off-topic-tech

[edgy hazel]

It's apparently hot-swappable so I can at least get my clicky blues again

[night girder]

should be yes

My first keychron had faults printed in the keycaps, black speckles.

I send an e-mail to them, asking if they could replace one keycap.

They send me a whole set of keycaps 😂

Support: 💯

[languid gulch]

yea this is the first keyboard withe keycaps that are removable for maintenance reasons

[night girder]

which one?

[languid gulch]

hexgears X5

oh i meant for me

never had a keycap puller before 🤣

[night girder]

haha 😄

I mean my corsair is still ok, some RGB leds are fucked up. And some keys are broken, they come off when I turn my keyboard upside down.

I probably smashed them too hard when I was frustrated with some game.

F4 key is broken for example. ALT + F4 rage quitting 😂

[languid gulch]

i mean, i'm old enough to remember the days when keyboards were built tough enough that you could probably bludgeon someone to death with it, just too young to have cared about that kind of thing at the time

[night girder]

PCB keyboard yes.

[languid gulch]

i keep waiting for keyboards & mice to have VR integration, with built-in location/orientation & activation on screen

[night girder]

someone I know games on a 10-20 dollar PCB keyboard. Last him already 10+ years 😛

[languid gulch]

it definitely has a specific feel to it

like working in a 80s era missile silo

[night girder]

he loved it. He didn't understand why I spend so much on a keyboard.

[languid gulch]

because you like having functional wrists & fingers

[edgy hazel]

I have 13 keys on my g513 which have a dead blue LED

And today it died for 2 hours

This mf going to a farm

[night girder]

I remember his main argument was this: "I paid only 20 bucks, and it lasts me more than 10 years, why pay 200 bucks for something that will break sooner?"

[languid gulch]

i'd rather the keyboard break sooner than my arms, it's cheaper to replace

[sterile plinth]

www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005936413031.html?browser_id=84cbbda4dad9442c96b1e0d5d2fb9e25&aff_platform=msite&m_page_id=bcsmhtcebqcabawm18cf8776ecf2052651eb10b8f6&pdp_npi=4%40dis!EUR!16.21!4.66!!!124.60!35.80!%402103205117049756259215017e8574!12000034925406238!sea!GR!0!AB&algo_pvid=1182e43f-87e2-411e-a438-9442eb4b58fb

Guys should I trust the Ali express watt meter not to blow up my outlet

Its 4$ with first product bought deal

[dusk rivet]

what’s the worst that could happen?

burn down your entire house? thats what home insurance is for

[sterile plinth]

YOU ARE SO RIGHT

[edgy hazel]

Bro don't buy electronics from aliexpress...

[dusk rivet]

ali express is a great place for crappy plastic things that don’t have a strong possibility of combustion

not so great for things that have a strong possibility of combustion

[twin dew]

Not really worth it when reputable one is about $20.

[dusk rivet]

not lighting my house on fire is definitely worth 20 usd

[night girder]

This looks silly 🙃

So 9 euro for filter. 5 euros for male. 7 euros for female. And the pistol I already had.

[edgy hazel]

🤨

[twin dew]

Pressurised air often has oil in it, and that needs to be removed for some uses.

From the compressor lubrication.

[night girder]

I have compressor without oil, but that doesn't mean there is no water in the air.

only problem is that there is a leak between female and male (lower connection)

[charred pewter]

I have a "Kill-a-watt" model from amazon, have had it for up to 15 years now, and its never failed me.... or burned up the connected device 😄

[sterile plinth]

these search recommendations are wild 😂

[charred pewter]

lol

[night girder]

Baldur, you think screw thread tape might help?

[jagged snow]

It should
Teflon tape is a must when you're doing pneumatic stuff

I've never threaded a connection without it that didn't leak

[night girder]

If you look at my first picture, the bottom part is screwed on the filter.

that is leaking air, I can see little hydro bubbles forming.

and ofcourse I feel the air on my hand too.

I'll buy that then.

I am a bit surprised how much liquid is already in the filter 😒

[jagged snow]

Compressing and decompressing air really does cause a lot of condensation to form

[night girder]

Yeah, didn't expect that. First time I used the compressor I was like: "I don't see any condensation". But I just bought it today to be safe and didn't expect this 😄

[charred pewter]

haha, speaking of AI nonsense ... www.tomshardware.com/monitors/msis-ai-powered-gaming-monitor-helps-you-cheat-at-league-of-legends-looks-great-doing-it

again, its NOT AI damnit .... sigh

[jagged snow]

Yeah
I really hate that neural networks have been rebranded as something with a completely different definition than what they are

[night girder]

steam is also going to allow AI games (read that yesterday).

But studio's have to give a warning that AI is being used to generate content in the games.

store.steampowered.com/news/group/4145017/view/3862463747997849618?l=english (blog post about AI on steam)

With this being the main gist of it.

[jagged snow]

They're also calling it ai 🗿

[charred pewter]

and i honestly have no issue with games that use ai generated content. just like i have no issues with games with esrb of M, or games that have blood

so long as the game is fun enough, i'll buy and play it

[jagged snow]

I've been playing the finals a lot lately and I've really enjoyed it

The generated voices are actually just really cool

[charred pewter]

i honestly believe the "Metro" games woulda been much better with AI generated voice acting instead of whomever they hired

[night girder]

I said a year ago, that I would keep calling it AI, just for the simple reason: then everyone is more or less on the same page 😄

you cannot call it anything else, because then people will be confused.

Also, image, live generated "AI" content in games. What can go wrong

Example: what if the adds in a city, are AI generated. Think cyberpunk. But cyberpunk adds are highly sexual, so if AI has to generate "sexual adds" ... oh boy oh boy

[jagged snow]

Oh yeah, that could never go wrong

[charred pewter]

AI generated random encounters based on the players play behaviors in the game ... that could be interesting

cause not all players play a big game (open world) the same way ...

some just play on rails, running from waypoint to waypoint of the main story ... some never seem to ever get around to the main story and stay lost forever ...

AI generated random encounters could be really interesting in like a MMO setting

lol ... AI NFTs in MMOs where people own legit unique items 😄

WHAT COULD GO WRONG

[mental oriole]

Everything

[charred pewter]

Anything, Everywhere

[dire igloo]

Wouldn't that make speedrunning it essentially impossible?

At least with Minecraft, you can limit the RNG by having seeds

Imagine you try to any% finish the main quest and you keep getting interrupted by side quests shoving themselves into your face

[night girder]

don't think that's allowed for speedrunning though 😛

[dusk rivet]

depends on the category

some categories are preset seed, some are random seed

[night girder]

Yeah, was just about to say. They have different categories for it.

I mean, if AI/ML/Something can come up with better quests than "Granny is sick, go fetch a potion from the next village". "The fisher has no rod, go to another village to find a rrod for the fisher". I am down for it.

Games like AC (generic sandbox where literally nothing makes sense) can benefit a lot from it imo.

but still, even if AI comes up with better story. A fetch quest will still be a fetch quest so mhm...

[dusk rivet]

isn’t there an argument that “ai” like chatgpt isn’t truly “ai”

[night girder]

what do you think we are on about for years?

[charred pewter]

could be a setting ... if doing a speedrun, just turn off ai content (as ai content is basically just there for people who are actually wanting to spend more time in the game doing something)

[night girder]

👆

[dire igloo]

AI can't fix shitty world building

[charred pewter]

but maybe it CAN 😄

[night girder]

You can call it something else, good luck talking to people 👍

we traded shitty NFT concept for the "AI" concept.

[dire igloo]

It'll become an excuse to cut down on world building

[night girder]

What will 2024 bring

[dire igloo]

And instead of making it better, it'll turn every npc into chatgpt

[charred pewter]

cloud-sourced ai world generation where it constantly improves the world by watching how players interract in it and get or dont get frustrated 😄

[dire igloo]

No thanks

[night girder]

There is already mod for that. I think it's unity. Where you can speak with everyone in the city.

And they are all AI. Pretty funny video 😄

[charred pewter]

an "ever evolving MMO" marketted as such that an AI is going to be constantly making changes to 'everything' lol

[night girder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sCWf2VGdfc

Sometimes I was actually impressed by the responses (but I think it was coded in, like a demo) and other times, it behaves like expected 😂

but honestly, I am not hoping for a game where you can have a "real life interaction" with NPC's. I would just go outside if I wanted that.

[dire igloo]

Question is: what's more immersive?
Irrelevant NPCs refusing to talk and saying smth like "I'm busy right now" or "hello hero, wishing you best of luck" - or a ChatGPT style conversation with every NPC you can find

If well made, AI can help with games - but then again, if you're doing a great job at world building, you don't really need AI

[night girder]

Game developers: "We want to make as much possible profit, with spending as less time and resources possible. Aha, AI can help us". 👈 I think this is the main reason 99% of game developers are hyped about it. And only 1% is thinking about making an actually innovating game with AI.

[night girder]

Have you seen the video?

[charred pewter]

honestly... i never WANT to talk to every damned NPC that exists in the world....

and ones that run up to me out of the blue and want me to do something for them, without any reason for it... just piss me off

[night girder]

if you make a "yo momma joke" you get this response:

[charred pewter]

like in the real world, NO ONE runs up to me and asks "hay can you run over to johnstown and pick up a fishing rob for me?"

