off-topic-tech

[severe valley]

hello tech ppl: building new rig for satisfactory 1.0, and was wondering: is it worth getting 7800x3d instead of 7600 for this game? as there is very little testing done on cpu heavy games

[twin dew]

Yes, this is one of the games where X3D gives near 100% uplift compared to non-X3D.
And 7800X3D can do 80 FPS in 30MB save as tested.

[maiden coyote]

Damnit...

[twin dew]

Well, that near 100% was from 5600X to 5800X3D on otherwise same system and save.

[gilded helm]

That PST dilemma of whether it's worth staying up.

Oh, snap, only the stream is 5am, not the release.

[rustic panther]

I have a 5800x3D and when I upgraded from a 3700x the difference was insanely noticable

So yes, I'd say the 7800x3d is a better choice

Honestly it's also one of, if not the, best cpus atm for gaming

[severe valley]

ye, but its also a lot more expensive 😂
And I am debating, between better gpu, or better cpu

[rustic panther]

Depends on your budget

and what exactly you're building for

If you build for Satisfactory, I'd say get that x3d

But I don't know what GPU youd pair with that

What you could also do is use your current gpu if you have one and save up for a bit more, since those are easy to replace, if you're just short budget-wise

[severe valley]

ye, use 1050 ti with 5800x3d 😂

I am doing once in a 10 year upgrade

[rustic panther]

Oh I wouldn't even upgrade the CPU

The 5800x3d is still hella capable

[severe valley]

ye, so my pc is so old, I am basically building a brand new machine now 😂
Nothing cannot be reused, maybe ssd (but I think I am leaving that in its old place)

[rustic panther]

Throw that cash at a baller GPU

And whatever else you need, and carry over the motherboard/cpu

[slate shoal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8gBH2J3sW4 <t:1725980400:t> tomorrow. same time as Satisfactory 1.0

[severe valley]

old cpu is also potato potato 😂

[severe valley]

maybe for gtaVI? 👀

[dire igloo]

Nothing cannot be reused
simply not true. CPU is definitely still fine, MB and RAM may be too

[slate shoal]

no lol

[dire igloo]

5800X3D is hella capable

[slate shoal]

maybe there will be a new trailer. I don't keep my hopes up tho

[dire igloo]

better than Ryzen 5 7600 in Satisfactory

[slate shoal]

considering that satisfactory manages to use all the cores pretty well, I could see that happening

[rustic panther]

It's the cache

[severe valley]

old cpu is: i7-6700T
But then I have so much money left over, I can buy 4080 😂

[rustic panther]

But you have a 5800x3d, right?

[slate shoal]

it's not always the cache. there are examples where the 7600 is faster than the 5800X3D so it's not a given

[twin dew]

No, Satisfactory really doesn't use all cores well, just two main threads (game, render).
But that huge cache is what does the wonder.

[rustic panther]

For satis the extra cache is very nice

[severe valley]

no. im thinking of buying either 7800x3d + 3080(ti), or 7600 and something like 4080 / 3090

[rustic panther]

Ohhhhhh

[twin dew]

And mostly the games where the cache doesn't matter, the FPS with both is insane.

[rustic panther]

I see

[slate shoal]

yeah, I've never seen many satisfactory benches but I believe it. I have a 5900X so it's plenty for me

[twin dew]

This line was what threw us all off.

[severe valley]

could be 😂
It was response to someone saying to use old gpu 😂

[rustic panther]

Yeah, that was me

And I thought that that was your current build lmao

[full tide]

hi

[rustic panther]

It's happened before that someone came in here with a really good but slightly older rig and wanted a complete rebuild so I didn't see it as a joke :V

[pure karma]

well nice to see you still atleast have a bit of hope after my disaster

[rustic panther]

I wasn't even thinking about you tbh :V

[dire igloo]

why did you say 5800X3D then?

ah it was a joke

about using 1050 Ti

[dire igloo]

old gen hardware is rarely ever worth it.
Definitely go 7800X3D if you want to focus on Satisfactory and also want to play into endgame.
for GPU, whatever the best you can fit without major sacrifices elsewhere

[gilded helm]

If Arrow Lake or 9800X3D make it to laptops, Satis could get me to upgrade. Maybe. We'll see. Not at launch prices though.

[maiden coyote]

Any gpu 3060 series or higher recommended.

[fervent tree]

cries in RX480

[maiden coyote]

If you want lumen

[dire igloo]

Arc

[severe valley]

ok, 7800x3d > 7600 it is 🥳
thanks for the help

[maiden coyote]

If not, then it doesn't matter.. a 1080 will handle it

[slate shoal]

oh, if you're building a new rig and can afford a 7800X3D, definitely go for it

5800X3D would only make sense if you're already on AM4 and not on Zen 3

[dire igloo]

*7800X3D > 7600

[maiden coyote]

But 3060 will get you dlss and all the other pretties they've added

[gilded helm]

If 12900KF hits $210 again, don't overlook it.

[dire igloo]

(is greater than)

[severe valley]

oh ye right, wrong sign 😂 😂 😂

[languid gulch]

yea, i'm kinda torn between 12900KF & 7800X3D

i've been wanting to try out the efficiency core stuff

[sick oar]

i just made a new build with the 7800X3d, ill post a pic in #off-topic-media

[modest isle]

love my 7800x3d. breezes thru everything

[stray badger]

love my 7950x3d. breezes thru everuthing

[dire igloo]

Ironically, 7800x3d smashes 12900K in efficiency

[gilded helm]

Bleh, working tomorrow all of a sudden. At least I can still goof off enough working that I can play Satis.

[languid gulch]

yea but for some reason 2 more cores than i have doesn't really feel like it's worth it to do a complete platform upgrade

[twin dew]

How much number crunching type workload are you then running?
To need total all-core performance?

Which is CPU heavy game, not number cruncher.
Completely different cache and RAM access patterns.

Where the extra cache helps a lot in the first, but not at all in the latter.

Number crunchers are optimized to not overuse the CPU caches of the development time CPUs.
Games aren't and cache-trash heavily, causing suboptimal performance and lot of extra RAM accesses.

So the extra cache helps with the latter, to reduce the cache-trashing, giving performance boost.
But as the optimized software isn't cache-trashing, they don't benefit from the extra cache.

Also game code is much more interdependant, while most number crunchers usually don't have interdependancies between the code running as separate threads.

[sullen sinew]

I'm about to build myself a new machine but both Intel and AMD have chips releasing in the next month or so, along with Nvidia and the 5000 series. I wanty to see the new Core 200 series and the benchmarks.

[twin dew]

Laptop only.

[sullen sinew]

Yeah Arrow lake is due within the next month or so, along with the 9000x3d range.

[twin dew]

Ah, seems there was actual higher core count versions coming of Arrow Lake.

Thought it was just the laptop CPUs on desktop.

[sullen sinew]

A retailer listed the new Arrow lake chips by mistake

Intel's next-gen Arrow Lake chips have been listed on a UK retailer website under the Core Ultra 200K branding, with specs that seem reasonable

That was yesterday.

Could be

[twin dew]

Because those are being manufactured by TSMC and not Intel for all the chiplets AFAIK.

[sullen sinew]

obv rumour but this was the listing.

Core Ultra 9 285K - 24 cores, 5.7GHz - £566.20
Core Ultra 7 265K - 20 cores, 5.5 GHz - £392.82
Core Ultra 7 265KF - 20 cores, 5.5 GHz - £377.52
Core Ultra 5 245K - 14 cores, 5.2 GHz - £301.03
Core Ultra 5 245KF - 14 cores, 5.2 GHz - £285.73

[twin dew]

Yeah, Intel 20A was cancelled and Arrow Lake moved completely to TSMC.

No, the CPU chiplets were supposed to be Intel production, the others TSMC.

[sullen sinew]

In terms of actual, verified information about Arrow Lake from Intel itself, we still have very little. We know that the new processors will be built primarily by TSMC, with packaging by Intel Foundry, in the midst of the news that Intel will be dropping its 20A process in favour of 18A.

Copy and pasted ofc.

[rustic panther]

You know what's a shame though? Ryzen 9000 isn't on userbenchmark

I could use a laugh

[sullen sinew]

I see reddit is in brakedown over it lol.

[twin dew]

Because they don't have actual dies in them at all.

[sullen sinew]

I saw that the cheek of people same as teh GPU cards that are generations behind what the box says.

[twin dew]

Wouldn't be real problem if Amazon didn't mix all sources of "same" product into same storage bin.

[rustic panther]

Understandable, how else does any consumer know that a 12300 is much better for gaming than a 7800x3D?

[sullen sinew]

I'd use a different program, I've never used Usernbenchmarks myself so yeah lol.

[rustic panther]

Good, it's complete and utter trash

[sullen sinew]

My go to is normally CPU-z

[twin dew]

But as it currently stands, if both the real manufacturer and some chinese fake producer send the same product code to Amazon, they will be stored in same bin and if you order from the real manufacturers subsite, you might get fake sent by the other source.

Those too, with Amazons nonexistent return inspections.
But that binning of "same" products affect everything.

[rustic panther]

I found UBs ryzen 9000 review!

Paraphrased: "Ryzen 7000 was DOA, 9000 allegedly has a 14% performance increase in highly specific cherrypicked benchmarks but no actual performance benefits, Intel 12th/13th gen are still the best value CPUs (and Arrow Lake will have a 10% performance uplift!) but Intel might go bankrupt anyway because every youtuber and tech site is being paid off by AMD!"

One that hasn't accepted that AMD makes genuinely good silicon these days

[twin dew]

Site run by single guy with inexplicable gigantic AMD hate for some reason.
And has been tweaking the benchmarks used in very funny ways to make Intel and Nvidia seem better than they are.

For a long time.

[rustic panther]

I was just about to mention making the scoring primarily single-core performance based when Intel could only win there

[twin dew]

But the site runner has had some kind of personal axe to grind with AMD for 10+ years.

