#off-topic-tech

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sharp oasis
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tis my phone

steel peak
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well shit i cant even get port fwd to work with ddwrt now 😐

jagged snow
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Did you manually install the right drivers?

sharp oasis
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device malfucntioning

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im at step 7/8

sharp oasis
twin dew
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Yup, that specific error means there was communication error when Windows asked the connected USB device what it is and what it can do.

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"Device Descriptor Request Failed" part

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Can be because of bad connection, bad cable or just the device firmware sending crap for some reason.

sharp oasis
twin dew
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Yes, saw that it was solved, but as general information for others in future.

sharp oasis
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Lineage feels good

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Its incredibly light compared to stock

twin dew
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And I successfully created installer config for Office 2021 LTSC that doesn't install Teams, Onedrive or Skype \o/

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(I hadn't bothered to try last time I had to install it)

wary olive
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New setup (getting an actual chair tomorrow)

twin dew
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Well, Spotify does it too in latest version... DNS, SSPD, mDNS.
So seems to be Chromium.

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Including acting as responder part.

rotund hamlet
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Yes

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I play on worse but similar and it's great on medium settings

twin dew
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8GB of RAM absolute minimum, 16GB strongly preferred.

rotund hamlet
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yeah

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I have 32GB for playing another game that hogs memory

twin dew
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Just that as long as you have 8GB of RAM and 4GB of VRAM, you can run the game with almost anything from last 10 years.
But that 8GB of RAM will limit save size very soon.

queen pendant
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btw does any1 know how i can solve it? even after i installed the newest driver this still happens. o,o

twin dew
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And did you verify the game files like I told you to?

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Or check the other stuff I mentioned about general system stability?

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If the game file verification didn't help.

queen pendant
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well yea i verified it and they were all there

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but this happens with many games on steam

twin dew
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Then you almost certainly have unstable computer.

queen pendant
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idk until like this week i never had the problem

twin dew
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OC can get unstable with time.
And even stock can get unstable with time, if there is hidden fault in some component that then develops into real fault with time.

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Curve Optimizer is OC, setting RAM to the marketing spec is almost always OC, and so on.

queen pendant
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so what should i do to prevent it from happening again? ;w;

twin dew
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Need to find what is causing the instability and fix it?

queen pendant
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yea

idk the instability since theres almost 0 pattern, it just decides to crash midgame sometimes and then other times decides to sleep for 10h+ straight

twin dew
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And how is that relevant?
You don't test with games if you can avoid it.

But you have not told anything about your computer except it has problems with some games and has some model of non-XT AMD GPU.

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I mentioned two common causes for later instability (CPU OC or undervolting, RAM at marketing spec and not auto)
Another is just RAM going bad for any speed.

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Depends on what your system is set to on what is next step.
Test without OC, test RAM, something else.

queen pendant
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how long woudl you say it "takes" for a ram to go bad then?

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on avg

mossy linden
twin dew
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Either is damaged right away, has hidden fault that surfaces usually in under 6 months, almost always in less than 12 months.

mossy linden
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the one im looking for only has 8gb of ram but expandable to 32gb

twin dew
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And any time you handle it it can cause either type of damage.

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ESD is a bitch...

queen pendant
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it worked fine for 4y so far o,o

twin dew
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And the old age dying depends a lot on voltage etc. stuff is run on.

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Higher the voltage, earlier the death on average, for same thing.
And DDR4 default is 1.2V for example, most kits sold for gaming computers run at least on 1.35V if not higher.

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And that also causes extra stress on the CPU silicon.

queen pendant
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so should i just get new ram in that case, cuz i think the ram is the reason since i never overclocked my cpu, and the ram tends to go to 70% without doing anything oftenly

twin dew
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But again, no specs, no info what you have set in BIOS etc.

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No, you should test the RAM?
And RAM capacity usage doesn't matter.

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Again, is the RAM set to XMP profile or like?
To make it work at the marketing spec?

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If yes, try without that first, with the RAM on all-auto.

queen pendant
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id have to check 1s

twin dew
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If that doesn't help, then run Windows Memory Diagnostics (worse but builtin) or Memtest86 (better but needs to be run from USB stick).

queen pendant
twin dew
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Meaning RAM makers programmed XMP type profile in slot 2.
Which is what that RAM can do on golden MB & golden CPU system when new.
Not that it can do it on YOUR system.

So disable that and allow the RAM run at actual JEDEC stock SPD settings and see if it is stable then.
Or run memory testing with XMP on first, and then if that shows errors, without it.

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(both XMP profiles that can be in the RAM)

queen pendant
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so I should test XMP2,1 and without? but I don't got no USB Stick so I should use Windows thing yes?

twin dew
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XMP is way to set the RAM to the marketing spec (tested on that golden part system) easily.

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XMP1 and XMP2 are such auto-OC specs programmed to the RAM sticks.
Set that thing to disabled/auto to let the RAM run at JEDEC stock.

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And see if the games still crash or not.

queen pendant
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it would crash occasionally so I'd have to wait like 5h for a chance for it to crash.

But RN I'm testing with it on first like u said earlier

queen pendant
twin dew
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Standard for first at least?

queen pendant
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wdym for first

twin dew
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That depending on what that first run says to decide what to do next.

queen pendant
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Ok

twin dew
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The normal seems to run mid coverate testing once with cache on.
And the advanced side allows to run three different test coverates (basic, standard, extended), and specify how many times the tests are run before it returns (taking more time), and if the CPU caches are enabled or disabled for specific tests or not.

queen pendant
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With XMP2 it's currently at 52 with no errors, so it's taking its whule

queen pendant
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With XMP2 it hasn't found any problems. Should I still try without?

queen pendant
sharp oasis
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May I ask full system specs @queen pendant

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And next crash what's the error.

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As those bsods often mean something

sand saddle
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@twin dew Couldn't I just use this for the pump? https://youtu.be/tCJ2Q-CT6Q8?si=LZFl-g60s0057hDX

YouTube
Robojax
Complete Guide for 15A 400W MOSFET AOD4184A to control motor or load

This video explains using MOSFET as a Switch or as a PWM driver to control motor.

Here is better version for Higher voltage or Higher current https://youtu.be/eqXaqRFAWrA

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▶ Play video
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Says input signal 3.3V

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Looks like easy PWM speed control, no?

twin dew
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Within the specs of that, yes.
So 36V, 15A, 400W max for the motor.
And that rating might be with extra cooling.

visual tree
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Would this be considered a good network architecture?

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twin dew
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Or just buy 3.3V to 5V converter board to put between the Pi output and the Motor PWM controller you bought, so the 555 can be completely bypassed.

visual tree
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Designing a potential network for my home

twin dew
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Or do the mod to use the 555 as such converter.

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But I'm off for the night.

sand saddle
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It's very cheap and small

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20pcs/10€

sand saddle
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I understand that I can't reverse with it(don't need it as it's for a pump), but theoretically can make a H-bridge with 4 of those for bi-directional current.
I don't understand why it's so hard to come by when searching for ways to control a motor with raspberry pi.

sharp oasis
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@edgy hazel flashed lineage easy enough. No more issues with my pixel

sharp oasis
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I wonder what else I can do now with all this

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I Think my battery life has gotten hella good too

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44% will last me 18hrs.

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VS like 6 on stock android

wanton orchid
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by default you can try to group as much stuff into single switch as possible
then connect that with each other

then if you need network isolation or physical isolation, split it

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then adapt for performance/bandwidth

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noting that having vlan aware switch can help isolating things even if you keep the single physical switch

maiden coyote
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The u6+ is an awesome AP

visual tree
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Connecting everything to a single switch is going to be problematic because of house wiring

wanton orchid
wanton orchid
visual tree
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Edgerouter is going to be a central point where a fiber line is connected. From there, I will pull cables to 2 different rooms where I'll put flex mini in order to get more ethernet ports for devices

wanton orchid
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but what kind of device, I mean how you will route your room

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if you want a single network you can put a switch here as well

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if edgerouter is a switch then that's it

visual tree
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Edgerouter is a router

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And a switch

wanton orchid
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if its simply a router you may have problems with transparently communicating between other switch
if it has plain sub/integrated switch then its ok

visual tree
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Flex mini is just going to be an unmanaged switch in order to get more ports for devices

wanton orchid
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the most "powerful" cable must be between first switch and edgerouter

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there will be load between the wifi endpoint and first switch if you want to be able to acess nas from other device
as well pc will probably access camera
and also wifi devices
and even tv,
tv may connect to pc
so the frirst switch <=> edgerouter
must be the most robust one

visual tree
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I currently have a somewhat similar setup where a cable from router leads to a room with unmanaged switch where I have my pc and NAS. So far, it works without any issues

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Don't have two switches thought atm

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I could connect tv and nintendo switch to AP but I like wired connection hehe

wanton orchid
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can be intersting for switch to be cable yep

visual tree
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Can't wait to buy U6+ and test it compared to all-in-one wireless routers I've been using so far

wanton orchid
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I just meant that for the whole network, if you have a better cable
put it between :

  1. first switch <=> edgerouter
    2-3. nas <=> first switch
    2-3. pc <=> first switch
  2. wifi <=> edge router
visual tree
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Oh, you mean cat6?

wanton orchid
wanton orchid
steel peak
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send help

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i cant get satisfactory or any gameserver rather up

visual tree
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Won't be a problem. Will just need to buy 2 cat6 cables and that's it. Cables connecting different rooms are already cat6

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And everything connected to the first switch is using cat6 too

wanton orchid
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everything 1Gbe ?

visual tree
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Only the network equipment atm is 1 gbit/s. All cables are cat6 afaik

wanton orchid
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?

