off-topic-tech

[night girder]

https://github.com/benbusby/whoogle-search

Whoogle requests the JavaScript-free search results, then filters out garbage from the results page and proxies all external content for the user.

Damn, that's quick. Probably already made the library before rule went into effect. But it's been only two days.

[twin dew]

And you can trivially get wired or wireless remote control dongle as extra between any connection.

[night girder]

Oh no, nevermind. Whoogle got wrecked.

This is possibly a breaking change that will mean the end for Whoogle. I'll continue monitoring the status of their JS-free results and looking into workarounds, and will make another post if a solution is found (or not).

[twin dew]

In last 10+ years.

[languid gulch]

yea true

[twin dew]

Basically left-over from time without always on electronics and no other good way to do the same, except on cord switches.

[jagged snow]

Its one thing about how the us does electrical that I will argue in favor of

[twin dew]

Would of course be simple enough to just bypass, if also had US level of electrical building/modifying rules.

[jagged snow]

I would be incredibly frustrated to live somewhere where that wasn't the case

[twin dew]

Also makes it much safer in multiple ways, including when buying used house.

[jagged snow]

I understand the arguments against that sort of modification on commercial properties and places being rented
But that's really the big issue of politics anyways
How much does the gov protect people from themselves and where does that blend with protecting them from each other

[twin dew]

Most DIY people don't have the skills to make long term safe (will not go up in flames at some point) electrical wiring and connections.

[jagged snow]

Well to be fair us electrical code doesn't require it 💀

[twin dew]

And even in here, in the end you can do stuff.
Just that if it does cause issue, insurance etc. will not pay.

[jagged snow]

Interesting

[soft bloom]

is it hard or simply not widely known?

[twin dew]

What is compatible, how to prevent chafing, how to handle the cables when installing (turn radiuses while handling and in final installation etc.), how to make the connections for long term etc.
Lot of small details that just aren't talked about as it is so "easy".

[pure karma]

Not tought for shit

Iv made 3 electrical circuits in my life

One of wich the batteries exploded like a pipe bomb

[soft bloom]

sounds fun

more fun in Ethiopia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dHKms8NYr0

[iron aspen]

my new pc can actualy do satisfactory

[verbal raft]

what do you have now?

[iron aspen]

5600x and rx6500xt

also 16 gig 3200mghz ram

currently at 3000

it actualy rns fast at high

runs

[visual tree]

Helping my sister move to a new apartment. I have when people put so much cables inside a cabinet, should have made a bigger one imo or installed a server rack....

Not to mention the dust at the bottom

At least the cabinet under the TV is better (was too tired to do some cable management)

And a trusty cable tester which made me realise electrician used some sketchy pre-terminated cat5e cable with bad termination

[soft bloom]

https://youtu.be/7bHOQLlSTdo?si=ArTg0HkU8yLXyzmX
this is a well done demonstration of super-critical state

at university, molecular physics course had demonstration with just water (pretty sure of it), with fancy projection onto the desk
and here you can also see condensation-driver 'water'fall

[pure karma]

its space efficient

[visual tree]

It might be space efficient but it's a nightmare if you want to do cable management

[pure karma]

well clearly thats not the goal there

[visual tree]

What's ironic is that the previous apartment owner runs an IT company but even he didn't want to touch anything and fix the cable with bad termination

I think he spent more time in the office that the apartment

[soft bloom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9eDQbG6OaQ
I wonder how our club of scientific methodists will roast this guy

[soft bloom]

this damn markdown highlight gave me false hope.
it's like halucinations, but it not
halucinationsNT

sort of like if you asked "what's best GPU under $200?" (p.s.: remember good old times? pre crypto...)
and someone said "there's no budget GPU under $200 (like NVIDIA RTX 5001 with over 9000 rasterization cores)"

wait it is a halucination...

there IS an at mode

[twin dew]

Yes, it is hallucination.
You cannot really edit compressed file as compressed, unless it is some kind of chunk-based algorithm.
Need to uncompress, edit, recompress.

[night girder]

works here for python with 'at'🤷‍♂️

input_file:

output_file (the one inside the zip):

[twin dew]

Where that gzip.open is handling the decompression and recompression (in memory)
And at is just touching the uncompressed file.

[verbal raft]

nice!

[night girder]

Ok, what is summer looking for then?

[twin dew]

But close enough that it doesn't matter except RAM and CPU usage.

[iron aspen]

it can run satisfactory at high

(efficiently)

[night girder]

So, 'at' just stands for append text?

so once you do gzip.open() its get an wrapper around it for compression and decompression.

So yeah, that answer is very confusing. Wonder why it got confused for you. When I asked DDG, I got the answer correctly.

[twin dew]

Because Kewk didn't ask for code, but more generic explanation.

[night girder]

I didn't ask for code either 🙂

But I know kekw asked other questions before the one posted in screenshot.

[twin dew]

That is complete nogo in same session.
As LLMs get fed the whole previous conversation for each reply.

[night girder]

What do you mean?

[twin dew]

So changing what you want in one session will just lead to trouble.

[twin dew]

No memory, so the whole conversation (all previous prompts and replies) gets fed for next reply.

To act as that memory.

[night girder]

Ok. But what I am wondering is, what did you ask before that question @soft bloom 😄

"can ***it *** work in append mode" ... what is it? The LLM clearly has more contex than we do 😄

just curious how AI got so confused

[night girder]

Also you saying the same thing as the AI, in the sense that it gave the exact 3 steps.

1. open.
2. append.
3. write.

[twin dew]

Yeah, I just didn't know there was library to handle gzip that would abstract the nitty gritty away that completely.

[night girder]

[night girder]

There is a library for everything! (almost)

I was just curious this time if it would spit out usable code, or just some crap that wouldn't work.

[soft bloom]

No i meant that gzip has text append at mode

[soft bloom]

that's fine by me

but will see how it behaves on larger files

[night girder]

make sure amount of columns etc match.

[soft bloom]

I cropped out the code it suggested in same answer, which suggested that at doesn't exist lmao

[soft bloom]

the order is crucial to not fuck up

[night girder]

yeah, documented.

[soft bloom]

that's why i began with .jsonlines.

and they grew to gigabytes or repeating field names 🙂

it kinda gives me creeps that I can still use them just with compression

[soft bloom]

funny that I didn't read thru at first, just saw at and gone writing code.
than i get unrelated error, make wrong assumption, and go to re-read asnwear - read the code, see no at... and get sad
only to later check the documentation of gzip and find that at exists

[night girder]

yeah, it works. Atleast for me with a small test.

[soft bloom]

I wrote like 500 lines of code just to replace .jsonlines exporting with multiple compressed .csv
most of it is just repeating code with tiny nuances for each entity

[soft bloom]

maybe in the following days I will be able to answer how it behaves with gigabytes

what really worries me though, is that now write happens in batches, and if footer is missing... whole file might be lost

So additional sharding might be needed

[wanton orchid]

I mean you can consider partial decompression/compression to be compressed edit
and some format supports that
but I'm not sure that's what this gzip module is doing

[soft bloom]

hmm, what file size is large enough to test that "oh yeah, it does consume lots of RAM to append even a bit" ?

[pure karma]

idk whatever the biggest you have is probably lol

[soft bloom]

fair

[soft bloom]

Oh no, the link...

More tectonics fun:
nature.com/articles/s41598-024-77399-2/figures/5

Out of all websites... Nature should get banned in this chat

Random thought that is relevant.
It's fun thing, that some of the most progressive sources of ideas and inspiration get the most dogshit accusations.
And as history knows, it was (first) done by the church, against science.

I can't proove it, but I find more evidence that sometimes saying in full all you know only creates a shock, while gradual unveiling and invitation to do own research does better job at spreading idea among those who can develop it.

Like imagine Steve jobs telling you on a forum that next year you will buy a phone with just 5 buttons.
(Idk, just somewhat recent example of tech innovation that we take for grunted nowadays)

[soft bloom]

Well, atm volume of compressed files is larger than what program takes from RAM
So if it does re-write the whole thing upon initiation, it does so unnoticably

[thorny bone]

Got a new pc recently.. im having some trouble with drivers. any computer geek/it person who can help me out..?

[pure karma]

Ask baldur

Might be sleeping tho no clue

[jagged snow]

What's the issue?

[thorny bone]

Whenever I try to download my cpu drivers this shows up

Ive got an amd cpu but the gpu is 4060, ive got the 4060 drivers already

[jagged snow]

What cpu?

[jagged snow]

And you're trying to install chipset drivers?

[thorny bone]

I just looked up the drviers for this cpu

[jagged snow]

Well there's not exactly such a thing as cpu drivers

What motherboard do you have?

[thorny bone]

How do I check?

[pure karma]

System info

In the search ussually

[thorny bone]

Sorry im rly slow

[pure karma]

Well tech support ussually takes like 3 days per question so this is basically 100x speed

[thorny bone]

im in system info but where is it

Think this is gotta be it

[jagged snow]

Then look up amd b650 chipset drivers, that's what you need

https://www.amd.com/en/support/downloads/drivers.html/chipsets/am5/b650.html

[thorny bone]

Do I just download all of them?