[sullen sinew]

Probably didn't get a freebie from them so has pure hate for them.

[rustic panther]

Well now his website's credibility's in the gutter lmao

[twin dew]

Among those that know.
But still always at top search results.

Meaning that those that don't know, who are the majority, will still visit.

[rustic panther]

Yeah

[gilded helm]

Like Fandom wiki

[languid gulch]

so the lesson today is "the 14900K was so shit that intel wants everyone to forget the naming scheme they used for 15 years"

[sullen sinew]

They change over time like it used to be called the core series before the I series.

[dire igloo]

You do realize that the amount of cores means fuckall with generational IPC improvement, right?

[sullen sinew]

Pentium remember was first

[dire igloo]

Intel marketing dumbfuckery again counting E-cores the same as P-Cores?

[languid gulch]

oh i know, but also Bigger Number Better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRI94x5MEMM

[sullen sinew]

They all do it one way or another, big something up on paper but in real life it was adjusted to suit. In all industrys just look at teh VW scandle with emissions.

[dire igloo]

By that logic, Intel's i3-8100 should beat AMD's 7800X3D

[languid gulch]

🤣

[dire igloo]

Except that VW deliberately manipulated their cars to produce these lower numbers while tech manufacturers are usually just cherry picking data (G2G response times, Intel core counts, etc)

[sullen sinew]

oh I know it was just a example with how all manufactures of products cheat, or adjust, or cherry pick. AMD IIRC were guilty of false numbers on their chips a number of years ago, I suffer mental health stuff so have a fucked up memory lol so could well be wrong but I do remember something like that.

[languid gulch]

oh yea FX

"when's a core not a core?"

[dire igloo]

Chiplets and cores etc

tho iirc they were still better picks at low budgets, just waaay worse than Intel chips with similar advertised specs - cuz those used actual cores

[languid gulch]

oh 100%

plus intel was still riding on that bullshit of "all you need is 4 cores"

[dire igloo]

Anyways, good thing that AMD went into a slumber after Piledriver and then came back out with Ryzen

[dire igloo]

Up until Ryzen released, so they scrambled to make 8700K a sixcore

[languid gulch]

iirc they were almost bankrupt before ryzen came out

[slate shoal]

oh yeah, if Ryzen failed, AMD would've went bust

[rustic panther]

Well do I have the website to reinforce that belief!

Also Ryzen 1000 was the best thing to have happened to the cpu market in a looooong time, after 5 or so years of mild incremental upgrades from Intel

Even just because it kicked Intel back in gear to make things worth looking at

[languid gulch]

i still feel like i stole my 1700X for $175

i got it the week 3000 series came out

[rustic panther]

Decent price for that cpu, still pretty capable AFAIK

[languid gulch]

then i grabbed my 5600X when it hit $175 🤣

got the best pic too

[rustic panther]

Heck yeah

[languid gulch]

check out this wild shit

july 2022

5600 $5 more for some reason

[dire igloo]

My 3800XT cost the same as a 3700X when I bought it, also a nobrain deal

[slate shoal]

those are some really bad prices. I'm getting a 5700X3D any day

[slate shoal]

oh, those are from '22?

oh yeah, lol

[languid gulch]

same day, literally one above the other

[grim panther]

i am wondering if there is a limited at discords block list size.

[twin dew]

Both 5600 and 5600X cost the same for AMD to make, just frequency difference.
Much higher price difference when new.

[gilded helm]

Maybe it's going to break in less than a year, but if not, this thing was a steal at $99. It had advertised including a Tesla adapter, and I'll complain to Amazon. But if they ultimately don't cough it up I won't even care.

It has pretty much no features. No timer, nothing. But I'm pretty sure there are a lot of people who would actually pay extra for that! So far just plug and charge.

[edgy hazel]

Well I feel good that the 5800x3d has barely changed in price

Usually means it's holding up good

[rustic panther]

I mean it's still the best thing to put on an AM4 motherboard

[ivory rampart]

Its still one of the best gaming cpus, demand is high most likely

Im not even sure if all the 9000 lineup beats it in gaming

Have not looked at benchmarks

[dire igloo]

*if cache matters
In scenarios where cache doesn't matter, it's outshined by 7600 - and for X3D value you got 5700X3D and maybe 7600X3D

[ivory rampart]

In games it almost always matters

More games where it does than where it doesnt

[dire igloo]

Buying a 5800X3D in today's times just doesn't make sense

[ivory rampart]

If you are on am4 it does

You get to keep mainboard and ram for a nother 2 or 3 years

[dire igloo]

5700X3D exists at a much lower price

[twin dew]

But in almost all of those cases the FPS is so insane anyways that it doesn't matter which you have?

[ivory rampart]

Okay but you might want thhat little bit extra

Without havibg to switch platform

[dire igloo]

It's more about minimizing frametime spikes than it is about boosting the average

[dire igloo]

They are literally the same platform, wdym?

5700X3D is a slightly cut down 5800X3D for like two thirds the price

[ivory rampart]

A little bit extra compared to the 5700x3d without having to spend big bucks for new am5 gear

Its 100 upcharge vs 400 for new am5

[dire igloo]

$209 versus $289

[ivory rampart]

Yeah as im sayi g

[dire igloo]

Is it $80 better?

[ivory rampart]

Thats worth it to some people.
It would be to me

[dire igloo]

Show me the numbers

[ivory rampart]

No, but its best you can get for am4

Im not sayibg its 80 betrer

80 dollar more vs 300 to 400 more for platform upgrade

[dire igloo]

It is the best, but it doesn't make sense against buying 5700X3D

The performance difference doesn't justify the price difference

[ivory rampart]

You cant tell people what it is worth for them personaly

I get your point but you have to accept that people have different mindsets.

[dire igloo]

This is not about people's judgement of money, this is mathematical cost difference versus mathematical performance difference

[dire igloo]

And? People can make stupid decisions, doesn't invalidate the point that it doesn't make sense.
People do shit that doesn't make sense all the time.

gamersnexus.net/cpus/new-amd-ryzen-7-5700x3d-cpu-review-benchmarks-vs-5800x3d-more#5700x3d-game-benchmarks

There. Numbers.

[twin dew]

But in cases people can choose to take the more expensive option.

Even if it isn't as cost effective as another.

[ivory rampart]

Convenience is a factoe

[dire igloo]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/amd-ryzen-7-5700x3d-cpu-review/2

[dire igloo]

Convenience is literally not a factor.
You are buying one AM4 CPU or another

[ivory rampart]

Going by your logic everyone would get only the best price to Performance parts.
Wich isnt realit,

[twin dew]

So 5700X3D is better value, but 5800X3D does give tiny bit more performance, for higher price and worse price-performance ratio.

[dire igloo]

People are free to spend more for more performance.
This can have two reasons:

1. They need this much performance
2. They can afford the cost inefficiency
   Usually, a mix of both.

By YOUR logic however, performance and price differences ultimately don't matter cuz anyone will just pick whatever they want anyway.
Which is stupid.

[edgy hazel]

What have I done. Next time I'll just keep my trap shut.

[dire igloo]

You get like 10% more performance against 5700X3D for a >38% higher price

[ivory rampart]

Yes, ad there are valid reasons to go for either one

[edgy hazel]

Also what kinda name is "Umbranocturna"?

[dire igloo]

Just checked, you have AM5 entry cost at $400

[dire igloo]

What valid reason is there for 5800X3D? Name one

[edgy hazel]

I have one 😦

[dire igloo]

Actually, yeah I can think of one:
5700X3D isn't available

[edgy hazel]

man...

I'm getting ripped to shreds by fireworker over here

[dire igloo]

That's the main reason for any 5800X3D owner

[ivory rampart]

Already did but you refuse to listen

[dire igloo]

The 9% higher performance?

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/amd-ryzen-7-5700x3d-cpu-review/2

[ivory rampart]

Pointless to continue

You refuse to understand viewpoints different to yours

[dire igloo]

Name one scenario in which 9% higher performance actually matters

[ivory rampart]

It matters to me

End of story

[dire igloo]

I'm trying to, but all your points revolve "people value things differently" which ultimately just means "let people make stupid decisions"

Oh no, I'm only getting 91 fps and not 100, whatever will I do?

[ivory rampart]

Id like that fps since it feels better

And ill gladly pay a little more

[dire igloo]

I'm 100% certain you couldn't tell the difference if you didn't see the numbers

[edgy hazel]

Here is a picture of my sisters dog being very sad because you two keep arguing in a very hostile way

[dire igloo]

"a little" aka the price of a 32GB DDR5 RAM kit

If you can't afford am5 but want/need to upgrade your CPU, then $80 is probably a lot more valuable than 9% performance

[twin dew]

But seems 5800X3D isn't really available in EU anymore.

[ivory rampart]

I did not get hostile before he started ignoeing me.
But it is what it is.

[dire igloo]

That's like two or three weeks of good food.
Multiple nights of going out with friends

[twin dew]

Which explains why the price is so high for those places that do still have them.

Out of production and replaced with 5700X3D.

[dire igloo]

When did I ever ignore you?

[ivory rampart]

It was like a month ago

[dire igloo]

I read and respond to almost all of your messages

[ivory rampart]

Well mot me directly, but most things i say

[dire igloo]

Yeah, I refuse to acknowledge some of the points you make - because they're just stupid

[twin dew]

So this is about an already made buy?
And not about a planned future one?
So even more pointless.

[dire igloo]

9% performance matters a lot more than $80

[twin dew]

Price-performance is never absolute thing.
It is just one part of the buying decisions.

