off-topic-tech

[mental oriole]

I have until the 7th

Now I'm offended.

I can't.

It's already split.

No pls.

I have corsair ram... but it's not RBG for that fucking reason.

Why have RGB for something you CANT EVEN SEE

woooah

Go shove that RBG somewhere else . I aint having it 🤣

Why care about my keyboard?
And it's not even new 🤣

It's like 5 years by this point.

woow you do?

Rip

When my v1 keyboard breaks I'm getting the v2. That one even has replaceable switches.

I don't even have a numpad

Being good at the keyboard game

It's what most are used to. I use a full keyboard at work because I have to 😦

I use the numpad there

I have a dac for that

All sliders maxed except dac

Then I tweak in game to get balanced audio

No

I live alone 🤣

Please no

I have ptsd from my neighbours stairwell cat.

I cannot hear a cat mew

I go insane.

Still no

I don't have space.

😄

Good it's not my code 😄

All you need is that swedish yes sound

it's blå, but ye.

bla means... like "blah" 😄

Asshat started blasting his base...

I rather not know...

wtf

I know how to use windows 🤣

via system updates

It's not that complicated actually

It's just pain if they break because then you only have a terminal 😄

That was how long ago?

A lot has happen since then.

[willow pike]

yeah I used to root every android phone all the way back to the HTC dream. now I have a pixel and can't be fucked

pixel is clean enough for me

also gets the latest updates for the longest without samsung bullshit

[twin dew]

Like I said several times already, check the various HMD Android phones?
(link includes non-smartphones too):
https://www.gsmarena.com/hmd-phones-133.php

[willow pike]

they're pretty much the only brand that doesn't kill your apps from working in the background

other than Nokia/hmd

plus the a series of pixels are always real affordable

dontkillmyapp.com everyone else is shite

ah nevermind HMD also kill apps

[twin dew]

Ok?

2 years of new major android versions, 3 years of security updates.

[willow pike]

pretty bad

even samsung does better

pixel is 7 years

[twin dew]

They have shaped up?
Getting even one major update on Samsung was pretty rare.

[willow pike]

yeah they do 5 I think

[twin dew]

And AFAIK those are minimums they guarantee. Not maximums you will actually get (unless the company dies).

[willow pike]

In 2021, Samsung announced that all new phones made after 2019 would see at least three major updates and four years of security releases. That's why your old Galaxy S10 is no longer getting updates. Then, in 2023, the company extended that pledge to five years for most phones, including foldables.

[twin dew]

Ok, so big turnaround if that actually happens.

[willow pike]

it is, and it is

[twin dew]

Used to be that they would MAYBE get one or two OS updates, 1-2 years after the original release by Google.

[willow pike]

they still crap all over it with their own junk but it's at least not insecure

[twin dew]

And the monthly security updates would drag 3-12 months behind Google releases.

Clumped into 3 or 6 month intervals.

[willow pike]

i would still refuse to get a samsung because their shit is intolerable to use

what's this

the only thing I know about that is it makes rooting them a bitch

same goes for pixels I think

[twin dew]

Secure Enclave.

[willow pike]

yeah every android phone has full encryption these days, it's a requirement for certification

[wanton orchid]

it also almost brick your phone when you simply force delete bloat wares (unlike other brand phones for some reasons), like the permanent voice listening feature

[twin dew]

Sorry Trusted Execution Environment in generic name?

[willow pike]

you're pretty much not getting your phone broken into unless you're a terrorist and the FBI wants in, then nothing will save you

[wanton orchid]

btw look closely the samsung phones calculator app updates

the "cheat code bypass in calculator app" is still used these days

(it have Administrator right access on a lot of Samsung phones btw)

[willow pike]

enough shark to sleep on

[quartz breach]

if anyone knows a pro discord bot scripter, Dm me please

[stray badger]

goodbye free art guy

[short hull]

oh😅

haha

[short hull]

would you?

[stray badger]

oh he didnt leave

[short hull]

no no

[stray badger]

damn

[short hull]

i just deleted the question

[rustic panther]

In general, the answer to "can people who know their shit spend time on me for free" is no btw :V

[short hull]

k

but i think asking is no crime

[night girder]

Were you asking for something illegal? 😉

[short hull]

no just if someone would design me a logo for dc🙂

[night girder]

Ooh 😄

[stray badger]

here you go! I spent a long time on this so I hope you like it!

[night girder]

Does it have to be a balls logo?

[stray badger]

it was unspecified

[night girder]

too late

[stray badger]

so i thought this would be funny

[rustic panther]

It's definitely not, but it is kind of bad manners

[night girder]

For some reason, it went anime. oh, I see why.

Here some logos 😄

[short hull]

uhh

[stray badger]

hand in the top right is crazy damn

[short hull]

ya all good i have never asked😒

[stray badger]

oh they can spell now!

[night girder]

omg.

No they can't.

Bals bals and then balls?

[stray badger]

alright never mind

[night girder]

Back to square one 🤣

Why is furry a art style?

First I was reading furry oil... I was like what the hell is that.

👿

Important: If, for example, you don't want the image to have blue in it, just write "blue" in this box. Don't write "no blue"! In other words, you should write a description of a hypothetical "opposite image" of what you want.

wonder what happens.

[rustic panther]

American defense and a curious amount of furries, name a better combo

[night girder]

Also, why the hell is anime art style = anime girls.

This "AI" has been trained very well I see.

[night girder]

Look, I ask for balls logo, without anime, in anime style, and I just get girls with the subject I asked for.

If this is what ML thinks anime is, we got a big problem.

Or it's way smarter than I though

and realized that it's the essence of anime.

[rustic panther]

I mean if you have anime art good chance there's a girl in it

So, y'know, from a statistical perspective I get it

[night girder]

Ah, I don't want to download a AI.

How big is the dataset?

Kade also had some AI stuff running locally, was insane big dataset.

damn, this free website is bad. I mean, it gives me the wrong thing.

I am good 👍

[rustic panther]

I'll be fine

[night girder]

Oh it's made by a company from New Zealand. TensorStack.

It seem to have some interesting features.

Sure sure.

[pure karma]

pov. most stable ethernet conection in canada

[mental oriole]

Try it

[short hull]

Welcome in my club👋🏻

[winged valley]

Now change the prompt just to balls and run it with the furry artstyle. For science

[night girder]

🤣 Yeah, not going to post that here ....

[winged valley]

Did it produce what I expected it to

lmao

[night girder]

I am not sure, but it was NSFW 🤣

[mental oriole]

[winged valley]

lol

[night girder]

Everything for science!

[edgy hazel]

mhm

visiting e6 for science

[safe trench]

live footage of my ssd:

[dire igloo]

e6?

[edgy hazel]

Not here

[cyan crescent]

Are there any all AMD laptops out there? All i seem to find are intel/nvidia

[stray badger]

Some

Very few, i think Asus and Alienware make some

HP did as well

AMD doesnt make a lot of mobile GPU silicon, they prioritize datacenter

[cyan crescent]

I bought an asus zephyrus g14 a few years ago rhat was all amd but it borked itself and i canr find another like it

[gilded helm]

All AMD laptops are rare. It's hard to say whether it's a lack of effort on AMD's part or OEMs being lazy, or both.

[rustic panther]

Lenovo has a couple

[tough owl]

Both is my guess

[pure karma]

My ipads screen protector has developed melting syndrome

Really anoying because it makes the display not work

[wanton orchid]

what is surprising imo is the very low amount of AMD CPU laptops

dgpu I can get it

[sharp oasis]

Rip fuel injectors

Has to rush off to make an appointment due to my mother's car breaking down and she needed to get to her appointment so didn't have time to fuel before leaving.

Lucked out.

[languid gulch]

my mom's odyssey did that to us, one injector just felt like crapping out. we had no idea what was wrong, it felt like the transmission had died

5 people in the van & we were all like "didn't know an automatic could feel like a manual"

[soft bloom]

I somehow made PyCharm spit text to the right
when i type, cursor stays in the same place, pushing every next character and whatever sits right to it further tight
it's kinda like typing backwards
so the usual "hello world|" would look like "|dlrow olleh" with cursor standing on the left
idk how, idk why it exists, but idk how to turn it off 🙂

sometimes it's just laggy

sometimes its hell annoying with forced scrolling in Jupyter

and sometimes some shortcuts hits and...

[tribal kraken]

I did look some but it was so much easier to find good deal on Intel CPU laptop, just because more to choose from with my needed specs

[wanton orchid]

simply triggers left cursor move on input

or simply input right of cursor instead of left of cursor
everything else is standard behavior

[tribal kraken]

Danish hardware retailer Proshop had Corsair HX1200i PSUs on sale for 179€.. sold out in immediately 😂

[wanton orchid]

this reminds me of AX#00i PSUs issues

"server grade psu"

fuck you corsair fuck you

I dont know about HX

[tribal kraken]

I've had HX1200i now for 6 years in 24/7 use.