[night girder]

I mean, does that feel like a game at this point 😒

It feels like being pulled into the real world. You can't goof around without getting white knighted.

[charred pewter]

thats when i pull out a pistol and shoot the npc

[night girder]

I though games were susposed to be disconnected from real life, so we don't have to think too much about morals and stuff. And go with the flow, a.k.a. have fun.

[charred pewter]

bad enough they preach to us in tv shows now ... i dont want that shit in my games too

[night girder]

but I don't want to get lectured by freaking AI npc's in a game that probably costs 100 euro. Since it's an AI game.

[charred pewter]

+10000

[night girder]

it's fucking code lecturing us how to be decent humans, it's ridiculous 😂

[charred pewter]

its a gateway drug for Skynet to justify killing the human race

[night girder]

If this is the future of technology, I am going back to books to have my fair share of escapism.

Look, another responses of AI:

Kids will be jumping in front of cars after playing games like this 😂

[dire igloo]

If I went up to a random person on the street and told them an offensive joke, it's more likely that I annoyed them that they were entertained or want to teach me a lesson.
That's not white knighting, that's people telling you to fuck off

[night girder]

you don't get it.

[dire igloo]

You can hardcode generic responses like that

[night girder]

and 100% we will not agree on this subject.

[dire igloo]

In fact, it's easier to control the NPCs and their response if you DON'T involve AI

[night girder]

If you want the next GTA 6 being like, I can't blame you.

[dire igloo]

Just think of the Chevrolet customer service chat

[night girder]

but I don't want my games to mimick real life. Real life sucks.

You know it's a game right?

You can get hookers into your car, drive over them, escape the cops with a tank and not go to court/jail. How far do you want to get with realism in games?

[dire igloo]

Yes. And devs still have a reputation to defend

[night girder]

you probably hate GTA

[dire igloo]

It's GTA, it's meant to be thrilling, but not realistic

If it was realistic, the streets would be crowded and breaking into a parked car much harder

[dire igloo]

It's eh. But more from a gameplay perspective, I'm not a fan of racing games.
And with GTA being this heavily built around cars, it's not for me

[night girder]

Cannot wait untill AI's in games start to explain to peoeple how to make pipe bombs.

[night girder]

To me, GTA is a franchise that doesn't care about being political correct. And I love it for that.

Flipping the finger to people on the street. ✅ Beat up a homeless person ✅ etc etc. It's just a sandbox. If you don't want to do this. Don't. But if you do want to do this, the game allows it. Morals and ethics are not to be found in that game 😂

[dire igloo]

It does care about political correctness

iirc they need to tailor for the Chinese market

[night girder]

Like when we are paparazzi and break every privacy law to take pictures of an underage popstar having sex? (GTA 5)

[dire igloo]

And from what I know, they're also very reluctant on making Nazis look good

[dire igloo]

There are tho?
You just don't experience any meaningful consequences

But that's because it's a video game

[night girder]

That's my point the whole time 😒

The video I posted, showed how AI would response in Unreal Engine 5. It's not fun. It's a game. It should be fun.

[dire igloo]

I doubt GTA 6 will have people use the N-word as a slur

[night girder]

I don't know, better also ban the word cracker then.

Oh wait, that still get's used daily

[dire igloo]

You could make it fun with parametrics.

That tech demo was just that, a surface level tech demo

[night girder]

Yeah, for sure. But what I saw. No.

[dire igloo]

I'm not familiar with the meaning of the word and its use or why it would be politically incorrect.

I also expect Hard-Rs to be substituted

[night girder]

you never heard someone calling white people "crackers"? From back of the day, when they cracked the whip?

[night girder]

I think eddie muprhy used it a lot in his old comedy shows. And dave chappel.

Anyway, interesting topic. But not suited for this channel.

[dire igloo]

Not really, no.
But tbh, snob is also a slur for rich people - still in use because you don't actually degrade someone powerless

[dire igloo]

The guy that brought Elon Musk on stage who then got booed?

[night girder]

😒 You don't know who Eddie Muprhy is? OR Dave Chapel. I though they were house hold names.

Don't blame you. Just a bit surprised you never heard of em 😄

[dire igloo]

Eddie Murphy rings a bell, never watched his shows.
Dave Chappelle only for the Musk thing

[night girder]

And Kevin Hart? He is also guilty of using that word.

Anyway, the cracker word is as offensive as the N word, they use it to offend white people.

[dire igloo]

But tbh, Dave Chappelle is a cut down version of Kanye West - "I can't be racist, I'm black"

[edgy hazel]

and yet you only censor one

[night girder]

think herg, if I say "The C word" you would giggle and say: "Haha, letter said c*nt"

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/hmmm-thinking-batman-gif-6153870554148391864

[dire igloo]

It can't be because the N-word was used to oppress black people, cracker isn't used to oppress white people

XD

[night girder]

I know how you think Herg, that's why I said cr*cker. And N, to not offend anyone. Anyhow, the C word doesn't offend me tbh. Just somethign I noticed.

[night girder]

doesn't matter to me.

Using words to insult someone, or a race, is the same purpose.

[dire igloo]

It matters to those that are affected

[night girder]

Insulting someone is bad. How ever you turn it.

[dire igloo]

Just like artists asking people not to call them talented

[night girder]

Then don't say the C word either.

it's a reference to slavery too.

[dire igloo]

Are you offended by it?

Is there a historic reason of it being used to devalue humans?

[night girder]

No. But some people are. And if you apply the logic of the N word to the C word. Then both are bad.

And if you don;'t think the C word is bad, then the N word isn't bad.

If you think N word is bad, and C word isn't, then I would say: "wtf?"

[dire igloo]

The logic of the N-word is literally "it was used to oppress"

[night girder]

Then why do so many people of certain culture still use it amongst themself?

[dire igloo]

That's why it's an issue.
That's why the Hard-R is also an issue

Because they were used to devalue people

Reduce their humanity, justify violence against them

[night girder]

So let me guess this, it's ok to use a racism term like C if you are black.

[dire igloo]

Not based on what they did. But on who they were

[night girder]

And if you are white, you can't say the N word. Got it. One racist word is ok.

The other is bad. Cherry picking.

[edgy hazel]

Bro

[dire igloo]

C isn't a racist term, because it wasn't used to devalue a race of people

[night girder]

[dire igloo]

It was used to refer to abusers

[dire igloo]

You make one a racist word by completely neglecting the history of those words

[night girder]

"commonly pejorative" so a slur.

[dire igloo]

One describes the oppressors, one describes the oppressed

[dire igloo]

Asshole is also a slur

[night girder]

I really have no fight to pick here. I just think; ban both words. Or accept both. I don't care. But not this in between.

[dire igloo]

Just because it's a slur doesn't mean it's bad to use it

[dire igloo]

If that's your logic, ban all slurs

Because clearly you don't seem to care about history or meaning

Don't call Germans potatoes, they might find it insulting

[charred pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/i-love-crackers-ricky-berwick-i-like-crackers-eating-delicious-gif-19310270

[night girder]

It's silly you think the word get's used to compliment us or something 😂

or as a neutral term.

[dire igloo]

That's not the point

The point is not whether or not it's a slur

[night girder]

While everytime I heard it so far, was faaaar from being a compliment. It was used as an insult.

[dire igloo]

It's whether or not it's okay to be used as a slur

[charred pewter]

for some reason i always thought 'crackers' was just a slurred version of quakers ...

[dire igloo]

That
Is
NOT
The
Point

[night girder]

no reference to slave masters cracking the whip

[charred pewter]

makes more sense

[dire igloo]

Was it used to devalue humans?
Was it used to justify violent hatecrimes against humans?

No? Then it's not as bad as the N-word.

It's a term used to describe violent oppressors

[sharp oasis]

So. I have a veey big thanks for a freind of mine. He is gifting me his 6700XT after he got a 6950XT

[night girder]

Sorry, can't comprehend your logic.

[sharp oasis]

And this is after he sent it in for warranty bc it has the coldplate issue

[charred pewter]

victims vs offenders ... negative words to describe the offenders isnt as bad as negative words to describe victims ...

[dire igloo]

The N-word as well as Hard-R were used to oppress people, devalue humans and justify violent hatecrimes against them

[night girder]

it is if it's based on skin color. That's called... racism. And that's how the word get's used in modern day society.

[dire igloo]

Racism is devaluing people based on their color or other physical aspects in their nature

[night girder]

Bro, wiki LITERALLY SSAYS it.

[dire igloo]

C can't be racist because you can't oppress white people

[charred pewter]

if cracker is to describe a slave owner... well, that could be just about anyone in history

[night girder]

racial epithet

wait wait

let me help us.

[dire igloo]

Says what?
Discrimination/prejudice against people based on race or ethnicity?

[dire igloo]

Never used that word tbh

But only B is really negative

A and C are neutral

[edgy hazel]

[dire igloo]

Tell me.
How can you be racist towards white people?

[night girder]

And that's just the intro of the wiki page

[night girder]

WTF? I am out. 😂 Go pick up a history book. Or look up apartheid in south africa.