[dire igloo]

If it's about a past purchase decision, I can at least acknowledge why they're so adamant that 9% performance matters

[dire igloo]

imo, price is one thing, performance is another. The relation between those two comes later

If you can't afford anything over $250 for a new CPU, decision is made

Performance is kinda hard to argue for me here cuz imo 9% doesn't matter.
But let's say you have a hard minimum of 200 fps in some game for physics/engine reasons and while 5800x3d gets 210, 5700X3D only gets 191 fps.
Then the decision is made too

It's only when both are valid options that you have to judge performance against price.
And then it's just some of the biggest diminishing returns I've seen in modern tech

[dire igloo]

German market: 186€ versus 340€

Where's the cutoff?

[ivory rampart]

If i wanted best price to performance i would not be on a 6950 xt

[edgy hazel]

Yeah you'd be on a 7900xt

smh you get infinite price/performance from a PC behind the 7/11

[dire igloo]

Ironically, even after RDNA3 released, 6950xt was a common pick.
It filled the $600 gap that was now closed by 7900gre.

[dire igloo]

You can not want best price to performance and still not make insensible picks

Those aren't mutually exclusive

[dire igloo]

Hence why it's not all about value

[wanton orchid]

I mean it's about value .. to your usecase

People often forget that

550 that works for you have infinit more value than 450 that does not

[rustic panther]

When you bought one the 5700x3d wasn't available yet, for one

Also, if you're going to throw money on an AM4 gaming CPU that should last you for a good while, might as well throw a little bit more at it and get the best gaming CPU on AM4

But 190 euros for a 5700x3d is one hell of a deal

[dire igloo]

#off-topic-tech message

[rustic panther]

Great minds think alike!

[solar crag]

tech question! I have a lenovo laptop which has malware on it, I cannot remove this, I have tried everything, I try remove it and I get blue screened, I have tried to factory reset the laptop and the malware stops alla ttempts. any suggestions pls

[dire igloo]

Point is tho: it's a 9% performance difference.
Once 5700X3D is no longer sufficient, 5800X3D will follow very soon

[dire igloo]

Remove SSD, install new

If you can access the laptop's BIOS you may be able to just wipe the SSD from there

[solar crag]

I have tried all the bios stuff, physiciall;y removing the ssd would probably work though

[rustic panther]

Yeah, but that will take a long while, but in general I do agree that the 5700 is much better value than the 5800

[twin dew]

And the separate installer will not care about the malware.
Just as long as you never boot into the old Windows with the stick connected.

[rustic panther]

Try booting into a linux usb and wiping the disk from there

[dire igloo]

I made a different point tho: I said that 5800X3D in today's market doesn't make sense.

[twin dew]

So make Windows install stick at a friend or another computer, then wipe in the Windows installer.

[solar crag]

Yeah I've tried getting a new OS, just blue screens when I try

[twin dew]

Point was bootable installer, not running installer from inside the Windows.

[solar crag]

yeah I had a bootable installer on a drive but it just didn't work

[dire igloo]

Unless the price gap closes (or one isn't available), is there even a single good reason to go 5800X3D over 5700X3D?
Because imo there is not

[rustic panther]

Yeah, the 5700 is much better value at this point

[ivory rampart]

[solar crag]

I have a spare SSD that fits into a pc, and I’ve taken out the laptop SSD, it’s a tiny little chip and the regular SSD does not fit the same connection. There is an empty space in the laptop perfect for the regular SSD, is it possible to get some kind of connector for this or is it better to just replace the laptop SSD chip?

I’ve removed the circled red from the space also circled red for reference

[twin dew]

Because M.2 and SATA are not the same.

And as your laptop didn't come with SATA drive, it is missing the cable for one.

[solar crag]

So just a cable would make it work?

[distant sonnet]

Yea at 17 a clocl we can flush the Toilet

clock

[twin dew]

You cannot get one, as they are laptop model specific.

[solar crag]

Oh okay so just replace the m.2 chip?

[twin dew]

Or just erase the M.2 drive contents...
Because if the malware was able to do UEFI implant, then the whole laptop is basically toast.

Because you would need to reflash the UEFI firmware flash chip on the MB with external programmer.

[solar crag]

I have tried to erase it first just in windows with a reset and refactoring the drive, then by booting from an external drive, and in bios, I'm not very knowledgeable on this kinda stuff so I feel like I am out of options now

[twin dew]

And the same steps you would need to install OS on any replacement drive are used to just install on the current drive, when booting to the installer via the UEFI.

[solar crag]

I boot from the flash drive with a version of windows on and when I get to the setup screen it says it cannot recognise the drive or find what it needs, I don't remember the exact message, but when trying on any other laptop/pc it works fine. I feel like the malware is just blocking every attempt

it was on the laptop for years and I just ignored it, it only became an issue when trying to remove it

[twin dew]

Just MB drive controller in RAID mode and needs drivers.
Or setting the MB drive controller into AHCI mode.

In UEFI/BIOS

[solar crag]

I'll look into it, ty for all the help!

[twin dew]

What Intel CPU generation?

[solar crag]

i5

[twin dew]

That is branding.

Generation is the next one or two numbers after that.

But the Lenovo support site for the specific laptop should have the install time RAID drivers available as separate download.

The included files need to be unpacked and put on some USB stick or like, and then manually loaded at that "no drives" screen.

[solar crag]

ty I'll find them now

[twin dew]

Intel RST drivers, not the full installer but the small install time driver package.

But with just single drive, just setting the SATA controller to AHCI mode in the BIOS is better.

It is probably default on RAID to have HDD + Optane cache combo in lower end SKUs of the same laptop.

[hardy ibex]

Anyone know if the experimental branch is staying on Update 8?

[mental oriole]

Last time I checked factorio does not haev an u8 branch.

[young canopy]

I'm wondering if I have time to reboot to BIOS and boost my computer settings (basically increase the cTDW limiter on my CPU/MB to practicle maximum so it uses thermal sensor calculation instead.   Have a good noctua heat sink so burst cTDW is insane.  I have never hit the high thermal-throttle limiter in my entire time owning this CPU/Heat-Sink combo.)

Practical maximum would be 400W if I'm considering the fact that my GPU might register it's cTDW usage in ACPI/APIC management.   Yeah, I've got a weak-ass overly-efficient AMD GPU that caps out under 200W for both memory and GPU.

[young canopy]

Honestly speaking, with memory prices crashing these days it's better to max out your RAM than rely on Optaine cache if you can.

64GB of RAM will give you a similar speed boost without the added wear on your drive.

[twin dew]

That was about OLD laptops that came with 16 or 32GB Optane NVMe SSD, 2.5" HDD, and tied those into cache setup with Intel RST from factory.

And better SKUs came with just with M.2 SSD.

That in that specific laptop, the SATA controller was set to RAID mode by Lenovo for that, which is why he couldn't normally install Windows.

[young canopy]

Depending on how old those are, they typically have at least 16-32GB maximum memory capacity unless they are hard-soldered.

[twin dew]

And how is any of this relevant to the issue?

About how specific laptops were produced long time ago?

There is no 2.5" HDD or Optane SSD in the play right now.
Just that the laptops BIOS is set to use the Intel SATA controller in RAID mode by default, and not AHCI.

[young canopy]

Ah, OK.

[twin dew]

So either Windows installer needs to be provided the Intel RAID drivers during install, or the SATA controller needs to be reconfigured.

And the reason why it is in RAID mode by default is that the same laptop was produced in another lower end SKU with Optane + HDD in RST cache RAID.

[young canopy]

Stupid same BIOS settings for all SKUs.  I know how that is.

[gilded helm]

Don't forget, if Steam is being stubborn, go to properties and verify the integrity of game files to get it to think again about downloading updates!

[charred pewter]

yeah ... steam loves to lose its brains often i've noticed...

"when in doubt, kick it"

[young canopy]

Since I decided to remove Borderlands 3 in my recent oversized game purge (haven't played it in month), Satisfactory is now the biggest game on my drive at 11GB.   Lots of free space when installing, which should be promising.

[charred pewter]

BL3 says it wants 140gb ..... so ive put that one off for a bit ... never even played it, have had it in backlog forever

games that are over 100gb, i tend to go ... uhhhhhhhhhhhh

ive got TB's of space ... but still ..... 100gb+ ... and i feel like i need to buy more drives

[edgy hazel]

RDR2 is worth it

[charred pewter]

right, that was one game well above 100 that i enjoyed

RDR2 was a monster though ...

i was amazed at how well it ran too... on my hardware, and it looked gorgeous

[edgy hazel]

Yeah it was insane

Rockstar still knows how to make stuff (although they keep milking everything dry before they make a new game)

[young canopy]

I only keep a very small number of large install file games installed. I tend to clear any on backlog our otherwise out of play from my drive when I install a new large game, in order to keep my drive in good shape.

BTW, steam is back to screwing up preallocation on Linux.   Satisfactory game files do not have extents compacted.

[charred pewter]

yeah, i purged a bunch yesterday i had not launched in a year

[tough grail]

satisfactory is asking for an graphics card driver to start for me. but the version its asking for dont exist

[charred pewter]

are your drivers generally 'up to date' though ? you may be way out of sync, need to update

[tough grail]

reinstalled amd adrenaline and did manual driver installation from AMDs homepage

[charred pewter]

AMD .........................

😄 ducks from herg

[mental oriole]

Better hide.

[edgy hazel]

More Windows......
For some fucking reason they do their own versioning

Imagine having the absolute balls to set the version numbers for a THIRD PARTY DRIVER

[charred pewter]

gawd

i really wish windows would just stay the f' out of my graphics driver updates

i get random iGPU updates that i didnt want, and it blows my second monitor off and i have to jump through hoops again to get it showing up again

(my second monitor sits on the iGPU)

[edgy hazel]

Windows ❤️

[charred pewter]

i only use it for stats and discord/OBS stuff ...

i think i only own ONE game that actually tries to use a second monitor in a useful way .... that was GRID 2

it would put the map, roster, stats on the second monitor while i was driving

[empty robin]

@proud meadow is there a chance that the Czech translation will return ?

