off-topic-tech

[dire igloo]

I like to refer to this spreadsheet for SSD info:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27_j9NDPU3cNlj2HKcrfpJKHkOf-Oi1DbuuQva2gT4/htmlview#gid=0

[twin dew]

And that also only shows the numbers for very high queue random IOPS.

[night girder]

P3 -> 4,702 Seq MB/s (according to my link)

[twin dew]

Which again is usually pretty meaningless.

[dire igloo]

except it's cheap QLC

which is why sequential speeds are pretty much meaningless

[winged valley]

My pc's boot drive is a 2tb wd blue SN580 and uses an extra 1tb hynix gold p31

Not the best drives by a long shot but it works very well regardless

[night girder]

Yeah, but blows a micro SSD out of the water. Someone made the argument that I was using mid/high end SSD speed in my comparison to micro SSD, that's why I went to look up "lower models".

[dire igloo]

if I told you to kick down the gas pedal on an empty straight road, the resulting driving experience would be as indicative of how the car behaves in real-world scenarios as sequential reads/writes are for SSDs.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1103053372032032791/1116464272671776808/nvme.png

copypasta that I made for the PCPP server

[dire igloo]

I made the point that you generalized m.2 as 7GB/s which was basically Gen 4 peak sequential performance

[night girder]

gotcha 👌

[dire igloo]

that's like me saying cars can go 330 km/h

[night girder]

Well, it's corrected now. Stated the speed I find for lower end models too.

But I am not going to do this for every type of storage.

[twin dew]

From that the top one is meaningless, third is semi-meaningless, the second and fourth are what matters for actual usage most.

And the best current SSDs seem to be now to 40us latency and 100MB/s read for those.

[dire igloo]

ctrl+alt+M btw

µs

[twin dew]

Just AltGr+M, but forgot.

[dire igloo]

AltGr does the same, yeah

[night girder]

While loading satisfactory.

[wanton orchid]

I don't trust crystaldisk for latency
it's only reciprocal of iops here
so not real

[twin dew]

It should be the opposite of the second, and it matches very well.

54.86µs for each read from sending the command to returning the result.
And then when you see how many of those you can then do in 1 second, at 4kB transfer size, you get that 75MB/s.

[wanton orchid]

it shouldn't
but here it is
which is stupid calculation by crystaldiskmark

if you are doing 1000 iops over 1000 queues and it takes 1s for each to complete
it'll show you 1ms latency
but it is 1s

[twin dew]

QD1 (Queue Depth = 1) means there is only one command in flight at a time.
QD32 would be 32 commands at same time in flight.

That Third (max IOPS) is at insane high queue depth.

The latency is at QD1.

[wanton orchid]

on your screenshot latency is exactly iops-1

I did the tests
it never unmatched

[twin dew]

Yeah, seems that that IOPS number is also at QD1, and not the max IOPS at high queue.

[wanton orchid]

I basically ignore "latency" in crystal disk
it only reports iops

[twin dew]

So the three bottom ones are same, just shown differently.

[wanton orchid]

yep

[twin dew]

And the drive spec is 22K IOPS QD1, 1,000K IOPS QD32 16 threads.

[wanton orchid]

latency would need it's own tests
with burst, spaced, steady .. command rates
spread

[twin dew]

No, as the QD1 testing is just about the latency basically.

And that average latency is turned into the others.
Or other way around.

Which is why most reviews now only show the latency for QD1.

Both read and write.

Same for all SSD specs, list sequentials in MB, and then one or two IOPS for the random.

[wanton orchid]

I don't know the exact rules of qd1 command interleavinng

if it can't interleave at all then ok

[twin dew]

There isn't interleaving at QD1, that is the point.

As there is ever only one command in flight.
OS sends one read command, and waits until the drive returns the data, and only then sends the next command.

With QD32 there would be 32 commands in flight max.

[wanton orchid]

ok so it directly ties to interleave so ok
then qd1 is real latency
but under burst

[twin dew]

OS would send 32, then wait until first returns data, send another, keeping 32 commands in flight.

[wanton orchid]

would be nice to get latency for sparse commands

[twin dew]

Which would be same, or worse, depending if the drive had gone to some power saving mode.

[wanton orchid]

worse

almost always worse unless the ssd is wrongly designed (except for removable storage)

because if you can expect next command to come
pipeline will be ready for it as possible

as possible -> can't be better else

so nice values would be latency per command size
(subtracting the pcie transfer rate latency)

because I would expect bigger data to require more time to gather

even if it transfers more efficiently

my point is
we can't get that kind of data with crystal disk
and most tools I seen don't do it well

maybe I could design one though
but to be honest I'm not used to code with low level storage request apis (especially Windows one)

[twin dew]

Optane was great...

[wanton orchid]

In the data part would be easy for me though

but isn't optane very costly

[twin dew]

It was, that is why it has been killed.

The factory has been gone for over a year already.

But is/was great for write intensive cache usage.

[wanton orchid]

write cache is mostly driver/os part

[twin dew]

As in Swap, Journaling file system Journals, etc.

That second part is stuff that needs to be written quickly, and is only read in case there is unexpected reboot.

SLOG for ZFS, etc.

[wanton orchid]

that part here seems to be done better

qd1 write

[twin dew]

Write endurance being the one big thing for Optane.

[tough owl]

we love gen3 ssds

[twin dew]

And remember that that specific Optane was the bottom of the barrel thing.

Meant to be used for cache drive for HDDs

PCIe 3.0 x2 connection, just single chip with very low capacity and channels.

[wanton orchid]

I use 980 pro m.2 for hdd cache
works very well

I have almost no effect on RAM cache vs 980 pro Cache

[twin dew]

As in product from time SSDs in laptops weren't yet standard, and Intel put out those "nominally" 16GB, 32GB and 64GB Optanes to be used with 2.5" laptop HDDs.

[wanton orchid]

though in actual use the whole loop may have 75us latency

so impact is not very high

I mean as long as ssd qd1 <50us

imo curent nvme are good enough at it

[twin dew]

Would like to get two of these for NAS:
www.servethehome.com/intel-optane-dc-p4801x-review-100gb-m-2-nvme-ssd-log-option/

[night girder]

Speaking of NAS, QNAP advised everyone to update their QNAP NAS.

www.qnap.com/en/security-advisory/qsa-24-09

[wanton orchid]

all I know from qnap is stupidly high priced option/extensions

[night girder]

@inner shale You use(d) WD right?

[tough owl]

I avoid WD like the plague

[night girder]

Same 😄

[twin dew]

I need to find time to actually start installing the new Linux server, that will run the NAS functions in one of the virtual machines...

[night girder]

once upon a time I wanted to play around with freenas

[tough owl]

truenas

or proxmox

(I use windows server because im a lazy bastard)

[night girder]

That's how long ago I was digging into it, I though it was still called FreeNAS 😂

[twin dew]

Going to be multiple Debians on Debian.

[night girder]

Downside is that their hardware is expensive to me.

[twin dew]

Just that the NAS one will also include ZFS support.

When all the other virtual machines and the base will be just on BTRFS

[tough owl]

Can’t you slap it on any hardware you own?

[night girder]

yes.

[tough owl]

you should be good. For my my nas is legit a thinkpad t480

[night girder]

Still it has a free restrictions I believe.

Oh now I remember, I wanted to put it on a raspberry PI.

and that isn't possible.

[tough owl]

Arm support is lacking

Debian/ubuntu arm support is actually good

[night girder]

Ok, but you haven't bought a new NAS yet? And if you did, and if it's QNAP, update 😂

oooh, yes you said you weren't happy or something with synology a while back, now I remember

yeah, they are pretty strict to enforcing security.

The old dms's were probably with too many vulnerabilities they didn't want to be responsible for any security issues with it.

Normally your hardware should be able to keep up with the OS updates for a good while.

[gilded helm]

Maybe I'm missing something, but in the HUB podcast and plenty of other discussion places, I've seen all this doom and gloom about 128 bit memory buses like they're something new? Most products have been 128-384 bit buses for a really long time now?

[edgy hazel]

ordered the USW-Lite-16-PoE

Finally I'll have enough ports

[winged valley]

Repair startup is expensive (this is just the stuff I've bought for the company, it is not including the many tools I already bought personally in the past

Yes I know the CH341A Black is faulty but I've modded one before so its fine

[sand saddle]

Under 1k for a business isn’t expensive. Did you mean side hustle?

