off-topic-tech

[tough owl]

2014 civic

[languid gulch]

sadly i don't have any pics of that thing

[maiden coyote]

old vehicles have the fuel cell in the cab yeah.

[languid gulch]

here's what it was tho

[maiden coyote]

that was how they did it. no air bags. no seatbelts.

[night girder]

That one is pretty.

Are BMW and Mercedes popular?

[tough owl]

Semi

[night girder]

Because I've seen all type of cars I barely see here 😂

[tough owl]

They’re “luxury”

[languid gulch]

yea, the import fees & repair costs make them luxury

[night girder]

even like the civic, I don't see it a lot.

[languid gulch]

1966 Chevy 3/4 ton. pine wood bed

grandpa's farm truck

[night girder]

Is a wood bed a good thing?

I mean, you can replace it.

[languid gulch]

eh, just shows how old it was

[night girder]

But it also get's damaged

if you throw the tools in etc.

[languid gulch]

it was the last year for wood beds

also back then they kinda lied about how much weight it could carry. that 3/4 ton meant at least, not max

the high beams were a button on the floor you'd step on 😛

[night girder]

sorted by 2023 YTD

but yeah, a lot of BMW and Mercedes

[languid gulch]

i had no idea Opel operated anywhere in the EU

[night girder]

yup

we even got some ford cars 😄

we parents used to have one. Not a cool one though.

[languid gulch]

idk if any fords count as cool 🤣

[night girder]

looked a bit like this:

[languid gulch]

escort?

[night girder]

mondeo

[night girder]

This one is cool 😄

[languid gulch]

OMG it was the Tempo here 🤣

yeesh

[night girder]

Haha 😂

[languid gulch]

now i'm thinking of the Toyota Tercel

[night girder]

90 cars

[languid gulch]

driving the Bolt home, i saw a volkswagen THING 🤣

[night girder]

is that an army design reused?

[languid gulch]

181

[night girder]

looks like an army vehicle

[languid gulch]

west german army, yes 🤣

[night girder]

I didn't want to say it 😂

but yeah, it brings back some old school vibes for sure

[languid gulch]

probably the most hideous car to make it to the US

[maiden coyote]

it's how it was done.

wood bed had it's advantages.. like you didn't really have to worry about a bed liner, or scratching it

[night girder]

still, I think the Multipla is one of the most ugliest car.

[tough owl]

Yes

[maiden coyote]

what about the yugo lol

[tough owl]

it’s fine

[maiden coyote]

yu go i go. lol

[tough owl]

Engineers were high

[night girder]

I don't understand it.

[languid gulch]

the Yugo, at least in the US, kinda matched a lot of the looks of US branded cheap cars, so didn't look quite as bad as it ran

[night girder]

it doesn't look that bad?

[maiden coyote]

wrecker yards were full of them lol.

[night girder]

Oh they are crap?

[languid gulch]

dead after 50k

[night girder]

rofl

[languid gulch]

timing teeth shredded

& it was so cheap that it literally wasn't worth the labor hours to replace

[night girder]

looks a bit like a golf 3

[languid gulch]

kinda like a rabbit

[night girder]

Or maybe more golf 2?

I wouldn't mind getting a golf.

[languid gulch]

too short for me

but i like the look

here's what they all thought they had

[night girder]

Yeah, it's not a big car.

but that means less weight 😂

[tough owl]

My grandparents had one up until 18 months ago

They have a some sort of Saab in their backyard. I kinda want it

[languid gulch]

did they sell the Honda CRX in europe?

[night girder]

not sure tbh

I've seen these around.

[languid gulch]

we had batshit crazy people here throw the legendary chevy small block in the CRX & make it rear wheel drive

[night girder]

Haha 😂

[languid gulch]

600hp in a car with a 1m wheelbase

[tough owl]

I see no issue

[tough owl]

I want one

[languid gulch]

the type R civics & the new sport Camry look really good to me

[night girder]

it looks a bit too extreme for my taste tbh 😄

still an eye catcher

[tough owl]

The racing trims of the Carollaslook nice

The new ones

Or a gr86 I want one of those too

[night girder]

the car or the tires?

[languid gulch]

got a neighbor with one

can't get over the roof boobs

[night girder]

I mean, the car (gr86) looks sick.

[languid gulch]

the one i see doesn't have the 2 ridges on the roof, just the dents for your head. yup, roof boobs

[tough owl]

Car

https://tenor.com/view/mew-cat-kitten-kitty-cute-gif-17624380

[night girder]

👋 me too soon

[tough owl]

it’s the weekend yall weak

[night girder]

2am

[tough owl]

yea and?

Go buy a monster

[night girder]

nah, got stuff to do tomorrow

[tough owl]

yea video gaming

[night girder]

nah 😂 irl stuff

[tough owl]

Pokémon go

[night girder]

people still play that?

[tough owl]

I do on occasion yea

[night girder]

didn't know it was still relevant

still get updates?

[tough owl]

Yea

It has latest gen Pokémon iirc

[night girder]

That's cool. Anyway I am off to bed 👋

[tough owl]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-spider-man-web-of-shadows-depressed-sad-gif-16524395

[night girder]

Its getting too late 😅

[midnight osprey]

hey guys, any idea why full screen is causing it to only use the bottom half of my primary monitor?

[pure karma]

what in the monitor abomination are you using

i guess maby im just too simple of a person

[languid gulch]

multimonitor & full screen stuff and windows just sometimes doesn't like to play nice

[pure karma]

yea whit that many windows i defedently see that happening

[languid gulch]

FancyZones is fun for that kind of thing

[pure karma]

ehh the default window positions are plenty fine for me lol

[abstract hawk]

Are you playing on Samsung the wall???

[pure karma]

no but at this point i probably should XD

the real question is does 12x the tabs = 12x the productivity

[languid gulch]

i want a central ceiling mounted monitor so i can just move it wherever i want

[tough owl]

good lord do you talk to girls?

[pure karma]

no

the last girl i talked to was my cousin like 3 ish years ago now 😂

[tough owl]

😐

bros bloodline is cooked

[pure karma]

socializing is overated

[faint steeple]

Satisfactory update 8 can run on an i3 3470t, Asus GT710 2GB GDDR5, 8GB DDR3 RAM 900mHz and at 30-40 frames
only on DX11 afaik, vulkan crashes the game on start up everytime.

used to play update 5 or 6 with the same specs, surprised Update 8 runs satisfactory relatively smooth lmao

[edgy flint]

It's literally one of the main human needs

[faint steeple]

He says while typing on discord.

[gilded helm]

DX12 still crashes consistently for me 😭

I think Cyberpunk might be the only DX12 game where I don't need to go back to 11?

I'm on Zen3 and Ampere

[pure karma]

look you don't exactly think whit every brain cell when you have been up for 24 hours straight after only getting 3 hours of sleep....

[faint steeple]

heh

[faint steeple]

Its nice having the launch settings in steam

just type -dx11 and youre gucci

[maiden coyote]

damnit this hotels internet is awful.

[faint steeple]

mobile data then?

[maiden coyote]

Shouldn't have to.

[languid gulch]

it's all those trackers on loose hotel internet slowing you down

[maiden coyote]

Prehaps, but wireguard VPN with the kill switched enabled probably takes good care of that

[sharp oasis]

@twin dew could the Quiet Vbios on my card limit TDC and wattage

and can i hotswap vbioses or do i need to shut down and swap

[twin dew]

The devs behind it didn't put up a court fight, as they were actually giving official instructions on how to use it with piracy etc. and sharing the Nintendo IP bits extracted from Switch themselves.

Most emulators don't contain the necessary BIOS-equivalents and encryption key files when you get them, and you have to fetch those from other sources.

So it was settlement, not legal decision.

[twin dew]

the vBIOS is only loaded when the card boots.
Which is why you can boot with one BIOS, change to the other with the switch, and program that.

If you broke it with bad flash for example.

[sharp oasis]

ahh

[twin dew]

So if Yuzu is illegal or not was never determined, as the court case was settled.

Another group took over the actual emulator source and are currently removing the illegal bits (firmware blobs and encryption keys), + doing other cleanup for questionable parts, to launch it under new name.

In same format as most other emulators, which have been previously found legal to exist in court.

So the team behind Yuzu did stupid shit and got sued, and settled with Nintendo instead of litigating the case.
If the emulator itself is illegal was never determined, and in previous cases emulators of consoles have been determined to be legal, with specific restristions that you cannot include the firmware blobs etc.

As those are the console maker IP.
If you do complete rewrite of that, then that could be included (like original IBM PC BIOS reverse engineering and then rewrite from generated spec).

The group behind Yuzu didn't follow the legal route, as they were in it for the profit, and their profits would have been much lower if the emulator didn't function out of the box (Nintendo IP binary blobs missing) and if they didn't support piracy directly.

And that "in for the profit" was part of why Nintendo went after them.

[visual tree]

"Everything is working, why do we even pay you IT guys? Let's just fire you!"

Few days later: "Why is nothing working? Where are the IT guys?"

