#off-topic-tech | Satisfactory | Page 144

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 5:10 AM

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that's one engine...

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That's how lol

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 5:11 AM

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depends on how fast you can get the cows to run behind it

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 5:11 AM

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It'

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It's 158k empty... with a max takeoff of 376, so mind you everything else has to fit in that

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including up to 167k fuel

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So max fuel that can carry a lot but not THAT much

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 5:12 AM

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i love the "well, officially, we'll say it can carry 18 tons" 🤣

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 5:13 AM

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Thing is these days it doesn't take much either way

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The nuclear arms are insanely scary... those aren't just one missile... it's a missile that splits into multiple warheads

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 5:13 AM

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oh i'm thinking they're on a timer for scrap with how fast drone tech is moving

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 5:13 AM

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all with it's own target lol

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 5:13 AM

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charred relic The nuclear arms are insanely scary... those aren't just one missile... it's a m...

MIRV

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 5:14 AM

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yeah it's terrifying

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minuteman iii 30g, three mk-12'

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 5:14 AM

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"In August 2007, a B-52H ferrying AGM-129 ACM cruise missiles from Minot Air Force Base to Barksdale Air Force Base for dismantling was mistakenly loaded with six missiles with their nuclear warheads. The weapons did not leave USAF custody and were secured at Barksdale."

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 5:15 AM

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and that's old stuff that we know about... pretty sure they are doing double or that now

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 5:15 AM

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i hate to think about it

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 5:16 AM

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again i guess it depends on what they are targeting

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probably use a mixture of low count big bows and smaller ones for cities

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Not sure

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 5:16 AM

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i just want Mriya back

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 5:16 AM

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our navy is huge

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 5:17 AM

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biggest air force in the world: USAF
2nd biggest: US Navy

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i know. but there's a partial fuselage that could be resurrected

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 5:17 AM

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The thing about us is... we can pivot and kick an industry into super duper high gear, especially if it's critical

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See WWII heh, we became a weapons powerhouse in short order

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 5:18 AM

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rust belt steel

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yup

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from what i've heard it wasn't hit

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 5:19 AM

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Planes that size only have so many good uses

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But they do have some big boys for special cargo

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 5:20 AM

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i wouldn't mind seeing someone commission its completion

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 5:20 AM

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The Beluga is an interesting one

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fitting name...

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 5:20 AM

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yea, gotta win first

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 5:22 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/darth-sidious-star-wars-we-shall-have-peace-gif-14407024

Tenor

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The emporer was evil but... was he really wrong

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I mean he just cared about his Sith shit really

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 5:23 AM

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if you want a giggle, pull up google earth & check out a place called AMARC

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 5:23 AM

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I star trek the star wars

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 5:24 AM

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i like Neil DeGrasse Tyson's description of Star Wars vs Trek: Trek is scifi futurism, Wars is high-tech opera

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 5:25 AM

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Yeah it's a space opera not scifi

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sw fans don't much care HOW the hyperdrive works... just that it does the thing 😄

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 5:25 AM

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at least trek tries

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 5:25 AM

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Some hardcore SW fans do similar things

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 5:26 AM

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yea but not canon

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 5:26 AM

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But with space opera the point is you don't try, it just is how it is and you are there for the story

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 5:26 AM

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yea, there for the drama

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not the realism

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 5:26 AM

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and the stories tend to be written a bit differentlly

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Both good in different ways

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 5:27 AM

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star wars not having first contact stuff makes it feel a bit too lived-in for me

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yea, not much beats good writing

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although bad writing can absolutely destroy the legacy of good writing

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LOL

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elder scrolls to fallout 76

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ouchie

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i do wonder if they do bad writing just to fuck around

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 5:31 AM

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I used to want a new elder scrolls now im afraid of how i twould turn out

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 5:31 AM

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either to spite the company or to see if they're paying attention

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or if it's a giant inside joke

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 5:33 AM

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I've seen ups, I've seen downs... it'll turn around...eventually

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 5:34 AM

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good writing and good actors to make it feel alive are key

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 5:35 AM

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It's like making a movies these days, in a lot of ways.

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 5:35 AM

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i know a lot of people shit on BG3, but its writing & dialogue options were the best thing i've seen in a game in probably 20 years

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i do wish more games would have british sarcasm in it

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 5:36 AM

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My favorite era will always be... the big box era

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 5:38 AM

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i miss the old days of controller input cheat codes

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 5:38 AM

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I wonder if younger folks here things like Joan Jetts I Love Rock N Roll and hear the line about putting another dime in the jukebox

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 5:38 AM

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🤣

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 5:38 AM

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and they're like wut... you got like 10 more behind that right?

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watching some of them dial rotary telephones is fun... well sometimes it's just an attempt

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In an emergency, and that being the only way for help, they'd be dead :/

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 5:39 AM

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manual transmission is even better

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 5:40 AM

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you could dial even without a pad or rotarry

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just by clicking the on hook button

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I used to know a few secret numbers... one would make the phone number you dialed it from ring when you hung up

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used to prank mom with that one lol

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For months she had no idea i could do that...

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Then I'm like yeaaah i make free pay phone calls too lel

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you'd hate my gaming playlist... or my anything playlist

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 5:45 AM

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my gaming playlist is mostly "oh yea, he's not a FPSer" 🤣

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 5:46 AM

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Lots of rock and metal on my lists... a lot of it fairly old at this point

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 5:46 AM

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i have the Source engine stuff entirely for gmod compatibility

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 5:46 AM

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Quite a bit of blues and rock, mostly older rock

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...mostly older blues lol

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clowncore is fun too 🙂

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The Doom soundtrack is the one that always sticks in my head

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 5:50 AM

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i've never played an entire franchise

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 5:50 AM

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when i heard the soundtrack for that game i was like f yeah

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 5:50 AM

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i do have both Goat Simulators tho, so i might

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 5:51 AM

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I have goat similator but never really checked it out... messed around for like 5 mins

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 5:51 AM

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yea same, tho 3 looks like more fun

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 5:51 AM

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I keep saying I'm going to play a lot of games though like Witcher 3 which I still haven't gotten to

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As far as Doom I like the newer soundtracks, like the original too. Only ever played 1 and 2 though... and a little but of that one that came out quite some time ago. I remember one of the new DX features was the heat haze effect and the game used it and at the time it was amazing

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 5:54 AM

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i've watched markiplier's doom playthroughs

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 5:54 AM

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I mean the newer ones LOOK fun I just already don't get around to a lot of stuff as it is... sometimes for years

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Back int he day I could do one thing for a bit none of my friends could do... Run Quake.

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 5:55 AM

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my old mmo jaded me against fast action & timing-related games

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 5:55 AM

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needed the FPU, i had a Pentium when they were new

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Well that's the thing I've gotten more laid back with the gaming. I don't always want fast action just sometimes.

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I lean towards more casual laid back games

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 5:57 AM

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i think that's why i like SF. can go at your own pace & still get it all done

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 5:57 AM

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yep

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It's a game that fits a certain niche and does it well

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oh that makes me t hink of movie games... that spiderman remastered might be fun

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i never played an y of those games but swinging around on a web looks fun lol

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...so many games

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I enjoyed the movies

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never played the game

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You could def make a compelling game universe out of it I'd think

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For me that's a game that is so far on the back burner I forget it exists...

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Hmmm when I was almost dying I just didn't seem to care..

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lol... but it was from blood loss so I was out of it mentally

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I remember some things from that night... like the nurse reading my blood pressure after I got out of bed and collapsed.

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And I just turned and said "holy shit" because i knew it was bad

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Everthing started to... white out.

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like somebody was cranking the contrast on my eyeballs up so it was all getting washed out, was wild

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I'm pretty hard to kill...

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Important work left to be done and all...

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unobtanium

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I don't think we're far away from prosthetics being... amazing

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like people who can't walk up and walking amazing

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err not far rather

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Even the stuff avail now is amazing to me, having seen how far it's come

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lol

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be like cyberpunk, go see a ripper doc

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See another game I haven't played. I was waiting on them to patch it up a bit better then never got around to it -pulls hair out-

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Why is your hand like that.

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I can't eeven give you a reason other than bad luck lol

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nothing in particular caused this for me, it is what is is as they say

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Doc thought I was just an alcoholic for a minute there. I was like bro I've never been a drinker. You can cold call people out of my contact list right now and ANYBODY that has known me for long knows this.

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Depends

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Doc could probably make it work...

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Well he made it run on trash... I mean cmon

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Only problem is... when you do it that way... it takes you to the time and date you enter in HELL

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that's what the blood sacrifice is for o.O

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that's just a classic epic movie in general

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Which Fox didn't end up all messed up

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liked him

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I remember him back to Family Ties lol

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I'd love to see somebody do a true to the original content redo or something of some older shows... like All In the Family and Sanford and Son

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Boy there'd be butthurts on both side loloool

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They'd hear Archy say something and flip... then they'd hear Fred use the term "Honky" and other folks losong their mind

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at the tame we were all laughing... at them both, not with them lolol

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THEY were the jokes there

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Also Redd Foxx was both a great actor and great comedian

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Bit of a tragic story. You may or may not know one of Redd's gagas was pretending to have a heart attack, on that show

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he'd grab his chest and call out to his dead wife sayiong he's coming to see her making a scene

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well on set of a show later... he had a real one and at first they tghought he was doing the gag :/

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It's a comedy bit... until it isn't

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sonic 2 maybe...

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mah jellyfin has 2 and 3

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then do it!

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ok imma watch it

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better be good...