[jagged snow]

Nope

[jagged snow]

Ah

Then yes
Sorry, thought you were somewhere else

[thorny bone]

Ok thx its installing

Is done, do I need to do anything else?

[jagged snow]

Nope

Maybe just restart, it should prompt you for it

[thorny bone]

Oki did the restart

Thx a lot

[jagged snow]

Yep

[iron aspen]

🌮 🥙🍦

[soft bloom]

what do you do to yourself when you re-re-rediscover optimization that saves time once again?

[pure karma]

You keep optimizing

[mental oriole]

You optimize if it's worth spending the time to do so.

Like I optimized my message bus from 500k subscribers at ~150 msg/s to
750/s - 1300/s (depending on parallel lib used)

[mental oriole]

idk what that is but sure.

[iron aspen]

im donating computing to science

for medicine

[mental oriole]

ooh cool

[iron aspen]

my task will be done in hours

10

num lock was off

[soft bloom]

from time to time i forget to put process on parallelization...
and then be like "oh, actually, I can parallelize it no problem..."

[mental oriole]

Old version was also parallelized.

[soft bloom]

i hope that workunit is not some piece of unique identifier

[mental oriole]

I just re-structured how objects and callbacks are stored.

[soft bloom]

also boinc subdomain lmao

[twin dew]

Just complex molecule folding simulation, trying to find what certain molecules might look like.

Brute force trying to try all possibilities and calculate link energies to find the lowest one(s).

[soft bloom]

probably something like Folding at home or whatever it was called

[twin dew]

Yes

[soft bloom]

which reminds me... of 'global consciousness'

oh btw they have some data to prove(?) that there's a correlation

noosphere.princeton.edu/

I think their data was the first time I used CWT

[broken stratus]

Don't but an RX 7600xt. It's a crashaholic

[willow pike]

run DDU, it might fix it

[broken stratus]

It's more than likely AMD's crappy software

I'll figure something out

[dire igloo]

so you even suspect a driver issue, then go run DDU

it's THE go-to tool for GPU driver stuff

[verbal raft]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-what-wut-crazy-gif-20900490

[broken stratus]

I'll figure it out

[visual tree]

Great, new Windows 11 update messed up my asus drivers and changed some settings like default browser

Not to mention I also have to manually turn on smooth scrolling on browser because instant scrolling (or whaetever you call it) hurts my eyes so bad....

[night girder]

people called me crazy for wanting to block W11 updates

[visual tree]

I should probably do that too....

At least it's not like in Windows 10 where updates messed up my nvidia drivers all the time

[night girder]

Oh shit. Bytedance did it.

[visual tree]

Good, no more trash content from influencers even though I don't use TikTok

[night girder]

Me neither 🤣 I hate it that YT also got the format of shorts.

[broken stratus]

Recorded it

[night girder]

Why would I want to watch shorts, on a PC monitor? 😒

All the unused space 😭

[edgy hazel]

you indicated that you have no desire to accept help with that issue. So you're just complaining into the void rn

[night girder]

This is when I ask YT shorts.

All phone ratios 😦

[visual tree]

Youtube shorts is also broken since it doesn't load menu most of the time on my browser

[broken stratus]

It's not a gpu issue

It's more than likely a storage device issue

[night girder]

1.1B shorts already. Must be so much shit.

[edgy hazel]

https://archlinux.org/download/

[broken stratus]

My brother's computer can't run the government wildlife conservation apps on Linux

[visual tree]

We should do an april fool's joke and lie to influencers that Instagram is shutting down so we can watch their reaction

[broken stratus]

I'm just throwing out ideas because sometimes the voids stares back

[broken stratus]

It's not a gpu problem it's a storage device problem

[edgy hazel]

windows at this point is a trash heap of garbage, stacked on garbage with more garbage that's sending your data directly to the US. I'm at a point where I'm not even gonna help people with windows anymore. Come to me with mac questions sure no problem. But fuck anything microsoft

[broken stratus]

Ok hold on

[night girder]

Yeah, I am starting to think Windows might be a lost cause.

[broken stratus]

This is the only mac I have

[edgy hazel]

linux is now at a point where it's good enough for 95% of people and the remaining 5% just need to change their toolstack

and windows is just too bloated with trash and privacy invading shit

[night girder]

And the company doesn't give a shit about half of its userbase. Companies > plebs.

[broken stratus]

Then you have publishers going around and updating 10-15 year old software to detect if it's running on anything other than windows

It's bs

[edgy hazel]

it fucks with your drivers for no reason, it blocks you from doing stuff with your OWN device, it sends your data to their cloud for AI and """"improving their services for you"""" and it's less than reliable at this point

[night girder]

News from yesterday, microsoft is working on a battery icon for menubar ... for real? 2025?

maybe they shoudl ask copilot to write the code.

since they invested so much resources into their AI

[night girder]

the driver fucking can be mitigated. but shouldn't happen in first place maybe?

[mental oriole]

So the one that exists today doesnt work?

[edgy hazel]

it should never happen in the first place. And having to go through like 4 menus for that is less than user friendly

[night girder]

I don't have W11 laptop, but what I've read, that those are provided by the laptop company themselves.

[mental oriole]

hmm interesting

[night girder]

not sure. 🙈

Think that due to the many manufacturers and battery management systems, it is a bit more difficult to calculate this for a separate OS from the hardware. Then for example on a Mac where Apple manages the hardware in addition to OS. Or the manufacturers of Android devices. That Dell and ho and others can actually show or request the battery status with the installation of battery drivers. Are there plenty of users who don't want these drivers.** Current percentage from Windows is the estimated percentage in my opinion. Possibly not the actual value.**

[edgy hazel]

and they work sooooo gooood

[night girder]

I used translator for this one. Sorry.

"The Dell and ho..." 🤣

[edgy hazel]

Dell and the other sluts

[night girder]

Herg, you been gaming lately on Linux?

[edgy hazel]

Im daily driving arch

[night girder]

Because that's the only thing windows has over linux (in my opinion, and I know this list: www.protondb.com)

[edgy hazel]

All my games run as well or better on Linux

[night girder]

"Oh no, I can't play the game."
looks at banner
"Nvm."

[mental oriole]

xD

[broken stratus]

Do you browse the /g/ board or something? @edgy hazel

[edgy hazel]

What's that

Some 4chan thing?

[broken stratus]

Ok nevermind then

Yes

[edgy hazel]

Bro I use Tumblr

[broken stratus]

Technology board

Oh. Well similar vibe

[edgy hazel]

Well no, because on Tumblr I can look at tux making out with sonic

[night girder]

@visual tree Not very professional. But if you follow the numbers, you should get to there.

Ah fuck, I forgot a number. Click the hardware tab before 4 😄

It's hidden deep in the OS.

[visual tree]

Looks like it was already set to download automatically by default

[night girder]

Yeah, that means downloading drivers.

So windows will download drivers if needed. But I've read a lot this can sometimes cause issues.

I enabled it when I was installing windows so everything needed was downloaded to get started. Then I disabled it once I installed my own drivers.

[visual tree]

I think windows 11 update messed up my existing driver though. Some app by Asus used to monitor hardware (forgot it's name)

[night girder]

Armoury Crate thing?

[visual tree]

Nvm, found it: www.file.net/process/asupio.sys.html

[visual tree]

Oh, I got a notification for Armoury Crate too but ignored it

[night girder]

I wouldn't fuck around with armoury crate. I installed it a few years ago, it was bloatware. Took me a bit to get it fully cleaned up.

Maybe it improved. But at release, it was horrible.

[visual tree]

I used it when I first bought asus hardware but got rid of it too because it annoyed me

[night girder]

This was left over on my system after I "uninstalled it".

And that was only part of it.

That was 3 years ago going by date.

[edgy hazel]

Have you tried linux yet

[night girder]

You don't need to convince me.

I am already a believer. Not a user.

[edgy hazel]

You can start with ubuntu ❤️

[night girder]

Windows = gaming. Macbook = all the rest.

[edgy hazel]

Dual boot and try it

Just because protondb tells you it's fucked doesn't mean it's fucked for you

You got an amd GPU right?

[night girder]

cpu and gpu yes.

I bid nvidia and intel 👋

[edgy hazel]

Try a dual boot. That's how I started

I use arch now btw

[night girder]

Can i?

[edgy hazel]

Yeah

[night girder]

🤣

[edgy hazel]

Start with ubuntu, you might stick with it, or switch to something else later

[night girder]

I looked into arch.

They really put effort in the installer I've read.

[edgy hazel]

Lmao 🤣

[night girder]

Ok, maybe I am misinformed.

[edgy hazel]

Yeah it's really stripped down. The whole os is

That's why it's faster

[mental oriole]

From what I've read you have to install pretty much everything you want/ need by yourself.

[night girder]

No. Wait. let me see if I can find source.