[edgy hazel]

the best is
"Why would we need to buy new switches? The current ones work fine"

sir this motherfucker got its last update in 2004

[visual tree]

I bet a switch from 2004 is 100 Mbit/s or even less. It might have been good back then but now it's like having a 4 mbit/s internet connection

[dire igloo]

Also: "IT is working fine so far, we can cut funding" while you're on your last straw and desperately need to replace the servers

All the while HR keeps hiring people so you gotta accommodate more and more load

[visual tree]

I am jealous of our company IT department because employees bring in their private laptops or phones and pay them money for solving issues

Worked in an IT department long time ago and didn't ask for money when I helped people with private stuff. I was very happy when they only brought me a chocolate lol

[dire igloo]

Government agency - also we're too overworked and understaffed to be able to do that

[visual tree]

💀

I wouldn't let that sales guy anywhere near electronics. It's a huge step forward if he knows how to start a car engine

[quasi citrus]

Not an universal experience.

[wanton orchid]

but does it have brake ?

[visual tree]

Just did some internet and cell phone plan cost calculations for 24 months, can't believe it totally costs €1.500 for the internet and phone plans in 24 months 👀

[jagged snow]

Wow that Internet is cheap

[visual tree]

Yeah, saw Internet is very expensive in US even if it's not fiber

[jagged snow]

Between their two phone plans and net my parents are paying somewhere around 120/mo

[visual tree]

I bet people spend more money on cigarettes each year so I shouldn't complain 😅

[maiden coyote]

I never really thought much about 5g blocking paint.. but now I want to paint the exterior of my house with it.

[jagged snow]

Which to me seems frankly ridiculous, they could easily halve their phone bill

[maiden coyote]

a pack of cigs is roughly $10 a day.. so $10 x 365 for most pack a day smokers

[visual tree]

Good thing I am not a smoker

[wanton orchid]

pack a day is a lot

[jagged snow]

I know a few people that do more

[wanton orchid]

I hate smokers because then the bad air go into my lungs

[jagged snow]

And plenty of people that come close

[dire igloo]

even pack a week puts you on an annual bill of $520 (and of all the smokers that I know, that's a fairly low estimate)

[maiden coyote]

Yeah, there ain't no smoker I know that goes through a pack a week.

Most it's 1-2 packs a day.

at the least a pack every other day.

[charred pewter]

gah

[maiden coyote]

if you vape, it's getting worse because we hate vapers in the US

[tough owl]

why dont they switch to like visible or mint 💀

[maiden coyote]

When I first set all of my AP's up, it worked great and I was getting 1gbps up/down over wifi. Now I'm down to something like 100-200 mbps until I set the power on my AP's to high and now it's back.

the ISP modem/router combo boxes they push are awful.

[tough owl]

nicotine addition is strong

[maiden coyote]

or consumer cellular.. but I think they're in germany so no budget side carriers.

[tough owl]

consumer cellular is another mvno on tmobile net

along with a ton of other ones

[jagged snow]

Because stubborn
I have a plan through mint and I've been really happy with it

[tough owl]

iirc with mint you have to pay in 3 months for the deal or a year at the time for the deal pricing no?

In the bubble sort algorithm, the inner loop iterates _________ for each of the unsorted array elements.
for the life of me I have no idea what this could be

[jagged snow]

Something like that
I did the 6 months promo and got the first 6 for $10/mo

[dire igloo]

every element in the array that isn't in its correct position will run through the "inner loop"

Basically:
outer loop = run for every element
inner loop = check this element against all others
(on a large enough scale for an unsorted array)

The inner loop is quite simple:
run through the entire array from front to back, switch items that are in the wrong order.
This way you will have moved the biggest item to the furthest back position.
Now you need to reiterate that for the rest of the array

if you think this is inefficient: yes, it is. Big O of n² - unless the array is sorted, than you run through the list once and you are done (Quicksort and Mergesort for example take much longer to "re-sort" an already sorted list)

[steel peak]

does the technology exist to connect a tablet to pc yet like a PADD and LCARS

[pure karma]

cant you allready do that on any android device?

[steel peak]

how

[pure karma]

i dont know but my freind does it

not sure what he uses it for but he figured it out

[languid gulch]

did a new first for me today

[charred pewter]

on macs and ios devices ... sidecar is kinda built in

it like makes them one thing and you can controll them both, drag things from one to another ...

(or maybe im thinking of something different)

clearly i dont use it myself (i dont have an ipad) ...

[pure karma]

it can only be done whit a ipad pro which is like 1200$ and its MacOS exclusive if i remember corectly

[charred pewter]

ah

i use VNC myself between all my home machines.... its just so much easier to pull up any machine on any machine and control it directly that way (vnc is built in on mac, and tightvnc is free and clean on windows)

tinyvnc / tightvnc ... uhhhhh ... shit, cant recall which one i use LOL!!! holy crap my brain isnt working anymore

im currently remote, so i cannot access my home network lol (curse of locking too much down behind the firewall)

[tough owl]

Any ipad and mac produced within the last 6 years is capable

[stray badger]

Samsung has DEX

[dire igloo]

maybe "once"?
or "a position swap"?

[jagged snow]

@pure karma adb has screen casting functionality

[night girder]

It does 😂

They push the car pretty hard on the track and seems to do well. Not sure what tires were on it. If not mistaken track ones.

[pure karma]

mine cant 😐

[tough owl]

skill issue

[faint steeple]

more on satisfactory on a potato. you can run it absolutely cranked on a GT710 windowed 1/4 of your screen.

not rtx level or even gtx ofc, but for a card from 2014. i can pretty much play satisfactory at 15-25fps maxed out

on "low" i had horrible gameplay than on "high"

this below is maxed out graphics

[faint steeple]

Tho playing on Low with Higher screen percentage is preferable, atleast 30 fps

[pure karma]

your telling me you got better performance whit a gt710 than i did whit my 13700k's iGPU?

[jagged snow]

Resolution was not mentioned

[pure karma]

i mean that looks like 1080p

ehh maby 720

[rotund hamlet]

before update 8 i could do 1080p60 on all low with r.screenPercentage 90 on a GTX 760

[faint steeple]

It was on my clipboard, and yea its around 720p and windowed to a 1/4 of my screen

[jagged snow]

You are a very poor judge of resplution

Goes to show that people really don't need 4k like they think they do in a lot of cases

[pure karma]

still beat about the best as it gets for a desktop igpu and thats enough to impress me

[pure karma]

well the icons look like trash but the world dosent look half bad

[jagged snow]

For games, that's the biggest improvement from more resolution - ui

[pure karma]

yea because its generally most noticeable when its low res

[faint steeple]

I have not tried integrated graphics yet. hmm

[pure karma]

it only works on low go any higher and then screen just goes an orange red and bricks the game

so if you do keep that in mind...

[faint steeple]

it would be nice to be able to run integrated and dedicated at the same time. sucks
like have intergrated doing background processing, and gpu doing foreground or something

[jagged snow]

Not really feasible for the same game

You can, however, dedicate a gpu to a specific application or displau

[tough owl]

1080p is fine for gaming but desktop use 1440p is so much better

https://fixupx.com/nolancargill/status/1776654892951642339

[jagged snow]

All screen size dependant

Don't mind 1080 at 16in whatsoever

[tough owl]

At 27 it’s bad

So bad I get headaches after 3 hours or so

[jagged snow]

Oh it doesn't bother me that much

My secondary is 27in 1080p

But I sit fairly far away from it compared to my orimary

[tough owl]

I sit within 15-23 inches of mine

[languid gulch]

well they're lucky to have all fingers & eyebrows

[pulsar pagoda]

how do i add someone else lets play to my files ?

[jagged snow]

#faq

#satisfactory if you still can't figure it out

[night girder]

How to erase data securily 😂

[charred pewter]

but did the drill hit the tiny dram chips 😄

[tough owl]

cant get the data if there is no power to it, right?

[visual tree]

Great, I am locked out of NAS because of 2FA time synchronisation issue....

[mental oriole]

Rip.

https://gist.github.com/timvisee/fcda9bbdff88d45cc9061606b4b923ca

[visual tree]

I could reset the NAS without data loss but then I need to configure other settings again....

[dire igloo]

https://videocardz.com/newz/gamers-report-memory-rgb-lights-are-damaging-gpu-backplates

[languid gulch]

is it only Nvidia ones?

either way, makes me even more secure in the blackout look i went with

[night girder]

What happened? More details?

[visual tree]

Tried to log in with 2FA but NAS doesn't accept the codes which is most likely caused by time synchronisation issues

And the emergency code sent is not being sent to my email....

[night girder]

synology NAS?

[visual tree]

Yeah, had this problem before and had to reset the configuration

[night girder]

Twice I was thinking about enabling it, but I didn't dare because I am afraid something goes wrong (like in your situation). I am happy I didn't do it 😄

It sounds scary to lose access to a NAS to be fair.

[visual tree]

Won't lose data, just the configuration if I do the reset

[night girder]

All the other 2FA never gave me any trouble.

[visual tree]

But I don't want to waste time on doing config again 😅

[night girder]

I am not 100% sure if I follow you.

