off-topic-tech

[twin dew]

Ah, that was requirement, missed it.

[night girder]

wifi adapters aren't that expensive are they?

[twin dew]

And ARLT seems to offer fully custom too, or might be able to change the MB to one with Wifi etc. when asked.

[glossy glacier]

ARLT system plus this?
www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Gigabyte-GC-WBAX200-PCIe-x1-WLAN-Adapter_1335410.html

[twin dew]

But again for fully custom, 150e extra.

[glossy glacier]

should be easy enough to install

[buoyant orchid]

good to know ill head there soon thx

[twin dew]

Mainly online store, but if you live near, warranty work is so much simpler.

[dire igloo]

QLC SSD, tho good QLC
not a fan of the CPU pick cuz it locks you into AM4 with nowhere to upgrade to
rest is fine tbh, tho idk if 1k EUR is a good price for it

[twin dew]

Yeah, problem is that AM5 adds too much cost with proper GPU etc.

[dire igloo]

shit SSD

[dire igloo]

that ultimately depends on usecase tbh

also I can't judge Endorfy's quality at all. I checked the Supremo FM5 and Kitguru review looks to be good

[jagged snow]

Windows file transfer is so painful

I've been waiting over 5 minutes for this to even start copying

[dire igloo]

Arlt gives zero info on the PSU they used which is a big red flag

[jagged snow]

It's just stuck here 💀

[glossy glacier]

yeah, small files suck. compress, copy, extract

[jagged snow]

I may do that 😄

[twin dew]

And in this case using Alternate.de as source would be better for warranty anyways.

But their preconfigured systems in the right price range are crap.

[twin dew]

Yeah, no where near perfect system.
But only one with good set of CPU, RAM and GPU in about right price range.
But yes, PSU can be anything (but as the computer has actual warranty, I wouldn't expect them to use the absolute bottom of the barrel stuff), and the 16GB RAM could be more.
And of course the drive has been skimped on to absolute worst you can basically get.

Same as basically any prebuild that isn't made-to-order.

And that seems to raise the price a lot in Germany compared to that one, by hundreds of euros for same set of components.

[glossy glacier]

made-to-order can't guarantee that everything works together. so they raise the prices to cover the possibly higher number of waranty cases

[dire igloo]

too lazy to whip up Geizhals or PCPP now to make an actual 1k EUR list rn

[twin dew]

Problem is that system completion, that seems to be about 120-150e depending on place.

[glossy glacier]

prebuilt/finished build is a requirement. so a pure part list won't work

[twin dew]

And that specific system is somehow cheaper for the parts than getting them separately, even leaving the OS and building costs out of it.

[glossy glacier]

cause the don't charge tax for every part, just the finished product

[twin dew]

Also volume etc. which might get some of the parts under normal prices for fixed setup.

[dire igloo]

if you live near me, it just costs providing me with food/drinks and being a likeable person who's willing to learn

[twin dew]

Not me, somewhere north of Frankfurt it seems for the OP

[glossy glacier]

also a factor yes

[dire igloo]

plenty people that are willing to build either for free or a low extra

[edgy hazel]

@dire igloo final exam on wednesday

after that only project doc and presentation but that's ez

[dire igloo]

Viel Erfolg und gutes Gelingen

[edgy hazel]

with luck end of january I'm gonna be officially an IT system engineer

[dire igloo]

nice

[edgy hazel]

can't wait to never use any of the stuff I learned ever in the real world.

[stray badger]

hooray!

[verbal raft]

unrelated but i'm finlly done with my stalker 2 testing

and i guess the RX6600 is now a 720p card

[verbal raft]

slight edits

[willow pike]

given the devs were in Ukraine when the you-know-what happened I can't really be mad at them for not fully optimising it

[twin dew]

Seems mainly that they didn't include any real low resolution textures at all.
So if you don't have at least 8GB, or possibly more, VRAM, you are fucked.

Missing the VRAM numbers for medium and low in that file.

[verbal raft]

yeah i forgot about them

[willow pike]

easy fix

[twin dew]

Especially is UE5 in general has that possible "care about whole system VRAM usage" idiocy in it, with current various background programs VRAM usage.

[night girder]

wtf? testing on an unoptimized gfame like stalker 2? 😒

[verbal raft]

though when i was testing low/medium i saw 6000mb on medium 55xx on low if i remember corectly

[twin dew]

So with the normal UE limitations, even with Low textures, anyone with 6GB card is fucked.

[night girder]

its like testing Cyberpunk when it got released. Madness. Test are garbish.

[twin dew]

But that UE5 thing where when it would go over the internal limits, it drops FPS to that 5-15 FPS stable value, where the exact one depends on the system, would explain the stuff around.

For VRAM usage, with those VRAM usage numbers.

Basically lot of GPUs just don't have enough VRAM to work properly even on Low textures.
And it would be even worse with any Electron apps on background etc.

[verbal raft]

smooth steady garbage

perf

[twin dew]

And as UE does that before the VRAM is actually full, not easy to know about.

[verbal raft]

that is also what i meant when i wrote: does the game break?:

[twin dew]

So many people even with Satisfactory 1.0 who just couldn't accept their FPS dropping to that low value after changing biomes is from trying to use too high textures for their VRAM.

As any actual monitoring doesn't show the VRAM as being full, as UE is just doing self-fuckery based on internal stuff.

Before the VRAM is actually full.

[verbal raft]

its also been pretty anoying that i have to wait for the shaders to compile every time i start the game

im gonna test medium and low while actully paying atention to the VRAM utilization

[stray badger]

from the tests i saw, stalker uses about 8gb of vram on average at 1080p high textures iirc

so dropping texture settings should allow for an 8gb card to do fairly well

[twin dew]

Testing with high VRAM card isn't really usable.
As properly coded game will use as much VRAM as it can, if there is any available.

[verbal raft]

in the little settlement yes,but in the wilderness no..

[stray badger]

i see

[night girder]

but the game isn't optimized if you read internet 😒

[twin dew]

And for UE5 on 8GB card, it will only use max 6.5GB of VRAM, ever, if the engine isn't modified.

[stray badger]

i would test myself but i have 16gb of vram so it isnt that useful

[stray badger]

really? i have used UE5 and it has absolutely used more than that

[verbal raft]

7900GRE right?

[stray badger]

yeah

[twin dew]

For system total?
Or the game itself?

[stray badger]

editor

[twin dew]

By default UE4 and UE5 in release build only use max of 81% of dedicated VRAM.

[stray badger]

that makes sense, expecting people to have discord and chrome open

[twin dew]

Well, ask Windows for a number, that seems to usually be 90% of VRAM, and then multiplies that by 0.9, to get internal limit.

[verbal raft]

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[twin dew]

And then texture usage max is 70% of that 81%.

[stray badger]

this did confuse me as ue5 has support for shader cache

[twin dew]

Doesn't make sense, as the engine does very stupid shit to not have GPU driver manage RAM as VRAM, and tanks the performance much worse than letting the GPU driver to do its thing as it likes.

And that limit has been there since first UE4 version.

[stray badger]

maybe its a leftover console thing

[verbal raft]

but the GPU driver puts that stuff into system ram when it has to

[verbal raft]

maybe

[stray badger]

i cant think of a reason why they would do that otherwise

[twin dew]

Were just paranoid about going over VRAM in past.
And haven't refactored since, after that has not made any sense anymore.

[stray badger]

maybe gpu drivers were bad at managing it back in 2013/2014

[twin dew]

And doubled down in UE5.
In UE4, with DX12, the engine would just crash when it hit those internal limits.
In UE5, with DX12, it starts to manually swap stuff every frame.
On DX11, both just downgrade random textures.

And that manual swapping or whatever it is doing, causes that very low but stable FPS state when those internal limits are hit.

[stray badger]

better than just crashing

[verbal raft]

great frametime graph

[verbal raft]

true

[twin dew]

Yeah, but if the self-limiters weren't there, then the GPU driver would just start doing stuff instead, with better performance than the UE5 internal implementation.

That is the stupidity, Epic reimplemented GPU driver functionality, at worse performance.

[night girder]

Yikes, for medium

[twin dew]

GPU driver functionality to use RAM as VRAM extensions were a thing BEFORE UE4 was released.