[dire igloo]

How can you oppress an oppressor?

[night girder]

Believing racism is one sided is mindblowing (only white people can be racist?)

[dire igloo]

Apartheid was characterised by an authoritarian political culture based on baasskap (lit. 'boss-ship' or 'boss-hood'), which ensured that South Africa was dominated politically, socially, and economically by the nation's minority white population.

The fuck are you talking about

[charred pewter]

now if you do put 'white cracker' ... sure, thats racist... but just 'cracker' ? there were african-america slave owners ... so they were crackers (yet black)

[dire igloo]

Apartheid was white racism against non-whites

[dire igloo]

Anyone can be racist, but white people can't be the target of racism

How is that so hard to grasp?

[charred pewter]

its hard not to think some black commedians as being entirely racist against whites

giving the shit they say

[dire igloo]

Your prime example for racism against white people was white people being racist against non-whites despite being a minority

[night girder]

I don't need to grasp anything. I just knew a few south africans who told me some stories.

And what I learned isn't the same as what you are saying.

[dire igloo]

This is just sad.
Telling me to pick up a history book and read about Apartheid not as an example of racism by white people, but as one for racism acted upon white people is just sad.

YOU are the one that should read up on what racism actually means

[charred pewter]

ive had a racist neighbor ... he was a black guy and absolutely hates any and all "whites" as he calls them. without first giving a person a chance to show him they arnt bad .... he moved away after "being sick of the whites in this area" ...

we are a 50/50 town ...

[dire igloo]

Ah yes, because a few friends of yours know better than historians

[charred pewter]

but then ive also got ANOTHER neighbor, who IS white, and ... well, he is 100% racist too ...

[night girder]

Sure 😉

[charred pewter]

he even flies the maga banner

[night girder]

😒

[charred pewter]

me, i just try to stay out of peoples way ... 🙂

[dire igloo]

Ah yes, because oppressed people turning violent against those that oppress them is racist?

[charred pewter]

anywayysssss ....... tech-talk ? 😄

how did we get here... AI did it

[dire igloo]

What's his reason for acting like that?
WHY does he hate all "whites"?

[charred pewter]

lets blame AI for it

[night girder]

Yeah, like I said, I don't need to get white knighted by AI 😂

This chat will do that. And that's why I don't want it in my games.

[charred pewter]

it seemed more of how he was brought up... he was not an old guy, never oppressed as far as i could tell... it was just "how he was taught"

he even had a good job ... better off than me LOL

im sure it was more of a exception to the rule though ... but i run into all kinds around here since its a very diverse/mixed town

[dire igloo]

I'd say this is where it started - political correctness being portrayed as a bad thing

[night girder]

Man can't accept that not everyone is a fan of PC.

[charred pewter]

i like PC's

[night girder]

Me too 😄 But the hardware one 😄

[charred pewter]

being PC ... not so much, im so far from it cause of my age

[dire igloo]

If he grew up learning that white people are assholes from people that actually were oppressed, it checks out.

Also, him being a statistical outlier doesn't mean the statistic doesn't apply

[night girder]

I just want balance. The story is far too one sided. There is so much nuance. I will always be a fan of treating humans with respect. But I will never agree to "cherry pick".

[edgy hazel]

Hell yeah! PCs!

[charred pewter]

im too set in my ways...

but i grew up in an area where racism wasnt a thing, and so it just never sunk in one way or another with me. I guess i suffer from the "whats all the bother? cant we just live and let live" since I was not on either side

[dire igloo]

"not everyone is a fan of PC" is a different thing than "I like it when PC is ignored".
And: PC does have its place. Not learning about the history and importance of PC leads us to where we are - with people planning to systematically violate human rights

[dire igloo]

Beware of false balancing

[charred pewter]

but im a little gray alien, its in my nature to violate humans ...

[edgy hazel]

Keyboard

https://tenor.com/view/weekend-party-champagne-gif-18280013

[night girder]

There isn't one true balance. It's something you have to decide for yourself.

[dire igloo]

I grew up not experiencing racism either - that is until I've talked with people that did.
Actors being people I thought were cool

[charred pewter]

☹️

shakes fist at bluetooh speakers again for stuttering

[edgy hazel]

Oh talking about sound, I went back to my HD4.50s since it's winter and its so much nicer than in-ears

[charred pewter]

its so fun loading up reddit after discussing a few topics in discord servers, and see reddit pick more topics about the same things .... sigh

[dire igloo]

No?!
I don't get to decide what people see as a respectful treatment.
I decide where I draw the line with what I am willing to do - but if I get called a racist asshole for that, that's fine.

And if there's a scale from 1 to 100 for how racist someone is, "do you want me to act single-digits" is NOT an appropriate response to telling them they're racist

[night girder]

I think I said this before to you.

And I say it again. People are not a hive mind.

[charred pewter]

you know, i was called a racist once for saying i wish there would be at least english subtitles in a game that was going to be russian spoken, because i didnt understand russion. Then they banned me from the steam forum

[dire igloo]

There isn't one true balance, right.

But you should always reflect and decide whether you want to tip the scale towards "treat humans respectfully" or "ignoring history cuz lazy"

[night girder]

You will always insult someone.

You will always be a racist to someone.

People have different standards etc. Even if it's only 1 person out of the billions we have.

Mathematical, you will never be perfect for everyone.

[dire igloo]

Yet you think it's okay if you decide what a respectful treatment is

[charred pewter]

ive seen some people get bent out of shape when someone else was trying to be respectful to them ... they took it as being pandered too or mocked

[night girder]

In the end, yes I decide. But not in a vacuum. I interact with my environment. I pick up stuff. If someone tells me I offended them, I will respect that and try to adjust myself. If reasonable. But the things is. You can not please billions of people.

And if you do, you are chasing your own tail.

[charred pewter]

i cant even compliment a woman anymore, so i just dont say anything to anyone out there unless they ask a question first

[dire igloo]

Ah yes, so because SOMEONE might be offended, it's okay to not bother at all?

And btw, this response is the one I anticipated with this:
#off-topic-tech message

This is the exact logic used:
"You're 90+ on the racism scale."
"Someone will always be offended, don't make me act like a 5."

[night girder]

Never said that. I just said you cannot please everyone. If you going to keep adjusting yourself for everyone you offend.

You will go mute. If that's your goal, have fun. I am NOT doing that.

[charred pewter]

indeed

[dire igloo]

No, you can't. But you can pick WHO you want to please

[charred pewter]

even your pressence can offend someone... or the color of the clothes you are wearing, or not wearing, or even the kind of clothes

[night girder]

I like to be free, like freedom of speech and such. You might not like freedom of speech. But I am a big fan of it still.

[dire igloo]

Read the last paragraph again.
Try to comprehend it.

"I will always offend someone, no point in trying to make it right for everyone" = "I don't want to be a 5, it's utopian".
COMPLETELY ignoring the other end of the scale AND the history of racism

[edgy hazel]

freedom of speech is great. hatespeech isn't.

[charred pewter]

so, i just wear whatever, say whatever ... but try not to be obviously offensive to people LOL

[dire igloo]

Your freedom to swing your fist ends where my nose starts

[night girder]

Haha, I love that one.

And it's so stupid to sayu that to me.

Because it goes both ways 😉

You are trying to tell me, that I am endagering someones freedom with whatever I am saying. While by saying that, you are endagering MY freedom.

[dire igloo]

You're the one flailing your arms saying "you'll always bump into people"

[edgy hazel]

isn't that still a crime?

[dire igloo]

Grob fahrlässige Körperverletzung

[charred pewter]

you know whats kinda off ... is black people walking up to each other and calling each other the N-word ... in front of non-black children, who pick that up as 'the right thing to say' ...

[night girder]

I don't get it either.

[edgy hazel]

no I mean even moving the fist towards the nose in the first place

[dire igloo]

Freedom of speech doesn't grant you the absence of criticism

[dire igloo]

Versuchte Körperverletzung

[night girder]

Brings us back to the beginning imo.

[dire igloo]

Tho you'd have to prove intent

[charred pewter]

you have the freedom to say something stupid, and i have the freedom to tell you are being stupid 😄

[night girder]

Person A: doesn't like being called fat. Person B: doesn't mind being called fat. Do we ban the word fat?

[dire igloo]

I don't think you can be convicted for the combination of versucht + grob fahrlässig

How can you attempt being negligent

[dire igloo]

Has the N-word been banned?

It's socially frowned upon

[night girder]

Ones freedom is endangered, The other one isn't. How do you solve this? And if you say person A is right. Then this is an insane precedent. Because then you have to respect every single individual opinion.

Ok, let's say fat isn't banned. By social frowned upon.

[edgy hazel]

Tbh you can say what you want to. What you say will however decide into what circles you get, which communities accept or decline you, what companies want to do business with you and so on.

[dire igloo]

Ad absurdum

You make it a 1v1 decision

[night girder]

So you saying every single opinion is to be respected*.

[dire igloo]

As you said, you will always offend someone

[night girder]

Man, good luck navigating real life 😄

[dire igloo]

So we should wonder about a majority

[night girder]

Can you? I don't think you can say whatever you want 😄

[dire igloo]

Context matters too in this case.
Being overweight has a negative health impact, so if your doctor teaches you about your body, that's different from people publicly shaming others as fatties

[dire igloo]

What happens if you say the N-word?