[mental oriole]

I don't think Snutt can do much about factorio translations.

[edgy hazel]

Minecraft has czech

[crystal hound]

check #faq

[young canopy]

Linux ships it's own graphic drivers for AMD, but they are actually GOOD, independently developed, graphics drivers, and not just old versions of the drivers shipped from the manufacturer that aren't even the stable extended-service release.

[young canopy]

OBS actually runs better on Linux if you are willing to set up the proper tools (Pipewire+Jack)

The only reason to run Windows is certain anti-cheat setups requiring it.

Oh you meant your second monitor, not Windows.

As a note, if you are short of HDMI ports or DisplayPort plugs on your dGPU, there is an adapter dongle that can turn a single display port or HDMI port into two, so long as the GPU and driver supports it (most recent GPUs and drivers do) and the two monitors together total under the display maximum.

If you have an extra port on the dGPU it is better to just use that for your second display.    Using the iGPU takes cTDP capability away from your main CPU.   In other words, CPUs boost higher with the iGPU idle.

The vast majority of dGPUs will not be taxed at all by basic browser-class apps on your second display. If it can run on the iGPU without blinking, it won't detract from your game experience.

Latest generation dGPUs have massive video blitter pipelines. They can easily handle massive amounts of screen space without an issue.   The problem only comes when rendering advanced 3D games to that space.

This is not to mention the iGPU eating into your main system memory bandwidth.

To put it simple, if you can help it, don't use the iGPU on a gaming system for ANYTHING but compute. It will do nothing but inefficiently eat up your resources.

[exotic bridge]

Version: 365306, IsEditor: No, IsPerforceBuild: No, BuildConfiguration: Shipping, Launcher: Steam, NetMode: Standalone, IsUsingMods: No, IsSaveGameEdited: No

Fatal error: [File:C:\BuildAgent\work\b731a33f2a691e17\UE4\Engine\Source\Runtime\RHI\Private\PipelineStateCache.cpp] [Line: 365] Shader compilation failures are Fatal.

Any ideas to fix this?

[cyan fractal]

Can someone explain this to me? It's the driver they require. How can it be that I can't play?

[spark raptor]

Anyone else having the disk write error on pc when doing the new update?

[tough owl]

Oh boy

[north saffron]

Is anyone else having 'Missing File Privilages'?

[muted cobalt]

I am having issues with it stating i dont have the propper plugin

anyone else have this issue?

[spark raptor]

after getting my issue above i unstalled it and now im getting the same

[exotic bridge]

mine crashes like this

[edgy hazel]

Hey there @exotic bridge @spark raptor@north saffron@cyan fractal! Thanks for joining #off-topic-tech! I see you have a question regarding satisfactory, which is a topic that doesn't belong into the off-topic category. While some questions only have some overlap with satisfactory, such as:

• GPU drivers not working in satisfactory
• Network Issues while playing satisfactory
• Windows shitting its pants while playing satisfactory
  There could still be very much a reason for the issues itself stemming from satisfactory. And even if not, sometimes its just easy to have these sort of discussions in a thread, not only for clear communication but also so that others with similar issues can find it easier. Please go to #1038092680493801533 for that.

If someone from the satisfactory channels sent you here, feel free to break their nose. Thanks!

[north saffron]

Thank you! Will do

[spark raptor]

Cheers and i will 😄

[pure karma]

dang this channel got flooded with trash quick lol

[spark raptor]

Only just bought the game yesterday too :/

[charred pewter]

been happening in genoff topic too lol

[spiral obsidian]

What DLSS settings do you use? Should texture steaming be on or off for better performance?

[supple sail]

anyone know how to fix a

Unhandled Exception: EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION reading address 0xffffffffffffffff

[edgy hazel]

no

[supple sail]

great... so game is nuked for me now

[lavish ember]

dude we broke epic game x)

[edgy hazel]

Hey everypony! Quick reminder, that this channel and category isn't for satisfactory related stuff 😄 use #1038092680493801533 instead. Thanks ❤️

[night girder]

Is this channel still safe? 👀

Oh ... scrolling up. Oh.

Talk about nerd stuff here like science and programming and hardware stuffs.** Not Satisfactory stuffs**, there are dedicated channels for that.

[hazy grove]

Guys, please help me. I have an rx 570 video card and when I try to log into the game, I get a message saying that I need to update the driver to version 24.8.1. I download the installer but for some reason I can only install the driver version 24.3.1 what should I do please help!!

[edgy hazel]

how

How did you miss the two messages directly above yours telling you that this channel isn't for satisfactory?

[charred pewter]

do we have a big trout slapping emoji

[hazy grove]

well, this happens exactly when you try to log in to the satisfactory

[charred pewter]

🤦

[edgy hazel]

🤦

[hazy grove]

Okay I get it thanks

[edgy hazel]

bro I'm leaving for today.... this channel is a mess

I've done enough backseat modding for today

[swift juniper]

Hi, someone have a console?

[night girder]

wrong channel 🙂

[swift juniper]

O

[night girder]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1038092680493801533

This is off topic tech-talk 😊

[swift juniper]

Thank you. I was looking for someone to play Satisfactory with

Thank you, bye!

[night girder]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1201555265942724758 can also help 😄

[twin dew]

So I seem to have replied to about 100 QaH threads today after launch...

[night girder]

Haha 😄 And people say the community is bad.

[twin dew]

Haven't even read the changelog yet...

Booted the game once to main menu to regenerate config files etc. I had deleted.

[night girder]

I haven't played. I will wait for a few patches 😉

[charred pewter]

im so worn out from today 😄

[simple ingot]

I have the latest drivers but i get this

[twin dew]

Wrong place.

[simple ingot]

bruh

what the right place then?

[twin dew]

#1283112865049481358 message
Browse that thread, and ask for for more if didn't help in that thread.
Or create your own.

[charred pewter]

#faq #1038092680493801533

why did... why does "OLD" pop up first lol

[twin dew]

It always does...

[simple ingot]

thanks!

[twin dew]

No idea why Discord is so stupid...

[charred pewter]

like, im typing out "que" and it picks OLD first .... lol

[solemn tapir]

where can i ask for help regarding power problems, sorry im new to this server

[twin dew]

Not in Off-Topic?

[charred pewter]

that would be #satisfactory

[solemn tapir]

Thanks

[charred pewter]

unless you mean power problems with your computer, and maybe a UPS would help ...

[white kraken]

Or, if you think its a longer topic, you can open a thread in #1038092680493801533

[charred pewter]

i used to have power problems at my old house ... so many bronouts, the power would dip too low... it fried one TV i had, so i started buying UPS that had 'buck' and 'boost' modes to help

[slim jackal]

This has came up for me a few times just click no and it should work

[simple ingot]

yeah but game got more ass look with dx12

[solemn tapir]

no i meant in game, my grid got completely ruined when 1.0 released

xd

learn something new every day

haha

[charred pewter]

Uninterruptible power supply 😉

[hazy grove]

eap I have these too

[broken swift]

HELP PLEASE (I HAVE A SCHOOL ASSESSMENT ON THIS PC) The problem just appeared after play Hogwarts legacy, went to bed that night and in the morning ready for satisfactory 1.0 my pc wouldn't turn on if I pressed the power button, I unplugged the psu cable and waited a bit then plugged back in, Pc would spin up, then the motherboard name wuld appear, then the windows 11 white wheel would appear then the pc turned off. I would press the power button, Nothing, unplugged waited 5s then repluged the psu, the pc would turn on same as before then crash, I tired many times repeating the above, getting to various stages before crashing, the furthest I got was to do the windows 11 desktop. I somehow got into the repair screen, and decided to reset the pc fully, It got half way then the pc turned off. I am super p*ssed of at this thing, I have spent so much money and time on it, my exams are coming in November and I am a 3D design student... I really need help and support.

• drivers, up to date
• windows updates, up to date
• hardware, only 2 weeks old.
• storage, not full
• 850w power supply, so not power issue
• windows 11 home that has been activated
  I determined that it's a windows problem, because the bios works fine. Please help, I want to play Satisfactory! (and my school assessment)
  Open to any fixes, but not confident with the software.

[hazy grove]

please help me, it crashes when I log into the game and this appears

[hazy grove]

I think your computer gg (died)

[broken swift]

But its literally brand new?

[hazy grove]

well, for example, I also had a completely new video card from a bad company on my hands, a month later the chip fell off. Draw conclusions

[hazy grove]

but I also have a problem and if you help me solve it, I will be very grateful.

[cobalt spire]

what hardware do you have?

[hazy grove]

do you want to tell me how to make hydrochloric acid?

[cobalt spire]

why would you want that?

[hazy grove]

I don't know, I just wanted to share my knowledge

[rustic panther]

Make a thread in #1038092680493801533, so you can keep discussion on your issue apart from general talk here :V

[hazy grove]

What about me?

[rustic panther]

Also make a thread in #1038092680493801533 for the same reason, but also because this is not a channel for Satisfactory discussion

[hazy grove]

OK, where do you think I should go if it's not a satisfactory problem?

[hazy grove]

in UE?

[rustic panther]

Still make a thread

[simple ingot]

if you don't have latest gpu driver firstly get it but if you have latest gpu drivers and you get this just click no and load to the game it should launch perfectly

but looks like you get crashed

when you ignore it

[hazy grove]

the maximum version I can install is 24.3.1

[simple ingot]

same here i just ignored it and game launch perfectly

[hazy grove]

Okay, what should I do about it?

[crystal hound]

please use #1038092680493801533 friends

[simple ingot]

bro avoid that window by clicking no and if it isnt launching and you get crashed try launching the game from dx11

[hazy grove]

Okay, I'll try it now

[simple ingot]

where your game at steam or epic?

[hazy grove]

epic

[simple ingot]

idk how to input launch commands in epic but try dx11

[hazy grove]

Ok

[simple ingot]

do you know how to do that?