[stray badger]

it may have been, but if they werent when it was being developed, that could explain it

[verbal raft]

medium VRAM usage in the settlement: dGPU 7200MB /process 6000MB

[night girder]

wtf.

that,s 1080 epic graphics?

[twin dew]

But seems the devs have edited away those UE internal limiters, as none of those are hitting them.

But basically seems from both detail comparison images and those graphs, that the game doesn't actually have low detail mode.
Just bunch of really close together settings.

[stray badger]

im getting around 60 epic settings 1440p tsr ultra quality

[stray badger]

nanite makes low model settings hard since there arent actually any lower poly LODs

[night girder]

yeah, tsr 😉

[stray badger]

looks fine. I dont notice a difference

[twin dew]

When the worst result is 38 vs 21.5 FPS between epic and medium, or 101 vs 86 for 4090 for example.

[night girder]

Author of tom's hardware hits the nail on the head:

It's still frustrating to see Unreal Engine 5 apparently requiring so much help to reach higher levels of performance**. Framegen in particular should not be the baseline recommendation**. It has some clear drawbacks, and tends to be more useful as a marketing feature. We'd rather have slightly less advanced graphics that run well, over interpolated frames to smooth out some of the choppiness. Other games and game engines seem to manage this much better than UE5, but Unreal Engine gets used a lot because it makes life easier on the game developers — often at the cost of performance.

[twin dew]

And it is from Epic...

[stray badger]

it really isnt UE5 specifically, fortnite is UE5 and it scales pretty well

[twin dew]

Ah, not framegen, just upscaling.

[verbal raft]

medium VRAM usage in the wilderness: dGPU 6200mb /process:5000MB

[night girder]

convenient for developers at cost of performance.

Bold statement

[twin dew]

You can get per process dedicated and shared VRAM numbers from the details tab:

After enabling the columns, not shown by default.

[night girder]

@stray badger You played Stalker 2?

[stray badger]

like 30 mins yea

[night girder]

Oh, ok 😄

[verbal raft]

isnt that what MSI afterburner shows?

[twin dew]

No, that is total system use.

[night girder]

I read some claims the first 2 hours are pretty good. But then game falls apart from bugs, glitches etc.

Wonder if it's true or some nonsense.

[twin dew]

Minimized to icon MS Outlook is using 1GB of VRAM, Chromium browser with few windows is using 1.8GB...

[verbal raft]

and where can they be enabled?

[twin dew]

Right-click on any of the headers.

Then Select Columns, find and tick.

As in Task Manager Details tab.

[stray badger]

Review builds were broken, day 0 patch fixed most things. Game has been patched several more times as well

Still has some anomalies that i have yet to encounter

[night girder]

Well let me know after you played a few hours 😉

30 mins is not much to go on 😄

I will probably wait a year before buying the game, let them put out a few more patches.

[verbal raft]

i've played the game for 54 mins (before testing) and i havent seen a single bug yet

[night girder]

haha, probably wouldn't take me long to find bugs

[verbal raft]

i have tried that but it didnt work

[verbal raft]

also if this doesnt show /process util then what is it that it shows?

[twin dew]

Might show then.

[verbal raft]

nevermind found it

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[verbal raft]

they are showing the same values

[twin dew]

Ok, so then that was with that extra setting really the games usage.

[verbal raft]

low VRAM usage dGPU6500mb /process 5600MB (in the settlement)

[verbal raft]

dGPU5800MB /process 4800MB in the wilderness

the amount of ghosting on low is crazy

[twin dew]

TAA?

[verbal raft]

yeah,FSR does a bit better

[twin dew]

Or just see what raising just AA quality does?

[night girder]

is that a painting as desktop background?

or is that the game in the back? 😂

[verbal raft]

shader compile screen

[night girder]

Ah ok. Because if thats how the game looks. Oof.

[verbal raft]

also would not recomend playing without sounds

i would love it if the amd overlay didnt take 2 hours to open

[night girder]

which one?

alt + z opens side bar. ctrl + o opens stat overlay. alt + r for fullscreen overlay.

[verbal raft]

its not the drivers fault though

[verbal raft]

fullscreen

because thats the only one thats usable

[night girder]

whaaaat?

[verbal raft]

the stats overlay is also good

i just dont like the sidebar

[night girder]

1. They open instantly for me.
2. They all work fine for me, no issues.

[verbal raft]

as i said its not the drivers fault

rather the fault of THE shitiest SSD you can buy

[night girder]

🤔

Are you saying because of the SSD, overlays for AMD open slow?

Maybe your system is just overloaded 😄

[verbal raft]

no its literaly EVRYTHING that is on my C drive that opens slowly stutters etc...

[twin dew]

AMD Software seems to have issue 🤣

[verbal raft]

i also found no enemis here

[night girder]

move around a bit

they can spawn around you / in front of you

it's a an issue a lot of people are talking about.

[verbal raft]

i already looted the whole place

[night girder]

🤷‍♂️

Like I said, Stalker 2 needs some more time cooking

[verbal raft]

though FSR looks like straight up garbage in this game

this thing is F*CKING teryfing

[night girder]

it's a horror survival game 😄

In a radiation zone (nuclear disaster).

Something I really miss in shooters, is having advanced features like leaning etc.

[verbal raft]

this game has leaning

[night girder]

Ooh, then this reviewer is crap.

doesn't even lean to peek the corners 😂

[verbal raft]

pigeon VS games journalist

[edgy hazel]

bro...

leaning is so shitty

[night girder]

bro ...

[edgy hazel]

I hate that, just make it automatic when I'm peeking a corner, every ubisoft game has that

and ubisoft is a low bar

[night girder]

I just think leaning is more logical and realistic then turning around a corner like you do in counter strike.

[verbal raft]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOjXaAZHEQE

[verbal raft]

stalker 2s leaning system is automatic

[night girder]

What was that xbox game that allowed us to cover behind obstacles?

[edgy hazel]

good

[night girder]

Gears of Wars!

[edgy hazel]

q & e can be used for so much better stuff

[night girder]

Games like Arma 3 and Tarkov have best shooter mechanics imo.

Tarkov lets your select your crouch height. So you can make yourself smaller, without going into full crouch.

You have to press crouch + mousewheel up or down to adjust height. This allows you to peak over obstacles and cover yourself.

[edgy hazel]

tbh that sounds like way too much

[night girder]

It does. But it becomes second nature.

Same for leaning, you could control the leaning angle.

All this, so you could avoid getting one tapped instantly.

And lose all your gear.

[edgy hazel]

all that only to get killed by a hacker

[night girder]

100% 😄

But that's another story. The mechanics are pretty cool, I whished more shooters evolved.

A lot still feel and play like counter strike in 2000.

But maybe I am comparing tactical shooters with arena shooters.

[floral quarry]

I wish the moment a cheat was detected they would work around the macro and coding to prevent it rather than banning

bc a DMA card can literally just fix that

bc its kinda hard to be banned when ur running your cheats thru a clean pc

[edgy hazel]

how about detecting the cheat in the first place

[night girder]

COD does it better. Bots hunt down cheaters. And make their life misserable. Or so the developers claim.

[floral quarry]

extactly

like they need better anti cheat

[night girder]

pubity.com/activisions-ai-to-hunt-down-cheaters-in-call-of-duty-black-ops-6/

[floral quarry]

and developers need to focus more on writing script in their code making it virtually insane to try to script/hack

[night girder]

Probably all marketing. And doesn't work. But atleast it's a new idea.

[edgy hazel]

CS:GOs overwatch was insane actually

[floral quarry]

wym

bc i cheated on overwatch one a fuck ton

never got banned

[twin dew]

Original System Shocks lean system was pretty clunky :/

[edgy hazel]

CS:GO had* a system called overwatch

[verbal raft]

👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀

[floral quarry]

oh

[edgy hazel]

it was community based review of reports

[floral quarry]

i was boutta say blizzard pays cheaters

[night girder]

Please don't tell me it's community driven.

Oh hell, I hate that garbage.

[edgy hazel]

it was actually pretty good

[floral quarry]

literally you can find an old artical of devs giving community access to certain source codes

[night girder]

I want to play games, not be a judge for 10-15 minuts.

I got so many reports I had to review. It was bullshit.

[edgy hazel]

it was completly optional with a few rewards

[night girder]

Not in Dota 2 😄

It had the same system.

