off-topic-tech

[pure karma]

well the B580 releases in 4 days if i am not mistaken so i think its pretty late

[winged valley]

Honestly, I might pick up whatever the cheapest one is when they release it

B550 or whatever

*350?

It'll be useful for transcoding, better than my quadro P40 something

[twin dew]

Only two mid-tier ones announced at this point.
Smaller and larger variants are coming later.

[pure karma]

im guessing B770 and so on will be at some point in 2025?

there branding is good once you get it tho.. A300,A500,A700 B300,B500,B700 and so on

[winged valley]

Its the same branding as their cpus

[twin dew]

No?

A, B, C etc. as the generation, then first number as performance class and then two last as submodels.

Old Intel CPU was branding (Core i), performance class (number) dash, generation (one or two numbers), submodel (three numbers), and letter modifiers at end.
New is again branding, performance class, generation as first number and then submodel as two numbers.

[glossy glacier]

He probably meant 3, 5 and 7 for the performance category

[willow pike]

they did this press tour last time, saying how hard it is to make a GPU, how important frame time is, then it came out and it was shit anyway

[glossy glacier]

For being their first dGPU in over 10 years or so they are very good. Drivers improved massively in the following months

[pure karma]

no because instead of the i they have a changing letter determining the generation making this whole thing infinitely easier for inexperienced people

[winged valley]

Okay its similar then

[pure karma]

so as baldur explaiend youve got your letter as the generation so A.B.C and then the number as the specific model meaning as long as the letter is the same its just a bigger number = better situation

[winged valley]

Hypothetically what if intel runs out of letters do we get AA580

[pure karma]

probably another rebrand by that point realistically

[winged valley]

Yeah probably

[pure karma]

i doubt they would do the full 26 before changing again

[willow pike]

we won't even see C580

intel is gonna be thrown to the vultures

[glossy glacier]

Didnt the Intel guy say Celestial/Druid HW is already locked in?

[pure karma]

im guessing its just a normal thign for linux to do a terible job at detecting inputs?

seeing how this is two diffrent installs on two diffrent computers that just ignore inputs, have seconds of delay or even outright make up inputs i dident do

[willow pike]

do not underestimate the ability of the intel board to fuck things up

[tough owl]

💀🪦

[visual tree]

Could someone please convince me this person is just trolling. How can you be so terminally stupid? 💀

[willow pike]

impossible to say; crypto bros are so stupid you can never tell if they're parody

[tough owl]

Guys I just lost $20000000 in doge to $Hawk

[visual tree]

Imagine burning all your savings and college funds on memecoin, you totally deserve everything that happens if you do this

[mental oriole]

Pretty much... Anyone who thinks crypto is a smart investment... sorry but you deserve that.

[willow pike]

all my hawk gone

[gilded helm]

His whole job is to put a positive spin on Arc. I would take everything Tom says with a basketball sized grain of salt.

[sterile plinth]

2 years late to this

But does it being damp matter

[edgy hazel]

dude

yes

[gilded helm]

Really liking this to maybe replace my Bolt. The Bolt was only ever going to be a bridge car.

www.caranddriver.com/news/a62963729/2026-hyundai-ioniq-9-revealed/

[jagged snow]

No he just said that because he wanted to type a little extra

[verbal raft]

WAAAAAAAAAAATTT

[pure karma]

isent that just the same as say gpu overclocking in something like msi afterburner but for ram

if operating systems dont get confused by it i dont see why it woudlent be possible

[glossy glacier]

why should the OS get confused? timings are only relevant for the controller, aren't they?
OS will probably care if the memory gets unstable tho

[pure karma]

os tracks speeds like MT/s

[willow pike]

that's pretty neat

[glossy glacier]

fair, my brain jumped to timing only, disregarding speed

[gilded helm]

Tom coming right out and saying dGPUs don't make Intel money. Which is fine, I don't think anyone disagrees Intel is still very much farming XP. But I can't help but think they really need to stick to one die per generation to farm XP in a more cost effective manner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYZyai-xjNM

[cyan crescent]

Can i get some help fixing my laptop? Its stuck in a boot screen.

[willow pike]

if their own people say it don't make money, the new CEO will shriek in horror and Old Yeller it

[gilded helm]

I think B700 GPUs will get axed. The whole division needs to figure out how to operate on a tighter budget I supect, or Druid is toast.

I think Celestial will get one die.

[edgy hazel]

trying out the zen browser rn

it's pretty nice

[languid gulch]

it's more concerning to me that arc is eating into radeon's market share instead of Nvidia's

[willow pike]

because people will still buy 8GB 5060s when they come out even after everyone says they're shit

buyers are as blind as they were with intel, and it took ryzen being significantly better to really put a dent in that

they will never achieve this against nvidia as they are too paranoid a company to let anyone get close

meanwhile, intel were brain dead for a full decade

[timid stump]

tbh only hope for ARCs = budget build thats all 🤷‍♂️

[stray badger]

Idk if the 580 does what it says it should do, the 780 could be pretty good

[gilded helm]

Laptop 5060 will almost certainly get 8GB even if desktop gets lucky and they can get 3GB chips at a price that works for 12GB over a 128 bit bus.

[stray badger]

yeah i realized how bad it was when my 3060 laptop was running out of vram constantly... less than a year after I bought it. 6GB is stupid

i have 16gb now, and even then it feels like too little

[soft bloom]

And its good that we don't need more than 8Gb for midrange
Also 8gb feels closer to mid-high/high end, especially 9 years ago. 4-6GB feels much more like midrnge

[languid gulch]

i feel like 6gb is bare minimum these days, & won't get you anywhere with newer titles

[soft bloom]

I hope you don't talk about trash aaa

Also half best rated games are indie

The idea that you need cool high end gou to enjoy gaming is such a lie...

[sharp oasis]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pixel6/s/MDi7edeWHt

My current post of my findings with experimenting with Google tensor g1

[gilded helm]

I actually feel like HUB is going to rip Battlemage a new one. One of the slides Tom from Intel was talking about in the PC World podcast leans right into a talking point HUB has had for a while. That people are going to just turn off ray tracing in exchange for the higher frame rate. And in the Intel presentation's Forza slide has the 4060 winning with ray tracing off.

That's only one game, not nearly enough for a conclusion. It's just a weird unforced error, and I'm surprised PC World didn't call Tom out on that.

[sharp oasis]

I may end up researching how to make my own kernel and start developing a passion project into making custom effeicncy kernels for pixels

[timid stump]

gtx 1070 is top range gpu for gtx series lol 🤣

[timid stump]

8 is minimum lol 🤣

[languid gulch]

i feel like there's still a lot of "we really want arc to succeed" from the gaming industry. nice sentiment, but it shouldn't cloud reality

[timid stump]

if they able to put like 12gb vram and quite a good amount of rt cores while remaining the same amount sure 🤷‍♂️ (for their lowest model)

[past agate]

A cryptocoin pump and dump? Nowai!

https://tenor.com/view/sarcastic-kirk-gif-20910726

[tribal kraken]

Seems to do the job, feels like double the speed for processing data after the 6th gen Intel CPU on old laptop

[pure karma]

acording to this we should be at gpu's with 128GB of Vram 🤣

[pure karma]

only game that gave me problems was Forza horizon 5 when i had 6GB but it was still perfectly playable at high graphics settings if you ignored the rgb trees

altho i will agree that newer cards continuing to stay at less than 12GB shoudlent exist

anyone else having issues with the windows clock? mine keeps reverting to the default timezone thats like 4 hours ahead

[twin dew]

Have you actually set the right timezone?
And not just edited the clock?

[mental oriole]

Disable time sync if you manually change the clock. But idk why you would want to do that.

[twin dew]

Or might have that automated time zone setting enabled and IP based location detection fails.

[pure karma]

i have it set up right but unelss i manually sync windows gets it wrong every time

[twin dew]

So show that settings screen?

[pure karma]

it shows whatever timezone is 00:00 despite being set to -04:00 unless i manually sync it

[twin dew]

Where does it show timezone as 00:00?

[pure karma]

i sync it manually so its fine but it would be saying it 1PM rn if i dident

let me restart my pc and see if it does it again

nothing. ils grab a screenshot if it does it again

i already fixed it myself before asking so yea

[wanton orchid]

you're using a vm and misconfigured windows to work nicely with it
it resets "everytime" you start it again right ?

[twin dew]

Or Windows isn't setting the actual hardware clock correctly when it changes the software side time.

[twin dew]

I don't understand some people...
They see I have helped someone in #1038092680493801533 with some problem, they start to PM me for help instead of continuing either that thread, or making their own...

[dire igloo]

They want exclusivity

[jagged snow]

I used to get that very frequently, one of the reasons I quit helping there so regularly

[twin dew]

Easy to ignore, just stupid.

[night girder]

Can spinning fans cause "backsurge voltage" and fry motherboards?

In the case a PC is turned off and you are vacuum cleaning it.

Which I would find very weird 🤨

[twin dew]

vacuuming can fry components itself.

Most vacuum cleaner nozzles are nonconductive, and the airflow causes them to get ESD charged.

[night girder]

Yeah I know that.

I am asking, if the fans start spinning backwards, does it generate power, and frying mobo? (as someone is claiming)

[twin dew]

And any permanent electric motor will act as generator, both forward and backwards.