Just bought the 12vhpwr for 4090 to ged rid of adapter

[wanton orchid]

Ì'm only recommending seasonics now

random is not for production grade tools

[soft bloom]

sometimes I see cursor following new char and then jumping back
somehow only works in just 1 file...
super weird

ok so I copied it and renamed back
lmao

[glossy glacier]

Look for "AMD Advantage" laptops

Or get a 16" framework

[visual tree]

https://youtube.com/shorts/gia4i4FXosQ?si=B8Hkvi_ESxpkdbgg

"You are being promoted to a role in the company you have to find"

[night girder]

www.reuters.com/legal/apple-pay-95-million-settle-siri-privacy-lawsuit-2025-01-02/

Apple agreed to pay $95 million in cash to settle a proposed class action lawsuit claiming that its voice-activated Siri assistant violated users' privacy.
...
...
...
Apple denied wrongdoing in agreeing to settle.

We did nothing wrong. But we will pay 95 million in cash to settle this case. BUT we are innocent! But will pay.

The $95 million is about** nine hours of profit** for Apple, whose net income was $93.74 billion in its latest fiscal year.

Ok, so it's just pocket change for Apple.

[visual tree]

They also cancelled production of Apple Vision Pro. Not surprised considering the price range of 3.500- 4.600 dollars

[visual tree]

Some article few months ago mentioned a sale of 370.000 units while they planned to sell 8 million lol

[soft bloom]

not surprised considering that it's just a toy

[visual tree]

So much for the theory that Apple could charge you any price they want and people will still buy their products because of "social status" lol

[languid gulch]

i bet it was more for the patents they could get during development, claim it's an active product, and sledgehammer anyone who dares try to come close to it

[visual tree]

*and that comes from a person who owns an iPhone (sister gave me an old one because my phone broke) and wants to go back to Android

[languid gulch]

i don't think i've touched an apple product in 20 years

[visual tree]

I've had iPhone 12 for around 3 months and already want to go back to Android asap (I will when I earn some money later 😅 )

I hate their gestures and they drive me insane

[languid gulch]

i think the last apple product in my family was my sister's iphone........4? maybe?

[night girder]

New PS5 controller

The pink helps me spot dirt.

Want to play Elden Ring, but my current controller is USB connection is wonky. So if I move the controller too much, cable get's lose and disconnects.

[visual tree]

Hope it's just a pink version and not a standard version for everyone lol. I don't really like pink 😅

[night girder]

It's a official PS5 controller, but you have different color options.

[visual tree]

At least something lol

[night girder]

That one is special edition and cost 150 😒

[languid gulch]

ouchie

[night girder]

The prices are a bit weird though atm.

[languid gulch]

think i'll stick to my bone stock $60 xbox wireless 🤣

[night girder]

The ps4 controller is 59 euro. And PS5 controller 68.02 euro. So for 9 euro's more you get latest gen. Instead of a 12 year old controller.

XBOX prices are in the same range.

[visual tree]

Wish my parents didn't make a mistake 35 years ago when they installed one-pipe system for radiators....

I am thinking of a way to convert it to a two-pipe system without major works so the radiator system is compatible with heat pump (left side is one-pipe system while the right side is two-pipe system)

[mental oriole]

Are you going swimming?

[mental oriole]

Pay extra for a colored logo?

[night girder]

nah throwback to PS1 era you pay extra for

[mental oriole]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[night girder]

Ok, I just am very impressed. I booted up Elden Ring. It gave me "Data Usage Agreement".

I clicked decline, and the game started up. Most games when I click decline just shut down and tell me I can't play it 🤣

"Agree or GTFO" type of attitude.

[mental oriole]

Me when I disable... I'm not sending you my data to improve the game

[night girder]

Well, I had my reasons.

[visual tree]

Imagine if Stalker 2 had a pop-up window where if you click yes and buy the game game, you accept the risk of being added to the list of russian foreign enemies

Fake image but still

[soft bloom]

i think chatgpt got infected by flatearthers

Centrifugal Force: The rotation of the Earth and the Moon creates a centrifugal force that pushes water outward on the far side of the Earth.
I mean... wtf is "far side of the Earth"?

[glossy glacier]

"far side" as in "opposite of the side the moon is on"

[soft bloom]

but the centrifugal force is uniform across the same latitude

[glossy glacier]

yes

but its not the only force

[soft bloom]

ofcourse not the only

[soft bloom]

but like, why state it like that
isn't it kinda like saying that electricity is what cools down the CPU chip?

sometimes i feel like people write explanations (which are then reused without second thought) for the sake of giving answer, and not revealing complete picture

[glossy glacier]

on the side nearest to the moon gravity & centrifugal force add up, creating high tide, on the far side the centrifugal force alone creates a (lower) high tide. the sides have less water causeing low tide

[verbal raft]

interesting results i think

from the Stalker 2 oficial discord

and then..........

(1st: UE4 DX12 2nd:UE5 DX12 3rd both DX11)

[mental oriole]

What about 3d models?
Not only textures are in VRAM.

The most intelligent is to unload shit that isnt used. And if that's not enough or possible then start to downscale stuff (which is probably harder than you think)
Because first you would have to load the texture, then you would have to downscale it properly (say yay if it's not a power of 2),if you're using mipmaps. Then you should just be able to select the downscaled version automatically.

And you shouldnt downgrade random stuff, you should downgrade the thing that is the biggest resource hog relative to how often it's used.
Which could be calculated by having access timers to calculate that stuff.
And you should ofc tie this to how far stuff is as well, similar to LOD models, you should do the same with textures. No reason to load a 4k texture for a mountain 24km away. (extreme example but gets the point across)

[gilded helm]

www.notebookcheck.net/Nitecore-launches-rechargeable-AA-batteries-with-1-5-volts-3-6-Wh-and-USB-C-connectivity.939621.0.html

Haven't these types of products normally gone with 1.2 volts, because expendable batteries only peak at 1.5 volts, and peak voltage goes down as the battery drains?

How many devices actually rely on the full 1.5 volts? That might explain things that eat batteries really quickly, then you put them in another device and they work fine.

[edgy hazel]

bad post processing is one of the worst offenders tbh

[mental oriole]

That's a contributing factor.

Shitty post processing performance

[night girder]

Oh shit, Honey (PayPal) is getting sued 😄

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H4sScCB1cY

Been following the LegalEagle for a year now. Solid guy. Very informative if you like to learn more about US, it's states and the laws.

Also, somebody made a doom captcha: doom-captcha.vercel.app

[pure karma]

they have tons of other earn free money apps honey is just one of a dozen

one i can think of off the top of my head is testerup cause i get ads for it literally everyday

[wanton orchid]

iirc UE5 run like garbage BEFORE VRAM runs out

(like way before)

because UE5 is smarter than GPU driver (nope)

at least that's what baldur studied and reported here

and it match my experience with UE5 games on big graphic cards

[verbal raft]

ah yeah.... you are right😂

[wanton orchid]

it will keep reloading textures even though half of my 11GB VRAM are actually used at all

I remember paypal giving me conversion rates and doing marketing about it being competitive
simply for them to trigger bank fees, because it's the foreign paypal entity which directly performed the transaction on my bank instead

truly genius

[night girder]

I think it has partial to do with the recent buzz around it.

And Paypal isn't a small company. I would assume they have a legal team.

So it's not that easy to take any legal actions against them as a small costumer or user.

[verbal raft]

i hope they (legal eagle and XYZ) win

not paypal

F*CK PAYPAL

I mean if paypal loses

that'd GREAT

but if they win

better not think about that

[languid gulch]

you just know if they lose, they'll drag it all the way to the top to get the ruling they want

or get one of those "settle for a pittance, don't have to admit wrongdoing" rulings

[verbal raft]

LOL

[gilded helm]

@karmic grotto

<@&387163995947270144>

Sorry to random dude for Discord changing the order of tag options at the last second.

[pure karma]

Thats a good one

[verbal raft]

Ooooohhhh ONE frame of 30fps looks the same as ONE frame of 60fps

Why didn't I think of that

[soft bloom]

Unfair.

1. these frames are sifferent
2. the 30fps one should render at 2x resolution

[twin dew]

By default UE4 and UE5 have limits of:
81% of VRAM used by game.
56.7% of VRAM used by game for textures.
And UE5.3 might have new limit of 90% of VRAM used by system in total...
Just stupid...

Where first is in base code.
Second is configurable in UE4 but doesn't seem to be in UE5.

[jagged snow]

Is there even a good reason for that?

