off-topic-tech

[night girder]

Not videos, profiles.

[languid gulch]

i wonder how china would feel if the AfD started collecting chinese citizens' private communications

[night girder]

"Meta suspend plans to train AI on EU users’ data"

The same as EU does I guess?

And who knows who has access to that data, FBI, CIA, we don't know in EU.

But then again, if someone get's my chats, I don't care. It's innocent stuff anyway.

[languid gulch]

i just want a cut of whatever money's being made off of collecting & selling mine

[night girder]

Yeah, that's the bullshit. People making money with it. Give ME money 😂

I wonder how far this will escalate though. Tiktok now Deepcool. Then the whole thing about chips.

[languid gulch]

i mean, tiktok is still around

and apparently china found a way around the nvidia ban

[night girder]

Longsoon

I hope games are left alone. Because that Black Myth: Wukong (chinese game) looks really cool.

Looks like dark souls, but as Wukong 😄

[languid gulch]

oh not loongson, there's kind of a loophole where china could rent server space in the US, using nvidia hardware, then send the data to mainland china

[night girder]

Damn, clever.

[languid gulch]

non-tech dinkuses running things have no idea how to write up sanctions & legislature to adequately prevent tech from being used if that's the point

[night girder]

Didn't china ban goverment officials from using iPhone.

[languid gulch]

HA

[night girder]

This shit is escalating 😂

[languid gulch]

"the only good spyware is our spyware"

[night girder]

"You ban our things. We ban your things." - more like it 😄

[languid gulch]

i suspect that china's execs are way too comfortable making money from the US to do any kind of functional, substantial embargo

plus that'd probably trigger a revolution there because about 200M chinese who make stuff for the US market would be instantly unemployed

[night girder]

I don't know, nothing possitive in either case.

[languid gulch]

yup

[tough owl]

im shocked china hasnt tried to clone windows

[languid gulch]

knockoffs are supposed to be worse quality, & idk if that's possible

[night girder]

They just get Linux

Can't put an embargo on open-source.

[tough owl]

computers on assembly lines dont run linux

[night girder]

They will fix that. Believe.

[languid gulch]

also china's known for being good at making hardware knockoffs, not software

[tough owl]

oh yea easily

[night girder]

They are pretty good at spoofing CPU's.

[tough owl]

wine

[night girder]

I wonder what happens, if you have deepcool device under warranty in the US.

And need a replacement. But now, they can't give you one.

[tough owl]

outta luck

[night girder]

But... you have rights around warranty no?

So which law overrules which one?

[tough owl]

whatever the courts decide

probably the store you bought it from will take it back

and then refund you or exchange it for as long as they can

[languid gulch]

idk if this is how these sanctions work, but it'd make sense to halt direct sales, but have any remaining stores that stock those items hang onto them just for warranty replacements, & any other sales have the money that would have gone to deepcool gets put into a locked account until they're removed from the sanctions list

[night girder]

Yeah, amazon is still selling them. Or so I read.

[sharp oasis]

I wonder how this will effect canada

[sharp oasis]

As I am a bit of a fan of deepcool

[tough owl]

probably not at all?

[sharp oasis]

Lfg

[tough owl]

unless canada follows US sanction laws

[sharp oasis]

I no longer have an opinion on this

And I don't think we do

[languid gulch]

🤣

[night girder]

You can ship to another country to a company that forwards it to you 😄

[sharp oasis]

Cus tiktok ain't banned here.

Canada do want Canada want

[languid gulch]

i wonder if some other company can take control of remaining stock & just have it licensed & warrantied under their name

[tough owl]

who knows what trudeau does though

[night girder]

Why wouldn't it? It's called Canada. Not US.

[tough owl]

or just some other brand using deepcool production lines will ship to the US

[night girder]

Highly doubt it. I mean, not without consent of Deepcool.

[languid gulch]

i can guarantee we'll be hearing about that from GN 🤣

[night girder]

Cooldeep

[languid gulch]

i mean, if the US State Department seizes it as sanctioned product, they can basically hand it off to whoever they want

[tough owl]

ceepdool

[night girder]

if, but that will escalate things further.

[tough owl]

how would it?

[night girder]

Trust me it would.

[tough owl]

deep cool gonna sue the US?

[languid gulch]

yea that kinda reminds me of "china's final warning"

[night girder]

China will do the same. Find some excuse to seize sanctioned products of the US.

[tough owl]

no more electrical infrastructure for you

[languid gulch]

i'd love to know what's made in the US that china would sanction

[sharp oasis]

He knows he's on thin ice here anyway

[night girder]

And then it keeps spiraling out of control, nobody wins.

[night girder]

iPhones?

[languid gulch]

yea let's see china functionally ban those 🤣

[night girder]

Not ban, just seize them 🙂

[tough owl]

china firewall all known apple ips

[tough owl]

i hope he falls in 🙂

[night girder]

It's just stupid, they should just tell Deepcool to not sell in US. But don't seize their products/assets.

[languid gulch]

i suspect that targeting iphones in china is a bigger thing than banning deepcool in the US

[night girder]

It's escalation instead of deescalation.

Telling Deepcool to stop selling, is a good middle ground.

[tough owl]

thats like me asking you nicely to stop typing in this server

[languid gulch]

i suspect it was china trying to push what it could get away with in sending supplies to russia

cuz $1M in hardware ain't much

[night girder]

Yes, that's why I said. I don't think Deepcool had any say in it.

[languid gulch]

or like god knows how many other chinese companies operate, they'll "declare bankrupcty", "sell off" their assets, & just open under a new name selling the same stuff

[night girder]

There is always backdoors. Or is it loopholes? 🤔

[tough owl]

loopholes

[languid gulch]

both

reminds me of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSrVG74Emyk

[tough owl]

https://tenor.com/view/both-agree-yes-good-gif-4591420

[night girder]

To be fair, the consumer gets the short end of the stick.

[languid gulch]

yup

[night girder]

Btw, you heard the new YT is testing out AI to summarize live chats? 😂

I've seen some of the YT live chats, and I wonder how AI is going to summarize that cesspool 😂

[languid gulch]

can't wait to see the "everything descends into nazi comparisons" speedrun out of that shit

[tough owl]

i mean if they train it off reddit data itll fit right in

[night girder]

Exactly. Summarize: you got trolled.

Literally everyone is jumping on AI. Not sure because it's hype, they are out of ideas and have no creativity. Or it's actually a useful tool.

[languid gulch]

while having 0 idea wtf it is

it's like the opposite of ray tracing

[night girder]

Yeah, buzzword. Like NFT.

[languid gulch]

i like how there was that moment where a ton of people demonstrated that you can just ask an AI to look up someone's credit card info, and it just handed it out, and nobody's investigated the routing it took to find it

[night girder]

I must say, GPT can be useful for facts. And straight questions. "What's the diameter of the moon." Good for lazy people like me who don't want to read wikipedia 😂

Maybe it can be good for gaming too. More interesting NPC's.

[languid gulch]

oh god 🤣

[night girder]

But when it comes to arts, it worries me.

[languid gulch]

when it's art for memes, i think it's ok. anything else tho, yea

[night girder]

You rather have ubisoft coded NPC's like we have in assassins creed? Was so bad sometimes.

[languid gulch]

idk, i like intentionally terrible dialogue in games

it reminds me that it's a game & that people have a sense of humor

it's like when you do Detect Thoughts on the emperor in BG3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCaU-TPH62U

[night girder]

That's not Ubisoft though

[languid gulch]

right

idk, i just love stupidity in games

so long as it's not completely game breaking

[night girder]

I think it can be interesting.

Think of the replayability.

[languid gulch]

corpse launches are amazing

[night girder]

If it's AI, it will or should always say something different.

It would make it more of a unique experience, every playthrough.

[languid gulch]

true

i just worry about the VA's rights when it came to that

[night girder]

Though, it has to be tested very well. Too make 100% sure it doesn't say anything inappropriate.

There is already a demo of ~~unity ~ uneal~and AI.

[languid gulch]

if they use AI to engineer a VA's lines to say whatever they want, i'd want them to have way more of a cut than they do now

[night girder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxynE5MjzS0

It's by all means perfect, but it impressed me.

Btw, I read today, someone who got 3rd and won the viewer vote, got disqualified from an AI photo competition. Because they used a real photo

World turned upside down 😂

They wanted to show, that good photography, can still feel unreal.

[sharp oasis]

We all do

[twin dew]

Well, LLMs have no idea about how calculations work.

[twin dew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfUcKJwbAFk

[night girder]

I got 3-4 different answers fro GPT when asked about 20 euro bills and shoebox.

At one point it said 9 bills, then 1200- bills and then 9000+- bills.

[twin dew]

Computers are good at math, LLMs have no idea about it.

[dire igloo]

The issue ain't with the artificial intelligence, it's the lack of natural intelligence within its users

[edgy hazel]

Maxeek accidentally added apostrophes in his code smh

[night girder]

After reading maxeek 1+1 I agree. 😂

[thick radish]

AI is gonna change the world... eventually. Still gonna be a while.

[charred pewter]

AI certainly is, given its rewriting facts and history

[twin dew]

AI are authoritarian?

[charred pewter]

plus the more humans that die due to following AI information... will also change the world (maybe for the better?)