[night girder]

So, let me get this. You have a issue with the N word. But not with calling people fat or C word.

[edgy hazel]

you can absolutely do it

[night girder]

Holy moly. I would never call someone fat, or the N word or the C word.

[dire igloo]

In Germany, "Beleidigung" (insulting) is a crime - but it'd have to be quite severe

[night girder]

True, but there will be consequences in some cases.

Getting arrested etc 😉 That's what I was hinting at.

[dire igloo]

I have an issue with degrading people for their weight

[night girder]

I have an issue with degrading people. Stop cherry picking!

[dire igloo]

You don't get arrested for most stuff

[edgy hazel]

absolutely. You can say what you want to, but that doesn't mean other have to accept you. Not communities, companies even countries.

[dire igloo]

Let's build from there.
Do you know about the history of people being degraded?

[night girder]

Here, I am pretty sure that for somethings I say out loud, I would get instant arrested.

Or atleast the cops getting over to hear my story and then fine/arrest me.

[dire igloo]

Everything is allowed if you can accept the consequences

[dire igloo]

Try denying the Holocaust in Germany.
Or telling people that it should be repeated.

Both illegal. For good reason.

[night girder]

Nah, I have the feeling I know enough of you. You are ok with some words. You hate other words. And I am just trying to convey, that insulting people is just bad. If you call me fat. And you don't see any issue with that. Is pretty wrong. Because I can be over here crying and be super insulted. Maybe even do something bad. Who knows.

and the same goes for the C word, how this discussion started or heated up. imho.

and tbf, I am making a point that is coming close to the point you once made about calling people "talented" which I still think is stupid AF, but now I know to only use that word with people who really know me and are my friends. So I know for 99% I don't insult them by calling em talented. I don't agree with it. All you did was make me aware that people are sensitive for it.

[dire igloo]

I won't call you fat because I do see an issue with that.
I won't call you a cracker unless you act like one.
I have no issue calling you an asshole, wanker or fuckhead - if you give me reason to do so.

You are the one trying to teach me about greyscales yet you criticize me when I differentiate slurs based on their severity?

[night girder]

on severity? No one racial slur you say: that is bad. But the other racial slur used against whites, that's fine.

[dire igloo]

And that was all I wanted to achieve - because you didn't seem to have any issue with it while I knew plenty people that did

[night girder]

how can you decide how severe it is?

[dire igloo]

You still failed to provide reasoning for how one can be racist towards white people

Racist not just meaning treating someone differently because of it, but actually discriminating against them

[night girder]

I can copy paste wikipedia.

[dire igloo]

I can't. History can. Affected people can.

[night girder]

Racism isn't a white thing. Racism can happen between any culture. Just open a newspaper.

[dire igloo]

Me too.
"Racism is discrimination and prejudice against people based on their race or ethnicity."

[night girder]

where does it say white only?

YOU are the one who think only white people can be racist, afaik.

[dire igloo]

I'm not saying that only whites can be racist. Never did.
If you think I did, your reading comprehension really sucks.

I already stated the opposite.
ANYONE can be racist. But you can't be racist towards white people.

[night girder]

"You still failed to provide reasoning for how one can be racist towards white people."

[jagged snow]

That statement subverts the definition of racism

[dire igloo]

Because racism has an inherent mismatch of power.
And white people are almost never the weaker part

[night girder]

That just made it sound like that.

[dire igloo]

The fuck I don't

Your reading comprehension must be dogshit

I clarified that earlier

[jagged snow]

That is not what racism means. Racism is just prejudice against an individual or group based on skin color or racial heritage. There is no implicit balance of power.

[dire igloo]

Prejudice is one part. That one can be fulfilled - tho the most common negative prejudice against white people stems from white people acting racist throughout history and/or benefitting from racist structures.

The more important part is discrimination

[jagged snow]

Discrimination against whites already exists though...

Not to the extent that it does for other skin colors, but it's there 🤷‍♂️

[dire igloo]

Fucking hell, you even reacted to the message

[dire igloo]

In what form?

[night girder]

My reading comprehension really sucks.

I did link you a wiki screenshot of how white africans are being raped and murdered for being white.

[dire igloo]

Tell me, how does that say "only whites can be racist"?

[night girder]

No, but it seemed to imply it.

[jagged snow]

There are plenty of countries around the world where whites are in the minority and are actively mistreated because of their skin color. In the US, whites are denied many opportunities because they're in the majority

[dire igloo]

Actor → victim

I said "how can white people be the victim", you made it "there can be no actor besides white people"

[night girder]

just hard for me to speak about these subjects when someone doesn't even know how much racism there is against white people.

[jagged snow]

I actually think I'm just going to leave this convo before the mods get involved...

[sharp oasis]

Racism= racism wether it's black white or any other colour you can be racist if your anyone to anyone. It doesn't only apply to one group. Done. Best solution

[dire igloo]

As in: there are opportunities being held open for people that are a minority?

Yes, I do think some colleges go to far in denying white people

But if you said "base it off of their grades or a standardized test" you neglect an entire school system that has been and still is heavily influenced by racism

[jagged snow]

I'm so tired of hearing that line

But we should move to a pm group

[sharp oasis]

Agreed

Before the mods kill us all

[dire igloo]

I'll admit one thing:
You CAN be racist towards white people. It's just very rare and much harder to do

[sharp oasis]

It's not exactly harder in a sence it's rarer tho

[jagged snow]

I really don't want to go the way of Kad

[night girder]

Depends on where you live. Like I said, a couple of friends from south africa told me some stories that opened my eyes.

but go find that truth for yourself. Or not. No point in my saying it. I learned it by just listening to stories. Might be lies. Might not be.

[sharp oasis]

It all depends. On where you arr

Are

[dire igloo]

Majority of the world is heavily influenced by white colonialism and controlled by a majority white West.
So it being rare does make it harder - and it being harder does make it rare.

[dire igloo]

White friends or black friends?
Resistance against oppression?

Remember: Apartheid was a racist system implemented by a minority of white people to stay in control while pushing down on the majority of black people

And it worked until the majority figured out that they were the majority and how they could leverage that

[night girder]

and the backlash from Apartheid was reversed.

[night girder]

What happened to Kade btw? Or who is Kad

[jagged snow]

I'm assuming kade is just busy with school

Kad is/was by far the most knowledgeable person on the dedicated servers and got nuked for... vehemently expressing some political ideas in here a while ago

Funnily enough, his convo was in part with Kade

[night girder]

Oof. Will it's hard to get out of these conversations sometimes.

[jagged snow]

#off-topic-tech message

Almost exactly a year ago now and there's still nobody with the knowledge to replace him

[charred pewter]

i went to lunch

what i miss

LOL

[jagged snow]

Nothing that important

[night girder]

👆

Almost an hour ago 😄

[charred pewter]

lol

[night girder]

Ooh, I remember that avatar. They knew A LOT.

[charred pewter]

gosh... yeah ... i should really try to finish some work today

[night girder]

That seems a bit extreme to nuke Kad. Maybe mute for a week or a month.

[sharp oasis]

Wait Kade is gon

[night girder]

No, Kad is

[sharp oasis]

Nooooo

[charred pewter]

is that why kads not been around???

[jagged snow]

Yeah, he'd written a couple scripts to probe the servers that I haven't had the time/motivation to replace yet

[sharp oasis]

Oh nvm

[night girder]

Shiiiit 😦

[jagged snow]

Yup

So without him there have been a ton more unsolved server problems

[sharp oasis]

They gave us tech talk. And we talk about racism. Lmfao

[dire igloo]

Never really interacted, I've met a bunch of very knowledgeable people who aren't let's just call it morally questionable

[jagged snow]

Went from 0 to around 25% of problems going unsolved

I don't really have the time to play support there and in #1038092680493801533 so...

[dire igloo]

This channel is one of the most civilized channels on the server - until it isn't

[sharp oasis]

Real

[night girder]

Haha, poor Baine. His message: "why am I waking up to a bunch of moderator tickets" on the 1st of january 😂

[jagged snow]

You totally interacted, you were the other one involved in the argument that got him banned

[dire igloo]

I meant interacted with their tech knowledge

[jagged snow]

Oh I see

[dire igloo]

So I can't speak for their level of expertise

[night girder]

I do my best to keep it civilized. Although I fail sometimes in that - But I am not perfect. But I try.

[jagged snow]

Yeah, iirc he was a senior network engineer or something similar, but he really knew his stuff

[sharp oasis]

Yeah seems all tech chats can be either really tame or extremely chaotic.

[dire igloo]

I'm surprised that I have not been banned anywhere

[night girder]

Tbh, we can't forget in the end we are humans. With emotions. I can be grumpy one day and happy the next. Sad to see somebody being banned for one mistake. Maybe they were hung over. Or still drunk. Or grumpy. Or in a bad mood.

