off-topic-tech

[twin dew]

They are just names.

For specific specifications that have certain requirements.
The higher the number, newer the spec so far, and higher max frequency tested to and more stringent requirements otherwise.

CAT6 tests up to 500MHz, CAT7 to 600MHz, CAT8 to 2000MHz signals.

Then there are the attenuation requirements inside that signal frequency range, crosstalk requirements etc.

[twin dew]

www.thegamer.com/helldivers-2-delisted-on-steam-100-plus-countries-without-psn-due-to-psn-sign-in-requirement-controversy/

Sony only allows Helldivers 2 on Steam in countries that are PSN supported.
And at least some people who have bought it are now locked out.

Since today.

https://steamdb.info/sub/137730/history/?changeid=23416542

Even part of Finland is in the blacklist 🤪

France got removed completely, one of the parts banned is "Metropolitan France", which means the main part of France in continental Europe.

[sand saddle]

Lmao, that’s bs

[dire igloo]

Feels like this kind of a situation

[edgy hazel]

Yeah I was so close to buying it because it seemed fun

[dire igloo]

It was fun

[abstract hawk]

Based 🗿

[charred pewter]

we delisted it entirely from our store... the bullshit is too extreme and people are demanding refunds for 2+ old purchases too

[tough owl]

It was really fun but Sony is dumb af when it came to this decision

steamdb.info/app/553850/history/ I love looking at how fast the review percentage dropped

[visual tree]

Sony executives must apologize in the form of ishidaki punishment!

[tough owl]

I think they will once they realize that no one is playing their game anymore

[stray badger]

they clearly want people on PSN, and they thought that this would work

[tough owl]

7 data breaches in the last 11 years no?

[visual tree]

I wish Sony was like in 80's or 90's

[jagged snow]

Something like thag

[charred pewter]

the eye of sauron is now also looking at other games coming that have PSN ties ...

honestly i dont understand why a free system to simply make an account, wont allow people from certain countries. like eh? why ban countries from simply signing up an account? not like you had to have a valid CC to create it ...... so odd ... so dumb ... but then their website is pretty shit in terms of tech/design ... and all the data breaches

a kid fresh out of highschool could create a better website for sony

thats something ive noticed though .... the bigger the corporation ... the worse their websites

[pure karma]

probably because of legalities or something idk

[charred pewter]

they spend too much time on red tape, and 'meetings' over every little element... that nothing gets done and then it takes too long and they eventually just say 'ok launch it we cant spend anymore time on it'

[twin dew]

And seems that for some countries you can create account from physical PS5, but not from PC.

At least talk of that about Ukraine.

[charred pewter]

wow thats pure tripe ... if an account is allowed, shouldnt matter what device it was created from

grade-A corporate BS

you know, their stupid web portal doesnt even SHOW a way to link to steam on it lol

[twin dew]

And somehow I expect that no-one actually checked that "don't sell here anymore" list after it was generated.
Because of that "Metropolitan France" entry.

[charred pewter]

doesnt even show if you have linked to steam either

its kind of like publishers giving us a country code of "EU" in a blacklist, but the whitelist has "DE, IT, FR, ES, AT" etc

[twin dew]

Probably took a list of all Steam region codes.
And removed entries that matched their own allowed countries exactly.
And pushed the rest as blacklist with no manual checking.

[charred pewter]

or the "Europe" region key bank, with a single blacklist containing "EU"

[twin dew]

Ah, and PSN isn't even available in all EU countries.
Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are not PSN supported.
But they didn't get blacklisted on Steam.

[sand saddle]

Yeah, I get reminded of that when I get random Finnish messages from Sony cuz I required an acc.

[night girder]

😄

#off-topic-general message

[night girder]

Even louis rossman has an opinion on Helldivers 2 😂 (see media-off-topic).

[steel peak]

Anyone have recommendations for ssh client on android

[tough owl]

termux?

[steel peak]

Tools & commands?

Pictures look like it's not a terminal

[wanton orchid]

termux is a terminal
but you can launch a ssh client in it
in the classical Linux way

[steel peak]

Ty

[solemn perch]

I usually use JuiceSSH

[vast tundra]

Boys I need advice

Gpu advice

New 4060 or used 3080

[stray badger]

if you want performance, 3080. if you don't like buying used, then 4060

[jagged snow]

Or don't buy nvidia

Especially used

[vast tundra]

Ok thanks

And why so fight

[jagged snow]

Well especially for the 3080, the 6800xt is significantly cheaper in most used markets, so that's what I'd go with unless you need nvidia specific features

[languid gulch]

i've loved my 6800XT since day 1

[jagged snow]

67/800xt were truly awesome cards

The 6800xt especially I expect will age like the 1080ti

[languid gulch]

i hope so

[stray badger]

6800xt truly was great, too bad it was too good for AMD to properly follow up on

[jagged snow]

I do have hopes for rx 8k

7k was a small generation improvement, which didn't really surprise anyone

For a few years now, they've had big improvements every other generation with small changes the rest of the time

[tough owl]

its insane for helldivers

[sharp oasis]

We won

Sony bends its knee to the helldivers

[tough owl]

link to the tweet?

[jagged snow]

https://twitter.com/PlayStation/status/1787331667616829929

PlayStation (@PlayStation) on X

Helldivers fans -- we’ve heard your feedback on the Helldivers 2 account linking update. The May 6 update, which would have required Steam and PlayStation Network account linking for new players and for current players beginning May 30, will not be moving forward.

We’re still…

Twitter · May 6, 2024, 4:00 AM

Funny that they decided to drop that at midnight eastern, must have come from the corporate office over in Japan instead of the US one

[tough owl]

yea this is def outside of US and EU office working hours

[languid gulch]

"turns out when we hemorrhage money over a clearly bad business decision, that decision gets reversed"

whodathunkit

i love how "don't piss off the people paying you" is somehow not taught in business school anymore

[sharp oasis]

I like how the corpo sympathizers in the HD2 discord are leaving due to the community rage now pointing at them

As they are all crying about a steam page

"Or oh what 6 helldivers in Estonia can't play anymore so what"

The community is not having any of their bullshit

[twin dew]

The amount of threads calling for "Don't review bomb" on Steam Discussions was just weird...

[languid gulch]

bullshit should be called out, no matter where it is

also bots designed to be apologists for corporations

& if someone can't be distinguished from that, yikes they need to take a hard look at themselves

also, if they wanted that to be the policy, why the hell didn't they do that on release?

[twin dew]

Because it was some last minute main corporate office decision and the devs could implement it in time for launch?
It seems to have been listed on the Steam page since start according to some people, but of course I cannot confirm that.

[languid gulch]

just seems like blatant data mining exclusively for sale, which yea, should be torched

[twin dew]

Or just try to get easier crossplay without manual friend codes like it needs currently.
And fucking stuff up by not making that optional..

[languid gulch]

yea, other games have managed to figure out crossplay without fucking up things like that

[twin dew]

Because they do have that cross-play between PS5 and PC already.
And for grouping with friends that just needs that manual code.
And adding OPTIONAL PSN linking for the PC users would have been fine.

[sharp oasis]

I mean the devs even told us to review bomb and refund

To give them more ammo against sony

[wanton orchid]

this have some close related shit to actual artist telling people to pirate their work if they need to watch/read the work
corporations still wanting to confuse property with ownership so bad

[tribal kraken]

I bought Helldivers 2 weeks ago and now put about 40h into it. Its fun but atleast for me crossplay is broken, constant disconnects when trying to play with my little brother on PS5. Only PC groups have been fine.

For the PSN linking, dont really mind if I had to create one account more. Gazillion allready

[twin dew]

Problem was that PSN is only officially supported in part of the world.
And you cannot make account without breaking the TOS from the non-supported countries.
Which includes Estonia, Latvia and Lithuenia for example.

• there have been 4+ giant PSN data leaks since 2010.

[dire igloo]

I remember someone mentioning that for some European countries, an official government ID is required to create a PSN account

[dire igloo]

I had idk how many issues with the ingame friends system - friend requests not going through, friends being deleted from the friends list, etc.
All on PC, no crossplay involved

Thing is: I don't really care about that. I can play with my friends just fine via Steam

[tribal kraken]

My recent story in Finland: Changed my mobile number which was used for SMS confirmation for mobile payments. It cannot be changed by calling the bank, have to visit it physically. But my only official ID was drivers license which was not accepted by the bank, they want the "identity card" or passport.

[twin dew]

IIRC that has been the case for about 10 years now.
That drivers license isn't accepted for lot of things anymore

[tribal kraken]

The phone numebr also was 10 years old, and same amount of time last visit in bank.. Aftera 1 moth process I now have identity card and passport for next 5 years. And booked time at the bank next week

[sand saddle]

Same in Estonia, which is stupid cuz it meets all the criteria to be an ID card

[twin dew]

Not anywhere same level of identity checking for getting one in specific persons "name" as the real ID card.
Which is why it isn't official ID anymore.