The os exists specifically to handle that sort of thing

[jagged snow]

I know there's not a good reason

I mean is there a reason at all

[twin dew]

Not really.
Trying to avoid letting GPU driver use RAM as VRAM extension with lost performance?

[jagged snow]

Where the game ends up cutting performance just as drastically anyways

Without using all available resources

[twin dew]

On DX11, on both UE4 and UE5 the engine automatically downgrades textures to stay in the limit.
On DX12, on UE4, the engine just crashes once limit is hit IIRC.
On DX12, on UE5, it starts to do that weird bad manual replacement for GPU driver functionality, tanking FPS much worse than letting GPU driver do it.

Because with IGP, the engine is coded not to care.
Just with dGPUs it only cares about dedicated VRAM and has those limiters.

And that first limiter at least has been in UE4 code since the first public commit.

But GPU driver managed Shared VRAM was already thing even then...

[soft bloom]

So, ethiopia has some "fun" with quakes this year

[night girder]

And thats why not all engines are unreal engines 😂 was just playing voxel game from Germany. They made their own costume engine. Really impressive stuff. Now I know why.

[soft bloom]

costume? what kind of costumes their game has?

[night girder]

A lot.

[mental oriole]

My engine can technically handle multi window now 🙂

[languid gulch]

anyone have suggestions for a white or wood look ATX case?

something that could look decent as something that'd go in a formal living room?

[verbal raft]

fitting name:)

[twin dew]

https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/north/north/chalk-white/ ?

[languid gulch]

yea looking at that now. noticed that Antec doesn't make the C8 in white with wood

[twin dew]

And depending on if needs to be performance PC, or just "office" PC, then there are lot more options.

[languid gulch]

oh nah, likely it'll be a pc for streaming & basic stuff

[twin dew]

Because then Mini-ITX would be much better choise probably.

Or even NUC type things.

[languid gulch]

it'll probably be some of my current & old guts, so ATX

[twin dew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aor-3v6N7i8

Separate later review for the XL variant.

Also GN gave those two the "Best Overall Case of 2024"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RytD3xII-0

[mental oriole]

The North has mesh or tempered-glass panel... what does mesh mean in this case?
I'm never getting a glass panel. And mesh sounds like it's partial see through which I'm also noping against.

[twin dew]

Yeah, still partial see through, like showing even in that white case side showing the case back inside in that thumbnail.
Same reason it isn't for me.

Starting to get almost impossible to get a case without window or side mesh.

[visual tree]

I will never understand how amazon delivery dates works. Apparently, delivery date to Croatia is 21st January while delivery date to a forwarding company in Germany is from 24th March - 16th July

That makes no sense since it's Amazon.de and delivery is fastest to Germany in almost 99% of cases

And it was that way for years until today for some reason 🤔

[twin dew]

Try same to some random german address instead of that reshipping one?

[visual tree]

Typed in postcode for Berlin and got almost identical result (with a small difference of few days)

What's funny is that I have been checking prices and delivery dates for some time and this has never happened

Weird, I also get a €100 discount and I seriously have no idea where it came from lol (after going to the shopping cart and inserting payment information)

[dire igloo]

Alternatively to the North: Magniumgear Neo Air 2

Magniumgear is a Phanteks subbrand in case you didn't know the name (not that any of that matters)

[dire igloo]

Didn't Intel mention some CPU requirements for running Arc?
Like Zen 3 or newer and LGA1200 or newer, smth like that

[twin dew]

Needs to have ReBAR support or the performance will be absolutely horrible.

[glossy glacier]

Kinda? You need re-bar. Otherwise no

[twin dew]

Drivers have been written expecting ReBAR and not optimized for the max transfer window usable without that.

[verbal raft]

only requirement is RE-BAR

👀

[soft bloom]

sometimes, when Plotly outputs 1.8GB HTML files for interactive plots, i get scared

it's the time when getting data and processing and applyting certain analysis tool was easy
but displaying it... yep, I will need some luck

[willow pike]

yeah arc drivers cannot handle not having rebar

[willow pike]

B580 is a 4070 in terms of transistors, compute hardware, yields, die size and power consumption; that it only performs like a 4060 and can't even beat it consistently is a huge indictment of their architecture. they are forced to sell it at cost

it may be a good buy for end users but given pat just got ejected, there's a very real chance they'll cease driver development, and newer games won't run right on it

and longer term, we are not going to see a C580

i cannot recommend this to anyone no matter the value proposition

[verbal raft]

yeah....maybe it shouldnt be surprising it perfroms better than a 7600/4060 when its the size of a 4070

[willow pike]

I don't wanna be the cause of someone's computer problems

[verbal raft]

yeah i dont trust intels GPU team

[willow pike]

my 7900XTX had rough drivers at launch (VR broken, high idle power) but they fixed it

you know nvidia will fix anything

can you guarantee intel will still even manufacture these a year from now

[verbal raft]

and wouldnt buy the B580 just bc of the off chance i get CPU limited

[willow pike]

I haven't seen this video yet but I take it it's got high CPU demands

oh wow yeah lmao

just looking at that screenshot closer

that's hideous

[verbal raft]

yeah the B580 MURDERS the 2600

[willow pike]

even the 5700X3D

[verbal raft]

even the 7600

[willow pike]

and nvidia drivers are known to be more cpu heavy than amd

[verbal raft]

like you need a 9800X3D to make the B580 faster than the 4060

[willow pike]

what is intel doing

at this price, the kinds of CPU it would be paired with are not enough

[verbal raft]

and who the ***" buys a B580 W an 9800X3D?????

[willow pike]

okay no fuck this shit intel dead to me

[dire igloo]

A770 driver updates made me most confident in Intel's driver handling over all other GPU makers

[twin dew]

Point is that the new leadership might kill the thing any moment as it isn't generating large profits already.

[dire igloo]

yeah, that's the biggest issue I'm seeing

[twin dew]

And each sold unit has very small return.

[dire igloo]

not the GPU team itself but its position in the company

[twin dew]

Because of needing to use TSMC etc.

[willow pike]

they had the most ground to make up and clearly are still at a deficit

[twin dew]

Large part on why Pat got kicked was that all the investing led to smaller profit margin...
Because the financial people just cannot understand that sometimes you need to actually use money multiple years in advance before you start getting any returns for those investments...

[willow pike]

bUt My QuArTeRlY

[glossy glacier]

either take a smaller one now or non in 5 years
they chose the money now

[twin dew]

Note to self: Don't accidentally kick your computer, it hurts.

[willow pike]

https://youtu.be/lm51xZHZI6g

[night girder]

James said the same 4 years ago 😦

[wanton orchid]

Baldur, I dont remember, for errors to report to OS, should MCA threshold mode be enabled or disabled ?

[verbal willow]

Not necessarily tech specifically. But I was wondering if anyone has a dual monitor arm they use on an IKEA linnmon(or another cheap honeycomb style desk). Due to recently moving I can keep my l shaped desk in the same orientation I had before. Due to this I feel too far away from my monitor now. I know these desks aren't the best quality lol. But was wondering if anyone had an arm setup for this type of desk that has worked for them? It would be for a 27inch curved and a 21 inch monitor

[stray badger]

i bought a somewhat cheap one from amazon to do that

just look for one that has a stand rather than a clamp

[verbal willow]

True. A stand one would have a wider base to spread the weight load out more. I'll have to look into those ones. My other concern is that it's a 59" with no middle leg. But the monitors are probably only 15 lbs or less on their own so should be fine haha

Thank you though!

[stray badger]

thats longer than mine, but my ikea desk is fine with my stand

[wanton orchid]

@twin dew x570d4u-2l2t still

[verbal willow]

I have another shorter one, that isn't as deep either, but the orientation for me to use that as the main desk does work in the room. I'll do some looking and see what I can find. It's not a ton of weight so I wouldn't expect it to cause any major issues having the weight centered

[edgy hazel]

yeah and he referenced that in the video 😦

just shows how much you learn if you actually watch the stuff before commenting on it 😦

[night girder]

I watched the video, still doesn't explain why he didn't really quit.

But can't wait for the next video in a few years how they leave adobe behind. Good stuff.

[languid gulch]

leaning towards the fractal north. have to sneak over for a double check, but i'm thinking having the mesh side panel with no RGB will be the best look for the space. having a Peerless Assassin 120SE & a red devil GPU in a black case would look seriously out of place in a mostly white formal living room

if the lancool 217 was out i might go for that in white

[night girder]

that looks good.

first time seeing a 217

[languid gulch]

it's been delayed for like 9 months

[pure karma]

i think dlss is going trough a midlife crysis bro what in the heck is even that

[night girder]

nah, that's just cyberpunk 🤣

[mental oriole]

Looks normal to me

[stray badger]

north is good. quite a fan. very easy to build in

[verbal raft]

The AI part turned off

[willow pike]

alibaba intelligence

[tribal kraken]

I think I need 1 extra case too. Maybe it's easier to sell 4090 with a waterblock inside a full PC

Need at least 165mm CPU cooler height to fit it horizontal without riser

[dire igloo]

I'd go for a basic AIO rather than an air cooler - Aqua Elite V3 or Frozen Elite are cheap and should sell well cuz RGB.
ID-Cooling FX360 for blackout stealth
And for air cooler: phantom spirit 120 Evo, Frozn A620 Pro SE or a basic Freezer 36 (CO version for DBB fans with insane durability)

[tribal kraken]

I'm referring to CPU cooler height because that will tell me if the GPU waterblock will fit without riser and vertical mount

[dire igloo]

Ahhhhh, I get it now

A3-mATX?