[sharp oasis]

I have been banned several times from other servers. (I shitpost a Lil too hard occasionally and yeah get banned lmao)

I try to keep my sillyness suppressed here

Out of respect

[charred pewter]

ive only been banned once ... "for racism" as they call it, in response to me asking for english subtitles because i dont understand russian.

[night girder]

😒

[charred pewter]

yeah, so i responded by blacklisting all of HypeTrains games

[sharp oasis]

I was banned from the android discord for and I quote "L+Ratio+ don't like you"

[night girder]

I don't get it.

[charred pewter]

over my head

[night girder]

Is that an insult? Do I need to note it down to never say L+ratio?

[jagged snow]

I've been banned from one other server for botting giveaways(which I was not doing)

[sharp oasis]

The mods basically didn't care and decided to ban someone.

And I was that someone

[night girder]

Honestly. Words are starting to scare me 😄

[sharp oasis]

It's a garbage way of saying you lost.

Popularized I think mid 2021

[charred pewter]

LEEEHOOOOOOSER

[night girder]

Oof. I need to keep up.

[sharp oasis]

Don't even try

[night girder]

I wonder if there is a course on "what not to say in 2024".

[charred pewter]

hmm wheres the Ace ventura one ...

[sharp oasis]

Bc Gen alpha is taking over I'm starting to lose touch with what people say

[charred pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-ventura-jim-carey-lawhozaher-loser-gif-7210443

[sharp oasis]

Skibiti, gyatt, rizzler. I know what they mean. But why are these common lingo for Gen alpha

It actually makes me feel insane

[jagged snow]

Actually, one sec
I have a really funny screenshot

[charred pewter]

i feel ignorant when i use certain 'common terms' these days

[sharp oasis]

And Gen alpha is already calling Gen z zoomers ( we are becoming the boomers to the new Gen lmfao.)

[charred pewter]

is that where zoomers came from? i thought they got sick of saying boomers so they were trying to spice it up even more ... like some sort of insult or somethin

[sharp oasis]

Humanity is doomed. God is dead and we have killed him. (joking)

[sharp oasis]

Zoomers refers to Gen z and our dumb shite

[charred pewter]

boomer = rational, sane, intelligent individual who has more sense than the entire current generation ... so when someone calls me a boomer, I thank them for the kind words.

[jagged snow]

There was a giveaway on the server, and I happened to have that channel set to all notifications so I claimed it right away. One of the other winners dm'd me asking about it so I sent an appeal to the mods asking about it and this is what they sent me

[charred pewter]

i honestly hate Dyno

[sharp oasis]

I'm genuinely fearful of Gen beta.

[charred pewter]

dont you mean "Gen Reboot" ?

[sharp oasis]

Dyno can go fuck itself.

God I hate dyno

[jagged snow]

My guess is that the giveaway was set to appear and end at the same time and discord lagged so that I was able to claim it... but the mods never acknowledged my messages after that

[jagged snow]

That message was from a mod on a powertrip though 😭

[sharp oasis]

Yep

[jagged snow]

That server was/is pretty cool though

[sharp oasis]

I mean there will allways be corrupt people

[jagged snow]

They did live price tracking and stock alerts for gpus during the chip shortage

[sharp oasis]

I was in some LGBTQ server just exploring for fun and was banned bc I'm a cis white male.

Lmao

[charred pewter]

btw, anyone catch the irony in the name of the current steam sale?

[sharp oasis]

Like not doing anything harmful. Just talking.

Got asked. Awnsered truthfully

[night girder]

yes I did.

[sharp oasis]

Was banned

[night girder]

Also: steam winter sales ended the 7th right?

and a few days later they have a new sale called "Capitalism" ... a bit on the nose.

[narrow folio]

after the Steam sale is before the steam sale

[night girder]

Maybe the winter sales didn't get the expected result If this is the case, I hope they get into a sale limbo.

[narrow folio]

no real reason to buy full price anymore, just wait for the next sale.... except you really neeed it nooow or you want to support for the developer

[night girder]

That's what I do. I bought BG3 for the full price though.

[narrow folio]

BG3 is on my 'when I have time list'

[night girder]

it's on my bucket list too. Not sure if I will ever finish that game. So much to do and explore and ... yeah.

[narrow folio]

1+2 were great games and I like the world a lot

[night girder]

If you are a fan of the previous games, I think you will like this one.

Does anyone know how it works when steam have sales? What are the % for steam and developers? Does steam still take 30% even if an item is on sale?

[narrow folio]

I watched some character generations and gameplay, seems like all those awards are earned

[night girder]

So, 30 euro (-50%) discount. Does this mean steam takes 10 euro and the 20 goes to developers? After tax reduction? Or does steam take a smaller % of items that are on sale.

because else the proffit for developers shrink even more.

[night girder]

The studio behind it always dreamed of making a BG game. It's their literal passion 🙂

and I notice it in all the small details and references.

[narrow folio]

I heard (no real source) that steam decides when a game goes on sale and the % stays the same

[night girder]

Shit. That's ... pretty bad.

Someone in here coined that steam takes 30%. Not looked it up myself. Let me fact check.

[twin dew]

That is the base rate.

[night girder]

wdym?

[jagged snow]

Sometimes they cut deals to give bigger games a better deal

[night girder]

Oh, interesting. So fucking over small indie studios even more

it should be reversed.

give smaller games/studio better deals. And get the money at the big studios. Maybe that will wake them up to have better QA and release finished products.

[narrow folio]

www.quora.com/Do-game-developers-lose-money-during-Steam-sales-or-do-they-make-the-same-amount-per-copy

[night girder]

I do read that 30% is also the standard for Epic Game Store

[jagged snow]

No

They take 12%

But they also aren't profitable

[night girder]

We reached out to nearly half a dozen sources within the games industry (as well as the game retailers directly) in order to get the actual numbers on what cuts most major retailers take. While many of these sources prefer to remain anonymous, they paint a picture that could be surprising to some players, one where Valve’s now infamous 30% cut isn’t actually out of the norm. In fact, it's pretty much the industry standard.

[twin dew]

Yes, 30% is what Google and Apple etc. use.

[narrow folio]

Is Epic still losing money like crazy with their game launcher?

[twin dew]

Epic is the one outlier.

[night girder]

Yeah, just looked it up. It's 12%/88%.

[jagged snow]

Microsoft store is also in the 12-15% range iirc

[night girder]

Ok... where is the catch?

Do you need to buy a special certificate for a few thousand dollars before you are allowed to upload to the Microsoft store or something?

Epic store is a logical and rational decision. To become competitive, the 12% helps. But Microsoft. That's fishy.

[twin dew]

Because they had major problems getting people to sell stuff in the MS Store.

[night girder]

Weird, I though App Store, Google Store and MS Store were all equal popular.

[twin dew]

Apple store is the only one you can use.
Almost the same with Google Store.
MS Store on Windows is bastard not many want.

[night girder]

ok, that puts it in perspective

[charred pewter]

getting a game posted on Apple's store is like the spanish inquisition with their gating

[dire igloo]

Tax the rich?

[charred pewter]

we have rates all over depending on negotiations

standard is 70/30, but we've got some on 85%

and some we basically only make 10 cents a sale on, no matter how expensive the game is =p ... we dont like those so much, but eh, its still business

[dire igloo]

Let's also not forget that dev work for apple hardware is also pretty exhausting

[jagged snow]

What kind of volume do you move?

[charred pewter]

moderate... i wouldnt say a LOT ...

the casual games make us more money ... but the steam games can sell in buttloads at times (depends on the discount)

and honestly, no one comes to buy Epic keys ...

we post those products, and we tell the publishers they wont sell, but, oh well LOL

[dire igloo]

Btw. Who's "we"?

[charred pewter]

Ubisoft is "in transition" ... all their products have been taken down because they are changing systems for their Direct Activation stuff

Mac/Win Game Store

wingamestore ... to the windows people... only casual mac gamers know of macgamestore

anyways, depending on royalty rates, and availability ... sometimes they make more per sale by selling their 'steam key' through a legit 3rd party merchant, than they would have gotten on steam itself if their steam rate is the standard 70/30

same for like fanatical, greenman, gamergate etc

its kinda fucked up that steam allows that lol but, it is what it is

(steam really should just do away with the steam keys bit, and go straight direct activation for authorized retailer/publishers .... it would 100% kill that graymarket)

[visual tree]

At least there is someone who recognizes my hard work 😅

Not sure what he meant by "cloudification of core network functions to the new unprecedented levels" though lol

[charred pewter]

thats a mouthful

[night girder]

sounds like CEO talk

[visual tree]

He is only one step away from becoming a CEO so I wouldn't be surprised about the CEO talk lol

[night girder]

I mostly love this 😄

[visual tree]

That's my part

[night girder]

getting funds from EU?

[visual tree]

Helping with the existing EU-funded projects and applying for new EU funds

[night girder]

Hats off.

[visual tree]

Well, I am only a part of it. There are at least 10 people who are working on the funding application right now

[charred pewter]

EU funding 😦

[night girder]

doesn't surprise me. red tape 😄

[visual tree]

My superior would die from overwork if he didn't hire me lol

There were days when he was working until 02:00 in the morning 💀

I never worked that late so far 😅

[night girder]

I've seen that happen too. Also to get funding from goverment.

