off-topic-tech

[jagged snow]

And whent he very expensive proprietary software that I need doesn't support linux I don't really have an option

As much as I wish that I could switch to linux and de-microsoft myself too, that's really not as possible yet

And IMO MS is still the lesser of two evils when compared to Google

[tough owl]

For now

[jagged snow]

For now

And Linux is darn close to being all the way to where it needs to be for me to switch

However, WSL is still a much cleaner solution than anything avaliable to run my windows apps on Linux

[jagged snow]

They do scare me a little with all of their "ai" products

[twin dew]

Someone high in the leadership got AI Hype Bug.

[jagged snow]

I'm guessing it's the man Nadella himself

[tough owl]

https://tenor.com/view/billion-mister-krabs-spongebob-money-gif-4931177

[twin dew]

I really need to bother to tune the fan curve stuff...
Running somewhat bursty workload right now and the fans kept pulsing as the response time is too fast and the fan curve too aggressive.

Fortunately not audible once I put the music on.

[languid gulch]

i think AI might actually be scary enough to get a DMCA replacement going

[night girder]

Oh ffs. Microsoft at it again.

Well done Microsoft. 👏 Really good job.

[twin dew]

Wrong setting.
Those are obsolete.

Moment.

[night girder]

Man, I've been at it for an hour already.

[twin dew]

This one

[night girder]

Can't get that studpid bing gone. And suddenly windows is searching web, while I disabled that for sure.

[night girder]

that's the same one as me. Look at my screenshot again?

[twin dew]

Ah, you had that too. Sorry...

[night girder]

Yeah, that's what confusing me.

I keep reading that the only way now is regedit 😒

[twin dew]

Works for me, when I applied it and relogged.
You need to remember that the machine GPO settings only take effect on reboot, relogin or killing and restarting the specific program.

[night girder]

I reloged ofc. (full PC restart even).

doesn't work 🤷‍♂️

Just a heads up for you. Might that in a few days/weeks, it will not work for you either.

[twin dew]

Weird, because works for me.
It had either reset for me or I hadn't forgotten to implement on the new computer.
And had to do it yesterday. Works for the moment.

[mental oriole]

I am unable to disable co-pilot using the same settings panel 😉 idk if a restart is required, but since there is no info I assume no.

[twin dew]

Ah, I also have Copilot disabled.

[night girder]

Ofc we cannot disable it.

Microsoft doesn't like us to have control over our machines. That we paid for.

[twin dew]

That Co-Pilot disable is only under the Per user GPO.

[night girder]

it doesn't work

[twin dew]

And like I said, I just applied it to the Win11 machine few days ago.
Working on both of them running right now.

[night girder]

all good

and I tell you, it doesn't work on this machine.

Baldur, can you check something for me?

Do you have a BingSearchEnabled key in HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Search set to 0?

Because that one works out of the box for me. Better than GPO.

[twin dew]

Don't have such entry.

[night girder]

Weird.

[twin dew]

As in the BingSearchEnabled

[night girder]

Yeah, I just added BingSearchEnabled 0 to HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Search and it's gone.

and now it also stopped searching on the web like I asked it.

And you just said you did clean install so, might that the updates messed something up.

[night girder]

Add the key I talked about

And it should be gone. I deleted all the GPO entries since they did jack shit and restarted PC.

It's still gone.

I don't get it, why is my GPO being ignored.

"Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Windows Copilot > Turn off Windows Copilot" this disabled co-pilot on the taskbar. Not the menu it seems.

Baldur, do you have this? "SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsCopilot"

[twin dew]

You left the start off.

But for user it is there, as that is probably what the GPO sets.

the "Policies" part

[night girder]

So, if you add Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Windows Copilot > Turn off Windows Copilot, a registry should be made under "SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsCopilot" but that's not happening for me.

[night girder]

Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE

[twin dew]

Not under machine, just under Local_user, as that is where in GPO I have the Copilot disable set.

[night girder]

yes, in GPO. I am talking registry.

[twin dew]

And GPO changes the registry through policy files.

[night girder]

but that's not happening 😒

GPO changes under "Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Windows Copilot > Turn off Windows Copilot" should lead to changes inm REGISTRY under "SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsCopilot"..

[twin dew]

So I have set GPO to disable copilot in the user policy, and it has set the Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsCopilot\TurnOffWindowsCopilot

[night girder]

Thanks 👍

[twin dew]

Remember that that specific GP is there only on the user side, so it ends up in the HKEY_CURRENT_USER, not the LOCAL_MACHINE

[night girder]

let me check.

let me restart my PC real quick.

[twin dew]

So for the search disable I have:
Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Windows Search\ConnectedSearchUseWeb = 0

[night girder]

Ok, update: registry seems to pick up the GPO changes.

I just disabled co-pilot in GPO, checked registry and value was 0. Restarted PC, checked registry and now value is 1.

But, then it get's ignored by my OS since I still have it in my menu.

From microsoft: "... is policy setting allows you to turn off Copilot in Windows. If you enable this policy setting, users can't use Copilot in Windows and the icon doesn't appear on the taskbar either. "

[night girder]

Wow. Finally find the GPO value. And it's not what one would expect.

This one, removes bing + web searched in the menubar for me.

Why? I am not 100% sure. Probably breaks something underneath that Co-Pilot needs to function 🤷‍♂️

[twin dew]

<@&387163995947270144> @severe monolith has been trying to post links to several channels multiple times today.
And the username suggest it might be a bot.

Weird with the old user on the server tho.

[white kraken]

old user?

[twin dew]

Ah, was it end of last year only?

Just looked at the 2023 join.

[white kraken]

thats what you meant.
Sadly many old accounts are getting compromised as well

I had to ban some account which was over 6 years on the Raft server recently.

[dire igloo]

It's sad, usually it's people falling for phishing scams

The worst ones: "please verify your account by scanning this QR code with the 'scan QR code' functionality in your discord settings"

It's "exploiting" bad UI, because Discord doesn't tell you that this feature gives another device control over your account

[sterile plinth]

any suggestions for a good 75% keyboard?

or tkl

just a cheap one that works, nothing special. i have a g413 rn

but its so big that my mousepad has to be very far right

[dire igloo]

idk about Greece keyboard market

I'd suggest Keychron V1

[real grove]

What Gaming PC would you suggest for 3.500€

[jagged snow]

This one

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6BCvvj

If you want to go closer to your budget, let me know and I'll tweak some specs

It was built with US prices in mind but should still fall well within budget

[sterile plinth]

what about tkl?

[dire igloo]

Horrendously overpriced cooler
overkill RAM
Overpriced SSD
Awfully overpriced GPU
Case lacks proper fans
Overkill PSU
Overpriced keyboard
Mediocre mouse

[night girder]

What is going on lately with this discord server? So many bots 😒 And spammers.

Some discord communities force phone numbers to combat this. So you need to enter your phone number before you can post in there.

[dire igloo]

Doesn't matter if someone hijacks a verified account through phishing - which sadly is much more common than straight up bot accounts

[night girder]

huh?

The phonenumber linked to discord account doesn't matter (I think?)

[night girder]

I was thinking it was more of a 2FA mechanic. You join discord server, it asks for phonenumber, sends you code, you enter code, then you can post in that discord server.

I never bothered with it, because I find this protection overly agressive, and I don't want to share my number with discord. But I know it exists.

If someone account is hacked, then the person who got hacked will get codes send to their phone. So the hacker/bot can't post, since it doesn't know the code.

If you try to adjust the phonenumber to an online one, or throwaway, it also gets rejected.

[sterile plinth]

it is impossible to make a 3000$ pc without everything being overpriced

[dire igloo]

That's why bots don't join servers and just post in servers that were already joined by the user whose account they took over

[sterile plinth]

good value for money GPUs do not cost 1000$

[dire igloo]

parts are usually said to be overpriced when:

• there is a similar product available for cheaper that looks/performs the same
• it's way over its suggested Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP)/other similar products' retail price
• there are products that perform slightly (~0-8%) worse but at cheaper prices (depending on the part, $10-$200)

[dire igloo]

A 7900xtx costs around $900. This one is $1300.
A good air cooler can be had for $50. This one is $130.