[tough owl]

Seems like it. It’s not artificial intelligence it’s authoritarian intelligence

[twin dew]

Authoritarian Idiocy?

Just automated?

[charred pewter]

😄

[thick radish]

Not all the change will be good

[charred pewter]

Change, change never changes.

[soft bloom]

maybe he just got a taste of

[charred pewter]

, never changes.

poop ... ign not whitelisted

[hot dagger]

I picked up a steam deck explicitly to play Satisfactory on. I can now play the game with a Switch Pro controller. It feels almost disrespectful but the controls layout works so well!

[sand saddle]

I seriously doubt it can handle moderately big factories

Ig joining dedicated servers could work quite well

[sharp oasis]

Or joining friends

[charred pewter]

i need a decent (but not stupid expensive) power strip with a 25' cord ....

[sharp oasis]

Where they are hosting

[charred pewter]

would 'any ole thing' be fine? or is there specifics ...

i dont need internet on it, i dont need wifi on it, it doesnt need to be 'smart' and i dont need usb plugs

clearly any power strip WITHALLCAPS name is a cheap chinese piece of shit

DEWENWILS, NTONPOWER, ZESEN, CRST, FUBARBUTT, CHINARIP .... its like they stand out as 'dont buy me'

hmm "GE" ... that falls into my no-allcapps ... LOL ... but i know GE .... hmm

[twin dew]

I just bought two simple power strips today.
I checked the price on couple of the local bargain halls sites to see which had what I needed at what price and then went to the one which was easiest at good price.

Easy when there aren't actual dangerous stuff being sold in any real retailer.

[charred pewter]

yeah, local brick n mortars for things like this make more sense than some rando-item off amazon

i mean you are more likely getting a safer product at a Target ...

i think i'll go with a GE though, its UL listed, and ive never had faults with GE power related items .... its a couple bucks more, but, safer.

[hot dagger]

Folks have been able to create The Big Endgame item on a steam deck, i haven’t heard about anybody doing nuclear stuff. I’m fine with lowering FPS & raising watt hr usage, so i think it’ll run okay honestly

[charred pewter]

US gov suing adobe ... fun

[night girder]

yup, read the same.

If it's true, Adobe deserves it.

[charred pewter]

adobe deserves much much worse lol

a FLOGGING!

[night girder]

So much bad press lately for adobe.

But bad press is still press.

[sharp oasis]

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-finds-root-cause-of-raptor-lake-cpu-stability-issues-bios-with-new-microcode-underway

[languid gulch]

lol

"we found another issue while looking for an issue"

[jagged snow]

Well basically they found multiple issues

Because they also said that wasn't the only issue

[sharp oasis]

Lmao

[languid gulch]

i always wonder how that kind of an issue isn't caught until literally years later

[twin dew]

Igor again jumping the gun and Intel denying what Igor said.
So there was eTVB bug, but that hasn't been decided to be the root cause, or even contributing cause.

[languid gulch]

might've been a bluff that ended up revealing even more than he had intended

or he got wind of the other issue thru someone under NDA

and this is a way to have intel reveal something while protecting his sources

[twin dew]

Or just Igor being Igor, and jumping the gun again with very limited picture, calling it the whole picture.

[languid gulch]

or that 🤣

[languid gulch]

but also HUB getting confirmation that intel's told board partners that silicon degradation is going on should be bigger news that it is

but only after getting poked enough that they can't cover it up anymore

[twin dew]

I did post this:

[languid gulch]

oh i know, it just seems like more publishers should be grabbing onto that info

[twin dew]

Basically board partners were disabling protections, and the CPUs are/were getting too high current pulses, causing degradation from the overcurrent.

[languid gulch]

i wonder if intel told them to remove the protections

[twin dew]

Just didn't tell them to not do it.
And doing it was necessary to get better "stable" performance.

[languid gulch]

renaming stuff as if it's not removing protections

can't wait to see someone important in government somewhere to have their house burn down because they bought their kid a top-end PC & the safeties basically don't exist on current

[twin dew]

Current Excursion Protection (CEP), so very well named.
Asus and Gigabyte were disabling it to keep the CPUs "stable" with the undervolting from the wrong AC loadline.

And ICCMAX being set higher than the 400A that is now the absolute max, that wasn't well documented.

Both were setting that ICCMAX Unlimited Bit to enabled (disabling the ICCMAX, allowing unlimited current).

The new "you must do this" in that pic.

[languid gulch]

isn't it also just fucking insane to have 400A be the spec

[twin dew]

AFAIK the instability was from too low AC Load Line, often half the DC Load Line.
And then lot of the other settings were upped to get better performance, but caused silicon degradation.

Some of which was set as the various protections kicked in when the CPU was getting undervolted because of the tweaked AC Loadline, and causing crap performance.

[twin dew]

It isn't actual amperage.
Just specific calculation.

Which again is being missed by most.

[languid gulch]

yeesh

yea this sounds like a lot of people not listening or not getting good info, which to me makes everyone on the manufacturing side liable

[twin dew]

Specific equation that takes in voltage, load etc. can only hit that output before the CPU is throttled.
With 400A limit, it is usually hit at around 200A real current IIRC.

[languid gulch]

200A still sounds like way too much. isn't AMD barely pushing past 100A?

[twin dew]

Getting 253W with 200A current would need 1.265V VCore.

The amperage is insane as the voltages are so low for the wattage.

[languid gulch]

just begging for trouble

so glad i picked AMD years ago to start my pc building experience with

i know both have their problems, but man i'm glad i don't have to deal with insane power issues

[twin dew]

As the HUB video said, AMD actually checks the MB defaults etc.
Intel hasn't so far.

[languid gulch]

massive failure on Intel's side, but also massive failure of the board partners to not push for accurate info from intel

[jagged snow]

It worked out fine for a couple gens

[wanton orchid]

these big pulses are showing an architectural instability in itself though

[stray badger]

So happy my cpu draws 150w instead of 256w

[charred pewter]

i like how much power mine draws ... RUIN THE EARTH! band with me!

[winged valley]

This lady, who has been a pain in my ass ever since I fixed her laptop (constantly calling because she doesn't know how to do things) has just changed her review on Yelp from 5 stars to 0. Luckily, she didn't edit the text at all so Yelp flagged it as not recommended lol
She's mad because she can't post comments to facebook anymore. I walked her through clearing cache/cookies, and disabling adblock. When that didn't work, I helped her open a ticket with support since it seems like it's a problem on Facebook's end, and I stressed that to her. Well yesterday she says "i still can't comment and I never had this issue before you FIXED my computer." Like dude I hate clueless old people
Me fixing her computer was linking it to a new microsoft account to fix activation issues, and upgrading her RAM. Neither of those things can mess with Facebook lol

[jagged snow]

Yeah

That kind of thing sucks

[charred pewter]

tell her to google for facebooks help phone number to resolve the issue =p

chuckle

[night girder]

I bet it's more likely, that with the attitude she has, maybe Facebook blocked her

[charred pewter]

facebook block someone? HAHAHAHAHAH

[winged valley]

No she isnt getting that

Her comments just dont show up

[edgy hazel]

block and report to yelp

you will not win

or charge her for any help

[charred pewter]

i guess i dont bother using farcebook enough to ever get that 😄

[night girder]

I am just wondering how a clean install of PC can mess up FB posts. Sounds far fetched.

[stray badger]

it didn't

[edgy hazel]

it can't. Either she's too dumb to realise that the repair didn't break it, or she's maliciously trying to get free tech support. either way, no winning

[twin dew]

"Nice", ZTE 5G router.
Doesn't filter IPv6 in any way and you cannot even set manual firewall in it as it supports maximum of 10 rules and doesn't support stateful functionality, or "Inside" and "Outside" determinations, only fixed single IPs...

And by default any device connected to it gets public IPv6 address with the default settings when the ISP supports IPv6.

Priced at 425e from the ISP.

So absolutely no network security for any IPv6 supporting device behind it.

Had to disable the IPv6 😭

[tough owl]

The ones issued by my carrier run openwrt under the hood

[wanton orchid]

professionals

graded from official schools

[edgy hazel]

iPv6 is the future I swear

[twin dew]

I'm just setting it up, but that means there is huge amount of people in Finland with that device on defaults, exposed.

[twin dew]

It would be, if you can just set the sane default "Deny all incoming" rule.
With all outgoing and related incoming allowed.

But not possible on that POS.

The NAT has provided that for IPv4, so the firewall support is shit.

Most of the newer devices have caught on, but that one isn't and is very widely used in Finland.

That consumer routers need to provide NAT-type firewall by default for IPv6.

