off-topic-tech

[scarlet cave]

me having 900 download and 500 upload thinking it was great

also how tf can you have upload as good as download

it is usually haft the speed of download

[midnight osprey]

I have 30/5 on mobile internet, lol

[sharp oasis]

it can be near syncronus

[midnight osprey]

in the uk, 900/100 is common a new company has built a network on the top of the existing one

the engineer today told me he had no idea why it would be limited

much better pings now too

[tough owl]

thanks yt

[night girder]

85 views very trending

[edgy hazel]

yeah recently it gave me a video of someones like 12 year olds birthday party

btw I see you Noah. Happy belated birthday.

[night girder]

They want to give smaller viewers a chance, so every x video is low view. Regardless of quality.

[tough owl]

its nice

but also kinda annoying

[night girder]

Mixed feelings.

[edgy hazel]

which tbh is really fun.

[night girder]

I understand what they trying to do, but this is not the way.

[tough owl]

yea

[night girder]

Half the time, I get the wrong videos. Not suited for me.

and really crappy quality 😒

[tough owl]

I like the concept of supporting smaller creators but its not even remotely with something im interested in

[edgy hazel]

nah it's fun. Sometimes you get just pure gold

[night girder]

it's always the 3rd video in the list at the side.

[tough owl]

1/10 videos

[night girder]

"How to get Sandbox Mode Codes in Roblox Toilet Tower ...." 753 views

[languid gulch]

or like surgery videos without warning

like wtf

[night girder]

Yeah, shiity code.

[tough owl]

i have yet to get this

[night girder]

Good intentions, but shit code 😂

[tough owl]

tf you watching is my question

[edgy hazel]

yeah a lot of the time it's just pure garbage. Like wtf is Linus Tech Tips?

[tough owl]

youtube back at it

[night girder]

Those videos only get like 10 views...

[languid gulch]

🤣 was permascrolling thru shorts cuz i was bored, and then BAM knee replacement surgery where they lifted the guy's leg up and OUT POPS HIS FEMUR

[night girder]

That's just gold.

You gotta give the smaller content creators a chance you know

[tough owl]

I have shorts blocked out completely on my desktop

[night girder]

like online news India 1

I wonder if "online news India 2" is doing better

[tough owl]

i hope so

[languid gulch]

i'm predicting another week before they start suggesting those beheading videos that scarred us all 15 years ago

[tough owl]

i hope not

[night girder]

I heard you can find some pretty fucked up things still on YT. Like animals fighting eachother for bets and stuff.

[tough owl]

oh yea you can

[night girder]

Haven't searched for it myself, some developer told me.

[edgy hazel]

that's old. We on bodycam footage now

[tough owl]

its all over shorts if you scroll far enough

[night girder]

So, there has to be some media coverage first before YT takes action I guess

[languid gulch]

i think the algorithm or AI they're using can't tell the difference between nature doc stuff & what's basically cockfighting rings

[night girder]

Can it tell the difference between humans hugging and choking eachother?

Doubt YT uses AI though. Probably some underpayed employees who quit after a week 😂

[languid gulch]

no idea, & i'm certain google ain't about to reveal that

[tough owl]

unless they publish it to github too

[night girder]

Facebook had the same problem. The moderators kept on quiting because of mental health. All the shit they had to read daily, humans can only take so much.

[languid gulch]

that stuff & outright mis/disinformation needs to be caught, they just don't wanna pay people enough to do it

[languid gulch]

like this garbage

[tough owl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Maeh4Qhhpwk

[tough owl]

it is lifes biggest question though

[night girder]

Is it me, or is this science stuff getting out of hand? Half or maybe more seems fake?

If we cannot believe in science videos anymore... there is no hope.

[languid gulch]

it ain't science

[tough owl]

i just dont watch science stuff on youtube unless its like nilered

[night girder]

Yeah, but they act like it is 😒

[night girder]

What about Neil?

[tough owl]

who

[night girder]

Yeah exactly. Watched it.

https://tenor.com/view/boom-neil-degrasse-tyson-startalk-bang-thats-it-gif-21988247

He has a YT channel. Pretty leggit.

startalk.

[tough owl]

meh dont really care for that sort of stuff

[night girder]

you don't care about space?

The actual thing you are living in

[tough owl]

not space videos

[night girder]

Eh, I didn't. But then I did. It's really interesting.

[languid gulch]

i think he peaked with the cosmos reboot, i've had a hard time watching him lately

[night girder]

Veritasium is also leggit.

[languid gulch]

pbs eons, smarter every day, veritasium, crash course, those are my main science

[tough owl]

yea, some stuff I dont really care for

[night girder]

Yet 😄

[tough owl]

I dont got time 😭

[mental oriole]

Boom indeed.

[tough owl]

need to watch online news india 1

[languid gulch]

i like the practical science channels that show process & product, not just speculation

[night girder]

Pure gold.

[mental oriole]

too clickbaity for my taste.

[night girder]

Who is speculation?

[languid gulch]

curious droid is a good one too

[night girder]

Half of science is speculation untill proven wrong. Still interesting.

Like black matter.

[languid gulch]

oh i mean the channels that'll make/do stuff, not just chat about things

[tough owl]

like mark rober type science

[night girder]

Oh like that, yeah I am also more of the practical type.

[languid gulch]

adam savage, mark rober, those guys

[tough owl]

"science"

[languid gulch]

slow mo guys

[edgy hazel]

nah styropro and all that shebang

[tough owl]

https://tenor.com/view/styropyro-gif-500848817405546554

[languid gulch]

i mean, mark's stuff is definitely clickbaity, but also he has hardware on mars, so he knows what he's talking about

[tough owl]

man does not need more car batteries

[night girder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTvS9lvRxZ8 This Mark Rober?

[tough owl]

that mark rober

[languid gulch]

yea

[night girder]

Very scientific 😂

[edgy hazel]

yeah but mark rober got so so so so so boring

[tough owl]

why i said "science"

[tough owl]

same music in all his videos 😭

[languid gulch]

also i love the restoration channels that show how old things work as part of the process

[edgy hazel]

hey guys you wanna see a glitterbomb for the 300th time?

[tough owl]

the real restoration, theres a lot of fake restoration videos

[languid gulch]

oh definitely

hand tool rescue is amazing

[night girder]

I like this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osUTMnDFV30

It's tiny bit of science and practical and entertaining.

[languid gulch]

curious droid is great for aerospace history

i've noticed scott manley's been really leaning into more science than gaming stuff lately

[edgy hazel]

only science I watch the the science on how GME goes UP UP UP 🚀 🌑 💎

[tough owl]

https://tenor.com/view/to-the-moon-to-the-moon-and-back-moon-dogecoin-doge-gif-23174407

[night girder]

How did boeing space mission go?

[tough owl]

dont think it exploded

[languid gulch]

not amazing but it docked

[night girder]

[languid gulch]

went from 1 to 3 helium leaks

[night girder]

Wow...

So that's why they send old people up.

[edgy hazel]

should go the oceangate route tbh

[languid gulch]

boeing says they can have 4 more leaks before "it's a problem"

[night girder]

Barry Eugene Wilmore is 61

[languid gulch]

suni's 58

[night girder]

Jeez...

Then again. Training astronauts is expensive.

So better use them untill they die 😂

[languid gulch]

they got old because of how long it's taken boeing to get here

they're both great people tho

[night girder]

So to the left is 61? and the right is 58 👀

[languid gulch]

butch looks fantastic for 61

[edgy hazel]

easier to explain the death when they blow that whistle

[languid gulch]

butch also installed the forward docking adapter 10 years ago that they used yesterday, so he got to test his work

& she ran 2 marathons while on the ISS

[night girder]

Also this:

Starliner is carrying a crucial replacement pump that helps convert urine on the space station into drinkable water. The pump failed last week, and since then, urine has been stored in bags on the space station while the crew awaits the replacement pump

[languid gulch]

oh yea, they definitely are excited for that

[night girder]

How many bags do they have

[languid gulch]

i hope they brought 2 replacements

[edgy hazel]

bro got that WoW space station

[night girder]

Also, running 2 marathons on the ISS might not be that crazy.

[languid gulch]

lol

on the COLBERT treadmill

that's a ton of "being active" on the station

[night girder]

Gives me fallout vibes ... without colbert head ofc.

