off-topic-tech

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okay so i need to look usd ebay and ship it here xD maybe

[stray badger]

Maybe

Biggest dnd flex: army of miniatures

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HP EliteBook 845 G8 Ryzen 5 PRO 5650U 2.30GHZ 16GB 256GB SSD 14"FHD

$431 canadian plus $60 in shipping.. thats better eh

[night girder]

Does it have to be a laptop? What are you going to use it for? Gaming? Business? School?

[stray badger]

They need portable

[stray badger]

Thats pretty good

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oh there is ryzen 7 i see. for a bit more. less i find a cheap one

[stray badger]

And the nice thing is, if 256gb isnt enough it is ridiculously easy to upgrade

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i have a pc with 2tb and i use under half of it in 6 years. i keep organized lol

i just want for more travel and like relax on the couch. but not feel like a downgrade. if anyrthing feel more powerfull

[stray badger]

The elitebook has enough CPU for me to do programming and even some blender work

GPU... not so much, but half life 2 and stalker run fine

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when i purchased this pc for 800 canadian. a laptop with the specs im looking at now was over 2gs easy

[night girder]

If it's a gaming laptop you going to buy, and if you want to relax on the couch, just know, it can get hot 🔥

Even when you just stream Netflix.

[stray badger]

Elitebook is not gaming

[night girder]

That's why I said "if"

[stray badger]

True, i kind of regret getting my gaming laptop. A desktop and my elitebook would have been much better

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lol i am very aware of this. my sister always had laptops going through college and id always use them to play minecraft ;] gets too hot on the peenie man

[night girder]

Exactly 😄 And it doesn't mean it's bad to buy it. Just know the pro's and cons 😄

[sharp oasis]

6gb vram is barely enough for WT lmao

[stray badger]

And thats my experience only 2 years after buying brand new gaming laptop

[sharp oasis]

prolly explains my famerate issues on larger maps

[jagged snow]

@stray badger friend that plays DnD has a cool set

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HP EliteBook 845 G8 Notebook 14" FHD LCD Ryzen 7 Pro 5850U 16GB 256GB W11P WRNTY

this is the best ryzen 7 right now and its 600 plus 60 shipping. nearing 700 bucks again. slightly over my price i wanted to spend

you thtink 5 vs 7 is huge??

like .. i feel ill still be getting an upgrade compared to my pc now tbh. i gotta do more research myself though

also .. these elite books are i5.

the zbook is i7

[edgy hazel]

I hope? but I don't really care tbh. It's just about having some rn

[stray badger]

The ryzen 5 destroys that i7

[stray badger]

If the price difference is big, the 5 is fine. 6 vs 8 cores for non intensive use doesnt really matter

[dire igloo]

Those names give you a rough estimate of performance within a given generation.
It can't be compared across generations and especially not across completely different manufacturers

If you want to know how different the performance actually is, you'll have to look at benchmarks

[edgy hazel]

a 13th gen i3 will absolutely stomp a 1st gen i7

[hidden badge]

im learning im learning. thanks for all the help guys xD

waching some comparisons and the ryzen 5 stuff looks way nicer then any intel at all lol

i think ive been on intel my whole life

[edgy hazel]

come team red >:)

we have cookies

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what kind of cookies ?

[dire igloo]

Red ones

[edgy hazel]

velvet

[dire igloo]

Baked with the blood of Intel and Nvidia fanboys (as a replacement for egg cuz we're vegan)

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how deep is the rabbit hole ?

[dire igloo]

Yes

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okay okay okay new plan
get the best red team laptop i can afford ;]

HP ProBook 445 (G9) 1920x1080 14"Laptop Ryzen 5-5625U 2.3GHz 512GB SSD 16GB RAM

this ?

good condition. no charging cable. no operating system.

i think ican deal with that its a wild price ..