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saw some cat named joe satriani once

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some guitar guy or some such ;

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He was pretty good

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 6:45 AM

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lol

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 6:45 AM

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Steve Vai... he was aiight too

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 6:45 AM

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like saying ringo's an ok guy to jam with

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 6:45 AM

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Fun fact, Vai didn't even know how to string a guitar when he met Satch. That's where he took lessons at first

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That Hydra guitar and song though... wow

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 6:46 AM

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oh i'm gonna have to google how to do classical guitar stringing when it comes time

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 6:46 AM

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That guitar is absolutely nuts... it's not even really JUST a guiar

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 6:47 AM

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i went to the MIM a few months ago where they had the guitar exhibit

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took a few pics

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 6:47 AM

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Cream Guitars has a crazy e-ink guitar body

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 6:47 AM

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read the label, it's worth it

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 6:48 AM

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lol

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Probably the most played instrument in histroy TBH

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 6:48 AM

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charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 6:48 AM

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Right there in that case... wow

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Yeah that's a sweet one

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 6:48 AM

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speaking of Vai

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 6:48 AM

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can tell instantly it's ibanez lol

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 6:49 AM

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yea the scrolls are a dead giveaway

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SRV

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that's a THICCC strap

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 6:50 AM

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😄

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so a part fretless bass... 7 string guitar... whatever you even call the thing on top

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half fretted half fretless... 12 strings so a 12 string

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 6:51 AM

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keytar

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 6:51 AM

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those used to be all the rage

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with some types of music lol

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 6:52 AM

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that's Chick Corea's

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🤣

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ngl i like all of the trek series before the 2009 reboot

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 6:52 AM

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You might consider me crazy because I'm crazy. But I'm not crazy. And either am I.

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See, we're not crazy

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 6:53 AM

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here's one of Alice Cooper's suits, complete with his head

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 6:53 AM

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that cane

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he bacame an expert at using that as a stage prop

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 6:53 AM

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oh yea

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 6:54 AM

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just a GOAT in general

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 6:54 AM

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he was my parents' first date

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 6:54 AM

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People were shocked at his act... Groucho was his friend and went to a show and was like "good vaudville"

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 6:54 AM

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his wife shops at my sister's store fairly often

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yea he basically invented the rock show

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 6:55 AM

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Cooper is one of the very people on earth I'd like to sit down and have lunch with... and conversation

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Morgan Freeman is another one... and Keanu

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 6:55 AM

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here's one of the drums from the 2008 Beijing Olympics

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 6:55 AM

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Cooper has so many great old stories

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wonder what that gem is worth

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 6:56 AM

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iirc there were 2008 of them made

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this was probably the neatest thing i saw at the museum. a saxophone. maker: Adolphe Sax

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i spent 4 hours there, & i could have spent all day

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 6:57 AM

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What's great about these instruments is they don't really change

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 6:58 AM

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Louis XIV pianoforte

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 6:58 AM

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But there are certain makers, models... or previous owners etc

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 6:58 AM

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just out there in the middle of the floor

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no cage, no barriers

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 6:58 AM

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And that would look out of place in anything but a big very expensive house lol

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 6:58 AM

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LOOK AT THIS THING

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 6:58 AM

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that woodwork

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 6:59 AM

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they also had literally the most intricate guitar ever made

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that one's worth popping out into a browser & taking a zoomed look at

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Bohemian viol 😄

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 7:01 AM

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There's a Jimi Hendrix Fuzz pedal that might be floating arouind still somwhere.. that somebody might not even know they have

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worth an absolute fortune

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very carefully

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 7:04 AM

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they've got instruments from absolutely everywhere tho

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i had to stop taking pics & just enjoy it all

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and basically all the way back in time too

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they had a ton of everything

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flutes included 🤣

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i wish i had taken a picture of the world's largest bass

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3m tall

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quick googling 🤣

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fully functional, just way too low to actually hear

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0esCcp7pOj8

YouTube

MIMphx

The "Jaws" theme on the octobasse

In 1974, Jaws became the world's first summer blockbuster. It grossed over $470 million, making it the highest-grossing movie of all time until "Star Wars" was released in 1977.

This octobasse was made by Mr. Antonio Dattis.

A few musicians stopped by MIM and on their tour, got to try out the Octobasse, which is one of only a few in existence....

▶ Play video

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it took me so much effort to not touch any of the stringed instruments

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🤣

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she didn't know it at the time, i think that's the best part

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 7:16 AM

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a lot of stuff is run that way... like the manhattan project, had people woking on various things that had no idea of the bigger picture heh

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Or the UK's code breaking

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don't worry about what it does just make the parts!

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 7:17 AM

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at least they were nice enough to let them all know what they'd been working on

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 7:17 AM

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I dated a girl that wouldn't even tell me some of the things she did

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She worked for boeing

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Unix nerd that one...

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lol

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it aint rocket scie oh wait it is rocket science

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I just know I've killed a lot of lil kerbal guys

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 7:20 AM

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oh i've done plenty of that

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i almost never let the original 4 fly anymore

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 7:21 AM

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I'll eventually get the rocket where i want it... but death might be involved

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you know... during testing 😄

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 7:21 AM

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🤣

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 7:21 AM

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Oops time to modify it... renames to YerScrewed Mk2

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 7:22 AM

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i like to build huge ass relay stations at the edge of kerbin's SOI

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 7:22 AM

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LOL

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I haven't tried anything like that yet

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I d/l a "instant space station" once though lol

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 7:23 AM

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i may have a few mods

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 7:23 AM

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it was indeed... well not instant but it'd get up into orbit and was a station

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Yeah I run some mods because some stuff is just repetative after awhile

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dialing in the burns isn't rocket sci oh wait it IS rocket science

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 7:24 AM

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i do wish that they'd release another expansion that made stations more science-y

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 7:24 AM

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getting into orbit is even less fun once you did it 5283532 times

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I use gravityturn

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 7:24 AM

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rendezvous still scares the hell outta me

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 7:24 AM

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Well sometimes stuff will just go a bit wonky for me

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Like I've had a failed intercept

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like wtf was that...

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run the exact same flight exactly the same way, intercept

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 7:26 AM

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i've never been able to do spaceplanes for some reason. aerodynamics and deltaV just don't like me

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 7:26 AM

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SHRUG!

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 7:26 AM

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plus i realized i hate trying to land them

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 7:26 AM

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I played around a bit but seemed hard to control

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 7:26 AM

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even with a hotas i have issues

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 7:27 AM

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didn't try hotas, honestly didn't seem like it'd be that much help to me

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I'm spoiled from MS Flight sim on that type of flying anyhow

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docking has always been tough for me

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 7:28 AM

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i learned to use Matt Lowne's method

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🤣

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ksp is fun, it's like the Minions got ahold of NASA

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 7:29 AM

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ya lol

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I can pull this lever, don't make me pull th is lever.

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that's it im pulling the lever!

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pulls the lever. A trap door opens beneath Maxeeks feet dropping him onto the fluffiest softest surface they have ever felt, surrounded by puppies and kittens.

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fun enough for ya down there buddy?

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 7:32 AM

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charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 7:32 AM

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I have a thing for Japanese women...

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I also just like Japanese culture in general, would like to visit there some day.

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Unlike some people I know how to behave like a gentleman and respect other countries cultures...

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some of these guys on tiktok and what have you are so annoying with that shit

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like man you are making us all look like assholes, thanks for that

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Yep yep there already thinking it thaaats is prove them right

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Well over there people, from what I can tell, are very nice.

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Very respectful

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And that... I can respect

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 7:38 AM

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it always throws me off how close japan, korea, & beijing all are

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 7:38 AM

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oo my order is packing already, pretty sure t his place is in China but I didn't bother looking.

twin dew Mar 7, 2025, 7:39 AM

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Raptor engine development:

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 7:39 AM

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Ah Thailand, Hong Kong and Singapore

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 7:39 AM

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twin dew Raptor engine development:

4th image: thousands of pieces of former engine

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 7:39 AM

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knew it was from overseas though due to the 30 day ship time quote for the super cheap shipping option

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Yeah they moved a lot of that internal and some of it was just for testing too

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they have done a lot with that engine to streamline the hell o ut of it

twin dew Mar 7, 2025, 7:41 AM

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languid gulch 4th image: thousands of pieces of former engine

Raptor 2:s are the current flying version, As shown by that 1, that Raptor 3 is first one built and is probably going to be going to be destroyed in ground testing.

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 7:41 AM

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was more joking about today's events

twin dew Mar 7, 2025, 7:41 AM

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Yeah, I know

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 7:41 AM

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well it's all good, they can't all fly 😄

twin dew Mar 7, 2025, 7:42 AM

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charred relic they have done a lot with that engine to streamline the hell o ut of it

Also upping the performance at same time, not just cleaning the "externals".

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 7:42 AM

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i'd personally hate to time travel

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 7:42 AM

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It's also entirely possible... well forward for sure. So far they can't find anything in the math that prevents backward but that gets promelmatic

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 7:43 AM

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despite [some things], an awful lot about right now is the best time to be alive as a human

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 7:43 AM

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We know how to time travel to the future 😄

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Not even an unknown thing... we just aren't capable yet

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need lots of gravity... or to travel very very fast

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lots of mess really...

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which you can be going fast...

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 7:44 AM

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NDT did describe how you can theoretically travel back in time by taking a specific path around 2 black holes orbiting each other

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 7:44 AM

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Yeah there are a lot of theories and like I said the maths as we know them to hold up so far don't strictly prevent it

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but there's a lot of quantum shit we don't know...

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One day maybe...

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 7:45 AM

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i'm waiting for negative mass & negative energy

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 7:45 AM

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I'm waiting on us to off the solar system with antimatter...

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😄

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 7:46 AM

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oh we 100% need to solve the 0g medical issues

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 7:47 AM

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Seems we kinda have to one way or another

twin dew Mar 7, 2025, 7:47 AM

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But just watching the official stream to see what happened.

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 7:47 AM

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We def are not meant for that

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But it wasn't all that long ago we couldn't fly... at all

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People thought those guys were loons

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Well joke was on them... their silly machine flew

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The question is how far into the future would you want to go

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 7:50 AM

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i wouldn't, actually

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god knows what's waiting for us

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 7:50 AM

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I mean 1000 sounds neat but think about the shock.