And basically all computer fans are permanent electric.

[night girder]

And motherboards aren't protected against this?

[twin dew]

Shouldn't be real problem, as the voltage produced is about same as used to run the fan at same RPM.

[night girder]

So it doesn't fry motherboards ...

Ok. The claim was: be carefull when vacuuming your PC, if fans spin backwards, they can fry your motherboard (kill).

And I was having big doubts, something didn't make sense.

[twin dew]

That "if spins backwards" part already makes it crap.

[night girder]

I know about ESD* because I had a long conversation with you about it once 😉

That's why I bought a compressor.

And a filter for it to reduce moisture when using the compressor.

[twin dew]

It basically would be any spinning if it mattered.
No matter the direction.

[night girder]

I still need a bracelet. But need time to investigate and find a good one that I can buy locally.

[twin dew]

The real thing is that fan spinning without input voltage can damage the bearings in many of current gen fans, as they use electromagnet to stabilize the shaft.

Not much, but equal to tens to hundreds of normal startups.

[night girder]

How much does a fan generate you think?

5 volt? That can't be enough to really kill a motherboard can it

[twin dew]

Getting 0.3V when I spin a Fractal X2 GP-14

[night girder]

Someone claims, if a fan has 1200 RPM at 12V. If you spin that fan at 1200RPM it generates +- 12V.

But then other people also claim fans have protection against this, besides cheap brands.

[twin dew]

Not +-.
DC fan will produce about the same voltage, with same polarity, with same RPM.

Just confirmed that the polarity was same in both turning directions when I tested.

[night girder]

Interesting

Thanks 👍

[twin dew]

So no, you cannot really damage with that normal RPM range.
As the MB side is designed to take that voltage.
And it doesn't output reverse etc.
Which would usually be less dangerous, not more.

Like I said, that that line specified that just reverse would damage, made it complete bogus from start.

And as most higher end DC motors are now brushless, they actually have electronics that switch which coils are connected, and that significantly lowers the unpowered generator output voltages compared to old style DC motors with commutators or like.

Replacing physical switching with electronic one.

[night girder]

I will put toothpicks into my fans next cleaning round. Which would be soon,

Just to spare the fans themselves a bit 🙂

[twin dew]

Well, IIRC old physical commutated brushed DC motor should produce negative voltage and not positive when turning in "wrong" direction.
But no idea when those were last used in PC fans.

[night girder]

Fact checking with Baldur 😄

[twin dew]

But too late today... Too sleepy.
So off to bed ->

[night girder]

Good night sir 👋

[gilded helm]

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/12/amazon-gets-into-the-car-sales-game-starting-with-hyundai/

[twin dew]

Also, need to remember that that same backfeeding happens every time computer is shut down.
As the power to fans gets cut, and they continue to spin on inertia, producing power.

[gilded helm]

Maybe people will go for the convenience, but on such a large purchase I'm skeptical. This was already possible through the Chase web banking interface, for instance. But the prices were marked up. I suspect you'll see the same middleman markup with Amazon.

[night girder]

True, so that's why I though there would be mechanics to protect mobo.

[night girder]

I wnted to say: no way this flies in EU, then I read "... in 48 US cities"

[gilded helm]

I bet they kill it, it's just using local dealer inventories. People will probably use it to browse and narrow choices, but then go to the actual dealers to shop.

[twin dew]

If almost everything in consumer electronics didn't have 2-6kV ESD protections built in, we would have LOT of broken stuff constantly just from people handling things.

Well, almost all chips currently have at least that 2kV protection inbuilt to some amount of power.

[night girder]

Yup, idiots like me would not know and do dumb stuff with it.

[twin dew]

And then the actual connections get something like this:

About 0.11e per chip at large amounts.

So if adding that chip to 200e GPU makes it so that you get 1 in 1800 less warranty cases, it was worth it.

[night girder]

for usb 3.0 and HDMI

[twin dew]

High speed busses like that need the most expensive chips.

Ok, you need more than one per HDMI connector, but anyways.

[twin dew]

Was just easiest to search for HDMI one as example.

[night girder]

So, the diodes ground from a certain voltage?

[twin dew]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transient-voltage-suppression_diode

Normal diode only protects against reverse voltage in circuit like that.
TVS or Zener diode would also protect against too high forward voltage.

[pure karma]

not imposible because yea it turns into a generator so...

[night girder]

Oh, it doesn't ground but applies positive or negative DC to counter it?

that fixes either the positive or the negative peak excursions of a signal to a defined voltage by adding a variable positive or negative DC voltage to it.

[twin dew]

This just allows the voltage from that lower line get to higher line with almost no resistance.

[pure karma]

i know it generates very low power but i remember in a JTC video once he spun a fan to like 7000 rpm and it was generating like a good 6V

[twin dew]

Because they are using wrong symbol for actual ESD protection.

"full" protection:

[night girder]

I don't understand how it "protects" yet, what the mechanic is.

[twin dew]

But for most cases, just that single TVS or Zener is enough.

[night girder]

But I need to read the wikipedia a bit more.

[pure karma]

so its not one of those "because its within a normal range that it wont break anything" type of things

[twin dew]

Allows the voltage to get fed to ground or VCC without going through any of the other components, when there is too high voltage difference or it is in wrong direction.

[night girder]

Oh, so it does ground it. Ok.

[twin dew]

In this:
Upper diode: if signal voltage is higher than VCC, discharge to VCC.
Lower diode: if signal voltage is lower than GND, discharge to GND.
Right-side TVS: If voltage between VCC and GND is too high, short them together to discharge that overvoltage.

[night girder]

We talked about this earlier, if 1200 RPM = 12V, if you spin the fan with vacuum or whatever at 1200RPM, it gives 12V.

[twin dew]

Only for those older physical commutator fans.

Not for brushless.

[night girder]

👍

[twin dew]

Basically this prevents the signal going over VCC + diode voltage (0.3V usually for the diodes used), or to less than GND - 0.3V.
And the voltage between VCC and GND cannot be larger than that right-side Zeners or TVS diodes breakdown voltage where it starts to allow for reverse current.

Until the diodes themselves burn out from too high power/current.

[twin dew]

Which in this was 80A for 5/50ns, 2A for 8/20 us.
Don't remember what was the exact curve those times refer to.

[night girder]

All I found is that my B650M PRO RS supports ESD protection for USB ports.

was looking what kind of ESD protections my motherboard has.

[rain crystal]

whats a good starter pc as low as possible i currently have like a 100 euro mini pc and a ps5 but am looking or an upgrade have 400 euro to spend right now just gonna be using it for some low lvl gaming

[jagged snow]

Save and don't buy anything rn if you already have a ps5

You'll probably have to spend somewhere around 800 to match the performance of a ps5 even if you buy used

Used prices should drop in a few months once the new GPUs release

[pure karma]

firefox why in the ever living fuck do you have to be such a pain in the ass of a browser

leave my cpu alone you bastard

[rain crystal]

ty for your advise

[jagged snow]

It's not the browswer, it's something you're doing with it

Firefox is legitimately outstanding

[jagged snow]

(this is with 6 tabs across one window and a popup btw)

[pure karma]

literally just 1080P youtube video and a new tab

[jagged snow]

hw accel disabled?

[willow pike]

i have good reason to believe valve will release a mini pc imminently at around that price

it's also worth looking into a steam deck

it won't beat any speed records but you can't build a pc for that price

[tough owl]

I second this. Firefox is so good on cpu

[pure karma]

too bad. i have had enough

[jagged snow]

Man this is once again your incredible capacity for user error 🤣

[pure karma]

good then because that means the user error is opening the browser

[past agate]

https://tenor.com/view/sesame-street-cookie-monster-eats-your-art-eating-muppet-crazy-eyes-gif-1461380403278441959

[tough owl]

Remember he was the one who blew up his laptop from doing who knows what

[past agate]

I've literally used Firefox for forever now and it's been fine. My vote is they're not using adblock and there are multiple tabs auto-loading picture-in-picture videos muted in the background of those tabs

if not actively running a stream just to listen to while gaming

[jagged snow]

Oh I know 🤣
He breaks things and blames the things he breaks with more consistency than anyone I've ever met

[gilded helm]

My Legion 7 would sound like an aircraft if Firefox had that sort of CPU usage. Totally quiet when using Firefox for as long as I've had it.

[gilded helm]

With Satis running I can't get Firefox CPU usage to even peak at 36% or close to it

[night girder]

I mean it peaks for me but then goes down 🤷‍♂️

With youtube video playing and having a game open.

[gilded helm]

Loading webpages on Ars Technica while a Youtube video is playing in another tab and Satis is running, I don't even see Firefox hit 10%

[night girder]

I do run a custom profile: https://github.com/yokoffing/BetterFox

[gilded helm]

I've had a Betterfox tab open for longer than I should probably admit, meaning to look into it. But I'm too satisfied with how it runs out of the box, in terms of speed.

[night girder]

it's easy to setup

[gilded helm]

Setup isn't the hard part, I just want to read more of what it does first.