Even when in Finland it is processed by police too, like the actual ID card.

Easier to make a fake, easier to get real one assigned with fake information.

[dire igloo]

iirc Germany still accepts driver's licenses as IDs

[twin dew]

Different levels.
They aren't official ID anymore except for proving you are allowed to drive.
But many places still accept them as proof of identity.
Just that Banks etc. cannot by law.

For the higher security things, still ok for some even in banks.

[dire igloo]

I remember a story my mom told me when she was out partying with her older sister.
At midnight, the bouncer went around and asked to see IDs (under 18yo aren't allowed in clubs after midnight).
My mom had hers ready, my aunt said "I don't have an ID, does my driver's license work?"
Dude didn't even bother checking

[sand saddle]

There’s a news article where a dude couldn’t get a beer from a gas station cuz driver’s license isn’t an ID by law and you need to see an ID to sell alcohol. So technically any store selling alcohol by seeing the driver’s license is breaking the law.

[pure karma]

at this point whats even the point of anything if we just keep getting the advantages of said things removed

[jagged snow]

That's interesting, in the states we just use our driver's license as id

[twin dew]

Because as country you are just absolutely against any real national ID database, so you instead use things that are not really meant for that for it instead, like social security numbers and drivers licenses.

[jagged snow]

Yes and no, the realid program is moving that direction

[charred pewter]

i have whiplash

this was a rough weekend

[sharp oasis]

I've had issues whenever I have a console player join me it breaks my games framerate

[night girder]

Victory! 🥳 - I loved people who were downplaying it. "It's not that big of a deal. Just create an account. Git guud." 😂

[charred pewter]

really, it wasnt a big deal except for people who were in locked out countries 😉 the rest were like ... stfu and play

[sharp oasis]

It is so funny now

The hatred for the whiny bootlickers

[night girder]

bro, even louis was on it

"If I play a game for 2 hours, I can't refund it. Those are the rules. Then why do these rule don't apply to companies? Why can a company just change the user agreement of 2 hours without reporcusions."

He hit the nail on the head. It was a big deal.

"We’re still learning what is best for PC players and your feedback has been invaluable." - Sony. Really? Does the whole team have one braincell or something? You have decades of experience. Don't try to hide behind these stupid excuses.

[pure karma]

i think there should be a secondary rule for refunds allowing for a refund no matter the playtime if your fully locked out of playing the game or don't want to agree to terms that we're changed after you agreed to them

the problem isent necesairly changing the terms its the options the users get given if they dont want to follow them anymore

[night girder]

We, consumers, need way more protection against big corpo's with no soul and ethics. They ripping us off.

[pure karma]

also this might be a little far stretched but compensation for things like data breaches

[charred pewter]

this would be disasterous for any and all multiplayer games that eventually have server shutdowns later in life (and they all have an end of life)

companies would just stop making them, knowing that if they ever have to close servers down they would be hit with potentially millions to pay back to customers. there would be no point in making such a game with such a detrimental end game

and then where does the line stop? what about os updates that make games no long function... "game cant be played anymore, i want a refund" years later

there would have to be an absolutely statute of limits in such 'return policies' .... or people WILL take advantage

a reasonable length would be 'within one year if the game is made unplayable' ...

almost every old ubisoft game that has multiplayer servers die, get shut down, unplayable

yet people keep buying them =p

[pure karma]

exception exist and this is one of them

if the game specifically anouces its shutting down and stays playable until then i see no reasson why its a problem

[charred pewter]

for being in such short order, sure. but if sony added it 2 years down the line... no one who bought the game 2 years should be entitled to a refund

[pure karma]

if you cant play the game anymore (not from some small like driver issue and so on) and its not shut down for everyone of course you should

its essentially like getting locked out of ussing a product you payed for

[jagged snow]

@charred pewter in my opinion, games that hit eol should at the very least provide the ability for the community to host servers themselves

[jagged snow]

The wildest part of falcon 9 for me is how quickly that booster goes from ground to near orbital then back to the ground

[charred pewter]

yeah

and its just hurtling towards earth and ... seems to be aiming right at that little platform, and then .... just lands

[maiden coyote]

And open source the server perhaps. Although most decent game servers don't respond to ping requests, but if the server is still exploitable to gain control of a system that's bad

Satisfactory, astroneer, and palworld don't seem to respond to pings, euro truck does though

[jagged snow]

Satisfactory doesn't, but you can still query it

[jagged snow]

Open sourcing the server would be preferable, but just having the option to run it at all would be super nicer

Honestly open sourcing games would be sick too, but there's just too much proprietary stuff to do that

[maiden coyote]

For an old multiplayer game I don't really see the issue if the server software was open. Even if that's too much to ask, just having the software would be a big win

It could be isolated on its own network where you'd need a VPN to access it if it had to be

[wanton orchid]

technically allowed to reverse engineering the servers under EU law, for "interoperability issue"
basically :
if the company does not offer any paid means to do it, it does not have any right to prevent people from doing it an other way

its not a scam if there is nothing to scam about

[night girder]

This so bad. Dedicated servers.

[charred pewter]

Worlds Adrift comes to mind ... early access, then they just pull their server and say 'sorry! but thanks for all the money"

didnt even offer to add community run server or ds ability. cant even install the game anymore

[night girder]

Louis said there was a webcam. And after a time, the company put out an update to disabled the webcams 😂

Or a baby phone, that costed 400 bucks or something.

And afterwards, they came with a subscriptions

He had a few examples with other products that after purchase, the agreement between user and company changed.

[wanton orchid]

that's literally sabotage

[night girder]

yup, that's why I said consumers need more protection.

[jagged snow]

Yeah, that's the kind of thing that everyone agrees is wrong but there's not actually much you can do about except suing. At that point the product that you have is completely different than what you agreed to buy

[wanton orchid]

the problem is not that it's different

the problem is it does not at all match what have been sell to you
you are not provided with any value anymore
and that value have even been taken from you actively

[jagged snow]

Yes, exactly

[wanton orchid]

it's basically ransomware

[charred pewter]

wonder how many big game companys will have to do this before something is actually moved at the gov regulation level

[twin dew]

The booster only hits about 1/5th - 1/4th orbital velocity.

[jagged snow]

Yeah, I should have said near to space

[twin dew]

They do all go to the official "space", above 100km from mean sea level.

[charred pewter]

its pretty darn near up there but if it escaped its velocity would get too fast and then they would have to contend with re-entry burn

keeping its speed down, they dont need all the heat shielding for that part ... makes it easier to return it

[twin dew]

With US being special and using 50 miles (about 80km) as the limit.

[charred pewter]

still amazing to see how fast it goes and how it lands on such a tiny spot

tiny "in compares" i mean ... the landing pad is not TINY

[twin dew]

So the Virgin Galactic SpaceShipTwo:s only hit "space" by the US definition, not the world definition, on their tourist flights.

[charred pewter]

"drr its really fer up thar bob, yessir, must be in space!" ...

murican definition of reaching space

but, you know .... we all are already 'in space' ...

abord this glorious starship called earth

[twin dew]

Nah, the number is pretty arbitrary.
But based on "aircraft cannot fly with lift alone anymore", just that there isn't single number for that.

And the US number was set before the world number was agreed on.

[charred pewter]

isnt the atmosphere thicker in spots though too, its not a perfect altitude all around

[twin dew]

So US set 50 miles first, then everyone else set 100km.

And seems that the original calculation by the guy the limit is named after was 83.8km.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kármán_line

Ah, and NASA used that international 100km until 2005.

So it was just US Air Force vs. rest of the world, until NASA was made use the US Air Force definition in 2005.

Oh, and have you seen that Elon got hissy fits for some reason and killed Tesla with big layoffs?

Week ago, didn't see mention of it here IIRC:
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/04/tesla-to-lay-off-everyone-working-on-superchargers-new-vehicles/

For example for the Supercharger team, originally Musk might have wanted to lay off half (unreliable), but because of pushback, instead laid off all...

And somehow I would expect that the new vehicle team layoff was hissy fit related to CyberTruck.
Even when the whole concept was Musks idea and forced on them for the major parts.

[languid gulch]

i do appreciate that they updated the "who gets astronaut wings" from "you've flown really fuckin high one time" to "you did something useful while you were up there"

[dire igloo]

"I want you to make this."
"It'll suck."
"I don't care, make it."
It sucks.
"You're fired!"

Welcome to working for Elmo

[languid gulch]

i would have appreciated being born to a daddy who owned an emerald mine, wrote some bits of code that earned me a penny for every single financial transaction online forever, & basically got handed a car factory

oh, i officially have a level 2 charger for my car now

still have to get a "stay at home" charger to mount, but the one that came with the car is a 32A, which is soooo much faster than the 12A/120V i've been working with

[gilded helm]

What'd you get?