[edgy hazel]

Anyway try ubuntu first or kubuntu (ubuntu with kde plasma desktop environment)

The actual OS distribution only really matters when you use the terminal

[edgy hazel]

No the installer is horrible. But they added a script that makes it very easy

[dire igloo]

pop!

[night girder]

That must be it. The script. I've read something about it a time ago.

Cannot find it anymore. Ah well. Doesn't matter.

[dire igloo]

i mean, no bloatware, so... I see that as a plus for anyone that wants a clean system

[edgy hazel]

But for anyone that just wants to get away from windows, go to ubuntu first

[night girder]

Build from the bottom up (add what you need to your system) vs drill from the top down (remove bloat from your system).

[mental oriole]

It's a plus 😄
I'm either going ubuntu or arch on my system next, I haven't decided yet.

[night girder]

I don't know. Does ubuntu look like this? And how much can be changed about this visual theme?

[night girder]

That looks already way cleaner.

[edgy hazel]

but you can customize it to a macbook dock

[night girder]

For arch you need to add your own UI library or something?

Or how does that work?

[edgy hazel]

you need to pick a desktop enviroment

which you can in the installer script

[night girder]

Alright, I found the list 👍

[edgy hazel]

the distribution is basically the lower layer like terminal and stuff like that and the stuff you interact with like settings menu and deskop is the desktop enviroment

[soft bloom]

Does the rest include hosting docker containers?

[night girder]

hosting no. running yes.

[soft bloom]

As long as you can code, you can change it 🙂

[edgy hazel]

you don't need to code

[night girder]

That sounds like too much work

[edgy hazel]

I can't code for shit

look what I'm doing over here

[soft bloom]

Normal people: incorporate multiprocessing into the program so that it's aware
Me: write notebook that launches multiple instances with different envvars, and joins their output

[mental oriole]

Clearly flexing

[night girder]

For what environment did you go?

[edgy hazel]

KDE plasma

if you want to just check it out, kubuntu is ubuntu with KDE plasma

[soft bloom]

There two kinds of people: those who feel superior by flexing
And those who feel superior by not having need to flex

[night girder]

I am just browsing wiki.archlinux.org/title/Desktop_environment

[soft bloom]

Why? It's for older machines. Aka pre 2010

[night girder]

and both do it for ego.

[edgy hazel]

I'm just showing that I use arch with 0 programming knowledge 😢

[night girder]

I am not talking about you for context.

[soft bloom]

Second does nothing

[night girder]

it does ... still feel superior, which feeds ego

[soft bloom]

Which is a flex still
But don't worry i didn't intend anything bad about you

[edgy hazel]

I use arch btw

[mental oriole]

[broken stratus]

Meanwhile gigachads

[soft bloom]

Idk what's the goal, but Ubuntu is mainstream (hah, this word again)
And there are less known options that are more user-friendly
And niche stuff

Just talk to chatgpt and see what it suggests

[night girder]

herg is just saying; if you want to get rolled into Linux, Ubuntu is a good starting point.

[soft bloom]

Surely

[mental oriole]

Prettye much this.

[night girder]

regardless of it being mainstream or not. If it's easy to get going.

[broken stratus]

DOH

[night girder]

we should ask.

[soft bloom]

Also it has nice touchpad features

I remember amazing macbook owners with them 🙂

But barely anybody knows

[edgy hazel]

Tbh as a starting point, use ubuntu. You'll find more stuff on Google if you have issues

I switched January last year to linux. I know the struggle

[night girder]

I learned that following good documentation, really helps.

[night girder]

Well, the switch is for every different. It depends on how you use the system, what is important for you etc.

A "dumb" reason that I am still in the Apple eco system is because of my music library.

My whole music library I use for decade or two is in itunes and now the music.app. It recorded how many times I played a song, how many songs I skipped etc. I just need to find a replacement that I can use on my NAS or Linux that can read the library. But then it means that my iphone wouldn't sync with the library anymore. So I need to find a replacement for that too. So, it really isn't an easy switch.

[soft bloom]

need to find a replacement that I can use on my NAS or Linux that can read the library.
what's wrong about just using VLC?

idk how much music that is, but I know VLC can read over network as well

Rhythmbox on Linux is quite powerful as well

[stray badger]

kde for older machines? what are you talking about

[stray badger]

completely disagree on fedora, its similar to ubuntu in terms of difficulty

[stray badger]

i guess we showin off now

[night girder]

is that thunderbird?

[tough owl]

Yea

[tough owl]

HE DID IT

[jagged snow]

Oh hey we have the exact same monitor

[cyan crescent]

If i added remote start to my 24 Colorado after i bought it, how do i get remote start to show up on the mychevy app?

[jagged snow]

I'd wager the only ones that could arrange that would be a chevy dealership

[stray badger]

yes

[soft bloom]

compression is a blessing

single thread gzip does about 1.3MB/s at level 9
which feels slow when after compression file is still in hundreds of megabytes

[pure karma]

the project side of my brain has trigered and now im designing an entire desk

im also realising this is uhhh massive 200CM X 170CM might be a bit crazy

[jagged snow]

That's honestly not that big?

Just way too square for a desk

More of a table

[pure karma]

its a U desk so yea without context it is fairly ridicules

im thinking making it 2 50x170 segments and one 50x100 segment

i did make a rushed model but obviously its nothing crazy

if i get monitor arms im not gonna add like a second level if i dont i might idk yet

i dont even want to start thinking about display cables cause there no way in heck any of them are gonna reach but thats a problem for later me

[soft bloom]

50is quite thin
Keyboard where?

[pure karma]

The black rectangle

My curent desk is 40 something but yea i could maybe stretch the center a bit

Dont have room to make the sides any wider however

[tough owl]

why do you need so many monitors

[jagged snow]

Genuinely no need at that point imo

Because once you have more than two or maybe three it's legitimately easier and faster to switch windows than look way to your left at another monitor

[tough owl]

alt+tab my beloved

[cobalt ivy]

It depends on the use. Some people I know have 6 monitors but most of them are programmers of some kind, or work in tech and need to view things simultaneously

[stray badger]

discord on one monitor, IDE on another, browser on another (docs, youtube, spotify, etc)

thats how i had it when i had 3 before i went down to 2

[pure karma]

ultrawide for sim racing or generally discord, game, youtube and then+ 1 for second pc

Generally only ever use 2 or 3 at once i almost always have atleast one off

[charred relic]

Tech 😄

[pure karma]

I use to just raw dog alt tab but at some point when your swapping trough like 4,5 diffrent tabs constantly it gets anoying

[charred relic]

Ultrawide woul be nice as the middle or only screen for flight simulators too 😉

[stray badger]

naurr!!! dont solder them!!!

[charred relic]

i love the smell... too bad it's deadly

[mental oriole]

That looks way too cramped for any kind of comfort.

[tribal kraken]

Yeah and I would do the sim racing rig separate anyway. I know it's not possible always. But for me it's too much trouble to swap the wheel from working desk, and ergonomic driving position is lot different than a office chair

[twin dew]

Unstable CPU or RAM most likely.

But that broken GPU driver install that needs DDU and manual reinstall is possibility too.

[tribal kraken]

About the Cybertruck in EU. Looking at the gross weights, all models would be registered C-class here as its about 4 tons (over 3500kg). Its the same with all the heavy american pick-ups too.

[languid gulch]

yea but also is it even allowed to exist there since it hasn't undergone basically any safety testing

[twin dew]

It cannot fullfill pedestrian safety testing as currently build.
No idea about car on car or driver/passanger safety.

And Tesla knows, which is why there are no plans to bring it to EU.

[tribal kraken]

C-class would also mean speed limiter 80km/h

[iron aspen]

Dont worry, you can still 'download' more ram

[glossy glacier]

Car on car is probably bad too. No buffer zones and rigid frame

[twin dew]

Yeah, but I don't know where on spectrum it sits on that in actuality.
But there are absolutely no pedestrian hit safety features, and some significant antifeatures.
Like the outer front corners and that the outside panel goes higher than the frunk lid:

[glossy glacier]

The point of the front is basically on chest height. It is designed to be anti-pedestrian

[tribal kraken]

I think will buy a wheelloader and drive my commute with it. Pallet forks always attached

[soft bloom]

so rigid that a couple drops of rain and it 'adapts'

it's kinda built for zombi apoc, but will get corroded by their flash

[tribal kraken]

"Safety bumber" of my desing. No law or regulations in Finland would require to use one for this tractor. But we still made it rounded shape. But no crumble zones whatsoever. Its 8mm steel, about 300kg empty but with concrete fill upto 1200kg for field work balancing.