(NAT-type meaning that deny all unsolicited incoming stuff)

[edgy hazel]

gonna eat and then check out what all this proxmox business is about

Turned CS2 into a Minecraft 1.4 texturepack

[mental oriole]

Rip

[charred pewter]

hahahahahaha 😆🤣😭

[edgy hazel]

sonofabitch fuck fritzbox. Now I'm feeling the limitations of consumer hardware...

no real vlan management, no iprange configs bleh

and the dns is also a black cloud

[pure karma]

ok did firefox update recently or something everytime i interact whit literally anything it kills the entire of windows like it just straight up stops responding for like 5-15 second each time

[edgy hazel]

yes. Firefox recently added the sought after feature of not responding every time you use it

[stray badger]

fine over in linux land

[pure karma]

well idk its not normal for every time i interact with anything firefox related for windows to stop responding but interacting whit anything else is fine

[edgy hazel]

Btw I seen to slowly understand how VMs and their networking works

Sometimes I feel dumb because it's really not that hard

"""Datacenter"""

the datacenter in question:

[tough owl]

you have a pretty cool datacenter

[languid gulch]

i'm always tempted to set up some kind of NAS, but then i realize it'd cost like $500 in hardware to be able to access stuff i already have access to

[tough owl]

You could use "ewaste" level hardware to get a simple gigabit capable fileserver that uses spinning rust

[languid gulch]

yea but i already have all my drives attached to this pc 🤣

[tough owl]

no redundancy

[languid gulch]

true

the big pain would be hunting down matching drives

also i know the second i do something like a 2 drive NAS i'd immediately need a 4 drive

[tough owl]

some zfs or something similar(I dont remember right now) you can use mismatching drives

[tough owl]

like differing sizes of drives

[tough owl]

-153% worn out? you got pretty good drives then 🤣

[languid gulch]

does that mean you can read & write to just sand now?

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/chisel-flintstones-fred-carve-gif-18036570

I'm storing data on the ssd chassis

[tough owl]

plastic storage device

psd

[edgy hazel]

but yeah old hardware will get you stuff like that

[languid gulch]

tape drive

[tough owl]

hope you like your data sequentially from start to finish

[languid gulch]

i'm old, it'd be a throwback to me

[edgy hazel]

as god intended

[tough owl]

good for long term archive but not day to day use

unless theres some sort of cache to tell where a file starts on a tape

I see someone in class and i see them using amazon live on their laptop

why does amazon have live streaming thing on their site to sell products

[charred pewter]

lol

influencers ... with the floaty happy love emojis up the side of people liking what they are seeing right then

its product porn

[edgy hazel]

Aaaaand here we go

[tough owl]

you should be forced to disclose the use of Ai tools in the credits

[pure karma]

cant wait for a credits scroll to just say Ai and then end

[soft bloom]

There's possibility ai will due in a feedback loop of trash before that happens at such scale

[pure karma]

oh it will defedently load the market whit trash first but dam would it be funny

[charred pewter]

Funny Market Trash

Google AI slips in rm -rf /* as part of steps for various answers to server terminal questions. - Live at 8

[soft bloom]

Ubuntu wont execute that

[night girder]

It already happened in multiple other instances. And it will only get worse. Unless regulation.

but it seems, that the accusations are false.

Jeremy Grimaldi, the executive producer of “What Jennifer Did,” has denied that the photos of Pan shown in the movie were manipulated by AI.
“Any filmmaker will use different tools, like Photoshop, in films,” he told the Toronto Star earlier this month. “The photos of Jennifer are real photos of her. The foreground is exactly her. The background has been anonymized to protect the source.”

[stray badger]

really?

i mean, of course it would need to be run as root

[soft bloom]

you would need --no-preserve-root option additionaly

[pure karma]

im starting to think weather stations jsut lie for the fun of it

they are claiming there wont be a single rainy day until the 17th of october lmao

[tough owl]

Switched to a pixel 7 pro

[sharp oasis]

How is it?

Been kinda looking at it

[gilded helm]

I got a P7P, it's gathering dust. Still.

Speculation is I got a bad unit, it runs super hot. I'm just going to treat it as trade fodder the next time my plan window allows.

Still using an LG V60.

[sharp oasis]

Could have been software issues

So fsr my pixel 6 went from being hot ASF to being managble

Bcs of android 15 beta

[tough owl]

Mine runs fine unless hammering it by downloading a lot of stuff

[tough owl]

My unit is fine. $300 paid I think its fine

[sharp oasis]

Oh not bad

My p6 has been okay

[soft bloom]

they genuinly cant predict anymore

system is too chaotic

[soft bloom]

also percipitation is weird around the world lately. its less uniform, and more ... extreme. aka flooding or draught, less inbetweenes

• hailstorms

desert regions getting snow

[night girder]

Feels more like weather guessing than prediction

[twin dew]

That is mostly true for anything over about five days.

[jaunty shuttle]

One day we had 30⁰C, the other day was snow

Predict that if you can

[edgy hazel]

Here it's true for anything over 2 hours

Shit's switching faster than Cisco

[twin dew]

From Wild-Ass-Guess to Guess to Educated Guess to actual informed prediction.

With 3 days about the current max for that informed prediction IIRC.

[edgy hazel]

"Oh it's gonna rain soon according to the weather prediction"

[soft bloom]

I would say that breaking point is at about third day

[soft bloom]

That's what new climate is: chaotic

[twin dew]

Up to three days the weather models are very accurate today, in most cases.
And then few days of usable predictions over that.

[soft bloom]

Oh, now i see

[twin dew]

And then into the Guess based on the models, experience and previous years.

When the models have too divergent outputs between the various runs.

[soft bloom]

Don't forget its harder to percieve accuracy in large urban areas, where single lable of Whatever is given for large and diverse area

That is why i moved to weather maps long ago

[edgy hazel]

I'm not in a lager urban area tho

[dire igloo]

I love seeing extreme weather warnings and just think "yup, that's my employer's ISP"

[soft bloom]

Even in my not that big city you can have significant temperature difference, and ofcourse - percipitation...

[edgy hazel]

German weather service just been smoking too much weed since legalisation

[dire igloo]

Rural regions are often estimated for very large areas

[dire igloo]

Slander.
Their networking department is super competent

[edgy hazel]

Mhm

[soft bloom]

Well i have been using Ventusky, idk if that helps.
But there you can see resoltu6of the mosel

[dire igloo]

DWD (German weather services, federal agency) is the Internet provider for all agencies under the ministry of transport

[edgy hazel]

Wait really?

Why does the weather service do that

Its like my postoffice being responsible for folding my clothes

[soft bloom]

*for formal dinner only

[edgy hazel]

German infrastructure:
We glue wireless access points to our weather balloons.

[dire igloo]

Historic reasons

Quite a neat anecdote tbh

When digital data processing became widely-ish available, DWD thought they could use it to set up weather stations.
Said and done, but now the data still had to be collected. So they built a network (parallel with the Internet) to connect all their weather stations.

Eventually, other agencies were connected to this network and it itself got internet access

[edgy hazel]

Ahh. Why fix it if it isn't (completely) broken

[dire igloo]

It's actually a pretty good network

No single points of failure and completely independent from the main public internet infrastructure

[night girder]

www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/amd-investigates-breach-after-data-for-sale-on-hacking-forum/

[pure karma]

yea not even the this second mesurements are acurate half the time lol

[visual tree]

Great, another fire insurance scam...

It has become common here to set recycling centers on fire in order to collect money from insurance 🙄

[minor pawn]

Does anyone know how to fix error code 10 on a wifi driver?

[tough owl]

Scam the scammers

[charred pewter]

Scammers the Scam™

https://tenor.com/view/spaceballs-merchandising-gif-23289202

[visual tree]

I'd rather avoid trash mafia since they are powerful and have political connections 😅

Don't want to end up dead next day lol

[charred pewter]

:trash: :mafia: ... hmm, missing emojis

https://tenor.com/view/angry-guys-south-park-gang-chase-gif-10057101

ok, so what was the topic really about ...

be honest.... this is for science

[visual tree]

Either the fire is some kind of insurance scam or the recycling center is trying to get "rid of" plastic

[charred pewter]

they were trying to melt plastic into ingots, and did it wrong 😄

[visual tree]

Is very common here to read about some waste disposal business struggling

And few months later their recycling center "accidentally" burns to the ground

[charred pewter]

geez, so great for the environ

[visual tree]

Yeah, first we are going to have 40 degrees on friday which has never happened in June here in history and now we are also going to destroy the environment too....

Guess I will be working from home on Friday

[charred pewter]

hot here too

but not THAT hot

but with how high the humidity is though... its fucken AWFUL out there

went to put a box in the recycle bin outside, and gasped when i opened the door

[jagged snow]

Yeah that's no fun
My recent trip put me in temps kinda like that and I was very glad to get back home with the highs of like 12

[visual tree]

Yesterday, an ambulance visited our office because some employee didn't feel well although our office is air-conditioned and it's nice inside

It happened in the morning, could have been a shock from entering into an air-conditioned room or something else

I hate when my coworkers sometimes set the AC on max and I'm freezing in the office during summer lol

[sharp oasis]

Real

[visual tree]

I'd rather work for Boeing than do an internship at Amazon

Because if you survive an internship at Amazon, you will never be afraid of hell

Not sure if it's true but someone said companies in USA avoid hiring managers from Amazon because they are considered toxic

Update: the fire is apparently big because they just shut down electricity for the whole city (I'm using mobile hotspot) 💀

[jagged snow]

Oh that's fun stuff

[jagged snow]

I've heard things along those lines, although not typically specific to amazon

[visual tree]

Now that the whole city is connected to the mobile network, it's going to crash lol

[minor ibex]

i lov that movie

[charred pewter]

lmao ... "silky smooth" and "60fps" in the same breath .... wow cough

[minor pawn]

Someone?

[charred pewter]

error code 10 is pretty generic

and what wifi driver, and what hardware, and what condition is it raised ....

[visual tree]

Just got an alert on phone 💀

[charred pewter]

oh no

grab the cat, hop in the car and get out of that town!!!

