off-topic-tech

[twin dew]

And yes, it took some work to configure that with Debian.
Starting from installing on btrfs instead of ext4, and then adding and configuring extra package.

Some other distros do it by default.

[pure karma]

mistakes are part of learning

i know that saying fairly well.....

[dire igloo]

Do you know that moment in a project when you're realize it's a hopeless case, so you just abandon it and start a new one?

Unrelatedly, I have two younger siblings.

[edgy hazel]

Do you know that men snore because their body can't find another way to be annoying when asleep

[maiden coyote]

is the number of slots stored in the bios?

as in if I've got a motherboard with traces connected pads for 2 more slots, soldering two more in wouldn't work without a modified bios

well apparently someone has tried, and failed

forum.level1techs.com/t/unpopulated-dimm-slot-on-laptop-motherboard/173707/13 and hackaday.com/2021/07/08/hacked-on-so-dimm-slot-was-worth-a-shot/

[twin dew]

The comments on the hackaday post mention the resistors that would need to have been populated at minimum.

From someone with schematic for the MB.

[languid gulch]

my personal favorite was buying a 3200MHz kit of ddr4 & completely forgetting to check that it WASN'T running at 2133 for like a week

[maiden coyote]

There ain't really no telling if they were populated or not. I haven't looked at my board much more than it had tinned pads for 2 dimm sockets

Can't tell from the picture. He did mention it posted the first time he tried, and then he put heat to it again and it didn't post anymore.

Resistors are cheap enough, if they spent the time to put traces and pads for another socket there's a good chance they put the resistors on

[twin dew]

If the slots weren't there, why would the resistors needed for use of those slots in there either?

As in the PCB has the places for those, but they are most probably unpopulated too.

Because removal of installation of the resistors is small thing to do, and saves both component cost, and pick&place machine time.

[maiden coyote]

Because they're dirt cheap, and not having them may allow for induced currents on the traces that could cause other issues

[twin dew]

When the specific traces don't connect to anything at one end, and to CPU pins that are unused when the slot isn't in use at the other?

[maiden coyote]

The cpu pins on my board would be connected, it's an i5 that does support 4 slots.

Having voltage present on something that shouldn't have any can do wonky things. I'm not an EE. So I could be wrong.

[twin dew]

Yes, but what the traces state is isn't important when they aren't used.
And the CPU end will keep them in good enough control.

[maiden coyote]

I mean these are a little more expensive than I thought

[twin dew]

So the slot end termination resistors etc. don't need to be there.

[maiden coyote]

That's mouser prices though. I'd expect them to pay half at most as an OEM

I've seen board without stuff that have all of the supporting components, and I've seen it where there's nothing

[twin dew]

And then there is the pick&place machine time, optical inspection machine time, etc.

More frequent changing of component reels, and so on.

[maiden coyote]

I don't think they'd be worried about that

[twin dew]

Large scale manufacturing is absolutely worried about those.

[maiden coyote]

Not compared to the amount of shit already on the board, 10 resistors isn't going to have a meaningful cost saving

[jagged snow]

They will over 2m units

[languid gulch]

k, dumb question time. when it comes to water cooling both a cpu & gpu, & you had to do something like 2 separate rads of unequal size, is TDP the deciding factor as to which component would get the bigger rad? (i assume that would almost always mean the gpu gets the big one)

[jagged snow]

That's entirely dependant on loop layout
You can cool both with a single 360mm or 240mm rad, or with two 240s.

Optimally, your loop would look something like pump/res > cpu > rad > gpu > rad

[maiden coyote]

Sometimes they're there sometimes they're not. I can't know why

[jagged snow]

But that's not always possible

[languid gulch]

like i said, if you got stuck with some kind of weird-ass layout where one rad had to be bigger

[jagged snow]

Then yeah, whichever part had the higher tdp would benefit more from the rad with more dissipation capacity

[twin dew]

Extra work to make the variants and verifying that they work (upfront cost), vs. little more expensive "cheap" variants.

[languid gulch]

i have no idea if it exists, but something like a case where you could put 140mm wide stuff on the front, but to make room for the mobo connections it was only a 120mm width up top or something

[twin dew]

Upfront cost vs. per-unit cost optimizations in work.

[jagged snow]

There are plenty of cases that have room for a 360 in front but only a 240 on top

[twin dew]

So company, expected run-sizes etc.

[jagged snow]

That's a perfectly valid reason to use two differently-sized rads

[languid gulch]

width, not height

[jagged snow]

Yeah

It's more common to support wider stuff on top than in front

[languid gulch]

really?

[jagged snow]

In my experience, yeah

[languid gulch]

that seems counterintuitive

[jagged snow]

Lots of cases are set up for three 120s in front and two 140s on top

Mid tower anyways

If you go full tower they're sometimes 140 all around

[twin dew]

Or that the front can do 2x140 or 3x120.

[jagged snow]

Yeah, that too

[twin dew]

As there isn't enough height in the case to fit 3x140.

[edgy hazel]

90mm fan superiority

[tough owl]

herg are you going to buy those new fancy metal fans

[night girder]

it's a funny day when minecraft is more taxing on my rig than GW2 🤣 (to be fair, I am running optifine + some shaders, but nothing insane).

[pure karma]

minecraft brings any computer to its knees if you try hard enough 🤣

[night girder]

Yeah, it's making my PC crash 😂 (but the culprit is probably CPU dying)

[wary olive]

Anyone in here good with software/wifi stuff?

[jagged snow]

dontasktoask.com

But yes

[wary olive]

Ive been having problems with ping lately but only on my newly build pc. I have gigabit internet and on everything else I almost never have ping issues. Ive tried changing it to tell the router its a game console instead of a desktop pc and that didnt work (Xfinity). I tried changing the quality of service to prioritize my pc but my router doesnt have that option. I got no clue on what else I could try

Wifi connecter and not Ethernet

[charred pewter]

wait, you said xfinity ... well theres the problem.

everything behind their router in your house is prolly all 1ms to each other ... the issue is going from their equipment to their equipment further out (which is nothing you can fix)

BUT ...

you say it 'only' happens on the one machine, all your other machines you have no issues (im assuming you are trying ping tests to the same external destination)

[wary olive]

Yeah every other machine has fine ping including other consoles (ps5 phones tablets)

[charred pewter]

did you happen to try a different ethernet cable? (not meant to be funny)

[wary olive]

i dont use an ethernet cable (yet hopefully) Its just a wifi connecter that came with the motherboard I believe

[charred pewter]

hm, plug in the included antenna(s)?

wifi for me has always been very pingy... so i try to do wired at every possible point

i even ran a 100fot cable downstairs to my tv room switch to plug the tv/blueray/htpc in direct 😄

[wary olive]

I did for my last pc but this one is in a different spot so ethernet needs to be planned lmao

[wary olive]

Yep

[charred pewter]

could just be that board/controller ....

tried test-moving around (further, closer) just to test if its not something about where you have it ?

[wary olive]

I have. Im leaning on it being the connector/antenna

[charred pewter]

tbh i never put my motherboards included wifi to the test .... i used it to setup windows11 and once tht was installed, i plugged the fucker into the switch and forgot i had wifi built in 😄

[dire igloo]

the alphacool ones? he already has

[wary olive]

I mean fair enough tbh Im getting an ethernet cord soon anywyas

[tough owl]

I didnt know he bought them already

[charred pewter]

also..... are you talking like just sporadic pings from 10-30 jumpy... or did you mean like you are seeing 300ms+ (when your other devices are 20) ?

[wary olive]

Like consistent spikes (every 10-15 seconds) of 250ms+

[charred pewter]

hmm weird

[wary olive]

every other device runs around 10-30 consistent

[charred pewter]

do you have the duplex mode set to autonegotiate ? maybe force it to full duplax and see if it behaves better?

(is the duplex setting even present on wifi controllers?)

[dire igloo]

#off-topic-tech message

I assume that means "I ordered them and I'm waiting for them to ship"

[wary olive]

Thats an even better question

[charred pewter]

find your adaptor in Device Manager, then get properties on it, then click over the Advanced, and then find the duplex choice in the big list ... if it has it

my wifi adaptor does not have the choice... but my wired adaptor does

so that prolly wont help you...

[maiden coyote]

The system has found unauthorized changes on the firmware, operating system, or uefi drivers o.O

I guess I've done something this bios really does not like

[winged valley]

Either UEFI security violation you didn't account for or changed a monitored value

[wanton orchid]

did you give up networking then ?

[winged valley]

That's my guess

[maiden coyote]

The BIOS reset itself.. I know because Vt-d and virtualization was disabled. Not sure how or why that happened. I'm probably about to have a very buggy server.

so now it won't boot the OS.. which is fine.. I was going to reinstall it anyway before bringing it online.. setting up PCI passthrough again is going to suck

[tough owl]

we love burning a laptop cpu

[winged valley]

was this directed at me?

i completely forgor

[jagged snow]

Canada is trying to ban the flipper zero

[twin dew]

Because some representative has seen too many internet videos (real or not real) about how it can be used to steal cars...

When the device designers say that it shouldn't be able to do it for any car newer than from 90s or earlier, without separate extra hardware at minimum.

And when the stuff that the actual professional car thiefs use is completely separate.

[maiden coyote]

now this is a fan

well, I'm able to install drivers for my gpu on a windows guest, but I can't get the gpu to output a display to a monitor..

[edgy hazel]

Yes I got 3

[maiden coyote]

oh windows..

