off-topic-tech

[jagged snow]

Because if you're planning to keep the 1660s you're far better off buying a used last gen chip

[winter path]

I was originally looking at a 5 5500

[obtuse geyser]

I would suggest used am3 MB+cpu combo. 3600 would be ok.

[winter path]

But what about future proofing for when I upgrade gpu?

[twin dew]

You mean AM4 ?)

[obtuse geyser]

oh right, am4, forgot which generation we have.

[obtuse geyser]

If you want to future-proof, you are probably looking at am5 and the ridiculously priced mb

[jagged snow]

Will you upgrade the gpu within a year or two? If you can't say you will for sure, you'd probably be looking to upgrade platforms again anyways

[winter path]

So for now would the 5 5500 be sufficient?

[winter path]

With msi b550-a pro

[jagged snow]

I'd go with the 5600 non-x at least

[winter path]

Ok, that was my plan anyways, thank you both

[obtuse geyser]

case cooling question - remove bracket fins below gpu to let the air leave case through the back, yay or nay?
They currently in, max gpu was 85C.

[jagged snow]

It can't hurt

especially if you just have the two fans in the front

[obtuse geyser]

In that case, I have to take the find out, cut them and put the stumps in, because that support bracket expects fins to be in place to screw on top of them. Fins are plastic, so no prob.
Btw, how about installing that support bracket upside down? Only one fin to cut in that position, and less trouble screwing all in around gpu.

Eww, coil whine.
I thought that era was over.
My 5700XT didn't have coil whine. Or maybe fans were so loud I could not hear it

[mental oriole]

[charred pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/ateam-hannibal-gif-24291863

[jagged snow]

Max, do you live in a city?

Do you have any idea the sheer volume of bird habitat that is destroyed or disrupted by a single city and it's associated infrastructure?

[edgy hazel]

or cats

[twin dew]

And how many have actually been killed?
vs. just flown away?

Those lawsuits are done by people who don't live anywhere near the launch site...

No?
As there is stoppage during that time IIRC.

Cape Canaveral / Kennedy Space Center is in same way situated in a place that is bird paradise most of the time with protected wetlands all around.

And almost no-one cares now with SpaceX, just some crackpots from around the country doing nuisance lawsuits etc.
They haven't been able to find anyone anywhere local (50km range?) to be a mouthpiece still AFAIK.

[jagged snow]

That's my understanding as well

Mostly just lawsuits after money from a company with a lot of public visibility and some controversy

[twin dew]

It doesn't.
Just announcement for current weather rocket site with no actual substance behind it.

The straight up and down to near space kind that have been launched there since ages ago.

France could still lease the site from the new local government if they were open for it.

Main Russian launch site isn't in Russia, it is in Kazakhstan.
And after Soviet Union fell they have had to lease it.

[gilded helm]

And Kazakh-Russia relations aren't at an all time high at the moment.

[twin dew]

Russia does have polar launch site in active use in Russia itself.
And they have that notional new launch site on Pacific coast, but that isn't really active, and they cannot launch to ISS for example from there, too north.

ISS is on orbit that matches Baikonur in latitude.

[gilded helm]

The launch site they're building near their border with China isn't going to end well, China will probably end up owning it.

[twin dew]

Not really meant to be used, just throwing money to get more leverage in negotiations about Baikonur leases.

Trying to make it seem like they have options beside continuing the Baikonur leases.

[tough owl]

all bark no bite

[gilded helm]

Russia's space budget is probably gutted for the time being, so I don't know how well Russia will be able to bargain.

[tough owl]

does russia even have a space budget anymore, i havent heard them doing anything as of recent

[twin dew]

Kazakhstan doesn't have much use for Baikonur either if Russia isn't leasing it.

[gilded helm]

It's hard to know what Kazakhs might be thinking about Russia.

[twin dew]

Not much of a budget, which is causing major production and operational issues.
Lot of PR about new revolutionary project that never actually get started.
And some "new" rockets and rocket variants that have been 30 years in development and finally maybe getting to fly.

[tough owl]

30 year newold rockets should be fun

[gilded helm]

I think most likely Russia's neighbors are going to turn to China and/or India.

[tough owl]

i mean some countries do

[tough owl]

yes thank you

[charred pewter]

anal throbber ??

[edgy hazel]

F5 makes my firefox throb annular

[tough owl]

wccftech.com/nvidia-is-now-bigger-than-the-capitalization-of-the-entire-german-stock-market-the-gdps-of-canada-and-russia/

I cant wait for nvidias market cap to pop

in hindsite im glad nvidia was not able to acquire arm

[mental oriole]

I hate it when that happens 🤣

[sharp oasis]

That's what I read

I'm gonna love it when Nvidia market cap finally pops

[charred pewter]

why

i have stock in nvidia, i want them to take over the world! 😄

[sharp oasis]

Cheap gpus

[charred pewter]

stock holders are the true unsung heroes in ruining all good things damnit!

[obtuse geyser]

Dumb question: Does Rx 7900 GRE + 5800X3D need pci-ex 4.0 or is 3.0 fine?

[charred pewter]

LOL gog

[jagged snow]

4.0 is better but you'd notice the effect more on your drive than your gpu

[charred pewter]

its just funny, my stock advisory auto-picks various tech stocks in my portfolio, and i noticed they put a chunk into nvidia and i had to laugh a little ...

if only on gog, must be a suck game 😉

i r trolz u

[obtuse geyser]

That is true, but also I don't care about the drive reaching advertised 6GB/s

[jagged snow]

7900gre can make good use of pcie4, so I'd reccomend it if possible

[obtuse geyser]

Does it have any perf benefit over 3.0?

[jagged snow]

Yes

[obtuse geyser]

how much / got any benchmarks?

[charred pewter]

adding telsa in there really ... doesnt ... say much ....

[jagged snow]

1-5% in averages and 1% lows

[charred pewter]

"Its more than Microsoft and Popeye Chicken combined!"

[night girder]

Yeah, if you ask 1-2K for a GPU

🎈 🪡 = 😢 📉 💵

Can't wait for it to happen 😄

Then I can finally read other news headlines than "---- company adds AI in ---- software" - So tired of it.

[charred pewter]

my fridge has AI

it tells me when to change the filter... must be AI ...

[night girder]

My sunglasses have AI. It calculates the angle of the sun + UV and adapts to it.

[charred pewter]

my cat has more AI than ten nvidia cards!

[night girder]

and uses less power.

[obtuse geyser]

whats wrong with gas-fired heating?

[charred pewter]

got microplastic in my ... junk

like i would want one of THOSE things 😄

[jagged snow]

I was a kid once, imagine the world without me

[tough owl]

In other news wccftech.com/nvidia-accelerates-gpu-cpu-ai-roadmap-new-chips-launch-each-consecutive-year/

hype train so good they wanna release new generations yearly

[jagged snow]

Like they used to

[tough owl]

What year range did they do that

[sharp oasis]

4200mhz

So far stable in 2:1

Loose as all hell timings and latency penalties

[sharp oasis]

Noooooooooo

[charred pewter]

guru3d is blocked?

hmm: www.guru3d.com/story/microsoft-reportedly-readies-billion-bid-to-acquire-valve-steam/

[jagged snow]

Valve would be crazy to sell and the ftc would be crazy to allow it

[tough owl]

i would cry if this happened

also 16 billion is so low

[sharp oasis]

if valve sells

we live in the worst reality

[wanton orchid]

you feel like joking but a lot of glasses marketing I've seen are close to this
claiming the sunglasses "adapts" go the sun light on the fly

valve in moral way
is currently more worth than Microsoft

they are probably more creative too

"oh but Microsoft develop this and that"
nope they buy these concept then market it to hell and kill everything else if they can

Microsoft is like the solidification of the American marketing scam
I mean all the great American techs are actually supported mostly by European research center and personality

and Japanese one too

and some Chinese one too

but you know America is so great

they only have current market control by means of money chains and monopoly

Japanese industry is slowly learning to do marketing shit
but it can't work so well
because they lack the American's long experience
and people are more aware

i.e Sony please stops this shit

and I hate it but last 60s years France been America's little bitch
French people were too naive
psychologically too fragile government wise if I can say it like that

undercover still trying to recover ww2

at least Germany had no mask to put on

be warned
there is a very big gap between French people and French people

[sharp oasis]

@jagged snow 183w 5800x

I've made mine

Do that

[charred pewter]

lol....

