off-topic-tech

[languid gulch]

sadly no

my logitech ones did

logitech's wheels are the best thing about the company

infiniscroll & side scroll

with the lock on it

they could probably license it out & make more money than making their own mice 🤣

i almost bought the trinity until i decided to give redragon a chance

lol yup

keymapping onto it is great

i figured for $40 it was worth a shot. even if i had to replace it every year it would probably be cheaper than buying a trinity or another mmo mouse since they're all so much more money

the only thing i don't like about the M913 is the scroll wheel not being logitech 🤣 the rest of it has been great

M913 even has ring finger & pinky rests

ewwwwwww

yea the finger rests let you be able to pick it up without feeling like you're about to press the side buttons

idk how, but it's perfectly balanced

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VPYZ4M

how's this for a $2k budget?

🤣

idk if they were thinking about czechia when designing it

i have a stickynotes open with some stuff like ñ é £ € ø °

oh you should see my mmo, you can have 20 hotbars open, 10 abilities each, and each one can have a 3 key macro assigned to it. good luck

ouch

having common non-keyboard things on it are so nice

even just putting volume control

lol true

tho if you put them on your mouse, you don't need to move a hand to adjust 😛

awwww

yea makes sense then

now, someone just needs to make one with 12 side buttons AND a joystick

even if it was 6 buttons

they're for people who are used to laptop keyboards

i think mine are red

reminds me of the 1990s keyboards

the ones where you could kill someone with it

the classic

i played that game until the CD broke in half

i did find this in my stash recently

doesn't surprise me

i suspect there'll be a "hard break", where PCs & the current internet will have to go away

[twin dew]

Got the motherboard, so I can now upgrade my secondary computer from Intel 4670k with 16GB RAM and 128GB MLC SATA SSD to Ryzen Pro 4650G with 16GB ECC RAM and 256GB Intel TLC NVMe SSD.

(left-over SSD from upgrading laptops storage to 512GB Samsung MLC NVMe SSD)

In power saving mode?

Both SSDs, SATA controllers etc. have power saving modes, that can be controlled in BIOS or for some parts Windows power settings.

Windows by default sets drives to sleep after 20 minutes of no use.

Ok.

[visual tree]

Never has been afaik

Oh wait, they are here but I don't know what they are doing tbh

I can get up to 1 gbit/s

[twin dew]

1Gb/s link to ISP, and then the actual speed depending.

[visual tree]

Basic fiber speed is 300 Mbit/s which can be upgraded to 1 gbit/s for €4 per month

2,5 gbit/s is possible afaik but it's not offered to private customers yet

My ISP doesn't have FUP afaik

[safe trench]

going over a gigabit is just unnessarcy

like bro who do i look like

linus tech tips?

mines in the floor

like my house is elevated

and the floor is hollow

no

oh wait ur right

ikr

ignoring the homeless people who constantly vandlize the people who even look remotley rich

cali is the worst state

only thing saving it for me is silcon valley and apple park

the bricks are freaking stronger than every amercian house combined

they are made out of wood and paper

real

The life expectancy of a modern house is around 50-60 years.
Compare that to around 150-300 years for something built between 30 and 100 years ago.

either way

enjoy it while it lasts ¯_(ツ)_/¯

hard to swallow pills

nuclear power preventing climate change

"bUt WhAt aBoUT cHuONuBLy!"

ikr!

i wish some sorta looney toons logic applied to coal plants

and then they just shipped anvills and bowling balls as coal

so they stop working

ok but like

you put a npp next to water

like what else do you think is gonna happen to the water

if it blows

ok but like

us and japan

[languid gulch]

i'm still waiting for someone to start building a LFTR reactor now that they figured out the piping issues

[twin dew]

Yeah, Fukushima would have been non-event, if TepCo hadn't cheaped out against advice before it, and didn't try to cover their failures afterwards so long that outside help couldn't arrive fast enough anymore.

Saving money before, trying to save face after until it got worse.

[languid gulch]

wasn't even cheaping out, if they had put the diesel generators on the rooftops instead of in the basement then it would have been fine

[twin dew]

Would still have cost more to both set up and maintain.

IIRC the recommendation was just water-proof the placement location so that such flood wouldn't affect the insides.

[languid gulch]

i wonder how much cheaper it would have been to just do that instead of the fines they've dealt with

[twin dew]

And the tsunami wall was also lower than the highest known previous one at that location...

[twin dew]

Or just state they were fucked and needed outside emergency generators ASAP...
Instead of trying to cover up until the reactors melted.

Yes, they did later state they needed, but because of regulatory capture, the connections weren't standardized and first set that got to the site in time couldn't be connected.

But the company leadership dithered on that for long time, trying to save face (important thing in japanese culture).

[languid gulch]

i had kinda hoped that while they were doing massive recovery anyway they would have converted the country over to a consistent AC frequency

WHY

[twin dew]

Because history very long time ago, and switching wouln't help that much, except to people moving to the other side of the line.

And that generator issue wasn't about that.

[languid gulch]

it's worse than countries that drive on both sides of the road

[twin dew]

Just about cable compatibility.
Not same connectors and for some stupid reason the local people weren't just allowed to hack two different cables apart and do rigged connection or similar.

The system in theory saved copper, but it is completely bonkers and stupid today.
And when accounting for possible loop cuts, it doesn't even save copper.

So it had merit when made, and not taking that specific cable cut problem into account back then.

German, not french.

So the two tongues, not the ground pin.

[visual tree]

We have type F here

Also, you might buy devices with type C plug which can be plugged into a type F wall outlet

[dire igloo]

instructions unclear, rammed 230V power cable into my phone

[soft bloom]

good job. so you can use touchscreen to turn on room lights?

[dire igloo]

No, but I did find a way to cause a Li-Ion fire

[soft bloom]

you should publish an article on LinkedIn and collect cudos. also i heard Tesla motors are interested in batteries for some toy cars - maybe they will take a look

what if cybertruck was supposed to be a toy, but someone thought it real and preorders started coming in?..

I onwder how many owners of actual cybertrucks will find cyberwagon offensive

it will be perfect if it would turn rusty after contacting water or when rain is added to the game

[wanton orchid]

which country are you talking about when saying "us" ?

[soft bloom]

how did Italy end up with unique plug?

Denmark must have happiest electricians

[undone wind]

btw apparently the 9900x3d will nuke that issue by having cache on every chiplet for CCD design. be interesting to see how well it comes out.

[dire igloo]

will still have cross-ccx latency

also, Zen5%

[soft bloom]

video about ARM with Casey is quite interesting
but also, it's like when illusionist reveals their secrets

[soft bloom]

i can't be the only one thinking that app animations are part of enshitification.
aside of first time use ave they just waste time and energy
i want to be able to skips through menus like warcraft player

oh, thanks. i didn't think it can

MiUI is nice

[mental oriole]

Too bad it's EoL in a year.

W11 can go suck it.

Steam actually needs to push their Os to be installable on any machine.

Among other things.

No

People dogshit on everything.

[soft bloom]

Action Labs is rocking my world with another video

[soft bloom]

push what?

[mental oriole]

push as in make it available...

[soft bloom]

what's the O for?

[mental oriole]

????????????????

Os = operating system...

[soft bloom]

"push their Os"

kek

[mental oriole]

Go fuck off

[soft bloom]

ok. i thought's it's like big O notation or something.

honestly didn't think of it as OS

[mental oriole]

It is tho.

[soft bloom]

also i was pretyt sure SteamOS was free, no?

and the video about P-something OS that is like friendly linux came out like couple years ago

[mental oriole]

They never made it publicly available as far I know.

Unless that has changed.

[soft bloom]

POP! OS

[mental oriole]

No

[soft bloom]

it's just not so widely known

[mental oriole]

I would either use ubuntu or arch, because dev stuff.

Tbh can use anything but...

[soft bloom]

i almost remember almost installing it ages ago

store.steampowered.com/steamos

[soft bloom]

but like for general audience, POP! os is closest to windows afaik

[soft bloom]

aka it is public

[mental oriole]

Leads to steam deck image.

[soft bloom]

regional redirect?..

bottom note says it's incompatible with steamdeck

[mental oriole]

The download link goes to custom -> which doesnt exist and defaults to steamdeck

[soft bloom]

lmao

[mental oriole]

🙃

[soft bloom]

false advertising fuckers

thank God wayback machine is back online

[mental oriole]

Need to finish kit engine...

😔

[edgy hazel]

Popos (22.04) is just ubuntu with more drivers

Hyped for popos 24 since it has way more of its own shit

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-christ-splash-blessed-holy-gif-11523595

Pretty gay nowadays

[wanton orchid]

oh I see
but are you on 50hz/240v too ?

[wanton orchid]

why ?
computer monitors are all disconnected from ac main now

old one were 50hz

ntsc standard

[twin dew]

60Hz is US standard, 50Hz was Europe.

[twin dew]

NTSC is little under 30Hz, doubled to little under 60Hz via interlacing.

And that is why monitors are 60Hz.
As that US standard won in computers.
While EU TVs are still 50Hz (with 60Hz etc. support)

[soft bloom]

ohhh, me too

[twin dew]

NTSC: 30 Hz * 1000/1001, so 23.976 FPS as progressive, and then done at interlaced for 59.94 half-frames per second.