I wonder what I broke now. signing out/switching accounts makes it bluescreen without fail

[twin dew]

Whops, I installed Win11 22H2 and not the intended 23H2 January Update...
Loaded wrong ISO on the emulator.

Fortunately that is just test OS install.

Just means more updating.

[edgy hazel]

Ah don't worry. We all know that windows is very good at updating

[twin dew]

Didn't even give option to update to 23H2.
Had to start from the right install image.

IGP or something else isn't happy with some setting, and is causing the Windows to freeze up.
The system is active in the background as event logging is still running, but the monitor picture will freeze and the system doesn't shut down when pressing the power button like it should (short press to tell Windows to start shutting down normally).

[edgy hazel]

I still need to fix my disk situation. I had popOS originally set up to dualboot with windows, so I had to set up some weird partitions and all. But... I don't use windows anymore...

[twin dew]

Happened in Win10 when running TM5 but not otherwise (but monitor picture blibbed to black for one frame at times when RAM was under heavy load).
But in Win11 it was worse, so time to diagnose more.

So run TM5 until if freezes, change one RAM timing to auto, do it again, until it doesn't freeze anymore.
And then start reapplying the others.

But seems it might just be the RAM refresh rate settings?
tREFI and tRFCs.

Or tRAS and tRC that were way below what the common "theoretical minimum" was.

[twin dew]

Because that still caused differences in memory tests.

[edgy hazel]

man I'm learning so much stuff 😄

for example: if you enable a firewall on your server, make sure port 22 is still open after that

[twin dew]

tRAS 30 didn't work...
But the minimum that should ever be used in my system is 50 (which worked)...

40 didn't work, 46 at least worked at Windows Desktop when the system froze in that point in previous ones...
Lets go to 42 and start raising it from that.

44 seems to work.

[wanton orchid]

yes

[twin dew]

Seems that tRAS 44 with tRC 44 is stable in quick test.
When they "should" be 50-90 as minimum from the other timings.

[twin dew]

No, black screen when started moving mouse after a while.
While TM5 was running.

Case fans immediately went down to minimum speed too.

[rustic panther]

Don't forget, if you can hear it loud and clear it means its working!

[edgy hazel]

nginx is driving me nuts

[tough owl]

when isnt it driving you nuts

[twin dew]

No, tRC 50 isn't completely stable yet, got momentary black screen with it.
Haven't got one yet with 44-90.

[twin dew]

Got one quickly on 44-60...

[twin dew]

44-70 didn't work either.
So might be time to throw in the towel and go with the 50-90 that should be the actual reasonable use minimum anyways....

[twin dew]

And seems the first contender for firewall & HIPS solution will be ESET Home Security Essential.
Spyshelter has just fucked themselves by releasing new version as public beta, and stopped selling the older version.
And changing the pricing to be stupid, with just 2 computer or 25 computer prices, when I need 3 lisences.

And if the UI doesn't work for me, need to test the full Comodo suite next.

[pure karma]

atleast the background of the bsod isent your desktop .............

[edgy hazel]

the time I spent trying to fix nginx when it's just a webserver running dockerized without a WEBSERVER

[winged valley]

I don't really have the time to do it right now sorry

[winged valley]

ESET is pretty neat

[twin dew]

"Bad" results for antivirus detections on some tests, good in others.
But one of the few that seem to have the HIPS and firewall features I want (complete manual control).
Which are painted as bad thing in some of the reviews.

But need to check the UI for those HIPS and firewall popups.

[maiden coyote]

What do you mean?

It bsods if I tell it to shutdown or sign out

[pure karma]

you know its bad when the bsod stacks on top of windows instead of resulting from windows crashing

[edgy hazel]

bro got bsod themes

[pure karma]

alienware moment

[maiden coyote]

So apparently I installed the wrong passthrough drivers.. they worked, but they were for win2k something and not win10.. I wonder if that's why the system BSOD'd

so, to that, format and reinstall (:

[edgy hazel]

[charred pewter]

lol

[maiden coyote]

it lives.

[languid gulch]

ngl that looks like a better soldering job than i can do

[maiden coyote]

I'm not sure why it had a RF (channel 3) on a composite plug.. kind of strange. I guess maybe they had some kind of automatic switch that would switch the tv from cable to the atari when you turned it on

[cinder moon]

I can't see what justifies buying the WD here.

[rotund hamlet]

is the Toshiba model SMR?

[cinder moon]

It's CMR.

"• 22TB capacity
• Conventional Magnetic Recording (CMR) for broad compatibility"

[rotund hamlet]

hmmm odd

[cinder moon]

Yeah. Consumer vs cloud drive, seems like the cloud drive would be vastly better for consumers too.

A 5-year warranty on the Toshiba too..

[jagged snow]

Yeah, I'd go with the Toshiba there for sure

[languid gulch]

ok speaking of large spinning rust, got a dumb question

sata power & data, what's the 3rd connector on them

[jagged snow]

They're jumpers, if you're talking about what I think you are

Typically only found on hdds

Can allow for settings like low-power spinup

Iirc the rps is mostly used to allow for USB compatibility

[languid gulch]

yea this one

[twin dew]

Also some HDD:s have com-port access there for debug console access.
Rescued one drive with broken firmware via that.

Some drive in the past had firmware bug that bricked the drive when it had been on for long enough in total time.
But you could recover it to operating status with that access.

[twin dew]

Also I bit the bullet and ordered Radeon RX6600 for 230e to replace my current RX580...
Hoping I have to use it for only half a year or so before I can gift it forward in family.

Next option would have been RX7600 for 300e.

[twin dew]

And on ESET, at least the firewall dialog is pretty good.
The rules management is somewhat bad, with entry per rule, in creation order, not grouped by program.
And no program profile support.

Network profile support is good, and the way it can set the program info the rule will apply to is good.

[twin dew]

Same with HIPS side.

So the parts of the UI to create rules are good.
The parts to manage rules after their creation are bad.

But I think I can live with ESET.
But need to do full trial config first.

HIPS side allows for wildcards in middle, so you can edit the rules for programs that version their install directory to match one rule.
And Firewall side supports Store Apps (which are the worst offenders of the previous) natively.

No, HIPS threw an error after saving the rules completely after that wildcard edit...

So currently wildcard can only be for the specific folder slot, so something\*\something,
Not something\something*something\something.

[languid gulch]

think you made a good call with going with the 6600, while the price increase matches the performance increase, it feels like the 7600 is right at the bottom of the next tier up, & at the point it'd be worth making a more significant jump. this was you can put that cash towards something else

[twin dew]

6600 and 7600 would have had pretty much same price to performance with the TechPowerup simplified scaling number.

[languid gulch]

yea basically

but also for around that price you could hunt down a 6700XT

bump up to 12gb vram

[twin dew]

Starting from 390e for new here in Finland.

Sorry, 6700XT not available at all, that was for 6750XT.

[languid gulch]

ouchie, but maybe even worth it in the long run. idk why, but it really does seem like phat vram is the future

[twin dew]

Yeah, but hoping this will be just 6-12 month stopgap.-

[languid gulch]

oh definitely

also what i've learned is that while being able to put settings to max on everything is fun, there's a lot of games from the past couple years where even keeping everything on low, but cranking draw distance still looks plenty good

or maybe that's just me being old & remembering garbage textures from the past

[twin dew]

And that is still 68% uplift from the current GPU.
And I can replace Radeon 280 in relatives computer with the 580 (after possible fan swap).

[languid gulch]

wow a 280

[twin dew]

And the 6600 is destined to go there if I can get the real upgrade.

[languid gulch]

definitely jumping a tier up on 2 systems, nicely done

[twin dew]

Perfectly fine for Fortnite and Minecraft.

And it was free.

[languid gulch]

6600 is basically an AMD 1080 that's 100W lower TDP

[twin dew]

And the 6600 will be perfectly fine for Satisfactory at Full-HD.
And can run (almost?) all current games to playable degree.

[languid gulch]

oh 100%

at least at a bit above minimum

so long as you're not trying to do 240Hz

[twin dew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj-wZ_KGcsg

[cyan crescent]

Rn my 7600x holds stable at 5.1GHz 1.32v all core. Wanna see if i can lower the voltage a bit to improve temps

Cant figure out how to lock cores to 5.1GHz

[charred pewter]

so after two weeks of back n forth with the canned responses from ubisoft on the 'corrupted savedgame' .... they spit the same canned response they started the ticket out with, asking for which game I'm writing in about, what platform, etc. 🤦 I responded back "Ok, this confirms it.... ubisoft support has been turned over to ChatGPT." and closed the ticket

[twin dew]

And for the important question:
Why is Windows 11 Photos app opening every fucking file in C:\Windows\Inf for writing when it starts?
At least for .inf and .pnf files.

[sharp oasis]

I'm very glad I replaced my mobo. Testing the 5900x open air with a thermal camera showed the vrms were getting hotter then the cpu die at full load (tested with a Deepcool AK620) CPU was hitting 82c vrms were measured at 91c

Sure that's within area of operation for the mosfets still quite hot

[twin dew]

Thermal cam readings are complete crap if it isn't calibrated for the exact material being looked into.

And 91C for VRM is perfectly fine.

[sharp oasis]

I tryed to have it calibrated for the aluminum heatsink that's on top of the vrms.

[twin dew]

And any shiny surface is always a problem.
So adding black tape or like would help on that.

[sharp oasis]

The heatsink is painted flat black from factory

[twin dew]

So pretty close to optimum surface, still needs that emissivity setting for the point being measured.