[visual tree]

You can reset synology NAS without erasing data on the discs

[night girder]

Doesn't this mean, people with bad intentions, can also just reset your NAS and get rid of 2FA? They will need to break into your house?

I am not so familiar with this subject for synology since I never had to reset it 😄

[visual tree]

If a hacker has physical access to your devices, you are screwed anyways lol

Whatever device you have

[night girder]

Yeah, totally right. Just weird.

Is it possible to reset remotely? That would be a problem

[visual tree]

I just need to push the pin in a reset hole

[night girder]

And it resets to default admin account and everything?

[visual tree]

Yes

[night girder]

Interesting, never had file permission issues?

[visual tree]

Only when I tried to install something over SSH but solved it by going into Synology GUI and editing permissions

[tough owl]

starfishneuroscience.com/team/

uhh did gaben loose weight?

[visual tree]

He looks like a completely different person on that picture 👀

Maybe he was working day and night on Half Life 3 he forgot to eat

[night girder]

for years

[visual tree]

Worst punishment to a gamer: send him to prison a day before HL3 is released

*unless it's a prison in Finland where you can use consoles

[night girder]

you punish a gamer by taking away the console

and the pc. and the phone.

you could try to get a DnD group going inside prison 😂

[twin dew]

TOTP type 2FA needs the computers clocks to be within few minutes of each other.
Usually the "correct" code, and one before and after are accepted.
And for example Google has code validity period of 30 seconds.

So about 45 second time offset gives 50% chance the code will be accepted.
30 second one is always accepted.

And after 60 seconds, no chance.

So if NTP isn't working, then TOTP will stop working once one of the clocks drifts.

[twin dew]

So try changing the code generating device clock in half the code change interval steps first in one direction, then in another, from the correct time.
Up to few minutes difference.

Whops, do it in full interval steps, not half.

[visual tree]

Thanks for help. I already did the reset before I read your message 😅

Glad configuration is at least intact so I don't have to configure everything again

I just turned off 2FA on my NAS because I only have issues with it

I always use 2FA if possible on all websites but I guess it won't hurt much to turn it off on a local NAS

[twin dew]

And for the mail reset to work, you would have needed to configure SMTP settings in the NAS.

Before you got locked out.

To point to your ISP SMTP server, or any other you have access to.

[visual tree]

If a hacker is good enough to break into my home network, he is probably good enough to bypass 2FA lol

Mail is working again 👍

[twin dew]

And just remembered, that too large clock drift might stop that working too...

So set and test the NTP settings in the NAS?

[edgy hazel]

There has been such a clear downward trend

[dire igloo]

It's to counter the trend of game names growing so fast.
We went from Battlefield 1 to V (five) to 2042 within three releases

Or look at BioShock: 1, 2, Infinite. That's gotta drive up the average

[edgy hazel]

BioShock Infinite is a clear outlier and has solely been made to poison our data

[dire igloo]

What good is a statistic of averages if we exclude outliers?

[edgy hazel]

Because of Spider Georg

[dire igloo]

your data is also flawed, you started 1970 instead of 1990 to include the Atari naming and you missed that 360 is in reality just 2π

[dire igloo]

Exactly

[edgy hazel]

"average person eats 3 spiders a year" factoid actualy just statistical error. average person eats 0 spiders per year. Spiders Georg, who lives in cave & eats over 10,000 each day, is an outlier adn should not have been counted

[dire igloo]

The average person has never been born, any egg that completes the unlikely event of being fertilized, growing to become a baby and managing to get born alive is an outlier

[rotund hamlet]

wait... isn't this a troll graph showing the number in the product

[twin dew]

Yes?
"Number of Videos Game"

With logarithmic scale.

[edgy hazel]

The best scale

[twin dew]

But where are Commodore 64 and 128?

😜

[edgy hazel]

In the trash next to my computer where they belong

[mental oriole]

Oh no....

[pure karma]

does anyone actually care about the eclipse?

[quasi citrus]

you are the total eclipse of my heart

[wanton orchid]

it's not number of videos game
but number of console

So this is not only a troll it's also a lie

[mental oriole]

No because I wont be able to see it.

[pure karma]

im dead center of it so yea....

might try and get a video of it but considering all the cameras i have are terrible its probably just not gonna work like at all

the best camera i have that even has a focus im prettysure is a 0.8 mega pixel camera

[charred pewter]

here is a video of a bright dot that dims and then gets bright again

[pure karma]

yea thats probably what it would end up looking like 🤣

[charred pewter]

totality should* ?! pass over here, so we gonna watch from the backyard

also watch a partial eclipse happen at my house through the remote security cameras lol

[pure karma]

i forgot what power efficiency felt like

i can tell you it feels like waiting 10 minutes for each thing you try and do

[cobalt ivy]

somehow this made budget sense nearly a year ago. now i get to guess what the next x3d chip will be and wait for it,i can wonder if ill get a pcie 5.0 gpu or give in and upgrade before, i can upgrades to a 5.0 m.2 now, and ill need a new psu since i only nabbed a 650 watt. it's better then my last pc that's nearly 12 years old. I just kept the same gpu from it.

[edgy hazel]

when did I get a new PC? I ship-of-theseusd my PC. Technically it's still an optiplex

my good ol 5800x3D-7900xt optiplex

[dire igloo]

X670E made sense a year ago?
Anyways, gen 5 doesn't have a worthwhile usecase
650W PSUs are fine for a lot of things, 4070 Super is definitely good with that system.
7800x3d is a 100W CPU, it's not too demanding either.
The bigger issue would be PSU quality, not wattage.

Just remember the golden rule of PC upgrades: only upgrade if you aren't happy with something - and only upgrade that something that you are unhappy with

[twin dew]

That headlline SSD speed has almost no effect on real life performance.
Unless you are doing lot of pure file copying or like for some weird reason.

[dire igloo]

It's only applicable to short bursts, the speeds quickly plummet - and then there are MAP1602 + 232L TLC drives that absolutely storm away

[twin dew]

And again, only in very specific workloads.
Most normal use is small queue depth random read/write.

[dire igloo]

Yeah

The stuff people most people care about in an SSD (load times) doesn't even benefit from gen 4 over gen 3

[twin dew]

And until we get new controllers etc. that don't generate insane heat and need those giant active coolers...

Even best SSDs can only do about 100MB/s at QD1 4k random read.

[dire igloo]

E27T is quite efficient

And MAP1602 is crazy efficient for performance vs heat

[twin dew]

I was talking about the PCIe 5.0 SSDs

Not PCIe 4.0 ones.

Which run with this kind of shit by stock:

[tough owl]

cant wait to slap a cpu cooler on my pcie 6.0 ssd because of all the heat the controller and nand makes

[sand saddle]

@twin dew Could I please get some help from you again?
From my quick google I found that barrel DC connectors aren’t standardized, could you tell me from these pictures which way to connect it?
I lost the adapter, but have one with same voltage and higher amperage so I want to connect this one. Already bought the correct sized connector(barrel) that goes into the hole, just need to know the + and -

[twin dew]

You don't have the case for that?
Or what is it?

[sand saddle]

Router

Took it apart

[twin dew]

Usually marked on the case.

This is probably +.

[tough owl]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[sand saddle]

Thank you!

So I assumed

[sand saddle]

Cuz I didn’t see any markings on the case and I was hoping to mitigate the chances of me killing it

That or I’m stupid

[twin dew]

So probably the normal - on outside, + on inside that is ALMOST standard today.

[sand saddle]

Thank you, will do that then.

We’ll see in an hour or so if it works.

[twin dew]

Because the outside is connected to PCB fill, and also has visible surface.

And that back contact goes into traces.

Would need to check with some chip pinout or like to be certain.
But the fill seems to be 0V, like most designs are.

Also if you have the original power supply, it might have the polarity marking on it?

[sharp oasis]

Question for you baldur. How well does Intel 12th gen handle ram could to handle 6000mhz

[twin dew]

12000MT/s? No chance.
6000MT/s, all should probably do it fine.

[sharp oasis]

Aye

[dire igloo]

6400 also very doable

[sharp oasis]

I'm looking at a upgrade from the 5800x

As cyberpunk at 1440 even is cpu bottlenecked due to me using XESS

And that for some reason seems to EAT my cpu cores alive.

[sand saddle]

Lost it

[sharp oasis]

Could I go down from a Z790 or for better ram compatibility I should prolly stay on Z790

[sand saddle]

12th gen certainly isn’t a big enough jump from it

[dire igloo]

Z690 is often cheap and well built

[sharp oasis]

Might be if it's a 12900k. Iirc that should have quite a bit more single core pref then the low bin 5800x I have

[sand saddle]

Maybe you have some other problems? The game should be running fine on a modern system.

[dire igloo]

I'd pick 14700k over 12900K any day

[sharp oasis]

I think it's the upscaler as so far if I try to stream it to a freind wile using XESS my 1%s collapse

And pushing cpu to a unstable 4.9 fixed that but I cannot fully remove the cache errs

Only clocks that allow it stay cache err free

Is 4.7 and below all core

And 5.0 on 2 cores

[dire igloo]

Ever thought it may be the streaming not the upscaling?