[night girder]

I added a few custom lines:

// visit https://github.com/yokoffing/Betterfox/wiki/Common-Overrides
// visit https://github.com/yokoffing/Betterfox/wiki/Optional-Hardening
// Enter your personal overrides below this line:

/** SANITIZE ***/
user_pref("privacy.sanitize.sanitizeOnShutdown", true);
user_pref("privacy.clearOnShutdown.history", true);
user_pref("privacy.clearOnShutdown.formdata", true);
user_pref("privacy.clearOnShutdown.sessions", true);
user_pref("privacy.clearOnShutdown.cache", true);
user_pref("privacy.clearOnShutdown.cookies", true);
user_pref("privacy.clearOnShutdown.offlineApps", true);
user_pref("privacy.clearOnShutdown.siteSettings", false);

/** AUTO TRANSLATE ***/
user_pref("browser.translations.enable", false);
user_pref("browser.translations.autoTranslate", false);

You can visit the pages to see what the lines do.

[tough owl]

on my new laptop

[stray badger]

kwin is using more cpu than firefox rn

i think i use betterfox too

[stray badger]

"new"

[tough owl]

“New” to me

[stray badger]

third owner lol

[tough owl]

Gotta get my socks and cat ears ready

[safe trench]

https://youtu.be/26QHXElgrl8?si=OeNIDcvaledvPUG7 the sloppening is real

[stray badger]

oh god

[maiden coyote]

New lol

2nd or 3rd time new lol..

[tribal kraken]

My 9800X3D arrived to retailer, is now packaged and on its way. And I'm already tired of computers setting up software to new laptop 😵‍💫

[twin dew]

You can just send that CPU to me instead? 😜

[tribal kraken]

Been kind of busy as missed one week of "real" work because of the trip to China. But really looking forward to try it out. Watercooling downside is that swapping hardware is more work

[edgy hazel]

firefox does not give a fuck

give me all the shit at once

[glossy glacier]

is there more context?

[edgy hazel]

Yes

[tough owl]

Can you provide it

[edgy hazel]

No

[tough owl]

😦

When running doom entirely on the cpu wasn’t good enough

We start to run room entirely on the gpu

https://github.com/jhuber6/doomgeneric/tree/amdgpu

[soft bloom]

to encode a line in 3d space, you only need like 4 data points, right?

an example of absolute dogshit answer from Claude 3 Haiku:

[twin dew]

Two coordinates combos?

Like that says, 2 sets of 3 values, one for each axis.

Point 1 = X1, Y1, Z1
Point 2 = X2, Y2, Z2

[soft bloom]

first of all that gives infinite possibilities to encode the same line

i said of 4 data points, because that's just about fiding the distance from the line to some ambigous points (let's say, 0,0,0) and determining how it's rotated in the ortogonal plane

[twin dew]

No?
Like on 2D plane, you need two points for a line.

[soft bloom]

ok, sorry. i meant' infinite line

[twin dew]

As long as you are in Cartesian coordinate system.

[soft bloom]

aka it doesn't have ends

[twin dew]

No matter how many dimensions, you need two points to specify a line.

Even if infinite line.

[jagged snow]

Not neccecarily

[soft bloom]

I agree that it is a method to do it

but is it a good method? 🙂

[jagged snow]

You can define an infinite line with 5 values

3 axes for rotation and two for where it intersects a 2d plane

[soft bloom]

how did i miss fifth?

[soft bloom]

am i wrong about 4 values?

[jagged snow]

Afaik that's the least data you can represent it with

[twin dew]

And then you would need to specify that specific 2d plane somehow.

Which would add more

[jagged snow]

Yep
And lines which were nearly parallel to the plane would be rather imprecise even on full or double precision floats

[twin dew]

Or you mean combination of point and angles like in polar coordinate systems etc.

[jagged snow]

Three values for location, three for rotation

[twin dew]

Yeah, but this was on theoretical, not computer implementation.

[jagged snow]

Yeah

[jagged snow]

Although actually
Only need two rotations for a line

So still 5

And the idea with the plane would then be 4

[soft bloom]

that's good

[twin dew]

Lot of ways to do it in the end.
Just that cartesian coordinates and geometry in that is the common basic school one.
Rest are more for computer and scientific usage.

[soft bloom]

i like my idea because if 2 lines are somewhat alligned - their defining points will be close too.
i don't think that will work as well with the plane, when they cross it far from 0

[soft bloom]

fair
but i remember being asked something like this in school
aka, about how to encode something

I want to do a crazy thing - find when planets are kinda alligned

well actually goal is to find points in time when gravitational influence changes, but it sounds less fun and more complex...

[twin dew]

And why are you again trying to reinvent the wheel?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_period#Synodic_period

[soft bloom]

again? 🙂

[twin dew]

And then looking for how to calculate planetary alignments or similar.

[twin dew]

Several times you have been trying to do something common, and only later realizing there are ready made libraries for it.

[soft bloom]

well yeah I like the process of tackling the the problem from scratch
even if it quickly turns into finding a tool
because thinking how i would do it without external support can help choosing such support
and there's an opposite thing - finding tool first can open eyes on what else they can do, which is usefull in some cases

[soft bloom]

it's either cooking something so hard i don't understand, or completely bananas

[twin dew]

Because the texts that pulls from were advanced level?
And you are missing the basics to understand the stuff?
And need to actually start reading about geometry etc. from the basics first?

And not try to jump ahead with Artificial Idiots?

Because that is collage or early university level stuff IIRC.

[soft bloom]

the idea of using variable t was not expected for me. basically it gave an instruction on how to find all points on a line

[twin dew]

Because that is what a line is?
Infinite amount of points infinitely fine amount offset from each other?

And that was line as point and scalar vector representation, and getting any other point

[soft bloom]

well, yes... just not sure where it is usefull outside of computer graphics

it suggests solving equasion for 2 variables to find if lines intersect - kinda crazy

[twin dew]

Well, how else are you to find if the two lines have a shared point?

[soft bloom]

that's what i'm thinking now...

i mean, i'm unsatisfied with this (beyond method of comparison)

[pure karma]

reinstalled it and it does it without even touching anything or any settings so if its my fault then its something by default

[twin dew]

Because this is stuff that has no good resources for free on Internet.
Everything is either paywalled or physical.

So not part of any neural networks material, except completely random snippets on various pages.

[jagged snow]

Or it's something else about your system config

[soft bloom]

still not as bad as geology

[soft bloom]

Ok but I am not sure it's only about aligning sun earth and some third planet... Though that certainly seems like an event that can cause a stretch

[rustic panther]

Oh gods is it MagicZ tech support hour again?

[visual tree]

Pray he doesn't try to fix a faulty PSU and get killed by a capacitor....

Some people think 80 plus gold means PSU has gold and they try to disassemble it

[mental oriole]

Wait it's not 80% pure gold inside? Aww fudge...

[pure karma]

still waiting on that one

but i do have a victim for it

i cut the power cables on my first pc so i guess iv partially done it

but im tempted to try and fix it

even if its been basically outside for 8 years

and it dident even work 8 years ago to begin with

[mental oriole]

I've cut a plugged in cable (240V) with scissors. 👍

[pure karma]

i should specify... the pc as a whole not necessarily taking apart the psu and trying to fix it

[visual tree]

Great, my printer printhead (the one for ink tank systems) broke down 1 month after warranty expired....

Talk about planned obsolescence

[night girder]

Seems like Devoxx.

https://devoxx.com/

Developers conference.

[glossy glacier]

Nope, its from here.
www.welovespeed.com/en/2024/speakers/
Specifically the presentation of the first speaker

[night girder]

Yeah, I know.

Because it told me in the bottom right corner 🤣

But it looks like the same concept and goofiness.

Literally a clown on stage.

[south star]

how i look casting game of chaos and dying cause of a gambling addiction

[languid gulch]

🤣

every halloween i hook up my bass & guitar amps to my record player & break out Thriller, & it can feel like i'm doing that

[safe trench]

hmmm. dat funni.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1235007889463316563/1260418739782815804/attachment.gif

[mental oriole]

[pure karma]

i hit true 100% cpu ussage on something other than cinebench for the first time

[tribal kraken]

Video rendering, rebuilding point clouds. All the time 100%

Watercooled 13900k shines on that

[pure karma]

video rendering gpu pinned at like 90 yea but cpu dosent even budge like 30% at most on my 13700K

theres not much that can use the core count anymore

[mental oriole]

I hit 100% in my game engine when I add 1M objects. /shrug (debug mode)

[tough owl]

B580 looks decent. Too bad it draws a ton of power and Linux performance sucks

[languid gulch]

still tho, not bad for a 2nd gen, especially after how gen 1 came out

also, proving that 12gb vram is possible under $300 is a nice finger in nvidia's eye

oh. 190W. still not bad

[dire igloo]

Note that the power consumption benchmarks for HUB and TPU refer to total system power

[dire igloo]

Paired with a good encoder to piss off AMD

[languid gulch]

the power transient spikes that LTT found are kinda weird

but overall, yay

[pure karma]

honestly i might get one to replace my 1660 super so even if its not great it wont be a huge deal

[tough owl]

Yea that is weird too

[gilded helm]

Well, sure, but the B580 probably doesn't make money.

I have no idea what the time frame is, but at some point Arc needs to do what it's doing while having good margins.