Good storage for tools if not full concrete fill

[charred relic]

ohhh nice

i've only driven something like that in farming simulator haha

Well... I had great uncles that were farmers and when I was a kid through early teens I'd get to drive some of their stuff but we're talking 70's era stuff

[verbal raft]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Q1l5NqzwlB8?si=eZTvZYqTI92OIWSp lol

[visual tree]

Great, our company anti-phishing system started detecting our own employee e-mails as phishing 🤣

And outside vendors noticed e-mails from our domain are being marked as spam

[edgy hazel]

Uhhh some employee was naughty and spammed mails

(Start looking at sales people)

[soft bloom]

Prob some manager sending invites for 20 5-minute-long meetings each day

[visual tree]

I think every department has a manager like that lol

[edgy hazel]

Nah sales people have the wildest ideas (sending all their contacts an email with bcc)

[visual tree]

At least they don't include me in meeting which could be solved by a short call instead of wasting 1 hour in meetings

[verbal raft]

[pure karma]

Well so is my curent setup so…

i would do 130cm for the middle but then the room is too small

atleast i think

yea no shot

[soft bloom]

There's definitely no point in wasting desk space for pc

And you NEED more distance from monitor to keyboard

[pure karma]

well i can always ajust that by just moving the monitors

or the keyboard

problem solved

[tribal kraken]

Well you know, the 3D model for tractor was exported from Farming Sim 22 to visualize the desing 😂

As almost all data files for that game are not encrypted, and free to use for modding

[wanton orchid]

bet it put spams in spam box as required

5876432dolars technology

• -> spam

[visual tree]

Can't wait to hear response from Corporate security about what exactly caused this issue

[soft bloom]

if it has just 50cm width - no, you can't.
70cm is just around minimum
i have full-size kb around 30 cm from rear end

[verbal raft]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_ZjBueTD6c

[soft bloom]

a great win for flat-earthers! 😉
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiSJulK23ew

[visual tree]

Brb, need to find some flat-earthers and troll them

[willow pike]

flat earth is dead, they all went to qanon years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTfhYyTuT44

[visual tree]

I wonder how they would react if we launched them in a rocket and sent them to ISS

My guess is they will say it's a holographic projection and nothing is real

[willow pike]

"it's like that channel 4 reality TV show where they told people they were in space"

[cyan crescent]

Its kinda crazy how thin thin m4 ipad pro is. If it was any thinner, they would be able to fit the usb-c port

[night girder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN6ZlssqNAE

Was wondering how sturdy these thin devices are.

[pure karma]

as sturdy as paper

that way you have to buy them by the box

200 ipads for 20$

because they each last about an hour

[languid gulch]

i honestly don't know why there are apple customers. they're clearly hated by the company

[dire igloo]

ehhhh, Apple's target audience is the "buy and forget" type of consumer
they want to get a product that works, get good service for it while in the warranty period, then buy a new one when it eventually bricks itself

and Apple is milking them

tho their M4 silicon is actually dope, macbooks are a good rec if you don't plan on tinkering with your notebook

[soft bloom]

you forgot the "... and use it to assert status"

[languid gulch]

reminds me of brands like Land Rover. absolute garbage, but they're expensive up front & with maintenance, so you're buying it to show people you can afford to waste ungodly amounts of money on something stupid

[soft bloom]

fair
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBhTW9764rk

[soft bloom]

Yesterday I watched this somewhat unrelated vid about music production tech shift towards the same samples and tools (especially shift from analog to digital)
and I wanted to share with idea "kinda reminds me of what is prob going to happen with AI to programming - no novelty, same snippets of code etc"
and now vid on top repeats that thought
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZgPKGVJrdc

same story happened to vid game assets

so real question is - who will stay in the field to innovate, and how these innovations will get adopted by future LLMs

[pure karma]

i feel like gamestreaming off a macbook would make it the perfect laptop for extended ussage simply because of the battery life

like laptop makers need to step up there game

an hour of battery life is not enough

[winged valley]

Unless you want to return to heavy and bulky laptops, it's not really feasible to give a laptop with say a 14900H and 4080M more than at most 2 hours of gaming performance

Unless you want to have >$100 batteries

That's a massive problem with the current thin-and-light meta

[soft bloom]

What's the point of gaming laptop? Worse experience for more money

Are there really people who travel as much or enjoy cranking their spine to look down on smaller monitor, touch hot keyboard, and be defened by fans?

Oh and battery life

[winged valley]

I use my summit (business laptop) for gaming at various places, most of which are places where I probably shouldn't be gaming

But other than my negative use case, its for people who travel a lot yeah

Technically its also more economic to just have a laptop since you can use it anywhere

[languid gulch]

ngl i miss the "i could break down a door with this laptop" style 🤣

also the option to swap out batteries when one runs low

except for the board frying itself, i loved my first laptop's chunkiness

had to look up that laptop, and my god the specs on it are hilarious compared to today

www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-Vostro-1400.5527.0.html

4090 is estimated at 292x more powerful according to TPU

[jagged snow]

They sell for very cheap used, I picked mine up for software dev stuff and paid $400 because it had cosmetic only damage from a drop
I'm working various places, usually with power, and the fast cpu vastly speeds things up
Battery life is poor, but enough for what I need

[wanton orchid]

transportable

[pure karma]

At 1/4 of the performance

[sharp oasis]

I'm honestly suprised how intense this is for Minecraft. I sometimes have drops into the 60s of fps.

[stray badger]

well i used to run BSL on a 750ti at 24fps so id say thats fine

[edgy hazel]

BSL gaaaang

[sharp oasis]

60 is unbearable for me now

Below 60 is beyond Unbearable

If it's a stable 60 capped I can chill

Preferred 140-165fps tho

[edgy hazel]

they call it the switch 2 because after 5 minutes of playing you switch 2 another console

[celest fulcrum]

as someone who bought one when i was like 13 it was the best thing ever since i figured i could bring it everywhere i go rather than some massive heavy cube

however i brought it with me like once ever and it sat on my desk the rest of the time acting like a desktop.... so there is really no need to buy a gaming laptop now

i guess it could be hypothetically cheaper if you buy one rather than a pc + keyboard + mouse + monitor but desktops are better 99% of the time

[dire igloo]

You can use it to take notes during School/Uni/etc and then game during breaks (obviously don't game during lectures)

Also, I've had a friend that lived in a tiny student apartment near the campus during the week and then drove home to his parents over the weekend.
Dude always carried his PC and monitor around - and when he didn't, he said it sucked cuz he couldn't game with friends in the evening.

And about the traveling part: at least once a month, I'm traveling for work. Having gaming stuff I can use for on the go is very neat.
Tho I'll probably invest in a Steamdeck rather than a gaming laptop

[rustic panther]

You use a shaderpack for that right?

[rustic panther]

I know people who still regularly spend the weekend at their parents' place

They have a steam deck now :V

[twin dew]

"Nice"... Windows 11 now by default is in S-mode, so you cannot run CMD or like to switch off requirement for MS account.
And switching out of S-mode too requires MS account in Store..

Trying to do base setup on new laptop for my grand father.
So options at this point are to force-boot into recovery mode and do manual stuff with registry, or log in with my own MS account, and then later remove everything related to that from both the laptop and my account...

Yes, I could have made new Windows install with modified image too.
But couldn't have been sure if it would activate right.

[mental oriole]

Another reason Im running from wandows...

[pure karma]

atleast windows is relatable... Sometimes...

[night girder]

There are workarounds

OOBE\BypassNRO

Worked for me during w11 installation. Not sure what s mode is.

[twin dew]

Doesn't work with that Windows S Mode, that prevents running Cmd etc.
Anything that isn't from Windows Store is blocked.

Cannot run Regedit, cannot run Cmd, cannot run Powershell, cannot run Reg etc.

[night girder]

There are other w11 versions /installers on git 🙈

[twin dew]

I know I could have gone around that multiple ways.
Including reinstalling etc.

Or I could have used installer to go into recovery cmd, and then do the regedit to set what that BypassNRO does, or disable that S-mode.

[night girder]

Maybe its a laptop thing that s mode?

[twin dew]

All new OEM Win11 Home installs default to that now.

Not sure about all retail Win11 Home installs.
Pro and above will not default to it.

[night girder]

Well, I got pro.

You can too 😊

[twin dew]

Like I said, this is new laptop with the as provided Windows 11.
And not for my use, I'm just setting it up.

Before finishing customization etc. with the new owner later.

[night girder]

Well, you went through the hoops

[twin dew]

Was just very annoying that that OOBE bypass didn't work anymore straight away.

[night girder]

Mhh. Not sure.

[twin dew]

On Home, because of that S-Mode preventing running it

[night girder]

Still surprises me. Might be done by vendor.

But will look later into it to see if MS communicated this change.

[twin dew]

No, checked that it is the new stardard.
As you can never switch BACK to S-mode without full reinstall.

And what that bypassNRO actuall does is pretty simple, it is just batch file with following contents:

reg add HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\OOBE /v BypassNRO /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f
shutdown /r /t 0```
So just sets single registry key and then reboots.

[tribal kraken]

I just did 2 fresh W11 24H2 Pro installs for my PCs. Everything worked as should. "Server" machine required registry edit to show the checkbox for removing login password in netplwiz. 2 years seems to be nice time frame for fresh installs

[twin dew]

Like I said, Pro doesn't default to S-Mode.
I did Win11 24H2 Pro install too with unedited media recently and used that bypass.