[sharp oasis]

If I change over to fsr

The 1%s go back to normal

So I'm thinking a combination of both

Is eating my cpu alive

It was only a 720p 30fps stream on discord

Not difficult to handle for any modern cpu

[twin dew]

XeSS has had significant bugs when running with non-Intel.

for IGP/GPU

[sharp oasis]

I'm assuming the way cdpr implemented XESS makes it eat cpu cores alive when on a non Intel gpu

Or what baldur said above

It looks much better then fsr even at balanced

[sharp oasis]

So I've heard a few things of 12700k being able to get as fast as a stock 13700k

[rotund hamlet]

they are near equivalent parts

ditto for 14700k

[charred pewter]

yup

[dire igloo]

isn't there a whole generational improvement between 12700K and 13700K?

and 14700K has four extra e-cores over 13700k

[charred pewter]

same socket, just more of bios and os support

[dire igloo]

which help in some loads

[dire igloo]

I know they're on the same platform, but iirc for performance 12700K = 13600K

and if you count OC for 12700K, you have to count OC for 13700K

[charred pewter]

i do know the differenfce between 12 and 14 is actually quite a bit (i skipped the 13)

[dire igloo]

plus: AM5 still exists

[charred pewter]

all those e-cores though guh ...

could have done with 8 less of them LOL

[sharp oasis]

Am5 for price rn is near double for a chip that would have improvement over the 5800x

[charred pewter]

oh, and the 14's a hotboxes... while the 13 was not as bad, bout same as 12

[dire igloo]

13 and 14 are identical except for 14700K which has four extra e-cores over 13700K

[sharp oasis]

As 7600/X are basically 5800x/x3D

[charred pewter]

huh ....

[dire igloo]

they have like 0.1-0.3GHz clock improvements but that's nothing

[dire igloo]

*for stuff that isn't cache-reliant

[sharp oasis]

Yeah

[charred pewter]

welp ive got them backwards then... its the jump from 12 to 13/14 ... not 13 to 14

[dire igloo]

and 7600X in gaming beats 5800X

[twin dew]

14th "gen" is just refresh of 13th.

[charred pewter]

14 being basically just a 'branging rights extra cost version of a 13'

[twin dew]

For Desktop.

[sharp oasis]

Yeah

It's about equal to the X3D right

[dire igloo]

you're considering 12900K tho and at that point, go 7800X3D

[twin dew]

Or just 5800X3D for now?

[dire igloo]

yup, except when cache matters

[sharp oasis]

A side grade

That costs me $400

Area

Okay nvm

339

[rotund hamlet]

or just wait for something measurably better

Zen 5 will be this year

[sharp oasis]

That or try to get a bigger gpu and monitor and push that bottleneck off the cpu and more onto the gpu

Damn

5%

[dire igloo]

or do some proper troubleshooting

[sharp oasis]

Gaming pref diff.

[dire igloo]

find out what the issue is, maybe it's using a software encoder for streaming to discord

[sharp oasis]

I assume that's the case

[dire igloo]

fuck bottleneck calculators

never ever use those, they're just fancy guessing machines

[sharp oasis]

Was not using one

I was referring to the cyberpunk gaming pref diff

Between a 12700k and a 5800x

It's basically none

[dire igloo]

what does that mean?

sounds like some UBM type of handwavy bs

[sharp oasis]

The difference per cpu on a benchmark

[twin dew]

5% better FPS in some specific test with "Gaming" preset

[dire igloo]

ah alright

[twin dew]

But no idea about the GPU used etc.

[sharp oasis]

Isint a good jump

So nevermind this entire convo lol

Time to see if I can get 4.8ghz boost on more the just the preferred cores

[soft bloom]

who told microsoft that there's lack of space so that they compacted 3 options on what to takeinto printscreen under additional drop down menu. in what universe someone needed that?!?!?!

[sharp oasis]

@twin dew might do the X3D side grade

It's a 13% pref jump tested on a 4090

[dire igloo]

tested by who

[sand saddle]

@twin dew Uhhh the adapter I found is outputting 16V while having 19V written on it.
Another adapter with less amperage is outputting 18V while having 20V written on it.

Adapter 1: 19V 3.16A out putting 16V
Adapter 2: 20V 2.25A outputting 18V
Got adapter 1 already cut so I could test if it works.

What’s your expert opinion?

Maybe the voltmeter is faulty 🤷‍♂️

Well, multimeter

[sand saddle]

Holy shit it actually was

Found another one and it shows 18.95V aka 19V

Gonna hook adapter 1 up

Fucking 16V my ass

[languid gulch]

well, saturday i successfully replaced a ceiling fan with 0 issues. even got the wiring right on the first try

best part was that assembly was a whopping 2 screws

everything else was clips or slots

basically the updated model of what was there from 15ish years ago. they've managed to eliminate at least 24 screws from assembly

[winged valley]

I guess the 2011 macbook pro uses the igpu during boot (or i got lucky)

Guy said he tried to turn it on but it just had a bunch of colorful lines. Rebooting fixed that but now it doesn't complete the boot process

So hearing this I assumed bad ram and memtest says he has bad ram so 🤷‍♂️

[languid gulch]

only gonna get about 62% coverage here, which is about 30m away, but it's already getting noticably darker

[pure karma]

hasent even started here yet

but the temperature has gone up like 30C in the last like 8 hours ish so idk guess the sun opened a BBQ

[languid gulch]

meanwhile someone in another of my discords thinks that there's an eclipse every month because the moon gets dark

[jagged snow]

I mean that's technically what's happening
The earth eclipses the moon

[languid gulch]

nope

[jagged snow]

... yes?

[cobalt ivy]

the time has come, i can collect moon sugar with the eclipse coming

[languid gulch]

nope

[jagged snow]

Yes

[languid gulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHD4Pk0D8_g

[jagged snow]

New moon occurs when the moon is entirely backlit

So eclips isn't the word I'm looking for

[languid gulch]

but it's not an eclipse

[jagged snow]

Yeah, you're right
I ca't remember what the word I'm looking for is

[pure karma]

its a undercover eclipse

[languid gulch]

In astronomy, the new moon is the first lunar phase, when the Moon and Sun have the same ecliptic longitude.

[cobalt ivy]

the water in my cup wanes and waxes when you move nearest thy cup

[languid gulch]

peak eclipse for us

it's been getting quite a bit darker, & the sky's a deeper blue all the way around

[edgy hazel]

You

[jagged snow]

We had full cloud cover, our peak was 10min ago and I coudln't even tell where the sun was

[languid gulch]

well shit

that sucks

[tough owl]

we had no cloud cover

and I saw it, tried to take a photo, was unsuccessful and went back inside

[pure karma]

ours is at like maybe 20% cover right now

should go up to 98% or something like that

[pure karma]

thats prettymuch what i tried to do and the camera just took a pic of its own lens lol

[languid gulch]

the filter helps

an actual solar filter, not a camera one

[charred pewter]

totality was pretty cool to see

there was a solar flare going on too... had a hot little red dot going on

[pure karma]

camera is a smoking pile of 💩 but yea

[charred pewter]

lol, thats like my iphone took 😉

i tried with and without a filter... it just sucked 😉

got two planets in the shot though ...

[sand saddle]

Well I think it's working, will have to mess with it tomorrow

[stray badger]

If u got a lens flare, the lens flare would have the moon in it

[pure karma]

stoopid windows self destructing itself

[tough owl]

https://tenor.com/view/linux-gnu-kernel-kernellinux-linuxkernel-gif-25835995

[wanton orchid]

when earth eclipse moon, its making a blood moon

its full moon, but with back radiations from earth crown

moon eclipsing sun is only at new moon
earth eclipsing sun to moon is only at full moon

[dire igloo]

same effect that makes sunsets and sunrises red

atmosphere refracts light, blue weaker than red. So if the sun is shining into atmosphere from the side, red light is refracted towards the surface - and thereby to the moon which is in earth's shadow

[pure karma]

i have seen it in person before my dumbass tought it was mars at first lol

[wanton orchid]

are you sure its not just because it is low on horizon ?

like the sun get

[pure karma]

might have been idk but it was cool

[wanton orchid]

it gets much more clear when its going to night

because then you can see a really dark moon

[quasi citrus]

the last time i saw one, was also when i was on a boat

[visual tree]

Blood moon = zombie horde

[jagged snow]

Wors naming I've ever created 😭

[tough owl]

col

[charred willow]

full eclipse in dallas, hand-held consumer crap, didnt have my 100-400 so i had a rebel and a 70-300

tripod broke a couple ago and forgot to try to fix it

[pure karma]

still did much better than all of us lol

[tough owl]

rare phi guy sighting

[rotund hamlet]

this was all I got of the eclipse at totality because it was cloudy

on the other hand, I was mostly here for the trains

[jagged snow]

they reworked the android studio ui and I don't know how to handle it

[tough owl]

you dont

[jagged snow]

I don't understand the target user for this display

[stray badger]

office worker

on a budget (still seems like a low res)

[jagged snow]

Yeah but why curved then?

That makes document editing a pain

[stray badger]

its a 32 inch, i guess immersion?

