off-topic-tech

[twin dew]

There are no real new protections in last 20 years.

Maybe the usage of those on actual complete devices has increased.

But you cannot protect uncased things fully.

Too many possible contact points for first contact.

[languid gulch]

JTC & LTT with Electroboom really tortured some pc internals & it survived way more than i thought

[twin dew]

Lot of ESD damage isn't instant, but causes initial damage that will worsen in use until causes instability or breakage.

[languid gulch]

just sounds kinda weird to have multiple people reporting them DOA

[twin dew]

Needs specialist equipment to image and then painstaking visual search to confirm after initial zap.
In cases it isn't high enough for instant dead.

[twin dew]

I would count it as confirmation bias at this time.
If there was 0.1% dead rate, lot of those people would instant get to Internet and yell.

And 1% would still be completely normal.

[languid gulch]

yea good point

especially with this series too i guess

[night girder]

My local PC shop laughed at me when i asked for anti static wrist wrap.

"Never, in all the years I build PC's, have I ever used that. And never was it needed." - was their answer.

[twin dew]

And how many broken parts or later warranty cases has that caused, but they haven't just connected the dots.

[night girder]

I never set foot in their again. Didn't order any parts through them either.

The shop owner clearly had their opinion about it and think it's all bullshit.

[twin dew]

But that is very common old adage still being propagated along.

[night girder]

Yeah, I went there after we talked about it a year ago.

In the hope they had anti static bracelets and they just laughed at me.

[sharp oasis]

Do you guys know of any decent multi GPU anti sag supports

[night girder]

Also, how much does it cost for a PC building shop / hardware to use bracelets?

They can write it off.

[night girder]

Nah, am looking myself for that. For a single GPU.

Was thinking about something like that. Srewable.

Got something like this Not exactly the same. Similar. And it sucks.

[sharp oasis]

I gotta deal with the 520w brick of two gpus

Yes the upper GPU is so entirely choked its undervolted to make sure it doesn't overheat

In total with rendering im pulling at least 675-700w from wall

[night girder]

I was to say ... that's an interesting setup. Was wondering about temperatures for the sandwich GPU's.

[sharp oasis]

Lower GPU is fine and upper GPU stays at about 70-75c loaded with a heavy undervolt

[twin dew]

Would probably try something like:
(Kolink Core Adept VGA Support Mount / Jonsbo VC-1 Black, possibly other variants)

[sharp oasis]

I am looking at a bigger case dw

But have yet to find one that is not absurdly expensive

[night girder]

That looks ... fragile?

And does the screw connect properly to the main rod?

[twin dew]

Metal on metal?
Main "failure" would be that the screws don't bite enough and that would allow the holder to lower with time.

[night girder]

or does it eventually start slipping downwards under the weight.

[night girder]

Yeah, that's what I am asking.

And the main rod just looks fragile. Easy to break of the foot.

Do you have that one Baldur?

[sharp oasis]

Cursed vs less cursed power setup...

[twin dew]

Easy enough to DIY something.
But there is nothing better I know that actually can be adjusted.
And for GPU weights, perfectly adequate

[night girder]

For dual gpu? I don't know either. Single GPU. The one I posted adjusts better. And is more sturdy.

Since you don't screw horizontal, but vertically.

[sharp oasis]

I was honestly thinking of doing that but said its probably much safer to have one GPU on its own like and the other GPU at least on two lines

[twin dew]

Meant that dual support at different levels.

[night girder]

Ok, just wondering. If you know something better for single GPU, let me know.

Open for ideas.

[sharp oasis]

Might need to bite the bullet and get myself a Corsair 7000D

Or something that will allow me to have the gpus a bit further apart

[night girder]

Or Lian Li is also good I belive.

source if you are interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxmy6A3v4Nw

[sharp oasis]

Just needs to be able to support multiple gpus with more spacing that's about it

[pure karma]

with the size of those cards its definitely not easy

[night girder]

I think 011 is big case. ((D) 471 x (W) 285 x (H) 513 mm)

[sharp oasis]

Nope sure ain't

Two triple slots

[charred relic]

yeah i have the 011 Vision and it's 6

unless you have the board in the lower position then it's 5... but you gain enough space for a second rear fan 😄

Water blocks 😄

most of the size is that giant chunk of metal fins lol

[sharp oasis]

Possible but expensive to make and id need a huge radiator setup to handle two gpus

[night girder]

Cute 🤣

[charred relic]

wideboi

[visual tree]

Whoever decided to put manholes in the middle of the road every 10 meters deserves a bullet in the head

[pure karma]

🤣

[visual tree]

This is a local road to the shopping center and we call it "the alley of manholes"

[twin dew]

Well, position on the road is wrong....

Should be in center of one of the lanes.

[visual tree]

I always move to the right lane and try to drive close to the curb so the manholes don't damage my car....

[night girder]

what is the logic?

[visual tree]

That's the problem, there is zero logic in this

There are some rumors why this was made but you can't know if it's true

Correction: google maps distance measurement is around 20 meters, not 10

[night girder]

I though it was to flush the segments if needed 🤣

but that means you have other issues if you need that for every segment 😄

[visual tree]

Not to mention this is also dangerous if some manhole cover is not properly seated in the hole. Someone online mentioned they know a friend who ran over a cover that wasn't properly seated and it damaged the wheels

[dire igloo]

O11 Mini can eat my ass, nobody in their right makes an ATX fishtank that only fits SFX PSUs
Air version is fine tho

[soft bloom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsVvr_sc4dk
Interesting
So this is Greece, and might not actualy be Santorini...
He admits his explanation was wrong, because no uplift detected
And begins with shaming prediction of M6+ in near future based on VAN method
||and I watched this 5 minutes after reading similar prediction though of different undisclosed method of M6 to M7 in range of 5 to 15 february||
How will it turn out? will see

[pure karma]

my H9 Flow is 7 slots 🤷‍♂️

you would almost need 8 slots

im not sure if that even exists

[dire igloo]

#off-topic-general

[sharp oasis]

Could. I put a gpu at the bottom of my Mobo and be fine is the question

[pure karma]

its either that or watercooling i feel

[sharp oasis]

Yeah

[pure karma]

unrelated but im pretty sure i exceeded my PSU's limit the one time i ran 2 GPU's

because i calculated 835/850W just CPU+GPU's

[soft bloom]

isn't that still too nerdy for general?

[sharp oasis]

I have A 1kw so im good

[dire igloo]

it's not tech and it's more related to just sharing random stuff about the world - and especially with the feedback we both got for discussing non-tech stuff in here, I'd say it's best to put that into the other off topic channel

[soft bloom]

description of channel is still "nerd stuff here like science"
when did we receive that feedback for non-tech stuff?..

here's some tech gpu hardware software ai stuff:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEtb0punTHk
nothing drives my gears like an argument about what companies do with involvement of insider sources without any way of verifying the claims, and ofcourse "my 2 friends did X"

[dire igloo]

#off-topic-tech message

[dire igloo]

have you not noticed herg's and Letterdief's comments?

[soft bloom]

Only about repeating topic

Someone else talked that chat is toxic

[dire igloo]

no, it was about a discussion dragging on and on and no longer being related to the channel

[soft bloom]

But i don't remember anything about these topics being out of place

[dire igloo]

either way, it's more non-tech stuff than tech stuff

[verbal raft]

to me this channel isnt what i expected it to be...

[visual tree]

Can we discuss about the german concept of Stoßlüften? It's nerd stuff, isn't it? 🤓

Not sure if the concept means opening all house windows for 5 minutes and letting stale air out during the morning, the day and night

Or just morning and night?

[verbal raft]

i expected mostly PC hardware / features (like upscaling RT etc.)
but from my perspective this channel is like a small community that talks about whatever it is that peaked someones interest

and most deffinately not an "off-topic-tech" channel

and i kind of feel like i dont fit in 🤷‍♂️

this channel isnt (for the most part) about stuff i am interested in

and if i want to talk about satisfactory i can go to #design-and-architecture or #screenshots and talk to people over there (this should be like this)

but if i want to talk tech i often find myself in the optiscaler discord or the Stalker 2 "PC-specs" channel

[night girder]

lightning, talk all the tech here you want.