Ah, no little over 23.970, again didn't do the math myself originally.

PAL is 25/50 Hz.

[wanton orchid]

sorry confused with PAL

my point was there are 2 standards

ntcs won because its faster I think

so more smooth

[dire igloo]

[edgy hazel]

Jealous?

Mr. German Number 2

[soft bloom]

it's about letters, right.
A, B

it's funny how humanity doesn't really have a way of assigning individual identifiers without ordering

or rather, any such way was eventually ordered somehow

[dire igloo]

colors are a thing, but even there you got the light spectrum order and color psychology

childcare facilities are using animals and plants iirc

I've seen some creator whose friend was absolutely dumbfounded that some adventure time character was actually an alien and not human.
Turns out their color blindness made the light green skin look fleshy - which the creator showed by running an image of that character through a colorblind filter

[soft bloom]

exactly.
colors are probably the closest to it
but, they can be ordered by brightness, saturation etc
i think it helps that we perceive them with 3 cones and tubes, and each color is a composition of many wavelength
but also... when are we going to get polarisation? phase?

also, what about smell

[soft bloom]

ok. perhaps it's great as longth as there are no nerds

[safe trench]

ikr

like i litterally became crippled, suffer a stroke and heart attack after calling ice .ice!

ok but like i dont know why people need over a gig

like why do i need that 0000.00000.1 faster response time on google?

and why bother upgrading to wifi 7?

bro

now they are calling 2 gigs for gaming?

ah hell nawh

im not spending 100 bones a month for 2 gigs

lies after lies

oh

honestly

what do corpos expect us to do if their parts stop working

like when intels were dying and amds were burning out their sockets

like i cant just have like another system with your competitors parts

words of wisdom: " ed"

satisfactory?

[dire igloo]

I wonder if there were lawsuits over the firmware

[maiden coyote]

Is that symmetrical?

Cause if so.. it's for gaming, and hosting

[languid gulch]

remember when all the lockdowns started happening, and all the ISPs started bitching that all those people using the internet from home were going to cause all sorts of problems, so they just had to charge more, and then none of the problems they were charging extra for happened but they kept the money anyway & didn't upgrade stuff like they said they would

[soft bloom]

remember when developing technology & industry actually meant better products & service while lovering price because competition?

internet is laregely a monopoly with high customer retention so there's very little competition once custom base establishes

[safe trench]

bro

lockdown was the worst

at that point the real tiktok challenge should of been go get toilet paper without going to the er

imagine going to the bathroom not realising theres no toilet paper

and it was lockdown

that point id rather just die

[safe trench]

ur not wrong

because its difficult for people to go back

after all where else will they get their daily does of locking their self up in the bathroom till 2 am watching tiktoks with subways surfers, minecraft parkour, some random trash mobile game and family guy at?

[languid gulch]

y'all need to experience Costco 🤣

[languid gulch]

5950X & 5900XT are both 16 cores, & from what i've been reading they're fairly evenly matched. would i be better off grabbing a 5900XT since it's just newer & might be better quality?

i mean, if one goes on black friday sale more than another i'll be grabbing whichever's cheapest, but i'm wondering if being one of the newest am4 releases means it's better quality

[twin dew]

Yeah, just 100MHz extra base and boost on the 5950X.

The silicon quality will be the same for units manufactured at same time.

In general, lottery aside from the variance.

It's not 5900XT, it is 5950 non-X.

If the naming had been sane.

[languid gulch]

ah

k, good to know that it's a 5950 🤣

[twin dew]

Basically 5950X with those two frequencies dropped by 100MHz both, with same TDP.

[languid gulch]

and yes, i know, i should probably be going for the 5800X3D, but i'm thinking farther ahead, like maybe using this platform as a server in the future

and most of my games are more or less capped right now with a 5600X, the only thing i could add is more cores cuz some of my games do like that

& if i'm gonna be spending that kind of money, i want it to be on more than just 2 more cores, even if it includes a fat stack of cache

& can i just say that it's absolutely wild that a single socket has had the same staying power as an entire ram generation

AM4 had active development for all of DDR4, & even a couple years into DDR5 (just not compatible)

[twin dew]

And plan seems to be same with AM5, to last until DDR6.
Unless Intel implements more channels on their consumer platforms and AMD has to respond.

[spare belfry]

Might as well go for AM5 for future proofing but AM4 is still gold, they're cheaper for their performance per usd, not to mention the used one.

[dire igloo]

LGA1700 made AM4 obsolete except where X3D is needed

[spare belfry]

True but the thing with intel for me is that they kinda have alot of allegations about their chips, I think last time was something with gen 13 and 14 crashing so i never considered them altogether, while amd also has their own issues themself they're often has alot of workarounds and are well documented somewhat, maybe im wrong doe since I've never used intel system...

[dire igloo]

You mean the overvoltage issues that were reported in August?

1. They didn't affect Alder Lake which is the main AM4 competitor (12400F = 5600).
2. They only affected the high high end line of CPUs, basically i9 exclusively. i7 lineup was already hardly affected.
3. The failure rates weren't as high as it was presented, 11900K failure rates were on a similar level.
4. These issues have been addressed and mitigated through multiple microcode patches and BIOS updates.

Source for 1 and 4: Intel
Source for 2 and 3: Puget Systems

[twin dew]

Much worse failure rates on the boards that didn't undervolt by default.

But those aren't in the Puget numbers and didn't really affect consumers directly.

As all the consumer MBs did undervolt by default.

[dire igloo]

Puget has the best numbers I have in that regard, if you got better or just extra ones pls share

[twin dew]

So consumers have mostly been getting that MB default undervolt related instability, but not that many permanently bad CPUs.

[twin dew]

Mainly the server side numbers from Level1Techs etc. videos, where the failure rate to too instable to be used was on average 6 months.

[dire igloo]

Anyways, for the sake of this argument: non-issue

[twin dew]

When the MBs didn't undervolt and the CPUs were doing those high voltages lot of the time because of the specific loads.

[visual tree]

Reported Amazon delivery partner for faking tracking status and I got €10 as an apology + they are going to start an investigation 🥳

Basically, I said I have no problems with late deliveries considering labor shortage but I don't like fake statuses like "wrong address" when the address is actually correct (confirmed by the delivery partner) which could cause me issues later if I ever need a refund from Amazon

If a carrier steals the package (or lose it), they could post a fake status that my address is incorrect and Amazon would refuse to give me a refund and ask to contact the carrier first

[visual tree]

She actually asked me about Temu and wanted to order something. I told her to avoid Temu like a plague lol

So, another person saved from hell 👼

We have lol

But never ordered anything from it

Some popular online store here got acquired by Allegro few years ago

I still prefer Amazon over any online store here who only want to rip you off (not that Amazon is innocent, they still have some shady practices)

At least Amazon gave me €10 for the inconvenience. Such thing will NEVER happen in croatian online shops

The owners would rather close the business than pay €10 for an inconvenience a customer had to endure

You can order on Amazon.de and ship to Czechia I think

I know. Luckily, if you buy items on Amazon.de that say "shipped by Amazon", you can rest assured they are shipping from a warehouse inside EU so there are no customs

I also shop from some other german stores too. I bought some of PC hardware from ComputerUniverse

[soft bloom]

I really liked what Prime said after article on critique of HTMX about understanding how a tools is designed to be used.

lot's of internet hate towards different languages and tools, encapsulated in memes, comes from this exact misundertsanding and is acutally pointless.

and omfg was I disapointed in my teamlead when he was trying to teach Python to junior in a non-pythonic way

also i sometimes ask myself if i even should care so much about trait-like Protocols in python, but I think it's very much in spirit of duck-typing

your typo made me think about fact that cumpot is pronounced exactly as a what will be translated into kompot (but o is pronounced as ah in russian), which is made of fruits in water.
uzvar is actaully a better relative of it, and is sweet and just best

[steel star]

hmm (I did this with minecraft) I very quickly stopped what i was doing to cause that

[languid gulch]

it's still kinda impressive that minecraft can still bring systems to a crawl

[gilded helm]

Building and strategy games have always had a dilemma of being able to introduce unlimited amounts of pathfinding and physics. I bet even the original Starcraft could bring any system to a crawl in certain scenarios still, especially in custom maps where (potenitally highly unoptimized) user scripting gets added.

[languid gulch]

kinda why i'm currently testing a clear cut of the entire SF map 🤣 wanna see just how bad it gets

[languid gulch]

i've cleared grass fields, snake tree, western dune, jungle spires, red jungle, western beaches, southern forest, blue crater, red bamboo, & lake forest. so far nothing's really all that bad, the devs did a fantastic job optimizing it

& in those areas, i mean cleared. nothing left standing, not even bushes

mushrooms, nodules, everything

[gilded helm]

Nuke nobelisks?

[languid gulch]

nope

[gilded helm]

You'll have plenty of biofuel then 😛

[languid gulch]

pure suffering

i'm doing my best to collect everything

might even make a stupidly, hilariously gigantic biomass generating station

[gilded helm]

With slooping, one alien remains powers a fuel generator for 30 minutes.

[languid gulch]

i'm up to 70 large containers of leaves & wood each

i mean, it's mostly to see how bad the save file ends up getting

[sharp oasis]

I'm confused how this even happens.

[placid sapphire]

I am utterly concerned...