[hazy grove]

well, for starters, it's probably worth finding the folder with the game

because I have no idea how to enter commands in epic

[charred pewter]

@hazy grove @simple ingot --> https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1038092680493801533

[hazy grove]

@simple ingot

@simple ingot

[simple ingot]

check dm bro

[hazy grove]

how to launch a game using dx11

[crystal hound]

[rustic panther]

@charred pewter so how about them CPUs eh?

[crystal hound]

do I speak Spanish

[rustic panther]

Pretty darn spicy them Intels these days no?

[hazy grove]

I found the command line in epic

[rustic panther]

I'm afraid so, it seems

[crystal hound]

@simple ingot @hazy grove Please make use of #1038092680493801533. Create a forum post and continue over there. This here is the wrong channel.

[simple ingot]

im sorry bro this guy not listening 😭

[crystal hound]

there'll also be more ppl available to help 😄

[tough owl]

worked on linux first boot. Pretty well too ngl ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dark lantern]

I just wanted to try 1.0... instead my PC stopped working. Completely 😭

[violet lynx]

Hey guys
Does the Cross Play work?

Cant join to my friends on Steam

[spring wind]

Turkish language support was removed after the update, will it come back?

[sage pier]

DDU

[crystal hound]

#faq

[pure karma]

maybe just lock this channel or rename it to something to indicate this isent a satisfactory channel because this is just comical at this point

[charred pewter]

😆

[pure karma]

loose conection points maybe

[stray badger]

guys please just get out tech talk if you want satis talk

[stray badger]

reinstall windows. it will fix the issue and if you do it soon and fast enough, you will have time to get your assignment done

there is probably another way to fix it but idk what that would be

[soft saddle]

Anyone have any idea why wifes PC does this when launching into the game? Updated drivers, main menu is fine, 5600xt gpu, other games play normal.

[gilded helm]

I'm for renaming this channel

[pure karma]

same

[crystal hound]

to?

[gilded helm]

off-topic-technology

[pure karma]

NOT-TECH-TALK

[gilded helm]

off-topic-general and off-topic-media might be good for the same reason, to put the part people are missing first.

[crystal hound]

I like the idea of putting "off-topic" first ...

will see what I can do

[gilded helm]

"technology" also sounds less tech support-y than "tech talk" IMO. But I have no idea how that feels to non-native speakers.

[crystal hound]

yeah idk about that 😄

[pure karma]

off topic being before the channels coudl be good

[crystal hound]

maybe just #off-topic-tech

[pure karma]

not to mention tech dosent have off topic in it

[crystal hound]

Will raise it internally 😄 You'll see the outcome

[timid steeple]

does anybody know why a steam player that has his epics connected with his steam still cant join crossplay server?

[jagged snow]

Is that a joke?

Read up around 5 messages

[charred pewter]

i see not much has changed in here as i was watching vids 😄

[stray badger]

le sigh

[broken swift]

it was, thanks tho

[rustic panther]

Like a cable which wasn't plugged in all the way?

[broken swift]

Yeah

[rustic panther]

Yeah, that can happen with prebuilts, glad it looks like it's something easily fixable though, saves a lot of bullshit

[broken swift]

Nah mine's a custom, but yeah saves a lot more troble shooting if its just that

[rustic panther]

I mean it can also happen if you build it yourself or go via a systems integrator, small mistake to not push it in enough, maybe some shipping time

[broken swift]

I mean its understandable, I had a hard drive cage in there so the cables were very squished, and I did get the pc back from a repair person pior

[zealous knot]

Hey all. Is it safe to use U7 blueprints in a pure v1.0 save?

[edgy hazel]

Wrong channel Jesus

[zealous knot]

Sorry, I'm not Jesus, but I thought this was more of a technical question

[edgy hazel]

mhm

Less thinking more reading

[zealous knot]

Okay, that's fair enough ❤️

[zealous knot]

Which channel would you recommend for this question? 🤔

[edgy hazel]

#1038092680493801533

[cyan crescent]

Im looking to use a vpn on my pc but dont know which one i should go with. Any suggestions?

[terse wedge]

Nord VPN

[languid gulch]

just keep in mind that VPNs are only mildly functional, as even NordVPN got caught hanging onto people's personal info a couple years ago

[twin dew]

Mullvad

[gilded helm]

I'm pleased with Private Internet Access.

However mine might be getting too mainstream. Way more issues with getting CAPCHAs, blocks, and other problems due to it being such a large service that's going to have some degenerates you're sharing with.

[wanton orchid]

I will try to force train ram on reboot

[ocean sluice]

guys i have a question for u, y the coal sometimes doesnt enter in the coal generator? but when i have the coal in the inventory, the coal enter, can someone explain? xd

[ocean sluice]

sorry

[wanton orchid]

what do you think about a cpu that suddenly drag 25W more at idle ?

without apparent load

[crystal hound]

new channel names might help 😄

[wanton orchid]

with only new kernel version

[wanton orchid]

gj

[soft bloom]

Did it just happen rn?

[twin dew]

Yes.

[crystal hound]

yes

[civic mural]

Here's NeRF implementation on my slow machine with GTX 960. The one with blue background is an end result on faster systems. Cool tech, in my opinion. It's like a new data format apart from sdf for 3D: it's neural net + weights = 3D scene instead

[soft bloom]

Very nice.
Truly 1.0

[slate shoal]

modern desktop cpu's will do more than that

pc's are never really idle, OS always keeps doing various stuff in the background

[pure karma]

that was quick

[crystal hound]

was already raised like 11 hours ago :p

[wanton orchid]

wdym more than that
I'm already talking about more than normally
also I'm talking about a system under extreme control, not a usual pc

although even my "usual" pc setups also are under lot of control and does not have background activity unless asked basically

actually

[pure karma]

no i know but i still expected it to take a few days and not just one quick sleep lol

anyway on that note i have been trying to step up my efficency game

[rocky yarrow]

@bold yew I've got 612 in my Steam library, and while some of those were Bundle'd games which I probably haven't actually played, nearly every single one has been played by me on Linux

[sudden raft]

so like, linux and things

[rocky yarrow]

The main issue at the moment is folks rolling out anticheat which doesn't work on Linux, so if you're fond of multiplayer online games, that is admittedly a gap

[mossy glade]

@hardy compass continue it in here

[rocky yarrow]

But seriously, gaming on Linux is so good nowadays. I never expected Wine to get as good as it has

[nova jetty]

#satisfactory message except if windows decides to update and lock you out of your computer

[rocky yarrow]

I still wish we had more native ports coming in, but c'est la vie; I'll take what I can get.

[sudden raft]

dang i gotta leave, ya'll gonna make me reinstall my OS yet again

[mossy glade]

to reiterate what I said in #satisfactory:
on windows I know that 99.999999% of games and software will just work natively

[bold yew]

I can count on one hand the amount of times I've seen anybody get locked out of their computer due to a windows update

[sudden raft]

does Satisfactory work fine on Ubuntu?

[nova jetty]

it does on mint so most likely yes

[rocky yarrow]

Should do; I've been running it on Arch since its Steam release

[hardy compass]

yes, no issues

[sudden raft]

hm...

oh wait i own it on epic, does epic support Linux

[nova jetty]

you need to switch to proton 9.0.3 and add the -vulkan flag

[hardy compass]

on linux, I've yet to find a game that doesn't work there

[hardy compass]

not natively, but there are alternatives

[mossy glade]

keyword: natively

[vocal spire]

I am sorry but those arguments are a bit shitty because the percentage of users on Windows is much bigger than on Linux. Generally speaking people who work with Linux are usually better experienced about working with PC's in general.

[bold yew]

The issue here isn't whether or not it's possible to get them running, it's whether or not, for the masses, the amount of complications that can be expected

[rocky yarrow]

I mean, to be fair: I made Linux my only desktop OS over 20 years ago, and at the time just lived with the fact that it meant I could play practically zero games that were coming out (barring our then-allies id and Epic, and lovely porting houses like Loki and Linux Game Publishing)

[nova jetty]

proton has better performance (even if not native) than native windows in some cases imo

[rocky yarrow]

So I'm not using Linux because of its gaming support. :) But it's seriously so good now, it's crazy

[sudden raft]

i mean i do have two SSDs i could dual boot... is there anyway to just... snag the files from the windows ssd so i don't have to install games twice? (at least on steam games)

[rocky yarrow]

I actually almost always recommend not dualbooting. Dualbooting is more trouble than it's worth. If you're considering that, just virtualizing is the better option

[mossy glade]

out of the 992 games I own on steam 151 of them work on linux (acording to steamDB)

[bold yew]

The majority of games will work with things like proton

[nova jetty]

right click steam game -> enable compatibility bam done lmao

[sudden raft]

what's so bad about dual-booting? i know it messes with the BIOS time, but a simple toggle/button fixes that.

[rocky yarrow]

I should be clear that I'm honestly not trying to be a Linux advocate here; I don't think anyone should be using Linux unless they want to be using it. You're right that it can get more complicated, and if you don't want to have to deal with those complications, you're probably gonna walk away disappointed

I'm just saying that if you do use Linux, the gaming ecosystem is utterly superb at the moment

[hardy compass]

keyword: I don't care, it works, idc how

[hardy compass]

also this

[mossy glade]

I mean I just like windows 10
windows 7 and 11 can suck it for all i care

[sudden raft]

i mean i love linux, im just hesistant on going full throttle again,

[nova jetty]

you are probably only checking the "verified" games which are the steam deck games that steam says work, proton has way more than that

[hardy compass]

how so? 🤔

[mossy glade]

I selected linux from the platform list in steamDB
theres a seperate option for steamdeck

[rocky yarrow]

I just don't think it's worth fighting through other OS's requirements for bootloaders and partitioning and stuff. Got to be a gigantic hassle, and since virtualiztion is so good nowadays, why bother?