[verbal raft]

and never here

[night girder]

It doesn't matter what other people are talking about 😉

I mean, it's not because other people are discussing science or anything else. You cannot post tech related topics.

[night girder]

I've not seen much about that in this channel tbh. It was mostly hardware related. Troubleshooting. Science. IT etc.

maybe we should ask for an off-topic-science channel? 🤔

[verbal raft]

i think that would be good for everyone

if the people in charge allowed it

[verbal raft]

it could just be me TBH

hallucintating stuff

[night girder]

No, I do agree that the science discussions clash with other hardware related topics/discussions lately.

And I am not saying, there shouldn't be room for such discussions. But maybe it deserves it's own channel once people start to leave the discord because of it.

[dire igloo]

it means opening all available holes for a short time to replace all used up air
the more time you spend inside, the more you should use it - sometimes multiple times a day

also, the more people there are and the smaller the room is

it's the counterpart to having your windows constantly open but only a little
instead of trickling in new air over time, you just flush the system and replenish it all in one go

be aware of drafts, those can and will slam any doors or windows that you didn't block to stay open

[visual tree]

I was having an argument with my mother regarding this. She believes germans only ventilate house during the morning while I believe you should do it at least 2 or 3 times a day

[dire igloo]

it's usually per floor or apartment, not for the entire building

I've hardly ever had the front door open for venting

[verbal raft]

there is something that i feel is great about this channel : there is near zero toxicity
(especially when comming from the optiscaler discord🙄 )

[pure karma]

fair enough thats basically what it is

[visual tree]

Haven't done it for the whole house yet. Good thing I asked lol

[dire igloo]

also: opening windows and doors in other rooms only serves the purpose of creating drafts inside the apartment

[pure karma]

its news and tech whenever something relevent happens and out of that it turns into whatever comes up in the moment

[dire igloo]

to accelerate the air replacement

[dire igloo]

nah, we hella toxic

[visual tree]

I hate people who heard you need to ventilate the house or room and they leave the windows opened for 1 hour....

[mental oriole]

"fun"
🙂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-pOcAYYTgs

[verbal raft]

really? for me it certainly doesnt seem like that

[glossy glacier]

ventilating the house in the morning/evening is a good way to cool it down in the summer months

[night girder]

That's very specific. Why germans?

[dire igloo]

or lengthy discussions about whatever because we are bored - or to abide by XKCD 386:
https://xkcd.com/386/

xkcd: Duty Calls

What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!

[verbal raft]

especially when compared to most other tech channels i have been a part of

[dire igloo]

I'm just messing with you

[verbal raft]

🤬

okay:)

[dire igloo]

that's bogus. the whole point of Stoßlüften is to NOT have windows open for a long time
in office spaces, it's usually recommended to do a few minutes every 2 or 3 hours

[pure karma]

i was gonna say i have been too busy playing subnautica to break something and yap about it but no i have

my ram started being unstable again

[visual tree]

For some reason, we think germans mastered the art of ventilating the house

[dire igloo]

this is true tho. bring in the cold morning air while you can, close the blinds to block sunlight, be outside most of the time, come back to a cool apartment in the evening

[night girder]

Sorry, but that cracks me up! 😆

I've heard many things in my life, but that's a first.

[dire igloo]

because most languages don't have a word to describe the concept of Stoßlüften - and it's become a meme for how serious Germans are about their routines

[visual tree]

Yeah, when someone mentions ventilating the room, we always mention how germans do it

[night girder]

Is this real?

[glossy glacier]

the true german way is to set the window on kippe

[visual tree]

Nooooo

[dire igloo]

which is super inefficient

[visual tree]

I used to kipp the windows in the past until I learned it's bad

Not to mention you might get mold in the ceiling because of that

[dire igloo]

yup, especially in the cold months when you want to reduce heating cost

and in the warm months when you want to minimize heat in your room

[visual tree]

https://youtube.com/shorts/atICmWqlbOc?si=jZEYxYcDA_yDgMAb

[night girder]

I am not doing it x minutes every y month.

I sleep with the windows open at night and that's about it 🤷‍♂️
Not in the cold months though.

[visual tree]

Wish I lived in climate where you don't need AC or heating

[night girder]

such as?

[dire igloo]

you can design buildings in a fashion that allows them to automatically adjust to temps

[visual tree]

Anywhere on equator although internet suggest moving to higher-altitude places

[night girder]

I read: San Diego

but I do think they have heating/ac there, not sure 🤔

[visual tree]

Oh, that's hell on earth lol

[night girder]

San Diego, California, USA - Known for its mild, Mediterranean climate, San Diego often has comfortable temperatures year-round.

[visual tree]

Huh, always thought San Diego was scorching hot

[night girder]

Winter (December to February): Average highs range from 18°C to 20°C (64°F to 68°F), and average lows range from 8°C to 10°C (46°F to 50°F).
Spring (March to May): Average highs range from 19°C to 23°C (66°F to 73°F), and average lows range from 10°C to 13°C (50°F to 55°F).
Summer (June to August): Average highs range from 24°C to 27°C (75°F to 81°F), and average lows range from 16°C to 18°C (61°F to 64°F).
Fall (September to November): Average highs range from 23°C to 26°C (73°F to 79°F), and average lows range from 12°C to 16°C (54°F to 61°F).

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[visual tree]

That sounds like a perfect temperature range for me

[pure karma]

i like 24C-28C

but i get -30C so i guess it is what it is

[jagged snow]

wow
I much prefer 18 and sunny

25 is so warm

[visual tree]

I think they implemented a law here which forces companies to build nearly zero-energy buildings but I am not sure (although this has nothing to do with temperatures I believe)

[pure karma]

might just be because my room hit as high as 32C this summer so i got too use to the warmth but yea anything bellow 23-24 i get chills and it feels horible

[jagged snow]

Wild

[dire igloo]

it does, kinda - because zero energy refers to total energy usage and that includes heating

it just means that the building has to consume at most the amount of energy it produces

[visual tree]

I survived 40 degrees celsius outside while wearing a business suit, 25 is nothing for me

I wouldn't recommend it though lol

[jagged snow]

I've worked in temps around 40 before but it's anything but comfortable 🤣

[dire igloo]

and you accomplish that by two ways:
reduce consumption (insulation against cold and heat, intelligent lighting) and improve production (solar panels, heat recycling)

[jagged snow]

There are also architecture styles that can work wonders to manage indoor temps

[visual tree]

I remember I generated more sweat in 1 hour than my dehumidifier collects moisture in few days

[soft bloom]

I do that, i'm not in Germany or german
it makes sense, instead of letting the breze constantly move air around, negating thermal insulation and AC
although, in summer, I mostly just keep balcony door open unless outside is sunny & hot or humid

[soft bloom]

this sounds like more generic and less nerd than anything talked here, hehe

[visual tree]

I seriously need to install solar panels asap so I can use AC for both cooling and heating. Gas boilers are expensive to buy and maintain

[night girder]

What does zero-energy mean? That the building can consume zero energy? Or that the whole setup, that means including resources for building materials, solar panels etc, requires zero energy?

[dire igloo]

have you seen how much Germans nerd about this stuff?

[dire igloo]

in most contexts, it means net-zero operation
in less common ones, it actually means zero consumption

[night girder]

because the solar panels, that you place on top of the building, to make them, you also need energy right? And the transport requires energy.

[visual tree]

I heard german landlords demand you to ventilate the apartment or they will kick you out lol

[soft bloom]

before I started talking about science and climate, I don't think it was discussed here outside of green & energy topics
As you said - people talk about their peak interest. it's not like you can't add to it. Even if you will get shouted on if it's not nerd, science or hardware programming.
tech is all of those things, and tech is an instrument of science. without tech, there wouldn't be nerds (even medieval book writing, early telescopes and geometry tools are tech)

[soft bloom]

but why?..

[night girder]

Mhm. I think I get it.