[verbal raft]

TF IS THAT

[twin dew]

It couldn't talk with another part of itself or Windows via Remote Process Call

[verbal raft]

and it even deleted what i was extracting

(150gb)

[verbal raft]

is there a fix?

its happened 3 times already

[twin dew]

No idea, I have never had any problems on two computers so far.

Cannot know if this case is another problem between NanaZip and your Windows, or NanaZip/7zip and the specific archive file.

[jagged snow]

GDPR doing what it was meant to

[tough owl]

Who’s gonna sue Santa Claus

this isn’t miracle on 34th street

[languid gulch]

my dad made a good point on that: translating "we're not making money on this" is corporatese for "we're not making as much as we think we could have charged for it

[gilded helm]

It's a 4070 Ti sized die for $250 though. Even though it's 2 years later, I have a hard time believing they have good margins. Their price point is probably dictated by AMD/Nvidia, not by their own cost.

[soft bloom]

is there some good resource to get idea on how to normalize data series?

I am not happy with how it is for earthquakes...

on one hand - these are events that happen all around our sphere ball, acoustic waves from various processes happening in the crust and mantle.
with various longevity and energy release. but mostly some sharp change.

on the other - we observe it from a series of devices all around the sphere ball, each capable of monitoring large area (depending of power and quality of event)
each has its own sensitivity. and overall they produce inrcedible volumes of data, that are being analysed, and based on model of how waves should propagate - origins of those waves are found in data from thousands of devices

[soft bloom]

dude is cooking good stew
youtube.com/watch?v=1L-x_DH3Uvg
I Tried Making A Particle System

[sharp oasis]

It has fuel.

[tough owl]

Rip that starter

[pure karma]

been there, done that

[languid gulch]

last i knew you could keep a starter going for up to 15s, but idk about one that's 40 years old

[sharp oasis]

More like battery

The starter was replaced prior

So it's okay.

[languid gulch]

it did kinda sound like it was more struggling & fine

just not enough juice

[sharp oasis]

Battery was already old so

[languid gulch]

i could cheat with my dinky civic, anything bigger might have issues 🤣

could damn near hand crank that

[languid gulch]

it's finally kinda chilly out

[twin dew]

But that doesn't mean the fuel is getting to the cylinders.
Or that there is spark.
Or that starter is turning fast enough.

Doesn't sound like there is any burning happening.

Cannot know how low that starter speed is compared to normal, too high variance in car-to-car sound to say as I don't have enough experience.

But first thing would be to try with jumper cables to rule out that battery.

[languid gulch]

super cold battery loses amps like crazy

and i know on some old cars the spur gear on the starter motor is completely exposed

[twin dew]

Reason why CCA rating is much more important than Ah to car battery.

[languid gulch]

yup

at least gel batteries are way more common these days, those hold up better

[tribal kraken]

Reminds of my Impreza when doing gasoline to E85 conversion. Could not access all the cold start parameters for the stock ECU, was bit challenging to get it good for daily driving. But adding enough fuels solved it. fine tuning during the first winter, last tune did start in -21°C without any heating help

[wanton orchid]

I like motorcycle batteries

compact, protected
15-40kW peak

[tribal kraken]

oh yes, actually I'm just looking at Stark Varg EX new enduro model. 120kg/80hp pure electric offroad bike. Road legal with A1 licence in EU

There's motorcycle exhibition in Helsinki end of January. Most likely they have it on show there. Hopefully got time time to attend and try to get good deal to trade in my Husqvarna for one

[pure karma]

did it again

[twin dew]

And that Windows is the only OS you use on that computer?

Or did you boot into some Linux variant in meantime?

[pure karma]

i have linux on the drive aswell but i havent booted into it no

[soft bloom]

How many gamedev studios that had their own engine now moving to UE5?

i count CroTeam and CD Project Red

Subnautica 2 also is switching to UE5 from Unity

[mental oriole]

Unity 💀

[soft bloom]

well, yes, but also... Unkown worlds juiced it pretty good

[mental oriole]

Can't justify unity after what they did.

[soft bloom]

I just wonder if UE5 sold idea of their engine saving time so good
or it actually is what gamedev studios that do custom solution (on top of/inside) engines need from engine to make good games

*good in term of high fidelity

(i doubt it gets in a way of gameplay etc)

yet, considering that they cooperate with studios, this might actually be a good thing overall

like TSMC...

[willow pike]

creating your own game everyone from scratch is complete lunacy

john carmack said designing space rockets was easier

[mental oriole]

But fun!

[willow pike]

everyone needs some kind of middleware and the options are UE5, unity, or godot

godot isn't production ready for triple-A games yet, and unity lolmao

[twin dew]

Well, still couple of studio family specific engines around.

EA:s Frostbite as example.

[soft bloom]

take 2010s
there was like CryEngine
Croteam with SeariousEngine (check out photos from TTP1)
CD Red with RedEngine (no comment)
probably some many more examples of studios heavily modifying engines

oh, Respawn with modified Source

[twin dew]

Creation Engine still, when it should have been dropped or completely overhauled long time ago.

id Tech seems to still be alive too.

And Rockstar seems to be also continuing with their own RAGE

Unigine still exists and is being developed, not just lot of game side uptake.

Lot on professional simulator front for the visual side.

[soft bloom]

what if they don't release because can't match UE5's quality...

[willow pike]

id tech is doing very well in indiana jones, mandatory ray tracing and it runs flawlessly on everything

but i don't think it's available outside of id / bethesda / microsoft

[twin dew]

I did say those others were studio family specific.

[willow pike]

yeah, i meant before what's available for anyone to choose, hence why ue5 is so popular

[twin dew]

Well, Unigine isn't, but it isn't full spectrum engine and mostly just the graphics side.

If I understood correctly.

[willow pike]

though id tech does ray tracing so well that it's made me rethink how performance intensive it really is

indiana jones doesn't have FSR or XeSS yet i can maintain 100FPS 1440p on my 7900XTX

and it requires ray tracing

won't even run without it

all global illumination is done with it, no light baking at all

(and then there's a path tracing option that uses nvidia restir and performs like dogshit)

[soft bloom]

it must be an interesting challange to recreate hexbin map that has equal area of tiles (unlike here, where their size by degree is equal, but size get's wild closer to polars)

[willow pike]

www.reuters.com/technology/intel-executives-say-manufacturing-spinoff-is-possible-2024-12-12/

The two executives leading Intel (INTC.O), opens new tab after the ouster of its chief executive conceded on Thursday that the company may be forced to sell its manufacturing operations if a new chipmaking technology slated for next year does not succeed.

[twin dew]

And that would basically kill the product side too.

Those exec are just too ignorant to know.

[willow pike]

it would result in one good quarter

therefore they will do it

[twin dew]

And that separate foundry company would be basically dead, as Intel doesn't use "standard" tools, and the project to produce standards compatible stuff for other companies to use to design chips to be produced at Intel foundries is 2-3 years out.

To START designing, which then would take 1-3 more years to enter early production.

[willow pike]

yes exactly

[winged valley]

keenswh uses an inhouse engine called VRAGE

They're working on VRAGE 3 rn

[twin dew]

In Rockstars case that RAGE was just acronym of the full name.

[winged valley]

Pretty sure its the same for kswh

Voxel something

[soft bloom]

you know, when pandas DataFrame has 9bil rows, even adding a timestamp column that is a product of the other two takes really long time

[twin dew]

With stuff like that, exact query can make million time time difference.

Same end effect, gigantic execution time difference, based on how the command was written and done.

[soft bloom]

very true

[soft bloom]

that saved my day

also LLM helped with exact suggestion

now the moment to build gigantic plot and prey my PC doesn't blow up...

ok it was surprisingly smooth...

[stray badger]

They use UE now, apex is their last on source

Source 2 exists guys...

Activision also still uses a quake derived engine for cod

My old neighbor said about it: "slap enough bandaids on a cube and it becomes a sphere" (he worked there)

[night girder]

Wisdom!

[soft bloom]

never before ever i felt the need to render plot at 8k just to see tiny numbers...

[willow pike]

the quake family tree is long and venerable

this SVG did not work at all lmao

[night girder]

Heh, tremor is actually a cool name for a quake engine 😛

[mental oriole]

Light mode?

Because I couldnt se shit.

[mental oriole]

Barely use that feature

But ye that works

[night girder]

Well it was unreadable for me too in Discord 😉

[soft bloom]

youtube.com/watch?v=HhLQi_wZUDc
sweet useless project that has interesting implementation

[mental oriole]

No embed...

is it uuid?

[mental oriole]

Already watched. Great fun 😄

Only someone who watched the video would know the "sweet useless project with interesting impl"

[soft bloom]

is YT allowed here? I am too tired of message just disappearing when soemthing is not cool

[soft bloom]

well, tecthnically, this night i posted link here to a similarly useless project with interesting implementation, just not by Prime, but Prime watched Acerola before, so 🤞

[winged valley]

The tree has inconsistent rules for connections. That could be a game or an engine

[night girder]

let me check. It seems to be an engine mod:

Tremor is an updated Quake engine, base on JoeQuake. It is Win32 GL only. It encorporates much of the eye-candy of FuhQuake, with other improvements including MD3 support.

source: www.moddb.com/mods/tremor-engine

[winged valley]

Interesting

[night girder]

But I was thinking the same, some names are games.

