kill itself from pure power

twin dew
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It wasn't power, it was too high voltage.

tribal kraken
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I've already broken one 13900k, just get new one 😄

pallid oak
tribal kraken
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But yes its latest BIOS for now on that board since october. But the CPU been there now almost 2 years after the first one was replaced under warranty after ~5 montht of use. Nobody then knew how wide the problems were. Soo I just delided (bye warranty) it and keep going full throttle.

feral drift
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Thats because (some) people just know from before a release of a product, that, that product is faulty.. And then rants about it whenever other people purchase it, telling you - You should have knewn this product was bad!

pure karma
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been fine now but like even my 13700K hogs over 1.4V so clearly no hope for these even after the patches

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but at the same time its been surviving me so its doing better than most hehe

twin dew
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The new absolute limit is at 1.55V?

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When before the changes it could go over 1.65V.

feral drift
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YOLO.. Go 24V

hazy smelt
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try 15 megavolts on a CPU

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surely nothing could go wrong

feral drift
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and if it does go wrong... blame it on poor hardware quality

jagged snow
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DAMN
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ceo-radeon-rx-9070-xt-first-week-sales-10x-higher-than-previous-generations

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twin dew
jagged snow
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Yup

wanton orchid
verbal raft
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BRUH

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"modest gains"

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i guess 74% better is now just a modest improvement

dire igloo
tribal kraken
languid gulch
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"nine-tenty-pro"

tribal kraken
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9950X3D still somewhere between Denmark and Finland. Will do fresh win11 on this when it arrives

languid gulch
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hopefully when you open it it won't have pins

twin dew
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Not from Amazon, so very unlikely.

glossy glacier
languid gulch
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i do wanna know what AMD did to make this gen so much better at RT

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cuz it's not just a generational improvement

twin dew
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More die space used for RT only HW.

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As percentage.

languid gulch
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right but the 7900XTX has 96 RT cores, the 9070XT has 64 and in quite a lot of cases just stomps the crap out of the XTX

twin dew
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Double the performance for ray intersection calculations.

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For each CU.

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And then other improvements for how exactly they work for specific things.

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Then we have the 3rd Generation Ray tracing units offering doubled ray intersection rates, improved BVH compression, accelerated ray traversal and shading, and Oriented Bounding Boxes. These new ray tracing cores offer one of the biggest performance increases on the chip. Each Ray accelerator has also been improved with:

2x box & triangle intersection units
Hardware instance transforms
Improved RT stack management
BVH8 and improved node compression
Oriented Bounding Boxes

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,,,

The result of these changes is that RDNA 4 CUs offer 2x ray traversal performance compared to RDNA 3 at equal clock rates and bandwidth.

languid gulch
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is there any evidence that they kinda sacrificed "normal" raster improvements to invest more in RT?

twin dew
languid gulch
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awwww so we could have had 4090 strix sized amd cards if they had gone for it?

twin dew
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And that in part is why AMD is behind on RT, as they try to keep as much as they can on the normal shader-cores, and not move things to RT specific fixed function hardware which would be faster for RT, but use even more space.

twin dew
languid gulch
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oh die size. brain fart

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holy crap the 4090 die is 609mm2

twin dew
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Balancing between using die-space for RT performance vs. Raster performance.

languid gulch
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9070XT is only 357mm2

willow pike
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while nvidia know they can charge what they want and coast on strong branding

languid gulch
twin dew
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Nvidia is using lot of die-space for the RT and AI specific HW.
Part of why they are marketing both so much while their Raster performance didn't increase.