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cat != speed

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with a short bad cable
and 2 beefy ports you can still have 10Gbe

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but long bad cable with 2 shit ports over 200m, and it's even if you could pray for it to even connect

visual tree
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Oh, the longest cable is 15 meters

wanton orchid
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that's why I was asking port speed independently of cable quality

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that's why I said both

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put better cable on better speed ports
and put better speed ports on first switch first

wanton orchid
visual tree
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Yeah

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Since network equipment is the bottleneck in my case

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But I think 1 gbit/s should be enough atm considering current setup works so far. The only problem I have atm is bad wifi coverage

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I don't transfer files between my pc and NAS often so I don't mind not having 10 gbit/s

wanton orchid
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1Gbe is good but for :

  1. core networking if you will have mixed heavyloads often going on (not your case)
  2. between your pc and nas if your job is working on big files
  3. between core and nas, if big enough network, and the whole network consume data from nas (and nas is not bottleneck)
wanton orchid
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then you're fine with 1Gbe

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1Gbe is very fine with everything usual consumer side

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it can deliver typical HDD data bandwidth

visual tree
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Yeah, if I was transferring files to/from NAS often and they were large, I would definitely go with 10 gbit/s

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Maybe things will change in 5 years and I might move to 10 gbit/s. It's hard to tell what the future brings hehe

wanton orchid
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for instance I have core network core pc and core server sharing virtual storage volumes as well as multiple kind of network loads, and file sharing, and it have to be able to loopback efficiently
so I have :
pc <=10=> core <=2x5=> server

wanton orchid
wanton orchid
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especially big file and storage volume sharing

visual tree
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My biggest worry is changing serial number and ploam password of gpon sfp so I can avoid using ont and plug the fiber directly into edgerouter

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But I've seen guides on the internet for the isp I plan to use so I guess it should work

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Need to make sure sfp module is compatible with edgerouter

wanton orchid
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make sure the edgerouter is :

  • flexible enough to tweak it to your needs (potentially even scripting it)
  • performant enough so it's worth trouble of having direct fiber connect
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some isp likes to have fancy stuff such as unusual dhcp keys

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you must be able to configure it

wanton orchid
visual tree
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Just want to get rid of ont since I don't want a combo of ont+router

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Planning on buying this (people have confirmed it works perfectly for the ISP and edgerouter)

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It's basically ZyXEL PMG3000-D20B and it's compatible with edgerouter

wanton orchid
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oh, so you can agree on isp on protocol
nice

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here you have to hack to do it

visual tree
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Just need to access the web interface where I can change the serial and ploam. People are saying to avoid buying huawei sfp since it's a nightmare to configure

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Zyxel is the easiest one to configure in my case

wanton orchid
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huawei is also not nation security friendly

winged valley
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I'd use MAC whitelisting for it if it supports that

steel peak
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aaaaa im an idiot. ended up checking if port was being used via netstat and it wasnt. reinstall of server resolved the problem

languid gulch
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first pc i built i managed to forget to plug in the cpu power, & it took an embarrassingly long time to figure out what the beeping & GIANT FLASHING RED LED right by the connector was trying to tell me

charred pewter
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heh

pure karma
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did that once cleaning a radiator hehe

charred pewter
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i knew someone who forgot to take the plastic off the heatsink base ...

pure karma
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wouldent matter until you launched a game but yea thats probably the most painfull fail you can have

languid gulch
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system suddenly jumps to 100C

pure karma
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been there done that

charred pewter
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😄

pure karma
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not the plastic but the 100C

charred pewter
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heck, my 14 series does that all on its own no matter what cooler is on it lol

pure karma
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rad or no rad intel cpu's dont care 🔥

charred pewter
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lol right ... "im too hot, i'll just throttle"

languid gulch
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loss of thermal controls is always a fun way to test when some plastics become a bit more plastic

twin dew
visual tree
visual tree
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I could also add mac whitelist on nvr

twin dew
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Time to start disassembling the old main computer...

visual tree
twin dew
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Here I am cable-managing the secondary case, when I was only supposed to do that once the new main machine was in operation...

twin dew
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And I'm blind...
This MB had both native TOSLINK output and S/PDIF header...
And I went and installed TOSLINK output addon to that header...

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Savun hälvettyä tarkistamme kytkennät...

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Booted after clearing CMOS.

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So the MB doesn't work if I disable CSM...

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As in cannot boot to UEFI setup.

twin dew
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Setting Intel IGPs (V)RAM allocation to 1024MB doesn't work... Boot fails on PCIe resource allocation.

twin dew
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And OS installed, time to start tuning...

charred pewter
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maybe this channel should be renamed to "general-unsatisfactory" lol

edgy hazel
mental oriole
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but why.

dire igloo
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looks like a horse

edgy hazel
charred pewter
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what the bloody

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i typed and pressed enter on that message in the general-off-topic channel... how the fuck did it end up in here ?

edgy hazel
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the magic of electron apps

charred pewter
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something applied physics to it and it fell down into this channel instead 😄

edgy hazel
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prolly just a fucked cache

charred pewter
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... reloading discord just in case

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still here ... so yeah just got sent to the wrong place

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i blame macOS

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i mean, Adobe does for all their bugs in their program

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(even though many of the bugs still exist on the windows version LOL)

edgy hazel
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bro fuck adobe

charred pewter
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but ohh nooo... its 'apples macos is causing the problem'

edgy hazel
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sure let me just wait 10 seconds to look at a pdf

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until this fucked up PDF reader start

charred pewter
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hahahaha you use adobe reader ??? i use Preview.app

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i do a lot in pdfs on my mac ... but yeah, i guess on windows its a bit reliant on the shit adobe software

edgy hazel
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hat to use it for a signature and it kept bothering me everytime I want to open something. It's gone by now

charred pewter
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or how about Adobe Air for an application to run 😄

edgy hazel
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and don't get me started on the sell-up they keep trying to push

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everytime I click somewhere wrong HEY YOU WANNA BUY ADOBE PDF VIEWER PRO???????????

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JUST 200€/DAY TO LOOK AT A PDF 😄

charred pewter
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lol

edgy hazel
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it's really time for the entshittification

charred pewter
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i had t ouninstall creative cloud cause it kept putting shit in my sidebar

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and not like something useful ... but a folder with a name so long its like wtf "Creative Cloud Documents And Fonts folder"

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any app that puts something in the sidebar is in violation

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"oh they wont mind...." ... then when the user takes it out, a week later "oh, it seems to be missing from the sidebar, lets add it... they wont mind..."

edgy hazel
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it's just very aggressive "hey come into our ecosystem!!"

charred pewter
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i also uninstalled it cause it kept updating a ton of js and css files in its cache or something, which would then show up in my active folder of "Recent Code Changes" ... and since macos smart folders are not smart anymore, i can't EXCLUDE a directory to auto-search in

edgy hazel
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macos has smart folders

charred pewter
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"smart" lol

edgy hazel
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my life has changed

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what the fuck I've been using macOS for like 7-8 years now and never knew this

charred pewter
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and if you accidently edit or touch the search criteria, it lights up this button:

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however there is no 'undo' ... and if you close the window and try to re-open your smart saved search ... its all fucked up still

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seriously ... i hate apples auto-save-on-anything bs they have been implementing

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ive ruined so many documents by accident because of that, and just closing the window, saves all the messed up shit

twin dew
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winget is pretty nice.

edgy hazel
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winget is great

night girder
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Should I?

serene charm
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yes, I don't see how someone could regret any ----X3D CPU, such good performance love my 5800X3D

stray badger
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Im not sure if the 7900x3d is as good tho

serene charm
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Thats true, and the 5600X3D didnt seem great but it was only in bundles which were decently priced so still no complaints

night girder
serene charm
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So go for it cause thats the best price/performance :D

night girder
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anyway, need to start replacing parts so I can keep my PC from crashing.