That's what I mean by overpriced

Yes, the parts are expensive, but that's not the issue here.
The issue is the amount spent on stuff when you could get something similar for much less

[sterile plinth]

oh, you mean overpriced as in above MSRP

[night girder]

But this server doesn't have phone number requirement to begin with.

[sterile plinth]

i thought you meant value for money

[dire igloo]

copypasta
the more info you give the better

• when you'll be buying (lists become outdated quickly)
• country and total budget, peripherals included, in local currency
• what games will you be playing at what resolution?
• if you're using the PC for work, what software?
• functional requirements (encoder for streaming, Wifi, amount of storage, size)
• aesthetic preferences (AIO, color scheme, RGB/blackout)

[real grove]

3 weeks

[dire igloo]

No. I literally mean "you can get something similar for much less".

I mean value.

[real grove]

Germany, no peripherials

I mean i dont need peripiherials

[dire igloo]

Why planning a list early isn't recommended:
• Prices in your list can change over time.
• Prices for competing, alternative parts can go down, making your list more expensive or otherwise less ideal by comparison.
• Supply changes - your intended parts may run out of stock.
• New products may release that may be better than your initial choices, and could make your list less up-to-date.
• Confirmation bias - you may be more likely to stick to your first parts list, even if it's worse than another list made closer to the time you intend to purchase.
Come back when you are actually buying

[night girder]

As an example, the prices of 7800X3D for only this month:

[dire igloo]

Even better example: price of RM1000e in Germany over the last 60 days, excluding Amazon

[wanton orchid]

7800x3d sounds so freaking worth it now
how the hell is it only 400

[dire igloo]

2TB 980 Pro over 60 days

[dire igloo]

It was $299 at microcenter once

[wanton orchid]

had it for 145 offer at some point for a friend iirc
was a good buy

my friend got lucky on this

[dire igloo]

2TB 990 Pro was $99 at one point

You could get 2TB MP44L for $70 if I'm not mistaken

[wanton orchid]

what

no way 990 pro one hundred

[dire igloo]

USD yes

[wanton orchid]

it was refurbished or what
I'm talking euro

[dire igloo]

I'm talking USD because it was a US deal

The fuck was Gamestop smoking?

2tb 990 pro

[night girder]

Yeah, got me one. Not installed yet. Want to see what happens to this CPU first.

[stray badger]

1tb 980 was like 50usd not that long ago

[jagged snow]

This is a 3500e build man
The ssd is pricey but it's also one of the most reliable out there. Same goes for the PSU. The ram is pricey but I wouldn't dare spec less than that in a build over 3k
The gpu might be overpriced, I built this list a while ago
And the keyboard and mouse were specifically selected for the person I originally built this for

I gave that list as a starting point, not a "buy this now"

[dire igloo]

The SSD is overpriced as shit and has no business being this expensive.
PSU I didn't judge the price of, you just don't need 1kW with that kind of build, even 850W is plenty.
Rest of the points are acceptable knowing it's an outdated list

[dire igloo]

It's a list that doesn't deserve endorsement.
The required context of "this was made some time ago and needs to be reworked" was definitely missing

[jagged snow]

I specced that ssd because of all the component swaps we've been seeing so many component swaps on other models
So yeah, there's probably something that's a better deal

[dire igloo]

Nvm, $261 isn't awfully overpriced

Had old prices in mind. It's still not an ideal pick

[jagged snow]

I don't see any point in going under 1kw on a build like that though, especially if they decide to jump to a 4080s or something

[dire igloo]

Tbf, I have no idea how SM2264 ranks up

[dire igloo]

Not even a 4090 would saturate a good 850W unit

If it had a 14900K, sure. But not with a 100W 7800X3D

[dire igloo]

Current pick for me would be $220 4TB US75 probably

I miss $150 4TB P3 Plus, great value for a secondary drive

[sage pier]

@twin dew I heard you could help me with routers could you recommend me a more budget router? I was thinking something like this https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Integrated-Lightening-Protection-TL-R605/dp/B08QTXNWZ1?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1 since I don't need wifi

[twin dew]

That was what selected few months ago for my fathers fiber.
But it hasn't been deployed yet.

Needs beta-BIOS to have stateful firewall & NAT.
The latest "stable" still has only stateless firewall, that doesn't allow for NAT punchthrough etc.

[sage pier]

So what would you recommend around this price range?

[twin dew]

That, just that it needs the firmware from their forum.
Just trying to locate it again, they might have redone the pages.

[onyx sable]

#off-topic-media message
showed this to my technician and watched his head spin

[sage pier]

how tf

[onyx sable]

I know just as much as you do

[sand saddle]

Electrically speaking it works fine, fairly low powered devices so nothing should overheat.
From a safety standpoint... well... yeah...

[twin dew]

They have finally released new stable at end of January.

[sage pier]

how would I go about doing the firmware update just through the app or is there more than that?

[twin dew]

Ah, might have been that they only added IPv6 firewall capability in 2.2.2.

And 2.1 was where they added stateful IPv4 firewall.

[twin dew]

www.tp-link.com/en/support/download/er605/#Firmware

[sage pier]

so I'll have to upgrade to 2.2.3 then 2.2.4

[twin dew]

Probably straight to 2.2.4?
They just have older there available.
But there should be update instructions on those support pages.

[twin dew]

Ah, yeah, they state that for 2.2.4 you must be on 2.2.3.

[sage pier]

ok thanks I'll buy it now

[sharp oasis]

@twin dew my 5600 before I swap up to the 5800x is handling 1933/4000 stable. Yes I know its decoupled but if I go any higher the CPU hates it. And if I go any higher in ram speed I basically say goodbye to my operating system. So far in testing I'm still reaping benifits of faster ram wile the desynchronization of flck and ram is not that bad at 66mhz off

[twin dew]

How is the RAM latency?
That is what should go to shitter, not bandwidth.

[sharp oasis]

Ram latency is still in shitter even without desync. Passmark score scored it at 46 without and 47 with the desync

[sand saddle]

Use smth better than passmark

[sharp oasis]

Is there a better test I can use

[twin dew]

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/download/736633/intel-memory-latency-checker-intel-mlc.html

[sharp oasis]

Baller

Will give it a go here when I get home

I'm expecting to be shown completely abysmal latency penalty

[twin dew]

Maybe AMD has been able to get it better with current AGESAs even on the old hardware.

[sand saddle]

This claims to be highly unstable lol: https://github.com/ChipsandCheese/CnC_GUI
No UI: https://github.com/ChipsandCheese/Microbenchmarks

Oh, here: https://github.com/clamchowder/MicrobenchmarksGui

[twin dew]

That Intel is command line tool too.

But it is just "run once and get all the results", then that microbenchmark one is much more complex.

[sand saddle]

Should work for a simple comparison yeah

[sharp oasis]

I'll run a latency test with and without the overclocm

I wanna see if I can dial in timings a bit as its micron rev F

So it's half decent

Definitely not S8B but not bad

Tho 32gb is gonna make it slightly more difficult

[twin dew]

And the Intel doesn't just give one number, it tests across size and read-write balance too, just with fixed settings.

[sharp oasis]

But if I can get some tightened timings to mabey reduce the latency penalty might be kinda baller ngl

As the bandwith is kinda nice

For games that make use of it

So it could be as bad as 5% if I can close the gap as much as possible

In latency penalty

And I'm only off by 66mhz so its not too far off

I will see if I can get it lower

Will 1967mhz flck work

[visual tree]

"A Dutch man was fined 380 euros ($400) after an AI-powered camera caught him talking on his phone while driving. Only he claims he was only scratching his head and the system made a mistake." 🤣

[sharp oasis]

how do i use this?

[twin dew]

Extract, launch command prompt into the directory, run.

The separate prompt so that the window doesn't just close on completion.

[edgy hazel]

First priiiiiiint

[jagged snow]

Hey, nice

What did you get?