[jagged snow]

And 1080 is really bad at 32in

[stray badger]

idk, maybe just a regular user?

it says display for sale, so i would imagine that it is the last of some old stock

it may be from before 1440p got cheaper

[twin dew]

Might have just been because they were unloaded, so the idle voltage was lower.
And I would have used the higher amperate one, as the router doesn't have a battery and would have just been downregulating inside it to much lower voltage anyways.

[sand saddle]

No, multimeter fault as the other one was showing the correct number perfectly fine

And it’s not like the other multimeter put a load on it

[twin dew]

I mean that the PSU outputted lower voltage while unloaded.

And would have ramped up once loaded.

So not measurement fault, but just PSU behavior.

Switched mode PSUs are hard to get to output stable voltage when unloaded/lightly loaded compared to intended power.
And very easily either output too low average voltage with very fast spikes to intended voltage.
Or in case of bad ones, output too high average voltage while unloaded.

[steel peak]

Anyone can recommend video downloader add-on for Firefox

[edgy hazel]

Youtube-dl works pretty well. Iirc there are extensions which allow it to be integrated in the browser itself, but I never had the need for that so I don't have any experience with that.

[languid gulch]

found someone in another game asking for tech support stuff while using one of the lowest-level systems i've seen in years that's still somehow running

amd A4-7300, 4gb ram, win7 desktop

[edgy hazel]

God

[languid gulch]

2 cores, no hyperthreading

[edgy hazel]

My phone has more RAM

[languid gulch]

& iGPU

i had to, just for shits & giggles

[edgy hazel]

Jesus what game?? Dwarven Fortress?

[languid gulch]

idk of any game that'd run on that

hell, win7 barely runs on that

that was low end at the time

1mb L2 cache

like i said, idk how it's still running

[edgy hazel]

Bro should be running raspian instead of windows on that thing

[languid gulch]

or just chuck it

10 years on a bottom end product is plenty

[edgy hazel]

Or make a small home server out of that

[languid gulch]

i wouldn't even do that

2 threads, PCIe gen2 only

[edgy hazel]

Should be enough to host a shopping list with web UI or some shit

[languid gulch]

lol

so something your phone could handle in the background

[edgy hazel]

Yeah some low level tool or something. Maybe even a small NAS

Unencrypted ofc

[languid gulch]

i couldn't even recommend anything to save it. 0 point in trying to hunt down 16gb ddr3 ram on a system with only 2 threads

[dire igloo]

You might find a better PC when checking for free stuff on Craigslist

[languid gulch]

basically

ouchie. my last laptop was a A10-9700, & its crap-tier graphics were twice as powerful

it really is kind of astounding how quickly AMD got its shit together for ryzen

[twin dew]

Bulldozer was attempt at cost cutting by using automatic layout (worse than human layout, but cheaper) while trying to go for high clocks (the previous fucked this up).
And that try for more integer performance with two integer units per FP unit.
And marketing such unit as "two cores".

MBA moment of cost cutting.

Which ended up costing AMD a fuckton

[languid gulch]

that was the lawsuit, right

[twin dew]

And Piledriver and Steamroller were just trying to fix the same basic arch, while Zen was being worked on.

And Excavator

But try to cut design costs ended up causing AMD to be non-competive for 5+ years.

[languid gulch]

shocker

[twin dew]

And hurt the Radeon side badly too.

But at least that got the MBAs out and engineers back in charge.

[wanton orchid]

when your company is not just about misleading greedy investors moment lmao

[twin dew]

There was very real need to cut costs in a way, as AMDs financial were in pretty dire situation anyways, even with K7 (Athlon), K8 (Athlon 64) and K10 (Phenom) behind them, because of Intels fuckery with "If you sell AMD, we will make Intel CPUs much more expensive for you".
But the new arch design and layout wasn't the right place.

But remember that the design happened at same time as AMD had to sell of their foundries etc.

[twin dew]

D-Link:
We put hardcoded backdoor into the firmware, and it was found out.
But we will not patch it out as the devices affected are out of support.
https://arstechnica.com/security/2024/04/hackers-actively-exploit-critical-remote-takeover-vulnerabilities-in-d-link-devices/

And at least for one of the NASes, the supported period was only 3 years from being brought to market to end of support?

Or 3 years from announcement of phaseout to end of support?

Latter

[soft bloom]

buuuuut, if that color was from earth's crown, that there would always be a red stripe on any image of the moon with partial eclipse (aka crescent). but its not there. because color is purely something we see on the ground, due to atmosphere filtering other colors. like with the sun when its close to horizon.
throw rocks if i'm incorrect

[mental oriole]

Hardcoded backdoor just screams avoid this brand at all costs.

[soft bloom]

who remembers KeyBase?

[twin dew]

Ok, read the comments, seems it is "internal" daemon account that wasn't disabled properly for other uses.

Well, it has empty password which is the classic way to disable in Unix, but their own code didn't follow that.

[grim panther]

True. But people still buy Cisco too 😄

[wanton orchid]

you mean like this ?

[wanton orchid]

actual crescent have nothing to do with eclipse

and its common to see white clear moon in sky at night, it's not a coloring problem

[twin dew]

The normal moon shape is just about where it is compared to sun and earth.
When it is crescent, it is almost between earth and sun, so most of it is non-lit.
Edit: Me speaking shit?

[wanton orchid]

people confusing tp-link with d-link moment

(I´ve banned d-link from my providers)

[wanton orchid]

ngl it must be very sensationnal to see the earth rotate on itself over the static phases like the moon have
pov from the moon

you could perpetually observe the dawn

[wanton orchid]

I mean, if you think of "almost between" as in the 60° radius looking at sun, then you are right

[dire igloo]

All three are apocalypse, those distances aren't safe

[soft bloom]

oh, wait

am i stupid?

crescent is from when relative position of Earth to moon's sunny side

buuut. another thing why i didn't buy the "bloodmoon is from earth's something being red and casting it on the moon" was because of relative sizes. moon only casts a tiny shadow on the Earth, at best. and if we place it behind Earth than it shouldn't be that big as well. right?...

[twin dew]

Yes, full moon when it is opposite from sun.
But most of the months it passes above or below earth, so earth doesn't obstruct sunlight.

[soft bloom]

that looks more like something done by Earth being in front of the moon

[soft bloom]

but this looks more like something you see when moon is close to horizon

maybe, its all possible. idk

[soft bloom]

does this imply that moon is illuminated purely by scattered light?

[twin dew]

For perfect bloodmoon, yes.
For normal fullmoon, no.

And there are cases where it partly passes above or below too, so part direct, part through earths atmosphere.

[soft bloom]

there's another thing that kept me at night: why is it that when you look at sky, moon's crescent seems to NEVER point into the sun?

[soft bloom]

how are we even alive?..

[dire igloo]

Yes. It's the moon's shadow, not earth's shadow

[soft bloom]

moon's shadow cast on itself

spheres are weird object. why can't everything be in triangles?

[dire igloo]

Moon is much smaller than earth.
Imagine a basketball and a ping pong ball. One can shade the other easily, but the other way around you only get a small spot

[dire igloo]

Because there are three objects arranged in three-dimensional space and you're looking at two of them from the third - tho it should always point in the vague direction

[soft bloom]

my young brain that used to aproximate distant objects to a point source casting parallel rays is breaking from this image

[twin dew]

Not to scale.

[dire igloo]

Basically in this graphic, you'll see the sun if you turn right

[dire igloo]

Welcome to school simplifications

[soft bloom]

yet i just realised that ushc aproximation would provide wrong answers

[dire igloo]

On Earth's surface, sunlight can be assumed to be parallel

[soft bloom]

hah, it was in university as well

damn, optics must have been my favourite course

[dire igloo]

But on the size of planets and stars, this simplification just does not hold any more

[soft bloom]

that would imply perfetly sharp shadows, which isn't the case

[dire igloo]

Education in principle is easy:
Teach the most basic form, then abstract further

[dire igloo]

There's also atmospheric diffraction and a whole other fuckton of shit going on - you'll need to check it the assumption is good enough for the sake of the experiment

[soft bloom]

my school physics teacher was a fan of reminding that simplification is no more than aproximation for specific cases.
he even thought us integrals before we got remotely close to it on math lessons

...so this brings us to topic of why we dont see stars on lunar landing photos

joking

[dire igloo]

Yeah, we had differential equations in physics before we had them in maths - we just needed it for the topic, so he taught it.

Luckily the teachers knew each other well and we had the same people in both courses. So when we would've done DE in maths, we just did some cool shit and used the extra time for more practice

tbf, my class (idk how you refer to the entirety of people that graduated with you) was very sciency and we were on a school with a STEM focus.
Very very helpful, enjoyed it a lot

[soft bloom]

ok, one thing i didn't like about optics course was that weird lamp that shocked me arm-to-arm. not cool

[soft bloom]

my class was supposed to be science, but half of it wasn't into it. idk what their parents were thinking...

[soft bloom]

huh, pretty much the same. if only more people understood it from the first time... so since, bigger half didn't grasp it from physics lessons, math guy had to reintroduce it 🙂

[dire igloo]

Had a maths teacher once that said she doesn't want to hold a lesson for unmotivated students.
She said if we bring her a signed note from our parents that we didn't attend class because we didn't want to, she'd excuse us.