[jagged snow]

That's a lot

[sharp oasis]

88c cpu temp

[wanton orchid]

I run close to that but with 5900x

[sharp oasis]

I'm pulling 190w now

[wanton orchid]

whole ccx more

[sharp oasis]

I had to make my pump curve way more

Aggressive

[wanton orchid]

talking about pump it makes me depressed

[sharp oasis]

There would be no way in hell I'd do this on air cooling

[languid gulch]

it's still fascinating to me that a 5600X running at 75W will get you 80% of that performance

[pure quartz]

does have a clue on why my 2060 is struggling to play anything even on autoset graphics

oh and why discord uses 90 of my gpu when streaming and watching a stream

[jagged snow]

2060 is fairly slow compared to modern cards

[pure quartz]

everything says it should be able to play fortnite for instance on max graphics, but even when i autoset everything i stutter like crazy

[sharp oasis]

Prolly not 80% considering how much more pref I make

[tough owl]

should be using at most 20% according to task manager

[tough owl]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

try the 64bit discord

[pure quartz]

idk how to switch to it lol

[jagged snow]

Download the proper version

[tough owl]

dl.discordapp.net/distro/app/stable/win/x64/1.0.9147/DiscordSetup.exe

[stray badger]

WE HAVE POST BAYBEE

[languid gulch]

blue screen in 3.........

[tough owl]

2

[jagged snow]

1

[stray badger]

No windows installed yet

Will be dualbooting, windows comes first so linux can overwrite all the wrongness of it

[languid gulch]

so you're cheating is what you're saying

[wooden vessel]

does the nvidia driver have thermal reporting? if you are riding against thermal limits it will sometimes rudely throttle you. in the amd world we undervolt the gpu so it burns less heat, idk if that's a thing on the 2060

[stray badger]

Hostname: Citadel

[wooden vessel]

very old video cards, the thermal pads can become toast

[pure quartz]

it stays at around 85c but its not thermal throtteling, i know this because i used to have enough fans in my case and it would hit 100c

its a lowprofile card so it runs a bit warm ofc

[wooden vessel]

i have a 7800xt known for its good thermals and i still "have" to undervolt it, only for theoreticals on furmark, not as a practical matter

does it specifically report a hotspot number because that's what governs throttling

same question for your cpu. have you cleaned your computer, &c

[pure quartz]

the cpu is perfectly fine, it runs cool and isnt being pushed much

[wooden vessel]

what happens with furmark, ferinstance.

[sage pier]

does anyone know how much 3d printing files before they're sliced take up?

[wooden vessel]

idk, it's gotta be something! is there a reason you think it's the 2060 the reason you can't play anything on auto? which game, what res?

[pure quartz]

fortnite, satisfactory, and beam ng drive, at 1080p

fortnite runs at around 70 fps but is stuttery, satisfactory just has a stroke half the time, but runs at like 50-60 fps sometimes drops down to 30

[wooden vessel]

i can't be sure, but you should be able to get at worst 40's in busy factories with that. I can point out some lunatic levels so there's a basis for comparison

eg https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/wiixo5/neodymium_city_1000_hours/

[pure quartz]

its running bad with just a building thats not that complex

[sage pier]

I run my 2060 with fortnite comp settings and get 165 fps consistently. Beamng at normal at around 70-80 fps and spiderman miles morales epic/highest settings at 60-70

never tried satisfactory

[wooden vessel]

can't comment on fn, don't play it, and i don't have a high refresh rate screen. 60 is enough for anybody ("ok boomer")

[pure quartz]

so its ether just my high pc or my 2060 sucks, got it

[pure quartz]

my screen is a old slow 60hz anyway so im not really worried about high fps

[wooden vessel]

what is the pc in question

[pure quartz]

some Frankenstein previous prebuilt, but most of it has been replaced do to the psu exploding, but it has a ryzen 5 2600, 16 gb of ram, and a 2060 (it used to be a radeon rx580 but it got killed)

[wooden vessel]

you basically have to put a 5800x3d in that

[pure quartz]

yeah makes sense, im not gonna touch it because im planning on upgrading to a i7 14700k and a 4080 super system

thats with just a empty world on satis

[wooden vessel]

i don't know what temp #2 means exactly

[pure quartz]

its the hotspot

[sharp oasis]

That's hot

[wooden vessel]

Seems so to me too, are you capped 60 fps at this point or running infinite fps

[pure quartz]

fortnite is capped at 120, satis is infinite

[wooden vessel]

vsync or are you a monster

[pure quartz]

no vsync

it runs better without it for some reason

[wooden vessel]

that's pretty odd

[twin dew]

Current speculative stock market broken, plz fix...

[tough owl]

I can’t wait for it all to come crashing down (we’re screwed as a society)

[sage pier]

wtf

mine only gets to 65c max

[pure quartz]

thats the gpu that i have

[sage pier]

ohh 🤮

I hate one fan models

[wooden vessel]

my main tip on performance is turn shadows to low, this makes a big diff for low end rigs. but your heat seems really high

[pure quartz]

fr

[twin dew]

I don't believe Gabe Newell has any reason to sell, no matter how high the price...

[sage pier]

they always have thermal issues (sometimes)

[pure quartz]

its loud as hell too

[sage pier]

I bet

one fan dissipating all that heat

[twin dew]

As Valve is private, and Gabe should still own over 50% of it.

So the question just becomes, does Gabe Newell want a quick payday or not.

[tough owl]

If it’s a non high performing card then why not

[wooden vessel]

If Valve has 10B of revenue and the offer is 16B... I'd say microsoft needs their heads checked

[pure quartz]

its been pushed hard for years so i most likely need to replace the thermal paste

[tough owl]

I doubt it. Bros living comfy and could probably raise his salary at any point

[wooden vessel]

yeah, take good precautions. i killed an 6800xt with a bungled paste job. i still don't know what i did wrong

[pure quartz]

ive never done it before so hopefuly it goes fine, i have disasembled a gpu before though so i know how to do that safely

[wooden vessel]

the pads when i took it off were crumbling dry

[twin dew]

@tough owl Which was the point of this first line.

[tough owl]

I’m aware

[twin dew]

Sorry

[tough owl]

Realistically if Microsoft wants to be as popular as steam is for a desktop marketplace you should make gamepass less buggy and less reliant on uwp or fix uwp and maybe stop closing down good game studios

And or do what epics doing and charging less of a platform fee

[sage pier]

the only reason I have epic games is

1. fortnite
2. the banger free games

their software feels so clunky even though it isn't its like a visual ui kinda feeling

its all boxes

[twin dew]

Well, the Epic Game Store runs as two full Unreal Engine instances 🤣

Just to draw 2D store UI etc.

[sage pier]

really?

so what you're saying is theoretically the epic games store is more intensive than fortnite?

[twin dew]

Just quick example, but if you check the files under the Epic Games install, it is Unreal Engine product.

[sage pier]

I would have switched to legendary by now but idk if it has the free games available

and idk if mythic is a worthwhile extension?

doesn't sound like it does much and has memory leaks

[tough owl]

heroic games launcher 🙂

Actually good epic alternate

[sharp oasis]

I can never get UE4/5 to run stable on my pc

No matter what

It has some issue here or there

Where it cripples my system to a halt

[gilded helm]

Heroic couldn't save me from still buying Satis on Steam. It would neither stay logged into Epic, nor remember the password.

[sharp oasis]

My 6700XT is trying so hard rn

[twin dew]

Have you tried with any CPU OC/UV disabled?

Same for RAM

[sharp oasis]

Ye

No help

[wanton orchid]

bro, same with 480 here
fan died
maybe I was too tired idk
but it was very frustrating

[sand saddle]

Legendary and rare on github

[wanton orchid]

but legendary dont make you able to redeem free though ?

heroic does

isnt heroic an app wrapping around legendary basically ?

[twin dew]

Ready for now.
And I didn't know about any of the Valheim base meta when I started.
Just went with history.

Need to slope the outside edges of the moat later.

Temporary spawn blocker in the middle of the base.

But stopping the Valheim spam now.

[jagged snow]

I'll send you a screenshot when I'm done with this net install if nobody else gets to it first

[charred pewter]

its the shader cache hiccups 🤣

[eager orchid]

brave is fine, but its chromium based

id use firefox, it that thing crashes on me daily

[sage pier]

waterfox

[eager orchid]

its not THAT big of a deal at the end of the day to still use chromium based stuff

if FF doesnt work

[tough owl]

Firefox never crashes on me unless I do something really dumb to it

[eager orchid]

i use discord in the browser

that crashes firefox like 3 times a day

[tough owl]

But why

[eager orchid]

no idea if discord itself fucked it up or FF

idk i just want to have it in the browser, i dont want the application

[tough owl]

The client sucks I know but web version sucks more

[eager orchid]

it does what i need it to, at least when im not on firefox

[sage pier]

idk if they did something but now I'm downloading at 70 MB/s

[soft bloom]

Why is "suspended" state called so if it draws almost quarter (22W) of operating power (94W) ?

