off-topic-tech

[twin dew]

Linked the thread so you can check how valid those numbers in the doc might be.

I didn't bother to check when I didn't quickly find any alternatives.

[languid gulch]

it just does it by generation/arch & not by specific CPUs, but it's still useful

[twin dew]

Because only the arch matters to IPC.

That is the whole point.
Instructions per Clock.

[languid gulch]

yea true

although it doesn't distinguish between intel P & E cores, that's interesting

[twin dew]

Because the E-cores are in the Atom section?

Crestmont for the latest gen.

Gracemont for the early ones.

[languid gulch]

oh wow 🤣 i forgot that's what happened to atom

absorbed, Thing-style

[twin dew]

No, the 14th gen desktop parts still use Gracemont?

Yes.

Crestmont is only in the new Meteor Lake laptop parts.

[rotund hamlet]

IPC isn't a set number

but there is uops.info which shows CPI for each instruction on every architecture

[twin dew]

In a way it is, in a way it isn't.
If you include the actual feeding of the CPU, then you cannot calculate it.
If you only include the core with infinite cache, you can calculate it for specific instructions combo.

[rotund hamlet]

yeah

[twin dew]

As that comes from that CPI and how many of them you can do in parallel on same core.

[rotund hamlet]

CPI and rTh

(reciprocal throughput)

[twin dew]

Which is why I did include that thread, as hopefully somewhere there is talk about HOW the numbers in the spreadsheet were calculated and what the assumptions were.

[rotund hamlet]

uops.info/table.html

[winged valley]

Dont buy msi summit flip e16 laptops btw

Apparently the constant bluescreening isnt a skill issue its fairly common among owners

W10 is a bit more stable than W11 but still does it a lot

Nearly all of the codes are related to memory one way or another so I wonder if they go bad chips? It is running in 1Rx2 dual channel (or 1Rx4 single channel which Im pretty sure its not) so its definitely strained

[visual tree]

Omg, this is awesome

A bit heavy on the memory though

[winged valley]

It uses 6-10GB depending on complexity of the save

Playercount too

[twin dew]

Official minimum RAM for dedi is 12GB.
And that was close to actual minimum for UE4 versions.
U8 uses less RAM for small save, and has the same RAM usage rise as the normal game has with save size.

[winged valley]

*minimum system RAM not allocated

[twin dew]

Whops. That was just about OpenWRT router monitoring.

Not related to the earlier satisfactory dedi talk.

[minor pawn]

https://be.pcpartpicker.com/list/Bz27dH is this a good pc? /s obviously

[languid gulch]

at that price just go for the 4090

otherwise it'd be like getting a corvette ZR1 with steel wheels

HA the case has actually come down in price

ngl except for the gpu not being top end & the case being ridiculous, i don't actually see anything "wrong" with it, just a big bag of "gimme all of it & ignore the cost"

[dire igloo]

slow RAM that's likely unstable due to using 4 sticks, not even max capacity (that'd be 192GB)
mediocre cooler that only wins through 420 brute force
mainboard with OCP issues and meh BIOS
if you go overkill on the PSU, at least get HX1600i

[languid gulch]

i do suspect that at some point mobo manufacturers are going to cancel 4 ram slot boards & just stick to dual or HEDT 6/8/12 stick setups

[languid gulch]

which i wouldn't mind. maybe having another NVMe slot right there would cut down on latency & sticking some fins on it to keep it cool would be nice

[stray badger]

4 slot works fine on intel for now tho

[languid gulch]

yea but also a lot of people buy for the expandability, but then wait so long that it's just worth upgrading the platform instead

[maiden coyote]

Kinda sucks for the niche use case where you need more ram rather than faster ram

Mostly for people who run VM's

[gilded helm]

Bring back triple channel memory from x58, then at least you can triple up initially.

[maiden coyote]

I wish my board had 4 slots. Either the board, or the intel 7700 supports 16gb/slot so I'm maxed out at 32gb

[stray badger]

X79 quad channel

[twin dew]

Not really.
Intel has even higher drop in max RAM frequency when you have 4 sticks actually installed than AMD.

You have drop in max frequency with single stick per channel from 1DPC board to 2DPC board.
And then there is large drop if you actually try to use the second slot per channel.
It was there on DDR4 already to significant degree, and with DDR5 the drop is absolutely huge.

AMD official for 7000-series is 5200MT/s for both 1DPC and 2DPC boards with 1 stick per channel, and 3600MT/s for 2 sticks per channel.
Intel official for 14th gen is 5600MT/s for 1DPC boards, 4400MT/s with 2DPC board with 1 stick per channel, 4000MT/s for 2x 1R, 3600MT/s for 2x 2R.

So for Intel 13th and 14th Gen, the official DDR5 max speed on 4 memory slot MB is 4400MT/s, not 5600MT/s.
That 5600MT/s is only for 2 memory slot boards.

[twin dew]

And there is 400-1000MT/s difference in max memory speed you can get on Intel between 2-slot and 4-slot MBs.

When doing RAM OC with DDR5.

[twin dew]

So what is the excessive amount of RAM for?
Why not just 2x48GB RAM set?

Ah, missed the /s

Only really looked into the comments after yours.

[stuck nebula]

it would be waste of money to get 4 slot ddr5 in an am5 system anyways

[visual tree]

Baldur, do you have experience with wifi frequency channels and width?

[twin dew]

In what way?
For 2.4GHz you use 20MHz channels width if you don't live without any neighbors.
And use only channels 1, 6, or 11, whichever is least used at your location.

For 5GHz you use whatever mostly.

[visual tree]

I changed the channel for 2.4 GHz and 5GHz to channel where there is no congestion but I am wondering if I should change the width too

[twin dew]

Again looking for in theory a channel that is least used.

[visual tree]

My SSID is OpenWRT

[twin dew]

And overlapping but not identical is WORSE than being on same number

As the channel numbers are 5MHz apart, and the bandwidth is 20MHz.

AP:s on same exact channel share the airtime, ones overlapping just jam each other.

[visual tree]

I moved the channel on 24. GHz from 6 to 4 since there are multiple SSID's there

[twin dew]

And you are now getting jammed by both the AP:s on 1, 2 and 6.

And jam those.

When you were on 6, you shared airtime.

[visual tree]

Here is how it looked like before I moved the channels (and forgot to turn off Wi-Fi direct on my printer 😅 )

[twin dew]

With the misconfigured AP:s on channel 2 and 10, and the two misconfigured 40MHz width APs (only officially allowed to be used when no other APs are in view by spec), staying on channel 6 is your best bet.

[visual tree]

Should I just change the channel to somewhere from 10 to 14?

[twin dew]

In US, 12-14 aren't available.
only 1-11.
In EU 1-13.
14 is Japan only.

[visual tree]

Guess I made the mistake, I was on channel 6 before switching channels 😅

[twin dew]

And again, with the US 1-11 spread, only 1, 6, 11 are not overlapping.
With 1-13 1, 5, 9, 13 would also work, but as Android phones etc. autoselect to 1, 6, 11 anyways no matter where, that cannot be used.

So you only EVER use channels 1, 6 or 11 on 2.4GHz band, and only ever use 20MHz channel width.

Or your AP will be acting as WiFi Jammer against everyone else, and getting jammed in turn by everyone else.

For better experience, set "RTS Threshold" in AP Wifi advanced settings to 0-512.
Sets how large data packets need to prereserve time slot.

[visual tree]

So, something like this for 2.4GHz?

[twin dew]

Use that 6, as the AP on channel 2 is there to act as jammer for channel 1.

And one on channel 10 to act as jammer for channel 11.

[visual tree]

Is there a general rule for RTS/CTS Threshold? Can I set it to 512 or leave it off as it is?

[twin dew]

Default is max packet size, so to never pre-reserve time slot.
0 means always reserve (0 byte payload max), 512 would mean that packets larger than 512 bytes need reservation, smaller don't.

What is best depends on exact case with all the traffic going on, but best performance is 0-512 in almost any case if there isn't just one active device on the channel.

And it raises reliability and reduces jitter.
But lowers max actual throughput one client can get.

By default WiFi is "everyone tries to yell everything, and stops if someone else tried at same time".
That RTS/CTS makes it that for long enough yell, you reserve speaking turn first.

[visual tree]

I have set the channel to 6 and will do some experiments with RTS to see how it works

So far, no problems with wifi

Hate how manufacturers don't let you pick channels on stock router firmware...

*well, most don't

[twin dew]

Which is good thing today.
As people keep putting the settings wrong and causing major issues for everyone.

From the idiocy of 5MHz channel numbers, with 20MHz bandwidth used.
People making the same mistake you did, seeing that there are APs on channels 1 and 6, and putting their AP in some "unused" channel between.

And forcing 40MHz channel widths on 2.4GHz, again causing issues both for themselves and everyone else nearby.

[visual tree]

I blame Google and people on the youtube. Literally just telling everyone to switch to a channel where there are less AP's or none

[twin dew]

In theory yes, but need to be completely independent channel, not overlapping one.

As the ones on same channel coordinate, ones on overlapping channels don't and just jam each other.