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DLSS etc. to use that AI specific HW to hide that raster isn't getting improved.

languid gulch
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yea, the fact that we've basically stalled out on high resolution was my indicator that things aren't actually getting that much better

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TVs went from 720HD to 4K in a heartbeat, and we've been sitting at 4K for what, 10 years?

jagged snow
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A big part of that is just that tech is in the same place the auto industry was 20 years ago

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The market as a whole no longer shops for performance because more or less anything you buy new off the lot has much more than you really need

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So you've gotta sell with gimmicks, features, styling, brand appeal

twin dew
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And for lot, even 4k over Full-HD is already useless.

languid gulch
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also broadcasters refuse to go above 1080p

twin dew
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One 4K channel will use 2-4x the bandwidth one 1080p channel.

languid gulch
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yup

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remember when the tokyo olympics was supposed to be broadcast in 8K 🤣

jagged snow
willow pike
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the nvidia RT core is a dedicated ASIC (a piece of hardware that does one and only one job) who's only job is to figure out which polygon a ray hits, crawling through a BVH structure to do so, not unlike a database lookup

jagged snow
willow pike
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the AMD equivalent is actually part of the texture hardware I believe, and has been embiggened over time to be more capable

twin dew
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Same with AI stuff.
Nvidia has separate cores for the AI format matrix operations.
AMD has just updated the main shader cores to support the number formats used in AI.

willow pike
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curiously, as far as tensor cores, there's no actual hard information that they're a completely separate entity from the CUDA cores; I dug into it a bunch and the official programming guides resemble how AMD tell you to do it, using WMMA instructions

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and nobody's really taken a detailed enough election microscope scan of a nvidia SM to really label CUDA core and tensor core

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there's plenty of marketing slides that show it as a separate thing but nothing concrete

jagged snow
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That's very interesting

willow pike
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not like on a CPU where you can very definitively say "that's the floating point unit"

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plus very few people these days program anything that low level, they let CUDA sort it out

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the more you try to ascertain how big a tensor core is, how separate it is from the CUDA cores, the more frustrated you get

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closest we have is a comparison between the GTX 1660 and RTX 2060

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even then it's all guesses

languid gulch
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screw it, let's just go back 25 years & have separate raster & RT GPUs

glacial zephyr
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Somewhat related, I really like this video https://youtu.be/h9Z4oGN89MU?si=3F4hfys5LpIVIpEJ

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It’s super good quality for a free video

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It mentions tensor cores but doesn’t really talk about their architecture I believe

willow pike
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it's almost certainly proprietary

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tensor cores are their money maker and they'll tell you how to use them but not how their competitors should make them

glacial zephyr
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Yeah I would imagine, the video does talk about cuda cores at least

willow pike
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my favourite anecdote for how ludicrously fast GPUs are is in emulating the GameCube.

you know how shader compilation is a real problem? well, this was a nightmare for Dolphin, which would have severe stutters any time it needed to compile those rudimentary shaders. you also couldn't do it ahead of time as the game assumed that everything would be ready instantly

the answer? write the entire fucking GameCube GPU as a shader. the whole thing, make it a shader and let that geforce or radeon of yours figure it out. and it does! it totally prevents stutter!

glacial zephyr
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I mean the difference in performance and computing power between GPUs even 10 years apart is crazy

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Hard to even think of how much more powerful they are

visual tree
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Got free replacement but had to pay €110 for transportation cost

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Since then, I am afraid of installing tempered glass and prefer not to have it anywhere nearby lol

charred relic
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In my experience the PC glass hasn't been too terribly touchy... but tempered glass gonna do what tempered glass does and if it does crack it just turns into shatter art lol

twin dew
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In most cases the PC side panels have something other than glass on the absolute outer edge.
Tempered glass works fine for hits on the flats, but not on the edges.

charred relic
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yeah a flea could about shatter one hitting the edge

visual tree
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Might have been a reason why tempered glass broke in the bathroom lol

charred relic
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lol

pure karma
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why is discord dark theme so dark now geez

willow pike
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change the theme to ash

pure karma
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so they got rid of the garbage changes from a little while ago and instead made the new default coloring horrendous and half of the menu's dont even have the new colors so its just awful

willow pike
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misaligned MISALIGNED MAKE IT STOP

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pure karma
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all because of slowmode jacelul

willow pike
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steve jobs did nothing wrong

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@leaden dock

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y'all want this setting

pure karma
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what in the flying fuck cpu is that that it can handle 512amps

willow pike
pure karma
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ahh ok i see lol

willow pike
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hence why intel default is a thing that you must use if you don't want your cpu from dying

pure karma
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307 is still too high

