off-topic-tech

[maiden coyote]

but if they work, then they work. I'm using 64 in my garage without issue. it was channel ~100 something that I kept getting booted from

[twin dew]

Only on startup.
The continous is continous, not shutting down, unless they see something that might be weather radar.
And then they shut down or switch channel.

As even single Wifi AP on the same channel as weather radar causes it to just fuck up in that direction.
And the weather radars have priority.

So if you live near to weather radar, those channels cannot be used.

And if you don't live near one, then they work fine.

[maiden coyote]

kinda silly they decided to do that. even with all the stuff, they still interfere with weather radar.

[twin dew]

This kind of shit:

[maiden coyote]

yeah. lol

[twin dew]

Well, better than not allow the use at all.
Because with correctly coded AP firmware, it shouldn't happen to interfering level.

[maiden coyote]

I'm talking about the choice to use those frequencies. which may have been done because weather radar and the military stuff that uses those is older, and the newer stuff uses different bands, so they allocated those to wifi in anticipation of the older stuff eventually being replaced.

[twin dew]

Weather radars cannot really move.
The whole point of both the 2.4GHz and 5GHz bands having been free was because those are the absorption frequencies of water.

[maiden coyote]

6ghz is nice but unless you're buying all new gear and replacing your wifi cards there's not much of a point right now investing in it.

[twin dew]

In that 5.5-5.8GHz range.

And that is the reason why microwave ovens work in same frequency range as 2.4GHz WIFI.
And why the range was free.

As it isn't usable for long range radio usage, because rain fade is extreme.

The 6GHz one is different case, and had/has to be freed.
Which is why 6E is very limited currently in many countries.
In EU, only half the US space is usable and with very low maximum power usage etc.

[tough owl]

Cant you use like openwrt to bypass those laws?

[jagged snow]

Yes, but that's illegal and we don't talk about it in this server

[twin dew]

There is reason why laws were changed at least in US to block more of AP firmware to signed binary blobs.
So that couldn't be done.

Well, that was the effect, not the law.

So that the parts that handle following the various limitations for the channels isn't bypassable by the user even with firmware level access.

[tough owl]

Thats some mad BS

[twin dew]

That happened because too many people were doing it and causing issues.
It wasn't pre-emptive, but reactive.

[tough owl]

all I know is I have a router/ap that has openwrt. I dunno how deep I can go with it but it runs it

[twin dew]

But lot of people were overriding the max power limits and causing issues for others.
So the stuff was mandated to be locked down in latter part of N-standard time IIRC.

Or AC might have already been out.

People got pissy when newer AP firmware versions locked that shit down and prevented downgrading.

[tough owl]

I don't blame them one bit

[maiden coyote]

Absolutely not. Even if you do, the device that's connecting to it will only use what's legal

So if you're using a channel that's not approved your client will not see it

It's still pretty bad with isp boxes blasting at max power all the time and even if your wanted to you can't adjust it with most boxes

[charred pewter]

humans relying on data search content provided by AI .... what could go wrong

if "History is written by the victors." ... are we just ushering in our ultimate enslavement to AI robot overlords ?

[visual tree]

https://youtu.be/nGwz1s1E1aw?feature=shared

[jagged snow]

Stack overflow sold out, partnering with open AI

[mental oriole]

Yikes.

[wanton orchid]

wdf

[dire igloo]

Because you want to sell Teams as the go-to communication platform

[mental oriole]

[timid flume]

hey i dont have perms to talk in the questions and help chat so ima post this here

ive tried everthing

[twin dew]

You do have, but you need to have post topic, and at least one tag.

[timid flume]

ah im new thanks

[twin dew]

Try if deleting FactoryGame_PCD3D_SM6.upipelinecache in %LOCALAPPDATA%\FactoryGame\Saved\ helps.

[timid flume]

well damn why didnt I think of that xD

[timid flume]

ok thanks

[charred pewter]

farscape

[timid flume]

Still nada not working

[twin dew]

Make a thread then in the #1038092680493801533
Press the "New Post", then fill topic and the actual contents, and "Troubleshooting" tag, then you should be able to post.

[maiden coyote]

It's been quiet today. No tech to chat about, just someone who needs to update their gpu drivers or force dx11

So here's a picture of a homelab

[soft bloom]

you know you had a good work when your IDE stops responding

what just ahppened?!?!?

[near fossil]

Does your IDE look like this? https://twitter.com/code/status/1789053139640824301

Visual Studio Code (@code) on X

endgame setup

Twitter · May 10, 2024, 10:01 PM

[soft bloom]

hehe, hi mods. idk what was that 🙂

[soft bloom]

no

[near fossil]

This is dope - what's that at the top?

[soft bloom]

what is that adorable thing?

[maiden coyote]

Rackmount ups

[near fossil]

eWaste. It was sold as an AI companion but it's been utterly panned in the reviews and people have been sideloading stuff onto it 🤣

[near fossil]

Nice!

[maiden coyote]

Above that is ethernet surge suppressors and the grounding for them. They probably won't save the device on the other end, but if I don't lose my switch I'll be happy

That looks like the rabbit.. a ai device that's supposed to replace your smart phone

The presentation for is the guy says that phones are too cluttered with apps that do different things. So here's an ai device that can order pizza for you

[languid gulch]

on today's r/pcmr, a post titled "Don't pull your USB 3.0 internal connector by the wire"

[maiden coyote]

Don't you just love those things

[tough owl]

usbc connctors my beloved

[soft bloom]

but... they are freaking TIGHT

also in my case its impossible to grab it from below

[languid gulch]

oh if i ever need to i'll probably take the mobo out to be able to get a screwdriver under it

only thing that scares me more than that is the 24 pin

[soft bloom]

surprisingly it feels much better

but usb3 is like my nemesis

[soft bloom]

in my case you wouldn't really be able to get mb out when usb3 is in

[languid gulch]

lol maybe, at least the 24 pin socket doesn't feel like it's also going to rip out

[soft bloom]

on one of my MBs, where there's no screw hole in the top right corner, it bends when pulling out. which is quite frustrating

but nothing would compare to this: #off-topic-tech message

[languid gulch]

yeesh

yea i'm not looking forward to undoing the heat sinks on my drives, but also maybe the adhesive by then will have dried out & it'll just pop off

[wanton orchid]

no way this one haven't been grinded

[languid gulch]

they said pliers were used

[wanton orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/bolt-cutters-hand-tool-tools-supplyvan-gif-15932787

that kind ?

[languid gulch]

looks like they shoved the plier tips into the damn sockets

looks like when you snap off the head of a screw & you don't have an extraction kit

[soft bloom]

i am moving, so i wanted to secure storage in a box... turns out original box is the best protection

[wanton orchid]

I only see this

heavy duty cutting the plastic inward like this no much other possibility

[wanton orchid]

that would have scratch the plastic not cut it horizontally

[languid gulch]

yea, looks like a cat found it tasty or some shit

how about this one 🤣

[wanton orchid]

the tool ? definetely looks like some kind of heavy duty pincer

idk

I'm thinking too much about it

I'm really convinced of most of these extreme thing being just mean plug gore

[languid gulch]

yea

"it's already dead, let's have some fun"

[wanton orchid]

or straight out free violence out of frustration

[languid gulch]

lol that too

[wanton orchid]

I mean

when it doesn't want to come out, but you do not ask what it want

(hdmi)

[languid gulch]

i've somehow never had a connector outright strip like that

i've had the casing around a USB plug break apart, and wiring fail, but that's it

[wanton orchid]

I experienced that with shitty usb micro b

micro b
Was really suffering from bad plug engineering

I'm glad usb-c came out for that reason

[languid gulch]

what really annoys me is that the Best Buy Insignia branded cables have actually been great

the only things i haven't trusted them with is long runs & active connections

i had expected garbage quality at any level from them

[wanton orchid]

I'm waiting for a true high performance AND braided

[tough owl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pMrssIrKcY well asus on the chopping block

[languid gulch]

maybe all these companies are thinking if they just spam all the bullshit at the same time, some of it can sneak thru

[tough owl]

corperation hurt itself in its confusions

[languid gulch]

yea, think i've got another company i won't be buying anything from for a while

[tough owl]

the list is getting thin

[languid gulch]

sadly

[tough owl]

who is still good though?

[languid gulch]

all seem to be various tiers of crap, some are just obviously worse than others

[tough owl]

nzxt.com/collection/flex pc hardware subscription

[pure karma]

i think nzxt is the only company i dont have trust issues whit

[tough owl]

you should

[pure karma]

i dont give a shit about a companies reputation as long as they can make a good product

also they managed to successfully send a instruction manual for there product and that was readable at that

[languid gulch]

lol

^NZXT said this was fine

[twin dew]

Very old news.

[languid gulch]

still an indicator that no company is to be trusted implicity "because they make a good product". if any company thinks they can get away with screwing over customers for profit, they'll do it. that's kinda the point of a company

[twin dew]

But yes, NZXT did try to weasel out of recall where the PCIe risers could do that because they used too large screws with generic bad chinesium PCB.

And then tried to just give plastic screws as "fix".
Until finally forced to do real recall and replace the risers with fixed model.

[languid gulch]

forced to do the right thing, kicking & screaming. not trustworthy, & not that old of a story

[twin dew]

Where the screw threads would connect 12V and 0V in the PCB.

[twin dew]

But yeah, buying Asus in USA or Canada has been bad idea for years, because of the warranty practices.
AFAIK not same in EU.

Still bad it seems, just not as bad in EU.

Fortunately in EU you mostly do RMA through the company you bought the product from.