[visual tree]

Come to my house during winter and you will learn why

[verbal raft]

Fair.

[soft bloom]

I once needed to stay in hotel-studio-apartment for nearly a month
I got comment that mold that formed near windows was from keeping it too hot
that's despite daily opening windows to keep the fresh air in since otherwise I couldn't work or sleep

[dire igloo]

upfront energy cost isn't included - cuz you also need energy to build the house n all that shit

[night girder]

exactly.

So to get real net zero everything, it's kinda the next step.

[dire igloo]

some will, yeah - but that's primarily because a lack of venting can and eventually will cause mold to form

so they're essentially kicking you out for treating the apartment so poorly that it creates a health and safety hazard

[visual tree]

Can't argue with that

[dire igloo]

for now, neutral operation is a big goal on its own.
also: using renewably sourced building materials is a key part to lower emissions

cuz planting trees alone ain't helping if you're not removing that formed biomatter from the cycle

[night girder]

Do you know these? You can open the handle you see marked with red box.

[dire igloo]

for a tiny bit of ventilation

[night girder]

And they (company is Velux) claim that's enough airflow.

[dire igloo]

highly doubtful

[visual tree]

I had that window type a long type ago until we replaced the roof

[night girder]

I don't know 🤣 It's all from the vendor themselves.

[dire igloo]

KEKW

I sure as fuck hope your doors ain't that drafty

[night girder]

Oh, yeah. Haha 😄

[visual tree]

Short summary of nzeb building on a picture

[dire igloo]

dang, I wonder if those high performance windows can run Crysis

[night girder]

It can, it's Windows

[pure karma]

make sure you dont acidentally tab out of your windows

[night girder]

🤣

Laugh all you want. But they are better than W11.

Also, the images are clearly marketing. But you can still open the windows for real airflow. It's just nice to have a little bit going.

[visual tree]

My coworker recently got a new laptop with W11. I pray that she learns the new interface when copy/pasting files

I have windows 11 but I changed the settings and have the old copy/paste interface

The new one is a nightmare

[night girder]

I haven't got it yet.

[visual tree]

Since Microsoft is going to end support in late 2025, our company will be forced to switch to W11

I think most laptops support it without problems

[pure karma]

windows 11 is fine 😐

to be honest the only complaint i still have left is said drop down in the folders

[charred relic]

bah i want my DOS back!

[pure karma]

especially renaming being buried

[charred relic]

shakes his walker

[night girder]

new one on the right?

[pure karma]

well maybe idk but you either have to go trough properties or show more options then rename

[visual tree]

Yeah, that's exactly what I was referring to

You can change the settings in W11 and use the old style

[night girder]

copy as path is cool for developers etc.

but the icons, I don't like.

[visual tree]

We got outlook update in the company, everyone moved to a new style and switched back to the old style immediately when they realized the new interface is terrible lol

[glossy glacier]

just press F2 🙃

[glossy glacier]

not just the interface. lots of functions missing too

[night girder]

That's not good UX.

[visual tree]

The biggest issue I noticed is group mailboxes

I have like 15 group mailboxes in outlook lol

[night girder]

Oh, F2 is for renaming.

[visual tree]

Since I am a new admin for most of them

[night girder]

I though it would copy the path 😦

[glossy glacier]

shared calenders don't work, plugins don't work, etc

[visual tree]

Didn't last 1 hour in a new UI 🤣

Hope they don't make it mandatory because I am going to be pissed

[night girder]

How about using a different client?

[visual tree]

Company mandates outlook

[glossy glacier]

https://youtu.be/9C5kOsySn-8

[visual tree]

They also have a contract with Microsoft since they sell office 365 licence

[night girder]

Yeah, that's to be expected. But if enough people complain. And even the top doesn't like it. They might ditch it 🤣

[night girder]

💩

[visual tree]

Bet the company has a huge discount on MS office and that's why they are forcing it

[night girder]

corporate world is so rigid in reality.

[visual tree]

If there is one thing I learned working for an ISP which is also publicly-traded, they only care about cutting costs in virtually anything

[pure karma]

i think the office suite/Microsoft suite might have some of the worst most inefective ui out of anything still in use by the masses

[visual tree]

My coworker complained how the company once had excellent engineers but they costed money and decided to replace them with students or interns 💀

And now the management board is complaining that the work quality is in decline. Well, no s**t sherlock. You just replaced experienced engineers with cheap labor, what did you think would happen?

[wanton orchid]

easy ditch the quality control team
then it's cheap AND does not have quality issues

:clueless:

[tough owl]

which nand type is the best again?

[jagged snow]

Tlc is usually the best balance of capacity and encurance

[tough owl]

new pfp

didnt recognize you

what ive narrowed it down to

what controller is good?

[wanton orchid]

it lack rqd14k perf

[dire igloo]

what purpose?

[tough owl]

only ssd for my laptop

[dire igloo]

MAP1602, no question

most power efficient low heat controller out there, especially nice for laptop use

beware of variable config drives tho

also: good QLC > shitty TLC

[tough owl]

its not listed in the filter list

[dire igloo]

by what did you filter?

[tough owl]

nothing its jsut not listed

[dire igloo]

oooooooh gen3

[stray badger]

i like my crucial p5 plus

[dire igloo]

yeah, MAP1602 is gen4 controller

PCIe is downwards compatible

[tough owl]

yea I know

[dire igloo]

what do you need DRAM for? HMB literally exists

[wanton orchid]

less reliable

[dire igloo]

says who?

[tough owl]

I hate HMB, on linux its not configured well and I CBA to configure it properly

[dire igloo]

DRAM controllers run hotter than DRAMless tho

[wanton orchid]

it's a matter of fact
it is less reliable
it just can't be as reliable for too much reasons

[dire igloo]

source: trust me bro

anyways, how much less reliable is it? to the point that you're getting old af hothead hardware instead?

[wanton orchid]

I don't see any storage provider tuning ram to a point it may have errors
while for a laptop I could see

[dire igloo]

this is literally the first time I'm hearing about HMB being an issue for Linux or just OC use in general

[stray badger]

adata is the only one i would trust lol

[dire igloo]

VP4300L and US75 are variable config

[dire igloo]

Lexar?!?!

[stray badger]

oh wait yeah lexar

[dire igloo]

if anything, ADATA has pulled a lot of partswap shenanigans in the past

Lexar is the only one I've seen so far to give you a silent upgrade: there were instances of NQ790 having TLC NAND

[wanton orchid]

I'm not saying hmb is bad
I'm just saying it's less reliable
the first of all thing is it can't be tested in every situation by manufacturer which dram can be

[tough owl]

I don't wanna spend $91 on an ssd

[dire igloo]

FX900 Plus iirc uses rainier, suicidial controller

MP44 also E27T variant

[stray badger]

i mean depends on size. $91 for 2tb is pretty good

[dire igloo]

what country? and I believe you're looking for 1TB?

[stray badger]

$91 for 512gb is bad

seems about average price for 1tb

[dire igloo]

absolutely not, no

[tough owl]

USA
1tb(can be more if good deal)
single sided

[stray badger]

it was last time i was looking

[wanton orchid]

back in the day ssd was $1 per GB

[dire igloo]

good 1TB in the US is like $60

[stray badger]

did things change?

[tough owl]

is what my requirements are

[dire igloo]

Yes, they absolutely did
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/internal-hard-drive/#sort=price&A=800000000000,24000000000000&D=1

C910 a MP44L used to be great, but both got swapped

[tough owl]

wanna buy stock now before tariffs screw me to the moon and back

[dire igloo]

XG7000 idk

[wanton orchid]

Also dram can be used while bus is cut
hmb can't

[dire igloo]

G50 is IG5220, solid but hotter than MAP1602

[dire igloo]

and that matters why exactly?

[stray badger]

crucial shouldn't go up much since they are made in the usa

[tough owl]

oh yea it needs to run cool because its in a laptop with no active cooling

[stray badger]

wd stuff is too iirc

[tough owl]

I might buy a crucial drive then

[stray badger]

boise idaho

that and potatoes are the only good things to come from there tbh

[wanton orchid]

data consistency when host fail
competly or temporarily

[dire igloo]

$66
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fpwmP6

[tough owl]

who tf is Klevv

[dire igloo]

that will either fuck your wallet or fuck the people using the drive

[dire igloo]

Hynix

same company family

[wanton orchid]

why the second possibility ?

