off-topic-tech

[edgy hazel]

Yes. But Microsoft still needs to move fast.

[dire igloo]

With "contradictory", do you mean this?
Because that's just theoretical speculation about the scope attack - and I think MS knows more about the real scope than you do.

[night girder]

Interesting to see people jump to MS defense here hihi

[wanton orchid]

you mean it's worse ?
unless you are talking about the global central bank

[night girder]

Do they? Who tells you that? Oh Microsoft.

[edgy hazel]

hihi yes it's literally just a company and people that have worked at a company know, that 90% of the time shit is on fire anyways.

[dire igloo]

you started off by heavily misinterpreting their words

[night girder]

I don't agree with what they say. I don't agree with the message.

[edgy hazel]

the bigger the company the more shit is on fire

[dire igloo]

you don't agree with how they said it

[night girder]

I don't agree they are NOT to blame. I don't agree to blame it on one employee.

[wanton orchid]

no
earlier
the whole "there is no vulnerability for end users"
after saying "the director board of Microsoft which control all your devices may have been partially impersonated"

[dire igloo]

and the easier it becomes to overlook a legacy admin account that someone at some time set up for testing

[edgy hazel]

it's insane that microsoft hasn't leaked account data of millions of companies yet.

[night girder]

😂

Wait wait... so MS overlooks the account. But hackers can find it hahahaha

[edgy hazel]

yes there is a difference between actively looking for it and forgetting an old ticket for a test account

[night girder]

I said twice now.

You can write a script for that or implement systems. I've seen it happen. So many times.

It's Microsoft. THE tech company. And they cannot do that? This just laziness, stupidity or incompetence.

[wanton orchid]

you must still actively look for it
what do you think red teams are for ?
laughing ?

[dire igloo]

that's still speculation - they said it was an attack to gather information. Unless this statement was issued by Midnight Blizzard and MS hasn't had the resources to rectify it yet, I'm fairly certain they would've informed their customers about potential impersonation attacks

[night girder]

Also they used password spray attack, using well known used passwords at random with random accounts in the hope to get access. So I wonder how secure the password was. "1234"

[dire igloo]

what does the script test for? accounts without 2FA? it was set up by someone in IT, they can set up an exception

[wanton orchid]

you are confusing the account scope of action and and the pirate user scope of action
it had critical informations to impact the board directions or simply easily get hand on any other vulnerability without it being obvious
it's a break

[dire igloo]

I've seen it so many times that IT employees disregarded infosec for the sake of comfort

[night girder]

what about password expiration data? every 3 months expire old passwords.

[twin dew]

Account auditing, security auditing etc. should be standard at that level.
Which should include accounts that haven't been logged into in X amount of time etc.

[wanton orchid]

and you think that's normal ?

[night girder]

Ah, now we come back to the old and goodie: comfort vs security.

[dire igloo]

the emails and password changes are annoying. you can set that to 9000d for this one specific account so you can test in peace

[twin dew]

That has been determined to be bad idea in most cases.
And leads to much worse passwords in use in general.

[dire igloo]

I don't think that's normal, but I also don't think MS deserves to receive public scrutiny for that

[night girder]

I am trying to convince them. That you can do something.

These people want to fire the one employee who made that test accounts.

[twin dew]

Yes, failure of security auditing.

[night girder]

and I disagree. I think MS is to blame.

[dire igloo]

as I said, people would rather have an honest devil's advocate than a hypocritical preacher of good

and I think that's bullshit

[twin dew]

Which should be continous process.

[dire igloo]

preaching good does more good than honesty about being evil

[wanton orchid]

still sounds like you think Microsoft is just something doing it's stuff in the corner of the world
please remember your government pcs probably run windows with updates on

[dire igloo]

No I don't. I think Microsoft should follow its own guidelines

[night girder]

Then we agree.

[dire igloo]

but I don't agree with making them the bad guys for being hypocritical

make them the bad guys for being greedy capitalists and privacy violating data hoarders

[wanton orchid]

you focus so hard on hypocriticality
man wake up security is at stake

[dire igloo]

not for getting hacked because they didn't follow their own advice

[wanton orchid]

it's not a matter of taste

[dire igloo]

what security? A potential worst case scenario you made up about this attack?

[night girder]

I don't think I said they were bad in this conversation. I just said they are hypocritical of forcing security updates + hardware req for w11 in the name of security. And then this happens to them internally.

[wanton orchid]

ok, tomorrow you hack Microsoft after investing billions in it
you just brag about it on Facebook then ?
it was all about that ?

let me laugh a bit

[night girder]

unless you have W11 pro, you cannot disabled updates or get control over them. You can postpone em 1 week - 4 weeks. All for security.

[dire igloo]

what?

[wanton orchid]

fireworker please don't assume there is no threat when you just didn't train to notice them first

[dire igloo]

I don't assume there is no threat because I don't see any.
I assume there is no threat because I was told there isn't.

and if there actually was and I do get hacked, then I can blame and sue the person/company telling me there wasn't

that's why you legally have to inform your customers about the scope of a successful cybersecurity attack

[wanton orchid]

then sue hard after getting shot

you free to go by that

[twin dew]

No danger from this specific attack, based on what they found out afterwards.
AFAIK they didn't ever detect it had happened until the data was leaked?

[wanton orchid]

but stop going to me saying we should do that too

[twin dew]

But what kind of other stuff might be going on that they haven't noticed because of bad security processes?

Probably nothing, but cannot know.

[wanton orchid]

don't worry Baldur you should assume they fucked nowhere until the world falls apart

[dire igloo]

yeah, go around wearing a bulletproof vest and hide behind polycarbonate glass if you don't want to get shot. I'll just assume that if someone wants me dead they'd find a way - and before that would even happen, I'm not even interesting enough as a target

[dire igloo]

no THAT'S valid criticism in regards to cybersecurity

[night girder]

exactly! you cannot know, unless you at least try to detect it with systems we already discussed.

The best thing MS can do, is learn, implement solutions and move forward. But I think they might skip step 2. Implement solutions 😉 (just guessing).

[twin dew]

And if someone got to deploy a malware via Windows Update for example...
Or get access to data in the Azure cloud, or the other shared systems...

[dire igloo]

pretty sure they will do what they said and adjust their internal processes in regards to what they tell their customers

[wanton orchid]

"sure" based on what data

[dire igloo]

worst case that SharklienX came up with was that someone impersonated MS leadership and did who knows what

[dire igloo]

past experience with IT companies noticing CS vulnerabilities

[wanton orchid]

and past experiences with Microsoft doesn't count ?

[night girder]

if the hackers got access to inhouse mails. That's valuable information for competition. They might try to sell that data.

[dire igloo]

what past experiences do you have with MS?

[twin dew]

Azure and the other MS cloud solutions contains so much critical data for so many companies, government offices etc...
Not just for MS internal stuff.

[dire igloo]

according to MS's statement, they primarily looked for information regarding themselves

and they got account access, so it technically was possible for the hackers to impersonate someone

but who's to say they did? I certainly am not

[night girder]

Which I find very weird ... 🤨 Nvm. I see what's going on. Haha.

[twin dew]

But another question is, was the data they used to track what happened afterwards valid anymore?
Or edited to hide some stuff?

[wanton orchid]

smb protocol giving out sessions password
corrected very late when related standard security against that problems were here since 20 years ago

[night girder]

Microsoft just distracting us with this piece of information.

They were probably monitoring the mail network for their own hacking group, to notice if MS caught up on the hack.

But I don't think that is the goal. It's just something hackers do once they get in.

Funny how both sides start to monitor each other once they infiltrate. It really is a race.

[dire igloo]

I'm a fan of honeypot hacking

[night girder]

Would be pretty stupid to go through all this effort, with the main goal being to just look up if there is a mention of your hacker group in the mails ...

[dire igloo]

set up the trap, do nothing

[wanton orchid]

you certainly must not do nothing for honeypot to make sense

[dire igloo]

maybe they had targeted another part of MS systems

[night girder]

or they are narcissistic 😄

[wanton orchid]

honeypot need monitoring and heavy maintenance

[dire igloo]

you have to advertise the honeypot, but that's it

[wanton orchid]

otherwise it's just a guesthouse

[dire igloo]

as in: they wanted to check internal communication on whether or not that other attack was spotted or if they were on MS's radar - to either keep their attack going or to disappear so the attack wouldn't be shut down immediately

[twin dew]

No you don't.
As the whole internet is scanned through every few days max by various people.

[night girder]

maybe, I don't think so. They were just checking if they got caught already.

[twin dew]

All ports on all IPv4 addresses.

[night girder]

but MS, being smart, used other channels, I hope.

[twin dew]

There are services that sell that data, and you can search for specific service being run etc.

[dire igloo]

maybe my idea of a honeypot is flawed then - the only one I ever saw was in a school CTF competition as a team's attempt to have their attack make the opposing team think they won
As in: hide the actual flag, make a false flag a trojan horse
Worked well btw

[twin dew]

Almost all cybersecurity firms run honeypots to get samples of new 0-days etc.