And then at least in Finland, some very common ISP provided routers had faulty firmwares and always use 40MHz channels for 2.4GHz...
And lot of those still in use.

When the WiFi spec explicitly tells that you aren't allowed to switch from 20MHz channels to 40MHz channels if the AP sees even single other AP.

Which brings my building to this complete shitshow:

[visual tree]

At least it's not as bad as here where ISP's have started offering bad modems which can only be configured through a mobile app and web interface has very limited settings to change

You can only change the most basic wifi settings on the mobile app, port forwarding that's basically it

[twin dew]

That is separate issue, but that the default equipment didn't follow WiFi specs and acts as jammer...

Not only causing issues for the specific customer like bad config options do.
But causing issues for anyone living near the customer.

At least 5GHz side is better, with no-one else here having allowed their AP to use the "check for weather radar" channels.

[visual tree]

Ouch, there is an overlap on almost like every channel

[twin dew]

There is on all.
To pretty high signal levels.

And seems my AP isn't following the 5GHz channel assignment, I had it set to that channel 100-112.
But it is on channel 36-48.

And now someone has 5GHz AP with 160MHz channel, using 36-64.

At least it was using the same 36 as control channel.

Because with 5GHz, the wider options use one 20MHz segment as control channel, and rest as extensions.
And for APs with same control channel, again the coexistence works, but if the control channels are different, they act as jammers to each other.

[twin dew]

And in this pic, you can see the control channel selections, which are almost all different for the various APs.
With three using 36 for it, then one on 44, one on 46, one on 56 and one on 60.

[visual tree]

I hope 5GHz doesn't become as congested as 2.4GHz in the near future

[twin dew]

So the 44 and 48 act as jammers for all the ones on 36, and 56 and 60 act as jammers for the 160MHz AP on 36.

[twin dew]

Already there.
As you see from that pic.
And that is with most still only using 80MHz channels.
And now there are APs using 160 MHz channels, and Wifi 7 brings 320MHz channels.

[visual tree]

Guess there are a lot of 5GHz signals near my home but since 5GHz range is shorter, I can't pick them up

[twin dew]

Yes, penetration is much worse.

[visual tree]

Finally something good

*except for the shorter range that is

[jagged snow]

Anyone here have a home router that supports 6e/6GHz yet?

[visual tree]

Not atm

I will upgrade my network equipment when I get fiber though

[twin dew]

No, got AX AP, but got model that didn't support 6E.

[visual tree]

Might go with Edgerouter + Unify AP combo

[twin dew]

Because there is no need for that yet for my use.
The 5GHz band is still not too congested to be issue, even if there are lot of visible APs.

For 2.4GHz, the situation is different, but I don't really use the 2.4GHz.
And for the times it is in use, the RTS Threshold keeps it usable even with the other APs around.

[jagged snow]

Ax still brings plenty of improvements to the 5GHz band so it's not a bad thing

[twin dew]

Also AC was 5GHz only and 2.4GHz stayed on N.
Wifi 6/AX is for both bands.
With Wifi 6E bringing that 6GHz to mix.

[jagged snow]

Did I say something incorrect or are you just elaborating?

[twin dew]

Elaborating.
That AX brought improvements to 2.4GHz band too.
And not just 5GHz, like AC did.

[jagged snow]

Oh, yeah 👍

[winged valley]

What standard is wifi 7?

[twin dew]

be

[winged valley]

without looking it up I assume 802.11bx

be okay I was close

[twin dew]

And bn is in draft stages already to be next one as WiFi 8.

[sharp oasis]

@twin dew random question. Apparently a 2.5 slot 7800XT should be vertical mounted due to load being put on the pcb. (there is no sag). Is this a factual statement or not.

[jagged snow]

If you have an anti-sag bracket I totally wouldn't worry about it

It is designed to be horizontal-mounted anyways, so any issues with that are a design flaw

[sharp oasis]

I don't have any anti sag bracket but I dont have any sag at all with the gpu just mounted @jagged snow

[jagged snow]

Then it's probably fine

[sharp oasis]

Perfectly healthy for the gpu.

[sand saddle]

Opened up my phone and changed the battery. Had to heat it up quite a lot for the glue to melt, might've damaged smth ever so slightly so now my touch screen sensitivity is slightly lower as it was previously.

Though as I was writing this text it worked like previously...

Texting seems fine... huh?

I feel like I'm going crazy, will go to sleep

[bleak linden]

Can someone explains me why my pc crashes after SF loads?

[stray badger]

i dont think anybody in this channel can really help you

[mental oriole]

Probably mod related.

[gilded helm]

As I go through audio gear at thrift shops, I'm intrigued with the possibility of picking up HDMI cables for $4. Is there anything obvious on the connector I should look for besides 4K or 8K?

[maiden coyote]

these are cheaper x: about as questionable as thriftstore cables probably

[gilded helm]

The thrift stores I'm going to tend to have plenty of reputable brands. Mostly I'm loading up on short mic cables.

[twin dew]

First thing would be to ask on right place ( #1038092680493801533 ) and not on off-topic channel?

[sand saddle]

Okay, there's a whole vertical line that's not working

A pretty wide one at that

My finger is pressing between the 2 dots, but touch isn't working there

The whole vertical line😅

And it's not perfect on the other areas either

[sand saddle]

Oh, there's anotherr line next to it

[mental oriole]

F

[sand saddle]

I blame the excessive heat I had to use to safely get the glued battery out of its socket.

[wanton orchid]

why glue battery smh

at least rn gluing battery is illegal in eu

[twin dew]

At least my Sony had tear-away glue strip.
Just had to pull on a tab to remove it.

[sand saddle]

Welp, the phone is dead

Whenever I turn it on properly it starts flickering with random colors

But when I touch the screen once it tells the time just fine

Or when I put it to charge it displays the charge animation and percentage perfectly

[jagged snow]

Could just be that you knocked the connection for the screen ribbon partway loose

[sand saddle]

Already checked

[jagged snow]

Not a bad idea to just take it apart and put it back together again

[sand saddle]

Already did

[jagged snow]

Ah bummer

[sand saddle]

Tried the old battery as well

[jagged snow]

Welp, guess you're sol then

[sand saddle]

I'm feeling like Medimedes/Loki rn who killed his GPU with OC iirc.

[jagged snow]

It's crazy that we can't even trust a video call anymore https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/02/deepfake-scammer-walks-off-with-25-million-in-first-of-its-kind-ai-heist/

The only way to be sure is an in-person meeting

[charred pewter]

ouch

[twin dew]

Well, checking where the video call request comes from...

[tough owl]

Cloud flare zero trust tunnels are sweet

[visual tree]

Can't believe there are no procedures regarding transferring funds in the company that was scammed

[jagged snow]

Well yes, there are technical solutions
I meant as a non-tech savvy user who just recieved a video call

[visual tree]

Where I work, this scam wouldn't pass since there are several steps and authorizations before a transaction happens. A CFO can't simply order you to transfer funds

[jagged snow]

Yeah, most places have policies like that

@edgy hazel You'll appreciate this
I want to walk somewhere that's about .75km from my house as the crow flies. The shortest route to get there is 38.94km

[visual tree]

Here, we usually receive an invoice or create purchase order in SAP before anything is paid. Invoice and PO also needs authorization from the accounting department

I remember a warning email from some guy saying creating purchases orders in SAP without a valid contract is a serious violation of company policy and could get you fired

[charred pewter]

we use fax

[visual tree]

Can't wait for 2025 when Death Stranding 2 is expected to be released (not officially confirmed) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbLstJHlC4U&t=569s

[charred pewter]

hopefully i have finished the first one by then

no spoilers!

[jagged snow]

Yay, more walking 🎉

[visual tree]

Ouch, hope you didn't watch the video I posted because there is a spoiler in it

[visual tree]

That's why I contributed a lot of resources towards building a highway. Logged in again after 2 years and the highway is still intact

[charred pewter]

no, i dont watch or read anything about games as i can

i actually prefer going into a game blind ... basically as much as i 'read up' on is just the product page, thats it

[sand saddle]

What's the game actually about?

And it has live servers? Or how would smth get destroyed after inactivity?

[visual tree]

Correction: the structures don't deteriorate when you don't play

You could tell it's a FedEx simulator with another mission to connect regions

Correction: It's not a FedEx simulator since you actually deliver packages this time

[sand saddle]

Amazon and newegg cuz they list a shit ton of retailers

[jagged snow]

Amazon has gone down the drain lately

[gilded helm]

I can't bear searching Amazon for something like SSDs or flash drives. Too many possibilities of fakes.

SSDs have fewer fakes (probably), but also the filtering is terrible.

That's pretty much just Best Buy, Walmart, and so forth in the United States now. And their prices in store aren't worth browsing idly.

I would guess maybe a third of the United States has theoretical access to a Microcenter, if someone wanted to make a day of it. I would say not even 10% live close enough to one to stop in casually to browse.