I'm still just using the 12A 120V OEM charger that came with the car.

[languid gulch]

oh it's just the stock charger that they give you, still looking for an "official" one to mount on the wall

but it comes with an adapter you can go from 120V to 240V

here's the link (yes, i know, it's shortened, the GM one ran off the frickin monitor & down the road to the liquor store):

shorturl.at/oqMW5

GM Part # 85163382
if you don't trust the link

[gilded helm]

Part of me is just waiting for a fire sale on them, once Chevy goes deeper into NACS

[languid gulch]

$450 right now, which honestly doesn't sound too bad compared to others

& idk if i'd trust a cheap 48A charger

[maiden coyote]

Shouldn't be much to it

The car handles all of the charging.

[pure karma]

let the blown laptops final sprint begin

[charred pewter]

blowing on laptops?

[pure karma]

blowing up kinda blowing

[tough owl]

didn’t we advise you not to use this laptop

[pure karma]

the gouvernement mandated test said otherwise

[tough owl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3zB9EFntmA

I hope it sticks around

[twin dew]

Will replace SODIMMs, but question is if will partly replace soldered on RAM or not.
And if it comes to desktops to replace normal DIMMs.

[tough owl]

i mean its small enough, wonder what the biggest lpcamm2 module is

[twin dew]

Can do 128 bit 2R or 64 bit 2R with two modules, or possibly 128 bit 4R.
So one CAMM2 can be one or two channels, and replace one or two modules, depending on PCB space.

In theory 128 bit 8R?

[tough owl]

which is how many gigs

[twin dew]

Depends on how much fits into one 64 bit rank?
Same as 4 slot MB in theory with same chips.

[pure karma]

🫡

[twin dew]

So currently 192GB?

Question is if you can fit the 64 RAM chips onto the largest PCB size allowed.

The original CAMM was designed by Dell for their desktop replacement workstations, and to get the max amount of memory into those.

[mental oriole]

Smexy.

[crude vine]

Hello. Can someone help what is better to choose for media server? I don't want plex, because of plex account and subscription. So what is better between popular one's kodi, jellyfin, emby or better to try plex without account. The main idea is to have access to all media in local network from TV, Iphone, Adnroid smartphone and etc

[charred pewter]

that would be cool

[tough owl]

Do you have hardware chosen, and if not what type of videos do you want to stream locally, x265,x265,av1?

[charred pewter]

is the x265/10bit the more demanding/newer stuff?

seems i get hit or miss behavior in VLC with those

maybe my issue is just using VLC 😆

[tough owl]

more often than not

[maiden coyote]

Jellyfin is neat, but the server renders the steam and sends it to the client so you need some sort of gpu on it.. if you use kodi the server can just be a nas

Both will share linux isos

[tough owl]

which is how it should be imo. Kodi just uses file server

[maiden coyote]

Well.. there's some issues. Like if you have a large linux iso collection it could cause issues with smart tvs since the libary and thumbnails are local to the device

Hm

Jellyfin is also made to be public facing.. still need to take proper measures before doing so.

[tough owl]

afaik jellyfin is designed for lan not wan installations

[tough owl]

would work fine for hevc stuff

[winged valley]

yes

[edgy hazel]

okay I've bitten

[stray badger]

Fight for Democracy!

[charred pewter]

do your duty soldier

and clean up when you are done

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/broad-city-ilana-glazer-ilana-wexler-salute-patriot-gif-5425320

Perfect

[rustic panther]

nice

[edgy hazel]

discussing the galactic war on the warrior of war at the war table

[charred pewter]

so ... you are playing WoW

[sharp oasis]

Linux helldivin

Also. How do I get rid of the white border

[edgy hazel]

Switch to full screen

[tough owl]

switch to fullscreen and use gamescope to retain the alt tab function

[winged valley]

I got my first review lets gooo

[sharp oasis]

How. Idk

[sharp oasis]

I'll try to figure this out lol

[tough owl]

What resolution are you running?

Add this as a launch option

gamescope -W 1920 -H 1080 -r 60 -- %command%

All one line where 1920 and 1080 is your resolution and 60 is your monitors maximum frame rate

[edgy hazel]

Bro he doesn't know how to change to full screen.

Legit just set it to full screen and your issue is fixed.

I had the same thing

[tough owl]

alt tab sucks when in full screen games

[sharp oasis]

I'll set the r to 75

As it's a 75hz monitor

[tough owl]

Wait what distro are you running

[sharp oasis]

Ubuntu

[tough owl]

do you have gamescope installed?

if not you should

[sharp oasis]

I have no idea what that is

But I'll see if I do and if I can.

[tough owl]

apt install gamescope

[sharp oasis]

Thx

[sharp oasis]

@tough owl no installation canadate

[tough owl]

scrap the idea then

[sharp oasis]

Damn

[charred pewter]

Man

[maiden coyote]

intel discontinued their nuc line? D:

I guess that's old news now.. but damn those thing were cool

[twin dew]

The sub-business was sold to Asus IIRC.

[jagged snow]

Yep, and it seems like they're not planning to completely let it die

It surprises me that that market segment has seen such little demand

hp and possibly lenovo also abandoned their ultra sff prebuilt segments

[maiden coyote]

I want one for a media center pc.

wifi, thunderbolt.. 500W psu and it'll take a small gpu

[jagged snow]

Oh, I guess hp's lineup is still alive

Just pretty pricey

[charred pewter]

my HTPC has always been the 'leftovers' from whatever im making my game rig with lol ... but yeah, ive thought about just getting a nuke cause its so small and more couchroom friendly

[maiden coyote]

don't really need any lan ports for a media center pc that'll be for movies.. and some light gaming, like american truck simulator

that's what mine is in our bedroom.. an old lenovo with a 8400 and 8gb of ram and a rx 6400

[charred pewter]

the only real big issue for me was the OTA HD dual tuner/recorder hardware and software .... the nucs got no room for the pcie card, and the usb solutions were all crap (still are?) and ive not investigated them inawhile

[maiden coyote]

the nuc I posted does. how big is the pcie card?

specs say max length is 203mm

[charred pewter]

its a basic size (not half height) ... lemme pull up an image ...

[maiden coyote]

well, I talked about it a bit much and ended up ordering this lol.. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CK4J8XTJ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[charred pewter]

looks pretty short-ish ...

[maiden coyote]

that should fit in that nuc

[charred pewter]

its such and old card, they dont even have good images of it on the web lol

i had to 'hack' the drivers to make it work fine with win10 lol

win10 wouldnt see it ... but forcing in some other drivers got it all workin

been 100% fine since!

[maiden coyote]

if you're happy with your htpc setup there's no reason to try getting a nuc for it and having to fight with drivers all over again

[charred pewter]

true... its mainly why i drag my heels

"setup" ... ugh .... the software, SageTV, the tuner card....

then random tweaks ive done to ffdshow and directshow or whatever the hell show to make videos nicer

[maiden coyote]

I'm doing this because I'm getting a whole new setup for my living room. so.. all new shit I suppose

[charred pewter]

nice!

always fun to get 'all new fresh shit' ....

[maiden coyote]

they've really killed off using your pc as a dvr. tuner cards used to be everywhere

[charred pewter]

yeah 😦

[jagged snow]

Too much potential for piracy

[charred pewter]

ive got a few of them too ... one from nvidia... the avermedia ... another haupauge brand ...

[maiden coyote]

i had/have one of these somwhere

[charred pewter]

i even had these dongles which would hook into a DirecTV set top box to change channels to do the right recording LOL!!! (that was WAY back)

[maiden coyote]

I disagree.. that's probably the reason they used. There's so many other ways, and pirates will always find another.. better way

[charred pewter]

now, its just loading up a tv torrent site and get a clean small-weight rip =p

i dont use them ... myself ... unless a weather report negates an entiere broadcast and i need to see the actual fucking episode

[jagged snow]

Oh I disagree with that as well
I'm just saying that the media companies probably view them that way

[charred pewter]

LIKE LAST NIGHT... tornado/storm coverage blanked out The Rookie, and another show that recorded

so if i cant stream it off the networks website (because they want you to pay for FREE tv broadcasts)... i'll have to dig for it the high seas way

[maiden coyote]

I'm amused that you still watch over the air tv.

[charred pewter]

lol 😄

[jagged snow]

I do too for sports broadcasts?