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 7:51 AM

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even 10 years, at least for an english speaker, would have an impact

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100 years and you might not be able to communicate

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 7:51 AM

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Go too far the planet might not be here o.O

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 7:51 AM

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and yea, i'd rather not know if we're headed to the stars or oblivion

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 7:52 AM

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I'm at that age where I'm like welp... if it's going to hell in a handbasked then ohwell i've had a good run

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asteroid gonna hit? the hell am i going to do about it anyhow? freak out?

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 7:52 AM

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plus there's the question of going forward, then going back

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 7:52 AM

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thats super helpful lol

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Well fi you could come back that's great, i'd see all kinda of stuff

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But without the back aint no way...

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 7:54 AM

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plus sadly a lot of banks have put inactivity penalties in place, so you couldn't just leave an account behind to grow on interest 🤣

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 7:54 AM

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Maybe ask me again in 20 years and i'd take a one way, once im getting closer to a natural end or whatever anyhow

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might say yes...

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Curiosity killed the cat....but satisfaction brought it back.

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My neighbors cats come visit me, they know where the good scritches are.

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Then they mark me because I belong to them now lol

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Rub rub rub yeah now you smell just like ME!

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I like that cats are self cleaning...

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cats around here outside... well it can get dicey

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have fox around here

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i'll settle for a shuttlecraft

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any era or model really... 😄

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"hey musk... bet i beat you to mars" whooooosh

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then call him from mars like 2 minutes later

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https://tenor.com/view/trollfacelmaaaao-gif-23938565

Tenor

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I'd get you a post card bro but like... no stores sorry

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the last time i heard that....

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 8:04 AM

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would be hilarious to see a NERVA mission blow past a starship on the way to mars

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 8:04 AM

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lol

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nah gotta like slow down and pace

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and wave... then ZOOM

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It'll be interesting to see when a Mars attempt atually happens

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 8:07 AM

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ngl i kinda hope they cancel the lunar gateway project

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 8:07 AM

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Ever do the Riker move when you sit down

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Not everyone tall enough for that one

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 8:08 AM

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oh yea, tall enough

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and my back's bad enough

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that's why frakes invented it

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he didn't want to do the old man groan with his bad back every time he stood up

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 8:08 AM

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There's also a fun game you can play where somebody yells SHATNER then whoever was talking has to oeveract whatever they were saying

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https://tenor.com/view/riker-star-trek-tng-sit-chair-gif-17095443225696066092

Tenor

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I'm just tall enough that I'd graze the family jeweles just in that light way that is actually the worst pain lol

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don't ask me how i know this...

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Riker was a baws

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 8:11 AM

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ok i had no idea he was 6'3"

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 8:11 AM

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Yeah he's tall AF

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Bro I'd have to climb over that back of that chair

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I'd look like one of t hose guys at boot camp going up the wall

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 8:12 AM

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i'd gladly give up 10cm in height in exchange for no back problems

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 8:12 AM

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I have back probs but it's from a sports relat ed injury

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 8:12 AM

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yea mine's from carrying an engine around

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 8:13 AM

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have 2 of those... one was the jewels... thank goodness i kept 2

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The other one was lower back got twisted upo

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me being a big ole fatty for a long time didn't helpo with my back either...

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 8:14 AM

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yea trying to lose weight to help with that

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 8:14 AM

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I also went from pre-diabetic to A1C that is right in the middle of normal

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 8:14 AM

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my face is too round to mew 🤣

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 8:14 AM

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Went from high blood pressure to nurses envying it

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Got off the BP meds too

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 8:15 AM

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yea working on that myself

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 8:15 AM

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took a long time

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mny wake up call was eventually i'll have to have a major surgery, the better health im in the faster i'll recover

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and the less likely i am to oh you know... die

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 8:16 AM

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also the second you encounter stairs you don't instantly regret being alive

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 8:16 AM

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Well I used to not wanna get on a ladder just beause of my weight

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now it's like welp time to get the ladder and clean the gutters

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 8:17 AM

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it's like someone made the Excelsior not look hideous

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 8:18 AM

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shit now im thinking of another game i never played i meant to ages ago... i think it was called Star Trek Bridge Commander

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 8:19 AM

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the only time excelsior was nice was when it was being flown apart

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 8:20 AM

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oh look only 10 bucks on GoG... see this is what bleeds me

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 8:21 AM

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my wishlist never seems to have decent sales

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 8:21 AM

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I'm just interested in so few games lol

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my wishlist barely exists

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 8:21 AM

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the only one that's really got my attention is the Kurzgesagt one slated for this year

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nemesis could have been so much better

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actually nemesis should have been a 2 part tv movie, with a romulan/federation diplomatic movie

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could have led straight into the 2009 reboot then

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hell, they could do that now

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as a streaming movie that helps make the transition from original universe to prime universe

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 8:26 AM

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I'm waiting on somebody to reboot Lexx

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 8:26 AM

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i keep hearing rumors about a Babylon 5 reboot

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 8:26 AM

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Yeah I also heard about a Buffy continuation or something

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still waiting...

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 8:27 AM

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charred relic Yeah I also heard about a Buffy continuation or something

maybe they could bring back Pedro Pascal for that one

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 8:27 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/steve-carell-no-please-no-gif-5026106

Tenor

no god please no

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languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 8:28 AM

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look at the little mando

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 8:28 AM

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I don't remember details... but I'd def be interested if it's good

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Supposedly Whedeon was on board too i believe

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 8:28 AM

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ooooo idk about that now

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now that we know......things

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oh 100%

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 8:29 AM

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ah nm he wasn't going to

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well then uhhh yeah i dunno then lol

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 8:29 AM

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i'm glad she jumped aboard some of the animated stuff

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 8:29 AM

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i'd have more confidence if he was involved...

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 8:30 AM

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confident in writing, maybe. but behind the scenes, yeesh

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 8:31 AM

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As far as Lexx... I'd rather that one just get left as it is...

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No I mean Lexx

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yes

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 8:32 AM

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might be too phallic for today

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 8:32 AM

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the robot head

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worship his divine shadow

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Such a great show

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It's got just the right about of cheesy in it

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 8:34 AM

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i only know it from the ship size comparison graphics

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 8:34 AM

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So which Xev did you like more the original or the replacement?

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That replacment wowowow

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but the orig had that certain look

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i have watched that show twice complete and parts more

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now i might watch it again since it's been awhile

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 8:36 AM

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i kinda wish they'd do another series in the BSG universe

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 8:36 AM

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Plus Kai was a badass, i went on a binge watching and had a dream where kai was my homie

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and this whole room of people was messing with me and i was like "kai kill them all" and man he went to work!

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Prince?

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fun fact, john dunsworth (better known for Trailer Park Boys probably) was a voice

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one of the predecessors

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that man played the best drunk ever heh

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Just am amzing show IMO, def not everyones cup of tea I'm sure.

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pffft

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oooold news at this point lol

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 8:40 AM

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hey now

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i like doctor who

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sherlock was decent

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 8:40 AM

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I like dr who

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but the perriod with karen gillan will have me stoppping on that channel

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 8:40 AM

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my sister & mom were obsessed with downton abbey

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 8:40 AM

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because smoke showwwwwww

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My dad subscrubes to Britbox

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he's into a bunch of those shows

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 8:41 AM

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i watched top gear back during the original youtube days when you could upload entire shows to it 🤣

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 8:42 AM

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now i have karen gilans hot red head in my brain

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Ever watch... Merlin

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Anthony Head as Uther Pendragon

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Thee watcher himself lol

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 8:43 AM

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charred relic now i have karen gilans hot red head in my brain

i have the moment she yanked her red wig off at comic con during her first appearance as Nebula

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 8:43 AM

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Bro

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she was STILL hot

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 8:44 AM

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oh 100%

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but that's probably the best moment of hers i've ever seen

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 8:44 AM

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yeah she was good in that role too

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 8:44 AM

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she seems like the kind of person you'd hang out in a pub with for hours

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Karen Gillan

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 8:45 AM

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There's a video of Jewel putting on some facial prosthetics and stuff so it didn't look like her and doing karaoke of her own song

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peple are like wtf

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I've found trouble in all hair colors heh

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Then again sometimes trouble is what I was looking for

languid gulch Mar 7, 2025, 8:47 AM

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Karen wasn't the originator of my weakness for redheads, but it sure didn't help

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we weren't talking about blondie

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 8:49 AM

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way back I had a thing for one of the guitar players in Kittie

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she popped up on X... turns out she's gottan even better looking heh

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That band... was always surprised they didn't get bigger.

tribal kraken Mar 7, 2025, 1:21 PM

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Had my first BSOD with 9800X3D last night playing Civ7. It said "memory_management". Wonder if its the game problem, or if it better memory stability tester than Karhu

twin dew Mar 7, 2025, 2:18 PM

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Better stability test.

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Well, not better, but hit some corner case that Karhu isn't testing.

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User mode software cannot cause BSODs

verbal raft Mar 7, 2025, 2:58 PM

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willow pike Mar 7, 2025, 3:11 PM

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they don't seem to mention that dlss4 perf is one tier lower than dlss3 (so 4 balanced is same perf as 3 quality)

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also going by % relative performance to TAA isn't useful at all as these things have fixed performance overheads

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ie it runs at 60FPS (16.6ms) and the FSR4/DLSS4 impact is, say, 1ms

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that 1ms will be fixed while frame rate is variable

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much more useful to compare how many ms these methods add to frame time than the weird ass relative to TAA percentage graph

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still, it's good to see FSR4 playing in the big leagues

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not really a factor in buying decisions anymore

cinder moon Mar 7, 2025, 3:26 PM

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Order laptop. Get laptop. Test laptop. Return laptop.

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Stupid MT7902.

twin dew Mar 7, 2025, 3:28 PM

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Instead of just paying 20e to get another WiFi card and replace the stock one?

cinder moon Mar 7, 2025, 3:28 PM

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I honestly don't want to deal with opening up this style of laptop again.