[tough owl]

nice thing about best buy is theyll price match things shipped and sold by amazon

[jagged snow]

Yeah that too
I live within 50 miles of two other states so gas is cheaper in one and shopping is cheaper in another

[edgy hazel]

This is so dorky https://twitter.com/Teslaconomics/status/1754199840156987861?t=2yek7LMqC_jwWa16-Qbxng&s=19

Teslaconomics (@Teslaconomics) on X

This has to be the hardest, most futuristic exit of a Cybertruck owner anyone has ever seen thus far 🔥

Twitter · Feb 4, 2024, 5:46 PM

[gilded helm]

www.sae.org/news/2022/06/littelfuse-megawatt-charging-commercial-electric-vehicles

1700 amps and 2000+ volt architectures sound cool and all, but those things probably should have been figured out before electric trucks started hitting the road. 😛

[jagged snow]

PHEV is the way to go

Trains are great where they're applicable

Busses/trams/monorail/subway are best for intracity transport if the area is populous enough

But for rural areas(which still make up a very large portion of the US) PHEV or hydrogen are really the most viable options

monolames?

If subway isn't feasible and you're building a new urban area they're viable

But really I'm just referring to any elevated short-distance rail

Monorail itself is rather pointless

(even if it looks cool and futuristic)

That's how it's gone historically with a lot of developing technology

The countries that were the last to adopt internet can have some of the better infrastructure designs

hence the "can"

They can also have some very bad layouts(mexico city)

[jagged snow]

We actually used to have electric, and it worked perfectly fine. It was, however, prohibitively expensive to maintain.

I expect that if it were to make a return now it would be much less costly as our rail network has been drastically downsized.

The thing is, rail did used to go everywhere

And the rail companies, in a rather shortsighted manner, have continuously chased short-term profit over long-tem success

It didn't used to be that way

Shortsightedness 🤷‍♂️

Yeah, US rail still does make insane margins

The big four are in the neighborhood of 50%

[rotund hamlet]

insert norfolk southern shitposting here

[jagged snow]

This is, of course, not sustainable. They're actively letting rail infrastructure fall into disrepair in favor of higher profits and better stock prices

[gilded helm]

Well, we can make safer nuclear. But we can't get anyone to bite on the upfront cost.

[cinder moon]

Also how do USB sticks still suck?

I can get an NVMe SSD and an enclosure for it, for 60% the cost of the same capacity USB stick that's running at 1/10th the speed.

Yeah.

And not a big enclosure either. A little 2230 stick.

I am tempted to buy 5 of these things.

And then a matching 512GB NVMe 2230 at £40 a piece to fit them.

One for backup, one for Ventoy, one for expanding my phone storage, one for testing operating systems, and a spare.

I don't need 512GB for all of those, but I actually can't find smaller capacities for cheaper. So when overkill is cheap..overkill it is.

That above is the enclosure as I mentioned. 😛

BYOSSD

Just saying, how are the sticks simultaneously worse and more expensive? And they're made from rejected flash memory.

Yeah..but at this point the NVMe is literally cheaper to buy. And enclosures are plenty.
So it's just weird to me that people buy sticks and they're still sold for so much money.

At this point it feels like they should be worth like.. $15/TB stick because of how slow and crappy they are.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say half the time. 😛

Sometimes it sounds like you're defending the crappy little USB sticks running at SATA speeds.

I have an enclosure already, it's just bulky.
I plug it into a 20gbps USB port on my PC, and I'm actually limited by the speed of the controller on the 'stick'.

So I only get about 1200MB/s.

Huh. Around 1000-1100.
You can actually see the cache spiking on the performance graph though.

This is only a 250GB 'stick' too, so it's not got as much to work with as the larger capacities.

I say stick because it's..a stick, in shape.

Shame I stood on the end cap.

It's so big and bulky though, standard 2280 NVMe.

Hence my interest in this lil' 2230 :3

Razer Naga left-handed edition.
Sadly they don't do the trinity in left-handed.

I know someone who'd let me print on their 3d printer.
If I get 5 of these, I can design and print a stand to put them in.

[winged valley]

got an iphone from another shop why does the nand have a shitstain on it

[cinder moon]

We're good at telling you why it's a bad idea, but not much with helping.

[winged valley]

Im making ajoke about the other shop burning the nand

Most likely they tried to desolder it

Oh you guys thought im some random who bought an iphone nah im fixing this stuff

[cinder moon]

Ah. The context of "I work for a phone repair shop" probably would've helped. 😛

[winged valley]

An everything repair shop bu yeah

[winged valley]

This inspiron makes zero sense. 2 different mobos will not consistently charge if the IO/RTC daughter board is plugged in, and the IO board doesn't handle any voltage or USB signal conversion. What's more, there is zero corrosion and no visible shorts on the USB or SD ports

And based on schamtics, the USB data lines go straight to CPU and VCC is controlled by a 5 point switching chip on the mobo which to my knowledge has not failed

This laptop is cursed

[jagged snow]

It's probably ✨ firmware ✨

[winged valley]

HMM

that could be it actuallyBut why????????

Is it getting mad over RTC?

Nope looks like the (mostfet?) voltage switch chip on the old board is bad

I'm reading continuity on what should be +5VALW to USB20_VCC, GND, and USB_OC1# (which goes to a completely different area on the board

Whereas the one on the new board only gets continuity on GND which is what I understand to be expected behavior

[twin dew]

And the overall efficiency of hydrogen is just horrible.
And most current hydrogen is produced from natural gas.

[twin dew]

Unfortunately for good performance in that, you would need SSD with DRAM, not one using HBM.
As the HBM doesn't work without direct PCIe connection and the performance just tanks without it.

[cinder moon]

I'd say 1GB/s sustained reads and 350MB/s sustained writes are plenty enough for USB stick-style things though.

[twin dew]

With what SSD?

[cinder moon]

It was just a cheap 250GB Kingston SSD iirc.

[twin dew]

So you are basing that just on marketing from the enclosure manufacturer?

[cinder moon]

Based on the benchmark I ran.

[cinder moon]

Up here.

[twin dew]

So you already have the enclosure and some SSD?

[cinder moon]

Okay, more like 280-300MB sustained writes with spikes but still.

[cinder moon]

A different enclosure and SSD yeah.

[twin dew]

Still would be nice to know SSD used.

[cinder moon]

Yeah, I'm going to plug it in to check in a sec.

Which I realise doesn't work because it only identifies itself as the USB controller interface..

Okay, new plan, check purchase history.
Given I've only bought a single 250GB NVMe SSD.

Kingston A2000 (250GB)

Which huh, actually does claim to have some DRAM in it.

[twin dew]

Yes

It is old model, but it is from before HBM.

[cinder moon]

Fair enough, explains a lot. Thanks for making me aware of this..

Now I actually would need to find a 2230 NVMe that also has DRAM..

[twin dew]

Probably almost impossible.
As the PCB space just isn't there and that size SSDs were only really produced after HBM using controllers were common.

[cinder moon]

Well that's annoying.
My other option is to go the other direction and get a 2280 at 2TB and cram everything onto one drive.
With only one problem.

I don't think Ventoy lets you choose partition sizes, and it partitions the entire disk as EXFAT. Which can't then be resized, at least not that I've found.

Scratch that, it was just a hidden option. I can just make it smaller, so I have.

[winged valley]

VENTOY SPOTTED

Man of culture

[twin dew]

Windows cannot, third party utilities can.

[cinder moon]

GParted could not.

[winged valley]

EXFAT isn't designed to be resized

[twin dew]

Ah, all the paid utilities say they can, but then the actual instructions have you changing the partition type to another first, and then resizing.

And then back.

[winged valley]

Yep

You just have to do it manually with Gparted or I like Minitool

[cinder moon]

I just reformatted my ventoy with 200GB of free space in a setting. I have to copy over my ISOs again and that's taking about 25 seconds.

Well, plus however long it'll take to flush from the memory cache onto the disk. 😛

Call it 45 seconds for 14GB. Good enough. And adds up, since that's about 300MB/s, similar to the benchmark.

If I did this on my 16GB USB stick, I'd be waiting probably 2-3 hours. Seriously, it's not even that old and it's just so CRAP.

I'm planning to put OpenSUSE Tumbleweed on that other 200GB. I'll either switch to it in future, or use it as a control for when I can't get something to work: is a feature broken, or just my packages being outdated/broken?

[twin dew]

Compressing and transferring hydrogen is very power hungry.
Same for producing it with electrolysis instead of cracking from natural gas.

So if the power was from wind, solar etc, not real problem.
But when it isn't, the total efficiency of less than 30% IIRC is horrible.

In terms of total emissions.

[gilded helm]

And then it's only going to be viable for perhaps a trucking company, or anyone else willing to build out all the infrastructure for themselves.

[cobalt ivy]

H is heavy, and trititium is even heavier

__ when you compress and store it, totally agree with you on that

like think about how much desiel fuel was used just to transport a plastic cup from china to your workplace cafeteria or whatver

[twin dew]

And if you think car size lithium-ion batteries are dangerous, what about hydrogen storage container with internal pressure of hundreds of bars?

[edgy hazel]

I have an internal pressure of hundreds of bars skkrr

[twin dew]

Or the danger of refueling with high-pressure hydrogen to charge that internal pressure container in the car.