[edgy hazel]

ender v2 neo

I'm honestly kinda blown away. This is still on medium quality setting and took only an hour (with way too much support, I'm still learning lmao)

it's tinyyyy

[jagged snow]

Oh yeah

The ender lineup is still pretty good price to value

[edgy hazel]

it was like 230€

which is insane tbh

[jagged snow]

Yeah, it's a crazy affordable tech

And sla printing is also starting to get a lot cheaper

[charred pewter]

3d printer that prints in lead ....

ive got a 20lb box of 'lead figures' from my day as a kid 😄

was fun painting those.... mmm testors paints ... mmm .... maybe its why i am the way i am today .... mmm .... toxic smells ....

[edgy hazel]

I can't get over how small he is

[jagged snow]

Hmm, middle click is dying on my g403

[night girder]

Can you do the same print in "higher" quality to compare them?

Or is the file/render not high enough quality to print?

[edgy hazel]

it's at 0.2mm rn. I can go down to 0.12

but time scales linear here

and it's just to damn small. For normal minis this is more than enough

[night girder]

warhammer here I come 😂

always find those warhamer statues a bit pricy for me. And you have to paint em too. Pff. Rather 3d print em then 😂 (if I had printer)

Stuff like that

[charred pewter]

was fun back in the day, going to the hobby store and looking over all the cool lead figures .... deciding what to spend my meager allowance on ... some being insanely priced at like $20 !! ...

[night girder]

and I have shakey hands, so I cannot paint details 😂

[charred pewter]

these days yeah same ....

[night girder]

I would have an army of clowns.

And I think if you want to buy painted ones, they even more expensive.

[charred pewter]

i have bouts of 'steadiness', but not enough to sit down for long to paint a whole figure anymore

yeah, but then its like 'whats the fun?' ...... its like buying a puzzle already made 😄

[night girder]

no, it's a whole game 🙂

[charred pewter]

well, the warhammer stuff yeah ...

i never bought warhammer figures, wasnt into it

[night girder]

If you don't know, you roll dice, measure with a lint and that's your movement etc.

That's all I know about the game 😂

[charred pewter]

😄

what happens when you 'get there' 😄

[night girder]

but I know it's a full game, so painting statues is only one part of the story. For some it stops there (collectors). But some want costum armies to fight.

[charred pewter]

i had painted all the figures in a Feudal game set (bought a second of it just to paint all the figures)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feudal_(game)

[night girder]

Happy with the results?

[charred pewter]

back then yeah ... i'd prolly be more picky and scoff at my work these days though

"you didnt start with a base" ... "the shadowing is off" ... "where is the light metalic scuffwork?"

pondering where the boxed set is .... gotta be in one of my moving boxes i never unpacked in the basement

ive a pile of moving boxes i never unpacked (books mostly) because i dont have a built in bookshelf in this house, and never bought a free-standing bookshelf either

so like all my figures, collector toys, books, books, more books ... all still in boxes LOL

for that day i move into a house with built-ins again (or eventually finally break down and buy a bunch of freestanding shelves)

[vast tundra]

Yo what is a good beginner 3d printer for cheap

[jagged snow]

How cheap is cheap?

[vast tundra]

100-170

Looking for inexpensive to get into the hobby

[jagged snow]

Buy it used in that price range

[vast tundra]

What ones r good for beginners

[jagged snow]

Something with auto bed leveling, direct drive

Otherwise nothing in that price range will make a ton of difference

[vast tundra]

What r some good ones

[jagged snow]

Most all of them are good in at lesat one or two ways

Prusa has some good entry-level printers

And the ender-3 series has been a go-to for a long time

[vast tundra]

Could u send a link

[jagged snow]

Nope

[vast tundra]

Wait dosbt the ended 3 not have auto belt leveling

[jagged snow]

Some do, some don't

[vast tundra]

Oh

Is the base ender 3 a good one

[jagged snow]

Has quite a few issues

[vast tundra]

R there any better models

[jagged snow]

Any of the ender 3 variants are better than the base

[vast tundra]

So like the v2

Ya that looks good thanks for the help

[jagged snow]

I find this kind of thing so incredibly frustrating
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/02/hdmi-forum-to-amd-no-you-cant-make-an-open-source-hdmi-2-1-driver/
This is why we can't have nice things

[gilded helm]

EU killed the lightning port, do they have any way to go after HDMI?

[jagged snow]

Probably not

Since HDMI is a consortium

[gilded helm]

Why would that matter? Lightning didn't die because the EU went after Apple, they made USB-C mandatory on certain devices. And Apple chose to kill lightning on their own, rather than including lightning and USB-C on devices. If TVs were required to have USB-C alongside HDMI, I don't think that'd be nearly as devastating because TVs aren't as constrained by package size. But it'd sure be nice to have both on there.

[night girder]

Tbh, it's convenient to have one connection. You just need one type of cable. Console -> TV = HDMI. Console -> Monitor = HDMI. PC -> TV = HDMI. Laptop -> Monitor = HDMI. Makes it a lot easier.

[jagged snow]

I'd rather see it all go to display port

And I sincerely hope that the EU would never makes closed standard with licensing fees mandatory

[pure karma]

i dont think there will be a day where i can surpass 30fps in anything at this rate

32/32gb of ram ussage XD

I need MOOOORRREEEE

[sharp oasis]

@pure karma

The fuck is using all your ram

[pure karma]

oh you know its a little cpu intensive game called Beamng.drive

pinned out my 13700K

maxed out my 32Gb of ram

maxed out my 12gb of Vram

and thats about it gpu dident really care other than vram because nothing else was keeping up

i am genuenly considering geting a 64gb or 128gb kit of ram to swap in whenever stuff like this happens

[round ferry]

Why stop there? Can go to 256gb now with most newer motherboards.

[sharp oasis]

sy goodbye to spedd lol

say

[pure karma]

speed dosent mean shit is what i have learned

speed only makes things worst

[twin dew]

24Gb DDR5 Hynix-A die is the fastest there currently is.
So you can get 2x48GB 2Rx8 with two DIMMs that are faster than most 2x16GB 1Rx8.

[twin dew]

My RAM settings are currently on stock 4800MT/s JEDEC all-auto, so the results are shit.
But as example what Intel MLC tests:

And I was running various browser instances etc. at same time.

Which caused the latency bump at the last of the delay-latency-bandwidth measurements from other things going on.

If you have multi-CCX AMD CPU, you can in BIOS enable for the system to show each CCX as separate NUMA node, and then it will even show the cross-CCX communication caused differences.

[sharp oasis]

Right he's Intel

I was thinking ryzen for a sec

Ryzen begins to hate more dense ram

Past 32gb

From 6400 to 6000 AFAIK.

And past that expect ddr4 speeds

[twin dew]

And going to 6400 on AM5 is shitshow anyways and not really worth it.

[sharp oasis]

Latest agesa had made it a sweetspot

For 32gb

64gb is no

[twin dew]

Even with NITRO training it is not just set and go.
And needs higher VSOC, which limits FCLK.

Set and go for all.

[languid gulch]

is there an mATX case that does 2x140mm front fans?

[languid gulch]

nvm found a decent one that i hate to admit 🤣

[dire igloo]

@mint sable this is dope as shit
#satisfactory-memes message

[languid gulch]

someone check my work to see if this is a reasonable build for a "non-gaming but still respectable for streaming/zoom/living room tv" pc

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vNNzRK

already got a 6600XT & SSD waiting for it

[rotund hamlet]

you don't need that much RAM for that

[languid gulch]

shave off $30 for the 16gb?

[rotund hamlet]

you could probably get away with 8 or 12 GB tbh if you're just using it for non intensive stuff

[languid gulch]

yea true

k, down to $486

[twin dew]

And why 5600X and not 5600?

[languid gulch]

seemed like a better pairing with the 6600XT if gaming does happen

[twin dew]

Just tiny bit of frequency difference.

[languid gulch]

true

k, $466

[rotund hamlet]

is gaming meant to be possible?