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I have the tools and knowledge. I don't have the hands for it.

twin dew Mar 7, 2025, 3:29 PM

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You can expect all AMD CPU laptops to have that chip.
As AMD has selected it to be the "official AMD WiFi" thing with AMD branding.

cinder moon Mar 7, 2025, 3:29 PM

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It's Intel.

twin dew Mar 7, 2025, 3:29 PM

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Ok.

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And I probably misremembered the exact MediaTek chip AMD uses.

cinder moon Mar 7, 2025, 3:31 PM

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Maybe though. I know someone in town who can probably help.

twin dew Mar 7, 2025, 3:32 PM

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Yeah, I misremembered.
AMD RZ608 is MT7921K.
AMD RX616 is MT7922.

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But same for most MediaTek chips that Linux support is horrible.

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For those new chips

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Possibly support in Linux 5.17 and newer.

cinder moon Mar 7, 2025, 3:38 PM

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Screw it. I'm taking it to someone I know and trust in town, get a part swapped.
Might cost me £70 or so, but the refund for open box is probably gonna lose me £45 immediately if I return.

twin dew Mar 7, 2025, 3:40 PM

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What laptop?

cinder moon Mar 7, 2025, 3:49 PM

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ASUS Vivobook 16 X1605VA

twin dew Mar 7, 2025, 3:49 PM

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Suggestions for Intel solutions:
BE202: WiFi 7, QAM4096, 320MHz
BE200: WiFi 7, QAM1014, 160MHz
AX210: WiFi 6E, 160MHz
AX200: WiFi 6, 160MHz, Discontinued.

VPro vs non-VPro variant doesn't matter, so non-VPro variant suggested.

cinder moon Mar 7, 2025, 3:49 PM

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I'm considering just getting a slim wifi usb adapter for it. The laptop's used for browsing the internet and watching videos. At most, video calls. It doesn't need high performance wireless.

twin dew Mar 7, 2025, 3:50 PM

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cinder moon Mar 7, 2025, 3:50 PM

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And it operates within 4 meters of the access point. 😛
Same room, clear line of sight.

twin dew Mar 7, 2025, 3:51 PM

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And the card to be replaced once bottom is removed:

cinder moon Mar 7, 2025, 3:52 PM

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Is that just a standard chip? I heard some of the newer laptops use ultra slim cards, but that looks no different than what's in my other laptops.

twin dew Mar 7, 2025, 3:53 PM

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Some Intel laptops use cards using CVNio interface, not standard PCIe.

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But only Intel makes chips that use that.

cinder moon Mar 7, 2025, 3:54 PM

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Cool, looks like I can just canabalise one of my two non-working laptops.

twin dew Mar 7, 2025, 3:54 PM

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But that is the older 2230, not the newer 1216.

cinder moon Mar 7, 2025, 3:54 PM

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Which have wireless chips I know work under Linux.

twin dew Mar 7, 2025, 3:54 PM

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And seems that the Intel cards just have 1216 card inside that shield shell, on 2230 adapter board?

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Not sure.

twin dew Mar 7, 2025, 3:56 PM

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cinder moon Is that just a standard chip? I heard some of the newer laptops use ultra slim c...

But that PCIe M.2 2230 has been standard for WiFi for very long time in laptops, since move away mPCIe that was first solution using PCIe instead of PCI.

twin dew Mar 7, 2025, 3:58 PM

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twin dew And seems that the Intel cards just have 1216 card inside that shield shell, on ...

Ah, no, just making the cards in both sizes.

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 4:21 PM

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I require knobs

twin dew Mar 7, 2025, 4:26 PM

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Might be never.
As they seem to have gone to bunch of new series after Define 7.

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Where the Pop series is the closest replacement for Defines.

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 4:32 PM

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The next projects board 😄

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At least one of those resistors is responsible for bias, gotta read through the diagram to see which so I can swao it with a internal pot or different value for more grit 😄

twin dew Mar 7, 2025, 4:33 PM

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But that isn't green?

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 4:33 PM

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the enclosure...

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😉

twin dew Mar 7, 2025, 4:34 PM

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Weird that they didn't go for standard green solder-resist...

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 4:34 PM

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It's a take on the Ibanex Tube TS-808 Tube Screamer

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I went with that color

mental oriole Mar 7, 2025, 4:34 PM

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Nu

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 4:34 PM

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they have... a lot of colors... or bare metal you can just paint yourself

mental oriole Mar 7, 2025, 4:34 PM

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I've been sick for a week so haven't bothered.

twin dew Mar 7, 2025, 4:34 PM

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charred relic they have... a lot of colors... or bare metal you can just paint yourself

Meant the PCB.

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 4:34 PM

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I'll print up som logos for that, it'll come pre-drilled

twin dew Mar 7, 2025, 4:35 PM

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That they went with black solder-resist instead of "standard" green.

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 4:35 PM

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Oh... well nobody sees that really but me lol

mental oriole Mar 7, 2025, 4:35 PM

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charred relic the enclosure...

The Box™️

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 4:35 PM

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I'll toss it to my neighbor to use, he'll never see the PCB

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unless I show it to him...

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Their boards are good, I've build on a couple of them

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Not great, but solid. Too much reflow work can be a problem with the copper

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or resoldering... etc

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My next step is having them printed myself, then I can get really high quality boards custom done with my branding on it even if i want heh

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I also do clean work and clean up rosin with alcohol

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Leave rosin everywhere and that's about always gonna be a problem

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https://tenor.com/view/nodding-moon-creepy-gif-14222607

Tenor

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Sometimes yes, sometimes no

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SMD components aren't that bad... the larger ones you can do with an iron, the rest with hot air

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in some ways the y're easier...

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I have optics so I'm good on vision

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My soldering station, the base that has the power supply and the iron itself are meant to be user serviced if you wish

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you can buy the switch, LED display, rotary dial, thermometer etc etc heh... in some cases you'd need another functional iron to fix it but yeah

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that's how hobbyists are

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Why pay 130 for a new station when I can solder in a new switch for under 10 bucks

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Yes... all this is just a hobby for me lol

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I play guitar, i build guitar pedals...

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and at some point amplifiers

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My neighbor is gonna have me wire in some goodies he got for one of his Ibanez guitards

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something with the switching, should be simple

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120 does kinda suck buuut it's split so I can have 220 service run to a room

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err 240

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The cloths washer and dryer operate on that

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And the kitchen stove

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Homes here don't typicall need more than 240 service anywhere in the house other than a couple of spots

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The 120 hampers us with PC PSU's though

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I'm going to already have to have a 240 line run to this room because of the power usage...

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Or another 120

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Either works...

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I chew threw a lot of wattage

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gobble up wattage like a rat gobbles cheese

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pretty sure they don't even really like cheese and really only interested in it if really really hungry

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If I go past 1 5 I trip the breaker and this room gets dark

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Very dark...

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So dark, in fact, I'm in danger of being eaten by a grue...

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those haven't been installed here in a long time

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they might have been around when i was young but not anywhere in my memory

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I've always known the resettable breaker setup

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I knew how to tell which was tripped and reset them when I was a kid

charred relic Mar 7, 2025, 5:11 PM

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I have so much wattage I keep a fire extinguisher in the room

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juuust in case a bit of kit goes sidways and does something funny

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we use single and 3 phase

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3 phase is really only seen in commercial applications

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homes split single phase into 120 and 240

visual tree Mar 7, 2025, 6:21 PM

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I was searching for Knuckles video of "stop hitting yourself" on youtube and got this

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Youtube thinks I am trying to hurt myself 🤣

pure karma Mar 7, 2025, 7:06 PM

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oh yea i get that all the time

cinder moon Mar 7, 2025, 8:35 PM

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twin dew But that PCIe M.2 2230 has been standard for WiFi for very long time in laptops,...

I got a usb dongle and surpringly she's fine with it.

verbal raft Mar 7, 2025, 8:45 PM

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amazon listings be like these days
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mental oriole Mar 7, 2025, 9:09 PM

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Screaming intensifies

languid gulch Mar 8, 2025, 1:17 AM

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or, as people have discovered, the standard amd gpu: any one except for eagle OC is fine

twin dew Mar 8, 2025, 9:09 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJCjGt7jUkU

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night girder Mar 8, 2025, 11:02 AM

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Did I miss anything important?

novel rose Mar 8, 2025, 11:03 AM

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It blew up again

twin dew Mar 8, 2025, 11:06 AM

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Fixes didn't fully fix the issue or another very close issue.
No significant leak this time in volume(?), but fire in engine compartment and then one of the VAC engines probably blew up and took the three center engines with it, causing the starship to spin out of control and re-enter over bahamas again.

novel rose Mar 8, 2025, 11:07 AM

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Which then caused flights in the Carribbean region needing to divert

twin dew Mar 8, 2025, 11:11 AM

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These two flights used new configuration of the engine feed piping.
And on last flight the cause was new type of excessive vibration tearing stuff up.
Was it 20x the previously seen max or something like that?

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Seems the fixes didn't fully work.

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 11:17 AM

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Did other space programs "struggle" so much?

twin dew Mar 8, 2025, 11:18 AM

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Kind of intentional to progress faster and to get more optimized product out of gate.

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And to get the production optimized too at same time for large volume for cheap.

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SpaceX is testing slower than they are building.

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Traditional method after Apollo has been to analyze to death before starting to build anything.

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Starship development is return to Apollo and before hardware rich development.

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Only these two last flights (first little, second more) can be considered failures.
And even then the Booster side progressed and repeated the returns.

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Previous flight caused unexpected issue to surface in new more efficient design.
But that they didn't get it fixed says they didn't fully understand what happened, but this flight was probably much more instrumented to collect data on what they thought happened and alternative stuff.

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 11:28 AM

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What I don't want to hear as a boss; we don't know what happened 🤣

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I was wondering today, how does multithreading work in code, if a CPU has no multithreading support.

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And the answer I get is "context switching".

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Even on a single-core CPU without multithreading support, the operating system can still manage multiple threads through context switching. This means that the OS can switch between threads, allowing them to share the CPU time. However, this switching incurs some overhead, and the threads will not run simultaneously; they will take turns using the CPU.