[sharp oasis]

I'll check calibration and try again later today

[twin dew]

FLIRs site tells: put black electrical tape on the part, wait for it to equalize and use 0.95 XD

For emissivity.

[twin dew]

Anyways, the weird steps I'm going to be taking next week.

First get the ESET set up and trained for basic Win11 23H2 system on the new computer with throwaway OS.
Make saved config to use as base on later three setups.

Install Win11 with CPU list bypass on my laptop.
Set it up.
Move browser settings and profiles etc. to that from old main computer.
Check ALL the stuff I can find and document what settings changes I want to do in Group Policy, various other Windows settings etc. for the later two Win11 installs.

Backup things from old systems SSD RAID-1 to HDD RAID-1 and set permissions for the files on the HDD partitions to not be restrictive.

Remove the new system from secondary system case.
Remove the old system from primary system case.
Build the old system in secondary system case with another separate SATA SSD as storage.
Install Win11 with CPU and TPM bypasses (TPM 1.2 available like is needed, just no 2.0 like is required).
Set it up.
Move browser settings and profiles etc. to that from the laptop.

Build the new system in the primary case.
Put one of the old SSDs into the new system, leave the other one untouched for now as safety measure and backup.
Install Win11 on the new system with the single SSD set up to be ready to be converted into RAID-1 again (in addition to the new NVMe drives and new HDDs already in RAID-1s).
Set it up.
Move browser settings and profiles etc. to that from the old systems new OS.
Connect one of the old HDDs to the new system temporarily and copy all the stuff over.

Once everything is checked to be right and in place, connect the second SATA SSD and convert the pair to RAID-1.

Too much work coming...

[visual tree]

Wish I had an 8K tv to watch this video 😭 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_toA8lErAHg

Looks impressive even on 1080p

[languid gulch]

good lord that's incredible

stationary it's passable as real even at 1440p

[sharp oasis]

That looks like real. Wtf.

Sheessh

[languid gulch]

i live in that exact desert landscape they're trying to emulate so it completely falls apart there for me 🤣

[sharp oasis]

Ahh

[languid gulch]

but yea the stills are scary

[fringe ivy]

Aside from some incorrect shadow casting, it looked pretty convincing.

[languid gulch]

the camera shaking feels off

[sharp oasis]

We may get close to mini king reality with cg

Mimicing*

[fringe ivy]

I am still waiting for my holodeck.

[languid gulch]

lol

[visual tree]

Oh, you reminded me I could borrow my dad's tablet. I think it has 1400p

[sharp oasis]

My phone is 1080 ish p

Iirc 1080x2400

[visual tree]

We all know what holodecks would be used for if they were actually invented lol

[rotund hamlet]

that's pretty good - it's about on the level of film CG

[hallow hamlet]

IS there any way to play this on mac?

[fringe ivy]

Playonmac

[hallow hamlet]

wont work on mine it gets stuck on installing something

[fringe ivy]

Check their forums with Steam issues.

[hallow hamlet]

No I mean for anything, not just steam

[fringe ivy]

Sounds like you missed a step through setup. They will know more about their software. Likely something to check in the logs.

[stray badger]

Mac moment

[stray badger]

Is this modded or just max settings?

[visual tree]

Looks like graphics mod

• plus some expensive gaming hardware

[edgy hazel]

I assume it's just cranked to the max with RT + reshade

reshade is the worst product known to man, but it definitly helps with making light look really really real

[stray badger]

What is wrong with reshade?

Also, reshade itself doesnt do anything. Reshade shaders are what actually do things (glorified post processing)

[edgy hazel]

reshade is basically the same as early minecraft shaders. Look really nice, but fucks your PC up

[wanton orchid]

completly thrown off by the "camera movements" that are absolutly unreal

[visual tree]

Yeah, the camera is stuttering when slowly moving

[edgy hazel]

while it's still running on this:

reshade : )

I figured out a d12 is the best spinning die

also we finally finished our one-shot dnd session

only took four sessions

five*

[rotund hull]

is it safe to store some desktops in a shed?
it doesnt get colder than -30c in the winter, and i live in a very dry place

[edgy hazel]

no

[rotund hull]

why

[edgy hazel]

wanna have spiders in your PC? Wanna get some mice to nibble on your PSU cables?

also "very dry place" is super objective. For a week? Sure. A month? Got it. A year? nah season will fuck that shit up

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-cozy-comphy-pillow-gif-26168770

they look so comfy

[winged valley]

That doesn't look healthy

Unrelated note - Anyone know of good places to find broken laptops/boards? Ebay is a nightmare to find stuff to fix and flip on because there's 900 gorillion different models

I wonder if its worth it to go to a pawn shop

[gilded helm]

If you're after one particular board, pawn shops are going to be useless.

[winged valley]

No particular board in mind

Really just anything I can buy super cheap bc it doesn't power on etc and flip it

[languid gulch]

my only experience with that kind of repair was dell doing shit soldering on my first laptop, having a class action lawsuit about it, settling it without admitting fault, then sending out $10 rebates on $700 board replacements

[gilded helm]

That might cover the shipping cost, generous!

[twin dew]

DO NOT WANT!

I just want to use the new computer without doing any of the work necessary to get it to usable state 🥹

[languid gulch]

why i'm not overly interested in anything too creative when it comes to computers 🤣

i love the idea of doing things like expanded networking for the house, but i know it'd probably be way too much of a pain to get going & maintain

[twin dew]

And ESET SSL MITM disabled...
Yes, it would in theory allow for early detection of bad stuff, but it also has in past allowed bad stuff to happen when the MITM code had bugs.

Same for the Browser protection stuff, as the extension was doing insane stuff in HIPS side and I would have had to allow the browser to do things I didn't want Browser to do.

[pure karma]

windows dident just do what i think they did did they?

yup here we go again

[mental oriole]

There should be a setting to disable co-pilot.

[winged valley]

There is

Taskbar settings

Its not a background program

Also you van uninstall it

[pure karma]

you can uninstall it but its work that i shouldent have to do

guess its gonna end up in the same hellhole as cortana uninstalled and sent to hell

[edgy hazel]

It's literally just a browser window

It's not a program you have to uninstall. Just disable it

[twin dew]

So many programs (including lot of Windows base) opening files in Read-Write mode when they only need to read...

When MMC (Microsoft Management Console) opens some specific MSC (like Device Manager etc.) it opens the .msc file in write mode for some stupid reason...

If the HIPS denies that write side, it doesn't care, but it tries to open the stuff in write mode..

[pure karma]

gotta love the laptop lifestyle 4gb of ram 2gb of it is used for the Igpu 2gb left 1gb of that windows steals.... your left whit 1gb for apps XD

[twin dew]

Why is the IGP using 2GB?
Bad config in BIOS?

[maiden coyote]

Yay, i get to fix a computer that is "slow and the wifi doesn't work'

I had an issue with intel wlan cards and windows 11.. They worked before updating but not after. I hope this isn't the same thing or there's a working driver for them now

[dire igloo]

fairly certain it's a Win11 upgrade issue

there's a reason why it's recommended to do a clean install

[sharp oasis]

@twin dew random question could I cluster two separate machines into one to have their cpu power somewhat combined.

Say like two separate 5600s clustered together to get a total of 12 cores and 32gb ram

I know it would be incredibly latent transferring data over say ethernet.

[fringe ivy]

You should check into a Beowulf cluster.

"Parallel Cluster (Beowulf)

The Parallel Cluster is a bit different than the others. Instead of clusters acting as one which is located far apart, the Parallel Cluster makes multiple systems act more like one large system of processing resources. Without getting into programming, the application must be written in such a way as to allow multiprocessing."

[sharp oasis]

I also did a quick search I can do it but I need to bridge the systems by Pcie to try to get a decent rate of speed. So probably getting two Gen4 boards and seeing if I can link them both on a X16 slot

[fringe ivy]

You could use fiber channel

[sharp oasis]

That would work as well. But I do think a riser cable is a bit easyer to work with. As I have two Gen 4 boards and 64GB/s is more then enough bandwith.

[sand saddle]

Ah yes, free calculator app

[tough owl]

809 partners sheesh

[sand saddle]

I just downloaded another app

[night girder]

This is nice to see. Obligated to tell users how many partners access there information.

[sand saddle]

Apple privacy is quite nice

[night girder]

Agree. I've seen it somewhere else. I remember because I was also a bit shocked of the amount of partners. Not near 809 though.

I think it was in a cookie pop-up somewhere, needless to say; I clicked "reject all" 😂

[sand saddle]

What's funny is that it's a fucking calculator app out of all things

The integrated calculator doesn't have history so it's a straight no from me

[night girder]

My guess. They partnered up with a company, who has 809 partners. Like, you contact a company and say you want to sell data. And they give you 809 other "partners" willing to buy data.

[sand saddle]

Probably

[night girder]

A middle between company. No freaking way a calculator app has 809 partners. Unless it's made by a big company.

My hunch, I think they made the calculator app to get data from users tbh 😄

[fringe ivy]

My favorite thing about Android is I can deny permissions at the OS level, like the ability to access the internet.

[night girder]

not because they wanted to make a good free calculalator 😛

[pure karma]

because it uses up to 2gb and often does

it just usses normal ram because it dosent have any dedicated ram like some IGPU's in laptops

the nice thing about it tho is you can run dual channel ram at whatever speed you can get your hands on

[jagged snow]

That moment when a financial institution touting their security uses sms 2fa by default

[night girder]

They should be humble.