[languid gulch]

possible but unlikely

more because of the free gpu than anything else

well, "free"

it'll probably live its life as a "the UI on this tv sucks ass for streaming services, pc will make life a fuckton easier" pc

[rotund hamlet]

16 GB then, might want to use a 5600X3D but that's more expensive

[languid gulch]

5600X3D is microcenter only

[rotund hamlet]

ah

[languid gulch]

which is about 600km from me

i am tempted to grab a 5700X or 5800X for myself & transplant the 5600X

[rotund hamlet]

could also go for a 3000 series for cost

[languid gulch]

i didn't wanna go that old 🤣

[rotund hamlet]

if you have a 56X you want to transfer then an upgrade is probably your best option

can definitely trim the PSU and case too... doesn't have to be all fancy and a 450-500 W is probably fine

[languid gulch]

figured i could go a bit overboard with that for future upgrading

in case things change

[rotund hamlet]

true, but are you likely to upgrade this?

[languid gulch]

no idea

but i'd rather pay $90 now for decent than $75 twice for crap

[rotund hamlet]

understandable

[languid gulch]

plus it'd be less strain on it long term

& the case includes 2x140mm & 1x120mm rear

which i'd have to hunt down for basically any other case

plus it looks pretty, which will 100% be required for sitting out in a living room

[dire igloo]

Doubt you even need the 5600 vs a 5500
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/p7TMgB

[twin dew]

Just that 5500 is APU with IGP disabled.

Same for 5700.

[languid gulch]

yea i remember those not reviewing well

[twin dew]

So for this use it doesn't matter.
But for any gaming it causes significant difference from the L3 cache difference.

[dire igloo]

Then get either UD750GM or MSI A750GL

[languid gulch]

yea, i don't wanna hamstring it too much. i want it to be in the "it can game, but you don't need to" territory, not "well, the gpu can game, but the cpu is half crap"

[dire igloo]

It's a 5600G in terms of performance and for $50 saved, well worth it in this usecase

But yeah, 5600 if you actually want to prioritize gaming

[languid gulch]

5500 with a 6600XT feels wrong 🤣

[dire igloo]

But for a streaming/zoom/living room PC, absolutely no point in going 5600

[twin dew]

Or just 5600G without dGPU?

[dire igloo]

It's already owned and living room gaming does seem to be a usecase

[twin dew]

From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mO4op3bL90

[languid gulch]

hoooo

[twin dew]

5600 should be few percents below the 5600X

[languid gulch]

closer to the 5600X than the 5600G tho

[dire igloo]

I love the debate on whether or not cache reliant titles should be included in reviewer suites for average performance across multiple titles

[dire igloo]

Much much closer, I'd say within 5%

[twin dew]

IIRC 2-3% slower on average.

[languid gulch]

iirc golden sampl 5600 matches a 5600X

[dire igloo]

Depending on benchmark, yeah

[dire igloo]

5600X is a golden sample 5600

[languid gulch]

🤣

& from what i remember a 5500 is more like a 3600X

[dire igloo]

Ehhhh

[twin dew]

Well, depends if you use PBO or not on the 5600.
As stock it is power limited, with PBO set to same limits as 5600X most of the difference disappears and you are left with just the frequency difference.

[dire igloo]

It's a bit better, 6 core CCD iirc vs the 3600X's 3+3

[languid gulch]

ah, no infinity fabric?

[twin dew]

IF is there, but Zen 2 has 4 cores per CCX, with two CCX in CCD.
Zen 3 has 8 cores per CCX, with one CCX per CCD.

[languid gulch]

i feel safest dropping to a 5600, 5500 or 3rd gen feels like it's going a bit too stingey

[twin dew]

And cross-CCX communication goes through the IOD.
So talk from core 0 to core 4 needs to go through the IF twice.

On 3000-series.

[languid gulch]

this is for a family member's bday, & i already feel kinda bad throwing in a mildly used gpu & SSD

[dire igloo]

Depends on your use case priorities ultimately

Save $50 because you don't need performance or spend them in case you do

[dire igloo]

GPU I don't see an issue with, SSD has a big question mark tho

[languid gulch]

was one of my spare drives, think it has like 80 hours on it

samsung "non-brain-farty" one

[dire igloo]

There's also a dope microcenter bundle with 12600K, iirc it's not available to you, right?

[languid gulch]

yea not burning the gas to drive to CA

[dire igloo]

Which one is the brain-farty one? 980 non-Pro?

[languid gulch]

the nvme one, yea

this is a 970 2.5" i think

[dire igloo]

Should be good, lemme check

[twin dew]

9#0 is NVMe, 8#0 is SATA.

870 is QLC.

[dire igloo]

Yeah, noticed that too rn

[languid gulch]

yea brain fart, 860

[dire igloo]

QVO is, Evo isn't

[twin dew]

Ah, they had also 870 EVO, not just 870 QVO.

[languid gulch]

not amazing but better than spinning rust

[dire igloo]

Evo, pro, QVO?

[languid gulch]

et tu brute

[dire igloo]

Good, great, meh

[languid gulch]

i figured it's plenty safe & stable as a main drive on a low-midrange pc

[dire igloo]

What would you consider the capacity at which QLC becomes tolerable?
I tend to consider it at 4TB if the price against the TLC competition is low (like $150 P3 Plus), but 2TB is too much of a risk.

[dire igloo]

Evo and Pro yeah. QVO no

[twin dew]

Fine for read-focused storage type.

Not fine for OS drive with lot of small writes.

[languid gulch]

860EVO just double checked

1tb

[twin dew]

So completely fine.

[dire igloo]

Absolutely

It's a good drive

[languid gulch]

& my gpu is best in model & wasn't heavily used, just long enough to know it wasn't enough for my new monitor

6600XT red devil

[dire igloo]

Looping back to the CPU question: if you want to put a heavy focus on gaming, 12600KF at $180 is also a great option

[languid gulch]

the intel board prices are just fucking nuts

[dire igloo]

Great card, don't be ashamed to hand it over

[dire igloo]

$150 Z690 PG Velocita

[languid gulch]

B550s are like $110

i looked at LGA1700 & it went from a $500 to a $700 system

[dire igloo]

$125 Z690 PG Riptide for DDR4

[languid gulch]

also 65W cpu to like 175W 🤣

[dire igloo]

Shouldn't be that big of a jump with proper budget allocation, more like $100 - or less if you get a lower-ish end PSU like the A650BN

[dire igloo]

Intel idle draw beats AMD by a longshot tho

5W vs 20W+ iirc

Also, higher performance

12400F performs like a 5600 in gaming.
12600KF comes closer to 7600

[twin dew]

Well, the APUs can do low idle too.
It is the IOD and IF being active at all times on the multi-die CPUs that raise the minimum idle significantly.

[languid gulch]

is LGA1700 officially a dead platform now?

15th gen is gonna be on a new socket?

[twin dew]

Yes

[languid gulch]

k

[dire igloo]

Not quite as dead as AM4 (as in there hasn't been a successor yet), but yes

Limit for AM4: 5800X3D/5950X
Limit for LGA1700: 14900K

[languid gulch]

ah

another pain in the ass

i want the board to have onboard wifi

could always add in a wifi card later if it dies, but i'd prefer not to have to start out like that

1 less cable to have to snake halfway around a house

[dire igloo]

Ironically, the best value wifi board for lga1700 ddr4 is an ITX one

[languid gulch]

i saw that

[dire igloo]

Also, PG Velocita if you go DDR5

Great board. Great price

[languid gulch]

if the case is gonna be able to handle a full fat ATX, i figured i might as well go with that

[dire igloo]

For AM4, I'd pick either the board you had or a B550 UD AC

[dire igloo]

No point unless for aesthetics

Could also do smth like Air 100 ARGB if you go mATX

[languid gulch]

also an ITX board ain't gonna have room for a wifi card or any other expansions if needed

[dire igloo]

It has a 2230 E-key slot for a wifi card

But yeah, no other pcie expansion

[languid gulch]

plus i have big fat man hands & working with a tiny board scares me

[dire igloo]

Eh, it's just a mainboard

Oh. That reminds me: what about cooling?

[languid gulch]

just trying to snake the front panel i/o can be interesting

i was thinking stock or a assassin 120SE

it'll fit in the O11 mini

with 15mm to spare

[dire igloo]

Peerless? Assassin X?