[bronze yarrow]

this servers lfg is real dead

[twin dew]

Which aren't announced etc.
Just to monitor what is happening in general.

When new security vulnerability is announced, the firms spin a new honeypot with one of the vulnerable versions of the software running, so they get samples what the various hacker (groups) use the hole for.

If they didn't have one for that software already running before.

[dire igloo]

the worst type of vulnerability publication is the one with proof of concept - because that'll make everyone else adapt even faster

[twin dew]

But honeypot is just computer that is intended to collect data about people hacking into it.
Both from where, how, and what they do afterwards.

[dire igloo]

yeah, the CTF honeypot was different

basically had a simple remote access trojan on it that was disuised as the flag

[wanton orchid]

[honeypot]
if you advertise it : you catch opportunistic attacks
and you hint it's a honeypot
(sorry for delay was searching for "opportunistic" word)

[dire igloo]

fair

you can't overdo it

in the case I was basing basically my entire honeypot knowledge on, the advertisement was fairly simple: make it look like the CTF target

[night girder]

Still, can a honeypot backfire? In this image, we see it's connected to the internal network.

[wanton orchid]

I don't really call this advertisement personally
it's more making sure it's more vulnerable than what you want to protect

[wanton orchid]

that's why I said need monitoring and heavy maintenance otherwise : guesthouse

[twin dew]

And is mostly firewalled from the internal network, just not shown.

[night girder]

well, so is the honeypot. Look at the firewall in front of it 😂

and I don't see a firewall between hub and internal network.

[dire igloo]

eh, you kinda also want people to attack it, so it should look like a target worth attacking

[twin dew]

And implementations vary, usually now a VM, with hypervisor side monitoring.
And both very well separated from the rest of the network, if there even is real network connection.

[twin dew]

Because that seems to be some kind of advert image, or like.
And probably doesn't show all the technical details.

[wanton orchid]

yep

all "astar" stuff taking care of the honeypot include isolating it

[night girder]

a lot of images have similar setup.

What this firewall is doing, no clue though 😂

[wanton orchid]

lmao what is this

[dire igloo]

this looks like a visualization of an AI-generated honeypot setup

someone asked ChatGPT what the network diagram of a honeypot setup looks like and this is what ChatGPT described

[wanton orchid]

man the pc literally is called "internal network"
no that's just equipment man

[dire igloo]

servers aren't part of the internal network

somehow there's two honeypots

the firewall not protecting anything

[night girder]

having multiple honeypots might not be so bad though

[twin dew]

And one of them is acting as general router or like?

[night girder]

that one really cracks me up, it's like it didn't fit the image, and they placed the firewall somewhere else.

[dire igloo]

then Wifi routers between servers and honeypots

[dire igloo]

yeah, but a honey pot as your WAN connector?

[twin dew]

Yes, in some cases you can run honeypots as part of the general network as tripwires.
Which would show that your network was breached when you cannot monitor all systems to requisite level.

You make one that is intentionally the easiest system to spread to, and that any activity on means you were breached.

[wanton orchid]

in a diagram I would show this as a honeypot encased inside a secured router scope
the router itself is not just the honeypot

[twin dew]

But yeah, that one pic is complete crap.

[wanton orchid]

please keep it there it's legendary example of misinformation online

I'm saving this

this is excellent

[night girder]

It's from Grindinsoft antimalware

Never heard of that company though. Was just looking for high level images of a honeypot.

[wanton orchid]

btw I didn't answer, but I did have reaction :
fair

must be very subtil though

I still think calling it advertisement is misleading a bit

[dire igloo]

sounds like a ChatGPT answer to "What should I name my cybersecurity firm?"

[wanton orchid]

they are grinding with their soft

for now my wording for "advertising" honeypot will be "sharing prospectus"

you want them to notice
but you don't want to notice them

[night girder]

duckduckgo doesn't like "," or something?

I am wondering if I might benefit from investing in a decent hub.

Anyone have experiences?

[wanton orchid]

I think these kind of hubs are called docks now

3 usb 1 hdmi/dp 1 ethernet (+ sd card reader ?)

• 1 thunderbolt/usb to laptop

[night girder]

right, just realized it. I should look for docks.

[wanton orchid]

it is kind of inbetween hub and dock

I dont know if it could have a better name

[night girder]

The reason I never went for it, was the price.

[wanton orchid]

front power input ?

[night girder]

back power input 😄

[wanton orchid]

oh

[night girder]

but not sure if I want startech.

[wanton orchid]

I think the other kind of dock should be called docking station

and simple general hub should be called bridge or switchs

so hub/dock is that

[night girder]

problem is, I need to have 2 usb C ports, 4+ usb A ports if possible, 2 HDMI ports, it needs to be power externally and the host interface is usb C too.

and it needs to charge my laptop. And it has to have ethernet 😛

[wanton orchid]

it will not be cheap

[night girder]

blame 🍎

[wanton orchid]

you may make it work with 2 simpler hubs maybe
one with usb/thunderbolt C in and out + hdmi/display + ethernet
and another with all the reminding stuff connected with usb-c to the first one

[night girder]

or I should buy a new macbook, since they added ports back. Fucking apple.

So magsafe is back. HDMI is back. Wtf. Apple. You idiots.

Btw Baldur:

7 days stable. With a lot of GW2 since I was sick.

[night girder]

I have that setup right now and it's just flaky.

when I plug in the hubs into my laptop, my focusrite sometimes doesn't work. I have to plug it in and out until I get audio.

and I can only use one monitor, while I would like to connect two monitors to it.

[charred pewter]

magsafe is better than the shit apple tried to do in the middle there

hdmi on the other hand..... would rather see a DP there instead

but i guess DP confused too many morons buying them, and didnt know how to hook up their tv or whatever

[dire igloo]

I'd love to see more TVs adopt native DP

[jagged snow]

Me too
It's superior to HDMI in every way that matters to me

Although it doesn't support some features like remote power on

Which HDMI does

And the earc equivalent isn't very good either

[dire igloo]

In which way is HDMI superior (outside number of supported devices)?

[jagged snow]

I listed two advantages of hdmi

[dire igloo]

cuz idk what eArc is and remote power on is iirc doable over Ethernet

Smth soundbars use, no?

[jagged snow]

Remote power on lets a device like a console turn the TV on and off over hdmi

Earc is just audio return over the same cable used for input

Which means that if you have multiple sources, you run one to the input on the sound bar and then connect the passthrough to the earc port on your tv

You can then send sound from any input back along that HDMI cable to the sound bar

[dire igloo]

Oh, that makes sense now.
Yeah, I see how that's a feature some people might want

[dire igloo]

This is a gimmick tho

[jagged snow]

I actually like it

At my parents house with automatic input detection it means you pretty much never have to touch the TV remote unless you're actually watching broadcast content

[night girder]

when are you two going to change your PF?

confusing.

[dusk rivet]

fr

[night girder]

both start with and Fi, both black avatars with something red inside. And both fire. One is -works. One is a -place.

[charred pewter]

fr ...

isnt that France

[winged valley]

Im surprised nobody got mad at me in here for ziptieing my gpu

Not as bad as the one time I ziptied a crappy LGA 1366 cooler onto my LGA 1700 CPU bc I was waiting for my RMA AIO to come in tho

[charred pewter]

ziptie?

[winged valley]

yes

[charred pewter]

i used to have a galvanized steel wire twisted around my CPU and down to one of the heatpipes on my GPU to keep it suspended (this was before they started shipping hanger brackets)

[winged valley]

Okay yeah thats way worse

[charred pewter]

😄

it also went to my CPU heatsink (which was a megahalems prolimatech at the time) since that thing was so heavy it was dragging sideways on the cpu slot

this was all before I switched cases to a "flat" board layout, and things SIT on the motherboard now, not HANG

[dire igloo]

meanwhile my TV (LG C9) the remote is the centerpiece of using the TV - that said, I use it for Smart TV mostly and not as a gaming display

[night girder]

fr = for real

[charred pewter]

fr = france!

[dire igloo]

fr is a misinterpretation of "für" (German word for for) if umlauts aren't processed

[dusk rivet]

i hate n>1 entendres

[river mountain]

i remember seeing a particularly crass comic described as "master of the single entendre" a few years back

[dusk rivet]

now i have to see this

[sharp oasis]

My psu fan seems to not turn on via thermals. Odd?

I now have to manually flip the eco switch off ever so often to cool the psu

[jagged snow]

Why not just leave it off?

Also how do you know it's getting hot enough that the fan should be on?