[stray badger]

crucial has been good to me

[dire igloo]

P3, P3+

[stray badger]

p3 was always meant to be low end tho

[dire igloo]

yup, but people hardly ever realize HOW low end it is

[tough owl]

do I buy the predator drive?
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GyZ9TW/acer-predator-gm7000-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-bl9bwwr105

[dire igloo]

and think that because it says Crucial on the box it's a good drive

[dire igloo]

GM7000 is Rainier, don't

[stray badger]

i guess, i feel that the issue is behind the keyboard for that tho

when i got my t500 it was a pretty good deal

[dire igloo]

the IG5236 controller codename Rainier is known to be suicidal and cause drive issues in an accelerated matter

[wanton orchid]

I mean if it is as low as it only makes sense when not used..

[dire igloo]

T500 is one of the highest end gen4 drives on the market tho

anyways, if someone says they're buying Crucial, that more than likely means an uneducated pick

[dire igloo]

also hothead

[stray badger]

it was 1tb for about 90 during the price issue things

[tough owl]

its currently $90

[dire igloo]

how the fuck does C925 redirect me to Amazon UK

[tough owl]

I would be fine with a WD ssd. HDD not really

[wanton orchid]

including mta18asf4g72az-3g2r ?

[dire igloo]

bless you

[dire igloo]

1. model over brand
2. you said that heat matters. get a MAP1602 drive for that. dramless tho

[tough owl]

heat does matter since its in a laptop

so the MAP1602 is gold standard for that?

[stray badger]

i remember WD did something really bad awhile ago tho

i forgor what it was exactly but it led to data loss

[dire igloo]

the most energy efficient NVMe controller on the market rn

[wanton orchid]

DDR4 2Rx8 ecc

2x16Gb

[stray badger]

mmm ymtc (acer predator drive)

[tough owl]

Lexar isnt good?

[stray badger]

good chance it will no longer be allowed to enter the country

[stray badger]

they are good

[tough owl]

NM710 or NM790

[dire igloo]

only ones with guaranteed MAP1602 that I've seen so far

maybe Addlink A93/S93 too

[tough owl]

well they all use ymtc nand

except the 710 that uses micron

and one teamgroup ssd that ues hynix

[dire igloo]

and C925

[dire igloo]

I don't see how that's an issue tho

[stray badger]

ymtc is on the sanctions list

[tough owl]

ive never heard of ymtc

[dire igloo]

you hadn't heard of Klevv either, doesn't make them bad

[stray badger]

the chinese version of tsmc, they are trying to get to very low node sizes

[dire igloo]

YMTC pioneered 232L NAND

[stray badger]

they aren't bad, they are just geopolitical rivals and that means that the gov doesn't like them very much

[dire igloo]

took the others almost 2 years to catch up

with Hynix 238L

[tough owl]

well if the stock is in the US already then i might as well buy the KLEVV

[stray badger]

true

[dire igloo]

anyways, one of the best gen4 configs especially for heat and sustained writes is MAP1602 + YMTC X3

[tough owl]

it looks like it comes with a metal heatsink too

[dire igloo]

with NM790 at $85 tho, I'd rather make the C925 for <$70 work

[dire igloo]

which doesn't matter tbh

[stray badger]

the main problem with unknown brands is warranty problems

[dire igloo]

especially in a laptop where it could cause physical incompatibility

[dire igloo]

neither Klevv nor Lexar is unknown

and even "known" brands can have shoddy warranty or wonky practices

[stray badger]

Lexar isnt, klevv is

[dire igloo]

addlink okay, I'll give you that

[tough owl]

the patriot ssd with the MAP1602 is only $61

[dire igloo]

VP4300L isn't MAP1602

it's E27T

[tough owl]

the spreadsheet lies

[dire igloo]

they're under the same umbrella company as Hynix
https://www.anandtech.com/show/8927/new-challenger-klevv-dram-modules-house-brand-of-sk-hynix

[tough owl]

https://www.techpowerup.com/ssd-specs/patriot-viper-vp4300-lite-4-tb.d1581

[dire igloo]

Essencore thus created KLEVV to cover the DRAM side of the equation, kind of making KLEVV a customer/vertical integration partner of SK Hynix, although the two are separate entities under the same umbrella, SK Group.

[dire igloo]

1TB and 2TB are E27T + Bics6
4TB is MAP1602 + QLC

[tough owl]

theres a 1tb MAP1602

[dire igloo]

as one option

with the more likely one being the E27T swap

[tough owl]

so I could win the lottery

but unlikely

[dire igloo]

yup or you could lose

if you wanna gamble tho, MP44L is the better pick

it's been Realtek'd recently but it's more reliable MAP than VP4300L

[tough owl]

can we make it illegal to part swap

[dire igloo]

anyways, if you want guaranteed MAP1602, get C925, NM710 or NM790

[tough owl]

https://www.techpowerup.com/ssd-specs/silicon-power-us75-1-tb.d2288 this one is $60 and only ships with MAP1602

[dire igloo]

it's a sidegrade for the most part, you lose out on sustained performance and power efficiency

[dire igloo]

4TB version is QLC, lemme see if I can find reports on the 1TB version

[tough owl]

if the 1tb is tlc ill buy it

[dire igloo]

1TB seems to be fine

hm, VP4300L only E27T on 2TB according to TPU, I could've sworn it was also 1TB

[tough owl]

im so happy tax where I live is like only 6.5% instead of 8.5 where I used to live

[charred relic]

I got tired of running out of space... so I got 4TB

[dire igloo]

hm, E27T rumored on 1TB too but confirmed for only 2TB
https://www.reddit.com/r/NewMaxx/comments/1ealoeu/beware_4tb_patriot_viper_vp4300_lite_wqlc/

[tough owl]

when I get my next paycheck ill be back asking yall on advice for an upcoming nas build I plan on doing

[dire igloo]

same, NM790 my beloved
third cheapest 4TB NVMe when I got it and only by like 2€

[charred relic]

This one was on sale at the time for $250

[tough owl]

I legit have no use for 4tb

on a server yes but when its over 2.5gig hdds will be plenty fast

yippee

[dire igloo]

I don't either, but I had use for adding over 1TB and since I didn't feel like holding back, I got 4TB instead of 2TB
plus, I had only one more m.2 slot unoccupied, so I wanted to make it count

[dire igloo]

can run the maxio SSD analyzer tool to see what it uses

[tough owl]

yup when I get it i will do that

currently I have an https://harddrivemart.com/samsung-mzvlb512hbjq-000l7-internal-ssd.html in my laptop

[dire igloo]

hm, so E27T is still a comparably efficient controller, just not MAP1602 level

[dire igloo]

so 970 Evo Plus in the OEM variant

[charred relic]

I got the Samsung 990 Evo Plus

[tough owl]

yea it came with my thinkpad x1 extreme g2

[dire igloo]

ah yes, the still mismarketed bigger brother of the famously mismarketed gen4 drive

[charred relic]

I also have a OCZ Vertex 3 90GB I can plug in for some extra storage if I need it...

[dire igloo]

just a NAND upgrade

[charred relic]

i don't much care what it's it.. it's big and it's fast

*in it

if i dug that deep into everything i'd never get anything done

[dire igloo]

tbf, any SSD is fast if your usecase is nonsensitive enough

[dire igloo]

the only question I have is this:
did you buy it because it was advertised as PCIe gen 5?

[charred relic]

No I got it because it was fast... and on sale

And big...

[dire igloo]

I sure love the 2s I save by going with highend Gen5 instead of lowend SATA

[dire igloo]

only found benchmarks for the 2TB NM790

it do be going nyooom tho

anyways, good night yall

[charred relic]

looks like the lexar holds the speed

but does the steady lines below that beat it overall in actually doing things

because it starts slower but remains the same and ends up faster well before the end of the test

[wanton orchid]

test is long

Orange line is writing 450GB

[stray badger]

sabrent q4 looks to be fast and consistent, im assuming the plus g is the same drive with cache

[twin dew]

Uses more writes to handle the page table.
And main RAM errors can corrupt the drive in theory.

