off-topic-tech

[dire igloo]

because it IS the video's content

[dusk rivet]

*sad us noises*

[night girder]

no blocker can do that. If it's part of the actual video.

[dire igloo]

Sponsorblock does

it's crowdsourcing

people submit the time codes for sponsored segments

and it just automatically skips them

[night girder]

That's actually pretty smart, but has a few issues

[dire igloo]

there's also DeArrow which will remove misleading titles and thumbnails

[night girder]

but I am not that annoyed with adds embedded inside the video itself, I just use my mouse and click to the part the video continues

[dire igloo]

you can still watch the segments if you want to. It has a bunch of preference settings

[night girder]

or I tab my right arrow a few times to skip a few seconds

[dire igloo]

btw, it also tells you the video's total runtime without the ads

[gilded helm]

I'm so used to skimming videos manually that I don't end up finding sponsor block add ons useful.

[night girder]

Yeah, it's pretty cool project.

[night girder]

I understand, I just browse the internet so much, that I don't want to get distracted by 100 flashing images of adds. Main reason I use add blocker.

[dusk rivet]

i'm the exact opposite, i got so used to sponsor block add ons that skimming feels wrong

[dire igloo]

coworker of mine suggested it when I mentioned adblock for all employees.
Asked him if he's gonna keep it updated, we're looking into browser extensions now

[gilded helm]

uBlock has otherwise remained adequate for me through Youtube's attempts to stop blockers.

[dusk rivet]

i've got ublock origin and sponsor blocker

[night girder]

I think this might end up in a cat/mouse game between blockers and add providers.

YT does X to block. Addblocker find workaround for X. YT finds workaround for addblocker workaround.

[dusk rivet]

youtube cracking down on ad blockers just made more people aware of them, so now more people use em

[dire igloo]

I advise heavily against using add blockers unless you know what you're doing.
They can easily kill your career if you do anything with mathematics

[night girder]

you lost me

[dire igloo]

Check out DeArrow btw

[dusk rivet]

for sure

[dire igloo]

addition, not advertisement

[jagged snow]

Did you hear about their latest tactic? If you have an adblocker installed(even disabled on youtube) they slow down page loading massively and drastically increase cpu usage simultaneously

[night girder]

and it increasees the pressure for an alternative. More people annoyed or not happy with YT = more room for competition or alternatives (so I hope).

[gilded helm]

Under current systems uBlock on Firefox will always be more adaptable than Google. It would take a more fundamental change for Google to make any headway.

[night girder]

jesus. Again?

We've been over this. That was NOT YT.

It was a bug in adblocker itself.

[gilded helm]

It wouldn't surprise me if Google drives people away from Chrome just like MS did with IE.

[jagged snow]

My understanding was that it wasn't this time around?
I just saw a new headline for it yesterday

[night girder]

#off-topic-tech message

[dusk rivet]

now this looks cool, defo gonna get it

[night girder]

It got patched today.

[dusk rivet]

wait it's paid, nvm

oh i can just wait 24 hours, works for me

[night girder]

Sorry if I sound annoyed. But there is even a reddit post on why the incorrect information went so viral. Even after the correct information was spread.

[jagged snow]

Huh, good to know

[dire igloo]

tbh I can totally see YT finding and exploiting bugs like these

give the adblock something to chew on

[dusk rivet]

anyone tried a grommet mounted dual monitor stand on mdf?

just slightly concerned it's gonna rip through said mdf

[gilded helm]

One question that fascinates me is what it would be worth for Facebook, Google, and the like to just pay Raymond Gorhill (of uBlock) and every contributor that will take a check to cease development. I know it'll never happen because someone else can just pick up the project. But I want to know the dollar amount they would pay to Gorhill, and then randoms (perhaps $10,000 at a time) to just not develop and distribute adblockers.

[night girder]

I totally understand you 😄

[dusk rivet]

i mean, it's not an unbelievable thing

[night girder]

Exactly. Like I said, I am amazed. But I cannot blame anyone.

[dusk rivet]

i wouldn't really be surprised if youtube were to do that

[gilded helm]

The more sketchy thing was when it was found that Firefox user agents were given a loading delay. Or was it all non-Chrome user agents?

[jagged snow]

Firefox iirc

[night girder]

1.65m million views in a day or something, spread like wild fire.

[dusk rivet]

is there something to auto scale stuff between a 1440p and 1080p monitor?

[night girder]

It should send a signal to YT/Google/Alphabet too. That people are really losing their trust.

[dire igloo]

especially given the recent developments

[dusk rivet]

i have one of each and the ui scaling being different keeps tripping me up whilst moving stuff between monitors

[night girder]

I mean, if there is a new alternative, and it gets track, I am 99% ready to try it out.

I am kinda done with YT and their latest features. But there is no alternative 🤷‍♂️ I never wanted shorts. I hate that every 3rd video in my playlist is below 100 views. Because they want to give new content creators a chance. But... someone literally just coded that the 3rd video is always a low viewed video.

Not random, no... the 3rd on. 🤦‍♂️

[jagged snow]

set display scaling on the 1440 monitor to 125%

[dire igloo]

the issue isn't that they're pushing small creators, it's that they're pushing small creators that do stuff that doesn't align with anything you watched

[dusk rivet]

omg thank you, that is so much better

[night girder]

Have you noticed, that if you click on the description of some videos, you get a big ass short in the middle of the description?

[dire igloo]

idk how many 3rd vid recommendations I got that were just a random guy's Let's Play of some never heard of game - and it's an episode picked from the middle somewhere

[dire igloo]

Nope, never

[night girder]

it's new.

[dusk rivet]

that's horrible, jesus

[night girder]

While I am not a big fan of shorts, the format, the only shorts that I liked so far, or funny ones. Sketches, jokes etc.

Like somebody posted a short here about trains being on time. That was funny 😂

[night girder]

I get it, you have to somehow give smaller content creators a chance.

But there are multiple factors playing into why some creators are big and other aren't (yet). How good is the content? Creativity? Audience? Competition in the genre? Educational? ...

but by just picking up random low videos videos as 3rd, I think it's dumb.

[sharp oasis]

lets be brave. gonna try 7800XT with PT on cyberpunk

[pure karma]

i dident... i instead took a more "Creative" approach

but it works and you cant see it so i dont even care anymore il either fix it later or fix it nerver

[winged valley]

Here's a question

I just recently worked on a Wacom DTX2200 that had the no backlight/no display issue. The fix for this is to replace the 5 transistors / p-gate mosfets being using for voltage control

I finished the fix and it powered on, so I figured problem solved

However another technician connected it to an actual PC and while the screen does power on, it doesn't actually recieve a display signal even with drivers (that being said, the signal is serial through DVI so drivers shouldn't matter)

I was using hot air to replace these chips, so how likely would it be for me to have burned out something related to the DVI connector / input signal?

(Only reason I'm asking is bc I won't be in until Friday so I'm curious if I can get any potential info ahead of time)

[jagged snow]

It's difficult to say without knowing the pcb layout, but that seems unlikely

Did that voltage regulator supply the backlight exclusively or was it also used for the panel driver?

[winged valley]

I'm pretty sure its exclusively for the backlight but at the moment my memory of the initial diagnostics is hazy

Doesn't matter though because the OSD does come up saying no signal

4 of 5 transistors were on topside in various locations, 5th one was on the bottom

[jagged snow]

Hmm, okay
so the panel and associated circuitry is fine, it's a problem with the display signal processing

[winged valley]

In that case its possible I could've burned out a 0402 or 0603 cap

I was desoldering the bad chips at 360C with no board heater, which I figured out be fine since they were bad

(We don't have a board heater)

[jagged snow]

You did make sure there was nothing on the other side of the pcb, right?

[winged valley]

I don't follow?

Top side has components, bottom side has a few

I was blowing air from above the chips I was removing not from below

[jagged snow]

It's plausible that without a board heater you managed to desolder something directly opposite of the fets/transistors

[winged valley]

Hmm yeah that is possible

I'll test the connection myself on friday and if it doesn't work when I do it then I'll inspect around those areas

Thanks

Hopefully nothing fell off and I just caused a bad connection

[jagged snow]

Yup
Always glad to rubber ducky someone

[winged valley]

Actually, it would be especially bad if I lost any SMD's because I was never able to find any schematics on any site for it

No boardviews either

[sharp oasis]

@jagged snow sorry for the ping. Bur holy hell Rdna3 is good at RT 55fps Cyberpunk 1080p PT max graphics fsr prefomance. (looks still decent ngl.)