[winged valley]

No I'm working on starting it up

With like no money

I have about 2k in tools I already own

This is intended to be my full employment, I've already verified to local market

And for me its expensive in the context of being a college student with no current income and not taking out a loan

[sharp oasis]

An 1800x is overkill for a nas right

[winged valley]

YES

caps

[sharp oasis]

Its what we had left over

Oh well

Will prolly put it to use being a home mc server

Or someth

[languid gulch]

if it's leftover but still usable i'd say it's perfect

[sharp oasis]

Leftover but perfectly usable

Might be able to add some utilisation for this cpu

[languid gulch]

i might be doing something with my old 1700X soon

i feel like AM4 is going to be around for a long time still as secondary pc hardware

[languid gulch]

oh & changing my fan curves has made a huge difference in noise 🤣

[twin dew]

Because the 128 bit is moving up the stack.

[gilded helm]

Ada 106 is an aberration for now, not a trend. And it was rightly massacred in reviews.

[twin dew]

And Nvidia made the same downgrade by a step for their whole stack for 4000-series.

No, 2080 was 256 bit, 3080 was 320, 4080 is back to 256.

1080 TI was 352 bit...

1080 normal was 256 bit

[gilded helm]

Names. To my eyes the product stack is basically the same as it's ever been. Nvidia can try as many stupid names as they want.

Reviews have been saying for years now that there's basically a gratuitous Nvidia tax, but people don't listen.

[languid gulch]

just once i wish AMD would say "fuck it" & come out with a gpu that destroys Nvidia's top end, even if it sucks down 1000W & costs $3000

[gilded helm]

Ugh. Discord mobile being crap as usual

[stray badger]

or they could just give a card that is not quite as fast, but $500

[languid gulch]

yea but shareholders & the press don't like that

[gilded helm]

Either way, barring HBM products, I think the consumer GPUs from both AMD and Nvidia have been 384-bit (if fully enabled) dies going all the way back to Tesla. Then there's always been 256, 192, and 128 bit dies (which might also be cut down).

[languid gulch]

there was one 512 bit, but that was like 15 years ago

[gilded helm]

I don't recall a die designed with 320? It wouldn't surprise me if one is out there.

GA 103 apparently, the outcast of Ampere

[languid gulch]

oh wow the new 50 series might be 512 bit

[twin dew]

Doesn't matter much if that is $3000 1000W monster.

[languid gulch]

true

[twin dew]

As in latest GN news has that Dell is preparing to support future 1000W Nvidia GPU

[languid gulch]

at that price it damn well better be 512 bit 🤣

[twin dew]

Price was just a WAG.

[languid gulch]

waiting for the price tag to just say "left kidney"

[twin dew]

But then the rich and companies etc. would need to find people to buy kidneys from.

[languid gulch]

they'd find a way if they knew they'd be pulling a profit

[gilded helm]

I bet the 512-bit thing is just a rumor. Unless it's not a consumer product at all. Truly enterprise only, not the weird gray zone they try and place some Titan products in.

Fundamentally games just don't need that sort of memory bandwidth unless you have the cores to feed it, but then you're using so much silicon that you may as well just make Enterprise products.

With all that said I can see gaming products being limited to 256 bit buses down the road. If the value of using as much silicon as possible for enterprise becomes worse than it is now, so to speak, and consumer products can top out at 400mm dGPUs.

[languid gulch]

or maybe they'll resurrect the titan name with a 512, then 2nd in the stack could be 256

[maiden coyote]

one day I'll get cable internet hooked up again

D:

[gilded helm]

What would a 512 bit GPU look like? The size of the GPU die to even justify that would be gigantic, then all of the traces necessary to connect 16 memory modules would be quite a design project. And you think cards are big now!

[maiden coyote]

it'd probably use something like hbm memory

[gilded helm]

On the other hand, maybe we've all got the wrong idea altogether, and it will actually have a relatively small amount of cores and the huge memory bus, because it will be some sort of entry level AI card that only exists because HBM or the packaging process to get HBM attached to the GPU is supply constrained.

[maiden coyote]

although right now my upload is faster than 1gig cable.. and the download is almost as fast as the 300mbit I'm getting..

nivida is going hard on ai stuff.. if you haven't invested stock in them yet.. it might not be too late

it's jumped almost $100usd in the last week or two

and with more and more large comapines investing in AI hardware.. I doubt it's peaked

[gilded helm]

Plus they have a new product coming by the end of the year

[night girder]

huh, wonder how long this is going to last. The race to AI is being held by multiple companies.

It's the third tech company though to ever reach 2 billion worth. (Nasdaq)

[twin dew]

The market caps for tech companies are completely arbitrary.

Investors just playing version of "chicken".

[night girder]

still, only 3 hit it in history. I am impressed.

[languid gulch]

it feels like a bubble to me

[twin dew]

That was what I meant with playing chicken.
Who will be left holding the shares when the market tanks next time.

[mental oriole]

It's gonna crash in a few weeks pretty sure.

[sterile plinth]

would sawing off the arms work 😂

im not really sure if arms are useful

[night girder]

You think? I am not sure. I think Nvidia has a pretty strong market value atm. And it's not unexpected. So I don't think it's a bubble.

Nvidia is also investing in the future, refocusing towards AI etc.

[twin dew]

With that kind of "valuation", it is always a bubble.

[night girder]

What do you consider a bubble?

Analysts at top firms ranging from JPMorgan to Goldman Sachs disagree on whether the AI craze will turn out like the dot-com era — or if it's a bubble at all

qz.com/nvidia-stock-ai-bubble-earnings-wall-street-analysts-1851306661

If even those "geniuses" can't figure it out 😂

[twin dew]

I would consider very big part of overall stock market being in a bubble again.
Where the valuation of the various stocks and companies has nothing to do with their actual short or long term assets, profits and revenue.
Just pumped up by trading.

[night girder]

Nvidia’s sales are concentrated among only a few buyers. For example, Microsoft accounted for more than 20% of Nvidia’s second-quarter revenues last year. But Luria expects that “Microsoft will begin to diverge [its] heavy reliance on Nvidia hardware, and move those investments into the development of their own AI accelerator Maia as well as other competitor products.”

I find that a interesting part in the article tbh.

And Microsoft is turning to Intel for Chips production. Announced last month.

[twin dew]

And I didn't just mean Tech companies, but all aspects of the stock market and the various crap that has been developed in there.

[wanton orchid]

the "ai market" have entirely been tuned for marketing bullshit
it is a bubble

but it's surely more efficient to use a ai accelerator for 5ms when you could simply do well thought calculation on classical hardware in 5us

the market of lie is very big

[edgy hazel]

This is what we call "Art" in the industry

It's a conductor supported air mount

[charred pewter]

would most likely cause the backrest to be dangerously weak ... if you leaned back too hard, it could easily snap the remaining parts of the arm holding everything together

the only true way would be spending a lot of time and effort making up new braces that bolt into the same spots, but have lower arm clearance ........ or just buying a new chair

[sterile plinth]

how much did your new one cost?

[charred pewter]

$300

office max, staples, office furniature stores, have other models for less... like around $80 you can get a decently comfy chair with a wide base, and adjustable arms

just dont buy a "Gamer Chair" ... they are apparently very uncomfortable and fall apart quick

i got a Komene, which is a comparable alternative to the Herman chairs, at considerable less money

and ive never found the Herman chairs to be all that comfy myself .... every bank and office has them around here, and they all feel horrible when i sit in them 😄

that said; HAVING arms is actually useful ..... it helps with wrist fatigue for long stints in gaming ... as you can rest your elbows on the arms, and let your hands/arms to the work with the mouse/kb

but if you sit 'high' enough, and can dangle your elbows straight with the desk, i guess thats ok too (but ive found that wears me out quicker as well)

theres tons of articles out there about "proper sitting" and angles and distances n shit ....... pfft

same kind of articles which think these torture devices are 'great for long office work' ...

however due to the way I've many times in the past pulled my legs up under me ..... i am actually curious about this chair 😄

[stray badger]

you have to adjust them to fit you, and its less about comfort and more about correct posture

[edgy hazel]

all set up and waiting for my switch 😄

[tough owl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOK108FHZ_s

this is exactly what i imagined his desk to be like

theres no way he edits prores on a 6700t and a gt1030

[pure karma]

similar minds think alike

[night girder]

full blog: blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2023/transforming-the-global-town-square

but rumors has it, that X-app is copy/pasta from youtube app 😄

[twin dew]

And that at least one tweet during a session contains some kind of video is pretty low bar to meet...

[night girder]

I just love how they keep reinventing themselves. They really aren't going to accept defeat 😄

I mean, competing with YT might not be such a bad idea honestly. It's gone pretty stale.

[edgy hazel]

getting people to pay before the site concept is even done is such a great move

[stray badger]

time to watch some... X videos

[edgy hazel]

my sick ass raspi + switch rack

[pure karma]

why is there a fish tank clipping trough it???