[twin dew]

For what?

The whole computer in suspended state, almost off?
22W would say you have "bad" PSU which needs that high load to work, so it just wastes power to keep to at least that if needed.

[wanton orchid]

to get to your wanted behavior can be a bit of fiddling with advanced settings, but you can easily access these
Firefox have been more stable for me so far (not more performant, not more feature full, but at least it's doing its job consistently even across updates)

Firefox advanced settings are commandline settings alike
it's basically a token list with literal settings, a bit like windows register

Chromium prefer hiding its shit behind convoluted "smart" crap

my most hated regression so far at Firefox :
now bookmarks can't be opened in new tab without focusing them, even when right-clicking

they should either add a token for that or make it respect the common new tab focus token

it's not that much slower right now
especially on last gen Hardware (more single thread performance)

Chrome performance relies heavily on threading things to death even if that mean being less efficient

it's all focused like if chrome was the only thing running on your computer

[soft bloom]

Would be expected power draw of such state?

[twin dew]

In sleep mode desktop computers vary from about 2W to 30W.

As in modern ones with good PSU and with normal settings, without ErP on often use that 2-3W while sleeping, and then with misconfigurations or PSU that cannot work at low loads will have 10-30W.

When measured at the wall.

[wanton orchid]

on some website there are C6 PSU support listing
which is nice

(C6 being the lower power state of the computer, basically means PSU expect it, detects it and is stable in it)

or is it P6 ?

anyway you got it

[twin dew]

C6 is the lowest "active" idle state currently.
Where the system is completely on, but the CPU is almost completely shut down

[maiden coyote]

Ps4 sleep mode keeps the fan running and draws like 30W lol

[twin dew]

S3 is Suspend to RAM (Sleep), S4 is Suspend to Disk (HW level Hibernate).

S5 is Soft Off, the "computer shut off but getting standby 5V power".

But bad PSUs cannot do that C6, and use lot of power in the S3.

[night girder]

Baldur, you feeling fine?

[twin dew]

?

[night girder]

Never seen you post Valheim stuff 😂

let alone gaming stuff 😛

[twin dew]

I spoke here when I started the game few days ago.

You have just been missing the posts.

Wanted to share that fortress camp base I was making.

[night girder]

Modded?

[twin dew]

First with nothing, then used the ingame functionality for 2.0x drops (3.0x would be there too).
And temporarely used two mods, one to be able to use tools while swimming (to dig those moats and the harbor properly), and "infinite stamina when no enemies near" mod as complement.
Going to remove those soon.

[night girder]

Seems balanced mods (not game breaking)

[maiden coyote]

i hate this AI search crap.. and look, a nice little video that shows a dude doing one that's got like 18 awg conductors..

i messed one up and I'm trying to figure out how to fix it. the correct answer is in a reddit post further down.

[warped summit]

You can deactivate the ai search feature in the settings

[mental oriole]

Should be off by default lmao

[night girder]

I don't get AI answers when searching googling.

[charred pewter]

whenever i want it to give an answer that i can poke fun at, it never pops up ... i think it knows im trying to troll it

[night girder]

Ah, you probably have to be logged in to get AI working or something?

[charred pewter]

i dunno, i mean im logged into my chrome profile, but im not actually logged into google website (since it always times out)

it seems very selective when it pops up an AI answer

[night girder]

probably due to availability and how busy it is.

[charred pewter]

i ask how to trim a tree limb, and nothing, but i ask can i sharpen a mower blade ... and it does

[jagged snow]

Can't seem to figure out how to disable ssid broadcast on my new router 🤔

[twin dew]

Which doesn't help anything, and makes you spread your SSID around all the time from any mobile device,.

[jagged snow]

I only want to disable it for my 2.4ghz IOT network so people aren't trying to connect to it when they visit

[soft bloom]

20W without monitor
19W when powered off
that's strange

[twin dew]

Powered off, as in that S5 mode I mentioned?
That computer is shut down from OS, but PSU has power and motherboard is getting standby power?

@soft bloom

Or put into "Sleep" in OS?

[soft bloom]

powered off as in "i told it to power off"
suspended as in "I told it to suspend"
Ubuntu os

button on PSU makes it down to 0W

[twin dew]

Suspend in Linux is same as Sleep in Windows.
S3, Suspend to RAM.
With Power off being that S5.

Just PSU that cannot provide the standby power without significant internal extra load.

[soft bloom]

and i checked power settings in BIOS - they are all on, except for toggle to not power backup if power grid went down

[twin dew]

No separate +5V standby generation, but from 12V midpoint that needs extra load to stay stable.

So it uses internal load resistor or like to generate that base load.

Or the case where OS doesn't send the actual final turn off signal correctly and the computer stays in active black screen when it should turn off.
But in that case the monitor shouldn't go to sleep.

But as S3 and S5 use the same amount of power, I would expect that to just be the PSUs minimum load it can work on.

And it is wasting enough extra internally to keep to that minimum level.

That was/is somewhat common thing in cheap PSUs.

After PSUs moved from regulating all rails separately, to first doing +12V and then doing DC-DC for the rest.
With now +5V standby being again completely separate in better PSUs (S3, S5 power usage).
And the +12V being able to be stable at very low loads too in better PSUs (C6 idle working without extra power wastage).

[charred pewter]

when i cant find a way to hide it, i just set mine up to be something highly offensive

[jagged snow]

It's currently set to "Hidden Network" but I will be changing it

[charred pewter]

i once had "DEA_MOBILE_UNIT_452" hehe

all the back alley drug handoffs seemed to stop 🤔

[mental oriole]

Fucked up big time

[jagged snow]

I downgraded to 100/100 with the move, big change

Nah you're good

The downgrade to 100/100 made my bill $20/month so I"m totally fine with it

[tough quiver]

My dad runs his small business and my stepmom works from home so I have gigabit business internet :D

well, gigabit down. Upload is highly questionable. Alledgedly we have access to 1000down/500up, but I can't ever get up over 200. Not that it matters at those speeds, lol

[jagged snow]

My previous residential was symmetrical gig

Was very useful sometimes

I don't really understand the aversion to offering symmetrical plans now that we're on fiber, there isn't a limitation that should make that beneficial to them

[night girder]

Pff, YT keeps enabling that lightning feature. It's so annoying 😒

[jagged snow]

Lightning?

[night girder]

Sorry, on my Macbook it's named in Dutch. This is SS from my PC. So it's Ambient mode.

At random, it keeps toggling it on. Whish there was a addon or something to turn it off.

[night girder]

• www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/15k2fx2/friggin_ambient_mode_turns_itself_back_on/
• www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/1c40f9c/ambient_mode_keeps_turning_on_by_itself_is_there/?rdt=41827

I am not crazy 😂

[jagged snow]

Google has done that before in order to try to encourage people to get used to new features iirc

[wanton orchid]

I went all in on recheargeable battery stuff after almost month of looking it up and research
never had my own gears

I was scared a bit for what I'll get in reality, there are lot of bad story online and on amazon reviews (though I dont use amazon, amazon probably have bad storage policies for this, and amazon users are less aware of the stuff they work wise than specialized store clients are)

but good news, I'm actually quiet happy with what I got

12 AAA, 2 chargers (one ""dumb"" (smart) and an analyzer)

I'm finishing charging 8 of them right now

[sage pier]

How do I fix this? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1101905537148387380/1243566442071330908/Screenshot_2024-05-24_080554.png?ex=6651f100&is=66509f80&hm=6c308e12bb8fcaf63a28a68161d539fa45f09b098ff6ca465d42ed17fc9bd4e7&

[tough owl]

Wait for the css to load

[dire igloo]

I'd say ask here
https://pcpartpicker.com/forums/forum/1-site-feedback-and-feature-requests/

[night girder]

Did you block javascript? Or have add-ons running?

Try other browser to see if you still have the problem.

[sage pier]

I have ublock sponsor block dark reader honey metamask and picture in picture

I've tried restarting ff and restarting pc

[night girder]

Try turning them off. To see if problem persists. If that solves it. Turn them on one by one to find culprit.

What browser you use?

[sage pier]

firefox

[sage pier]

it was literally working an hour ago

[night girder]

Works fine on my end (also Firefox). (https: //pcpartpicker.com/)

[midnight osprey]

hey guys, wondering if anyone has experience using iphone wifi hotspot ... gonna need it for a few weeks and wondering if its gonna tank my battery over the long term?