[jagged snow]

What do you mean by that?

[night girder]

personally, I wouldn't boast about security. Because you are never that secure.

[jagged snow]

Oh yeah, they'd be ruined after a single major problem

Not to mention the fact that my bank still supports sms and email only for 2fa

No ability to use my yubikey or authenticator app

[visual tree]

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1am1amc/33_million_people_in_france_have_data_stolen_in/ 💀

[jagged snow]

Ouch, that's a fair few

[visual tree]

"Over 33 million people - just under half of the French population - were affected by the data leak, which included details like "the marital status, date of birth and social security number, the name of the health insurer and the cover provided by the policy" of the individuals impacted, according to the French data protection authority (CNIL)."

[jagged snow]

That's almost as bad as the MoveIT leaks in the US

[visual tree]

I hope you can't abuse social security number in France....

[night girder]

sure there are ways

[visual tree]

I heard if someone steals your SSN in USA, you are in big trouble

[jagged snow]

Yeah, it's not good

Funnily enough, they promised that they wouldn't use ssn for any sort of personal identification when they introduced it...

[night girder]

if they, is the goverment. What did you expect?

[visual tree]

Here, we don't have social security number but rather personal identification number and its only used for identification. If someone stole your personal identification number, they can't do anything with it

But if they stole your ID number, you are in big trouble

[jagged snow]

In the US, someone with your social security number can go as far as taking out fraudulent loans or filing taxes under your name

[visual tree]

Here, criminals will try to obtain a scan of your ID or ID number since they could do a lot of bad things with it

[maiden coyote]

So what, I have to tell them I can't fix their OS without wiping all their shit? :/

[night girder]

most stupid thing is, goverments are pushign for more personal information in databases.

[dire igloo]

Back up their shit

[jagged snow]

You can use the fresh start feature in windows to completely reinstall windows but keep the personal files

But you should back everything up anyways

[dire igloo]

Which also isn't a proper fresh install

[night girder]

One hand they say they are concerned about citizens privacy, other hand they are hoarding. They can hoard, aslong it's not a big tech-company.

but then they get hacked and we get stupid shit.

[dire igloo]

Just make a backup, wipe the shit, reinstall from a clean slate

[jagged snow]

There is an option to fully reinstall windows. Download from scratch.

But yeah, reinstall is still the better way to go

[maiden coyote]

That's less than ideal. but if that's what I have to do.. I can explain that to my customer that's the best course of action. They'll more than likely be getting me to install an ssd for the boot drive, as I'm pretty sure the machine has a HDD anyway.

[dire igloo]

Just use media creation tool, nothing baked into the OS

[visual tree]

At this point, I think more than half of world population is going to get their data exposed in some way by 2030 (if it already isn't the case)....

[dire igloo]

Exposed data can't be sold

[jagged snow]

I had my full name, financial status, ssn, and quite a bit of other stuff leaked.

[maiden coyote]

I got like $800 from the class action against capitol one for their data leak.

[night girder]

some provincial database in Belgium got hacked a while back.

[maiden coyote]

if they get hacked or leak infomation. sue them.

[night girder]

311.000 social security numbers out there in the wild. Thanks goverment.

[visual tree]

My whole family personal data (name and surname, address and phone number) got leaked somehow

I suspect it's because of major ISP data breach that happened few years ago

[maiden coyote]

not the best solution.. but sadly about the only thing you can do is sue and maybe these companies will take notice.

[night girder]

Yeah, if it's a company you can sue them.

If it's a goverment you can't really.

[maiden coyote]

you're pretty much sol then :/

[night girder]

Yup, even if you win vs goverment. That money is coming from other citizens. Feels crap.

and they just continue doing nothing about security.

[jagged snow]

Only thing you can do is vote 🤷‍♂️

And it you're really upset about it, get involved personally

[visual tree]

Worst case is when multiple data leaks happen and you can exactly prove who is responsible

[night girder]

Yeah, you could play the game and vote. But game is pretty much rigged too 😂

[jagged snow]

Yeah... it always feels that way. Democracy is a true compromise, nobody is happy 🤣

[night girder]

Best thing to do I believe right now, is be fluid with your information. Change passwords often. Use different street names and villages for websites you don't trust etc.

but it's so frustrating, because the goverment is the one body that can literally force you to give correct information.

[visual tree]

I wish my bank had disposable virtual cards which can only be used once like on Revolut

[night girder]

and all you can do, is pray that the information is secured.

[night girder]

Why does that sound like a major security risk? 😄 (remember prepaid phonecards? They are forbidden in a lot of countries now because of terrorism).

[jagged snow]

It's actually a pretty handy feature

[visual tree]

I mean, you get a virtual card number and you can only use it once

[jagged snow]

If you don't trust the site, you can create a card with the exact balance you need and just use it once

[visual tree]

If someone steals that card number, they can't use it anymore

[night girder]

Oh like that. But doesn't it also mean people with bad intentions can use it too?

[jagged snow]

More than likely

But it's not anonymous like a prepaid phone plan would be

Since it's still tied to your bank account

[night girder]

Gotcha. Yeah, I was thinking of that haha 😄

Like make an account online. Put some money on it. And then get prepaid card online.

[visual tree]

help.revolut.com/help/cards/card-order/getting-a-virtual-cad/what-is-a-disposable-virtual-card/

[jagged snow]

Not for a very very long time

Just like with ipv6, that's pretty inconcievable

[night girder]

Just add more numbers

That's what we started to do with the license plates.

We added 1 - XXX XXX now. I believe we are at 2 - XXX XXX now.

But yeah, those cards that you can charge with money is leggit.

[visual tree]

Gmail just marked an email I got from Google as a spam 🤣

[night girder]

I mean, you lose a bit of convenience for security, which always seems to be the case with security. You used to open your front door of the house without a key. And then they added locks, so you need to do one extra step to get into your house.

[night girder]

check if it's really from google?

[visual tree]

[e-mail]

Seems legit

Not sure about dpd but I recently noticed a lot of legit mails are marked as spam

Even Google is trying to tell Google to stop spamming lol

[night girder]

Imagine that gmail spam filter is also an AI 😂

one AI blocking another one rofl

I am more of the "don't come to me, I'll come to you if I need any of your services".

So don't bother me is the short of it 😄

I blocked emails from Apple. They keep spamming me my icloud is full.

"Did you know you can upgrade your iCloud?" ... Yes... I know. Now 🖕 off.

[visual tree]

Just got this on my tablet from Google, is this like a software alternative to yubikey or what?

[night girder]

yubi supports FIDO

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIDO_Alliance

www.yubico.com/blog/what-is-fido2/ if you are interested to know more 😄

[visual tree]

I am asking because I was considering buying yubikey but not sure if it's worth it since I guess websites would need to support it

[night girder]

more and more websites are supporting it, it's slow.

@jagged snow just said he had a yubikey.

So he should know more where they work 😄

but yeah, it's like 2FA, it rolls out really slow.

because websites need to implement it and there is nothing Yubi can do about it.

[jagged snow]

What was the question in particular?

[night girder]

👆

[jagged snow]

I have been a little disappointed with what individual services support it. However, google and microsoft both support using yubikey for sso, which is my primary use. It lets me use my google account for all of my random accounts and then I can use the yubikey to authenticate all of them.

[night girder]

www.yubico.com/works-with-yubikey/catalog/?sort=popular (here is a catalog, forgot they had it)

[jagged snow]

In that respect, it's pretty good. The only service that I can think of off the top of my head that supports it directly is github, where I use it as a single factor for sign on

Oh right, I also use it for my password manager

I use duo authenticator for all of my 2fa needs that don't support sso or yubikey

[night girder]

But yeah, the big ones seems to be Google, AWS, Apple, 1password / lastpass..., X (Twitter), ...

They say YouTube too. But that's a bit misleading since youtube is Google. And Google was already mentioned

a bit suprised to see epic games, but not steam.

Ah, steam has their own authenticator with their app.

[jagged snow]

Steam is very intent of forcing you into using their mobile app for auth

[night girder]

Yes, exactly.

[jagged snow]

I hate it, the ux is terrible and I really dislike needing to have another app for just one service

[night girder]

I never use the app. Except for 2FA.

[jagged snow]

I never have either

[night girder]

I mean, it's stupid. Rather have a yubico.

[jagged snow]

I held off on installing the app for a long time because I disliked it so much

[night girder]

Now I have 3-5 apps for 2FA.

Blizzard has one too.

[jagged snow]

Oh, that's frustrating

As do I

I'm not a fan of entrusting that much to google or ms

I'd much prefer if there was an open-source sso implementation that I could self-host

My quest to de-google my life is going to be somewhat stymied by sso

[visual tree]

Guess I could get a yubikey for password managers

In case I somehow forget master password lol

[jagged snow]

Yubikey is a candidate for single-factor authentication

I have a few services configured so that I can use either just the yubikey or a password and 2fa app combo

[maiden coyote]

So if yubikey goes down, do you lose acess to those services?

[jagged snow]

Nope

It's entirely hardware-based

[maiden coyote]

Is it like Googles pw manger where it gives you a super strong password?

[jagged snow]

Not really
It uses some very fancy algorithms that are as of yet completely unbeatable to verify that it's actually that specific hardware key

[maiden coyote]

So yubis servers have nothing to do with you logging in?