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Why does this sound like running code sync instead of async hehe (So fake multithreading in my eyes).

twin dew Mar 8, 2025, 11:40 AM

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That is always used.
As even with HT, you only get two HW threads.

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 11:40 AM

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Not my point at all. I don't care if it's always used. It's just fake.

twin dew Mar 8, 2025, 11:40 AM

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Time Division Multiplexing done by OS on each core.

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~~Been that way since multiprocess was a thing.~~

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Ok, that was wrong.

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First it was each program themselves yielding back to OS for next program to be scheduled.

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In Win 3.x etc.

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Cooperative multitasking.

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 11:41 AM

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But it's not running parallel at all.

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That's the whole power of it. Async. Running multiple tasks, at same time*. Not one after another.

twin dew Mar 8, 2025, 11:42 AM

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And today it is combination of the two.

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Once multi-core CPUs came out, but the main method still is OS scheduler assigning threads to have time slices of the HW threads.

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 11:43 AM

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Yeah, to multiple LCPU ... but if you have none 🤷‍♂️

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It's just scheduling one by one after another. With overhead.

twin dew Mar 8, 2025, 11:44 AM

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Nowhere near enough cores even on highest count CPUs.

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 11:44 AM

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And quickly switches, but that's just the same as all the rest works.

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just with extra overhead. I don't get it.

twin dew Mar 8, 2025, 11:45 AM

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There are currently 237 processes, with 4428 threads, running on my main computer.

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 11:45 AM

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multiprocessing might be better than multithreading if you have no no multi threading support. (for coding)

twin dew Mar 8, 2025, 11:45 AM

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The 8 cores, each with 2 HW threads each, don't cover that at all.

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275x oversubscription.

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 11:46 AM

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How many of those threads are idle, waiting for stuff.

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So oversubscription, probably. But it's not that they all doing something.

twin dew Mar 8, 2025, 11:47 AM

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Doesn't matter.
Still going to be switched in and out every once in while so the thread can see if it is actually idle or not.

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 11:47 AM

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But it's not doing anything.

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So it does matter.

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Switching between idle to idle thread != switching between working thread to working thread.

twin dew Mar 8, 2025, 11:48 AM

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Multi-core and hyperthreading etc. just give more resources to be spread around.
But the base is still pre-emptive multiprocessing controlled by OS scheduler.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_multitasking
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preemption_(computing)#Preemptive_multitasking

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 11:49 AM

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Yeah, I've read those.

twin dew Mar 8, 2025, 11:50 AM

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night girder Switching between idle to idle thread != switching between working thread to wor...

Not really.
No difference switching between working and working, idle and idle, or working and idle or idle and working.
In each case old threads stuff gets ejected from registers etc. and replaced with the new threads stuff.
If the new thread doesn't do much, then the caches don't get evicted too, but thats it.

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And the stupid thing with Windows scheduler is that it doesn't return the thread to same CPU it was ejected from, but assigns it next to whatever, causing cache to be invalidated.

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Which is why with just one thread doing lot of work, if it isn't manually pinned, it will go all over the cores, and none show up at high usage in Task Manager etc.

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As the thread is switched between cores multiple times a second by Windows Scheduler, even when it is the only really active one.

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 11:53 AM

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Context switching between idle threads typically involves less overhead because these threads are not actively using CPU resources. The operating system can quickly switch between them without needing to save and restore a lot of state, as they are not performing computations or holding resources.

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Context switching between working threads is generally more resource-intensive. The operating system must save the state of the currently running thread (registers, program counter, stack pointer, etc.) and load the state of the next thread to run. This process can incur a performance penalty due to the overhead of saving and restoring context, cache misses, and potential cache thrashing.

twin dew Mar 8, 2025, 11:54 AM

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And I did say about that cache side.
But it isn't the OS doing that saving.
OS side is the same no matter AFAIK.
And it is CPU doing extra work if caches are affected, and not just registers.

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 11:54 AM

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You said "Not really." to my quote of saying exacct same thing.

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My point still stand

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 11:55 AM

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twin dew There are currently 237 processes, with 4428 threads, running on my main compute...

In this context, 200 idle threads vs 200 working thread is a difference.

twin dew Mar 8, 2025, 11:55 AM

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Your quotes to quick look seem to be saying what OS is doing changes depending on if the thread was idle or not.
It doesn't.
The effect on the CPU is large, but not on the OS.

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Because of that CPU managed cache side.

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But that also happens every time the active thread is switched between cores.
If Windows scheduler bothered to return threads to same CPU core they were on, the effect would be much smaller.
Linux is much more intelligent on that.

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It isn't the swapping of thread out and back that is intensive.
It is that cache thrashing when switching between two high-intensity threads, or not returning the high-intensity thread back to same core it was on after giving time to non-intensive threads for moment.

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But basically no matter how many HW threads you have, that stuff happens anyways constantly with any general purpose OS.
With Windows being especially bad on it.

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Windows gives max 20 microseconds of CPU time to any thread before switching it out.

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Thread can yield itself quicker.

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That is the default, can possibly be changed.

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60 ms for foreground thread.

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120 ms on Server SKUs for both.

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So if you have 16 thread CPU, one actually active thread, and 99 inactive threads, that active one wil still be ejected from execution every 20/60ms and replaced with inactive thread.
Even when Windows could keep it active on one core all the time, and use rest 15 for the 99 inactive ones.
And doesn't even bother returning it to the exact same core when it again gets CPU time, but just to random one of the 16 HW threads.

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 12:08 PM

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I am more intertesting in how it works from a coders perspective.

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not much I can do about OS.

twin dew Mar 8, 2025, 12:08 PM

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You don't care about it at all.

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It just happens.

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Program only sees the actual time to be noncontinous with skips when it wasn't scheduled.

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Programs needed to do stuff in that cooperative multitasking.
But the point of pre-emptive multitasking was to take that stuff out of programmers hands and make OS just do it.

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 12:12 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/tom-delonge-blink182-wtf-meme-what-the-heck-first-date-gif-25383351

Tenor

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Ofc you care about it as a programmer.

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Understanding how it works makes you a better coder.

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understanding difference between multithreading, processing, and how it interacts with systems.

twin dew Mar 8, 2025, 12:13 PM

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And when you cannot affect it in any way (outside of manual yielding), or know at which point in execution it will happen?

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Not deterministic, so cannot really be done anything about?
Just stuff that happens, which doesn't affect the program in any real way?

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 12:14 PM

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you can check for threads and cores in the code and act upon it.

twin dew Mar 8, 2025, 12:16 PM

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So try to monitor stuff that you cannot affect, for what purpose?
As I said, not deterministic from programs point of view.
Scheduler can just stop your thread at any point if higher priority thread needs CPU time.

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Not just at those normal "you get kicked out at this point".

novel rose Mar 8, 2025, 12:16 PM

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night girder https://tenor.com/view/tom-delonge-blink182-wtf-meme-what-the-heck-first-date-gi...

(Was not expecting new kids here lmao)

twin dew Mar 8, 2025, 12:17 PM

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You would just use some of your time slice for stuff that doesn't matter.

dire igloo Mar 8, 2025, 12:22 PM

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novel rose (Was not expecting new kids here lmao)

https://tenor.com/view/vuurbal-grote-vuurbal-new-kids-jonguh-bam-gif-11463026978768556937

Tenor

glossy glacier Mar 8, 2025, 12:23 PM

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Mark idle threads with a high niceness so that the OS gives you less time slots and yield if you are done.
Context switching always requires the same amount of work

twin dew Mar 8, 2025, 12:27 PM

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glossy glacier Mark idle threads with a high niceness so that the OS gives you less time slots ...

For the context switch itself.
But populating the L1/L2 caches with right data from RAM again if the data for the current active thread isn't still in there from last execution on same CPU core makes it slower at start.
Which can cause real performance impact, and which is why that Windows Scheduler moving threads around willy-nilly is so stupid.

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But yes, mainly it is just about setting right priority level and yielding when not needing CPU time and not hog it in busy loop.

twin dew Mar 8, 2025, 12:41 PM

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night girder > Context switching between working threads is generally more resource-intensive...

Which this kind of says, but in very bad way, in the second sections last few points.

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But basically the context switch itself is always the same cost.

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Like you said.

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The stuff to be saved and restores is the exact same no matter the thread, just the innermost CPU core state for that thread.

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Stuff below L1 cache like registers etc.

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 1:03 PM

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ugh, I need to start coding. Just don't feel like it today 🙈

twin dew Mar 8, 2025, 1:11 PM

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night girder you can check for threads and cores in the code and act upon it.

Also, on this.
Every time your program calls OS kernel code, you get pre-empted anyways.
So if you try to query about thread status, you just got bumped off, and you get the reply next time it gets scheduled back in.

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 1:12 PM

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No, not like that. Check the OS/system at start of your code to see what system your dealing with.

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optimize accordingly.

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Not during runtime, just at setup.

twin dew Mar 8, 2025, 1:13 PM

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Which is what spawning "right" amount of worker threads into worker pool is about.

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 1:18 PM

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and other stuff.

mental oriole Mar 8, 2025, 2:03 PM

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night girder ugh, I need to start coding. Just don't feel like it today 🙈

Procrastinate like I do all the time hehe

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 2:21 PM

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mental oriole Procrastinate like I do all the time <:hehe:382483156542029825>

Yeah, I need to slide in vite 5.0 into my project.

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So, it's going to be a bunch of refactoring and I don't feel like it 🤣

mental oriole Mar 8, 2025, 2:22 PM

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What is vite 5? I might have heard of it but can't put my tounge on it...

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 2:23 PM

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it's a development server with features like HMR.

mental oriole Mar 8, 2025, 2:23 PM

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Ahh

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I need a dev setup for my new install...

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Thinking of vscode but I don't really like vscode...

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 2:27 PM

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I am not sure yet. I am constantly changing my tech stack 😄

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Have you ever produced HTML with code? I tried it this time and I am not a fan. I rather have HTML templates that you can swap out with code. Than building HTML with code.