[fluid haven]

ZBUPRE

[jagged snow]

H&R block now has a tax consultant chatbot

I can't wait to see how that will backfire

[charred pewter]

oof

[dusk rivet]

dual monitor arm arrives tmr, gonna free up so much desk space

and will help with lots of cable routing

[jagged snow]

Why, Microsoft, why

Another addition to that January 11 Dev Channel build is a change in how the Copilot generative AI assistant works. Normally, Copilot is launched by the user manually, either by clicking the icon on the taskbar, hitting the Win+C key combo, or (in some new PCs) by using the dedicated Copilot button on the keyboard. In recent Dev Channel builds, the Copilot window will open automatically on certain PCs as soon as you log into Windows, becoming part of your default desktop unless you turn it off in Settings.

[twin dew]

Because someone in the MS leadership has gone "AI" crazy?

[night girder]

They have plans to add subscriptions to copilot.

[twin dew]

So need to get people hooked to it first.

[twin dew]

@hardy compass Your HTTPS server is using wrong certificate for base greeny.dev domain.
#off-topic-general message
#off-topic-media message

[twin dew]

Wrong place, this is off-topic. But you have too old Satisfactory Mod Manager or manually installed Satisfactory Mod Loader.

And just installing SMM doesn't fix it, need to open and disable it first. Or manually delete the Mods directory.

[low scaffold]

Official Modding Discord

Learn all about modding and join the community here!
<3 @twin dew

[hardy compass]

No, there's just not anything on base greeny.dev domain

[twin dew]

It exists on some form in the config and is uses the sushi site certificate on answers.

But ok, it isn't supposed to exist and Letterdief just headed in that because of your Discord profile.

[night girder]

😂

You tricked me!

I though it was your developer website, with all your projects or something 😊

[hardy compass]

It doesn't, web server just redirects to default site instead of showing 404

I'm lazy to configure it lol

[twin dew]

It doesn't get to the redirect part because of the certificate.
Having generic entry without wildcard cert doesn't work.

[hardy compass]

The only "config" is DNS record

There's no virtualhost for greeny dev

[twin dew]

If it was just DNS record, the HTTPS server wouldn't answer.

As it saw request come in with right IP but wrong domain name.

[hardy compass]

Webserver's default configuration is "if no virtualhost match, use the first one" for some reason

[twin dew]

Yes, that kind of www-server wildcards are often the default.

[night girder]

Oh, so there is supose to be something on greeny.dev? Or a redirect?

[hardy compass]

No there should be a 404

[twin dew]

Not even that.

[hardy compass]

I'm just lazy to deal with it

Why not 404?

[twin dew]

I mean if the wildcard detection for the first entry wasn't on, it wouldn't get even 404 reply, the server would just ignore the connection.

[hardy compass]

I didn't expext people to randomly enter that url lol

[twin dew]

And to get 404 you would need right certificate at minimum.

[hardy compass]

Cerrificate is not an issue

At least you'd have secure 404

xD

[night girder]

haha 😂 did a lot of QA, it's in my blood

[twin dew]

Meant that without right cert for the domain, the browser will never display 404, just cert error like currently.

[hardy compass]

Not browser 404

A proper 404

[twin dew]

And if that https-server wildcard detection was off, you would just time out when you tried to connect to the url, as the server wouldn't answer.

[hardy compass]

"Sorry I'm too lazy to put content here. 404 not found"

[night girder]

Do it! 😂

Or a picture of a cat.

[hardy compass]

I'm too lazy for that

[night girder]

can't AI do it for you?

[hardy compass]

AI 🤢

I'm not letting AI anywhere near my server configuration
as for the small html, I'm perfectly capable of writing that myself, thanks

[night girder]

but that brings us back to, you being lazy to do that 😂

Weren't lazy developers suppose to use all the tools available 🤔

[hardy compass]

the laziness isn't about "not wanting to write code"
it's about "not wanting to deal with it at all"

so even using AI is still "dealing with it"

[night girder]

I like dealing with code... that works.

[hardy compass]

any code works

[night girder]

not true at all.

[hardy compass]

it works as you wrote it
whether or not that is how you intended it to function is another story

[night girder]

oh like that

well, if you know what you are doing, it should work yes. Mostly is reading documentation.

[twin dew]

I need to get another ZyXEL GS1200-8 at some point...

-5 would probably be enough too, leaving 3 free connectors for stuff at that point, like TV, media computer etc.

WWW-managed 1Gb/s Ethernet switches.

5 and 8 port variants.

[night girder]

I am pretty happy with my netgear S350

[twin dew]

Point was I already have two GS1200:s and two XGS1250 from ZyXEL.

So going with some other product would be needless complication.
Especially when the GS1200:s are the cheapest I can get for managed switch.

Price for NetGear GS308T is double what GS1200-8 costs here.

The GS1200 are pretty basic, but as I only need VLANs from the management side, they work fine for me.

Was about to say about the large buffer size causing extra latency if there was congestion on the trunk port, but just did the math and it would only be 4 ms max.
When on the GS1200-8 with 192kB buffer it would be 1.5ms max.

With 1Gb/s congested port. So 15 ms with 100Mbit/s and 150ms with 10Mbit/s port.

[neon walrus]

apparently, satisfactory now supports NVIDIA DLSS

[twin dew]

Upscaling: Yes, since 0.8.1.0 IIRC.
Frame generation: Not currently.

TSR, DLSS, FSR and XeSS are all supported.

[charred pewter]

we are gonna jump on the "AI" bandwagon craze .... our "suggestions" is "AI DRIVEN!"

(not really, but that doesnt matter... anything that just does a choice is labeled AI now)

my fridge has AI cause it tells me when my filter needs changing

my 1984 car has AI because it warns me when I should upshift to conserve fuel ...

my cat has AI because she is OP

[visual tree]

Even Ubiquiti has started labelling their products "AI"....

Just because it counts people in the room doesn't mean it's AI

[twin dew]

Mostly with surveillance cameras etc. the "AI" now means there is second lower resolution video stream being generated in addition to the full resolution stream.
Meant for quick detection stuff with "AI".

So for that camera I got, the primary stream is 2-5MP, the secondary "AI" stream is 256x256-512x512 pixels.

[charred pewter]

heh

[visual tree]

You mean something like mainstream and substream on my Dahua cameras?

[twin dew]

Same thing.

AFAIK the substream stuff didn't exist before, and was added for image processing with less HW required, as the pixel count is so much lower over time.

[visual tree]

Guess I can call my 5 year old cameras "AI" now 🤣

[twin dew]

But I might be making assumptions that aren't based on reality.

[visual tree]

I think substream on Dahua is mainly used for remote viewing but there could be some other uses

[twin dew]

And the label is just differentiated based if the camera itself does "AI" stuff like person detection...

[visual tree]

I should create a python script that converts pdf documents to png and call it "AI-driven conversion"

Investors will go crazy and start throwing money at me

Got a silly name already: "AI-PDF2PNG Precision Engine"

[twin dew]

Anyways, just finished installing the trunk ethernet cable from the server "cabinet" to the designated TV & media center location.
And just connected it to the POE injector for the camera for now.

Need to get 43" TV and sofa at some point.

[hardy forge]

question:
Soo i have a ethernet cable np, cat6 np, but its curled up and stuck like that, is there anwyay to like uncurl it?
like how metal expannds and shrinks with heat or cold, can i do that with my cable

[twin dew]

Usually you just force them straight with your hands? And nothing else?

[hardy forge]

tried that but still curly

[charred pewter]

ive had it with this bluetooth soundbar for my music playing

gonna get a usb-c to rca cable and go back to my WIRED speakers

[night girder]

I hope you don't mean this 😂

[edgy hazel]

I love this

[twin dew]

Need to turn it in the opposite direction to the current curl in segments.

[edgy hazel]

I need several

[twin dew]

How much depends on the cable.

[hardy forge]

no

why would i wanna uncurle that thats compact better but no

1 cable spagett

its 10m

[twin dew]

Never straightened after the package it came in.
Take half a turn, force it over the other way to about 45 degrees.
See what happens.

[night girder]

Just making sure nothing is getting lost in translation

[hardy forge]

im dumb lol

those kinda of cables that are like that, the one you posted, those are good for cable management

[sterile plinth]

umm wtf I just opened up a youtube video

and this is the quality??

i set it to 720p

it just looks awfully pixelated

in chromium it works fine....

like this shit is unwatchable

on anything up to 1080p it looks super pixelated like that, when i go to 1440p its perfectly clean

[nimble cargo]

Braided cable. 2m was too long for my use.

[charred pewter]

heh! nice

[nimble cargo]

CAT loves to recurl. I've always had to braid it or give it some sort of support to keep them tidy.

[night girder]

Yeah, they have a tendency to do that

[twin dew]

Feels so wrong to have 100Mbit/s ethernet max device connected to 10Gbit/s capable port on the switch...

[charred pewter]

naw.... just means you can have 100 devices connected !!!

i kid

same feel plugging a 1080p monitor into a 4090

[twin dew]

It is meant for another switch between those two later.
And hopefully NBase-T switch at some point and not just 1Gbit/s one like currently planned.
And that still leaves two 10G ports on the switch in question, one which will be used with 10G device once I can be arsed to start installing OS & stuff.