[jagged snow]

Nope

[jagged snow]

It also supports the ability to set a pin that's stored on the key for an extra layer of security

[jagged snow]

As I said, it's entirely hardware based. You can use it to log into offline applications like a local password manager just fine

[maiden coyote]

That's neat

I've always trusted a strong password, and my notebook lol

[jagged snow]

I do recommend that you purchase two of them, and use one as a backup. Whenever you configure a service, set it up with both of them so that if one ever gets lost or damaged, you still have access to everything

My workaround to that approch with pw+2fa as alternative sign in is passable but technically not as secure

[maiden coyote]

If you break into my house and get my notebook and I'm not home to provide free lead, well I've got more problems than compromised passwords

[night girder]

think there is a higher chance of getting hacked than a burglary

[maiden coyote]

I haven't really setup anything with 2fa, and that's probably on my list

[night girder]

aand you got yubi with fingerprint

[jagged snow]

I'd absolutely reccomend it

[maiden coyote]

Oh forsure.. although my neighborhood is more hood than neighborly.

[night girder]

Ok, maybe different for you then 😂

[jagged snow]

IMO you may as well just use yubi with integrated pin for the price difference

[maiden coyote]

I've got my bank on 2fa and Google has my phone number. That's about it

[jagged snow]

Is it really worth paying almost 5x the price for the exact same functionality?

[night girder]

integrated pin? you mean password?

[jagged snow]

The chance that someone steals your yubikey and brute-forces your 5 character pin is probably lower than the chance of them mugging you and forcing you to use your fingerprint to authenticate

[maiden coyote]

Fingerprint seems decently secure? Or it's at least easy to use

[night girder]

a 4 pin sounds easy to hack 😂

[jagged snow]

No. Yubikeys also support the ability to require a pin when you authenticate

[night girder]

So if someone finds the key, they can just start brute forcing it? 😒

[jagged snow]

It's stored on the key and is a good protection against someone stealing your physical key

[jagged snow]

In theory, but almost any service you'd be logging into with a yubikey would have brute force protection

[night girder]

that's why I have a dog 😉 See. I am prepared haha 😄

[night girder]

And that's when fingerprint comes into play 🙂

[jagged snow]

I have my key configured with a pin for services where I use it as the only factor, and without a pin when it's a 2nd factor

[jagged snow]

As I said, the chances that somebody brute-forces that pin are probably lower than the chance that they force you to put your thumb on the yubikey

[maiden coyote]

4 digit pin sends like enough to keep your phone safe. Most threats seem like they're targeted against the service rather than the user

[night girder]

I mean, fingerprint is good for now. Untill someome clever finds a way to hack it.

[maiden coyote]

I'm not sure who was hacked for "the fappening" leak

[jagged snow]

Yubikey is 6-digit pin

[fringe ivy]

Glass you have touched, tape, superglue

[jagged snow]

So 10^6 combinations(1 mil)

[night girder]

yeah, I mean digitally. Every device that uses fingerprint, creates an actual weakness and a way to capture fingerprint data 😂

and more and more devices use fingerprint. Just something that popped into my mind.

[jagged snow]

I'm actually not a huge fan of fingerprint readers because I tend to damage mine

[night girder]

honestly, I kinda wish yubico became maintstream

[jagged snow]

Oh wait
That's minimum, it supports up to 63 alphanumeric characters

[jagged snow]

So that's a theoretical maximum of 36^63

[night girder]

that's why I was thinking 4 is weak. Would have surprised me if Yubico went with 4 pin.

[sand saddle]

Any of you know acceptable remote desktop programs that are compatible with a phone? I mean there are a few, but maybe someone knows one that's better than the rest.

[jagged snow]

I'm a big fan of parsec

iirc anydesk also has a mobile client

[maiden coyote]

Microsoft remote desktop?

[jagged snow]

that's correct

just alphanum

[maiden coyote]

RD client

[fringe ivy]

Chrome remote for a quick home-use, but Parsec is definitely better.

[maiden coyote]

This is what I use. It's decent. I haven't tried parsec

[fringe ivy]

Microsoft RDP is somewhat insecure.

[maiden coyote]

I think rdp only works if you're in the same network

Or that's how mine is setup.. if I'm not home I have to be connected to my VPN

[stable bane]

Do I get the game

[fringe ivy]

RDP can work in certain situations if it is setup correctly through VPN. Assuming the VPN is correctly setup

[jagged snow]

#satisfactory

[sand saddle]

Damn I get so mad at any software listing intel/ryzen 3/5/7 as minimum/recommended without mentioning models/generations

[maiden coyote]

If you need a remote desktop through wan Google remote desktop is easiest

But if you've got a VPN setup on your home network, rd client works fine

[jagged snow]

That frustrates me

I saw someone list it as "a dedicated gpu"

Just out of spite I tried it with a gtx 260

I did not in fact work

[tough owl]

1300x best ryzen

[fringe ivy]

Intel Pentium 3 500 MHz, 128 MB SDRAM, Voodoo 3-3000.

[jagged snow]

I might be able to top that

IIRC I have a few pentiums from the gen before that

[fringe ivy]

That was my rig in 99 I think

[stray badger]

I have an athlon64 lying around

[jagged snow]

Pentium 3 released in 99

So mine are probably the same

Ah, nope

[fringe ivy]

I worked my tail off for it.

[jagged snow]

Mine are netburst

So they would've been more like '02

It relased in '99 and the first chips with hyperthreading came out less than two years later

[fringe ivy]

I made it work for a while. Ran Windows 2000 Pro on it until XP came out and I built another one.

[tough owl]

I have some old macs with pre intel cpus

[tough owl]

makin my way downtown

Walking fast, faces pass and I'm homebound

[maiden coyote]

I had an old Mac. Wasn't it powerpc?

Similar to arm processors we use now in everything, and soon they'll probably be in desktops too

[tough owl]

motorola too

from 83 to 91

[jagged snow]

That song...

[tough owl]

https://tenor.com/view/miss-you-terry-crews-and-i-need-you-singing-gif-11786829

[languid gulch]

critical role wants a word

[sand saddle]

Downloaded moonlight, needs nvidia gpu, but it works well.

[plucky nest]

RDP is awesome lol

[maiden coyote]

Rdp "just works"

[jagged snow]

Intel's new naming scheme is worse than what they had before, but I think it's still better than amd's new system

I dislike the fact that a 135H is slower than a 125U

And a 125H is almost twice as fast as a 125U

[tough owl]

We love confusing the customer so they buy the worse item

[maiden coyote]

How is that better than amd's system?

7600 > 7400. and both are newer than a 5700

[gilded helm]

XTX and XT is another head scratcher for this generation. But that's still not as bad as Nvidia's unlaunching, then showing they learned nothing by releasing the 3060 8 GB.

[languid gulch]

XTXTiSuper

[languid gulch]

Intel's so hurting for cash that they're making an intentionally even more confusing naming scheme to force people to go to their site to decode it in order to drive ad traffic

[jagged snow]

Have you not seen the new system?

[winged valley]

I have a very specific question nobodyu has been able to answer

[jagged snow]

What's the question?

[winged valley]

Let's say you have the standard for 315 ball TFBGA LPDDR5

Lets say both Micron and Hynix make it

Assuming all the voltage values are the same between both brands, would I reasonably be able to expect chips from Micron to work on a board designed for Hynix

Or would the pinout be different because the only standard part is the LPDDR5 technology foundation

[jagged snow]

Probably
As long as all the chips are the same

[winged valley]

The same as in same voltage and amount of balls?

[jagged snow]

One sec

www.micron.com/products/dram/lpdram/lpddr5
product.skhynix.com/products/dram/lpddr/lpddr5.go

[winged valley]

Considering these are links to datasheets

I assume you want me to compare pinouts?

[jagged snow]

Was going to reccomend, but it doesn't appear that either manufacturer specifies

[winged valley]

I know micron does but you have to dig deep and they only give access to people in the industry or academics

(apparently repair is a valid credential bc they let me in lol)

[jagged snow]

And my understanding is that there is very little in the way of requirements for pinout on the ic

So I'm going to revise my earlier statement and go with probably not

[winged valley]

I wonder if RRG knows

I'll try emailing him lol

[jagged snow]

I know a few guys that are more knowledgeable than me, I'll ask them real quick

[winged valley]

thanks

[jagged snow]

@winged valley

Pinout is on 16

[winged valley]

What about hynix?

[jagged snow]

Unsure

Is that the one you already found?

[winged valley]

A version yes

[jagged snow]

Yeah, I'm not having any luck with hynix at a glance and don't really have time to dig more

[twin dew]

The IGP should only need about 256MB or less of RAM for Windows desktop usage.
And the RAM used by IGP in dynamic mode isn't really shown as "lost".
If the OS is showing that it only has 2GB to use, and IGP is marked as having 2GB dedicated, then it is BIOS setting problem.

[winged valley]

That's a BIOS issue? I thought you could allocate it in windows?

[twin dew]

They are completely interchangeable, IF the BIOS isn't setting latencies that only one can do.
Both will support JEDEC standard ones, but BIOS can set tighter.

[winged valley]

Thank you

[twin dew]

With caviat that I might be wrong, but AFAIK LPDDR is standardized to same level as normal DDR is, which is complete interchangeability of chips with same form factor, only limited to the speed grade etc.