[languid gulch]

with the head 🤣

[night girder]

Oh wait, it's real

[languid gulch]

😛

[night girder]

Man... all that money is being spend well I see 😄

[languid gulch]

i mean, it's 1 sticker

[night girder]

Ofc 😄 They are allowed to have fun.

[languid gulch]

gotta have a name anyway 🤣

was a write-in consolation prize

[night girder]

And that head is motivating AF 😄

[languid gulch]

i love it. it sure beats the boring industrial number stuff that usually goes along with nasa stuff

[tough owl]

https://tenor.com/view/theodore-kaczynski-ted-kaczynski-gif-22081042

[languid gulch]

atm i'm more worried about the russian section hemorrhaging

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/06/on-the-space-station-band-aid-fixes-for-systemic-problems/

[night girder]

Sabotage.

[languid gulch]

i think it's metal fatigue from age

some of that stuff sat for 10 years before being launched, then has been up there for 25 years

[night girder]

"The leaks are a sensitive subject. Because of Russian war efforts, the resources available to the country's civil space program will remain flat or even decrease in the coming years."

"They have repaired multiple leak locations, but additional leak locations remain," the NASA spokesperson said. "Roscosmos has yet to identify the cracks’ root cause, making it challenging to analyze or predict future crack formation and growth."

[languid gulch]

i mean, russia said they were planning on just shutting the hatch one day & detaching from the int'l section, so there's that

[night girder]

Fuck me. That's a rough situation. Political. Economical. And for the ISS and it's crew.

[languid gulch]

yup

i just hope it gets resolved before a blowout

[night girder]

I am happy to read that they keep cordial relationship with NASA.

Nothing good will come from letting earth problems become space problems. If you know what I mean 😊

[languid gulch]

russia has zvezda, which powers thrusters, & the int'l side makes most of the electricity

[night girder]

Oh ISS will be decomission in 2030 I read?

[languid gulch]

if it makes it that long

[night girder]

Yeah, hopefully they can learn from it.

What will they do with it? Would be cool if they can bring it back to earth for science.

[languid gulch]

nah, burn up

[night girder]

Ah, fuck.

[languid gulch]

plan's in place already

[night girder]

Then they could look at the damage and maybe learn from it.

[languid gulch]

ditch in the southern pacific where there's nobody to risk hitting

[night girder]

Kinda sad...

[languid gulch]

i think they're hoping that gateway will be up & running before they ditch it

[night girder]

Would be cooler if they could retrieve it.

[languid gulch]

way too big, sadly

[night girder]

It's the first space station afaik.

[languid gulch]

3rd

salyut, then Mir

[night girder]

Really? What happened to the first two?

[languid gulch]

burned up

oh also skylab

so 4th i guess

ISS is the 2nd modular station where it was assembled

skylab & salyut were put up in 1 launch

[night girder]

Oh right I remember hearing about the first generations, they had a big focus on military too.

[languid gulch]

skylab almost felt like cheating since they used a saturn V

Mir got retired in 1998 because it got moldy

[night girder]

Funny how they ditched the idea of militarising space. And now we have a Space Force

[night girder]

Doesn't ISS also have a mold "problem". Something they need to monitor closely.

[languid gulch]

not as bad, but yes

Mir had the mold mutating & eating cables

[night girder]

That sounds more out of a movie.

[languid gulch]

they also had a full on uncontrolled fire inside

plus on russia's first try with docking an automated resupply it missed & hit a solar panel

[night girder]

Apparantly there is also Tiangong-1 and 2 and current gen*.

[languid gulch]

yea the latest one is modular, first one was just a big capsule

[night girder]

This one is interesting too.

If we can pull it off.

[languid gulch]

that's supposed to be part of the lunar missions

[night girder]

Yeah... step by step 😄

[languid gulch]

i know they talked about reusing some sections of the ISS, but decided they were already too old

[night girder]

It's part of the Artemis program.

I don't see anything else planned though for NASA.

[languid gulch]

i hope we'll still get something big around earth after it's gone

i'll miss spotting it in the evenings

[night girder]

Went star gazing in the mountain in Tennerife a few weeks ago, but didn't spot the space station 😄

[languid gulch]

spotthestation.nasa.gov/

[night girder]

I mean, if we ever want to have anything sustainable up in space, scientist have a lot of problems to solve.

But maybe I watch too much sci-fi 😂

[languid gulch]

oh for sure, but it's been up there for 25 years, not bad

[night girder]

Either we need to find a way to repair it cheap in space.

Make it more sturdy.

Or find a way to get it down to earth safely for repairs.

That's what I like about spaceX.

reusable rockets is a good step forward.

[languid gulch]

or make big sections of it easily replaceable

[night girder]

Yeah, but that still sounds costly 😄

[languid gulch]

true, but cheaper than impossible 🤣

[night girder]

We only have limited resources.

We can't keep burning it up in space 😉

[languid gulch]

would be neat if we could deorbit stuff with a big fat heat shield, aim for the desert or a shallow lake, and retrieve stuff to recycle

[night girder]

or ocean with a float system.

[languid gulch]

or an orbital assembly station

strip it & recycle it in orbit

[night girder]

thing is, it's so costly to shoot stuff into space atm. I just read that it's already hard to get enough water to ISS, that's why they recycle piss.

[languid gulch]

yup, but also the cost keeps coming down

[night girder]

I think the next big step is, reusable. Everything we do atm in space, but with reuseability in mind.

[languid gulch]

oh 100%

[night girder]

Then we can expand further and further and solve problems 😄

Getting resources up into space is still a major issue.

[languid gulch]

that's why starship is so amazing, 100% reusable launch vehicle

falcon's nice, but that upper stage gets ditched no matter what

[night girder]

spaceX is doing cool stuff though. NASA is a bit more conventional 🙂

[languid gulch]

i'm still shocked that nobody besides a few small attempts by rocketlab has even tried to go for reusability

[night girder]

wdym, we just talked about spaceX no?

[languid gulch]

oh i mean in competition with spacex

their reuse is why the cost has been coming down

[night girder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6ppby3JC8 This is so cool 😄

[languid gulch]

watching the shock waves coming off the booster yesterday was amazing

[night girder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYb3bfA6_sQ starhopper is great too!

[languid gulch]

the memes about "sir, your grain silo is leaving" were great

[night girder]

Haha, fuck it 😄

It's expensive, it looks useless. But we gotta do this to advance.

Even from all the failures, they probably learned.

[languid gulch]

oh 100%

i'd be concerned if they had succeeded with everything on the first flight

would have no idea where the weak spots are

[night girder]

Or miscalculations.

And then it goes up into space, and they still discover they made mistakes or didn't think of things.

[languid gulch]

i can't imagine if the pad had survived the first few launches, but then failed when they started carrying cargo or people

[night girder]

Maybe they were so focused on the rocket, they overlooked the pad

[languid gulch]

oh we'll see some spectacular explosions when they start trying to land the booster

[night girder]

It makes a lot of sense, that pad is getting beaten

don't know who takes more punishment, the rockets or the pad 😂

[languid gulch]

seeing those car-sized chunks go flying on the first flight was kinda scary

[night girder]

Did they eventually go for water cooling the pad?

[languid gulch]

oh yea, & covered it all in steel

& made a big deflection spike

[night girder]

On Friday (April 21), Musk tweeted that SpaceX started building a "a massive water-cooled, steel plate to go under the launch mount" three months ago. The plate wasn't ready in time for the debut Starship launch, but SpaceX went ahead with it anyway, figuring that the orbital mount's underlying concrete — a special heat-resistant type called Fondag — could survive one liftoff.

"But sir, the pad isn't ready yet." - "Launch it anyway I say!" 😂

Sounds a lot like development features.

Or games getting released half baked. (Cyberpunk)

Still, might have been cheaper to postpone launch than damaging the pad.

[languid gulch]

just a bit

especially since the ship then bored a hole in the ground after ripping up the concrete

[night girder]

?

That's not a bit 😂

[languid gulch]

yea that was all concrete at one point

😛

[night girder]

That force though ... 👀

Too bad all that energy is wasted.

Would be cool if we could do something with it.

[languid gulch]

i mean, it's not wasted

[night girder]

I mean it's not wasted wasted.

[languid gulch]

gotta lift it somehow

[night girder]

If it launched the rocket, that's energy well spent.

[languid gulch]

yea true

[night girder]

But what about the heat? We just cool it.