[sharp oasis]

How?

I'm like

Actually confused.

[placid sapphire]

596% after 7 min is confusing, and concerning

like

how

[sharp oasis]

(the phone is brand new too)

[placid sapphire]

Now THAT makes it confusing

[sharp oasis]

I think it could be a mislabeled process.?

Somehow the phones software confused something for another

Cuz I think camera should be that high after shooting 4k 30 for an hour 40 straight.

But even then 36% for photos is hella high

I'mma drop a bug report.

[mental oriole]

Could be anything, probably bitflip error.

[sharp oasis]

Still very funny number

[mental oriole]

Meanwhile discord be like...

[sharp oasis]

Real

[wanton orchid]

no worry it's only Google data mining your photos

[dire igloo]

Software bug

Hope that helped

[sharp oasis]

Ye

Still very silly

[sharp oasis]

❤️

Gotta love to see it

[night girder]

The mods for minecraft do.

Stuff like optifine.

[mental oriole]

I wonder why...

[low scaffold]

Hello there fellow Pioneer!
You're currently chatting in off-topic channels.

Please note, the entire off-topic category is reserved for not Satisfactory related chattery. To comply with your FICSIT Inc. contract, please make use of the appropriate channels in the Satisfactory category. Thank you!

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[dire igloo]

Wrong channel mate

Wrong channel AND wrong category

[soft bloom]

oh i love it when its all cursive

[mental oriole]

Thats just selected font... the clipping tho...

[soft bloom]

i mean like when Discord displayes everything in cursive... just happens.

yeah, clipping was also annoying

[mental oriole]

It's because of my phone font...

[soft bloom]

huh. that happened to me on Windows inside app

[mental oriole]

XD

[short marlin]

Optifine makes it run better btw.
Java is so unoptimized.
Started as a project by a few self taught programmers.

But they don't need to optimise it better when there are multiple performance bringing mods

[night girder]

Yeah, no.

Yes, it optimizes the game. But if you use shaders, it will tank it.

and the only reason I installed optifine (as many others) is to use shaders.

[short marlin]

Yeah. Shader tank it again.
However if you compare Vanilla Vs Optifine only you get more FPS

[night girder]

Yeah, optifine out of the box. But it also have dynamic lights and other features.

[short marlin]

And then there is bedrock.
Built completely from scrap and optimised way better to run on PS3 and smartphones

[night girder]

that can hit performance.

there are a few difference between java and bedrock, in gameplay I believe.

but it was like silly differences

[soft bloom]

I need an expert

You know these memes of photos of radiating object that has weird broken pixel noise? Suggesting its sign of radiation, right

I just boticed something concerning. There was aurora visible recently (yes, i am in Kyiv, it's not normal here, at all). And i see somethign similar on my photos

ok nvm i see that on older photos too

but also, kinda seems like there's less of it...

[glossy glacier]

Still useing optifine? Nothing else? really missing out then

[night girder]

there is nothing wrong with optifine, it get's updated constantly.

[glossy glacier]

While optifine still enjoys the the shader compatibility, sodium is much more performant, open source, more mod compatible and more modern in general

[edgy hazel]

maybe your camera is just broken

[jagged snow]

So you're asking if there was radiation from the aurora?

[stray badger]

Sodium + Iris is better

[stray badger]

Closed source, single peraon project, missing compatibility

[dire igloo]

can also just be a grainy image for lack of lighting in a sensor that can't handle low light

[soft bloom]

yeah. which would be pretty wild...

[jagged snow]

This is the likely scenario

[soft bloom]

grains are different in nature

i sent to -media channel RAW files

[soft bloom]

they seem larger and more prominent, against more frequent and less noticable

there's about 18 month difference in time and different location. also exposure is different. but ISO is same.

Discord mobile app is stupid and somehow sent msg twice and also reported the second one "impossible", haha. but they are there

[jagged snow]

Feel free to ping me again with this in around 4-5 hours when I'm home and can look at those raws

[soft bloom]

hmmm, to be fair, on large monitor it seems less of a difference.
still, red dots seem more noticable somehow

[kindred badge]

If we built a space elevator in real life, shouldn't there be a height where the base isn't feeling any forces?

[charred willow]

The right photo has some light aurora in it, thought it was noise initially, patterns too weird

Left photo is aurora outside of the telescope I work at recently, was crazy

@soft bloom if you ping me when you get back I’d love to peek over them too!

[kindred badge]

Like at a certain height, the top won't be feeling any forces, since the orbital speed is equal to the rotation speed of the planet, so if it goes higher, the top will be pulled away from the planet, as the orbital speed is now LESS than the rotational speed of the planet. So after a certain height, the top would be experiencing the same amount of forces as the bottom, but in the other direction, and that should cancel out

[soft bloom]

i think it wasn't as bright for me (or air pollution)

i have not-raws but they look less interesting

made on smartphone with max iso 4000

[visual tree]

Nooooo

[glossy glacier]

gotta act quick now

[visual tree]

I might as well shutdown whole NAS until I get a new hdd

I can survive without it for some time

[languid gulch]

iirc most of the stuff I've read about space elevators requires them to be a bit longer than geostationary, so that the line out to it is always under tension

Having a slack line would end up making any kind of vibrations make it whiplash up and down the line

[soft bloom]

like now? 🙂

[jagged snow]

Yep

[safe trench]

@jagged snow

[jagged snow]

That's fascinating behavior

Those are actually dead pixels on your sensor

[soft bloom]

Oh... But how?

[jagged snow]

How old is the phone?

[soft bloom]

3 years

[jagged snow]

Odd

If you want to dig more into it, could you take photos at base iso and 1/50 shutter speed of a white wall and a fully black environment?

[languid gulch]

idk if he has the budget to go to space

[jagged snow]

Space is not fully black, if you want to get technical

[languid gulch]

true

plus you might end up with some dead pixels up there anyway

[jagged snow]

Yeah, I'm curious weather these are just hot pixels or actually stuck pixels

Because hot pixels are very common on cheap camera sensors

Stuck pixels, not so much

[languid gulch]

what about demure pixels

[jagged snow]

I prefer my pixels cool and relaxed

[soft bloom]

#off-topic-media message
1/5s exposure
Same 4000 iso

[edgy hazel]

My pixels are fucking vibing dude

[jagged snow]

Base iso would be the lowest setting

And do that at 1/50 and something like 1s

[soft bloom]

#off-topic-media message
That looks like way less pixels

Oh, the lowest iso...

[jagged snow]

Yep

And at a short and long exposure

So something like 1/50 and multiple seconds

Wow

If you attatched the right image and that was at 1/50, you've just got a bad sensor

[soft bloom]

Discord is really weird when sharing photos. For shatever reason when i tap "send" it actually sends but doesn't give any feedback that it does so and doesn't exit the sharing menu so I just tap couple times and it actually attempts tos end every time...

[jagged snow]

Yeah, that's super odd and something seems broken

[soft bloom]

checks out with file details

[jagged snow]

It's a bummer, but there's nothing you can do to fix it

And probably not anything you did that caused it

[languid gulch]

iirc camera sensors are good for like 250-300k images before they degrade

[soft bloom]

nowhere near that

unless recording video counts

[languid gulch]

nah

[soft bloom]

in which case dozen hours couldbe added

well. that phone endured some drastic falls

[languid gulch]

might've knocked something loose

[soft bloom]

Actually screen holds surprisingly well. It has built in gorilla that got shattered. But is functional 🙂

[soft bloom]

I doubt it affected something so tiny as pixel on sensor

[languid gulch]

gravity can be a bitch

[jagged snow]

Even more than that tbh

It's just all about quality in manufacturing

And under what conditions you're shooting

[languid gulch]

yea my info's prolly 10 years old on that

[jagged snow]

Under "normal" conditions on a camera, the sensor is going to be the last thing to fail

Your storage, mechanical mechanisms, and most other things will die before it

Same holds true for a phone

[languid gulch]

one of my friends had one camera that deactivated itself after 300k because that's how many the sensor was rate for

[jagged snow]

Shooting video is way harder on the sensor

[jagged snow]

Probably shutter, not sensor

[jagged snow]

But most quality sensors are fine to like 25000 hours of video

[languid gulch]

i can't remember, the store said that it wasn't worth trying to rebuild, so idk

[jagged snow]

Yeah, probably mechanical shutter

300k is not an atypical rating and rebuilding them is usually not worth it

[languid gulch]

isn't that attached to the lens & not the sensor?

[jagged snow]

You're thinking of aperture

[languid gulch]

oh crap you're right 🤣

i blame lack of caffeine

[soft bloom]

Ok, since that question was brought up anyway: is there a way to detect space radiation? (Aside from having large datacenter thta corrects errors, haha)

[languid gulch]

kinda

we have instruments like SOHO that are out at L1, and we can detect stuff before it makes it to earth

[soft bloom]

I heard... Polish(?) scientists studied space rays and concluded that they happen more in areas where large earthquake hits. Gota check what they used

[soft bloom]

It took me some time to figure out that L1 is not layer one cache but Lagrange piint 1

[charred willow]

I don’t know much about it, but my school has a few radioscopes that they use and I think that might work.