And the differences only come into play when you go into OC territory (which almost all consumer DIMMs are in)

[sand saddle]

Iphone battery in cold temperatures is a joke lmao

Maybe not the battery itself, but the sensor definitely

Watched it go down from 22 real time, but it’s actually much higher than 22 or 1 for that matter

[twin dew]

Li-Ion current giving capacity goes down after 0 C.
And the voltage droops.

Detection of the "battery is empty" is based on voltage.

Most off the way for the battery gauge is just current tracking.
But the low end is based on voltage.

Same for very highest end.
Just that with Li-Ion and derivatives, for most of the middle the voltage is static.

Except for those temperature effects to it.

[sand saddle]

But I only see it happening to Iphones. I guess other phones have the sensor closer to heat sources like the cpu.

[twin dew]

It is about the battery temperature, not voltage sensor temperature.

[sand saddle]

Then ig the other phones run hotter internally, idk.

It’s not even below freezing for my phone

[twin dew]

Or have temperature compensation in mix.
Measuring the battery temperature for safety purposes and using that measurement for the voltage interpretation?

[sand saddle]

Maybe

[twin dew]

Then it is weird... Because above freezing, it shouldn't really matter AFAIK.

[sand saddle]

Like sure, outside temp is a little below freezing, but I can already see the battery start fucking with me at like 10C or smth

Can’t say the temp for sure, cuz the phone is nearly never at outside temp. If it’s in my pocket my thigh is heating it and if it’s in my hand the phone is working so it’s generating heat itself.

Looking at the 1% is quite triggering considering it’s actually at 50%+

[twin dew]

How do you know it is actually 50+%?

Because anything between (10-20) - (80-90) % is just guess by the device trying to calculate based on what it expects the total battery capacity to be, and by trying to track the power usage.

[jagged snow]

To an extent, the voltage curve isn't perfectly flat there

[twin dew]

The middle part is so flat that the uncertainties are larger than the change.
So it cannot be used.

Try to use that middle for anything?
When the current draw etc. will cause larger swings from resistances than the actual battery voltage change.

And you never go anywhere near that 0% true SOC, as hitting it will kill the battery, and possibly cause a fire.

First time you hit it.

Same at the high end, charging to true 100% charge causes many times more degradation to the battery than little less.
So for electric cars for example, the car might only charge up to 90% true, and use 20% true as "0%".

Phones and laptops do it closer to the true, but still not exact to it.

Ok, there was difference in the curve even above 0C, just that the changes are much smaller.
And note that this is at specific discharge rate, that affects things too.

LiFePo seems to have more usable voltage drop when not at very high discharge rate.

[sand saddle]

I had just charged it recently and wasn’t using it intensively

Fyi, I’m not inside and it’s still at 1%, I’ll try plugging it in

[twin dew]

So the quick drop started already from 75% or so.

[sand saddle]

Well, it’s when I went outside to go on the bus

[twin dew]

That drop between the green bars was larger than normal, even while the device is in use.

[sand saddle]

Yeah no shit, the sensing is busted

I have invented iPhone fast charging, 11% now

15% in 5min 🔥

[edgy hazel]

Brother. Do you want a fire?

[sand saddle]

It charged normally, the sensor simply isn’t working as it should.

[edgy hazel]

If you say you "edited it" you're just saying edit twice

[twin dew]

Like I said, the shown 0% isn't anywhere near the true 0%.
It causes the battery to lose capacity faster when going under 20% or so regularly.

The dying is because a safety circuit trips.

Which is set significantly above the true 0% SOC

[tribal kraken]

Oh no. ISP mobile link broken near our workshop and my SolidWorks cant keep connection to license server. Downsides of cloud based licensing 🤦

[sand saddle]

Have you seen the dude using blender as solidworks?

[sand saddle]

Ofc it doesn’t have all the features, but there’s potential if blender is willing to add more functions.

[sand saddle]

I think I saw it on tiktok, don’t have it installed

[twin dew]

Hmm...
Win11 didn't even say anything about me installing it on computer with Intel i#-7200U CPU...
When it isn't officially supported.

[tribal kraken]

Yeah sure why not. Sheet metal tools for calculating flats from bent shapes is something that would be missing. But if you only do 3D-printed parts theres no need

[twin dew]

I mean that I didn't have to bypass the HW checks to install.

[tribal kraken]

I would like to do fresh windows install on my laptop too. Maybe try Win11 as well

[twin dew]

But I'm using official "Business editions" image, and that means that it doesn't force MS accounts either at stock.

And the laptop fulfills all but the CPU type requirement.
And the CPU check at install one might only care about amount and speed.

For VM compatibility.

[tribal kraken]

i7-6820HQ on my HP laptop

Guess clean install would work. But upgrade from 10 says that CPU not supported

[twin dew]

Might or might not.
The upgrade one is easy to bypass.

Just one entry into the Win10 registry,.

[twin dew]

So ESET has offline installer, but you cannot do anything afterwards without network access to check lisence, cannot even start in trial mode without internet check...

Would have been nice to set up the HIPS and firewall before connecting the system to internet...

And if Antivirus can be used if you don't ever connect the system to Internet?
What is the point of that?

So even if it allowed 30 days trial without the internet check when it cannot?
And only checked when there is internet connection?

Yes, and Defender has ACL feature, but it is PAIN.
And Windows Firewall has so huge hole in that any installer can add "allow incoming to me" rules without prompt...

It is nice base when you set it to "ignore incoming rules" mode.

So it block EVERYTHING incoming, no matter what rules have set.

And there are some better UIs for it, that AFAIK can be set to automatically delete installer rules additions.

The version 17 is very new.

The previous ones used different activation scheme.

Think I'll buy 4 lisences instead of the now needed 3, so I have one extra for possible VM.
One costs 40e, then 5e extra for each additional one.
So 50 vs 55e for a year.

Year like I said.
Could have monthly but then price per month would be 10% of the yearly, and automatic billing would not be optional.

[twin dew]

The new GPU also arrived at dropoff point.

[edgy hazel]

setting up sso is so easy tho

Annoying our infosec guy with non work related questions is always fun and always something you should do

[twin dew]

No real way to limit the access of svchost.exe unfortunately...
It is spraying everything (registry, application and file accesses) all over the place.

Firewall side of ESET knows how to split the svchost processes down to the subprocesses, but the HIPS side doesn't.

[river mountain]

we spent two years at my old job trying to persuade people to split svchost down so we could identify which part of it was leaking 600MB RAM a day

[twin dew]

I was wondering why the laptop was off...
It helps if you enter the BIOS boot password before it times out when restarting the computer...

[maiden coyote]

I think the hardcutoff for most highpower devices with lithium cells like power tools is 2.5V

Soft cutoff is usually 3-2.8 v

[pure karma]

now thats my kind of thing lol

[edgy hazel]

Just stole 40 minutes of his time

[sand saddle]

Hey, I got the parts. Anything you recommend checking before saturday when I’ll have a few hours to work on the whole robot?
Don’t have the Pi with me.

[twin dew]

What motor controller did you actually get then?

[sand saddle]

www.amazon.de/dp/B07HBP7X8G

[twin dew]

Can you get pic of the PCB backside that includes the 3-pin and the 8-pin chip solder points and area between them.

[sand saddle]

Yes, I’ll be home in 15min

[twin dew]

Thanks... Need to check couple of things first.

So by changing the motor controller you changed what would work...

[sand saddle]

Lmao

[twin dew]

Moment, checking what the circuit is doing.

[sand saddle]

I’m going to check how well the pump works that I ordered

[twin dew]

I did mention that when checking many of the motor controllers were using this type of circuit with 555-timer.
Where the thing is current controlled in a way.

And the one high power wasn't.

This one only has single diode, not two, but it is close.

[sand saddle]

So that means no pwm to dc control shit?

[twin dew]

No, just that I need to decipher how the implementation works, and cannot just read about the "standard" implementation.

Once the stream ends, might check one of that guys modification videos to see what he does.

[sand saddle]

I'm gonna try to use it as it's meant to rn, see how hot it gets and such.
I have to find an adapter for the pump to get a garden hose connected to it.

[charred pewter]

the enshittification continues ... amazon removed high fidelity streaming unless you pay for the 'ad free' tack-on

[twin dew]

So it is this basic one from Wikipedia:
With R10 + red-to-yellow potentiometer part as R1, and R11 + yellow-to-black potentiometer as the R11.
C4 on PCB is the C1 and D3 on PCB is the D1.

So hoping that this might work by removing C6, setting the pot to max and connecting the converter output to the C6 chip side pad.
But need to check what that reviewer that checked the other motor controller does with the mods he does for the other controllers so Pi can control them.

No, sorry, the black is connected to the middle and yellow to the bottom.

Ah, different colors on the wires compared to the amazon image.
Like the components are surface mount on the one you have and through hole on the pic.

So pot wiper is in the pin 7, like it should.

But that pin 5 overrides the reference voltage for the 555.
So that should work.
So that pot on max speed static voltage control on that should change the duty cycle.
As it then changes the reference levels for the pins 6 and 2.

While not changing the charge or discharge speeds of the C2, which determines the voltage that the 6 and 2 see.

By default the reference levels for the 6 and 2 are 2/3rd and 1/3rd the VCC.
But with pin 5 in use they become 2/2 and 1/2 of the pin 5 input.

But time to look into the past to find that youtube channel...

[sand saddle]

Yay

[twin dew]

Ah, he had video of the exact model (just with the through hole?)

For control from Arduino.

[sand saddle]

Very odd to be living in a household where I can look for stuff instead of buying them, but if I only knew where to look…

(I’ve been living in the same place for my whole life)

[maiden coyote]

Most of that stuff would be arduinos rather than pi's. The concept is identical though.