Stock is fine for AM4 but loud and absolutely insufficient for lga1700

[languid gulch]

can see my dilemma

[dire igloo]

Not a fan of that case personally, mainly due to price.
Also feels kinda generic

[languid gulch]

yea but 3 stock fans included

[dire igloo]

Btw, I absolutely love Burst Assassin

[dire igloo]

Can get that on a $60 Pop Air too

Also, fans are cheap

Not as in the O11 Air Mini has cheap fans but as in adding fans yourself isn't expensive

[languid gulch]

yea but i'd go for expensive fans 🤣

plus i have no idea if they want RGB unicorn rainbow vomit or not

[dire igloo]

Give them TL-S12.
Nice if they want RGB, sleek and black if they don't. $15 for a threepack

Or Montech Sky Two

[languid gulch]

yea pop air doesn't come with fans for $60

[dire igloo]

White one has three RGB fans

[languid gulch]

got a link cuz their site says $111

[dire igloo]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3nD7YJ/fractal-design-pop-air-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-c-por1a-01

This has black fans
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QnD7YJ/fractal-design-pop-air-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-c-poa1a-02

Makes me wonder: is there even a fanless pop air?

[languid gulch]

that's one thing pcpartpicker really needs to add onto that side panel, the fan options on it

www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/pop/pop-air/white-tg-clear/

they list the cheapo options without fans

OH

ok, i was reading it wrong, RGB vs non-RGB fans

[dire igloo]

Yup

[languid gulch]

kk, respectable

don't need to worry about any fans then

[dire igloo]

Yup

Could go for a fanless case and add TL-S12 to fit both the rainbow puke and the blackout/whiteout

Or go for Montech Sky Two - which is also fishtank and comes with four ring-lit fans

[languid gulch]

would probably throw the rear 120mm fan to the front for a full wall of air going thru the system

[dire igloo]

Iirc you can't mount three 120 fans at the front

[languid gulch]

well that's no fun

[dire igloo]

Yeah, dual 140 maximum because of the 5.25"

[dire igloo]

Doubt you need it anyway

[languid gulch]

prolly not

especially if i do an assassin dual tower

[night girder]

EA sports WRC crashing because of leap day: https://twitter.com/EAHelp/status/1763192739322085598

EA Help (@EAHelp) on X

Guidance for PlayStation players:

1⃣ On your console, go to Settings > System > Date and Time > Set Date and Time > Set Manually.

2⃣ Change the date to March 1, 2024.

3⃣ Once this change has been done, the game should function normally.

Twitter · Feb 29, 2024, 1:21 PM

The fix is easy. But interesting case haha.

[languid gulch]

a decent amount of new zealand's gas pumps felt like not working because of it too

[night girder]

Oh no!

[languid gulch]

ah shit. they might want a legit windows OS 🤣

[dire igloo]

An overtime/vacation day planning tool at a friend's workplace broke down because it calculated the already taken, still remaining and potentially expiring vacation days from 2023-02-29 until 2025-02-29

[night girder]

There are so many bugs/quirks relating to time/dates.

[languid gulch]

kk, looks like i have a really good start into build #4 for me 🤣 thanks all

[dire igloo]

What's your current list?

[languid gulch]

got 2 going, amd vs intel

[dire igloo]

Send both

[languid gulch]

weird

there's not the normal links to them now

is that visible?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XsnppB

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VbwY7R

5600 system would be even cheaper if i could find one without a cooler since i have a spare

[night girder]

it is for me 👍

[dire igloo]

Overkill board, UD AC or the Asus prime you had are fine

[languid gulch]

do those have built in wifi?

[twin dew]

That AC in after the UD means AC wifi, Asus has "Something WIFI" if it has for most models.

What was the previous Asus Prime?

[dire igloo]

B550-Plus AC-HES

[twin dew]

So yes. AC Wifi again.

[dire igloo]

Honestly considering if going DDR5 would be worth it on the LGA1700 build

[languid gulch]

kk

[dire igloo]

You save $10 on the mainboard and actually get higher quality and a better chipset

[languid gulch]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fGb2n6

that knocked it down to $521

[dire igloo]

Idk about ram cost tho, absolutely not familiar with 8gb ddr5 dimms

[twin dew]

Using x16 chips, so significantly slower than 16GB ones.

As they don't have enough banks.

Same as 1Rx8 vs. 2Rx8 on DDR4.

On 1Rx16 to 1Rx8 on DDR5.

[languid gulch]

would a single 16gb stick of ddr5 be the way to go then?

[twin dew]

Even worse than two x16 sticks.

As that gives about 10% less, and one stick gives 50% less.

[dire igloo]

Added a list of cooler options and less expensive RAM, also included the SSD and GPU but marked them as purchased
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/khFZDZ

[languid gulch]

i thought you said stock for the 5600 cooler was fine

[dire igloo]

It works but it's loud

[languid gulch]

lol true

[twin dew]

Under load.

But at desktop, not really.

[dire igloo]

Oh yeah, should've mentioned that

Idle and in non-demanding tasks it's absolutely fine

[sand saddle]

Why?
Just get a used laptop or smth and use the key you get from that.

[languid gulch]

might do that

unless they want win11

then i can yank a legit copy when i want to upgrade 🤣

[dire igloo]

Get Win 10 license, use it for win11

[languid gulch]

i forgot about that

kk, looks like 2 good systems to run them by & let them know the pros & cons

AMD is a lot cheaper, intel has a lot better future upgradability

[dire igloo]

Eeeeeh

If you got DDR5 on Intel I'd say yes

[languid gulch]

right

[dire igloo]

Also Intel performs a lot better

Especially if you pick 2x16GB and PG Velocita

[languid gulch]

i did a quick 7600X version & it's only $5 more than the 12600KF DDR5 build

oh brain fart, different ram

ok $13 different

so the AM4 system is waaaaaaaaay down at $412, the AM5 & intel DDR4 & 5 systems are in the $540 to $580 range

why is the most expensive option looking like it might be the best

[dire igloo]

@night girder why ?

[dire igloo]

Making this entire thing more and more convoluted

Advantage of AM5: Pro RS mainboards allow for a nice white build

[languid gulch]

oh yea gonna get some sleep & then do white versions of them

[night girder]

because you just slightly reinforced?/enforced? the AMD is shit and Intel is best bias 😉

[dire igloo]

There were two systems being talked about and I just stated that the "Intel one" with 12600KF performs better than the "AMD one" with 5600

But yeah, in isolation quite an inaccurate statement that I wouldn't have made otherwise

[night girder]

I mean, I was also about to say the same from my experience about AMD 😂 . But that would be unfair, so I didn't say it

[wooden vessel]

IMO putting together a zen 3 system without an X3d chip in it is missing out. The virtue of your intel choice is you can get a more basic cpu now and a 14900k later. Whereas now zen 3 top of the line is in reach of your budget and there isn’t (likely?) anything better coming out for zen 3

[wanton orchid]

you can get a 7600
and a better one later too ?

wdym

what are you comparing exactly

[jagged snow]

There's not much of a point of buying anything but a 5800x3d for am4 in a new build unless it's ultra budget

[tough owl]

www.androidauthority.com/google-silently-blocking-rcs-rooted-android-phones-custom-roms-3421652/

[jagged snow]

Google is just plain evil

[mental oriole]

Tldr

[jagged snow]

Tldr google is blocking RCS messaging on rooted phones using google messanger

As cool as rcs is, I'd much rather see an open implementation, but for that I think we'll all just have to use signal

RCS is technically open but it's more or less infeasible to implement it

[sand saddle]

No, 5600 with ddr4 makes sense for low budgets depending on the market.
At 5800x3d budget you can already get 7600 on a newer more upgradable platform. Ofc depends on the games, but on average they perform the same.