Next lesson was the last lesson of a Friday - attendance was like 50%, we ditched the topic we were on and just did some cool shit.

Basically trigonometry: how the Greeks managed to dig a tunnel through a mountain and be off by just a small bit

[soft bloom]

still don't understand what are quadratic equations are for. whole math course seemed to make a great deal out of it. it was the hardest task on the exam. and... can't remember single case where i used it. on the other hand, intergrals rock

[twin dew]

For angles etc. where you don't have to account for going past 360 degrees, or "poles" etc.

With classic angles, you get points where the math "fails" and locks.

[soft bloom]

huh. what helped us was separation of groups into like 12 ppl each and double classes - essentially the way they are in university. it started in 9th or 10th grade, i don't remember. it was much better that way

[dire igloo]

A lot of real life physics are quadratic.
Example: gravity, light intensity (inverse square law)

[twin dew]

I understood is to mean the location & direction quadratics.
Like Unreal Engine uses for all stuff etc.

And that are used in navigation system etc.

[dire igloo]

We didn't have that at the time.
For the year after we got to pick two subjects to focus more deeply on (I chose maths and physics)

[soft bloom]

i felt like stereometry was just my thing. understanding it without theorems, nailing most of the problems just by looking at them... but that shit helped only like a little later on math course about flux and all that EM stuff

i wish we were told that crazy thing about logarithms and how they were used to calculate e v e r y t h i n g fore centuries

i'm not fan of history the way it focuses on battles and crazy guys with inflated ego.
if it was focused instead on the things that run the world and moved it forward...

[tribal kraken]

But battles and wars just makes that, advances in tech

[soft bloom]

definitely not their specific dates

i have to admit, it was fun to read how my nation's greatest poet was literally bought by massons

[soft bloom]

i mean, i wouldn't mind the whole ww2 chapter to focus on advances in technology, medicine, science and changes in economy

[dire igloo]

As a German, imo the biggest task of teaching history is to tell people from the future about mistakes from the past so they are not repeated

[edgy hazel]

We're in a time loop at this point

[dire igloo]

If you don't learn from your mistakes, you will repeat them

Which is imo the most important part of a history teacher's job

[soft bloom]

That's a big part of it.
But i also find fascinating examples from how math and physics developed in the past. i'm talking of things like cryptography, quantum physics etc

but as of rn history is jsut a way of establishing national identity through hate

[dire igloo]

We're taught anthropology history, you want science history

[quasi citrus]

usually stuff like cryptography is covered in their respective class and there is always a snippet with historical information that you can dive right into if you feel like it. it even usually asks you to do so.

but who does what they are told? homework? what is that? 😄

[tough owl]

kill -9 PID

[edgy hazel]

taskmanage is the only thing I miss about windows

[tough owl]

flatpak install missioncenter

[edgy hazel]

I like this

[tough owl]

or https://github.com/nokyan/resources

https://github.com/SlyFabi/WSysMon

[edgy hazel]

her I am using top like some sort of plebian

[tough owl]

and if you want a tui b-top

[mental oriole]

Sexy...

[edgy hazel]

those look good. I think I'll give missioncenter a try. b-top looks super sexy but way too tryhard

[pure karma]

i probably would switch to linux if everyone that used it dident make it look like absolute hell to use 😐

and dosent it cause like a lot of compatibility issues

[tough owl]

Get in the mindset that it’s not windows and it will never be windows and things are different for a reason and that you’ll have to put in time to learn a new os and its quirks like you did with windows

[tough owl]

~~ I have a second monitor on the way dedicated to b-top and other monitoring applications~~

[willow pike]

steamos will probably help you here, when that's generally available

[willow pike]

neat

[rustic panther]

Why not use a buntu?

[tough owl]

snaps🤢

[rustic panther]

True, forgot that those exist lmao

But still, why not use a simple, pre-set up distro if you want to linux but not too much

[dire igloo]

UwUntu

[tough owl]

I use fedora kionite

No more arch

[hardy compass]

@inland scroll when win10 support ends, I'm keeping it. If it becomes unusable or a security risk, I'm removing windows completely (or maybe by that time microsoft will release win12 which by rule of "odd-released versions are good" will be my next OS

[inland scroll]

many of my relatives' computers are below win11 specs, so they'll be getting Kubuntu or something

I rely on un-wineable software, so the best thing I could do is dual boot

[hardy compass]

I already have a dualboot for last 15ish years 🤷‍♂️ and having win is just a "it's easier than to mess with wine/proton/etc. for games and stuff"

but recently the support for win stuff on linux has improved a lot, so I think there shouldn't be many things that don't work under wine/others

[inland scroll]

that's definitely true for games, but for ""industry"" software, not much has changed

[hardy compass]

wine doesn't care much what software it is

I've been able to run all sorts of weird stuff on linux

I'm not saying there aren't exceptions, but the list is getting thinner and thinner

[wanton orchid]

it's actually easier to run things like old format converter software
than to run games

have very much less quirks and complex api accesses

[hardy compass]

I've managed to run old win95 apps on wine flawlessly

[wanton orchid]

and for these apps you can also use vm

[inland scroll]

well, I'd expect old Win NT apps to run better than modern ones with specific HW requirements if anything

[hardy compass]

(well, apart from the apps forcing me into 640x480 )

[inland scroll]

I should've mentioned I have severely outdated Fedora on my laptop (I use it regularly). One way to avoid a major security vulnerability is to simply never update the system with the vulnerable packages

maybe I should do something about that sooner than later...

[wanton orchid]

you mean that you keep all the obviously vulnerable packages ?
because you are not having the latest newly discovered vulnerable one ?

[hardy compass]

I have ubuntu 20.04 because I'm too lazy to upgrade and mess with GPU drivers 😄
I'll install new version separately soon-ish and have both working for some time to move stuff between them

[wanton orchid]

^ the only down side I see is hardware compatibility

[hardy compass]

most hackers target recently-found vulnerabilities, because that's most chance of yet-unpatched system

people won't target 15 years old (and patched) vulnerability unless they know the system is on so old hardware

I've recently changed GPUs and it messed with my Ubuntu installation, I have to use older version of kernel to make it recognise my 3 screens, so I don't want to poke into it more than I need to 🤷‍♂️ but it's mostly just my laziness

[wanton orchid]

yes and no
recently discovered vulnerability are often harder to test and exploit than older ones
there are a shit tone of bots freely testing for a load of old vulnerability
because it's well known a lot of people are lazy updaters

and it does not cost much to try

[hardy compass]

well yeah, but your personal PC is probably safe from all of it unless you portforwarded all ports to it 😄

[wanton orchid]

like old http hanging session
you test : you expect error session closed, invalid access
but if you somehow receive 'ok' then you go in

[hardy compass]

and my server was actually hit by a vulnerability attack against a framework I use. Most of these attacks were in 3-6 months after the vulnerability, then it calmed down and now I almost don't see it

[wanton orchid]

I still regularly see probes on my servers
with host:127.0.0.1 http requests and stuff like that

it's mostly automated

same with games

especially old games

it's like old wood
it always worked
nobody broke it
but it's getting old
if one just wants to
then it will go down instantly

[hardy compass]

yeah I see tons of wp_login.php attempts as well as other things, that'll never die 😄

(and I would never use wordpress anyway 😄 )

[wanton orchid]

btw I don't see them much since I improved my firewall settings
there are probably a shit ton that use invalid frames too
so they never get chance to be even logged

[hardy compass]

my approach to security is "if someone REALLY wants to get into my server, most likely nothing I can do will prevent that"
so I just fix whatever I can (I don't write bad code intentionally) and monitor the server once in a while

[wanton orchid]

it depends what "security" you want
then isolation comes into play
but there are lot of stuff that can dumbly be updated
so why not

[hardy compass]

yeah, basic updates are fine

and honestly, there's not many important things on the server, so even if someone got into it and I had to reinstall it, I'll just be a bit sad for the lost data from databases and set up the thing again

[wanton orchid]

that's why I'm all for rolling release
but I'm planning to work on a actually consistent dependency checking tool
so you can still safely update and keep "stable" versions if needed
without everything falling appart because you somehow were not using the same lib version as the maintainer was

[hardy compass]

eh, most of my things that could have security issues is php libraries and those I do monitor 🤷‍♂️

[wanton orchid]

pacman may be simple
but simple does not always means reliable
it still blows my mind how easy is it to break things with it

I hate php
from both efficiency, security and consistency standpoints : it's a nightmare

it's like these banks claiming they have a very secure website

website can't be more secure than a website can be man

php is a tool of the past

[hardy compass]

consistency - yeah, but you learn to live with it and then you just ignore it
security - use secure frameworks 🙂
efficiency - works for the usecases it is used for, and latest versions are super fast as well as moving the language to much more type-safe thing

tools of the past don't power 75% of the internet 🤷‍♂️

[wanton orchid]

it's super fast at the shit it is doing
just because most web framework are as stupidly inefficient and wrongly designed
does not make it efficient
it's doing its job very well
but its job in the first place is flawed
it's a paradigm of the proximity in dev and user
it's like wiring your house without plastic around copper cores
it's intuitive for simple things
it works
but it's not fitting it's today "role"
it's calling for flaws
and so the security is going along
basically still guarding against a never ending list of corner cases, that where not intended for that kind of environment in the first place, and implementing never ending load of workarounds for it
which for some likely endup re-opening the same kind of vulnerability, because it is inherent in how it is trying to process things

[hardy compass]

eh, I use a secure and well designed framework 🤷‍♂️

still way better than node.js and its ecosystem

[wanton orchid]

node.js have same kind of problems
but not the same problems
but it still make me want to yell at the world

[hardy compass]

php doesn't have the problems if you know what you're doing

and I'd say that after 15 years of doing PHP, I know a lot of what I'm doing

[wanton orchid]

it's frontend request processing backend code
it's already bad
anyway, http using text for low level commands is already making me want to puke

[hardy compass]

how do you design a website without frontend request processing backend code?