I'd take something inoffensive but good
RGB has resale value

[visual tree]

https://youtube.com/shorts/SSBR3p0UDOg?si=QJf4mhYoo26GrRT1

"I'm sorry boss but I can't come to work today, the doors won't let me!"

I think I have that identical proximity sensor with elegoo uno kit I bought

[dire igloo]

Reminds me of the dude that put increasingly more restrictions on his wife's PC power button

[visual tree]

Including breadboard and wires

Bought this set few years ago, should be enough to make that invention from the video

👀 Thought it was basically a rebranded arduino

At least it works, coolest thing I did was building a radar using proximity sensor

I think I used this video as tutorial https://youtu.be/rjl3HaRqhKQ?si=n1jGojX-AnlN8Yfo

[twin dew]

When enabled, only every X of same error would be reported, if I have understood that one properly.

The main one is "Platform First Error Handling" needs to be Disabled.

And I personally set that thresholding to disabled too.

[twin dew]

Basically AMDs response to people with OCd Infinity Fabric on AM4 complaining about error spam in Event Viewer when their IF is unstable from the OC.
Cutting it down to 10% or less when enabled on defaults.

When unstable enough to get ECC errors but not getting uncorrectable errors.

[gilded helm]

There's been no demonstrations of Zen 5 with CAMM2 or any of the other newfangled memory form factors? Has there?

[languid gulch]

any reports of the 9800X3D having any issues, now that it's been out for a bit?

[twin dew]

No, just the wrong install one burning socket and CPU.

[twin dew]

Where the plastic of the socket was damaged from closing the ILM when CPU wasn't in right position.

[languid gulch]

yea saw that on GN

talk about ouchie. fried board & cpu

[twin dew]

Don't try to install CPU with MB in case and case upright...

[languid gulch]

🤣

the only really "oopsie" i've had when building a system is forgetting to plug in CPU power, and the board let me know immediately

[twin dew]

Seems that is somewhat common issue with people, not wanting to scratch case side.
And for some reason not installing CPU and cooler before putting MB into case.

[languid gulch]

cuz it's not like the cpu & mobo are worth more than the case, ya know

also, towels exist

[twin dew]

Last time I just put the MB box under the case.

When installing the MB into it, with CPU, cooler and RAM installed.

[languid gulch]

i don't think i could ever install a CPU vertically

i don't even install the cooler vertical

i think the jankest thing i've done is leaving a sata ssd loose in a case

[languid gulch]

although doing a cpu swap in a hilariously locked-down dell tower is a close 2nd

[tribal kraken]

Mine has been working well. Not a single crash still

Been gaming and some SolidWorks, it feels snappy as 13900K did. No complaints.

[soft bloom]

i hope we won't hear news that he had some problem digesting gold
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b81q8-hscTc

[verbal raft]

was that FG?

[languid gulch]

does it get bogged down for stuff that likes a lot of cores?

[soft bloom]

People here who understand wavelet analysis?

I struggle to understand if i simply did it wrong or there's something interesting with the signal

[languid gulch]

and RTX5000 drops tomorrow

[soft bloom]

I figured that cones are merely from high amplitudes

[languid gulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE-arusFAtM

[soft bloom]

There doesn't seem to be much visible periodicity

But what bugs me: those leaning lines with high magnitude

The heck are they?

[pure karma]

Probably cause the framerate is above 60

Just dlss i normally get like 40

But thats still impresively bad considering you cant even notice it in gameplay

[pure karma]

the vram choke on cyberpunk is so real tho

[tough owl]

You do realize it’ll use more if it has more to use

That’s why windows will idle at like 8gb ram if you have 32gb to use

[twin dew]

Well coded games will leave old currently unneeded stuff in VRAM in case it is needed again too.
"Bloating" VRAM usage while the game is running.

Again, if you have extra VRAM, not using it as cache would be wasteful and hurt performance.

If the player returns to previous location and the stuff is needed again, you didn't need to do anything.
If player went onwards and you now need something new, you kick the things that were last used longest time ago and replace with new.

[twin dew]

*Whee* This Asus Pro A620-C-CSM motherboard had completely different UEFI base than their consumer MBs, close to base AMI APTIO, which is mostly used as UEFI for server MBs.

[twin dew]

As downside, RAM has Micron chips, but as it will be running on all auto settings, at the 5200MT/s it is specced and SPDd for, that doesn't really matter.

[twin dew]

But as I have no idea of the differences in DDR5 16Gb x16 chips, cannot even know if Hynix would have been better or not.

In 16 and 24Gb x8 chips, Hynix is king.

[narrow folio]

AMI UEFI? so ECC is working in a good way with reporting?

[twin dew]

No ECC RAM, as the CPU doesn't support.
AMD with 8000-series APUs is still burning ECC support out from the "consumer" ones and only the Pro ones have it.
And you cannot buy those in retail.

Same as on AM4.

Consumer chiplet ones have unofficial ECC support.
Pro chiplet ones have official ECC support.
Consumer APUs have it burned out.
Pro APUs have official ECC support.

[narrow folio]

Well, there always is a catch with the entry level hardware 'supporting' ECC

[twin dew]

And that 8500G costs 161e and 214e for 7600.
And RAM would have been more expensive.

Wasn't worth it for the intended use case of that computer.
Going to non-profit as office computer.

That more expensive Pro MB was because of better port ESD protections and waterproof coatings on the PCB etc.

120e for that specific MB instead of about 100e for consumer model.

[narrow folio]

Seems like a good 20 spent

[twin dew]

Could even take their DASH kit for full remote management.

[narrow folio]

I recently stumbled over a seemingly nice NUC style box
GMKtec NucBox M5 Plus with an 5825U / 32GB / 1TB for 320€

3x4k outputs, one with 120Hz
something like that should work well for office use

support could be 'interesting'...

[twin dew]

Yeah, in this case large part of getting normal computer was to get it be repairable and upgradeable in long run.

Previous ones were gifted old Dell towers where you couldn't even replace a fan with standard one.

[narrow folio]

a tower from Hell

[twin dew]

Nice while they worked.
But when the fans started to fail from age...

And not officially Windows 11 compatible.
And this specific one cannot go out of service because Windows Update made it not work.

Another reason why it is AM5 and not AM4, which would have been cheaper.
For longer lifespan hopefully, with easier access to spare parts if needed in long run.

[narrow folio]

AM5 should last a while 👍

I'm not sure, but I think Dell fans use the same 4 pin molex connection but with a different pin out

[twin dew]

Depends on exact one.
Even inside "same" model.
The older two use standard ones.
The newer two use the old internal analog CD audio connector...

All are 2nd gen Core.

[narrow folio]

Sandy Bridge? stuff is old😉

[twin dew]

Yes, but was still good enough after HDD to SSD replacement.

[narrow folio]

my old 3770 still runs fine for some games with the 5700XT I got as a gift (only one output works)

I'm not sure if it's worth the hassle getting it to run games with proton when the Win10 support ends... maybe if SteamOS will support it

[twin dew]

Until MS killed those with Win11 requirements and Win10 support ending in next fall.

Only two were in use, so could have supported them for longer by cannibalizing even with those nonstandard parts.

[soft bloom]

I just now realized that the big red eye-camera of Borderlands pre sequel: claptrastic voyage is reference to space Odyssey 2001

[narrow folio]

I don't want to know how many people/companies will just ignore this or aren't even aware of the fact until MS throws up a screen with a 'support is over, buy support to prolong the inevitable or better grab new hardware' message

[twin dew]

They have been spamming that on all Win10 computers since start of fall.

And lot of people have missed the part about support ending in fall of 2025

[narrow folio]

Interesting, I can't remember any notifications about this on my machine

[twin dew]

Got lot of near family computers to update to Win11 in spring and summer.

[narrow folio]

only if I go to the update page in settings it mentions something about Win11, but who's looking there as a regular user?

[twin dew]

I haven't seen what the exact pop out is, but there is some kind of quarter(?) screen popup about that that has been happening since fall.

And not just once per computer either.