[jagged snow]

That's why I said ultra budget

[sand saddle]

For new build I recommend AM5

[languid gulch]

i was also doing the AM4 as a "as cheap as i would dare go" kind of thing. this will be replacing an 8 year old laptop & a tv's garbage streaming UI, so basically anything will be a substantial upgrade from that

i can see bumping up to the 5700X3D to $520, so i'll run those by & see what the opinion ends up being

also when i was checking the 7600X is somehow $50 cheaper than the 7600

[sharp oasis]

@jagged snow question. How bad is X570 ram topology

And what can I expect

[tough owl]

It is but everyone uses googles servers

Ideally your phone provider should have their own infrastructure but at least in the US most use google

And I believe when apple implements it they’ll use their own servers but don’t quote me on that

[jagged snow]

I haven't touched x570 myself, I believe it's fairly good

[jagged snow]

You should be able to push 4200 with a high end board

[sharp oasis]

The board says on the QVL for Cezanne it can do 5600

And for Vermeer 4400

I think its T topology

Ahh

So its better for 4 sticks of ram

But is ass for single channel ram

[jagged snow]

I don't think there are any kits that can hit that much

[sharp oasis]

They are some. But they are single dimm kits

[jagged snow]

Ah, that would make sense

I think the highest I've come across was 5000

[sharp oasis]

Wait

I'm mistanken

5200mhz @jagged snow

Is the highest QVL for cezanne

[jagged snow]

Ah, that makes a lot more sense

Much more believable

[sharp oasis]

Tho I wonder how 4X8 does

And in t topology so much less chance of issue with 4 dimms

[sage pier]

@twin dew I have the router and one question does the software need to be running on my pc 24/7 for it to work?

[sage pier]

@twin dew its been like this for 5 min now is that normal?

I selected all of them as dynamic ip idk if thats right tho

[jagged snow]

@sage pier can you reiterate you situation from the beginning? Baldur is likely asleep right now

[sage pier]

Im setting up my router and its rebooting its been 20 min and still like that

[sage pier]

The router is the tp link er605 v2.6

[pure karma]

still either way anythign above 4800mhz gives the same micro stuters as running sli

[sage pier]

Do you think its safe to unplug the router and try again?

[sage pier]

Did you fall asleep or did i not provide enouh info

Sorry 4 buggin you

[sharp oasis]

I think thats a cpu issue

Intel CPUs should be able to push that ram extra far.

[pure karma]

well the 13700k sure as hell cant

[edgy hazel]

3d printers are horrible. I waste all my time just watching it

[pure karma]

they are they also cant live longer than like 3 months

[sharp oasis]

How many sticks of ram

2 right

13700k should easily push like 6800-7000 I'd think

[pure karma]

2 16gb 6400mhz sticks

[jagged snow]

No, you're fine
I'm just really busy all of a sudden and probably won't be able to get back

[sage pier]

Ok how do i find what subnet mask to use

[sage pier]

My isp uses static ip

[sage pier]

Should i just try 255.255.255.0 and see if that works?

[sage pier]

Ok

[edgy hazel]

that's a subnet mask

[sage pier]

Yeah how do i know what one to use

[tough owl]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitwarden/comments/1b32bbz/going_native_the_future_of_the_bitwarden_mobile/?rdt=36385

Let’s goooooo

[edgy hazel]

that scared the shit out of me

whooo thought bitwarden did some shit

[tough owl]

🤣

[sage pier]

Are you available now?

Im still stuck

Or @twin dew are you awake?

[jagged snow]

Sorry, not really
And I won't be until about 4 hours from now

[sand saddle]

In correct slots?

Bios updated?

[sage pier]

Ok

[pure karma]

yea both

[sage pier]

I talked with my isp and tp link and getting a technician here in a couple days

[twin dew]

You don't need to run the management software at all, using the web management is the right thing for simple deployments.
The extra software is for larger multidevice ones.

You need to reset the router to defaults with the reset button.
You probably set it into a mode that expects separate inside LAN DHCP server.

So don't use the controller software, that is meant for complex deployments in business environments.
Use the web management interface like with any other consumer router.

And reset the router to factory defaults with the reset button first.

[sage pier]

Ok i tried almost everything within the web management even calling my isp to verify the mac number or something even calling tp link

[twin dew]

So you have access to the web management still?

Understood you lost even that.

[sage pier]

No i switched back to the old router

[sage pier]

I hate eero routers you get random spikes in latency and download speed tanks

[twin dew]

I meant that your only problem was that the TP-Link didn't get IP from your ISP?
And not that you couldn't access the device anymore.

[sage pier]

To get the router distributing wifi i have to plug in the ethernet thats from the modem into the first wan port on the tp link router right?

[twin dew]

No.
WAN is what connects to ISP direction.
And any LAN internal device plugs into one of the four LAN ports.

Ah, sorry. from Modem.

Yes, modem output to WAN.

[sage pier]

Tp link got me to directly plug ethernet from modem to my old laptop to see what ip it had and tp link said it was invalid but it works on the eero router so idk

[twin dew]

The WiFi part mixed me up...

In what mode is the modem in?

Bridge or Router?
And does the modem have Wifi AP active?

[sage pier]

Whats wifi ip exactly?

[twin dew]

I didn't ask about any "Wifi IP".
WiFi AP, access point.

[sage pier]

Pretty sure bridge since you cant use the modem alone you have to use a router along with it

[twin dew]

I'm trying to understand what your network topology is.

So you have modem in Bridge mode (just straight pass-through)?
And the device behind it gets IP directly from ISP DHCP server?

[sage pier]

Sounds right

[sage pier]

It seems like it just converts the fiber optic cable to ethernet

[twin dew]

And that device is currently EERO router+Wifi AP?
And you wanted to switch to use ER605 instead for the router, and have separate AP only Wifi AP behind it?

[sage pier]

Then lets a router do the rest

[twin dew]

So not Modem, Fiber ONT.

[sage pier]

We dont use wifi i dont need a wifi ap

[sage pier]

Yes its the eero 6 plus

[sage pier]

It also has a landline on it

1 ethernet 1 landline

[twin dew]

So for me, I just plugged the WAN port to right incoming port, and set that to Dynamic IP...

Can you check what the EERO currently sees as it's WAN IP?

[sage pier]

Would that be in the app?

[twin dew]

No idea, usually should be in any management way.

[sage pier]

Ok 1 second

[sage pier]

Says 192.168.4.1

[twin dew]

So the ONT is in router mode already.

So you wouldn't have needed any router at all...

[sage pier]

Well when i plugged it directly to the ont it got 162.178... or something like that

[sage pier]

I got that fron the eero pod app

[twin dew]

So that was the wrong IP, that was the internal IP for the EERO.

Not the WAN IP.

[sage pier]

Yeah

[twin dew]

Should have seen from the .1 end...
But I still haven't completely woken up.

[sage pier]

Should i plug my laptop into the ont again to see the ip?

Would that help

[twin dew]

Yes.

[sage pier]

Ok what command do i use again

[twin dew]

ipconfig at least shows it.

And can also check the GUI side, but exact place depends on OS.
Win10 and Win11 have it in different place.

[sage pier]

Ok thx 1 second

[sage pier]

192.168.4.29

Directly from the modem

[twin dew]

If the WAN IP on the computer directly connected to the modem/ONT is that, then it is acting as a NAT router already.

[sage pier]

Weird cause i tried plugging in a network switch to it before and that didnt work and everytime iv3 plugged the laptop in directly it gives no internet

[twin dew]

Might be that you didn't get new IP.
And that was what the IP was when behind the EERO.

So most likely there is MAC filter at ISP end then?
And you would need to check what the MAC for the EERO WAN port is, and copy that to the TP-Link WAN port.

[sage pier]

They verified the mac on the tplink so it would work

But it never did

[twin dew]

The upper one?

[sage pier]

It was on the back of the router that i gave them

[twin dew]

That is wrong one.
The one on the sticker is the LAN side MAC

[pure karma]

to be fair its a everything is on fire issue

[twin dew]

The WAN side for me is one number up.

[sage pier]

So there isnt a mac for wan on the physical router?

[twin dew]

You can switch them around in the config, or provide the right one to the ISP.

Not as a sticker.

At least on the one I have.

The sticker has the LAN side MAC.

But like I said, you can change them around in the web management.

But that explains the problem then.
ISP is using MAC filtering and you gave the wrong MAC to them for the TP-Link.

So switch to the TP-Link, get to that page, and copy the MAC addresses around so that the one on the sticker is on the top WAN box.
And save.