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im at 200 with a OC

leaden dock
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i have a watercooled cpu but still intel default?

pure karma
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and no undervolting so undervolt and poof cpu is now smoke

willow pike
leaden dock
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aight

willow pike
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this sucks, but yes

leaden dock
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But why is the 14900k so weired (lack for a better word) then

willow pike
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intel went too crazy with it to make it faster, and they (probably knowingly) made a CPU that will one day die at such high wattages

pure karma
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made a self ingniting ticking time bomb

willow pike
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if you ever find a game is crashing on startup with a "shader compilation" error, your CPU is dead

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or was it out of video memory error?

pure karma
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i think to be honest the only reasson im still having no degradation issues is cause of my OC somehow

leaden dock
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i swear only satis has ever crashed on me nothing else

willow pike
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it's bad enough that games are starting to warn people lmao

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willow pike
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i just don't want your CPU to die

pure karma
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good luck getting stable DDR5

leaden dock
pure karma
leaden dock
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lucky you

pure karma
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my 13700K has been fine but like i said i think its entirely on my OC thats likely been keeping voltage UP and Amps DOWN

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there no room too anyway

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undervolt by even the slightest amount and it dies overclock by more than 200MHZ and its dead

leaden dock
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good thing i never got around to it else my house would maybe have burned down

pure karma
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but ay its still alive so thats all i care about

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albeit at a good 0.6V higher than i would like

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on one hand im tempted to push it and see what happens but on the other hand im not too interested in breaking the bank again

charred relic
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I have a Pentium D that seems like it might be using 500A

leaden dock
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where can i check those thats like that

charred relic
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Also doubles as a griddle for bacon and eggs

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"Hey guys know that notoriously hot CPU core we have... well lets smash two of them on a substrate together it'll be neat"

pure karma
dire igloo
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FAAFO

leaden dock
charred relic
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ya know I was thinking I think I have some rambus memory around here somewhere...couple of sticks

leaden dock
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😂

pure karma
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i was stuck downloading at 5Mbit yesterday enjoy your 40 lol

dire igloo
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Mbit/s ≠ MB/s

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I usually use Mbps and MB/s

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Less ambiguous

leaden dock
pure karma
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cause mine was at idle

leaden dock
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so no games

pure karma
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yea

leaden dock
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im idle rn too

dire igloo
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idle numbers are meaningless

pure karma
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now that i have cyberpunk open its going

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dire igloo
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Too much shit that influences them

pure karma
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it dosent really matter tho

dire igloo
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Cooling, fan curve, background processes, scheduler, etc

pure karma
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a cpu can have the same performance at 1000MHZ as 5000MHZ there are so many factors that influence performance

dire igloo
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eeeeeeeeeehhhhhh

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Yes-ish but more close to no

leaden dock
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why dont they just do stuff that just works

dire igloo
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If you're benching properly, running a fixed 1GHz will cost you a lot of performance compared to 5GHz

dire igloo
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Working is one thing.
Working well is another.

pure karma
dire igloo
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On fckn what?

pure karma
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but yes generally so

leaden dock
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So just leave everything to germans and then it will be like that 😂

dire igloo
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Jawoll

leaden dock
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Did u google that or u actually german

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Thats not oveengineered just too many stupid people in one company

languid gulch
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it's called hubris

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why do things like pay to maintain roads when you just fly everywhere

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more than people know

dire igloo
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And yes, I'm actually German

leaden dock
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ah same, Desswegen Fahr ich egal wie weit immer nur mit dem Auto

dire igloo
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To this day it amazes me that this page is not available in German
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_economic_crisis_(2022–present)

German economic crisis (2022–present)

The German economic crisis is a significant downturn of Germany's economy that marked a dramatic reversal of its previous "labour market miracle" period of 2005–2019. The country, which had been considered to be Europe's economic powerhouse in prior decades, became the worst-performing major economy globally in 2023 with a 0.3% contraction, fo...