If we could reuse the heat for something usefull 🙂

[languid gulch]

74kN thrust on liftoff

more than double the saturn V

kinda amazed anything can tolerate that

i can't wait to see it liftoff with some big cargo, see that thing crawl at the start

[night girder]

What was the plan again?

Mars?

[languid gulch]

supposedly

moon, mars, & asteroid belt iirc

[night girder]

Didn't they need a moonbase first?

Or something in orbit of the moon?

[languid gulch]

the first starships will just carry starlink

next will have longer cargo bays for big stuff

then human rating

[night girder]

The plan:

[languid gulch]

lol it ain't going to mars in 2027

i don't see it going to the moon till at least then

[night girder]

Ambition 😄

[languid gulch]

my guess is we'll see the NERVA revival go there before starship

[night girder]

That 05 is ... questionable.

and that's straight from spaceX website.

[languid gulch]

it's why they chose methane, easy to produce & store on mars

[night girder]

But... there are so many unknown factors.

[languid gulch]

yup

[night girder]

You can't just land and get it you know.

[languid gulch]

i had an idea for the first starship missions

[night girder]

Scouts?

or worker "robots".

[languid gulch]

just fill them full of inert stuff that's tough to get on mars, & maybe land them intentionally, but probably just slam them into the ground. either way you get your base materials to work with

no fancy buildings or organic stuff that'll get fried when exposed to mars, just stuff like ingots of steel and copper

[night girder]

scattered all over the place 👍

[languid gulch]

why not? at least it'll be there & relatively pure

[night girder]

you still need, like I said, things that can collect. Like more mars robots.

[languid gulch]

oh 100%

[night girder]

and with different capabilities than the ones we have now.

[languid gulch]

but this'd mostly bypass the need to extract & refine mars soil, or scout for locations of specific materials

[night girder]

True.

getting a good foothold is important.

Else it will fail.

[languid gulch]

just aim for an area where we're gonna land people anyway, that way it's not too far to travel

also maybe the first deployment should be enough fuel to enter orbit & set up a big fat communication satellite network

[night girder]

Yeah, a foundation.

Elon is talking about blowing up polars to teraform mars. I think he's tripping and thinking WAY too far a head.

[languid gulch]

first trips should be to verify there's no life, then if that's the case send in geologists to find the resource locations

[night girder]

Not sure if you remember that: www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/elon-musk-wants-nuke-mars-180956574/

[languid gulch]

i prefer the kurzgesagt method of using lasers to melt everything

[night girder]

Or maybe dont?

baby steps.

ngl, I like kurzgesagt though 😄

[languid gulch]

i love the skyhook concept

[night girder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPQQwqGWktE

Videos like that are pretty dope.

[night girder]

Yeah, I think I've seen that one too

It's entertaining, but sometimes a bit too much "What if ..." not really bases on facts. Can't find the right words. Abstract?

[languid gulch]

i'd also love to see a blimp on venus that we live inside at 1atm normal pressure

[night girder]

Did you hear about that expirement of the mars base that they had to abort because of social issues?

[languid gulch]

oh yea 🤣 that was not too far from me

[night girder]

That's another thing we have to fix 😄

[night girder]

Hypothetical! That was the word I was looking for.

[languid gulch]

i think we'll need to send a lot of people to keep everyone sane. variety of interaction is critical

[tough owl]

https://tenor.com/view/x-wing-flying-gif-26238628

[night girder]

No. What we need is internet.

[languid gulch]

🤣

[night girder]

If they have internet, everything will be fine 😄

If I get send to the other side of the universe, and I have my PC and my internet. I would be a happy man 😂

[languid gulch]

that should be one of the starship deliveries to mars orbit. satellite with a gigantic internet archive server so they don't have to have a super slow connection back to earth

[charred pewter]

pew pew pew

[night girder]

I need to pitch this idea to Elon.

[languid gulch]

🤣

[night girder]

"Yo Elon, all you need for humans to be chill on mars is internet."

[charred pewter]

Mars can just have X, ban facebook!

[night girder]

Imagine, a bunch of people on mars, just checking Youtube, Netflix, Facebook, Tik-Tok....

[charred pewter]

isnt that what "Stars on Mars" was

[languid gulch]

with a local server they could set up their own apps

[night girder]

I am kinda surprised I never heard of any social issues on ISS.

Probably because they are trained and professional.

[charred pewter]

because astronauts arnt stupid people ?

[night girder]

Still, can't always be easy living so close together.

[languid gulch]

also they know that if there's a genuine problem they're 4 hours from home

[night girder]

Yeah, they get preselected. 80% or more isn't probably suitable.

Including me. Don't send me up to space 😂

[charred pewter]

takes a certain kind of mental mindset, and they screen for that

OMG THEY ARE PROFILING

[night girder]

Not only that, the right social habbits etc.

"Does't snore" 😂

"Does't stink" 😄

[languid gulch]

i do know they have duct tape & sedatives for.....um......"problems"

[night girder]

In February of this year, the latest batch of pioneers, a crew of four, made the journey up the mountain. They settled in for an eight-month stay. Four days later, one of them was taken away on a stretcher and hospitalized.

Hahahaha, 4 days 😂

[languid gulch]

at least they're learning how to work with the psychology before just sending people

[charred pewter]

they have a velcro wall and the backs of their suits is all felt ... when one misbehaves they throw them against the wall

[night girder]

Nah, they send space force after you.

Sorry, you both are 🇺🇸, I shouldn't laugh at your space force.

[languid gulch]

nah, i find it dumb too

[night girder]

in my defense, there is literal a Netflix show mocking it though 😂

[languid gulch]

if it was under the air force, it'd make sense

[charred pewter]

Sparce Farce

[night girder]

Yeah... but even the camouflage makes no sense

What you going to do with that in space? (source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniforms_of_the_United_States_Space_Force)

[charred pewter]

in space, they never see you coming

[night girder]

Find a forest and hide in it? And if you are not going into space, then what's the purpose?

Or is it like a multi functional branch? Trained for earth and beyond?

[languid gulch]

i think part of it is that they're embedded in other branches

would make comrades a nice big target if 12 are in camo & one's in a full on apollo suit

[charred pewter]

its for all those earthlike planets they hope to invade... er ... explore ...

[night girder]

Do they even have a spacecraft that is viable for space?

The Space Force is the smallest U.S. armed service, consisting of 8,600 military personnel.[1] It operates** 77 spacecraft**....

[languid gulch]

yea, like i said, makes no sense, at least for now. i can see it being a thing in 20 years, but not now

[night girder]

You even got "Spacepower: Doctrine for Space Forces" ... this sounds ... weird 😂

Spacepower... really?

[charred pewter]

our space force aircraft utilize anti-gravity drives and thus can get into space and back with very little effort and fuss... also very stealthy as no plumes of white exhaust

[night girder]

We can't even keep ISS up for more than 25 years and that takes cooperation of MULTIPLE countries. Hell, even Russia!

Honestly, I think it's **WAY ** too soon for this ...

[charred pewter]

yeah, i need to be drunk

[night girder]

I can see it become necessary in the very very distant future.

When multiple countries start to colonize different planets or something.

Mainly to secure resources.

[charred pewter]

eh, if humanity gets to that point, pretty sure its gonna crash n burn before that

[night girder]

Don't know, I can see it happen. Maybe.

[languid gulch]

i don't like it as a concept because it's blatantly militarizing space

[charred pewter]

i can see it all crashing down in my lifetime, OR getting past certain advancements in spacecraft which allows us to explode into the galaxy

[night girder]

Yeah, but that's what we did with earth since ... the start of humankind?

[languid gulch]

yea, one of those "we really should know better by now" things

[night girder]

So, just based on looking at history, I think there is a high chance of happening again in the future?

[charred pewter]

once humanity stops killing itself and realizes its all the same race ... what we need is an alien invasion to band us together .... HELLDIVERS FOR DEMOCRACY!

[night girder]

That's why I respect and like history a lot, you can sometimes predict the future with it.

It's just chance based (math). It's a pattern.

[charred pewter]

you should watch the show "Foundation"

[night girder]

I always said that, to unite humans, we need a external threat.

[charred pewter]

its entirely about that

[night girder]

and EVEN THEN, it's not a guarantee.

[languid gulch]

i'd rather skip that BS & go to a united jump to the solar system

[charred pewter]

if we can terraform mars to liveable, that would really push boundries

[tough owl]

thanks again yt

[charred pewter]

Yahti Elongi ?