[sage pier]

Theyre closed since its 10 pm and they already switched the mac back to the eero

[twin dew]

LAN MAC to WAN MAC, and WAN MAC to LAN MAC.

I meant that with that switch, you don't need to contact the ISP.

And you can test if it works.

Ah, sorry. One MAC at a time max.

So yeah, when they are open again, provide the right WAN MAC to them.

Or just set the WAN MAC on the TP-Link to the one for the EERO?

To test it during the weekend.

Just enter that into the WAN box, and save.

[twin dew]

And use that "Restore Factory MAC" button next week.

When you have provided that to the ISP.

[sage pier]

Can i make them both have the same wan mac?

[twin dew]

Yes.
As long as you never connect both to anything at same time.

[sage pier]

What would happen?

[twin dew]

Just by putting the EERO WAN MAC into that TP-Link WAN MAC box and saving.

[twin dew]

Just that neither would work properly.

As in the local segment the traffic is sent by MAC address, below the IP layer.
And if there are multiple devices with same MAC, things break down.

And for same reason if you have the TP-Link with EERO WAN MAC, and connect the EERO behind the TP-Link, it might cause issues.

As the TP-Link would see the same MAC on its WAN port, and on device connected to the LAN port.

So nothing catastrophic, just very glitchy or non-working network for the devices with same MAC.

[sage pier]

Im trying it now and the router doesnt need to be connected to the modem yo access the control page right?

[twin dew]

No, doesn't need WAN connection.

[sage pier]

Ok

[steel peak]

could sw issue or kernel level anticheat cause a computer to poweroff

[twin dew]

Power-off is usually PSU protection being triggered.

In theory also MB VRM protections.

[steel peak]

whaat would be a good way to test if this is the case

[twin dew]

If it is instant power cutoff.

[sage pier]

I cant find where mac is on eero router

[steel peak]

only helldivers2 causing my pc to power off, cinebench 2024 doesnt

[twin dew]

Didn't you provide it to the ISP?
Or they had it in somewhere on their own?

[sage pier]

They had it somewhere

The technician installed it

[twin dew]

To find that, tap on the icon of the individual eero in the app, and then go to the Details screen – you'll see two MACs for the two Ethernet ports, labelled as Left and Right. The Left and Right refer to the ports when looking at them from the back of the unit. Using the same MAC as the port you're using should allow you to configure passthrough without any issue.

[sage pier]

Could it be called something else?

[steel peak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/989209173600387154/1213358877526069308/image.png?ex=65f52f83&is=65e2ba83&hm=1f1a14982686a932aa4742e61ec7f1a6aa61e9f660df2330d583dcf203303ca4&

using the radeon tuning feature with it set to undervolt, only pulling 240W at max with RM850 corsair PSU

aint no way its ocp right

[twin dew]

Because cinebench doesn't use the GPU.

[steel peak]

oh 🤔

[twin dew]

But if you have AMD GPU, you need to get latest drivers for Helldivers 2.

[steel peak]

what can i use to stress test temps/gpu

i think i might need some manual fan tuning

[twin dew]

They released hotfix driver first, and now release driver for crash issue with Helldivers 2 specifically.

But Furmark is/was the old standard for GPU power virus.

[steel peak]

well before it wasnt crashing, at least i dont think. it was straight up power off

[twin dew]

Don't remember what they said would happen.
But first thing would still be to get the 2024.2.1 driver and see if you still have issues.

[steel peak]

yeah did that this morning, just tried now. i crashed instead of a poweroff this one time

[twin dew]

And after that, next would be to limit the GPU max power as test.

With the tuning power slider.

[sage pier]

Ok i see the mac for port 1 and port 2

[steel peak]

is the built in stress test on adrenaline okay

[twin dew]

Need to copy the one that is connected to the Fiber ONT.

[twin dew]

No idea.
That is mostly for OC stability testing.

[sage pier]

Then put that in the tplink wan mac?

[twin dew]

Yes

[sage pier]

So i erase the mac on wan thats there already?

Will i have to change lan mac?

[twin dew]

No need to touch the LAN MAC.
Just to replace the WAN MAC with the one from EERO and saving.

Use the "-" between the parts, not ":" even if EERO had ":":s

Those are just for humans as separators.

[sage pier]

Ok thx thats what i was gonna ask

[twin dew]

The TP-Link might have accepted both, but easy to replace and not take a chance.

[sage pier]

ok it updated

[twin dew]

And then just try if it now gets IP for the WAN if you connect it to the ONT instead of the EERO.

[sage pier]

should I unplug the eero now and plug the tp link?

[twin dew]

Yes

[sage pier]

ok one second

if you don't hear from me for a while something went wrong

[sage pier]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT IT WORJS

IT WORKS

THANK YOU SO MUCH

[twin dew]

Because only problem was the ISP MAC filter.

[steel peak]

hmm.. so ive got furmark2 running for at least 10 mins now, temps and power consumption look the same as when im running any new game..

[sage pier]

I can't believe that 10 min fix was the only reason I spent 7 hours on it

[twin dew]

And when you add CPU power virus too?

And run both at same time?

[steel peak]

oh how do i do that

is that its own program or part of furmark

[twin dew]

Run for example that cinebench at same time.

[sage pier]

now I'm getting 30 mbps faster download and 50 mbps faster upload

[steel peak]

😬 hitting 85c on cpu

[twin dew]

up to 95 is normal.

At that point it usually throttles.

[steel peak]

seems to cap out at ~290W GPU ~80W CPU

cinebench 24 multicore + furmark vulkan running simultaneously

😬 whys seeing 110C hotspot on my gpu always freak me out

[twin dew]

What is the GPU temp at that time?

[steel peak]

windows reports 85C

[twin dew]

So you have problem with the GPU thermal paste.

If the GPU is 85C and GPU hotspot is 110C.

[steel peak]

damn it came stock like this

[twin dew]

But shouldn't affect this.

[steel peak]

way too late to rma

but yeah, hd2 was the only game that ive encountered this issue

even playing satisfactory on ultra stresses my machine but it doesnt poweroff

[night girder]

What's up with these AMD builds powering off 😂

[visual tree]

I need this clock in my room

It's showing 14:14 if I am correct

Not sure what the top dot is for though

[dire igloo]

am/pm?

[visual tree]

Just checked, it blinks each second

[night girder]

If I am correct 😂 - Wants a clock, but not 100% sure if they can understand it

[visual tree]

But I am correct it seems. I just lack self-confidence as always

I'm the type of person who used a calculator in school to check if 3+4=7 "just to be sure"

[night girder]

measure twice cut once 😄

[sage pier]

@twin dew sorry to bother you but If i return the eero router will that reset their mac address filter?

[twin dew]

You preferrably have them change the allowed MAC to the TP-Links native WAN one next week, and reset it to use that.

[sage pier]

would it be bad if I just kept it the way it is?

and not return the router?

[twin dew]

Still better to change it to the native one.

Remember you have to cancel the ISP techs coming too.

[sage pier]

oh yeah

1 sec

[sage pier]

could it cause latency to not have it on the native one or whats your reasoning to changing it back?

[twin dew]

Just to not in future get problems from the cloned MAC.
If you ever forgot it was done and the TP-Link and the EERO end up being used at same time.

[sage pier]

Would it be a problem still if i switched isp's?

[twin dew]

And why is it so hard to get the ISP to change the MAC in their filter?

[sage pier]

Its not I'm just scared I'll somehow mess it up again and quantam fiber should come into my area idk when though

[sage pier]

oh yeah I haven't done firmware updates its still on 2.0.0

on the sticker it says er605 v2.6

[twin dew]

That is HW version.

[sage pier]

but on the network management it says v2.0

[twin dew]

There has been 1.0, 1.6, 2.0 and 2.6 HW versions.
And the firmware needs to match the HW.

On that download page there was dropdown to select the HW version.

[sage pier]

the sticker says 2.6 the management says 2.0

[twin dew]

Does it say SW 2.0 or HW 2.0?

[sage pier]

hw er605 2.0

[sage pier]

sw says 2.0.0

what benefits would I get from doing a firmware update

[twin dew]

Trust the sticker and packaging for the HW version.
But 2.0 and 2.6 should be using same firmware.