dire igloo
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focusing on individualized traffic is one of the biggest mistakes of the 20th century

leaden dock
leaden dock
dire igloo
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Yes and no.
DB is responsible for maintaining them until they become so worn down that public infrastructure funds apply for fixing them - and now guess which of these options is more profitable for a private company

languid gulch
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like most things, they have their place until we can come up with something better

leaden dock
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Planing beforehand can prevennt that kinda

dire igloo
# leaden dock waint whut why

Inefficient as shit, ecologically unsustainable, promotes individualism, (one of the) biggest risk factor when leaving the house, unhealthy, etc

dire igloo
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Public transport is the best option for long distance traveling, bikes and walking for short distances

charred relic
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oh no individuality... we should all be sheeple instead 😄

languid gulch
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i really hate that term

dire igloo
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You should watch the "We have not been trained for this" talk from 38C3
It's Polish infrastructure but still incredible how brazenly corrupt it is

pure karma
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the worst part about public transprotation is i would agree if it wasent a pain in the ass

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if i wouldent have to go through 40 security checks to get on a plane maybe i would actually enjoy flying

leaden dock
pure karma
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if a subway wasent hell maybe i would use it

leaden dock
pure karma
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public transport would be good if it worked and walking places was actually usefull

languid gulch
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i'd love to see TBMs try to dig here

dire igloo
pure karma
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but nothing is in a good walking range

dire igloo
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Just watch a couple videos of Not Just Bikes if you want to get started on urban planning

languid gulch
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i think the last estimate we saw for trying a subway here was $3 billion per km

dire igloo
leaden dock
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@dire igloo If you're not into cars i can understand ur point but else nothing u said makes sense ... cars are german culture we invented them ... sure the system could be better but still works everywhere

dire igloo
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Your point also addressed only one of my many criticisms

languid gulch
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and we'd have to build the largest subway system in history to pull it off because of how massive the valley is

dire igloo
pure karma
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ik not to mention the cold making anything underground impossible

leaden dock
dire igloo
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And "it's part of our culture" is a bullshit argument.
It's peer pressure from dead people, it shouldn't stop anyone from doing the right thing

leaden dock
charred relic
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Most people here want their cars... simple as that

languid gulch
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i don't mind seeing car bans in some areas

charred relic
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overwhelmingly so

dire igloo
languid gulch
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even if we had mass transit that went straight to me, i'd probably still have my car for going to places that a metro can't go

leaden dock
dire igloo
charred relic
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Not the least of which youj might end up with a revolt...

languid gulch
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if a metro system has enough stops that you don't have to walk 3km from the stop to where you need to go, i don't mind having a car ban.

charred relic
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I'm sure a few places they might go along... try that here and somebody might hget lynched

dire igloo
leaden dock
leaden dock
languid gulch
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or literally can't make the walk, in which case an exemption can be made

dire igloo
dire igloo
leaden dock
dire igloo
leaden dock
dire igloo
leaden dock
dire igloo
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Cars are hella inefficient

jagged snow
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Y'all are on politics again 😭

leaden dock
dire igloo
dire igloo
dire igloo
languid gulch
night girder
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Eh, new Discord UI. This is going to take a while to get used to 😕

leaden dock
dire igloo
languid gulch
pure karma
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its the same just recolored cause they changed the default

languid gulch
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yea it probably looks fun on an OLED

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oh they've screwed up stuff too

night girder
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Something is weird with the new font of discord. It's fuzzy.

leaden dock
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Huge problems with that here too never works

languid gulch
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no idea, but when i go to settings the X to close it is off the panel

dire igloo
# leaden dock Thats not the better world for me

Any recent experiment in public spaces has shown that shifting the focus from cars to walking/bikes/PT has made cities more liveable

If you don't want that, you're no better than a disgruntled old man clinging onto cherrypicked nostalgic memories and rambling about how everything was better in the olden days

night girder
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Yeah, the font is blurry here 😦

languid gulch
dire igloo
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Which tbf, the economical situation for people was absolutely better then, but I wouldn't ever want the societal values and public opinion from those times

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Anyways, imma go sleep, government agencies don't run themselves

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Good night - and go watch Not Just Bikes