[night girder]

I didn't watch Foundation, I watched The Expanse 😄

[night girder]

I am so confused. One the title. Two the thumbnail.

[charred pewter]

the expanse is crap compared to Foundation 😉

[languid gulch]

asteroid mining in the belt, setting up waystations on the Moon, Phobos, & Deimos

[night girder]

I really liked the Expanse.

I was kinda pissed they didn't finish it 😒

[charred pewter]

because the expanse completely dropped the ball on what made it interesting to begin with ... the alien shit angle!

[night girder]

Jeff Bezos bought it up for another season because he liked it too 😄

[languid gulch]

maybe some big fat stations at 120/240 degrees in front of earth for

monitoring the solar system

[night girder]

That's what happens in the books too 🤷‍♂️

In the last book, they even make a big jump into the future. It was too expensive for the show to pull this off, so they ditched it. That's what a friend told me.

[charred pewter]

i kept watching it ... "come on, get back to the alien shit already..." "stop pussying around about slaves and human rights, and bullshit, fuck get back to the sci-fi alien shit!"

[night girder]

Hell, we are fish in the water for astroids at this point.

[languid gulch]

yup

[night girder]

There was this experiment with that rocket fridge to change the angle of a astroid.

[charred pewter]

fish in a bucket

[languid gulch]

first step is the sentinel around venus we need asap

[night girder]

Ah, fish in a bucket 😄 Thank you.

[tough owl]

ive lost all hope for the algo

[languid gulch]

(barrel)

[night girder]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Asteroid_Redirection_Test

[night girder]

It's 3 AM here. My brain is not fully functional anymore.

[languid gulch]

🤣

[tough owl]

oh the irony

[night girder]

I really think DART is a cool idea.

[languid gulch]

was neat to see them get good info out of it

[night girder]

It's small, it's doable, it involves science and a bit of luck 😄

I think it's the most viable idea against astroids at this point.

Better than "giant laser" or "mega shield around the earth".

[languid gulch]

i mean, i still want both of those too

[night girder]

Or even nukes!

[languid gulch]

not that tho

[night girder]

Because if you blow it up, the debris would collect again and still hit us.

So nuking it would be pretty bad.

[languid gulch]

and now you have multiple chunks to deal with

[night girder]

Yeah, and they pull together too.

Since they have mass, they have gravity.

So just changing the orbit seems the wisest option.

And the other problem is: detecting the course of astroids.

[languid gulch]

sentinel would help with that

[night girder]

agree

and we already had astroids hit us

[languid gulch]

big one near me

[night girder]

Did you get a sample? 😄

[languid gulch]

lol no

been there tho

[night girder]

Not sure where the closest astroid hit is to my area.

[languid gulch]

oh mine's a bit older

big crater tho

[night girder]

Europe seems to be spared. Atleast west and south 😄

[night girder]

Oof!

LOL 😂 They made a visitors center next to it.

Typical humans.

www.scribblemaps.com/maps/view/Map_of_Earth’s_Asteroid_and_Meteor_Impact_Craters_/GA8b753LHR

[languid gulch]

beats having it uncontrolled

[night girder]

That's a map of meteorite impacts with dates.

I wonder what the diameter has to be for an astroid to not burn up.

[languid gulch]

i suspect speed is also a factor

[night girder]

However, as a general guideline, asteroids smaller than about 25 meters in diameter typically burn up completely in the atmosphere and pose little threat to the Earth's surface. Larger asteroids can survive entry and cause damage upon impact.

[night girder]

You are 100% right.

various factors such as the asteroid's composition, speed, angle of entry, and atmospheric conditions.

[languid gulch]

i always wonder if we'll find direct evidence of the Theia impactor

[night girder]

Oh, the birth of our moon theory.

[languid gulch]

also the 23 degree tilt

[night girder]

I am having a hard time believing anything would deflect from our earth and become a moon.

I cannot visualize it.

[languid gulch]

if it's a "mostly impact, but some stuff missed" kind of impact, it could happen

[night girder]

But, that would have to leave a MASSIVE crater no?

[languid gulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRlhlCWplqk

[night girder]

And it's still a theory. Not fact.

[languid gulch]

i think it's currently the best explanation, but yea

[night girder]

Oh, it happened when earth was in fluid form?

[languid gulch]

or just starting to cool off, but that kind of impact would 100% remelt it

[night girder]

Ah, yeah that makes more sense.

[languid gulch]

and at that size & speed, everything's a fluid

[night girder]

And then it wouldn't leave a crater.

Because in massive form, I cannot see it happen tbh.

It would just obliterate earth.

Stuff like this picture.

nah, don't belive that. In liquid form or cooling down. Maybe.

Just so crazy to know what earth has been through to get to this point.

billion of years, my mind cannot comprehend it.

humans are nothing considering planets are billions year old. And we think getting 100 year old is an accomplishment 😄

Anyway, bed time. 👋 🛏️ 😴

[maiden coyote]

They've done interesting simulations.. tests with light gas guns. Something like a drop of water can vaporize and blow a hole through several inches of aluminum if it's moving fast enough

As the objects collide the projectile becomes plasma and turns the area around the impact area into plasma too

[twin dew]

Or just all the hits had been hidden by humans by the time we started looking for them.

With documenting in mind, iron from such hits was very sough after for long time.

And ISS was supposed to be retired long time ago with replacement.
But as the funding for the replacement never materialized, it has been kept going for way over the design-life.
Causing all sorts of issues over time.

[maiden coyote]

A piece of plastic did that

[twin dew]

At orbital speeds, it doesn't matter what the impactor is made of.

That was ground side test to see the effects.

[maiden coyote]

I watched a show called cosmos with Neil degass Tyson. Pretty good watch if you can find it. The only evidence of meteorite strikes is called shock diamonds. They're formed from carbon containing materials during a high energy impact. Like a meteorite... or a nuclear bomb

Yeah, at those speeds everything behaves as a fluid.

Planet sized rock hitting another planet sized rock at orbital speeds, they're fluids, not rocks.. its like two drops of water combine to become a bigger drop

[twin dew]

For the smaller stuff, mostly instant plasma.

IIRC

[maiden coyote]

And the whole thing becomes a molten hot mass of liquid rock.

[twin dew]

No, seems I was wrong, not enough time for even that.

[maiden coyote]

I would think there would be a cloud of plasma during impact. At least with the atmospheric gases

I think cosmos touched on the formation of our rock based off of what we know.

[night girder]

wdym, hidden by humans? That they filled up giant craters?

I don't think that's the reason.

[twin dew]

That in area with most humans, the features that contained already refined ores are not there for some reason?
When the spread should be pretty uniform.

For long time the best iron you could get came from the asteroid impact craters.

Or from iron nodules in swamps etc.

[twin dew]

Also any other terrain modifications and building that would make the contours from the impact after weathering less distinct.

[soft bloom]

Isn't it also part of observation we have like tiny leftovers of gold from would otherwise be big chunks? Like terrain features reminding craters etc

[twin dew]

Lot of ways to determine spot was impact site without the crater.
But no-one is going to test everywhere.
So if the major features have been modified or obstructed before last few tens of years with LIDAR sats, good luck finding the site if it wasn't known before.

And when most of that missing area has been heavily habitated during middle ages and later, with large scale agriculture everywhere etc.

[twin dew]

IMHO human activity in last 2000 years absolutely explains why there aren't that many known impact sites in the heavily populated areas of Europe.

Whops, sorry, forgot to remove the ping.

[night girder]

It's has to do with the angle of our earth, the atmosphere and the shifting of tectonic plates.

[dire igloo]

I agree with humans being a good explanation

Maybe looking at different areas globally will show similar but less pronounced activity?

[charred pewter]

back in the day, it seemed like so many people were taking photographs of UFOs... these days almost the entire surface of the planet is covered with humans carrying cameras in their pockets, yet we see no sighting cases

[dire igloo]

one might think that with higher quality camers the "unidentified" portion of the UFO seized existing

terminology also shifted to UAP - unexplained aerial phenomenon
cuz sometimes it's just optical physics fuckery and nothing actually flying

[charred pewter]

mirage

[cyan crescent]

Best buy employee:can i help you today?
Me in my head:i know more than you
Me outloud:no

[dire igloo]

toxic

[cyan crescent]

The most

I’ve experienced multiple times where i will ask the employee some technical question and they can’t answer it.