And I could move the connector to 1G port, but would need to redo some cable management for that.
So as there isn't need for that 10G port for anything, not going to do it.

[edgy hazel]

Bruh I'm not used to this

[jagged snow]

Least hepful error I've seen in a bit

You do not have any debugging symbols required to display the callstack for this crash.

[winged valley]

"You need to install CS Source" vibes

[mental oriole]

Still love the windows 8 installer failure, "Something happened".

[rustic panther]

wouldn't want to show the scary programmer stuff to end-users

[edgy hazel]

Literally the reason I switched away from windows. The constant inability to just give me a fucking error message

You only get shit like this:

Process Failed (0x800384957)

Then you google that code and the only solution is rebooting and doing a SFC

[twin dew]

Weird that MS had all those error codes, and never releases any documentation about what they actually signify.

[night girder]

/learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/debug/system-error-code-lookup-tool

[twin dew]

That is for BSOD error codes, and yes, those are public in that header file.

Some others too, no Windows Update errors etc.

[night girder]

says it also works for hexadecimal status code (or other code).

[sharp oasis]

Shitty lighting. But finished moving my build to a new case

[wanton orchid]

but bad for signal

also remember to never twist the cable

make it free, then push it in the opposite way keeping it straight

do not twist, or you'll fatigue copper in it

and it will curl by itself even worse after that
if straight it will just slowly uncurl

then you can just strap it in place, and after few days it will keep the shape

[edgy hazel]

:^)

[jagged snow]

I read that as a mispelling of glasses

[charred pewter]

CRICK CRACK CLICK CLACK

IM TYPING NOW, JUST MAKING SURE EVERYONE IN THE BUILDING KNOWS!

[tough owl]

I like membrane keyboards 🙂

[jagged snow]

They do have their advantages

I find them to be a lot more comfortable to type on for extended durations

[tough owl]

its why I type on my macbook for long essays and don't use a normal computer keyboard

too much wrist strain

[jagged snow]

Laptop keyboards don't usually have enough travel

[tough owl]

they have enough for me, the more travel on a keyboard the more I have to press and the more effort it is to write for a long period of time

[edgy hazel]

no that'd be green

[charred pewter]

yeah this.... i like the quick 'pop' of a membrane laptop keyboard.

[river mountain]

i grew up on this keyboard so i'm used to having to press hard on the keys 😛

[tough owl]

thing that makes me the most mad about people I see in class is people not using their whole screen for the browser, I see so many people have their browser window 80-90% of the full screen

[jagged snow]

Yeah that drives me nuts

Especially since you can maximize with a two-key combo

[charred pewter]

i have multiple browser profiles open at a time, and i absolutely cannot function in 'fullscreen apps'. its like, no, my machine is not a fucking kiosk, its a COMPUTER

[jagged snow]

That's what multiple displays are for

One or maybe two applications taking up the entirety of the primary display and something else on the secondary

[tough owl]

Alt tab 😍

[jagged snow]

Only gets you so far

You really expect me to alt-tab into stackexchange for every other line of code I write?

[languid gulch]

i love how thick those monitors are

& the bezels

[jagged snow]

They're great

I need to rewatch the trilogy

[languid gulch]

from back when flat panels were uber-techy & futuristic

[sharp oasis]

@jagged snow got a new case. And gpu

[jagged snow]

Sweet 👍

[sharp oasis]

7800XT. Wow I did not realise the pref boost

[languid gulch]

yea, it's good to see that getting a near-top end AMD GPU means being near the top in general

RX480 days are gone i hope

[gilded helm]

The rumor is they're coming back in some fashion. And honestly I tend to believe it, it's hard to keep an entire design team quiet.

[languid gulch]

it would be fun to see AMD truly on top

[jagged snow]

I'm hoping they can pull something similar to what they did with the x3d chips on the gpu side as well

[gilded helm]

Better raster per dollar hasn't worked out as a feature for AMD, so they need some other schtick to get people to come over. Something they can do that Nvidia can't do as well or at all.

[jagged snow]

It's what pushed me to amd for rdna2

But for most people, they only see the marketing gimmicks as far as I can tell

[stray badger]

Their schtick should be: "you can afford it"

[jagged snow]

800 dollar motherboards say that that's not what people want

[languid gulch]

"this won't blow a circuit!"

[jagged snow]

PCs have become something people spend money on for the status symbol rather than the performance they're getting

[charred pewter]

heh yeah, i am not efficient with alt-tab-roulette ... im quick just clicking between edges of windows across multiple apps at once

but what works for you, works, everyone is different

[languid gulch]

powertoys is great

[tough owl]

shame its not built in

[charred pewter]

i want a motherboard that has AI to tell me when it thinks its getting too hot =p

[tough owl]

💀

[languid gulch]

with an uwu voice, right

[charred pewter]

i want windows to add Bagley from Watch_Dogs legion .... to berate and mock people using it 😉

[gilded helm]

Nvidia has been burned by the price sensitivity of customers this generation, and maybe they'll learn from it. But they've also seen the lack of price sensitivity at the top, so it won't surprise me if we see the 5090 at $2000, and a Titan at an even higher price.

[tough owl]

I cant wait

[charred pewter]

maybe next time i'll grab a titan version for the lulz

[languid gulch]

i'm convinced nvidia is doing most of this in order to piss off their AIB partners to give them the excuse to go full vertical integration

[gilded helm]

Technically a 96GB workstation card will be possible with a 384 bit bus and 4GB memory chips, when those are available. As a bystander, I can't wait to giggle at the price.

Proving once again, that the moment memory isn't socketable, you'll get screwed on price.

[tough owl]

anyone here an operagx fan?

[jagged snow]

Nope

[tough owl]

https://github.com/Godiesc/firefox-gx if you wanna make firefox cursed here you go

[silk hemlock]

@remote zenith we can keep going in here

huh so it's only input

that's super weird. Does it happen with other 3d games?

[remote zenith]

not to the same degree

[silk hemlock]

but it does happen?

How old is your comp? laptop or PC? how long since you installed windows?

[remote zenith]

it’s happened like once in minecraft but that was also on a sketchy international P2P connection

[remote zenith]

brand new laptop

like less than a month old

[silk hemlock]

Brand? where did you get it from?

[remote zenith]

MSI Cyborg 15 A12V

from costco iirc

[silk hemlock]

can you do a search on your computer system for 'nahimic' ?

[remote zenith]

yeah it’s on there

[silk hemlock]

Hmm so I did find a thing

[remote zenith]

iirc i tried removing it when i set up my laptop but it’s like stupidly hard to remove

[silk hemlock]

seems like it's a common issue with your specific model

yeah it seems like it's a pain in the ass. I'd try whats in the image first and see if that makes a difference

honestly my general advice to people who buy a laptop from most places is to do a full format using a usb boot drive and do a clean install

companies that sell laptops are pretty notorious for installing a crap ton of bloatware

oh god - does it have Norton as well? kill that asap

[remote zenith]

yeah i was gonna do that except it voids the warranty

[silk hemlock]

... what?

[remote zenith]

probably but iirc i uninstalled everything but it’s deeply rooted popup

[silk hemlock]

who said it voided warranty btw? when you bought it?

[remote zenith]

it has a warranty from the manufacturer that’s voided if you reimage the laptop

according to the warranty information paper in the box

[silk hemlock]

WOW

that's absolute bullshit

[remote zenith]

yeah

[silk hemlock]

OK so I guess your current options are

1. try what's in the image
2. go in and uninstall all norton and norton related things using Remove Programs - then manually hunting for norton folders and killing those

do you live in the US?

[remote zenith]

i do not

[silk hemlock]

oooh may I ask what country?

[remote zenith]

canada

[silk hemlock]

ok consumer protection there is a bit better than the US

You can probably snoop around but the legality of reimaging nullifying your laptop sounds extremely illegal

One of the things about companies claiming they have certain warranties? often not what they are legally forced to do

Its something you'd need to look up. Did it say if it would void the WHOLE thing or just the hard drive?

For example I moved to Australia - and most white good stuff in shops say " 2-3 years warranty yay! spend 200$ to get two more years!"