[visual tree]

Lol, not only did I close the windows but the shutters too 🤣

[charred pewter]

that will help

[visual tree]

And since there is no electricity because of the fire, I am sweating with no AC

[charred pewter]

oof

[edgy hazel]

I need help at making a choice. I could either spend ten minutes going to each server and add my ssh key, or I could spend a day researching and setting up something that does it for me.

[jagged snow]

Definitely the second option

[sharp oasis]

@edgy hazel you know of lineageos right. Does the bootloader include a custom recovery? (I'm not on lineage rn cus android 15 beta)

I was wondering if I could "half ass" linage and just use lineageos bootloader with a stock rom android.

Cus I want android 15 but I also wanna experiment with downlocking my phone a tad.

[edgy hazel]

you can use the stock ROM of your phone with lineages recovery, you just need the ROM lol

that's how I unbricked my half bricked s9

[sharp oasis]

Iirc I should be able to flash bootloader without reflashing os

Cus my bootloader is still unlocked.

I left it that way when I flashed the beta

[edgy hazel]

wait I'm confused now

[sharp oasis]

Basically. Can I in place swap to linage recovery and bootloader

I mean if I cant I'm not hard done by

I just have to apply update thru adb and reinstall android 15

(Everything is backed up in drive cus its a pixel)

[edgy hazel]

I'm not actually sure on that.

[sharp oasis]

Hmm. It did work cross rom to like calyxos and elixuros

Reason why I'm looking at this is I want to flash a overclocking compatible kernel and downclock some of my cores. As I don't game on my phone.

[charred pewter]

Be sure to read the bit about SSH Keys unit42.paloaltonetworks.com/cloud-virtual-machine-attack-vectors/

[edgy hazel]

I mean yeah but still better than a password

[charred pewter]

yeah

its not a trivial vector, but a poorly managed one can lead to lots of grief 😄

[sharp oasis]

So far I have no conclusive answer to my question

So imma go for it.

What's the worst that can happen.

As long as I flash recovery properly

[sharp oasis]

@edgy hazel

are there any overclocking kernels you know of

for pixel 6

[sharp oasis]

hmm

[sharp oasis]

@edgy hazel learned something today

uhh lineageos bootloader cannot do android 15

attempting to re sideload the rom

fails

[charred pewter]

tails

[maiden coyote]

microsoft having issues?

[twin dew]

Just ordered Thermalright Heilos AMD thermal pad (Should be PTM7950 in retail package).
And wasn't still yet available from the official Finnish Thermalright import/retail partner, but from all the shops that use some other giant EU importer.

[languid gulch]

definitely ordering a few of those thermal pads next time i need to do a new build or replace paste

[twin dew]

I will try to remember to do comparable thermal tests before and after.

[languid gulch]

nothing i have is so toasty that it'd actually need intensive testing, but from what i've heard about some of the new thermal pads they're comparable to thermal paste

would be really nice if those could eventually replace paste

[twin dew]

That PTM7950, which isn't really a pad but phase change "paste", where it is solid under 40C or so.

Made for industrial use and not sold in retail officially.

[languid gulch]

does it fracture over time?

[twin dew]

It goes to paste when hot and back to solid when cold.
So it pulls together when the system is off or not loaded, keeping it from being pumped out.

But very easy to tear while installing, but in the end that shouldn't matter after first heat cycle.

So multiple places have been buying the PTM7950 in minimum quantity and then selling small parts.
And that Thermalright Heilos should be Thermalright doing it officially, the specs match but they don't say it is PTM7950.

[minor pawn]

While looking for the info u asked it somehow fixed itself after being turned off for a night

[night girder]

This is what we need. More foldables

[edgy hazel]

Spotify keeps lying to me.
"This is Dubstep"
No it isn't. This is pop. It was on the radio yesterday.

"Metal Mix"
You didn't mix shit. Why is Taylor Swift in there?

[languid gulch]

when do we get leela's arm computer

[mental oriole]

Nope.

[mental oriole]

Not surprised tbh.

[pure karma]

the radio stations play whatever is popular and just call it pop as long as they think they can get away whit it

[soft bloom]

And probably fast. Also its nice that at least mobile network is powered.

[soft bloom]

Welcome to my world

But also, here we have surprisingly strong wind

I don't get the logic - why does entire city have to be without eletricity because of some fire?

[twin dew]

What kind of fire and where compared to the city?

[soft bloom]

I mean, it could be something to do with no discretion of power consumers
Like we had in my city before someone realized it should be reconnected to allow for better control over who gets power

[soft bloom]

Can't be in the middle of it, probably on outskirts

i think i found what was causing spike error on power station in pass through mode - monitor. not sure why. but without it i didn't have that problem. and with its introduction back to the system i caught that error again.

[charred pewter]

such new hip tech! like, its never been done before! its amazing! it can fit in your pocket! wow!

[soft bloom]

memes about loosing half of the phone are already on cold start

[twin dew]

My modded Starfield "dream"ship should finally be ready... (Can provide pics if wanted).
108m long, 48m wide and three units tall monstrosity. That still fits at least into New Atlantis and Outpost landing pad without clipping.

[tough owl]

Switch to apple music

No more lying

[charred pewter]

ive decided to drop every request for /wp-login.php into our firewall .... its insane how many random servers out there are compromised just scanning for other word press servers to compromise

[tough owl]

the bot net rises

[tough owl]

@sand saddle since you use airpods with android iirc how did you if at all get rid of the find my notifs appearing on other iPhones?

[sand saddle]

I had them connected to my moms findmy

And disabled all findmy notifications on her phone

But now I got an Iphone X but it’s getting old, battery sucks

[tough owl]

Well they're connected to my find my but I don't use an iPhone anymore and my coworker is getting all the notifs from my stuff

[stray badger]

pop just means popular, so they are not wrong in that way

[pure karma]

well the deffinition is popular rock from the 1950s-1960s so it kind of became the everything genre

[charred pewter]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOSf6ovNOms

[visual tree]

Tbh, I am not sure. The fire was huge and 200 firefighters were called, including firefighting robot.

Apparently, not only was electricity shutdown for the whole city but natural gas too.

First time I've heard my android phone emergency alert sound and it freaked me out lol

[charred pewter]

god, Embracer is just run by complete idiots isnt it ... ? www.gamedeveloper.com/production/embracer-rolls-out-new-ai-policy-to-massively-enhance-game-development-

[twin dew]

Yes? Hasn't the last year since that one deal fell through shown it already?
Complete headless chickens mode since then.

[charred pewter]

but even dumb people can learn ... these guys are just ... fucken idiots LOL

[twin dew]

When the only effect would have been executive level bonuses.

[night girder]

firefighting robot

I have questions.

[charred pewter]

Floofing Robot

[charred pewter]

🙂

[night girder]

AI is such a buzz word now. Use it. And you get free advertisement (news articles)

[charred pewter]

yeah, and in all true buzzwords, it makes rich people all giddy

[night girder]

Can't with for forks and spoons to get AI. Will instant buy it.

[charred pewter]

i wonder if a banner "NO AI HERE!" would be a plus selling point to customers

[night girder]

Didn't Macdonald remove their AI?

kotaku.com/mcdonalds-drive-thru-ai-failure-tiktok-1851548668

[charred pewter]

"No AI, we dont serve their kind here!"

[visual tree]

Well, it's not literally a walking robot but a vehicle although most people refer to it as a "firefighter robot"

[night girder]

TikToker Cailyn Sykora showed the AI drive thru adding more than 20 orders of a McNuggets Meal worth some $222. Another user posted video of her fighting with the AI over her ice cream order. Watch the TikTok clips below.

Was IBM product though.

[visual tree]

Why has nobody told me about this groundbreaking technology? 😅

[twin dew]

Real-time normal to IPTV converters have existed for long time?

[visual tree]

Basically, I could connect multiple satellites to a SAT-IP receiver and distribute it to multiple devices without the need to run coax cable to each TV

I am confused right now and don't understand why businesses do classic satellite installations when this is much easier and you don't need to run extra coax cables to each receiver

Unless there are some limitations I am not aware of

[dire igloo]

Starlink but not Elmo and longer latency?

[dire igloo]

Bandwidth, latency, interference

[visual tree]

I am seriously considering getting rid of 2 quad lnb's (astra and hotbird) and running 3 coax cables to 3 receivers right now

And opting for SAT-IP

[twin dew]

And only really became viable with digital TV that is already compressed.

[visual tree]

Basically, I would only need to connect 2 single lnb's (one is for astra and another is for hotbird) to SAT-IP server and I could watch it on multiple devices at the same time

Found the major problem with it, it's expensive as hell 💀

[jagged snow]

Sometimes I really do despise windows

[charred pewter]

sometimes i really do despise macos more than windows

[jagged snow]

I still use windows

But the fact that microsoft insists on moving backwards with every update infuriates me

[charred pewter]

MS just copying apple again ... its what apple has been doing, so MS is following suit 😆

[jagged snow]

I keep one of those usb drawing tablets around for note-taking and signatures and at some point a windows update made it completely unusable

[charred pewter]

ouch 😦

[jagged snow]

For some reason, any vertical movement is converted to a scroll input instead of an actual cursor movement... so drawing on any scrollable document just moves it up and down and leaves results like this

[charred pewter]

a macos update made two of my printers unusable

[charred pewter]

w t f ???