[willow pike]

real intriguing that you can connect modern idtech (indiana jones, wolfenstein, doom) back to quake 3 back to quake through to half life through to portal 2 through titanfall and apex legends

and call of duty is in there too

this tree, plus everything unreal, would probably cover a huge majority of games

[stray badger]

I thought ID Tech 7 was a complete rewrite

[willow pike]

that would be insane

big changes for sure but you don't start from scratch

[soft bloom]

sometimes you do just get rid of tech debt 🙂

[willow pike]

not in game dev

[jagged snow]

I'd assume those are games with enough custom engine modifications to count as their own versions

[night girder]

Maybe yeah.

Wolfenstein: Youngblood is in the tree, but it's not an engine afaik? The engine it uses is id Tech 6.

So it's just games derrived of that engine. Because if you look at the node, it goes back to Tech 6. I think.

[pure karma]

PFFT i cant lie i knew i killed it but i dident think i killed it that hard lmao

i call that a job well done

[winged valley]

wtf did you do

[pure karma]

nuke the vram a couple years ago

[edgy hazel]

don't ask what MagicZ did with their GPU

[winged valley]

nah im asking

[pure karma]

cleaned it and decided to run occt and wel lyea

[winged valley]

how and why

[pure karma]

overclocking

[edgy hazel]

the "process" of that overclocking has been very well documented here

MagicZ does what MAgicZ does. And he does do break GPUs

[pure karma]

yes 20% core voltage+200MHZ core clock and +200MHZ memory clock = kaput

also it finally crashed at like 35 million not because it crashed but because occt ran out of normal ram lmao

this card is literally bulletproof i swear

[winged valley]

Sorry you added +20% to core voltage

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that a lot

I'm not an overclocker I know very little about simple OC's

[pure karma]

dident run at all at anything lower 🤷‍♂️ but yes probably quite a lot

dont know how rediculosu 1V is for a GPU but thats about what it was pushing

[rustic panther]

"Hi, why hasn't any value been added to our product in the last 3 sprints? Also, a customer called, they want this stupidass new feature in the next week" -Every manager, 20XX

[stray badger]

Tis missing the new indiana jones (idtech 7 and 8)

[sharp oasis]

The fuel drained back from the carb

So most of that cranking was probably refilling that

Then at the very end it probably was just starting to get fuel

[languid gulch]

i can't see your 7900 GRE tag and not think of the pepe REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[thick basin]

GF got me a new GPU for my birthday. Went from an RX 580 to a 7800 XT and it's been so amazing. Being able to play at high / max settings and get super good FPS

[timid stump]

200mhz 💀 for vram clock is insane tbh

[twin dew]

Well, the real permanent damage came from that +20% VCore

[rigid salmon]

anyways

I mean the only downside of a ryzen 5 5500 is that it doesnt have a lot of good features. like it really isnt too good

[twin dew]

Great memory controller and infinity fabric.
As it is monolithic APU die and not multi-die.
But that halved L3 really hurts.

[rigid salmon]

compared to what i run now a 12700kf. It honestly does seem better to run a custom loop than spend the money on worse hardware that cant perform as good

[rigid salmon]

yeah. halved L3 hurts so hard. the memory controller is stupid good

i run 8gbit bdie in my daily at 3800 cl14 which is amazing. I wanna test its potential at higher but im becoming limited with my memory controller on my 12700kf more than anything

I wouldnt mind sacarfising my bdie kit for something like a micron rev e kit in my daily. just tune it to your likings and make sure its 100% stable before going in to playing games and that

[rigid salmon]

Monolithic dies are also better for latency with memory as it doesnt have to go through 2 seperate dies just to be able to do stuff

pretty much these are my only options if i wanna go for a good memory controller

[willow pike]

https://youtu.be/K3ZHzJ_bhaI

gross

[mental oriole]

I wonder why...
Couldnt possibly be because it's called ray tracing...

[wanton orchid]

the noise have a name, it's called fake definition

[mental oriole]

Raytracing always had a noise problem

[wanton orchid]

remove aI and its no noise anymore

[mental oriole]

So nothing new.

[twin dew]

Not enough performance to cast enough rays, and then faking the output and that faking causes noise.

[mental oriole]

Raytrace by default has noise. I don't understand the point here?

[twin dew]

Because of bad implementation, because of too low GPU RT performance.

[mental oriole]

no

[twin dew]

Not enough rays per pixel, and then covering over that with bad emulation and interpolation.

[mental oriole]

I've been doing raytracing for years and it has always been a problem

Can't blame it on RT performance

[twin dew]

Because that "enough rays per pixel" is way above what anything current can realistically do.
Which is why current RT is still a gimmick, and will be for 10+ years in minimum.

[willow pike]

indiana jones doesn't have visible noise (to my eyes) so long as you don't use path tracing

like the only game i can say that's true for

totally different mindsets

machine games: "we're gonna optimise the fuck out of it, only use the effects we know we can afford, and mandate ray tracing to make development easier"

nvidia: "here's a ReSTIR .DLL that nobody can run at full speed and looks noisy as fuck but makes for pretty screenshots and will sell 4090s, then 5090s in a few months"

[twin dew]

But the very low light resolutiuon for that Indiana Jones normal RT (on left) explains why it is so performant:

[willow pike]

that's using regular shadow maps I believe

[twin dew]

Very stable, but that is done with those giant sized pixels, that then get some edge smoothing

[willow pike]

path tracing runs at 25% the frame rate

doing what you can with what you have is better than making pretty screenshots nobody can enjoy

[twin dew]

That is the base pixel of that normal RT in Indy:

[willow pike]

man, when I bought my 7900XTX, my choices were that for £1000 or a similarly performing 4080 for £1400

i made the right call

or wait for the 4070 ti which was a huge step down

imagine paying 40% extra for this shit

and a 4080 would still struggle!

[twin dew]

Because in some of the frames in that HUB video, there is extra lighted RT pixel, but it only lasts for few frames of the video:

[reef kayak]

why is it that every webacam has a built in mic?

[twin dew]

Because adding that is very cheap and expected feature?

And you don't have to use it if you don't want to?

[reef kayak]

fair but like

bruh

[mental oriole]

Don't use webcam. Easy

[twin dew]

Mine isn't connected when not needed.
Which is very seldomly.

The problem here is that even the 4090 can only sustain 6-8 rays per pixel per frame in complex scenes. There have been many UE5 demos at GDC demonstrating this. Therefore, denoising, TAA, and ray reconstruction is required. When we were implementing path traced renderers in college we demonstrated that you need ~1024 rays per pixel to produce a good image, and that is not even accounting for water/dirty glass or things with lensing effects. We would need a GPU about 100x more powerful than a 4090 for a noise-less path traced renderer.

[willow pike]

won't stop nvidia advertising path tracing as a reason to buy a geforce

[twin dew]

Basically the current solution is to cast that insufficient amount of rays, differently each frame, and then combine over time and denoise.

Causing various issues.

That Indiana Jones default RT just instead does the ray casting with gigantic pixels.

To get more rays per "pixel"

Or something like that, working at very low resolution at some point of the process.

[willow pike]

ray tracing is one ray per pixel with a deterministic bounce angle

path tracing randomises the bounce angle to simulate how diffuse materials work more accurately, and so requires shitloads of rays

this is a huge simplification but that's the gist of it

[twin dew]

And if you only cast one ray per pixel, you get tons of flickering etc. on movement.
Only enough for stills in any way or form.

And that is just for first hit, then you need to cast more rays from each hit point.

[willow pike]

nah we can solve it, hence why indiana jones is shockingly stable without dlss

you should give it a go

it's free on game pass

[twin dew]

And like I showed from those pics from the HUB video, on the normal RT, it uses very low resolution for the lighting.

[twin dew]

Change between two frames with static camera:

[willow pike]

it's good enough to allow them to not have any lighting compile step, or that shit where level designers put area lights in to fake it

[twin dew]

Yes, but the reason why it is so stable and performant is the very low resolution used, without temporal aliasing or denoising used.

[willow pike]

it's the best we can do right now

still looks better than lumen at similar performance

[twin dew]

Yup.
Almost everyone else tries to hide that low resolution with stuff, causing other issues.

[willow pike]

which I didn't think was possible

[soft bloom]

i have a weird annoying thing going on that can make me go crazy
i think it starts when there's a lot of Chrome open up (aka many tabs, heavy tabs, couple windows etc)
it starts lagging, often disregarding the input
especially noticebale with scrolling
it almost feels like when it's actively used it's fine, but even like couple seconds of breaktime will cause next interaction to shortly being, then freeze for about second, and then maybe continue, but most often disregarding anything that happened during that freeze time

[glossy glacier]

Sounds like Websites are swapped to disk?

[wanton orchid]

input drop
blame google and industry reatrded input management
and bad ram swap behavior

[soft bloom]

no way. RAM is no where close to maxing and swap I don't see any changes in swap usage

[soft bloom]

should i try turning off memory saving feature?

[wanton orchid]

if you have available ram, yes

the fact this is even on option is kind of stupid

it could detect if enough ram or not and dynamically adjust but no, this is static bullshit

[glossy glacier]

If you have enough free memory its probably an intetnal threshold, thus chrome is doing the swapping itself and it won't show in the OS swap usage.