[jagged snow]

It's a lot better than rdna2 for sure
Unfortunately, that's performance similar to a 4060ti

Although the 7800xt is the same price and much, much faster in rasterisation

[sharp oasis]

ehh. With the OC im able to push this thing to. Its Decent

3.15Ghz core

2600mhz mem (it doesnt like high clocks)

[jagged snow]

Don't you have a 7800xt?

[sharp oasis]

Got one off a freind. He bought the wrong gpu

[jagged snow]

How is that the wrong gpu?

[sharp oasis]

He was looking at buying a larger gpu misslecected and decided not to return. (he's done this a few times with parts) so I ended up with a 7800XT

It's baller asf

The fastest stable it will handle is 3.3ghz. Core

Look at the sheer size of the thing

Biggest gpu I've owned

[jagged snow]

The 6950xt was that way

[sharp oasis]

It's baller.

Holy hell this thing loves to eat power rho

[jagged snow]

Spotify has been having amoment lately

It won't play/pause/skip while I have a game running, and when I don't have a game it's super delayed when I try to perform any of those actions

[gilded helm]

Spotify's software has always seemed to be only just functional enough. It never surprises me when it has issues.

If it weren't for its catalog and better fuzzy matching, I'd leave it in a second.

[jagged snow]

Yeah...
I stick with it because of pricing, convenience, and the fact that that's where my library already is

[gilded helm]

I'm confused why they bailed on their integration with DJ software. It probably wasn't a big revenue stream, but it's great positioning for Tidal and everyone else who's still there.

[jagged snow]

Yeah, I have no clue

My only thought is that it made their liscensing cheaper

[nimble cargo]

I could do without it glitching and putting the last 20ish songs on endless repeat.

[jagged snow]

Yeah, it seems to have gotten progressively worse recently... like most software

[nimble cargo]

Yup.

[gilded helm]

Their shuffling has always been particularly bad, 20 songs sounds about right before it'll start forgetting some of the songs exist at all.

[winged valley]

Thats 2 8 pins you havent seen power draw yet

3080ti / 3090 has 3 8 pins

[sharp oasis]

I'm still sucking back like 400w peak

[winged valley]

Yeah thats pretty insane but you also OC'd

[sharp oasis]

Pretty heavly oced

[winged valley]

If you had an extra connector (and sufficient cooling and good silicon luck) you could potentially jack that up to 550-650W

But those are unrealistically perfect circumstances

[sharp oasis]

The cooler can handle 400w

Easly

It's massively overbuilt.

[winged valley]

What temp at 400W?

[sharp oasis]

75c and 98c hotspot

Rdna3 is normally hot for Hotspot

Compared to my old 6700XT that would almost die from 230w

[winged valley]

98 is a bit high even for hotspot

[sharp oasis]

It's kinda where the chips fall for rdna3

It's gonna have a higher T delta then rdna2

Tbf it only peaks this for a second at most

[winged valley]

hmm so then solution is liquid metal which requires too much prep or waterblock

Bc heat density go brr

[sharp oasis]

Before throttling back to 330w

It does get Hella fps.

[winged valley]

Well yeah its throttling

[sharp oasis]

I mean no temp was in the throttle range

[winged valley]

You could adjust the throttle temp closer to thermal shutdown

[sharp oasis]

It's powerlimits claiming back

[winged valley]

Oh nvm then

[sharp oasis]

Clamping

[winged valley]

Are you able to increase the powerlimits through normal means or would you have to reflash vbios

[sharp oasis]

Power limits try to let it pull 330 area. Bur it peaks alot higher from load spikes

We haven't cracked rdna3 vbios yet iirc

[winged valley]

Well wouldn't it just be compiled code for a standard SPI chip?

We have plenty of SPI decryption tools out there

[sharp oasis]

I'd assume

I'd wait for igors lab to crack it

Them I'd probabamy mod another 30% powerlimit

On top of the 15%

It's a triple fan 3 slot cooler

On a card that only needs a dual fan 2 slot cooler

[winged valley]

Nice

[sharp oasis]

So litterally old games

Need to be run at 1440p/4k to even pull any significant amount of power

And the asic quality is 94% so. I could probably push it a bit farthed

Farther

[languid gulch]

got a fun one

so sometimes i'll open one game, & it won't show up in the "basic" task manager until i close & reopen it

[edgy hazel]

Woop

[languid gulch]

can you tell if it's going to be a good one?

[edgy hazel]

the keyboard? I already got it. It's beautiful and big and very very thocky

[languid gulch]

right, but you can only tell if it's going to be good by using it

[edgy hazel]

so far it's really nice. I feel like I can type way faster on it already. The ABS keycaps are a bit ehh and will be raplaced.

[languid gulch]

i haven't used a "real" keyboard in so long i forgot how clacky they are

[twin dew]

UPS battery again successfully replaced while the UPS was on \o/

[dire igloo]

We had a planned power outage last year and the UPS didn't log anything on that day

[edgy hazel]

the fun thing about linux is removing a directory and all it's contents:
rm directory/foldery/ -fr
remove this fr fr

[tribal kraken]

My office UPS report looks like this

Many times saved my work. Rural area blackouts happen even the lines have been underground for year now

We have a 80kW backup generator in service truck which can power whole workshop if theres long blackout

[edgy hazel]

The funeral:

[wooden vessel]

NEver seen a qwertz layout. Is this a keychron?

[edgy hazel]

yes it's a K10 DE-ISO

it's also capable of bluetooth, but afaik it's a pretty slow since it only does 90something Hz

for typing so far it has been amazing. I'll try some gaming in a sec

[wooden vessel]

I have a c1 (brown). Really like it. My son’s c1 blue is clacky af, always know when he’s on the computer. Wired 💪

It’s 90 in wireless, 1000 when wired

[dire igloo]

I want to see you do this at an actual funeral

[edgy hazel]

Clicking their keys one last time

man I'm really trying to become friends with browns, but they just don't do it for me...

[dire igloo]

Yeah, "clicking" their "keys"

[dire igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/racist-racism-dave-chappelle-gif-5114632

[edgy hazel]

Sure they're 100% better than just straight up linear, but I'm still missing a lot of feedback

[valid eagle]

got brown, and i'm really pleased with those

have tried blues, red and brown

and so far, brown are smoother and no annoying clics

i hate blues 😄

[edgy hazel]

I need the click machine

[dire igloo]

Honestly, I'd like browns with a more noticeable bump

I miss rubberdome for that, very snappy

[edgy hazel]

me typing a discord message should sound like a case of tools in a jet engine

but if I get the thock with a click too I'll be very happy. Currently it's just a lot of thock

[pure karma]

me typing a discord message sounds like 7$ of e-waste

12$ of e-waste if you add the mouse whit a 50/50 chance of recognizing a click

to be honest i just love seing how much damage the garbage keyboard that came whit the alienware can rack up

like the w keycap bends like a good 30 degrees in each direction

[dire igloo]

Me typing a discord message produces a fraction of a cent of ewaste (in the form of hardware degradation on Discord's servers)

[dusk rivet]

spectrum's making me download their stupid app just so i can port forward

and i can't access my phone rn cause i'm in an exam

guess i have to wait till i get home to do it

why must they make setting up a minecraft server so difficult

[dire igloo]

Why are you setting up a Minecraft server while you're in an exam?

[dusk rivet]

exam is over, and i'm bored

i was tryna do it last night but it was taking too long

i could just localhost it, since i'll be playing it on the same internet connection, but that's annoying and i might want to have someone on

i'm gonna use my parents pc to host it, and play on my main pc

they shouldn't mind the marginal drop in performance for their chrome tabs

i actually don't know if localhost will work between pc's

[charred pewter]

my google nest wont even work without a phone app ... 😦 i cant even reach it via a web browser wired in

[dusk rivet]

hopefully it will since i'm on the same network

[charred pewter]

(its what my ISP gave me)

[dusk rivet]

this 200ms ping with my remote connection is annoying

[pure karma]

its called the art of boredom

[edgy hazel]

okay pretty nice gaming

the keyboard

[night girder]

Yesterday, I was watching a show. Where somebody got murdered by a heart attack. Hackers got access to the bluetooth of the pacemaker. My first reaction is, why would anyone, connect a pacemaker to bluetooth and the internet? This adds 0 value and x number of risks. 🤦‍♂️ My point being, not everything needs to be connected accessed so easily. Maybe they did it on purpose that you cannot just access the thermostat that easily.