[charred pewter]

theres some shows i just have on record ... and i watch them when i vedge out sometimes in the evening

plus, gordon ramsey ... i mean ... come on

[maiden coyote]

I don't do sports. so I can't really relate to that. lol

at least not at my house.. when I do I'll have to go the friends, or my parents lol

[charred pewter]

same, never record sports, get annoyed when a show is pushed off 30 minutes because of sports

screws up the recording ... have to go hunt down a stream of it

like TRACKER ... three shows blasted due to fucking sports 😉

also it seems to be the only way i can actually get live tv weather during nasty weather ... last night i was trying to find a live stream online to watch with my laptop in the basement ... but couldnt find one !!! like wtf ... i had to go up and turn on the tv and watch the weather alerts

but then im like upstairs watching tv, about a tornado, that i should be in the basement about

😄

[maiden coyote]

I don't really get why they need to do those on the tv anymore.. they have digital channels.. they can put weather on a side channel and show a banner at the bottom if it's bad

[charred pewter]

yup

[maiden coyote]

we all have phones now.. and the last time we had a major storm.. the tv stations tower didn't survive.

[charred pewter]

agreed .... and with it streaming, people could see the important weather bits on their phones

[maiden coyote]

and fewer and fewer people watch ota tv.

[charred pewter]

indeed

i get SO many channels, but i only set the pc to tune to 6 of them

my OTA atenna in the attic picks up about 50 total in various directions

like how can there be THAT many public broadcast stations LOL

just give me nbc, abc, cbs, fox, cw, pbs

i dont need shopping channels, or live coverage of the court rooms ... 😉

[winged valley]

I was going to ask why it has a PCIe connector

But then I thought about it and

Is that being used with an adaptor as a PCIe slot??

[maiden coyote]

It's a compute board

So it plugs into a board that provides pcie. Like a riser that provides pci x16 and I think x1 or x4

[jagged snow]

It allows you to place it inside another system to use as a sort of really inefficient coproccessor

You could also use it as an independant comput node

[maiden coyote]

Compute board is a bad term since the only thing it plugs into is that riser

That's the intel nuc motherboard

[jagged snow]

Yeah, iirc minisforum did something similar

Where the mini pc actually slotted into an enclusre that was essentially a female-to-female pcie riser and let you connect a full-size pcie device

[maiden coyote]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCoLJeUbZTc

[languid gulch]

so, bit of an update: got the 240V dedicated circuit installed, & can now charge at 8kW instead of 1.3

[jagged snow]

Nice, that's a big upgrade

[languid gulch]

did 40 miles in 90 minutes, it's great

still gotta get a dedicated wall mounted charger

still worried about some of the bullshit i've seen with the apps associated with the chargers

[tough owl]

you need an app to charge an ev these days?

[languid gulch]

like i said, lotta bullshit to filter thru

it's under the "technically no, but also you have no choice"

[jagged snow]

I'd like to see ev stuff go open source

Especially the charging stuff, I can see why the vehicles aren't

[tough owl]

ill keep my 2014 30k civic as long as possible then

[languid gulch]

can also monitor & controll stuff thru the car

[languid gulch]

yea, i'd have done the same if it wasn't starting to feel unsafe to have my old car

[jagged snow]

I'd really love to see home assistant integration

[languid gulch]

or some phone company licensing so you don't have to link to your home network

[tough owl]

chevy has cell equiped cars

[languid gulch]

yea but i don't like onstar

[jagged snow]

Most do

[tough owl]

let me pop my own sim in

[jagged snow]

Ford has been doing it since ~2010

They just didn't do anything useful with it

[tough owl]

[jagged snow]

Actually that's not entirely true

[tough owl]

what was it?

[languid gulch]

2003 civic

[jagged snow]

They have integrated mobile hotspot, which is kinda cool I guess

[tough owl]

man that wouldve been fun to mod

[toxic void]

what you guys think? too little RGB?

[languid gulch]

100% rice rocket, but also i'm kinda big for it, & it's just too small for american roads anymore

[tough owl]

my home town my civic is way too small

college town its just fine

[languid gulch]

you really should have spent the extra $400 on a white colored gpu

(kidding btw, looks great)

[toxic void]

My GPU was already £1200 lmao

[tough owl]

💀

[toxic void]

and it doesnt come in white

[tough owl]

4080s dont come in white?

[toxic void]

It says radeon...

I dont buy Nvidia

[languid gulch]

ah yes, the Radeon 4080

[toxic void]

lmao

[tough owl]

rtx 7900xtx

[languid gulch]

god that felt cursed as fuck to type

[toxic void]

Its an RX 7900 XTX

half the price a 4090, and only 10% worse

[languid gulch]

R9 2090

[tough owl]

i swear ive seen a white xtx

[toxic void]

probably, but when they released feb last year, there wasnt any

[tough owl]

r9 290 was a thing so id assume out of context it was a typo

[languid gulch]

Kingpin Fury

[tough owl]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fmrqqs/powercolor-hellhound-spectral-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-24-gb-video-card-rx7900xtx-24g-locwhite

[toxic void]

Intel 9 7950x

painful... just painful

[tough owl]

where did all the xtxs go

[languid gulch]

Ryzen 9 14900KS

[toxic void]

owwwww

im visibly cringing

[languid gulch]

EVGA Strix

[toxic void]

nooo

heretic!

[tough owl]

msi windforce

[languid gulch]

Chevy Mustang

[tough owl]

crowd killer

[jagged snow]

Check the ebay pricing 💀

[toxic void]

No white xtx's from the site I buy from

[tough owl]

ram f250

[toxic void]

I would have defo bought one if they were released on launch

Theres one downside to my build

[tough owl]

oh wait I know why

AI models

great job ebay

[toxic void]

My Lian Li case doesn't have the attachment needed for the GPU support bracket.

So its been leaning for the last 14-15 months

[languid gulch]

wedge a screw in the back corner of the gpu where it's near the mobo

[tough owl]

rip that mobo

[languid gulch]

thank me later

[toxic void]

I think the screws are not in line for that

[languid gulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liChy76nQJ4

[toxic void]

Should probably buy a new case lmao

[languid gulch]

eh, only if there's some horrific incompatibility

[toxic void]

It also didn't come with a rear fan

should really buy one lmao

[languid gulch]

eh

[tough owl]

rgb

[languid gulch]

🤣

when GN tested my case, the difference between 3x120s in the front & adding a single rear (none on top) was a whopping 0.1C

[toxic void]

haha

I've just bloody noticed

the RGB for the fans on the front are off

[languid gulch]

oh are they just on their default cycle?

[tough owl]

rgb is more of a hassle than its worth imo

[toxic void]

my gaming performance will be greatly hindered lmao

[toxic void]

na, i changed it around a bit

[tough owl]

need that competitive advantage

[languid gulch]

i got noctuas on the front, so i just shut all the lighting off

[toxic void]

I love the build, wont have to upgrade for atleast another 5 years

[languid gulch]

you say that now

[toxic void]

just hope the GPU doesnt snap, so i'll probably wedge something under it

[languid gulch]

lego man

on a pedestal

[toxic void]

I have lego behind me, i could probably make a stable leg lmao

[tough owl]

would work honestly

[toxic void]

considering my PC can get to 100oC, that wont melt the lego?

[languid gulch]

nah

that's the temp on the cores

[toxic void]

(it only goes to 100oC when I'm rendering)

idk if it radiates heat tho

as in, in a smaller radius

[tough owl]

lego abs i wanna say is good for like 150C

[toxic void]

cus im forever boiling in this room lmao

[languid gulch]

put it next to the A/C return duct

[toxic void]

Ye, I'mma build a little support mount for my GPU haha

no idea why I never thought of Lego before

A/C return duct?

[languid gulch]

& some double sided tape if you want it to stick when you're moving it

[toxic void]

If I ever move it i'll just take it out

[languid gulch]

or if you're in an earthquake zone 😛

tho if you're using pounds, i suspect that if you're in an earthquake zone, we're all fucked

[toxic void]

I live in south England. we dont get earthquakes 🙂

lmao

[toxic void]

jesus christ

atm I'm sitting at a comfortably idle 46oC

my fav quality of the 7900 xtx, which im sure other cards have too, is that the fans are off until they're actually needed. giving that extra bit of silence.

[dark plover]

meanwhile my shittx 1080 is at 81c lmao

the airflow is so bad in my case its awful

[tough owl]

laptop thermals

[dark plover]

real

"its portable tho"

[toxic void]

The only reason I went all out of my PC was because I had a shitty one for 5 years

[dark plover]

ive had a mid tier one since 2020

[toxic void]

Ryzen 5 2400g verga 11 graphics, 16gb ram, NO GRAPHICS CARD

[tough owl]

https://tenor.com/view/excuse-me-gif-19259515

[tough owl]

thats a massive jump

[dark plover]

https://tenor.com/view/oomfie-pipe-bomb-oomfie-pipe-bomb-gif-25286345

[toxic void]

I paid only £500 for that first PC

which was my life savings

lifes*

by the end of 2020 I did upgrade.

RX 6500 XT for £150, and a Ryzen 7 5700g for around £300

[dark plover]

i went from fx 8350 & rx 580 to a gtx 1080 w/ ryzen 7 5800x

got my gtx 1080 for like 100 bucks off a dude

[toxic void]

10th feb, 2023, I send £3,000 from my student loan on my current PC.

Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24gb, Ryzen 9 7950x, 64gb RAM, 1050w platinum PSU, b650 wifi motherboard

I love having a student debt 🙂

[tough owl]

you used student loans for a pc?

[dark plover]

lol i got my associate's paid for and once im done w/ this last year im just done with college

[tough owl]

thats like super illegal here

[toxic void]

I had nothing else to spend the money on, and i needed it for uni work

[tough owl]

invest to make more return that interest cost and then pay them off??

[toxic void]

I'm "learning" to be a game dev, so i needed a good PC for fast rendering for coursework handin times

[toxic void]

nah, after 30 years its voided

[dark plover]

GOD I WISH WE HAD THAT IN THE US

[toxic void]

I ended up dropping out of uni anyways cus they weren't teaching us anything lmao

[jagged snow]

Yeah, but you can use scholarships for that kind of thing

[toxic void]

And student loans in the US are like $300,000

[jagged snow]

You're still paying for it, just in taxes 🤷‍♂️

[toxic void]

or smt rediculus

[jagged snow]

lol what?

[tough owl]

oh yea, but loans for school (low interest rate) for personal stuff is a big no no

ill probaly walk away from uni with 45k in loans

[jagged snow]

Only if you go to an unreasonably expensive school
A reasonable school will run you around 10k a semester

[toxic void]

down here, my student loan was £9,250 per year for tuition, and I got £8,500 per year to spend on what I wanted (still part of the loan) so after 3 years the debt is around £50,000

[tough owl]

and this is because I was an idiot and slacked one semester

[dark plover]

actually dude, ive taken abt 10 (general) classes and i think that's racked up 14 grand

probably way more

[toxic void]

I only did 1 and a half years

[tough owl]

why didnt you finish?

[dark plover]

ive been doing college in tandem with high school

[toxic void]

The lecturers strikes the whole of the first year

[tough owl]

the smart way to do it

[toxic void]

over 40% of my sessions were cancelled

[dark plover]

i saw it was free so i took it

[toxic void]

with NO refunds. and they started striking on the second year and when they were in, they would take registration then leave.

[tough owl]

no refunds is BS

[toxic void]

So I thought to save what money I had left, and leave

[dark plover]

going into ibew for sound and data technician anyways lol

[dark plover]

sounds like it was for the better

[toxic void]

I'm looking at BAE for an apprenticeship

offers £26,000 in wages for the first 3 years

whilst learning, so i get my honours degree at the end

[tough owl]

is it just me or does that seem really low for a job

[toxic void]

over here, the national average is £24,400

[tough owl]

with or without degree

or both

[toxic void]

we dont distinguish between.

£24,400 is just the national average of the* wage

but the £26,000 comes with an education

So I still get my degree after the beginning 3 years

[dark plover]

the apprenticeship im looking at starts at $35k a yr

[tough owl]

thats how much I make per hour working at my university assuming 40 hour work week

[toxic void]

after that my wage would increase to £72,000

[tough owl]

oh then yea thats a lot better

[toxic void]

if i got the degree and stayed working with them

Plus, my uni got incredibly political, which I just wanted to get away from.

Leaving has been my best decision in my life.

[dark plover]

honestly, they always hype up college so much

i feel like academia almost ignores trades

[toxic void]

It's just not worth the money

[dark plover]

only worth it if you're say, a nuclear engineer or such

even then its barely worth it

[tough owl]

I know someone doing that 🤣

[toxic void]

I've learnt more from self teaching myself the basics of C++ and Unreal Engine, than my uni ever did

[dark plover]

exactly, but i feel like "self-taught" isn't as respected

you pay however many tens of thousands to get a shiny paper

[toxic void]

But now, I'm around £20,000 in debt. But I only have to start paying that back when I begin earning the national average, that being £24,400. and even then its only around £50-£100 per month.

and after 30 years, anything left is just voided.

self-taught over here means nothing.

My dad taught himself C++, but because he doesnt have a degree, he earns £25,000 less than what he's supposed to

he currently earns £29,000. which is brilliant for our area. But his co-workers with degrees all earn £54,500

[dark plover]

criminal

[wanton orchid]

I'm laughing at how bad graded people are at their job

[dark plover]

is what it is

[wanton orchid]

Uni is scamming industry

[toxic void]

yup

[dark plover]

exactly what it is

luckily my family supports my decision to stop after im done getting my associate's

im glad they're not hardcore for uni

[toxic void]

whats even funny, is that theres no many people in my uni who are living off their student loan and "daddy's money" who have no idea how to run their own lives

they're 20/21 but dont know how to pay taxes, or get a job

they sh*t themselves when they have to get an interview

Uni's make people, whats the word, weak...

But the main reason people go to uni is because of how much it increases your wage.

[dark plover]

and it'd be crazy if they just made standardized tests or something for self-taught people

[wanton orchid]

which is why I said scamming industry
corporations pay high for graded people but get shit back

[dark plover]

because that'd topple their whole scam industry

[toxic void]

I currently have an Extended Diploma and a Certificate of Higher Education to my name.

But people with a honours degree will earn almost double what I would.

Those who spend an extra year in uni will get a masters degree, earning around £70,000.

And for those who spend another 2 years gets a doctorat, which I think earns over £100,000 on a base wage lmao

[dark plover]

ope! debt for the rest of your life!

[toxic void]

literally lmao

[vast tundra]

Dog why do the smartest people play satisfactory

[dark plover]

facory 👍

[toxic void]

because its a good brain exercise

[vast tundra]

I fixed it

[vast tundra]

I agree

[wanton orchid]

IF a corpo have money to spend on that grade

[toxic void]

The people with a doctorat degree leave uni with over £250,000 in debt half the time

it's just that their wage pays it off in 5-6 years

[wanton orchid]

these days I'm laughing because less and less corpo have that money
and just prefer gambling low graded people

[toxic void]

Majority of the time, self taught people are smarter and harder workers than people with qualifications.

[dark plover]

i think its crazy too, if you have all this high honors and shit you have to suck up for the company you wanna get a job in

[toxic void]

But because people are brought up believing that you NEED a diploma, the smart ones are generally ignored

[wanton orchid]

less prone to do stupid mistake by repeating the book instead of looking at what they are actually doing

[dark plover]

the industry still values living robots over actual people man

[toxic void]

self teaching myself C++ has been an incredibly hard and frustraiting journey. It is one of the most complex languages to learn.

Meanwhile everyone in my old uni class (I still have access to the work online) is currently learning about how to be inclusive with diversity hiring...
How does that make them qualified game developers? I don't know

[wanton orchid]

"computers are doing 'humans' job better"
NO WAY

maybe because humans weren't doing human jobs in the first place

[dark plover]

whole gaming industry's kinda gone to shit tbh

well no not really

[toxic void]

It has

[dark plover]

its more AAA companies, indies are luckily on the rise

[toxic void]

well, depends where you look

the tripple A companies are sinking

[wanton orchid]

as soon as corpo started hiring graded programmers lmao

[toxic void]

indie studio's like coffee stain are making more and more money because they're making innovative games.

[dark plover]

and its like companies are barely ever willing to hire and train anymore, "entry level position: needs 4 years experience"

[wanton orchid]

you mean games
instead of ripoff of the past

[dark plover]

the bigger companies have become bloated and gentrified lumbering masses with board rooms full of out-of-touch old farts

[toxic void]

look at endnight studio's. They were a team of 6 who made The Forest, and they made millions off that game.

Meanwhile you have tripple A companies like Relic and Sega who made Company of Heroes 3, they apparently put in over $10million to make it.
only 18,000 people bought it. They didnt make any money.

[wanton orchid]

they don't fucking know what they need either
remember : the person hiring just got its fresh "hiring" grade too lmao

[toxic void]

"looking for young worker, must be under 20 with 5 years experience"

[dark plover]

"yeah im self taught-" "fuck off"

[toxic void]

"you can think for yourself and wont blindly do what we ask?"