It can be a lot of work. Depending on what data is required for the application etc.

[visual tree]

Meanwhile, I am still waiting for fiber deployment in the rest of my city so I can finally get fast internet and dowload every possible game on steam

[night girder]

and mistakes can result into not getting any funding.

[night girder]

We are in a bad position. Two big ISP dominate the market. We have one of the most expensive subscriptions for internet (most expensive in the region, so Germany, Netherlands, France, ...) and fiber is still miles away. I wonder where all the money went that we paid for our subscriptions.

but Fiber sounds like a far away dream for me 😦

[visual tree]

Good thing is you get a chance to fix the mistakes if they are minor when applying for funds which is often the case. If you make big mistakes in the application, you are basically screwed

[night girder]

yup.

[visual tree]

It's funny how we don't like customer support and tech support even though we are working in the same company.

Tech support people are not really tech-savvy. They just read a manual and offer support to customers

They sometimes literally behave like robots imo

[night girder]

can you blame them? Hearing the same question over and over again will turn you into a robot.

[jagged snow]

It's such a low paid position that anyone with real knowledge will probably be somewhere else anyways

[night girder]

Costumer: "Help, I cannot log in" - Support: "Did you update your app?"

I mean, those are 101 basic things to ask before diving deeper.

[jagged snow]

I had to deal with an IT team that hadn't heard of 2fa a few years ago

[visual tree]

Worked in college IT department. It was only for a year but at least I didn't turn into a robot lol

But I had enough of computer-illiterate people and quit

[night girder]

Haha, but you do agree. You need some sort of plan to get to the bottom of the problem.

and mostly that's by asking some generic questions to rule out the most obvious culprits when something goes wrong.

[visual tree]

College teacher: My printer is not working

Me: you forgot to turn it on....

[night girder]

like turning a device on/off etc 🙂

[night girder]

a buddy of mine once had to go to a classroom to help a teacher who was trying to jam a HDMI cable into a USB C port or something 😂

[visual tree]

There was an employee who had 40 tabs opened in a browser (including some other software in the background) and complained her laptop is slow....

[night girder]

He was tech support of that school 😄

[visual tree]

I don't know how people can work with so many tabs opened

I would go insane

[night girder]

All this can be solved by making technology part of the curriculum @ school.

[jagged snow]

I have 11 tabs in two windows

[visual tree]

lol

[night girder]

The problem will solve itself. The new generations should be way more familiar with tech.

[jagged snow]

That's not at all what I've experienced

[night girder]

And the older generations will fizzle out.

[night girder]

That's why I said "should" 😉 Education is pretty important I believe. Also about computers. Security etc.

[visual tree]

I recently noticed teens don't know how to use google properly and that's because nobody told them how to use it

Because everyone assume young generation grew up with technology and they already know everything

[night girder]

I am trying to teach my niece the following: if something is "free" on the internet, like a game that normally costs 60 dollars, that it's fishy. And she shouldn't download it. She is 14 now. The sooner they learn the better. And keep stuff updated. Don't use the same password etc etc.

I am probably a nagging uncle, but I don't care. I can only try to convince them of the importance that I am trying to teach. And else they will find out sooner or later the hard way.

[jagged snow]

@night girder I thought this was pretty interesting https://www.theverge.com/22684730/students-file-folder-directory-structure-education-gen-z

[night girder]

Let me give that a watch.

[visual tree]

That's why an education about computers should be mandatory. Just because gen Z grew up with technology doesn't mean they instantly absorbed all the knowledge and know how to use the tech

[night girder]

Ok, I think I am lucky. I was thaught all that at school from a young age, when I was about 6 I had my first class on computers I think.

[visual tree]

*or education about tech in general

[night girder]

It was mostly playing games, but still, fun to learn as a kid how a computer works by playing games 😛

And with games, it was math games. language games. And at the last 15 minuts, a real game. Like a kids game. Loved that class.

[visual tree]

I remember the good old days of Windows 95 or 98 when I was in 5th year in elementary school

[night girder]

I still have the floppy disks of those games btw!

[visual tree]

They were teaching us QBasic but I sucked at it lol

[jagged snow]

I've been almost entirely self-taught my computer knowledge, didn't have access to home internet or a pc until I was around 14

[night girder]

but crazy to think that younger generation doesn't know how a computer works. Like how it stores stuff. And where to find it.

Howard brainwashed a whole generation: "it just works"

[night girder]

Also impressive.

I got the basic "How to use a PC" from school. All the rest. I learned myself too. Coding, hardware, ...

and the noise the first internet made was insane (the modems with dialup, or however you call it in english).

[visual tree]

We should discipline naughty gen Z children by forcing them to use dial-up internet connection

[night girder]

Enjoy Tik-Tok now Wait 5 minutes to see one 30 second clip.

[visual tree]

My sister and I were always fighting about the internet because you couldn't use the internet on a dial-up connection when someone is on the phone

And my sister was constantly on the phone lol

[night girder]

Others, meanwhile, believe it’s professors who need to adjust their thinking. Working with befuddled students has convinced Garland that the “laundry basket” may be a superior model. She’s begun to see the limitations of directory structure in her personal life; she uses her computer’s search function to find her schedules and documents when she’s lost them in her stack of directories. “I’m like, huh ... I don’t even need these subfolders,” she says.

This is interesting. Is the directory system outdated. And should we see a PC as one big bin. And use the search function to find everything.

But what if I don't know the name of the file I am looking for? For example a picture.

[jagged snow]

Exactly the problem

[night girder]

I know it was a picture of a house with a tree, but I don't know the name. Now think that it's all in 1 directory. It's going to be a nightmare to find it.

If that picture is in a "picture" folder, it narrows it down.

We do have programs that can recognize the subject of pictures and automatically name/label them. So that could be a solution to this specific problem.

but what about videos or different json/xml files or anything. Not so sure I am a big fan of the "one bin concept and use search".

[jagged snow]

My bulk pictures folder from the last month

[night girder]

But you are a photographer 😄

still, damn 😄 So happy I no longer do photography. I would had to upgrade my NAS already probably.

[jagged snow]

And that's from a camera that shoots relatively low resolution

[night girder]

My problem was: always too lazy to delete the bad pictures. I just went for the good ones, edited them and moved on.

[jagged snow]

I've been looking to upgrade to something that shoots at >50mp... that's 50mb per shot when shooting in losless compressed at 14-bit

So if a typical shoot is 500 pictures, that's 25gb right there...

[night girder]

Do you need that? How big do you print?

[jagged snow]

It's a nice-to-have, I'm planning to invest in lenses before then

[jagged snow]

I'm looking to start selling some bigger stuff
right now my prints are usually 18x24

But I'm really just barely getting started on turning it from a hobby to something profitable

[night girder]

I do believe, that having a high quality camera is a good thing. But at some point, if you never print really big, the return of investment isn't that great.

[jagged snow]

Oh it's absolutely not

It'd be something I bought because I wanted it, not because I needed it

[night girder]

Exactly. I did the same and eventually I never printed really big. But it did make photoshop easier to have high pixel density.

[jagged snow]

The lenses are more of a necessary upgrade because I want to transition into shooting sports more and I do need a longer tele zoom for that

[night girder]

the competition in my country is too high to be a professional photographer. There are too many of them.

[night girder]

with image stabilization 😄

[jagged snow]

yes

Although it doesn't make nearly as much of a difference if I'm already shooting at 1/2k

[night girder]

So jealous 😄

[jagged snow]

But the lens I'm eyeing has the capability to shoot 1/10handheld at 500mm with no visible loss of sharpness

[night girder]

If I would started again with taking photo's. It would be music and outside, just street photography and nature.

[jagged snow]

I love nature photography

[night girder]

Once I estabilished that "photography mindset" and I am walking outside looking around, a lot of times I think, shit that would have been a good photo.

I haven't taken any pictures for a long time and still I am think that.

I do use my phone sometimes but it's not the same. Altough I once saw a beautifull expo from a war in the middle-east. And it was all shots taken by an american soldier with his iphone. It was really really well shot.

[jagged snow]

I took this on monday for a new winter-themed phone wallpaper

[night girder]

Iphone picture of lake nearby.

Or some crazy lightning in the clouds.

Moments like that I whished I had my canon with me.

[jagged snow]

Oh yeah those are some cool moments

[night girder]

what lens are you planning to buy?

[edgy hazel]

libgtk-3.so.0: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
the wrong elf class oh no

https://tenor.com/view/elf-practice-gif-10524685

[jagged snow]

Nikkor 200-500vr

[night girder]

looks like a nice one

[jagged snow]

Yeah, It's optically very good. It's a little pricey though

But in terms of performance, it has no real downsides

You can get a faster lens with narrower/fixed zoom or you can get a longer lens at a slower aperture

But for my uses it more or less ticks all the boxes

The autofocus is also one of teh better systems avaliable in that price range

And if I for some reason needed it, it'll still autofocus and meter correctly with a 1.4x teleconverter

[night girder]

only "drawback" that I read about is the weight

[jagged snow]

Yeah, it's over 2kg

But I'd be shooting with a monopod for sports so that wouldn't be an issue

If I were planning to do a lot of birding with it then it'd be much more of a consideration

[night girder]

what I would do too

[jagged snow]

Yeah
And even then, it wouldn't be the end of the world
High-quality zooms in that focal lengths really don't get any lighter

There's a 600mm prime that's almost half the weight but I don't have the use case for tele primes beyond 105mm

[night girder]

Sounds like a niche lens. Good for specific cases.

but 600mm prime sounds like hell 😂

[jagged snow]

It's f/4 at 600 though 👀

[night girder]

Oof.