[languid gulch]

so, i can 100% see the aurora

[dire igloo]

I'm surprised how much my photo settings got out of it

These are the pics I took
#off-topic-media message

And this is an exaggeration of what it looked like IRL

[languid gulch]

can solar radiation kill a subpixel?

[twin dew]

High-energy particles from space can, and currently there are more of those getting to ground level.

[soft bloom]

as i remember, red light comes from charging oxygen molecules (or was these o3?)

so i wonder - would oxygen still be "alright" after that?

and, also, were does the rest of wavelengths get absorbed?

so many questions in the morning

[twin dew]

Just electrons being moved by outside energy to higher "band", and then dropping back down to their normal one, sending out light at wavelength dependand of that drop.

And as the changes that can happen depend on the atom, the light output will be specific color based on the atom.

[dire igloo]

Literally a quantum leap

[dire igloo]

Also different between the energy levels the atom offers - you can sometimes see 2 or 3 steps being jumped at once

[soft bloom]

i remember i read something about oxygen being able to form new bonds in such agitated state...

[twin dew]

Not really related to molecules.

But ozone (O3) forms with extra energy instead of the normal O2.

[dire igloo]

That's a pretty miniscule effect with solar storms, no?

[visual tree]

Kudos to this guy for helping me fix my toothbrush for free ❤️ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti-8o7mW2mA

Also, the hot glue method in this video is brilliant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZhlEmuC7t4

[wanton orchid]

and then, there is both

• more pressure from the retail company
• more pressure from the consumer protection laws
  so they can't fuck as much with it
  though they also usually limit more their warranties explicitly to compensate (though EU also put pressure on that too)

[stray badger]

sapphire, seasonic, evga (still around... a bit), asrock is decent ig, fractal, thermalright

problem: most motherboard makers are not on that list

[gilded helm]

We're able to do way more research now than 10 years ago, and go back each 10 years and the difference is that much more dramatic. Maybe in 10 years we're actually going to know companies well enough that we actually know the product managers and teams behind the best products within a company?

[jagged snow]

Xfx is pretty solid too

High-ish RMA rates but they're doing good stuff with their cards and customer support is good

[stray badger]

Oh yeah, a lot of gpu makers for amd are neat

[sharp oasis]

@jagged snow so far ive been running on linux for the past few days

and uh got a windows VM set up for things that use windows

could a game anticheat be fussy if ist a vm?

(D2 specifcially)

[edgy hazel]

idk about that one but league and valorant won't work

[sharp oasis]

even with a vm

i mean i dont play val

idk hopefully bungie is not that aids

[edgy hazel]

nope Vanguard needs to start with the PC and is pretty deep in the kernel

[sharp oasis]

son of a gun

[gilded helm]

Yep, Vanguard is basically a rootkit

[sharp oasis]

could there be a way to trick vangaurd into thining it sharted with kernel

started*

[edgy hazel]

if you want to go and try to trick an anticheat sure. What could go wrong

[jagged snow]

Yes, very much so

[sharp oasis]

i dont play val so

i lose nothing

[sharp oasis]

shit

[stray badger]

Dualboot

[tough owl]

You can get around using a windows vm for games like these but it’s typically not worth the performance hit

[jagged snow]

I have questions

[languid gulch]

probably should retire the 3770K

[cobalt ivy]

i just retired my 3770k after 14 yrs of service to my gaming :V

[pure karma]

not the only one anymore huh

[jagged snow]

Nope, just took a restart 🤷‍♂️

[languid gulch]

so i saw a mini mutant on the road, & i had to do some googling to figure out what it was

looked similar to this

turns out it's a niche thing where someone imports a Suzuki or Subaru utility van from Japan, & then modifies the crap out of it

[tough owl]

Firefox has been acting weird to me for the past couple of days too

[jagged snow]

Odd, a restart fixed it

[tough owl]

firefox has hung for like 30-60 second upon exiting it

[jagged snow]

Oh strange, haven't observed that behavior on windows or mobile

[tough owl]

I dont really know why but I also dont really care since im closing the app

[maiden coyote]

This might not even work

Vanguard will not let you play unless secure boot is enabled. Buy a Xbox or ps5 if you want to play that game

[maiden coyote]

Going to retire a 2700k for a n100. Moores law is pretty much dead when it comes to cpus

Would a geomagnetic storm cause the battery in a new vehicle to die? I've had to tow 5 >2020 vehicles due to battery issues today.. and the day isn't over yet

[jagged snow]

Chance is slim to none

Higher likelihood that gps being wonky is causing bad estimates so people miss chargers

[maiden coyote]

These are gas vehicles.

[jagged snow]

That's weird

Should be essentially no effect

It really only has an effect on grid-scale electrical systems

[maiden coyote]

I wouldn't think so either. But every call I've done today has been new cars, they went some where.. then their battery was dead

[jagged snow]

That's super odd

[maiden coyote]

I find it unusual too. Maybe I'm just unlucky this weekend

If they send me another call for a new vehicle with electronic shifter and a locked up electric parking break I'm going to lose it.

[jagged snow]

That's another thing that I'm really not a fan of being electrified

Why does my drive selecter need to be a dial instead of a physical connection to the tranny?

Really wouldn't be a big deal if there was a mechanical neutral override somewhere

[maiden coyote]

Dodge has a pull handle.

Dodge, ram, jeep. There is an override.

[jagged snow]

The new f150s are without though iirc

[maiden coyote]

Chevy, nissan, vw, BMW dont

Ford is hit and miss..

The one I had today had one.. but it wouldn't release because the battery was dead. So there's still some electronic shit

[jagged snow]

What's the point of even having it then

[tough owl]

mine is a pull handle but i dont know if its electronic or not

[maiden coyote]

But it would say it was not in park on the dash lol

This is more than I want to spend on memory.. but I really want reliable memory

[tough owl]

4 whole ssds?

😔 where am I supposed to go now

please let me watch it not in hdr

[jagged snow]

That's a new one

[tough owl]

my macbook supports hdr

but I dont need it for a lego set review

[stray badger]

oh yeah, i forgot about that

minor problem: their games are not on console

solution: dont play their games

[maiden coyote]

I didn't realize it's pc only

I guess their so serious about their anticheat that the closed system that is consoles isn't good enough.

[tough owl]

thats how you know its not really to ban cheaters

[sharp oasis]

@jagged snow mind if I ask where ethe virtualization setting for gigabyte x570 bioses might be.

I just wanna make sure its on.

[stray badger]

to be fair, Valorant on console would kinda suck

would be like CS on console

[jagged snow]

Not sure... what are the options?

[tough owl]

amd vtd i believe

[jagged snow]

Great summary of recent technological developments from ars

The generative AI push of the last two years has largely been defined by two kinds of stories: tech companies’ unrelenting sprint to cram as many AI features into as many of their products as possible as quickly as possible and backlash from artists, authors, programmers, and any other human whose efforts have been used to train these AI models.

[twin dew]

So NASA removed the ~~matrix ~~ reinforcement from a composite heatshield material and now wonder why the fucker is spalling in use?
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/05/nasa-confirms-independent-review-of-orion-heat-shield-issue/
www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/tried-and-trusted-180972977/

When even the original pre-Apollo testing for pure AVCOAT bricks in ground tests showed they spalled?

From AVCOAT filled fiberclass honeycomb to just pure AVCOAT with no matrix reinforcement material...

And now the fuckers are possibly trying to normalize this and put humans on next test flight, with no changes to the heatshield:

Because the next capsule is already produced and mated, so just demating it from the service module would cause years delay.

Which would time out the next SLS.

The heatshield is supposed to ablate away somewhat evenly, not spall in chunks.

And the 2014 heat shield test with Delta IV Heavy used the old style monolithic honeycomb + AVCOAT shield, and that was later changed to different one for cost reasons...
And first tested on that Artemis I flight.

[languid gulch]

i think the biggest issue with all of this is that they waited too long. all the old guys who worked on apollo are dead & took their secrets with them, & the current bureaucracy refuses to take that into account. it's 100% going to get people killed

[twin dew]

(Also that 2014 test was nowhere the instantaneos or total energy of the real from moon re-entry)

Somewhere around 14% total and 40% instant.

[languid gulch]

it reminds me of the first shuttle flight, where the center elevon seized, & john young said that if he knew that, he would have punched out on ascent rather than risk reentry

sadly all this is coming to a head, & apparently nasa's going to need more blood on their hands because they've forgotten the old lessons

[twin dew]

Sunk cost fallacy, political pressure, get-there-itis, etc.
When the stuff for future flights with time limits from manufacturing were build way too early (solid rocket boosters), so those are timing out very near to planned launch dates.

[languid gulch]

& none of it has fallen under the "do it right" philosophy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoJsPvmFixU

this was 100% worth the entire watch for the current status of going to the moon

[twin dew]

The whole SLS program was mandated by politicians to use "same" components from same companies that produced hardware for Shuttle.
Just that everything was modified anyways for very high costs for SLS...

[languid gulch]

it made me realize that exactly nobody is properly preparing, & we're guaranteed to see someone die this time around

[twin dew]

But anyways, I have to go for now ->

[languid gulch]

have a good day 🙂

[visual tree]

Why didn't I hear about this before? https://youtu.be/1cUUfMeOijg?feature=shared

[sand saddle]

It’s not in use anymore afaik

[visual tree]

Send all the lava lamps to my home address

At least you can still find them on the shelves (not sure if they are still used like you mentioned)

Street view from May 2023

[rustic panther]

It is a cool art piece anyway, so why not keep it around as such

[drifting yew]

Hey everyone I have a kind of weird question for yall and I'm not 100% sure this is the right channel for it. But I was wondering if I could get some cpu temp readings from others who have a similar specced pc to mine while playing satisfactory. I have an an i9-13900k with a 4090 and 32gb 6200mhz ram and my cpu is consistently hitting mid to high 90s Celsius even when on low graphics. I have switched between low and ultra thinking maybe the added gpu requirement would help relieve the cpu a little but that was not the case lol. I'm curious if this is normal for others as well since this cpu does tend to run hot (even though I dont have near these temps in other games) or if I just need to bite the bullet and repaste. Thanks!