[edgy hazel]

that's just the print area

[pure karma]

oh

[edgy hazel]

I've split it into 3 parts so it all can be printet

it's actual rack size

It'll go there

[pure karma]

dang

thats probably gonna be pretty sweet

id love to have a switch pannel lol

[edgy hazel]

All the cables will be properly managed once I have the switch

and the missing Ethernet keystones

[pure karma]

just having a bunch of switches to do everything seems way too fun like monitor 1 ,2,3 computer 1,2 afterburner 47 nuclear power plant 4 haha

and you just end up flicking switches the whole time

[edgy hazel]

I ordered a 16 port switch 😄

ports for days

[pure karma]

dang lol

have enough ethernet ports to feed a family of 5

[tough owl]

https://fixupx.com/dexerto/status/1766886383753277790?s=46

Oh no

[edgy hazel]

got I love how every platform is just going to shit

gonna start a blog soon and send newsletters

[night girder]

How do you mean every platform?

If it's related to what Kade posted. ByteDance is pressured into selling TikTok. So not much they can do about that.

[edgy hazel]

I mean that this dude is gonna kill it

[night girder]

Oh, I though that's was the idea by forcing ByteDance to sell it. To kill off TikTok, without killing it off directly.

Ok, when I read better into it. TikTok is just caught up in politics.

If anyone wants to read the proposed law: d1dth6e84htgma.cloudfront.net/TIKTOK_xml_a8572d67bb.pdf

[jagged snow]

Yeah, the idea really isn't to kill it and I don't quite understand why so many people think it is

[charred pewter]

hmm, my pc "testmy.net" results vs my mac ... going through the same switch, the same router .... are much off. PC: 590 d, 1290 u .... my mac: 650 d, 363 u

[night girder]

Well, forcing a app to sell or be banned and losing a a big userbase ... that's a gently push towards the exit in my view 😉

Not killing it off directly, because then there will be blowback. So this law is pretty smart.

And afaik, another country can't force a company from another country, to sell their app. All they can say is: then it's not allowed here.

but if you look at the law design, it's specifically aimed at TikTok.

[sand saddle]

Lmao

Politics indeed

[jagged snow]

Yeah, that's a fair analysis

[jagged snow]

For good reason imo

But I also don't use that platform so it probably doesn't matter as much to me as it does to other people

[night girder]

That's why I stay a bit quiet on the subject. I never used TikTok. So I have no clue it it's a privacy concern or not.

Has there been other precedents like this in the tech world?

[jagged snow]

I think so but I don't really know

However, it is true that tiktok has the most aggressive data collection of any major social media platform, and they do attempt to manipulate their users

[dire igloo]

https://x.com/hankgreen/status/1766113041601777769

Hank Green (@hankgreen) on X

Your yearly reminder that TikTok is banned in China 🙃

Twitter · Mar 8, 2024, 2:45 PM

[night girder]

TikTok has never been available in China, as the country has its own version of the app, called Douyin. Both apps are owned by the same Chinese company, ByteDance.

www.snopes.com/fact-check/is-tiktok-banned-in-china/

I am just worried this will result in a down-spiral or repercussions.

[pure karma]

tiktok can go to hell for all i care

[night girder]

a lot of social media imo 😛

[tough owl]

social media used to be cool

now its depressing

[pure karma]

yea

[maiden coyote]

what kind of switch are you getting?

[edgy hazel]

Unifi Lite 16

Currently 3D printing a rack mount for it

[maiden coyote]

with poe?

[edgy hazel]

ye

[maiden coyote]

very nice

I spent way too much on unifi gear

[pure karma]

why do you guys need so much network stuff?

i dont see a scenario where i would need more than like 5 ethernet ports at most

[maiden coyote]

it's worth it versus going with tplink. and netgear is probably just about as bad

poe cameras, multiple access points for whole home gigabit wifi.. and etc

[fossil flare]

Man if I had the room for a server...lmao

[maiden coyote]

Since I've got a house now I have half a closet (:

[fossil flare]

I mean I own my house, but like no room in it lmao kids like to run rampant through my house

But I did catch this out in the wild

[maiden coyote]

if you can get one.. they're sold out now.. but the cloud keys are pretty good for management.

[maiden coyote]

damn.. that's at someones house? o.o

[edgy hazel]

My home server is next to my Minecraft legos

[gilded helm]

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/tinybox-packs-a-punch-with-six-of-amds-fastest-gaming-gpus-repurposed-for-ai-george-hotzs-new-box-uses-radeon-7900-xtx-and-retails-for-dollar15k-now-in-production

[fossil flare]

Yeah customer has a 3.5 million dollar house, bridge outside in the front crossing over a rock river to the front door it was pretty nice, im pretty jealous of it'

[maiden coyote]

damnit..

[dire igloo]

Why 7900XTX and not 4080 Super?

[gilded helm]

"Apparently, these consumer-grade GPUs fully support the peer-to-peer interconnections necessary for large language models (unlike Nvidia's GeForce RTX 4090), so the company chose to use these GPUs over Nvidia's more popular options."

These are going to be intriguing once they hit the used market in a few years.

[tough owl]

Doesn’t have Star Wars Legos not interested

[storm crag]

Cheaper than 4080S, larger bus, and more VRAM for starters...

AI is going to rip the "more ram, more performance" argument right out of gamers hands. Ram will go to the enterprise folks, and gaming focused cards will use AI (semi-ironically) in DLSS/FSR/XESS to make up the difference in skimpy ram that can't brute-force raster graphics the way they have been for the past 20 years.

[dire igloo]

Seems like this Tinybox thingy is a non-CUDA computational implementation, doesn't really make sense otherwise

[gilded helm]

That idea has always been out there. That people who roll their own ecosystem will use AMD products just because the raw silicon offers a lot of potential. Same with MI300

[jagged snow]

Does anyone have a potential theory for why the spotify desktop app would take upwards of a minute to respond to inputs from media keys? The web client or any other application behaves as expected.

Tried a full reinstall, tried downloading from multiple sources

Oh right, it's also fairly intermittent

[stray badger]

peer to peer connection, as described 2 messages earlier

[gilded helm]

Because the Spotify desktop app is a steaming pile of garbage.

It has issues too numerous to name

[jagged snow]

Like the fact that the cache likes to reside at almost 15gb?

The part that befuddles me is that it's essentially the same thing under the hood as the web app

[gilded helm]

Most likely, Spotify is in the category of developers that are perfectly fine to keep things only just barely working.

The thing that fascinates me the most is their social features are still terrible. There are people who I follow, but I get no notifications or anything when they post new playlists.

And I don't even have an easy way to navigate to their profiles.

[jagged snow]

Yeah, I do find it a little impressive
All the dev work goes into the backend I guess

[sage pier]

@twin dew how long does it take for an isp to install fiber into an area they said the're "working on it" since its a brand new neighborhood but its been a shit show with my current isp.

[jagged snow]

That depends on a truly vast array of factors

[sage pier]

ok but like within the next year?

or could it be in a month to a decade?

its too vast

[jagged snow]

Six months to two years is probably a reasonable estimate if they're actively working on it

[maiden coyote]

Never.

You didn't ask me, but I'll answer anyway. The best way would be to get all your neighbors to call and request fiber there, and if there's enough customer base the fiber provider may consider running it into your neighborhood. It's roughly $20 a foot to run fiber here.

so depending on the provider.. at $16 to $20 a foot.. about $84,480 - $105,600 per mile

[sage pier]

theres 2 people in the neighborhood me and next door who's a retired couple that probably have satellite dsl

[sage pier]

I could start a petition to get quantam fiber in the neighborhood and say everyone in my neighborhood signed it

[maiden coyote]

at 100k a mile for two people, unless the fiber is right there or there's a business.. multiple businesses on your road that'd be interested in it, you're sol.

[sage pier]

oof alr

[sage pier]

How much does business fiber cost?

[sage pier]

ah ok I don't think they sell business fiber they just sell "business grade fiber"

well theres 3 gig so maybe there is idk

[maiden coyote]

either way, the fiber company is looking to make money, if they run it for you and your neighbor they won't recover their investment in your lifetime.. that also depends on how close the nearest fiber run is.

[twin dew]

Or they might be willing to run it, if you pay the whole install cost, which will be in tens of thousands minimum.

[twin dew]

www.techspot.com/news/102197-steam-deck-oled-shows-slight-burn-1500-hours.html

[pure karma]

i wouldn't be woried about burn in.... heck after 2 years straight of running the same image at max brightness this was the result

[twin dew]

Different device?