[edgy hazel]

for diagnostics a bluetooth connection to a pacemaker would be fucking awesome

all the relevant data accessible from anywhere

[night girder]

it would be fucking dumb

[edgy hazel]

no it's actually really good. Just shitty when it gets exploited

[night girder]

never, ever would I go for that. It's dumb.

Get rickyty rekked

[edgy hazel]

People that have a pacemaker usually go more often than usual to a cardiologist. Now imagine having to get the finger thing and all the shit everytime, or just have the doc connect to the device with Bluetooth

[night girder]

imagine your pacemaker killing you, because of a vulnerability. It's meant to keep you alive.

[edgy hazel]

Yes. Imagine dying in traffic

[night girder]

Well if I die in traffic, it's not because of my car being connected to bluetooth.

If you can eleminate risks, why wouldn't you?

[edgy hazel]

That is such a minimal risk

[night girder]

Also, there is a big difference between reading data from a device. Or being able to adjust the data of the device (like how it happened in the TV-show).

The potential side effects of such an attack include breaches of privacy, the inability to monitor one’s heart, and even falsified heart data which could prompt pacemaker patients to worry.

I had a hunch, but it seems, that it's read-only Because they freaking know it's a major security risk.

[dusk rivet]

any of y’all have experience running a forge server?

my brain is taking its sweet time comprehending how to do this

[edgy hazel]

just use any guide

there are millions

[dusk rivet]

i was hoping i could do it without port forward, but it looks like a no

[edgy hazel]

that's a no

[dusk rivet]

well i was just gonna host it for my pc sitting 2 feet away from the host pc, and on the same network

so i thought maybe? but nah it isn’t working

[edgy hazel]

oh then you don't need that

for lan you don't need to forward a port from your router

[dusk rivet]

i’m quickly confirming the server works by joining from the host pc, my dogs are outside rn

i’ll double check the server functions first

[winged valley]

you only need to port forward if you're joining with a domain name but even then I don't think so

You only need the local ip and port

Oh yeah actually make sure you specify the port in the address, I've had some instances where MC doesn't like local games unless you specify port

[edgy hazel]

DM me if you need help.

[dusk rivet]

mismatched mods, whoops
gonna try again in a sec

at least the failure logs are pretty clear

[edgy hazel]

yeah for some reason, MC Mods always log super well

[dusk rivet]

ok joining from host pc, says “authentication servers are down. Please try again later, sorry!”

i’m assuming it’s a forge problem and i just gotta wait a bit?

[winged valley]

So when you join localhost (127.0.0.1) on host pc

Thats the error you get?

[dusk rivet]

yeah

[winged valley]

That's either an issue with forge, or potentially with mojang themselves and their account check

[dusk rivet]

different ip, but yeah

[winged valley]

Wdym different ip

On the host machine don't join the ip assigned to the pc

Either join localhost or 127.0.0.1

[dusk rivet]

i didn’t input an ip, just localhost

[winged valley]

Ah okay

Try spinning up a vanilla server and see if you can join that

If you get the same error still then the only thing I can think of is mojang issue

[dusk rivet]

as in remove the mods and try again?

[winged valley]

Nah just shut that down and get a fresh installation of vanilla server in a different folder

No forge

[dusk rivet]

i’d rather not set up a whole other server

[winged valley]

If you're trying to run a cracked server then thats also probably the source of your issues

[dusk rivet]

nah i have a legit copy of minecraft

[winged valley]

it takes 30 seconds just accept eula and run

[dusk rivet]

ah ok

[winged valley]

put it in a separate folder and again make sure the forge server isnt running because that will cause addressing issues without additional configuration

[dusk rivet]

where can i find the vanilla server files

[winged valley]

minecraft.net

just google it

[dusk rivet]

i also had to use a beta version of java if that changes anything

java 21, java 17 failed to work entirely

[winged valley]

Java 17 is old

Also are you only using JRE or do you have JDK downloaded too?

If you don't have JDK, you need to get that

[dusk rivet]

jre? jdk?

very much a novice at server hosting

[winged valley]

Java Runtime Environment and Java Development Kit

You need JDK to run a mc server

[dusk rivet]

ah i used a jdk

some dude in a reddit forum i found said to use it, tried and it worked first try

the server jar file for the vanilla server won’t open…

[winged valley]

Yes

It generated a text file titled eula

Open that, set eula to true, save it, then try again

[dusk rivet]

that’s what i get for not going to the downloads folder and just using google

vanilla server is up

[winged valley]

The management GUI opened?

[dusk rivet]

yep

[winged valley]

Wait for it to say the server is running (done generating terrain) then try to join it

[dusk rivet]

join with an unmodified version of minecraft i assume?

[winged valley]

yes

whatever version matches server version

[dusk rivet]

1.20.4

modded server is 1.20.1 btw

[winged valley]

I see

I ran one not too long ago

Never had this specific issue tho

[dusk rivet]

some of the mods i’m using are only on 1.20.1

or at least were, and i don’t feel like redownloading them all

[winged valley]

Version shouldn't matter forge should just work

[dusk rivet]

vanilla server works, i’m in-game rn

[winged valley]

Alright good, now shut that down and try the forge server again

[dusk rivet]

manual downloads, i hate the mod manager

[winged valley]

If it doesn't work then maybe try running a clean install forge server with no mods

If you can join that, its a mod issue, if you cant join it, skill issue I guess

[dusk rivet]

lol

if it is a mod issue it’s gonna be a pain

over 56 mods installed

[winged valley]

It could be a missing depedency or incompatible version

[dusk rivet]

two mods did have an issue, but server just refused to launch

[winged valley]

Thankfully I don't ever have this headache bc i only play vanilla or sky factory

[winged valley]

average forge moment

[dusk rivet]

tried a couple versions cause i really wanted that mod, ended up having to remove the 2 problem mods

mod and its library mod, didn’t make that super clear

ok forge server with mods failed

now i try without mods

[winged valley]

My issue with forge is that it does next to nothing to try and ensure cross version mod compatibility. Like, most mods from 1.20.1 wouldn't work in 1.20.4 all because the number is different. Like what did mojang fundamentally change the file structure or engine design in a minor patch? no

[dusk rivet]

server does show me trying to join if that’s any help

[winged valley]

lets see what happens with the clean install

[dusk rivet]

yeah

i am using an existing world btw

replaced the world with my singleplayer save

huh

my mod folder somehow emptied without me knowing

gonna try it with the mods actually there as they should be

[winged valley]

Well first, is it working without mods?

[dusk rivet]

mods in, also fails

[dusk rivet]

modded client but without mods i presume?

[winged valley]

No

In a separate folder

Make a new forge server

[dusk rivet]

oh!

[winged valley]

No mods, no plugins

Join that on a vanilla client, then on an unmodded forge client

If both work, start gradually adding mods to the server until you figure out what breaks it

[dusk rivet]

got it

now begins the slow and tedious process of troubleshooting

all so my big hole can get dug faster

[night girder]

you backed up your world right?

[dusk rivet]

my world is sitting comfy on an entirely different pc

and on a backup drive

vanilla client trying the new forge server failed

fresh install forge server to be clear

[winged valley]

What about unmodded forge client

[dusk rivet]

no mods, no plugins, only change i made was accepting the eula

[winged valley]

Make sure client and server versions match

[dusk rivet]

i’ll try it rn

both 1.20.1

forge client no mods works

[winged valley]

Strange

[dusk rivet]

guess i’ll be gradually adding mods till it craps itself again

[winged valley]

Vanilla SHOULD be able to connect to unmodded forge

But oh well, have fun with mod troubleshooting

[dusk rivet]

:shrug:

i’ll add em back in chunks of 5 mods so it’s not quite 1 by 1

[winged valley]

Although if you had any plugins installed, a problem with a plugin is more l,ikely to interfere with authentication than a mod is

[dusk rivet]

no plugins

just my mods

i have no idea what i did, but all my mods just worked

[edgy hazel]

if you wanna go crazy, use something like this: docker-minecraft-server.readthedocs.io/en/latest/

and the documentation is actually crazy good

because it's made for 13 year olds. Wish this was adopted in all industries

[dusk rivet]

and it works with my save

now to try joining on the other pc instead of the host pc

[winged valley]

I see no reason why that wouldn't work

What OS is host and client?