[rotund hamlet]

Conventional alkaline electrolysis has an efficiency of about 70%,[36] however advanced alkaline water electrolysers with efficiency of up to 82% are available.[37] Accounting for the use of the higher heat value (because inefficiency via heat can be redirected back into the system to create the steam required by the catalyst), average working efficiencies for PEM electrolysis are around 80%, or 82% using the most modern alkaline electrolysers.[38]

PEM efficiency is expected to increase to approximately 86%[39] before 2030. Theoretical efficiency for PEM electrolysers is predicted up to 94%.[40]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_production

[twin dew]

That is just part.
The big problem is the pressurization for the refueling.

[rotund hamlet]

that's covered in the paragraph above that one

[twin dew]

I was talking about total, production, fueling, usage.

That was just about the production.

If you have 90% efficient production, then 90% efficient refueling, and 90% efficient usage, the total efficiency is 72.9%.

Ok, mistake, refueling wouldn't be done that way, as it is separate thing.

But the production and usage point efficiencies get stacked, and then the power needed to do the refueling is handled separately.

And compressing hydrogen is just crap efficiency.

And the fuel cell efficiency in the vehicle isn't that great either with the needed heating power.

[rotund hamlet]

It's not ideal but it's better than gas

works better in trains than cars

[twin dew]

Yes, but much worse than direct battery vehicles for total efficiency on road traffic.

And trains in turn should just have electrified rail network.

[rotund hamlet]

direct battery vehicles also mean strip mining lithium

[rotund hamlet]

I agree, but that isn't always possible
especially in North America

[twin dew]

It is, just costs too much on short term.
Would be cheaper in long term, but the companies in the business don't care about that.

[rotund hamlet]

believe me I know

It's really frustrating

[twin dew]

Yeah, try building infrastructure when max ROI allowed is less than 5 years...

And anything over 1 year is already almost impossible to get through.

AC doesn't work with underwater cables without huge losses.

The seawaters capacitance causing issues.

[rotund hamlet]

depends on the voltage

you don't use the catenary wire as your main conductor

you have evenly spaced transformers supplying zones

[twin dew]

So DC transfer cables are now used for underwater, and for transfers between different national/supranational grids so that voltage, frequency and phase differences don't matter.

[rotund hamlet]

The channel tunnel is deep underground, there's no salt water to speak of

[twin dew]

Not talking about train electrification right now, just general power grid.

[rotund hamlet]

voltage at the catenary is 25kV AC 50Hz

max initially asked about AC in trains

[twin dew]

Switched to reason for this

[rotund hamlet]

you don't

you use battery or hydrogen

unless there is existing power infra you can piggyback off

[twin dew]

Higher voltage AC line next to the train, and then periodic downconverting transformers feeding the electrification.

Which is too expensive for the cheapscate MBAs wanting quick returns.
But the same people wouldn't build the new rail line anyways.

And aren't maintaining the current rails either.

Which is why US has weekly train derailments AFAIK.

As the rails and trains are just rotting away.

Was daily train derailments when media tracked it after those couple high profile ones.

[rotund hamlet]

The locos are taken good care of, the track and rolling stock not so much

[twin dew]

Sorry, used "trains" for both locomotives and rolling stock.

[rotund hamlet]

The line blurs when you bring passenger trains into the discussion lol

[edgy hazel]

I think even diesel locos are still the most efficient cargo transport compared to their fossile based alternatives

[rotund hamlet]

diesels with batteries and regenerative brakes for downward grades

hydrogen is being explored as an option for long distance, batteries are good on their own in shunters

[gilded helm]

I still want to know what that 1700 amp cable would look like.

(from the SAE article I posted earlier)

[edgy hazel]

I think like 60% of our rail is electric so we good anyways

[rotund hamlet]

where

[edgy hazel]

🇩🇪

[rotund hamlet]

ah yeah

[gilded helm]

www.sae.org/news/2022/06/littelfuse-megawatt-charging-commercial-electric-vehicles

[rotund hamlet]

overhead wire freight would be best, but the class I companies don't wanna because bad

[gilded helm]

Article is for trucks, the same could apply to trains or anything else though

[rotund hamlet]

something something clearance for autoracks even though the entire rest of the world manages to put the wires high enough

[edgy hazel]

I love electric vehicles (especially trains and scooters because fuck cars) but I hate their battery

Lithium is such a trash material

[gilded helm]

I don't want to get my hopes up. But it feels like multiple manufacturers are serious enough about solid state batteries. They'll probably only be in the high-end brands like Lexus at first. But in 10 years who knows. Or maybe it'll be 30 years before they can scale production. 🤷

[rotund hamlet]

also, genset units
a genset is multiple diesel engines that work together and stop turning according to demand
most if not all locos have only one engine here

[gilded helm]

Hopefully that translate to smaller and lighter laptop batteries as well.

[edgy hazel]

Wearable tech

[rotund hamlet]

gensets mean lower idle/low power emission and redundancy, but at the cost of maintenance

[edgy hazel]

If batteries weren't as heavy and shit I'd already have daily driver AR glasses

[twin dew]

Most of the various tested Solid State Batteries are still lithium based.
Difference is just that liquid electrolyte is switched to solid.

[gilded helm]

The longevity of solid state batteries could also be interesting. If they can withstand cycles well enough, fast charging might make people want the same capacity batteries overall. If you can get most of the juice in a couple minutes, you don't need a bigger capacity necessarily. For laptops and smaller devices.

[twin dew]

Yes.

Torque you can get from electric motor at near zero speed is immense compared to what any combustion engine can do.

And the efficiency of combustion engine is best at certain speed.
So you use the combustion engine running at optimum efficient speed to generate electricity, that you use for electric motors.

[dire igloo]

Lead or tungsten pellets

Because somehow people seem to think that higher weight directly correlates with higher quality

[twin dew]

Lot of higher end gaming mice have tuneable weight too.
With removeable weights.

Because different people like differing amounts of inertia.

[dire igloo]

This is a joke btw

[twin dew]

Well what would you call these?
The weight system on Logitect G502

There have been other ones out there with some kind of caddy you can pull out with removable weights, but just cannot find them right now.
Don't know the right search terms.

[dire igloo]

They're not lead iirc

Also, Z906 are speakers

[twin dew]

Ah, whops.
But in terms of speakers, high weight is good thing usually.

If it is from more rigid construction.

[dire igloo]

I feel like high weight for tech is like high wattage for vacuum cleaners

People think that more means better but there's no actual reason for it

And at some point manufacturers start bullshitting their way into people's minds - in this case lead pellets, for vacuum cleaners gigantic resistors producing heat

[twin dew]

With PSUs it was about larger heatsinks.
As the cheap ones at one point were cheaping out on that.

Not directly relevant anymore, as the good PSUs have better components that produce less heat, so the heatsink size can be smaller.

[dire igloo]

I recently got myself open box Z323 for 30€, actually an upgrade over my 200+€ Razer Leviathan

Talked to an audio engineer about recommendations.
All her go-to picks weren't available here in Germany

[dire igloo]

Who's not selling here?
Creative? They're readily available

Tho I'd like to have some Klipsch

ProMedia 2.1 was listed as a top tier pick

[dire igloo]

Mail forwarding service?

[winged valley]

The classroom for my fundamentals of computing class has 2 old LGA1151 stock coolers lying out that have been out of use for who knows how long

All I know is that they didn't wipe the paste off and it is hard as a rock like you would literally need to scrape it off with something hard

[gray mauve]

I still have some LGA775 and AM2 coolers lying around... 😅
But generally using some alcohol to clean the paste off works best if it's old.

[winged valley]

You overestimate the ability of an introductory computer classroom to have 71+% isopropyl

I think I use 73 at work, def not 91. I know because I've seen it put on LCD's and they didn't melt

Although 91 would be nice for board cleaning...

[sand saddle]

Or.... just heat it up

[winged valley]

with what

theres nothing lying around to heat it with

[sand saddle]

Take them home and heat there then

[pure karma]

thermal paste softens from heat? well i guess that would make sense

i guess the expansion of a material would soften it because your seperating the particles or whatever

[sand saddle]

Thermal paste doesn't really expand with heat

[pure karma]

well im just aplying expand in a basic sense (cold=shrink heat=expand)

but yea you probably wouldent want thermal paste expanding much under heat

[dire igloo]

shrink and expand are very clearly defined terms. If it neither increases nor decreases in size, it neither shrinks nor expands

polymers have a glass temperature at which they become ductile

[edgy hazel]

I be getting my own domain tmrw

[tough owl]

I have my own domain already

[charred pewter]

ive had my domain for so long ive paid ridiculous amounts over the years in renewals 😄

[pure karma]

what do you guys even use it for just learning network stuff or what?

seems like owning a domain is fairly common

[charred pewter]

i used it for my website and my emails

[winged valley]

My domain name is very stupid and costs me $13 a year

Its even a .com

[jagged snow]

Oh neato

[winged valley]

It is currently used for nothing other than a hostname for my vpn and some game servers I have yet to set up a reverse proxy

[jagged snow]

I've been debating heavily between two domains

One's a .net and the other is a less common TLD

[winged valley]

Mine has rizz in its name

[jagged snow]

www.forkliftcertified.com

[winged valley]

lol

Isn't the www subdomain just a formality at this point?