We have a pretty large radio astronomy club and quite a few radio scopes, mostly student fun projects

[languid gulch]

we can detect stuff, we just can't predict stuff

& stuff from the sun tends to be moving slower than cosmic rays

with the new gravitational observatories, we get a bit of lead time with some stuff, sometimes even enough to turn light-based telescopes in the right direction

[soft bloom]

question is more of - does surface in regions at different latitudes get more radiation from space? given that magnetic field is weakening

[wanton orchid]

yes

[soft bloom]

how much? does it affect health? any measures shoudl be taken?

[wanton orchid]

depends where you are

at extremes yes

health not much

but equipments yes

atmospheric thickness is main too

but it also depends where you are

if you are high and on polar areas you get much much more exposed

[soft bloom]

that's what i really want to find out - given observations of auroras at lower latitudes, by how much exposure to radiation (not in sense of nuclear) increased

aka how to measure it

[edgy hazel]

It is honestly so discriminating that I need to wake up at 6

[languid gulch]

look east if you want a chance to see a comet

[dire igloo]

Zen5% no longer
https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-5-6-ghz-all-core-cpu-faster-than-7800x3d/

[edgy hazel]

It didn't even try...

[gritty goblet]

... This seems a lot like that "try not to think of a pink elephant" thing

Kinda makes you wonder if there's something similar going on or if the LLM just missed "without"

[soft bloom]

What? Why?

Very offtopic
Technical onpoint

[undone wind]

clearly you never heard of Y2K...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2000_problem

[edgy hazel]

clearly you don't own an airfryer

Also don't be pretentious. Most of us here are pre 2000s

[undone wind]

Im not the pleb who asked me what I meant. or didnt ya notice I had to explain it

[edgy hazel]

The "What? Why?" was because you posted a grainy ass meme from 2012.

[undone wind]

thats going around the interenet again.. ever think that was kinda the point, derp.

[edgy hazel]

[undone wind]

UpBeat HeMan meems are going around as well

[edgy hazel]

On facebook and Instagram maybe

[jagged snow]

Not sure what the point is in acting like a jerk for no reason

[undone wind]

dunno ask the person yourself why they pinged me, then another jumped in after I gave clear reason. welcome to block bubye.

[jagged snow]

Everyone else in this convo has hung out amicably in this channel for months or years
Nobody wants to hear it

[undone wind]

I mean if you wanna whine go cry to Herg for talking smack.

[edgy hazel]

You talk like a 80 year old that has just found out about youth slang in a movie from 1995.

[undone wind]

herg I said why and then you admitted being a follower of it or ya wouldnt know thats where... so yeah. cant unstep from it

[edgy hazel]

You're so cool. I bet other people in other channels or server would love to be part of your circle. Maybe go there?

[undone wind]

post a meme, get pinged cuz they clueless, I give a straight up definition, and yas talk smack to me. I'll just hit block on both yas, I let your joking slide but when some 3rd party jumps in talking shit yeah game over.

dont even reply too late.

[edgy hazel]

lmao

@dire igloo read this

[jagged snow]

Types like a semi-literate hillbilly

[edgy hazel]

It's insane

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/over-6-000-wordpress-hacked-to-install-plugins-pushing-infostealers/
Also WordPress issue number 4.356

I lowballed a bit

[wanton orchid]

"we have security team"
"- and what does it do ?"
"- be employed ofcourse"

[dire igloo]

Posted an old af boomer meme and then acted like a super pretentious douche

[edgy hazel]

"WP-Engine is freeloading our well managed plugin repository"

[dire igloo]

Post a meme from the 2010s
Get confused reaction
Act like a douche from the very next message

clearly you never heard of Y2K...
"straight up definition" my ass

[undone wind]

oh look another to join the club... lemme add you to the ticket

[dire igloo]

And even those that aren't heard of Y2K - and be it in the context of Y2K38

[undone wind]

thats exactly why I posted a link explaining it

then those two joined in and got hurt..

[edgy hazel]

Mods have blocked the clown react

[undone wind]

all good already blocked them so... no matter.

[edgy hazel]

Oh nah he blocked me. Got it

Well he'll be talking to himself in no time

[dire igloo]

Why don't you add this other person?
The one who called others pleb and derp and talked down like they were above all others only to then show their fragile ego by blocking people calling them out and reporting them to the mods.

#off-topic-tech message
#off-topic-tech message
#off-topic-tech message
#off-topic-tech message
#off-topic-tech message

[stray badger]

Bro hopped in, got butthurt, and decided to report all the regulars lmao

We've been here for years now

[undone wind]

nah I only reported the one spitting hate speech

[dire igloo]

We've got our fair share of mod intervention and believe me when I say that this is gonna fall on deaf ears

[dire igloo]

Hate speech? Where?

[edgy hazel]

I was about to say it hasn't been that long for me and then checked. Been here since 22. Fuck

[dire igloo]

Mate, you were made fun of for being pretentious and your reaction is to be even more pretentious.
You're in a losing fight and decide to help the enemy

[edgy hazel]

I'm not the enemy 😢

[stray badger]

How do you check?

[edgy hazel]

Just click on your profile

[dire igloo]

Since 22 02 2022 to be exact

[stray badger]

I see

2021

Almost 4 years.... damn

[dire igloo]

Clearly they see you as such

[edgy hazel]

Am I good or what

[dire igloo]

Wdym almost 4? 3 and a few months

[stray badger]

Oh wait june

I just looked at the year

You're almost at 4 tho, only 3 months to go

[edgy hazel]

A real boomer

[jagged snow]

I'm over 4 🙃

Kinda vanished recently

But I've at least been around for that long

[twin dew]

WordPress as itself is AFAIK pretty secure.
But it is the plugins you need to keep really close eye on as many are just security disasters in waiting.

And when the average number of wordpress plugins any site using it has is over 10 AFAIK...

[pure karma]

not exactly the smartest play

[pure karma]

yea time flies its allready been over a year since my carnage

[edgy hazel]

I still remember as it was yesterday when you came in the first time because you bricked your GPU

And the shortly after that again because you fucked up another one

[wanton orchid]

imagine getting into a channel not liking the mood
and instead of leaving you block everyone inside it
and instead of leaving then, you start to "report" to mods

suprised I'm not blocked yet damn

[edgy hazel]

Ping them

Call em a doofus or something and you're gone and reported too

[soft bloom]

Is there something to effciciently find ...
Imagine 3 dinensinal space with (potentially overlaping) parallelepipeds
Goal is to find best combination of exusting ones that fit inside search one.

Technically ofcourse you can ahove them in sql with columns for start/end x/y/z and do the searches compute volume and select based of that...

best combination would be least amount items (i hate long word "parallelepiped") selected

• Least items to be added to fill the search item

[edgy hazel]

parallelepiped

[undone wind]

@soft bloom btw Apologies I honestly thought you were actually acting like you were clueless about it or trolling, actually had a few DMs tell me that y2k wasnt real and never was a problem I thought ya were jumping on that bandwagon. So my apologies If I came off cocky in reply.

[soft bloom]

oh wait, i need the one with straight angles

sube but not equal sides

[soft bloom]

i ahve no idea what you are talking about

[undone wind]

when you ping replied to the y2k meem I posted earlier, all good.

[soft bloom]

LMAO

i thought it's some computer voodoo like apocalypse on year 2000 hehe

gota love the way people crunch to optimize stuff to later shoot themselves into foot

[undone wind]

lmao thats exactly the cause of that. optimization and making that data small as possible (albeit back then meeh size kinda was a thing)

[charred willow]

How do I check how long I’ve been here?

[pure karma]

i only screwed up 1 but i screwed it up probably 10 times

[undone wind]

right click your name its in your full profile. vs just clicking the name. you dont see that of yourself till you click full profile

[jagged snow]

Meta ads on an article about meta being sketchy

(From a site that has done sketchy things)

[tough owl]

this is why I dont read the verge

[maiden coyote]

Lol..

Apparently I missed out on yet another one

[jagged snow]

Absolutely necro'd my joke there

[jagged snow]

Discord is chock full of interesting people

[maiden coyote]

I saw stuff and had to scroll up lol

[jagged snow]

That's understandable

[maiden coyote]

Really just escalated that over a y2k meme.. alrighty lol

[jagged snow]

Yeah it spiraled out of control with comical rapidity

[maiden coyote]

Indeed.

[undone wind]

and even better person did not even know what it was read what they said. I can care less about the plebs acting all hight and mighter for ANOTHER PERSONS MOUTH.

[maiden coyote]

Why are you still here?

[undone wind]

cuz plebs ding me?

then ya know get all racist and hatespeech so I keep calling them plebs and get mad more.

[maiden coyote]

I find it amusing that you're still mad, and sad that you've got nothing else better to do.

[undone wind]

Im not mad, Im laughing cuz they got mad

I apologized and turned out person didnt even know what y2k was

ya litterally listening to 3rd parties talking for someone. derp

[pure karma]

just noticed youtube updated the notification icon again... somehow managed to make it worst as always

idk what they where trying to do but that is just not it

[sharp oasis]

To air on @jagged snow words. Many of us have been in this chat for months if not years without issue. You sent two memes and started coming at basically the regulars over a well done to death joke from basically almost a decade and a half ago. Give it a rest. Go like touch grass (if you have any) , interact with the loved ones (if you have any) , play a game. (if you have any)
I just find your appearance here very comical. To be very honest any reports to the mods will probably fall on deaf ears not cus they are bad mods as they can have one look at this chat and discern what happened.