Or stuff like that BSOD error stuff from Windows update on some HMB drives until firmware update.

HMB is about making cheaper drive, not better drive.

DRAMless drive on costs, that performs better than purely DRAMless one, but worse than one with DRAM.

And uses less FLASH writes than DRAMless, but more than one with DRAM.

[twin dew]

If that RAM error happens in the space allocated and used by HMB page table.

[wanton orchid]

OS could also overwrite it (in case of bugs)

[twin dew]

LAN level RCE in Marvel Rivals kernel mode anticheat:
https://shalzuth.com/Blog/IFoundAGameExploit

[mental oriole]

Wtf

[twin dew]

This is large part why kernel mode anticheats are so hated.
As the code quality is often pretty shitty and exposes the users to this kind of exploits.

[mental oriole]

The hotfix patch system uses RCE.

Someone needs to be fired asap...

[twin dew]

Allows for RCE, as it doesn't check where that patch is actually coming from.
Neither server or code signature.

[mental oriole]

You can trust my code

[wanton orchid]

literally a malware

but it got reviewed by a closed contract third party company for sure

[mental oriole]

Lgtm!

[dire igloo]

And more energy efficient (lower heat) drive.
Also, BSOD error was with WD's proprietary stuff as far as I am aware

[twin dew]

Only by the power usage of the DRAM chip itself.
And then needing more PCIe traffic, CPU IMC use and main RAM use.

So I would expect that the whole system power usage goes up significantly.

[dire igloo]

MAP1602 and E27T drives run cooler than E18

[twin dew]

That is about specific controller implementation, not about DRAM vs HMB.

[dire igloo]

At this tier of drive, it's both

E18 only has SM2264 (used in only two drives) and IG5236 (suicidal) as direct competition

E25 in a single drive, also hot

[twin dew]

You should have said that the current HMB controllers are more power efficient.
Over current DRAM-using controllers.

[dire igloo]

Plus proprietary stuff

[twin dew]

You said that HMB itself is the thing causing that difference.

[dire igloo]

Okay, yeah, fair point

HMB isn't inherently cooler, we just haven't had an exception to the rule yet

[twin dew]

And like I said, it might be on drive level, but on total system level that HMB needs lot extra power from other components.

Also often the cheap DRAM SSD controllers are the leftovers from older generation.
While the HMB ones are probably newer.
As each PCIe gen etc. will first be implemented in DRAM-using controller.
And only later on HMB one, so the HMB one will often be on newer node.

[soft bloom]

after last update of driver, noticed in couple of games how game just blacks out on alt-tab for a second or until next alt-tab

[soft bloom]

I just figured that astronomy before telescopes is one of the wildest examples of "scientific consensus" gone wrong
Literally, dozens of thousands of years of observations, of the same phenomena over and over, and yet, models that weren't allogned with dogma weren't even allowed.
Especially, retrograde of planets - it takes completely new model to understand how this can be described as an emergent behaviour from system of rules, and not as an oddity.

Keeping topics tech: WelchLabs made recent video where showed how in history of ML switch from boolean to float amplitudes granted incredible ability to learn

[verbal raft]

here thats more like 31-34C in the summer

[opaque grove]

here in winter it can be below zero and in summer up to 40

[dire igloo]

I remember we had double digit negatives and over 40C (shade temp without any shade)

[opaque grove]

the temperature here can change 20 to 30 degrees in one day without any problem several times a day

[dire igloo]

I doubt that it is actually a lot.
IMC is communicating with RAM anyway, HMB takes up like 64MB at most of already efficient SO-DIMM and DRAM or not, the drive is still doing stuff

and even if all you said was true: the power consumption would occur over multiple components distributed across the entire device.
the total heat output is bigger, but the localized heat output is less

[verbal raft]

i've made a few image quality comparisons if anyone is interested
https://imgsli.com/MzQ1MzA3 (while running)
https://imgsli.com/MzQ1MzAx (strafing left to right)
https://imgsli.com/MzQ1MzAw (standing still)
https://imgsli.com/MzQ1Mjk2 (standing still)
https://imgsli.com/MzQ1Mjg4 (strafing)
https://imgsli.com/MzQ1Mjg0 (standing still)

[night girder]

How is Stalker 2 atm? Improved?

[verbal raft]

i havent played it in a while

(and i dont generally feel the itch to play games)

[night girder]

nvm.

[verbal raft]

all i know is that patch 1.1 was pretty good

[night girder]

You sure?

Because it's recent that is mixed. Average is Positive. Seems people are pissed for something.

[verbal raft]

(other than having to delete the shader cache and disable the shader compile screen)

[night girder]

Just not sure how worth it is to benchmark a game being acused of being broken.

[verbal raft]

they have had patches since

1.1

which is the last time i played

[night girder]

Recently posted 4 februari.

[verbal raft]

true

but these were the only image comparisons i wanted to make

as i dont have many other games to test

[night girder]

Also, one screenshot is an imposter.

[verbal raft]

that actualy have upscaling and arent also broken

[verbal raft]

which ?

[night girder]

mhhh. which one 🤣

[verbal raft]

oh

right.

[night girder]

Gun... gun ... gun... no gun and factories 😉

[verbal raft]

two actually

the last 2 links are from satisfactory

[night girder]

image slider is cool.

[verbal raft]

it sadly doesnt allow videos

😕

[verbal raft]

that would be required to spot shimmering

but

the SF ones have no shimmer

[verbal raft]

#TrustMeBro

[pure karma]

oh lord the new discord ui is bad

[night girder]

enshitification?

[pure karma]

id say so

same layout just much worst

[mental oriole]

Why does everything look so cramped?

[pure karma]

idk but i hate it

[verbal raft]

i dont have it

😀

yet

😖

[pure karma]

🫡

[sharp oasis]

Discord finding ways to make their UI worse every time...

[winged valley]

Why do they even do it

Which furry on their dev team thinks these changes are good

[night girder]

I don't have the change (yet).

But discord has been going down the hill for years with their UI updates.

[opaque grove]

more likle a crack head den a furry

[night girder]

These can all be cleaned up. Just put an emoticon icon for emoticons and gifs. All the rest is crap. Get rid of stickers. Their Nitro. Just delete it all

This can be gone too.

Discord is actually so bloated atm.

I remember when the settings had 10 sections or something.

Now it's 30!

Used more resources than steam.

[opaque grove]

it's Probably ming bitcon or something because how else do they get their money

[opaque grove]

because a stoned crakhed who drank 2 bottles of apsint can't write such unoptimized code

[verbal raft]

wow FSR looks very pixelated here

i never saw that while playing though

also lots of ailiasing

they all look like gabage here TBH

(especially when zoomed in)

BRUH

[verbal raft]

i sent the exact same sites links previously and i didnt get this message

🤬

[twin dew]

Because bot was broken earlier.

[verbal raft]

i guess
BOT : BE BROKEN AGAIN!!

if you want to take a look yourself (remove the . from https)
h.ttps://imgsli.com/MzQ1OTEw/0/3

[tribal lagoon]

Oh god

my PC is bursting into flames

after a recent upgrade I got a better GPU and now my CPU is bursting into flames

I had to open the window and let freezing air in so that it can cool down

it reached 84 degrees 😭

[mental oriole]

Blame windows

[tribal lagoon]

my factory isn't even running

Satisfactory the first true seasonal Game. I can't play it when it's above freezing outside

[opaque grove]

just pour some liquid nitrogen on the ground

[verbal raft]

[visual tree]

Even 1 bottle of absynthe is enough to kill a human

I tried a shot of absynthe without mixing it with water, felt like drinking sulfuric acid

[tribal lagoon]

nah I'm just going to put may gaming Setup in a dedicated freezer

now that I think of it

[opaque grove]

I wouldn't be surprised if someone drank several bottles a day because alcoholics are alcoholics

[tribal lagoon]

couldn't you do a PC buld in a mini fridge

that'd be sick

[opaque grove]

sulfuric acidis delicious no

[visual tree]

Had to use an extreme metaphor to describe the pain lol

[opaque grove]

it can't be worse than the water from the lake

[night girder]

I heard there was this guy who made very good paintings. He drank a lot of absinthe I believe.