Probably the memory saving feature yes

[soft bloom]

but should it even do anything with tabs that are active?
it's not like i switch to yet another tab every minute - mostly it's likt 5 active tabs

[soft bloom]

hmm, i switche from balanced to moderate and it seems to be fine now

thanks!

oh nvm it's still laggy

wait, is our planet oscilating like a giant slime ball being squised ?..

[wanton orchid]

you asked about "save feature" disable it
shutting down old tabs is not save but default behavior

[wanton orchid]

^

[soft bloom]

oh so this new thing only affects 'active' tabs?

i remember a while ago Chrome was marking tabs as inactive with some change of icon.
nowadays... all of them 'look' active. but are not even loaded

but hovering mouse over them makes Chrome load them, display tiny preview and later it add 'memory usage' line, without freaking chaning appearence of the tab (aka icon - no way to distinguish by glance)

[soft bloom]

I honestly don't get why it oscillates around zero
#off-topic-media message
meaning... they want to go closer and then further and so on

I mean, none of the objects accounted here 'can' get in between them, meaning that I should expect that at all times the difference (between g experienced by antipolar points) doesn't cross zero (always pointing in same direction) (i know it's not a vector since i didn't account for direction, but... it's true, right?!)

[stray badger]

denoising is pretty good now tho

even for offline rendering i only get up to a few hundred samples before its good enough

[twin dew]

Not really if you watch the examples in that HUB video for example.
Pretty horrible when compared side by side.
Some are just horrible, some are things you need to look out for, depending on game.

[stray badger]

228 samples in Cycles

[pure karma]

he ded

[twin dew]

Non-real-time still and realtime graphics are pretty separate things?

Point was that those realtime denoisers for insufficient ray counts all cause various issues.
Either from temporal aliasing done wrong, keeping data on movement.
Or just mushing everything until the temporal aliasing has enough data from staying still long enough.
Or other similar issues.

If that 228 samples basically means rendering the image 228 times and then combining, then that would be multiple seconds even at pretty high frame rates.

[willow pike]

the denoising step takes seconds

<-- I also blender

denoised cycles in the viewport does look like a pretty convincing ReSTIR game though

(this is not a compliment)

[twin dew]

And many of those example games are pretty good when still.
But just go mush with movement, and take about a second once still again to "catch up" by rebuilding that temporal aliasing to high enough degree.

[willow pike]

also modern cycles is doing some pretty wiggy stuff with optimising where to put its samples, there's a lot of pre processing going on that doesn't really translate over to "you have 10ms for the whole thing, go"

[twin dew]

Some others kept that aliasing even on movement, which then caused lights "lagging"

Character in example video moving side to side and lighted areas wiggling significantly with that compared to the light source.

[willow pike]

inb4 nvidia brands it rolling shutter

[tough owl]

not the blahaj

[stray badger]

he not ded

he prop

[tough owl]

mans making his own prop hunt game

[stray badger]

no im just modelling random things

[willow pike]

why isn't it spinny

[stray badger]

my friend 3d printed it in the trans flag colors which was pretty cool

[stray badger]

cause thats a still image

[willow pike]

blahaj go spin

[stray badger]

its actually rigged too, i wanted to practice rigging and it made sense to give artistic control over how it flops

[vernal saffron]

Can anybody help?

When loading into a save I crash completely with this

[twin dew]

#1038092680493801533 Specify also what CPU and GPU

[soft bloom]

Getting obsessed
Just why?

(Ok so now i realize that technically moon can pull them together/inwards on it's own. But that must be such a tiny window of relative positions ... )

[willow pike]

hell yeah

[soft bloom]

the weirdest feel it gives when I don't let go of scroll... wheel? bar? idk. anyway, even if i keep holing the scroll thingy, and pause for couple seconds to read, and then continue, it still does that shit when it does as told for split second and freezes, and then maybe does the last bit i told it to disregarding input in between

also it gives away when playing video - I can unpause, with audio playing, but picture will stay the same.
i think it got worse in the alst couple days
rn i just booted system 20 minutes ago and got fed up from this...

[jagged snow]

Alright y'all

I've got a problem twisting my brain

What's a feasibly effecient way to calculate the number of combinations between 0xFFFFF and 0xFFFFF00000 that have exactly 6 bits set?

Other than looping through roughly a trillion values and doing a population count on all of them

[wanton orchid]

apparently it's called the star fences

[soft bloom]

set you mean that from N bits only 5 of them are 1 (not 0)?
why between 0xFFFFF and 0xFFFFF00000 ?

(that's hex, with 20 to 40 bits, so I wonder...)

[wanton orchid]

it's factorial

[wanton orchid]

iirc
combination is
(m+n)!
/(n! * m!)
with n the different kind of symbols, and m the maximum number of them
7 and 40 in your case
this includes lower numbers though
so then you would remove the lower limit
- (7,20)
I think that likely works
}edited : 7 instead of 6 because there is 7 "volumes" (pack of unset bits) around 6 "fences" (set bit)

62003469 apparently

or maybe I confused bounds of what need to be included and excluded which may mean it really is 6 (instead of 7)

(here every pack "grows" up to 40, but then the last one fill and must not be included in calculations
also maybe it's 40-6 and 20-6 then instead of 20 and 40)

my use case was different so the pov was too

[soft bloom]

am i crazy for wanting to compute as vectors, and now for 6 points (2 poles, 0,0 and its 90 lat rotations) and somehow visualize how they change relative to each other to see if it actually is vobbling...

[wanton orchid]

this would make it 3799620 instead
which sounds ok

[wanton orchid]

ok I re valid 6 and 40/20 -6 is the correct evaluation

(maximum number of packed 0s is 40/20 -6, and we only count growing packs before the 1s, so last fill "pack" is not included so it's 6 packs, especially for removing the lower bound 20bit combinations)

[soft bloom]

Diving into rabbit hole of parallel computations...

Now is the time to plan "what" and then ask "how"

[wanton orchid]

did I make you leave or something ?

[jagged snow]

Nope, I've been pondering it for a while now

Spent a while thinking about it last night

[languid gulch]

i found a fun bug in BG3

well, not fun. extremely annoying

1 specific item, on mouseover, will CTD the game

can't even sell it to get it out of my inventory

managed to find a bypass: switching to a party member lets me sell it "remotely"

[stray badger]

huh

[mental oriole]

?

[soft bloom]

getting 200 status on streaming GET response is kinda evil

[mental oriole]

200 OK
{
"Status": "404"
}

I've seen those...

[soft bloom]

heheheheheheh

but nah. i am talking abou when server says its 200, streams it, and then something times out...

[mental oriole]

Those are just as evil.

Tbh never seen one myself...

[soft bloom]

i only once wrote server with custom error codes to reflect business stuff BECAUSE frontend lib couldn't handle anything but 200 status code

(also i do mean custom error codes for stuff unrelated to networking)

yet it had siilar symptom of
200
{ok:false, error: {msg: "i'm on fire"}}

those were fun second year times...

[mental oriole]

If only there were error codes for errors

[soft bloom]

also custom proxy written with aiohttp to pass requests between raspberry pi 🙂

[soft bloom]

at least we are talking about operating withing HTTP

[tribal kraken]

Gaming PC 2025 stage one.

[winged valley]

Put a gt1030 in it

[tribal kraken]

Have to go with the old trusty liquid cooled 4090 until next generation

[winged valley]

"trusty 4090 until next generation" you're a bleeding edge gamer arent you

I'm fine with my 3080ti until ryzen 11000 and radeon 8000/9000

[tribal kraken]

Gaming is a side hobby I wish I had more time to do. Building PCs also but more use them for work and more performance means more gets done and more time to play.

Will see if the AMD v-cache lives to the hype in my use. 5950X was a big disappoinment for me while 12900k and 13900k do really well

[winged valley]

I think you'll notice a difference with it

[twin dew]

For gaming, not for number crunching probably.

[rustic panther]

Oh the humanity! :^)

For gaming, I really like my 5800x3d, so I'd reckon that the same idea but newer is just as good :V

[tribal kraken]

Yeah, really like how they perform on Simracing, too bad very few Satisfactory benchmarks. Or Farming Sim 😄

[wild canopy]

5950x wasn't the best option if gaming is priority

[rain crystal]

is this a good build and can somoene give a videocard that is good for this build my budget is somewhere from 800 to 1000 euro

[visual tree]

I'm glad I made a good decision 2 years ago when buying an ink-tank printer with separate printhead instead of an integrated one. Burned myself on Epson when I bought a printer with integrated printhead more than 7 years ago

Since replacing integrated printheads (the ones that are installed in the printer) is much more expensive than buying a cartridge with an integrated printhead

[twin dew]

Well, usually you cannot get replacement part at all.
I had fix one at one point.

[visual tree]

The only problem is that I bought HP (yes, you can roast me 😅 ) but at least I fixed the printhead problem by buying a new one for €16

If It was epson, you would have to disassemble the whole printer and there is no guarantee there are still replacement parts on the market like you mentioned

That's the main catch with ink-tank systems, they are much cheaper if you want to print a lot of documents but you need to make sure the printer you are buying has a separate printhead which is integrated in the cartridge or else you might be in trouble

[twin dew]

Just need to print a nozzle test each month or so.
Up to 6 months in some models between needing, depending on how good seal there is when stored.