[narrow folio]

maybe because I don't turn it on as often anymore since I got my new PC

[twin dew]

At least for computers that don't fill Win11 requirements.

[narrow folio]

time to find out if I can use my win 7 ultimate OEM key that I got for this machine to activate 11 on a newer hardware

I think not, seems like it only works if the licence has already been used to upgrade to 10 on the same hardware and it's new enough for 11

[twin dew]

Install Win10 with that key on the new computer?
Then upgrade to Win11.
Then reinstall Win11?

But mainly it is that OEM type keys have limited activation numbers.
You would need to phone MS support and say that your old MB failed.

For them to release the key for another activation.

Retail keys are much more free to transfer between computers.
OEM keys you can buy as consumer are limited to single computer, and aren't officially transferable.

So:
Retail OEM keys are just for one specific computer.
Retail Retail keys are for one computer at a time, with X activations per timeframe without contacting support.
And the actual OEM keys used by large OEMs are again different and non-unique to the computer.

Those Retail-OEM keys IIRC at least used to have TOS which said you aren't allowed to use in computer you own, only on computer you build for sale to someone else.

[narrow folio]

Thanks! I'll first have to get some new hardware and then I'll just give it a try. I can always grab a licence later

[mental oriole]

Why do you have to be a genious to be able to use blender geometry nodes?

[grave zealot]

idk if this is the right channel but I'd like to know which AMD AM4 processor would be good enough to play the satisfactory well, at the moment I have a 5600x and I feel like I'm doing 90 fps and then out of nowhere it goes to 15, apart from the game literally eating up 70% of the pc's processing... if anyone has any ideas on what might be a good choice apart from the 5700x3d I'd appreciate it. 🫶 rest of the specs: 32gb ram, 3060ti 8gb

[low scaffold]

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[twin dew]

#1038092680493801533

[grave zealot]

thank u

[sterile plinth]

i added this to my router config to setup port forwarding for my minecraft server, but it doesnt really work

any ideas why?

[twin dew]

Because that target IP is completely wrong?

127.x.x.x just means "This device" (localhost)

You are forwarding the ports on the router, to the router itself.

[sterile plinth]

I dont have a static IP, what am i supposed to put in there if it changes every time

[twin dew]

The servers IP inside the LAN?

[narrow folio]

the IP from your PC

[sterile plinth]

doesnt that also change

with a router restart

i need something that doesnt change

[twin dew]

If it isn't getting static one, you need to set the routers DHCP give it always same IP based on MAC address.

[narrow folio]

give your PC a static IP

[twin dew]

Most routers in last 10 years are already giving static IPs based on hash of the MAC address anyways.

Otherwise they will be sequential from start of the range.

[sterile plinth]

still doesnt seem to work, i will try a restart

[twin dew]

Did you save the edited forwarding rule?

[sterile plinth]

yeah, of course

see yall in 5 mins these restarts take a hell of a long time

[twin dew]

Might need separate allow rule in routers firewall.

[narrow folio]

you may have to reset the DHCP lease on your PC for the satic IP to take effect

[twin dew]

It is getting one based on MAC already, if there isn't collision for that .120 it is getting.

Which is pretty unlikely with 250 or so slots and amount of devices in normal home network.

[narrow folio]

I usually don't mix the IP range of the DHCP with static leases

[twin dew]

Point was that it isn't actual static lease.
But that 192.168.1.120 is dynamic lease, but because it is based on the MAC address anyways, it will always be the same unless there is hash & module collision for that specific address with another device.

[narrow folio]

oh, now I get it. yeah

I somehow thought the .120 was the static entry

did the 24H2 update change the task manager colours in the diagrams?

[twin dew]

Lets see... I have just installed 24H2 on that new computer, and my own are still on 23H2...
Moment

[glossy glacier]

iirc it did

[twin dew]

Yes, much less bright inside colors.

And the color for disks is completely different.

[night girder]

did it turn on Recall? read: is it enabled.

[narrow folio]

I use dark mode and the colors seem a bit 'flashier'

[twin dew]

Not a computer with HW for Recall.
No NPU.

[twin dew]

Edge line colors are pretty close, but the inside colors have been changed, old ones were much closer to the edge color.

[night girder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW6b4ObnYMY

That worried me a bit.

[twin dew]

Search in Settings or in Start menu doesn't find anything with Recall

[twin dew]

Moment

[night girder]

That was the video about.

It's not showing up in the system. But if you check it in command line, it's enabled.

Chris Titus did the same, checked if he could find it as a system setting and didn't find anything. But when he started to dig deeper, he found it was enabled.

[twin dew]

State: Disabled

[night girder]

I just wondered if they pushed that, or changed it before releasing update.

[glossy glacier]

didn't they change it to opt-in?

[night girder]

That's what they promised.

But a promise != reality with Big Tech.

And the video is only two months old, so confusing to know what's up and what isn't.

And nobody updates their video to say; "Hey MS listened and patched this."

[twin dew]

But I also already uninstalled Copilot

[night girder]

I have it gpedit disabled.

[twin dew]

It had done drive encryption into "prepared to lock down" state, which I just removed.

[narrow folio]

my laptop has it not enabled and I had nothing mentioned about recall as the upgrade happened

[night girder]

what version? W11 24H2?

[narrow folio]

yea, that

[night girder]

Good to know!

I still haven't updated for obvious reasons.

[narrow folio]

home edition, but I don't think a pro would change anything about that

my home PC hasn't been offered the upgrade so far, even when searching for newest stuff. maybe there is some software/hardware blocking it?

[glossy glacier]

not available for my systems too. but my parents PC did get it already

[twin dew]

MS offsets that over almost 6 months IIRC to spread the load on download servers etc.

With newest and most tested systems being offered first.
And any old device might push your "spot" lower.

[glossy glacier]

doubt? my parents HW is older than mine

[twin dew]

Not straight up, but as general idea.
And then sprinkling some older systems in earlier batches to get free testing before the same level of HW gets more widespread deployment.

[glossy glacier]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

MS does what MS does

[sterile plinth]

hmm still didnt work

let me check firewall

[glossy glacier]

did you check local FW?

[twin dew]

And how about the server computers firewall?
Can you connect to that server program from another computer in the LAN?

[sterile plinth]

ah, this was probably the issue

i enabled wan to lan, lets see if it works now

seems not, port is still closed

[glossy glacier]

are you sure you have a public IP(v4)?

[twin dew]

And if you are testing from inside the LAN, some routers cannot do hairpin routing.

[sterile plinth]

another computer in the lan? hell, not even my own computer can access it. Its a minecraft server, obviously, and its running right now. Connecting to localhost works fine, but connecting to MY OWN public IP from the server device itself does not work

[sterile plinth]

i will have some friend of mine test

[twin dew]

But first step would be to get that inside LAN connection between computers working.

[sterile plinth]

well yeah, I disabled router firewall and enabled forwarding, it still seems to fail though

[twin dew]

Because all Windows computers by default have block in most firewall enabled.

Until specific program or port or like is allowed in.

[glossy glacier]

connecting to external IP from the internal network may not be supported on your router.

disable your windows firewall and try the port checker website again

also, does your router show the same wan ip as a ip checker website?

[sterile plinth]

thanks, apparently every IP checker website gave me a different IP than my router's config

as far as LAN connections go it should work

[twin dew]

That means there is CG-NAT on ISP level.
So you cannot host anything.

[sterile plinth]

i will test with a friend for remote

[sterile plinth]

oh no...

[twin dew]

As there is another ISP controlled NAT level between your router and the public internet.

Your routers WAN is probably in range of 100.64.0.0 to 100.127.255.255?

[sterile plinth]

... it is 😭

[twin dew]

Yeah, that is assigned CG-NAT internal range.

[sterile plinth]

so uhh how cooked am I

is there any chance of hosting

[twin dew]

Your router isn't getting a public IP at all.

[glossy glacier]

then use IPv6 🙃

[sterile plinth]

is that actually a solution

[twin dew]

You would need to get public IP for your router from your ISP.

That bypasses that CG-NAT, or uses tunneling or like.

[sterile plinth]

yeah i did notice different websites giving me seperate IPs

[night girder]

How does that work? No public IP 🤔

[glossy glacier]

probably. but everyone who want to play on the server needs IPv6 too

[twin dew]

Just another layer of NATting.

[sterile plinth]

dont almost all routers support ipv6

[night girder]

But ... you have to have a public IP no?

[sterile plinth]

yeah!!

how is that even possible

[night girder]

Else internet no works.

[glossy glacier]

most modern do, but most people, like you, don't enable it

[sterile plinth]

i had 3 different ip checker websites give me different IPs

[night girder]

can be dynamic public IP

[twin dew]

No?
ISPs CG-NAT router has public IP(s), and does NAT to that CG-NAT range, and the users router gets that IP, then does another normal NATting.