[night girder]

I used it on holiday. It tanked my battery. But I have old iphone 6.

What I did, was plug in my iphone in my macbook to charge it, then use it as a hotspot 😄

[midnight osprey]

mine is 13 pro max

yeah, lol

[night girder]

Possible solution is to get a power bank 😉

[midnight osprey]

I am not worried about the battery as and when I need it ... just worried if it will make my battery drain quicker for the next year

[night girder]

Oh like that, normally it shouldn't? 🤷‍♂️

[midnight osprey]

thats a relief

btw, this mobile data is soooooooooooooo slow compared to what will be installed in a few weeks

[night girder]

You can always check your battery health on the iphone. To see how much % maximum battery you have left. Mine performs at 70% still.

[midnight osprey]

40mbps compared to 1000

oooooh, nice reminder!

[night girder]

Should look something like this:

Nevermind the (Beta) since it's a full fledged feature now. I just stole the image from the internet 😛

[midnight osprey]

I got this in November and had 91%, now at 87%

[midnight osprey]

fuck dude, you are QUICK! lol

I got lucky on a pre owned

my friend bought it me for Christmas

[night girder]

Oh nice. I heard that the iPhone 14 is also a very good device.

Might be my next one 😄

[midnight osprey]

yeah

hoping not to upgrade too soon ... though charging via USB C would be a bonus!

[night girder]

But this old iphone 6 is going strong so far 🤣

[midnight osprey]

he bought it me as it has lidar

and can use it to scan things and bring them into Unreal Engine

[night girder]

That's freaking cool 😄 I think I've seen kade use it before.

[midnight osprey]

I told him my mind is friend and might never get around to that, lol

yeah, very cool

I can put a friend in my game!!!

[night girder]

And even if it's not perfect, you can still adjust the 3d model right?

[midnight osprey]

yeah, they have nice cleanup features

[night girder]

#off-topic-tech message 👈 The Cup.

[stray badger]

UE5 also does facial animation using iphone, you can make really good metahuman animations with just an iphone

[midnight osprey]

reminds me of a friends first ever venture into blender ... it was a fuzzy looking moldy mug, lol

[midnight osprey]

yeah, I was very excited about it at one point

[night girder]

I love how they are adding these features, making a entry into modeling/animations/game development easier.

[stray badger]

I wish android had it

[midnight osprey]

yeah

that was the number 1 reason for getting the phone ... I used to hate apple

[night girder]

It has?

[midnight osprey]

but it has improved greatly over the years

[stray badger]

LiveLink is iphone only

[night girder]

Oh, I though you meant Lidar 🙂

[stray badger]

Samsung doesnt have lidar anymore either

[midnight osprey]

yeah

Apple use it to improve the quality of their photos

one of their number 1 selling points ... lucky for devs, lol

I don't think they will ever ditch it ... for most though it's just too expensive I hear

[night girder]

The quality of my iphone 6 camera isn't great. But still good enough for memories.

maybe good enough for a pixel game 😂

[stray badger]

https://github.com/justdark/UE_Android_LiveLink hmmm

[night girder]

Have you seen that gif on the github page? At the botom? 😂

That's creepy.

[stray badger]

Lidar isnt that big of a deal since photogrammtry exists and Reality Capture is free for UE5 users now

[night girder]

The eyebrows are having some sort of party.

[stray badger]

Unshaded lol

[night girder]

the rest is doable I guess.

[midnight osprey]

at the time of release it was prolly the best in the world, lol

[sage pier]

I don't have that option

[visual tree]

Me in September when I cancel my contract with the current ISP I use because they are the only one who is not deploying fiber in the area (compared to other 2 major ISP's)

[night girder]

Type in the url about:support

[sage pier]

my isp does do "fiber" but if I go to california or washington state it drops to 100 Mbps

[visual tree]

Even if they offered me lower prices compared to other ISP's, I would still refuse lol

[night girder]

Then go trouble shoot mode 🙂

More information if you want: support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/diagnose-firefox-issues-using-troubleshoot-mode

[visual tree]

Because fiber is fiber and copper is copper

[gilded helm]

www.wheresyoured.at/the-men-who-killed-google/

Interesting read

[sage pier]

still fucked up

how do I get out?

of troubleshooting mode

nvm

[night girder]

There was another way 😅

[sage pier]

I just restarted firefox

[night girder]

Ah cool 😄

So even in trouble shoot mode PC part picker looked messed up? 🤔

[sage pier]

yeah

[night girder]

Have you cleared the cache of PC part picker?

You could clear all cache. But then you will be logged out of everything (probably).

[sage pier]

yeah I don't want to do that

[night girder]

Settings -> Privacy and Security -> Manage Data ...

Remove Selected.

[sterile plinth]

ok yall so even after my format my pc keeps crashing 1 time a day for no reason, some games crash, graphics drivers completely crashes sometimes

is it most likely memory issue?

[sage pier]

Hey it worked!

thanks a lot!

[night girder]

Sorry can't help you with that. And I think the ones who can aren't online atm. But I am sure they would need more information than that.

[sterile plinth]

i have said some stuff before, they would know

in general my pc was prett ymuch unusable before

exes would refuse to open with the most unknown errors ever

I had to format, much better but i still get crashes

[jagged snow]

Most likely
Do you have xmp enabled?
How many sticks of what memory?

What cpu & mobo?

[sterile plinth]

xmp, 2x8gb 3600mhz

ryzen 5600, gigabyte b550m aorus elite

[jagged snow]

You actually have xmp enabled or did you just set the frequency to 3600?

[sterile plinth]

xmp

[jagged snow]

Does that kit have lower xmp settings?

[sterile plinth]

one preset

thats the 3600 one

[jagged snow]

If not, keep everything else at the xmp setting and just lower the frequency to 3200

[sterile plinth]

should i try memtest86

[jagged snow]

See what that does for ya

[jagged snow]

Couldn't hurt

[sterile plinth]

to be 100% sure its the memory fault?

or is it so obvious that such issues could only be caused by the ram

[jagged snow]

This could be storage, memory, cpu, or mobo

[sterile plinth]

i am getting 5 different types of crash errors on a brand new installation of windows

brand new more like 1 month old but yea

[night girder]

anything critical in event viewer?

[midnight osprey]

thanks for your help earlier ... I feel more at peace now, lol

I love this phone, can't ruin it's battery ... I shall keep my eyes on the health over the next few days

[night girder]

Np! 🙂

[tough owl]

I love google

[jagged snow]

Oh that's so good

[cyan crescent]

Ugh. My pc isn’t displaying an image now even tho i removed one cable that isnt connected to anything

Bios reset button didnt do anything. Removing the Dedicated GPU did nothing. I checked cables

[jagged snow]

Why was the cable there if it wasn't connected to anything?

[cyan crescent]

It was for my wireless vr headset that i put away

[jagged snow]

So it was just plugged into the rear io?

[cyan crescent]

It was an m.2 to pcie adapter

Needed an extra pcie slot but didnt have an extra cuz itx

[tough owl]

i love how now with the algo change on youtube stuff like this can be reccomended https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ_tJQIotuc

[gilded helm]

Google bombing is going to make a comback to make crappy AI results for laughs.

[jagged snow]

Anyone have a good explanation for this weird behavior?

[maiden coyote]

What kind of service?

Run cloudflared speed test

I hate teslas. This is the second time I've towed the same one in a week

[gilded helm]

What ails the beast?

[jagged snow]

It behaves as expected

[soft bloom]

monitor is pitch black.

[maiden coyote]

No packet loss?

[midnight osprey]

Just used tethering for a few hours with the screen off. Only used 2% lol

Actually, maybe battery percentage isn’t accurately represented over 90% or so

[twin dew]

Buffer Bloat somewhere.

~15-20ms being the real ping, and the rest being packets stuck in buffer because of overloaded link, with way too large buffer.

[jagged snow]

Very odd

Only thing I can figure is it's the nic in my pc acting up

[twin dew]

So that was without your internet connection being used much otherwise?

[tough owl]

could be windows network stack

[twin dew]

And in that case you should ping your routers internal IP first, then the default gateway your router reports for the WAN, and only after that Internet.

To check where the problem starts.
Internal LAN, between router and closest ISP hardware, or after.

[jagged snow]

Pc was the only device on the network

[twin dew]

Wifi or wired?

[jagged snow]

WiFi

[twin dew]

Then I would expect it to be too many APs on same or overlapping channel, or other interference source on the frequency the Wifi channel used uses.