[dusk rivet]

idk man

both win11

[winged valley]

Then firewall wouldn't be an issue

[dusk rivet]

with the time i’ve been having with this server anything is possible

[winged valley]

If it was win8 or below, or linux then I could see a problem

[dusk rivet]

well

[winged valley]

Nah win10 is configured out of the box with lax firewall rules same with win11

[dusk rivet]

it failed

[winged valley]

To maximize compatibility

What did it say this time?

[dusk rivet]

“connection refused: no further information”

server didn’t even log anything related to me joining

[edgy hazel]

so you're joining from another machine

[dusk rivet]

yeah the machine sitting 2 feet away connected via the same ethernet cable

[winged valley]

specify the port

[dusk rivet]

(active splitter)

[dusk rivet]

wdym?

[edgy hazel]

and you're using the IP from the other machine and not just localhost?

[winged valley]

"xxx.xxx.x.xxx:xxxxx"

Format for IP and port

I assume your server is running on the default 25565 port

[dusk rivet]

haven’t changed anything related to the port

[winged valley]

So if your host is on say, 10.1.0.54, then the ip would be 10.1.0.54:25565

Substitute the actual ip ofc

[dusk rivet]

ipv4?

[winged valley]

yes

don't try to join with ipv6 its too much of a hassle

[dusk rivet]

IT WORKS!

YES!

[winged valley]

and if all else fails, try disabling IPv6 in the network adapter for the host, then running

Terminal

ipconfig /renew```

[dusk rivet]

Amazing, that’s everything working as it should

[winged valley]

Okay cool nice have fun

What fixed it?

[dusk rivet]

Using that

at some point i gotta “brief” my parents that i’m hosting a minecraft server on their pc

[winged valley]

Yeah like I said earlier, sometimes MC is picky about local servers and wants you to specify the port

[dusk rivet]

should just be a matter of “don’t close that app unless you really need to”

[winged valley]

I forgot what witchcraft I did to make my local server joinable from a local client through my public dns

[dusk rivet]

if i ever want to invite someone then i’ll go through the pain of port forwarding

[winged valley]

if you have an old laptop (with ethernet) just use that

[dusk rivet]

i don’t, sadly

[winged valley]

its easy just forward port 25565 TCP/UDP pointing to the host ip

[dusk rivet]

they won’t mind the marginal reduction in their google chrome tab performance

[winged valley]

There shouldn't be any reduction

[dusk rivet]

i just mean cause i’m using up some resources on their computer

[winged valley]

RAM allocation for an MC server is dynamic, it won't reserve the max you supply it with

[dusk rivet]

allocated the default 4gb, should be fine right?

[winged valley]

Should be

[dusk rivet]

if it ever isn’t, i know how to up it

[winged valley]

Also run it with no gui (meaning only in command line) if performance matters that much to you

Its a marginal impact but still

[dusk rivet]

nah i just wanted to make sure it wouldn’t be a problem

[winged valley]

h-how much uh de-ded uh dedotated wa-wam do i need for a server?

classic meme

[dusk rivet]

kinda cool hosting a server of my own for once

don’t have to deal with annoying server hosting platforms

[night girder]

and you can set it up the way you want. For V-rising, I gave myself more resources etc. cba with grinding for hours and hours to build a castle.

[dusk rivet]

yep

[winged valley]

and its "free"

[dusk rivet]

for me it is, i don’t pay for the power here

(live with my parents)

[night girder]

not sure how much you can configure for MC

[dusk rivet]

a fair bit given the patience

[winged valley]

This is my server host

Its a WIP AIO Host platform for VMs and docker containers

[dusk rivet]

at some point i’d love to have a rack mounted server for hosting game servers

for now my parents pc will do

[winged valley]

You don't want rackmount unless you need it for the sake of space or other network peripherals

Trust me

[dusk rivet]

i mean if i’m gonna rack mount it, it’d be with a nas and ups

[winged valley]

Rackmount can be very tedious to set up and unless you get a 3-4U chassis you're gonna be stuck with very loud fans and have to deal with ducting for forced airflow

Which also severely limits your cooling options

[dusk rivet]

fair

[winged valley]

This is the same server I sowed

UnRAID is a great OS

[dusk rivet]

parents pc will be my machine of choice for server hosting for the foreseeable future

[night girder]

maybe try to see how popular your server is, before increasing it's capacity 😉

because if nobody plays on it, why spend all that money 🤷‍♂️

[dusk rivet]

i7-8700
16gb ddr4 ram
gtx 1070
for those who are curious

[night girder]

Unless you have money to burn 😄

[dusk rivet]

this server is for just me myself and i, for now at least

[winged valley]

If you want to save money and hassle I'd reccommend building an AIO server like mine in a regular PC case. I recommend at minimum M-ATX but you probably want ATX or full tower if you want a NAS as well

And on that note, I recommend the Fractal Design Meshify 2

[dusk rivet]

could i have one machine serve as both nas and server hosting machine?

[winged valley]

Absolutely

Don't use windows for it though

[dusk rivet]

might convert my current pc to that when i build a new one then

[buoyant umbra]

I do 👍

[dusk rivet]

gonna need a new case, but otherwise should be fine

[night girder]

I can probably run a minecraft server in a docker container on my synology DS920+

[winged valley]

Use freenas/truenas or proxmox, depending on your needs. Or if you're willing to spend a little money, use UnRAID but be warned, it has its own quirks as tradeoffs for ease of configuration and is designed for data integrity and not speed

[night girder]

but no way that I am opening my NAS towards the internet

[dusk rivet]

i guess that would be the one caveat

[winged valley]

What I mean by that is if you use hard disks for the NAS, be ready to either use SSD's as a cache layer, or be limited to 230MB/s on a 2.5g LAN and only accessing one file at a time

[night girder]

Meh, if you know enough about security and want to spend time/money into securing it, it can be fine.

depends on how you all set it up. I just cba.

[winged valley]

UnRAID has great support for various weird and wacky network setups as well as GUI based IOMMU support (provided your motherboard has it and for the love of god dont use ACS)

[dusk rivet]

wth my parents pc is sitting at 10gb of ram usage

server is capped at 4gb…

[night girder]

I am stuck with DSM

[dusk rivet]

only using 3

oh it has 8 days of uptime…

shoulda known

[winged valley]

Internal VLAN management, bonds, bridges, assigning entire NICs to a single container or VM if you really want to

Wireguard built in

[winged valley]

rip

I still don't recommend exposing your NAS hardware host to the internet but there are ways to do it "safely"

[night girder]

putting stuff inside docker containers adds complexity and security

[dusk rivet]

can i get a dumbed down explanation for docker containers?

[night girder]

mhm, it's virtualization. Like running an os inside an os.

[edgy hazel]

without the os part

[night girder]

most containers use a linux distro.

[night girder]

yeah, linux is not an OS ...

[dusk rivet]

so one machine, but it simulates having another machine

[edgy hazel]

no I mean docker is specifically made to not just be a VM

[night girder]

Well not really, it's not like wine etc.

Think of a box with a very specific purpose, running on your computer.

For example, you can make a container, with linux or whatever, and run a minecraft server on it.

[night girder]

People who connect to your minecraft server, will connect through your PC, to the container.

But it's very hard to break outside that container (making hacking a bit more difficult).

Unless you fully neglectic the security features provided by docker 😄

[dusk rivet]

so if your pc was a room, a container is like letting your guest in, and locking them in a tool chest inside the room

[edgy hazel]

I find with proper documentation and understanding of docker compose, I often find it so much faster in the long run for testing and all

[night girder]

Kinda, but with a lot of other features 😄

I have on my NAS a program that can find duplicate images, but since I didn't fully trust it, I ran it inside a docker container. If I didn't like it, I can delete it, and it would leave no trace on my NAS.

if I run the docker container, I can access the program from the network, like a cloud based application.

[edgy hazel]

no it's more like your PC being a workplace with an open office, but you give one person their own office. The office here would be the docker container.
The person still has access to the same resources like the printer or internet by going through the door (docker) into the main office.

The person now can work on important and secret databases, do encryption and all without others being able to snoop in. He could even pick up a router and create his own secret network (hihi).

[night girder]

and, you can duplicate that office on the fly. If needed. For example, a back-end receiving a lot of request, you can scale up containers. So if 1 container can handle 100 requests. It gets suddenly 120 requests. 2 containers will be ran to handle more requests. When people stop visiting (they go to bed), the other container can go back to sleep. So you have fine control over resources. For companies this is interesting, since it can reduce costs. They don't have to run 2 containers using CPU etc.