[dire igloo]

remember: they're retail staff

[cyan crescent]

In tech. Should at least know some stuff.

[dire igloo]

you don't ask a car dealer how to fix your engine

[cyan crescent]

Should have at least some knowledge

[charred pewter]

they should at least know the difference between the mac and pcs they sell

and even then, some seem to think the mac is a tablet

[dire igloo]

define "some technical question" then
i wouldn't assume that any retail staff knows about the differences in SSD controllers - let alone which controller and NAND is used in the drives they sell

[charred pewter]

unless i walked into MicroCenter ...

then i expect them to know what rom version is on the motherboard im holding 😄

[cyan crescent]

I want to get an 8TB sabrent drive for my pc but it’s expensive af.

[dire igloo]

welcome to 8TB NVMe

[cyan crescent]

I know that and i can afford it but ugh.

[dire igloo]

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/internal-hard-drive/#sort=price&xcx=0&A=7680000000000,24000000000000&D=1

[cyan crescent]

I have over $20k saved. So money isnt an issue

[dire igloo]

just go dual 4TB

[cyan crescent]

No.

[charred pewter]

why not 😄

[dire igloo]

US75 is $220 rn

[cyan crescent]

Cuz one slot is already taken up by a 250gb drive i use for just the os.

[dire igloo]

sounds like a you problem then

just clone that over to a 4TB drive and remove it

[cyan crescent]

Its slc i believe or mlc so it will last awhile. Thats why i still use it

[charred pewter]

mb doesnt have 3 slots or more?

[cyan crescent]

Itx

Only 2

[charred pewter]

ooah

[cyan crescent]

Yeah.

[dire igloo]

I doubt we ever had an actual SLC drive
MLC totally possible, iirc 970 Pro was the last one sold with it

[cyan crescent]

Btw, whats the difference between corsair xtm50 and xtm70 thermal paste?

[dire igloo]

that said, it's 250GB and has experienced a lot of writes, so it might be nearing the end of its life

[cyan crescent]

Slc and mlc have a higher endurance than qlc

[dire igloo]

idk. Doesn't really matter anyway, MX4 and MX6 are all you ever need (or Thermalright TF7/TF8)

[dire igloo]

it's still 250GB in OS use

[cyan crescent]

Its not like im downloading games to it

Thats what the second m.2 slot is for

[dire igloo]

and I'm comparing to TLC btw, QLC is still a non-factor for me outside heavily discounted 4TB drives

[dire igloo]

it's an OS drive, it's gonna experience a lot of wear, more than a game drive (pagefile etc)

[cyan crescent]

Thats why its on a slc or mlc(i dont remember which it is)

[dire igloo]

just because it is MORE durable doesn't mean it can't reach the end of its lifespan

you can read out the amount of TBW it had so far

and compare it to the specsheet rating

also, I'm fairly sure it's MLC as I'm yet to see a single SLC NVMe drive

[cyan crescent]

Where can i read it out at?

[cyan crescent]

Fair enough

[dire igloo]

in crystaldiskinfo, Total Host Writes
number is given in hex, convert to decimal, that's the amount of LBAs written
then multiply by LBA size on your drive (iirc 512B usually, not sure)

[cyan crescent]

I like my itx build but might convert back to an atx build at some point

[twin dew]

Also on top right already decoded:

[twin dew]

Top left has % display of how much of the drive determined total writes are still remaining:

Hitting 0% isn't the end, unless the specific drive has intentional firmware bricking at that point.

But says that the manufacturer spec writes have been done.

[orchid verge]

alright my tech friends - in a pickle so can use some advice. my current PC is having some stability problems. whea logger processor core error for fatal hardware error has occurred. happening every other day or so at random times - sometimes its overnight so when i wake up its on login screen etc. specs are 5950x 3090, 128gb ddr4 2666. when it first happened, i put all OC settings back to stock, and the issue is still present. did some reading and its anything from CPU, PSU, GPU etc. doesnt really make sense to just replace one of them and 'hope' it fixes it. so I think im going to just do a new build.

The pickle is do I try and deal with it for a few months and wait for the new zen 5 chips and stay on team red, or do I bite the bullet and go to microcenter today and move to team blue. i want a quiet PC - currently its in another room with an active DP cable / usb line through through the wall. if I can get it quiet enough, ill bring it back into my office.

[twin dew]

WHEA ones are always something that the actual hardware has detected with error-detection or correction codes.
So there is actual hardware fault going on.
Would need to know more about the exact WHEA error to say what is faulting.

[orchid verge]

A fatal hardware error has occurred.

Reported by component: Processor Core
Error Source: Machine Check Exception
Error Type: Bus/Interconnect Error
Processor APIC ID: 0

A fatal hardware error has occurred.

Reported by component: Processor Core
Error Source: Machine Check Exception
Error Type: Cache Hierarchy Error
Processor APIC ID: 30

[twin dew]

That PC should only be able to detect CPU internal errors, or PCIe bus errors.

First one is probably IF error, second is CPU cache error.

That APIC ID tells which CPU core.

Not 1:1 mapping to the Windows cores.

There is hole in the range that isn't used on AMD CPUs.

[tough owl]

completely unrelated question? why are you only running your ram at 2666 not 3200?

[pure karma]

stability probably

because he has 128gb of ram

[twin dew]

Because 4x 2R stick, and 2666 is the official max for that on that CPU.

[orchid verge]

yep

[tough owl]

☹️

amd why did you do this

[twin dew]

Lowering max RAM clocks with more sticks and more ranks has always been a thing?

That 3200/3200/2933/2666 is pretty benign one.

[orchid verge]

its also a day 1 5950x pc so nov 2020 age

[tough owl]

I thought amd by then on the 5950x had a more robust mem controller

[twin dew]

No, 3000 and 5000 series use the exact same IOD.

Only the CCDs got changed.

[tough owl]

if you had 2x64 would you be able to run them at 3200?

[twin dew]

The CPU IMC spec would be that 3200 for 1x 1R or 2R per channel.

But 64GB DDR4 sticks don't exist AFAIK.

Or might exist now, but didn't for long.

[orchid verge]

its 4 32s atm

[tough owl]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rPpzK8/kingston-server-premier-64-gb-1-x-64-gb-registered-ddr4-3200-cl22-memory-ksm32rd464mfr

[twin dew]

Registered.

Doesn't work with AM4.

[tough owl]

yea but they exist

[twin dew]

RDIMM, not UDIMM.

RDIMMs can be 4-rank per DIMM.

And that one is.

[tough owl]

whats the max size for ddr5 again for normal desktop use?

[twin dew]

So with same chips that max at 32GB 2R stick on UDIMM, 4R UDIMM can do 64GB.

[twin dew]

96GB sticks available, so 192GB with crap speeds.

[tough owl]

4800?

[twin dew]

3600MT/s official for AMD, compared to 4800MT/s for single DIMM per channel.

[tough owl]

and loosy goosey timings?

[twin dew]

3600MT/s @ JEDEC.

[tough owl]

at ddr5 speeds?

thats awful

[twin dew]

And the official for 1-dimm per channel is that 4800MT/s @ JEDEC.

Intel has that same speed as the max for 13th and 14th gen with 2 DIMMs per channel.

Intel just hides the details into specific document.
The speed on the ARK is for 1DPC on 2 slot MB.
4-slot MB drops the max.

So the official specs for Intel 13th and 14th gen CPUs on 4-slot MBs are same or lower as the AMD official specs.

But Intel just markets that 2-slot MB number.

[twin dew]

But anyways, CPU detecting errors in CCD <-> IOD communications, and at least in the internal workings of one core.
And when you get uncorrected error, the computer will reboot by default.

Without BSOD or notification to Windows.
Can change in AGESA options.

[orchid verge]

i think im going to go for a new build and then use the existing one and convert it to a home server - that way i dont have to worry too much about it if it keeps having stability issues. so for a new build, should I move to AM5 or switch back to intel?

[pure karma]

if you want it quiet AMD

[tough owl]

💀

[twin dew]

The core could probably be stabilized by giving positive curve optimizer.
Or even just with updating the MB BIOS to latest version.

IF might need lowering it to the stock, as the MB might be automatically overclocking it.

[tough owl]

amd did release 9000 ryzen, its slated for release end of july

[tough owl]

oh yea amd had an aneurism when it came to naming this year

[twin dew]

But Zen5 is soon here.
Intel is also new CPU generation coming for desktop too.