[nova jetty]

on two disks its fine but there have been case of windows breaking linux installs if dual booting on the same disks

[rocky yarrow]

If you want to run two OSes, just pick one as your main OS and then virtualize the other. A million times easier, IMO

[hardy compass]

haven't run into this for past 12 years of using dualboot

[nova jetty]

doesn't always work though depending on the games (for example league or valorant)

[nova jetty]

same but it can happen xd

[mossy glade]

I mean valorant or league of legends not working on linux is a benefit more than anything

[sudden raft]

idk i just figured having it directly on hardware would be more performant and less issues. I have two SSDs so partitioning and stuff like that isn't an issue. I just select which OS on boot and done, i've done it before i was just curious as to your view against it

[twin dew]

Doesn't really happen with UEFI boot.

[rocky yarrow]

Well, an unspoken addendum to my proposal is that anyone gaming on Windows would be likely to keep Windows as their primary OS and play their games on there. :)

[nova jetty]

yes go on protondb to see the linux compatible games there are way more games there

[twin dew]

As that is UEFI selecting between two bootloaders on different directories on same partition.

[rocky yarrow]

Modern virtualization is directly on hardware. :)

[twin dew]

Old MBR style dual-boot was dangerous with Windows.

[hardy compass]

they don't work just because they added some weird shit that tracks everything, I've stopped playing league because of that, don't want that installed on my pc

[mossy glade]

yeah kernal level anticheat

[nova jetty]

for non tech savyy people for sure yes

[hardy compass]

kernel level stalking*

[sudden raft]

well yeah, but its still a layer 2, unless you install a hypervisor as your main OS, and that's a good 7-8 hours of GPU passthrough shenanigins i don't want to have to deal with again

[nova jetty]

also want that but my friends are addicted lmao

[hardy compass]

my friends went with me back to Dota

[bold yew]

We unfortunately live in a team that Kernel level anticheats are required for any competitive game to stay smoewhat cheater-free

team? world

[nova jetty]

kernel doesnt even work lmao

[bold yew]

sorry, it's early

[nova jetty]

just need a little bit of knowledge to go past it

[hardy compass]

but they shouldn't be required to run 24/7 even if the game is not on, and forbid you to start the game if the anticheat wasn't running from system boot

[bold yew]

That's true, but it works significantly better

[sudden raft]

oh hell no i would never use that software then

[nova jetty]

for sure, in my opinion though it should only be needed for competitive play ( i would argue its not even needed for ranked, just like, pro and shit like that) but ranked only could be fine

[bold yew]

Closed platforms aren't even free from it anymore

[rocky yarrow]

Yeah, I do admit again that my experience w/ Linux gaming is from the perspective of someone who really only ever does singleplayer games, so I never run into the anticheat type problems

[nova jetty]

wtf are the games you play xD

[bold yew]

Except..if it were not doing this, it would not be kernel level

[hardy compass]

that's what League does

[nova jetty]

well then yeah in your case dont go linux

[hardy compass]

other kernel level anticheats are fine running just before the game is launched

[mossy glade]

thats my entire library
steamDB has a thing that adds all free games on steam to your account

I have 992 games on my account but I've only played like 182 of them

[nova jetty]

also some kernel level anti cheat works on linux, its just riot that doesnt want to add linux compatibility cuz they are saying more cheaters are on linux lmao

[nova jetty]

oooh ok i see

[hardy compass]

they never officially supported linux in the first place. A few devs helped here and there, but they just don't want to deal with linux because their code is crap even on windows

[bold yew]

Idk. I'm just not on the page that Riot Games is after all of my information in an attempt to ruin my life

[rocky yarrow]

We are a big pack o' cheaters over here. :D

[mossy glade]

I mean kernal level anticheat is not needed
there are many ways to detect cheats without something that runs all the time with full unrestricted access

[nova jetty]

mine looks better but yeah free games might not have good compatibility

[rocky yarrow]

(I've even used save editors in the past! gasp)

[tough owl]

https://tenor.com/view/linux-trash-linuxbad-gif-18671901

[mossy glade]

oh we doing linux memes now

[nova jetty]

i mean i would argue that since a lot of tech savyy people are on linux, they do know how to cheat more, but in pure numbers there is still way less cheaters on linux

[rocky yarrow]

It's worse: I actually use textmode browsers occasionally. :)

[sudden raft]

ah yes the good ol' 'tree' command to seem like you are hacking

[bold yew]

There are hack clients that run at a driver level.

[nova jetty]

by the simple fact that most cheat engine wont work on linux since they are made for windows

[tough owl]

I use linux daily and even I dont hate myself that much 😭

[rocky yarrow]

I even do a lot of my Discord interactions via a textmode IRC browser using a bitlbee-discord proxy. :)

(Though I've not hooked that up to any Satisfactory channels yet)

[nova jetty]

you have issues

[charred pewter]

hehehhehehhehe

[rocky yarrow]

I have efficient browsing. :)

[tough owl]

let me guess you use gentoo or something similar

[nova jetty]

that is true

[rocky yarrow]

(I admit the textmode browsing is generally if I'm on a server somewhere and need to look up some docs)

[rocky yarrow]

Hah, I have used Gentoo in the past, though not for ages.

[nova jetty]

arch btw then ?

[tough owl]

been on it for 4 years now

good grief it has been 4 years 🥴

[rocky yarrow]

Home desktops are Arch, yeah. Servers currently Debian. For work I'm mostly in the RHEL land (plus some Rocky nowadays)

[tough owl]

nah man pages are awesome

[hardy compass]

I use man a lot tbh

[charred pewter]

or... "How dare you read man pages" ...

[mossy glade]

I do use linux but only ubuntu server

I have a VM running ubuntu desktop for weird stuff

[tough owl]

ubuntu 🤢

[nova jetty]

you dont run an hypervisor on home server ?

[charred pewter]

man pages are written for people who should already know everything and shouldnt be looking at a man page in the first place 😄

[mossy glade]

throw up all u want it works for my purposes

[rocky yarrow]

Nah, home server remains pretty monolithic, actually. I've been meaning to split it apart but have never taken the time to do so. Only so many hours in the day, etc. :)

I ironically do more virtualization on my desktops. :D

[tough owl]

I just hate canonical and snaps

[nova jetty]

yeah fair enough, did the switch myself not too long ago during my vacations and now i am happy and spend 80% less time on working on my server lmao

[mossy glade]

I don't use either

well I've never run those commands

[tough owl]

ubuntu is a canonical product.....

[rocky yarrow]

Anyway, speaking of work, I've gotta go get some stuff Actually Done. Cheers!

[mossy glade]

well idk

[tough owl]

and apt defaults to snaps too

[nova jetty]

bye !

[mossy glade]

whats wrong with them

[mossy glade]

whats wrong with them?

[nova jetty]

the problem is more that snaps is forced on everything you install in ubuntu instead of letting you choose if i recall but in my opinion snap is fine other than that

[mossy glade]

So you why do you hate them then

[nova jetty]

I...dont ? i just don't use ubuntu cuz i prefer the layout of mint and the default packages of it lmao

[mossy glade]

Then why did you say you did

Oh different person XD

[nova jetty]

oh the other dude, idk

[mossy glade]

Mb

[nova jetty]

no worries xD

oh ok the biggest problem with snaps is that it isnt community driven it is canonical ( the people that manages ubuntu) that does everything on it and linux doesnt like those kind of things in general

[slate shoal]

I mean 40-50W when "idle". Also just because the SSD's say 0%, doesn't mean the OS is doing nothing. run something like process monitor and then you'll figure out that windows actually is doing thousands of things every second.

[twin dew]

Measured form the wall before PSU?

Or CPU only via software?

[wanton orchid]

1. you mean absolute power consumption, I'm talking about MORE power consumption i.e relative
2. I was not talking about a windows machine
3. the screenshot was not from the concerned machine
4. the screenshot was not to prove there is absolutly no background task going on, or that it could not have some going on, but to show that I'm running specifically tuned and controled system, which as shown have no basic background tasks (good luck finding a windows background task not generating any disk i/o)

[slate shoal]

cpu only via software. if you add everything else in the system and add psu inefficiency on top of that it will likely be 100+ W

[wanton orchid]

from wall

[twin dew]

And what CPU?
And compared to what?

Because many PSUs don't even work under 20W load and use internal resistors to get at least that.

AMD IOD will use about 10W even at idle.

[wanton orchid]

from ~40-50 to 60-70 idle 5900X
I have controled it's not the network chips nor chipset

[wanton orchid]

I was talking about relative difference

[twin dew]

After what changed?
Haven't been able to look into this channel.

[wanton orchid]

they were just missing the point

here #off-topic-tech message the only message that matter

[slate shoal]

oh yeah, I did miss the point. you meant 25W delta

[twin dew]

So the whole machine is taking that much now vs. old.
And you don't have the CPU specific power consumptions for either state?

[wanton orchid]

25W would be exceptionally good idle power for 5000 ryzens

[slate shoal]

mine sits at 40-50W for full socket power draw

it's a 5900X btw

[twin dew]

That is SW side, the from wall is always going to be higher.

Because that is with PSU and VRM losses and rest of the system component usages.

[slate shoal]

ofc, wall also includes the gpu, fans, ssd's and everything else in the system

[wanton orchid]

I dont but I have isolated it as I said

[twin dew]

What OS?
Was there OS update?

[wanton orchid]

the cpu temp went 3-4C higher in idle

I did kernel update
but nothing related to power management in the changelogs

(yes I do read full changelogs)

nothing else changed

the idle load is still sitting at 0.2-0.3% average

(if there was more load it would be varying more)

the only blindspot I may have is the core switch power consumption on the bond config (which did get some updates in kernel)

[twin dew]

Was it kernel major version change or just patch inside same kernel version?