[pure karma]

oh im a dummy

[tough owl]

Swoled

[pure karma]

i dident read the "steam" part

[tough owl]

Missed “deck” too

[pure karma]

im not used to having other piles of trash in the mobile console space

[tough owl]

Yes my favorite new pile of trash. A steam deck

[pure karma]

i mean who said the switch wouldn't work as a deck its fairly strong structurally

[tough owl]

Huh

I have no idea what you’re trying to get at

[pure karma]

replace wood whit switch = switch deck

[tough owl]

www.theverge.com/2024/3/11/24097074/the-european-commission-breached-eu-privacy-rules-when-using-microsoft-365

silly EU

[night girder]

Funneh right 😄 But atleast we don't make laws to ban specific TikTok 😂

[sage pier]

having 23" being called a wide screen is wild

if you have enough dp or hdmi or vga ports you could use the old one for a second or 3rd display if you have room on ur desk

otherwise theres not a lot you can do with them

[winged valley]

it is by definition widescreen if its 16:9 or 16:10

[dire igloo]

Widescreen is an aspect ratio, totally unrelated to size

[sage pier]

ah ok my bad

oof 4:3 must be painful

[dire igloo]

Can be really nice if used properly

More vertical real estate, helps with documents

[edgy hazel]

Okay mount is done printing. Now to finishing it and tomorrow I can paint it

And my switch should also arrive tomorrow maybe

[sage pier]

@twin dew I plugged in the eero router and it just works is there anything else I need to do though?

[twin dew]

Would suggest switching it to AP mode or like, so it doesn't do NAT.

double-NAT = bad when not needed.

[twin dew]

www.bitdefender.com/consumer/support/answer/3608/

[sage pier]

Ok i did it but whats the benifit of doing this?

[twin dew]

Wifi devices will be in same network with the devices not behind the EERO.
So Windows file sharing etc. works, and less problems with NAT punchthroughs etc.

[sage pier]

Ok

[sage pier]

Is it normal to say wired is offline?

Nvm it fixed ig

[twin dew]

At least some do.

[pure karma]

i love checking drive info on laptops lol

[tough owl]

https://fixupx.com/erwanlier/status/1767281952548114437?s=20

[edgy hazel]

Printing my DnD tilesets

estimated time: heatdeath of universe

[charred pewter]

ugh

[visual tree]

Sometimes I wish phones didn't exist because of this lol https://www.youtube.com/shorts/43zQ2nAREL0

Best excuse: tell your employer you live in a remote area where signal is weak

[charred pewter]

sometimes i wish that whole generation didn't exist because of this

[visual tree]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-SWhPPzWcLo

Never been an IT manager but I remember when I worked in college IT department and had to walk up the stairs all the way to the top floor so I could find a teacher can't print documents because the printer was turned off

I was pissed at that moment lol

[edgy hazel]

NO I WILL NOT SHOW YOU HOW TO CHANGE THE VIEW IN OUTLOOK!! OPEN A TICKET SO THE WHOLE IT DEPARTMENT CAN LAUGH AT YOU!

[charred pewter]

... reach their machine, and they are looking at Thunderbird, and not Outlook ...

[edgy hazel]

those are the linux users. They can do their shit by themselves. If not, pick a macbook next time babe

[visual tree]

We recently got a new update at work for Outlook and everyone reverted back to the old design when we saw this confusing interface:

Old interface is 10x better and more intuitive

[edgy hazel]

that's like 1:1 the one before but with different colours

[charred pewter]

what is this mess

[visual tree]

Wait till Microsoft forces everyone to use that ugly interface....

We are safe for now since we can continue using the old interface

[charred pewter]

i use Mail.app in 'clean mode' 😄

one sidebar, one main list ... open each mail in a new clean window

i hate tabbed mail browsing even ... or that 'mail view pane' on the bottom when clicking a list item

[visual tree]

Btw, does everyone at work have a status icon which shows if someone is online, in a meeting or away?

[charred pewter]

like geezes, im just clicking on an item in a list, dont fucken open the whole thing firing off javascripts and loading images and attachments

[visual tree]

Online = green, Meeting = red, away = yellow

[edgy hazel]

it's literally the same

what are you complaining about?

[charred pewter]

we use Slack for work .... and yeah, color'd dots

[edgy hazel]

teams here ;-;

[visual tree]

This one is much better for me though. Everyone at work hates the new design

[charred pewter]

the image herg posted looks worse to me 😄 like its stuck in windows98se

[edgy hazel]

but why? please don't tell me you've ever used this shit

[charred pewter]

hahaha i cleaned so many buttons and widgets off my mail.app cause i never ever click on them

[visual tree]

Haven't used it so far

[charred pewter]

mmm simplicity

[edgy hazel]

5.000.000 years remaining

[charred pewter]

although i dont know what that one on the far left does

[charred pewter]

wtf you printing ???

[edgy hazel]

DnD tiles

[charred pewter]

ah! ... almost thought you were trying to landscape your backyard

[edgy hazel]

They get glued to a base each and every base got magnets

[charred pewter]

cool

[edgy hazel]

So I can just quickly put stuff together

[charred pewter]

are those like 12x12" or ... much smaller, i cant tell the scale

[visual tree]

That would probably take 1 month at least to print all the pieces (depending on how large the backyard is)

[charred pewter]

some of those in the print looked like 'custom drainage runs' for a water feature 😄

[mental oriole]

Make me a castle

[visual tree]

I saw a lot of cool 3D models online but gave up when I saw the time it takes to print everything 😅

[charred pewter]

and i bet, given PLA ... would last longer than real stone work!

[edgy hazel]

Every space is 4x4cm. Each model there is 2x2

[edgy hazel]

Its a sewer system

[charred pewter]

oh wow

much smaller than i thought

[winged valley]

Its pretty understandable honestly there's just less buttons which sucks

[mental oriole]

My main issue is the left sidebar and the top navigation menu, the rest looks fine though... except for missing the quick calendar part in the mail view...

[visual tree]

The top navigation menu drives me insane, I could survive with anything else changed

[visual tree]

Make sure to include corporate sween in the list too

Worst one: Oh, you are working from home? I expect you to be available 24/7 then since you have nothing else to do

Happened during the pandemic

[edgy hazel]

just found out that my connection to the router is only 100mbit 🤨

[visual tree]

My former boss wanted everyone to return to the office when the pandemic was slowing down because she assumed everyone is using Facebook when working from home....

I actually had a lot of overwork hours working from home because of that false assumption....

My former boss was like: "If I can't see what you are doing, I will assume everyone is on Facebook automatically and you will have to work overtime"

Good thing I quit...

[edgy hazel]

our boss tried that. Got a stern reminder that the entire IT dep will leave if that happens

[visual tree]

Our whole company left anyways lol

The boss was just too toxic

All of this could have been easily avoided: just assign some tasks and define deadlines

[edgy hazel]

But tbh I'm also not a dude who likes 100% home office. Gimme a day a week office time and I'm good

[visual tree]

If someone doesn't do anything by the deadline, you know he was doing nothing

She was around 40 (my boss)

[visual tree]

We can work 12 days a month from home here. In the previous companies I worked for, this was unheard of so I consider myself privileged

Even my friends who work at other companies can't get a single day to work from home

[edgy hazel]

We got a "please show your face from time to time" policy

[charred pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/internet-internet-down-internet-slow-connecting-failed-connection-gif-23040144

[edgy hazel]

got the Curse Of Slow Internet and didn't even know it

[charred pewter]

one of our API's is suffering that right now ... the destination host is like nrrrrr TIME OUT nrrrrr TIME OUT nrrrr UNRESPONSIVE

[edgy hazel]

(I don't use anything outside of my little switch bubble that would need gigabit anyways)

[pure karma]

yea 3D printing truly does take forever

[visual tree]

Ah, the infamous "Elephant's foot"

Or not, I would be dead by now if it was real

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant's_Foot_(Chernobyl)

[edgy hazel]

(no this isn't a dudes soul disintegrating, the photo was shot through mirrors)

[stray badger]

Nah, thats just an anomaly

[winged valley]

Just learned about "canonical sum-of-products" and wtf is this monstrosity

[charred pewter]

looks like something i made in shapez

[winged valley]

The function that represents is

That's apparently the "canonical" SoP form of

[tough owl]

you think I should replace my thermal paste on my tower with one of these?

www.lttstore.com/products/ptm7950-phase-change-thermal-pad?variant=40441790955623

[winged valley]

No? This is basic boolean logic expressed as an electrical circuit

All computers started from there in a way

[tough owl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_RO8bJop8o intel keeps comin back

[gilded helm]

Those who can't do, teach 😛

[tough owl]

intel making their own "nvidia ldat" and open sourcing it all and itll integrate with presentmon soon

[edgy hazel]

If anyone asks... still on it

[winged valley]

From a business image and advertising perspective, is it better to publish an "under construction" page to my domain with a contact email