But this was 550e consumer laptop with Win11 Home preinstalled.
Ryzen 7520U CPU, 16GB of LPDDR5 5500MT/s, Crap QLC HBM OEM 1TB NVMe SSD, Micron MTFDKCD1T0QFM.
Full-HD IPS display with below sRGB color gamut (like all cheap laptops).

Should last another 10+ years or until grandfather dies for the intended use of browsing and email.
Old one popped hinge screws loose (again?) and is over 10 years old at this point IIRC.
With HDD to SSD swap, and display cable replacement when old broke at the hinge, and might have epoxied the hinge screws back then already once.

[soft bloom]

game during breaks
seen that. in a 10 minute break what can you game that needs laptop power?..

[glossy glacier]

You dont need the bypass in Pro or up. Just choose other options > Join domain when promted for MS account

And home defaulting to S sounds wrong... You sure its a normal image?

[dire igloo]

A strike in Destiny 2

Also, some people do what I said they shouldn't - game during lectures

[pure karma]

i totally havent turned science class into programing class... noooo.....

[dire igloo]

Oh yeah, completely dismissed that: doing actual work

Editing shit in a media class, CAD stuff for engineering, AI training for compsci, etc

[pure karma]

dont forget cooking class

[soft bloom]

Still it seems like the 'gaming' part of gaming laptops is a very niche thing.
workstations exist without being advertized as gaming

[twin dew]

You cannot join a domain with Home.
That too is Pro and up only.

[twin dew]

Like I said, for preinstalled OEM Windows 11 Home, yes.

For self-installed Windows 11 Home, not sure.
For Windows 11 Pro, no.

And IIRC that "Home cannot join Domain" has been limitation since Windows Vista.

S-Mode was optional with Windows 10 Home large-OEM, but was IIRC cheaper for the OEM.
But AFAIK it is now mandatory for Windows 11 Home large-OEM.
But I can be wrong about that, and it is still just cheaper.

And in Windows 10, switching out was trivial.
And even in Windows 11, switching out is trivial, but is done through MS Store, and that now doesn't allow you to do anything without MS account either, even installing free apps.

Unlike before, when you only needed MS account for paid apps.

[night girder]

I can't even play MC without loging into store every x days.

[twin dew]

@glossy glacier Whops, my bad, read the original message wrong.

[sharp oasis]

Yes

[night girder]

🖕 Microsoft 🖕

[glossy glacier]

Many better 3rd party launchers out there

[twin dew]

For JAVA version.
But AFAIK that isn't tied to MS Store in any way?
But the Bedrock rewrite is?

[glossy glacier]

Both MC versions are tied to an MS account now

[twin dew]

Ok.

[glossy glacier]

And yeah, Java. Don't know if any exist for bedrock
nobody plays bedrock anyway

[mental oriole]

It's just like shorts being hidden for 30 days only...

Like IM NOT INTEREDTED IN SHORTS

[night girder]

I know 😦 So annoying.

The screenshot is the launcher for different versions. But store is mandatory.

[wanton orchid]

what ? I'm still installing free app though ?
or is it extremely recent ?
or only 24h2 ?

[twin dew]

Might be Windows 11 only, and not in Win 10.
But some time in last 2 years.

[wanton orchid]

I'm talking Windows 11

I'm on windows 11

installed as 11

[twin dew]

Ok, seems I misremembered, it is per app, some free ones require, most don't.

Just that MS has switched lot of their own ones to require it.

[wanton orchid]

let me double check in a up to date vm

[twin dew]

But that S-Mode disable did require login to the Store as one.

Because I had to log in on my main computer, but not on the secondary one.

To install something.

So yes, my mistake, Win11 MS Store still doesn't require login for (most?) free apps.

[wanton orchid]

linux is so bad at defragmenting memory its lame

(my vm run onhugepages and linux dont fucking want to allocate them although 35GB is literally free (no cache no buffer))

[wanton orchid]

got pissed off, running without hugepages

[wanton orchid]

not 24h2 yet as I said earlier

would need to take some time to prepare it

[night girder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ59h7xfvdI

[charred relic]

Yeah that was a big drama at a point

It's literally impossible to tell somebody what to set their levels to unless you know what hardware and software combination heh

Never undertood the level of drama over it though, you can hear if it's wrong

[night girder]

Nice exampling of people bitching on the internet about input gain, and then someone just proofing by video that they are all wrong 🤣

[charred relic]

Yeah I kinda figured as much out just using different gear

And really it's the softwares fault....

[night girder]

It's really interesting video tbh.

[charred relic]

yeah he does a deep dive into the whole thing

If you ask some random person on a discord or something about it they'll have a "solution" and tell you to set your level at Xdb

some amp sims if you are pushing anywhere close to 0 you are crushing the front end with way more than it's expecting

[night girder]

I just use my ears.

[night girder]

The steam app has yes.

[charred relic]

Yeah like if I load up Rockerverb amp sim I know what it's supposed to sound like

I can tell if the pre in the amp is giving me as much grit as i expect

[night girder]

2.8 in the app store from Apple

[charred relic]

well the app is... well

i never use it, don't see a point lol

[night girder]

2FA. They combined it into the app afaik.

[charred relic]

yeah i was trying to think of another scenario where i opened it

and that';s it

[night girder]

I try to keep it analog here 😉

[charred relic]

I build analog pedals 🙂

[night girder]

Yeah, never done that. But researched it a bit.

you can find a lot of schematics etc.

[mental oriole]

Use steam app for 2fa, the rest of the UI is unusable

[charred relic]

PedalPCB has a ton of boards that just need populated and put in an enclusure

These days it's not even that expensive to have custom boards made

Brian Wampler has a book that's all about modifying popular off the shelf pedals too

Tube Screamers are good... but they can be gooder 😄

Speaking of which a project I want to do soonish is a real tube driven overdrive pedal

[wanton orchid]

@twin dew

intel pulled something

makes me want to try to update the x570d4u-2l2t x550-t2l nvm again

(context: sounds like intel removed some locks to bmc/driver controler's hardware port config)

[languid gulch]

yay i get to eviscerate onedrive from my system

again

[mental oriole]

Good luck

[tough owl]

I got an easy command for you

[languid gulch]

🤣

i assume it's a regedit

[languid gulch]

k, wondering if AIB partners are allowed to use the new 50 series double blow thru design on their own stuff, or maybe even previous gen cards

[twin dew]

They cannot and still cover costs.

Nvidia themselves can do crazy stuff, as they don't have to pay themselves the same price for the GPU chip and VRAM as they charge AIBs.

[languid gulch]

and i assume its patented

[twin dew]

The basic idea shouldn't be patentable.
Only the overall look, with specific design language.

As Design Patent.

[languid gulch]

i wonder if AIBs could do a kind of double blow thru, but having it be
[PCB-FAN-FAN] layout so they don't have to do too much of a design change

probably with a 3rd fan over the PCB still

[languid gulch]

dumb question: are the power pathways on a GPU going from the plug to the rest of the card as important it terms of keeping the distance as short as possible like it is with other components, or can it be put basically anywhere on the PCB without issues

[glossy glacier]

Plug to VRM probably not. It's already coming all the way from the PSU anyway

VRM to modules yes, because now you need to ensure stable voltage

[languid gulch]

might be interesting to see a GPU PCB that's dual fan, but has a protrusion on the motherboard side that's just for the PCIe power, have it extend out past the ATX mobo width, so you can plug it in from the backside of the case instead of having the cables front & center

[glossy glacier]

Or get it directly from the mb like in the BTF boards

[pure karma]

getting 600W trough a motherboard? yea good luck with that one

[willow pike]

maybe he wants people to say ALL OF THEM so he can go to boss and say "they all want it"

[willow pike]

next gen should use the same CCDs from strix halo that use InFO_RDL for the connection

lower latency, better scaling

[pure karma]

more than 8 cores will defedently help just not in the cases most AMD users will care about it 😂

[willow pike]

some rumors say AMD are making 16 core CCDs too but now you're into tea leaf territory

[pure karma]

inflate that powaaa ⚡

[verbal raft]

well any "leak" of a product coming out 2 years from now is tea leaf

[willow pike]

they're definitely flexing their cash with all these different dies

[twin dew]

One normal CCD, one Epyc Zen c-CCD, one or two APU chips, consumer IOD, Epyc IOD, V-Cache die.
And now the Strix Halo parts dies.

Where that V-cache die is combined with the base normal CCD die and two blank dies.

[soft bloom]

hooray
someone on internet talks about real problems with practicality of green/renewable energy
https://youtu.be/Q8xsg9iK5yo?si=IN-ExLojaJcr2SVq
if only there was someone to say these words a few years ago...

[twin dew]

For a generation, there are of course multiple generations of APU parts being produced at same time.
And IODs in turn aren't updated each generation.