[wanton orchid]

6.10.8 to 6.10.9

my fear is that the compilation finally triggered some iod degradation

though the system is also snappier than usual so I believe it also can be it's not "parking" like it should

but again, nothing in changlogs about that

anyway I should try something

I'm merely explaining the context of my earlier message

[wanton orchid]

does not sound like it at all, when check network stack in the bond namespace it does not show unusual traffic

also I did the usual searching things

• online known issues
• changelogs
• latest package changes
• latest config changes
• check bios settings
• check rams and stability
• check dmesg

the only thing that seems related is lkml.org/lkml/2024/9/10/1134

[twin dew]

Mainly was if the CPU governor default(s) had changed.

Causing the CPU to idle in different state.

[wanton orchid]

it's looking very much like it

\o/

I'm basically clear from hardware degradation

as I can trigger back to old power levels (though unstable) on demand

by basically shutting down every single vm I have running on the system

so it's probably a busy kvm/qemu problem

and it's so low in the system htop probably can't really catch it

[wanton orchid]

yep but no governor change either in the patchs

[echo ridge]

It seems like i cant launch my game. I keep getting the message: "Plugin 'FicsitWiremod' failed to load because module 'FicsitWiremod' could not be found. Please ensure the plugin is properly installed, otherwise consider disabling the plugin for this project.". What does this mean?

I dont have any mod manager installed

[charred pewter]

@echo ridge wrong channel 😉

[echo ridge]

Where should i ask?

oh

nvm

[charred pewter]

😄

[echo ridge]

or no, where? hahah

[sage pier]

didn't this channel used to be tech-talk?

[twin dew]

Yes, the off topic channel names were changed today, and people still cannot read.

[charred pewter]

it seems highly specific, might drop it in #1038092680493801533

[twin dew]

Would seem I might need some help with stubborn person: #1283126428782821488 message

Some kind of unstable HW issue, but it cannot be as only some games crash...

And SW somehow magically can just not crash if HW corrupted data.

[charred pewter]

huh? certain software can certainly trigger a weakening hardware .... i had such with my old 980ti ... only certain games would trigger its power mode which would cause it to crash and send the machine into a spiral.... other games not

[mental oriole]

It will only crash if it corrupts specific data.
like
pointers, size of arrays, asserted variables
If the data inside the pointer is broken you can still "run" it, but can get strange side-effects.

[twin dew]

Wrong place?

[rustic panther]

Wrong place.

[cursive sorrel]

Guys - I have a Windows PC that I want to use on my TV.

• My TV supports 1440p120 VRR HDR, but my AV receiver does not. (HDMI 2.0 + VRR)
• My AV receiver supports 5.1 audio over HDMI, but it does not support over 4k60, nor VRR (HDMI 1.4)

I want to output 5.1 audio to my AV receiver and video to my TV directly; do you guys know if that's possible? If I disable video output to the AV receiver, the audio also gets disabled. I can't use analog 5.1 either, since my PC doesn't have 5.1 analog outputs

[charred pewter]

my PC had a seperate TOSLINK which i use to my 5.1 speaker system, then i run the normal HDMI to my tv

but its entirely deependant on your hardware and what ports you got

[cursive sorrel]

Toslink only works with pre-encoded Dolby Digital or DTS, not with games (or you have 2.0 audio)

[charred pewter]

ah, right... my HTPC is for video...

[twin dew]

Does the TV support ARC?

[cursive sorrel]

Yes, but it falls back to 2.0 unless I use DD/DTS

[charred pewter]

without discreet channels for 5.1 ... would a game ever put out the right signals ?

[twin dew]

With that you connect the picture and audio direct to TV, and the TV retransmits the audio over ARC to the AV receiver.

[cursive sorrel]

without discreet channels for 5.1 ... would a game ever put out the right signals ?

5.1 works perfectly fine on PC games if I connect it to my AV receiver (but in my case, without HDR/VRR/1440p120)

[charred pewter]

i mean ... without the 5.1 ports... sending it over SPDIF loses the 5.1 from a game, since the game doesnt normally pre-encode dolby digital or not

or maybe it does now, i dunno, Baldur knows, im stepping out 😉

[cursive sorrel]

I know, but HDMI supports linear PCM up to 8 channels (7.1) (which toslink does not support)_

[charred pewter]

ah

[cursive sorrel]

Toslink only supports compressed 5.1 signals, Dolby Digital and DTS, which are proprietory codes. In a far away history, you had realtime DD/DTS encoding but that seems to be a thing of the past

[charred pewter]

right 😦

[cursive sorrel]

remember these Creative soundblaster cards? I do

[charred pewter]

and its all like ... its just audio, how hard does this have to be ?

[twin dew]

But does your TV support that HDMI ARC or not?

[cursive sorrel]

Yes

[twin dew]

Then use it?

[cursive sorrel]

but the audio will revert to 2.0

it will not pass through 5.1 audio over ARC

(only DD/DTS)

[twin dew]

And no setting to not do that in the TV?
Very bad implementation then.
Then the only option is extra HW dongle that takes the original HDMI and extracts the audio.

[cursive sorrel]

And no setting to not do that in the TV?

I've tried a lot of settings on my Samsung UN82NU8000 but none appear to work in 5.1 with LPCM

Then the only option is extra HW dongle that takes the original HDMI and extracts the audio.

Do you happen to know one that supports HDMI 2.0 + VRR + HDR (or HDMI 2.1) (bonus if it doesn't break HDCP)

Very bad implementation then.

Yeah, it's an older TV with an older AV receiver, but i don't feel like upgrading them for this

[charred pewter]

oop

[deft sinew]

Does anyone know if satisfactory will benefit from cache over clock speeds? Trying to decide between 7600x and 7600x3d

[jagged snow]

x3d will have a very significant performance advantage

[twin dew]

50-100% difference between those two in X3Ds direction.

[deft sinew]

Great

Thought so

[sand saddle]

I personally use this: www.amazon.de/-/en/gp/aw/d/B09QQD4CLM

Not for the same purpose, mine goes from TV eARC port to 5.1 audio system with an optical input

But I’d imagine it would work for your purpose as well

I needed that cuz the TV couldn’t extract the audio from a hdmi connection and output surround from optical

Nvm, I don’t think PC supports ARC

[twin dew]

Doesn't need sender support.

ARC is just way to send just the HDMI audio stream "wrong" way from sink to source.
Instead of the normal source to sink.

Where TV with ARC support is the sink.

Same for such audio extractors.

[wanton orchid]

there is nothing "inside" a pointer
that's the point .. er

[twin dew]

Pointer contains raw memory address?

[jagged snow]

It's just a binary value that gets referenced as a memory address

And compilers and languages can treat that differently

[soft bloom]

is it just me, or Discord lately is lazy af?

[tough owl]

Lately?

They've always been

[charred pewter]

lazy ?

[cursive sorrel]

it wouldn't, as I need LPCM 5.1 audio and you can't have LPCM 5.1 over toslink or coax

[edgy hazel]

Tbh I'd prefer if they just keep doing their weird shop thing to get cash and leave the other stuff as is.

[soft bloom]

i mean like, the app itself. it fucking doesn't load stuff

[crystal hound]

let's say they have wrong priorities 😄

[soft bloom]

i mean like, i have to wait liek 10 seconds for it to load memes

tech talks #screenshots message

[winged valley]

Anyone here experienced at all in MacBook boardwork? I mainly want to know if my interpretation of this boot flow diagram and its symbol is correct

[twin dew]

Seems to be GE symbol for NOR gate in logic diagrams.

But probably not same in this case.

[winged valley]

Yeah I'm not sure if this is necessarily a logic diagram, I'll send the full image in a sec. It's a top to bottom flowchart for Macbook Haswell boot sequence

Oh wow it's transparent that's awkward

go to logi(.)wiki/index.php/G3_to_S3_State_for_Ivy_Bridge_Haswell_and_Broadwell

[twin dew]

Summing Junction in flowcharts like that:
www.rff.com/flowchart_shapes.php

So just fancy OR in this case it seems.
Highest voltage wins.

So probably again not actually that but some Apple specific usage.

And the full set would contain sheets describing the elements.

But mostly seems to be following those I linked.

Or more probably acting as AND, that both signals/voltages need to be present for output to next stage.

From that specific part.

I need to stop for today, brain not worky anymore.

[slim lintel]

cant play the game because it requires 24.7.3 version of amd software but when I try to update it it only updates to 24.3.1 nothing past anyone can help?

[edgy hazel]

Hey there! Thanks for joining #off-topic-tech! I see you have a question regarding satisfactory, which is a topic that doesn't belong in the off-topic category. While some questions only have some overlap with satisfactory, such as:

• GPU drivers not working in satisfactory
• Network Issues while playing satisfactory
• Windows shitting its pants while playing satisfactory
  There could still be very much a reason for the issues itself stemming from satisfactory. And even if not, sometimes its just easier to have these sort of discussions in a thread, not only for clear communication but also so that others with similar issues can find it easier. Please got to #1038092680493801533 for that.

If someone from the satisfactory channels sent you here, feel free to break their nose! Thanks! ❤️

"AMD Leaves High-End GPUs"

well very cool then

mine will hold out even longer then

[tough owl]

Amd seems to only be able to do high end GPUs or CPUs. Not both

[twin dew]

Temporarely, as they had betted that TSMC would have more COWOS capacity and the highest end RX8000 chip needs same type as datacenter.
And there just isn't capacity so it got cut.

As there wasn't time to redo when the shortfall was there.

[stray badger]

we hast been renamed!

[edgy hazel]

GRE GRE GRE

7900 GANG

[stray badger]

lmao its been in my name for a few months now

it is a really good card and im quite happy with it

[twin dew]

So basically AMD designed the highest RDNA4 GPU to use tech that ended up being unmanufactureable at consumer CPU prices because of the AI accelerator GPU craze taking all TSMC capacity for specific advanced packaging tech.