[tough owl]

Gotta have a green GitHub profile

[wanton orchid]

Basically

then after hiring "perfect person"
"waaaa, why was it just lie, the software just does not work in the end"

[dark plover]

honestly, i think that part of the reason why the big gaming companies are so shit is because they're publicly traded

[wanton orchid]

it just listened to do shit as you wanted bro

So indeed it's shit

[toxic void]

Modern companies as well are more after political hiring

[dark plover]

they have to listen to shareholders and management to make the most pandering wide-audience game ever

[wanton orchid]

"the worker is so mean and deceptive"
you just selected it for that bro

[toxic void]

I probably wont get into it too much here

but companies pay third party companies for DEI hires

to look "progressive"

so they hire based of identity, and not quality

[wanton orchid]

imagine investing in a tech by being so smart about how stock value work
.. instead of knowing anything about the tech you are investing into

I'm seeing more and more ads
that are falsely targeted at consumers
but simply drag stupid investors

[dark plover]

fuckers don't know how media works and instead decides "we need biggest audience ever"

a game for everyone is a game for no-one

it's what every big market eventually turns into, the investors are your true audience

[wanton orchid]

but remember
they complain about how bad the worker they directly hired are after it does not work

it's petty all ground up

[dark plover]

just glad the industry is looking up, big empty corporations starting to crack

indies are getting more mainstream

but eventually they'll probably repeat the same mistakes

[tough owl]

indies and AA devs are where it’s at

[wanton orchid]

they must

[toxic void]

The problem I have atm is that there are so many scam games releasing, its giving the indie genre a bad rep

one of the biggest ones atm is GrayZone Warfare

I feel so bad for anyone who's bought it

[dark plover]

The Day Before

[toxic void]

The Scam Before

[wanton orchid]

they usually have more investments than actual indie games

probably made to also hurt indie industry

[dark plover]

I would say Cyberpunk 2077 but CD PROJEKT RED actually have put effort into the game, it was just underbaked

[toxic void]

If anyone bought grayzone warfare, and can, refund it.

it was made by the same developers who released "Incursion, Red River"

who also made 4 other titles beforehand

(obviously behind different company names)

[wanton orchid]

do you know about nexon btw

[dark plover]

oh my god BSG

[toxic void]

BSG...

[wanton orchid]

copying games official on steam

[dark plover]

"Unheard Edition"

[toxic void]

My friend bought me the unheard edition

cus he hates multiplayer and wanted someone to play pve with

[dark plover]

fucking bullshit, I fell for the EoD scam and then they piss in my mouth with unheard

[toxic void]

every time I play online now, I get targeted by cheaters lmao

[dark plover]

:((((( crying rn

SPT-AKI with MPT

BSG just farms money, every time they have a ban wave they coincidentally have a big sale

[toxic void]

He paid £290 for his version of tarkov, plus another £50 for my upgrade...

he's rich, he cares not for money lmao

whats worse

[dark plover]

not gonna be rich for long if he doesn't care abt money

[toxic void]

is that PMC's have been replaced with raiders. so we're just being sniped from 300m away with an ak that has a missing dust cover lmao

[toxic void]

he has a savings account with over £200,000

[dark plover]

yeah spt-aki is the way to go

[tough owl]

That’s not a lot…..

[toxic void]

uh

in Britain it is lmao

[tough owl]

To live off it’s not

[toxic void]

thats 8 years worth of work

[dark plover]

mods to make the game less or more hardcore, qol, bots with ai almost exactly human-like

[toxic void]

Kade, he already has a house, and his job pays for most things day to day. £200,000 in a savings account has set him up for life lmao

[toxic void]

I played spt earlier

I added the SAIN mod to nerf AI

[tough owl]

That’s a different story 🤣

[toxic void]

I was actually able to fight the goons for once without being killed the second they come into frame

[dark plover]

i had spt but i got bored with it because no multiplayer was lame

and i have godawful gear fear when no other people are with me

[toxic void]

I wish I could refund my unheard edition and go back to EOD

[dark plover]

EFT at this point i think is just 70% cheaters

[toxic void]

no need for it

90%

like, the game is funded on cheaters

[dark plover]

god its gotten that bad?

i played online like a year or two ago and it was bad

[toxic void]

if cheaters got hardware banned, the devs would run out of money

[dark plover]

and BSG knows this

[tough owl]

hardware banning is not a good idea

[dark plover]

so they keep their anticheat just passable and banwave+sale

[toxic void]

I played 5 online raids 2 days ago, I died to cheaters in all games

[dark plover]

infinite money exploit

[toxic void]

they targeted me cus I have the unheard mark

Hardware banning is a good idea to prevent cheating

[dark plover]

oh my god they made it so that the community SEES

WHY

[toxic void]

The cheaters want people to know they're killing purchasers of the unheard edition

and BSG wont do anything, because they cheaters have typically made more money than the buyers of unheard

[tough owl]

so imagine they sell that hardware that got a hardware banned on the used market and a different person wanted to play a game with that banned hardware

[toxic void]

the hardware banned is a motherboard.

most motherboards will not be resold

because most people have a OEM version of windows

(locked to a single motherboard)

or the motheboard is old

reselling of banned hardware is really not an issue, only a handful of people will really be effected.

This is so cheap wtf

This is better than every Nvidia card at this price

even things double the price

[dark plover]

abt the same performance as a gtx 1080, but i'd be willing to bet it can run newer gfx engines better

like way better

fuckin rtx cards are still a billion dollars man

[toxic void]

Nvidia cards have never been worth it

you pay almost double the price, for only 10% better performance

[dark plover]

refurb: 1590 wtf

[toxic void]

3090 had heating issues aswell didnt it?

oh wait, thats all Nvidia cards...

and for some reason people still pay the rediculus prices for the stuff

[dark plover]

its ai people

[toxic void]

AMD's flagship is at £800

[dark plover]

NVidia has better AI processing

[toxic void]

Nvidia only has that, and ray tracing, going for it

RX 7900 XTX has better drivers 🙂

AMD finally beat Nvidia on that

[dark plover]

CUDA runs better multithread and deep learning processes than AMD's architecture

but at this point im gonna get amd for my next gpu

[toxic void]

ye, cus AMD wasnt made for that

[dark plover]

hell maybe even intel

[toxic void]

AMD has rendering in mind, which is why they're better for gaming

Intel GPU's are awful lmao

idk if you watched the celebration for the alchemist series

but it was just two 3080's in a system, and they claimed it to be their new alchemist card

[dark plover]

i guess a way to say it is that NVidia GPUs are closer to work horses while AMDs are more like racing horses

[dark plover]

lmao

[toxic void]

ye, Intel has never been good with GPU's

and their CPU's have been falling off for years

AMD released, or is about to release, the Ryzen 9 7950x 3D variant.

which has a lot more qualities to it than the non 3D variant

[dark plover]

this all reminds me that i have to fix my server pc

its sitting behind me collecting dust

either way im gonna get off, good talk

[toxic void]

ye haha

[wanton orchid]

cuda is nothing more than a software suit name

Software which are not optimized for and not optimized by amd

[stray badger]

And how does that actually work on a software level?

[maiden coyote]

Do you have one?

Cuda is just opengl or whatever for nivida. They both do the same thing unless you're software is optimized for cuda.. then nivida wins. I've got all 3 gpus.. nivida is your only option if you want ai

[wanton orchid]

drivers ask about motherboard informations
which has serial and uuid in it

and yes that can be spoofed

[maiden coyote]

Otherwise nivida and amd game about the same driver wise. Intel mostly wirks

I'm not really sure what banned hardware is.. unless we're talking about chrome books and macos

[wanton orchid]

there can be multiple ways
but usually is motherboard
because you do not change motherboard without rebuilding a pc usually

[maiden coyote]

Banned from what?

[wanton orchid]

wdym from what ?

[maiden coyote]

How would a motherboard be banned? Banned from a service like a game?

[wanton orchid]

^

[maiden coyote]

What driver tho? Ig I'm a little late to the party and slow tonight lol

[toxic void]

Anyone know how I report a discord user for being underage?

theres someone in here constantly asking people to play and he's 10 lmao

[maiden coyote]

I think you click on name and report

[wanton orchid]

vanguard for instance it's acpi and smbios tables informations

you sound like new to os api

[maiden coyote]

Ah alright, banned from a game.

[wanton orchid]

there are other way too
but less reliable but can be used when aggregated

[maiden coyote]

Ot sounds a little more indepth than mac address banning lol that's easy enough to change

That's the result when you have to give their anticheat full access to your system

[wanton orchid]

the more sensitive to hardware info you get the more sensitive to firmware updates and settings you also get
so it's a dynamic way of managing things
usually most ac etc use multiple dumb tricks only though

like uuid and mac

[maiden coyote]

Why is it always valorant when it's something anticheat related

Ring 0 anticheat.. I'd expect nothing less than vanguard totally owning your shit.

[wanton orchid]

yep

[maiden coyote]

I've seen/heard enough negative about their system to never want to play that game

[wanton orchid]

they mess with your other games too

[twin dew]

Fuck Ubisoft and AC Valhalla devs.... 1.7.0 (final) game version.

For some things they change the global game speed.
And they change it by modifiers, not by setting it to specific speed...
And in some cases you can make the game miss the "set the speed back to normal" trigger, causing the whole gameplay run too fast...
And you can stack that by repeating...
And getting it back to normal is PAIN, as the speed seems to be included in the save.

Fortunately I didn't pay myself anything for the game.

Even weirder is that for some things, they seems to take "backup" of the game speed, then set to static value, and restore from that backup value when returning to normal gameplay...

[soft bloom]

Somehow YT thought this is relevant today for me
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2CH2SO7sGlU

[soft bloom]

is this some villain arc?

[twin dew]

25A for whole house, or 25A for oven & cooktop only?