[jagged snow]

More or less

[winged valley]

Also

I might be going crazy

[jagged snow]

Oh?

[winged valley]

But in the past I have tried to set up an internal intranet for various docker containers and it did not work

you know like seafile/ goes to seafile

When that didn't work I tried using a trial version of windows server 2016 to set up DNS forwarding to internal subdomains (seafile.example.com) but that didn't work either

And nothing I saw on le interwebs was anything but cryptic and hard to follow

So is this a simple operation I'm overthinking or is it complicated and hard to explain

[jagged snow]

What address space were you using?

[winged valley]

Wdym by address space?

As in /24?

[jagged snow]

That's subnet mask

[winged valley]

Then I am confused

[jagged snow]

I'm just making sure that you weren't using an address with a first octet value of 224-255

[winged valley]

Oh no

standard 192

[jagged snow]

And you were just trying to route between containers on the same machine?

[winged valley]

No

Whole network

[jagged snow]

ah

[winged valley]

WebUI's

[wanton orchid]

online network related stuff is too freaking often misleading

[jagged snow]

Yeah...

[winged valley]

And and

[wanton orchid]

good ressources are made to be read by people already knowing most of the things

it's hard

[winged valley]

I know Unraid does some magic for hostname resolution

Because my main server shows up by name no problem

But docker containers dont and I have tried

[jagged snow]

So your issue was just with the internal hostname resolution, right?

Not the network itself

[wanton orchid]

and there are lot of arbitrary "standard" in the mix
like how Linux check machine domain first and mDNS and /etc/resolv.conf etc

first things first check your understanding of a physical network
and on what physical network your dicker will work

then the logical network part

(physical network can have multiple logical networks, that mostly how dual stack is done)

[winged valley]

ipvlan so technically no physical network. Otherwise its just my main home network

Logical network is 127 scheme I think

[wanton orchid]

then understand that any communication is done inside the network
any communication with outside needs a forwarder

that is inside

[winged valley]

No I'm sorry my containers are all running on custom IP's in my main network

[jagged snow]

Why not use DHCP?

[wanton orchid]

physical to the network perspective itself it can be emulate

[winged valley]

Why do I WANT random addressing

[jagged snow]

More scalable and eliminates human config error

[winged valley]

Wdym human config error? Address conflicts?

[jagged snow]

Or wrong subnet mask, or incorrect gateway...

[wanton orchid]

dhcp only is very practical for client machines
for servers you want static unless you also have dns management

[winged valley]

Fair although the way unraid handles docker addressing that isn't really an issue

[jagged snow]

Yeah, that's true

[winged valley]

The worst that could happen is duplicate IP

[jagged snow]

Although I was under the impression that this net was mostly clients?

[winged valley]

Oh and thats actually another thing that has been really annoying. I want to put my docker containers (or at least most of them) on eth1 which is configured as the sole member of br1 and not a member of br0. Yet when I have the above config for docker settings unraid only lets me set an IP on br0 and not br1 like why

[winged valley]

Well yes it is mostly clients but all of my containers are hosts not clients

[jagged snow]

Ah, so you're just doing static configs on the containers?

[wanton orchid]

So first dredgen make sure you have clear "physical network" and clear logical network in your head
before you are going for it
remember any machine that need to communicate also need to be in the network

[winged valley]

Yes

[winged valley]

Please dumb it down for me a bit more or elaborate more

I am an aspiring network engineer, but I'm not one yet lol

[wanton orchid]

physical network : where network communication take place :

• switch
• cable
• switch ports
• emulated switch
• dockers interface and network namespace
• vlan
• etc ..

logical network : how your network identify
how machines recognizes each other's :

• network address
• mask
• subnet
• each single address on interfaces
• what machine needs to join what other address

all this must match in a single unique network for all machines to be able to talk to each other's

[winged valley]

Ohhhh okay

[wanton orchid]

remember Internet is short for "inter-network" it must have working "network" part before working on "inter" part

[winged valley]

So in my case with the containers, its configured as ipvlan but I am assigning them static IP's on my main network through a bridge configured on eth0, so that would make it physically on my network then yes?

[wanton orchid]

ipvlan is a type of interface

only that

I guess yes

though I don't really understand how you are mixing bridge and ipvlan

ipvlan are interface serving specific ip on a bare interface
so all ips have the same bare interface

[languid gulch]

i want an internet set up in series & not a web

[jagged snow]

You mean a bus topology?

Used to be extremely common

[languid gulch]

wanna access a server in NYC? go thru every computer between here & there

[jagged snow]

Yeah, it's only really practical on LAN and even then really only works for a few devices

Star topology works better in almost every way

Only downside is that it's sometimes more physical cabling

[wanton orchid]

I mean you can technically put ipvlan directly on eth0 without bridge
it don't remember how ipvlan on same interface can communicate with each other's though

[languid gulch]

i'm assuming that this version of the internet will crash & burn once quantum computers get mass adoption alongside some built-in security in the base code

[jagged snow]

For insecure communication, it's still perfectly fine

And quantum-hardened encryption algos are much farther along than quantum tech itself

[wanton orchid]

feels like dredgen gave up

[jagged snow]

heh, yeah

Networking can be a nightmare

I've recently been working on earnign some basic networking certs

[languid gulch]

quantum GPUs when

[jagged snow]

Never

[wanton orchid]

Man I was so going to answer dredgen questions

[jagged snow]

@winged valley you gone?

[winged valley]

Busy atm give me a min

[wanton orchid]

rechecked : they can if ipvlan in bridge mode (not to be confused with bridge device/port) i.e not private nor vepa

if you only want ipvlan interfaces to talk to physical machines (ipvlan interface are only logical) and when directly joined
then you can make ipvlan interfaces in L3 private mode

if you want them to be as if full machine was there you need L2 mode and if you want them to communicate between them you want to select/let bridge flag (not private)

every client device need to have adress in the same network
or send to a default gateway that have one and allow forwarding on that network

what I get your current docker interface setup is :

eth0 phy -- bridge -- br0 > > >
ipv0 | ipv1 | ipv2

ipv0 address must not be set neither on eth0, br0 nor any other interface

if you don't need ipv0 to talk to ipv2, ipv2 to ipv1 etc..
L3 private is recommended

(btw you can setup ipvlan with dhcp but it's tricky, basically holding dhcp communication on br0 and having dhcp daemon dynamically managing ipvlan interface instead of changing br0 settings)

(I did that with custom dhclient setup scripts)

(you can even translate and transfer dhcp requests with that kind of setup)

ok I must go now

I thought you would have come a bit later

[twin dew]

And you can have fixed IPs even with DHCP.
Given by the DHCP server based on MAC or computer name etc.

But anyways, my RAM settings don't work anymore if RAM PMIC temperature sensor reading gets to 72C or over.
And the difference in stable settings is absolutely gigantic.
Wasted couple of weeks trying to stabilize again at those high RAM temperatures, but seems the "fix" is just to make sure they never get there.
The test setup was pretty forced, and with fans set to default Silent profile the RAM only hits 60-62C when there isn't GPU heat load in mix.

Or needing to run almost same settings as MB sets as Auto.

[steel peak]

Are the CompTIA books worth any salt

[valid eagle]

hello there. Anyone with a i9 14900k to give your feeling about it ?

i'm about to change my setup, and i'm still wondering what CPU

currently digging into it

[edgy hazel]

It sure is a CPU

[twin dew]

For what use?
And what kind of budget?

[valid eagle]

well

budget is arround 2k for CPU / motherboard / RAM

[twin dew]

Because for most non-professional usage it is overpriced and over-hot.

[valid eagle]

• nvme

as max

yeah that's what i suspect, but well. my last CPU last me 12 years 😄

so i kinda like when they are performant

i'm currently on a 3770K i7

overclocked since i have it to 4.4

i'm mostly a player

[edgy hazel]

And something like a 7900x3D?

[valid eagle]

titan X

[twin dew]

Or 7800X3D if just for games.
And not for work.

[valid eagle]

was on 680 before that

[twin dew]

Or even just dropping down model or two on the Intel side.

[edgy hazel]

But 3D

https://tenor.com/view/wow-iota-chris-farley-tanglevision-cryptocurrency-gif-22350373

[valid eagle]

it will be either i7 or i9 for intel

for amd, i'm still gathering infos

[edgy hazel]

If you mostly game a x3D is nice

[twin dew]

Big question is that if you only play, or do significant amount of number crunching on the computer too.

Actual CPU power hungry work type stuff.

[valid eagle]

only number crunching are mounting videos

but not professionaly at all

[twin dew]

"mounting"?

[valid eagle]

creating

short films

[twin dew]

Do you use GPU or CPU encoding to do that?
Lot of multilayer effects or just basic cutting?

[valid eagle]

basic cutting

[twin dew]

So if using GPU accelerated encoding, not lot of CPU usage in it either.

[valid eagle]

for now i'm happy with the titan X as gpu

works still perfectly fine for my needs

[twin dew]

So any game-optimized CPU is enough.
And doesn't need to really be thought for CPU heavy work scenarios, as the game-CPU will do the other stuff well enough.