Or is it better to just wait until the real page is done

[pure karma]

i see im not the only one that can nerver get a mostly perfect print

[pure karma]

out of 10 how decent of a idea would it be to overclock my 13700K

dont know about E-cores on or off but just in general a p core overclock

[edgy hazel]

They are actually printing quite well for moving at 90mm/s

Its got a little bit of stringing but all in all it is as expected

[pure karma]

ok that explains it but yea i have nerver managed to get a good print whit any settings or speeds

i was gonna finally undervolt my cpu but apparently its allready at 0...????

nervermind....

well pushing the turbo to 5600MHZ worked just it shuts off the turbo at 80C so it dident exactly last long

but it dident crash so theres that

[cyan crescent]

I ordered something online and when i got a text about my order, it actually isnt a bot who texted me but an actual person. Honestly impressive

[pure karma]

would i be fine undervolting down to like 1.1Volts?

im at 1.175V right now if i remember correctly and default is 1.2V

note to self the 13700K can not be undervolted

[tough owl]

It can 💀

On z series boards

[pure karma]

im on a z790 and it just shuts off as soon as you go under the default voltage lol

[tough owl]

Must be doing it wrong

[pure karma]

might just not like getting undervolted while the e-cores are enabled

nervermind it still explodes on cinebench whitout the underclock

its so unstable even at the default 1.2V intel recommends dang

the core clock is just so unstable

[tough owl]

I can’t wait to see a message saying you killed your cpu

[pure karma]

its fluxuating from like 3600mhz-5100mhz

[pure karma]

well i think im allready getting there fairly quick because 30% of its performance just left existence

i think i found the problem

its not getting the full power its trying to use

its trying to use 250W but its only getting 200W

i wonder what could be the cause of the problem

the answer: probably gigabytes shitty psu cables

[tough owl]

Oh maybe the low voltage or amp limits

[pure karma]

its at 1.3V on auto

im not even controlling it anymore

yea when i was hitting my 30K+ cinebench scores was the last time i was at the full 250W

i have a theory altho baldur said it was hurtting more than helping but im still going to double check it

if it crashes here its psu cables if it dosent and goes to the full 250W than i figured it out

better but not 250W so i think its in fact the psu cables

that sucks

im telling you as soon as i get another PSU im smashing this one into 4 million pieces

[edgy hazel]

How to wipe SSD: drill a hole through it

Result:

[twin dew]

When you just move the old HDD procedure to new tech 🤣

[languid gulch]

i wanna know why CS2 is 100x the download size of the original

[twin dew]

CS2 in this case is what?

[languid gulch]

counter strike

[twin dew]

Counter Strike 2?
Probably because vastly higher detail textures?

[languid gulch]

i keep forgetting how old the original is 🤣

ok that kinda makes sense

[twin dew]

When you go from just few very low detail textures for a whole level, to unique high detail textures for every surface, the size will balloon.

And with many of the textures shared between levels.

In the original.

[tribal kraken]

But what is original CS? The half life mod I dowloaded with 56k dial-up was pain 😄

[languid gulch]

it's from 2000

[languid gulch]

my mmo felt like not really testing some animations when introducing a new race, so emote animations went about as well as you'd expect

[edgy hazel]

The only use of AI I endorse are breaking bad memes

[glad nexus]

Better call some beats

[languid gulch]

JESSIE, WE NEED TO MIX

[edgy hazel]

Breaking Beats

[mental oriole]

Beating bad.

[glad nexus]

be cooking up some smooth rhythm

[tough owl]

https://tenor.com/view/tight-tuco-breaking-bad-gif-7215689

[edgy hazel]

Moving towards the goal

This is a factory in here

[mental oriole]

Nice.

[languid gulch]

oh man 3d printing D&D maps would bankrupt me 🤣

[charred pewter]

vnice

[pure karma]

that turned out pretty sweet and honestly the printing mistakes make it even better in this scenario

[edgy hazel]

I still don't know what mistakes you mean

[pure karma]

the gaps and holes in the flat bits

[edgy hazel]

that's... part of the model

[pure karma]

oh...

[pure karma]

yea im use to ussing printers that even tho they have big price tags cant print a single thing corectly i remember testing out a like 3000$ ultimaker printer and it couldent even print a flat rectangle properly

[jagged snow]

That is your problem, not the printers

[pure karma]

funny story that printer broke itself like a year ago and dosent exist anymore so im gonna go whit it was a printer problem

[jagged snow]

Printers also don't really break themselves

And especially when you're involved, I have very nearly zero faith that something breaking can be attributed to anything or anyone but you

[pure karma]

i wasent the one that even broke it

[jagged snow]

Ah, so somebody broke the printer, it didn't break itself

[pure karma]

it broke itself while printing something but it wasn't my print

i was just the last person that was asked to try and fix it and dident even bother trying

i did look it up and aparently its a common issue for ultimaker 3d printers to just burn there own heating wires killing part of the board in the process

and i say part of the board but its technically one of the two boards there's one for movement and one for heating/filament movement

your pretty much left whit a 3000$ 3D printer that cant do anything but move around

[sharp oasis]

things dont break themselves

[twin dew]

Badly designed things do.

And lot of "cheap" 3D printers have had very bad designs in some areas.

[jagged snow]

The ultimaker series isn't cheap, and has a very good reputation for a reason though

[pure karma]

saying things dont break themselfs is like saying a tree dosent colapse under its own weight

[edgy hazel]

a 3000$ ultimaker doesn't break by itself

also remember to add the AI filter for the internet to become somewhat useful again
https://github.com/laylavish/uBlockOrigin-HUGE-AI-Blocklist

ai shit keeps fucking up any image search I do

[tough owl]

🙏

[gilded helm]

Heh heh, SEO was bad enough before

[tough owl]

kinda works?

[pure karma]

i refuse to believe they have a good quality check reputation maby a quality print reputation but defedently not good design

[tough owl]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-eating-popcorn-enjoy-i-like-nom-nom-gif-11040065238845078056

[pure karma]

i have personally confirmed that the 2+ and 3+ also have this issues not only when changing the filament but also WHILE PRINTING https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvtUsF3C6lQ&ab_channel=3DPrintEverything

there are heatting issues too but they are fairly inconsistent so im not even gonna argue over them

[jagged snow]

So it's not a problem with the printer, but configuration?

And that has nothing to do with the printer breaking

Just jamming

[pure karma]

its one of many issues

[jagged snow]

Yeah no, from what I'm seeing this guy just doesn't know how to work with a bowden tube setup

And I'm not saying they're pefect printers by any means, they definitely have their quirks

[pure karma]

my main complain is that these are for the most part unfixable issues that are super obvious to any sort of quality check testing

[jagged snow]

What on earth do you mean by unfixable?

[edgy hazel]

wait no the divots are 100% user error

[pure karma]

the feeder wheel cant be manually controled or ajusted

aswell as most of there printers bricking themselfs after a nozzle change but im not even gonna get into that

[jagged snow]

I have personally changed the nozzles on an s3 multiple times with no issue

[pure karma]

changing the nozzle bricks the heating on the 2+ and 3+ because it becomes to dumb to detect it

thats not just me saying that i had a experienced guy tell me the same thing

[edgy hazel]

with original nozzles or offbrand?

[pure karma]

the official nozzles for it

[edgy hazel]

because that sounds like just a shitty nozzle

[sharp oasis]

I fixed my pixel

[edgy hazel]

yeah don't buy it. There would be a recall if the original nozzles brick the printer

[tough owl]

7a?

[pure karma]

they don't care enough its not like anyone is gonna call them out for it most people buying these have the money to buy a new printer every 3 months because of that issue either way

[edgy hazel]

brother it's a 3000$ product

[dire igloo]

I'm amazed by the lack of minmaxing with my DnD character

I'm a Twilight Cleric - Aarakocra, backline spellcaster

[visual tree]

I'm alive! We had power outage for 10 "eternal" seconds

Someone must have flipped the wrong switch

[tough owl]

sorry about that

[pure karma]

hate those when it goes down just long enough to shut everything down and as soon as everything shuts off it just comes right back

[tough owl]

this is why you have a ups at your desk kids

[dire igloo]

I took my entire workplace offline on tuesday, pulled the wrong network cable (it was a planned outage, those two are unrelated)

[visual tree]

Someone on Facebook mentioned they heard an electrical substation "knocking" for 10 minutes

Guess it was some kind of protection then

At one company I worked at, I caused a short circuit by plugging in a very old PC into an electrical socket. The whole floor went out

Turns out, the PC had a very old and unstable PSU and you can only plug it in the UPS

I don't even understand why they still used it...