[edgy hazel]

guess they learned from that

[floral quarry]

dota 2 so bad they cant even finish their season 2 of their show while league has alr started 😭

[edgy hazel]

and then removed it again in CS2 lmao

[night girder]

I quit Dota 2 ages. Was my favorite game.

[verbal raft]

you kill some 8-year old then go to sleep and then you get banned👍

[edgy hazel]

overybody loved cs:go overwatch

[night girder]

Because you cannot trust community.

[floral quarry]

stop saying dota was ur favorite game

[night girder]

People will say innocent people are guilty for fun and giggles.

[floral quarry]

say it was smite rn

[edgy hazel]

it was actually pretty accurate, you needed like 10 votes to convict someone

[night girder]

It's the internet. You cannot hope for common sense.

[floral quarry]

just like for ppl in the whole politcal misinformation scheme

hell we are even being brainwashed now into beleiving their was no seahorse emoji and yet i have a picture on my phone of me having it

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-bow-michael-scott-the-office-gif-18616386

[floral quarry]

so idk bruh this whole gaslighting thing aint gon work

[night girder]

I think they added it again.

And best of all, community is in the dark.

[verbal raft]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEc-py9zqKs go to8:26

[night girder]

Valve removed overwatch. Without mentioning it in patchnotes it seems.

Then they added it back a few months later. Without any further information.

But who wants kernel level anti cheat?

[verbal raft]

question:would anyone be interested in another image comparison

?

in stalker 2

[night girder]

"Huh, what? Common. Oh no. The game is bugged..." 😂

[twin dew]

Already done for comparison images?
https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/stalker-2-heart-of-chornobyl-best-graphics-settings-guide/

[stray badger]

i wonder if textures could be downscaled at runtime to create lower texture levels

[night girder]

low doesn't look that bad ....

[twin dew]

Which was the point of why I said the game doesn't have really low settings.

[stray badger]

or maybe during/after shader compilation

[twin dew]

As even the lowest settings are very close to the Epic ones in quick glances.

[night girder]

Ok, I am not crazy.

Because I was thinking the same Baldur.

I really have to stare at both images to find the differences. Which are there obvious.

[twin dew]

The full resolution versions:

[night girder]

but the images on pcgamer are downscaled weirdly.

[stray badger]

object details doesnt do much, the only assets it affects are foliage, characters, and guns

[twin dew]

Need to first get the fullscreen button on bottom right, then use the "view original" even after that.

[edgy hazel]

The devs have been drinking paint if they think that's "low"

[night girder]

😄

[stray badger]

look at the concrete

a lot of detail in stalker is actually nanite geometry

[night girder]

the concrete it's visible, but low isn't that bad.

[edgy hazel]

I may just be a stupid simple gamer

[night girder]

look at the roof of the house in distance.

[edgy hazel]

But the concrete is one of my least concerns

[stray badger]

trees seem to be where the most detail is lost since they are not nanite

[night girder]

it looks almost the same as epic. Just the lightning seems different.

[stray badger]

may be weather

[night girder]

Yeah, or just the sun moving.

[stray badger]

just the difference in timing in actually making the screenshots

[verbal raft]

i more so meant comparisons between upscalers

[night girder]

Yup. But I can't be sure. Don't know the game and if it has dynamic sun / weather etc.

[verbal raft]

wrong comment

[stray badger]

ground textures look pretty gnarly at low

[verbal raft]

that i pinned

[stray badger]

it does. thats a pretty central part of stalker

low textures actually really does lower texture quality, and it is noticeable, but a lot of details are actually real geometry, which is why it still looks good

[night girder]

I don't see a difference.

[verbal raft]

im convinced they are at the same settings

[night girder]

I see some lightning change.

[stray badger]

foliage and NPCs are the only things that change

all static meshes are nanite

nanite cannot lower quality

[night girder]

You have a humvee in the back, the window color changes.

[stray badger]

probably just lighting changes

[night girder]

and it seems the crate gets a little bit more detail.

[stray badger]

object detail may be a bit bugged tho, since the things that should change dont

[night girder]

but really, I have to peer into the screenshots.

[stray badger]

is likely destructable and therefore not nanite

[verbal raft]

its the exact same picture just 2 seconds apart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEc-py9zqKs go to 17:20

[twin dew]

Some of the plants get tiny bit less detailed.

When I put both on screen zoomed and switched quickly between them.

[night girder]

You sure Baldur? Sure you not imagining things. It's not the lightnign changing? 😂

[twin dew]

One part was just plant moving in "wind", some others had actual tiny changes.

[stray badger]

it may have actually just changed LOD bias, not actually lowered which LODs are used

[twin dew]

But very tiny.

[night girder]

foliage looks the same to me, even zoomed in.

[stray badger]

so it switches LODs at less distance

[twin dew]

Yup.

That is how base UE view distance works

[verbal raft]

im adamant that they are the exact same settings just 2 second apart

[stray badger]

anyways time to actually play the game lol

[twin dew]

Nah, just lot of UE5 games use too high base detail levels for everything as "engine handles it", and then just use the base multiplier based settings, without any tuning.
Causing everything to basically always be at max, as the too high base * 0.2 is same as too high base * 1.0.

[night girder]

One is epic. One is low

[twin dew]

In the end, after all the steps.

[stray badger]

nanite does not have any way to lower detail, so static meshes will not have any change

[twin dew]

When the Epic instruction is to use the highest level LOD you would normally use in older engines.

And not the full resolution ones, before any lowering.

[night girder]

but if your whole game is static meshes

[stray badger]

it aint

[night girder]

Then why does it all look the same on the screenshot?

[stray badger]

skeletal meshes cant use nanite

[stray badger]

read baldur's thing

NPCs (skeletal meshes) and foliage do not use nanite in stalker (tho UE5.3 iirc added nanite for foliage)

anything breakable wont either

and the guns are also skeletal meshes

[twin dew]

But there are multiple previous UE5 games that basically used 10-100x too high detail meshes.
The highest detail the artists had created.
And expected the engine "just handle the LODs".

When they should have created the highest detail LODs from those full detail models for the actual release version.

[night girder]

I know another game that has terrible LOD with mountains

[verbal raft]

(insert cough) ark ascended

[twin dew]

And then the engine would have handled the lower LODs from those, for the objects it could do that.

[night girder]

They look like triangles in the distance. Or pyramids. But when you get closer, it turns into mountains.

[twin dew]

That is DX11 bug as Nanite doesn't work on DX11 in UE5.

"bug"

[twin dew]

None of the new graphical features in UE5 over UE4 work on DX11.
All need DX12 or Vulkan.

[night girder]

That was DX12.

[twin dew]

Normal on DX11, not normal on DX12.

[verbal raft]

realy?

[twin dew]

So I would really expect you to have DX11 in use for some reason.

[verbal raft]

i thought only dx 11 does that

[twin dew]

Or very weirdly broken game install.

Couple of other cases where it was in the end DX11, when the person thought they had been running DX12.

[night girder]

I play on DX12.

Only game I can't is MHW, it crashes with cutscenes on DX12 and switches to DX11.

[verbal raft]

MHW?

[night girder]

Tried it twice, always crashes with cutscenes and reverts to DX11. So I think that game isn't optimized for DX12. And also the reason why it automatically switches after a crash.

[twin dew]

Make #1038092680493801533 thread?
Include screenshot of the ingame video options with that renderer showing?

[night girder]

Monster Hunter World

I just assumed that was LOD issue 😄

Or that they put in triangles as texture for far away mountains

[verbal raft]

optimization👍

[twin dew]

I would expect that there is still single extra level of far terrain LODs in the game, but they are buggy and contain those or something similar.
As when Nanite is in use, there aren't fixed terrain LODs anymore.

But if the game actually is on DX12, you would be the only known case to me with that issue even then.

But I cannot try to debug it here.

[night girder]

I am not sure. It's a screenshot from around release.

I just logged into the game quickly, DX12, and mountains seemed fine on first glance. Didn't test extensive.

[night girder]

Don't bother. It's not an issue. I am playing other games atm anyway 🙂

[verbal raft]

i love how stalker 2s shader compile bar starts off full but then after a second it goes back down to 5%

such a troll....

[night girder]

the new monster hunter rise will have it too 😦

[twin dew]

Or that is again your drive fucking stuff up.
As the shader cache file is by default saved under C:\Users\

So it sees that there is full cache, tries to read it, fails, and start to compile again.