But Australian consumer laws essentially say 'if you spend hundreds of $ on something like a fridge and it dies in 5 years? yeah company needs to replace that'

[remote zenith]

not sure, hardware damage is covered by a different warranty form costco tho

[silk hemlock]

Hmmm look do the first 2 things before worrying about reimaging. If doing that and absolutely murdering norton doesn't stop it there might be other steps

killing norton seems to have helped other people with your issue

[remote zenith]

i can’t find how to enable the cooler boost thing

[silk hemlock]

does typing power profile into the computer search bar turn up anything?

might be 'power plan'

[remote zenith]

ic

[remote zenith]

yeah it brought up the power settings

[stray badger]

reformat it however the hell you want. msi cant do anything

[silk hemlock]

for the next step with 'Elevated CMD' just google that, it'll have instructions on how to proceed

[stray badger]

to change fans profile, you probably need to use hotkeys

[remote zenith]

i remembered what other unreal engine game had issues, it was palworld

[silk hemlock]

with some googling it does seem to be an issue with your specific model though. Tons of bitching online about this specific problem

[silk hemlock]

I won't ask what province you're in but the Manitoba gov web page on consumer rights at least has

"Implied Warranties On retail sales, you get an “implied warranty” with every product you buy. So, by law, you have the right to expect products to be fit for their intended purpose and to be free of defects, except as described.
This implied warranty also covers every retail sale of services. "

If your province has something similar that would basically kick that stupid voiding to the curb and I'd say use a boot disk to format the drive and reinstall drivers fresh and clean

managing an operating system and formating a drive is a basic function of computer use and maintenance

I'm so furious at msi rn

[remote zenith]

ah good to know

[silk hemlock]

Companies do this all the time sadly because they don't expect people to look things up and that people will assume that whatever is in the warranty is up to consumer rights

TBF though if you were in the US there's a good chance they could get away with it

gonna go do house stuff - let me know if those steps from reddit solve things

[twin dew]

Not giving software side support without the official OS image is pretty common.
Shouldn't affect HW warranty, but makes proving it is HW problem more difficult if you don't first reinstall the original OS from recovery image.

Because many companies will try to blame your OS first.

[silk hemlock]

I'm sure a lot of companies do - I've had some pointed arguments with a number of them ending with telling them I was putting in a complaint to the ombudsman if they didn't cave

[twin dew]

I did say "more difficult", not impossible.

[wide void]

stupid question, do all PC's these days have wake on LAN? (its about 8 years old I guess by now)

[twin dew]

Not seen any that wouldn't support it in some form for the integrated LAN.
And most do for extra network cards too if the card supports.

[wide void]

going to be living abroad for a while, I have remote access, but will be shafted if it stops, lol

[twin dew]

But WoL only works from local network.

[wide void]

oh..

do I have options? Its a home server

[twin dew]

Many routers have a way to send WoL requests from their management interface.
And allow for enabling that from Internet.
But that is again a security hazard.
But you could set the router to have VPN server enabled in it, connect to that, then to the management and use that for the WoL.

Or just set the actual server to always turn on when it has power?

Sorry, when it gets power again.
The WoL would allow you to start it again if you shut it down by mistake.
But wouldn't help if the computer is on but OS failed or like.

[wide void]

I'm fucked if the OS fails anyway

I'm only away for 9 to 12 months, if it goes pop in that time, too bad, lol

there is probably a bios option for power on when powered up, I'll investiage later

or a jumper, whichever it is, lol

[twin dew]

Yes.
There is option what to do when the MB gets standby power.
Always Off, Last state, Always On.

[wide void]

fab

[twin dew]

For Asus: Advanced mode, Advanced tab, APM Configuration, Restore AC Power Loss: Power On

[wide void]

can't even remember what board its running, I built it a while ago!

[twin dew]

Just as idea where to look.

Same place has the "Power On By PCI-E" option that would need to be "Enabled" for WoL to work.

For Asus that also has option to turn the computer on at specific time.
Not sure if that is repeating or not.

[wide void]

Asrock H61M DGS

[twin dew]

Advanced, South Bridge Configuration, Restore on AC/Power Loss

Advanced, ACPI Configuration for other power on enable options.

[wide void]

great stuff, ty!

I'll have a look when I get back later

[twin dew]

But setting that first one to turn the computer back on after any power loss will cause it to boot back on after blackouts etc.

[wide void]

yeah, the UPS does around 30 minutes with the router/switch and server running (at idle/low load), so it should be mostly fine anyway

I've not had a longer power cut than that in the time I can remember

[languid gulch]

dumb question time: is it possible to make a HDD spin all the time, & does that reduce response time

[twin dew]

Yes, for when it returns from the power saving mode.
But not when active.

First would be to go into Windows Power settings and change this to 0, if you don't want the HDD to power down.

But there can also be timers in the drive itself that makes it sleep to various degrees.
Some WD Green drives had so aggressive head parking by default that they broke themselves in few years from that.

[languid gulch]

yeesh

[twin dew]

They would park the heads after less than 1 minute of downtime, and there is limited number of times that can be done before the mechanism breaks.
Might have been 20 second inactivity or so?

[languid gulch]

does that setting apply to external/usb drives too?

[twin dew]

There is another under that USB Settings that handles USB powerdowns.
And another in Device Manager for specific device.

But for example current Seagate Barracuda 3.5" drives are rated for 600k or 300k load/unload cycles (head being parked and unparked).

Might need to select the device first, then turn the Device Manager to Devices by Connection mode from View tab, and then check the previous entries in the device tree.
As the specific entry might not have that toggle, if you don't want to disable the USB Selective Suspend completely.

[languid gulch]

now the real question

is it worth bothering

[edgy hazel]

I shouldn't be required to sign nondisclosure agreements I want to share the cool stuff startups are are working on :3

[tough owl]

https://youtu.be/eUCm4wKarpQ?si=_UO4t6yKtaPq-IQ5

It’s here

[visual tree]

Lmao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckIMuvumYrg

Wish this worked for my modem though. When my internet isn't working (which rarely happens), it is much more complex than just turning the modem off and on again....

For example: corroded wires on the telephone pole (because the pole cabinet was not properly sealed and there was a water leak)

[night girder]

get starlink.

[visual tree]

Getting fiber soon so I'll skip starlink for now

[night girder]

Starlinks Community Gateway will only cost 75.000 dollar a month. And an investment of 1,25 million dollar is also required.

[twin dew]

Well, that is for town level connectivity, not personal...

[night girder]

Says who Elon doesn't care.

and I assumed the word "community" made that clear ... as in Starlinks Community Gateway.

[visual tree]

My coworker mentioned some tech idiot who got drunk and crashed ISP vehicle into a fiber distribution cabinet on the street. He got fired and had to pay for all the damage he has caused lol

[night girder]

still, if you rich AF and want to support starlink. I've seen rich people with mini nuclear reactors to power all the sh*t they have.

Oof 😒

Well, their own fault for driving drunk.

[visual tree]

Not to mention it takes a very long time to splice 1000 optic fibers in a street cabinet

Bet the whole neighbourhood was without the internet for at least 2 weeks minimum

Just don't tell anyone to type Google into Google https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2FMqtC1x9Y

[night girder]

fiber is a far away dream for me

[visual tree]

If you live in a city or urban area, there is still hope

Can't say the same for a small village or a remote place

[charred pewter]

if json becomes hard, ur doin it rong

[edgy hazel]

Its not the json being the problem

[mental oriole]

It's jason

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-christ-thats-jason-bourne-shocked-surprised-shookt-gif-16976111

[charred pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/jason-gif-25579756

[mental oriole]

I couldnt resist 🤣

[visual tree]

Frigidman, I have already been traumatized today by some guy in a train carrying a chainsaw and this gif image only makes it worse 🤣

[charred pewter]

TRIGGER challenge complete +10 xp

[visual tree]

It had a protective cover though but still, everyone in the train freaked out lol

[night girder]

public transportation They were just trying to do their job you know.

some people freak out if they see a leatherman on a belt

[visual tree]

Imagine if the chainsaw pull cord got stuck on the train doors and the guy accidentally started the engine

That would be a complete chaos lol

[night girder]

normally, that shouldn't be possible 😄 since a lot of them have a death switch. Not sure if that's the correct term.

if they were smart, they didn't put gas in it to reduce weight too 😛

[edgy hazel]

was he stopped by a good guy with a chainsaw?

[visual tree]

No, he stopped himself

[tough owl]

herg guess what

[edgy hazel]

chicken butt

[tough owl]

no, not chicken butt

[charred pewter]

@^$%^@# bluetooth speakers !!!!@

[night girder]

JBL?

[pure karma]

screw bluetooth everything

anything blutooth is just asking for no reliability

[tough owl]

I had to use bluetooth file transfer to transfer a driver to my windows computer

IT SUCKED

[night girder]

myeah its hit and miss for me

sometimes it works really well and other times it's wonky

[tough owl]

on my macbook its supurb

my desktop tower its awful

[night girder]

my JBL and iPhone just randomly disconnecty and then the JBl shuts down.

doesn't happen often though

[tough owl]

how old is the JBL

[night girder]

5-7 years

[tough owl]

might be why

but also bt is backwards compatible

[charred pewter]

its some "ABOX" soundbar ... it stays connected, but it randomly gets into a mood its gonna stutter like a mofo

i have to turn it off, then back on, but of course doing that causes my ipod to stop playing music, so i have to grab it and get it woken to the screen so i can hit play to resume

[winged valley]

@tough owl Maybe like 2 people in the world use BT for file transfer on a regular basis

Microsoft implemented it just well enough to work, where apple implemented it much better because they have an entire ecosystem of products they want talking to each other and syncing to each other

[hexed cobalt]

earbuds?