My mother had forgotten to do it for a time, and some of the nozzles were too clogged.
So I had to do that total disassembly and use isopropanol to clean the head, then do lot of cleaning cycles to finish.

[visual tree]

Cannon and HP are selling models with separate printheads and I think some Brother models also have separate printheads

Epson on the other hand, not sure if they even have printers with separate printheads....

[twin dew]

Wasn't thing back when that was bought.
Either printheads in the ink cartridges, or integrated.
And the ink for the ones with printheads in cartridge are way more expensive.

As you are replacing the heads every time too.

And then need calibration after each cartridge change too.

[visual tree]

Yeah, HP has been selling cartridges with integrated printheads for 10 years or more if I am correct

[twin dew]

That was the old type, which then moved to cheaper and cheaper models only.

With integrated heads taking over.

Good if those integrated heads are starting to be replaceable if needed.

[visual tree]

My biggest mistake was buying a regular HP printer (not ink-tank) around 10 years ago. I think I paid only €100 for the printer but €600 for the cartridges lol

[twin dew]

Color laser master race! (If you don't need to print photos)

[visual tree]

Perhaps my next printer is going to be monochrome laser printer since I really don't need to print in color anymore

[twin dew]

That mothers printer was specifically selected for photo printing on cheap end, with two extra colors for that.

Or was it two extra colors + photo black.
Don't remember if the best is three colors + photo black, or two + black.
One less than the best ones.

[visual tree]

I always loved the office Konica Minolta. Used to call them "the space shuttle" of all printers 😄

Although I don't want to know how much they cost, bet the minimum is €2000 or €3000

I've seen people talking bad things about Konica Minolta. Guess I was lucky to work on a good model then

Although I heard they have issues with the stapler

We have Lexmark in the office and I hate it

The smaller one has paper jam all the time and the auto feed scanner sometimes pulls multiple papers instead of only one at a time

[soft bloom]

this is good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02rh1NjJLI4

[edgy hazel]

hey @twin dew u know stuff. Would PC air cooling be better if I add a shitton of copper particles into the air?

[languid gulch]

sticking the fins into mineral oil would be better

[sharp oasis]

I love automation

[languid gulch]

new mustang?

[sharp oasis]

My freind calls it "the astron Martin Hennessey stole"

[languid gulch]

it's like if ferrari built a mustang

[sharp oasis]

3.9L V10 goes funny

[sharp oasis]

I see it yeah

[languid gulch]

at least from the side/rear

front is aston martin for sure, those lights give it away

[sharp oasis]

Rear lights fit decently I see the side profile and rear is more of that of a mustang

[rustic panther]

Market?

[rustic panther]

Oh shit it's the car game! I love that game (but I stopped playing it until the forced induction update comes out)

[sharp oasis]

There is turbos but no superchargers and I'm a bit disappointed but it's still very fun

[rustic panther]

Yeah all of that is coming next update :V

[sharp oasis]

Oh hell yeah

Supercharged V10 next update

[rustic panther]

Twinchargers too :D

[sharp oasis]

The turboed version already makes. Way too much power

That's the one on the car in the vid.

The upgraded one trades a bit of hp for AWD and it helps tons

The V8 model of This car still also rips at like 948hp

[pure karma]

except automation is just a car creator for BeamNG so you may aswell just enjoy beamNG

[rustic panther]

Time to post some screenshots :^)

[sharp oasis]

The V6 model is kinda gutless compared to the v8, V10 but still respectable at like 467hp

The V10 has so much power you can up shift wile doing doughnuts

And it will just deal with it

[rustic panther]

The last hurrah of pre-malaise era US motoring, lemme see if it still loads properly

nope

[sharp oasis]

I have really no idea what I made it's kinda a combo of everything

Astron Martin + Ford + lexus and a bit of F1 DNA in there

[pure karma]

seems like a whole lot of death machine

[sharp oasis]

It's actually suprisingly manuverable

At least up to about 280kph

Above 280 your turn radius is not great

It won't kill you but sure as hell it will be a rough ride. It's built to race. Not really be a street driver

So suspension is hella stiff.

[rustic panther]

Tried to take a screenshot of another car

My PC didn't like the rt preset anymore :V

@sharp oasis Managed to get it to not crash :V

and from the back

Right, back to tech stuff, before I yap on about my fake cars for hours :V

[sharp oasis]

Brooooo thats amazing

[rustic panther]

thamks

[edgy hazel]

Getting Oled 1440p instead of IPS 4k was 10000% worth it

[edgy hazel]

IPS? More like "I'm Peeping SHIT"

[soft bloom]

I think my chrome wants me dead

i am not even doing anything and it freaks out

[soft bloom]

Pandas has categories
they are supposed to help with categorical data, save memory
but they can be evil in worng application
basically, as you get views of dataframe, even if column doesn't contain some values that it's parent did, it will keep index of possible values
and PLotly (plotting lib) uses it in some cases
I had category with ~4k values (that's better than 5mil strings)
and because Plotly was putting all of them into the Figure's HTML, and because of some other weird rendering shit, browsers were crazy with it

[tribal kraken]

My car does not have 1000hp, but it can make dirt bike track on the frozen lake. As the weather finally seems to allow it

[cyan crescent]

Are there any good brands with a laptop that has an AMD CPU and GPU?

[tough owl]

Framework 16

[cyan crescent]

Kinda expensive

[twin dew]

Microsoft: Documentation must formatted for LLMs and not humans:
https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/WSL/pull/2021#issuecomment-2546627586

[stray badger]

Asus does sometimes

AMD doesnt ship many gpus to laptop oems

[atomic fossil]

Anyone here have a B850

[twin dew]

B850 what?

Only current product I can find is GE Carescape B850 specialist monitor for healthcare.

[atomic fossil]

Oh shoot b580 new intel gpu

[pure karma]

probably not yet even if some did order it

[night girder]

Do you have framework?

[tough owl]

I don’t

[gilded helm]

Slim pickings. Always has been, unfortunately. When I bought the Zen3/Ampere laptop that I have now, there was a one single Radeon 6800M laptop out there, but dozens of Nvidia 3080 options. Things are better now, but not much.

That was 2021. In 2022 there were some more. But not many.

[rustic panther]

Good ending

[soft bloom]

working with astronomy, really makes you question space and time

[languid gulch]

dumbest product stratification ever. videocardz is reporting that 5060 will be 8gb, 5060Ti 16gb

[tough owl]

Man I do not miss the days of having 20mbit internet

[jagged snow]

I cannot believe that a 60 tier card with a 2025 launch still has 8gb of ram

[tough owl]

Isn’t it lovely 🤑

[jagged snow]

Incredibly happy on rdna2 still

[tough owl]

im gonna buy an egpu dock for my thinkpad

and use this as my main pc

[languid gulch]

who'd have guessed the most valuable company's motto would be "you'll eat our shit & you'll like it!"

[tough owl]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1116057713504419841/1318778818428796928/c2ALNi2.png

it works

[twin dew]

Was rejected and closed for comments when I posted.

But seems the dev side then threw it back up inside MS and got the decision reversed.

[languid gulch]

got a question: why do some apps, when opened, not like to appear in task manager until you restart task manager

[twin dew]

In Processes, or also in Details?
And if Processes, have you checked they aren't lower down in the Background processes and just not in Apps?

[languid gulch]

under fewer details

[twin dew]

So even more limited Processes

[languid gulch]

i just find it weird, & mildly annoying. it's a game, and the fastest way out of it is just hard killing it from tskmgr, but i have to remember to reopen tskmr to get to it

[twin dew]

So just filtering gone too far.

[languid gulch]

just wish i could get it to show up on startup. it used to do that

[twin dew]

I have never used that mode, as it is so useless.

And seems Windows 11 doesn't even allow you to return to it...

[languid gulch]

ew

[visual tree]

I hate managing server access and folder permissions for vendors at my company...

Vendor: Help, I can't acces your company server because I changed my email address!

Me: I will change your email in our system but you can still access the server with your username which is not related to email

Vendor: Oh, in that case, I forgot my password!

They needed to access the server asap and I had to contact IT and beg them to reset the password in like 10 minutes....

[viral slate]

Hey.
Is there an specific reason they used UE for this game?

It's archaic

[twin dew]

What is archaic?

[viral slate]

But is there a specific reason like, I don't know, the belts or moving parts?

[twin dew]

Because the studio had always only used UE.

In their previous games.

[viral slate]

Yeah. Figures that's why UE has such a monopoly nowadays. Low budget studios and indies have to use it, and high end studios just cut corners within corners

Almost all games nowadays exclusively use UE for a reason.

I honestly never had any engine crash so much and run so poorly like UE games do.

Though I can understand the ease of handling.

[twin dew]

If UE games are crashing on you, you have either major OS or hardware problem in your system.

Most likely unstable RAM XMP.

[viral slate]

I'm playing MGSV on medium and it runs at around 60 fps without visual bugs or crashes of any type.
I run any new game that uses UE literally forces me into potato.