[night girder]

but like, it only needs to compile sharders once no?

[verbal raft]

devs gotta first make it so you dont HAVE to use FG

[night girder]

or do games have to recompile everytime on boot?

[twin dew]

Normally not, but as he has cursed model SSD as OS drive.

[night girder]

lightning, you really seem into tech, why not buy better SSD? 🙂

black friday is around the corner.

[verbal raft]

but im pretty sure the shader compilation is like this for everyone

[night girder]

capitalism at its peek.

People convinced me to get Lexar and I don't regret it.

People also convinced me to get AMD.

[verbal raft]

no DRAM cache and a tiny SLC cache

[night girder]

And the rest of my system hahaha 😄

Baldur remember when my PC was crashing?

[twin dew]

Shouldn't affect reading, only writing, but there is something fucky going on, and it being QLC makes reads harder to do, but even when it is cursed.

[night girder]

There is one thing on my mind, something I cannot explain. So after I replaced my CPU. (I think almost 6-7 months ago), my PC crashed only 1 time (near the beginning of the switch). Same exact crash BUT ever since then, I hope I don't curse myself now, it's been stable.

Critical 14/08/2024 21:51:23 Kernel-Power 41 (63)

So I am super confused. Because it seems switching the CPU fixed the problem.

[verbal raft]

this has happened before just not with upscaling.. and not at high

[night girder]

And maybe that one time was a fluke? But ... what can caused it? And how comes it didn't happen before.

Or maybe... the problem isn't fixed. And in a year or two my system will start crashing regularly.

[verbal raft]

time to restart the game

holy redit thread... https://www.reddit.com/r/stalker/comments/1gvt4j2/man_these_shaders_sure_are_compiling/

[night girder]

I am going to reset my eventviewer for now.

[verbal raft]

😃😀🙂😶😕😐🙁☹️😣😢😭💀☠️

[gilded helm]

Was listening to HUB, apparently Stalker 2 really pushes distant LOD to minimize pop in and visible loading. I'd love that to be more of a trend.

[twin dew]

And that might be part of the performance problem?

[gilded helm]

Oh, almost certainly

[twin dew]

That kind of thing is always balance between noticeability and performance.

[gilded helm]

But we can't know what it'll take to get it done until we're given the option to try.

If the 5090 and Zen 5 X3D of any sort can't do it well, that's an ominous sign.

[twin dew]

Normal UE console commands would probably help.
Problem would be to find the right commands.

[verbal raft]

i'd rather have a bit of poppin than have
FSR AA

first settlement
8 avg

[stray badger]

smooth 60 at first settlement

[twin dew]

If UE tools can open the data files, then that gets lot easier, by getting access to the INI files inside that contain all the settings the game is setting for graphical details.

[stray badger]

looks great

[verbal raft]

i can get there too with:

HIGH preset 1080p FSR Q FG:ON

wilderness
93 avg
80 1%
57 0.1%

first settlement
72 avg
5 1%
4 0.1%

if i had a little more VRAM i wouldnt be stut-tering

[night girder]

Omg, eventviewer is a mess.

[verbal raft]

it IS

[night girder]

I cleared all windows logs. But apparantly, there is a shit ton under applicationsd and service logs.

And I have to click on them manually, and then clear log.

[night girder]

And I have to do that for the whole tree to the right.

Clicking on them one by one and then clear log.

[twin dew]

Or just allow Windows to keep recycling the logs as time goes by?

[night girder]

Or execture a powershell / command prompt script that I don't want to investigate now.

[night girder]

I just assumed there was a button: purge logs.

[twin dew]

It only keeps certain amount in physical disk space.

[night girder]

But I guess I am asking too much from Microsoft.

[night girder]

I just wanted a clean slate. Because half of the logging stuff was when my system was unstable.

[verbal raft]

game my patience is running low

[night girder]

Baldur, tell me Linux does it this way 😉

[twin dew]

AFAIK SystemD JournalD doesn't have any easy way to clear stuff up.
You just again just set time and file size limits on how long to keep stuff.

[night girder]

Linux it's just purge this folder and you are good.

[twin dew]

Not really.
Lot of software don't like that, including that JournalD.

Some need to be restarted to resume logging, some cannot handle it at all.

[night girder]

Wait. Since when is what software more important than what user wants? And why is software brittle enough to break when logging is removed.

[stray badger]

waow the weather fx look nice

[night girder]

If software breaks because logging folder dissapears, that worries me.

[verbal raft]

the game does look great

the loading screen doesnt...

[night girder]

Yikes. 🥶

[twin dew]

There is reason why logrotate has per program configs how to do log rotation so it doesn't break the specific software.

[stray badger]

it is a painting

[twin dew]

Some need that restart, some need you to do weird stuff etc.

[stray badger]

reminds me of old stalker games

[night girder]

I understand that.

But I don't understand why software is dependent on logs.

[verbal raft]

the painting looks great

this part doesnt

[twin dew]

I did say they would not LOG more until stuff was done.

[night girder]

Its more of an opinion that I am stating; removing a log folder, shouldn't break the software.

[stray badger]

ah i see

[twin dew]

But there are some that do crash if they cannot log.

[stray badger]

i feel for those on 8 core or less rn

[twin dew]

But very small minority.

[night girder]

You can write some code that if an exception is thrown you do x and y thigns to see what's going on and then write code to fix it.

For example if there is an exception that folder "logs" cannot be found, recreate it.

If there is an exception a log file can't be found, create a new one.

[verbal raft]

i have 12 threads and it *used to do this in 2 minutes

[night girder]

And if restarting software fixes it, it mostly because on startup, program checks for folders and recreates them as needed.

But doesn't do these checks during runtime.

[night girder]

Sorry missed that. Fair point.

[verbal raft]

and the ssd is also not maxing out

[twin dew]

Yeah, but the point was, even on Linux, the stuff isn't designed to work with clearing of logs willy nilly.
And even JournalD doesn't give any command line option to do it on command.

[night girder]

[verbal raft]

hmmm maybe i should delete the shader cache next time

[verbal raft]

NEVERMIND I LIED

[twin dew]

Ok, journalctl does have -vacuum-size -time -files options, that allow to truncate the journal, with some limits.

Since SystemD 218.

[night girder]

I mean it does make sense.

Some people actually clean up logs and shit 😄

[stray badger]

no matter the jank stalker has, at least it works 100% on linux

[night girder]

I have hopes for Stalker 2 still. Developers just need some time. 🙏

From what I've seen, it has everything it needs to become a good game.

[twin dew]

But none of those work on current journal file.
Only older ones.
But then there is second option to archive all the current data first and start new file.

[verbal raft]

now where are those shader files...................

[night girder]

It seems WAY better than Cyberpunk at release for example.

[verbal raft]

thats a VERY low bar

[night girder]

I mean, it was a tripple A game with shitton of money and development power behind it

the bar has been low for a long time now for games.

[night girder]

You know atleast give us an option to clear all logs on restart.

So that way all software gets the chance to create new logs on startup etc.

And nothing should break during runtime.

[verbal raft]

UUHHHHH Actually this game has NO shader files

*shader

[maiden coyote]

I dunno, my guess is programs break when they can't log is because they're coded to write their output to a file. if it can't do that then depenidng on out it fails it causes an exception and the cpu has to handle that, normally by breaking the program

[night girder]

I know.

But in that exception, you can catch and create new folder.

Which means, they clearly not doing that in a catch.

The exception just escalates and depending on what code they wrote, program might stop working.

[maiden coyote]

assuming it's a file not found error.. I think stdrr will automatically create a file and append it if the file doesn't exist.

[night girder]

But that's not clean code practices.

[twin dew]

In many setups, the programs will not have rights to create a file in the log directory.

[maiden coyote]

^ that too.. esp if the log is in /var/logs/programlog

[twin dew]

And need outside help in that, as security measure.

[maiden coyote]

linux is funny with perms.

[night girder]

... well they have to be created somehow.

[twin dew]

Which the log rotation program does for example.

[night girder]

and the fact that some programs can handle it and some not, smells like fishy code.

[maiden coyote]

most handle it by just not logging...

which isn't exactly ideal either.

[twin dew]

Yeah, but with logs, the base idea is to keep certain settable amount of time of them.
With possibly also file size limit as sanity check.