Yeah, 25A for just oven & cooktop is the norm now AFAIK, and "crappy" models might work with "just" 20A.

I did live in apartment with 40A main breaker.
So the same as you, with just electric cooking as Finland has never really had gas infrastructure for homes.

Old buildings have much less total capacity as it wasn't used as much when the buildings were built.

[pure karma]

hardware ban, so you would have to swap out your motherboard to get unbanned

[twin dew]

Ban based on some "unique" ID in the MB, like integrated LAN MAC address or serial number in UEFI data.
Which can all be changed and often the UEFI data isn't unique anyways.

[wanton orchid]

there is part of it that never is the same
but I agree this can be spoofed anyway

[twin dew]

MAC is unique from factory (except when manufacturer fucks up).
So far, running out and plans are to start reusing old ones.

The UEFI stuff cannot be trusted to be unique, as often the fields aren't populated and just contain placeholder data common to whole model.

But with MAC based ban, even if the number wasn't changeable or spoofable, you can just disable the MB lan, and buy cheap LAN cards each time.

When you can get those for about 10e each new.

[wanton orchid]

you still need skuuid which is uuid

[twin dew]

Often not populated in UEFI data structures.

Any of that sort of data, as they are optional and just for identification.

[wanton orchid]

I'm saying that while my motherboard have
model "Model"
manufacturer "Manufacturer"
it still have uuid "4ef2-.."

[twin dew]

Much of the SMBIOS DMI stuff isn't populated in various MB models.

Yes, some have, not all.

[wanton orchid]

but their should have at least one uuid

except probably for old ones

uuid is cheap to produce and does not give structural or buyer information

[twin dew]

But still needs per MB programming, instead of just pushing identical data to all production.

[wanton orchid]

every mother board have spi chips and the like now
unique data are already stored

you can just ask firmware to look it up to populate smbios

[twin dew]

You need to program that ID into the chip at some point...

[wanton orchid]

I'm saying these have unique id's already

[twin dew]

It isn't in empty FLASH chip.
It gets programmed there during the manufacturing.

And there have been stuff produced with all the MBs having same data in that System/UUID field of SMBIOS DMI data.

Yes, in MOST current MBs that is actually unique.
But that cannot be TRUSTED on.

And as it is just editable data in the MB Firmware FLASH chip, it can be easily edited.
It just isn't normally emptied or overwritten on BIOS update, unless you use specific options.

But that is because the updaters are specifically written to ignore by default that part of the BIOS update file contents and not clear and rewrite the specific parts of the FLASH chips.

That SMBIOS DMI UUID isn't some flash chip "serial" number.
It is just data that got written to the flash chip when it was programmed with the UEFI/BIOS firmware, before or after being mounted/soldered to the MB.
Usually after these days, which is the reason there is programming header near the SPI FLASH chip on basically all MBs.

So the MB serial can also be written into the same data area.

[wanton orchid]

I'm not saying that it is not trash data sometimes
I'm just saying that it CAN be implemented to be unique even without relying on flash data directly
btw that's how "fTPM" works too
any motherboard that can support some kind of "fTPM" can produce unique ids reliably too
I do not advocate for motherboard manufacturer stupidity

and anyway I already said it could be spoofed too
so we agree on that

[twin dew]

None of the unique data in TPM is given out.
Only second order stuff.
So the TPM key is used to generate second key, which is then used to bind or wrap user data.
And clearing the TPM clears those first order generated keys.

[wanton orchid]

just because I'm explaining what it uses mostly for "hardware ban" does not mean I think it's reliable or smart in any way

[wanton orchid]

it have logic to generate ids

and I said fTPM
only real TPM really is closed

[twin dew]

the fTPM:s aren't any more accessible to the UEFI than the separate chip TPMs.
AMDs one is separate ARM CPU in the main CPU for example.

in the main silicon I mean.

And for HW ID, you need some way to get SAME ID out each time.
Most of the TPM functions are meant to give you new ones each time in secure way.

That Binding would be the closest to what would be needed, to get TPM dependant answer when given "question", but that can be just reset with the Clear TPM.

Based on quick look what TPM 2.0 supports.

[wanton orchid]

I meant the TPM system have an uuid too iirc
and again I never said it was reliable
of-course it is not anyway

the talk was about automatically getting unique id's without having to manufacture one directly in motherboard making

[twin dew]

TPM can be used to generate UUIDs.
But it won't generate same one each time.
And you can AFAIK save that generated UUID in the TPM, but clearing it removes any such saved ones.

[wanton orchid]

I mean not hard to make firmware with
stored uuid ? 0
-> generate TPM uuid
-> store uuid
1 : use stored uuid

[twin dew]

And you could just generate UUID even without TPM if the SMI field was unpopulated with just the normal CPU HW random number generator.
But still would need to be coded.
And currently all the major MB manufacturers handle the SMI UUID populating correctly.
Not sure about HP, Dell, etc. for the consumer systems.
For corporate systems even they they do it correctly as the serials etc. need to be written anyways to be right ones and writing the UUID can easily be handled at the same time.

[wanton orchid]

of-course
I was just talking about there are process to produce uuid on the fly to populate it for lazy manufacturers

[twin dew]

Anyways, time to kill the MB by updating to newest UEFI & AGESA.

[mental oriole]

Too bad it's a short.

[twin dew]

Done \o/

Need to do more complete settings tune later.

So now on BIOS 2007 / AGESA 1.1.7.0 patch A

From 1905 & 1.1.0.2 Patch B

Asus already has semi-public 2101 with AGESA 1.1.8.0 out on forums.
How to categorize version that is put on enthuist forums, but not on the MB support sites as BETA?

And now Asus is setting FCLK to 2000MHz too when it is on Auto...
When the RAM is on 4800MT/s Auto...

[charred pewter]

what in tar nation .... the game speed keeps getting faster ??

[twin dew]

Yes... makes timing parries and dodges pretty hard after couple of rounds of extra speed...

[charred pewter]

ive not yet installed to play that game ... is it before or after odyssy?

[twin dew]

Next game after Odyssey in the series.

[charred pewter]

ok, so i got prolly a year before i finally get around to it 😆

[twin dew]

The Real-world times go all over.

[charred pewter]

so like the change is intentional though? thats crazy... is it sposed to simulate blood lust or somethin

[twin dew]

Just a thing in the "River Raids" DLC, which is mostly optional.

[twin dew]

No, obvious bug.
Specific things ingame happen in "fast forward" so they don't take so long player time, and some bugs in moving back to normal speed after in that River Raids mode.

But cannot be sure if it is in the 1.7.0, or just the extra solution on top I have.
There is another confirmed speedup bug in 1.7.0, but the devs had already been shuttered and that only affects certain videos playback speed.

But in River Raids, if you are moving with sail up (speeded up game), and "dismount", the extra speedup isn't removed.
Need to get sail down first, wait for that to happen, then dismount from the ship control.

And another is if you start a raid in that mode from in ship control, you get it again at least on some of the maps.
Because the "Start Raid" makes the game fast-forward while the ship moves to shore, and you automatically "dismount" while that is still happening.

You can do it again and again to get higher and higher gameplay speed...

So needed to sail near the raid, stop, dismount, get to ground, then call for raid...

Doesn't IIRC happen on the main game raiding or sailing.

But for some reason the step-down from such fast-forward isn't just setting certain base speed...
But is working on offsets for some of them.
So when one "downclock" is missed, you need to hit one of the speedups that speeds down by setting specific speed, and not just removing the offset it set at start.

Part of it is removed when you save, quit game, start game, load.
Some other part needed entering first River Raid map and exiting back to main world.
I think I'm back to base speed again now, but not completely sure, and would need to play pretty long intruduction sequence before I could compare...

[charred pewter]

well ... thats so weird !

[twin dew]

Yeah... Made a system where they somehow expected to be stacking gameplay speed modifiers...
Instead of just using constants for each speed wanted.

And in some places using constants and in some places using modifiers.
With even same type, but different exact thing using one or the other.

[charred pewter]

🤦

honestly i couldnt even imagine why ... its like just two speeds... normal gameplay, and sped up to move the player along .......

and then to save that state in the save file ... 🤦 🤦

[twin dew]

"I want this thing to be sped up by 50%, so I'll just take current speed and multiply it by 1.5, and then when I'm done I'll just divide by 1.5".
Instead of just using 1x and 1.5x speed constants...

[charred pewter]

right lol

must be a 'coder' and not a 'programmer' doing the job 😉

[twin dew]

And that on that River Raids mode, there might be actual differences between the specific maps on how that is implemented...
Because some maps seem to work to get back to normal speed, some don't, etc.

[charred pewter]

its almost like they just hired some 'modder' to do the dlc for them

[twin dew]

And the normal game ship doesn't seem to cause the issues, but the River Raids mode ship (separate one, you can customize separately) does.