[opaque grove]

the after taste after you drank the water should not be so long I felt it in my mouth for at least a minute

[visual tree]

I think Tool band used drugs when making music videos because they are so bizarre and unexplainable

Not even my wildest dreams can be compared to Tool music videos

[pure karma]

time for a fan curve re-adjustment

[opaque grove]

I don't even need to open a window for that

[night girder]

It's one of the band members btw who does the clay animation.

Tool is a really creative band.

[wanton orchid]

my point is single ship tuned dram is Much more efficient than system ram
which is inherently tuned for performance and is only accessible through multiple hops
both literally and internally

in ssd ram is tuned for power and reliability
it does not need to be that fast

[dire igloo]

not sure on that, will have to take your word for it

still, DRAM vs system RAM leaves out the controller itself

[wanton orchid]

keep in mind system ram hits above 50GB/s effective access speed, not even talking about ddr5

going on the pcie bus is not inherently more efficient

pcie is known to burn a lot of power actually

a simpler and slower controller will always be colder

[dire igloo]

remember: heat is the concern, battery life is secondary

[wanton orchid]

my point is the ssd dram is not what generate heat

[dire igloo]

wasn't my point either

it's the controllers that use DRAM that run hot

not the DRAM chip itself

[wanton orchid]

it's the controller that performs complex operation fast that runs hot

I would like to see some performance like for like temperatures comparisons

[dire igloo]

welp, NM790 uses MAP1602, a super efficient dramless controller - while T700 is a much hotter E26
#off-topic-tech message

[wanton orchid]

if your laptop use the ssd half the time it will have less time to ramp up

[dire igloo]

in a laptop, half the time the SSD's performance is completely negligible anyway

[dire igloo]

for example: game load times

Windows load times look similar

[wanton orchid]

my point is no controller will run hot if it's unused

[dire igloo]

yup, that's true

it's when you do use it that it matters

[wanton orchid]

but faster will mean less time used

[dire igloo]

KC3000 is Phison E18, almost twice the power consumption of MAP1602-based NM790

[wanton orchid]

for what operations

[dire igloo]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/lexar-nm790-2-tb/7.html

[wanton orchid]

that's my point
it should show power operations normalized

[dire igloo]

I just took a shortcut to the results

[dire igloo]

results are on the page, KC3000 is consistently above NM790, only in idle to they sit on a comparable level

the S70 Blade in the testing should be IG5236, the other mainstream highend controller that uses DRAM

[wanton orchid]

I do see the chart
the most relevant one is game loading

it does show it is more efficient
but it's closer

I hate single point charts like this

[dire igloo]

still 75% higher power draw on the E18

[wanton orchid]

when it actual should be a weighted geomean of difference of the curves

(3d result ranking)

[dire igloo]

anyways, overall, NM790 ain't worse than KC3000 but it comes at a much lower power draw

[visual tree]

Why is there a VR version of Microsoft Excel in Meta store? 😂 😂

That is like the most inefficient way to use excel in general

[night girder]

Microsoft Excel is 2D.

Microsoft Excel VR is 3D tables.

[visual tree]

Good luck selecting the right cell or typing in anything on a virtual keyboard

No wonder rating is 2.3 lol

And putting it in "productivity" category is kinda ironic considering it's VR version

Reminds me of this video https://youtu.be/RJ4KxaWraJc?si=ohGTVgTpCyraKDHl

[willow pike]

huh. i thought it would be strix halo

though it did occur to me the unified RAM would make it real appealing to AI users

[pure karma]

a console??? for steam...

yup the downfall has arived

[night girder]

AMD 🙂

[stray badger]

we already got the steam machine and steam deck

why would you think this would be any different?

[pure karma]

its just yet another bad deal console with nothing unique to offer with the xbox button layout if you want it raw

[soft jasper]

but it wouldn't have the console like experiance of overpriced games because it would be linux

[charred relic]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-dance-happy-gif-23524395

[pure karma]

another day, another reminder from my quest 2 that i bought a quest 2

this is truly rock bottom

[charred relic]

https://tenor.com/view/womp-womp-duck-gif-3719273168868208404

colors, brightness and contrast went all out of whack last night... seems windows decided to update one displays color profile to something that clearly wasn't correct

windows also offered to update my amd display drivers... big fat noap

[jagged snow]

Y'all will appreciate the fact that my small apartment kept at 15c used literal MWh of power this month

1600 kWh

[languid gulch]

You vs the guy she says don't worry about

Doing my semi-handoff to the new system

New desk showed up a day early, so I've been working my ass off

5600X/6800XT to a 9800X3D/4090

[charred relic]

nice

[languid gulch]

New mobo and tower have a total of 18 usb ports, so that'll help a lot

Rat's nest wasn't bad, just a LOT

[charred relic]

why 18 usb ports? that's insane lol

[languid gulch]

5 on the case and 13 on the mobo

[charred relic]

wondering who needs that many

It exists so somebody was asking for it lol

[languid gulch]

Oh I won't fill them all in, but I do have vr stuff to slot in

[charred relic]

Mine has 1x type-c, 1x type-a (both 3.2 gen 2) and 1x USB 3.2 Gen 1

and 3 old 2.0/2.1 ports

[languid gulch]

My old mobo had 4, so I grabbed a 7x usb aic, so I could bump it up to 25 ports if I want to

[charred relic]

then on the case 1x usb c and 2x usb type a

the board supports 4 usb 2's but those are occupied with fan stuff and i don't need more legacy ports anyhow

[languid gulch]

I'm thinking of naming this one Glorious Overkill

[charred relic]

oh my bad it's 3x usb 3.2 gen 1 usb-a's

[languid gulch]

My old tower is named Frankenputer because of how it came together over the years

[charred relic]

i have a couple key board, mouse, controller and an audio interface

oh and my katana amp is usually plugged in too

[languid gulch]

I have 3 vr sensors, then a hdmi and usb for the headset

[charred relic]

those are all "permanent"

but audio interface 2.x is as good as 3.x... same for keys and mice

i have a gear vr... that'll get plugged in too i guess

[languid gulch]

2 external drives, kb, mouse, headset, Xbox controller

Plain old flash drive

[charred relic]

i have a external m2 drive but i don't use it on this machine much

mostly laptop

[languid gulch]

Oh and a usb-b to my monitor

Cuz it has 4 usb slots

[charred relic]

speaking of audio interface i gotta install the katana shit

[languid gulch]

Yeesh

[charred relic]

since new install of winblows

[languid gulch]

Yea jumping to 11 is prolly gonna suck

[charred relic]

lol yes than a year later the page says discontinued product

[languid gulch]

And I have 4 drives to transplant

[charred relic]

the mk3 came out like 6 months after i got it

[languid gulch]

I'll definitely be letting y'all know how this goes

[stray badger]

i would still call the old one nice lol

[verbal raft]

This is ridiculous

they also couldn't type 3600 correctly

[twin dew]

So less than full-HD rendering at 30 FPS or so...