[maiden coyote]

at least if the program crashes, you have an error in systemd.

[night girder]

But there are situations I imagine where a user wants a clean slate.

spring cleaning and stuff 😄

[maiden coyote]

if it doesn't, and continues to run without logging, that could cause issues later on if something goes wonky and you can't go back and check.

[twin dew]

Pretty rare?
You can just filter the logs you view to be from specific point?

[maiden coyote]

logrotate will purge old logs

[night girder]

changing hardware and you don't want clean install of windows.

[twin dew]

I usually just add -b (since last boot) when checking JournalD for example.

[night girder]

Is that a linux feature?

[maiden coyote]

yeah.. we were talking linux so.. xD

[night girder]

No, we are talking both 😄

[twin dew]

That is the program that handles changing log files for most of the old text file type logs, with set schedule and keeping X amount of them.

[night girder]

But that doesn't matter. I just disliked the fact I cannot purge logs on Windows 11 eventviewer and said: I think Linux does this better.

[maiden coyote]

pretty much everything I do that's a service, like servers... file sharing etc... I use linux systems for.. my windows pc is just a pretty ssh terminal lol

[soft bloom]

channel got busy

[twin dew]

Not really.
Both keep X amount of time of them.
And with both there are stuff you can do to purge the logs badly.

[night girder]

I am getting at the point to ditch Windows. Might need a few more years.

Thinking about it more and more.

[verbal raft]

i started the game with the EXE thats located in the save files and i SWEAR it took tenth the time

[night girder]

especially with the recent "recall" shenanigans, miucrosoft is still pushing out that feature.

[twin dew]

But even those Windows Event log entries are just files.
That could be nuked.

[night girder]

My point was.

And if you looked at my screenshot.

[maiden coyote]

I can't help you with windows stuff. I know how to do things with the gui on it.. but as far as the backend I know nothing of... with my linux systems, aside from the steam deck that's arch and I know fuck all about... I do everything in terminal with no gui, except for pve and a few other services that have a web interface

[night girder]

I have to click on the folders one by one, for the WHOLE tree, and purge them.

I cannot do it from parent.

[maiden coyote]

we pretty much just have to hope for steam to continue to kill it with their deck and wait for a desktop OS lol

[night girder]

What you see in the tree, is A-B-C... it has a whole bunch more.

[twin dew]

Yes, they cannot be nuked easily in GUI.
And neither can Linux log files traditionally.
JournalCtl finaly has a way to do it, even when it needs mixing several options to work properly.

Point was that you talked about deleting the log files as files in Linux.
You could do the same in Windows.

As each of those is just a file somewhere under C:\Windows\ or C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\

[night girder]

Yeah.

for /F "tokens=*" %1 in ('wevtutil.exe el') DO wevtutil.exe cl "%1"

[twin dew]

That tells wevtutil to clear each tree, not file deletion.

[maiden coyote]

this was fun to deal with... audio is a mounted smb share

[verbal raft]

the game looks VERY weird with AA tuned off

[twin dew]

Gets list of all the options, then clears each one.

[night girder]

Almost like the painting. Keep tweaking. You getting there 😄

[night girder]

That should also deleted the files no?

[twin dew]

Empties them, doesn't delete.

[night girder]

Oh empties them is fine for me 😄

[twin dew]

Basically automated way to go through all the entries and clicking the clear.

[night girder]

Yup.

That's what I want. But still ... I expected better of Microsoft.

Maybe I am just too demanding. But these things seem so trivial to me I don't understand why nobody realized it at Microsoft that this is bad UX.

[maiden coyote]

you should've known better

[night girder]

I have this very old PC I got from my grandfather once for a birthday. I was thinking, if I can get it to work, back-up all the files on my NAS, nuke the OS and put Linux on it. Should be a fun project.

but I haven't turned the thing on for 20 years 😄

Seems what a lot of people do with old hardware, you put linux on it

[maiden coyote]

then you start buying hardware to install linux on it.. it's a diesease

[gilded helm]

MS is the disease. Searching for the cure gets addictive because MS keeps getting worse and worse.

[night girder]

But gaming is more addictive.

And before you say it, yes I know. www.protondb.com

[gilded helm]

Oh, Linux gaming definitely isn't there. There are people IRL who want it more than I do, when they start dumping Windows, that's the sign I'm looking for.

[night girder]

Tell me when 😄

I will jump the ship too!

[verbal raft]

unrelated but Why does TSR keep halucinating??????????????

[night girder]

sharpening the sky.

[verbal raft]

i actually think that TSR looks the best in this still frame

probably because i LOVE high sharpness

[night girder]

but the sky is weird, the grain

[verbal raft]

well i dont think people play games to look at a still frame

so lets look at them in motion

[night girder]

Yeah I agree with that. But you cannot deny it's an anomaly.

[verbal raft]

im not denying it

[night girder]

but herg said it too, at what point are we pixel staring

[verbal raft]

i think i named the wrong one FSR and

[night girder]

how things perform we can measure. how we perceive graphics as "good" is subjective and is harder to measure.

[verbal raft]

true

[safe trench]

i only care if i can run the game
(im an igpu user)

[verbal raft]

intel iGPU

[safe trench]

yes.

customer support doesnt help anything also

[night girder]

fair, but we were discussing different upscalling methods and how they look 😄

[safe trench]

they all sound like the result of gpt

[night girder]

in the end, we all just want to game, I played games on a macbook pro for a while.

not the best gaming experience either lol.

until I got enough money to buy a PC.

[verbal raft]

i used to play on a VEGA 3

with a 3200u

that had 8gb of 2400MT RAM

[safe trench]

upgraded my pc to 32 gigs, running modded games like ksp or cities skylines on 12 was hell

[night girder]

"Worst" graphics I can remember is:

If you start with that, everything is a upgrade now 😄

[verbal raft]

likely

[safe trench]

the problem with 12 gigs of ram is that its not a "normal" ammount of ram

so games like cities skylines would suck on it

[twin dew]

Nah, the problem is that some of it isn't dual-channel.
And so you have two different speeds of RAM at same time.

8GB of full-speed, and then 4GB of half-speed.

4GB of both sticks at full speed, then the extra without counterpart as half-speed.

[night girder]

do 6GB sticks even excist?

[verbal raft]

back to upscaling,i think TSR and FSR try to keep detail while XESS just blurs everything

[twin dew]

DDR5 24Gbit dies were the first not direct power of two.

[twin dew]

So that is 8+4GB.

[night girder]

Yeah, I got that. Just wondered if 6GB stick excisted 😄

[safe trench]

yea

[verbal raft]

but then TSR and FSR do this weird ghostines with these trees

[safe trench]

i took the ram from a broken mini pc (ssd transplant gone wrong)

[night girder]

Aah!

[night girder]

holy moly.

[verbal raft]

dear god TAA

[safe trench]

bro

that looks like a painting if it was on a mesh

[verbal raft]

FSR

[safe trench]

fsr leaves the same thing but bigger and more not togheter

[verbal raft]

here?

i cant realy see the ghosting on FSR here

its just a little pixelated

(keep in mind TAA is at 100% while everything else is at 66%)

@safe trench Bro WHAT?

[safe trench]

oh i forgor to change that

also what are you doing in my profile?

[verbal raft]

i just accidentaly clicked on your name

[safe trench]

erm

[edgy hazel]

Never click on a profile lol

[safe trench]

FIRST ADEMENT!

[edgy hazel]

adement

[night girder]

adement? you mean amendment?

[verbal raft]

i forgot that i was listening to music LOL

[safe trench]

i intetionally miss spell words when its jokingly

[edgy hazel]

Bro is listening to youtuber intros in his spare time

[safe trench]

real

[verbal raft]

and yes youtube compression did ruin it

so its worthless

[edgy hazel]

Streamable doesn't compress as heavily

[verbal raft]

i going to mute the audio this time:)

[pure karma]

spying 🫣

[verbal raft]

OR i wont because if i do that it looks like youtube compression all over again

i actually can

https://streamable.com/rk6roc

[safe trench]

best song ever has to be thick of it
||for the safety of me and my family this is a joke||

[verbal raft]

i dont think the music i listen to is bad

https://streamable.com/6v037g

https://streamable.com/2c692l

[night girder]

says literally everyone about their own music 😂

[verbal raft]

https://streamable.com/6v037g

[verbal raft]

its my Playlist not my music

[edgy hazel]

nah my musci is hot garb 50% of the time

[night girder]

you probably listen to Gzuz

[safe trench]

https://on.soundcloud.com/hCtezmk4DCKGPkxg6

[edgy hazel]

screamo rap, tearout, metal

[pure karma]

i mean its defedently all over the place

[safe trench]

nahnah trust me this is 1005% peak

[night girder]

it's German gangster rap

[edgy hazel]

yeah i dont fuck with german rap

[verbal raft]

WTF IS THIS??????