[edgy hazel]

Oh yeah because there are no other options for green energy other than solar and wind

[twin dew]

Large point is that Germany drove all their nuclear power down in political stunt with extreme consequences.

With promises that solar and wind will replace all that.

[soft bloom]

imagine if innocent vieo games were real about storing electric energy? and players had to build hydro stations instead of polluting world with batteries

[soft bloom]

solar and wind are the least demanding geographically (in Europe and North america)
geothermal is rare
tide/wave needs specific coastline
and what is left after this?

[twin dew]

Norway, Sweden and Finland are all running hydro etc. at max capacity, and still not enough to replace the slump in wind and solar overall.

[twin dew]

That nuclear power?

[soft bloom]

is that green or renewable?
(well ofcoruse it's the most green by definition, but not by usage of 'green', hehe)
it's just nuclear

[twin dew]

Not directly renewable.
But with reprocessing, would give thousands of years of power with current known economic uranium deposits.

[edgy hazel]

You're right. Green energy sucks if it's dark and not windy in a large area without access to coastlines, or any infrastructure to other energy producers.

Throw on the coal powerplants!

[soft bloom]

oh btw, funny,
the hydridic earth claims that there's plenty of hydrogen escaping earth, often creating explosions on surface
and, that there's a mechanism for renewing oil storages (meaning it's not bio-driven)
aka oil fields are liek forest - you cut it down, you leave it alone to let it re-grow and then come back for more
they even claim that some oil digging companies know that and do stop production from time to time, even if covering it up under other reasons

[edgy hazel]

Oh

Oh no

You're one of those

Well have fun

[soft bloom]

point is that it's not reliable, and won't be more reliable.
on the the other ntoe, nuclear is the best one we have implemented at large scale. the most sophisticated, reliable, eco-friendly

also, without diving too much into politics: with new direction of US, I bet EU will also review policies about coal, oil and gas.

[twin dew]

With major image, political and cost problems.
That cost problem mainly from each plant being one-off after very long pause in planning, constructing and approving any.

And the stupid thing is, the image and political problems have mainly come from the members of the "Green" parties...

The stupid thing is that most of the members in those come from the cities...
In Finland there is case where high-level finnish Green party member was asked about where she(?) thought electricity comes from related to nuclear power or something like that, and the answer was something like:
"It comes from the wall socket!"

[soft bloom]

once again - education is dam important

[night girder]

Coal? Nuclear. As a transition energy

[pure karma]

i should start lisening to fireball every time i use this thing

[verbal raft]

if only countries could stop shutting down nuclear

[glossy glacier]

Duh, in gaming half the cores get turned off/get parked.

[twin dew]

Lot of old plants that do need to be shut off soon.
With replacement building needing to start over 10 years ago.

[verbal raft]

I was mostly talking about germany/japan....
in germany thare were some that needed to be shut down but most were shut down for ppl being scared of nuclear

[twin dew]

Yeah, the German thing was just idiocy.

[night girder]

Well, opinions are divided.

[verbal raft]

between the people that know what nuclear is and the people that dont

[soft bloom]

wonder how many power storage plants built for green energy did account for all the things like nuclears did.
I mean natural disasters etc

[night girder]

Nah, I meant opinions are divided between scientists.

Not every scientist believes nuclear is needed to make transition to green.

[charred relic]

I'm all about transitioning to green

[jagged snow]

But far and away the general consensus is that it provides the best base power of any green tech out there other than hydro, which has a greater ecological impact

[twin dew]

And natural hydro is basically tapped out everywhere.

The hand-waving is that base-power is unneeded for some reason they never can tell.

[jagged snow]

Which is great if you want the grid to end up like texas

[twin dew]

And point to various theoretical and very expensive energy storage types to fill in instead.

[jagged snow]

Nuclear also has the huge advantage of being the only green tech other than hydro which spins a turbine(not inverter based)

Which is a wild advantage for grid stability

[twin dew]

We just somehow build lot of pumped hydro as storage.
Magically creating the necessary topography.

[jagged snow]

And ignoring the fact that pumped hydro sucks

It's not a good tech to fill in base load overnight

It's great for midday heating peaks in the winter or something

But they want to do that with batteries 💀

[twin dew]

Well, the other options talked about are even worse AFAIK.

Batteries, kinetic storage, pressurized gas in ground etc.

[night girder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFaAjR_RRJs

Speaking of energy, this is wild stuff.

The artist eventually went to store pressurized air into plastic bottles, to make the beast move when there is no wind.

They can take 10 bars of pressure before they explode he says.

[twin dew]

And would have been better to just use direct electric drive at that point.
Than to compress air into bottles for storage.

[night girder]

bro 🤣

you serious?

The whole art project, is to do it without electricity and motors.

As said in the beginning of the video.

[twin dew]

And you had to use those to get that compressed air to bottle, to release when there is no wind.

[night girder]

Adam Savage even stole it 😄

[night girder]

No? There are no motors. There is no electricity.

Just watch it, it's all mechanics and science.

[sharp oasis]

My second build. Vs now. I guess I've come far.

[twin dew]

Ok, jumped to conclusion.
Yes, manual or wind powered pump could in theory do the work, but would take LOT of runtime to deliver minimal time of air power.

[night girder]

Well it's all shown in the video 🙂

[pure karma]

i have nerver seen a cpu react to throttling by disablign all the P cores in one go instead of downclocking and it did it like 6-7 times that was cool to see

each time the p cores would drop to 0% 400MHZ and the E cores were taking all the load

very interesting behavior

[verbal raft]

👆

yup

or they say that "ooh we can do that with batteries"

that cost a furtune

and may or may not light on fire

[twin dew]

Usually lead or LiFePo, not Li-Ion.
But still cost a fortune and need to be replaced every X years.
Leads about every 5 years or less, newer ones maybe every 10-20, depending on how much derating you are willing to take over time.

[wanton orchid]

what's the point of this statement ?
wind turbine what about them?

[twin dew]

Very good tech for peaker and filling use, to let base power to adjust, when wind, solar etc. delivery changes too fast.

[jagged snow]

Uhh
Inverter based tech can't contribute inertia to stabilize grid frequency

[wanton orchid]

you just tried to escape the point
what's about turbine instead of turbine you call "inverter"

[twin dew]

Most wind power probably isn't direct in way that the blades turn alternator via gearbox at fixed speed, to get right voltage and frequency.
But produce to wild AC, which gets converted to DC, which gets inverted to grid AC.

But no idea what is the reality.

[wanton orchid]

you can do ac to ac
I don't know what they call "inverter" this is an ac as in air conditioning thing
not as in electric power thing

chatgpt talk at its finest

[twin dew]

For voltage, in steps.
Not really for frequency.

Old AC to AC frequency conversion method was just to run motor with one side, to run alternator on the other.

[wanton orchid]

yep

[twin dew]

All the current AC to AC is actually AC-to-DC-to-AC when done with electronic methods.

[wanton orchid]

gearbox is the way

[jagged snow]

Yeah, steam or hydro turbines are actually connected directly to a generator attached to the grid so they must always spin at a constant speed to match the grid frequency
This contributes literal inertia that keeps grid frequency from dropping under sudden spikes of load and helps maintain overall frequency regulation
For anything that outputs DC natively or runs at variable speed(solar, wind) you have to take the DC and convert it to AC with solid state electronics
This means you can for the most part only passively follow grid frequency and can't contribute to maintaining it

[wanton orchid]

much more efficient

[wanton orchid]

no that doesn't inherently give inertia

it simply have very fine load control

which keep it balanced

[twin dew]

In the grid, inertia refers to the kinetic energy stored in spinning generators. In a power grid, inertia is derived from hundreds or thousands of generators that are synchronized, meaning they are all rotating in lock step at the same frequency.

[wanton orchid]

but without that the turbine would basically stale

[twin dew]

When the load changes, the speed of all those spinning turbines tries to change, causing frequency shift.

[wanton orchid]

wind turbine with gearbox have exact same effect

[twin dew]

From the change in amperage demand.

[jagged snow]

It does not because the turbine speed is not coupled to the grid frequency

[wanton orchid]

we are not talking your garden turbine

[jagged snow]

I think you're missing some of the fundamental mechanics of AC generation

[twin dew]

There is always gearbox, but they aren't many-geared things AFAIK.
Because you would need fuckton of gears to manage regulation to 50/60hz +- 0.01Hz level.

Ok, you can also tune the exitation power to change the load on the blades too.

[jagged snow]

AFAIK all commercial turbines are constant gear ratio into a DC generator and then an inverter

[wanton orchid]

the turbine stop by changing impeller blades angle

[twin dew]

Yeah, that was my understanding.

[jagged snow]

And by using brakes

[twin dew]

Even massive wind turbines fail to provide the necessary stability as they are not directly connected to the grid. Instead, a frequency converter between the wind turbine and electricity grid prevents the kinetic energy of the wind turbine’s rotating mass from providing inertia during periods of frequency change.