[orchid verge]

so thats the rub - if i move to AM5, i should wait till the 9000 comes. then there is the wait of assuming i can actually get one on release.

or i go intel and go for the 14900

[tough owl]

I dont think you should have issues shooting for a 9950x or 9900x

[orchid verge]

well the issue is more i run the risk of this machine continuing its issue when i need it for work lol

[twin dew]

Like I said, try giving it +5 or +10 curve optimizer.
And check the current IF/FCLK frequency.

[pure karma]

well if one warning was cpu cach and the other was a cpu core is it safe to bet a CPU replacement would do the job or are there too many factor at play there

[twin dew]

And that one is marked as CPU Core too, so might be again core internal, not the IF.

[pure karma]

out of curiosity can you still wipe a drive in command prompt if it has a OS on it?

[twin dew]

Usually at least partly, until the OS possibly crashes.

[pure karma]

no but i mean if i run off a difrent os drive and try and clear a other os drive will the os drive im not running off of actively clear properly or will it just not clear

[twin dew]

Yes?
Because at that point it is just another partition that isn't in use.

Or whole drive.
Only possible problem point is if the ESP/EFI partition is only on that drive.
And the OS installation for the other OS didn't create one on the drive it is.

[pure karma]

allright cool if it actually works its probably gonna save me like a good hour of manually deleting everything

[twin dew]

And even then the problem is just if you also clear the EFI partition or remove the whole drive.

Not if you delete or clear the OS partition.

If the new OS isn't installed yet, having the old drive not connected or otherwise disabled at HW/BIOS level will prevent the new OS from using the old EFI partition.

[tough owl]

sudo rm -rf /* my beloved

[soft bloom]

looks like Telegram is down worldwide

[wanton orchid]

do agesa am5 have ecc options now ?

[twin dew]

Had the ECC Enable and that has worked as long as I have had AM5.
But no other settings for ECC so far.

So no tuning the ECC, and no ECC error reporting for RAM so far.

So the errors get fixed, but aren't reported.

This is purely for RAM.
For the same CPU core inside ECC errors in cache etc. the reporting has worked on AM5.

But no IF and RAM ECC error reporting, just silent correction and reboot on uncorrected error.

[maiden coyote]

I keep getting log4j warnings coming from a lenovo tablet. This happens every couple of days, and it's always a large >300MB upload

[twin dew]

To AWS, so no idea to who.

[maiden coyote]

That part gets blocked. I'll try to see what dns queries it's made on pihole later. I don't use the tablet for anything except a cheap unifi protect display for a couple of my cameras

[twin dew]

Seems to be equipped with telemetry by default with constant prompts if that is disabled.

Try disabling the "Tablet Center"?

Cannot probably be uninstalled, only disabled.

[maiden coyote]

It might be and I can try to disable that. I don't think it's actually malicious just annoying when it sets my phone off in the middle of the night

[twin dew]

The question is: does that app actually do anything useful.
Seems to be pretty useless app with adware-features for most of the time.

If it doesn't, disabling it doesn't come with downsides.

And you can try to find that telemetry setting and set that to disabled.

[maiden coyote]

Yeah. I hate how they do that with pretty much everything you buy now.

I've got pihole setup on that network, but it's just the default settings. I loaded the pihole on my trusted network up with a block list of malicious domains to see how that works out. I've had adblocking disabled on it because it broke "sponsored results" on Google.

[midnight osprey]

hey guys, if I wanted to get into competitive gaming, like shooters, would these ping and jitter values be good?

I do not know what are acceptible and how low these can go

I: have been shot many times in the past by people I never even saw even though they where apparently in front of me, lol

[twin dew]

That upload has significant buffer bloat.
But as games don't really use much bandwidth, that will not happen in that if there isn't some very fast uploads ongoing at same time.

[midnight osprey]

🤔

I have been thinking about getting back into twitch streaming

so I would be uploading

[twin dew]

But not at 800Mb/s.

The buffer bloat happens when the router cannot keep up with the upload demand.

[midnight osprey]

speeds are crazy these days

[charred pewter]

yeah, i stream'd while fps'ing and it really doesnt hurt ... especially at todays bandwidths

[midnight osprey]

these new speeds cost me half what my previous ISP charged me too, lol

[charred pewter]

the most negative streaming has, is chewing a few FPS out of the game depending on your rig 😉

[midnight osprey]

yeah

I play at 3440

[charred pewter]

its funny how that goes 😄 i went from DSL 30/3 costing me $60/mo ... to Fiber 600/600 costing me $60/mo

[midnight osprey]

thats quite the upgrade

[charred pewter]

youre tellin me! i can actually UPLOAD stuff now LOL

[midnight osprey]

I went from 900/100 <<< dumb to 1000/900

in between my ISP's I had to rely on mobile data for a while

that was a pain in the ass ... cos it was taking my PC ages to connect to my hotspot

some of my games recommend high settings in 1080p when my system can easily handle full resolution

[charred pewter]

im blessed with crappy eyes so i dont need anything over 1440p

[midnight osprey]

mine is 1440 too ... but also ultra wide

[charred pewter]

2560x1440 is what i got

[midnight osprey]

cool

[charred pewter]

ive not gotten into the ultra wide scene,

[midnight osprey]

mine is for game dev

needed more screen real estate

[charred pewter]

yeah, more games need proper support for it, and not just a footnote

[midnight osprey]

indeed

[charred pewter]

'fisheye' cause its not done right, makes me ill while gaming 😄

[midnight osprey]

games that give me black vertical borders 🤮

[charred pewter]

ha

honestly i would rather a fully 'square' screen, than a wider screen ... cause i feel so visually constricted what is up and down

yes, this is how i like to play games .......

/s

[midnight osprey]

😄

[charred pewter]

was funny when widescreen tvs came about, i was like .. guh, they are chopping the head and foot off everything to show this 'wide' ...

and then some did pilar box ... so nothing got chopped, but it was now so tiny because the verticle height of the tv wasnt as tall as the old square-ish tv

"how is any of this better?!" lol

[midnight osprey]

lol

more natural to life, right?

we can see much more to the sides than top to bottom

[charred pewter]

they should come out with 'orb tv' ... its a oval, which matches the eyesocket ...

i cant, i got a nose in my way

[midnight osprey]

lol

one of the many things we do not see unless we are focusing on it

[charred pewter]

hehehe

seeing is worse for those of us with glasses anyways ... cause trying to look more right/left/up/down it just gets more distorted and then eventually nothing if you pass the boundry of the rim

[midnight osprey]

oooh, my game can look better with glasses ... still fairly new to wearing them

HD+ ... here we go!

this is my perspective

[dire igloo]

looks like Rage 2

[dire igloo]

looks awful, I'd much rather play like this

[dire igloo]

the point of wide is not to take away on top and bottom, it's to add left and right

[charred pewter]

didnt mean to trigger you, i was joking around

[midnight osprey]

it is m8 ... really in the mood for some pew pew

[small slate]

Finished upgrading my gear to get ready for 1.0 My latest video series was tanking my old i9-9900K system, should be good to go now to build the largest factory's I have done to date.:

Intel Core i7-14700K
Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX
64 GB G.Skill 6000MHz CL30 Ram
2TB WD SN850x M.2 Drive
Corsiar H100i 240 Cooler
Gigabyte RTX 4070 Super 12GB Graphics
Seasonic GX850 PSU
Corsair 3000D Chassis

[charred pewter]

purrrrrpl

[small slate]

[dire igloo]

Love the 3d printed D20

If I may ask, why 14700K over 7800X3D/7950X3D?
From what I know, Satisfactory loves the extra cache

[edgy hazel]

that ain't printed

that's waaaayyy to clear without any lines or artifacts

[dire igloo]

Then my second assumption, it's a lamp with LEDs in the socket

[dire igloo]

Yeah, thought maybe resin print

[edgy hazel]

resin would be doable, but still difficult at that size

[charred pewter]

could make one of those out of clay, the plast cast it, and then pour epoxy (bond-50) ... then drill some holes for LEDs... frost it up as a surface application ......

[small slate]

I've worked in IT for 26 years and I have had some challenges dealing with AMD Bios issues, driver issues, stability issues, that do eventually work themselves out, but I get limited time to game so I want reliability to be a key component of my build.