[safe trench]

peak music

[verbal raft]

TRUE

[pure karma]

certified peak music clasic

[edgy hazel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYBoaJIwQmM
this is the shit I listen to

[night girder]

interesting

would fit cyberpunk

[edgy hazel]

it is kinda ur right

[night girder]

yeah, track is pretty hype

[safe trench]

nowhere near mine frfrfr

[night girder]

I don't trust you.

[pure karma]

my playlist feels so normal and boring compared to you guys lol

[edgy hazel]

he also does his own album art in blender which has been my desktop wallpaper for a while now

[night girder]

Spice it up 😄

[safe trench]

add the 2nd one in my playist FRFR

[night girder]

sick.

[night girder]

don't know any song I think ...

[pure karma]

not even september?

[night girder]

Kendrick Lamar did drop a new album yesterday.

I am listening to that since it dropped.

[verbal raft]

(back to upscaling) i finally get to do justice for/to image stability https://streamable.com/v7o3vv https://streamable.com/guwk9a https://streamable.com/lpdj21

[night girder]

Oh, now that I hear it. Yeah!

I know the original.

Damn, 774 mln views on YT over 11 years for the original song.

[safe trench]

teardown theme is peak for me tho

[pure karma]

yea its a clasic

[night girder]

I like it 😄

[edgy hazel]

been listening to a lot of normal techno too

[safe trench]

i just wish i had headphones

so i can listen to the peak playlist

[edgy hazel]

but nothing can keep up with good old tearout dubstep

[safe trench]

with the ear damage its meant to do

[night girder]

or old skool dub: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye5QXjqTDqE

[safe trench]

why do i feel like game soundtracks sound better and have so much more effort than regular music?

[night girder]

chase and status are still going strong after all these years. Song is 3 months old.

[pure karma]

this feels straight out of beat saber lmao

[night girder]

Stormzy is just a beast on the mic and that beat is sick.

I though the music genre would be dead by now. But nop.

[edgy hazel]

very uk drum&bassy

[safe trench]

will someone shoot me after this?

[night girder]

ah fuck you are right! It's drum n bass not dubstep.

my bad 🙈

[pure karma]

i will agree that sometimes its true i really liked "Why cant love be true" from PCBS2

[night girder]

Was listening to the Witcher 3 soundtrack again a few days ago, I agree

[safe trench]

i really like the teardown maintheme tho

[edgy hazel]

if you want somewhat modern dubstep that's still leaning towards the (good era) 2012-2015 dubstep you gotta go black tiger sex machine or crankdat

[night girder]

those names ...

[edgy hazel]

what you meeaaan

btsm is a normal name lmao

[night girder]

so happy YT is not flagging it for anything

Yeah crankdat nails it

watching a live set atm "Lost lands 2024"

[edgy hazel]

lmao

[safe trench]

corpo needs u to compare the difference with this picture and this picture

it gives the same energy ngl

[pure karma]

i just learned that yoshi means adopted kid 😂

[safe trench]

WHAT

NO WAY

[sterile plinth]

god damn since when does the 1gb raspberry pi 4 cost 45 euros

[night girder]

Wow... this bufferbloat test seems very reliable.

[twin dew]

Just testing ping/latency basically.
First without load, then with max download, then with max upload.

And comparing what the latencies were.

[night girder]

What asre you on about?

[twin dew]

How that buffer bloat test works?

[night girder]

No. 2 Days ago it was an F.

Now it's C.

[twin dew]

Very simple thing.
As long as that "speed test" part gets to your connections max speed.

If it doesn't, then it will show whatever.

[night girder]

#off-topic-tech message

Same speeds to me. Different latency it seems. WTF.

[twin dew]

Both images have the bottom important "Upload active" graphs cut off, so no way to see where the difference might have been between the runs.

[night girder]

A test should give the same results to be reliable imo.

[twin dew]

Also that upload is lower in the second one, so there could easily be current limiting factor between you and the test server, that doesn't allow the upload to actually get into full speed status.

[twin dew]

Nothing over Internet can be reliable.
There is always the caveat that the interconnects between your connection and their connection can cause results to vary.
And that site doesn't have anywhere near as many test servers as speedtest.net for example has.

[night girder]

Then it's useless to me.

[twin dew]

So you need to run both that, and then speedtest, to see if the speeds are lower on the bufferbloat one.
If they are, then the buffer bloat results aren't valid.

[night girder]

I am not going to buy a new router, based on a F-C grade, from a tool, that is flaky.

[twin dew]

You can do the same thing manually.
Set up ping to your routers default gateway, then load the connection to max in one direction, and see how the result changes.

[night girder]

So I am between A and F.

[twin dew]

The IP your routers WAN page says is the default gateway for it.

[night girder]

Nah, not worth the trouble. Was thinking what I need to look out for on Black Friday. But this router is going to be a nightmare. Barely support from ISP. And I am not even sure my router is that bad.

I just keep rolling the dice untill I get an A and leave it at that 😂

Back to F. Fuck this.

[twin dew]

But very stable from test to test and day to day for me:

[night girder]

Well clearly not for me.

So useless to me.

[twin dew]

Because of either ISP or router issues.

[night girder]

Who knows 🤷‍♂️ But if it gave consistent a F that would be less worrysome then C-D-F.

[willow pike]

your internet is never going to be reliable like that

[twin dew]

No, that kind of jumping is expected in some situations.
And as that error bar is huge in your test...

[night girder]

What a crap statement, baldur just proofed it can be stable.

[willow pike]

if you're not getting consistent results, then your internet isn't consistent

[twin dew]

Basically the quality of your connection is all over the place even during the test.

[night girder]

So we hav Baldur, who has consistent an A.

[soft bloom]

i'm having weird behavior with files. and i suspect there's some limitation to max number of files in folder
because it's stuck at 260908, which is kinda close to 256k
but i'm not getting any errors related to write, so... idk

[night girder]

We have me, with fluctuating grades on bufferbloat within minutes.

[twin dew]

For the download, upload is much more consistent, but still bad compared to working connection.
And as you compare to that unloaded error bar in your own test.

[twin dew]

Basically either your router is shit, your ISPs connection to the selected test server is crap, or both.

And running that manual ping to gateway during the test would let you see which.

As that will just test the latency to nearest ISP router.

So only your internal LAN, your router, and your link to that ISP router.

[night girder]

Mhhh... I have a few ideas.

[twin dew]

You get that ip, then just run "ping -t ip" and then run that test or some other speedtest.

[night girder]

Back to C 😄

Ok, found culprit 😄

Macbook pro on WIFI get's an B

[glossy glacier]

Which OS and file system?

[soft bloom]

Ubuntu 24, ext4

[glossy glacier]

Then a no to max file number but a yes to Software handling that amount of files

With 256K files in one directory you should probably start thinking about organising them in sub dirs

[soft bloom]

maybe, maybe...

[maiden coyote]

What kind of internet do you have? Cable?

[night girder]

I already figured it out 😄

[maiden coyote]

Your isp is shit?

[night girder]

How can that be?

[edgy hazel]

aren't they all?

[maiden coyote]

Or It's your router? Lol

[night girder]

Oh right, didn't post screenshot from my macbook on wifi.

[twin dew]

Might just be that the MacOS is doing self-limiting when it notices the response time goes way out.

[night girder]

No, PLC:

[maiden coyote]

Oh... yeah those are bad

[night girder]

Macbook got 88.9 Mbps on wifi 5, that's 3-4x what I get on my PC with cable.

And got a B score for bufferbloat.

[twin dew]

Yeah, power line networking is usually just bad.
Only really usable when nothing else can be used.

[night girder]

Normally next summer, I am in my new house without PLC.

[night girder]

That's my case.