[dusk rivet]

so the office is as big as i want it to be, or as small

[edgy hazel]

with something like docker compose, you write a file with instructions on how to start a container and what volumes to use and you can do that for multiple programs/services in one file.

You start that all up at once, so you can have a main and backup server always pulling their image from the same status

[night girder]

You make more resources available on demand to put it simple. Opposite than providing enough resources for the highest load possible (which is wastefull).

[edgy hazel]

you could do a webserver, website, sql database and all in one go. All isolated and exactly configured how you want

[night girder]

Why would a server be using all resources when everyone is sleeping? And this is all done "automatically" once you set it up ofc. Which can be some work.

[edgy hazel]

Don't want to optimise your website for multiple server cores? Simply start multiple containers and assign everyone to one core and then smack a load balance in between

[night girder]

If you want to know more: docs.docker.com 🙂

but setting up a basic container isn't so hard I believe. Although, docker and related technologies can get very complex and technical. There are courses for it.

Depending on how far you want to go and how much you want to learn!

[dusk rivet]

any way to hide two open applications from being seen by the common user?

[edgy hazel]

run them as admin?

[dusk rivet]

i’ll try it

[sharp oasis]

Navi32 is Hella good

[jagged snow]

Self-teaching how to use the win32 api for creating windows apps with guis

It's somehow less fun than it sounds

[dusk rivet]

welp

server done broke again

the server literally hasn't even been turned off since it was last working

i'm convinced it's forge or mojang having an issue and not me

reloading minecraft fixed it

what. the. hell.

this server might directly lead to me going insane

[wanton orchid]

:aware: of how lacking the official "documentation" is

[jagged snow]

Yeah, it's unimpressive

I was having a laugh at how many open source community projects have better documentation than one of the world's largest software copmanies

[wanton orchid]

Microsoft is professional in not providing any information about memory allocation and sequencing responsibilities for api endpoints
and then complain about software behavior to be inconsistent and everywhere

when behavior are actually undefined

[jagged snow]

Speaking of, do you have any recommendations of non-official learning material for someone who has a fairly good working knowledge of cpp but not of low-level windows programming?

[dusk rivet]

if i end up in a mental hospital i blame the server, but otherwise working great, lag is nonexistent, which makes sense

[winged valley]

Linux users who get up in arms about people referring to linux as an os are part of why linux users are laughed at

The average person doesn't even know what a kernel is, and they barely understand what a loonix is. If they;re really interested they'll figure that out like 2 minutes into learning about linux

[jagged snow]

It's alos one of those things where it's really not worth it to explain to average joe the difference between an os and a kernel and why exactly it's important that he know a distinction that won't ever affect his daily life

[winged valley]

Im gonna start referring to windows as NT at work i wonder if any of the oldies will think im talking about win NT

[gilded helm]

I can remember a lot of people parroting the talking point from Apple advertisements, trumpeting the fact that it's unix-based as a good feature.

I pressed people on why that was good every time, sadly I didn't even get any memorable bad answers.

[narrow folio]

Windows for desktops has been using an NT kernel since XP. So hopefully everyone working in IT should know😁

[twin dew]

Phoenix 1 AM5 APUs have 8+4+4 PCIe Gen4.
Phoenix 2 AM5 APUs have 4+4+2 PCIe Gen4.
(+ 4 chipset linking lanes for both).

And people on the Internet are raising their pitchforks for product they would never buy anyways (Phoenix 2).

[narrow folio]

because no NPU for Phoenix 2?

or not enough lanes for the 4090 Super Ti?

[twin dew]

That 4x max GPU slot and that second CPU connected SSD slot is just 2x.

[narrow folio]

Well, get a better CPU then

[twin dew]

"... for product they would never buy anyways ..."

Even if it had 16+4+4+4 like Raphael.

[narrow folio]

IT karen?😁

[twin dew]

Phoenix 2 is designed as chip for cheap laptops, which will never pair a dGPU with it.
That it is also coming to desktop as the cheapest possible AM5 chip doesn't change that.

And there are the Phoenix 1 and Raphael up from it, and the cheapest Phoenix 1 will not be that much more expensive as the cheapest Phoenix 2.

[narrow folio]

Maybe I'll get one just to be able to say I have a innovative Zen 4c core

[twin dew]

Innovative, as in just respin of exact same design for area efficiency instead of being designed in chunks to make designwork faster to do and more likely to work first time.

[wanton orchid]

zen5c when

[twin dew]

0.5-1.0 years after the Zen5?
That should be coming out this year?

[wanton orchid]

sorry I didn't work the windows low level yet
I'm focusing on Linux environment and high level programming at the moment
as I freaking need to reach production state since 2 years now and focus on server side stuff anyway (so Linux is very reliable)

[wanton orchid]

I hope so
iirc zen5 is planned for may/Jun ?

[night girder]

Funny thing is, when you say linux distro, it's considered an OS. If you say Linux, it's considered kernel.

[winged valley]

I'm well aware

My point was that most people aren't and don't care

[night girder]

You know this channel? People do care in here. Trust me.

[tough finch]

hi new to the server I found a bug

[night girder]

wrong channel my friend 😄 - https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1038092680493801533 & https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/

[winged valley]

I assume that when someone doesn't already know the distinction, they probably aren't the type of person to care

[tough finch]

which channel is it

[edgy hazel]

or some people do know but do not care

[winged valley]

Because as I said earlier its one of the first things you learn about linux

[night girder]

This is the off topic tech channel.

[tough finch]

ok

[night girder]

Question-and-help can help you out. Else satisfactory. Or else click the url I posted to check if the bug is already reported. Else create bug ticket.

[winged valley]

Also technically you could run pure linux as an OS but you'd be severely limited in function (no package manager, no gui)

[tough finch]

how do I make a bug ticket

[winged valley]

You'd also have to compile it yourself

[winged valley]

The website he linked

[tough finch]

ok

[narrow folio]

tried LFS once, never again😁

[winged valley]

lol

[night girder]

Linux != GNU Linux

GNU Linux = Linux Distro

🤪

these people in the 90's with their crazy ideas

[narrow folio]

I learned a bunch of things while bending my head around LFS, but nothing that I could really use nowadays

[tough finch]

@night girder I am coding a game on the lego robotics ev3 code platform and it was the worst 2 years of my life

[night girder]

I never programmed in Lego 😄

[tough finch]

dont

[edgy hazel]

iirc it's python

[night girder]

huh, looked it up, micro python even

[tough finch]

I used the block based version

[edgy hazel]

ah yeah it also has a GUI based programming tool

forgot that lmao

[night girder]

well ... what did you expect kinda? 😄

[tough finch]

I could send the files tomorow

its still a work in progress tho

gtg peace out

[edgy hazel]

the start time difference between gimp on windows and linux is insane

I think the main reason I was using paint.net was that it was simple to use and would start quickly. Gimp and Photoshop would always take forever to load and it felt like building a factory to edit one meme.

[dire igloo]

GNU = GNU's Not UNIX

[proper pasture]

Odd question, anyone here have experience with theater lights?

[night girder]

here is the linux copy pasta: stallman-copypasta.github.io

[tough owl]

Did y’all see Vision Pro comes with the standards apps like messages, mail, dinosaurs?

[edgy hazel]

no I'm using linux

am I doing it right?

[tough owl]

Yea

[edgy hazel]

is this the point where I post a neofetch?

[dire igloo]

No this is the point where you write a Master's thesis on how exactly Linux is better than all other OSs - and follow up with a PhD thesis on how your distro is better than all the other

[edgy hazel]

I use popOS

https://tenor.com/view/b99-holt-balloon-pop-gif-10094260

[winged valley]

I use ubuntu desktop as a jellyfin server

😎

[edgy hazel]

didn't get my amd gpu drivers to work on vanilla ubuntu, but popos picked it right up

[tough owl]

Ubuntu also uses snaps

And snaps suck

[night girder]

I only saw it's price tag and a demo, openings apps by just looking at them.

Kade, you think vision pro is going to be successful?

[tough owl]

If they can get the cost down. Weight down. And make a compelling use case for it yes

It’ll take some time but so did the iPad and the iPhone

Apple has the money and dedication in my mind to make it work

[midnight osprey]

Gree

I'm being trolled by YouTube.

It intentionally pauses any video I play twice at the start

Despite me having gb internet via ethernet.

And all since I switch from Google OS to Apple TV and iPhone.

No ducking way I'm switching back.

I will remove my premium sub from YouTube though!

I swear they're just taking the piss out of anyone not using their own browser or tech.