[wanton orchid]

loading a php file at every fresh request
is already insanely inefficient

[hardy compass]

oh you mean parsing

there's a cache 😉

[wanton orchid]

by having a server that is not dumbly file based
it simply process the request
instead of processing code
the code is already independently loaded
data is only retrieved in context of the request
not in context of whatever the backend code need to run

[hardy compass]

yeah I thought you meant "processing" as in running code, not parsing 🙂

[wanton orchid]

yea not running code
the code running is the server
only actually preparing the data

So no 'if stuff transfer text based thing to other extension processing stuff'
but 'base data already fetched, specific call to that other stuff if needed depending on (and not parsed from) that request status' with backend full control

backend state =/= frontend state

[hardy compass]

honestly this seems like a very minor issue

if you know what you're doing

[wanton orchid]

absolutely everything is done with this paradigm
even caching is wasting an insane amount of time noticing what can be cached
when it should simply be obvious in application current state naturally
and that every time a page have to load
it's absolutely error prone when it comes to assets access too
there is almost no difference made between user provided data and backend functional data
and even if a lot of people have wrongly learn that "this is fast"
it's as "fast" as mariadb taking 0.3ms to process a "reverse()" sql part

which not a lot people know, but I do, is only effectively needing 10ns to be processed on current gen cpus

[hardy compass]

don't need speed under 10ms if the request still takes 0.5s to load

[wanton orchid]

oh yea
only one backend for one client request

except there are one backend for hundred thousands client requests

[hardy compass]

you think I'm not aware?

(and also that's where replication and load balancing comes into play, which you have to do no matter if you're using php or not)

most of my websites regularly have execution time around 5-10ms

which is WAY less than I'd need to handle current (or quarduple) load

[soft bloom]

isn't it way more usefull?

[soft bloom]

are you saying that this is a port of windows 10 task manager on linux?

[soft bloom]

there's also htop. simple

[soft bloom]

i really like how the only app i ever trusted to snap was VLC player and it was useless because it doesn't have permissions to read outside of its own tiny little bubble which is very secure but also like who would ever use it. fuse seems better

[dire igloo]

not really. If history is taught right, science history is part of it - the Manhattan project brought both scientific and anthropological advancements, same for Fritz Haber.
but if I had to choose, I would pick anthropology history over science history any day: you have science classes to learn about science, but nowhere else do you learn about why we are who/where/how we are

[soft bloom]

what does year of bringing christianity to Kyiv has to do with anthropoly?

[dire igloo]

I have literally never heard of that, maybe it's smth local?

[soft bloom]

welcome.
its the source of orthodox on like whole eastern europe which also was part of political shit and introduced writing to that part of the world, from byzantine.
and, is part of modern dispute between churches

[dire igloo]

sounds like it is absolutely crucial to understanding the history of eastern European civilization

and knowing the history of civilization lets you understand the present

[soft bloom]

to be clear:
it's important event, some would say its part of science as it also set stone into the calendar most of the world uses
but, why should anyone care about the year? cause that's all you will be asked about in the test

[dire igloo]

that's just bad teaching

[wanton orchid]

because it's easy to test

[dire igloo]

being required to just reproduce knowledge doesn't teach you shit

[wanton orchid]

did you just start questioning schools ?
because that kind of problems is everywhere

[dire igloo]

bulimia learning. You eat up all that knowledge, vomit it onto the test sheet and nothing stays

[dire igloo]

yup, lazy teaching

I need to know what the french revolution was, what exact year or month it happened in doesn't matter

[soft bloom]

what do you need year for?
it puts it on a time scale, yes, but how often do you need use that to put what was before and after?
isn't it easier to only use years when you are actively looking for re-connecting cause-effect arrows?

[dire igloo]

what usually happens is that you will be questioned about most important information about a topic:
what happened, when it happened, who was responsible, impact on modern society

first part is obvious, second part should be more of a rough idea than a specific date ("200-250 years ago, late 1700s"), persons involved let you crosslink different events in history, last part is the most important

[dire igloo]

it lets you cross-reference with other events.
Bringing Christianity to Kyiv, Napoleon attacking Russia, invention of the printing press, Martin Luther's 95 theses, French revolution, founding of the Prussian empire, etc

[soft bloom]

not just.
i just think that testing is not the problem, but a problem.
aside from the way scores work, in case of history, i think its focus is wrong.
you cant deny that it does focus a lot on individuals, victories and losses, but much less so on how world changes, and even what mistakes were made in the past

[dire igloo]

hyperfixating on the specific year is bad teaching. But having a rough idea of how historical events interlink is crucial to understand history

[wanton orchid]

even if you know order
you don't know link

[soft bloom]

i think that "who was responsible" should be replaced with "what was responsible" in many cases.

[dire igloo]

history is written by the victors - you rarely ever hear the loser's side and almost always miss out on what went wrong

[wanton orchid]

they think date explains things because they don't actually understand it
they just remember the dates and think that's enough to imagine past so that's what they put in tests

[dire igloo]

kinda, yeah. I'd make it a separate point tho:
what lead to the events, who were the important persons?

[wanton orchid]

republican people will tell you that someone led all the problem
but not why they pushed this person to direction power

[soft bloom]

today is modern day, and historians surely know about that, as do teachers. yet...
btw, such cases should be seen as biased reports, and not be thought as something representative of actual events

[tough owl]

Htop doesn’t show gpu

[dire igloo]

example

[dire igloo]

there still is the aspect of lazy teaching - a lot of this realization came very recently and a lot of "old teachers" still stick to the old knowledge

[soft bloom]

my latest teacher of history was aware of that, and so she focused on causes.
and i hardly remember any dates...
but government tests - they want dates. (at least i hope that i correclty remember that there was a test for that about 10 years ago... there should have been one, cause once again - history is a subject that establishes national identity)

[dire igloo]

we see it in science too that children are taught not just inaccurate but actually disproven knowledge

[dire igloo]

sounds like a great teacher

[soft bloom]

i hate the definition of planet so bad...

[dire igloo]

my history teacher in 9th grade allowed me to bring in my great uncle - he was a time witness of the Nazi era, was an absolutely awesome lesson. Still remember it to this day

[dire igloo]

wait until you hear about the definition of sex/gender, it's about as inaccurate as the definition of planet (if not more)

[wanton orchid]

btw is the sun a giant fireball "yes the sun is giant fireball"
instead of correcting to "giant energy ball"
"oh you're such a asshole to correct this innocent kid" when actually the kids prefer that
but the prick adults get their ego off because they didn't know themselves
confusing innocence with naivety along the way too

[soft bloom]

we didn't have visitors much, but every whole class had to dedicate time to Chornobyl incident.
that's about not forgetting mistakes...
yet, i can hardly remember what exactly went wrong - all i remember is blame on government

[soft bloom]

i was in shock when i went to government school to present them to my university (students get points to improve chances of getting ... money for good scores) and saw how teacher treat children there. even grown ups.

it takes a lot to find good teachers that understand what they are teaching and respect students

[dire igloo]

Some story I heard (which might be inaccurate and is definitely exaggerated by me for comedic purposes):
"oh hey, do any of y'all know what happens if the cooling elements fail?"
"well, it goes hot"
"okay, but how long do we have to response? how does the reactor behave?"
"you wanna try that?"
"yeah"
"okay then"
"oh fuck. OH FUCK. FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK"

[dire igloo]

it takes a lot to find teachers that know what their job is

it's to spark curiosity in children - that's one of the hardest things to stop, once you got them hooked the learning happens by itself

[winged valley]

Isn't there a conspiracy that american public schooling is designed for k-12 to dissuade creativity and critical thinking, while encouraging conformity and work ethic

And that this was apparently largely influenced by manufacturing companies before unions became a big thing

I'm not sure if I particularly believe it, but I do find it funny how my high school (which was a public school) absolutely forbade using any source that wasn't either in the scholastic library or another one I forgot the name of for research in assignments

Only time you could use a non-approved source was when the assignment was about exploring how to determine a source's trustworthyness (which is even funnier because by the rules of the assignment, all mainstream news outlets were automatically assumed to be accurate and trustworthy)

[quasi citrus]

our school system here in DE is just a little bit different in it's approach

we all think it sucks, but it actually compares well to other school systems^^

[steel peak]

anyone use addon on firefox to capture videos

also whats good software to convert file types

[edgy hazel]

1. no
2. handbrake

[steel peak]

ty

[soft bloom]

just use OBS?