[jagged snow]

I'm not a fan most of the time

There is some convenience to be had, but a lot of the time it's not optimal

[gilded helm]

Bluetooth is long past its prime. It still works with limitations, but it's legacy tech and I really wish we would move past it for a lot of devices.

I don't know how people tolerate Bluetooth audio when gaming. The latency makes cutscenes with dialogue look very awkward, and if you have any timed audio cues, you're at an immediate disadvantage.

[stuck nebula]

that kind of depends on the bluetooth type dosnt it? im quite happy both with my samsung phone and samsung earbuds, the range is good, the quality is good, the battery is good

the problem is with my laptops though, for some reason their bluetooth range sucks ass, i sit infront of my pc with BT headsets connected and i have this weird audiocuts randomly

meanwhile with my desktop bluetooth, i can go 1 floor down and they are still connected

same with the phone

[stray badger]

there are different bt versions

[stuck nebula]

yup, i think the buds that i use are 5.3

[languid gulch]

bluetooth has sucked since day 1, & idk why some other non-garbage standard hasn't taken over

i find it super annoying that my headphones can't be connected to both my pc & my phone at the same time, & also half my games seem to think my headphones have a mic, & so grab onto them for voice chat but all it does is mute every sound on my pc

[stuck nebula]

uhmm that actually is possible

with some headphones ofcourse

my edifier headsets can connect both to pc and phone at the same time

[languid gulch]

yea i suspect that's one of those "we charge an extra $80 for the privilege" things

[stuck nebula]

and automatically swithces between them when there is call comming

they were 40 euros back then

i still use them after 3 years

it's all about correct implementation imho

you can see that with improvements of chipsets, BT also improved

and this is a cheap headset that i own for it's quality tbh

pretty fair in pricing

[languid gulch]

yea mine doesn't have that

& it's probably just a software change that'd enable it

[stuck nebula]

it seems that it's added back in 4.1 era

[languid gulch]

so mine are a full gen of denial 🤣 thanks sony

[stuck nebula]

when did you buy these?

[languid gulch]

last yearish

[stuck nebula]

model name if you dont mind?

[languid gulch]

WF-C500

really nothing special

just find it funny that with all the driver detection stuff that exists, games like to somehow grab onto speakers as a mic

[stuck nebula]

that's a bluetooth 5.0 version headset

[languid gulch]

yup

[stuck nebula]

i guess it's due to it's chipset?

hm...

[languid gulch]

also one of sony's cheapest

[stuck nebula]

oh wait

are those earbuds?

[languid gulch]

yea

[stuck nebula]

earbuds lack that feature even in my buds 2 pro

not just specifically multiple connection to pc

[languid gulch]

might be physically too small for the chip

[stuck nebula]

yeah

i was bamboozled for a second

[languid gulch]

my previous earbuds were the ones with a wire connecting them, & they couldn't run while being recharged, which was really sad

[jagged snow]

I find it really unfortunate that bluetooth really shines in over-ear headphones, right where it's needed the least

[gilded helm]

I'm using the USB-C dongle with my Maxwells right now in what should be an ideal use case for sticking with just Bluetooth, but I can't stand the audio being out of sync with lips.

[jagged snow]

Woah, that's crazy

[stuck nebula]

well that's not that surprising tbh

the surprising part is how the hell they made a game that is that refined with 5 people

they didin't know what github is

until recently

[rotund hamlet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi5sd3WEh0c

[nimble cargo]

I've been playing Palworld with my youngest. It's surprisingly fun. A lot like ARK, which we also enjoyed, so. 🙂

[tough owl]

a fellow mattkc fan

[dire igloo]

It's the concept of Ark with Pokémon instead of dinosaurs plus a Zelda-style soundtrack.

Definitely a great combo - tho the devs said they received death threats from Nintendo fans for ripping off Pokémon.

[rotund hamlet]

no, got linked it by someone else

[stuck nebula]

yeah this is craaazy

im quite happy for a game with no micro transactions, no ingame shop, no bullsiht to be this successful

[hexed cobalt]

i agree that I would rather use a headset with a wire but if you go for example for a walk or when u ride a bike I still prefer Bluetooth and if you buy stuff that is max 10 euro's worth then ofc it's shit

[night girder]

Those fans never heard of digimon? 🤦‍♂️

[dire igloo]

Bluetooth on Windows pretty much sucks ass compared to mobile, totally different experience.

That said, proper non-BT wireless works well on PC. Thing is, you only see that with headsets (not headphones) and it requires a separate dongle

[wide void]

yeah, I have some Razor headphones that are wireless with dongle, the delay is lower than my BT buds

[wide void]

anyone have any thoughts on steamdecks or their equivalents?

I have a 'little Holiday' coming up and will miss my gaming...

[dire igloo]

Not really useful for AAA titles (unless you turn down visuals), but if you play any games that you think would work well on a switch, that's steamdeck territory

[wide void]

at the moment its all about Baulders Gate

honestly I don't think it would be too bad

worst case I can drop back to Neverwinter or something, lol

I have a lot of games from over the years that should be fine

[spice linden]

Pretty sure bg wont work since it uses mouse and keyboard right? And thats a little annoying with a steam deck especially on holiday.

I play quite a lot of games on the steam deck all with controller support and as long as you dont mind playing on low/medium settings and getting between 40-60 fps then its a great machine. I took mine on holiday with a dock and a small tv and I played many a game in the evenings.

Most AAA games I have tried work fine unlike people say. As long as its not a multiplayer title that requires some sort of anti-cheat because most of the anti-cheats flag linux machines as cheaters.

I play games like fallout 76 on the deck perfectly fine around 40fps. Do some more research before you delve in but I recommend it.

[mental oriole]

Bg3 has controller support.

[spice linden]

Best thing you can do is find a list of the games you wish to play then check protondb to see player reports on how well it runs and if you need to make any tweaks.

protondb.com/app/1086940?device=steamDeck

Thats the BG3 post

[wide void]

my biggest issue is I've not had or used a controller/console since ~1997

lol

[spice linden]

Then if you dont like controlls the deck aint for you.

Might as well use a pc

[wide void]

I'm sure it will be fine, and its better than the alternative

[wide void]

I won't have a PC

[spice linden]

You can hook up a kbm through usb or bluetooth but its kinda a hassle if you are travelling

[wide void]

I'm going to be in a caravan, simple hand held is the ideal

I'm not expecting to play Satisfactory, unless I start a new save I guess

[edgy hazel]

You'll pick it up quick enough. Start with a slow first person singleplayer and work yourself up.

If you plan on playing only topdown or 2D games and such don't bother. You'll know how to use a controller in those games in 5 minutes

[wanton orchid]

but mastering will take more time but it's expected/not-a-problem

[edgy hazel]

What I find the funniest about this order, is me paying a lot of money for cherry to ship these switches to the UK and back to me (4 hours away from cherrys factory)

[spice linden]

Why would you do that?

[edgy hazel]

purble

[night girder]

New AMD driver out with Fluid Motion Frames support.

[dire igloo]

It works great with bullet hell games, stuff like brotato or vampire survivors

[night girder]

Recommendations: use full screen, no FSR, no VSYNC. Enable anti lag+

[dire igloo]

Can't you just call the factory?

"Ayo guys, I want these, can you ship 'em to me?"

[night girder]

I wonder how AMFM actually works, frames dont just appear out of thin air.

[edgy hazel]

Nah I want the bags

[dire igloo]

Didn't anti lag trigger multiple anti cheat systems?

[twin dew]

Yes, because it worked in insane way and modified at runtime the code of the games.

[dire igloo]

Did it at least also work insanely good?

[night girder]

Well thats what AMD recommends

[night girder]

If you want to use AMFM that is

“AFMF may introduce additional latency to games and may not offer the optimal experience for fast-paced competitive titles. AFMF is recommended to be combined with AMD Radeon™ Anti-Lag to reduce in-game latency while maintaining a minimum in-game fps of 60”

Doesn’t feel like AMD is confident in it (yet)

“Due to the potential latency impact of AFMF, it must be manually enabled in the per-game settings for certain fast-paced competitive titles, even if AFMF was already enabled globally. Gamers are free to enable AFMF in these titles based on their preference and gameplay style, however, they may not experience optimal performance – specifically at lower frame rates.”

[twin dew]

Because it adds minimum of half a frame of lag.

[dire igloo]

Nah, they're covering their asses

[night girder]

Generates more frames and more latency. Nice feature

[night girder]

Because its outside the game engine

[twin dew]

Because it uses two frames, so it starts to generate the extra for insertion between two real frames only after the later real one has been done.

And then displays that, and displays the real frame half a real frame generation time after the fake one.

So you get extra lag equal to the fake frame generation time, and half the time between real frames.

[night girder]

Yes

[twin dew]

And if you do it that way, it doesn't matter if the framegen is inside the game or external.