[valid eagle]

but CPU and ram are struggling hard for the past 2 years

so you would tend to say i9 is overstocked for my needs

i like to hear that 🙂

[twin dew]

So AMD 7800X3D or Intel 13600K/700K / 14600K/14700K.

Or even non-K, would need to check the exact differences in those.

[valid eagle]

the difference is basically overclocking

[twin dew]

Because there isn't just "overclocking or not" anymore.

No, Intel has been doing much bigger changes in last 5 years or so.

[valid eagle]

the coefficient clock is the difference

[twin dew]

To level of different core counts in some models.

[valid eagle]

must dig into that too

[twin dew]

So there can be core count, power max and frequency max differences now.

For 14700 to 14700K it is 0.2GHz P-core max frequency difference and 65/219W to 125/253W power.

[valid eagle]

that's a lot of power for a few % upgrade

[twin dew]

If the MB were following that base power and turbo time limits, that would make huge difference.
It the MB isn't following the base power limit, then the difference will be miniscule.

Because the CPU would be power limited and running at significantly lower frequency once the turbotime-max has run out.

[valid eagle]

i heard they may remove hyperthreading for 15th

[real grove]

Do you think the following pc is good for Gaming: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/t7BvYN

[twin dew]

But AFAIK almost all LGA1700 MBs can at least be set to ignore the Intel stock limits, like all previous MBs.
And plenty of them do it by default.

[valid eagle]

thanks a lot for all these infos

helps a lot gathering info 🙂

[twin dew]

But check that AMD 7800X3D, it is in many ways the current gaming king CPU.

[valid eagle]

yep for sure

i want to dig into amd too.

as i didnt follow much for tech specs in the last 10 years

there's a lot to learn before making a choice 🙂

[dire igloo]

Low quality mainboard, also why ATX?
For WIFI, you can always add an AX200 or AX210 based chip.

Overpriced RAM (T-Create Delta CL38) and SSD (Vi5000 import from Japan or NM710).

For PSU: model over brand (!!!), you're fine with even 850W, definitely don't need any more than 1kW.

Mediocre fans, consider Thermalright TL-C12C-S, TL-S12-S or TL-M12(-S).
Alternatively, P12 ARGB (more expensive tho)

[real grove]

Which motherboard Would you use

[dire igloo]

B650M Pro RS or B650 LiveMixer

[real grove]

Ok thanks

[pure karma]

i dont regret getting lian li al120V2's but there quite expensive

like 100$ or more for a set of 3

but on the positive there one of the few things that dident arive broken

[dire igloo]

AL V2 are some of the best performing RGB fans out there

[pure karma]

at this point practically anything that survives me is bulletproof

[dire igloo]

That said, only few usecases actually benefit from that performance over the likes of TL-C12C-S

[pure karma]

yea i personally would defedently spend the extra money to get them again whenever i build a pc again

id rather spend extra money on products that i know are reliable than take chances at products i dont know or havent had good experiences whit

im defedently pushing deepcool to the side for a while

havent had issues whit gigabyte other than there god awfull gpu mounts

the western digital m.2's have been great

everything else has had minor but expected issues that i woudlent really go out of my way to avoid

[charred pewter]

whats a decent low key, no frills, clean, free mp3 player on windows ?

[dire igloo]

Foobar2000 is great I heard

[dire igloo]

Always remember tho:
Model over brand

Lian Li SL V2 and SL INF perform rather poorly as fans

Every brand has good and bad products

[dire igloo]

Take SN350 for example

Or the usually horribly overpriced SN850X

[charred pewter]

so many fans out there too

Foobar2000 ???

is that something you wrote 😄

[dire igloo]

Nope

It's one of the most popular pieces of audio software for enthusiasts

[charred pewter]

k i'll give it a shot ... MediaPlayer on win11 drives me up the wall on something as simple as "remove this song from the library" ... =p

i got sick of trying to cast my music through bluetooth speakers, so i copied ALL my mp3s over to my PC (which is hooked up directly to my big 5.1 speaker system) ... but now i need to figure out which songs are not "Work Jam" lol ...

the way the ipod was, i couldnt get 'work jam' list off it to the pc ... long story, short answer; APPLE ... so im basically starting over a new jam playlist built from my entire mp3 library

but i got some stuff in here thats not very .... jam worthy .... like nature songs, and celtic vocalists and stuff hahaha ...

nice thing is im discovering some songs i completely forgot i had, and sound fun

AI! ... Embrace the AI revolution. It is here for us, and for our future! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1SgKJ8JFB0

[tough owl]

I love the onion

[sand saddle]

Pretty much what fireworker said
Why that case and air cooler? Why non-rgb fans on the cooler?

[tough owl]

we love macos

[cobalt ivy]

any suggestions for good office/game chairs for tall ppl (IE, going high enough and have more upper leg/butt support)?

[sharp oasis]

Can you use a hexidecimal editor to edit a vbios?

[twin dew]

If you know what each location means, and if you need to edit some checksum elsewhere too etc.

[sharp oasis]

So a learning curve it is ig.

[twin dew]

hex-editors are just pure binary editors.

[sharp oasis]

Yeah. One I tryed tryed to sort it into plaintext and I could make out some locations off the bat.

Something something end something table.

[twin dew]

But remember that address of anything must not change.
So need to be careful not to remove or add anything.

Only replace.

[sharp oasis]

Yeah.

I'll work more today

And see what I cook up

[mental oriole]

Why is the icon happy?

Must be a good thing.

[charred pewter]

🙂 Your computer is on fire 🙂 everything is fine 🙂 -macOS

[visual tree]

Those damn kids who keep ringing my doorbell and running away, little do they know I got cameras everywhere lol

[maiden coyote]

apparently baldor informed me that nivida gpu's have a security processor called falcon that checks for unauthorized bios's so ymmv with editing. I had found some other stuff about bypassing it to use another unverified bios, but it's on my other pc.

the most vbios editing I've one is padding to make a 128kbit bios fit on a 512kbit flash. I used something like cat original.bin /dev/zero | dd bs=1024 count=512000 of=padded.bin

[dire igloo]

Put a screen on the doorbell. Next time they approach to ring, show them a live feed of them with some horror monster edited into the background

Like lurking behind the trashcans

[visual tree]

Nah, their biggest punishment is that I know their parents and have their phone number

I will let them get away with it this time but if they repeat the same, I'm telling their parents

[dire igloo]

Do you know their names?
Send them a letter addressed to them

Include a note "I know what you did" from newspaper snippets

[visual tree]

People don't even realize we have cameras installed because they are dome cameras. They probably think they are some kind of lights lol

[dire igloo]

And a screenshot

[visual tree]

lol

[dire igloo]

Traumatize dem kids

[visual tree]

And yes, I know the name of the chubby boy

The other kid is some friend, don't know his name

[dire igloo]

Also, Smart Piss

[visual tree]

At least they haven't gone so far as some crazy kids who throw rocks at windows. Glad I don't have such kids in my place

[charred pewter]

time to put a glob of really sticky goo on the doorbell button

if you are looking to replace the button (or remove it, seriously, doorbells wtf?) ... put superglue on it so they get stuck next time LOL

[visual tree]

My mailman is going to pissed lol

You never know who else is going to press the button 😅

[charred pewter]

no one comes to my door that is wanted ... 😄

[charred pewter]

so i dunno what all fuss is about, my 850w psu has been working just fine with this 14 series intel and 4080 gpu ...

i definitely dont need a 1000w psu

[jagged snow]

What PSU is it?

Some are far better equipped to handle transient spikes than others

And the atx 3.0 spec places much higher requirements for that on the PSU as well

So if it's 12v HPWR native then that's probably fine

[charred pewter]

a corsair rmx850

its not native, didnt come with a cable

[jagged snow]

Still one of the better psus in production, so not entirely surprising

[charred pewter]

im using a corsair version right angle cable (so it just has plugs to the psu, and 1 plug to the gpu... no adaptor crap)

[dire igloo]

Ever tortured it with simultaneous Furmark, Prime95 and OCCT?

[charred pewter]

heh! no

[dire igloo]

See?

[charred pewter]

i'd need a deep freeze full boiling liquid cooling setup, cause the 14 series would throttle itself so hard

that 14 series really is kind of a joke, to be honest 😉

[dire igloo]

Except 14700K

That one's actually decent

[jagged snow]

Yeah, it still should've been a 13750k imo

Just two extra e-cores doesn't make it an entire new gen

Or even 13790k if you want to denote that it's a more significant bump in perf than all your other refreshed chips

Those could all be xxx50

[charred pewter]

right

uh... yeah i got the 14700k

and no im not overclocking it ... it just runs too hot 😉

[pure karma]

well yea same here whit the 13700K

unless you disable the e-cores under a full load your staying above 80C whether you like it or not

im guessing this is is because of the smaller surface contact and smaller IHS right?