[jagged snow]

It's massively out of my price range anyways

And at those really long focal lengths, it takes a lot of walking to zoom in or out just a little 😅

[night girder]

That is one chill bird.

But 600mm does look beautiful.

[jagged snow]

Yup
That's a 3.4 degree fov for a full-frame camera

[night girder]

This one is taken with canon 600mm IS f4L

[jagged snow]

That's a beautiful shot

[night girder]

and lucky, since it's a prime

or, maybe very patient and waited for correct moment. I cannot rule either one out.

[jagged snow]

It probably took a lot of patience
This should was taken at 300mm, would've been cool to have something a little tighter

[night girder]

but still, a photo like that would be easier to frame without a prime.

[jagged snow]

Oh absolutely

I only use primes for people and stationary objects

[night girder]

Indeed. Nice picture though.

such an expensive hobby 😦 (gaming is nothing compared to it)

[jagged snow]

Yeah

[night girder]

not sure what you use, but how much is photoshop lately?

[dire igloo]

try FPV drone flying

Almost always comes with 3d printing as an accessory "hobby"

[night girder]

26,43 € / month for photoshop.

[jagged snow]

I actually just started paying for photoshop & lightroom again, it's 119.88/yr for both of them

I'm fairly tempted to just pirate the same version I have now and make my own perpetual liscense though

I was playing around with the generative fill in photoshop and got some interesting results though

[charred pewter]

i miss the days of just buying software, and you ran it

now all my psd files are held hostage to a ransomware subscription

[jagged snow]

Me too
If windows transitions to a subscription, that will absolutely be the last straw for me

[charred pewter]

this whole 'subscription model' craze is going to come to a crashing halt at some point

[night girder]

oof, and if you print photos that's paper + printing cost.

[jagged snow]

Unfortunately, I don't know if it really will
Just look at what's happening with vmware

They're pursuing subscriptions even more aggresively than adobe

[charred pewter]

you know whats kinda silly ... we actually built a full subscription model into our casual mac games side of things .... but we never activated it because well ... we all hate subscriptions and just couldnt do that to our customers LOL

[jagged snow]

I've started doing metal prints lately and had some good results, they're even more pricey though

[night girder]

I've never done that I believe

[jagged snow]

An 18x24 will run around $100

[charred pewter]

we developed it due to prior ownership wanted it... but never followed through so we couldnt actually 'turn it on'.

now that we have the control to finally turn it on, we are like "ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh....."

[jagged snow]

I had this photo done on metal

[charred pewter]

plus we have to rebrand it all anyways, as it was all originally called GamePass in the system, and xbox took that now lol

[jagged snow]

Oh yeah, good thing you didn't then 😛

[charred pewter]

?!?!?!??!?!??!?!??! really !!!! ..............

🤦

yeah, if we DID manage to launch before xbox gamepass was a thing, then THEY would have had to rebrand LOL!

[night girder]

Dope photo.

[charred pewter]

i mean on all honesty, we had it all done before xbox had theirs announced. kinda sad

[jagged snow]

This is a much better special promotion 😉

[charred pewter]

but anyhooooo .... subscriptions for everything !!! FFFFF

[charred pewter]

indeed

wait that looks familiar

[jagged snow]

I wonder why

[jagged snow]

Thanks

[charred pewter]

lol, im overworked ... lol

[night girder]

For some reason, it makes me think of a flower

[charred pewter]

i was thinking of a dandylion

[jagged snow]

I have some good flower pictures too
I'm just trying not to doxx myself with photos that people can reverse image search

[charred pewter]

i've floated on many of those in Grounded 😄

[night girder]

www.theverge.com/2024/1/11/24034705/discord-layoffs-17-percent-employees 👀

It is incredibly important to me that we support departing team members through this difficult time and provide them with a sizable runway as they transition into future employment. To that end, we are offering them:

• Five months of salary (plus an additional week for every full year at Discord)
• Five months of benefit continuation
• Three months of outplacement services
• Equity vesting of awards scheduled to vest on Feb. 1, 2024
• Continued access to Modern Health through the end of 2024, and more

[jagged snow]

Oh wow, that's the nicest termination package i've seen from a big tech layoff

[narrow folio]

nice farewell package 📦

[pure karma]

seems like quite a good reward

anything is better than nothing really

[sharp oasis]

speed\

still garbage compared to a 6700XT

but Thats the absolute MAX oc it will run at some level of stability

+1550Mhz Vram clock, +220Mhz Gpu clock +100% voltage 106% power limits

Sheesh

For a 1660s to do beyond 2ghz stable

[sharp oasis]

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/xfx-speedster-merc-319-rx-6950-xt-black.b10400

i want one of these so bad lol

[languid gulch]

$600 on newegg

which i'm honestly kinda surprised there's any left

[sharp oasis]

I prolly will have to get one

I just discovered blender simulations

And my gpu and cpu aren't up to larger scale simulations

Takes a few minutes to get it running at 25fps

Oh fuck. 100 things subdivided by a hundred

My cpu fuken diein

Oh

Rams full.

That makes sence.

Add another two sticks ig

It won't bee to unstable as I donr use xmp profiles

[twin dew]

ROI is too long, so doesn't happen with companies that only look at few years at max.
(Return on Investment, how long it takes before the invested money is paid back with increased revenue and profit)

For something like laying a fiber, it is usually 5-15 years.

So for that time the company is "worse off" than if it hadn't made the investment.

[sharp oasis]

I think I need more ram

[twin dew]

Not really worse off, but the pure numbers in the quarterly reports will look worse if you just look at the numbers, without trying to understand them.
But that affects the bonuses of the exec team, and the short term "investors".

[sharp oasis]

Running insane blender simulations seems to take up a boatload of memory and page file

I wonder if I add another 16gb can I handle 100x100 subdivisions

[twin dew]

If it uses swap at all, then you need more RAM.

[sharp oasis]

It uses swap like crazy.

[twin dew]

You need as much extra RAM as it is using swap.

[sharp oasis]

It was enough to fully saturate the swap file. And proceed to crash

So I might be needing an insane amount of ram to handle such a simulation

[twin dew]

How large is the page file set to be currently?
Default "automatic" is too slow to respond.

[sharp oasis]

Also when I did a subdivide by 100 and then by 25 vertices started kinda flying out to the left of the subdivided object. Is this a ram issue

[sharp oasis]

It's set to automatic

[twin dew]

Which doesn't work on fast changes like this.

[sharp oasis]

I might allocate 64gb of swapfike

[twin dew]

You need to set static size.

[sharp oasis]

That's a large enough size I suppose

Plus 48gb ram

Yeah I donr have 2 32gb kits I. And I know mixing kits is a bad idea.

I'll use fallback timings where the ram should both be stable

So slightly slower then JEDEC to handle both kits

Both of em are 16-20-20-36 primary but I assume the secondarys are different

[sharp oasis]

@twin dew 48gb of ddr4 and 128gb of swap file

That's should handle it

[sharp oasis]

It is holding

[edgy hazel]

I just killed production

[sharp oasis]

It's taking 42/48gb of ram is allocated to blender on its own. And another few gigs of swap file. (it has 128gb of swap file so I'm not worried)

[hardy forge]

Could someone suggest a decent 1080p Webcam?

[twin dew]

Logitech C920(S) Pro / C922(S) Pro? (S for physical cover flap models).

[hardy forge]

Hm

[twin dew]

But depends on usage, those have pretty wide FOV.

So if you are for Streaming, with separate mic etc. then not the right ones.
Great for meetings etc. without separate mic.

[hardy forge]

Idk, im gonna be trying fbt with stuff lol

[dire igloo]

C920/C920S is a good rec
If you're after something dirt cheap and super basic, C270

[twin dew]

Well, the C270 isn't 1080p.

[hardy forge]

For a 1080p camera 30fps still seems a tad mrh

Meh

[twin dew]

Then be ready to put even more money into it.
But then it depends what you want to use it for.

[dusk rivet]

i got some 1080p 60fps camera for online school and just use it for school assignments where i have to record myself

recently recorded a school assignment with obs cause i couldn’t get the school approved software to work

more than enough for assignments or as a webcam for streaming

[dire igloo]

Shit. You're right

Forgot about that

[dire igloo]

I'd rather have smooth 30fps than stuttery or compressed 60fps

Also, you can just use your phone.
For Android, there's DroidcamX

[hardy forge]

Droid cam no work for me anymore

[night girder]

support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/use-iphone-as-a-webcam-mchl77879b8a/mac (if Apple)

Note: To enable all Continuity Camera options, your Mac must have macOS 14 and your iPhone must have iOS 17.

All you gotta do is ducktape the iphone to the back of your macbook pro.