[sterile plinth]

dynamic IP changes on router restart, not on a per-website basis

[night girder]

Then you still have pbulic IP 🤦‍♀️

If "had name" visits my website, I will see a IP.

[glossy glacier]

NAT. the same way your system has a private IPv4 in your (home) network, the router has a private IP in the ISPs network

[twin dew]

Not to any device you have access to.

[night girder]

It cannot just be blank.

[twin dew]

So you cannot host.

[night girder]

That's not what I am asking.

[sterile plinth]

baldur's point is you dont own your IP, its not yours

[night girder]

In the end; you have a public IP, no matter where it comes from.

If had name visits my website, I will see a IP.

It cannot be blank.

[twin dew]

Yes, and that public IP is shared with hundreds to thousands of other customers of the same ISP.

[sterile plinth]

@twin dew will switching to ipv6 magically fix any of that

[night girder]

So, public IP.

[twin dew]

When classically your router had that public IP to just you.

[glossy glacier]

the ISP has one, but not the home-router

[night girder]

Yes, I understand.

You made it sound like there was no public IP, hence my question.

[twin dew]

Basically means that.
As the one you seem to be from will be randomly changing etc. depending when and where you are connecting to.

ISPs router has, you don't.

[glossy glacier]

the problem is nobody from the outside can initiate a connection to the home-router behind NAT

[twin dew]

So for each connection, there is public IP, but it is even less static than with normal "router gets DHCP assigned dynamic public IP"

[twin dew]

If there is IPv6 support for both sides and the route between them, yes.
As in most cases all IPv6 addresses are public and directly routable.

[glossy glacier]

because there are enough to not need nat

[night girder]

@sterile plinth Does your ISP offer option for static IP? And how much does it cost? And is that an option you might want?

Mine does. I got dynamic, but I can order a static one for a few euros more.

[twin dew]

In some cases you can also get dynamic public IP free or for lesser cost compared to actual static allocation.

[glossy glacier]

public, static is not necessary

[twin dew]

By just contacting ISP support.

[night girder]

Well, if ISP owns public IP and it changes. Then you need static.

That's the whole point for servers and websites.

[glossy glacier]

or set up ddns

[night girder]

That the IP doesn't change every x minutes/days.

[glossy glacier]

static is nice, but not necessary

[night girder]

And then constantly change record?

[twin dew]

But as the changes are often not happening often, or ever.

I have had same "dynamic" ip for over a year now.

[night girder]

Where do you even host the DDNS?

[night girder]

I get a new one if I turn of my router. But else, same for years.

But I am asking this to had name to troubleshoot.

[sterile plinth]

it seems to have local ipv6, im still searching for remote one

[glossy glacier]

enable IPv6 support in your router

[twin dew]

Yes, because if the device informs the ISP that it doesn't need it anymore, or doesn't renew it in time, it gets released to the pool, and some other device can then get assigned it.

[night girder]

So where do you host that DDNS record?

[twin dew]

Various DDNS services, free and paid.

[night girder]

lol, don't pay for static.

[sterile plinth]

if only it was that easy

[night girder]

pay for DDNS

[twin dew]

And for just getting static name to your router thing without extras like email support etc. is free from several places.

[glossy glacier]

on mine it was 🙂
don't know about your router though

[twin dew]

If it is FE80 starting, then that is just local network automatic one, and not public one.

Link-local doesn't cut.
Need public IPv6, which needs support from your ISP and your router.

[night girder]

Btw, if I make a DNS record on cloudflare for my minecraft server. Does that mean people need to use the cloudflare DNS if they want to connect to my server?

My standard DNS is from my ISP I believe.

[twin dew]

No.

[night girder]

So, how does that work?

Do they share among eachother?

[twin dew]

Computer contacts its set DNS server, which contacts Cloudflares DNS server to get the record.
With several middle steps.

[night girder]

Ah, get it.

[glossy glacier]

DNS just translates a name to an IP. depending on the service configuration they can still connect directly via IP

[sterile plinth]

hmm i will check

[night girder]

So it just changes the route to the same resource.

[night girder]

I know.

[sterile plinth]

but im pretty sure if i say the word CG-NAT to an employee they will look at me like im crazy

[twin dew]

DNS is a tree.
And each domain has authorative DNS server that any request for records on that domain are sent.
And it just answers IP address.

And that DNS server giving that answer doesn't have to have anything to do with the owner of that IP address.

[night girder]

It's a telephone book for the internet.

[twin dew]

Yes.

[night girder]

I know.

But I though every company holded a DB for themselves.

but makes more sense that connect to the same one.

I just didn't want to go through my ISP for privacy reasons.

[twin dew]

Domain owner holds the authorative answer, everyone else caches stuff.
With the domain owners DNS also including entries about how long you can cache the answer etc.

[glossy glacier]

DNS is public (except internal DNS). so it does not matter where you register a domain

[twin dew]

As normal DNS is just name to IP.
For IP to name there is reverse-DNS, which is in turn done by the IPs owner.

[sterile plinth]

hmm according to this forum for my specific ISP if you just phone them and tell them you want to be removed from the CGNAT they do it right away no payment no anything
www.insomnia.gr/forums/topic/806475-nat-ip-σε-wind/

[twin dew]

Like I said.

[sterile plinth]

yeah

this guy in the forum is saying public IPv4s have been expended for the last 10 years and CGNAT was invented as a way to counteract that until we see public use of IPv6

@twin dew mr baldur is that true?? have we ran out

[glossy glacier]

yesnt

[twin dew]

Yes. IPv4 addresses have all been allocated.

And IPv6 was created as replacement long time ago, ISPs just have sat and not invested to actually support it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv4_address_exhaustion

[glossy glacier]

FYI IPv6 was finished in 1998. so yeah, ISPs are dragging their feed

[night girder]

How long do OS systems support it and/or motherboards.

[twin dew]

And IANA ran out of IPv4 /8 blocks in 2011.

And last local RIR to run out was RIPE in 2019.

[sterile plinth]

so the only requirement for IPv6 to be used for a connection between 2 routers is for both of them to support it?

is there any hardware requirement

[twin dew]

Everything needs to support it.

[glossy glacier]

all devices in the connection need to support it

[twin dew]

Computers, routers, ISP equipment, backhauls between the ISPs.

Software

[night girder]

Microsoft releases an IPv6 technology preview version for Windows 2000 in March 2000.[17]

Apple Mac OS X v10.3 "Panther" (2003) supports IPv6 which is enabled by default.[26]

[twin dew]

Basically the problem is ISPs not wanting to spend money to update the equipment or work hours to support IPv6.

[night girder]

Earliest I could find for MS and Apple, so that's 2-5 years later (if 1998 was year that IPv6 was released).

And let's not forget consoles:

On November 22, 2013, the Xbox One becomes the first dedicated video game console from a major company to support IPv6.[41]

So it also seems on the software side, not everyone was so quick to pick it up.

[twin dew]

But basically the end user devices have mostly supported IPv6 for a long time already.
Routers somewhat less.
The major Tier 1 backhauls have also supported it for long time for most of them.
Problem is the ISP level uptake.

[night girder]

well, long time.

if you find 12 years long for a console as an example.

When the tech is from 1998.

[twin dew]

Consoles would have supported it faster if ISPs had deployed it.

[night girder]

You think?

[glossy glacier]

www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html

[night girder]

I think it's more of a combination of factors.

[glossy glacier]

about 45% adoption rate

[twin dew]

That only tells how places have "bought"/reserved IPv6 blocks for themselves.
Not when they were actually put into use.

[night girder]

Well it still tells us when it gained popularity.

[twin dew]

Telia has had IPv6 address allocation for LONG time.
But they still don't have any public plans to deploy native IPv6 to home users.

[night girder]

People wont buy the blocks if they don't see the need for it and/or heard of it.

[twin dew]

They did add 6rd support couple of years ago.

Which is IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling thingie.

[night girder]

Tools such as 6rd, conceived by Rémi Després, have been developed to enable IPv6 rapid deployment.

[twin dew]

Yeah, to allow ISPs to allow IPv6 at the edge, but without having to have IPv6 support in most of their internal network.

And it sucks compared to native IPv6.

[night girder]

Yeah, so they route to IPv4.

[glossy glacier]

"just use this software so we don't have to invest into native support"

[twin dew]

And isn't directly supported in any OS.
Needs either supporting NAT-router, or Linux with either recent enough SystemD with NetworkD in use, or user made scripts.

[night girder]

Always works 👍

[twin dew]

Cannot be used direct in Windows or MacOS

And that SystemD is only native implementation in Linux.
Outside of bad script hacks.

[night girder]

I regret starting extended S.M.A.R.T. test on my NAS drive. It told me it needed 300 minutes. It started at 10 AM. Now it's 5 PM! ANd it's at 30%.