[tough owl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm7y9jlebrA its real

[languid gulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR1JIzdcVV4

high praise from GN calling it well-built

[charred pewter]

that guy needs a haricut... and a shave

everytime i see that cromagnum mug on a video, i pass bothering to watch it 😄

[visual tree]

*sends an aggressive double-edge razor to Steve (including sharp japanese feather razor blades)

Hope he doesn't kill himself

[night girder]

he would be a good candidate for... manscape

[visual tree]

I regret using feather razor blades on a shavette. Ended up with cuts everywhere on my face lol

They are really sharp

[edgy hazel]

y'all are wrong af for wanting steve to shave

what is wrong with you

https://tenor.com/view/smh-oh-my-gif-27543046

[charred pewter]

imagine what steve would look like shaved up and just wearing a beanie ...

[jagged snow]

The entirety of technet would come grinding to a halt

[edgy hazel]

it's what gives him his powers

btw I'm really starting to like browns...

but I still want my clicky back

the solution is: second keyboard

[languid gulch]

he's nicknamed Tech Jesus, we're lucky he doesn't have a gandalf-level beard by now

[night girder]

Just read, EU is going to block Amazon's take over of iRobot. A 1.4 million deal.

Because Amazon didn't give EU information to take worries away. So untill Amazon talks to EU, it's probably going to be blocked.

[dire igloo]

there's gotta be an AI tool for that

[night girder]

and so it begins

[night girder]

I don't think his chin is correct

[languid gulch]

looks like he belongs in a 90s low budget western on UPN

[dire igloo]

he looks like all the Top Gear hosts combined

[charred pewter]

ROFL

[tough owl]

https://tenor.com/view/topgear-gif-24646598

[jagged snow]

He looks like Alec from technology connections without the beard

[tough owl]

https://tenor.com/view/technology-connections-neat-gif-21600901

ngl im surprised they have gifs of him

[dire igloo]

where Hammond?

[tough owl]

https://tenor.com/view/richard-hammond-hammond-top-gear-grand-tour-exited-gif-24291827

[dire igloo]

he's the one bringing in the luscious hair

[tough owl]

or the most insane activities

[charred pewter]

"what me? ha HA ! I'm not insane! 😁 😃 😝 " - hammond

[visual tree]

Just don't let him drive Rimac again if you want him to survive

Oh wait, he drove it again but somehow survived lol

[languid gulch]

DEAR GOD

[jagged snow]

I can't unsee that now

[languid gulch]

reminds me of this

[rain flare]

Hello. I want to upgrade my computer. Please tell me what are the requirements for fullHD and 4K resolutions on ultra settings with rays?

[dire igloo]

If you're planning to upgrade:

• what budget do you have for the upgrade (say it in your local currency, converting to USD or whatever is useless to us)
• what parts do you have (send a pcpartpicker list with the parts that you have)
• what do you do on the PC?
• what preferences do you have? (example: 360mm RGB AIO, white theme, etc)
  though, if you feel like your performance is good enough for now, consider saving the money or splurging on peripherals

from a generic statement like that, 7800X3D as the CPU to cover the 1080p portion and 4090 for the 4K RT part

[paper estuary]

anyone got a 5800x3d or 7800x3d and how does it perform in satisfactory compared to similar intel chips

[dire igloo]

much better, Satisfactory seems to love the extra cache

or depending on the definition of "similar Intel chips" I'd say they perform similarly

[paper estuary]

is there any actual benchmarks for satisfactory to compare say 13700k

[dire igloo]

no clue

someone in here probably did some

[paper estuary]

if that person is around id love their feedback

[rain flare]

Thank you)

[paper estuary]

in particular how those CPUS will handle really big saves

[dire igloo]

I've found this one
#1175029104320454666 message

[jagged snow]

No, but there are some comparisons that we can extrapolate from.
5800x3d is almost exactly twice as fast as a 5600x.
7800x3d gives around a 50% performance boost compared to a 13900k

Suffice to say, they're by far the fastest chips for satisfactory

[paper estuary]

sounds convincing enough lol

[dusk rivet]

i now see why you don't like wireless mice

my g305 has some pretty shitty deadzones

read channel description

[jagged snow]

Yeah, mice and keyboards are something that should absolutely be wired unless I'm using them on the go with a laptop

[pure karma]

allright i have had enough

i give up on this stupid computer

[jagged snow]

What's wrong with it now?

[pure karma]

the entire gpu mount just fucking colapsed

[jagged snow]

You had it vertically mounted?

[pure karma]

no horizontal

the cards fine but the case isent and neither are the mounts

[jagged snow]

You mean the pcie slot came off the motherboard?
Or the pcie braket broke

[pure karma]

pcie slot is fine cards fine just the case is stripped now and the mount is maby usable but probably not worth risking

[jagged snow]

Did this happen when you were installing/removing the card?

[pure karma]

no it just colapsed on its own

[jagged snow]

Send pictures?

I've never heard of this happening without previous damage

[pure karma]

well theres nothing really to see i have taken everything apart allready

[jagged snow]

If you don't want it anymore I'll buy it off you for a hundred bucks and pay shipping to get it here

[pure karma]

also i think the aio pump is on its way out aswell because its squelling like crazy so i guess thats another thing to add to the list of bullshit to avoid next time

[jagged snow]

We did warn you to avoid an AIO

[pure karma]

well i doubt a heatsink would do better

[jagged snow]

It wouldn't have broken three times by now

[pure karma]

i guess thats a faire point

my options prettymuch are 1. throw the gpu in whitout a mount and only 4 motherboard screws because 2 of the holes are stripped now and just go until it snaps. or option 2. sell it and make it someone elses problem.

[jagged snow]

How did you strip screws for the motherboard and break the pcie bracket?

I've seen a lot of mistakes from new builders but I do think you've managed to amass the most impressive conglomeration of damage on a single build that I've seen

[pure karma]

the mount standoffs ripped out all the treads on the case

[jagged snow]

How...

[pure karma]

i dont even know im wondering the same thing

[jagged snow]

How on earth do you pull the motherboard standoffs like that

What case was it again?

[pure karma]

nxzt h9 flow

[jagged snow]

It sounds like you really really overtightened them then, the h9 flow has some of the better build quality in that price bracket

[pure karma]

i almost want to make a list of all the things that are wrong at this point

the list of working things : ram and storage

[jagged snow]

What did you do to your cpu?

[pure karma]

the list of broken things: everythign else

[pure karma]

nothing major yet only really temps but nerver really know

managed to total a pc in 1800 run hours kinda impressive

[jagged snow]

Where are you getting run hours?

[pure karma]

storage drives

[jagged snow]

Didnt' we already have a conversation about how that's not the most accurate?

[pure karma]

well its not but where else would i check that?

[jagged snow]

Nowhere

[pure karma]

guess im just gonna throw the gpu back in it and run it

was allready sagging whit the mount so it can only really get worst

[winged valley]

Broken pcie bracket?

Does your case have a top vent?

@pure karma

[pure karma]

yea

360mm top as exhaust

[winged valley]

well then behold my own gpu bracket

Connected to a screw for a 360mm rad, works great

[pure karma]

you know funny enough i think that would work

[winged valley]

If you broke things then that is a good substitute

It does work I've used it for over a year zero issues

Just make sure you attache the zipties to the backplate and not the heatsink

[pure karma]

honestly i got really lucky

i dont think anything is fully unusable other than the stripped case standoffs

in fact i think that was the failure point

it just looked really bad because one of the standoffs was bent at like a 45 degree angle but i think that was just the screw the mount looks almost passable as new when disasembled

everything else is just very minor cosmetic damage

glad for that beefed up pcie slot (i openned it properly mannually after to be clear)

other than that i think the only other damage is the terible cheap paint on the standoffs

im just gonnna let it sag and if it colapses again well then too bad

[dusk rivet]

get a sff case then your gpu cant sag cause there’s nowhere for it to sag into

how’s it gonna sag when it’s surrounded on all six sides by case

[pure karma]

seems like a great way to make a toaster

[dusk rivet]

usually 4-5 of those sides are mesh and not full panels

but you definitely gotta be mindful about what you put in the case

[winged valley]

Wait thats a gigabyte RTX card?

Def dont let that sag, is it 20 series or 40 series?

Looks like 30

There was a big scandal where Gigabyte PCB's were cracking during shipment, which means they are built poorly. Do not let that sag.