[stray badger]

Well, what cooler are you using?

[sand saddle]

Sounds a bit high, but not unheard of for that cpu, you could undervolt the cpu

Cpu contact frame is also great. ~$10 Thermalright LGA1700 contact frame on amazon.

[drifting yew]

I actually just read about those and im about to order one. Im thinking I didnt get great contact all over this time around and read that a lot of people saw drops as much as 10c using one of them. And as for undervolting I've never done that before, as much crap as I have done with my pc I dont tend to mess with power at all lol

[drifting yew]

CORSAIR iCUE Link H150i

[sand saddle]

Undervolting is safe, just need to find the point of no crashing(instability)

But it can’t harm the PC

[drifting yew]

Hmm Ill look more into it. I've heard a lot of people talking about it especially with the 13900k due to the heat but I've never seen much issue with my temps until now to care.

[abstract hawk]

Any mouse recommendations? Looking for a decently light mouse with at least two side buttons, preferably below the 100$ mark

Wired isn’t a problem

[jagged snow]

I really like the g403

[wanton orchid]

I dont think 90 C is nice for intels
even though amd ryzen are supporting up 95 commonly now
it's not the same processing

[jagged snow]

It's not uncommon on the high end chips

[tough owl]

g305

[wanton orchid]

I'm running 7000/9000 series intel
which if going 90 are wearing down
they are only meant to get around 75 to 80

[jagged snow]

Looks like a space ship, bad hand feel imo

You edited 😭

[abstract hawk]

This is like my second pick , rn I’m looking at aerox/rival 5. Any reason I should pick the g403 over this?

[tough owl]

[wanton orchid]

btw my pc is back up after 2 months, with a new cpu and cooler

now stuck at 50C

[tough owl]

that’s pretty cold

[jagged snow]

g403 hero likely has a better sensor, but in that 40-50 dollar price bracket it mostly comes down to hand feel
None of those mice have tilt on the scroll wheel

[abstract hawk]

What is tilt on scroll wheel?

[jagged snow]

Some mice let you push the scroll wheel to the side, which gives you two extra mappable buttons
Typically used for side scrolling by default

[abstract hawk]

Huh

[jagged snow]

My previous mouse had it, I liked it

[abstract hawk]

What mouse has that?

Or is it like a price jump to 150$

[jagged snow]

A lot of office focused mice or high end gaming mice
Also my EVGA mouse

Pretty hit or miss, not something people are usually looking to pay extra for

[abstract hawk]

Yeah. I am planning to use this mouse for office and gaming

So might be worth looking into

My hands get hot while gaming I kinda wanted to get the mesh mouse from steel series but I don’t know if it’s worth the 30 extra $

[jagged snow]

My g403 gets used for gaming wnd office work/software dev

[wanton orchid]

I like side wheel, because it can be binded on stuff like pings

[jagged snow]

Just get a desk fan at that point

[abstract hawk]

I have negative desk space

[jagged snow]

Mesh mice are a nightmare to clean and not super comfortable for long periods

[abstract hawk]

I was wondering about the cleaning aspect

Nobody likes nasty mice

[tough owl]

dust on the components 🥰

[abstract hawk]

I was thinking more like dead skin cells and grease

[tough owl]

isn’t dust majorly dead skin cells?

[jagged snow]

Yes, it will all collect in there and you'll spend hours with a toothpick trying to get it out

[jagged snow]

Depends where you live

But keyboard/mouse grime usually is

[abstract hawk]

Especially if it’s a $ per gram removed. I just want something a bit lighter than like 150

[abstract hawk]

Ew. Cleaning my keyboard is already enough for me. I’ll stick to normal then

[jagged snow]

@abstract hawk btw, worth mentioning that you'll want the g403 hero

If you're in the states anyways

It's on a huge discount on Amazon currently

[abstract hawk]

What’s the difference between?

Also damn you’re right almost 40%

Is there a g403 but with more side buttons it’s ok if not(especially if it’s not on sale)

[jagged snow]

The hero has a much better sensor

[abstract hawk]

Ah, awesome

[tough owl]

Is a constant sale still considered a sale

[drifting yew]

I've read in a lot of places that 90-100 is normal for the 13900k but that doesnt sit right with me either seems too high for them.

[jagged snow]

Not really considering that's the price I bought mine at two years ago

[abstract hawk]

Lmao

It’s 70 on their store so ig they don’t want people to buy it from there

[tough owl]

Logitech is king of sale price constantly being lower than msrp

[jagged snow]

That would be the g604, runs over a hundred bucks

[abstract hawk]

Ew no

I hate those style of mouse

Lamborghini of mice

[tough owl]

mmo mouse

[abstract hawk]

(Tells you what I think about Lamborghini lol)

I’m gonna get the 403

44$ isn’t bad at all

[tough owl]

marketed to different kinds of people ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[abstract hawk]

It will be a massive upgrade

Question: is it 87 grams with or without the weight

Not that 10g matters tbh

[tough owl]

Likely without

[abstract hawk]

Thanks for all the help guys I appreciate it

[twin dew]

Current ones should be good to the throttle limit (100C?) for multiple hours per day for 10 years.
Not sure if it was 4, 6 or 8 hours per day.

[wanton orchid]

ok, so they definetly raised the line

at 80c my motherboard shutdown

[twin dew]

The "How many Starship refueling flights are needed" is unknown as this time is because even SpaceX still doesn't have idea how much Starship will be able to launch to orbit in that point in time.
And how much loss will there be over time etc.
Because they are doing hardware rich development, not the "classic" one.

But so much of the problems come from that "Orion cannot get to LLO" point, as the service module is way undersized.

Because Orion was originally supposed to launch on Ares I, and Ares V was supposed to launch a boost stage + lander.

So Orion isn't optimized to current plan, but it will be used anyways as the money was spent and that what they have.
And everything else is crafted to fit that, even when the plan is idiotic... (NRHO orbit rendevous etc.)

Ok, originally Orion is from time from before even the Ares I and V...

Just that the original Mars Orion was almost completely redesigned for Ares I and Moon mission, as the Ares I was anemic in lift capacity.
And the Ares I Orion hasn't been redesigned after.

Completely redesigned, just "tweaks" here and there.

[languid gulch]

yea, it's making way too many assumptions about some magical infrastructure that's supposed to exist & be nice & stable & ready for them

[twin dew]

The Lander stuff (SpaceX Starship etc.) is because the original lander was cancelled.
And new one got any funding way too late, and way too little for "standard" NASA way.
And so SpaceX was only one with anywhere near lowball offer enough.

2.9B, when the other option at that point was 10B, when there was only that 2.9B funding available from Congress.

Same with the suits.
Got funding multiple years too late.

[languid gulch]

it reminds me of the old soviet stuff, where it kinda looks ok on paper, but has 0 basis in reality

[twin dew]

But the weird thing is, I expect the Starship to work better once it is actually expected to work, than any of the NASA stuff.
Just that we are currently in early stages of that program.
As SpaceX works in completely different way than "old-space"

But NASA and Artemis is fucked because of politics, since before the current program even existed.

[languid gulch]

idk if the starship part is ever going to have people on it

that flip maneuver is fucking terrifying

for landing equipment on the moon & coming back, maybe

[twin dew]

Not used for Lunar Starship.
Point is that SpaceX gets one Lunar Starship to NRHO.
And then SLS launches Orion to rendevous with it.
Then Lunar Starship lands on moon.
And then later gets back to NRHO.
Where the people move back into Orion, and return to earth.

[languid gulch]

oh i meant landing on earth 🤣

[twin dew]

Yeah, but that is in far future for humans, if ever.
It is aspirational goal, SpaceX has said that hopefully after 100+ succesful landings without people.

Would you be afraid to take a ride in Falcon 9 first stage at this point?
For launch where it is planned to be recovered?

[languid gulch]

honestly, yea, still

now, if there was a detachable crew capsule that could land under chute, kinda like the blue origin thing, then maybe

now, if i was getting paid several million to do it, with a contract to also be paid to my family if i got killed? then maybe

[twin dew]

Last landing failure was in 2021.
With the current Block 5 at somewhere around 279 out of 283 (98.6%) success rate.

Including the early stuff.

Probably currently higher, as not sure how recent that number is.

[languid gulch]

i wish they put a g-meter on the first stage so we can see what the burns do

[twin dew]

But so much wrong in Artemis because this simple thing from having to use Orion as it was designed for completely different use:

And SLS is the clusterfuck it is because of Congressional mandate to NASA.

To keep the money rolling to same companies as Shuttle.

And then the other stuff doesn't have enough money as SLS is giant moneysink and Orion is big moneysink.
But redesigning either to be actually usable isn't on table because how much that would cost.
And dropping either isn't on table either, because of the sunk costs (and politics).

[sand saddle]

VGN R1 Pro (Max) from aliexpress

It's a high end mouse

The popular mice are so overpriced

Darmoshark M3 Pro if you want big, though M3s Pro is smaller so just a decent alternative

[abstract hawk]

I heard about damoshark after I bought it lol

[sand saddle]

Zaopin Z2 if for some reason you want hotswap, also slightly ergo and has the 4k dongle, grips and extra skates included. A bit heavier compared to the others.