[twin dew]

Yeah, any accesses to the drive will pause it for significant time.

[night girder]

I am not doing anything to it besides monitoring progress.

Maybe that's enough to already slow it down.

[twin dew]

That monitoring counts.
And any OS level accesses etc.

[night girder]

Nothing is accessing it atm.

[twin dew]

Each time you ask for the status is access.

[night girder]

Yeah besides that.

[twin dew]

Any time file system or OS utility touches the drive is access.

[night girder]

That's not really happening.

But doesn't matter. I got patience.

[twin dew]

If the file system on the drive is mounted, accesses are happening from OS.

[night girder]

It's not.

My devices don't auto mount my NAS properly.

[twin dew]

ON THE NAS

The OS on the NAS itself.

[night girder]

mac is too dumb to do it properly, tries to connect to NAS, but doesn't wait for NAS to wake up and then just errors out.

Windows, I don't trust with auto mounting my NAS for security.

I just use the synology dropbox thing to share files.

[night girder]

Got it.

Isn't the OS doing the smart?

[twin dew]

No, it just told the drive to run internal check, done by the drive controller itself.

[night girder]

Oh, interesting!

[twin dew]

And that drive controller stops the check every time the host computer talks to the controller, for any reason.

Just in case the computer then wants actually access the drive next.

[night girder]

I could have been sitting here for weeks 🤣

Well, it is progressing. 30% in 7 hours.

[twin dew]

And remember that the Synology OS, and the logs for that etc. live on the same drives.

[night girder]

I though it was because of RAID, that it was so slow.

only thing I, personally, dislike, is how synology OS spreads out logging all over the place.

You have the log center, which "acts" like the main tool that keeps logs for everything.

But some synology apps, have their own logs inside of if it, not sharing with log center. Super confusing.

I would take screenshot, but I can't wake up OS

[twin dew]

All the various SMART functionality is drive controller controlled and stored at the base of it.

Most historical data is then just snapshots from that drive internal data, but there is even some historical storage there.

Depends on drive how extensive that SMART internal historical logging is.
Is there just current, worst and current, or more.

[night girder]

first time doing full smart scan.

2025, time to do some system cleaning.

[twin dew]

There is usually two versions of that long test, one that can be run while drive is in use, and another that takes it offline while test is running.
But Synology doesn't explose that second one, as using it would basically kill the device until the test completes.

And they would also need to code special handling into the whole OS too.

[night girder]

I am just so used to monitoring progress. A bit weird, because the only way to know how far it is, or if it's done, is by checking in OS.

[twin dew]

Basically check again tomorrow.

[night girder]

🤣

and that's 1 out of 2 drives.

[twin dew]

I have set automatic run long test every month, and short test every week (if long test isn't still running)

[pure karma]

seems we have similar plans

my start of the year goal was to give everything i use a well needed maintenance

i did both my pc's and then gave up

[wanton orchid]

@twin dew did you ever try to OC ECC sticks in X570D4U-2L2T ?
setting VCCM is ok, but every time I try to set frequency, even native one, it just completly break itself (and even report 1.73 VCCM error, which is completely insane), I suspect it tries to load XMP profiles or something even though there is non on these sticks

[twin dew]

VDIMM is using fixed regulator, so you cannot get over 1.2V to the DIMMs without HW mod.

[wanton orchid]

(I mean I'm ok with stock settings, but it's still weird, and if it's possible to OC and/or you had it figured out, better asking you)

[twin dew]

And VSOC probably won't get raised automatically like with any consumer board.

[wanton orchid]

I can't be very sure about that, as we may have different revisions (I'm on 1.2)

[pure karma]

time for me to be dumb and try to find a way to ramp up clocks on a locked cpu because this is a joke

[twin dew]

None of the revisions have changed that.

[wanton orchid]

ok well in this case this is a +

as I dont like having 1.73 reported even for a short duration

[twin dew]

That was what was happening on my broken original board on each reboot.
Possibly broken monitoring, or quick spike.

[wanton orchid]

what, you meant it would not post and show 1.7V vccm in sensor panel ?

[twin dew]

No, that event logging would show voltage limit exceeded after each boot.

[wanton orchid]

oh ok

it does report what you set as vccm though

for me it reports 1.21 when default, and 1.25 and spike at 1.26 when set

I had it at 1.39 and it would report 1.4 exceeded at boot with 1.45

I dont know how it can report analog mesurements if the dimm never receive such vccm

[twin dew]

Ok, then might have been changed later.
Never tried on that new replacement board.

[night girder]

I was thinking in setting up VPN to my NAS, so I can open it up to the internet. But I am not sure about that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVPN

[wanton orchid]

vpn clients are either closed or broken currently for some reasons

[night girder]

That one.

[night girder]

wdym?

[wanton orchid]

finding actually working and compatible vpn clients is what's hard

it's also where all the configuration bullshit goes

like "this is compatible with this" but actually not working because only tested or demonstrated in quirky situations

bad documentation

[night girder]

oh, I looked it up. OpenVPN works with the devices I want.

[twin dew]

OpenVPN and WireGuard mostly just work.

[wanton orchid]

actually only half option actually supported, to the point of not even ignoring the unknown setting unlike specified in the spec and erroring out

[night girder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBXlZf7gSwc

[wanton orchid]

only pc vpn is working quite ok

[twin dew]

IPSec is pain to configure.
And then there are various vendor specific ones, and then other broken ones.

[night girder]

But you might still be right SharklienX, didn't put it into practice yet.

[wanton orchid]

all mobile stuff is bullshit

[night girder]

I am just not 100% if I want to open my NAS to outside.

[wanton orchid]

make sure to have at least somewhat "static" private file key secured vpn

which you only pass over secure channel

I used openvpn as it can support lot of layer for authentications
but it's a pain in the ass to make it work smoothly with multiple clients then

[night girder]

I only need it for one purpose, connect to my NAS when not at home.

[wanton orchid]

and there are stupid stuff about how network is managed, like you see that openvpn devs are not networking experts

between misleading and ambiguous network related settings
there are bullshit like not supporting setting up multiple ipv6 ips on some clients and server
like they assumed there would be only one

which is a wrong assumption

documentation never actually define which setting can have multiple occurance and which does not

configuration is a clusterfuck when you are looking at details

it's only tested to work with stupidly simple configurations (which does not provide good security)

I suspect all the good implementation are private ones
but even then it's unlikely because if you can't review it, there is less or even no insentive to make it good

so in the end OpenVPN implementation is as defined as IP one

i.e it is wild in practice

[wanton orchid]

and you also run into issues like windows not supporting split dns

tbh windows still is an old fuckery when you look at system level practically

[night girder]

I don't need windows 😊 Don't want to tell too much. But it's for a different use case. I think it will suffice. And OpenVPN is one of the bigger ones.

[wanton orchid]

I dont even know why entreprise still use it and claim it's more secure, when it's actually dumb as fuck system wise

[night girder]

I used it in banks. To develop.

[wanton orchid]

if you run on a linux implementation you control, it should be mostly fine

[night girder]

Also, it's open-source. So "transparant".

[wanton orchid]

and you should get the biggest feature set/compatibility

with less dumb designs

where I'm most pissed off is for Android support

all the implementations sucks

to the point I actually consider making my own seriously

[night girder]

Download and install the OpenVPN Connect app:
Open the Google Play Store on your Android device.
Search for OpenVPN Connect.
Tap Install to download and install the app.

Seems pretty straight forward 😄

[wanton orchid]

I mean linux server implementation can be annoying, but it's possible to workaround the annoying things, so it's workable

[wanton orchid]

❌

trapped

[night girder]

Also, if the devivce, which runs the VPN server, goes to sleep, can that cause a problem?

[twin dew]

Depends on the level of sleep.

[night girder]

well, it would run on my synology NAS.

Which hybernates the disks after a while.

[twin dew]

That isn't sleep.
That is just parking the drives.

[night girder]

hybernate, isn't sleep?

[twin dew]

It almost certainly isn't sleeping or hibernating the OS and device.
Just putting drives into power down mode.

Sleeping the drives isn't same as sleeping or hibernating the whole NAS.

[night girder]

Only problem is... that's what you say.

While synology clearly calls it hibernation.

[twin dew]

And like it says, DRIVES

Not the whole NAS.

That Power Schedule would be the whole NAS

[night girder]

Well, it's still hibernating.

[twin dew]

They are using wrong word there, but that is just more understandable for laymen.

Putting drives into power save mode, with spindles stopped.
But setting that too low will kill the drives sooner.
As there is limited number of head park cycles etc. that drives can take.

[night girder]

Yeah, I know. It is temporary solution (already implemented for 2 years).

[twin dew]

Power savings and drive total runtime savings vs. actuation cycles.
Optimal depends on the actual usage profile.