[charred pewter]

unsure

my two p-cores (5 and 6) STILL do this ... ALWAYS ... no matter what, they are baseline just doing this. and it never did this with my 12600k

[pure karma]

prettysure there was some sort of report or something at one point that AMD chips had IHS's twice as thick as intels IHS's

[charred pewter]

its fun when a game just out of the blue does this .... LOL ... like really?

that was "Deliver Us Mars" above there... it just took a dump randomly

[pure karma]

well yea most loading screens read either 0 or like 1000 3000 5000 even 7000+ fps

because your rendering nothing so the framerate just goes trough the roof

and then falls off a cliff

[charred pewter]

naw, the normal rate was playing the game... then suddenly you walk into a room and it drops to 30fps 😄

and even if you go back to where you were, its 30fps

[tough owl]

me on my measly 5600 on a 140mm aio

[dire igloo]

140 AIO?

[charred pewter]

game just took random dumps like that, had to relaunch

[dire igloo]

That's cursed af

[tough owl]

nzxt h1 be like

[charred pewter]

a single 140 fan?

[tough owl]

yup

[charred pewter]

they MAKE those ?

[tough owl]

c1.neweggimages.com/ProductImageCompressAll1280/11-146-331-V27.jpg

[pure karma]

yea nzxt lets you use 140mm fans and 120mm fans in each location other than the side mount on cases like the h9

[charred pewter]

oh dear

[pure karma]

assuming you can get your hands on a 140mm rad in the first place you can mount it

[tough owl]

its not amazing but ive had no issues with my nzxt h1

[charred pewter]

till the pump dies 😄

[tough owl]

🤫

[pure karma]

shhhh myn is defedently not already squealing

as if the 3 fan bearings being totaled wasent enough

you know what im gonna make the list i have been wanting to make of what needs fixing what needs swaping and so on so i can keep up whit everything

[dire igloo]

Nah, til you scrape the riser cable's PCB with the metal screw and short the 12V plane to ground

[tough owl]

its the v2 its fineeee

GN did a test on it

[charred pewter]

that doesnt sound like a good scenario

[dire igloo]

It was one of the biggest manufacturer fuckups in the recent years

P-GM level fuckup

Also horrendous handling of the situation

[charred pewter]

😦

[dire igloo]

Journalists find an issue with one of your products, what do you do?

NZXT's strategy:

1. Blame journalists. They initiated this shitstorm.
2. Blame consumers. This wouldn't happen if they didn't make a mistake during assembly.
3. Quietly provide Nylon screws - but make customers contact you for it, this ain't communism where you get shit for free.

[charred pewter]

sounds like a plan written by an idiot in charge

[dire igloo]

This was their response

[pure karma]

i dont think i missed anything but i probably did

[pure karma]

did the braindead child while i was at it (the alienware)

forgot the rad but yea its working fine

[sharp oasis]

rate the rear panel cable management

H6 flow

[marsh shoal]

looks identical to my h6 flow lmao

[rotund hamlet]

🍝

[jagged snow]

That looks like a render

It's actually messing with my head a little bit

Where is the pc sitting that has that clean, diffused, white side-lighting

All the surfaces are such a perfect eggshell that it looks incredibly unrealistic

[sharp oasis]

its an actual case

[jagged snow]

Yeah, I know

But I still can't look at it without my brain screaming cg

[sharp oasis]

i have gotten that three times so far feom freinds

[jagged snow]

It's the lighting

[sharp oasis]

other then that

hows it look

[jagged snow]

Reasonable

[sharp oasis]

ik a bit spaggati but cable extensions (and running out of cable ties) are a minor pain

[short cloak]

Nowdays I always struggle wondering if it's a photo or a render haha

[sharp oasis]

@jagged snow heres the front

[jagged snow]

Nice, that's a pretty clean build

[sharp oasis]

A different approach to lighting my build then I usually take. I really like how it turned out

(yes mixed ram dies and timings match so it's fine replacing the other kit ASAP)

64gb ram.

[jagged snow]

Cool deal

[winged valley]

64gb and only 2 sticks?

[sharp oasis]

4

The other two are smaller.

[jagged snow]

2x32 is fairly common with ddr5

That's what I've been reccomending for higher-budget builds

[sharp oasis]

Like I said mixed kits die and timing matched tho

[winged valley]

Why would you mix and match RAM? Are they at least the same speed?

[sharp oasis]

See this message

[winged valley]

4x16 has better performance

[sharp oasis]

Fully die and all timings matched.

So no instability at all

[jagged snow]

Depends on the clocks you're pushing

[sharp oasis]

Will be adding all vengeance pro soon

[jagged snow]

And 2x2r should be very similar to 4x1r

Since there are no quad-channel ddr5 consumer platforms

[winged valley]

2 x 2 rank?

What?

[sharp oasis]

Dual rank ram*

Iirc that means two rows of ram ics per dimm

[jagged snow]

Especially on amd, you're going to have no luck trying to push 4 sticks past 6000MT/s

Most of the time, you can't get 4 sticks past 5200

[winged valley]

yes

Hey wait a minute

[jagged snow]

A full minute?

[winged valley]

CPU's are programmed at the factory right?

How has nobody figured out how to reprogram older ones

[jagged snow]

What do you mean by that?

[winged valley]

FPGAs are my inspiration for this nonsensical idea

[twin dew]

This camera installation wouldn't be legal in Finland...
You aren't allowed to record into the street, only your own property.

[jagged snow]

Oh that's very interesting

In the US, you can record anything on public land

And you can record anything on private property that's visible from public areas

So it's perfectly legal for me to stand on the sidewalk and record you in your front yard

[twin dew]

And even on your own property, all visitors must have been informed that they are being recorded.
Either by signs or telling them. So they can consent or leave.

[jagged snow]

Oh wow, that's fascinatingly strict

[winged valley]

So hypothetically

[jagged snow]

US is informed consent for recording in most places as well iirc, but for all interactions my state is single-party consent

[winged valley]

If there was a bombing in finland, and the perpetrator was identified through video, but the video was from a single source - an illegal camera

Would it be inadmissable?

[twin dew]

No, taking video of crime is legal in all cases.
But all the other people in it would probably need to be made unidentifiable before showing outside closed doors.

The protections against "hidden recording" don't apply to active criminals.

The law is AFAIK very old and originally made against voice tape recording without consent.
But written so broadly that security cameras etc. apply.

Finland is two-party consent for any kind of voice recording on phone etc.
Which is why most company help lines etc. will state that the call will be recorded.
You consent by continuing the call.

[jagged snow]

US is a mix, most states are single party consent but some are all party consent

So if you're calling a line that serves more than one state you'll usually get the message informing you that you consent to being recorded by continuing the call

[twin dew]

Also, if your security cameras record outside your property like that, it would be considered Personal information registry under GDPR if I understood it correctly.
If the persons in the video can be identified visually from it. (good enough quality faces)

[jagged snow]

And then you have outliers like Oregon which is two party consent most of the time but single party in specific scenarios.

In person conversations are all party consent but phone calls are single party

[jagged snow]

What does that mean?

[twin dew]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation
In EU, collecting personal information needs legit cause, and specific handling.

[wanton orchid]

gdpr is European laws relating to personal information storage and processing

[jagged snow]

I've heard the term in connection with advertising and data collection with online services, just wasn't sure how it related here

Thanks for clarifying

[twin dew]

The handling etc. clauses would apply to surveillance video taken of public spaces.

With high enough fidelity to make people identifiable.

[wanton orchid]

or to participate in making them identifiable

including the ability for any such people to request removable of the stored records

by right of "being forgotten"

[dire igloo]

It's the General Data Protection Regulation.
Applies to basically all areas where data is collected in one form or another

[visual tree]

Better ask my lawyer about GDPR then 😅. I have already given some recordings to the police at their demand due to theft at the nearby construction site and they never complained about recording public spaces

They were only disappointed motion-trigger is defined inside my property but I fixed that so the camera is now recording when motion is detected in any area

[twin dew]

So the original motion trigger mode would have made them mostly legal here.
As the recording of public spaces would only have been incidental (motion inside property) and not "contant" (motion also outside property).

[edgy hazel]

Yeah recording outside your property is a no-no here

Gimme my domain idiots

[dire igloo]

Police don't enforce GDPR tho.
They don't give a shit about it, more often than not it actually hinders them in what they do - because of surveillance constrictions

[mental oriole]

This applies in sweden as well.

[edgy hazel]

Technically these recordings are not allowed in court and the defendant is also able to sue

[night girder]

Is it me, or is AMD crap with crashes? 😒 As in, something funky happens, AMD doesn't know what to do with it, crashes the PC.

I could try another clean install of the drivers and AMD software. But like, my PC is stable for a month now, I press F11 in minecraft (goes from full screen to window mode), my PC freezes for a few seconds. And bam Kernel 41; didn't popwer down properly. Only difference with the other crashes I had (from FLCK probably) is that now it rebooted in a weird resolution for some reason 😒

At this point it feels like my machine just can't handle any type of errors and then continues to just shut down the whole rig.

And before you say anything Baldur, I kept in mind that it might be my CPU that is dying. I am keeping an eye on a X3D in the future 😄

[jagged snow]

I used to blame that on amd and now I'm convinced that it's almost entirely a Windows problem

[night girder]

Only reason I say AMD is that I never, ever ever had PC crashes like this with my intel + nvidia combo. For 8 years straight!