[languid gulch]

Oh it's still plenty nice 🤣 but man when top end drops in on you, you don't say no

Currently mid-yeet on just throwing my old drives into the new one

[charred relic]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-star-wars-emperor-palpatine-palpatine-gif-799657800635657398

I put all but one in and it was like... why bother

[languid gulch]

Oh it's turned into a thing

[charred relic]

I should throw it in just to see that 90GB whopper in file explorer lol

There are three easy to get to mounts, only two are used

[languid gulch]

Had to drop the psu to access the sata power, and now I have to drop the gpu to access the mobo sata

[charred relic]

lol

already have sata power avail... just need to run the data cable

too much work for 90Gb lol

[languid gulch]

Yea this gets me up to 34tb transferred over to the new system

[charred relic]

i kinda want some of those lian li infinity mirror fans now...

for the rad

and rear

[languid gulch]

I only go for pretty once I have top end

Which means I never went for pretty

[charred relic]

i probably won't get the fans because it's basically 100 bucks for 3 of them lo

the other 3 were like 80 and i could justify them since i needed some intakes

[languid gulch]

Yea I did noctua on the intake for my old system

[charred relic]

the one good fan i had in the old system was on the cpu heatsink, one of those grey noctuas

i gotta say tho the lian li's seem nice too, quiet

i threw the noctua in this one as a rear exhaust

def held up way better than the 30 dollar 3 pack lol

i think it was more but you get the point, the inexpensive fans did not hold up... they work but aren't in as good of shape

[languid gulch]

Oh I've got a $12 3 pack waiting, kinda want to see how they do

[charred relic]

the noctua is... still like new heh

yeah it kinda depends i've gotten those cheapy packs before

[languid gulch]

Yea same with mine, going on 5 years

[charred relic]

sometimes they're decent, never gotten anything great

sometimes they are... well garbage lol

i had one 3 pack where 2 failed inside of 6 months

[languid gulch]

Ouchie

Pay for it now or later I guess

[charred relic]

but that's why for my cpu coolers i go with a good fan... go ahead and spend the 20-30 for one fan heh

[languid gulch]

At least it's the cheapest fix for a pc

[charred relic]

yeah in a pinch you can switch them out dirt cheap

my old fans will... become a fume extractor for soldering

as much as i love the smell of soldering i do not like inhaling vaporized metals like lead

[languid gulch]

K, gpu yanked out and cables installed

Too bad it took 20 minutes of fighting with the goddamn screws

[sand saddle]

Thermalright? Could try any of their S-FDB V2 fans. Cost a bit more but more reliable.
An example of a cpu cooler that has V2 fans is the phantom spirit evo with the K12 fans.

[languid gulch]

Hey, all drives recognized, new system officially alive

[sand saddle]

Nice

[charred relic]

https://tenor.com/view/frankenstein-its-alive-happy-excited-gif-5625959

[languid gulch]

Crap, now I gotta get all my software installed and active

[charred relic]

lol

it's the games that are fun... given the size of some of them

i've spent the last days getting things i overlooked or forgot

[languid gulch]

True, but I've been using discord on my phone all day

[sand saddle]

I got lucky af, get to be helpdesk in the military during winter while others are getting their training in the woods.

[sand saddle]

The variation of game load times between different nvme SSDs is really small. Even when comparing the low end gen3 stuff with gen5 drives.

[charred relic]

the big jump was from mechanical to solid state, removed a huge bottleneck

that little 90gb drive was purchased as a system drive even at it's inflated cost

[languid gulch]

Gave up for the night. Turns out the win11 on it is both pro and unactivated, no way to just downgrade to home without a full reinstall

And the activation key I have is old so which means I suspect that I'll probably have to install 10 first, then activate it, then install 11

[charred relic]

I bought a new key since old one invalid on this board

[charred relic]

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tuss-jokes-gotcha-burn-ouch-gif-5645546

[languid gulch]

Oh joy, more fun

Dropped down to win10 amd now it won't recognize any network drivers

Like even a hard line

[warm jay]

If you have WiFi 7 or recent onboard nic win10 will not support them

[languid gulch]

Ah shit

Yea that'd do it

[warm jay]

I have to use a usb WiFi adapter on a x870e board

[twin dew]

Are you on Internet on that computer?
Should be in LAN too in that case.

[languid gulch]

Yea wired in, nothing

[twin dew]

Should be installable drivers available?

Moment...

What motherboard?

[warm jay]

No drivers available, only on windows 11

[wanton orchid]

thanks to point exactly why what I said is completely consistent

[languid gulch]

Just means I have to install 11. At least the win10 activation took my key

[twin dew]

Intel BE cards have Win10 drivers.
And all wired LAN chips, even newest ones, should have Win10 drivers.

[languid gulch]

Didn't know wifi 7 was a win11 only thing

[warm jay]

The issue is WiFi

[twin dew]

At Wifi7 speed it is.
But should still allow use at Wifi6.

[languid gulch]

Yea but I'm also hardlined and still no internet

[severe obsidian]

(windows can be free to activate :3)

[warm jay]

Idk if Ethernet work I don’t have any kind of cabled internet of optic fiber

[twin dew]

Need to manually install LAN driver.

[warm jay]

I tried Linux mint and WiFi worked out of the box

[twin dew]

To download on another computer, move to new, install.

[languid gulch]

Same key since windows 8, didn't pay a dime

[twin dew]

Asus lists the drivers only on Win11 side, but those do work in Win10 too.

[severe obsidian]

very nice, resourceful

[languid gulch]

Yea just gonna grab a win11 upgrade usb to install it. The main issue is that I couldn't just downgrade from pro to home with the key, needed to do a fresh install

[severe obsidian]

What specific motherboard is it?

There are x870 motherboards that don't come with integrated wifi, but it's rare to see

[twin dew]

Seems that MediaTek Wifi7 chips don't have Win10 compatible drivers, which is what is sold on AMD AM5 boards as AMD branded.

Intel has those Win10 drivers that make the WiFi7 cards work as Wifi6 cards under Win10.

So MediaTeks choice to not support.

[languid gulch]

Convenient

[warm jay]

On the Asrock X870e taichi you don’t have the drivers for windows 10. I tried the windows 11 version and nothing work. Maybe I should see directly on the realteck website

[languid gulch]

At least I have other options to grab the upgrade and get back to normal

[warm jay]

I tried Linux mint in live environments and it work perfectly fine

It’s a windows 10 thing

[severe obsidian]

This one?

[warm jay]

Yup

[twin dew]

You mean for Wifi?
Or wired LAN?

[warm jay]

Wifi, i dont have lan

[twin dew]

Like I said, the MediaTek Wifi7 chips don't have Win10 drivers, as MediaTeks choice.

And those are what comes in most AM5 boards if they have onboard Wifi, as that is who AMD partnered with.

[warm jay]

That’s why I will switch to Linux

[severe obsidian]

Am I blind or is that not wifi drivers right there for windows 10?

[severe obsidian]

Just use windows 11, you have the hardware for it clearly

[twin dew]

Wired LAN driver

But this one isn't on Win10 side, as Mediatek hasn't made Win10 driver:

[wanton orchid]

@severe obsidian unless no wifi driver listed

[severe obsidian]

Oh

That's fucking stupid

[warm jay]

Yup

[twin dew]

And you can install that Win11 driver successfully in Win10, but it will error out and not actually work.

[severe obsidian]

Such an expensive motherboard and it doesn't fuken work properly on windows 10? Stupid

[twin dew]

When Windows tries to use it.

[warm jay]

Yeah I was amazed too

[severe obsidian]

just, use windows 11

[twin dew]

As Win11 has extra stuff for Wifi7 that Win10 doesn't.

[wanton orchid]

@severe obsidian I still see not way you can't recover your pc unless you did some mistake physically

[twin dew]

And Mediatek hasn't coded the fallback to Win10 compatible set in.

[warm jay]

Nah il stick with mint, I already have a Linux machine so I know it works

[twin dew]

Same with Bluetooth, you need Win11 to get BT5, Win10 maxes at BT4.

[severe obsidian]

Well, I doubt it

For your information, it's a Shuttle XPC Sh67r5

[wanton orchid]

what's the old and new ram ?

[severe obsidian]

500w weirdly shaped flexATX PSU, proprietary motherboard size,

Old ram was 3 sticks of 2gb each Kingston low profile ram

New ram was a 2x8gb Samsung kit

Both 1333mhz

[wanton orchid]

why would the old one not work anymore ?

did you put it back in the right slots ?

of the 4 slots only specific ones are to be used depending on configuration probably

[wanton orchid]

the Samsung ones are 1600

[night girder]

Windows key upgrading has been tweaked Cuyar.