[edgy hazel]

that's old

[charred pewter]

old school 3d printing 😉

[dire igloo]

Ah, so predisposition

[small slate]

The D 20 is resin, however I belive it is molded. I found it at a local thrift store the base is USB LED lit

[twin dew]

And you would need to check if that CPU is stable at the MB defaults, if Gigabyte hasn't released real fix BIOS yet.

Because now it is Intel MBs that aren't stable at MB stock 🤣

[edgy hazel]

yeah it kinda switched lol

[small slate]

The instability has only been with the i9-13900K and 14900K not hte i7 series

[twin dew]

No.

13700K:s and 14700K:s are affected on about 10-20% level, when 900:s are 30+%

[charred pewter]

i lucked out with my MSI board 😄

[twin dew]

And even lower levels might be, just in so small numbers it isn't making news.
Because the reason isn't the power, but MB makers undervolting the CPUs with AC loadline being too low.

Just that that kind of bad tune makes the undervolting worse the more amperage there is going on.

So the highest power and highest voltage CPUs are hit hardest.

[charred pewter]

that what they used to call 'vdroop' ?

[small slate]

I've had pertty reasonable results with the Gigabyte boards.

[twin dew]

ASUS got the actually fixed BIOS versions out just before the change of month.
No idea if Gigabyte has fixed versions out yet.

Their first fix attempt was to bad they had to recall the BIOS versions.

[small slate]

there was a new bios for my board that is about a week old

[twin dew]

Yes, that 2024-06-06 BIOS contains the fixes.

F12d.

Introduce the "Intel Default Settings" and enabled as default, user needs to disable it first to use GIGABYTE PerfDrive profiles

[charred pewter]

i actually dont want to touch my bios version if msi has a new one ... cause ... like .......... its fiiiiine

[twin dew]

Plays into it.
Those AC and DC loadline values in mOhms are supposed to be what the actual resistance of the traces and socket is between the VRM output and the CPU.
In all the MBs, the DC one was correct, but the AC one was often 1/2 to 1/3 of the DC one.

Then there is the vdroop behavior on top.

The vdroop is intentional, that too low AC loadline was extra undervolting.

[charred pewter]

oof

[small slate]

I'm actually fairly please with the upgrade Gigabyte Control Centre... The RGB controlls are very intuitive and seem pretty solid. I have been able to control everthing off my motherboard and my razor products sync with aorus seemlessly

[twin dew]

Because if the DC was wrong, the power measurements didn't work right.
With AC being too low the CPU got undervolted depending on power usage.

Which made performance better and CPU run cooler, but caused large percentage to be unstable in specific loads.

Also lot of other shenanigans to make the CPUs work somewhat with the fucked up settings, like disabling safety features etc.

Like one that detects undervoltage situations and throttles the CPU for that duration to keep it stable.

[charred pewter]

sounds like a nice clusterfuck

[twin dew]

Both ASUS and Gigabyte were at least disabling that one.

Because the AC loadline shenanigans were causing it to trigger constantly and the performance was crap because of that.

[charred pewter]

🤔

[sharp oasis]

I had a discussion with someone and they brought up that turbine engines for have good response. Yet it's used in the Abrams and responds well to throttle.

I proposed the idea of a turbine hybrid electric to combine the effeicnecy and flexibility of turbine engines and a hybrid car.

[twin dew]

Nope?
Turbines don't work at all below about 60% max.
And are very slow to react below 80% or so.

[sharp oasis]

Ahh

[twin dew]

They just give lot of power for the size.

[sharp oasis]

So it's constantly alot of power

[twin dew]

Abrams just guzzles gas when even just idle compared to any other tank.

[sharp oasis]

So using the turbine as a generator is better then mechanical drive

[twin dew]

When it just needs to power the electrical systems.

Yes.

[sharp oasis]

So hybrid electric would be better for a turbine engine

Tho how bad would it be

As it would be a relatively small turbine

[twin dew]

And lets just say that turbines are maintenance nightmare longterm.
The turbine blades erode, both before and after the combustion chamber.

[sharp oasis]

Yeee

They breakdown less but need to be maintained more

And I'm assuming there's no way to stop the blade erosion

[twin dew]

There is a reason why no-one else uses one for military vehicle besides Abrams.
Which was made in time that you couldn't get diesel engine that fullfilled the power requirements.

Now you can get diesel that would fit into the same space and would generate the same power.

[sharp oasis]

Or more power

[twin dew]

Happens even from just air molecules hitting the blade leading edges.
And if there is anything harder, much faster.

And with the amount of air flowing through, any filter needs to be absolutely huge.

[sharp oasis]

Yeee

So not viable sadly

[twin dew]

Not worth it over just simple generator type internal combustion engine for range extender.

[sharp oasis]

Iirc the only reason they keep turbines in Abrams is sound

[twin dew]

Turbines have their places, but consumer ground vehicles really isn't it.

[sharp oasis]

Something something turbine produces higher pitched sound that dissipates faster

Making the Abrams a bit harder to be heard from a distance

VS conventional diesel

To what effect

I do not know

[twin dew]

And just inertia.
Replacing all the engine packs would cost shit-ton for not that much benefit.

[sharp oasis]

That too

[twin dew]

When the system has been already built to deal with the turbine-specific issues.

And now there is APU diesel generator available for "just for electrics" part.

Not universally installed in the fleet.

[sharp oasis]

I do suppose biodiesel might take off for like more industrial applications.

Iirc it's still more expensive and needs an engine tune to work with out issue

I kinda could see turbines powering like a bull doser or train but conventional diesel does that rn and well

[twin dew]

And you don't really have to care about the extra size or weight in those.

Warships often have both.
Turbines for high speeds, conventional for APU and very slow speeds.

Aircraft "have" to use turbines for the weight reasons except very small planes and helicopters.

[sharp oasis]

Say you put a turbine in a train

How long would it probably be able to run before needing servicing

Few thousand hours at least?

[twin dew]

Aircraft turbine overhaul time is usually between 5000-30000 hours IIRC.
But much of that is spent high, so not lot of dust etc. causing erosion, just air itself.

[sharp oasis]

I mean train could probably could equip a filter

But it would have to be huge

[twin dew]

And remember that car turbos are simple turbines, just without their own combustion chamber.
Using the main engine as that.

AFAIK you still need to expect turbo failures after 150k km or so.

[sharp oasis]

Yeah

[twin dew]

Mostly from the bearings AFAIK.
The erosion just lowers the efficiency to certain point.
And the single-stage centrifugal impellers are less affected by that, as the geometry isn't as important and there is more material.

And the hot (exhaust) side is much cooler.

[dire igloo]

From what I know, mainboard manufacturer RGB software is considered bloat.
To achieve that purpose, OpenRGB and SignalRGB are the recommended ways to go

[twin dew]

Or the Windows 11 now included support?

[dire igloo]

Still don't know how or even if that one works

[twin dew]

Ah, they aren't trying to support the manufacturer "standards", but made a new standard that needs to be supported by the manufacturers.
Which actually seems to be coming and some do already support it.
learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/component-guidelines/dynamic-lighting-devices

The base setting options with API for external apps to control.

And from the name, it is mostly intended for peripherial lights, not case and MB lights.

The "HID LampArray" name I mean.

[twin dew]

Also, this meant RPM, not power.
So the fuel usage and power generation isn't directly related to the RPM.
But mainly means that the idle needs significantly more fuel.

And that even the idle is loud.

Because the airflow etc. are directly related to the RPM.

Just that at low power, high RPM you inject less fuel and get less temperature rise.

[tribal kraken]

One advantege of turbine engines are that they can run wide variety of fuels with minimal modification

[twin dew]

Needs to be lubricating enough (or add extra lubricating agent) and need to tune the fuel controller to know right ratio.

[languid gulch]

true, but a lot of that is mainly efficiency. so long as you keep it above ignition but below stoich, it'll run

[slate beacon]

Hey there, does anyone know the performance difference between 5600G and 5700X3D on satisfactory on relatively large factory?

planned to buy one and run it with RX6600XT

it that good?

I don't really play other games, too busy with school

Also on limited budget

[twin dew]

Very big.
As the 5600G only has 16MB of cache and not even the "normal" 32MB, and Satisfactory just loves cache.
To level that 5800X3D gets 75-100% more performance than 5600X IIRC.

[jagged snow]

That sounds right to me

[twin dew]

So even larger difference between the cache-starved APU chip.