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Example. This creates a simple HTML table 😒

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and all the methods like createTableBody etc, are methods I had to make for efficiency.

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That's the method for createDiv for example.

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<table>
<tr>
<th>Header 1</th>
<th>Header 2</th>
<th>Header 3</th>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Data 1</td>
<td>Data 2</td>
<td>Data 3</td>
</tr>
</table>

This would be it for HTML template more or less.

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Svelte is also something I am looking into.

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svelte.dev (very cool stuff)

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You have a .svelte file. Which is a HTML component. This contains both script, style and html.

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All together, which is very nice.

mental oriole Mar 8, 2025, 4:03 PM

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Interesting.

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 4:13 PM

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mental oriole Interesting.

And it just works. I just created, compiled and build .app pretty straight forward.

mental oriole Mar 8, 2025, 4:13 PM

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I hate git on windows

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It forces you to use 💩 tokens

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 4:13 PM

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not always a fan of git

mental oriole Mar 8, 2025, 4:13 PM

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Like

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I want to delete my branch

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This crap pops up...

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 4:14 PM

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wait. Mhm.

mental oriole Mar 8, 2025, 4:15 PM

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Don't have that issue on linux for example, because it just fucking works.

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 4:15 PM

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Don't you have to setup ssh?

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docs.github.com/en/authentication/connecting-to-github-with-ssh

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on mac, I installed little helper that setup connection to git and stored the key somewhere.

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So, I only saw that window once at setup.

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git-credential-manager. That's the name.

mental oriole Mar 8, 2025, 4:16 PM

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The thing I have used the same setup on windows

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and it just recently broke...

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 4:17 PM

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Ugh ...

mental oriole Mar 8, 2025, 4:17 PM

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But I'm deleting windows soon hehe

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I ran memtest on my new rig today and everything is OK so far.

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 4:20 PM

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Nice 😄

charred relic Mar 8, 2025, 5:00 PM

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I ran memtest on my brain and the results are

mental oriole Mar 8, 2025, 5:10 PM

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is it /dev/null? hehe

twin dew Mar 8, 2025, 5:10 PM

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He never got any results, as the brain forgot it was supposed to do something.

mental oriole Mar 8, 2025, 5:10 PM

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xD

charred relic Mar 8, 2025, 5:14 PM

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What are you people on about...

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shakes his head mumbling something about sometimes thinking they are crazy

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 5:47 PM

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@charred relic You know who's guitar this is?

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It's a monster 🤣

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||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECHlMc6AAl0||

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Was a friend of Eric Clapton.

mental oriole Mar 8, 2025, 6:49 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mCsluv5FXA

YouTube

Michigan TypeScript

TypeScript types can run DOOM

Yep. We got the Doom engine running purely in TypeScript types. Like. For real. We’ve prepared two more videos, one answering “why we did this” (storytime format) and another answering “how we did this” (technical deep-dive). What would you like to hear about for those?

It’s all open source: https://github.com/MichiganTypeScript/typescript...

▶ Play video

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 6:54 PM

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Have you seen the captcha I posted a while back?

mental oriole Mar 8, 2025, 6:55 PM

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The doom one?

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 6:55 PM

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👆

mental oriole Mar 8, 2025, 6:55 PM

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yus

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 6:55 PM

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Have you played it?

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It's pretty hard 🤣 Atleast it was at release.

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I failed the captcha multiple times lol 😄

mental oriole Mar 8, 2025, 6:56 PM

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night girder Have you played it?

Played a similar not sure if it's the same I played.

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 6:56 PM

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doom-captcha.vercel.app

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Woop woop! 😄

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Just don't run out, there is a cage with some enemies that shoot you to hell.

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There was also doom in .pdf.

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well... there is doom in/on everything lol.

twin dew Mar 8, 2025, 6:58 PM

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Man Accidentally Runs Doom in Typescript Types Trying to Prove He Can't

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 6:58 PM

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Typescript good hehe

mental oriole Mar 8, 2025, 6:59 PM

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12 days to generate one frame hehe

twin dew Mar 8, 2025, 6:59 PM

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Not in TypeScript, as that would been somewhat trivial.

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But TypeScript Types system.

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 6:59 PM

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What?

twin dew Mar 8, 2025, 6:59 PM

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mental oriole 12 days to generate one frame <:hehe:382483156542029825>

First one, to "compile" the thing, seems to have ran somewhat ok after that?

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 6:59 PM

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Typescript is a superset of javascript.

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With the whole purpose of adding types...

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so what you on about TypeScript Types? 🤨 That's it's core function.

twin dew Mar 8, 2025, 7:00 PM

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But point was that he didn't use TypeScript normally.

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But implemented the whole thing as shit-ton of different types, instead of actual code.

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 7:00 PM

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Nobody does rofl 🤣

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It's still super hacky wacky.

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will watch video later tonight 😄

twin dew Mar 8, 2025, 7:01 PM

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So he didn't code in TypeScript, using types etc.
He coded in TypeScript Types system.

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 7:05 PM

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It looks like he just uses the types system, he still codes in typescript.

twin dew Mar 8, 2025, 7:06 PM

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Watch the video first.

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 7:06 PM

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.ts files. 😭

twin dew Mar 8, 2025, 7:08 PM

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He coded in "TypeScript".
But he used just Types in way that is not intended, to use them to make a state machine, that then ran the game.
Making Doom port normally into TypeScript would be pretty trivial.

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Point is he didn't really code in TypeScript, but abused single language feature, coding in TypeScript Types.

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 7:11 PM

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@mental oriole https://github.com/MichiganTypeScript/typescript-types-only-wasm-runtime/tree/master

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There's blood spattered about and although it's clear the murder weapon is still in the house .... it's not clear exactly where in the house it might be 🤣

mental oriole Mar 8, 2025, 7:12 PM

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"If you like to get it to run Crysis" hehe

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 7:12 PM

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Haha, so funny 🤣

mental oriole Mar 8, 2025, 7:12 PM

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Now...

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 7:12 PM

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He sound so salty.

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He wanted to proof it didn't work... and it worked. So he just gave up and published his findings hahaha

charred relic Mar 8, 2025, 7:17 PM

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o.O

pure karma Mar 8, 2025, 8:07 PM

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😂

visual tree Mar 8, 2025, 8:14 PM

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*hope he goes bankrupt

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Here, you would get a nice visit from the tax department though. It's illegal to sell so many products without opening a company

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 8:20 PM

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Is there some more context?

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You want the guy in the red hat to go bankrupt, so homer can buy a 9070XTS?

visual tree Mar 8, 2025, 8:32 PM

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My heart says yes hehe

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Even though a part of blame is on people who buy from scalpers

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If gamers stopped buying from scalpers, there would be less scalpers

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 8:36 PM

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oh, I though I missed a news article

gilded helm Mar 8, 2025, 9:13 PM

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Back when I watched the LTT WAN show, I think I remember Linus and Luke wondering aloud in 2021 during the last mining boom about whether it'd be better for retailers to just charge scalper prices to cut out a middleman. Now here we are and AIBs/retailers are living that out.

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I don't think there's much more that can be done to fight scalpers without providing real hassle to actual consumers.

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 9:22 PM

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How does scalping even work?

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Individual orders a large amount of GPU's from suppliers? And then sells them without paying taxes or what?

gilded helm Mar 8, 2025, 9:24 PM

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Groups of scalpers work together to basically attack Best Buy and other retailers. Only places like Microcenter are spared because Microcenter doesn't have online ordering.

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 9:26 PM

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Oh I see.

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 9:27 PM

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gilded helm I don't think there's much more that can be done to fight scalpers without provi...

Yeah, when it's like that there isn't much you can do.

gilded helm Mar 8, 2025, 9:32 PM

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I've seen the downside of anti-scalper protections. When I ordered my laptop in 2022, I made a new Walmart account to do so. They cancelled my order 3+ times. I went to Lenovo for it, they cancelled my order 3+ times. They accidentally paid out to Rakuten on one of those which was nice. Then I went back to Walmart, and ultimately got the laptop after 2+ more order attempts.

Part of the "problem" is that I live in a state with no sales tax. A huge amount of scalping flows through states with no income tax, so the scrutiny is probably higher.

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 9:33 PM

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a state with no sales tax? Never heard of that.

visual tree Mar 8, 2025, 10:02 PM

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Oregon USA has no taxes afaik

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My dad bought a laptop there while he was visiting USA

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Also, scalping doesn't work here to a certain degree because of laws

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You could resell a couple of GPU's but more than that and you could get in trouble

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Since tax department will classify sudden high income as "continuous economic activity" and fine you for not opening a company

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Apparently, there are also 4 other states without sales tax

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 10:14 PM

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Yeah, looked it up 😊

languid gulch Mar 8, 2025, 10:15 PM

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don't dig too much into the american tax system, it makes mmo crafting systems look simple

visual tree Mar 8, 2025, 10:18 PM

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languid gulch don't dig too much into the american tax system, it makes mmo crafting systems l...

I gave up earning money online for a similar reason in my country because tax laws for online earnings are so confusing

languid gulch Mar 8, 2025, 10:19 PM

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yea a lot of that stuff seems to operate under the "what are taxes?" logic

visual tree Mar 8, 2025, 10:21 PM

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Last time I checked, online earnings tax is 20% + surtax of 10% on retirement insurance and 7,5% tax on health insurance

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*and probably some hidden fine print tax....

gilded helm Mar 8, 2025, 10:24 PM

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visual tree Since tax department will classify sudden high income as "continuous economic ac...

But you have a cost basis to write off. So it works perfectly well, you just need to pay income taxes on it.

visual tree Mar 8, 2025, 10:25 PM

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You could only pax taxes through company afaik

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You can't just sell a lot of items and simply pay taxes without owning a company

gilded helm Mar 8, 2025, 10:27 PM

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That's not correct

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Running a business without "a company" just makes you a sole proprietor with no DBA.

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This is not sketchiness with loopholes or anything. It's so one person contractors have lower overhead.