I never even had a GPU crash with Nvidia.

And now in only 3 months or so, I had like what? 20-40 full PC hard crashes without any errors?

[jagged snow]

I was having random unexplainable crashes in all sorts of games and I'd fully stripped down my entire PC and rebuilt it, swapped vbios, DDU & reinstall, reinstalled all the games, nothing made any difference.

Finally I reinstalled windows and I'm several months completely crash free

[night girder]

I did all off that already 😒 I did like 3-4 windows installs.

[jagged snow]

Do you have an Nvidia gpu to swap in? If not, just pick up something on eBay for around 100 bucks and swap it in, see if it solves your problem

But what you described also sounds like it could be a power delivery issue

[night girder]

Nah, this is way to random to be a power issue.

[jagged snow]

I thought it happened mostly on alt tab?

[night girder]

I swear to god, PC + something unexpected = full PC crash. And it can be anything. Alt tabbing. FLCK. Downloading a game. Pressing F11 by accident in minecraft.

Just standing AFK in GW2 in a city. Changing resolution. All made my PC crash so far.

[jagged snow]

My go-to with random unrelated and unexplainable crashes is typically psu or memory

[night girder]

The FLCK to 1700 made the system way more stable. Since then I had no more crashes, untill today when I accidently pressed F11 😄

[jagged snow]

Otherwise that does just sound like dying hardware

[night girder]

So that's 26 days stable? And I press F11, and bam PC dies. Also, first time it rebooted in low resolution for some reason 😒 (after it crashed)

[winged valley]

I pretty much confirmed that my laptops ram is bad bc memtest instantly spat out enough errors to fail when the dma test started

And with all the bugcheck codes pointijg to memory one way or another, yeah

So now I HAVE to upgrade it to 32gb woo

[twin dew]

That DMA test is experimental.
If the other tests didn't have errors, it might have nothing to do with the RAM.

[sand saddle]

Damn, I would've just returned the CPU if it can't handle 2000mhz lol

[sand saddle]

What are you running your ram at then?

Nvm, it was UCLK that was synced with ram

FCLK is independent

[night girder]

Eh, I don't think I stood a chance. And I wanted to game (so, not having a CPU sucks).

My current plan is to price watch that 7800 X3D

[sand saddle]

You really lost the silicon lottery

[night girder]

Baldur thinks it might have been the motherboard frying the CPU.

Or atleast causing some sort of permanent damage.

And now it's slowing dying. But we can't know for sure.

[twin dew]

I have been expecting this to be case of VSOC debacle from not updating MB BIOS before installing the CPU.

[sand saddle]

Rip

I like flashing the bios before booting up the PC for the first time, makes me feel good and ig good practice?

[night girder]

Yeah, know I know.

I was just dissapointed today that it was stable for a month and now a stupid F11 (fullscreen to smallscreen) caused the PC to hard crash. It's Minecraft so shouldn't be that dramatic.

And I gamed a lot the post couple of weeks. So it's not that I didn't game for a month or something.

[twin dew]

If it start to crash commonly now, then the hypothesis would be much closer to being confirmed.

That there is IOD damage from VSOC that is causing the max FCLK to go down with time.

[sand saddle]

Btw Baldur I ordered the shit, not the exact parts we looked at, but same logic should apply.
In reality the shit I'll be running is much lower wattage so I didn't have to go as overkill and I found the same PWM to DC converter for cheaper. Will arrive next week.

[night girder]

If the 7800 X3D hits around the 300 euro's again I am getting it.

[edgy hazel]

where is my domaaaaiinnnn

does .online usually take this long?

this is like day 2 now

[sand saddle]

Try RMAing the CPU. Don't claim enabling expo, claim to be a very good boy who followed the rules, tried different components and found out the CPU is causing the crashes.

It's honestly not that hard to lie if that's what it takes, in the end, it wasn't your fault.

[twin dew]

The ASRock BIOS seems to be setting weird stuff by default.
Like always defaulting to 2000MHz FCLK?

When AMD base one is 1733.

[sand saddle]

Don't they all?

[twin dew]

No.
Asus only set higher FCLK when you set RAM to higher frequency, either manually or with XMP/EXPO.

[sand saddle]

Ah, yeah, with expo

That's pretty much what I consider default, my mistake

[night girder]

Yeah, reading about it now. It's pretty much this: www.amd.com/en/registration/warranty-services-portal.html

Funny part is that the retailer says: AMD will repair the CPU or send a new one. How does one repair a CPU? 😒

Isn't it cheaper for AMD to just ship a new one? Instead of trying to repair it. Sounds costly to me.

[twin dew]

That is what happens in reality.

[sand saddle]

How does one repair a CPU?
That's the neat part, they don't

[night girder]

Ok, so my gut feeling was correct. Why is the retailer saying that haha 😂

[twin dew]

Generic line.

[sand saddle]

I've started to ignore retailer text about products, they don't know shit

The quality control on what gets copy pasted on those pages is non-existent for nearly all online shops

And they will find a way to put it in ToS or somewhere it says that manufacturer specs take priority. Or whatever can get them out of legal trouble.

[night girder]

imagine if someone really was repairing CPU's @ AMD one by one 😂

[night girder]

Yeah, I think this is just a copy paste and they replaced one word to processor and voila 😄

[sand saddle]

Typical shopping experience is finding conflicting text in the tile, description and specs

This is from thermalright official page:
MFs figured out a way to say addressable non-addressable

ARGB is in the product name

[night girder]

😂

[sand saddle]

And I guess can be claimed since they're using the header? Even though it's only to power static leds.

Anyways, little fucks

[edgy hazel]

th

[sand saddle]

Wait, no argb cable either? WUT?

[night girder]

was there a new X3D in the pipeline?

[edgy hazel]

thermalwrong

[sand saddle]

I asked my friend to go skiing, MF so far has replied:
In theory
In principle(commonly used in our language)
In principle can I guess

I think he has problems saying no, though I haven't noticed it too much.

[jagged snow]

You have skiing locally to you?

[sand saddle]

Cross country skiing, yes

[jagged snow]

Oh, I see

I was thinking you lived in a relatively warm/flat area

[sand saddle]

We're right under Finland

Tallinn and Helsinki often have the same exact weather

[jagged snow]

Very interesting

[sand saddle]

I mean...

Damn google maps can't decide on what language to use

[night girder]

Ah, it was the "Ryzen 7 5700X3D" that should get released this year Q1

[twin dew]

Already was

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llKZzym9hAo

[night girder]

€ 265,- euro's not bad.

[dire igloo]

TIL there are points of Estonia further away from Tallinn than Helsinki

[winged valley]

I know, its just the fact that I've gotten 30bsods in the past 2 weeks and literally all of them trace back to some kind of issue with memory

Im inclined to believe it

Also lately I've been having inconsistent boot issues where several different .sys drivers dont load

I've tried reinstalling twice on 2 different drives so

[charred pewter]

😆 https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1alz1gm/i_ordered_a_ryzen_5_7600x_and_this_is_what_i_got/

[languid gulch]

BG3: suggests 8gb vram gpu
also BG3:

[jagged snow]

Windows is getting sudo

[wanton orchid]

ovh have a 120s delivery policy

[tough owl]

when?

devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/introducing-sudo-for-windows/

thanks I hate it

[jagged snow]

You're welcome

[gilded helm]

Steam Deck owners, how much should it charge in 30, 60, and 90 minutes? I have my doubts that this 12v Ugreen car charger can even sustain 65W. After an hour, the Deck went up to 53% from whatever the auto shut off point is. Then I powered it off again, and 30 minutes later It was at 79%.

[maiden coyote]

Dunno. If the deck can charge while playing then it's a good charger

If it's a bad charger it could damage the pmic and then it won't charge at all

[gilded helm]

I'm just annoyed because the charger says it can do 130W, 100W for C2 and 30W for the other two. But it can't even sustain 100W when nothing is plugged into the other two.

[winged valley]

Read through it and this seems pretty useless

Its very easy to just open an admin window, and both scripts and programs have access to various calls to prompt for admin

The only real world use case I can think of for this is if you want to force authentication on a per command basis, maybe in a corporation

[winged valley]

?

[tough owl]

Mutahar going crazy

[twin dew]

Hopefully I can move my old system to the secondary case tomorrow.
And then actually build the new primary in the primary case next week.

[twin dew]

Time to soon install Win11 on it and check the firewall software options out.

[edgy hazel]

Why networking so hard 😦

Every time I feel like I finally got it, I open a new tab or change a config and I'm completely lost again and nothing works...

Hey hey hey! I made my first major mistake
Wanted to delete a service. Autocomplete bugged out on me and now I've deleted /etc/services/

[twin dew]

I just used 2 hours to download specific Windows 11 ISO, then checked the checksums matched in three different hashes to ones I got from couple other source.
And then went and deleted the file.

So redownloading it now.

[twin dew]

So you just recover those files from automatic snapshot made after last package update?
Right ?)

[edgy hazel]

Haha

[mental oriole]

Gg