[undone wind]

hey if the racists and hate speechers didnt even get involved it never would been anything in the first place cry to them. like I said they were speaking for someone else who I even talked to later and laughed about it. next. join the list

[sharp oasis]

🤣You have got to be delusional. From what I can see and a pretty good history of these fellas there really hasent been much racism or hatespeech here and this incident surely is no exception. This seems like genuine over sensitivity to a very mundane and overused topic. Please go touch grass.

I will have to say thank you for giving me a genuine laugh. As I've already had a terrible day. And again. TOUCH GRASS

[sharp oasis]

Aaand I'm blocked.

Musta not had enough grass

[soft bloom]

i skipped through all the drama and feel kinda guilty thinking that my question was the one that started it all, hehe

[sharp oasis]

Before Im lectured about adding nothing I know I added nothing of substance. Its okay.

[soft bloom]

YT just recommended me Bazzite

[languid gulch]

would be fun to see AMD copy intel & come out with P/E cores. could you imagine what something with a 7800X3D power cores plus 12 5900X single thread cores would do

[glossy glacier]

Look at the New ryzen ai chips.
Zen5 + Zen5c
Also 7900x3d and 7950x3d. Both are one zen4 chiplet and a zen4x3d chiplet

[twin dew]

The Zen c (compact) cores were the idea.
And there are AMD CPUs with mix of the high-clocking non-c and lower clocking c cores.

Smaller size, lower max clocks, but same command etc. support.

[languid gulch]

i thought that 12-14th gen were combos of old architecture for the e cores

[twin dew]

No, bespoke Atom versions for E-cores.

[dire igloo]

Racist? Hatespeech? Where?

[twin dew]

So Core line cores for the P-cores.
Atom line cores for the E-cores.

[languid gulch]

well crap. now i want AMD to go for the insane TDP & actually combine the old cores with the new ones 🤣

bypass Intel's trademark by using full fat old gen cores for it

[twin dew]

Moving the old core to new node would be about as complex task as making that more power efficient smaller cores.
And they are already doing the Zen#c cores for servers anyways.

Performance vs. area&power optimized versions of same architecture.

[languid gulch]

easy, just resurrect the old south bridge & stick the older gen cores there 🤣

[twin dew]

Why?
When they would use more power than the newer ones?

Because of the node differences.

[languid gulch]

i was more thinking if they had leftovers

i was also mostly just screwing around with the idea

of course it'd be an awful thing to do, but man it'd be fun to see even more cores stuffed into an amd cpu

[glossy glacier]

Zen #: Base Design, Max Power, Max Clock
Zen #X3D: Same design as base with more L3$ in top, reduced power&clock to protect the cache
Zen #c: same compments just in a more physically compact design. trading power and clock for more space, fitting more cores in the same space

[glossy glacier]

Oh, you mean all the new AM4 chips? 🙂

[languid gulch]

i might be grabbing one

5900XT is $320, waiting for a bit more of a discount

[twin dew]

Those are almost certainly new production for the demand.
Not left-overs AMD is trying to get rid off.

Older nodes are cheaper per wafer.

[glossy glacier]

5700X3d was literally leftovers

[languid gulch]

weren't they failed 5800X3Ds?

[glossy glacier]

Mhm

[twin dew]

5800X3D is out of production since 5700X3D was released.

[glossy glacier]

Didn't need the clock/core specs for the 5800x3d

[twin dew]

5600X3Ds were left-overs.

But 5700X3Ds seem to be something more.

[glossy glacier]

Maybe I mixed them up

[languid gulch]

maybe test batches of X3D manufacturing techniques?

[twin dew]

Probably the server side Zen3 X3D demand dropped so much that AMD couldn't maintain the binning for 5800X3D without too much waste, as the "waste" didn't go to server side anymore.

[languid gulch]

idk how much of that would apply to 7000/9000 series

[twin dew]

So they dropped the spec to get 5700X3D.

[languid gulch]

is the cache the same node?

[twin dew]

5600X3D was single batch to single retailer and was left-over failed chips.

[languid gulch]

oh right, forgot that was to microcenter only

[twin dew]

Different version AFAIK.
Which is the reason for that lower voltage tolerance.

Specced to work fine with the server CPUs.
But to get desktop CPU full voltage range would have needed less dense variant of the node.

[glossy glacier]

Cache does not profit from smaller nodes

[twin dew]

SRAM doesn't to same extent.

[glossy glacier]

Cache is SRAM

[twin dew]

But does somewhat.
But point is that the node needed to be compatible, and small enough to fit over the L3 cache slice of the main CCD.

[languid gulch]

if it was the same type, i would have thought that it might be good manufacturing practice to get it right on lower end CPUs like the 5600/5700X3D before applying what they've learned to the big stuff

[twin dew]

There is scaling with SRAM, just not as much as with logic.

[glossy glacier]

Yeah, but I think we hit the practical limit for now?

[twin dew]

TSMC 6nm to TSMC 5nm from AMD:

[languid gulch]

would there be any benefits alongside the new ram type?

the CUDIMM?

[twin dew]

Ah, sorry, TSMC N7 to TSMC N5 probably in that one.

Where N6 was improved N7 used for later laptop Zen 3 chips.

[twin dew]

CUDIMM is just extra chip on the RAM DIMM.
Timing signal redriver.

[glossy glacier]

CUDIMMs the same dram chips, they just have a on-dimm clock re-driver for better clock signals

[twin dew]

Midpoint between RDIMM and UDIMM.

And DRAM nodes are completely separate from logic nodes.

[languid gulch]

would the nutso speed increase help out the 3D vcache?

[glossy glacier]

No

Or rather depends. If you are memory bound? Sure. Clock bound? No

[wanton orchid]

its always the cache helping the ram, not the otherway around
what hit the cache does not hit the ram

cache bandwidth is absolutely greater than ram one

[languid gulch]

i blame 2am brain for forgetting that

[wanton orchid]

that means rdimm always had clock redrive ??

[twin dew]

That register chips acts as buffer for the traffic from CPU IMC to the RAM.
So command, address and clock are all buffered.

Data lines aren't.

[wanton orchid]

oh, so clock too I didnt understand that sorry

[twin dew]

And LRDIMMs had buffering even for the data lines.

[wanton orchid]

I though clock was mainly tied to data lines

[twin dew]

No, all those other lines work to the clock signal.

[wanton orchid]

so overclocked rdimm ecc makes even more sense now

[twin dew]

CPU IMC sends command signals, address signals, clock signal and then outgoing write data signals to the RAM.
And RAM sends the read data back on those same data lines.
In UDIMM, all go direct to to each RAM chip.
So more chips, more work for the IMC to drive the signals.

CUDIMM adds buffering to the clock signal, so IMC only needs to drive single chip per DIMM, and not 4 (1Rx16), 8 (1Rx8 or 2Rx16), 16 (2Rx8, 1Rx4) or 32 (2Rx4) chips per DIMM.

RDIMM has that buffering for all but data that the IMC sends to the RAM.
And then LRDIMMs had buffering even for the data lines.
But with data lines, each of the data lines only connect to one chip per rank on DIMM.

So the load is much lower than with the others.

So on normal 1Rx8 or 2Rx8 DIMM, that clock redriver drops the load on the IMC by 8 or 16 for driving the clock signal.

[wanton orchid]

thank you for disambigating this
so then I understood right, but for the clock you explained
so I like rdimms

[twin dew]

They have their good sides.
Just that the buffering with the register chip adds few clock cycles of latency as downside.
And the extra cost of the register chip.

And then there is the fact that consumer CPU IMCs don't support talking to RDIMMs.
No idea how much extra there is to support that.

[wanton orchid]

all I know is threadripper supports rdimms fine
and "low epyc" skus are going on pro mb
does not seem that hard on imc side, simply an option generally regarded as useless for consumer space imo

[twin dew]

AFAIK the 4004 "EPYC"s don't support them, as those are just consumer chip rebrands.
Same with Intel on their lowest end "Xeon"s, that are just Core rebrands.
Even on the separate MBs with "server" chipsets that enable the ECC UDIMM support for those "Xeon"s.

But the server/edge versions of Atoms do support RDIMMs.

[wanton orchid]

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/docs/programmable/772538/23-4-6-0-0/routing-guidelines-for-ddr5-rdimm-udimm.html imteresting

[twin dew]

That is for FPGAs.

But yes, the normal side is similar.

[wanton orchid]

I guess if it work for fpga it would work for normal cpus too ?
maybe there are some other tips for even greater performances for normal cpus ?

[twin dew]

Cannot know, and those are just for 1 DPC, no 2 DPC support at all.
Which then adds other requirements.

[wanton orchid]

I simply found that interesting, not that it matters a lot
I'm still searching for rdimm vs udimm pinouts though

or is it that these uses exact same slots ?

[twin dew]

Different key with DDR5.
With DDR4 and before they were exactly same.

As DDR5 UDIMMs use 5V and DDR5 RDIMMs use 12V.

[wanton orchid]

oh ok, so frying prevention I guess

[twin dew]

Yes.

When in older generations they just wouldn't work if the memory controller didn't have RDIMM support.