It gives better fake frame quality, but adds extra latency.
And by some sources DLSS frame gen is similar.
And only Intel coming solution doesn't use the next frame too.

[night girder]

Wonder if it’s really that useful of a featurz

[twin dew]

IMHO no, but the hype train left and AMD had to release something.

It makes the numbers go up, so marketers wanted it and lot of people have fallen for it and think it is a must-have.

[dire igloo]

And people also use it as a reason to argue that Nvidia is superior to AMD for gaming

[twin dew]

Which is why AMD had to do FSR and FMF.

[dire igloo]

The concept of FSR/DLSS/XeSS is actually good.
Framegen and FMF are weird to me

[twin dew]

Been thing with TVs since 90s.

[dire igloo]

Tho I guess if you play a lot of story games, trading a bit of latency for extra fps could be worth it

[dire igloo]

Hasn't been a thing on gaming from what I can tell

[twin dew]

No, because of the extra latency to do good job with it using the classic algorithms.
And even then it isn't good.

Using 3+ frames to do it.

[night girder]

I am pretty happy with FSR so far.

[night girder]

hell, in some instances FSR looks better graphically than non.

[edgy hazel]

After one hour of our first project meeting I can proudly say that we have finally picked a template for our project documentation

[dire igloo]

Sounds like you work in public administration - or in a government funded project

[tough owl]

😔 he’s a good creator

[sand saddle]

Palworld doesn't have FSR so my friend can't play it until it gets some support.
1650Ti laptop and 4k screen...

He promised me he wouldn't start gaming on that laptop...

Now he's looking at other laptops with actually capable GPUs

[charred pewter]

so palworld actually ISNT pokemon ... its just some ... other cutsie thing?

[sand saddle]

It's ARK mechanics with pokemon visuals or smth like that

[charred pewter]

then maybe it aint all that bad =p ... cause i dislike pokemon and everything it stands for 😉

including nintendo 😉

[sand saddle]

I actually don't know, but nintendo is pissed

[charred pewter]

but thats just me ... and im like a vocal minority

yeah, i heard ... which is funny

[sand saddle]

Today I went over to firefox from google chrome

[charred pewter]

👏

[sand saddle]

I actually forgot what triggered it

[charred pewter]

the new shitty UI changes in chrome?

[sand saddle]

I really don't know

Ig now I have more privacy, though I don't care too much for it. Just making it harder for lazy trackers.

[dire igloo]

It's a ripoff of Pokemon mechanics - the abilities, the catching, part of the art style, elemental creatures, stuff like that.

In regards to Pokemon, it's a well made knockoff

Tho the actual core gameplay is closer to Ark than Pokemon

[sand saddle]

Ark+pokemon, looks like a lot of people were interested in that

[dire igloo]

Also allows you to do unethical shit to humans
https://youtube.com/shorts/kL083ca0U68

[sand saddle]

lol

[charred pewter]

😄

so a game that dares to break out of 'what should be right and wrong' suddenly does well? ... surprise!

news flash: things for entertainment are supposed to be ESCAPISM from the real world!

if i wanna go butcher humans, and put them in sweat shops making canned baby meat, then sell on the black market ... YAY! ...* its a game*

I'm sorry, but i dont have much or any morals when im inside a game 😄 lol

i still wont play it though ....... it seems ... uhm. yeah. too cute?

[sand saddle]

I mean one could argue that every colony/city/empire/etc management is unethical as you can cause digital pain to those few lines of code

[charred pewter]

wait, its only early access still ???

[sand saddle]

It just came out lol

[charred pewter]

wow ... most successful ea ever

i thought it was like 'launched' ... release 1.0

[spice linden]

Early access is the crutch game devs use when the game has bugs and they just blame it on ea

[charred pewter]

lots of games from all those eurojank companies never are in early access, they just release... like tekken, persona, finalfantasy

i thought this was some big production from one of them big production people... bandai, capcom, nintenda, sega ... ha.... its some indie studio! amazing

maybe i'll just buy it to support them... prolly never PLAY it lol

[spice linden]

Just wait till they have a lawsuit for using the likeness of a registered IP.

[charred pewter]

"likeness" isnt the same ... i mean "Words With Friends" exists still :D, and all those tetris clones

[sand saddle]

Nintendo has too much hold over cute animals genre

[spice linden]

Even if it has no basis they will do it for shits and giggles.

[charred pewter]

right, big game corps just shitting on indie studios for lulz is really another reason why ive grown to dislike them more and more

[sand saddle]

Ark couldn't claim shit. We got rust, valheim and a dozen other games with very similar build and survive mechanics

[charred pewter]

The Forest you can butcher and EAT humans in it 😄

[sand saddle]

Negative reviews are fairly positive as in they just say early access shows and it needs time to get good

[dire igloo]

Bro, it's not that.
It's that it's Ark with Pokémon and guns

[charred pewter]

so that combo

[dire igloo]

It's not like that's core gameplay

[charred pewter]

with the influx of cash, im sure the studio should be able to polish and finish the game well (so long as they are not stuck in a lawsuit draining them dry)

UNLESS its another one of those 'hit n run' ... where they will take all the sales and just run, never bother touching it again or updating it (lot of those on steam)

[sand saddle]

Yeah

Either we get no mans sky updates or buyers get fucked over

[charred pewter]

heh yeah 😄

[sand saddle]

They're also struggling with online servers which isn't surprising at all

The amount of people is crazy

[charred pewter]

ah .... is MMO ?

[dire igloo]

Yet Cyberpunk and Fallout 76 still happened.

Early access isn't an excuse. It's a way to get the community on board and help polish out a finished game - that said, there should be a benefit to playing an unfinished game, not just "you get to play it earlier".

Also, alphas and betas still exist. Idk how many people complained about a game being unfinished after playing an open beta

[spice linden]

this is why I dont buy into the hype games. Just wait a few months and see how it goes.

[sand saddle]

Good

[dire igloo]

Or we get a constantly milked cash cow like star citizen

[sand saddle]

Though I'm gonna need actually bad reviews or a shit ton of willpower not to buy frostpunk 2 on release

[dire igloo]

Until GTA 6 releases, it's the most expensive video game ever made - still in Alpha

And even then, the 2 billion dollar budget for GTA 6 is only a rumour

[sand saddle]

We got so many new games which lack depth

They try to rely on UE5 and random shit like that

[charred pewter]

naw... that would never happen .... SC is a one-off exception ...... 😉 😉

[night girder]

Or Diablo 4.

[languid gulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lcb1dpe2IhE

short: hot garbage, buy a 6700XT

[twin dew]

While supplies last.

[languid gulch]

or a 6800

$90 more but 42% faster

[twin dew]

But yes, the whole Radeon 7000 series has been "buy the previous gen instead, while supplies last".

[languid gulch]

reminds me of the original 3060 12gb

0 reason to have corvette tires on a civic

6800XT is looking a lot like the 1080Ti's rightful successor to me

& the 6700XT looks like the 1070 that everyone would buy if they couldn't afford the 1080Ti

[twin dew]

AMD had ideas with the RDNA3 that didn't pan out properly in the end, but they didn't know until too late to change anything.

Remember that it takes 2-4 years for the development process.

[languid gulch]

i do wonder what they could have done with a "we're making it the size of a goddamn shoe"

[dire igloo]

Except 7900xt upwards (idk about MSRP tho, current prices are good) - and 7800xt (if priced similarly to 6800xt which it often is).

7700XT has dropped enough to be worth it as an alternative to 6800

[twin dew]

Even for those the original was "Buy 6900XT or 6950XT instead".

Until those went out of stock.

But that is often the point.
To get rid of the old product first at at least breakeven price.

And only ramp up the production of the new product once the old one is out of stock.

[winged valley]

To whomever I was talking to about soldering the wacom tablet

The problem was that the other technician had a skill issue and it works fine

[dire igloo]

Didn't really go out of stock, 6950xt was viable for a long long time at $600 - and iirc still is.
But the 7900xt and XTX dropped enough in price to be worth the upgrade

Dang, $800 now for 6950xt

[twin dew]

Just last dregs being sold for too high prices.

[night girder]

lucky I didn't wait. My XFX RX6950 was 659,00 euro

[dire igloo]

My 7800xt was like 560€ - but I got to keep my 600W PSU

[edgy hazel]

[dire igloo]

Would've never trusted it with a 6950xt

[pure karma]

funny enough same

even tho its worst in every way for what i use it for

worst sound playing quality... and worst system ussage... but on the positive i get to open tabs at mach 10 like if im ever gonna be doing that

[jagged snow]

Why would the browser have worse audio quality?

[pure karma]

i dont know but its a big difrence

[jagged snow]

And in my experience CPU & memory usage are pretty comparable

[jagged snow]

Something's misconfigured then

[pure karma]

4x higher ram ussage and 10x cpu ussage so far

[gilded helm]

Are you blocking fewer trackers and analytics?