[abstract hawk]

Thanks though

[sand saddle]

Can't you just return?

The aliexpress shit competes with mice 3x the cost.

So a $60 mouse from best buy is a $20 mouse from ali basically

The R1 pro (max) competes with superlight 2

[sand saddle]

I really don't see much point in recommending logitech mice at all. The aliexpress NORDIC 52840 chip and PAW3395 sensor mice are fucking bonkers rn.
All cost around $40-50 and compete with the superlight 2.

Ofc not all might come with the best build quality so I'd go with ones that have a decent amount of reviews on them.

[abstract hawk]

Hmm okay I’ll see what I can do

[sand saddle]

Remove https

Or DM

[abstract hawk]

www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006247208677.html

whoops

[sand saddle]

Idk, just find the cheapest seller with some reviews for the model you want.

[abstract hawk]

alr

[jagged snow]

The logi mouse I recommended is $44

[sand saddle]

Indeed

Pretty shit if you can get a mouse comparable to superlight 2 for that price

[tough owl]

I need to seriously consider aliexpress as a marketplace more often

[tough owl]

Is there anything I can buy to prevent sound from other rooms coming into my room via the air duct

[jagged snow]

Just set up a cheap baffle system with some sound foam

That's your best bet

[tough owl]

to the hardware store I go tomorrow after work then

gotta get some stuff to ship two hard drives too so that’s gonna be fun

[jagged snow]

Oof, shipping drives

[tough owl]

lots of bubble wrap and a decently large box?

[jagged snow]

Should do it

Or some old mattress foam

[tough owl]

I don’t have any of that

[obtuse geyser]

GPU recommendation / tech problems:

My GPU (5700XT) refuses to go into low power mode when my main screen is at full frequency, or when I connect additional screens. My setup is 1440p + side 1920x1200. The second screen is currently running off separate GPU (gs210), because I could't bear the noise. I want to run all screens from single gpu.

The problem doesn't seem to be based on total pixel count, as I can easily run 4k and it stays low power, nor on the available bandwidth, as I can run said 4k on 100Hz.
Yet, the only way to run two screens when connected to 5700XT was to run them both was at 1440p@30Hz + 1200p@45hz. Which is unacceptable.
If I go above that, or connect additional screen, the gpu mem clock goes from 200mhz to 1700, wattage from 9W to 40W and it starts spinning the fans every couple minutes (absolutely infuriating, because my pc has all fans off)

Trying to google if that issue is commonplace, and there are reviews claiming multi-monitor setups cause higher power draw for multiple cards. At the same time, when I asked folks around, they never have such problem.
Planning to upgrade to new GPU and looking for one that can support mutiple screens without blasting fans every five mins.
-> Gpu recommendations?

To sum up my research:
1x1440p@60Hz -> low power
1x1440p@120hz -> low power
1x1440p@144hz -> high power
1x1440p@60Hz + 1080p@60Hz -> high power
1x1440p@30hz + 1080p@45hz -> low power
1x4k@60hz -> low power
1x4k@100Hz -> low power

Pic of how low vs high power looks in radeon manager below.

[jagged snow]

Yeah, well known quirk of rdna

[obtuse geyser]

Does that mean nvidia doesnt have said problem?

[jagged snow]

Your more pressing issue is that your vram is putting out so much heat that the fans need to spin up

That's the more unusual behavior

[obtuse geyser]

see the 10W vs 33W board power. on attached picture. I reckon 33W is more than passive airflow can take off.

[jagged snow]

What card specifically?

And what do your fan curves look like?

[obtuse geyser]

Gigabyte 5700XT Aorus 8G. Stock fan curves, nothing touched.

[jagged snow]

Might just need to fiddle with your curves then

[obtuse geyser]

I think the card using 300% of base iddle power when connecting a side screen is the core issue to fix here

unless the curves allow me to turn fans off until 80C?

[jagged snow]

Yeah

Or you could just disable the silent fan mode

[obtuse geyser]

...wouldnt that cause fans to spin all the time?

[wanton orchid]

if you have not too bad setup
you can ask fans to ramp up slowly
so if you ask them to stay very low speed until 60C for instance, you will very much ease the annoyance

[obtuse geyser]

neither radeon software nor afterburner wont let me set fan speed below 33% so no dice.

The card has fan-stop. the fans never spin.

unless the problem with high memclock is happening, then they do after five mins, spin for 20 seconds then go to sleep again.

[wanton orchid]

why I think cooling industry have some brains still to get purred in ..

[obtuse geyser]

I lost my faith when I doscovered that on r270 the fan control routines are software/driver not hardware.
The fan didnt even start without driver running 🤣

[wanton orchid]

I think one of the reasons is because if you want stable temperatures/cooling watercooling is the way to go

but even watercooling market still have pretty stupid products

[obtuse geyser]

My setup is perfectly fine, as long as the card doesnt ramp memclock to 1700 for absolutely no reason.

[wanton orchid]

what is the driver smoking

maybe set some frame rate limiter

[obtuse geyser]

I have a total of 2 fans spinning at 200rpm, and could actually have them off.
My cpu fan is off until 60+C
GPU fan doesnt spoin until 60C by design.
My psu fan doesnt spin either (I think it still works)

[wanton orchid]

So that stupid app stop busy spinning rendering

[obtuse geyser]

Desktop. one strong pot.

there is 0% gpu load. only thing happening is second screen being attached.

I don't think rendering a fullhd empty desktop needs additional 20W of power

[wanton orchid]

something is busy spinning

[obtuse geyser]

0% load.

[wanton orchid]

I don't care

I didn't say it was your software

I'm talking about the card

[obtuse geyser]

Looks like driver problem with bump to 1700mhz, but no version from 4 years to now solved that. Or a hardware problem

[wanton orchid]

if what's busy spinning is hardware I'm done

[obtuse geyser]

Does other video card have this problem too? Or just particular model? whole brand?

[wanton orchid]

this would mean the gpu design is testing prototype tier

[wanton orchid]

particular models

and driver versions

Nvidia had them too recently

may be linked to windows 11 graphic driver handling changes

what os are you using ?

[obtuse geyser]

not likely. driver from 2019 has had the very same problem.

win10 2019H2 as well as newest edition both have the problem.

[wanton orchid]

wdym not likely
of-course new driver is not supposed introduce that kind of big issues
but some versions deals with it

[obtuse geyser]

tried several, none helped.

[wanton orchid]

I mean it was supposed to be fixed

[jagged snow]

It's not for no reason

[obtuse geyser]

I have installed the version that listed it as fixed and it did not fix anything

[jagged snow]

As far as I know there is no fix

[obtuse geyser]

Oh, I have found a harware fix.

[jagged snow]

The hardware design of those architectures meant that they couldn't handle pixel draw rates above some limit without clicking the memory up very aggressively

[jagged snow]

Other than changing refresh rate/resolution/color depth

[obtuse geyser]

Don't think its rates. Or pixel count. 4k at 100hz has twice the rate and pixel count, yet does not trigger the issue

[jagged snow]

It becomes an issue when you split it into separate outputa

There's essentially no limit with a single monitor

[wanton orchid]

looks like missing multi screen gpu testing methodology in amd development book

[obtuse geyser]

My hardware fix requires an old gs210 office gpu and an angle grinder.
Cut a notch to make it fit into pciex x1 slot. tape over unused connectors on spine. Connect extra screens.
But this disables resizable bar, because my mb cannot comprehend having two video cards.

[obtuse geyser]

happens on 165hz with single screen too.

[jagged snow]

Yeah, something that got missed very early in the development process

[jagged snow]

Ah, good to know

[wanton orchid]

So basically, output buffer dispatch is fucked up

[jagged snow]

Something along those lines

[obtuse geyser]

should I look for usb 3.0 to hdmi adapters on amazon to 'fix' the issue?

[jagged snow]

I believe they fixed it with rdna3

[obtuse geyser]

Reviews list multi-monitor as still 30W 😕

[jagged snow]

Huh

I believe nvidia has similar behavior as well, they just don't clock up so aggressively

[obtuse geyser]

according to same review, yes, they double iddle power draw with extra screens. My presumption would be this will cause them to overheat and spin fans too.

Any idea how to solve this conundrum?
I'd like to keep both screens on at comfortable 60Hz.
And get rid of second internal gpu to enable BAR

[wanton orchid]

they had very bad issues with idle power rising up to 100W before multiple drivers fix

[obtuse geyser]

eww.
If green company has the same problem as red company, then I may as well just pick any, preferably with 16G of ram

Wonder if the point at which card starts clocking up is the same for all models or if there is a difference. Got to max 45hz@Full hd + 30hz at Qhd before it started yanking clocks up.

[obtuse geyser]

Going back to reserach:
Who here has multiple screens hooked up, and has or has not the problem with card not downclocking fully? Screen size/hz + gpu make?
(you may need to go into gpu driver utility or launch hardware monitor to see if draws more than 10-15W and if the fans are spinning up periodically. If I just made you aware of problem you didn't know you had, I'm sorry)

[wanton orchid]

why being sorry ?

being aware is never a problem

[stray badger]

I will find out if the 7900 GRE does that under mesa drivers sometime soon

[stray badger]

by sometime soon i mean quite some time

i gotta wait for the parts, then for the next monitor, then to actually build and setup the thing

[languid gulch]

i still love my 6800XT/1440p UW setup

[twin dew]

Nvidia has AFAIK had similar "problems".