[slate beacon]

jeez, that big

thank you

been searching for an answer for days now

[charred pewter]

shouldve asked AI, it would have been half right

[sage pier]

Does anyone know how to setup sar? Or synchronous audio router?

[slate beacon]

Nope. Not even half right

[charred pewter]

LOL

i stand corrected 😉

[twin dew]

The third paragraph is complete shit, as the "AI" doesn't know what Satisfactory is.

[slate beacon]

Exactly.

[twin dew]

Just that the most common answer when asked about CPU for any game is "doesn't really matter".

[slate beacon]

Why is it like that tho? Doesn't it scrape the internet for information?

[twin dew]

No.

Machine Model is fed lot of data (scraped from internet), and then it distilles it to most common word paths.

For "AI" like ChatGPT.

And after the distilling is done, the original full information isn't used anymore.

[slate beacon]

That's useless then... I need those information

[twin dew]

They don't know anything, just what words most commonly follow what in somewhat context sensitive way.

Language models, not information or like.

And anything newer than the moment the training data was collected doesn't exist etc.

[slate beacon]

I see how it useful for some but not for me I guess?

[twin dew]

Current AI is mostly hype still.
And dangerous if someone trusts the output as is.

[slate beacon]

Can't argue with that

Sure, some result are good but generally you should just avoid it entirely, for now at least

[maiden coyote]

I feel half smart.. I got my samba share reachable on the "internet" but it's read only.

I figured it would be.. I kind of stumbled when trying to set permissions to the directory... and apparently I screwed up the users too, because it's read access to the whole drive from a single user. they're supposed to be seperate. well.. crap

[dire igloo]

What people thought the dangers of AI would be:
It becoming sentient and starting a war against humanity

What the dangers of AI actually are:
Half-assed unripe information that's blindly taken for granted

[charred pewter]

"Half-assed unripe information that's blindly taken for granted" ... "which results in wars and the downfall of humanity" 😄

either way ... same result lol

[edgy hazel]

what are you doing

[visual tree]

Copying an image but discord is being weird...

Ok, image posting is definitely broken on discord android

[charred pewter]

geezus ... the gif picker is stupid when trying in 'broken image'

wish it had filters like "no romantic bullshit, when do i ever post romantic bullshit"

and what the fuck does any of those have to do with "broken image" ...

THANK you google:

[visual tree]

https://www.reddit.com/r/discordapp/comments/1cxqy93/pasted_images_on_discord_android_are_appearing_as/

Guess that explains my problem

[charred pewter]

least its not as bad as pasting images in Slack

literally the way it makes previews of MOST pasted images:

heres another fine example

so hard to discuss things at work when we cant even copy/paste random things to each other about what we are discussing LOL

[visual tree]

We use ms teams at work to chit chat with other coworkers like we are using whatsapp

Hope we are not being monitored 😅

[edgy hazel]

OH NO

I hope you have no UK people

we had to pull all messages from teams mentioning an ex-employee by name or nicknames or anything relating to them to hand over to their lawyer

[visual tree]

We don't talk about sensitive stuff through MS teams though. If we are going to comment for example about some employee's bad behaviour, we talk about it in private

[edgy hazel]

yeah you better because exactly that stuff gets pulled

[visual tree]

Good thing we have quiet rooms on each floor so we can have private conversations on phone without someone eavesdropping

[charred pewter]

if you pay slack more, you can see what all people are saying about you behind your back

when the prior boss owned the slack server we used, we had to hold our tongues in chat

[visual tree]

Glassdoor recently somehow revealed identities of anonymous posters who talked good or bad about some company

https://www.reddit.com/r/recruitinghell/comments/1bjnbxe/glassdoor_is_no_longer_anonymous/

Apparently, the real names are for "internal use" but you never know what Glassdoor might do with that information....

[charred pewter]

its like trying to find information on a person who gives you a 1-star review on trustpilot

you can 'request full information, or your review will be taken down' LOL

its a good way to swat trolls

[visual tree]

My former employer marked every bad review on google as "conflict of interest" in order to get it removed lol

[charred pewter]

haha ... we flagged some as "not genuine experience"

[visual tree]

What's funny is that according to Google terms, current or past employees are not allowed to post a review even if it's good. Wonder why he didn't report his coworker then....

[charred pewter]

hahahaha .... sposed to use a vpn and make fake accounts!

we get like five people a week asking if we want to buy their review bot services to pad our reviews like 'your comptetitors, such-n-such-list' ... its funny

1. We dont buy reviews, 2) We dont share customer information to get reviews

when trust-pilot switched to a 'you have to dump your customer information in order to use our widgets' ... we basically gave up on that

if we cant use a basic widget which people can click to leave a review OF THEIR OWN ACCORD ... then we aint interested in you

[visual tree]

Here, there is a well-known company which offers other companies a good credit score if they pay around €300

If you refuse their service, they will give your company bad credit score lol

[charred pewter]

lol

we make you look good, or not

[visual tree]

And to make things even worse, it's one of the most popular websites here where people check for company credit rating....

[charred pewter]

sheesh

its ... yeah ... thats crazy. 'pay us not to smear your good name, kthxbai'

[visual tree]

My local gas utility company might go bankrupt soon but they proudly wear a badge on their website they got by paying that company I mentioned

The badge says they have highest credit score even though everyone knows they have financial isssues lol

[charred pewter]

lol

its about how i regard thse stores that plaster the giant TrustPilot score on their header .... like .. to me it reads: "We have 100,000 positive reviews! (that we paid for and swindled, and shared all our customer information to them to get)"

if you leave it up to customers... all you end up with is all the negative reviews because people who are happy rarely go out of their way to say so... but someone who was wronged will definitely say so to others

so you have to wonder about someone who has so many glowing positive reviews lol

[coarse dragon]

5 Stars, sus, 4.9, sus, 4-4.8 Eh, maybe, anything above 4 stars with less than 5k reviews, sus.
That's my hierarchy

[charred pewter]

heh, we fall in the 'above 4 stars with less than 5k reviews'

it takes forever for reviews to trickle in

unless you are a suck company who just piss people off left and right

[coarse dragon]

I should prob clarify, I use this mostly for Amazon listings.
Even then I don't follow it religiously bc of listing swaps (Having an actual good product, then editing the product page to a bad/scam product)

[charred pewter]

ah, i get annoyed with the 'product swap' bs ...

oh has 14,000 reviews! i look and people are talking about something else entirely wtf

[coarse dragon]

"Look at this cheap high capacity SSD- Wait why tf are half the reviews talking about clothes"

[charred pewter]

i do a hard pass on those products

[coarse dragon]

^

[charred pewter]

yeah, exactly 😄 cause the moment theres 2 reviews about something else, then you cant trust ANY reviews in the pool or the score...

[coarse dragon]

I'm convinced the best way to avoid scams is to learn about them, then let pattern seeking genes do the rest.
Scammers have a funny habit of being unoriginal and following a nearly copy paste script to get you

[charred pewter]

"if it works, why change"

"who falls for this shit?! .... apparently enough because the scams keep existing!"

[coarse dragon]

How any scam lasts more than 12 months is beyond me, at least in communities not filled with the elderly or 100% stupid

[charred pewter]

isnt the trapped prince scam still going around?? LOL

[coarse dragon]

I honestly can never tell if that one is a joke or a real scam anymore
Seems like half the time it's used as a metaphor for scams and the other half is real

[charred pewter]

exactly

[sage pier]

2nd time my FIBER internet has gone out in 3 months

[charred pewter]

suck

[visual tree]

2 times in 3 months is actually awesome compared to copper lol

Speaking of 5G, didn't know my city is covered with mid-band 5G network

I thought everyone offered "fake" 5G over low-band

Although "mid-band" can be considered fake band too and true 5G is high-band only imo

[pure karma]

yea i was gonna say even 2 in 3 months isent teribble

its not great but if they are short downtimes then its kinda just whatever

[sharp oasis]

Lmao synced 3933mhz ram beats unsycned 4333mhz ram in all faces. Bandwith and latency lmao

Buh I thought the more ram frequency would at least max our the flck bandwith

Not actually use less bandwith

3933mhz is at 58.7gb/s VS 4333 at 49.1gb/s

[tough owl]

Rosetta 2 now supports avx2

[wanton orchid]

avx2?

after all these years

I would have went for avx512 directly

[sharp oasis]

@jagged snow i like how 4c ambient temp is the difference from stable and unstable for my cpu