Causing lot of collisions.

[jagged snow]

I suspected that as well, jumped channels a few times and it didn't get much better

[twin dew]

Or could be overdone power saving settings (including AP side).

[twin dew]

2.4 or 5?
Have you checked the overall channel usage in your location?

[jagged snow]

5ghz, no I haven't bothered to check

[twin dew]

What channels did you test?

[jagged snow]

AP has only been up for about 12 hours and I'm still getting moved in

[twin dew]

Because 36, 40, 44 and 48 for example are in reality one channel.

[jagged snow]

Jumped all around the range

Tried 40 and 80mhz channel width on 40, 149, and 161

[twin dew]

149, 153, 157 and 161 are again just one channel on 80MHz width.

[jagged snow]

But not on 40, like I said I tried both

So either wildly congested 5ghz band here or an issue with my pc's nic as far as I can tell

[twin dew]

36-48 is usually the most congested 80MHz part of 5GHz WLAN.

[jagged snow]

And it's slightly slower besides

I'm using wifi 6 with ofdma, you think that has anthing to do with it?

[twin dew]

Because many older 5GHz APs only use that.

[languid gulch]

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/05/nasa-and-boeing-are-getting-comfortable-launching-starliner-with-a-known-leak/

well, i guess we might get to see some more astronauts die

[twin dew]

@jagged snow But get something that can show this kind of chart for the channels:

Or even better:

[languid gulch]

reminds me of challenger, where everyone knew that there was a design flaw, their statistics said it was a tiny chance of failure

[twin dew]

These are from Windows "inSSIDer", which is free, but needs registration.

[twin dew]

"Nice" for them to find new design flaws...

The "if two adjucent helium manifolds leak, we cannot do deorbit" thing.

[twin dew]

Lot of Android options for that kind of software, same with Linux. Less so on Windows.

Thumbnail on Scott Manleys latest Deep Space Update is nice:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOl8CqDel64

Damn.. didn't use it...

This

[sharp oasis]

@jagged snow so I'm looking at a new phone. S23, pixel 8, or Motorola thinkphone

Thinkphone here has 2nd best pref but is the cheapest of them all

[jagged snow]

I'd go with the pixel or the moto

[twin dew]

Samsung often has nice hardware, but their software side is cancer and OS updates are either very delayed or arrive never, including security updates.

So IMHO Samsung phones are never worth it.

But most consumers don't care about that side when they buy a phone...

[jagged snow]

Samsung base model hardware is also pretty mediocre in the most recent models

[tough owl]

pixel 8

lets see if google actually holds true to the 7 year thing

[sharp oasis]

I was looking at the moto

Cus it's $565cdn

VS p8 at $960CDN

[sage pier]

How long have I been in #off-topic-media waiting for someone to talk about tech

[sharp oasis]

Samsung as better soft support. But it's it's locked Down

[languid gulch]

i bought my latest samsung phone unlocked and it's meh at best, but definitely better than a cell phone company locked-down version of it

[jagged snow]

I'm a big fan of buying unlocked phones used

[sharp oasis]

Locked down as in no custom rom support

[twin dew]

What do you mean with "soft support"?

[sharp oasis]

Software

Samsung has better update frequency VS Motorola

The thinkphone is on a different update schedule

[twin dew]

So Motorola is absolutely horrible, if Samsung can be better on that...

[sharp oasis]

Motorola normal is abysmal

Thinkphone

Is on a separate soft update schedule

And gets better update frequently

[maiden coyote]

Your choices are really iphome, samsung sxx or pixel for a decent device. Isn't Motorola google now?

[languid gulch]

kinda sad about motorola. they helped build the Voyagers, still going after almost 50 years

[jagged snow]

My fiber modem is Nokia branded 🤣

[twin dew]

Nokia is still one of the big makers of operator side mobile tech too.

Just not mobile handset maker anymore, because of leadership level idiocy.

[languid gulch]

kinda like learning that Subaru cars are kind of a side gig

[tough owl]

boxer engines 🤢

[languid gulch]

great sounding idea, but that's about it

[twin dew]

Boxer engines in general, or just specific family Subaru has/had that has/had problems?

Because AFAIK BMW motorcycle boxers are for example completely fine.

[languid gulch]

they tend to have cooling issues, and there's a lot of part duplication

[tough owl]

normal boxer engines for subarus tend to blow up if you push the rev limiter for too long

afaik

[languid gulch]

their only real advantage vs V or inline is their vibration & noise dampening

[twin dew]

And same amount of parts duplication over inline as V.

[jagged snow]

Just that specific family, boxers are prone to some fairly unique design challenges that subaru struggled to address in their more performant models

[twin dew]

As inline only has one valve head, V and boxer have two.

Yes, because the piston placement, so oil circulation is way different.

[jagged snow]

Well really you have duplication of cylinder head and valve cover, also makes timing much more complex

[twin dew]

But same is true for V.

[languid gulch]

sometimes they like to duplicate above V engine part numbers & add on "weird for a car" stuff like a split block

[twin dew]

That was the point.

Inline has only one orientation of pistons, V and Boxer (-) have two.

Just that the angle is different between the banks.

[jagged snow]

Boxer introduces additional complexities for oil and cooling as you said, not to mention the design changes it causes in the bottom end

[jagged snow]

I'm well aware

[languid gulch]

V can still usually get away with a single cam if they want to, tho a lot these days use DOHC

[twin dew]

Yeah, but meant the valvetrain duplication.

[twin dew]

Single cam per head in that case.

[jagged snow]

Not much reason to avoid it

[twin dew]

DOHC is two per head, so 4 for V.

[languid gulch]

oh brain fart, right

i blocked out my NorthStar days

[jagged snow]

Well, you can get away with a single cam on an ohv system using lifters but it's not too common

[twin dew]

OHV is simpler, but limits RPM.

[jagged snow]

Yes

Again, I'm well aware

[languid gulch]

also there can be dumb shit like when someone designs the boxer engine to have the spark plug wires to be on top, guaranteeing that they'll melt over time

[twin dew]

Just stating if there are people reading that don't know.

[jagged snow]

I always forget there are lurkers in discord

[languid gulch]

i still think the first engine i built was my favorite

[twin dew]

Lines like that aren't always meant for the previous speaker, but just as general information about WHY the previous line contents happen.

[jagged snow]

Yeah, fair enough

[tough owl]

speaking of engines to build

I have a 22-re I need to get running again

[languid gulch]

i like toyota & hona engines because i never needed to touch them

[tough owl]

its been sitting for like 5 years in the heat without turning over

though the truck its in has minimal rust so it should be fun yo restore

[languid gulch]

i've always wondered if companies like Carvana buys cars from my area specifically to sell up north & back east

cuz cars just don't rust here

[tough owl]

probably

makes most the sense financially for them

esp since carvana you can buy a car across the country and theyll ship it to you

[languid gulch]

saw a gorgeous 1972 chevy cheyenne C10 today. definitely restored, looked like it just rolled off the line

[tough owl]

i have a friend fixing an 85 dodge pickup

and another friend with an 85 f250 with the 8ft bed

[languid gulch]

nice

[tough owl]

its a blast to ride around in

[languid gulch]

i really don't get the new pickup "thing"

[tough owl]

and it does not like starting in the cold 🤣

a lot of starter fluid and almost flooding the engine later along with nearly frying the starter it works again

[sharp oasis]

IPhone is off the table for me

[languid gulch]

yea, i'm allergic to apple products myself

[sharp oasis]

I hate apple

Apple doesn't give me livetiles

[languid gulch]

if they had product compatibility & were about a third of their price, i might be interested

[gilded helm]

New cars are so terrible that it wouldn't surprise me if there starts to be a thriving market for refitted new cars. Harvest the VIN, then replace basically everything else.

[languid gulch]

i suspect there'll be an aftermarket for the "please give me knobs & levers instead of a broken screen"

[night girder]

You talking battery % or battery maximum capacity %?

There is also an option "Optimised Battery Charging" - I have it enabled.

optimized Battery Charging is designed to reduce the wear on your battery and improve its lifespan by reducing the time your iPhone spends fully charged. When the feature is enabled, your iPhone will delay charging past 80% in certain situations.

[midnight osprey]

Battery percentage.

Pretty sure it’s not accurate after charging as it can stay on 200% for ages.

Make that 100, lol

[night girder]

Oh ok. Phew 😄 If it was 2% battery maximum capacity, that would have been an issue 😉

My iPhone battery can be weird like that. Like it has a delay on it. I can listen to music for 15-30 minutes and only lose a few %. Then I put it in my pocket for 5-10 minutes and suddenly I lost 15%. Again, my battery is old and only has 69% max capacity.