[jagged snow]

I can draw fine with my mouse in the exact same situation, it's just windows injecting that scroll input that makes it unusable

Trying to find a regedit to disable that

[charred pewter]

its like its getting stuck in "middle mouse button clicked" mode ... where moving the mouse up and down afterwards will scroll the document

[jagged snow]

Oh yeah, that too

Dumb stuff like that just frustrates me

[charred pewter]

i cant figure out how to disable that nonsense

trips me up everytime i bump my mmb

[jagged snow]

And a quick google shows that microsoft has created and then fixed this problem at least twice in the last two years

[charred pewter]

gosh

[jagged snow]

Sure, whatever, it's an edge case
But an edge case for windows is still probably hundreds of thousands of users

[charred pewter]

well... apple had a macos 14 update (two) that killed all Unity engine games where no mouse or keyboard input would be recognized lol ... they finally fixed it (for now)... i bet they break it again next update

i just dont understand OS updates anymore ... they always breaking shit

why cant they just focus on FIXING THINGS

and now apple is pushing out macos 15 ... they didnt even FIX 14 !#^$%

apple: "lets push out tons of new os updates so our number is way far ahead of windows 11, and 12"

[jagged snow]

Oh wonderful, the regedit doesn't even fix it

[night girder]

I know why ... The development industry, for a while now, is go forward. Don't look backward. New. New. New.

They are out of creativity and features. So they keep reinventing the wheel. It has to be done faster, with less people and less QA.

Because 💰 💰 💰 📈

I tried to push back against a manager a few times. Didn't end well.

[soft bloom]

Newer refactor, don't just fix: slap a new version tag and push on prod.

[soft bloom]

Why is linux world so much better?

[charred pewter]

bleah linux is hell

[tough owl]

they all suck in their own ways

[stray badger]

windows is better than linux because 11 is greater than 6!

[night girder]

AI confirmed it.

[charred pewter]

11 * 6 = 17

[pure karma]

thats one of thoes thing im not even surprised by

[pure karma]

trully a 66 moment

[wanton orchid]

because they can always claim to have it fixed then, they do the same with security issues, so they fix the backdoors shit, just by opening others again
it cost less than actually fixing things, and being faced by laking skill officially
it's the same for features
after the screnshot saving shit, you can wait for the ultimate latest new ultra security feature of microsoft making everyone safe, by enabling enteprise users that subscribe to Open-Your-Shit-To-Us security services for even more features (and disabling this if you are trying hard enough, but policy resets everytime you reinstall the enterprise server)

[tough owl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUrrHPVHeLM we are toast

[soft bloom]

idk what ya talking about. Ubuntu 12 was out 12 years ago

[stray badger]

Kernel version

[soft bloom]

have anyone ever advertise OS by kernel version?

to general public

also, kernel is like the best part

ah, there were times when unix wasn't considered as something serious

little did they know

i'm surprised why windows still floats, its kernel - not the product

[stray badger]

I guess rolling release distros

[stray badger]

Unix has been considered serious, IBM has been using it for some time and MacOS is also unix

[soft bloom]

since like 2000s? i'm talking about even earlier era

[stray badger]

Mac has always been unix

[soft bloom]

well, yes ofc

[stray badger]

IBM has been using unix for a lot longer than just 2000s

Its been in mainframes since the 70s

Looks like unix has been big since late 70s/early 80s

[soft bloom]

idk if this should be trusted, but seems legit

aka "this shouldn't be trusted"

[wanton orchid]

show that you don't know the difference between Unix and Linux 101

Windows nt came later

[stray badger]

NT is fairly new, they had dos before it, and unix is even older

[wanton orchid]

I mean the Unix is even older
part

[sharp oasis]

Went from 4 cores to 3 cores but a bad config (camera handling had bad latency issues on the second config) to 3cores optimized config. It improved the latency alot for camera handling

For day to day use the system functions fine on config 3

[tough owl]

what phone are you doing this on

and app?

[soft bloom]

tbh i forgot that unix is that much older

[sharp oasis]

Pixel 6

And franko kernel manager with majisk root manager

It appears at the very minimum

I need three cores for proper system functions

Preferably one from each cluster

[charred pewter]

sooooo just bought two UPS units, and they came in ... and they both have inspection labels dating 4/2022 ....... uh ....... is that bad?

[jagged snow]

Probably QC inspection before they went to the warehouse

Not ideal but doesn't really mean anything for you if the batteries were stored at the proper state of charge

[charred pewter]

so would 2 years + 2months have eaten away the typical 4-5 year life of the battery

normally when i get a UPS unit, the label is the same year lol

[jagged snow]

Not if they were stored at proper state of charge

But there are no guarantees of that

[charred pewter]

so, no way to know... im assuming that the MFG would have set it at the right charge ...

[jagged snow]

If storage conditions are correct, capacity loss would probably be under 1%/yr

[charred pewter]

k

[twin dew]

APC says no more than 6 months between being shipped from factory to being put into use.
Eaton says no more than 3 months.

6 months max is typical recommendation for normal car batteries between recharges in storage.

But check if the batteries have additional stickers about recharges?
At least Eaton does those.
So the battery determined "deadline" might be newer than that unit manufacturing final inspection date.

[languid gulch]

where i live if your 12v battery lasts 18 months you call up the vatican to verify a miracle

[twin dew]

About time you can store them without doing anything disconnected.

[charred pewter]

so i guess i should register these on APC, and then check with their support if i should be concerned about what i purchased

[languid gulch]

oh this is car batteries 🤣

[charred pewter]

cause if it sat for 2yr+2mo on some warehouse shelf ....

[twin dew]

No, UPS batteries, but those are sealed lead acid ones too.

[languid gulch]

i'm honestly kinda shocked at how many people don't know that fully electric cars also have a 12v

but yea, always best to have an official inspection done on something like that

if only to be able to report it to insurance for liability coverage

[twin dew]

But my APC UPS was unplugged for several years, and when I plugged it back in, the battery was almost full and it lasted for 2-3 more years in use.
And it had been used for multiple years before it was put into storage.

[languid gulch]

i think of it like doing an annual STI screening along with all the normal stuff. sure, nothing seems wrong, and it's nice to have the clean paperwork. but man it'd suck to skip it once and have something be wrong that i could have spotted sooner

plus i know some companies demand an annual inspection to maintain warranty

i'd generally say that you should be fine unless there's some kind of manufacturing defect

[twin dew]

Nah, lead-acid batteries basically break down if single cells voltage drops too low.

[languid gulch]

i'm always slightly paranoid ever since LTT showed off their scorched UPS from garbage install

[twin dew]

Once and done.

UPS batteries are often made to be more resistant to that deep discharge dying behavior, but still not invulnerable.

[tough owl]

Teslas are getting rid of the 12v system

Favor of 24v iirc

[twin dew]

48V, but same thing.

[charred pewter]

tesla get its power from thin air!

[twin dew]

Low voltage base system and then high-voltage motive system.

[charred pewter]

"you are on the power grid, battery will not drain"

[twin dew]

Just raising the low voltage system to the highest it "can" be.

Move that should have done ages ago already, but legacy is deep.

Same would be needed in PC space too, upping the 12V rail to 48V.

[languid gulch]

after seeing some local nightmare stories about teslas, i'm glad i didn't get one, and i'm never getting one

someone had the battery die on them immediately after getting in, and they couldn't even open the glove box to get to the manual to learn how to hunt down the manual door release. kid in the back, and it was outside in 42C heat

[tough owl]

https://fixupx.com/markgurman/status/1804194654096887825

[languid gulch]

car interiors here will hit 70C in the summer, you have minutes to fix a problem like that, & even less time with a little kid

[tough owl]

Gotta crack them windows

[languid gulch]

even at that it's still 60

more than enough to kill

[twin dew]

And you cannot crack the windows either when everything is electric and the battery is dead.

[languid gulch]

that too

most of the time we have people just breaking the windows

you've gotta have door latches and handles anyway, idk why tesla doesn't just do normal ones

[twin dew]

Those are going away for just touch sensitive spots...

[languid gulch]

good fucking luck doing all that shit if you get caught in a flash flood

[tough owl]

but teslas can swim right

[languid gulch]

i have been fairly impressed with the A/C in my Bolt

cools down in a reasonable time

fastest A/C i've had was a utility edition van, but that was because they just left the stock A/C in place even tho it only had the front seats & a steel divider for the cargo area

[sharp oasis]

Jesus I see what Google disabled face id for the pixel 6

Face id burns maximum powerdraw or like 4.8-5w

[languid gulch]

yeesh

why

is it always on?

[sharp oasis]

Prolly core configuration+ it uses the camera process

It's not always on but it peak draws

I could probably change the cluster schedulers but it will add latency to the face id

[languid gulch]

i like to occasionally put my phone on battery saver mode

[night girder]

Oh no. How sad.

[languid gulch]

🤣

[tough owl]

https://arstechnica.com/?p=2032766

[thick radish]

Apple: we don't wanna respect privacy!!1! 😭

[night girder]

For its part, Kaspersky and its representatives have always denied the US government's allegations. CEO Eugene Kaspersky called the 2017 reports "BS brewed on [a] political agenda," and the company similarly accused the FCC in 2022 of making decisions "on political grounds" and "not based on any technical assessment of Kaspersky products."