[dire igloo]

We had a "forbidden red switch" on our old school PCs - it flipped the PSU from 230V mode to 120V

[tough owl]

Get that thing a new psu at the very least

[tough owl]

I may or may not have done that with my 3d printer when I first got it

[visual tree]

That was a long time ago though. Don't know what happened to the pc

[tough owl]

At school I know the locations of a handful of old pcs that weren’t properly decommissioned and just chilling in storage

[visual tree]

One of my coworkers forgot to mention when we were moving to a new office to connect that PC to UPS only

[sharp oasis]

6

[edgy hazel]

Nice

[tough owl]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1055289309604876330/1214717131971625051/0y2bp9W.gif

[visual tree]

Glad online exams weren't that common back in my days

Lesson learned: if you take any kind of online exams, make sure there are no pictures with people's face on the wall lol

[jagged snow]

I've got one for a certification test I'm taking soon

I'll have to make sure to take the pictures down

[visual tree]

Every examiner should check flagged webcam shots to see if there are false-positives though

[dire igloo]

I wonder if they could sue you if you have a gigantic dildo sitting in the background

[jagged snow]

For my certification, I'm going to see if I can get away with using one of these

[dire igloo]

use Virtualcam, put on a looped video of yourself doing nothing

[visual tree]

I wonder if AI could detect looped video 🤔

[dire igloo]

friend of mine did that in uni, had a 5s clip of himself drinking that looped perfectly. He had it on for 20+ minutes during one lecture until the professor noticed it

[visual tree]

Some online tests I took flag you if you exit the exam window but don't require a webcam 😅

Like, did they forget people can use a phone?

[jagged snow]

And there is also software to make a window thing it has focus when it does not

[visual tree]

I bet some teachers in schools are going to revert back to paper test since it's more difficult to check when you are physically present

Taking exams online opens an opportunity to find many creative ways to cheat

[edgy hazel]

that sucks so much tho... I recently had to code on paper because of that

making SQL queries with a pen is so fun

[visual tree]

Oh god

I got pissed when we had finance test and had to write a very long formula instead of just using an excel formula

Like, nobody working in finances today would calculate anything on paper (I mean on specific indicators)

[dire igloo]

my professor in uni was nice: he wanted to be able to recognize what the code does, he didn't care about language or even pseudocode

I asked him if I could put down whitespace. He said I could, but I'd have to clarify the characters in such a way that he could hack it into an interpreter - and if it didn't work, he'd have to give me zero points because he has no clue where the mistake was (which made awarding points for a partial solution impossible)

[wanton orchid]

why can't they provide you with a keyboard and screen for coding

would be more fair

no database, fancy software, nor internet access

only official editor

recorded

fully safe

[edgy hazel]

capitalism

[wanton orchid]

capitalism of paper industry

[edgy hazel]

investing into education has no direct profit incentive

[fringe ivy]

They could spin their own Linux with an IDE just for testing.

[edgy hazel]

they need any form of hardware first

our tech schools IT rooms use 4:3 screens.

[wanton orchid]

teach you the old way of getting eyes problem at 35

[dire igloo]

I attended a coaching for job applications and the institution doing this coaching relied on public funding - their machines used Windows Server 2008, the most recent Firefox version that was supported was so outdated that Xing didn't work.

[languid gulch]

Blarg on youtube had someone send him a 1m tall one as a joke, & it sat behind him for months. i think he got a bunch of videos finally demonitized or something because at some point he just put a hat on it 🤣

[winged valley]

Anyone here know of "hidden" sites to find/buy boardviews from? I need to find the boardview for the A2172 iPhone 12 (really only the bottom board/bottom side) and everyone I can find only has files for pro/pro max

[twin dew]

Which probably means no-one has leaked that one at this time.
As the sites dealing in such things would probably all buy it from first to get it or would otherwise have same sources monitored.

[languid gulch]

about 5 hours from a possible Starship launch

[twin dew]

If it happens later than before, then yes.

[edgy hazel]

What the actual fuck bing

[mental oriole]

[edgy hazel]

More like spy AI

Shit going sloppy style on all my internal admin tools what the hell

"Please make an image"
Sure, btw here are all your internal addresses for no reason

[twin dew]

FAKE ~~Stream starting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhP--YgvZ7w~~ FAKE

[sand saddle]

Oo 3min

Lmao

[twin dew]

WTF?!

[sand saddle]

Hacked?

Elon will be mad

[twin dew]

Ah, wrong SpaceX...

@SpaceX034?

Very well made fake...

[dire igloo]

This seems legit
https://www.youtube.com/live/RrxCYzixV3s

[twin dew]

Yeah, there is several unofficial streams ongoing.

[sand saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/abba-money-money-money-its-a-rich-mans-world-70s-music-sweden-gif-17890846

[twin dew]

On SpaceX Twitter they say that stream will start 30 minutes before T-0, but "nice" that nothing is public...

For coming stream location / URL.

But my mistake, I did YouTube search and didn't look close enough.

[wanton orchid]

"please can you send this very confidential new tech of code to Microsoft so it can help me clean it a bit, so I can get revenu for it and competing with Microsoft partners"
oh wait

[sand saddle]

Minecraft papermc?

My Iphone X is slowly becoming dependant on a power bank

It already is with my usage

[pure karma]

short battery duration or you just use it way too much?

[sand saddle]

Short battery

Also use it a lot

So both

[twin dew]

The official stream now?
https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1LyxBnOvzvOxN

[sand saddle]

Screen time is turned off lol

At some point like 2 years ago it clitched and was displaying wrong data so I turned it off

[pure karma]

i mean if its still over like 2 hours on max brightness its probably tolerable

or maby thats just me being used to the switch lasting like 2-2.5 hours and finding 2-3 the norm

[edgy hazel]

The only sane choice for hosting a mc server

[sand saddle]

So it listed your tabs or what?

[edgy hazel]

I don't know where it got this info from

I use firefox and ddg

On all device except mac where I use safari

Sometimes I use bing chat but I most certainly am not adding that stuff there

[languid gulch]

yea, they're my go-to since spacex/musk refuses to broadcast on anything besides Xitter

they're uber-nerds with their own equipment, but they'll also split carry the "official" streams

[twin dew]

I watch the official stream first, then watch couple of the unofficial streams for the actual flight and after.

Ignoring the before T-0 parts.

Unstable control algorithm in the booster it seemed.

For the grid fins.

Overcorrection caused rolling back and forth, and booster engines didn't reignite, possibly because the excessive roll caused fuel sloshing.

[languid gulch]

oh it looked like the booster's engines relit, just not in time. maybe that was the booster blowing up in the last frames tho

i found it weird that they didn't do an entry burn

i kept waiting for one at like 55km

then 40km passed & i was like "oh no"

[twin dew]

That is for heat management purposes.
More fuel economical not to do it.

[twin dew]

Only 1 of 13 relit.
And the back and forth shaking would have caused fuel flow problems.

[languid gulch]

yea true. still have quite a lot to figure out

i'm still dumbfounded that nobody is even trying to compete with them

[twin dew]

Just tuning of the control algorithm for the grid fins.
Just wrong response profile causing overcorrecting.

[languid gulch]

almost like a pilot-induced oscillation

[twin dew]

Same cause, controls being "late".
Happens with any automated control when the tuning is too aggressive.

[languid gulch]

still impressed with all of it

[twin dew]

And IIRC they had similar issue with one of the early Falcon 9 landings, and had fixed it for next one.

And then iterated to get it even better from that.

Just needed the actual data to see how the system worked IRL.

[languid gulch]

also the wind looked NUTS before launch, i wonder if it ran into shear

[twin dew]

What started the problem is immaterial, the control system caused it to get worse by overcorrecting.

Multiple times, each time to worse state.

[languid gulch]

at least they're learning

[night girder]

expensive learning 😉

[twin dew]

Less expensive than the other option probably.
Next just need to get the in space engine relights working and they can start putting Starlinks up on the test flights.

[night girder]

Still, a lot of money. That could have been used for other purposes. I love space and science but that doesn't mean I am not skeptical about how much money is "wasted" in the name of space exploration.

https://tenor.com/view/sta-man-tesla-space-gif-11017556

👆 I think this is the most extreme example. Not even scientific really.

[twin dew]

They needed some mass simulator for the Falcon Heavy test anyways, so little extra was used for that.

SpaceX did ask around if someone had real payload they wanted to be on the flight for free.

So the price difference for sending that Tesla was whatever setting it up cost over compared to just some lump of metal.

And the PR effect was huge.

[night girder]

yeah, sure they have an explenation for it.

meanwhile people still die to diseases 😂

because of "not enough money to research it"

[twin dew]

That the test flight was to happen was a fact.
And it did need some mass in the upper stage payload area to work.

First Dragon flight had wheel of cheese IIRC.

[night girder]

sure

how much do these test flights cost?

[twin dew]

They were made to be able to carry real payloads later?
As no-one wants to fly on untested rocket.