[jagged snow]

I might be driving a xiaomi within a few decades https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/12/chinese-smartphone-company-says-it-wants-to-build-a-porsche-challenger/

[edgy hazel]

chinese electric vehicles

[jagged snow]

Yeah
The only way I even allowed myself to but a chineese phone was putting a custom rom on it

BTW, how have you liked lineage so far?

[edgy hazel]

it runs great

[jagged snow]

Nice
I picked up a oneplus 9, should be here tomorrow

[edgy hazel]

ofc a little bug here and there but it runs very well so far

just make sure you flash the normal gapps and not the androidTV gapps

[jagged snow]

👍

[edgy hazel]

(they're right below each other with no seperation)

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its so easy these days to find laptops with sim slots that is so nice..

added to my list of things now xD

[jagged snow]

Good to know

I'm going to get everything I can from f-droid, but I'll still need gapps

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is this good ? xD

[jagged snow]

It's a solid system as long as you don't want to game

[stray badger]

Seems pretty nice, the newer probooks are more similar to the elitebooks in terms of quality so i would say good

[jagged snow]

I don't have the context for what you're shopping for though

[stray badger]

And i think it has an ethernet port iirc

The one thing i miss having with mine

[edgy hazel]

hub gang

[charred pewter]

i'd like to stick that into that port

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game as in satisfactory game? o.o

[charred pewter]

well, most games, except maybe factorio ... or terraria

even those may show signs of slugging as you scroll around

[hidden badge]

im running satisfactory pretty well on my current pc and i dont think its near as good as this probook ?

mind you i am using all low settings

[charred pewter]

its ... moving .... when did they add the actual moving of the truck to this?

like, im watching it move up the map now ...

[night girder]

Is that Santa?

[charred pewter]

lol Amasanta

Santazon

better bring the right fucking gifts!!!! im sick of returning "THIS ISNT WHAT I ORDERED ?!?!"

still a few more days in the most dissappointing year ever 😄

Santazon still has time to dissappoint!

[night girder]

Santazon missed christmas by 3 days atleast 😂

[charred pewter]

aye, was hard ordering things when i wasnt gonna be home

and with amazon's "we will deliver it WHENEVER THE FUCK" ... i have to leave a big window around trips

and wouldnt you know it... the thing that showed up this morning which was due in january 5th? arrived by UPS (the box was beat up and smashed btw, typical UPS gorilla treatment) .... its the WRONG THING. seller sent something else, not what i ordered.

🤦 so now im dealing with amazon not offering a return/refund until i 'speak with the seller first' ... guh

time to jamb this sucker on... least they sent the right one =p

[dusk rivet]

Contact frames always just felt right in my soul.

[charred pewter]

its so difficult trying to take a photo of somehting with an iphone, when its got a qr code in the shot

[dusk rivet]

It just feels like the right thing to do, even if the benefit is minimal.

[charred pewter]

right

that bendy springy clampy default thing is just so ... ugh feeling

[dusk rivet]

Yeah, just feels wrong.

I'll probably get a contact frame for my planned build

[charred pewter]

its a cheap part at least

[dusk rivet]

with SFF, i need all the cooling help i can get

[charred pewter]

$5... i mean, why not ?

[dusk rivet]

yeah like 10usd max

[night girder]

wait wait. Make sure to get some temps before you put it on. 😄 For sciiiiieeeence....

[sharp oasis]

I love armed bushes

[stray badger]

False

I have played terraria, Stalker: Call of Pripyat, and all Half Life episodes at stable 60fps 1080p

Thats on a 4750u, which is not much faster than a 5600u

[charred pewter]

must work better on pc

[winged valley]

Hmm, today I will buy GDDR6

Also, when working on a functioning laptop, is it at all a good idea to replace BGA chips without a board heater?

I assume the way to do it would be to just use a lower temperature (~290C) and hold it for like 5 min but idk

[charred pewter]

did some pre and post temp tests...

i can never tell if i got the paste on right each time i repaste ... like, did it spread right, or did it not

plus, it needs time to heat up and settle, then heat up and settle ... before you see actual results

too much, too little, did it spread, is it oozing off the sides ... grr

[jagged snow]

I wouldn't want to... but I don't have a ton of experience in board-level solder

[jagged snow]

time for another cooler remount on the gpu, hotspot hit 100c again

[dusk rivet]

manually spread the paste?