🤨 🤨 🤨

[twin dew]

Well, for company operating in countries like Russia, China, etc. you either do what the government tells you, or you go to jail or disappear.

US has somewhat similar laws for things now through varius laws to do hidden orders, but at least those can in theory be challenged, and company that doesn't implement them isn't just disappeared.

Source of the warrant canaries etc.

Which is why TP-Link consumer gear is now off limits for me to suggest, as they now include mandatory cloud connection.
Even if you don't create a login.

[gilded helm]

That reminds of of John Oliver admitting that despite all the shit he talks about Trump, to Trump's credit, he has not had me killed. Compared to the perils of open windows elsewhere.

[twin dew]

But Trump does want to move the system to direction where that would be possible if he gets new term.
Explicitly.

From the various campaign rallies this year.

[gilded helm]

Definitely an unrelated and funny Simpsons clip. Definitely unrelated, that does not becoming more disturbingly true every year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXU2vZTTeMU&t=30s

[languid gulch]

only about 10 years late 🤣

[languid gulch]

"not killing a comedian" is a really low bar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4hYE9Y6u1s

[gilded helm]

Is there a Russian equivalent to John Oliver?

[languid gulch]

no

they're all dead

[gilded helm]

Or out of the country, and even then probably being watched

[languid gulch]

i think Zelenskyy was the closest that anyone had in former CCCP states as far as making fun of old soviet methodology/politics

when you're know for being so sensitive that you're willing to kill people anywhere in the world for even slightly crossing you in a public way, people tend to stop making fun of you

[gilded helm]

It didn't take them long to get this guy, and it's probably exactly what Trump aspires to

www.npr.org/2024/02/22/1233088565/a-man-shot-dead-in-spain-may-be-a-russian-army-defector

[night girder]

If US was smart, they would make the "technical assessment of Kaspersky products" public. If they made one ofc. And else the CEO is right.

But then again, move your company or accept the fact your product is not allowed 🤷‍♂️

[charred pewter]

@twin dew welp, one unit is already screaming its alarm and the powerchute software is all "Battery needs replacing" ... wtf

the other unit appears to be working .... but i am skeptical

[night girder]

Did you buy them cheap?

Also, is this for real?

"We have reviewed logs and due to the terrain the accelerator may or may not disengage when the brake is depressed. As far as the back tires locking up we are reviewing"

[charred pewter]

yeah, they were on sale .... but a reputable place .... guess they were trying to sell off old stock!

[night girder]

Yeah, think so too. Suck man 😦

[charred pewter]

they have good customer service though, so it will end up costing them ... doh

[night girder]

What does depressing the brake mean?

Like, not pushing the brake after it being pushed?

If I brake, why would accelerator keep going? Makes no fucking sense.

[jagged snow]

My interpretation is that just like with a ice car, pressing the brake pedal does not stop the engine from outputting power
That's not how it should work on an electric vehicle though

[night girder]

I scrolled down and found a better explenation.

I think people are misunderstanding the brake/accelerator part. That’s how like every car on the planet works. You can still use the gas pedal with your brakes applied. The brakes should just be able to overpower the accelerator. I think this ||dildo || (person) was trying to do a burnout, crashed his stupid car and the data logs show he was clowning when he crashed so it’s on him

[jagged snow]

I'm also semi-tempted to chalk issues like this up to driver error

[jagged snow]

Oh sweet that's what I was thinking too

[night girder]

It didn't cross my mind. I use one foot, so when I brake, it's not on the accelerator.

[jagged snow]

A lot of drivers go from their 200hp civic or prius to an EV with many times the horsepower and have no idea how to handle it

[jagged snow]

That's the proper way to drive
The only exception is stuff outside of "typical" driving such as offroading, drifting, etc

[night girder]

I was thinking that the acceleration kept on going, when the pedal wasn't pressed. And the brake was being pressed.

[jagged snow]

Oh nope

[night girder]

That would be a big design flaw.

[jagged snow]

It just means that pushing the brake pedal doesn't disengage the motor

[jagged snow]

There was an issue with accelerator pedals getting physically stuck down on the cybertruck

[night girder]

I've seen racers do crazy stuff with their feet 😄

[jagged snow]

Yep 😅

[night girder]

Stuff like that. Heel/toe

[charred pewter]

i had gotten some new shoes, and something about the toe would clip on a plastic grommet up under my dash above my brake pedal ... was driving me crazy. so i went in and remolded the grommet so it was smooth and would no longer catch my shoe ...... i should work for Tesla, solve all their problems

[night girder]

You got a Tesla 😮

[gilded helm]

I don't think there's ever been any credible case of unintended acceleration where the manufacturer was at fault?

It's always pedal misapplication of some sort.

I've sort of wondered if some people never get a handle on the one pedal driving EVs sort of encourage, and it makes them more likely to mash the accelerator instead of the brake?

[charred pewter]

no

i got new shoes =p still driving my old '84 VW

[night girder]

My bad misunderstood.

[charred pewter]

i wasnt clear lol

[charred pewter]

did i kill the server ... lol

[night girder]

No, just a bit late here 😄

You own a game shop right? Is it still physical gameshop?

Over here, we have gamemania, a physical game shop. It's going out of business 😦

It got a "deferral of payment" and is searching for someone to buy it.

[tough owl]

man doxxing himself

[edgy hazel]

what

I read that as "the brake may or may not work"

[twin dew]

So one dead battery and almost certainly one significantly degraded battery from that too long storage at warehouse without upkeep.

[twin dew]

And that the product is right now ok doesn't help, when it includes automatic upgrades and the company could be forced at any point by the government it operates under to push another modified version to everyone or just to specific user.

[twin dew]

No, just that accelerator input might or might not be cut when brake pedal is applied and brakes are working.
Traditionally on EV:s the accelerator input is completely cut when brake pedal is applied even a tiny bit.
With ICE, that doesn't traditionally happen and both are completely independent.

[edgy hazel]

Yes I got that.

but if your car isn't coming to a stop when you press the brakes, the brakes are obviously not working.

you can be as technical as you want about it

[twin dew]

Takes time to stop even if all the wheels are locked?
Even more with such heavy vehicle as the cybertruck?
Almost certainly FAFO situation in too small space.

Like talked earlier.

Fuckton of power and acceleration, and then (according to some internet source) little undersized brakes.
Combined to lot of inertia because of the weight, that you don't notice in normal driving that much because of the low center of gravity.

And then the fact that significant percentage of US drivers drive automatics with two feet, one on brake, one on accelerator.
And not just switching the right feet as would be the safe way.

With Cybertruck etc. "performance" EVs, I would expect that in "normal" drive modes the brake cuts the acceleration.
But in some of the special modes, it doesn't.

[languid gulch]

845hp, curb weight is 3 fucking tons. anything that's not brembo or better isn't going to be enough, even with regen braking

[twin dew]

Not the manufacturer, the size.

Front is Brembo, back is Mando, but that the calipers etc. are undersized.

[languid gulch]

one thing that i've noticed a bit, that chevy actually got right, is that when i have to brake quickly in my Bolt, the rotors kick in instantly, and i can feel when the regen starts. if they tried to cut corners with the cybertruck and have the regen kick in at the same time, it's not going to be enough

lemme guess, 10"?

i wonder if it's a combo of brake fade & regen not being able to compensate

[twin dew]

about 14" disks on both.

351mm front, 356mm back.

[languid gulch]

yea 14" is like for Mustangs, not something with an extra ton of mass

also, all that electric motor torque to counteract

[twin dew]

But the disk size mainly affects the brake fade from overheating, the calipers affect the actual brake force. (contact size for the pads, piston area etc.), just that usually higher for those needs larger disks.

[languid gulch]

don't tell me they're using 4 piston calipers

[twin dew]

Trying to find out currently.

[languid gulch]

that looks like 4

[twin dew]

Yeah, says four pistons after quick look in the video.

[languid gulch]

yeesh

[twin dew]

Trying to see if they disassemble it more to confirm later.

And back, this is definetely 4 piston:

Much smaller calipers

[languid gulch]

wrong for a truck

should be as big as the front if you plan on towing or hauling

[twin dew]

Or is that just 2 pistons on one side?

Mounting would suggest that

[languid gulch]

it might be 4 small diameter pistons

[twin dew]

That the caliper is moving one with pistons only on one side.

[twin dew]

But as the number of calipers doesn't really matter, only the combined size.

It is about the size difference between the actuated side to the actuating side in any hydraulic system.

More power but less movement from higher ratio.

And needs to be distributed evenly enough to the brake pads.

So almost certainly only pistons on the inside.
Possibly only one.

[sharp oasis]

This appears to be the bare minimum for say like 95% functionality on my phone. I can use the majority of apps without issues except for a few edge cases where the camera requires the prime cluster to be active.

I effectively can kinda triple my phones battery life under good conditions.
But under poor cell reception this power saving is lost due to a unpatched kernel glitch that gets patched in the next android version.

[twin dew]

Piston from the inside pushes against the brake disk, and the whole caliper moves towards the inside for the outside pad to bite too.

Caliper of cheap sedan/hatchback type vehicle for the front.