And if SpaceX didn't have Falcon 9 and Falcon 9 Heavy, the payloads would be flying on much more expensive rockets instead.

[night girder]

Elon Musk stated in April 2023 that SpaceX expected to spend about $2 billion on Starship development in 2023.

[charred pewter]

no ... its not 'not enough money to research it'... its "there is no profits in a cure"

better to find snake oils to hide an issue for life, charging them for the drug every month... than a one time cure to the problem

its why "things built to last" has gone the way of the dodo as well ... its more lucrative to "build things which only last 1 year"

[night girder]

space isn't profitable yet (afaik)

[maiden coyote]

I mean the richie rich would love to live forever and never get sick. some problems can't be solved no matter how much money you throw at it.

[charred pewter]

im pretty sure there is a cure to cancer 😉

[maiden coyote]

nano machines?

[charred pewter]

but a cure would cost the medical industry BILLIONS in yearly revenue

so the only people working on a cure, are the true hearted scientists who are working off pennies and grants to come up with something in what amounts to a 'basement lab'

[maiden coyote]

cancer is corrupted dna that's damaged in a way that the cell doesn't self destruct and continues to divide.. since it's your cells, your body's immune system won't fight it.

so.. cut and slice and radiation it is

[night girder]

there is no such thing as one type of cancer. They have cures for some types of cancer. But not for the more obscure ones.

[charred pewter]

reatomization machines 🙂

there is no technology humans can ultimately make... saying 'its impossible' is just a short sighted blindness (which can be cured too)

"in my lifetime" however is a valid point

NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN in my lifetime...

[maiden coyote]

diesese.. viruses, bacteria and fungi.. they have vaccines that train your immune system to fight it.. or chemicals that don't hurt you, but are posion to the targeted organism.

but cancer and cells that get old and die.. that's a problem that doesn't care how much money you have to spend.

or time for research.

[maiden coyote]

satellite tv, and internet.

[night girder]

cancer is where the natural regrowth of cells goes beserk. And cells keep reproducing (until they form a tumor)

[night girder]

that has nothing to do with the launch of today afaik.

[maiden coyote]

so nanomachines that can identify the rouge cells, and kill them.

[night girder]

I have nothign against james Webb telescope for example. They do good work.

[maiden coyote]

I know, I think musk had a pretty good launch. no boom. he lost the resusable first stage i think?

[night girder]

I am just a little bit less enthiusiastic when it's spaceX doing the stuff.

[twin dew]

Neither was supposed to survive this test.
Were hoping to make "soft water landing" to simulate real soft landing.

[night girder]

Did you know we already have a database of garbage in our orbit, to keep track of it? All things to consider when doing these types of things/tests.

[maiden coyote]

Yeah. someone should take care of that before it becomes a problem.

[twin dew]

So we would just forget about space and orbit totally?
Get rid of all rockets and satellites?

[night girder]

But, keep spending billions to polute our space. For what? To colonize mars or make tourist trips to the moon.

[night girder]

👆 That's my answer Baldur 🙂

The end needs to justify the means.

130 million space debris objects larger 1 millimeter.

And they have to track these since they can cause major damage to satellites. I think there are a few instances they had to adjust trajectory of a satellite to evade space debris to avoid damage.

[twin dew]

And you can thank few stupid non-US made ASAT tests for large part of the dangerous long-life stuff.

And then there is one very old US test to create radio reflector with "nails" from 70s(?).

[sand saddle]

Still need a rocket to deliver those payloads

And saying fuck development, use the shit we have imo is the wrong way to go about this

[twin dew]

And Webb would have been so much cheaper if Falcon Heavy had been available when it was designed.

[sand saddle]

Starship's internal volume being bigger than ISS's pressurized volume is quite wild to me

More volume and higher payload mass will allow for more functional stuff in orbit like the James Webb

[jagged snow]

Yup
And I'm really glad that blue origin looks like it's at least getting somewhere with new glenn so there's some competition for the ultra heavy launch sector

Because as it stands, falcon 9 dominates in terms of cost/kg even with the massive margins they're making

[twin dew]

Even reliable not reusable Superheavy+Starship would make some things possible.
If they can make the booster reusable, that would lot of things possible.
And if they then can also make Starship reusable, even at same level as Falcon 9 boosters are, then it would be ground breaking.

[jagged snow]

I'm honestly semi-expecting to see ship reusability before booster

But yeah, the ability to potentially get well under 1000/kg withing the next decade is truly groundbreaking

[twin dew]

I would expect them to have mostly fixed the overcorrecting control software for next flight.

[jagged snow]

As would I

[twin dew]

Which fucked up the engine relighting.

[jagged snow]

Seemed like there was some tuning to be done on both ship and booster

Although it didn't seem to me that the oscillation of the booster when it was aiming for splashdown would've been enough to interrupt fuel supply so badly that only one engine could light, that is the most plausible explanation right now

[twin dew]

Gigantic tank, very little fuel left, and complex manifold that needs stable input to the complex engines.

So sloshing will just starve the engines.

[jagged snow]

Yeah
Depending on their baffle layout, oscillation on that axis might not have introduced fuel starvation issues though

[twin dew]

That was happened on the last flight for the booster, it got slowed too fast by the backpressure from the Starship engines and the booster engines starved.

[tough owl]

www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/tim-sweeney-emailed-gabe-newell-calling-valve-you-assholes-over-steam-policies-to-which-valves-coo-simply-replied-you-mad-bro/

[jagged snow]

They haven't clarified what the baffling changes they made after ift2 were

[jagged snow]

it was more due to the partial roll onto its side which put it side-on at high speed than the reactive force from hot staging

[maiden coyote]

my house has an attached addition and I need to get cat 5 run between them for a wap and cameras and I'm kind of stumped. the attic between the additions is not accessible at all. I can't even get close to the addition from the main attic. so my only options are to rip out the soffits on the exterior and run it there, which is not ideal.. or bury ~100' of conduit in a yard full of tree roots, and possibly water pipes.

[jagged snow]

Can you go through a crawl space, or is it frame on slab?

[maiden coyote]

I could run conduit on the outside just under the soffits too, and that would probably be easiest, and look trashy.

it's on a slab

[edgy hazel]

oh wait nvm american house?

[jagged snow]

Yes

[jagged snow]

They're usually really easy to run cable in, but additions suck

[maiden coyote]

like European houses are better with additions.

the issue is how they did the addition.

[jagged snow]

I had the same problem when I helped my parents do a couple runs, ended up having to go up into the attic for the addition, drop down through the wall between the addition and the original house, carve out a very small portion of the foundation to get it into the crawl space under the old house, then run back up through a wall after going through the section of a floor without a crawlspace

[maiden coyote]

thats the addition facing the house.. I have no idea where they got that air duct coming from

above that is roof rafters and roof.

[sand saddle]

Lmao what?

[tough owl]

3 words of power

[maiden coyote]

I don't really want to have to tear shit out, because that's more I'll have to fix

[sand saddle]

And this has been confirmed to not be fake?

[twin dew]

From court filings AFAIK.

[tough owl]

Yea

[winged valley]

CC'ing Gabe Newell on a message to apple bc they charge too much is wild

Bc valve does the same thing

[twin dew]

Back when Steam was started, the 30% cut was significant improvement from alternatives.

[winged valley]

There's a reason valve has so much money they don't care about releasing HL3 lol

I know they say its bc of fan expectations and whatnot but lets be real if Valve ever DID enter financial hell they'd probably cash in on that hype

[charred pewter]

right place, right time, is all. if epic were there instead of valve at that time, it would be the other way around

[jagged snow]

14900ks soft launch

6.2ghz boost

320w base tdp

[gilded helm]

I wonder if ATX 4.0 will require a 20A circuit in the USA. 🙃

[jagged snow]

Doubt it

[tough owl]

you know how funny thatd be

[jagged snow]

Most stuff built since the 90s is on 20a circuits though

[tough owl]

it might be 20a but has it been tested for 20a and hasnt degraded over time?

[gilded helm]

Built properly. Plumbing was a bigger issue this winter. There was a suburban neighborhood full of cookie cutter houses this winter that found that out.

[jagged snow]

Home wiring doesn't significantly degrade, except for receptacles

And as for testing, sorta

[tough owl]

i mean the circuit your microwave is on should hold up to 20a

[jagged snow]

Eh, not nececarily

1200w is the most common size in the states

But for that reason, most kitchen circuits are 20a(14awg)

[gilded helm]

Though I guess the way corners are cut is that they wire way too many things to a single circuit anyway. So oopsie daisy when someone a few rooms over uses a hair dryer.