Which is why OC RDIMMs weren't a thing before DDR5, as you could just put UDIMMs instead of RDIMMs if you needed higher RAM speeds.
With or without ECC support.

But now you cannot put UDIMMs into RDIMM board.

[wanton orchid]

wouldnt udimm on rdimm prepared imc wear the imc command lines much quicker though ? or is it always dimmensionned like with udimm ones because virtually no cost ?

/ increased command quality instead of decreased endurance

[twin dew]

What wear?
It is just about the current drive capacity in the driving FETs.
If it can feed enough current to drive the lines and chips capacitance to wanted voltage level fast enough or not.

The wear in the silicon should be neglible normally.

[wanton orchid]

I meant sizing of these fet

I belive they don't need as high throughput for rdimms?

[twin dew]

Would allow even higher frequencies and more reliable data transfer if sized to do usable UDIMM speeds.

[wanton orchid]

So ok

[twin dew]

Yes.
Clearer data eyes from the improved driving of the lines.
There just are limits how large you can make them in the logic node without making them too slow from that side etc.

AFAIK.

And synchronizing multiple ones gets harder more you have.
From process variances causing fet speed variances for the neighboring cells.

But basic is that larger the FETs current handling capacity, larger the capacitance in its gate, so more current it needs to be fed turn on and off.
So that makes it slower to switch.

Lot more there of course, but as the general trend.

Almost no current draw when at steady state, but more charge needed to be charged or discharged to switch.

[vale finch]

Best CPU currently for satisfactory? I assume something with killer single core performance?

[wanton orchid]

and cache

x3d parts are best

(as well as increasing efficiency)

[vale finch]

Yah, was thinking about those x3d chips

Maybe the upcoming 9800x3d

[pure karma]

probably still X3D cpu's even with the like 3X in performance i have personally noticed on team blue as of 1.0 so neither are particularly bad just depends on preference

[soft bloom]

i think i shouldn't have been manuall writing if-else to cover cases of how to split a datetime range in roughly halves, considering that i am at minimizing usage of hours there...

perhaps its better to just jump straight to searching for complete ranges to select from ..?

[edgy hazel]

Have you tried DROP TABLE your table name here;
?

Will make your work easier

[soft bloom]

worked perfectly, now my problems are gone, thanks.

[edgy hazel]

np 😊

[tough owl]

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/10/bytedance-intern-fired-for-planting-malicious-code-in-ai-models/ the hero we didn't know we needed

[mental oriole]

Stop calling it AI...

[visual tree]

I bet I could fool people into believing IF function in excel is powered by AI

[mental oriole]

I wouldnt be surprised.

[night girder]

There is people out there who claim "AI" isn't even code

[dire igloo]

depends on your definition of code really

in a sense, a cooking recipe is code

[wanton orchid]

it KNOWS when to perform first command or second one
depending on what's Asked

job done

[night girder]

“Code” refers to a set of instructions written in a programming language. These instructions serve as the blueprint that directs a computer to perform specific tasks or operations. These instructions are designed to perform specific tasks or operations, ranging from simple calculations to complex data manipulations and interactions with hardware.

So no, a cooking recipe is not code.

[soft bloom]

if i show recipe to chatgpt with image recognition, would that make recipe a code?

[night girder]

ChatGPT, like its predecessors, is primarily built using Python.

Python is a high-level, general-purpose programming language.

People who want to argue "AI" is not code, either don't know what AI is, or are kinda sticking their heads in the sand.

[wanton orchid]

it can be seen as human processed code depending on the formalism of the recipe

you perform instructions ordered on the paper

[night girder]

I started my argument with the definition of code. If you want to give it another definition, fine, but that ends the argument.

[dire igloo]

depends on your definition of "computer" and "programming language"
lemme show you what I mean:

“Code” refers to a set of instructions written in a [...] language. These instructions serve as the blueprint that direct [a cook] to perform specific tasks or operations. These instructions are designed to perform specific tasks or operations, ranging from simple [mixing] to complex [seasoning] and [serving].

[wanton orchid]

which are relatively simple instructions

[night girder]

It's always the same here, you people just twist around definitions of words, until it fits your narrative 😂

[wanton orchid]

I didn't change the definition of code
that is the point I simply put human as computer
and recipe instructions primitives as.. instructions

[dire igloo]

the only way that you can define code to only refer to computers is by explicitly including them in the definition

[night girder]

Hagve you even read what I posted?

[wanton orchid]

Also btw strictly speaking code is executed by processor not by computer

[night girder]

Let me post it again:

“Code” refers to a set of instructions written in a programming language. These instructions serve as the blueprint that directs a 👉 computer 👈 to perform specific tasks or operations. These instructions are designed to perform specific tasks or operations, ranging from simple calculations to complex data manipulations and interactions with hardware.

[night girder]

Where do you read execution?

[wanton orchid]

directs

[night girder]

directs != executing.

[wanton orchid]

it's execution

[night girder]

No?

[dire igloo]

Wikipedia:

In communications and information processing, code is a system of rules to convert information—such as a letter, word, sound, image, or gesture—into another form, sometimes shortened or secret, for communication through a communication channel or storage in a storage medium.

so yeah, cooking recipe is not code cuz you transform ingredients into a meal and not information into whatever
that said, language is code

[wanton orchid]

it is

[night girder]

Atleast not in my language.

[dire igloo]

we've encountered language barriers before

[wanton orchid]

you are saying it's not synonym which is true by completely ignoring what is talked about
which here is execution

[night girder]

Direct: To give guidance and instruction to (actors or musicians, for example) in the rehearsal and performance of a work.
Execute: To create (a work of art, for example) in accordance with a prescribed design.

[wanton orchid]

it does not direct anything without execution of it

it is the technical term

[dire igloo]

again, that depends on the definition of a computer
before electronic data processing became a thing, computations were carried out by trained people doing maths by hand (maybe with assisting tools) whose job title was "computer"

[wanton orchid]

BTW execution is also the technical term for a musician performance

[night girder]

WHAT?

[wanton orchid]

yes

you can comment on a musician's execution

[dire igloo]

you can't direct a computer without it execution the directions you gave

[night girder]

So, are you both trying to argue, that AI isn't code?

That's just insane.

[wanton orchid]

it just is rarely used in common speech because it's not what we focus on

[night girder]

I challenge you. Create your own "AI" without typing one piece of code. And you have to create it. Not USE it by finding it on github. Highlevel code or low level code. 0.

[wanton orchid]

while in processors we do speak about that specific part of it a lot

but it's always there

[dire igloo]

you may be more familiar with the term in the context of gymnastics:
if a gymnast delivers a routine with no mistake, it's referred to as good execution, there's even a score for this (execution score)

[dire igloo]

no, I'm not. I believethat throwing around broad terms for categorization is stupid and I'm just trying to ridicule anyone doing so

[night girder]

Once someone does that, than I am convinced AI doesn't rely on code or is madde by using code.

[wanton orchid]

are you currently using chatgpt ?

[dire igloo]

define "AI", define "code"

[wanton orchid]

because this so ungrounded unrelated to specifics

[night girder]

I already gave a definition on code that I accept. Twice by now.

[dire igloo]

if AI by definition has to be code, your request is nonsensical

[wanton orchid]

I came arguing that a recipe is already code
and you say that we are talking about things not being code when you were the one saying it's not

almost 100% trolling

[vale finch]

Execution is also when someone gets unalived

[night girder]

a recipe isn't code. It has nothing to do with computers. It's for humans to cook spaghetti.

[dire igloo]

to continue the cooking metaphor: you're asking us to write a recipe without making a list of instructions

[wanton orchid]

Letterdief slowly starting to get into
theater programming and other stuff existing before electric lights even known to be a possible thing

[jagged snow]

Just to chip in, I would define a program as any series of explicit instructions

[wanton orchid]

the music is literally Coded on paper

[wanton orchid]

it's the official definition already

[night girder]

1. I stated that I find it amusing some people think AI doesn't have any code related to it. That it's just magic. It exists.
2. I said that because an intern planted malicious code into a AI. That was just linked.
3. People starrted to argue, "but cooking is a recipe", and also code.
4. I posted definition of code.
5. You start to argue, but a computer can be anything.
6. I tap out because this has no point.

[dire igloo]

A recipe is an algorithm tho:

In mathematics and computer science, an algorithm is a finite sequence of mathematically rigorous instructions, typically used to solve a class of specific problems or to perform a computation.

solve class of specific problems: make a person no longer hungry
"mathematically rigorous" is a big can of worms tho, I'm just now reading into it

[dire igloo]

the first programmer ever used punch cards that were used for creating weaving patterns in looms

[night girder]

Last post, let's hear what AI has to say mhm?

Question: Is an AI just code?

At its core, an AI is indeed built on code, which consists of algorithms and data structures that enable it to process information, learn from data, and make decisions. However, AI also encompasses various components beyond just code, including:

Data: AI systems require large amounts of data to learn and make predictions. This data is used to train models and improve their accuracy.

Models: These are mathematical representations of the relationships within the data. Different types of models (e.g., neural networks, decision trees) are used depending on the task.

Training: The process of teaching an AI model using data, which involves adjusting the model's parameters to minimize errors in its predictions.

Hardware: AI often relies on specialized hardware, such as GPUs, to perform the complex calculations required for training and inference.