[pure karma]

its a 40 so yes its one of thoes im well aware

thats why its bending

its not bending the pcie slot whit it... the card is bending under its own weight

[winged valley]

Yes

[dusk rivet]

just buy one of those lil gpu peg thingies

gpu support bracket

you can get em for like 6usd

[pure karma]

but then i wouldent be able to fit something like a capture card i was considering maby getting one

[dusk rivet]

get an external one

[pure karma]

if the case standoffs wouldent be stripped i would be able to remount it again but i cant

[dusk rivet]

how on earth did you even manage to strip the threads that badly?

[pure karma]

seems you missed a segment

[dusk rivet]

contact nzxt support maybe?

[pure karma]

its not fully stripped but its stripped enough that the gpu standoffs cant grab

[dusk rivet]

dab of superglue?

not a great idea, but an idea nonetheless

just uh, goodluck to ever replacing those parts

so uh maybe don't

[pure karma]

usb c cabble is bent makes it another thing to add the the list of broken garbage

[winged valley]

what do you need a capture card for

Are you recording / streaming game consoles? Because if you're trying to use it for recording PC you are fundamentally mistaken

[pure karma]

mix of both however a second pc

[winged valley]

Your 40-series card has a very good encoder and can handle encoding while gaming. And even if it cant, you want a second GPU as a dedicated encoder (such as a Quadro P600 (cheap and very reliable))

[winged valley]

Wdym a second PC

[pure karma]

i have two computers combined into one setup

[winged valley]

What does that mean?

Are you saying you have a streaming PC? Virtual machines?

Careful with relying on VMs

[pure karma]

two individual computers

[winged valley]

What for?

[pure karma]

nothing special really for right now mostly just spread tasks across them

theres just no way this mount is gonna be doing literally anythign whit only 1 standoff

well i put the mount back in

its not doing much its not even really screwed in because everything is just stripped but its holding

[winged valley]

So what is the capture card for then?

[sharp oasis]

Laughs in my 7800XT not sagging at all

[edgy hazel]

You just have to create enough air pressure under the GPU so it doesn't sag

[dire igloo]

Instructions unclear, filled the space with packing air cushions, now my GPU is overheating

[nimble cargo]

GPU bracket ftw

[nimble cargo]

Ohhh, I like that!

[visual tree]

If you have a 3D printer, you can find many different models online

You will have to adjust the model height though

Or you could use your favorite superhero figure

[dire igloo]

perfect pose to add an anime girl below the TUF logo

Imagine buying a Platinum PSU and Corsair AIO and sticking to Deepcool stock fans

Custom cables too

[night girder]

Even spiderman struggling to keep these fat gpu’s up

[night girder]

Microsoft got hacked. And how they spin it is just so funny.

Beginning in late November 2023, the threat actor used a password spray attack to compromise a legacy non-production test tenant account and gain a foothold, and then used the account’s permissions to access a very small percentage of Microsoft corporate email accounts, including members of our senior leadership team and employees in our cybersecurity, legal, and other functions, and exfiltrated some emails and attached documents.

The attack was not the result of a vulnerability in Microsoft products or services.

Technical speaking there wasn't a vulnerability. But there also was a vulnerability (the old ass test tenant account)?

Also, why does a non-production test account, have permissions to do other stuff like that?

Isn't the whole idea of a test account, to keep it as dumb as possible, not give it... I don't know.... sudo rights n stuff

[dire igloo]

the vulnerability wasn't that the lock was pickable, it's that someone left the door open

which is human error and thereby not a vulnerability in the products/services - because it was internal

[wanton orchid]

"don't worry it is not an operating system issue, it's only above that, the only thing it can do is launch nuclear war"

[wanton orchid]

human training and selection is part of the vulnerability avoidance
softwares are made by humans too

[night girder]

but the lock was vulnerable for being able to be picked. I know fully well what they mean. Just wondering if people understand what I mean.

[dire igloo]

yes - but if a MS employee fucked up, that's not a vulnerability in their products or services, it's a vulnerability in their human resources

[night girder]

Vulnerable as in the technical term yes. But in the broader use of the word, it was still vulnerable. They just trying to slightly spin this one in their favor.

While a test account still being active is a vulnerability, if it wasn't why they got hacked? Oh wait. Because it was vulnerable.

[dire igloo]

View it this way:
Microsoft sells locks.
One of their employees left the door open.
Microsoft gets broken into.
MS says "it wasn't an issue with our locks"

[night girder]

A test account with rights over other accounts is a vulnerability.

[night girder]

Yes, like I said I get that. I know what they are saying.

[dire igloo]

but not in their products and services

[night girder]

Doesn't mean I agree.

[wanton orchid]

if a Microsoft employee can fuck up so it impersonate the leadership of Microsoft as a whole in a world wide critical impacting job
then Microsoft as a whole is vulnerable

[night girder]

They trying to pin it like this: "we are Gods, we did nothing wrong, poor us" (exaggerated)

[dire igloo]

it's standard PR talk after getting hacked

[night girder]

Still, do you know anything of test accounts? They SHOULDN'T be able to do this. It's a vulnerability.

[mossy linden]

tf i got tagged for?

[dire igloo]

and it's important (iirc even mandatory) to inform your customers about the scope of the hack

[night girder]

I worked in so many companies, and I test accounts with dummies, really. Mostly not even NEAR production environment.

And let alone with enough rights to get access to my boss emails. Wtf Microsoft 😂

[dire igloo]

I agree with that.
But that phrase by MS wasn't to inform the public about whether or not there was a vulnerability.
It's to inform their customers whether they are at risk of getting hacked too

[night girder]

Fair. 🙂 We agree

[wanton orchid]

they can get hacked by freaking Microsoft itself in that setup

the account almost had enough rights to initiate that pr talk announcement

[night girder]

damn strong legacy test account

[dire igloo]

This entire thing reads as "we fucked up in our internal rights assignment"

so yeah, if you do your rights management properly, you're fine. And if you make the same mistake as MS did, you're the one to blame

[night girder]

For Microsoft, this incident has highlighted the urgent need to move even faster. We will act immediately to apply our current security standards to Microsoft-owned legacy systems and internal business processes, even when these changes might cause disruption to existing business processes.

See?

They really pushing blame away.

They say it's the world changing and stuff. (msrc.microsoft.com/blog/2024/01/microsoft-actions-following-attack-by-nation-state-actor-midnight-blizzard/)

[dire igloo]

basically "we learned that 'do as I say not as I do' is kinda stupid when we aren't following our own advice on cybersecurity"

[night girder]

This PR talk. 😠

Like, at this point I believe it's just an AI writing this all up?

[dire igloo]

idk what you are reading there but they keep every bit of blame and every bit of responsibility within MS

[night girder]

They don't aknowledge what we are saying in here: aka, how the F did that account do that?

[dire igloo]

they say the exact opposite.
They say "we need to accelerate the protection of our legacy system"

[night girder]

How did that account get those rights?

We fucked up and dropped the ball.

[dire igloo]

of course they don't because why would they? someone internally fucked up

[night girder]

No, it's the world is changing fast. We need to act faster blabla.

[dire igloo]

someone gave that account those rights and forgot about it

[night girder]

This attack does highlight the continued risk posed to all organizations from well-resourced nation-state threat actors like Midnight Blizzard.

[wanton orchid]

I don't know what's the point of the conversation
but Microsoft certainly didn't admit their vulnerability as a vulnerability
though they did show what happened

[night girder]

they are making it a global thing. While it's a MS thing.

I don't know, this whole message feels off as fuck. They got hacked by russians.

[dire igloo]

the vulnerability was their thing. The fact it was exploited is a global thing

[night girder]

and they left the door open, should't give test accounts that much power.

shouldn't let people get access to them either with password spraying ffs.

The best part is though: costumers data is safe (if we can believe MS)

[dire igloo]

It reads weird in that they say "This break-in highlights the risk posed to all buildings from organized burglars" while they left their door open.

But it's a fairly normal response to a CS incident

Say what happened, inform customers about risks to them, say what changes you make so it won't happen again

[wanton orchid]

how surprising some people are very motivated to hack global monopoly companies having power on everyone on the planet, from political and national adversaries with destructive political behaviors
how surprising really
almost not like the whole 50 years past

[night girder]

Haha, someone wrote in the comments of the article that microsoft acts like this: "Do as we say, not as we do" 😂

because they are shoving 2FA etc in our throats etc. But do they practice what they preach? 😉

[dire igloo]

if they lied about that in this press release, they basically fucked themselves for future lawsuits

[night girder]

Not saying they lied. Just saying, they are humans, they can make a judgement error.