[twin dew]

Ah, just using the 5V PWM output from arduino, so not usable in this case.

Bypassing the whole 555.

But as Pi:s PWM outputs are 3.3V, would need to check if that is enough.

[maiden coyote]

The pi has a pwm output.

3.3 should work.

[twin dew]

And then it depends if the next component needs more than 3.3V for input.

But yes, probably works.

[maiden coyote]

3.3 can usually talk to 5v. In this case it'll depend on the mosfet that's driving the motor

If 3.3 is enough to saturate the gate then you're good

I think the pi pwm libary was depreciated. Not sure on that

I remember people made FM transmitters using it lol

[twin dew]

Close, for the FET the review guys unit used STP80NF70 fets, that have 2-4V gate threshold voltage, with 3v as typical.

Also could just use the RESET pin of the 555.

With Pi PWM output.

[mental oriole]

Managed to break a Xilinx SoM by debugging out custom pcb with jtag 🤣

[twin dew]

So when the Pi PWM output is low, the chip is stopped, and when Pi PWM is high, the chip operates.
And set it to just always have the 555 output as high when it is operating.

[twin dew]

This is very common with high-voltage output MOSFETs that they cannot be driven with 3.3V, and some cannot even be driven with just 5V.

Problem with the reset version is that the reset pad is connected to the VCC trace under the chip.

So either the pin needs to be raised, electrical tape or like be inserted between the pin and pad, and then wire soldered to the pin.
Or whole chip removed, trace cut, and then chip resoldered.

[sand saddle]

I found the correct diameter pipe from a box with pieces of bent rubber pipes in it, in the corner. There was a broken washer drum on top of it.

[twin dew]

@sand saddle So how good are you at surface mount component soldering?

[sand saddle]

I could ask a guy ig?

[twin dew]

So the better option would be to unsolder the chip, cut trace between te VCC one and the 4/RESET pin where I marked.
And then resolder the chip back.

[maiden coyote]

Well for that stp80nf70 it says Vgs is 20V max with a threshold of 2-4V

[twin dew]

And then connect the RESET pin with wire to the Pi PWM output, and some ground to pi ground.

[twin dew]

Like I said, with 3V as typical.
with just 3.3V output it is pretty close and bad luck makes it not work.

When we can just use the 555 as 3.3V to 5V converter.

[maiden coyote]

Is that the reset trace passing through j2 and c2 silkscreen?

[twin dew]

From J2 to pin 8.

And should connect to that Pin 4 too, which needs to be separated from that 5V VCC trace.

Comes from 5V regulator on left, feeds the red pot wire through resistor, and the reset and VCC pins on the 555.

[maiden coyote]

Easiest way is to cut the trace with an exacto there and scrap the enamel off if you need to solder a jumper, or solder the jumper straight to the pin on the chip.. both depend on how good you are with smd soldering

[twin dew]

Problem is that the point where it needs to be cut is under the chip.

[maiden coyote]

Use this to desolder it

[twin dew]

So need to remove the 555, cut the trace going to the pin 4 pad, and then resolder the chip.

Or do just that left lift.

Which would be worse for longevity in theory.

[sand saddle]

Yay, it works

[twin dew]

But I would personally do the chip removal, trace cutting, resoldering and then connect to that pin&pad with wire and solder to that C6 Gnd throughhole for ground.

As it is close and not masked on either side of the PCB.

[sand saddle]

Very good pressure for a 25€ pump, just needs to last until the end of this project

[twin dew]

For documentation, before I close Paint.

(there are tiny markings there you can only see when looking at full pic)

[sand saddle]

So no use for that 3.3V pwm to 0-10DC converter?

Cuz I bought it

[twin dew]

Not with that thing, as you cannot replace the pot with it.

It could in theory be used to feed that CONTROL pin instead.
So that 3.33V to something lower would change the PWM the 555 generates.

For which you would need to remove the C6 cap and solder wires to both of its pads.

But the reset pin trickery would be better.
Just didn't know enough about the circuits those things use when I told you to buy it.

Sorry.

Could have been used with that 60A(?) board.

Which did similar 555 reset trickery to drive it with PWM from the unmarked chip that also showed the duty cycle with that display.
As that chip seemed to be just using voltage input from the potentiometer.

But in this board the potentiometer is changing the current, not voltage.

[sand saddle]

Np, you’re very helpful and it’s amusing seeing you put so much effort into this, I understand it’s interesting for you.

[twin dew]

Also could just use almost any fast enough 5V MOSFET that can work with 3V control to bypass the 555.

Or two if you don't want to deal with inverted output in software.

Where 100% PWM would be 0-speed and 0% PWM would be max speed.

But doing the reset mod would probably be easier.

But time for me to go get the new GPU from dropoff and refill refrigerator on same stop to store.

[sand saddle]

But doesn't that mean just on or off like a relay?

[twin dew]

No?
Just that the PWM the power stage of that motor controller will be same as the Pi outputs.
When currently the potentiometer sets what PWM output the 555 outputs.
And the power stage then smooths the PWM.

Like with the board in base config.

Idea is that you are toggling the 555 between reset (output low) and operation (output high, as long as the next reset is sooner than the normal circuit function).
By passing the normal control input for the 555.

And using the 555 on the board as just 3.3V to 5.0V converter.

So not "original" PWM (Pi) -> DC (converter board)-> PWM (555)-> DC (power stage)
Just PWM (Pi) -> 3.3V to 5V conversion (555) -> DC (power stage)

Or the boards native: Pot controls and some of the other passives control the 555 to generate PWM signal, which drives the power stage.

[visual tree]

This is the best AI

So responsible it refuses to answer any of your questions lol

[twin dew]

Because ChatGPT etc. don't know math.

So it cannot calculate 2+2=4, it can just infer that in the data it was fed, "4" was the most common next symbol after to "2+2="

Or it might hallucinate some other completely weird answer.

[twin dew]

Which the various bots did before, and that kind of normal programming prefilter was implemented.

Same for the next one.

All those "refuses to answer" things are separate code acting as filter before the input is passed to the "AI"

And just feeding manually written answers if the prompt seems to fit some manual algorithm trying to detect questions that the AI often hallucinates with.

Implemented old-style chatbot acting as filter to the "AI" part.

[visual tree]

I should probably refrain from asking it about my future unless I want to get insulted lol

[twin dew]

@sand saddle I'll try to calculate the approximate PWM frequency in the base config tomorrow, if you can tell what is the potentiometers resistance value.

10k?

[sand saddle]

It has B100K written on it

[twin dew]

So 100k ohm.

Ah, damn, the C4 capacitance isn't marked.

[sand saddle]

You don't need to bother too much right now, I'll try to compile what you've said and see how my group decides to move forward.

[twin dew]

Set the Pi to output PWM signal at suitable frequency.
Connect the PWM output pin to that Reset pin of the 555.
That will drive the motor based on the Pi PWM output duty cycle.

Needs at least that single trace cutting under the 555 chip on the PCB and soldering those two wires.

[sand saddle]

I really don't understand why right click copy and paste doesn't work in docs

I like using it when my hand isn't on the keyboard

[twin dew]

Too low PWM frequency on the Pi, it doesn't fully override the potentiometer.
Too high PWM frequency on the Pi and the power MOSFETs will first heat more, and at some point will stop working properly when going very high.

And with couple extra mods, the pot can be removed completely, but that means that the Threshold and Trigger pins need to be connected to VCC and Ground, one to each (didn't check which to which).

And that too low PWM on Pi doesn't affect anything after that, just makes the motor not run completely smoothly if going way too low.

Idea of PWM is that at suitable frequency, the almost square wave acts like specific voltage level if the load is suitable.
So you can do control to intermediate values/speeds/brightness by switching between on and off quick enough.

Just that it needs to be high enough frequency that it averages out.
And low enough frequency that what is being driven can handle it (the power MOSFETs in this case).

[sand saddle]

How easy is it to mess up doing the whole reset pin thing?

[twin dew]

Should be pretty easy if the one doing it has any soldering experience.
As there is solder resist, so you can even heat all the 4 legs on one side at same time when removing and reattaching the chip, and it shouldn't bridge between the legs.
Or when it first does from too much solder, just reheat and remove some of that until the bridges disappear.

Just need to watch to not overheat the chip to failure.

Like with any component.

[mental oriole]

Doing math is too dangerous, you should avoid that.

[twin dew]

And even getting replacement 555 should be trivial from any electronics component shop, which most cities have at least one.

With price in Finland being about 1e for the SMD version.

[mental oriole]

Time is dangerous: https://gist.github.com/timvisee/fcda9bbdff88d45cc9061606b4b923ca

[visual tree]

"The system clock will always be set to the correct local time." It never does lol

I always have to set my cctv date and time because it won't sync automatically with the time server for some reason

[winged valley]

I got it to answer a question

LETS GO

I GOT A REAL ANSWER OUT OF IT

[visual tree]

Imagine if your friend was like this

[mental oriole]

🤣

[visual tree]

Tried sonic toothbrush for the first time. Much better than standard Oral-b electric toothbrush

Had to reduce the power though. Splashed toothpaste all over the mirror lol

[edgy hazel]

How it feels to offboard someone

[winged valley]

My board only has 4 ram IC's (confirmed by the fact that the part number is for 32gbit or 4GB), but SIV reports that I have 8 running in Quad Channel

I don't think the 1260P (12500U according to SIV) supports quad channel, but anyways, assuming SIV is correct about everything, would that mean the IC's are dual-die and each one is running in its own channel?