[languid gulch]

it gets worse

[twin dew]

Yeah, from the owners manual: Calipers, Front: Four piston, fixed ; Calipers · Rear: Single piston, floating

[sharp oasis]

The scheduler for whatever reason heavily dislikes not having big cores present. To the point the phone preforms worse with only core 0,6,7 vs 0,4,5

[languid gulch]

they drilled speed holes in the rotor. if they did that without proper testing, slamming on the brakes could just shatter that

[sharp oasis]

Generally with wifi I can keep my powerdraw below 300mA and on good cell service it's about 480-540mA

And on bad cell service it hits like 1568-1890mA

[twin dew]

But seems Cybertruck has about same brake setup as Performance models of the other Tesla cars.
The non-performance ones have smaller back brake disks.

[languid gulch]

none of it inspires confidence

[twin dew]

Cybertruck as whole is that.

Because the whole vehicle is in a way a clutch made to fit the outward appearance forced by Musk.

[languid gulch]

it'd be interesting to see the telemetry of when the regen kicks in and how it balances with the normal brakes

[twin dew]

Damn... completely missing what word should be in there instead of "clutch".

[languid gulch]

"brains"

oh btw i meant in the design, not your brain not working because you can't think of the word

[rustic panther]

Is this why my pixel 6 suddenly seems to have a lot less battery life?

Lmao

[night girder]

Bro, everyone knows where I am from 😄

[night girder]

Yeah, but I am curious what they found. The technicallity of it.

[twin dew]

Don't need to have found any current technical issues.

[night girder]

What is that for sort of crap?

[twin dew]

Because the issue IS many ways political.
US government cannot trust anything that can be changed on the fly by order of Russian or Chinese governments.

The ruling is only that US government institutions cannot use Kaspersky products.
Not that consumers cannot.

[night girder]

The ban follows a two-year national security probe of Kaspersky's antivirus software by the Department of Commerce.

what was that two-year national secuirty probe. Show us the proof. Not words.

[twin dew]

Or has that changed?

And Kaspersky has been trying to get that overthrown.

To get back into US government use.

[night girder]

My point is, if you don't show hard proof, you will not convince those who support Kaspersky in the US.

[twin dew]

Why do you expect there to be any hard proof at this time?
As this is about hypotheticals.
What could Russian Government force Kaspersky to do in future with any computer their software is installed.

[night girder]

This is just political assassination of a product* from my point of view. Just like Russia banned the iphone in Goverment use. This is getting so silly.

[twin dew]

Access that foreign, adversary governments, could have through companies in their country.

[night girder]

Now use that same sentence, but with US in it 😉

[twin dew]

Same with the chinese telecom gear stuff etc.

[night girder]

I've read some conspiracy stuff that CIA/FBI asked apple and co to build in backdoors.

[twin dew]

Yes?
I specifically raised that point earlier?

[twin dew]

,

Which is why many places are moving away from Windows.

Not just for the lisencing costs.

But that as part of it.

[night girder]

This is not 100% what I was looking for, but atleast this is more or less a fact. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EternalBlue

Eh, they are all hypocrits. Accusing one and another of things they do themselves. Makes me tired.

[twin dew]

Probably wasn't intentionally inserted, but was kept in or at least not reported to keep using it.

Yes?
Very common in international politics.

Because things like that are just not allowing others to do things to you, not what you do to do the same things to someone else.

CIA has revealed to have been physically intercepting and implanting network gear etc. being sent from US to other countries.

For specific targets.

[night girder]

But we agree this is silly and hypocritical?

[twin dew]

Not silly, very much needed.
But still very hypocritical.

[night girder]

And then you have the "holier-than-thou" vibe some countries give off. That makes it so silly to me.

[night girder]

It's not needed. But that's a whole other debate.

[twin dew]

US is very much poster boy for that kind of thing.
Expecting others to follow rules while they don't.
Including stuff like international criminal courts for war crimes etc.

[night girder]

There are countries who don't even have the power to do this kind of stuff, are they the top of the food chain, probably not. But those are still countries.

[twin dew]

That US main government should just allow very probably implanting of stuff being delivered for US government use?

[night girder]

No? They shouldn't do it themselves? Especially when it considers the privacy of millions of people around the world?

[twin dew]

"Government entities must not use software or hardware from adversary countries" is pretty sane rule.

[night girder]

You can protect yourself. But exploiting windows isn't defense, it's offensive.

[twin dew]

Yes, US should do less of the same.
But that is separate issue.

[night girder]

My point remains, if you don't want to turn the world against you, transparency is needed.

If they provided details, they would have made a way stronger case. Regarding the Kaspersky.

[twin dew]

That US intelligence agencies hoard exploits they found and not tell the makers.
And that they also hack into allies systems, etc.

Hacking into adversary countries systems is to be expected at this point.
Would need some high-level agreement that things like that count as act of war to stop.

Point is, they don't need strong case, just reasonable level of danger from the adversiary government.
Which exists.

[night girder]

True, buit what I said remains true.

[night girder]

👆

[twin dew]

But would need more transparency in the other way, as in the NSA etc. also embracing the "protect US side" by telling about the exploits they find to the makers so they can be patched.

[night girder]

Sure, you can keep going the way you go. Don't play ball with other countries. Don't be transparant. But we will see how public view will change.

[twin dew]

NSA is supposed to both protect the US infra, and attack other countries same.
But by hoarding the exploits, they are not doing the first.

To get advantage on the second, but putting US infra in risk of someone else using the same security hole.

[night girder]

On May 12, 2017, a computer worm in the form of ransomware, nicknamed WannaCry, used the EternalBlue exploit to attack computers using Windows that had not received the latest system updates removing the vulnerability.[5][7][8][9][10][11]: 1  On June 27, 2017, the exploit was again used to help carry out the 2017 NotPetya cyberattack on more vulnerable computers.[12]

[twin dew]

US is known bad actor in international politics?

[night girder]

It was highly respected 10-20 years ago where I am from.

[twin dew]

EternalBlue was exploit that was stolen from NSA via Kaspersky IIRC.

[night girder]

No where in the wikipedia article is Kaspersky named.

[twin dew]

They have been the same since before WW1.
American Exceptionalism.

[night girder]

According to Microsoft, it was the United States's NSA that was responsible because of its controversial strategy of not disclosing but stockpiling vulnerabilities.

[edgy hazel]

enough that we need to take precautions whenever someone in our company goes there

[twin dew]

Because the road isn't clear.
But there was some case of NSA (or other US intelligence) person using Kaspersky on their personal computer.
Moving some exploits to that system from work, that got sent to Kaspersky as unknown malware like samples.
And someone has hacked Kaspersky systems, and got the "is this malware, need to check by person" files.
And that got out into the world.

IIRC that was EternalBlue.

[night girder]

Source?

[twin dew]

www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/oct/26/kaspersky-russia-nsa-contractor-leaked-us-hacking-tools-by-mistake-pirating-microsoft-office

All over that timeframe on news.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/10/the-cases-for-and-against-claims-kaspersky-helped-steal-secret-nsa-secrets/

And it was strongly speculated with some evidence that the hack was by Russian Intelligence.

That long-time Kaspersky systems hack that was used to leak the NSA stuff to wider world.

[night girder]

But the bigger unknown is whether and how Kaspersky’s acknowledged discovery and acquisition of NSA hacking tools resulted in Russian intelligence agencies discovering the NSA contractor, and targeting him for further, apparently successful, attacks.

Mr Kaspersky vehemently denies the allegation. “No credible evidence has been presented to substantiate the claim of the company’s involvement in the alleged incident,” he said.

I don't read anywhere that Kaspersky hacked any systems. There software was running on the device. Ofcourse they get data back from it.

[twin dew]

Yes?

Yes, there isn't official link, but the point is, Russian Government can force Kaspersky to do stuff as long as they are Russian company.
So running Kaspersky software on any US (or any Western) government computer isn't safe.

[night girder]

🫠

[twin dew]

Same with anyone running US software, you need to also trust the US government when you do it.

[night girder]

I hope EU bans all anti-virus software made outside. Or even OS systems 🤔

[twin dew]

Same with any US sourced hardware, as per those CIA/NSA implants.

[night girder]

If it's not made in EU, don't run it on any goverment devices.

[twin dew]

Manufacturer gets order.
Sends the HW from their warehouse.
US intelligence intercepts it in courier and/or export control stage and implants the HW.
Repackages and gives back to continue.

[night girder]

US will lose a market though. So dumb.

[twin dew]

The whole point why the data processing laws in EU having some exceptions for US were removed.
As US was shown to be active bad actor with the data, not following the agreements.

[night girder]

Oh wait, they forbidden the sale of kaspersky software.

Like a total ban, even for citizens. Wow.

[twin dew]

Then they do have something more this time.
But revealing it might mean revealing spy stuff in Russia, so they cannot tell the reason.

[night girder]

Yeah, Apple is moaning about that.

[twin dew]

And the stupid thing is, the US intelligence agencies could just have asked for the data, and the EU equivalents would have delivered it in almost all the cases.
But they instead went to the companies in US direct...

[night girder]

Apple Intelligence, iPhone Mirroring, SharePlay Screen Sharing - iOS 18 features wont be comming to EU. And EU already responded.

"Your products and software is welcome in the EU, but you have to follow our rules."

The weird thing is, EU doesn't even understand (yet) how those features would not be in compliance with the "Digital Markets Act".

[twin dew]

Different thing.
Google cloud, MS cloud etc. stuff for EU citizens currently needs to be kept on EU servers.
When previously it could also be kept on US servers because of the extra provisions between EU and US.