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Using the term contractor to refer to someone who's not an employee. Musicians, for instance.

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Anyone in the USA can go to banks and open business banking products without registering any company with the State or Feds as a sole prop no DBA.

visual tree Mar 8, 2025, 10:31 PM

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I was referring to my country btw. Don't know much about the laws in USA

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Some people here were selling a lot of items online as a natural person, got flagged by tax department and got fined

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If you sold a very expensive art, you won't get in trouble for example

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But if your income from selling items online keeps growing continuously, that will get you in trouble

gilded helm Mar 8, 2025, 10:35 PM

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That sounds weird to me unless there are laws specifically against resale there. Reselling (otherwise know as scalping) isn't really different than any other sales business on a basic level. You buy inventory, you move inventory, and your profits are taxed.

visual tree Mar 8, 2025, 10:37 PM

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The only logical explanation: we have dumb laws 😛

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I also hate that you can't simply earn money through reselling and paying tax as a natural person

gilded helm Mar 8, 2025, 10:38 PM

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Heh heh, it all comes down to who paid the most to lobbyists.

visual tree Mar 8, 2025, 10:39 PM

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My guess is that simply paying taxes on sold stuff as a natural person is much lower than owning a company and that's why the government forces you to start a company so they can tax you more

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 10:39 PM

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gilded helm Heh heh, it all comes down to who paid the most to lobbyists.

you think lobbying is fair?

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oh, shit. It's protected by the First Amendment?

gilded helm Mar 8, 2025, 10:42 PM

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In practice lobbying is a resources contest.

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 10:42 PM

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yeah, I find it a bit weird. Money influencing laws.

gilded helm Mar 8, 2025, 10:43 PM

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It's very rightfully protected speech, but like anything else, it needs to be well regulated.

night girder Mar 8, 2025, 10:43 PM

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Even against science.

pure karma Mar 8, 2025, 11:37 PM

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"2 balls Bearing hell" can summaries the new GN video

charred relic Mar 9, 2025, 12:53 AM

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But... demon core

soft bloom Mar 9, 2025, 12:59 AM

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flame without gravity
looks like jellyfish
https://youtube.com/shorts/P9kbeQO-fxM?si=bx5oguQrTRYeAGHO

YouTube

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No Gravity, No Problem: Flames Go Spherical! #shorts #science #scie...

Ever wondered what happens to flames in zero gravity? In this NASA experiment, flames form a unique spherical shape when gravity is removed! Watch as fire behaves differently in space with no gravitational pull. This mind-blowing experiment shows how fire adapts in microgravity, creating spherical flames that are out of this world!

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Milankovich cycles predicts next ice age? maybe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYU1QWCesKE
he pointed out that precession period length is defined somewhat freely in paper... and it depends on couple factors

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Study Uncovers How Milankovitch Cycles Work Predicting Next Ice Age

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Hello and welcome! My name is Anton and in this video, we will talk about Milankobitch cycles and the ice ages
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So, in 12 thousand years we may have easier time cooling nvidia qtx 69690 ti

twin dew Mar 9, 2025, 8:32 AM

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Starship destruction leaks:

Yesterday's post in the channel about the preliminary causes of the Flight 8 crash is confirmed for now. What else we managed to find out:

Data indicates that the problem like on S33 during Flight 7 has repeated.

Again, harmonic oscillations in the distribution of vacuum-insulated fuel lines for RVac (one of the innovations of V2 and the distribution for S34).

This crash was more destructive than during Flight 7, the corrections to the distribution for S34 did not work or turned out to be almost worse.

Another source leaked a frame from the engine bay after the TPA and RVac nozzle rupture, and one central Raptor engine.

Problems with the rupture of methane lines in the oxygen tank only appear as the tank empties.

When filled, liquid oxygen dampens the oscillations of the distributed lines, when the tank is empty, they increase.

Harmonics cause a break in the lines in the lower part, where the main wiring for the RVac is located.

Leaks also caused the engines and regenerative cooling to malfunction, which led to the explosion during the fire in the compartment.

The updated nitrogen suppression and compartment purge system would not have been able to cope with such a volume of leakage.

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The information below may change, but for now:

Hot separation also aggravates the situation in the compartment.

Not related to the flames from the Super Heavy during the booster turn.

This is a fundamental miscalculation in the design of the Starship V2 and the engine section.

The fuel lines, wiring for the engines and the power unit will be urgently redone.

The fate of S35 and S36 is still unclear. Either revision or scrap.

For the next ships, some processes may be paused in production until a decision on the design is made.

The team was rushed with fixes for S34, hence the nervous start. There was no need to rush.

The fixes will take much longer than 4-6 weeks.

Comprehensive ground testing with long-term fire tests is needed.

languid gulch Mar 9, 2025, 8:51 AM

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this is kinda where i call inexperience & either forgetting or ignoring the old lessons learned

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harmonics breaking lines was a problem on the early Saturn Vs, and they solved it by swapping it for flex lines

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and in some cases on the Saturn V testing, they did the opposite. engineers noticed that some flex lines would break during flight, which they didn't notice during ground testing because they were covered in ice, stiffening them. so hard lines were swapped in & the problem was solved

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again, old lessons ignored or forgotten

twin dew Mar 9, 2025, 9:02 AM

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They swapped from single large single-walled downcomer to four double-walled ones from v1 to v2.

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With vacuum between the walls for insulation.

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And again, like you pointed, different locations need different solution.
SpaceX tried to "simplify" and future-proof the design (with v3 designed to go to 7 downcomers), and now found issues.
Tried to do simple fix which didn't work.
Seems they at least ground tested three different fixes, one on each RVac downcomer, and might even have flown with all three.
And at least one failed in flight, the two others might have been fine.

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Iterative design, by design.

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Fly when you think with somewhat high confidence that you will get sufficiently farther than previous flight to generate valuable data.

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For that first stacked Starship + Superheavy flight, the minimum requirement they were aiming for was to get far enough before disaster that they wouldn't wreck the launch mount and tower.

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And aim was to get to max-Q

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They wrecked several (almost) ready starships later as they were surplus to requirements in the end, as those early flights did much better than they expected.
And switched to newer builds with changes from lessons learned.
Now the larger and much changed v2 design used on flights 7 and 8 is having teething issues in one part of the changed design, and at least one of the quick & dirty on-the-line fixes didn't work.
Two others might have worked or not, we don't know.

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We will now see if SpaceX has to go for bigger design change and larger ground test program to validate, or just switch to best of the three tested fixes as informed by latest flight.

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If they actually flew with all three they ground tested in same test, one per downcomer.

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Remember that the actual incremental cost of the flight was six engines and the fuel used.
And they got more data on the issue, and another booster return cycle including the data etc.

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And this was first time with altered return final approach back to the tower.
First two were done differently.

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And getting that booster return and reuse onto the table will make any later (test) flights much cheaper.

night girder Mar 9, 2025, 10:33 AM

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I can maybe buy a M920Q, but seller doesn't trust me 🤣

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Because I made a "new account" so I could bid on it. FML!

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Fine. I'll keep my money then.

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Looked like a nice specced one for me.

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i5-8500T, 16GB DDR4 (nice), HDD 256GB (maybe needs upgrade), no VGA, no WLAN and 8x PCIE slot.

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Especially that 8500T is too good to be true. I find worse combo's/cpu's for more price on local websites (2nd hand).

twin dew Mar 9, 2025, 11:40 AM

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So many scammers around that anyone without history is seen as unreliable.

night girder Mar 9, 2025, 11:52 AM

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Yeah, I told him I understand. He just needs to let me know. So I can remove my bid.

mental oriole Mar 9, 2025, 12:49 PM

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Having two keyboards be fun 😄

night girder Mar 9, 2025, 12:49 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/lucy-computer-hacker-hacking-typing-gif-24124202

Tenor

mental oriole Mar 9, 2025, 12:50 PM

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installing steam on arch be like

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visual tree Mar 9, 2025, 1:01 PM

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@mental oriole Even though I don't understand swedish, this song is now engraved in my brain hehe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIvtyzCYJDg

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Melodifestivalen

FINALEN: KAJ - Bara bada bastu

Startnummer 12 i finalen 2025 i Stockholm

Artist: KAJ
Bidrag: Bara bada bastu
Låtskrivare: Anderz Wrethov, Axel Åhman, Jakob Norrgård, Kevin Holmström, Kristofer Strandberg, Robert Skowronski

KAJ är en finlandssvensk humorgrupp som består av Kevin Holmström, Axel Åhman och Jakob Norrgård. Gruppen bildades i Vörå, Österbotten år 2009 och har se...

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Apparently, they are also speaking finnish at some point

mental oriole Mar 9, 2025, 1:02 PM

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hehe

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Too bad I don't watch mello

visual tree Mar 9, 2025, 1:02 PM

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I need to visit a therapist, I literally played that song more than 15 times

twin dew Mar 9, 2025, 1:05 PM

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Yksi, Kaksi, Kolme Saunaa. (finnish)
One, two, three saunas

Bastu is swedish for sauna.
Sauna is finnish.

night girder Mar 9, 2025, 1:05 PM

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omg ...

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so finnish

visual tree Mar 9, 2025, 1:05 PM

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Oh, they are actually a group from Finland

twin dew Mar 9, 2025, 1:05 PM

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The band is composed of swedish-fins, or finnish-swedes.

night girder Mar 9, 2025, 1:11 PM

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mental oriole <:hehe:382483156542029825>

I know you are not really into web development, but svelte + tauri is an amazing stack so far.

twin dew Mar 9, 2025, 1:12 PM

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Ok, so swedish-fins.
Part of the population of Finland who natively (still) speak swedish.

night girder Mar 9, 2025, 1:12 PM

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With minimal effort, I spin up svelte server with HMR and it works with Tauri.

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Tauri uses underlying browsers to create a little app. It's like electron, only it doesn't ship Chromium or anything.

WebView2 (Windows)

Tauri uses WebView2 which is based on Microsoft Edge and therefore Chromium. WebView2 can update itself, you are guaranteed a relatively recent chromium build on all Windows targets.