[tough owl]

everything in my dorm is electric, theres no natural gas. I wonder how much the electric oven/stovetop pulls

[jagged snow]

The biggest danger is with shoddy connections because of poor workmanship or cheap wire nuts

[jagged snow]

Those are usually on a 220v circuit, and pull several kw

[tough owl]

I could pull the stove out to check but i cba

[gilded helm]

Stove and oven are almost certainly 220v 60a

[tough owl]

also keep in mind theres 24 of them in my entire dorm

[jagged snow]

Yeah

[tough owl]

oh also idk if this is a bad thing but I have an electric steamer to steam my clothes and once you turn it on the lights flicker in my room for a split second 🙃

[jagged snow]

Not really

That's fairly typical with high current appliances

[gilded helm]

If that were a big deal, power strips full of hair dryers would be more of a prank thing

[tough owl]

ah, either way my pc is filtered by a ups because I dont trust them to give clean power

[maiden coyote]

Your pc's psu handles all of the filtering anyway

[tough owl]

Most of the time

I don’t trust it that much given it’s a rebranded nxzt one

[night girder]

Just got home after 2 hours of troubleshooting DS4Windows 😭

[sand saddle]

Most PSUs are rebranded

Corsair doesn't make shit

[night girder]

Xbox 360 controllers + Windows PC = fits like a glove works out of the box.

PS4 controller + Windows PC = hell, nothing works, or stuff works that shouldn't work.

[sand saddle]

My friend said that PS5 controllers should work well

[night girder]

Oh, maybe I should give my niece a PS5 controller then.

[jagged snow]

Yeah, from what I've seen the ps5 controller is a pretty smooth experience

[night girder]

Also with DS4windows? Or does PS5 controller work out of the box with windows 10?

[sand saddle]

I haven't looked into it, from how he described it, it should work out of the box.

[jagged snow]

It should work out of the box, although I think there are a few friction points

[tough owl]

Ds4/5 both have Linux kernel drivers 🙂

[jagged snow]

Why are americans so bad at roundabouts?

I just watched two people go the wrong way around one

[tough owl]

I love roundabouts

So much better than waiting at an intersection that gets minimal traffic

[jagged snow]

Yeah, they would be nice

[night girder]

How do you go the wrong way?

[jagged snow]

Really not entirely sure

[maiden coyote]

Easy enough

[night girder]

And it's sounds scary as hell 😒

[jagged snow]

Through sheer stupidity I'd wager

[night girder]

imagine going the right way on a roundabout and you have a ghost rider (someone opposite, driving towards you).

[jagged snow]

I've only seen it happen once or twice
Much less common than people running red lights

[maiden coyote]

I like red lights, stop signs, and idiots

Keeps me busy during the day

[night girder]

I cannot generalize the USA ofc, but I've seen some clips where the cops were really firm with the laws. They uphold them strictly. The case was a stop sign. And a driver didn't fully stop, his car was moving at 1-3 miles an hour. He got a fine because of that. I was impressed.

So his foot was off the gas pedal, but strictly, the car wasn't fully stopped

[jagged snow]

Yeah, that tends to happen a lot
really the issue is just that there are some people that have been lucky enough to avoid the police so they think they'll never get in trouble

[jagged snow]

I tend to find that fairly frustrating

[maiden coyote]

That's just stupid tbh.

[jagged snow]

My mother was ticketed $100 for a very slight rollthrough at a stopsign at 6am when there was nobody else on the road

[maiden coyote]

That's a useless cop filling his ticket quota without actually making the road safer

[jagged snow]

Yup
I don't feel like I've ever been unfairly pulled over, but there are definitely some people that should get pulled over and don't and people that do get in trouble that shouldn't

[maiden coyote]

Go hide somewhere and wait for someone going 20 over the limit..

[night girder]

That's the word I was looking for, "rollthrough" 😄

Afaik, I never heard of fines in my country for that. But if you ghost ride. They can and will hunt you down 😂

[jagged snow]

Yeah, they'll chase you down here if somebody reports you for it

[night girder]

To say it with my own words, our police has different priorities (rollthrough, not important, all the rest verry important).

[maiden coyote]

This was awhile back.. speeding through the fog. Blew through a t intersection and went into the woods... I didn't see the driver with a ticket in hand..

[night girder]

We have camera's all over our roads. It's impossible to not be caught on one. It's what we call our "anti-terrorism camera network".

but it's mostly used on us citizens 😂

[jagged snow]

We don't
And people would probably riot
There are cameras on traffic lights in cities, but that's about it

[jagged snow]

Oh geez

[jagged snow]

Why's that?

oh wait nvm

[maiden coyote]

Yup

[jagged snow]

I thought you meant US citizens

[night girder]

I don't know. But I remember when they rolled out the network, the argument was "terrorism" and now the camera's are used to give us speeding tickets etc.

[maiden coyote]

It's for our protection

[jagged snow]

Not you the citizens of belgium

[jagged snow]

That's almost exactly what happened with the patriot act in the US

[night girder]

Oh, yes, I can only speak about my own country.

[maiden coyote]

They protect our children... for security

[jagged snow]

Argument was that it would stop terrorism and now it allows them to covertly surveil us

[maiden coyote]

Meanwhile I'm planning on having like 12 unifi cameras on my house lol

My poor wallet..

[jagged snow]

Oh wow

That's pricey

[night girder]

Next step is technology that can disrupt/distort camera's.

[maiden coyote]

They're good though

Really good

[jagged snow]

It already exists, problem is that using it is a felony

[night girder]

But AFAIK, such technology only exists in movies.

[night girder]

Distorting? Or you mean an EMP? 😄

[jagged snow]

Wireless jamming for wireless cameras, or there are some systems that are commercially avaliable that can shine a laser at the camera sensor

[maiden coyote]

They're poe. No wireless jamming

Lasers or overpowering the ir night vision by wearing a bunch of ir leds.. well that works on any camera

[jagged snow]

Yeah, this wasn't referring specifically to your system

[night girder]

I don't remember where I saw it. A movie or maybe a game, and they had technology that the faces just got distorted when viewed on the camera's. Wired or wireless.

[maiden coyote]

Man, that's not the one I wanted

[jagged snow]

Oh, something like that will probably come eventually

Or you can just wear the vision pro

[jagged snow]

Theoretically, you'd just need to shine a really bright ir light on your face

What is going on there?

[maiden coyote]

That'll hide who you are and what you're doing. My old camera could be overpowered by just wearing hivise clothing

Clearly I'm not posting the right one ._.

[night girder]

All I see is an "old" man walking by 😄. Was that you? 🤣

[jagged snow]

I think that's the same one as before

[jagged snow]

That'd be frigid

[maiden coyote]

There lol

[jagged snow]

Ahhhh

[maiden coyote]

This is how we drive in the us

[night girder]

I am so confused.

WTF 👀

[jagged snow]

I've never seen something like that in person, but it happens a lot

[night girder]

Who ever is driving the white car, shouldn't have a license. Sorry.

Is "maneuver" a english word btw? google says it is, but I doubt it.

[jagged snow]

Yeah, it is

[maiden coyote]

They shouldn't. You don't back down a road because you miss your turn lol

[night girder]

Anyway, for every "maneuver" we do, we have to check our mirrors. Always.

[jagged snow]

Yeah, that's terrible

[tough owl]

this is some country driving if ive ever seen it

[jagged snow]

We are taught to do so as well

[night girder]

If they just checked their mirrors, they would have seen someone is behind them.

[maiden coyote]

Not when there's a big ass parking lot right there to turn around it

[night girder]

I mean, mistakes do happen. But I check the mirror without thinking about it. It's drilled into me 😂

[jagged snow]

The black car also laid on the horn with plenty of time for the other driver to stop backing up

[night girder]

The black car regrets for stopping 😂

[tough owl]

if youre gonna do something dumb do it in a company car and say it was an accident

but thats not legal advice dont take it as such

[jagged snow]

Yeah
The only time I've ever hit another car was shortly after I got my license and somebody backed behind me while I was reversing

[tough owl]

ive gone through a fence before

[night girder]

I got hit in the back, while standing in front of a red light 😂

[maiden coyote]

I've hit quite a few things

[night girder]

the other driver didn't see my car OR the red light.

[jagged snow]

I've had two good friends get rear-ended at a red light now

[night girder]

breaklights on and everything.

[maiden coyote]

I've taken out a door, a bumper... a pole..

And a driveway lol

[night girder]

It's a scary experience tbh, because it's the place where I least expected to get hit.

[tough owl]

in a school vehicle on school property, that was fun to deal with

[night girder]

You just chilling and waiting for a green light and suddenly BAM.

[jagged snow]

Yeah, that sucks
I have had to dodge careless drivers on occasion, but never had a collision with another vehicle except at extremely low speed

[maiden coyote]

Yeah, red lights are bad