Also temperature is a big factor (cold/warm).

[edgy hazel]

[soft bloom]

dam, these little berries now have better ram than my laptop

[twin dew]

Even Pi 4 already had 8GB RAM version.

[charred pewter]

nice

[midnight osprey]

I honestly think iOS fakes it. Or doesn’t measure it accurately.

[jagged snow]

Well, pretty much all phones are more or less just estimating between 20 and 90 percent

[midnight osprey]

Yeah but I noticed a bigger difference.

To be fair, the iPhone battery is much better these days.

Doesn’t degrade after just a year either.

[visual tree]

Can't wait to hear what kind of stories salespeople will try to sell me when I move to another ISP and get fiber soon

They think everyone is computer-illiterate and they can trick people

[jagged snow]

My recent experience was pretty good

Their sales rep had no idea what 100/100 actually meant though

[visual tree]

This time they have zero argument why I should continue using their services lol

My argument nb. 1 : Competitor offers fiber, you don't have it

Argument nb. 2: Even if there is no fiber and I could use home 5G, competitor has it, you don't

It's funny how salespeople will still try to sell you something even if their service is inferior

Not to mention their site says: "Enjoy home 5G internet with 1 TB of data on 5G speed!"

But there are small letters that say: "Speed is limited to 200 Mbit/s to prevent base station overload"

That's literally false advertisement

[twin dew]

"5G speed" doesn't mean anything?

Minimum for continous transmissions at the 5G spec minimal data rate might be 10Mbit/s?

[visual tree]

When someone says 5G speeds, I expect speeds up to 1 gbit/s and not speed cap of 200 Mbit/s

You can even reach 200 Mbit/s on 4G homebox

*on better days that is

[jagged snow]

The problem is that that is 5g speed

Just not what you're expecting when you hear it

[twin dew]

Because it is marketing term made to give impression, but not mean anything.

[jagged snow]

It's misleading but not false

[visual tree]

5G is definitely overhyped. When they started covering cities with 5G, they advertised everywhere how it will offer speeds up to 1 gbit/s

[tough owl]

up to

[twin dew]

Like almost all previous mobile tech "progressions"?

[jagged snow]

It's a lot faster than 4g in the city
The problem is I'm rarely using my data in the city, but somewhere 50 miles out in the woods

[twin dew]

Branding the minor LTE spec step as 5G was pure marketing thing.

[jagged snow]

And then I'm often stuck with 3g or sometimes even 2g

[twin dew]

Instead of just being another 4G upgrade.

[jagged snow]

Well yeah, 5g mmw was really the one that deserved its own naming

It just isn't really practical for a lot of people

[visual tree]

ISP's love to use that term lol

[tough owl]

too bad most data plans make you pay more for mmwave

and its not included in the cheapest plan

[jagged snow]

Doesn't bother me, I don't think there's mmwave within 100 miles 😄

[twin dew]

And the range of mmWave is tiny.

[tough owl]

theres no mmwave in my town

ive seen mmwave and its crazy to see 2.5gbit over a wireless connection

[twin dew]

Needs line of sight and even then has range measured in hundrets of meters max.

[jagged snow]

Yep
You do see it in some cities with much shorter and more dispersed towers, is a little crazy to see a cell tower on every corner

[tough owl]

my home city started putting them on light poles

like every 5 light poles

[narrow folio]

I hope all of those light poles have their own fibre connection. or are they just a big mesh?

[tough owl]

I dont know, I would assume their own fiber connection but would not be surprised if they were a mesh for cost saving sake

[visual tree]

This is a speedtest I did a while ago on a competitor 4G network, the speed is even higher than the speed cap of ISP home 5G I currently use but don't have 5G coverage lol 😅

[tough owl]

my cell provider doesnt have 5g up on the nearest tower to me(I have line of sight to it)

[jagged snow]

Honestly wouldn't surprise me if it was fiber with how common overhead fiber is in the US

[tough owl]

i just wish theyd pull fiber to everyones houses

some states do it but not mine

[jagged snow]

Some states are running municipal fiber networks now, pretty interesting

[tough owl]

some houses in my state dont even have coax running to them :)

[jagged snow]

Plenty of houses still don't have power...

[tough owl]

(in the city central)

[gleaming shadow]

I don't have fiber, but I do have 800 mbit, it on the coax, (yea I know it's mostly fiber to the streets and only the last 20 meters or so is coax)

[tough owl]

my grandparents house which is closer to the city central than mine is doesnt have coax and is still running 2 dls connections together for internet

might be because the local isp didnt bother since they were a paying customer at the time or just didnt do the neighboorhod and only do it by request

[jagged snow]

The majority of homes in my area jumped coax and went straight to fiber from dsl

[visual tree]

Oh, this is where it gets even funnier. My ISP considers coax as "fiber" because there is a fiber cable leading up to the street cabinet

DOCSIS can't be considered fiber imo

[tough owl]

its not

[jagged snow]

That's another one of those marketing terms
There's a big distinction between fiber and fiber to the home

Very frustrating but it is what it is

[twin dew]

Fiber-To-The-Curb (FTTC)
Different from Fiber-To-The-Home (FTTH)

[visual tree]

They still advertise it as "fiber network" to customers lol

[twin dew]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiber_to_the_x

[tough owl]

where im currently living at for college the fiber line is just connected to the switch in the laundry room just chillin on the wall

[visual tree]

By that logic, I could also advertise vdsl as "fiber" 😂

[twin dew]

Yes, again marketing terms being intentionally misleading.

[twin dew]

Yup, and has been done.

[tough owl]

can we ban marketing that is "technically true"

[jagged snow]

I'm just about done with isp installers
My current place has had so many hacked together net installs at this point that it's a massive disaster
Two separate dsl installs, two cable installs, three satellite installs, and one fiber install at this point

For all of them the technicians just stapled, bolted, and drilled directly through the siding without any care

[tough owl]

so you just have all that hardware just attached to your house?

[jagged snow]

Several thousand dollars in total damages

[jagged snow]

Yep

[tough owl]

could you not sue them for property damage, unless the install contract says we aint liable for anything

[jagged snow]

I've been working with the landlord to properly remove all of them and we're making some progress

The big annoyance currently is that when the previos tenants had fiber installed(without consulting the landlord) the technician ran the fiber along the outside of the house and then through the living room wall about two feet off the ground, then mounted their termination box and fiber modem on the wall there

Apparently they wanted to charge extra to run the fiber all the way to the closet where the modem was supposed to go

[tough owl]

does it really cost that much more to install it where it belongs

[jagged snow]

No, just lazy technician

And the previous cable and dish installs all terminated in that closet so I assume he just didn't want to work around it

Either way, I've removed one dish and about 200 feet of coax and associated junctions and splitters from the outside of the house so far and I'm not even halfway done

[tough owl]

any plans with all that extra coax?

[jagged snow]

They screwed one of the dishes directly through the shingles and sheeting on the roof and caused problems over there so that's on the docket to fix, likely today

[jagged snow]

Nope

Gonna just scrap it or trash it, the sheath is weathered and starting to crack in places

Some of it's been there for several decades at this point

[tough owl]

all that copper has to be worth something right

[jagged snow]

Probably would be

But maybe 15 bucks if I had to guess?

There isn't a ton of copper in coax compared to power wiring or even something like enet

[tough owl]

worth more than nothing

[jagged snow]

True

I just don't know if it's worth the time to haul it 30 miles

[tough owl]

ah if its that far away maybe not

unless youre already going that direction

[jagged snow]

Nope, opposite of anywhere I'll be headed today

[tough owl]

in the future though?

[jagged snow]

Not really much else for me to do over that way so I doubt it

The dishes will get recycled because they're full metal but the coax will likely end up getting trashed

Especially since a lot of it is made up of 20 foot sections with junctions and extenders instead of one long run

[maiden coyote]

Cost more to get the copper than it does to make new coax

[visual tree]

Apparently, DALL-E likes glue on pizza

[night girder]

AI, wow, so amazing. So good. 😂

also what is tackiness?

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-disappointed-tantrum-狂躁-seccato-gif-3541847

[night girder]

• The state of being tacky.
• The property of being cohesive and sticky.
• Tastelessness by virtue of being cheap and vulgar.

[visual tree]

Tasteless

I'm sure glue is going to improve the taste

I knew it, the government has been hiding the technology from us!

*jk

[mental oriole]

A lot of

[tough owl]

wait so none of you put glue on your pizza?