[steel peak]

oh i mean like download a video

[soft bloom]

that will always be the rethoric of mainstream anti-disinformation campaings

[winged valley]

what

simplify that more

[soft bloom]

all mainstream news outlets were automatically assumed to be accurate and trustworthy

[steel peak]

https://tenor.com/bc1zs.gif

[winged valley]

ah

gotcha

[soft bloom]

at what point conspiracy theory is checked to be accepted or denied? i wonder

[tough owl]

www.shutterencoder.com/en/

[soft bloom]

by the point of view of any government, instituion, or large company, critical thinking is equal to trusting what they say

[soft bloom]

i also heard a view that it was designed to produce 2 kinds of people: sheep and shepherd.
it totally kills curiosity in children, and forces them to sit still like robots (despite natural playfullness and gormones...), trust authorities and be learn that they will always be judged "objectively" regardless oftheir personal traits

i left university when covid came because it removed one last thing that was bringing fun into the learning - experiments. even though some tried to make them online, it never felt the same.

*as student

[dire igloo]

it improved a lot with Covid

[quasi citrus]

the students did not 😄

[tough owl]

what the government doing 👀

[still sphinx]

I heard something about that

That is so weird tho

[stray badger]

it looks like it is archives of web sites that are doing those weird scams, probably ones that they are trying to take down and have archives of for legal reasons

[winged valley]

this is literally just MS Access with an E and green

[twin dew]

When currently many of those just copy and publish Russian or HAMAS etc. propaganda verbatim?

Almost all news sources have gone to "well fix it in post, must publish something right now to be first", and many don't bother to do the fixing at all.
Including the traditionally most trusted ones.

Like the still active syndication deal Reuters has with some Russian government controlled "news" outlets like Russia Today, so those can just push articles that are published as is by Reuters.

[twin dew]

But in many countries the teaching in school never got past the old "By Rote" method.
Or has been returned to that from trying to make the students actually understand.

[wary olive]

The fact a 4070 can be considered midrange and have a price of 500$ fucking sucks

[languid gulch]

just a lot

[dire igloo]

imo midrange starts at A770/6700xt which is around $300

It's just that high end isn't as much of a performance class as it is a comparative phrase - and with how expensive the best gpus are, that's just reality

4080/4080S/7900XTX/4090 definitely counts as high end, idk if I'd count 7900xt/4070 Ti/4070 Ti Super as high end too

[languid gulch]

there's iGPU, low end (dead since 30 series on Nvidia side, still around on AMD), midrange, high end, & "who cares about budgets"

[dire igloo]

iGPU and nvidia 30 series are the same tier imo.
Low end would include anything up to a 6600xt/A580/3060 with A750/6650xt/6700/4060 marking the cutoff point to midrange

[languid gulch]

did the 1060 count as a low end?

[dire igloo]

3GB yes. 6GB was the entry point to midrange. Right on the edge

[twin dew]

Probably just clocked too close to the sun, and unstable bursty loads cause voltage "starvation", that causes computation corruption, which causes crashes.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/04/intel-is-investigating-game-crashes-on-top-end-core-i9-desktop-cpus/

And limiting the max power, you limit the voltage and power swings that cause the actual problem, when there isn't enough headroom left in the turbo table.

And that gets worse as the CPUs age...
So we will have LOT of unstable 13th and 14th gen CPUs in next few years...

[dire igloo]

That would basically disqualify them from being recommended as upgrades from the used market, right?

[twin dew]

If there is significant fraction that are already unstable...

[twin dew]

Don't remember if this was ever linked here, previous mention of the "same" issue:
www.radgametools.com/oodleintel.htm

Where the help is to first lower power usage, then set positive offset VCore if just power limit didn't help.

[languid gulch]

have they said what percentage of them like to melt?

[twin dew]

Melt? Just unstable in some loads, at MB "stock".

[languid gulch]

was using it loosely 😛

[soft bloom]

how can it be that my home is 10GB shorter than Disks app reports?

i mean, i probably know were is the problem - i extended LV for that amount some time ago, i made resize (i rechecked that it doesn't change anything now) and... something went wrong

[tough owl]

https://github.com/YuriiCrimson/ExploitGSM

new linux zero day

[wanton orchid]

you tried online resize or offline resize ?

[soft bloom]

online

[mental oriole]

Cve?

[wanton orchid]

then try offline resize maybe

[tough owl]

Don’t think it’s been assigned one yet

[jagged snow]

https://twitter.com/tomshardware/status/1777790992826950076?s=19

Tom's Hardware (@tomshardware) on X

Mutant ASUS Frankenboard surfaces with SO-DIMM memory slots — rare Maximus XIII Hero includes Kingston Fury logo https://t.co/w6P3kjZPWp

Twitter · Apr 9, 2024, 8:09 PM

[mental oriole]

I see.

[tough owl]

How cursed is cursed

[soft bloom]

speaking of ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKiBlGDfRU8

[willow pike]

defaults on p much every motherboard ignore intel specifications for power limits, purely so their motherboards look faster than competitors; this creates instability

[twin dew]

No, that only allows the CPU to go higher in the table.
The table is by Intel.

[willow pike]

lmao

[twin dew]

The CPUs have individual Temperature-Frequency-Voltage table.

For each core.

[willow pike]

so they make the v/f table go above their wattage spec and are shocked when it fails

amazing

[twin dew]

There is no wattage in the table.

That just affect the temperature of the core(s).

[willow pike]

yeah I'm only using the word wattage as shorthand

[twin dew]

The effect of wattage comes in the up and downswings, when the amperage changes, which affects the voltage momentarely as VRM regulation has latency.

Which is why with higher max wattage, it is easier to get undervoltage.

If the load is bursty.

[willow pike]

all seems like the blind leading the blind

shader compilation seems to be what knocks them over the most, going from mostly idle to 100% all core load

(amd is not free of motherboard shenanigans either)

[jagged snow]

Shader compilation also uses some less-common instructions, which may be a contributing factor

[tough owl]

Doesn’t the gpu sometimes handle shader comp

[jagged snow]

And that's by no means the only area where people report issues

[tough owl]

https://steamcommunity.com/games/221410/announcements/detail/1602634609636894200

[jagged snow]

Typically not

[jagged snow]

That's just talking about amd specific shader compilation, not doing any compilation on-gpu as far as I can tell

[twin dew]

Shader compilation is about turning higher level language into specific HW instruction set.
And GPUs are horrible in that kind of thing, as it is serial, not parallel.

There is reason why we don't use GPUs for other code compilations either.

[tough owl]

Can’t we make code compilations multi threaded?

[twin dew]

We are, but just by making each core compile different source file.

And GPUs are very slow with code forks etc.

[tough owl]

or just assign each core different module to compile?

dang also looks like I didn’t get a beta satisfactory key

[twin dew]

Possibly just first wave.

Ah, announcement.

[tough owl]

Yea

[jagged snow]

Most methods of making compilation faster end up sacrificing effeciency of the compiled software

[tough owl]

Shouldve let me test it on Linux 😔

[flat steppe]

who here knows about pc building and can give me advice for a build im thinking of making

[twin dew]

And then multiple people who couldn't keep the information about them getting into the Beta for even few hours...

[jagged snow]

Everyone here currently

[willow pike]

i mean

[flat steppe]

lemme type out the specs im thinking of getting and i just wanna know is it overkill

for sthe stuff ima use it for is mostly 3d modeling

[tough owl]

Blender?

[willow pike]

then you'll want a big dick geforce

[edgy hazel]

Minecraft

[tough owl]

My favorite 3d modeling software

[flat steppe]

mhmm

CPU: AMD Threadripper 3990X 2.9 GHz 64-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: MSI MPG CORELIQUID D360 77.4 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard: Gigabyte TRX40 AORUS XTREME XL ATX sTRX4 Motherboard
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z RGB 256 GB (8 x 32 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory
Storage: Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus 8 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive
Video Card: Gigabyte AERO OC GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card

[tough owl]

you could go intel arc and intels oneapi

[willow pike]

4090 is a yes

threadripper is a maybe

[edgy hazel]

"Is this overkill"

4090

[jagged snow]

Yeah...

[willow pike]

it is not overkill for blender, you really do need that 24GB

[edgy hazel]

Those 4GB really do a lot then

[tough owl]

I also can’t tell if you’re trolling with one of the most balls to the walls pc

[flat steppe]

honestly im tempted on getting 2 for faster render speeds

[jagged snow]

Yeah, 7900x would maybe better

[jagged snow]

It is entirely overkill if you're not making money off of it

[flat steppe]

im a sussy rich furry i want a pc that will last a while

[jagged snow]

The only reason to ever spend that much on a PC is if you'll actually get a good rio in terms of productivity

[willow pike]

that is indeed the question

[tough owl]

How do furries get so rich 😭