@obtuse geyser
Just the case where the monitor combination causes more VRAM accesses than the idle clocks can handle.
And there isn't any midpoint clocks before the full VRAM speed.

Ah, sorry, was talked later in the conversation.

Running 2x 1080@144 on RX6600 and VRAM doesn't clock down from 1740MHz, for 16-17W GPU idle power.
VDDIO using 7.5W and VDDCI_MEM using 5W. (Memory related, chips and memory controller)
VDDCR_SOC at 1W and VDDCR_GFX at 0.5W. (GPU related)

When I switch both to 60Hz, the memory clocks go to average of 10MHz, and total power drops to 4-5W.

Both at 100Hz still idles, even one at 120Hz doesn't idle memory.

So probably that there isn't enough downtime between the accesses for rendering the frames when the refresh rate is high with multiple monitors. (Race to idle).
And might get the same with single monitor once refresh rate hits high enough value.

As in 120+60 didn't idle, 100+100 did idle.

And I'm using 10bit colors and freesync for both monitors, might be relevant to exact numbers.

[languid gulch]

when i was on my 6600XT, it didn't like when my monitors were at their native 75Hz/144Hz, so i had to drop them to 60/120 to stop the occasional flickering

[twin dew]

That was probably cable problem.

[languid gulch]

was on DP for one, hdmi for the other

[twin dew]

Switching between uncompressed and compressed modes on DisplayPort when the cable is marginal for the settings.

For the uncompressed mode.

[languid gulch]

using the same cables now, & my 6800XT is fine running them at 75/144

[twin dew]

The tranceiver quality etc. and contact quality come into play too.
You might now be just above the problem point.

Or crosstalk in the GPU PCB causing enough degradation of signal when combined with the marginal cable etc.

[languid gulch]

it did kinda start to feel like i was pushing the 6600XT a bit too much in those days

[edgy hazel]

Nothing better than starting the week with a ticket of someone absolutely demolishing the screen of their brand new laptop on their first day of work...

[stray badger]

Nice

[jagged snow]

I truly do question how some people made it to a professional environment

[pure karma]

well if there isent education for the domain offered you cant expect professionals in a professional environment

[edgy hazel]

No type of workshop, training or schooling prepares you for the difficult job of not having your USB-C connector between keyboard and screen when closing the laptop

[jagged snow]

That just takes common sense

@fallow cloud in that price bracket, you're probably better off going with last gen hardware

[fallow cloud]

oh yeah

what would u recommend me

[jagged snow]

How soon are you planning to buy?

And what part of the eu are you in?

[fallow cloud]

spain

im planning to buy a new pc but im not in a rush

[jagged snow]

What marketplaces do you prefer to buy from?

[fallow cloud]

any

the cheapest

[jagged snow]

Not sure about what's avaliable over there

Also, are you okay with buying used?

[maiden coyote]

I was looking at getting a 4060... but meh

[jagged snow]

I definitely wouldn't

They're wildly overpriced
Solid cards if you can find them on a really good deal

[maiden coyote]

I'm better off getting an amd gpu and forgetting about using the nuc for ai

[dire igloo]

Used Nvidia could be an option

[maiden coyote]

I've got a 2080ti.. but if I got the 4060 ti 16gb that would let me run larger models..

[jagged snow]

AMD supposedly has some solid neural performance improvements in the pipeline on both the software and hardware sides, but I wouldnh't bet on them closing that gap anytime soon

[fallow cloud]

yes

4060 is straight garbage

[maiden coyote]

if you want ai, nivida is your only option right now.

[fallow cloud]

overpriced and not good

i would stay at 2080ti

its still solid

[maiden coyote]

it only has 11gb of vram.

[fallow cloud]

how much u need

[jagged snow]

By the way, I'd recommend buying two more fans for your case if you haven't already
The single fan that comes stock will cause you problems

Do you want to use this for anything other than gaming?

[maiden coyote]

all of it more memory is better LLM's eat vram.. The 2080 ti is fast, and it preforms really well with those kinds of workloads.

Anyway, sorry to hijack helping someone with pc stuff.

[jagged snow]

Man, your regional pricing is rough

I forgot that only amazon.com is whitelisted

Now I have to redo that

[twin dew]

And even that shouldn't be, but it is some Discord/Bot wide thing that mods cannot override.

[jagged snow]

I'd recommend any used 5800x or 5800x3d that you can find for under 200€(Like this www.ebay.es/itm/296423551955)
Pair it with a quality kit of ddr4 3600, this corsair kit should be solid. You could likely find a better deal if you didn't want rgb www.amazon.es/Corsair-Vengeance-2x16GB-PC4-28800-Optimized/dp/B082DGZJ9C/ref=sr_1_7
Any quality b550 board that you can find for under 100€(This board should be solid bwww.amazon.es/Gigabyte-Technology-B550M-AORUS-Elite/dp/B08BN8VD23/ref=sr_1_3)
@dire igloo or several others are more up to date on drives than I, so they can probably give you a better reccomendation there. Your cpu cooler is a solid pick, no need to change that.

@fallow cloud see above ^

[dire igloo]

ironically, Corsair DDR4 isn't quality DDR4, their binning is pretty bad - that said, DDR4 at those speeds is all over the place anyway, so just get the cheapest

[jagged snow]

Yeah, 3600 is pretty hit and miss for whatever reason

[dire igloo]

idk about the rest of the stuff or the context here, but it sounds like a Satisfactory PC

[jagged snow]

You'll usually be alright getting rated xmp out of it there 🤷‍♂️

[dire igloo]

only if you want to do manual OC - for XMP, they're all pretty much the same

[fallow cloud]

i wouldnt go am4 honestly

[maiden coyote]

b-die or whatever the craze was is pretty hard to find now too. I don't even think it's made anymore.

[jagged snow]

Why's that?

[dire igloo]

probably EOL platform

[jagged snow]

You're getting a lot more performance at a significantly cheaper price than your 7500f setup

[dire igloo]

@fallow cloud did you write about your build requirements anywhere?

[jagged snow]

No, and already bought a bunch of parts

[dire igloo]

as long as cache doesn't matter, 5800X3D = 7600 = 7500F

5800X is out

[jagged snow]

5800x is the same price as most of the others currently

[maiden coyote]

AM4 is still solid. it's EOL, but cpu's don't really advance the way they used to.. something that's 4 years old is still perfectly useable.

Also am4 ryzen 3000 and newer should have rebar support.

[dire igloo]

Ryzen 3000 had 4-core CCX, 5000 brought 8-core CCX. so unless you like cross-CCX latency, I'd skip 3000 series - and 3600 is basically 5500 which is barely better than a 12100F

[maiden coyote]

but if they've already bought the motherboard and cpu.. might as well use it if they're not willing or can't return it.

[jagged snow]

I absolutely would not go with ryzen 3000 at this point

[jagged snow]

Nope, bought gpu, case, and ssd

oh and PSU
Unfortunately, not picks I'd reccomend for any of them

List for reference https://es.pcpartpicker.com/list/syHZyg

[dire igloo]

oh holy fuckin shit

[jagged snow]

Yeah

[dire igloo]

why does the worst stuff have to be the already owned stuff?

[maiden coyote]

my SO is pretty happy with her 3600x. if I was building a new system or didn't already have the cpu I would've gone with 5000 series. sometimes you have to use what you've got.

it's an upgrade from her intel 7700.

[dire igloo]

any of them returnable?

[maiden coyote]

goodram D:

[jagged snow]

@fallow cloud?

But yeah, case is bad, psu is not the best, ssd is terrible, 6600 is not a super good choice

And no reason was given to go matx

[fallow cloud]

modify the list or me please

no

not returnabnle, bought those pieces ages ago

[dire igloo]

ah, so you're reusing them from an old rig

still pretty much all low end shit

[fallow cloud]

yea

[maiden coyote]

so you're building a medium-end rig with low end shit.

If you want to reuse the gpu, that's understandable. even the case. I'd really recommend at least getting a better ssd, and psu.

[obtuse geyser]

5800X3D may or may not run 3600 ram, its a hit and miss with dice lottery. Mine refuses to do 3600. So don't overspend on better ram, 3200 with good timings may be better deal (and can often run 3600 too)

[jagged snow]

What board do you have?

[obtuse geyser]

Damn you, I didn't know 7900 GRE existed, and its almost the price of 7800xt here... What model you have/recommend?
Waiting for results of those screen tests.

[obtuse geyser]

me? The same that my ryzen 3600 used when running same ram at 3600mhz (cpu swap), so cpu mem controller problem.

[jagged snow]

Interesting

[obtuse geyser]

not really. the chip is rated 3200mhz like ryzen3600, so anything above is the silicon lottery for the soc chiplet, and I rolled low on mine.

[jagged snow]

Either way, 3600 is so cheap nowadays that there's not much reason to avoid it

[twin dew]

What VDIMM and VSOC voltages were used with the 5800X3D when it couldn't do 3600MT/s DRAM speed?

[obtuse geyser]

Standard. rising them did not improve anything, could not boot.
Ryzen 3600 in same board on stock settings did 3600 on ram no prob.

[twin dew]

There aren't standard voltages above 3200MT/s.
VDIMM always depends on the XMP.
And the VSOC depends on MB, BIOS-version and DRAM speed set.

When on Auto.

[obtuse geyser]

All I'm saying, if one chip can do 3600mhz on stock voltage and the other cannot boot, with no other parts and setting changed, the issue must stem from the chip (soc part). I did not pursue overvolting the soc too high because I don't want to generate extra heat. With very large cache having lower ram speed should not matter for 5800x3d

[twin dew]

And with 3000 and 5000 series Ryzens, everything above 3200MT/s is OC.
Just that 3600MT/s should be doable on (almost) all chips by AMD:s marketing.