Applications: AI is applied in various fields, such as natural language processing, computer vision, and robotics, which involve integrating the code, models, and data into practical solutions.

So, while code is a fundamental aspect of AI, it is part of a larger ecosystem that includes data, models, hardware, and applications.

And the latter part is a bit funny, because a lot of code depends on data, models and hardware. If I write an API, it needs all those things. If I write a UI, the same applies.

The only part missing from API/UI is probably the training.

[dire igloo]

it's all just a matter of definition really

if you define AI in such a way that it inherently has to be built with code, of course that's what it is

[soft bloom]

how do you guys do test logic inside frameworks that dictate how to disparce business logic throught codebase?
becasuse like for proper tests you need to make abstractions all the way and then locality of behaviour goes on vacation

mind it's a question of tradeoffs 🙂
i just never fully liek how it goes, haha

[dire igloo]

I'll just throw in these two pieces of information:

1. some people refer to any form of automated data processing as "AI"
2. the above "definition" can be adjusted/interpreted in a way that biological intelligence fulfills the criteria

[wanton orchid]

it needs local specifics
that's why it so often goes to shit
it's called executive arrogance

[dire igloo]

in the end, we haven't even understood the biology of intelligence, how are we supposed to make an artifical one?

[soft bloom]

5 and 6: thing is that definition of AI is kinda always shifts to horizen. if we were to review definition and usages throught history, it would be very apparent that despite all advancements people are always market using buzzwords and others are always unhappy with results

[night girder]

I don't care. At this moment, all the AI's we know, we built with code.

The whole computers, runs on code.

You can try to twist and turn that logic, but that's the way it is now.

What the future brings, that's scifi for me, and not worth to use as facts in a discussion.

[wanton orchid]

there is the old use of AI which is complex decision making software
and the new AI bullshit which have no fucking definition and is basically whatever any marketing drug asshole try to make people believe it is

[soft bloom]

where do you put neural network weights on that "model"? is it part of code?

[dire igloo]

and the way it is now our world is three-dimensional and time moves linearly

[night girder]

I don't want to go back to dark ages where we believe Gods lived in the clouds that created thunder. There is a logic here, AI isn't magic.

[jagged snow]

If you're going to define assembly or binary instructions as code then every single thing that gets executed on a general-purpose computer is code

[dire igloo]

there are always assumptions we make

[wanton orchid]

here it's a matter of having actual will to make sense of what one says (mainly you here)
not some believing
and you can always says as much bullshit as you want and that will stay true

words are words

[night girder]

I don't fully understand what you are trying to say here.

[edgy hazel]

Oh god it's that discussion again

[jagged snow]

Fun, right?

[wanton orchid]

I'm saying that AI does not have to mean anything for people to "use" it for marketing bullshit reasons

[soft bloom]

ay technology that is beyong our understanding will be percieved as magic.
Do we understand why ChatGPT is what it is? not really.
We wrote code and built infrastracture that somehow reflects real world using math (talking about process of learning and storing matrix weights)
We understand process, but the resulting product reflects things about real world that we don't yet understand.
As result, partially by complexity of it all, it feels like magic

[edgy hazel]

Can we talk about furries or something instead?

[soft bloom]

#what-is-ai

[night girder]

It's not the what is AI discussion.

[soft bloom]

technically, they must have anthro features, right?

[night girder]

I had that once with Sharklien, and I agreed with them. AI isn't AI.

[wanton orchid]

you cant talk about a specific thing without being specific

[edgy hazel]

The lines blur with feral sonas

[dire igloo]

I've had a discussion once that tapped into this very idea:
what if "so god created man in his own image" just refers to an idea of a process and not a literal creation?
That biology, evolution and all that are just a specialized set of instructions intended to bring forth a result more complex than the instructions themselves in an attempt to mimic its creator?
The same idea behind humans building AI in an attempt to mimic human intelligence?

[edgy hazel]

Some are still furries while others are going into the kin territory

[wanton orchid]

it falls quickly
mimicking instruction is inherently a very human concept

it's basically saying "it's not me it's god" for always bad reasons

[soft bloom]

the thing is that i don't like online presence being built around such ... interests.
it feels cheap

[wanton orchid]

if you stay humble you are not going to assume anything as to "why" univers is like it it

[dire igloo]

the third of Clark's laws states "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

[night girder]

I don't want to discuss if AI is artificial intelligence or not, I see it as machine learning. I said my piece; the current "AI's" we have are all built on code.

[wanton orchid]

code and data

[edgy hazel]

it's not for most I assume. It's just... sex sells. If you look into other fandoms it's prolly just as much smut

[soft bloom]

i guess Newton wasn't humble and got smacked with apple

[night girder]

and my standpoint still is, I will keep using AI since 99% of the people use it to describe the same thing. If I ask my niece what an AI is, she will say chatGPT.

[wanton orchid]

Newton was not atlking about why but about how

(as in willingness the other meaning of why is science)

[wanton orchid]

the thing is it's not the same thing

[dire igloo]

"what is a car" - "a Volkswagen Golf is a car"
this process of definition quickly falls short

[night girder]

I know!

[wanton orchid]

and marketing still use that bias to put it everywhere

it's keeping confusion on-float

[soft bloom]

"why apple falls?"

• because gravity

[night girder]

But, I want to keep it simple sometimes when communicating with people. Like my family. I don't want to start a whole discussion about "You can't say AI, it's actually machine learning." What do they know.

[wanton orchid]

that is science
but above we were talking about an other "why" linked with willingness

[night girder]

If my mom says some AI bot asked for her bank account number, I am not going to correct her it's not AI. People all use it. Even journalists.

[soft bloom]

i think we need EU to fix that

but they (comission) will ask ChatGPT about itself, so... low chances of success

[wanton orchid]

I'm going to correct her as "stop using that useless word it just means nothing, call it what it is : some bot online" it's way more useful

[night girder]

That's not how I am 😅

[soft bloom]

what is artificial anyway?
if baby was born with help of doctors? if it learned in skull and not in jungles? does it mean their intelligence is artificial?

[night girder]

Made by humans, especially in imitation of something natural.
Not arising from natural or necessary causes; contrived or arbitrary.

[dire igloo]

It's all about people's approach to religion in that context, whether you think you know or whether you hope someone knows

[edgy hazel]

yeah but journalists also say stuff like "We Care About Your Privacy. We and our partners store and/or access information on a device, such as unique IDs in cookies to process personal data. You may accept or manage your choices by clicking below, including your right to object where legitimate interest is used, or at any time in the privacy policy page. These choices will be signaled to our partners and will not affect browsing data."

[dire igloo]

exactly this - just running with it is allowing misinformation to spread and mislabeled AI to continue existing

[soft bloom]

so we are artificially inteligent

[night girder]

We are made by humans, but we don't imitate anything.

If we would have been made without you know an egg and seed. Totally in a different way, then we might be artificial.

[edgy hazel]

I imitate being a functional human being

[night girder]

I don't know if test tube babies are artificial 🤔

[soft bloom]

schools imitate natural learning process of finding wise people, reading smart books and practicing skills

[dire igloo]

what if the egg and the seed found together through human intervention (lab)? what if it was a different kind of human intervention (sex)?

they don't naturally find to each other

[night girder]

Yeah, was thinking the same.

[soft bloom]

2 people met not in jungle due to natural cycles but simply because dating app promoted user on paid plan - artificial, imitation of natural selection

[night girder]

But that would still be "natural" no?

[dire igloo]

schools judge monkeys, birds, cheetahs and fish by their ability to climb a tree

[soft bloom]

just like wildfires judge everyone, including earth worms, by ability to fly away from fire. imitation

[soft bloom]

so, finally, what is "natural"?

[dire igloo]

you're reaching the point of metascience where it's no longer about trying to understand the world but to adjust our models of the world in a way that we can still make clear distinctions in a muddy ecosystem

[soft bloom]

and i didn't yet ask what is "intellegence"

[night girder]

What do you think natural is?

[soft bloom]

there's somewhere a limit at which you realise what a dogshit pile of meanings words are in our heads, completely detached from actual definitions that often suck ass...
only matters understanding of what is out there and what people use in their vocabulary.

[dire igloo]

any attempt at trying to label something out in the world will either fail at making a clear distinction or it will fail at aligning with society's understanding of things

[soft bloom]

completely arbitrary thing, since we evolve. whatever we find as original plan is natural, everything else can be viewed as artifical. like cheating in game.

[dire igloo]

you don't need to fly away in order to survive. just like a bird can reach the top of the tree just by flying up there, anything can survive fire if the individual sacrifices itself for the species

like eucalyptus reproducing super well after a fire

and also being highly flammable

[night girder]

original plan?

[dire igloo]

there is no proper definition

[soft bloom]

if you write a code of program, you have a plan how it needs to work. if you then go in admin mode and alter records in database - that's artificial

[dire igloo]

and if the program alters the code itself? (genetic engineering)

[soft bloom]

for example in established ecosystem with no humans there are some natural processes of resources distribution (plants domination, hunters etc). it is dictated by initial conditions (resoruces, climate) and DNA of species. you can say that is the plan. if people come in and intervene -that's artificial.
But if people modify an ecosystem acording to new plan then natural disstares will be artificial relative to that plan

[soft bloom]

you as creator planned for it - that's natural.

question is are bugs natural or?..