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and if I am going to replace my CPU to start with, it might as well be an upgrade 🤷‍♂️

edgy hazel
mental oriole
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Rip

stray badger
tough owl
odd peak
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anyone know how to fix this

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i think its because i had the mod launcher before update 8 and havnt played sines but i deleted it and reinstalled i have no idea what to do

pure karma
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you clearly dident uninstall it because its still trying to launch whit mods that arent suported

rotund hamlet
low scaffoldBOT
odd peak
rotund hamlet
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still, if you have any more issues please ask for help in the modding disc because this disc is oddly hostile to modding sometimes

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outside of this channel

twin dew
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Well, in turn I'm only hostile to Satisfactory Modding talk on this channel and the other offtopic 😁

jagged snow
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@edgy hazel olives again

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tough owl
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ew

twin dew
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But why has Fractal Design failed so badly with Define R6 front panel connectors...
The cable can just get to the MB header on full-size ATX MB when routed via the "clean" route.
And even then it should be few cm longer.

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So just tiny bit too short for that red route they are using even in the marketing pic, even with full-size ATX.
So with ATX that only uses two first screw locations it is too short, same for any kind of mATX.

And need to do the orange route instead.

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Fortunately I could do the red route with little corner cutting near the MB with full-ATX, but still...

pure karma
twin dew
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Hopefully finished for now.
Need to check if I get smoke or not after eating.

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twin dew
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At least booted to UEFI Setup...
And just realized I connected the monitor to the IGP and not the dGPU...

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Quick to fix, but had to turn the computer off for that.

But the case reset button has died.
The connector at the button PCB end had started to pull the traces off the PCB.
Checked that it still worked before assembling, but has died after the check, probably while reassembling the covers for it.

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So no Direct To UEFI button for me 😞

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But anyways, off to old test Windows.

twin dew
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Need to convert the HDDs sector format from 512e to 4Kn.

twin dew
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And read little more and not doing that, as there doesn't seem to be any benefit if the stack is 4k aware, like everything is today.

night girder
wanton orchid
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that's what the "e" mean in 512e

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512e is 4k physical with 512 conversion layer

twin dew
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I know, logical 512 sectors emulated in firmware with 4k physical sectors.

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Which is what would even have made that conversion possible.

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To tell the HDD to just not bother with the emulation.
But there was still small chance to brick the drive during the one minute or so it processes the request.

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If the bricking chance wasn't there, I would have done it even without real benefit.

charred pewter
jagged snow
tough owl
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you do not wanna see my nzxt h1 cable management

twin dew
twin dew
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And I just cannot get Win10 or 11 to install on AMD chipset NVMe RAID or RAIDABLE single drive...
The drivers load fine, the drive detection works, but writing just craps out.

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In the installers, works fine in OS.

jagged snow
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Weird...

twin dew
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And I'm not the only one with the problem.

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Just no solutions anywhere.

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So going to try the bypass.
Installing OS to SATA SSD, then cloning the partitions to the NVMe RAID.

twin dew
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Seems that the driver craps itself if the Windows management utility isn't running, and it cannot be running during the install.

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On AM5 boards.

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Possibly only if both SATA RAID and NVMe RAID are enabled?

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Got much farther with SATA drives disconnected and SATA in AHCI mode, but still failed...

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One last try with SATA controllers completely disabled.
And then on to cloning.

visual tree
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My cable management skills are average at best...

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Need to remove dust soon

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All the mess is hidden behind hehe

twin dew
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Which is why I took pic of that side too 😉

visual tree
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I'm not doing that lol

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Well, not until I do some cable management

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Hopefully getting nvme soon in order to replace old ssd's since there is not enough capacity (not to mention higher speed). I will also use those old ssd's in laptops

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Since I am getting fiber soon and there is no fair-usage policy afaik, I could switch to cloud gaming for really demanding games

twin dew
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Still extra latency.

visual tree
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Need to test in on some non-demanding older games to see how it works out

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Before moving to more demanding ones

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Btw, I hope there are multiple servers on cloud gaming so I can at least lower latency

pure karma
visual tree
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At least it's much easier now since I have modular PSU

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Seasonic ❤️

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The store was selling both 650 and 750 W for the same price and I took the advantage of it and bought 750 W

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Not sure if it's normal for stores to sell same PSU's with more W for the same price

tacit mauve
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might be an overstocked item they are trying to move

charred pewter
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whats with all these reddit posts about something called "Copilot" ...

winged valley
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Have you not heard about microsoft's newest dumb program?

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Its chatgpt but its in ms office and windows now

charred pewter
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=]

languid gulch
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ok, i've never crapped myself in my adult life, but this kind of thing might do it

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united, San Francisco to Boston, 757 diverted

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"delamination" of the leading slat

tough owl
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we love airplanes

twin dew
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"delamination" is term for when the layers in composite material separate from each other.
Which makes the material much weaker, and has caused it to break in this case.
As the slat is made of three layers, top and bottom outside layers and honeycomb-material between for strong but light solution.

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Slat is the moveable surface at front edge of wing.
The shown position is for when the airplane is optimized for higher speeds.
And it can be moved downwards to change the aerodynamic shape of the wing to allow for lower stall speed, combined with the flaps at the back for lower speed at landing.

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And takeoff.

languid gulch
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just terrifying to see

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it's like when you see all the spoilers come out when landing, looks like the wing is coming apart

twin dew
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Anyways, last try to get Win11 on AMD RaidXpert NVMe RAID-1, then going to try to do it with Windows Dynamic Disk Mirror.

steel peak
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How would one debug 'lag' in a server

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How would you determine if it be network issue or computer

dire igloo
twin dew
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Well, seems I will have the EFI partition on the 58GB Optane, and the 980 Pro:s will be in Storage Spaces mirror with OS install there...

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Win11 doesn't support Dynamic Disk Mirror booting anymore.

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No, the EFI couldn't boot the second stage...
More testing...

edgy hazel
twin dew
#

And the installer is trying to put the boot stuff on the Storage Spaces too...
And not on the separate normal drive that already had the partitions on it from another Windows install...

wanton orchid
twin dew
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And back to having the System partition on Windows Mirror.
Just with some extra steps to have non-mirrored dual EFI partitions etc.

edgy hazel
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I spent like 5 minutes trying to understand that

twin dew
#

To trust Storage Spaces "Mirror" or not, and to trust ReFS or not...

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Any words of advice?

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Ah, yeah, just remembered it doesn't give any alerts for anything...

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And ReFS doesn't really help without Storage Spaces either...

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Anyways, the two 2TB NVMe SSD:s are now in Dynamic Disk Mirror, with 0.5TB for OS and 1.3TB for game installs etc. with NTFS for both.
But need to decide what to do with the two 512GB SATA SSDs that will have the Windows Profile, and the two 6TB HDDs for Stuff™️.
What to use for mirroring and if I want to use NTFS or ReFS for each...

twin dew
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File contents checksumming would be so nice to have

#

Seems it is finally starting to be stable?
As in Server 2019 was still somewhat messy but with Server 2022 ready for primetime?

twin dew
#

Seems to finally work?
Even just 2 years ago it only detected bit rot etc. on "primary" disk, and didn't check the other if the primary copy was OK.
But now seems to check both?

And no more "Windows Update turns the drive to unformatted RAW" either?

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So going to test if I can run SS+ReFS on both SATA sets.
Will see how many programs that install themselves under AppData fail because of that.

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Need to do the profile partition as non-case-sensitive, but the HDD stack ReFS can be case sensitive.

wanton orchid
# edgy hazel ?

I meant like peer connection settings
even if network is good it can be badly managed by app depending on its networking settings

edgy hazel
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that's what the pathtrace is for.... and no like 99% of the time a wrong config leads to nowhere/error (and a badly managed app isn't network)

twin dew
#

So next I need to read again how to create Storage Spaces pool in PowerShell, as the GUI for that just creates pools with bad settings...

tough owl
#

we love windows

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(I love lvm's on linux)

mental oriole
twin dew
#

And even the pool creation needs to be redone with PowerShell...

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Because it fucks up PhysicalSectorSize when SSD lies about that being 512 bytes.

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Which will cause the write amplification to go through the roof.

cinder moon
#

My NVMe still seems to be falling off the bus sometimes. Yay..
But at least I now know it's only the one storage. Shame it's the one with the root filesystem..

twin dew
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Ok, so Storage Space Pool set up with the two HDDs, with 4KB physical and logical sector size set.
Then Mirrored Virtual Disk created on that 64KB Stripe size with fixed allocation.
And then ReFS volume created on that with 64KB Allocation Unit size and Integrity Streams turned on by default.