[night girder]

to be fair, it said non-toxic glue.

[languid gulch]

i love how all the discussions about AI maybe grabbing onto the bad info on the internet sometime in the future happened in a matter of weeks & not years 🤣

[sharp oasis]

Testing. My 6700XT at 4k so fsr

Some games can run 60fps at a bit less

And some full

And some I have to really downscale

[tough owl]

how old is old

wccftech.com/biden-administration-restore-trump-era-tariffs-on-gpus-accelerators-prices/

[obtuse geyser]

Unrelated note: My desktop iddles at 44W when displaying desktop 😁
If your pc uses 30w when sleeping, something must be wrong.

[brazen shore]

Hi, guys. Is here way to make a game run with Direct 12 ? For me its crashing when I try to load. With Direct 11 it works but graphic is worst and optimization too
Before everything was fine

i9-13900K
RTX 4080
Windows 11

[tough owl]

-dx12 in steam launch options

[brazen shore]

it's just crashing with this
sometimes even computer is restarting

[tough owl]

probably corrupt drivers

I would recommend using DDU to nuke the old drivers so you can install fresh new drivers

[brazen shore]

I will try, thanks

[brazen shore]

I updated drivers but probles it still here
sometimes I see this error

[random owl]

Do you have anything else running in the background. If not I would ctl,alt,delete and check your graphics card performance in the task manager

[brazen shore]

I checked. Nothing else.

[gilded helm]

I decided DX12 wasn't worth the trouble for Satis, until 1.0

[random owl]

Okay I would try removing the graphics card and re install it according to that error it’s saying your graphics card memory is being used up else where

[jagged snow]

@brazen shore can you make a #1038092680493801533 thread?

[brazen shore]

yep

[wooden vessel]

this is a problem known to afflict 13900 cpu's. https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/is-your-intel-core-i9-13900k-crashing-in-games-your-motherboard-bios-settings-may-be-to-blame-other-high-end-intel-cpus-also-affected

it's default power limits being set wrong. check your motherboard support page, or you can possibly monkey settings in the bios.

[gilded helm]

IIRC Snutt has acknowledged crash issues in DX12 anyway, he said a lot of people who did the 1.0 Beta had them go away.

[wooden vessel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/1aukdm0/please_help_my_409014900_pc_keeps_crashing_every/

[gleaming shadow]

so a good and nice person on reddit has to explain he need to overclock his CPu basicly?

[sage pier]

I'd say its good

most people hae 25-100 Mbps

[midnight osprey]

Got my new keyboard…

Only one problem. The seller wasn’t honest about it being a different layout. Was expecting uk and got American.

[wooden vessel]

This problem and solution was reported by gamers nexus too

[twin dew]

Just PSU things.
Like I said, PSU that needs certain level of load to have stable voltage regulation, and wastes power internally to keep to that.

I don't have one of those PSUs, but they are out there and the asker seemed to have one that needs 20W.
I just stated that those kinds of PSUs exist and have minimum load of 10-30W depending on the PSU.

[twin dew]

Unstable CPU from the MB defaults.

Ah, already stated later in here.

[gleaming shadow]

Btw Baldur, might be some time ago, but you helped me with my ram, and bios versions on the ASRock 670x, they updated bios to 2.9, and the agesa to 1.1.7, now it runs fine at 6400, and I've learned alot from you then, I'm thankful 😄

[twin dew]

[Citation Needed]

[mental oriole]

[twin dew]

Probably some: "maximum of 2-3 cigarettes per day, if you absolutely have to."

As the source for that Artificial Idiocy Hallucination.

[dire igloo]

Text AI isn't context aware and it shows

[edgy hazel]

Bro...

[mental oriole]

brb flying to golden gate 🤣

[twin dew]

It can be cheaper to buy two-way ticket, even if you only plan to use the first.

[mental oriole]

\s

[twin dew]

But don't try to get airplane tickets in which you don't use the travel legs from the start.
As that can easily end with you being denied boarding at later leg.

[charred pewter]

They're inside the mainframe, use the backup DHCP form factor to calculate their transistor!

[wanton orchid]

is this a "look smart" stupid AI like sentences competition ?

[twin dew]

Google "AI" giving "advice" when you do a search.

So pretty dangerous thing.

[wanton orchid]

Google search results were already dangerous
they got tired of hiding now

[twin dew]

Well, even more dangerous than before, by large margin.

[wanton orchid]

yep

[edgy hazel]

y'all sound like you didn't have your daily recommended dose of rocks yet

[wanton orchid]

it's basically only that btw : dangerous
what's called AI is basically a mind shortcut generation engine

[maiden coyote]

I wonder how it'll host a satisfactory dedi. I ended up getting that over several raspberry pi's

[wanton orchid]

where is the amd64 high single thread performance cpu ?

[maiden coyote]

If people follow the advise of the friendly helpful ai then they'll be alot more domestic one way tickets to San fan

The n100 is 4 12th gen ecores. It's kind of gimped since it only has 1 memory channel and can only support 16gb.

[twin dew]

Perfectly fine for most network appliance type builds like meant with those 4 LANs, but not really speed demon.

And cannot really do 10Gb/s networking as that only PCIe is only 1x.

For that specific model.

[maiden coyote]

Anything needing more than 16gb will probably need a faster cpu yeah. Network stuff.. it's awesome. I've installed proxmox on it and I'm running a whole bunch of stuff on it. Home assistant, pi hole, nginx.. I'll probably install opnsense on it in the near future

I couldn't find a pci block diagram. That cpu only has 9 lanes.

[twin dew]

Ah, 2.5G Intel NICs, not just 1G.

[maiden coyote]

Which I doubt it'll handle saturating all 4 ports.

[twin dew]

Seems the thing doesn't have any actual CPU ports except single USB.
There is Alder Point PCH behind OPI link on the same substrate that has the actual PCIe etc.

[maiden coyote]

They've done some trickery. I guess. It's still about the only low power board I was able to find with multiple lan ports and didn't get power from a dc jack on the io panel

[twin dew]

I meant the N100 in general.

That specific board has too much IO, trying to find how many lanes there are actually in use for those M.2 slots etc.

[maiden coyote]

It's a neat cpu. I don't know much about it other than it sips power and is really powerful for what it does

Yeah it does. And the manual is half Chinese with no block diagram

[twin dew]

Ah, yeah, the M.2 slots are just 1x each, and all the SATA ports are from JMB585 PCIe to SATA controller with 2 lanes of PCIe.

[maiden coyote]

www.bkipc.com/en/product/1264-NAS-MB.html

[twin dew]

Or something like that.

Because normally on Intel, pair of two SATA ports means one less PCIe lane.

[maiden coyote]

Probably would've been smarter to have just 1 nvme at 4x and used the rest of the io for the Lan. No sata

[twin dew]

Doesn't look as good on pictures and "paper specs" without details.

So for each slice, you can select one function.

So PCIe lane or USB 3 for the first four for example.

That blue Wifi is for specific generation CVNi, not PCIe.

[maiden coyote]

On that board they used it all

Multiple times over lol

[twin dew]

Yeah, but point was that they have too much stuff.
So probably 1x for each 2.5G LAN, 1x for each M.2, 1x for the slot, and then 1x or 2x for separate SATA controller.

And something for 2x USB3 ports, probably direct, so one less PCIe lane.

Which would fit to 4x LAN, 2x 1x M.2, 1x PCIe, 1x SATA controller, 1x USB3 for total of 9.

[maiden coyote]

Wouldn't look as good on paper, but two skus would've been better.. one for a nas with more lanes for sata and less ethernet.. and another sku for networking.. no sata, pci 1x, nvme at 4x and 4x for lan

Usb 2.0 on both.. but that doesn't look as good on paper and pictures

Still a good network appliance board, I think if I was building a nas I'd look else where

Something like the steam deck apu on a board like that might be cool

[twin dew]

And yes, that OPI (On Package DMI Interconnect) is link between CPU chiplet and chipset chiplet on same substrate.

[night girder]

We need a website for the stupid shit AI answers with. Like a gallery.

To immortalize it.

[soft bloom]

Somehow my pc managed to fail at being able to use virtualization.
vagrant, android studio... both say there's something wrong. even though BIOS says its on.
what chatgpt suggest to check if its enabled - all of it fails
i wonder what could have happened...

[twin dew]

Windows 10 and 11 run under HyperV virtualization by default if available.
And that prevents other hypervisors from working.

Unless they are able to use HyperV.