[night girder]

depends on what you call bugs 🤷‍♂️

unless you know the great plan, you can't know what's intended or not.

[soft bloom]

also i came into a problem that if DNA is plan, and including determenistics viewpoint i took, it must be that development of various "AI"s is natural and so they are not artificial.

but intelligent part still stands unanswered

[night girder]

I will let you know when I see AI's hanging from a tree

[soft bloom]

idk about "great" plan. I just went from definition of natural that semed plausible and didn't put human in the center of definiting everything like what "feels" natural according to history etc

[night girder]

Point still remains, you can't know what are "bugs" if you don't know how the code is and how it is intended to work. For that you need to know the code. And that's impossible atm.

[soft bloom]

it's hard to define what intellect is. I was susprised to know that there's model that distinguishes 8 different intellect types.
simple truth is that that IQ test is overhyped

[night girder]

I just view natural more simple as in: let nature do it's course, or without the intervention of humans.

[soft bloom]

but devs can kinda expect bugs to occur (be found), so them seem natural

[soft bloom]

once again, that puts humans outside of nature. but why?
there's a separate word for that: anthropo-

[night girder]

we are part of nature, but we can influence it. It's both.

I don't put humanity outside nature at all. But we have a ability to interact with nature and even change it's course.

[soft bloom]

just curious: where does that point of view stand relative to determinism?

[night girder]

A good example is the creation of lakes.

If we wouldn't be able to interact with nature the way we do, we couldn't create artificial lakes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Artificial_lakes

[night girder]

Another example are diseases. A lot of them would kill us unless we intervened (medicines etc).

We are constantly fighting with the natural course imo.

[soft bloom]

what about dams built by animals? are they artifical?

[night girder]

They are natural, because humans don't intervene.

[night girder]

This definition sums it up. We imitate beavers by building dams. We imitate something natural.

Just curious, but why question well established definitions?

Is it because you don't agree with them?

I understand people trying to be critical thinkers, but questioning everything will lead to chaos.

Every word and it's definition can be argued over, we wouldn't be able to communicate.

[soft bloom]

questioning is part of discovery process.
kinda like poking a bear. but without it you might mistaken it for a rock with moss.
also i often find how public percieves definitions very far from book definitions, and from logic

I hate current definition of planets that just shows how we want to classify more than we want to understand

[night girder]

But that's how language works. We all agree that words mean* what they mean.

If I say a tree, I hope, you have the same definition as me of a tree. Else communication will become difficult.

[soft bloom]

you picked bad example 🙂
definition of what a tree is is quite shitty

[night girder]

🌳

[soft bloom]

i find that people often agree with how public percieves definitions without questioning it and become limited in their understanding. often mislead. there were examples of that in usage of "AI" discussed here.

[mental oriole]

Late to the party, but ChatGPT is a token predictor.
It predicts the next token, not ai.

[night girder]

But then next you questioned what natural is, and artificial. Also the definition of code was being questioned.

If you can't agree on the definition of what code is, just for the sake of an argument, what's the point.

[soft bloom]

and what would be an ai?

[jagged snow]

IMO, something that is capable of spontaneous creativity and inspiration as well as truly original thinking and much much greater reasoning abilities than current models

[mental oriole]

Pretty much.
Reason, and learn based on the environment (aka real data in real time)

[dire igloo]

now we stand in front of some big plant and argue whether it's a big brush or a small tree

[night girder]

Or we look it up and find out.

[dire igloo]

there's one even stronger question:
what if a species makes decisions which influences their evolution?

in this specific case: Orcas deciding whether to roam long strips of coast or to stay in one place. one of the first (if not the first) species to influence their evolution through their decision

[night girder]

How do you know they decided?

[dire igloo]

I'm gonna predict and say it's only a tree if it has a single trunk connecting the branches to the roots

[night girder]

a plant having a permanently woody main stem or trunk, ordinarily growing to a considerable height, and usually developing branches at some distance from the ground.

[dire igloo]

https://youtu.be/GimCcrwYxdE

[mental oriole]

Some distance can be 1mm?

[night girder]

considerable height ...?

[dire igloo]

I love how the stem is the only definitive part of this definition
ORDINARILY growing to a considerable height (implying human intervention like with Bonsais)
USUALLY developing branches at SOME distance from the ground (super vague)

[night girder]

but it's true a branch can grow very low

[mental oriole]

I had to

[night girder]

I am being trolled 😭

[mental oriole]

[edgy hazel]

behold: a tree

[mental oriole]

[edgy hazel]

i... i made a dick didn't i

[mental oriole]

Maybe.

[edgy hazel]

[night girder]

in more than one way 🙈

[languid gulch]

LOL so my mmo introduced a new server today

lasted a whole 12 minutes before they had to bring it down

[tough owl]

Anyone surprised

[soft bloom]

AI wont ever be capable of spontanous creativity
but my main complaint is that people push requirements of what AI should be to horizon, all the time. and that doesn't work well... so doesn't marketing overuse of it

there was something about a different aproach to build intelligence, with artifical "consciousness" which is... interesting, to say the least. but it wasn't open for public to investigate much, except for interview with evaluation group. so, idk.

[soft bloom]

mutliple trunks? what is it sprouts trunks all around spreading underground? (that's actually a fascinating organism that leaves in.. Alaska? i think)
Do palms qualify as trees? bamboos?

[soft bloom]

is this a tree?

what about this?

ok i wont post any more pictures

[dire igloo]

can't see the permanently woody main stem or trunk

second one isn't permanently woody

[soft bloom]

who's Woody?

[dire igloo]

remember Herg talking about dicks?

[soft bloom]

i would like to express the fact that "woodeness" seems vague and has nothing to do with how we percieve often classify trees by visual appearance.

also pretty sure trees have to reproduce sexually

or whatever that's called for plant

btw, i think similar problem exists with how public percieves "AI"/bots/whatever - they don't examine how it functions, how it was created. often those details are obscured.

here, a fruit of questioning "well established" meanings

AI is like a tree - we see it one way, want it to be the other way, and forget to investigate wtf it actually is

||i want to somehow reference "are frogs people?" from TTP, but not finding a way||

turns out Scrapy doesn't have "RETRY_DELAY" setting, i was lied to because i wanted it to exist and it seemed like a plausible implementation of obvious feature

Talking about patterns and IP:
youtube.com/watch?v=A_XGsAl-LqY
"the worst man in tech"

[verbal raft]

WTF

[languid gulch]

that is incredibly green. must've been after a lot of heavy monsoons rolled through

[wanton orchid]

the evolving then comes into to play and you finally start speaking real
calling it artificial intelligence is not really useful and is harmful to society (yes it's beneficial to some asshole bank paper number ratio but that's about it)

it's misleading

it's a mistake

[soft bloom]

I think i agree more than not

[cyan crescent]

Is there a way to make as close to all steam, epic and blizzard games as possible work on linux? Im thinking of switching to linux.

[dark sluice]

The vast majority of Steam games should work through Proton, and I believe there are Epic launchers that will also pass those through it

I don't know about Blizzard though

protondb. com has a list of which games do/don't work

[fresh night]

dwarf fortress compiled for windows runs better on steam deck in proton than dwarf fortress for native linux :)

[stray badger]

proton is pretty good

it makes better use of optimizations than a lot of native ports

[tough owl]

Bottles or Lutris is your best bet

[maiden coyote]

Pretty much any and all games can be made to work on Linux with a varying degree of effort.. until anticheat gets involved

And gpu drivers.

[cyan crescent]

I understand the reason behind anticheat but it fucking sucks at its job

[dire igloo]

You'd be surprised by the amount of cheaters you'd have if it weren't there at all

I think it was COD who removed the community-despised matchmaking system - turns out people absolutely hated when they were matched against people from a higher skill level cuz they got stomped

[cyan crescent]

So what happened as a result?

[dire igloo]

They re-introduced it and made a public announcement á la "told ya so"

Gamers are quick to hate on devs for certain systems not working well and demand these systems to be removed - when in reality, the system is working to some fashion and they want it to be better, not gone.

[cyan crescent]

Well when anticheat sees a completely innocent program it has never seen before and goes “oh shit. A hacker on linux. Ban” shits annoying

[dire igloo]

Well duh

As long as the devs are approachable about it and will reinstate you if the program is actually fine, good

[cyan crescent]

Or even banning because synapse is just existing for the lightning on my keyboard and you get a ban

[dire igloo]

ngl, you problem, unironically
Don't use Synapse and don't be surprised for lack of Linux support in game anticheat

[cyan crescent]

I never really played multiplayer pvp games and have never been banned as a result but i feel like just going linux might trigger it on games.

[edgy hazel]

Running CS2 on Linux. No issues here

[dire igloo]

A lot of games are also just unsupported on Linux

Riot Vanguard doesn't run on Linux, so LoL, Valorant and idk what else isn't playable

[edgy hazel]

For the good of my mental health

[cyan crescent]

I mainly play satisfactory, dyson sphere program, warframe and a couple others

[dire igloo]

Yeah, but it'd be pretty damn stupid for Valve to not have on of their top games playable on their very own Steamdeck

[edgy hazel]

Warframe mentioned

[dire igloo]

I do LoL broadcasts for a local esports org, so Linux is off the table for me

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-excited-gif-12266754