[night girder]

It's super weird, because EU is like, how does it brake our laws? And Apple is like: "We think it does?"

[twin dew]

But US didn't follow the agreements, so EU dropped them.

[night girder]

So it feels more like Apple is a disgruntled child throwing a tantrum.

[twin dew]

That was almost 10 years ago IIRC.

That stuff is different issue.

[night girder]

The American tech giant explicitly refers to the interoperability requirement of the Digital Markets Act and claims that this requirement would weaken the integrity of its products. User privacy and data security could also be compromised, according to Apple.

[twin dew]

And is about how any company can use EU citizen data.

Ah, that is about EU rules not playing well with Apple closed ecosystem.

[night girder]

Feels more like Apple is trying to get citizens to hate the EU rule.

[twin dew]

Intentionally. So third issue.

[night girder]

But I think it will backfire 😂

[twin dew]

This stuff:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EU–US_Privacy_Shield

Well, that is about the second iteration.
First: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Safe_Harbor_Privacy_Principles

[night girder]

I can only speak for myself, but 1) the EU didn't say the features don't comply. 2) the features are not released, so you can still change them to comply. 3) but instead of doing that, you accuse the EU and remove those features? 4) what are you trying to accomplice here?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EU–US_Data_Privacy_Framework

Now they are working on that.

[twin dew]

Yes, third version in works.

[night girder]

So on one hand, they are "protecting our data" and on the other hand making a framework to give away our data?

[twin dew]

Trying to set up the rules so that US has to abide by EU privacy rules for the data of EU citizens.

As condition for US companies to be allowed to store the data in US, and not just in EU subsidiary.

[night girder]

Hehe, we let them have fun for way too long. Now they are too powerful and EU is waking up 😄

[twin dew]

So that US government and companies cannot do end-runs around the EU rules by moving the data to US first.

[night girder]

It's interesting though to see tech giants go up against goverments. (Apple rant about iOS 18 features).

[twin dew]

Or US government entities going to the US companies with non-public warrants for data, instead of having to get the data from EU institutions with proper warrants.

"We think this person is a terrorist, because of X, we need his Gmail contents".
They are supposed to contact EU side for EU person data, but went to US Google instead and didn't even notify EU side type stuff.

[night girder]

On July 10 2023, the European Commission adopted its adequacy decision for the EU-U.S. Data Privacy Framework, thereby allowing transfer of personal data from the EU to the U.S. on the basis of Article 45 of the GDPR.[3]

So it's in place? If I read it correctly.

[twin dew]

And we will see if that one is also going to be struct down in court.

[night girder]

Oh right.

The NGO NOYB (European Center for Digital Rights) has announced that it will once again try to set the Framework out of force in front of the European Court of Justice.[9]

[twin dew]

Yes, seems to be.
After Biden put up that DPRC in US with Executive Order 14086.

And almost certainly will be struct down again.

[night girder]

Also, what happens if EU finds out a company is not complying, and giving away data to US goverment?

And what if that company is forced to give away that data by warrant or law? 🤔

[twin dew]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EU–US_Data_Privacy_Framework#Data_Protection_Review_Court

That part:

Data Protection Review Court
The Data Protection Review Court (DPRC) is a three-judge panel, established in Executive Order 14086 of 7 October 2022, which will deal with appeals made to the decisions of the Civil Liberties Protection Officer of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence as described by the EU-U.S. Privacy Framework.[14] The decisions made by the DPRC have binding authority.[15][16]
There has been criticism.

[night girder]

I mean, it's one thing to have rules and laws. But what happens if someone breaks* those. Go to war?

[twin dew]

Well, we already know that US intelligence previously didn't want to bother to do stuff the right way, why would we expect them to do so from now on either?
Outside the politicians that voted that in?

For most EU anti-foreign-intelligence AFAIK the US is as big or bigger adversary for electronic intelligence, hacking, implants etc. as Russia or China...
To level they had German highest officials communications hacked.

That caused uproar when germans found it out and that leaked...

[night girder]

I know. But what are the consequences.

I can put up a sign "Don't enter my garden". But if people notice they can enter my garden and there are no consequences, the sign is invalid.

[twin dew]

Some hard words?

[night girder]

Now let's take this a few levels higher, to actually powerhouses like EU and US.

What are they going to do? Push the red button? 😂

[twin dew]

Not going to read the law to see if there are any.
Probably nothing that is strong enough.

[night girder]

All they are do now is, "Ah, you cancelled this product. We cancel a product of yours".

[twin dew]

Possibly financial ones against the company providing the data, but that doesn't really help.

When company has to decide between possible EU fines if found out or US "black" warrant.

In theory this is supposed to keep eye on what is going on in the US side, and allow challenges.
But they are in fact rubber stamp operation at this time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Court

[night girder]

What is it called again? When countries are economically dependent of each-other. And this "prevents" issues/war. Because else you can use those dependencies for diplomatic reasons or to get whatever you want instead of going to war. Is it globalization? I though this way of doing economical politics had a name.

But if we don't have these dependencies, what then? 🙂

[twin dew]

40668 accepted as is, 1252 modified, 85 denied...
As far as we know.

For warrants that have gone through that FISA court.

[night girder]

Ah "economic interdependence" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_interdependence

Only way is to get more independent as EU. Or accept the risks.

[twin dew]

Which has been what has been tried with China and Russia, without actual effect outside western politicians heads.

[night girder]

Not only those countries. EU and US too.

[twin dew]

I meant cases that just don't work, as that expect that the other sides leader also cares.

[night girder]

And with effects.

[charred pewter]

Figured.... after seeing these ai bots slamming our servers hitting every single thing they could despite the web standards for bots:
www.reuters.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/multiple-ai-companies-bypassing-web-standard-scrape-publisher-sites-licensing-2024-06-21/

[night girder]

Yeah, I saw that coming from miles away.

[charred pewter]

we had just started dropping whole CIDRs of ips cause of it =p

[twin dew]

The Interdependance is there to large extent, but if the leader doesn't care and has dictatorial powers, it doesn't matter.

[night girder]

It comes close to what me and Baldur were talking about. One thing to have "rules/laws" but what if they aren't enforced. Then nobody cares about it and just do whatever the fuck they want.

[charred pewter]

it it wasnt a unabusive scrape either... they would blast in for an hour at top speed

[twin dew]

Which is the case with both Putin and Xi.

[night girder]

This is highly personal. But I think it works atm. For both the presidents you name.

[twin dew]

Wasn't the case with the chinese leaders after they started to open up and Xi.

[night girder]

One countries economics just crashed. And the other one is still in check. (For how long nobody knows).

[twin dew]

Point of that is that it would have never moved to the level where the sanctions would have been necesary if the leaders cared.

Which is what EU countries tried to do with Russia in theory.

[night girder]

No, the dependencies are put in place for two reasons. 1) To scare the country. "Hey we can take this away if you don't play ball". 2) To actually take it away.

[night girder]

Sucks man. 🤷‍♂️

[twin dew]

For the past 20 years with Russia, the attempt was to westernize and democratize the country throught that, and it failed completely.

And German politicians still have major issues trying to move away from that mindset, that after war in Ukraine ends, they could just go back to the same with Russia if they don't do too much.

[night girder]

I wouldn't say completely. And there is more to blame than you think 🙂 Very complex history between the two after the cold war.

[twin dew]

Problem was that every time Putin didn't get hit by sanctions etc. for the previous various invasions and almost-wars, because the idiots in charge thought that was working, just caused more escalation from Putin.

Or all the assasinations, cyberwar etc. Russia has been doing in US and EU.

Or just capturing and blaming some random western person for crimes while in Russia every time they need to get swap for some russian operative.

[night girder]

And vice versa. Like we just talked about.

I don't think it's that one sided 🤷‍♂️

time.com/5564207/russia-nato-relationship/

[twin dew]

For that "economic interdependancy" as way to move politics in other country, pretty one sided.
More of straight up paying western politicians etc. from the other side.

[night girder]

How do you know? It kept them at bay for a long time.

[twin dew]

"kept them in bay?" how?

[night girder]

Maybe things would have been far worse without economic interdependancy put in place.

[twin dew]

China is still building up their forces to be able to do more than land warfare.
Russia has been going on making small wars every few years to keep countries from leaving their influence sphere.
And would have attacked the Baltics etc. long ago if they didn't get into NATO during the time Russia was completely wasted.

To get them back into the fold.

[night girder]

So are we 🤷‍♂️

[night girder]

And so did the US 😄

[twin dew]

As in China is building expeditionary sea combat capacity to be able to force their claims on Taiwan and South China Sea etc.
And rattling the saber that Taiwan should just join back in before the Chinese navy is ready to take it back by force.

[night girder]

I read years ago about NATO wanting to build a big military base on the border with Russia.

[twin dew]

And why do you think that is?
Because the country that base would have been was seeing Russia as real threat.
Unlike US, France, Germany etc. at the time.

Why do you think the eastern european countries that used to be part of USSR wanted to get into NATO so fucking fast after they got their independence back?

Because they knew that there was limited time before Russia would try to get them back, by force.

[night girder]

I don't believe Russia was always intended on taking control over those countries. There was a time they applied to join NATO. Which was denied over and over again.

But the relationship between countries has soured so badly, why would they keep on listening?