[night girder]

So I bump the FCLK. But not to 1900. We set it to 1733 (ran stable for weeks now), I just looked at the next predefined setting and that was 1750.

[twin dew]

1900 should be safe starting point as in that it will reliably boot.
And going from 1733 to 1900 would take ages.

So you set to 1900, and if that reboots, then go lower.

[night girder]

Shouldn't FLCK just be half the speed of my RAM speed? 😒

[twin dew]

2:3 is the "default"

[night girder]

but yoodley says otherwise 😉

[twin dew]

2000MHz FCLK for 3000MHz / 6000MT/s memory.

[twin dew]

That is for AM4.
And that is 1:1.

3600MT/s / 1800MHz RAM.

AM4 just sucked bad if the FCLK, UCLK and MCLK weren't all the same.
AM5 doesn't, as AMD improved the system, as 3000MHz IF wasn't possible to keep up with the DDR5 RAM.

There is sweet spot at 2:3, but that is so small that it only matters for one or two speed grades.
So with 6000MT/s RAM, 2000MHz FLCK is "optimum", 2033 will be slower, 2067 can be slower, 2100 would always be faster.

So for AM4, the FCLK must be 1:2 of the RAM MT/s (1:1 true frequency).
For AM5 the "optimum" is 1:3 of the RAM MT/s, but that is just momentary sweet spot (2:3 true frequency).

[night girder]

confusing to go from MT (memory) to MHz (for FLCK).

but thanks for the info.

My memory is currently set to DDR5-4800 (memory clock: 2395.7MHz) . Wouldn't that mean FLCK should be 1600MHz or 3200MHz 😒

[twin dew]

1600 for the 2:3 true, but as that is so low that 1667 would win over it in all cases.
And anything higher than that is better until you get unstable.

[night girder]

huh, 1600 is 1/3 of 4800 😒 2/3 would be 3200 😒

[twin dew]

4800/3 = 1600, 4800/2 = 2400, 2400*2/3 = 1600.

2:3 is on the true frequencies, the 4800 is the effective, which is double the true.
4800MT/s, 2400MHz.

[night girder]

I though it had to be 2/3 of 4800 haha (3200)

[twin dew]

1:3 from MT/s, 2:3 from true MHz.

[night girder]

ooooh 2:3. Got it. My bad. So bad at maths.

Thanks.

[twin dew]

WTF is going on?
Should be in steps of 33.3... MHz.

For FCLK.

[night girder]

I was about to ask.

I cannot enter manual values it seems.

It's bumping nice for 1600 to 1800.

And then it goes from 1800 straight to 2000 🤣

[twin dew]

50 and 60 shouldn't be even possible.
As it should be via 1/3rd divisor from 100MHz base clock...

[night girder]

As(s)rock

I guess I can set it to 1800MHz.

[twin dew]

Yes.

Are you on the 2.02 BIOS?
Or 2.00?

[night girder]

2.02

[twin dew]

2.03 is starting to be rolled out by Asrock, but only the B650 Taichi so far.

[night girder]

doubt that will solve the issue. Still nice.

I am confused why they added these bump settings, but go straight from 1800MHz to 2000MHz.

[twin dew]

I have no idea what is going on.
Because as far as I know, those divisors aren't possible.

[night girder]

I could contact support.

[dire igloo]

Another ASRock jumpscare

[night girder]

@twin dew Just had a crash with 1750MHz. So back to 1733MHz.

[twin dew]

Did you check what HWiNFO showed as the IF frequency while on that 1750?

[night girder]

No, I assumed +- 1750MHz 😉

[twin dew]

I would be very interested to see what it says, as that 1750 shouldn't be possible.

[night girder]

For you. I will check.

[twin dew]

Ok... No idea what they are doing to make that happen...

[night girder]

So I guess I cannot go higher than 1733MHz.

[twin dew]

Try the 1800?
As the 1750 is just WEIRD.

And 1800 is one of the standard ones.

[night girder]

I am a bit confused at the event viewer at the moment, it says my PC didn't shut down properly around 14:00 +-. But I can't remember it crashing then 🤔

maybe it happened during a reboot. Huh ...

Green is what just happened. No idea about the yellow line.

I wonder if eventlogger also logs when windows is restarting.

restart [black screen] -> crash [also black screen, so I wouldn't notice, beside maybe taking longer] -> boot. But it would surprise me that windows logs this at this point.

[charred pewter]

this is really actually helpful when working on/in/under a car i found .... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B429DDR9 .... who knew something simple as "magnet on arm be helpful"

now...... i dont think it would be wise to use with working on my PC 😦

[night girder]

Pff, and we are back at square 1.

crashing at 1733 FLCK. The one we thought was stable.

[twin dew]

So I would say your CPU is almost dead?

[night girder]

why would you say that.

I can play BG3 for days on end. Maybe we got it wrong 😒

[twin dew]

If the stable FCLK has gone down so much.
And soon it will not be stable at "stock".

[night girder]

all I did was switch from 1733MHz to 1750MHz. Back to 1733MHz and it just crashed.

The second thing I did yesterday, was reenable G-Sync on my monitor.

[twin dew]

If this isn't some really weird MB BIOS issue.

[night girder]

I enable G-sync because I though it was the FLCK setting and we were good.

[night girder]

it's doing my head in 😦

stable for 20 days+

[twin dew]

I would suggest contacting the place you bought the CPU and/or MB from.
Because this could be VSOC dying CPU.

[night girder]

Anyway to know for sure?

or is the only thing we can do now, replace CPU and see how it goes? 😒

[twin dew]

Not really, but if the stable FCLK has been going down over time, sounds like it.

[night girder]

I am just thinking: maybe it wasn't the FCLK and I just got lucky for a long period. I did mostly play BG3 and not GW2.

[twin dew]

Remember that when we first started tuning it, you didn't boot at BIOS defaults (2000MHz FCLK) for a time.

If you reset the MB to defaults, you probably wouldn't boot anymore.

[night girder]

I never had problems booting 😒 At one point, but I think that was something else.

that's when i switched my RAM units to see if that was the cause.

[twin dew]

When you cleared the CMOS?

[night girder]

Yes!

That's when I swapped RAM units and something didn't go properly.

[twin dew]

Ok.

[night girder]

Do these values need to be auto too?

[twin dew]

Seem to be what the defaults are IIRC.

[twin dew]

From AMDs Sampson Jackson:

It's not directly connected to 1:1 / 1:2 mode, but rather the memory frequency; I think that's what you were saying. The automatic behavior/rule is - [ IF DDR5 >6000MT/s THEN RX=2; TX=3; CTRL=1, ELSE RX=1; TX=2; CTRL=0 ].

Lower is tighter.

[night girder]

No clue honestly.

[twin dew]

Meant that the settings you had for the Nitro were the ones for MORE than 6000MT/s RAM speeds when on auto.

And would be 1, 2, 0 by default on 6000MT/s and lower.

[night girder]

So they are wrong?

[charred pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-the-office-steve-carell-explain-like-im-five-eli5-gif-5356727

im totally lost

[twin dew]

Just looser than default, so more stable but higher latency.

[night girder]

Doubt that's it. I mean, doesn't sound like somethign that would silent crash my PC.

[languid gulch]

k, got a weird one for y'all

i accidentally knocked my external on the ground from about 10cm up. onto carpet, so a soft landing. it then brain farted & refused to read until i unplugged/plugged it back in

seems like everything's fine after running a few tests, but why would it brain fart like that?

[night girder]

Also, if I contact them. What do I tell them? My PC crashed when I play GW2 and I think it's the CPU or the Motherboard. Can I have two replacements 😒

I mean, I don't have much data besides it randomly crashes with GW2.

[twin dew]

Ah, still only GW2? And not in anything else?

[night girder]

I played BG3 for days and days. The last crash was from 21/12/2023. It only started today when I switched the FLCK. But now it was on default (1733MHz) and it also crashed which made me worry. Maybe it was a one time thing, but I think it's not. We'll see.

[night girder]

Back when it was on 2000 FLCK, it did crash on the desktop once when I was downloading BG3 on steam.

[jagged snow]

Could be that the head got bumped hard enough to go into the self-protect mode and didn't reset untill you power-cycled it

[languid gulch]

ah that'd make sense

just seemed like a tiny bump

[charred pewter]

one with moving parts still?

the only moving parts left with all my stuff ... is some fans. lol

[twin dew]

Unstable FCLK would crash in any RAM or IO load.

[night girder]

I did memtest86 a while back and it had no issues.

I was downloading a windows update in the background when it crashed @ 1733MHz.

[twin dew]

Crash? Or just reboot?

[night girder]

100% crash because it's in my logs.

18:31 -> was the crash + update.

[twin dew]

I mean crash as in getting BSOD or like.
With reboot meaning the computer just rebooted without warning to OS.

[night girder]

hard crash. black screen.

never had BSOD

[languid gulch]

yea, it's an 8tb chunky boi

still mildly tempted to crack the case & install it in my pc

but i think i'm officially done buying spinning rust now

[twin dew]

So still HW type.
And if there aren't any WHEA errors, then only thing I can think of is FCLK/IF.

[night girder]

And if 1733MHz is starting to crash. Dying CPU/Mobo?