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But seems I can do just 4KB Allocation Units for the SSD, as the two-disk Mirror type doesn't care so much about the Interleave to FS Allocation Unit size interplay as the higher disk amount things care.

twin dew
#

Robocopying the whole old C-partition from single SATA SSD to the HDD Storage Space, hitting up to 300MB/s with 200MB/s or so as normal speed.
But as the source is inconsistent from the sync mode with various size files, that is completely normal.

steel peak
# edgy hazel If it's in an internal network, it's most likely not network. If it would be net... 
Connecting to host 192.168.1.69, port 5201
[  4] local 192.168.1.106 port 57344 connected to 192.168.1.69 port 5201
[ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bandwidth
[  4]   0.00-1.00   sec   113 MBytes   949 Mbits/sec
[  4]   1.00-2.00   sec   112 MBytes   942 Mbits/sec
[  4]   2.00-3.00   sec   111 MBytes   934 Mbits/sec
[  4]   3.00-4.00   sec   108 MBytes   907 Mbits/sec
[  4]   4.00-5.00   sec   106 MBytes   893 Mbits/sec
[  4]   5.00-6.00   sec   112 MBytes   937 Mbits/sec
[  4]   6.00-7.00   sec   111 MBytes   927 Mbits/sec
[  4]   7.00-8.00   sec   106 MBytes   889 Mbits/sec
[  4]   8.00-9.00   sec   107 MBytes   895 Mbits/sec
[  4]   9.00-10.00  sec   109 MBytes   912 Mbits/sec
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bandwidth
[  4]   0.00-10.00  sec  1.07 GBytes   918 Mbits/sec                  sender
[  4]   0.00-10.00  sec  1.07 GBytes   918 Mbits/sec                  receiver

iperf Done.``` 
testing internal doesnt show any problems 😐

satisfactory sometimes "hiccups"
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but cpu usage never over 20%

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32gb memory on that system so shouldnt be that either

twin dew
#

Total CPU usage doesn't show anything meaningful with many-core CPUs in most loads.

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And neither does the averaged per core readings, as the threads jump around too fast.

steel peak
#

oh 😦

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surely i7 8700 can handle this

twin dew
#

Need to look into per thread CPU usage with semi-specialist software to see if there is CPU bottleneck.

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For SP or Host you can check the "stat unit" ingame console command output.

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But as client or with dedicated server, no such easy way to see.
And this is wrong place to talk about Satisfactory anyways.

steel peak
#

🤔 lets say its palworld

twin dew
#

Then I have no idea jacelul

edgy hazel
#

I'm absolutely clueless. Way too new a game

twin dew
#

13 SECOND average response time at spikes, HDDs are "great".

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Now to bed.
Tomorrow last backups from old drives, and then to finish the new systems Windows installation.

pure karma
#

13 second average response time???? is it just a really slow drive or what?

wanton orchid
#

there has been multiple ssd/pcie/usb-c bus falloff fix in in 4-7 last kernel versions
especially when going in and out of sleeping

cinder moon
# wanton orchid with latest kernel ?

I'm using fairly new kernels, 6.6 right now. I've had the issue since somewhere around 6.2 or so.
But it's happening during active usage. I'm playing a game or writing code and suddenly boop, gone.

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And entirely unrelated but, YouTube, what?

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Is this A/B testing gone wrong somewhere?

wanton orchid
#

ungoogled chromium ?

cinder moon
#

Firefox.

wanton orchid
#

oh

cinder moon
#

It was happy until about an hour ago.

wanton orchid
#

it's frustrating

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x.x is just feature
not patch level

cinder moon
#

Not every distro or kernel distribution keeps with the mainline kernel versioning. They may pull from different commits and have it suit their packaging.
I use Xanmod-packaged kernels for instance, so I have a 6.6.10 kernel, but the .10 refers to the version packaged by Xanmod.

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Ah nope, it does refer to mainline at least.
But then my distro will have packages like 6.5.0-18, where they sit on a single kernel and only add patches.

tough owl
#

Linux 👀

cinder moon
#

Apparently the bug is related to Adblock. I have no idea if it's an incompatibility between a YouTube update and existing Adblock settings, an adblock change breaking things, or YouTube deliberately trying to degrade the experience for adblock users (which wouldn't make sense, given there's no indication of adblock being the issue)

So I guess I'll just write my own patch for now and wait for it to be fixed.

cinder moon
tough owl
#

I concur

pure karma
#

in fact i have it right now

cinder moon
#

It's fine. When this stuff happens, it just disincentives me to use it. 😛
I've got a ton more stuff I can watch, play, etc.
Like Stargate SG-1.

pure karma
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yea myn is just a little skooted over nothing that crazy

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cinder moon
#

At what resolution?

pure karma
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1440P

cinder moon
#

Hm, same. 100% scale.

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And suddenly it's all working normally again.

pure karma
#

maby zoom because im at 150% zoom

cinder moon
#

It looks like some kind of fix is rolling out at least, so yay.

jagged snow
twin dew
#

IronWolf Pro NT 6TB 7200 RPM NAS HDDs.

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This is the reason why HDDs are so bad compared to SSDs as OS drives.
As they just suck at small reads or writes being hammered on them.

dire igloo
#

Five star rating system comeback?

tough owl
#

yes please

twin dew
#

Moving 1.9TB from one HDD to another takes so long...

tough owl
#

120MB/s?

twin dew
#

Yeah, read is happening at about that speed.

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Now that it is doing large files.

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Should be less than hour remaining now.

wanton orchid
#

should take like a day

twin dew
#

About 4.6 hours if constant 120MB/s.

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Ok, so little longer, as the robocopy has been running for 2-3.5 hours now.

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Started with another partition copy at 6:50 or so, and might have started the current partition copy at 08:30 or so local, and now it is 10:46.

neon walrus
twin dew
#

Need to get the backup done, so I can install and nuke second SATA SSD, so I can put two of them into SS Mirror with ReFS, so I can set Windows to put new profiles on that partition, so I can create my actual user account.
Which needs to be done before I can start setting up the OS properly.

twin dew
#

I really miss the two-slot-high taskbar...
But the regedit to get that in Win11 doesn't work anymore in 23H2.

night girder
#

regedit is really hit and miss

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Microsoft doesn’t really seem to document it properly.

twin dew
#

The spot is still there, you can edit it, but it reverts to default 01 automatically now.

night girder
#

Most I kno that does work or doesn’t is by trial and error

twin dew
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As in there was specific byte in HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\StuckRects3 that allowed higher taskbars, and second that allowed it to be moved to different edges, but neither works anymore in 23H2, when they worked in earlier Win11.

night girder
#

I don’t like to mess with regedit anymore. Just a clusterfuck to keep track off what works and doesn’t.

#

Best is to always backup and backup.

night girder
#

Or they unintentionally patched it 😂

cinder moon
twin dew
#

And just remembered to add the registry key to prevent automatic device encryption.
And now need to document it.

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Documenting all the various settings changes I do on newly installed OS.
Settings, Control Panel, Regedit, Group Policy etc.

twin dew
#

Finally done, took 4h 54 minutes.

twin dew
#

And seems that the warnings that Win11 doesn't work right if the basic profile stuff isn't in C:\Users\ was true.
Even when the move was done by pointing Windows to having different default profile storage place for new profiles and then creating new one.
So people at MS have coded stuff to not use the %profile% type shortcuts for some of the "Modern" style system apps and instead have hardcoded to C:\Users\<profilename>\

pure karma
#

5 hours for 2T across 2HDD?

twin dew
#

From one HDD to another.

pure karma
#

i guess thats not that bad cuz it takes about 1 on most m.2's

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but yea HDD are for the waiting game

twin dew
#

No, I just had written "F:\" instead of "F:" into the new profile location registry entry.

#

And that fucked things up.

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As the final profile specific reference ended up being "F:\\Baldur" and not "F:\Baldur"

night girder
#

It's a bit of effort, but it can pay back.

twin dew
#

Been doing it at the same time as I have been configuring the systems.
As I have just done three OS installs.

night girder
#

And when I needed to troubleshoot, I just went over the list to see what changes I made to system.

twin dew
#

Need to do the final touches on this third one on the main computer.
And then port the new stuff to the other ones too.

night girder
#

It's only 277 lines of text 😄

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Baldur, you know if I can use these two together?

twin dew
#

Need extra part between for that exact combo.

#

That converts the 10mm stud on the red part into 4mm banana socket for the cable.

night girder
#

sjiiiit, can't I just pull out the clam from the wristband and plug it into the earth bonding point? 😂

twin dew
#

There are also yellow ones with banana connectors.

night girder
#

this one?

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twin dew
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This thing as adaptor is needed.

untitled-1_2.png
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Still banana on the cable.

#

Would need this type of plug

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The black ones are 4mm bananas and the top is 10mm stud.

night girder
#

wellt he plug wasn't meant for wristbands

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meant to be used like this.

2_Velleman-Aardingsstekker-Voor-Antistatische-Mat-Europa.jpg
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and it's the only one the shop has.

twin dew
#

You can get wrist straps with either 7mm or 10mm stud on the strap.
And then the connector onwards on the cable can be 4mm banana (most common) or 10mm stud.
And you can get that kind of banana to stud converters.

night girder
#

in theorie, I could just clam it on the pin in the socket.

French-Belgian-power-socket-3842890984.jpg
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but that seems so unstable, I will yonk it off pretty easily.