[wanton orchid]

define commercial
energy company working for b2b are installing impeller regulated ones

[twin dew]

Not DC, that wild AC, then rectifier.
DC Generators have been dead for long time.

[wanton orchid]

when not simply powering your house lights

[jagged snow]

Yes, trying to simplify

[twin dew]

You really don't want commutators if you can skip that.

[jagged snow]

Yep

Reason that even automotive uses alternators for several decades now

[verbal raft]

i'd love it if everyone that cares about climate change had this chart sown into their eyelids

[twin dew]

Seems to be just emission deaths?
Does not include production, installation and maintenance deaths.

[jagged snow]

Includes accidents

[twin dew]

Because those suprisingly high for solar and wind.

And nowhere near that low as that chart would try to point.

[night girder]

Data source: Markandya & Wilkinson (2007); Sovacool et al. (2016); UNSCEAR (2008; & 2018)

[twin dew]

Ok, seems to track when checking multiple places.

[night girder]

I think I found one of the pappers the chart is based on:

[wanton orchid]

sounds lame to me ngl

even business can use literal spinner as ups

you can have a chunky ground spinner provide the AC coupling

[twin dew]

I probably remembered something that only handled consumer house installation statistics.

[night girder]

So, there is indirrect emissions and direct emissions.

So for hydro, wind, solar it's al indrect.

[twin dew]

Yeah, indirect is the production, transfer, getting rid of.

[wanton orchid]

my point was : turbine are not what provides the stability, but the water tank driver is

power is much higher than the turbine shaft inertia

[twin dew]

The needed stability is on seconds level.

At max

That the frequency of the grid changes slowly, not spiking all over.

[wanton orchid]

then fucking turbine have coils with wire the size of my legs

[twin dew]

And that is also from the spinning generators affecting each other, when one tries to slow, the others via grid force it to keep up.

And same other way.
Causing extra load or load release on each turbine or like as it tries to diverge.

[verbal raft]

i guess the best fossil fuel is actually oil....thats new to me

[night girder]

No.

The paper is way more nuanced than any conclussions made in this chat.

[twin dew]

Where as purely "shit ton of inverters" would very easily start to oscillate on grid level.

[night girder]

It even includes sleep disturbance.

[wanton orchid]

that's why I'm talking about providing AC AC mechanical spinner coupling, which can easily be built and providing insane inertia

[night girder]

Nuclear energy is not therefore a solution to climate change, but it remains an attractive hope for electricity production for future generations.

[jagged snow]

Yep
To keep costs down you'll always need some sort of physical turbine unless you want to invest far more heavily into a much more failure prone system that's entirely solid-state

Where did they garner that conclusion?

Because nuclear + soloar/wind is about as close to ideal power production as it gets

None of them require much or any fuel so transportation costs are minimal, all very safe

[night girder]

Well, for that you have to read paper.

[jagged snow]

With very high loss of effeciency

[verbal raft]

Ok then.....i am dumb

jumped to a conclusion

[night girder]

Not really.

I posted the dates of the sources 😉 So it's a bit outdated information.

Or maybe not. Who knows!

But the pdf I posted, is one of the sources, the graph you posted is based on.

[twin dew]

Basically idea is to use Wind to charge an inertia type power storage, and discharge it at same time to grid...

[night girder]

Although nuclear power has promise as a future energy
technology, more than half a century of research with
several experimental reactors has failed to produce net
energy output in controlled production. The best
estimates are that perhaps another 50 years will pass
before the technology is developed to the point of
commercially viability, which will be too late to make a
significant contribution to mitigation of climate change
over this century

So, the writers, assume, nuclear is too late to change climate change.

[twin dew]

That seems to talking about Fusion.

Not Fission.

[night girder]

Yeah, I am also confused atm.

It was written in 2007.

[jagged snow]

Yep
You could instead of dc -> ac inverter have a motor spinning a flywheel with your grid attached generator
But high cost and does cause some power loss

[twin dew]

Inertia type power storage = flywheel

[jagged snow]

I'm aware

I'm just stating that to try to tell you we're on the same page

[night girder]

You know what I am missing in the paper? What is indirect emissions. They don't specify.

[jagged snow]

Would be emissions created from maintineance, construction, and disposal

[night girder]

Well, it would suite a paper, to specify that.

[jagged snow]

Yeah that would be nice

[twin dew]

Everything from mining the minerals to make the thing, to making the thing, to transporting the thing, to installing the thing, to dismantling and getting rid of the thing.

Everything outside the direct during usage stuff.

For the whole life cycle.

Including that for the fuels.
Direct only includes the emissions from the plant when running, not the drilling/mining, transporting etc. of the fuel.

[night girder]

Coal do suck though.

[twin dew]

Which is why that gas has so high indirect.
As the transporting of the natural gas is so energy intensive for the amount of energy.

[wanton orchid]

and why so ?
dont you know electrical motors are more than 95% efficient ?

(ofcourse not the one in your old hair drier, but that's not what's being talked about)

[twin dew]

First one motors losses, then the losses to the bearings for the flywheel etc., then the losses from the alternator.

[wanton orchid]

nuclear power is politically touchy, because of fuel

the twitter people will claim about the recycling
but the real political problem is intake

(though this is naive)

basically energy decisions are usual taken for corruption and political bullshit

not grounded on actual scientific purposes

except when it'll screw your country in a war, there it starts to slowly move somehow

[cobalt ivy]

Nuclear power? 👀

[charred relic]

For those of us old enough we remember when the science magazine covers and headlines were often about the "big freeze" and global cooling...

OG Spock himself, Leonard Nemoy, hosted and narrated an episode of a tv series that was titled "The Coming Ice Age", yeah not so much

[wanton orchid]

"science magazine" I've seen those a lot when I was young
and even being young it was already pissing me off how stupid they were

[night girder]

Which one? 🤣

[warm blade]

I just installed the games on steam after reinstalling steam and i reinstalled it again and now i have to download them all again, how do i make steam recognise the games?!
Or did they uninstall with steam after i uninstalled it completely and now my progress in every game is gone...

[night girder]

Check steam settings > Storage.

location where games are installed:

If you nuked that folder, then games are gone.

For the future follow this guide from steam (install games in different folder than steam):

[soft bloom]

what is Vostok delta T?

[night girder]

describes the variation of the temperature of the ocean the ice was originally evaporated.

it's isotopic ratios converted to temperature changes.

globalchange.umich.edu/globalchange1/current/labs/Lab10_Vostok/Vostok22Oct19.htm

When ocean water evaporates, water with the lighter oxygen isotope (16O) evaporates more easily because it is lighter than a water molecule with the heavier oxygen isotope (18O). Therefore, water vapor in the atmosphere ends up with a smaller percentage of 18O in it than ocean water. Its d18O is a few permil negative, say around –3‰. When that vapor passes over land and condenses to form rain, the heavier isotopes that did make it into the clouds condense to a greater extent than the lighter isotopes, again due to mass. Precipitation that falls then has a more negative d18O than seawater, but more positive d18O than the clouds from which it fell. This effect is more pronounced in cold climates than in warmer ones, because temperature is what drives the evaporation/condensation processes. Snow has much more negative d18O than rain. Because temperature drives this process, an equation can be derived to relate temperature to d18O (or Hydrogen). Therefore, times of glaciation are associated with more negative d18O in ice samples.

[soft bloom]

I want to take a look how they extracted periodicity.
Maybe i am too sceptical...

[night girder]

it's a base.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vostok_Station

Here you can see depth, age, temperature etc.

[soft bloom]

Another interesting talked about at that conference(?) was that hydrogen escapes a lot around tectonic ridges, which in turn creates problems with ozone layer (chem reaction).
Basically, if we were to exploit hydrogen more, there would have been less problems with that.

And as a side note: turning international treaties into political tool. Reminding me of Trump exiting Paris regulations.

||Ok idk why but I feel brave enough to send link to that vid in DM. Only thing is - vid is in russian, with eng subtitles on YT. And they are broken for discussion part which is largest and most i interesting 🙂
I had a thought "ok what if that theory is used for political lobbying?" But theory is like 30 years old atm, and it didn't get the spread nor any visible impact...||

[soft bloom]

I so want to get my hands on this data and check for lag in correlations

[night girder]

I doubt the raw data is available for public.

[languid gulch]

i do kinda doubt any soviet research considering that they kept the dzhanibekov effect classified because they thought that the earth was going to flip over

and that a fair amount of the "ice age scientists" from the 70s/80s have recently been discovered to have been on oil company payrolls, paid to run misinformation/disinformation campaigns to mislead the public on the damage that burning fossil fuels was doing

some lovely documentation has come out in discovery with lawsuits around the world about that

[charred relic]

don't worry guys fusion energy is just a few decades away

...it's been a few decades away for my entire life so I'm not holding my breathe on that one

[languid gulch]

oh i'm not either. i do wanna see the orbital solar generating stations tho

[wanton orchid]

you mean orbital blast stations ?