[twin dew]

Or other overclocking/undervolting if you have done any.

[viral slate]

Not to mention the disgusting ghosting effect.

I'm not saying UE is absolute shit, as much as I want to said it, but it's clearly the underlying symptom of something.

[twin dew]

That your computer has some issue that only UE games trigger.

[viral slate]

Last time I used that shit it almost bricked my pc

Funny thing is.
My friend had a laptop that he installed nvidia app on.
It melted the vents

Literally

He was playing RDR2 with it on the background

Don't ask me how

RDR2 optimization was worth every whiplash on Rockstars dev's backs.

d3?

It's still alive?

PF checks out

Ahh

Diablo 3!

My mind thought it was Diablo 4.

[viral slate]

Doesn't that mean there's an actual problem with it, or the games that use it?
The only engine that causes so much crashes and visual bugs?

[twin dew]

Because marginally stable HW needs specific load profiles to trigger.
And all UE games have pretty similar load.

Still HW problem.
Or can be driver problem etc.

[viral slate]

All drivers are up to date.

[twin dew]

Which means nothing.

Nvidia GPU drivers for example have lot of ways they get corrupted in ways that updating doesn't help to fix.

And their Clean Install and Uninstall are almost completely useless.

[viral slate]

Yeah.
i've heard of people having to manually install them from BIOS because of some bullshit that would brick the PC

hello?

They sacrificed FPS for file size?
How much was it? 20gb?

[twin dew]

But if you have crashes that yield crash logs in Satisfactory, make #1038092680493801533 thread and include one of them, copied as text (attachment), and include CPU, RAM speed, GPU.

[viral slate]

I remember a guy that proved that, while UE had some underlying issues, it also had something to do with game devs either not having time/freedom (executives making absurd deadlines) to optimize the game, not being experienced enough in it (the era of making everything in Unity has left it's scars), toxic/arrogant.
Mainly the first.
This game, by all means, runs really good for it's details and how many things are constantly moving, loading, etc.

Ironically, Epic's Fortnite runs like shit despite being UE's baby.

Though that may be because Fortnite itself is a UE test ground.

[twin dew]

On your computer, or in general?
Because in general it runs on very shit HW very well?

AFAIK

[viral slate]

The game? In general.
I've managed to run it on a GT 1030 with a HDD.

Oh. Yyou meant Fortnite

THen yes. Fortnite runs like shit in general.
Ironically, it's also the game i've seen with the least optimization/worst polish.

[rustic panther]

I thought so too yeah

[viral slate]

Doesn't help that nowadays companies just say "upgrade your hardware" when their game runs like shit.
You know which company I'm talking about

It does

Like. I die at the start of the match, just after dropping, and it reloads the entire map all over again.
Not just that part that i've died at. THe entire map.

[twin dew]

Question was:
Does it run like shit for you.
Or for everyone.
AFAIK it isn't like that for most.

Because you seem to continually blame the engine for something wrong with your computer.

For last hour or so.

[viral slate]

Those "most" usually have good hardware (RTX40 series or latest 30 series)

[viral slate]

Noo.
I blamed companies that use it to cut corners

[twin dew]

No?
I have set up it to be played on computer with RX200-series card.

But that was couple of years ago, so no idea how it is now with UE5.

[viral slate]

That explains it

[twin dew]

But still, more likely it is Nvidia GPU driver problems when game changes UE versions.

[viral slate]

The game went to absolute shit in about a year

[twin dew]

Which don't affect people with new computers, as they never had Nvidia GPU drivers optimized for the old game versions installed.

[viral slate]

You, me, they.
We are biased by nature

[twin dew]

Which I really think is broken Nvidia drivers and not the game.
Same happened with Satisfactory both on change from U7 to U8 and U8 to 1.0 for lot of Nvidia users.
Where the Nvidia GPU drivers need complete DDU cleanup and reinstall to fix driver side issues.

[viral slate]

You are biased in that you don't see anything wrong with the engine, I'm biased in that it's the only engine I have problems with, they etc

[viral slate]

So you suggest a clean install (manually) of Nvidia drivers?

[twin dew]

And basically all the cases of that kind of behavior have been computer side problems.

[viral slate]

Would it get rid of the disgusting blurry ghosting effect?

[twin dew]

No, I already said earlier that that Clean Install doesn't do anything.
You need to clean up with DDU, and then manually reinstall.

[twin dew]

That is upscaling, which is enabled by default.

[viral slate]

Yeah. That's what i meant

[viral slate]

YOu are shitting me

[viral slate]

Where do I disable it?

[twin dew]

For Satisfactory: Options, Video, Upscaling Method to None.

[viral slate]

If only new games didn't fuel the hate with terrible optimization.
For example, Stalker 2 has been reported to have many issues with ghosting effect on grass and shit, along with shadows flickering.

[twin dew]

Shadow flickering is Satisfactory problem too.
Optimization gone too far and "hidden" by that temporal aliasing when upscaler is on.

But in turn that upscaler causes other issues like blurring, ghosting etc.

But basically all the upscalers WILL ghost if something doesn't have motion vectors because of that temporal aliasing.

Using previous frames to construct the current one.

[viral slate]

I've heard of Upscaling being used a lot in place of optimization.

[viral slate]

Was disabled, but switching form TAA to FXAA got rid of it.

The legacy of "But can it run crysis" continues today thanks to half baked UE5

[twin dew]

Yeah, TAA is Temporal Anti-Aliasing, again using previous frames.

It is very splitting thing, some cannot see the issues, some just cannot tolerate it.
Same with FXAAs artifacts.

[viral slate]

Would that also get rid of blurryness on foliage?
I've got Sons of the Forest gifted by a friend (he needed the steam store points) and the blurriness in the foliage is killing my eyes

[twin dew]

No idea, you would need to test and see.

[viral slate]

By foliage I mean the plants, leaves, bushes

Its bad for simple textures or things that require no optimization/are already well optimized.

It doesn't look worse.
The problem is games nowadays just slapping upscaling and shit to make up for shitty optimization/no time for optimization which does end up hurting quality a lot.

I remember a guy did a video because a lazy dev was salty about being called out and dared him to optimize a theater like place to run x3 times better without hurting quality.
First thing the guy noticed. THe floor, a flat surface, was filled with polygons. Apparently, the mosaic floor was multiple pieces.
Then it was the fact that the lights and shadows outside the point of view and outside the place (it had a backyard like place) were also being rendered despite at all times

Something about the range parameters for the lights being insanely huge.

And so forth

I think the only thing that he left unchanged was the pillar's ends because it wasn't that bad compared to the rest of the place

And they were greek style pillars.

Corinthian type

That shit is as old as my sister

If it released in march, then it may be actually as old as my sister

?

Honestly. Hope Intel doesn't fumble with their new GPU's.
I really want to make the joke of running a AMD CPU with a Intel GPU

So far, I've only seen praise for it.
But it's Intel we are talking about.

They love fumbling

Nop.

But he looks like a scam artist from just the google images

[willow pike]

it's not molyneux?

interesting

[willow pike]

you are more correct than you could ever know

[twin dew]

The master of overpromising and underdelivering

[viral slate]

Isn't that called gaslighting?

[twin dew]

And the stupid thing is, the end results are usually pretty good, just not anywhere near the promises.

[twin dew]

Just promising the heavens publicly when game is under development, and then having to tone down the scope a lot to actually deliver.

[willow pike]

tell that to godus, milo, or that NFT game he's working on

[twin dew]

Time and time again.

[willow pike]

populous the beginning was great

[twin dew]

Still delivering good game usually, just with much smaller scope.

Basically problem of publicly talking about the game he WANTS to make, early in development, and not about the game that then actually can be done.

[viral slate]

So Todd Howard

[willow pike]

him showing up at gamescom was like a jump scare

[twin dew]

Not anywhere near to same degree from Howard.

[viral slate]

"It just works"

[willow pike]

you know what to expect from Howard, skyrim/fallout with a new skin

[twin dew]

And like I said, the games Molyneux finished where usually pretty good even in the "stripped down from original hype" state they finished.

[willow pike]

molyneux will disappoint you in new, huge and fascinating ways

[twin dew]

Unlike the messes Howard releases.

[twin dew]

That too, always something new as target, and not doing the same thing over and over again.

[willow pike]

bethesda haven't made a new thing in like 15 years

i do generally believe man's reach should exceed his grasp but molyneux goes way too far

[viral slate]

"Why are we still here. Just to suffer"

[willow pike]

what even is godus

[twin dew]

Peter Molyneux god game released as Kickstarter and then as Early Access game, that never got finished.
Which again had insane promises which it never filled.

[willow pike]

yes i know

i backed it

i was there

i still can't tell you what it is

yeah pretty much, it does everything godus does but better

[twin dew]

Ok, sorry, misunderstood the line.

[viral slate]

Imagine the best game your studio made, which you had next to no involvement with, had 18 months of development, and it still is considered peak writing/replayablility

[willow pike]

is coo

[viral slate]

Who wants to bet that Nvidia's 5060 will release with 8gb of vram

at 400$

MSRP

[willow pike]

it will, and it'll have a 16GB version for $550

[viral slate]

Those are rookie numbers.
AMD charged around 70$ extra for 16gb of vram and basically same performance.