[jagged snow]

And by prevailing experience

[twin dew]

Yup.

[jagged snow]

I don't know of anyone else that has been completely unable to get it working

[twin dew]

"Stock voltage" still doesn't exist for 3600MT/s RAM speed...
Which is why I was asking.

And in most cases even "3200MT/s" specced RAM only works to 2133MT/s or like on all defaults, without XMP, which also almost always raises the VDIMM from the stock for DDR4.

[maiden coyote]

could've also just been that cpu didn't like his memory?

[twin dew]

Same IOD in 3000-series and 5000-series multichip AMD CPUs.

Exact same chip design on same process.

[maiden coyote]

So one chip is fine with the same memory and settings and the other isn't. xmp set to default 3600 mt/s profile

[twin dew]

Not sure if set to XMP, or just tried to set frequency without XMP...

[maiden coyote]

The only time I've had it not work was with a 1600af.. and it turned out one of the modules were damaged

3600 wouldn't boot.. 3200 ran fine until it didn't. then it was crashing at 2133

[obtuse geyser]

Mine worked fine on 3600mhz CL16 1.36V on one chip (ryzen 3600) but would not boot with same settings on 5800X3D. Nothing on ram side I could change, 3400 didn't boot either.
Currently running 3200Mhz CL14, works stable.

Did not pursue further tuning as hard-restting cmos and having to redo all mb settings is no fun.

[twin dew]

Either you got very crappy roll in silicon lottery for the IOD, or there was something going wrong with the BIOS or AGESA version in use.

[obtuse geyser]

I updated bios to newest before dropping in new cpu, so only cpu has changed between tests. Low roll for SoC on new cpu is my conclusion.

[charred pewter]

😦

mine has been rock solid stable at stock bios .... i didnt try playing with any oc ... maybe i should, but ... ehhhhhh

i had once thought i had flakey ram ... it was doing unpredictable things too, changing speeds around not seeming to help, until it did, then didnt ......... turns out it was the actual leads on the motherboard to the ram slots. one lead was 'scuffed' by the cpu heatsink mount peg 😛

[maiden coyote]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sGKQbL hm. might go with a different ssd

cpu cooler could be better too. but that's about the only thing that'll fit in a 2U chassis.

this is for a future satisfactory dedi. I might be better off going with the 5600G for this build because I think satisfactory needs dx support to launch the server.

[edgy hazel]

[maiden coyote]

no

[edgy hazel]

oh cmon

[maiden coyote]

no water in my rack

It's not worth the chance of a leak to me, I'd rather have the cpu throttle under an all core load that likely won't happen unless I rent out the server to several people

[tough owl]

It likely never will if you have an adequate air cooler

https://www.amazon.com/Dynatron-A24-Aluminum-Stacked-Cooler/dp/B07BVSLS1L

[dire igloo]

how about AXP120?

P3 is low end QLC, low speed and low endurance, avoid it.
For US market, VP4300 Lite is the best deal rn - high performance (MAP1602 + YMTC 232L TLC) and only a few dollars more than P3

[jagged snow]

Technically the wrong channel, but I'll awnser it here

Firstly, what cpu are you using, and how much memory do you have?

[edgy hazel]

this should really go into #1038092680493801533

[jagged snow]

Probably best to post there, yes

[dense locust]

Oh sorry. Well thanks for taking the time anyways 🙏🏼 I'll post it there again

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-bow-michael-scott-the-office-gif-18616386

[jagged snow]

Bummer, will need to replace that

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/aaaa-gif-24974026

[jagged snow]

Made it 5 years, can't complain too much

[edgy hazel]

electrical tape will prolly do aswell

[jagged snow]

That'll be the temp solution until I can solder a new one

[stray badger]

Sapphire pulse is cheap and very good

[cobalt ivy]

exuse me i detected hawking radiation coming out of ur space ship. send me ur stuff ill hold onto it for you

[jagged snow]

OoenAi announced their new model today

Gpt4o

Also solid move from valve
https://twitter.com/SteamDB/status/1789070453962588600

SteamDB (@SteamDB) on X

Steam is now refunding Ghost of Tsushima for people in affected countries.

Twitter · May 10, 2024, 11:10 PM

[wanton orchid]

Valve balls >>> all

[gilded helm]

Ars' description of it nuts. I sort of expected this sort of rapid progress, yet it's still surprising to see it anyway.

[stray badger]

valve is probably demanding money back from Sony too

[jagged snow]

Oh I'm sure

[winged valley]

why is it always 0x000001

What would 1x000001 mean?

I've never seen anything other than 0x######## before

[jagged snow]

I really need context for that

[winged valley]

Generic addressing offsets

it's always 0x###, why not 1x### or even Fx###?

[jagged snow]

0x just denotes that it's hexadecimal

[winged valley]

So this is incorrect then

[jagged snow]

Yes

0x0011 is 0000000000010001 in binary

[winged valley]

You really went out of your way to type all 16 bits lmao

[jagged snow]

Didn't take that long

If you know how to translate hex it's very straightforward

[languid gulch]

i wonder if Steam can do those refunds & then file it as a loss on their taxes, & that's why they're willing to do it

[stray badger]

They are almost certainly making sony pay due to sony essentially scamming people

[tough owl]

I don’t know how steams payment system works but it might just be a deduction on what they payout to Sony and we’re like Ayo we didn’t send you X amount of dollars because X amount of people refunded

[languid gulch]

i mean, it'd be nice if it actually kicked sony in the teeth

[winged valley]

If it's anything like The Day Before, they made Sony pay

My understanding of Valve's refund policies is that it's less about Valve not wanting to give you the money, and more about Valve not wanting to deal with the developer

[mental oriole]

It comes from telling the compiler the number is hexadecimal, and the zero is "needed" otherwise the notation would be considered a variable name.
Also 0b (binary), and 0o (octal), same principle as hex notation.

[maiden coyote]

I'm sure valve took their money straight out of sony's bank account.

[twin dew]

No, just "removed" money from the Valve side ledger about how much to pay Sony, as Steam proceeds are only paid once per month.
So same thing, but just Valve/Steam "account", not actual bank account.

So probably negative now and will stay for months.

[languid gulch]

i hope sony's other distributors are taking a 2nd look at their contracts to see if they wanna still deal with them

[sharp oasis]

@twin dew I need to hunt the PCIe lane count documentation for zen 3 I remember us chatting about some misconceptions I had about how it worked a wile ago. By chance do you have any of the documents that I linked/ you linked at that time it appears I cannot find them again.

I seems to have memory of it saying 20+2 (the +2 being motherboard dependant for ryzen 5k series)

And then the 4 for chipset

[twin dew]

24 total, with 4x meant for chipset.

How AMD says it:

So 16+4+4, with 16+4 usable after chipset.

But that isn't Zen3 thing, it is IOD thing.

As Ryzen 3000:s are Zen 2 and Ryzen 5000:s are Zen 3 for the CCD chips, but use same IOD (for the multidies, the APUs are different)

[sharp oasis]

Yesb

I must have a issue in my memory somewhere

I remember seeing a 20+2 (mother board dependant) somewhere on AMD's site

[twin dew]

And the chip could be used without chipset in theory, and the chipset links used for other stuff.
And the 4x could be split into 2x PCIe and 2x SATA for that.

[sharp oasis]

But can't find it.

[twin dew]

Pobably from this or like, where the chipset links are listed multiple times.

This is better:

Still mixing stuff, but the link count on left of the CPU is right.
Just that the 4x going right is included in left too still.

But not included twice.

[sharp oasis]

Are the two other lanes being fed into sata controllers

As yeah I see the 24

[twin dew]

No, just that the 16x+4x+4x, the middle 4x can also do 2x PCIe + 2x SATA.

[sharp oasis]

Ahhhhhhhh

I seeeee

[twin dew]

Like the 16x can do 8x+8x split or 4x+4x+4x+4x split.

[sharp oasis]

Still 24. But different ways to allocate

[twin dew]

Yes.

Same as the chipset on right.
Has 8x+4x+4x where the 4x:s can do 4x SATA instead of 4x PCIe each.

So you can do MB with either from chipset:
16 PCIe lanes
12 PCIe lanes, 4 SATA ports
8 PCIe lanes, 8 SATA ports

With the X570 chipset.

And the IOD in 3000 and 5000 series Ryzen multichips can do 24 PCIe or 22 PCIe and 2 SATA.

[sharp oasis]

Yeeee

Thanks a ton.

I knew I was not misremembering

I didn't know the full picture

[twin dew]

With Intel chipsets, you have to choose between PCIe, SATA and USB 3 for the chipset "ports".
With some being able to only do one of them, some able to do either of two.

[sharp oasis]

There's a mobo that doesn't have a chipset and just feeds all lanes direct

Iirc A300 or so

[twin dew]

Yes, you can use AMD CPUs as SOCs, which is the point of the SATA port support and so many USB ports in the CPU itself.

Without chipset.

[sharp oasis]

Ye

That's pretty cool tbh

Thanks for the help. I couldn't find the spec sheets for some reason

I thought it was something to do with chipset only using 2 lanes rather then 4

[twin dew]

Z170 chipset, so old, but same is still true for newer ones, just couldn't find similar pic quickly:

[sharp oasis]

And just having gen4 to chipset and then gen 3 from chipset

And have lanes share bandwith

[twin dew]

So in each column, you have to select one function in that Intel chipset.