#

I don't understand why all these wristbands ship with these clams? Is it really that good 😒

twin dew
#

But either you need another kind of cable for the wriststrap, converter like I picced, or another kind of power socket plug thingie.

night girder
#

and in my local shop they laughed at me when I asked if they had it. They don't believe in wristbands.

night girder
twin dew
#

Now if I just remembered what was the key combo in the "select user" login screen to switch to "enter username" version for one time...

#

So another shittiness...
Dynamic Disks don't support TRIM passthrough.

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So need to keep eye on if AMD fixes the issues in their NVMe RAID driver and reinstall OS at that point.

twin dew
#

And ReCaptcha showed image of a scooter moped as "Select squares with motorcycles"

twin dew
#

And System Restore doesn't support ReFS?

pure karma
#

i accidentally recorded in no compression instead of minimal compression and because i was recording at 1920x1080 172fps it quickly became very fat very fast like 700GB per hour of write/read kinda fast

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minimal compression for camparison is generally about 25GB per hour at 1920x1080 172fps

night girder
pure karma
twin dew
night girder
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A limitation which applies to System Restore in Windows versions prior to Windows Vista is that only certain file types and files in certain locations on the volume are monitored, therefore unwanted software installations and especially in-place software upgrades may be incompletely reverted by System Restore.[18] Consequently, there may be little or no practical beneficial impact.

twin dew
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To recover previous user file versions.

night girder
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However, beginning with Windows Vista, System Restore monitors all system file types on all file paths on a given volume, so there is no issue of incomplete restoration.

twin dew
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Not for restoring the system as whole.

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bad backup "solution" with quick access.

night girder
twin dew
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When you just accidentally deleted wrong file with shift+del.
Or game fucked up with its saves, etc.

night girder
twin dew
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Once I get it running.
Already enabled File History once per day to the HDD stack, but still need to add AppData to the directories it handles.

night girder
#

the reason I am not a fan of these OS recovery systems is because when I needed them, they failed me.

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and so far, my plain backups to my NAS have provided more flexibility and solutions than TimeMachine or windows recovery.

twin dew
#

Was just so easy to just get the directory properties and Previous Versions in there.

#

As the first step to try.

night girder
#

Yeah, but it's also kinda of "all or nothing" since it reverts multiple files and settings.

twin dew
#

No?

night girder
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So you don't know what was wrong, you just know something was wrong somewhere and reverting fixed it.

twin dew
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That is the point.
The "System Restore" does full.
"Previous Versions" can browse that datastore and get single files or directories.

night girder
night girder
twin dew
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Just that having System Restore for the volume enabled is the prerequisite for the Previous Versions.

night girder
#

previous version is a cool feature, but most cloud solutions also offer that. Like my NAS. I can set it up to always keep X versions of a file if I want too.

twin dew
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As both use the same Volume Shadow Copies service data.

night girder
#

I see, well. Multiple ways, same solution I guess.

twin dew
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Just automatic snapshotting.

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And two things running on top of that datastore.

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One to restore the system to earlier state, one to just get random files from there.

night girder
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I meant, that snapshots can be done by OS (like you seem to do) or by external software like Synology NAS.

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Just pick your poison or whatever floats your boat 😄

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I don't like to be dependent on the OS for recovery anymore.

wanton orchid
#

win7 win10 win11
always landed partially reverted bullshit broken system in every single times I saw it attempted

twin dew
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Was just the first quick level.

#

And again, not talking about System Restore as the system to restore the OS to earlier state.
But the stuff running to keep data about the old file versions etc.

night girder
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Yeah, but the fact you need SR enabled to able to revert file versions 😒

twin dew
#

Just about this thing

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night girder
#

Also, I rather have external storage taking care of it.

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More room for games and screenshots 😉

twin dew
night girder
#

Or one could add extra SSD just for that, they are not that expensive.

twin dew
#

It uses less if the drive gets full.

wanton orchid
#

if you really need to save, then use backup
that is my way of doing it then
and unless there is a "manual snapshot" that provides similar functionality it's no use for me

night girder
twin dew
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Yes?

night girder
#

It could be that it started to cherry pick files to reduce space.

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Or clean up older data. But have drawbacks.

twin dew
#

No, just removes oldest points.

night girder
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Yeah, just like timemachine does.

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And yes, time machine has file history.

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and yes, time machine can also (or should be able to) restore full OS. 👈 But this is the point that failed for me. It wouldn't do a install from Timemachine.

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So it just a glorified file restoration 😄

twin dew
#

Ok, seems that the Previous Versions also looks into the File History data, so as long as I enable that for the AppData too, it will be fine.

night girder
#

I am so tired of crashing when I alt tab 😢 (hopefully fixed soon)

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Making backups of my minecraft world whenever I can. Changed auto save to every 1 minut too.

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and I wonder if I will ever know what the correlation is between CPU and alt + tab, I assumed this was more GPU bound.

tough owl
#

is minecraft crashing or what?

night girder
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nah still first issue, full PC crash.

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It happens a lot when I am gamging and I alt + tab. Also happens other times. Lowering FLCK gave some stability, but not solve the issue.

tough owl
#

what if youre doing like a gpu/cpu stresstest and alt tab, does it still crash?

night girder
#

that's the main issue, can't reproduce it when I want. But it keeps happening when I don't want it.

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Doesn't happen during a normal CPU stresstest (10 minutes).

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neither during a memory test.

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ordered a new CPU, so in a month or 6 I will know if the new CPU fixed it hehe

tough owl
#

what new cpu did you get 👀

jagged snow
#

7800x3d iirc

night girder
wooden vessel
night girder
#

for some weird reason, factory resets FLCK back to 2000MHz.

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Which is troublesome, 1733MHz is more stable. And according to Baldur, 1733 is default.

wooden vessel
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what form of crash? I had shutdowns after i put in a new 6800xt until i changd out the power cables

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like smash to poweroff

twin dew
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Because "All CPU should be able to do that", and ASRock is doing insanity because of that.

night girder
#

So we are not sure why the motherboard is defaulting to a wrong FLCK setting.

twin dew
#

So should be MB/UEFI seeing some uncorrectable error or other dangerous situation and rebooting the system.
And FCLK is the only one that should count.
And the specific CPU gets worse as FCLK gets higher.

night girder
#

Uhu uhu, we think the CPU has been on bad settings for a while.

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While I didn't do anything in the bios 😒

twin dew
#

So the leading theory is VSOC damage from too old BIOS originally.
That is now hitting critical stage.

night girder
#

And then we reverted everything to auto, it helped.

wooden vessel
#

consider remove, clean contacts on everything, if you have 4 ram sticks, reduce to 2

twin dew
#

The last springs thingie.

night girder
twin dew
#

Symptoms match.

night girder
#

refitted my GPU.

twin dew
#

And any of those shouldn't cause reboots without warning.

night girder
#

I didn't refit my CPU 😒

twin dew
#

If you don't have ECC RAM.

night girder
#

I though all errors in this day and age would be captured by OS or BIOS or something.

#

It fucking sucks to be in the dark.

twin dew
#

With ECC RAM clocked too high you get the exact same, random reboots without warning, when you get uncorrectable error.

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As AM5 AGESA doesn't support FCLK/IF or ECC RAM error reporting yet.

night girder
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I did RAM test. Was all fine. So in my case, I don't think it's the RAM.

twin dew
night girder
twin dew
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You would get BSOD or app crash instead.

night girder
#

Major oversight from AMD in my opinion.

twin dew
#

Lot of stuff missing in the AGESA at this time compared to AM4.
Lot of CBS directory entries that don't have anything under them yet.

night girder
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I don't understand why, besides money.

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Releasing a half finished product to cash in on it and stay competitive.

twin dew
#

IIRC it took few years to get full ECC RAM support for AM4.
At first it was in similar state, with just enable there, but no settings and no reporting.

twin dew
night girder
#

In so many business it wouldn't even be possible to produce a half assed product.

twin dew
#

Most MB makers too only have few UEFI/BIOS coders.
As the amount of people who can do the job is very low in world, total.
And not lot of training for that going on.

night girder
twin dew
#

And for lot of the stuff, the server CPU line gets priority.

night girder
#

I am just pissed. A simple error with: "You fried your CPU" would be fine. I can work with that.

#

It would safe me time. And I had a reason to send my CPU back.

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I don't care if it doesn't work.

twin dew
#

Dropbox doesn't like ReFS.

night girder
#

what do you mean by this?

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They probably did it risk analyses. How many people will have trouble with FLCK? 0.1%? Oh, that's fine. We can lose 0.1% of the costumers hehe

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"No need to focus on catching FLCK errors, just make a cheap CPU".

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I don't know ... just unlucky I guess

#

or AMD is less quality

pure karma
#

My school did something good for once they finally enabled 5G on the wifi network

tough owl
#

no

night girder
#

my high school experience was the best experience I had.

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Total freedom + it's your own responsibility to study or not. Loved it.

twin dew
#

But seems I can finally play something tomorrow again.