And might have been designed to use process between the current 7000-series GPU chiplet common substrate, and the one used in current AMD and Nvidia data center cards, which didn't pan out in the end when TSMC developed it.

[safe trench]

nvidia and intel gpu players after hearing their screen becomes a crtv tv or doesnt run satisfactory on amd graphics:

[tepid wagon]

AMD Ryzen 5 5600G 😦

[jagged snow]

holy cow

@tepid wagon I've got one quick question for you

Would you mind telling me what the name of this channel is?

[tough owl]

On topic chat

[jagged snow]

#satisfactory-tech

Oh that didn't work out

[charred pewter]

=]

[stray badger]

apparently some people simply cannot use google

[crystal hound]

you mean can't read

[wanton orchid]

it does not contains it, it is it, the pointer is that raw memory address object

I was just randomly pointing that about an earlier message, that used "contains" as for in the structure it is point to
which does not work

[tough owl]

What's that

[twin dew]

It is one memory address containing the address of another memory location.

[mental oriole]

Technically correct but it's not raw anymore, it's a virtual adress (unless doing bare metal embedded)
The virtual address is translated from virtual to raw by the os kernel.

[safe trench]

you cant mean read? i cant read is that what you said?

[young canopy]

Man, headaches.   Discord borked their Linux build again.  Checked for Cache issues.

It's the Discord build though.   Don't know if it is Discord devs to blame or upstream on Elektron.

Using browser for now. :P

[wanton orchid]

it is the raw memory address of that object .. in the virtual space

if you want to talk about virtual and real memory we say "real memory"

[wanton orchid]

it's not "one memory address containing" it is the memory address we are talking about

if you want to talk about a memory address where a memory address is contained then it's deferencing a pointer to a pointer

char ** pointertopointer;
*pointertopointer = &'a';```

[twin dew]

That is pointer to pointer?
But a pointer is data type that contains a memory address.
Even when it is basic data type so no abstractions etc.
The pointer still is, even when it is just raw "starting" memory address and next X bits, that contain another memory address as saved data.

But this is semantics if that counts as "contains" or not.
To me it does.

[wanton orchid]

the semantics are not to be choosen arbitrarily
a pointer really does not contains address, because the address is the pointer
the pointer in the code is giving it an access point, making that address the object of the code
it still does not contain anything
and a pointer is not necessarily stored
if you put it in a structure and write that structure to memory then yes that pointer is in memory, but it's itself contained there, it does not contain

that's mainly what a "64bit" processor means btw

the registered address are 64 bit
it's not 8x8 bits / 8 bytes, it really is 1x 64bit

[twin dew]

And in most cases you can still do unaligned accesses and do stupid stuff to not store the things cleanly like that.

[wanton orchid]

I said not stored

I didnt said poorly stored

of course you can always write

char ** ptp = new char*;```but 1st this is still a pointer to pointer
2nd it's bad code

[mental oriole]

Ive seen this in legacy code 💀

[wanton orchid]

there is a practical example, no memory access performed

(but for the int* which is allocated by new operator)

[twin dew]

And how is that relevant to the conversation?
If there need to be additional memory reads or not in the chain of using the pointer?
Like I said, semantics difference where you only think that more complex data types can contain anything.

And you might be right for that being the more "correct" interpretation.

[wanton orchid]

"if there need to be additional memory reads" there again you said "additional"
look at my screenshot
it's not additional or not
it's none

that's why it's called low system level languages
you are really getting the things into your hands
it's not about vague indirect memory accesses managed by something else

and even then
implying an other level of indirection is just misleading yourself or others

for the original point which is : it does not contain the data it points to
there are 2 main fall ways :

• a pointer can point nothing
• multiple pointers can point the same things
  no pointer contains

[twin dew]

The pointer contains the address it points to.
Not the data at that address.

[wanton orchid]

and yet it does not contain that either
it is that

[twin dew]

And that is the semantic difference in thinking I was alluding to in several cases before.
And yes, you can be right.
But that is at least partially about how you think about things in the end for the low level base data types.
Same is true for all of them, not just pointers.

Is the integer-type the data, or does it contain the data?

And like I said, I can be wrong for the common meaning, just tried to say why I wrote like I did.

[wanton orchid]

it is the data
what you are confusing it with is the memory bits and bytes
memory bits and bytes are not the pointer nor the int
they are part of it
when you say pointer you are already talking about the whole object
and if you want to access them into the memory you need an other pointer to it

to an extent, if it may help you visualize it :
you NEVER really process in memory int and pointer
you process them in-processor
you need to fetch and push them to and from memory before that
when you use a pointer, it is not stored anymore, it is as it is, a 64bit address in a processor register ready to be used as target for fetch or store operation

when you store it in a array, you are using an other pointer to the array for it
when you call a function and it goes to the stack, it uses the stack pointer to store them

that's why we call these/our computer processors : turing machines

[edgy hazel]

I am the proud owner of a gaming chair now

[soft bloom]

honestly i agree that everything "gaming" should be evaluated twice as hard as anything 'regular'

[edgy hazel]

Its really nice. Mesh back, fabric washable seat

And its from a reputable brand that's been around since forever

[soft bloom]

is it good for your back? is it going to stand test of time?

[edgy hazel]

They make actual racing seats

For Porsche mostly

[soft bloom]

not convinced

[crystal hound]

their gaming branch filed for insolvency 😄

[edgy hazel]

Nope only their automotive branch iirc

And they went into a self administrating insolvency so its still pretty good for a financial crisis type thing

anyways. The chair (gift from my parents) feels pretty solid and def doesn't have the hallmarks of these fuckass basic gaming chairs

[crystal hound]

ah true, Automotive GmbH … confused with Fanatec lol

[edgy hazel]

it's basically an office chair with headrest

and it's also super comfy

[charred pewter]

i sat in some 'gaming chairs' ... i dont get the hate, they feel fine. actually more comfy than every damned broken and wobbly herman chair in every darn office complex or bank ive had to sit in one LOL

i walk into an office and see the guest chairs are some hermans and im like 'ugh, this is gonna be a short meeting'

sorry, hermans*

gaming chairs i seem to sink into and forget im sitting in a chair

they dont work well for doing office work though lol

[twin dew]

Some actual office chair are great, some are shit.
(Doesn't include the shit sold to consumers as "office" chairs)
Some gaming chairs are great, some are shit.
Higher percentage of gaming chairs are shit compared to actual office chairs on the model front.

[charred pewter]

that makes more sense

right now i have a 'komene' by high recoomendation ... and its just a chair. i do not love it... do not hate it (or i woulda returned it)

its better than the 20 year old 'office chair' i had that was breaking down finally lol

[edgy hazel]

Yeah same with the one I got now. Seems to have all the pros of office and gaming chairs and none of the cons really

[twin dew]

And lot of office chairs are intentionally harder for the surfaces.
Which is my problem right now, bought used office chair with lot of adjustments, including lumbar and good head one, but the actual seat is too hard at this time, need to mod.

[edgy hazel]

Its super comfy but still got the sturdiness of a good office one

[twin dew]

As you aren't expected to sit in the chair 8 hours a day in one stint without getting up from time to time.

[charred pewter]

hehe, office chairs are designed to get you to stand up often 😄

when gaming, you dont wanna be bothered to move lol

[twin dew]

But I can use some of the padding from the gaming chair I had that was ok, but was now breaking down after less than 5 years.

Remove the fabric, add padding on top of the stock one, remount the fabric.

[charred pewter]

yeah my prior chair i had to get a butt cushion cause the foam in it was getting so flat, it was just sitting on the wood base after awhile

im pretty sure this komene will remain 'bouncy' ... but it will fail in that the mesh will just break and rip open making it instantly useless

i had written to them about a mesh replacement (it looks like one unit they could easily ship) ... they said they dont ship any kind of replacement parts

but then the piston was 'leaking' (loosing air, i would sink in the chair when i sit) ... and they shipped a replacement cyl ... and im like ... "no replacement parts??? but you just..."

apparently they will ship replacement cylindars (since those apparently have a high chance of failing early), but no other parts that may wear out from wear n tear ....

so i may be looking for a new chair in a year im sure... as nothing lasts like it used too

[crystal hound]

gaming chairs are horrible. worst mistake I made was buying another one. won't do that again in the future

break your back

[charred pewter]

so when i read that, i see "chair is not ergonomic, so its actually comfy"

😄

im old and grew up with comfy chairs, so my body just doesnt like 'ergonomic' ones (which all feel like mini torture devices)

[twin dew]

You can get ergonomic gaming chairs, just like I said they are in significant minority vs. ones that try to look like racing car chairs badly.

[charred pewter]

right

[crystal hound]

definitely going for this one next time, https://store.hermanmiller.com/gaming-chairs/embody-gaming-chair/2517590-2.html

[charred pewter]

so many i see look like the same 'bucket seat from a ghetto pinto' ...

i'd like a chair thats less then the cost of a gpu

😄

although with nvidia in the running ... that does leave open a wide field

[crystal hound]

I mean you only buy a chair once every 5-10 years if it's good :p

[charred pewter]

true

but a good gpu lasts 5-10 years ! ........

🤣

[crystal hound]

fair 😄

[charred pewter]

i jest... i doubt thats even possible anymore

my 980ti lasted me 5 years ... then it was dying

[crystal hound]

If you dont wanna run everything 4K ultra should be no issue

[night girder]

ngl, that's ok for a gaming chair. Expected worse.

[crystal hound]

I still run my 2070 Super from 2019

[night girder]

Most gaming chairs look like race car seats for some reason 🤷‍♂️

[crystal hound]

racaro already the better brand

the real shit is stuff from DxRacer, etc

[night girder]

I just got a good plain ikea chair ... one that almost everyone has or had at one point 😄

the name slips my mind atm.

Ah Markus ofc!

[crystal hound]

https://tenor.com/view/spin-chair-spin-spinning-chair-foldable-chair-gif-27635879

totally fine :p