But you see? I am not crazy in taking these tests with a grain of salt.

Because I don't even think it's more router.

[maiden coyote]

How's this [:

[twin dew]

Which is the point to then confirm with manual pinging to various points on the way.

[night girder]

Alright

[twin dew]

With that as the reason, pinging your own routers internal IP while running bandwidth test would have revealed that the problem is inside your own LAN.

[night girder]

Or using my macbook to connect to router and skipping cable + PLC 😉

[maiden coyote]

Ping -t ip... I'll try that later

[night girder]

Goddammit, if WIFI get's better result than cable, you know you done and fd up

[soft bloom]

but functionally that won't do much for me. except if somewhere it acutally removes limit

[maiden coyote]

Our pull a ethernet:p

[twin dew]

Not really, Power line networking is dead tech exactly because of Wifi getting so much better.

[night girder]

Eh....what?

People all go cable because of stability and overall better experience.

[twin dew]

Hasn't been updated in long time.
Still being sold, but with old tech.

[maiden coyote]

It is..

[night girder]

Who in here has cable? ✋

[maiden coyote]

Moca adapters are the new thing

[night girder]

Pretty sure 90% in here uses cable

[twin dew]

I did say "Power line networking", using houses AC wiring for networking.

Not that cabled networks are dead.

[night girder]

Oh!

Well, I have no choice my friend.

[twin dew]

That MOCA (using houses TV antenna cables) is the newer replacement.

And like you saw, even WiFi is usually better today than PLN you have.

[night girder]

But funny how a buffer bloat test picks it up, nothing to do with buffer rofl.

[twin dew]

Yes it has, buffers in the PLN adapters.

[maiden coyote]

You could try eeros or whatever to extend your coverage. Mesh with wireless backhaul is the new thing as well..

[night girder]

Weird thing is, I tested this PLC setup a year ago.

And it was the other way around, WIFI was worse back then.

Just shows you how unreliable the electric grid is.

[twin dew]

Yup, shared with everyone behind the same transformer.

[maiden coyote]

Shit changes. Pln can work perfect until you plug in a new tv.. or phone charger

[night girder]

Exalctly, so tired of this shit ... I am always fixing problems half assed because of irl reasons.

[twin dew]

And someone else behind the same transformer plugging in something that causes "interference" in that phase will fuck up it.
Noisy electronics etc.

[maiden coyote]

Well, I get that you're moving. There's always running a cat5 cable out the window and into the window of the room where you want it lol

[twin dew]

MOCA in turn is basically just shorter range cable modem tech.

So the cabling is much higher quality than AC wiring.

[maiden coyote]

But moca as a wired backhaul and a mesh system would probably give very good results

[night girder]

How do you know my PLC adapter has buffer?

[twin dew]

Otherwise it couldn't cause buffer bloat etc.
And would just cause lot of packet loss instead as the quality of the connection between the adapters varied.

[night girder]

How do you know it's not packet loss?

can't latency be caused by packet loss?

[twin dew]

No, lost packet isn't counted for latency.

[night girder]

Oh right, because of how we test without load first.

[twin dew]

Only the ones that get through.

[night girder]

Ok, good to know. Well. I continue my black friday hunt lol.

Next: robot cleaner 😄

btw for anyone in benelux: tweakers.net/deals/black-friday/echte-techdeals

shows real price drops etc for hardware

[visual tree]

My roomba is a lifesaver since I hate constantly vacuuming dust that's collecting under my bed

The only problem I have with roomba is that their spare parts tend to be expensive

[maiden coyote]

well, while you're router shopping, have a look at ubquiti's offerings if you're looking for higher-end stuff.. once you get out of the $100-200 price range.. consumer hardware offerings from netgear/tplink whoever really arn't worth it

[soft bloom]

any experts in Python's generators?

[night girder]

Does it require phone app?

[visual tree]

Roomba can work without the app afaik (although app offers some benefits)

[twin dew]

Oh, and correction to previous talk about TP-Link consumer routers cloud accounts etc.
The account isn't mandatory, but even if you don't create one, it will connect to the "cloud" anyways.

[maiden coyote]

For the tplink deco system... if you don't use their app you can't pair the decos, set your ssid, or configure them for ap mode... the web interface has zero config options..

You can get a 3 toiletpaper deco kit for the same price as a single U6+ and your still need the network controller, although that could be self hosted..

The u6+'s will do something like 900mbps over wifi with a client that can handle it... I could never get the decos to go over ~500mbps

[night girder]

Kade, you awake?

iphone 12 or 15?

[maiden coyote]

Usbc

[soft bloom]

lat's time i checked latest iPhone was called "X"

[night girder]

Good point.

[visual tree]

My galaxy S9 unfortunately started having issues with a second sim slot and my sister gave me a spare iPhone 12 Pro Max. I don't really like iOS tbh....

Or maybe I need to use it for a few more months in order to notice the advantages compared to Android like my coworker said although I doubt it will change my opinion

[pure karma]

none

[maiden coyote]

They both call, text, and browse the internet... android keys you install Firefox and extensions, ios blocks them.. android let's you bluetooth files, ios only keys your do it with other apples.. ios has a better messenger for texting by miles. Things I've noticed by using both

[night girder]

It's more like pick your poison. Both OS have upsides and downsides.

I am used to iPhone, Android had in the beginning a really ugly UI.

[visual tree]

Agreed. I hated Android in the past but it is much better now

I remember the old days when you didn't have enough storage space and you had to move apps to sd card

[night girder]

For sure, but it's choosing between Google and Apple in the end.

[visual tree]

At least with Android, I have a lot of brands/price ranges to pick and normal prices for accessories like adapters and cables. I still use my S9 wireless charger for iPhone because an adapter for iPhone is expensive imo

[night girder]

EU forced apple to go USB C, so charging is a non issue with apple now.

For iphone, you also have a wide rrange of prices available.

It just depends, do you want the newest of the newest iphone, or can you wait a few years?

Cheapest I can find:

iphone 6 and 7 (refurbished).

Highest price:

[pure karma]

2000?!

bruh

[visual tree]

When I was a kid, I always wanted the "best smartphone" 😅 . Now that I am older, galaxy A series is enough for me lol

Just need a phone for basic stuff

[night girder]

And there are 5 phones more expensive than the most expensive iphone.

[pure karma]

of course samsung is half of them

[night girder]

Point being, a lot of time I would agree with Apple being overpriced bullshit. But for iPhones, they seems to have more competitive pricing than greedy prices like they do with other products.

[visual tree]

I would avoid foldable phones like plague, my coworker has galaxy Z flip (I think) and there are already screen problems present

[night girder]

But when you look into the hardware, iPhone are probably still overpriced. So hardware/price.

[pure karma]

its still not the like 399 of like 6 years ago last time i stepped in a place that actually sold phones

[night girder]

The screenshots I posted are from a website that monitors multiple stores and aggregates them. Forgot the english word for it.

Price watching website?

[pure karma]

scalpers paradise

[visual tree]

Good thing I work for an ISP so I can get phones through company for cheap 😄

[night girder]

🧂

[night girder]

Nah, happy for you.

Freudenfreude 😄

[visual tree]

I noticed most of my coworkers have recent galaxy S models

[night girder]

I am so proud of my iphone. It's a relic. But it's holding on 😂

I think it's 10 years old by now.

[visual tree]

My galaxy S9 is still technically working but there is something wrong with the second sim slot. Incoming phone calls get dropped after few seconds and I made sure it's not related to settings

Also did factory reset but It didn't help

[night girder]

Oh, there is a lot wrong with my iPhone lol 😄

home button broke 3-4 years ago.

[visual tree]

Btw, Apple gives software support to around 10 years on average (since model introduction to the market)?

[night girder]

It looks like this:

So to unlock my phone, I have to double tap it. But you can place the button wherever you want.

anyway, I am out for a bit. Will be back later 👋

[tough owl]

Keep in mind they’re all mostly folding too

[pure karma]

you got a flip a fold a fold a fold a pile of trash and then apple so yea i guess fair enough

[soft bloom]

I wonder, what would be the good amount?
I can split by year, and even by month. but then it will require some glob searches to be recursive...