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After I move the new system to right spot under the desk and connect right monitors etc.

night girder
twin dew
#

Was hoping to get there already today, but didn't get there.

pure karma
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its on its 5GHZ band now but 5G whit 400mbps download/upload is probably not gonna work great

#

so far it seems still as unstable as before its just quicker so the speeds are the same but its more responsive it reacts quicker essentially

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but thats not too suprising 400mbps isent a lot once it gets split across like 2500 devices

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im fairly certain its also capped at 15mbps per device even if theres enough network to go higher

pure karma
visual tree
jagged snow
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Oh absolutely, I think that's true for most people

visual tree
#

And also love when you earn some money and you can decide on what to spend it for

jagged snow
#

Especially since money is usually really tight when you're in school

visual tree
#

College was really stressful for me because my parents paid a lot for it and they would beat me up really bad if I failed the year

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I guess that's what was keeping me in order

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But perhaps the worst part is when you are a fresh graduate. Looking for my first job was a nightmare and I almost suffered from depression and thought I couldn't get a job because I was completely useless and dumb.

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Once you get some work experience, things are much easier

jagged snow
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Yeah, that's a very typical scenario to end up in

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Working on making industry connections prior to graduation can help a lot

twin dew
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All the OC stuff is off right now.
But pretty unbalanced system currently.

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I need RX 7900 XTX!

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Madness follows:

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Need to sort all that old stuff on G later.

night girder
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Of all the schools I did, my last experience (hogeschool) was the best. Basisonderwijs and *middelbaar * weren't that enjoyable. No freedom

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So I am speaking of the higher education.

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ASO/TSO/KSO/BSO - Primary school and pre-school were the worse.

visual tree
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Wish I was back in the last year of high school when I graduated and college started 4 months later. I had the longest vacation ever 😎

night girder
pure karma
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im sure this is probably a good place to ask how tf do you make a windows batch file?

edgy hazel
#

open notepad
write stuff
save as .bat

pure karma
#

because it seems like it has changed from windows 10

pure karma
edgy hazel
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yeah cuz you ain't saving it as a bat

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save it as a bat

pure karma
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how?

edgy hazel
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brother select all files in the dropdown instead of txt and add a .bat behind it

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otherwise just save it as txt and change it in your file explorer

pure karma
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thats why im hella confused

edgy hazel
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no it does.

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I've done it like 200 times on win11

pure karma
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well then i guess all 3 of my windows 11 copies are broken

edgy hazel
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that's not the thing being broken

pure karma
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ima check something i have a theory

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ok yea that was it

wooden vessel
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A better editor doesn’t hurt

pure karma
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it did change slightly you cant replace them anymore you have to make a new one

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but i got it

wooden vessel
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Notepad++ is what it sounds like

pure karma
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uh i got it whit just normal notepad but i do have notepad++

sharp oasis
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Download notepad++

pure karma
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i think this is the first time i have seen a air cooled gpu bellow room temp

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dire igloo
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the thermodynamics implied in that statement fascinate me

tough owl
languid gulch
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i suspect the thermometer location for the room's temp is giving an inaccurate measurement

wanton orchid
pure karma
languid gulch
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my cpu sits at 38 usually, gpu 50

pure karma
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38?

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water cooling loop or what?

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im past that by like 40% ussage

twin dew
# night girder wasn't your whole adventure to get your system stable 🤔

Going to start re-enabling the OC settings over time.
Just didn't bother after last BIOS update.
So going to set the Curve Optimizer and FCLK today at least.
Then start re-enabling RAM in a week, and do that over time.
As no stress testing can find everything and actual usage can cause issues.

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And as the AGESA doesn't do those FCLK/IF and ECC RAM machine check error notifications currently...

twin dew
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2000+e other components with 230e GPU.
Where even the MB costs over 2.5 times what the GPU costs.

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I really wanted RX 7900 XTX 😭

jagged snow
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What's the avaliability like over there?

twin dew
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Problem is Money, not availability.

jagged snow
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I see

twin dew
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Hopefully in next 6-12 months...

jagged snow
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Currently tight on cash as well, so I get that 👍

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Waiting on ebay refund for a faulty piece so I can try to replace it again

tough owl
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We love inflation

twin dew
sharp oasis
twin dew
#

Nvidia has really been on money grabbing spree:
https://investor.nvidia.com/news/press-release-details/2024/NVIDIA-Announces-Financial-Results-for-Fourth-Quarter-and-Fiscal-2024/

Q4 2022 to Q4 2023:
GAAP Revenue from $6.1B to $22.1B (+265%)
GAAP Net income from $1.4B to $12.3B (+769%)

Y2022 to Y2023:
GAAP Revenue from $27.0B to $60.9B (+126%)
GAAP Net income from $4.4B to $29.8B (+581%)

NVIDIA Announces Financial Results for Fourth Quarter and Fiscal 2024

Record quarterly revenue of $22.1 billion, up 22% from Q3, up 265% from year ago Record quarterly Data Center revenue of $18.4 billion, up 27% from Q3, up 409% from year ago Record full-year revenue of $60.9 billion, up 126% SANTA CLARA, Calif., Feb. 21, 2024 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) - NVIDIA (NASDAQ: NVDA) today reported revenue for the fourth quarter ...

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For those who don't know:
Revenue is how much you sold/had total income (gross profit).
Net income is how much profit you have left after all expenses (net profit).
GAAP is specific US accounting standard so you cannot fudge the numbers so easily.

sand saddle
#

When everyone thinks they need AI in their businesses

sand saddle
twin dew
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Slot layout, 10G LAN, video outputs.

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But I did buy the stuff last spring knowing I might get fucked with GPU at least in short term.

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In most AM5 ATX MBs, you don't have space to install both big GPU, and two PCIe add-on cards (Sound card & 10G LAN).

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Because almost everyone has made it so that 7th slot is PCIe, then M.2 slot, then another PCIe at 5th slot.
But that PCIe is too close to the 2nd slot with the 16x for GPU.

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And as I wasn't sure if MST hub would work properly, I needed two DP outputs from the MB for the upper monitors.

dire igloo
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Why sound card tho? Just get a good USB DAC

twin dew
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Which I would somehow needed to bolt to the bottom of the desk or like?

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Internal sound card is still just so much easier for space usage and tidiness.

dire igloo
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Apple's USB-C adapter is a good DAC and is just a cable extensions

twin dew
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And don't know any good one with good headphone HRTF.
The Creative external ones are crap.

twin dew
dire igloo
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Apple adapter accepts TRRS - tho optical is an issue with that

twin dew
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And it isn't good DAC, it is just cheap usable quality one.

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Except the unit I got for another use was complete crap.
Might have been faulty, but didn't bother trying to RMA.

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The amount of noise on the mic input...

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As in very high noise floor.
-30 or -40 dB?

dire igloo
twin dew
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But why is the one M.2 slot between the two PCIe slots, and not other way around...
GPU, M.2, M.2, PCIe, PCIe.
In the cases when the middle PCIe isn't connected to CPU and is only 4x from chipset.

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Or just 1x in this case, with 16x physical slot.

twin dew
dire igloo
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Price ≠ quality, but yeah a pre-owned card that you want to reuse changes things

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oh, also: EU apple adapter is shit

twin dew
#

"Cheap end", so Creative Sound Blaster Z SE.
Mainly Creative for the HRTF.
Even when the one in that is worse than X-Fi:s had 🥹

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Everyone else has even worse or not at all.

twin dew
#

Anyways, now starting to play Control again for second time.
This time with patches and DLC.
Before heading to Alan Wake 2.

dire igloo
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Friends got me hooked on Helldivers 2

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Too bad it crashes constantly

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I have completed 2 missions and the tutorial so far - 3 more missions were ended prematurely through a game crash

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tbf tho, one of those three I would've failed anyways - but the point is, I have a 40% mission completion rate due to instability

twin dew
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Which is shitty.

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It is Creative Sound Blaster Audigy RX.
But it uses chip from before X-Fi series, which does forced sample rate conversions internally.

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Internally in the chip everything is done on 48kHz, and everything is converted to that, then to whatever you set the output to afterwards.

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The chip used is from early 2000, 2005 at latest.

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For the Audigy RX.

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Usable for RX. Problem is that chip internal stuff that causes issues if everything into the card and out of the card isn't 48kHz.
And lot of stuff still use 44.1kHz.

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And it isn't really upgrade from proper current MB sound chip in most cases.

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Z SE was the first "worth it" Creative card.

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Asus Xonar SE 5.1 not available?

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Or higher up Asus Xonar AE?

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Also you could try various drivers for the MB sound chip.
The one MB support pages have.
The one Realtek pages have.
The one Windows Update installs for it.

Often not all work the same.

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So probably the second from top download for 64bit, or fourth for ZIP version.

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No idea...
Much more expensive Asus STX II seems to suck in implementation when tested in 2018.

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Ok, moment, need to reread.