WebView2 is supported on Windows 7 and newer and comes preinstalled on Windows 11. On versions older than Windows 11 the installer generated by Tauri takes care of ensuring WebView2 is installed on the system.
WebKit (macOS, iOS, & Linux)

Tauri uses WebKit on macOS (through WKWebView) and Linux (through webkit2gtk).

visual tree Mar 9, 2025, 1:13 PM

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twin dew Ok, so swedish-fins. Part of the population of Finland who natively (still) spea...

The only words I understand are Sauna and Perkele lol

night girder Mar 9, 2025, 1:14 PM

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I get a 8.5MB app instead of the 100MB + app I got with Electron. Really impressed.

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The biggest drawback is Rust 😕 The project itself and the dependencies easily get to 3-4GB for a little project.

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So, more overhead for developer (bigger project size), smaller footprint for the user (small .app)

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For a "Hello world" I got 1GB project. All rust dependencies that get cached for compiling.

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But it just works, which is kinda impressive hehe

mental oriole Mar 9, 2025, 1:15 PM

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1Gb hello bloat hehe

night girder Mar 9, 2025, 1:16 PM

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Yeah, I asked the community if I was doing somethign wrong.

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https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/discussions/10237

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The src-tauri folder size is too large · tauri-apps tauri · Discuss...

这个文件夹在下载依赖并且构建编译之后往往能达到3个GB以上,大家也有这个问题吗 This folder often reaches more than 3GB after downloading dependencies and building and compiling, does anyone else have this problem?

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but I wasn't alone 😄 The answer is; it's normal. It's not tauri. It's rust.

mental oriole Mar 9, 2025, 1:17 PM

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idk

night girder Mar 9, 2025, 1:17 PM

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But I can live with that, nothing is perfect. Rather have this, then to have to ship 100MB app with "hello world".

mental oriole Mar 9, 2025, 1:17 PM

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1Gb for printf does NOT sound normal.

night girder Mar 9, 2025, 1:17 PM

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It's totally normal?

mental oriole Mar 9, 2025, 1:17 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

night girder Mar 9, 2025, 1:17 PM

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The dependencies are used to compile the applications.

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You just clean up the folder after compile if you want.

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But then it will take longer to compile next time (since you deleted the cache).

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you have a large target folder and long compile times but your users have small and fast apps

visual tree Mar 9, 2025, 2:49 PM

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Any opinions about my solar calculations? 🙂

pure karma Mar 9, 2025, 3:00 PM

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Wha…why?

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Why… thats my opinion

visual tree Mar 9, 2025, 3:04 PM

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Doing calculations if 5 kWh solar panels are going to be enough for Scenario 1 where I use central heating during winter and AC during summer

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And Scenario 2 where I would use AC for both heating and cooling

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In Scenario 2, I am consuming 800 kWh more though

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I also need to be careful not to consume more than 3 kWh during the period from September to March or I will have to pay 50% more on every kWh consumed above 3 kWh

tough owl Mar 9, 2025, 5:38 PM

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visual tree Any opinions about my solar calculations? 🙂

Now that’s an excel sheet

visual tree Mar 9, 2025, 5:42 PM

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The bottom part is an image though 😛

night girder Mar 9, 2025, 8:04 PM

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@visual tree ask baldur 😉

twin dew Mar 9, 2025, 8:04 PM

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And I would have said something if I had any real idea right now.

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Didn't have time or energy to try to learn enough to have usable opinion.

night girder Mar 9, 2025, 8:05 PM

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I am speechless.

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We found Baldurs kryptonite, solar energy!

twin dew Mar 9, 2025, 8:06 PM

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Making this kind of cost-benefit calculation for electricity and solar power.

twin dew Mar 9, 2025, 8:06 PM

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visual tree I also need to be careful not to consume more than 3 kWh during the period from ...

And even less idea about this kind of country specific gotchas in mix.

night girder Mar 9, 2025, 8:07 PM

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Since it's about heating and cooling, isn't isolating your house also a factor to consider? 🤔

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better isolated house = less heat loss = less central heating = less energy = lower price

twin dew Mar 9, 2025, 8:08 PM

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But do it wrong and you wreck the house.

night girder Mar 9, 2025, 8:08 PM

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but maybe that's of no use when thinking about solar energy.

twin dew Mar 9, 2025, 8:08 PM

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With condensation etc.

night girder Mar 9, 2025, 8:09 PM

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Why is power consumption higher for 2nd scenario a few months?

visual tree Mar 9, 2025, 8:10 PM

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My house has insulation so less heat is lost 👍

night girder Mar 9, 2025, 8:10 PM

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AC heating consume more to heat?

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What are the benefits of scenario 1?

visual tree Mar 9, 2025, 8:11 PM

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night girder Why is power consumption higher for 2nd scenario a few months?

Because in Scenario 2 I don't use natural gas boiler and use AC instead for heating

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Which means extra power consumption

night girder Mar 9, 2025, 8:11 PM

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And the benefits are you have one AC unit that does both?

visual tree Mar 9, 2025, 8:11 PM

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Instead of using natural gas for heating

dire igloo Mar 9, 2025, 8:11 PM

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less efficient, but more climate friendly

night girder Mar 9, 2025, 8:11 PM

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And else you need to maintain two systems? (gas/central heating and AC)

dire igloo Mar 9, 2025, 8:12 PM

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cuz power consumption is less bad than burning fossil fuels

visual tree Mar 9, 2025, 8:12 PM

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I was thinking of ditching gas boiler since natural gas is very expensive, including gas boiler maintenance

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So, Scenario 2 is for using AC for both heating and cooling

night girder Mar 9, 2025, 8:13 PM

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What is radiation? In the excel?

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☢️

visual tree Mar 9, 2025, 8:14 PM

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I think it's related to solar panel infrared thermal radiation, could be wrong

twin dew Mar 9, 2025, 8:15 PM

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That Yearly in-plane irradiation?
Just means how much light hits the panels.

visual tree Mar 9, 2025, 8:15 PM

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I am using this calculator btw: re.jrc.ec.europa.eu/pvg_tools/en/tools.html

visual tree Mar 9, 2025, 8:16 PM

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twin dew That Yearly in-plane irradiation? Just means how much light hits the panels.

Oh right, that sounds probable

twin dew Mar 9, 2025, 8:16 PM

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Basically how much energy you get from the light hitting the panels on average per square meter of panels when those are oriented at the specced fixed orientation at the specced location on earth.

night girder Mar 9, 2025, 8:17 PM

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Well, that was my sanity check 🤣 I asked all the questions that came to mind.

twin dew Mar 9, 2025, 8:18 PM

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Does that calc take weather into account in the calculations?

night girder Mar 9, 2025, 8:18 PM

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I hope so 😒 Else it would be a poor calculator.

visual tree Mar 9, 2025, 8:18 PM

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You need to set your location first so I guess it does

twin dew Mar 9, 2025, 8:18 PM

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Ah, there was that "Radiation" button.
Just will show that light amount.

night girder Mar 9, 2025, 8:18 PM

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You would assume it takes average hours of sun during that month for a specific location, based on weather history.

twin dew Mar 9, 2025, 8:19 PM

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visual tree You need to set your location first so I guess it does

That is needed for just the amount of theoretical sunlight.
Then additional step would be to take average weather into account too.

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But because the bars aren't symmetrical, weather is probably taken into account.

night girder Mar 9, 2025, 8:19 PM

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Also, just keep in mind that gas might be more expensive than electricity at the moment, doesn't mean it will stay like that.

visual tree Mar 9, 2025, 8:20 PM

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Considering there is less and less snow each year while average winter temperatures are increasing, I probably shouldn't worry about this 😅

twin dew Mar 9, 2025, 8:20 PM

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And that there is "year to year variance" specced, also points to taking weather into account now that I think about it.

night girder Mar 9, 2025, 8:20 PM

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I find it uncertain times when it comes to choosing between gas vs electricity etc.

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Because it looks like the future is; everything on electricity.

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That means also cars, and naturally that would push prices up.

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IF that happens.

visual tree Mar 9, 2025, 8:21 PM

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I still need to heat sanitary water for showering and washing hands but luckily you only need what's called "Instantaneous gas water heaters" which are cheap

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If you want to both heat the house and sanitary water, you need condensing gas boilers which are very expensive

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The one I have atm was around €3000

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While Instantaneous gas water heaters for heating sanitary water only are around €300-800 depending on the model

twin dew Mar 9, 2025, 8:23 PM

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Also available in models that use electricity.

visual tree Mar 9, 2025, 8:23 PM

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In short, Scenario 2 means using AC for both heating and cooling while using instantaneous gas water heater for heating water

night girder Mar 9, 2025, 8:23 PM

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mhm... no geysers nearby?

visual tree Mar 9, 2025, 8:23 PM

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Scenario 1 would mean I am using AC only for cooling during summer and still using condensing gas boilers which are very expensive in general

visual tree Mar 9, 2025, 8:24 PM

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night girder mhm... no geysers nearby?

No geysers nearby but we have the highest geothermal potential in Europe afaik. They are going to do test drills in my city soon to determine potential

night girder Mar 9, 2025, 8:25 PM

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Learned in ONI that geysers can be very useful 😉

twin dew Mar 9, 2025, 8:25 PM

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But that kind of on-feed-pipe instant heaters are available as that gas-burner type, and electrical resistance heater type.

visual tree Mar 9, 2025, 8:27 PM

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You also need to be very careful not to oversize your PV system (produce more electricity than you consume)

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Since producing more electricity than you consume means you will be put in a customer category with much higher electricity prices

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And if you somehow later don't produce enough electricity, your bill is going to be high

night girder Mar 9, 2025, 8:28 PM

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Why?

twin dew Mar 9, 2025, 8:28 PM

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Not for the electrical company.

night girder Mar 9, 2025, 8:29 PM

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visual tree Since producing more electricity than you consume means you will be put in a cus...

You produce more than you consume, that's a good thing no?