Probably the better people got moved to next project and the later patches and DLCs were done by the B-team.

After the first few patches were done.

[charred pewter]

people who didnt fully understand the code, so just kinda hacked in what they needed

[twin dew]

But anyways, there are some slow-motion speeds for combat when you get specific skills.
Then there is in theory that normal game speed.
Then couple of fast-forward speeds for ship travel and raid starting etc.

And how the swithing between them is implemented is all over the place...

When that normal game speed should absolutely be some global constant you use to set the actual game speed to on all exits from one of the others...

And it isn't that even on the main game side except for some random cases.

Just that on the base game side I haven't hit case where it didn't handle both directions correctly.
Just that most of the base game speed switches don't fix the issue if the River Raids has already supercharged the speed.

[charred pewter]

heh, and if anything... loading a save shouldnt ever really be putting you in a sped up/down situation (combat or fast travel) ... so loading a save SHOULD just set all speed to base speed !

[twin dew]

Yup.

But again, there should never be situation when those modifiers are stacked either.

[charred pewter]

that too ... combat on fast travel ship 😆

travel on a horse on your ship makes it double speed!!!

thats how physics work, right lol

[sharp oasis]

So far Linux now works ish

I have a pretty big hit to download speed

And it's just with steam

[maiden coyote]

due to how invasive the anticheat is, it sounds like at least a reinstall of windows. it's also almost impossible to run using a VM. even if riot (tencent) is a loving do no evil and only good corporation that only saves the data of yours that it needs for your account to function. There is no way they can guarantee that what's effectively a rootkit is completely secure without any backdoors. There's no reason they should need that level of system access to "make sure the game is fair for everyone"

[sharp oasis]

What game is this

[twin dew]

Cheaper than coding the game servers to not trust the clients, and then having to have more power to verify if what the client says it did is actually possible etc.

[sharp oasis]

As I think this sounds like D2 so far

[twin dew]

Now that player-run servers aren't really a thing anymore.

[maiden coyote]

valorant.

[sharp oasis]

Oglh

Just as bad

D2 won't work for me. Even in vms.

I cannot run it unless I actually install windows

[twin dew]

So the game companies want the server costs as low as possible, so untrusted client model isn't economical.
So they just go for extremely invasive anticheats instead.

[sharp oasis]

Like idk how but helldivers runs fine on Linux and it has an anticheat

[maiden coyote]

and then you trust their their cheap method doesn't compromise your computer. lovely.

[twin dew]

Not their problem 🥹

[sharp oasis]

Like I'm already loving Linux but I have a hatred for companies who do that.

Who make it harder for anyone but windows to play

[maiden coyote]

I can't believe people tolerate that.. and the worst part is I'm pretty sure they don't tell you how invasive their shit is when you install it on your machine..

[sharp oasis]

My move to Linux was out of curiosity.

And me eating a fresh start with something different running the scene

I actually enjoy Linux and the jank that it can sometimes be

Like breaking everything

And then fixing it again.

[maiden coyote]

I use linux on my rpi's.. and when I rebuild my proxmox host to not use 200W and sound like a airliner at takeoff thrust I'll use it more

[sharp oasis]

I use it as I can do really silly things

Like a 2tb hdd

With a 500GB cache

[sterile plinth]

guys is 85c a normal temperature for a cpu? it looks a bit.. high

[sharp oasis]

:D

[sharp oasis]

Depends

Is it under like full load.

Or like just games

[sterile plinth]

full load

[sharp oasis]

What cpu

[sterile plinth]

ryzen 5600, im playing rust and doing some benchmarks

[languid gulch]

sounds like a stock cooler

[twin dew]

So completely safe.
95C is the throttle limit and the CPU is designed to be safe to use at that temp for years.

[maiden coyote]

it's fine if that's an all core load.

[sharp oasis]

Warmer then what I'd do. But safe

[sterile plinth]

oh okay

btw i think ive asked this again but if both my cpu and gpu are at 70-80% why isnt the game using up more resources?

[languid gulch]

are the settings maxxed out?

[sharp oasis]

Game engines may not be able to perfectly use all resources. Or may not need to

[sterile plinth]

... no im trying to get fps

[maiden coyote]

if it's not an all cores at 100% you might want to look into a bigger cpu cooler... but if all cores are 100% and you're hitting 85C that's probably acceptable unless you're running workloads on it that keep it there.

is vsync on?

[twin dew]

Most games cannot hit all threads with full load.

[sterile plinth]

no

[twin dew]

And get limited by single thread performance.

[languid gulch]

yea, most games still only use 1 thread

[maiden coyote]

^

[twin dew]

Use multiple, but the main one will limit the overall load.

[maiden coyote]

Games are 1-2 threads at most.. a few games will use more, but the main game is always single threaded.

[languid gulch]

it's kinda like a car, just because you're not redlining it constantly doesn't mean it's not doing its job the best

[sharp oasis]

Like ready or not. It slams one thread and a few others are a bit busy with it but one is being curbstomped by mem handling

[maiden coyote]

I'm loving the fact that my sf dedi only uses 3-4GB of ram now.

[maiden coyote]

I'm in the us

[jagged snow]

It's even possible to offload that to parallel threads, but you'll still end up with one thread handling synchronisation etc that'll become your bottleneck in most cases

Asynchronous loads don't really show up that often in gaming unfortunately

[jagged snow]

I'm suffering right now

Why is wifi such a pain to work with

[charred pewter]

you stuck using wifi only 😦

[jagged snow]

Temporarily

[charred pewter]

always sucks dropping to wifi ....

[jagged snow]

Yeah

My pc currently keeps jumping from the wap that's about 20 feet away from me to the one that's 200ft away on the other side of two concrete walls and a bunch of dirt

Even with roaming agressiveness set to lowest

[charred pewter]

well thats weird

[jagged snow]

Yeah, not too sure what to do about it

[charred pewter]

do they have the same ssid

[jagged snow]

Yup

But they're on non-overlapping channels

Which doesn't really do anything here lol

[charred pewter]

i made my repeaters have different names, and it tends to make my laptop NOT use them in those cases... but if i want too, i have to switch my choice over

if i allow it to be automatic... it flips randomly ... annoying

like if i have my laptop 'learn' that one and is in the list of 'automatically connect when in range'

but this is mac, prolly behaves different™

all my PC are hardwired in lol ... fuck wifi!

[jagged snow]

I currently have the two waps set up with 80mhz channel width on channels 48 and 161

It's actually making me wonder if the issue is with my PC wifi card or something

Because from my phone I'm getting about 150mbps, which is pretty reasonable for 802.11ac

[twin dew]

Or the PC antenna location?

[jagged snow]

It's about a foot away from where I tested with my phone, on top of the desk

[tough owl]

is it wifi 6 ax201?

[jagged snow]

No, wifi 5

802.11ac

[tough owl]

weird cuz those drivers should be well established with minimal issues

[jagged snow]

Channels 149 and 161 will overlap at 80mhz channel width, right?

[tough owl]

I believe so

[jagged snow]

Well, I swapped the channels around so apparently it was just the nic on my pc not playing nice with those low-freq channels

Getting around 150mbps on the pc and 225 on the phone from the same location now

[maiden coyote]

can you or have you set mininum RSSI?

[jagged snow]

Not on the ap side, don't have fancy unifi gear

On the client side it's set to minimum

[maiden coyote]

it'll have to be set on the wap itself.. it prevents a device from connecting if it's signal strength is too weak.

[sharp oasis]

Hence it just gets slammed anyway

[jagged snow]

Yeah, like I said the solution for now seemed to just be swapping channels on the two aps

[maiden coyote]

I was going suggest separate SSID's if possible.

[jagged snow]

Yeah, probably not an option

[maiden coyote]

mesh networks are tricky. I have a little bit of an issue where devices won't switch to the closest AP, but my AP's are also pretty close together

[jagged snow]

That's really just an issue in the wifi standard itself

[maiden coyote]

as far as non overlapping channels.. that's a pain. at 80mhz you have 2 non overlapping

[jagged snow]

Yeah, it is what it is

[twin dew]

On shitty gear that doesn't want to do weather radar detection, that is needed for those channels from 100 up.

[maiden coyote]

42, and 15x something are your two 80mhz channels ( in the US)

[twin dew]

This is the US allocation.
So many more 80MHz 5GHz channels, even without the 6GHz allocation.

[maiden coyote]

DFS channels are best avoided.. even if you live in BFE with nothing around the wap and client have to do fuckery when using those channels.. ends up causing extra lag

if the lag doesn't matter, then yeah they're fine to use. I tried them and my waps kept getting kicked off of them.

[twin dew]

You might then live in a place they cannot be used.
No problem for me.

And doesn't seem to be problem for Fight or Flight, as the DFS channel worked better.

[maiden coyote]

if you're in the US the fcc makes the AP's shutdown and listen every so often. at least from what I understood.