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Ok, that was not worth the money, but no major issues except at -90dB or lower.
No idea about the cheaper Asuses.

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So should be better than MB in most cases, but for same price well selected USB sound card would probably be better.

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Also doesn't have connector for use with case front audio headers.

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Check how much it would be direct from Creative?

sand saddle
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Sound cards are long dead, yes

twin dew
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Because idiots think that moving the sound stuff out of the case helps with interference that comes with the ground and power.
And still using the ground and power from the computer...

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There are lot of USB sound solutions that have gigantic interference problems from those.

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Yes, it helps againts radiated interference, but protecting against that is easy even internally.
And it is much lower power.

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So if the USB sound solution doesn't have separate power supply, it doesn't help in any way in protecting against interference from anything in the computer it is connected to vs. internal card.

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And the actual solutions to get rid of that interference are exactly the same.

sand saddle
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I mean usb is also more plentiful than pcie

twin dew
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But the secondary computer:

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With the CPU, MB and RAM of the previous main.

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And rest from the previous secondary.

pure karma
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are you gonna put a gpu in it or just leave it as is? i guess if you dont really need one there isent really a need to put one in

twin dew
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Running with the Intel IGP.

pure karma
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so your just not doing anything graphically intense whit it im guessing?

twin dew
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Just for office type usage.
Usually not even video playback.

pure karma
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ussually that works but somethimes the Igpu's are such a disapointment they cant even do that lol....

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twin dew
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That is Generation 9 GT2.
I have Generation 7.5 GT2.

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About same Gflops when the clock speed and power differences are taken into account.

sand saddle
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If you’re just using headphones, usb-c to 3.5mm is all you need. For example VE Abigail (pro) or jcally jm6 are good.

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Abigail has included usb-a to usb-c adapter in the packaging, don’t think that’s the case for jcally.

pure karma
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i was gonna upgrade this thing to 8gb of dual channel ram a whatever speed i could get but i decided not too because this cpu is a disapointment

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the desktop version is ok because it has a turbo clock of like 3400mhz or something but the laptop varient dosent have a turbo clock so its just yet another pointless dual core cpu

twin dew
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But the talk was about the IGP.

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You are now complaining about the specific system.

pure karma
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in that sense the Igpu would probably be tolerable if it wasent on a lacking cpu and ram config

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efficient idles generally does basic tasks ok

twin dew
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And if you got into the BIOS and set the IGP static allocation to lower amount from that 2GB.

pure karma
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its a laptop bios you cant do shit other than battery efficiency and like some display check or something

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if i would be able to i would have a while ago by now

twin dew
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Or maybe you are blind again and haven't checked all the places as you didn't think them relevant?

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Like IIRC last time.

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What is the computer model?

pure karma
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its a dell latitude 3480

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it might be in there but i doubt it

twin dew
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Ok, wasn't in there according to the manual.
Have you reset the BIOS to defaults at any point?
If the specific computer had more RAM at some point?

pure karma
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no its in its factory configuration and i havent reset the bios only updated it

twin dew
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I had forgotten how great Ahti is.
With all the word for word translated sayings from finnish.

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And in some cases using wrong translation.

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Reindeer = Poro
Palaa poroksi = Burned to a crisp.
Part of one Ahtis line: burned to a reindeer.

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Arctic P14 (PWM)?

twin dew
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I just replaced all the stock Fractal fans with P14 PWM:s in this upgrade.

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Had the stock Dynamic X2 GP-14 3-pin DC fans up to now.

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P14 are inexpensive, and better than the stock Fractal ones.

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AFAIK still one of the best general use 140mm fans if you can do without bling.

night girder
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If you hear it tick, there is a chance it will go 💥

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Speaking from experience 😉

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was to say, do it from bios hehe

twin dew
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You cannot do it via BIOS in most MBs.

night girder
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You probably talking about something else?

twin dew
night girder
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fan curves are also in my BIOS, for both mobo's.

twin dew
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In my current MB, for PWM fans the minimum is 20% speed, for DC fans the minimum is 50% speed IIRC.

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You cannot set the control lower.

night girder
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huh ...

twin dew
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You can disable the fan control, which runs the fan at 100%.
And you can set the low speed warning to be disabled.

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But neither stops the fan.

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In older MBs the minimum speed for DC fan was often so low that they wouldn't start with it.
But would try to turn at times and immediately stop.

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Yes.

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Hidden by the shroud in most pics.

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night girder
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I was able to stop my fans somehow though 😄

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Looking at the fan configuration in the bios is a bit confusing.

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My CPU 1 setting is silent. MY CPU 2 is set to standard. And all my chasis are set to silent by default. Why is my CPU 1 fan set on silent by default 🤷‍♂️

twin dew
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UEFI replaced BIOS.

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But old names die hard.

night girder
twin dew
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So in this case with "BIOS" we have meant the UEFI Setup / UEFI Configuration Utility or like.
And even with BIOS the config screens were just small part.

night girder
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So what is the different between "CPU FAN 1 Setting" and "CPU_FAN2/WP Switch"? 😒

twin dew
# night girder

Water Pump.
Is the output for CPU fan or Waterpump?
First is probably lower max amperage with control, second is higher amperage without control.

night girder
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all air cooling here.

twin dew
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I mean it switches the output mode of that fan header.

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Many current MB:s have two linked CPU fan headers and separate WaterPump header.
Yours seems to have CPU fan header, then combined CPU fan 2 header and water pump header, with BIOS switch between the modes.
And isn't fixed that the CPU2 follows the CPU1.

night girder
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Also, I only have one CPU fan so 😂

twin dew
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But anyways, if you want to try to stop a fan, you need to switch the Fan Setting to manual or like and then set the speed very low.

night girder
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Ah well, I figure it out when I install the new CPU.

jagged snow
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Most fans stop under 5-10% pwm

twin dew
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In DC mode.
And some PWM fans have fan stop mode once the PWM goes low enough.

night girder
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or else I just unplug the fan 🤷‍♂️ I mean, if you want to find what fan is making noise.

twin dew
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Unplugging is the easy way.

night girder
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For that purpose, I think it's pretty safe to unplug fans yes.

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The fans have protection for it I think, vaguely remember someone mentioning it. So if you block the fan, it should be ok.

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wow, who would have expected that hehe

twin dew
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Probably not from the fan being in the way, just from less forced airflow.

night girder
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eh, it wouldn't surprise me cheap knock off fans don't have anything.

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yesterday, when I couldn't sleep. I suddenly started to think. What if my motherboard is fucking over the CPU. If I buy a new CPU and put it in, then I have two fried CPU's 🙈

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I am slowly losing confidence in Asrock 😒

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and from GN I know it's possible that a motherboard fries other hardwre.

twin dew
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Yes, as the MB controls the voltages to the other components.

night girder
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Even when you expect that a motherboard has protection build into it. It was not the case. Even the top line of Asus motherboard didn't have proper protection.

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So it's still possible the motherboard is faulty.

twin dew
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OV vs. OC protection.
Asus was lacking the second in early boot.
Which doesn't matter if the CPU isn't toast already.

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But yes, broken VRM regulation can kill parts.
Or shorted components on the MB.
But this doesn't seem to be either at this point.

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Would need to measure the CPU rail outputs from the VRM with multimeter to get basic idea if the software reported values are sane compared to the actual VRM output.

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But need to remember what differences the measuring point can make.

night girder
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I am not good with multi meter.

twin dew
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And that the MB would have VRM feedback that works, but is offset is very remote.
Usually it just breaks, or works.

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And the SVI3 values are measured(?) inside the CPU.

night girder
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Ok. Let's hope 😄

twin dew
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So you can compare the SVI3 values in HWiNFO and the MB section values for the same rails.
Should be pretty close at low load and then the spread should get higher with high current.

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As usually the MB value is measured from either the VRM output, or from before the socket.
And the voltage droops after the measurement point.

night girder
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Good to know. But I am not going to do that. I really struggle with a multimeter. And I don't want to damage the motherboard.

twin dew
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Meant the MB reported values in HWiNFO

night girder
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and with struggling I mean, I don't know what I am reading. Or how to use it.

twin dew
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Losses to the board, socket, and inside the CPU before the actual die(s).

night girder
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Oh like that. I once had HWinfo file with everything logged to the point my PC crashed. But I didn't find anything back then.

twin dew
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CPU vs. MB:

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Not from same moment.

night girder
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Ok, I am following you now. Sorry for the confusion.

twin dew
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The multimeter could have been compared to the MB reported values (not the CPU reported ones) to see more closely if the MB reported ones are correct or not.

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But you can also compare the CPU reported and MB reported values for VCore, VSoc and VMisc.
Just remembering there will be drop from the MB reported to the CPU reported because of resistance between the two measurement places.

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And the difference gets larger higher the current is.

night girder
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I think there is a slight difference between the two

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if I am reading correct values.

twin dew
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Can be to about 0.05V for VSOC and 0.1V or higher for VCore under load easily.

night girder
twin dew
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But as long as the CPU reported values aren't higher than the MB reported ones, then everything should be fine.