[sage pier]

ok

[twin dew]

The changelogs are there.
But first is to get stateful firewall, and even higher version supports IPv6 firewalls if you enable the IPv6 functionality.

• security fixes etc.

[sage pier]

I use ipv6 dns rn with firmware 2.0.0 it switches it to ipv4?

[twin dew]

There isn't IPv6 firewall functionality at that firmware.

There is IPv6 functionality, but no firewall.

[sage pier]

ok no firewall at all?

[twin dew]

And the IPv4 firewall is stateless, so no NAT punchthrough support etc.

[sage pier]

ok

[twin dew]

So please, upgrade at least to that 2.2.3...

[sage pier]

wow I'm on firmware 2.0.0 rn the lowest firmware I can upgrade to is 2.2.2

I'll do 2.2.3 though

will this have the internet go down?

[twin dew]

Usually for the duration.

[sage pier]

and it saves all the settings right?

[twin dew]

According to the notes,yes.

[sage pier]

oh yeah I see that

[edgy hazel]

[round ferry]

Cloning a drive?

[edgy hazel]

nah printing a skeleton

[round ferry]

Ah, I see. Better than the 9 months it usually takes.

[edgy hazel]

true and mine will have a helmet and sword

[rotund hamlet]

based

[steel peak]

any recommendations for a desktop microphone thats decent audio quality

[sage pier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1191206419559628870/1191206454846312448/Microphone_Tierlist.png?ex=65ee6c76&is=65dbf776&hm=c17e140ff7d23544c6f0c950475d0d840389298df639c2246aafb2d65a135888&

[gilded helm]

Form factor and other features?

[sage pier]

I'd recommend the mpm1000u

[sage pier]

I got the router working so I installed the firmware update so I can install the newest firmware update and this one is saying rebooting

its taking way longer than the last update

it says rebooting is it okay if I refresh the page?

if you're awake but probably not @twin dew

[steel peak]

desktop and like sub $100 that doesnt pick up background audio easily

[sage pier]

mpm1000u with mic arm

[sand saddle]

Background noise pick up is entitely up to additional software with that mic

[sage pier]

what software would you recommend? I used to use obs studio but thats kinda heavy on my cpu and ram for some reason

[sand saddle]

Idk, I don’t record

[sage pier]

ok

[tough owl]

we got safari burning the mac 😎

we love webgpu

[dire igloo]

There's this but idk how good it is
github.com/eiz/SynchronousAudioRouter

or if it even does the stuff you'd need

[gilded helm]

Not entirely. Get comfortable talking closer and louder to the mic, and turn the mic down.

[edgy hazel]

condenser mic enters the chat

shit picks up a needle

[wanton orchid]

stuff like at2035 are very good baseline

[gilded helm]

Super cardioid pickups patterns exist, but I haven't found them to make much difference.

[sharp oasis]

Damn I have fifine

[sage pier]

same

[sharp oasis]

Its okay

It works.

[dire igloo]

If it works, it's good

[sage pier]

I use obs studio settings to make it sound okay

[dire igloo]

Thing is: you look at it wrong, it breaks

[sharp oasis]

I have a onboard tuner tho help clean stuff up

[sharp oasis]

I am amazed

[dire igloo]

Bad QC, which is why they should be avoided

[sharp oasis]

As I've straight up deep throated my mic for memes

And its been fine

I must have gotten a good one

[sand saddle]

Well, it still picks the audio up. It just won’t be that noticable compared to your voice.

[gilded helm]

Which makes filters work better

[sharp oasis]

I can't wait for my 6900XT

2.1x faster then the 6600 I'm running rn

Hopefully I will have enough money to ensure a PSU upgrade

Else I'll be running on the very edge of my PSUs capacity alot

[sand saddle]

Which is software…

[gilded helm]

Your original post implies that software is the only factor, which simply isn't true. Unless software is at the point of basically being magic, and maybe it is, I don't stream.

[rustic scarab]

How many fps do you all get and with what settings?

[sand saddle]

I just meant that an MPM1000U has 0 features to block out any audio. It picks up everything it hears.

[dire igloo]

The amount of noise picked up varies with position.
Whether or not any noise is picked up depends on software

[sand saddle]

#satisfactory and that depends on the factory size

[dire igloo]

And the PC hardware

[rustic scarab]

I was wondering where i sit with my hardware because i feel like i have a bottleneck in my system

but then again it wouldnt make sense with my config thats why

[gilded helm]

I'm using a Sennheiser 835 at a bar right now in an entirely analog setup. I leave it on and it picks up basically zero background noise, because it has a cardioid pickup pattern and I talk loud and leave it low on the mixer. The MPM1000U also has a cardioid pickup pattern when I glanced a spec page for it, so you should be able to accomplish the same.

If it's actually omnidirectional, then yeah, you'll hear the mouse clicks.

[sand saddle]

Would have to test ig

[gilded helm]

It'd be very surprising to see an omnidirectional mic listed in any article for desktop use cases, so that's probably not a concern.

[sand saddle]

Aww your pfp gets lost in the midnight theme

[gilded helm]

That's actually part of the fun, when some people don't even realize there is a PFP 😛

[sage pier]

tried doing a firmware update on my router and this has been on the screen for two hours now any suggestions on what I should do? also if a firmware fails my warranty is voided

so I'm kinda stuck doing nothing

[steel peak]

where do you find a mic arm

oh wait amazon recommends one :hmm

[pure karma]

i love blowing into the little hole thingy that bypasses all the sound protection lol

[pure karma]

its truly a work of art everytime

[sage pier]

@twin dew sorry for pinging you so much but I'm curious what time zone you're in? You don't have to tell me if you're not comfortable with it. also the first firmware update was good to 2.2.3 but 2.2.4 didn't work well it still technically going its been going for 5 hours

it says rebooting

its been saying that for 5 hours

[pure karma]

he is in whatever timezone most of finland uses

atleast i think

idk whatever it is its practically a north american night shift

[sage pier]

yeah its always so late or kinda early when I talk to him

[pure karma]

but its generally worth it because he is the goat🔥

[sage pier]

I agree

[sharp oasis]

I'm finally gonna have a unit of a pc by friday

Parts for CPU mobo cooler and ram are on teusday

And gpu comes friday

[sage pier]

are you available?

[twin dew]

How to use the Emergency Mode to recover the firmware for Omada Gateways:
www.tp-link.com/ar/support/faq/3062/

[sage pier]

well it still says rebooting should I unplug it or try that link?

[twin dew]

You can try unplug and just replug at first.
And if it doesn't start in 10 minutes, then do the recovery.

Which needs unplugging anyways.

[sage pier]

so unplug it then plug it back in then if that doesn't work download 2.2.3 or 2.2.4 again?

[twin dew]

Go just to the 2.2.3 for now?

[sage pier]

ok

[twin dew]

And if it needs the emergency recovery, then the settings will be lost.
So you need to put the MAC address mod again.

Also if you were US, get the firmware again from the regional site:
www.tp-link.com/us/support/download/er605/v2.6/#Firmware

[sage pier]

Ok and how long should it be unplugged for

[twin dew]

Just until it loses power.

10 seconds or so extra will be fine.

[sage pier]

I already have 2.2.3 installed imma just use that again since it worked

[sage pier]

Ok

[twin dew]

And ok, the files are the same for ER605 on the various regions.

The "(UN)" is probably "Universal"

In the file name.

[sage pier]

Now i cant even access the website

[twin dew]

Which website?
The router one?

[sage pier]

Yeah

[twin dew]

Has it booted?
Is the Sys light flashing?

[sage pier]

Ok it was off now its slowly blinking

[twin dew]

And now try replugging the ethernet cable you are connecting to it.

To make the computer try to get IP again.

[sage pier]

ok its working again

[twin dew]

So just web page error.

Or something similar

[sage pier]

I don't think the sys was flashing when I tried

why is the dns server so long?

[twin dew]

DNS server?

[sage pier]

now it says 2.2.4

[twin dew]

What do you mean that DNS server is long?