[sharp oasis]

Ye I see

So that's why they shared bandwidth

[twin dew]

So with 3000 or 5000 series chiplet Ryzen in SOC mode, you can have either 16+4+4 PCIe with 0 SATA, or 16+2+4 PCIe with 2 SATA.

And the blocks of PCIe can be split further.
The 16x up to 4x4x4x4x and the 4x and 2x up to 1x:s

[sharp oasis]

Yeah

Is there any practical use for those two leftover lanes

Or do they just get to sit unused.

[twin dew]

What leftover lanes?

[sharp oasis]

When you use sata

It only used 2x iirc

Or am I misunderstanding

[twin dew]

And left 2x of PCIe free like I said.
That can also be used as 1x+1x.

[sharp oasis]

Aye

So they are useable damn.

That's kinda cool

[twin dew]

So you could have 16x PCIe, then two 1x slots of PCIe, 4x M2. slot and 2x SATA.

[sharp oasis]

Yeah

[twin dew]

And in theory the chipset doesn't have to be 4x connected.
But that would more severely limit the bandwidth of the chipset connected devices.

But the chipset is just another PCIe device to the CPU.

Which is why X670 chipset is possible, which is just two daisy-chained B650 chips.

At least AFAIK AMD just uses standard PCIe, where as Intel has modified version.

[sharp oasis]

Ye

Damn yeah thanks for the rundown

[twin dew]

So now the rumors are that RDNA4 will come out as Navi 48 and Navi 44.
So seems Navi 41, 42 and possibly 43 were cancelled and replaces with "crash" redesign 48...

To probably go from chiplets to monolithic, as the interposer production is all going to the huge AI accelerators.

[edgy hazel]

The only thing helldivers didn't do was put a "YOU'RE FIGHTING FOR THE BAD GUYS" on the loading screen

[twin dew]

Large percentage of the population is blind to "not in your face" politics etc.
Same thing with Homelander being thought as Good Guy, and Star Trek and Star Wars being non-political etc. XD

[edgy hazel]

Ah yes. Star Trek. The most apolitical show ever

[twin dew]

Yup...

[mental oriole]

[twin dew]

Not noticing that Rage Against the Machine makes songs with politically motivated lyrics 🤣

The amount of US right-wing politicians playing "Born in the U.S.A." in rallies is just weird...
But seems that that crowd only listens to the chorus, not rest of the lyrics.

[gilded helm]

Nirvana insulting their own fans with their lyrics and the fans still just eat it up without realizing it

[dire igloo]

Speaking of HD2: apparently it's still unavailable in the non-PSN countries despite Sony discontinuing the update

[twin dew]

Yes, they even added those EU countries with no PSN to the block list.

[edgy hazel]

I don't get it. Almost all PlayStation games have done really well on steam how can they fuck it up this badly now

[twin dew]

Because someone at Exec level in the main Japan HQ got the bright idea that PC versions should be mandated to use PSN too...

[dire igloo]

Managers thinking they know best

[twin dew]

The release time of the "backsies" tweet shows it was Japan HQ, not USA or EU.

[pure karma]

because obviously they are just gonna add it back later once no one cares anymore

[edgy hazel]

It's like my mom always said, what the fuck is wrong with you

[dire igloo]

ADHD.
Easy question, next.

[fluid haven]

@stone seal

@stone seal

[maiden coyote]

Damn, so having a nvme drive drops the gpu to x8.. might as well put a second nvme drive for 1x8 + 2x4

[twin dew]

Depends on MB and M.2 slot used.

[maiden coyote]

Not sure of the board.. I'll try to find it

[twin dew]

CPU-Z, HWiNFO etc. should be able to show.

The MB model.

[maiden coyote]

It's a nuc 9. Reddit says the nvme slots don't go directly to the cpu.

[twin dew]

With NUC type thing, the model would be the info needed.
So Intel NUC 9 some submodel?

[maiden coyote]

I'd really like to know why it won't go to sleep more than anything. it's a NUC9i5QNX

[twin dew]

Page 17 has the block diagram for Extreme/Pro models:
https://www.intel.com/content/dam/support/us/en/documents/intel-nuc/nuc-kits/NUC9QN_TechProdSpec.pdf

So three M.2 slots, one through CPU, dropping the main slot size, two through chipset.

[maiden coyote]

alright so the two on the compute module itself must go through the chipset, and the one on the pcie riser go to the cpu

[twin dew]

So the compute module slots are through chipset, and the baseboard one is CPU.

Stated on page 14 and 15.

[maiden coyote]

that's a little bit more confusing than stating the cpu has this many lanes.

[twin dew]

16x from CPU, going and going to 16x PCIe slot, 4x PCIe slot and 4x M.2 slot on the baseboard.
And if the 4x or M.2 on baseboard aren't used, the 16x slot gets 16x, if either or both are in use it is 8x+4x+4x instead.

So the 16x slot electrical width changes with MUX chip depending on the other slots being in use.

Page 36 end:

[maiden coyote]

that makes sense.

[twin dew]

MB giving 16x+0x or 8x+8x in two 16x slots is very common.

On desktop side.

[maiden coyote]

then you've got diagrams like these for consumer stuff

[twin dew]

So the left-side M.2 is either 4x PCIe + 0 SATA or 2x PCIe + 2 SATA.
And the right-side PCIe slots are either 4x + 1x, or 2x+1x+1x+1x.

[maiden coyote]

I suppose it still shows what's going where. I liked the intel one better

[twin dew]

That is just location chart, doesn't tell what can be used at same time.

[maiden coyote]

it doesn't, and it might not say anywhere in the manual either.. it's msi

[twin dew]

What MB?

[maiden coyote]

perhaps it does. what I'm seeing is on most consumer boards, you get one x16 and possibly a x4 for storage depending on the cpu/board. the rest of the IO is switched through the chipset.

[twin dew]

The whole point why chipsets still exist, to get more IO without excessive extra size for CPU and CPU socket.

We have already gone from no CPU PCIe to 16x, to 16x+4x, to 16x+4x+4x (+chipset link).

For consumer CPUs.

[tough owl]

It’s not normal for a windows pc to be under its base cpu frequency when in a program right?

[twin dew]

Depends what the actual load is.

[tough owl]

autodesk autocad

Looking at task manager it’s very single threaded

[twin dew]

Not load as program, the load as actual CPU utilization.

[tough owl]

12%-18%

[sand saddle]

Any pcie 5x16 and 5x4 M.2, no?

[twin dew]

What?
Not all PCIe 16x slots can support bifurbication to multiple smaller "slots".

[sand saddle]

I meant board with both of those slots being gen5

[twin dew]

Yes?
All AM5 E-suffix chipset boards.

[sand saddle]

And don’t they all drop down to x8 once the nvme slot is being used?

[twin dew]

With non-E you need to have one or the other.
With E you need to have both.
Only difference.

No?
As the CPU has 16x + 4x + 4x (+ 4x for chipset) lanes of PCIe 5.0.

[sand saddle]

Okay, my bad

[twin dew]

And that mandatory PCIe 5.0 on MB is part of why the AM5 boards were/are more expensive.
As doing even single lane of PCIe 5.0 needs more expensive PCB material than used on MBs before.

[sand saddle]

Have seen a lot of boards dropping the gpu down to x8 when the nvme slot is occupied.

[twin dew]

Wouldn't even work with AM4 APUs, as those only had 8+4 (+4 for chipset).

Except the 5000G:s think had 16x+4(+4)

Don't know/remember when Intel added the +4x for NVMe SSD into their CPUs.

[winged valley]

Heavily depends on mobo and slot configuration in uefi

Some mobos let you specify cpu or chipset lanes for those

[tough owl]

what is the point of this. you can already search photos with words but now you can use speech to text! wccftech.com/google-photos-ask-photos-will-allow-you-to-search-images-using-voice-and-text-prompts/

[obtuse geyser]

Might be to search certain images while holding phone and your other hand is busy.

[tough owl]

🤨

aint no way youre saving that to your google photos roll

[obtuse geyser]

oh, skimmed over the google-photos part. still, some people would I guess?

[edgy hazel]

laying on your bed going through your porn via voice commands is the hardest shit I've ever heard

[obtuse geyser]

hardest indeed 🤣
[cue g-photos saying "I dod not understand that, can you repeat"]

[visual tree]

Damn kids ringing on my doorbell and escaping....

I need a drone with a flamethrower

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/turret-gif-26068477

[visual tree]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0thc4ADhZgQ

@mental oriole Asked ChatGPT to generate a python code for the paintball turret, hope you can test if it works

[mental oriole]

Why the guard in the fire_paintball...

[edgy hazel]

it's paintball. You need safety equipment

[visual tree]

Guess you shouldn't rely on ChatGPT to protect you from thugs

*and mother-in-law

[visual tree]

Someone just added my phone number to a crypto club group on whatsapp.

Reported the group and left immediately....

I find it interesting how almost all members are from the same country. Someone must have shared my phone number (or sold it)....

Wouldn't be surprised if it's my college, they added alumni members to some random group without permission

[maiden coyote]

I ordered a 4060. my options were gigabyte and asus.. given the great press asus is getting recently.. I went with gigashit.

This is about the only card that'll fit in my nuc and offer decent performance at 1080/1440p

[jagged snow]

Oh dang, that thing's short

[charred pewter]

a low profile 4060 ?!