[night girder]

I have no problems with firefox and audio quality.

[gilded helm]

The only reason I can see Firefox audio quality being worse (or any browser) is for some reason YouTube is throttling anything that isn't Chrome.

[night girder]

But then it isn't Firefox being the culprit. You can test it with other websites and listen to that audio.

See if it's the same quality or difference. If other websites have better quality, it could be like Red Maw said.

Use spotify or something, they* shouldn't do any shenanigans.

[gilded helm]

Yeah, fundamentally when you load up a website, assets are assets. Audio will not sound different unless it's being compressed somehow in the process of being sent to you.

What I can possibly see being the case is you're using a web version of Spotify, and the settings for quality aren't carrying over and are at some sort of very low default.

[night girder]

Well, I am on YT atm and sound quality is 👌

[pure karma]

realistically whats going on is probably that firefox dosent work whit seround sound 7.1 or something around that

[sand saddle]

You're using 7 speakers?

And no surround support just means that only the front speakers will play or all of the speakers will play equally

[pure karma]

yea no huge diference just double checked to be sure it wasent some temporary issue and its defedently not

if i turn off 7.1 seround sound the sound is almost the same so its very likely that

crazy how it makes played sound go from 20$ wish speakers quality to like 200$ headphones quality

its not a huge deal but it is a downgrade at the end of the day

[sand saddle]

Fyi nearly all headphones come with 2 drivers and any surround is a software implementation, not actually 7.1/5.1/whatever

And if any headphones acually have more drivers in them, it's purely marketing, it doesn't really serve a purpose considering how close together they're.

[pure karma]

drivers are up to date

[sand saddle]

One type of headphone driver:

[charred pewter]

hehe "drivers are up to date"

[pure karma]

well technically they are but theres are 2 difrent kinds

[charred pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/girl-car-drive-thug-life-gif-22555158

3 different kinds of drivers !

[jagged snow]

There are more...

[sharp oasis]

It's not that at all

[chilly leaf]

This
Got my 6900xt for 1100$, 7900xt is now 1100$ lol

[sharp oasis]

Iirc there was an ongoing investigation by developers to investigate if YouTube is sabotaging other browsers

[edgy hazel]

lucky us

[dire igloo]

unless you're talking AUD, $1100 is 7900xtx money today - and on Nvidia's part close to 4080

[edgy hazel]

even 1k is xtx money:

[chilly leaf]

CAD

XFX variants

[kind moat]

for grins and giggles, install a user agent switcher on firefox and make it pretend to be chrome

[wanton orchid]

it's not that simple

[languid gulch]

so we're getting images back from the japanese lunar lander & rovers, & it's definitely faceplanted into the surface. rovers survived & seem to be doing fine, but what's incredible is that anything survived. at some point below 50m from landing, one of the main engine bells FELL OFF

what's even more incredible is that they caught it on camera mid-fall

[twin dew]

Mistimed 90 degree turn from braking attitude to landing attitude.
As the legs aren't on same side as the engines.

And it rolled unknown number of times after that.

[languid gulch]

idk how much of the mission was reliant on the lander, but it did a great job protecting the rovers

[twin dew]

It was supposed to do that 90 degree flip at last moment, and then rock back and forth.

The rovers were just dropped before that landing manouver.

[languid gulch]

at least it didn't fly into one or both of them in the process

[twin dew]

So they weren't aboard the lander when it landed and rolled.

[languid gulch]

was it supposed to at least do a soft landing before deploying the rovers?

[twin dew]

No

Like I said, they were dropped while the braking was still ongoing.

[languid gulch]

just a "get em as low as is safe, then drop em"?

[twin dew]

Yes.

[languid gulch]

still amazing

reminds me of half my ksp landings

[twin dew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muK6gFtv7_o

[languid gulch]

i do kinda want to see them use the rovers to right it 🤣

ok this method of landing seems to be not the way to do it. isn't this how the israeli lander ended up failing?

[twin dew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DKnnEp61l0

[languid gulch]

the whole "slow down, flip over to look around, flip over again, continue on" thing

i wonder if it bonked its butt on the ground & that's what popped the bell off

[twin dew]

Seems to have rolled around multiple times, so yes.

[edgy hazel]

Technical question. Would this work?

[languid gulch]

lol

that'd be one gigantic nade, but could clear a room, sure

might take a couple days tho

[mental oriole]

[night girder]

That looks goofy 😂

[nimble cargo]

Well, that's lovely. CPU&GPU are now running HEAPS cooler. New case (old was 13 years old, whaaat?) and a new CPU fan cause stock = poop

[languid gulch]

never a bad thing

[languid gulch]

& yes, my experience with stock fans is that they're best used as foley props for jet engines

[junior quail]

I wonder if one of the rovers could give the lander a shove back upright? It seems to be on a slope and quite precariously balanced

[jagged snow]

My understanding was that the rovers were unable to deploy

[twin dew]

They were dropped before the landing attempt.

[tough owl]

US military probably tested this and then immediately classified it 🤣

[jagged snow]

I thought they dropped the static payloads during the hover and the rovers after the land&tilt

[twin dew]

No, the rovers were dropped, the statics are built into the lander, and don't work now really as the solar panels aren't getting sunlight.

[edgy hazel]

they are in love

[stray badger]

What icons do u use?

[edgy hazel]

Normal Firefox and Thunderbird icons

[pure karma]

firenot special

its firefox whit google searching and it looks sick

[jagged snow]

Mozilla really does have some of the best open-source projects out there

Thunderbird especially is just the best multimail client I've found

[stray badger]

That aint the normal thunderbird

Or maybe mine is not normal

Strange, mine is up to date yet not using the new icon or looks

My icon theme was outdated

[visual tree]

I got an outlook update at work today and the new design is terrible 💀

[night girder]

Been long time fan of Mozilla yes.

[visual tree]

I immediately switched back to the old design

[night girder]

type in about:config in as url in Firefox to be blown away.

and they have a few other about:xxx

[visual tree]

I think I used about:config for something in firefox few years ago

This is the "old" design

And this is the new design....

[night girder]

I think it's cool they hid it for the average user and still give the more technical users a chance to customize the browser in depth.

[visual tree]

Now I remember. My old cctv dvr browser plugin was not working and there was a fix using about:config

[jagged snow]

Something interesting that I've noticed with my phone is that it doesn't do a good job of dynamically switching between 120hz and lower refresh rates for static content, which would probably save a lot of battery

[night girder]

I user betterfox. But I spammed that repository so many times in here that I am afraid to do it again 😂

essentialy, it's an opinionated config file that gives better protection and performance.

[visual tree]

I might give Firefox a chance. Didn't notice any improvements in Chrome in recent years

[tough owl]

Firefox is amazing

Ublock works properly there

[night girder]

I don't understand how chrome became so popular.

Well, there was the dark ages with IE.

[jagged snow]

I have become my own worst enemy
I just hit 20 tabs open

[twin dew]

So I was wrong and the engine nozzle did separate first:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bFiJvbKyPs

[night girder]

This made me giggle: " Smart lander for investigating the moon touched down softly on the moon, unfortunaly in the wrong orientation"

I hope we can learn from it.

😂

[mental oriole]

[night girder]

Translation error from Japanese to english

[charred pewter]

but if it was japan, that may be accurate translation

[winged valley]

https://youtu.be/7h6J1wI4GKU?feature=shared

Yet another HP L

[paper stream]

Is this safe for my phone I got a new school laptop and it has a type-c charger that is 65 w and I'm connected it to my 10 watt charger phone it says turbo charger mode enabled

[jagged snow]

Yup, that's safe. The phone won't charge any faster than it's designed to

[gilded helm]

Don't worry, Google will help you get back to Firefox. If Chrome isn't shitty enough for you yet, give Google time.

[charred pewter]

i had left firefox all those years ago because it became shitty and shittier ... now a new contender is getting in on the game

🙂

[jagged snow]

By the way, if you haven't tried it, Firefox Mobile is fantastic

[charred pewter]

no

[edgy hazel]

Come use the furry browser

[jagged snow]

Oh no 💀

I'm switching to opera

[stray badger]

just installed betterfox

smoothscrolling is pretty neat

things appear to be faster

[kind moat]

you weren't lied to, that was just before they started hiring a ton of soulless MBAs

[torpid plaza]

What kind of phone would you recommend? I thought about getting a pixel for that grapheneos but I'm not sure

Looking for something that lasts a long time mostly

[little wing]

pixel phones are amazing

i can vouch

[jagged snow]

I'm personally a very big fan of oneplus devices

They're excellent candidates for custom ROMs, but they also have one of the best Android implementations that I've come across as stock

[torpid plaza]

Why are they one of the best candidates for custom roms? O.o

[jagged snow]

Very good community support, and something about the hardware being easier to work with that I haven't bothered to look into

Any of your major manufacturers such as google, samsung, xiaomi, oneplus, motorolla, etc will be fine in terms of community support for the most part