I guess its not impossible but with only 315 balls per IC that seems a bit crazy to me (also I can't verify die count because Hynix makes it near impossible to get that info for some reason)

[languid gulch]

this probably sounds dumb but i finally got a fine cleaning brush with long enough bristles to get down to the base plate of my keyboard, & it's just nice to not have to use my air compressor for that

[twin dew]

LPDDR4 and 5 have 32bit channels.

So the chip number is probably wrong, but each of the chips is probably own "channel".
For total of 128 bit memory bus like is standard.

Just that even for the techs with 32bit (sub)channels, in x86 PC space we still talk only about "legacy" 64bit channels.
So 128bit total is "two channels", when in reality with some of the current memory techs that is actually 4x32bit, not 2x64bit.

LPDDR has been there for long time, DDR5 took the normal DDR there too.

And the dies are probably dual-rank, which causes them to be detected as "two" dies.
As each rank is handled separately.

Causing them to be shown as 8 dies.

And software cannot AFAIK separate between 2x 1R and 1x 2R.

[winged valley]

I C (pun intended)

Baldur how do you know so much about low level hardware

[twin dew]

Too much reading all around, and brain acting as information sink in a way.
Also inferences and combining going on.

The want to understand.

[night girder]

@visual tree only 793 partners!

[twin dew]

The stupid things I do...
I'm on English (Sweden) locale with just currency symbol switched to €.

[twin dew]

Just to get those sweet, sweet ISO dates.

[pure karma]

im probably gonna go insane by the end of the day i just got dragged into doing art out of my will for the next 8 hours

[twin dew]

After few days, I got to the point that the laptop is now connected to Internet and downloading updates etc.

[pure karma]

wait quick question is there a way to diagnose if a headphone jack is dead of if its the device?

dont have another device to try it whit

its a laptop headphone jack so i wouldent be surprised if its dead

[jagged snow]

The solution would be to try another pair of headphones

[pure karma]

i dont have another one...

[twin dew]

If the device is passive, then you can just use multimeter on that plug.

[pure karma]

im at school and even if i wasent i dont have a multimeter

not that i would know how to use one

[tough owl]

💀

[pure karma]

got my answer ports dead

[sand saddle]

I just got a custom keyboard, can take it apart fully without problems

No glue or stickers I have to remove

[pure karma]

the jack itself is spotless so probably a internal short or something

[sand saddle]

And they keyboard looks damn cute

[pure karma]

usb still works so i guess its not a big deal

[keen jackal]

is the rtx 2060 good? (debate)

[sand saddle]

Subjective like everything

And depends on usecase

[keen jackal]

gaming

[pure karma]

yea like theres probably atleast 50 difrent amd alternatives your gonna get recomended but if you really want a 2060 its a ok card just dosent have a lot of vram

[twin dew]

And for buying used GPU, lot depends on how much you trust the seller and what the price is.

[sand saddle]

There's a difference between max settings 4k star citizen and terraria

[atomic crystal]

someone here actually knows star citizen? pog

[sand saddle]

😍

DIY wrist(hand)rest had to be included

They keyboard is a bit loud so I'll probably buy new switches, but I already accounted for that

[keen jackal]

dumbass use your brain would i be playing 4k on a 2060?

[pure karma]

nothing really stopping you

[keen jackal]

like satisfactory games

[pure karma]

the rtx2000 cards made 16K resolution happen and have been the only series of cards to do so

[sand saddle]

Anyways, if you think about buying the GPU, all depends on pricing

[keen jackal]

250$ good?

[pure karma]

no??

[sand saddle]

That's horrible

[pure karma]

i feel like under 200 would be tolerable maby

[sand saddle]

Unless you're talking about brand new and mean australian dollars

[keen jackal]

Im checking price right now on EVGA

[sand saddle]

Don't need them, though I got QMK VIA support so I could make any number of keypress combinations

[sand saddle]

You're from US?

[pure karma]

i dont really like custom keyboards either unless its done very minimally and reassonably

[keen jackal]

yes

Also i don't know wtf i was talking about i bought the card for 200$

220$ because of shiping +tax i think

[sand saddle]

So it's already bought? When?

[keen jackal]

2020

its older

[sand saddle]

Okay

[keen jackal]

ddr4 not 5

[keen jackal]

dual fan to

i like my card

i'm saving for a 4070

[sand saddle]

I got the keyboard today, might reconfigure a few keys

[pure karma]

is any of this stuff important or does it not matter if its crapping itself

[sand saddle]

I never use home, page up/down and end so I can make them the media keys if I really want to

[keen jackal]

or you could use side mouse buttons if you have them

[sand saddle]

Ehh, ig...

It's funny how spicy my keyboard is looking, everything else is so bland

[keen jackal]

true

[sand saddle]

But a black keyboard would've looked so boring

[keen jackal]

yeah and black keyboards fit only good with a black setup

i have almost all white

the 2060 is black

and mb

do you have g sync on your monitor?

[sand saddle]

Same thing as freesync so might as well ask if they got vsync

Gsync can actually be worse as it usually comes with an annoying fan

[keen jackal]

eh kinda

g sync is for nvidia card only

and g sync adjusts quality to increase performance

its only good for some games tho

some dont look right

its like dlss without ai

depends on the type of game

and also your eyes only register 60 hZ

[sand saddle]

All 2019+ gsync modules also support adaptive sync which works on all gpus

[twin dew]

No, that is very bad misunderstanding.

[keen jackal]

its 10

[twin dew]

Goes up to about 500hz for some people.
To top up at only 60hz is very low bar.

[keen jackal]

wth are your eyes?

true

[twin dew]

I have no idea how high I could see the difference.
I was talking that the best that been tested were in that range.
And most are significantly above 60hz, but not at 500hz.

So 144-240Hz monitors make sense, going above that 240hz not so much.

[keen jackal]

your eye at max strain sees 90 hZ

under stress

for most people*

[twin dew]

Based on what?
Human eye and vision isn't discrete thing but continous.

[keen jackal]

no its your brain

[twin dew]

There is minimum you can see as motion, and then max above which you don't notice short things anymore.

[keen jackal]

your eyes work like photos

takeing many photos at once like video

[twin dew]

No, human vision is very messy continous process.
Not discrete frames.

[sand saddle]

Source?

[twin dew]

Which is whole point why we can see video as being in motion when the frame rate is high enough.

[keen jackal]

nvidia dumbass

[sand saddle]

Link it

[keen jackal]

kk

[twin dew]

And after certain very high point, the additional frames don't bring any more benefit, but that bar depends on person and top 1% or so can notice single "wrong" frame at 500hz.

IIRC how it was tested.

And the bottom 1% was IIRC in the 100-200Hz range.

[keen jackal]

https://www.nvidia.com/content/Control-Panel-Help/vLatest/en-us/mergedProjects/nvdsp/Variable_Refresh_Rate.htm

g sync adjusts monitor display rate to gpu output rate

[sand saddle]

Yes, that's what vsync is

It doesn't affect performance

Remove https

[keen jackal]

its newer tech

://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/what-is-vsync/#:~:text=Essentially%2C%20G%2DSync%20and%20FreeSync,FreeSync%2C%20but%20there's%20minimal%20support.

i dont know if the "newer tech" is any better tho

[sand saddle]

Most monitors come with freesync nowadays

[keen jackal]

yeah

[sand saddle]

All sync technologies get the same job done

If you're interested in learning more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQdo67SjIHk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biSY6WeCDus

[keen jackal]

OHHH g sync is up to 360 fps v sync doesn't work good above 60

[sand saddle]

That's bs

[keen jackal]

nvidia says but there bs

with preformance sometimes

[sand saddle]

There's literally a 540hz monitor with a gsync module, and that module is important for ULMB2

Anyways, watch the videos I sent if you want good info

[keen jackal]

read this while i dohttps://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/g-sync-monitors/

when i say v sync i dont mean free sync btw

its just nvidia bragging like always

[twin dew]

Vsync locks the FPS to monitor refresh rate.
Just that most monitors USED to be 60Hz, so could do 60, 30, 20, 15 etc. FPS with VSYNC on.

On 144Hz monitor it would be 144, 72, 48 etc. FPS.

With 240Hz: 240, 120, 80 etc.

1:1, 1:2, 1:3 and so on.

G-sync is just first common implementation of variable refresh rate.

And actual HW G-sync has almost died away, and most of the "G-Sync" monitors are just adaptive sync with g-sync branding.

[sand saddle]

When I say v sync I mean v sync, not any module, but the technology itself

g sync is an implementation of v sync

[sand saddle]

Ahh yes, I sure love reading marketing text

[twin dew]

Without V-Sync the framebuffer (what frame is being actually drawn to monitor) is switched whenever there is newer frame available.
Leading to it being switched in mid-draw, causing visual issues.
With V-Sync the framebuffer is only switched between monitor refreshes.
Adaptive-sync (the base standard), Free-Sync (AMD branding) and G-sync compatible (Nvidia branding) work by having the monitor change the refresh interval dynamically based on when the monitor gets new data.

No, like the name says, Vertical Sync, framebuffer/frame switches are synced to the monitor.

But that makes it that it can only run in lockstep with the monitor, so max FPS is the refresh rate, and then any divisor from that, so 1:1, 1:2, 1:3 etc.