[severe obsidian]

you'd think id know that, but i dont

[severe obsidian]

theres 3 sticks of 2gb, not exactly a normal configuration

[twin dew]

He got computer with preinstalled, non-activated Win Pro.
And only had Win Home key.
Downgrade isn't allowed.

[night girder]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/09/microsoft-says-you-cant-activate-windows-10-11-with-old-windows-7-8-keys-anymore/

I was talking about that. 😄

What's going on with Microsoft today?

Flyby11 marked as a risk.

They removed information on how to bypass TMP 2.0.

Microsoft blocks free Windows 11 24H2 system requirements bypass app as potential malware

[wanton orchid]

but you know what slot you got it from

So make sure you reuse the same slots
if it's
- x x x
or
x x - x
then use
- x - x
if it's
x x x -
or
x - x x
then use
x - x -

[mental oriole]

Promoting users to use linux

[night girder]

every single day

[mental oriole]

Fair.

[severe obsidian]

i did all of that

[night girder]

Don't get me wrong, I mean. Microsoft is promoting users to linux everyday 😊

[wanton orchid]

wdym "all of that" ?
there a single ok configuration

[severe obsidian]

there are no configurations that work

[wanton orchid]

do you remember what was the original one

[severe obsidian]

yes i do

[twin dew]

Does it work with just any single old DIMM?

[severe obsidian]

and that still didnt work

[severe obsidian]

no

[wanton orchid]

sounds like you are not locking it properly or something

[severe obsidian]

omfg

ive been making computers for 4 years

i think i Know how to plug in ram

it doesnt matter, i talked to my uncle and he can look at getting a different verified kit of ram, or otherwise can possibly replace it next week

[wanton orchid]

ngl you sounds like a troll again
you claim making computers for years
then talk about asking your uncle
be aware some people in this channel literally built computers for a living for maybe more than a decade

[severe obsidian]

???

Dude, the 2nd pc was a pc I got from my uncle years ago

[twin dew]

Well, dead CPU or MB from handling damage when trying to switch the RAM is always possible too.

[severe obsidian]

Im just reusing it for the dedicated server

[severe obsidian]

True, can't believe I could be so careless

Even though I was careful

[twin dew]

But it is either that, or RAM sticks not inserted correctly.
And the second is very easy to miss.

[severe obsidian]

In 1000% sure the ram sticks were inserted correctly

[twin dew]

Worst time to do any electronics repair on northern hemisphere currently, so low air humidity.'

[severe obsidian]

It's ddr3 ram, it's even easier to tell which way goes which because of the incredibly off-center notch

[twin dew]

Not that, but if it is fully inserted, or 1mm too high and not locked.

When that needed fully inserted force can seem excessive.

[severe obsidian]

I heard audible clicks every single time I switched ram, so that's not it.

it's not a me problem, it's a pc problem

[wanton orchid]

does it have both side locks ?

[twin dew]

That old, yes.

[night girder]

Anyone dare to guess what this is? 🤣

[charred relic]

flux capacitor

[twin dew]

Seems to be from Whirlpool refrigerator.
Temperature control board.

[charred relic]

i can see you need to re-fuckulate the carbonator

[twin dew]

No, not exactly that one.

Ok, for different model than the one I first found, but same purpose.

[charred relic]

So I started playing Kingdom Come Deliverance 2. Never played the first. So far... well you know how games have cutscenes

this is like a cutscene with a game?

[twin dew]

Also contains the power supply from AC to regulated low voltage DC for that functionality.

That U205 is probably the actual chip with the logic?

Or might be just that power supply board, and the actual logic is on another?
Even when they stuck that SW version into that label too.

[tribal kraken]

With simracing gear does not take much 😄

[night girder]

close

it's the system for the closed door, for the lights to go on etc 😄

[twin dew]

There is separate PCB for temperature measurements and compressor control then?

[severe obsidian]

Yes

[night girder]

This is other side.

When you close the door, the part near on/off button is pushed in en lights go off

Thats what broke my fridge for weeks.

[twin dew]

And that seems to have at least the temperature setting in it.
And was named as Temperature control board in spare parts sites.

Yes, it also controls the light.

[pure karma]

Thats fairly average actually

I have 17 and i think 16 on my 2 computers

2 usb c each and the rest usb a

[severe obsidian]

I don't think that's average

do the cases have like an unusual amount of USB ports in the front?

Like, more than 3-4?

[pure karma]

Most motherboards have 10 + 2 extra generally dedicated for keyboard and mouse plus the ones on your case

[severe obsidian]

huh??

Mine has like 6 USB ports

one of them usb-c

[night girder]

Also funny. It's not a whirpool fridge 😄

[twin dew]

Some other brand owned by Whirlpool then.
All the major manufacturers own several older brands now.

[night girder]

That's what I am looking up atm.

Either they have deal with whirpool for that particular piece of hardware.

Or it's like you said.

[twin dew]

What brand is it officially?

[night girder]

Atag. Parent organization: Hisense. (Which is Chinese, I didn't know)

[twin dew]

Hisense-Whirlpool (Zhejiang) Electric Appliances Co Ltd is a joint venture between Hisense Kelon and Whirlpool formed in 2008 for the development and production of washing machines and refrigerators

[night girder]

I am a bit confused. How Atag, which seems to be a Dutch company. Has a chinese company as parent.

But has American parts in it.

I didn't expect it, but makes sense.

[twin dew]

Remember that in China, Chinese nationals must own controlling share of any company.
So for western company to have Chinese subcompany, it is actually minority partner in it.

Including for factories etc.

Also remember that no-matter what reads on the machine, it is almost certainly wholly produced in China.

[night girder]

Well, that's the question.

Either Whirpool fucked up. Or Hensine.

Because the fridge was 2 years and 4 months. (4 months out of warrant)

and the piece that broke down, is what I posted (whirpool).

[twin dew]

With that installation location for complex PCB without any kind of waterproof coating, seems like intentional design for planned obsolescence.

[night girder]

Normally, a fridge shouldn't break down after 2 years.

[night girder]

I was thinking the same. I even said it to a friend yesterday. "You would almost think they planned this."

We will see now, they put in another PCB. If it breaks in 2 years we know the answer 🤣

I just noticed the sticker on PCB. Let me see if I can get picture.

[twin dew]

It's readable in the original.

Or was that the new one?

The one in previous pic was manufactured on 2022-02-23 or 2023-02-22.

[night girder]

The sticker says Jabil China 🤔

[twin dew]

Production location.

As expected.

[night girder]

So, PCB is made in China and they slapped Whirpool logo on it?

Or the QA was done in China and final production and they slapped sticker on it? (but PCB made in USA).

[twin dew]

That is part of the PCB design.

Just means Whirlpool was part of the PCB design.
Nothing else.

[night girder]

A bit misleading no?

[twin dew]

Or that it was designer for Whirlpool.

Just standard stuff.

And like I said, all the Whirlpool fridges will be manufactured in exact same factory as those HiSense and subbrand ones.

Just that that Odin Enhanced stuff was left out.

[night girder]

So, American company, manufacturing fridges in China?

[twin dew]

Yes?
Almost nothing is manufactured in US.

Some final assembly done for high-end products.

[night girder]

I don't know about that. But I get your sentiment.

[twin dew]

But even for those the parts will be made in china, and usually to pretty high level.

[twin dew]

Almost no consumer goods that aren't perishable are made in western countries.

And for almost all consumer electronics, no matter the brands owners country of origin, will be manufactured in China.

[verbal raft]

so im was having this issue with MHW

[night girder]

Can you clarify perishable?

[verbal raft]

and i had to turn RT on to fix it

why?

[night girder]

I am not sure what you mean by that.

[severe obsidian]

things or food items that can expire

[night girder]

Oh, expire date?

Sorry in my head: "everything expires?" cars, cpu's, ....

[twin dew]

That lot of food is "local", but almost nothing else is that normal consumers can buy.

[severe obsidian]

canned food doesnt

[twin dew]

Seems Whirlpool does at least do that final assembly for their own brand NA sold stuff in USA.
But almost certainly from Chinese made assemblies.