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And the MB regulation is working correctly.

night girder
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Bottom graph is my motherboard. Top graph is what my CPU is logging.

twin dew
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So 0.015V difference where MB is higher, absolutely normal.

night girder
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You see the big dip in the CPU sensor, but you don't see it on the motherboard for examdple.

twin dew
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As there is latency in VRM upping the current delivery.

night girder
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This is a bit more data to work with.

twin dew
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But the HWiNFO just doesn't get good enough data to look into that kind of results.
Would need oscilloscope.

night girder
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Understandable.

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I wonder, if this data is available, shouldn't it be possible to monitor this and build in warnings? Into the driver of AMD or something? So if the CPU is logging it's values. And the motherboard is logging it's values. Can't "something" (driver, OS, ...) monitor these values and act when something seems fishy?

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Or isn't this data, like you said, precise enough to pull it off?

twin dew
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HWiNFO is getting one momentary sample per X ms (configurable to degree, default one every 2 seconds), from sensor that can have done anything to the data.

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For things that change at GHz speed.

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Current VRM often work in 300-500kHz range, and CPU load changes at clock frequency.

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So you need low MHz range data to get something useful to diagnose possible VRM output dips at minimum.

jagged snow
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Aka a very pricey scope

night girder
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I see, I remember our talk about MHz and I understand the short comming of the inbuilt sensors now 🙂

twin dew
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Nah, 10MHz is the very shittiest you can usually get.

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Today.

jagged snow
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Iirc my handheld scope is only 50khz

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And it's fairly recent

twin dew
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No, you cannot have HWiNFO ask the board sensors for new values 1 million times per second.

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The sensor isn't checking anywhere that often anyways.

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1MHz, 1 million times per second.

night girder
#

Not fully related, but I was watching some videos about airplanes that crashed. And one plane had all four engines failing. It was because of vulcanic ashes in the sky at night. Back then they didn't know it could cause major harm to airplanes. Now the interesting part was why the weather system, in the nose of the airplane, couldn't see the ashes. And it was because the bandwith it uses, has too big of waves and can't pick up the tiny particles. Was interesting.

twin dew
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The weather radars are tuned to work on frequency that water reflects.

night girder
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Exactly. Maybe not today anymore. Since they learned volcanic ashes are deadly for airplanes.

twin dew
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Still are, you cannot easily have multiband radars.

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You just limit flights when there is possible danger.

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When the last great icelandic ashcloud was that closed the european airspace for weeks, military jets ran flights with sample containers to determine how much ash there was in the air.

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Not even military radars etc. could get anything usable.

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And that was tens of years after the case you talk about.

night girder
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The ashes contained particles of glass, they perforated the engine blades and also, because of the heat of the engines it melted and got stuck to everything inside the engine. Thus the engine failed. After a while, it cooled down and the pilots were trying to reignite the engines, this probably broke most of the glass inside and eventually the engines worked again. The pilots climbed to higher altitude, back into the ash cloud (it was night so they didn't know) and again a engine failed. That was the moment they realized they had to fly lower. The correlation between altitude and engine failing.

twin dew
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The ash melted, stuck to the parts and blocked cooling air outlets.

night girder
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Oh it did way more.

twin dew
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Yes, it acts as sand blaster too.

night girder
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yes!

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the pilots couldn't see, even when they landed. The glass was glossy.

twin dew
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But the way low concentrations cause problems is the blocking of cooling air, causing the engine to overheat and melt.

night girder
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcanic_ash_and_aviation_safety#/media/File:DC-10-30_resting_on_its_tail_due_to_Pinatubo_ashfall.jpg

Volcanic ash and aviation safety

Plumes of volcanic ash near active volcanoes are a flight safety hazard, especially for night flights. Volcanic ash is hard and abrasive, and can quickly cause significant wear to propellers and turbocompressor blades, and scratch cockpit windows, impairing visibility. The ash contaminates fuel and water systems, can jam gears, and make engines ...

twin dew
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That specific case was much different.
And the engines restarted after getting out of the cloud.
Just at much worse power.

night girder
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That's one of the planes.

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It's the worst single thing I done this week. Watching videos of what can go wrong in airplanes 😂

twin dew
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But the problem for civil aviation is that even much lower concentrations destroy the engines.

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Not via sandblasting, but that melting of the ash.

night girder
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If I am not mistaken, it depends on the altitude. A volcano has two types of smoke. A dark one, and a white one. The dark is mostly just ash, rocks etc. And don't go up very high. The white smoke is the one that hit the airplane. It goes very high and spread far and wide.

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twin dew
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Because the turbine blades after the combustor have this kind of shit:

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twin dew
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Most don't.

night girder
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All I remember from the documentary is that there are two parts of smoke 😄

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With ofc, different elements in it. The glass is in the white smoke.

twin dew
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That specific icelandig eruption got it way up.
This recent one didn't.

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Which I talked about, that closed almost all european airspace for any flights for weeks/months.

night girder
twin dew
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Not for the turbine blades.

night girder
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But this is done briefly during lift off or other instances. To get more power.

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And it wastes a lot of oil, so you have a black plume when the plane lifts off.

twin dew
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No, that was just water injection.

jagged snow
twin dew
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No oil involved.

night girder
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It just spits it back out at the end.

twin dew
night girder
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Sorry, my bad 😄

twin dew
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You inject water after the compressor to cool the air, so the combustor can be run with more fuel without melting it or the turbine.

night girder
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In my language, we use those words interchangeable.

twin dew
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But then you lose lot of the extra fuel used to heat the water.

night girder
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Yup, pretty cool stuff 😄

jagged snow
night girder
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We have a lot of words that have so many meanings and are based on context.

twin dew
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But I'm off to bed, was planning to go hour ago already.

night girder
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Ah, ok. Good night 👋 🙂

tough owl
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That’s early

night girder
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for you maybe

tough owl
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Yea my day is half over

charred pewter
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it is half begun

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works great ...

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night girder
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slowmo camera?

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or photoshop?

charred pewter
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i came across that today when i was trying to see how i would get into the tire discount store tomorrow ... lol

night girder
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Wait. That thing is real?

charred pewter
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it was on google maps street view

edgy hazel
night girder
edgy hazel
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smallest american car

charred pewter
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lol

night girder
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Low FPS google street 😭

charred pewter
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ive seen some weird mashups on street view 😄

night girder
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I don't visit it that often

edgy hazel
charred pewter
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i do when im heading to something ive not been too before, and i kinda wan a mental picture of just how crazy the roads are near it

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"should i be heading this way on the road? does it even have a turn off?"

night girder
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Oh, yeah. That's when I use it too.

charred pewter
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i cant trust GPS to route me the right way into a parking lot around here lol too many medians or block walls

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my gps still doesnt realize there is a cut across a median getting in my mothers neighborhood .... it keeps trying to route me 2 miles out of my way around the back side 😄

night girder
charred pewter
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haha

night girder
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but I turn it on often because of traffic jams. Although I know the way.

charred pewter
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a couple places it wants me to turn and go a different road, but im like 'naw, im staying on this road till further down' ... and when i pass the turn, it 'recalculates' and then the 'estimated arrival time' lowers by a minute or two LOL

edgy hazel
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laughs in german

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night girder
tough owl
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No street view for you

night girder
edgy hazel
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NOOOO they allowed them back?

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well time to send in a request to blur my house again

tough owl
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😔

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Can’t have the dildo showing from the window

night girder
tough owl
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idk

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Maybe

night girder
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It's kinda cool to see the whole world.

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google street view spreads like a virus over it 😂

sharp oasis
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I just. I got a steal

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$370cdn, x570 mobo, ram, 5800x, and cooler.

edgy hazel
tough owl
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now i know to find the blurred house in germany and one of them ius yours

night girder
tough owl
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oh yea no problem

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ill get on that after I finish playing helldivers

edgy hazel
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yes the one house in a country that was infamous for blurrying so many houses that google just stopped doing it

night girder
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look at it, what is that? 30-40%?

dire igloo
# edgy hazel NOOOO they allowed them back?

Yeah, Google won some other court case.

Was a dope time, Google thought they won when a court ruled "streetview is allowed unless the residents make a petition to block it" - and then German paranoia hit

wary olive
jagged snow
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Odysseus successfully landed

languid gulch
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hopefully we'll get the images from the camera watching it land

twin dew
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😜

night girder
rustic panther
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Why would you be on f*ndom anyway when minecraft has a proper, independent wiki?

edgy hazel
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There are search filter extensions where you can block all fandom sites from appearing in search. Highly recommend it. Fandom is horrible

night girder
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I am so confused. I just had a website that was unable to load when I am on ethernet. But instant loads on wifi. And now the problem seems to be fixed for ethernet too.

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But I could visit other websites with ethernet. Almost as if the specific website was able to load on WIFI network but not ethernet network.