[night girder]

Previous place I lived, the NAS was in basement. No issues with noise. Now it's in my bedroom.

So I told it to go to ~~sleep ~~ hibernate disks if not used for noise reduction.

[twin dew]

But that doesn't affect VPN etc. at all.

[night girder]

Ok, good to know.

[wooden vessel]

Do I understand correctly, that you want to VPN into your home? Is your IP static?

[night girder]

I hope I can get this to work, but I want actually my VPN to point not to my whole NAS, but to a docker service inside the NAS only.

So even if the VPN get's compromised, then they would need to break outside the docker service (which probably can happen).

[night girder]

More or less, yes 🙂

mobile device -> VPN (running on NAS) -> Docker Service (running on NAS).

[twin dew]

For lower than fully operational, the official terms for SATA are IDLE, STANDBY and SLEEP.

[night girder]

I think it's going to be a headache, we'll see 😄

[twin dew]

What each drive turns off in each mode isn't standardized.
Usually both STANDBY and SLEEP both already turn the spindle off.

[night girder]

Also, these are suppose to be NAS drives. One would __assume __ they can handle this a bit more.

[twin dew]

Usually 600k cycles as spec for the head parking, both consumer, NAS and enterprise.

Currently.

Just that NAS and Enterprise drives are expected to do less of those cycles per day.

Don't know about the whole spindle stop and start cycles.

[night girder]

Well, most people with a NAS know what they get into. You need to replace the drives sooner or later. Just a reality.

[wanton orchid]

OpenVPN Connect, is closed shit
it claim support for a lot of features it actually does not support (but have proprietary shit with "Access Server" services)

[wooden vessel]

Ok. I am an advocate of Zerotier - or similar technologies such as tailscale - for such things. These are effectively p2p VPN's. You don't "log into" it, you have an identity that recognized by the peers and allows you to participate. The key idea for these is that the software pokes holes into the firewall using upnp allowing direct connection from peers, and if that fails uses a mutually-visible proxy (zerotier term, "moon") to forward encrypted traffic between participants. I use this for flinging money at my day job in the crypto racket. It's great. With zt in particular, I also get DNS. The "vpn" gets a zone in one of 3 protected TLD's - .home .corp or .arpa - and names resolve according to the name in the zt. So my radarr and sonarr installations are at (tv|movies).hotblack.gg.home and only devices i approve can join that network, or/and do dns lookups. an attacker would have to forge or obtain the cryptographic identity

of a peer to break in

the outer surface is a bunch of open UDP ports for traffic and one tcp for control

and the control is outgoing only, not incoming, i just remembered

consider it if ovpn this doesn't work out for you. if you're not allowing routing into the docker network it won't

[night girder]

Yeah, that's the thing I need to look up. How to do that again. Done it in the past between images etc. But never with a VPN.

and Tailscale looks interesting. Thanks for tip 👍

[edgy hazel]

Tbh if you do want to to connect to your homeservers, just check if your router has a VPN Server option

[wooden vessel]

only question i have is if tailscale operates moons for you or if it's a diy

[night girder]

Nah, it doesn't. Shitty ISP router.

[edgy hazel]

Is it just for SSH or actual access ?

[wanton orchid]

tbh its also how openvpn protocol is supposed to work, appart that openvpn is lower level logic
and does not handle most of the higher level stuff (and that's what I was complaining about earlier : what it does have to handle in high level, it handles randomly and badly/implementation dependent)

which zerotier fixes because it is a specific plaftorm/tool instead of a protocol loosely defined

[edgy hazel]

Yall going way to complicated for a dude that just wants to connect to his home network remotely... 🙄

[night girder]

actual access

[wooden vessel]

zt is stupid simple

[edgy hazel]

Yeah then just set up an openvpn or wireguard server and secure it properly

Can do it on a pi or something

[wooden vessel]

set up network (free). install client on docker, join network with two commands. install "vpn" app on mobile device.

be done in ten minutes

[wanton orchid]

they didnt ask "access home" they asked "access inside my NAS setup, potentially using specific enclave, with this or that tool, manually setup"

[night girder]

In the end, I was thinking to do something like this: device outside home-network -> VPN (running on NAS) -> Docker container with service in it (running on NAS).

[edgy hazel]

Why specifically a VPN on your Nas?

[night girder]

it's open for debate. But that was my current idea. So my NAS stays secure.

[wanton orchid]

not hard to tie the vpn network inside a container

[night girder]

because that's the only hardware I have atm that runs 24/7.

[twin dew]

Because it is device already available that can run VPN?
When the main router cannot.

[wanton orchid]

and also because it's for access to the NAS services

[edgy hazel]

Ah okay. Explains it. Well just go with whatever you can easily set up/the nasty supports out of the box

That was meant to be NAS but autocorrect hates your NAS apparently

[wanton orchid]

NAS T.Y

[edgy hazel]

Also this sounds like you need to start a homelab

[night girder]

@twin dew Do you backup your NAS to the cloud? If so, how much do you pay for it monthly?

[wanton orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/jensen-gpu-nvidia-gif-6787244001723707525

[twin dew]

Not currently.

[edgy hazel]

Time for some Pi's, an old PC from ebay, a nice managed switch and router that doesn't suck

[twin dew]

Was looking for IDrive or Jottacloud when I can afford it.
Just as another target for main computer backups directly.

[wanton orchid]

(router that does not suck is the hard part)

[night girder]

I got one out of the 4 🥳 (A switch)

[night girder]

Especially for my country 😦 I already ranted about it in this channel.

[twin dew]

Because of the local encryption before uploading on both.

[edgy hazel]

You can probably set your ISP router as a bridge to a real router

[twin dew]

If you don't use the web interfaces on their sites.

[night girder]

Yes, and our goverment said since last year, ISP need to provide a list of other compatible routers.

But the ISP made the list as abstract as possible. Really hard to understand for someone who doesn't build routers.

[wanton orchid]

that moment you finally get that the only way to have a decent router is to have custom box with fast enough computer hardware and SFP ports/slots

[night girder]

So, bridge is only option I have.

[edgy hazel]

Yeah and then next PC upgrade, don't sell or give away the parts and build a nice homeserver

My next homeserver will have a 5800x3D

[night girder]

Few months ago I found outer about bufferbloat

since then I want my own router 😦

[wanton orchid]

ngl, a fast SBC with one or two ethernet ports (at least one that support POE) and 1 or 2 SFP slots, is the go to
(but hard to find which check all the boxes)

[night girder]

The whole guide for my own router reads like this:

The interoperability partner DSLAM consists of Nokia 7363 MX6 with RANT-C NT and with RDLT-G line card and NVSP-B splitter card with ISAM SW version R6.2.04ng instead of Nokia 7356 SB-REM with NDLT-G- line card, NVSP-B splitter card and NRCD-C vectoring controller card

Thanks ISP for that useful information. Now I know what router to buy 🤣

[edgy hazel]

I personally find a router with sfp absolutely unnecessary. A switch? Maybe. Sure. But what you need that on a router for?

[twin dew]

Yeah, because they just released the RFP for selecting the next ISP provided router model, as is.

[twin dew]

In case of fiber to home, and you want to direct connect the fiber without separate ONT.

But only matters for that.

In this case it is about VDSL

But basically any VDSL modem should work, just without IPTV etc.

[wanton orchid]

for compatibility with any of the ISP fiber stuff, and for efficient connect to a switch, in this case the router does not have builting switch

[night girder]

Just read it Baldur. I can understand you understand what is going on in it. But how is a average citizen suppose to know wtf they are reading?

[twin dew]

That line was about the SharklienX:s line about Router having SFP

[night girder]

And that's the only document we have, to choose a router compatible with our ISp.

[night girder]

👍

[twin dew]

And no, I don't understand that one either.
I just understand enough that it is the full technical level RFP partially reformatted.
And from the previous case, that for base connectivity anything spec compliant works.

[stray badger]

jeez guys, just use tailscale

[twin dew]

But then the various IPTV etc. requirements were much more specific.

[stray badger]

super easy super simple

[night girder]

Just pisses me off. 😡 Typical corpo move. "Oh we have to let costumers buy their own routers? Oh we have to give specs? It's the law." ... "We will do everything in our power, to comply with it, while not helping our costumers anyway."

Now we have to wait, for the goverment, to make a law, that tells ISP, that the specification for routers, need to be in layman terms.

And aslong we don't have a law like that, ISP's will do whatever the fuck they want over here.

So, I don't know what the law was suppose to do anyway. Yes we can buy our own routers now. Yes, ISP need to allow it. But that's it.

[stray badger]

idk much about docker, but if it works in a similar manner to a VM, you can have a docker container running tailscale on the NAS, and then use tailscale to connect to the NAS that way