Maybe they didn't see the whole pictures of what the hackers achieved. Maybe this was a part of their plan, who knows? 😄

[dire igloo]

exactly what microsoft themselves said:
"We will [...] apply our current security standards to Microsoft-owned legacy systems and internal business processes"

[night girder]

right ... "We had a fire, we are going to install a fire alarm and more systems to prevent fire."

This part, I hate about humans. So many have to hit their head against a wall, before they know there is a wall.

[wanton orchid]

"ok I had deals with the Russian mafia to potentially exploit you, but trust me bro that cake I give you every week is still healthy"

[night girder]

You can yell "wall, wall, wall" ... they won't listen. They gotta hit it. Sometimes even MULTIPLE TIMES, before they realize, it's a wall.

[dire igloo]

they are legally obligated to inform about the risk their customers were/are exposed to

[night girder]

And I am saying, their risks analyses can be faulty. With emphasis on "can" and not "is".

[dire igloo]

this is not what they said.

In this example, they're a fire safety advisor (or a fire department) that said "we will retrofit our buildings according to our own fire safety guidelines"

[wanton orchid]

if you hit your friend in the head then heal it
it's not a matter of saying
it's a matter of doing and time
at the moment you are a bad friend, period

[dire igloo]

anything can be faulty. They might not even be right about the Russian hacker part

[night girder]

You don't see how that is surrealistic?

[dire igloo]

it's just stupid practice

they went "do as we say, not as we do" and now it backfired

but they can now tell their customers "if you did as we said, you're safe. We didn't and we weren't"

[night girder]

it's just MS being hypocrites.

[dire igloo]

no?

[wanton orchid]

and ?
and that means you can't trust their security standards

[dire igloo]

it's MS experiencing that being hypocritical about cybersecurity will only hurt themselves

[night girder]

How is not hypocritical to force security down millions people throats with forced updates, W11 with hardware requirements etc.

but then in your own company, fuck it all, do what you want

oh, just make a test account with sudo rights. will be fine.

[wanton orchid]

and let it live after the test *

[dire igloo]

why do you immediately assume a centralized systemic issue at MS?

someone left a door open, that's human error first and foremost

[wanton orchid]

abc how to be a snowflake at security

[dire igloo]

someone made a test admin for whatever reason and forgot to deactivate it

[night girder]

If MS can make a global security system for their costumers.

They can't make it for their own company? Wtf?

[dire igloo]

yes, they were hypocritical. But that's necessarily a bad thing

[wanton orchid]

that is

[night girder]

It's not that you can check accounts anywhere... and check what rights they have ...

it's not that you can make an automated system for that ...

it's not that you can disable all accounts that don't have 2FA enabled...

[dire igloo]

I'd rather have MS shove cybersecurity down my throat then have them saying "oh, we don't care about ourselves, so if we cared about you that'd be hypocritical, so we don't"

[wanton orchid]

fireworker you sound like you would give the world leadership to a kid
let it fuck up
and then say "well they'll learn it's just life"
in your basement ok
at global impacting job : hell no

[dire igloo]

if you can make a test account with admin permissions, you can make a temporary 2FA setup
The issue is not that this account was created, it's that it was still active without the proper security in front of it

[night girder]

I get you. I am just dissapointed that's all. Walk the talk. Practice what you preach. Lead by example.

[dire igloo]

also, this was an extremely specific targeted attack.
You don't go searching for legacy admin accounts if you just want to grab some money

[night girder]

And then again, I said it months ago. 100% secure systems is a fallacy so there is that 🤷‍♂️

[wanton orchid]

you don't get that they can literally think that and still understand they can't communicate that openly or dumb people will left them ?
pr talk is pr talk

[night girder]

Yeah, true. And political colored too.

[dire igloo]

I hate that people would rather have someone who's honest about being a dick than a hypocritical advocate of the good

[dire igloo]

ehhh, Russian hackers will hack everything they can except other Russians.
The big money is with the west

[night girder]

Kinda true, but more complicated.

[wanton orchid]

you are the hypocritical of the good
you are assuming they can't be off their speech

[dire igloo]

If MS tells me how to do CS properly and I see them get hacked because they didn't follow their own advice, I just laugh at them for the fools that they made of themselves

but I don't scrutinize them publicly for being hypocrites

[wanton orchid]

are you aware Microsoft products are actively relying on Microsoft itself ?

[dire igloo]

I'm assuming that what they said is true, because otherwise I could make up whatever the fuck I wanted

[wanton orchid]

we are not in cd erra

[night girder]

I am not allowed to do that? And why not?

[dire igloo]

you are allowed to, but I think it's bullshit

[wanton orchid]

I don't ask you to make up anything
not assuming things does not means making up other things

[dire igloo]

because you then put yourself morally above them

[night girder]

That's where you wrong.

[wanton orchid]

?

[night girder]

I am here in the mud, Microsoft is in the clouds. Now they just got pulled down into the mud with me. And I am telling em: "haha, you fools. Thinking you better than me".

[wanton orchid]

fireworker stop putting yourself morally above us here

[night girder]

MICROSOFT is the one parenting us all. They are literally talking down to us most of the time.

[dire igloo]

If I assume they are lying that's just as much of an assumption as them saying the truth.
It's a PR statement, so they'll try to look less bad. But knowing some of CS regulations, they'd be pretty stupid to openly lie about the scope of this attack

[dire igloo]

I'm not. I'm just stating my opinion in that nobody should think they're above anyone

[wanton orchid]

I never said assume they are lying

you do assume they are not

I said you don't know

you said idc

I can 100% say you better care

[night girder]

Nobody said that. In my experience, tech companies talk down to us (costumers). And now it shows, that the one preaching, doesn't apply it's own teachings. Or somebody (an employee) failed at that. But I am not going to blame one employee. It's microsoft, they should put systems in place to prevent this of happening.

[dire igloo]

You assume they aren't speaking the truth.
That can happen via three ways:
they don't know the actual truth - then that statement was still to their best knowledge and your guess is as good as theirs
they know the truth but intentionally said smth else - that's a lie
they know the truth but unintentionally said smth else - highly unlikely in a press statement like this

[wanton orchid]

now you almost say Usain Bolt can't say he's above other people's when it comes to sprinting

[dire igloo]

I didn't say I don't care. I said that speculation leads nowhere

[wanton orchid]

I didn't assume I observed
without blinding myself first with assumptions

[dire igloo]

*morally above

[wanton orchid]

security isn't about moral

[edgy hazel]

Hanlon's razor

[wanton orchid]

but keep going

[dire igloo]

you observed what?
MS made a statement and that's all the info you have

[wanton orchid]

that the statement is contradictory

going by the statement it lands off the statement

[dire igloo]

no, it's not. But that wasn't the point I was making when bringing up morals.
The point was: hypocrisy is portrayed as a much worse thing than it actually is

[wanton orchid]

you can scroll up and re read all my messages I never "made up" things

[night girder]

Don't think anyone is thinking here bad malice was involved. It was mostly stupidity. Like I said: microsoft can fully well implement systems to avoid this. Write a script that check all accounts and their priviliges. Don't let accounts without 2FA be activated. Delete them or send a mail that they need 2FA. Disconnect your test environment from the production environment. etc etc.

[dire igloo]

what about the statement is contradictory?

[wanton orchid]

you are trolling at that point I swear

[dire igloo]

you attribute to company policy what can be sufficiently explained by an individual's incompetence

[night girder]

Bro, I hope you never become CEO. You would fire a single employee for a company failure.

[dire igloo]

I don't see a contradiction in the statement, you didn't point out anything

[wanton orchid]

I literally explained first
the goal here is not to make the same conversation again

you are on a loop

[night girder]

The company failed here my friend. You think I can just make accounts nilly willy at a bank? there is 100 security measurements in place.

[dire igloo]

YOU can't. An admin can.

[wanton orchid]

so the admin fail

[dire igloo]

it's not an everyday employee that fucked up, it's someone in their IT department

[edgy hazel]

Yes yes. Microsoft is bad and wants your children. What's new?

[night girder]

Not even an admin can just do that. Or shouldn't. They have to go to the board of security to ask permission.

That's how banks work. Nobody is free. Everyone is checking everyone. All in the name of security.

[wanton orchid]

^

[edgy hazel]

there is a huge difference between a tech company and a bank.

[night girder]

Microsoft... is not just a tech company