[glossy glacier]

Depends on what's inside the files

[soft bloom]

eh, inside is QuakeML, most probably compressed

idk how that helps 🙂

[glossy glacier]

No idea then

[night girder]

True but still 3k

[soft bloom]

yeah, i need like... 1250k of them to save 🙂

and for some reason i noticed that on laptop they simply wont do more than tha weird number, even though there should have been like 100k more by now...

and on PC i'm doing funny thing - i saved those files and basically re-parsing them to keep everything clean and consistent. and that takes some time... I could have probably just split the workload into processes, but that eneds a bit of configuration. so 300 files / minutes is decent too

[night girder]

I wonder if Apple wil ever make foldables.

[soft bloom]

apples don't fold lol

only androids do

[soft bloom]

but i'm starting to fear SSD durability for such load

it's probably comparable to downloading and unpacking the game

[pure karma]

maybe but for $12K at this rate

[soft bloom]

sometimes i think that Kaggle is a joke with completely unreliable UI (plots not showing, buttons disappearing, disconnects from kernel, messy files tree, cunbersome navigation within notebook, broken navigation of saved notebook...)

[night girder]

Apparantly there are rumors on a foldable iphone, arriving in 2026.

[soft bloom]

are we going to get one before mission to Mars starts?

[night girder]

Who knows, they might cancel it 🤷‍♂️

[soft bloom]

ok so this is totally weird - i changed structure to split by month
no changes to contents of files. but more deterministic search for them - no glob, straight check for filename
and speed from 300 gone past 2000 / m
crazy

[soft bloom]

i finally remembered that my expectation of 750k files was from a larger search range... so perhaps it's ok

[safe trench]

they decrease in value fast also

[visual tree]

I wonder what percentage of foldable phones survive warranty period without any screen or hinge issues

[soft bloom]

Well actually over to 4200 /minute
So now it really is fast to reitertae parsing of insividual events

Logging to FS becomes problemat this pace.
Scrapy generates a lot.
128 rotating files x2MB is like nothing for it

[safe trench]

but ipads do

[edgy hazel]

@soft bloom have you considered using a database instead?

Because this sounds a lot like you're moving into that territory

[soft bloom]

Yeah, but what kind?
For this project i am trying to keep tech simply, do that it is as easy to setup as it could be. At least that should be an option.

The most db used so far is sqlite and i doubt it can work with dozens of gigabytes

[twin dew]

SQLite isn't really a database, more of object store.

So basically whole file as single entry in this case.

For example.

Ah, sorry, mixed with NoSQL.

[edgy hazel]

Databases should have no issues with that normally

[soft bloom]

I mean, individual size of compressed QuakeML is couple kilobytes
i know that SQL can do large relational queries,
but this is just fetching large volume of bytes by single key
so clearly more of a job for object storage, but still idk how well it would perform in comparison
And system will loose simplicity of being able to just open a folder and read the file like normal person
So... I am fine with idea of having index in SQL to speedup search (like i did with http cache),
but even an option to have something like Mongo fully replace the storage raises doubts. I would have to benchmark

i mentioned both MongoDB and object storage because both could solve this, but am aware they are different (though this feels more like object storage task)

also, considering ease of finding the right file, i worry that any of these will make no difference due to operational overhead

although... i have no idea if there's one with FS

Funny, a year ago, with any other project, i would use some fancy tech head on - no questions asked...

[soft bloom]

ok indeed, that was even more that i should have had. so all good - just by chance it was close to 256k...

[soft bloom]

perhaps the weirdest search query in a while 🙂

[soft bloom]

i had a bit of a pickle because I am saving parsed data to JSONlines, coupled by year
So to save a bit of space i then join and convert it to CSV
but this created problem i didn't expect because that turned internal lists and dicts (which there's a couple of them) into just stringified python objects
so when reading resulting CSV back to pandas it was just a string

and this is where i think LLMs shine, because I asked this Claude 3 and it revealed to me existance of ast module
which i haven't heard of before, and it has fitting literal_eval method that won't do many nasty things
...
as i was writing this, i tested what would i get just by inserting the same prompt into DuckDuckGo - it return answer from StackOverflow, lol
so, i guess instead of saying this wouldn't be as easy i should say we should try natural langauge queries in traditional search engines

[soft bloom]

exploding pandas are truly dangerous:

[rapid ether]

not sure if it was mentioned already, but one of the reasons to split a large number of files into subdirectories is also the limitations of the underlying file system. For example ext3/4 becomes super slow north of a few tens of thousands of files, where it can take multiple seconds to just create a new file, because assumingly hash-collisions in the dictionary or the dictionary of the node becoming too large etc. different file systems, different limits/problems, though.

[pure karma]

having to share presentations on discord because teams sucks is peak school 🤣

[night girder]

you mean cheap school?

[pure karma]

i guess yea im using my laptop as a hotspot for my classmates because none of there wifi cards can reach and then were having to present to eachother on discord because it uses less data

[soft bloom]

we can all agree on "Peach school"

[soft bloom]

Is windows supposed to become unresponsive mess when Steam moves gamefiles to system drive?

The only indictaion of load is busy system drive

[jagged snow]

Hitting system drive really hard always slows things down

[glossy glacier]

Depends on the drive. So yes, it can happen

[glossy glacier]

Yeah, Teams sucks

[sand saddle]

@twin dew I've been struggling setting up a static IP, can't understand shit.
Ordered a static IP from my ISP for my router which has a sim card in it. (Huawei 818-263)
Also changed the APN as instructed by the ISP.
But now I can't figure out what to do next so my laptop could have a static IP.
I need it for good remote desktop software(moonlight or parsec) to work so I could stream my games while in service.

And as we all know, you're smart so I could use your help.

[twin dew]

Because that stuff doesn't make your computer have static IP?
But the router.

You can then set up static DHCP lease on the router for the computer, or static IP on the computer inside LAN.
And do port forwarding on the router, in theory.

And as Huawei doesn't have anything more than quick start guide for that router, no idea what it allows to do inside the management to accomplish those steps.

[sand saddle]

Will check

So I do smth like this? Not sure how that would help.

[twin dew]

Yes.
That sets the computer inside LAN with that specific MAC address to have always the same IP.
And then you set that port forwarding so that any traffic the router gets to specific ports, is forwarded to that IP.

[sand saddle]

static IP on the computer inside LAN
This? Couldn't get it working.

[twin dew]

No.

[sand saddle]

Aight

[twin dew]

That is for the WAN

[sand saddle]

So now port forwarding...

This? support.parsec.app/hc/en-us/articles/360045297592-How-to-port-forward-Parsec

[twin dew]

This makes that whenever DHCP client connects to the router to get internal LAN IP, if it has that MAC, it gets that same one every time.

[twin dew]

Basic idea, yes.

[sand saddle]

Aight, will mess with it. Not sure if I got the time/motivation to do it today.

Thank you!

[night girder]

My devices have all static IP based on MAC adress.

My router assigns these local IP's based on MAC if not mistaken.

[glossy glacier]

IPv6 SLAAC? 🙂

If IPv4 and you did not set then manually its probably just long DHCP lease times.

[edgy hazel]

Or they just extend the lease often enough to keep their IP

[glossy glacier]

That and lazy-reallocation

[edgy hazel]

Lazy fucking DHCp server smh

[night girder]

I set them manually.

[pure karma]

nerver experienced any changes/slowdowns while doing so, but then again im nerver generally a good point of reference

[sinful rain]

hdd just killed itself was luckily able to return it, had 15mins left on the return window

[pure karma]

💀

talk about designed to fail

[wanton orchid]

there is something sketchy about 6.12.1 and virtualization

[sand saddle]

Argh, still didn't work

[edgy hazel]

what's the issue?

[sand saddle]

support.parsec.app/hc/en-us/articles/115002601011-Error-Codes-6023-and-6024-Unable-To-Negotiate-A-Successful-Connection

[edgy hazel]

hmm can you ping the machine?

especially the port. You can use the "telnet (ip) (port)" without the brackets

[sand saddle]

Asked my mom to restart the PC, closed rustdesk with task manager to see if it might've caused a conflict, now can't remote in again.
I need to go soon, will fuck around with this later today.
Will have the time to try the ping thing today, got to check the host IP.

Can also recheck if firewall could be the issue but I doubt it. Literally every IT problem guide mentions firewall while it has never been the issue.

[edgy hazel]

are you using a VPN or are you going in raw?

[sand saddle]

Raw

I'd prefer lower latency for gaming