[languid gulch]

🤣

[wanton orchid]

getting roasted but literally

new spell unlocked : hundreds sun

[languid gulch]

i've been excited about seeing them ever since they demonstrated safe beamed microwave power from one hawaiian island to another

[wanton orchid]

the safe way would be to have nothing in the way

literally

air is too much things in the way

[languid gulch]

it was a successful test because they were able to transmit the power safely thru a "space to ground" amount of atmosphere without frying anything

[charred relic]

Didn't they make some advancements with molten salt nuclear reactors? I seem to recall hearing somehting about that somewhat recently but I don't really keep up to speed with that stuff these days, too much other shit going on

[languid gulch]

they finally solved the metallurgy problems with putting hot salt thru pipes

[charred relic]

I mean those things can't even have a meltdown if they fail

[languid gulch]

molten salt going thru pipes generally eats the pipes, which makes them not great for transferring heat to water

[charred relic]

Ok yeah I seem to recall the caustidc nature being a problem

I used to live very close to the Savannah River plant, got to tour some parts of it once. My dad was doing some work there.

[stray badger]

sres that dont explode sound good

[tribal kraken]

Workshop office APC 1200w ups batteries died. 3 years old 🤔

New/used one waiting for install by electrician... Will see how long it can run my PC 😄

[soft bloom]

Yeah but it won't flip over. And couldn't.
I didn't hear anything about it being classified...

[soft bloom]

Well, the question is more about if you can replicate results somehow. Obviously foreigners might have trouble doing so over the same territories

So I saw recent vid about some guy going into "the deepest cave", so idk

[soft bloom]

Perhaps you are right about harm, vut there's another side to it: economic.
If he is right then it means we should have near-endless amounts of oil and hydrogen, which should decrease price of energy worldwide, putting wealth of oil companies at risk. It's entirely opposite problem.
Though I don't think that is the reason. At least author is rather chill about it, doesn't claim conspiracy and just says it's because people think in dogma of plate tectonics. (He spoke on that vid a little bit)

Btw, if planet increases temperature, it means it gives off more thermal energy.
So why do we think that current increase will necessarily lead to even more heat not compensated by outward heat flux? Even according to graph by Letterdief, today isn't the hottest Earth has been.
(Though I don't deny negative effects of increase of atmosphere temp for humanity)

[twin dew]

The whole point of greenhouse effect is that the total incoming energy stays the same, but the outgoing energy is reduced, as more is reflected back when trying to escape to space.

[night girder]

It's not the only ice core drilling there has been done. And afaik, the results are pretty much the same when you put data next to eachother. So I don't understand where all this "pay-roll science" arguments come from. I think I've read something about it a long time ago, but didn't pay it attention. All the data I provided so far is from wikipedia, or scientific papers / websites.

Our planet has had multiple ice ages. And recovered from them. It's just another cycle. Just like the seasons. Only one that takes million of years.

All this information is no excuse for humanity thought to speed up the effects and deny cause/effect.

[languid gulch]

it's been hotter, colder, wetter, and drier than it is right now. the difference? humanity can't exist under those conditions

oh i mean even further back stuff

we're basically still new here

which we did survive

i'm talking about even worse conditions

not to mention the fact that we've engineered so much of our food supply that it's just as at-risk as us, if not moreso

krakatoa would barely be a blip

tambora? not so much 🤣

iirc it's like the amazon & sahara swap places

haven't seen it 🤣 but molten salt is like 150C

it's not too bad

supposedly

[twin dew]

Any leak and you would get explosion?

[languid gulch]

www.solarpaces.org/high-temperature-molten-salt-degradation-gets-oxygen-fix/

[twin dew]

Reacts very violenty with water.

[languid gulch]

i mean, any element on that end of the periodic table will do it 🤣

[twin dew]

Yup.

Higher it is, more violently it does it.

For that first column.

[languid gulch]

www.ornl.gov/news/reducing-molten-salts-corrosive-effect

apparently using nickel in the pipes & filling in air gaps in the salt keeps free oxygen from going nuts

oh i haven't dug into how they're planning on grabbing energy out of fusion reactors for a while

last i knew some of them were trying to use basically beefed-up solar panels inside the chamber to grab photons

[night girder]

Agree.

[languid gulch]

based on previous cycles, yes. but with all the carbon dioxide & feedback loops, we've probably put off the future cooling by millenia

[night girder]

Within ice ages, there exist periods of more severe glacial conditions and more temperate conditions, referred to as glacial periods and interglacial periods, respectively The Earth is currently in such an interglacial period of the Quaternary glaciation, with the Last Glacial Period of the Quaternary having ended approximately 11,700 years ago.

Same stuff as I posted yesterday (more or less).

Maybe the whole gist of it is, that we need to intervene less

because whenever we do, it's a snowball/boomerang effect combined.

[soft bloom]

fair.
but can that model explain sudden rise in 2024's temperature anomaly?

there's endogenic heat as well.

[twin dew]

Incoming to atmosphere, that includes coming from inside earth.

[soft bloom]

i know that even Veritasium did vid about how much Earth is heated up by sun
but his answer of "well temperature stayed the same so it means that sun heats up atmosphere as much as heat escapes" completely ignores internal source of heat

[verbal raft]

i can finally say that i have the best GPU at something

[soft bloom]

At being idle, lmao

Did you know you don't have to provide 5W of power if you don't have gpu?

[dire igloo]

23.5W saved, that's gonna have a huge impact on the energy bill

[tribal kraken]

Seem ok as Hwinfo shows 30W for my 4090 when it's idle and screens off.

[verbal raft]

👺

Too true

👺

[pure karma]

well you do because the integrated graphics need power too

[jagged snow]

Unless you have neither

I mean
Just a cpu without integrated graphics

As long as you can ssh into it it's still a fully functional machine for most purposes

[soft bloom]

I think i have found the weirdest cross-correlation plot ever.
like why would you get an increase at the max lag?..
i am so confused...

[tribal kraken]

Power meters you put wall sockets are like 10€

[twin dew]

Meant thing that has male power plug on one side, and female socket on other, and measures the current and power going through itself.
That you plug inline with whatever you want to measure.

Doesn't care.

Just needs to be between wall and device.
Where in the line doesn't matter.

Or bunch of devices, if you attach extension to its output side, to measure multiple things as combined.

I got extension cord connected to the wall, with 6 other extension cords connected to it.

Last 2 outlets in the first one are for my two desktop PCs power cords.

One of the second tier extensions has all the monitors on it.

[soft bloom]

Ubuntu was like: no Granger test for you!

[tribal kraken]

230V systems with 10A or 16A fuse it will be a lot computer hardware for overload 😄 But add freezer, coffee maker, microwave etc normal household electrics and it's easy

[soft bloom]

I spent like 40 minutes with my dinner on the table loosing heat just to get this 😦

[verbal raft]

after the 5090 reveiws : do you guys expect the 5080 to beat (or match) the 4090? (without MFG)

[soft bloom]

not even new tpu cores?

[verbal raft]

much better

[dire igloo]

4090 is a mislabeled Titan, can't change my mind

[tough owl]

I think titan brand is dead

Are we gonna have the Rtx titan

Rtx titan Ada

Rtx titan black

[night girder]

Gotta love javascript/typescript

=> void => void => void => void => void 🤣

I don't have to do this. But if you want to have typechecks and strict linting, this is the way rofl

[soft bloom]

how bad is it to interpolate velocity?
i mean, sounds ok, but it causes my units checker to tingle

ok nvm it looks pretty fantastic

so I were to correctly integrate result I should get pretty much the same value

[edgy hazel]

I use arch btw

[warm jay]

On 24h2 ? That’s actually impressive

How did you do tho ? I’m actually interested

I have some old scanner mouse that I REALLY need to work Xd

Im on 10 rn and I only have drivers for 10, wonder if I can somehow make it work on windows 11

[night girder]

I use javascript 🤓

[tough owl]

no more windows??

[night girder]

Kade where has thou been.

[tough owl]

school+work+homework+gf

and cybersecurty club stuff

[night girder]

aight, you missed nothing.

[tough owl]

some daily beef I assume?

[night girder]

nothing 🤣

[tough owl]

https://tenor.com/view/erm-what-meme-gif-15099278808009342621

reading up in the chat

[night girder]

not worth it

How is school going?

Herg should be done with it almost. (think last week?)

[edgy hazel]

I'm done woth my apprenticeship

Am an IT System Engineer now

[tough owl]

rough

Need to get my A+ here so I can get a better job

I bought a ring, not a lot of money left to spend on my cert

[night girder]

and are your grades near a A?

[pure karma]

boring as all heck

[tough owl]

close enough

[night girder]

Not 100% familiar with your system and points. I know it's letters. and then + and -? A+, A and A- ... then to B etc ?

[tough owl]

my school doesnt do A+ A and A-

just A

[night girder]

We had to aim for 70% to get bachelor.

And could only fail 2 classes a year.

Pretty lenient.

[pure karma]

my school is 55% but no fails or you have to do a extra year

[tough owl]

100%

i got two more years left here