[languid gulch]

maybe reviewers should measure GPU's physical volume, maybe that'll push them to make them smaller

[jagged snow]

At the end of the day, performance is king

And the majority of consumers are willing to deal with an extra-large gpu if it means it runs their game at 250fps instead of 180

[obtuse geyser]

I think I solved my 'fans keep spinning up' problem.
Kind of.
One screen (1920x1200) set to 59hz, main 1440p set to 50hz, clocks remain low. (oh, and changed driver to 21.4.1 whql. Too tired to check if nwest driver works with these settings or not)
This setup is acceptable for daily working.
Now I'm looking for a way to automatically change the refresh rate when a game starts (120-165 preferred) and getting it back down to 50 on exit. No options inside games for that(?). I swear old titles had an HZ dropdown next to resolution. Or is there a tool to change refresh rate when gaming?

[jagged snow]

There is a tool to do it with hotkeys

[obtuse geyser]

name?

[jagged snow]

It's called HRC(Hotkey Resolution Changer)

[obtuse geyser]

The options will be explored 👍

[sand saddle]

Couldn’t you just try undervolting? Making the low power state a bit faster so it wouldn’t mind staying there on idle.

[maiden coyote]

... Why can't we just go back to windows 7?

So in order for windows 11 to put the computer to sleep, you have to have it set to turn your fucking monitor off too. otherwise it won't go to sleep.

[jagged snow]

What do you mean by that?

[maiden coyote]

If you set your display to never turn off, and your sleep time to whenever, windows 11 will never sleep.

[pure karma]

that and if your storage isent compatible for sleep mode

[charred pewter]

people going back to windows 10 😄

[jagged snow]

That's odd

[sage pier]

update for baldur: I can only get 10mb/s downloading stuff now can I sue my isp for false advertising?

speedtest still says 940 for some reason though

[pure karma]

Cpu could be at play but if not than yea probably

[jagged snow]

Speedtest is usually rather accurate

[sage pier]

my 5500 shouldn't be bottlenecking it could it?

even on the multi in speedtest I get 600

[pure karma]

wouldn't they be able to mess whit what triggers a limiter or something

[jagged snow]

Yes

[pure karma]

then wouldent it be likely they are enabling some kind of limiter for downloads

[obtuse geyser]

Don't want to play with the clocks/voltages, especially if I didn't install radeon control app in the first place.

[sage pier]

They also do some shady shit like you having to dig to the deep depths of their website to get a price plan that doesn't lock you into a contract for 1-5 years

[obtuse geyser]

Buuut, I hacked together a way to run programs at normal refresh rate while keeping desktop at 50hz that doesnt trigger fans.

get nircmd utility, drop in system32.
drop below bat in system 32 (replace 120 with your high refresh and 50 with the iddle refresh rates)

START /wait "" %1
PAUSE
nircmd setdisplay 2560 1440 32 50```
Create shortcut to `"refresh.bat" steam://rungameid/1113120`
Grab icon from steam cache folder `C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steam\games`
Use shortcut to run game. It will switch your screen to 120hz, start the game, and after exiting you press space for it to return original low refresh.
All this hacky-hacky to fix video card manufacturers b***, yay.

please excusate me, while I redo several game shortcuts now.

[sage pier]

update I can get 20-30 but its cutting in and out

now its on 10

again

update 700kb/s

what the fuck

[obtuse geyser]

check your hdd load?

sometimes it pauses to unpack stuff

[sage pier]

I'm so stupid

[obtuse geyser]

do tell us

[sage pier]

I'm downloading it on my external ssd

and its at 100%

no wonder

But when I download something on my m.2 its still only 20

[obtuse geyser]

good to hear we figured it out

[sage pier]

mb/s

[obtuse geyser]

uh, steam is telling me 'no internet connection'. maybe servers are down?

[sage pier]

downloading beamng currently

no problems

[sage pier]

interesting

[obtuse geyser]

yeah, downdetector spiking red as of now

[sage pier]

I'm at 99% and it stopped telling me the mb/s

[jagged snow]

Tuesday steam maintineance

Every week everyone freaks out, and it's always the same thing

[obtuse geyser]

never had that happen before.

they don't roll their servers in and out?

I'm sure they have more than one. Even I could configure that.

[sage pier]

It is at 100% still installing I swear if the steam servers crash at 100% I'm refunding this game

[jagged snow]

Nope, everything goes down at some point on tuesday

It'll take games that use steam services offline too

[jagged snow]

It's simpler to do it all at once 🤷‍♂️

[obtuse geyser]

It will just pause until servers come back

[jagged snow]

Downtime is usually <10 mins

[sage pier]

ah ok

[obtuse geyser]

Disrupting service for milion people system that has constant 24/7 usage? Thats just wrong.

[sage pier]

It downloaded then the servers went down for me XD

[obtuse geyser]

you broke them

[sage pier]

nuh uh

[tough owl]

i love the weekly panic

[sage pier]

beamng did

[tough owl]

SK Hynix got raided by local authorities for fraud 🙃

[sage pier]

steam is back on for me

[jagged snow]

No way 💀

[tough owl]

GN news recap

[maiden coyote]

it is.. I've had nothing but issues with it. I miss the windows aero and the transparency settings of windows 7 the most.

[jagged snow]

I'm actually a win11 fan

[tough owl]

https://tenor.com/view/how-dare-you-tracy-jordan-30rock-how-can-you-how-could-you-gif-21894274

[maiden coyote]

blasphemy

[jagged snow]

It just works so well for what I need

It feels as close to 0-friction as I've ever experienced

[pure karma]

Windows is convinient for day to day reliable use linux is good for Maxing every last thing to perfection

i think at the end of the day thats the position both stand at

atleast for me thats what i see them as

[jagged snow]

I use Linux for some day to day use

That's part of why I love win11, I find wsl to be more convenient than a direct Linux boot

[pure karma]

im not saying it cant im just saying for a average person the added inconveniences from linux would likely push them away

like id be down to try out linux but i wouldent daily it unless i knew what i was getting into and had experience whit it allready

like i might give linux a shot this summer for the fun of it

[sharp oasis]

If they are an office user

Doubt it.

But gamers will have to find workarounds constantly

[pure karma]

depends the software they are ussing i guess yea

is the gaming support on Linux still that bad?

the answers i get are so all over the place

[jagged snow]

As long as you don't want to play anything with anticheat it's fine

But very little is supported natively, almost everything requires some sort of translation or vm

[pure karma]

more things to learn i guess

its not like schools teach any of this stuff even if your actively looking for it

atleast not around here

[tough owl]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-linux-ubuntu-fork-bomb-funny-gif-26955144

[wanton orchid]

how to bomb your system :

oh fuck I'm starting to wonder how long would my system survive

[sharp oasis]

nah ist pretty good

its just ANYTHING withc anticheat

the transalation layer is pretty good

[pure karma]

is that something that's hard to setup or is it fairly basic?

[sharp oasis]

it comes with steam

Proton is built into steam

[pure karma]

so most the stuff on steam should work?

[rotund hamlet]

as long as you don't install Steam from flatpak, you'll be fine

[sand saddle]

Msi afterburner. And it’s totally safe to do.

[twin dew]

Speedtest is by default to closest test center.
So often to ISPs own test server.
And just then tests your connection to ISPs internal network.

You can change the server and see if the speed drop is there once you go farther away, which would point that the ISP to general internet is bottlenecked.

Or it can be just that the source server is limited.

Also understand difference between 10MB/s (80Mb/s) and 10Mb/s.

Speedtest showing 940Mb/s is about 120MB/s.

1B(yte) is 8b(its).

[languid gulch]

yea ISPs love to conflate those

[twin dew]

And in Central Europe, that "mb/s" is somehow taken hold.
1 m(illi)b(it) / (per) s(econd would be pretty slow speed.
When trying to be M(ega)b(it).

Just 1 000 000 000 fold difference.

So 1Mb/s would be 1 000 000 000 mb/s. And 1MB/s would be 8 000 000 000 mb/s.

If working with 1000 fold SI prefixes and not 1024 fold binary prefixes.

[languid gulch]

so what makes hwinfo occasionally record wacky numbers?

[twin dew]

Probably because many interfaces they use to query those numbers are undocumented and have just been reverse-engineered.
And that has some corner cases that are wrong.

[dire igloo]

Leaving aside the fact that bit as a unit cannot be subdivided, so millibit can't actually exist

[languid gulch]

decibit 🤣

[twin dew]

Yup, but in a way if sending one bit takes longer than second, then they somewhat make sense.

But more like would need to go seconds per bit instead.

[languid gulch]

reminds me of the "british billion" vs "european billion"

[twin dew]

Short and Long scale.

Ah, the legend wasn't part of the image.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_and_short_scales#Current_usage

[twin dew]

But cannot know if the specific thing is error in the CPU insides for that, or just HWiNFO reading wrong, or just reading while value was changing.

[mental oriole]

Hot

[twin dew]

For example for shift-register type "memory", if you read it while it is being shifted, you easily get values that are binary multipliers of the actual value.

[languid gulch]

i just like seeing the occasional brain farts it has

at one point it insisted my 1700X had managed to get 4.5GHz on all cores

[pure karma]

yea its kinda fun trying to predict what will get a misread next like the time it said a 15W cpou was actively drawing 65W lol

[edgy hazel]

Weather forecast for this summer

[dire igloo]

Reminds me of this

[wanton orchid]

the most annoying part of hwmonitor for me is the Intel power reading that is completely off

[twin dew]

Is it broken in HWiNFO too?

[wanton orchid]

reading from 1.2 to 2.5 W
I think it's confusing with V or temperature

170W cpu btw

100 times greater

I don't know why hwmonitor still wants to name info when it does not know shit about what it is

[twin dew]

AFAIK HWMonitor hasn't been recommended for many years anymore.

[wanton orchid]

what's the other solution