"Virtualization Based Security (VBS)"

[soft bloom]

Ubuntu

something is wrong about kvm

[twin dew]

What does this say?
lscpu | grep "Virtualization"

[obtuse geyser]

Timespy 1440p: 17 335 with AMD Radeon RX 7900 GRE(1x) and AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D
Is this reasonable result? The 3dmark site takes 5mins to load and can't compare with anything.

[sage pier]

very small update for @twin dew it seems like they don't want to talk to me as the amount of business days it takes for them to respond goes up by one day everytime they respond XD.
this is what they said

Cloning the MAC should be just fine.

I have had customers that easily get speedtests of 900+Mbps on the eero directly.

"An FCC Broadband Label will display internet speed as “typical speeds” and will not guarantee the maximum plan speed. "

[soft bloom]

AMD-V

[twin dew]

So the support is on and detected by the kernel.

Was there "Virtualization type:" line?

[soft bloom]

no, Virtualization: (spaces)
no "type"

[twin dew]

That would have been second line in the example.

But no idea if that should actually show up or not.

In this case.

Ah, that shows if you are inside VM.

So yes, some software level problem.

[edgy hazel]

A fly is 8g according to google

[twin dew]

The whole answer contains so many separate WTFs.

[edgy hazel]

A 1-2 week old mouse is 8g

According to wikipedia a fly is roughly 0.2g

[maiden coyote]

I've got no idea what your project is, but why are you trying to use ubuntu as a hypervisor?

[twin dew]

KVM is build in hypervisor in Linux Kernel.

[maiden coyote]

It is, it's even built into windows. Doesn't make it a good choice

[twin dew]

And what would be the right choice to run some VM on your primary computer then?
That isn't for constant VM use?

Not everything needs full fat hypervisor above all OSes.

[maiden coyote]

That's fair, and I'm not going to suggest they run and install esxi or proxmox because I've got no idea what they're trying to do. The latest versions of Ubuntu and eveb debian have left me frustrated.

[twin dew]

Proxmox uses KVM.

You just don't get normal access to the base linux system under the Proxmox.

[maiden coyote]

You've got a root shell with proxmox.

[twin dew]

Ok, not Proxmox user.
But it is just another Linux distro as base.
Just meant for running VMs on KVM.

Or just containerized loads and not full VMed.

[maiden coyote]

Not a normal user account no.. you've just got root on proxmox

Device pass through can be done with the web interface though, even pci pass through. The Gpus take some extra work in cli. I was able to run games with a dedicated gpu on a windows guest on it.

It seems like less headaches. That's all

[twin dew]

But don't blame KVM that you couldn't get shit to work.
As KVM is the backend with multiple frontends.

And many of those frontends aren't really that user friendly.

Well, seems that lot of electronics are going to again get 25% more expensive in USA as the tariffs for Chinese imports are coming back.

[soft bloom]

ehhhhh
as host for another virtual ubuntu
surprise: not every change desirable for other ubuntu machines is the one i also want to perform on my

[soft bloom]

probably. but atm there are like 0 ideas of where to troubleshoot it

[soft bloom]

that's different fly.
i think it things about that devil creature that you can barely see, can't hear, and that will bite you so hard...

[maiden coyote]

So you're trying to virtualize a virtual machine? If so that's nested, there should be an option to enable that

[twin dew]

No?
As the lscpu thing would have in that case stated that.

[tough owl]

maybe eating the bugs is a good thing afterall....

[maiden coyote]

If i turn off my mointor with the desktop pulled up my pc logs me out and I can't log back in. If I switch to a terminal before turning the mointor off, it's fine. - modern Linux experience

I'd like to have it work, but with all the issues I've had with debian 12 I've given up

[charred pewter]

unless i was bored or being stupid

[thick radish]

Texan flies

I have a similar issue with one of my systems. The monitor must be turned on before the PC or it won't be detected. 😣

[maiden coyote]

I've always heard bugs are high in protein.. the ai agrees

[tough owl]

so I have my macbook plugged into the official apple brick which is plugged into my ups which is plugged into mains power. I can hear the brick( I just plugged it into main power instead) having differing level of coil whine when I use my macbook and I am scrolling and the whine subsides when I am scrolling and comes back when its not scrolling

[maiden coyote]

At all, ever? or it will after the system boots or if the mointor is turned off and back on again?

[thick radish]

Not at all

[maiden coyote]

Can you tell if it still boots?

[thick radish]

I used to use a PC with a USB port right beside a headphone jack, and I could hear static while data was transferring

It boots and I can ssh in

Not a big enough problem to bother trying to fix it

[maiden coyote]

Yeah, it sounds like either a bios or driver issue

[tough owl]

the coil whine is coming from my official apple brick and its only noticable because my eat is maybe 18 inches from it

[thick radish]

The fun part of that static on the headphone jack was at one point I fried the USB stick with static electricity. Then instead of static I'd hear a steady tone for a few seconds before it told me the drive wasn't working

Would have been interesting to put some raw audio on it

[tough owl]

though I wonder if the coil whine from my 140wpd brick is normal or not

ah thanks reddit, looks like its not grounded at all

[maiden coyote]

Ground doesn't have anything to with coil while

[tough owl]

or the fact that my mains power and ups both have awful sine wave outputs

[maiden coyote]

Isn't it a 2 prong plug?

[tough owl]

yes but has the option to be grounded with an extension cord

which is grounded

[maiden coyote]

I'd need to see a picture..

Uh.. does it have a 3rd contract on a brick?

[tough owl]

yes

[maiden coyote]

A metal one?

[tough owl]

yes

[maiden coyote]

I can't see it on the picture, sorry xd

[tough owl]

Big circle is ground

[maiden coyote]

Well you can still check to see if your outlet is wired properly. It doesn't have anything to do with whine but it's safer

[tough owl]

and on the slot of this theres contacts used for grounding

[maiden coyote]

Why not just use a commercially available 3 prong plug.. because apple

[tough owl]

apple power bricks on non extended cables were never grounded ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[maiden coyote]

It's also plastic

Plastic shit is not required to be grounded.

[twin dew]

Yeah, but the point was that they use specific standard 2-pin connector, which has 3-pin standard variant.

Which they could have used instead.

[tough owl]

wouldnt allow the prongs to fold and apple likes their folding prongs on larger bricks

I might invest in like a 200w pd multi port brick that is grounded cuz its quite annoying

[maiden coyote]

Is the laptop metal?

[tough owl]

aluminium yea

[charred pewter]

gold ?

[maiden coyote]

So it's required to have a ground

[tough owl]

while doing nothing buy just a video playing the coil whine from the brick is present. when scrolling on the trackpad up and down a page the coil whine noise level wave idk how to describe it fluctuates

[tough owl]

yea me im ground

[charred pewter]

hilarious that the top choice of 'some metal laptops:' doesnt list the MACBOOKS which are solid metal

[twin dew]

Because the whine depends on the power demand.

[edgy hazel]

me pulling up with my iron macbook

[twin dew]

And that changes with CPU load.

[tough owl]

theres not that much cpu load when scrolling up and down a already fully loaded forum page

[maiden coyote]

Either way it doesn't matter for coil whine. The ground is connected to the output of the power brick

[tough owl]

gold macbook

[twin dew]

And coil whine shouldn't care about ground.
But you can get other kinds of whine when thing designed to be grounded is used without ground.

[tough owl]

wait I actually have one of these with me 🤣

is it just me or is there no way theyre getting 160w out of a brick this small

[charred pewter]

its only $16k ... leronza.com/product/new-24k-gold-macbook-pro-13-inch-2/

[twin dew]

Coil whine is just thing that coils do if they aren't glued down internally (most aren't).
Depending on the current fluctiations in the power going through them.

If they hit suitable frequency and amplitude.

[edgy hazel]

real GaN chargers are crazy. Dunno about Acxuodzen tho

[tough owl]

likely just a rebadge of some charger oem in china

ive seen about 3 or 4 almost identical ones

[twin dew]

You can still have 3-pin standard socket on the charger, and then 3-pin standard connector on that end of the cable, and then non-grounded plug at the wall end of the cable.

[tough owl]

do you have an example

[twin dew]

Not usually done?
As usually stuff is either designed to be non-grounded or grounded.
Not one or other depending on the cable.

But Apple could have done it instead of that nonstandard idiocy.

[tough owl]

apple follow industry standards???

thats like hipocracy over there

[maiden coyote]

Apple sets the industry standards. Usually for the worse.

[tough owl]

i mean qi2 is pretty cool standard they introduced

usbc pd co developing thats is also pretty cool

[maiden coyote]

They've done good things, and bad things.

[tough owl]

if only nintendo for the switch oled implemented proper usbc pd spec