[stray badger]

You cant really have to much

It will just squeeze out and do nothing

[winged valley]

im upgrading the VRAM on my 3050ti laptop to 8GB since the die unofficially supports it

nvm it officially supports it

[jagged snow]

Oh nifty

Did you ever replace the sysmem ics?

[charred pewter]

ive always read that presents the possibility of bubbles when you try to place the heat sink down. its why its better to create a mound that is pushed out from center so it spreads out pushing any bubbles with it

but since ive not done, nor seen, a bunch of a/b testing and examples ... its prolly part of the whole 'snake oil' syndrome

[dusk rivet]

oh also, just ordered a bunch of audio equipment

mic, headphones, audio mixer, speakers

most of it on sale!

[charred pewter]

nice, you doing some mixing/recording?

[dusk rivet]

got it for like 2/3rds the price

[dusk rivet]

want to get into some streaming, i also just like nice quality audio

[gilded helm]

At this point I'm annoyed with myself for not getting a mic with a mute switch on the body. But it's not a big deal.

[dusk rivet]

i got 50% off 130usd headphones

28% off a 87usd mic

50% off 40 usd desk speakers

i got so damn lucky with that timing lol

was gonna get some nice 80usd studio monitors, but i don't use speakers that much

[gilded helm]

Good audio stuff lasts a long time, hopefully everything works out

[dusk rivet]

Hope so

only thing i might upgrade in the future is the speakers, the rest is plenty high end for me

i try my best to maintain the stuff i have so it lasts as long as possible

[charred pewter]

yeah, someone suggested i get the top one... but the bottom one has 'touch mute' on the mic casing... (of course neither are no longer on sale!!! damnit)

[dusk rivet]

if there isn’t touch to mute on the mic i ordered, there should be something similar on the audio mixer

worst case scenario i rip out the xlr cable when i need to mute quickly

[soft bloom]

so, on the topic of different UPS...
today is the day clsoe to new year
and because our neighbour likes a tradition of sending new year presents to celebrate spirit of cold...
yesterday i decided to prepare and connected in series powerstation (UPS with battery that by defualt passes AC through) and my old UPS (that has degraded capacity and basically switches off if interrupted for long)
morning started with a few distant sounds of presents dropping, and that i heard a few relay clicks, followed by a beep sound from my old UPS - pc turned off...
so, for whatever reason, my old UPS decided that it would shut off despite being UPS and despite being connected to a another UPS with fully charged battery, and despite the fact that when i checked (few seconds later) power was already on.
So, shoudl i just get rid of old UPS?

[languid gulch]

so long as it's not liquid metal thermal paste, yea, can't really have too much

i know there are suggested patterns, & spots under the heat spreader that you definitely want to hit

my 1st custom air cooler i got was a v1 of the be.quiet 92mm little one, & they kinda got it 90 degrees wrong, at least for my 5600X. only 1 of the heat pipes was directly over the CCD, so it just really couldn't handle the spikes

[soft bloom]

Manually disconnected powerstation from grid
Old ups turned off
And when trying to but it up - powerstation switches ac output off due to high current protection...

Yet ut didn't replicate with pc turbed off in starting position.
But one thing is sure: when i disconnect powerstation from grid - old ups also turns off even eith little load.

Also, it always draws abou 25watt

Suprsisingly, even with no load, old ups beeps red when i disconnect/reconnect powerstation to the grid

[edgy hazel]

Whole Team is just like

[ruby patio]

I am looking at three models of the AMD Ryzen 7 processor. Their base frequencies are 3.8Ghz, 4.2Ghz, and 4.5Ghz

In their specs, they also mention Graphics Frequency. There is Graphics Base Frequency, and Graphics Max Dynamic Frequency. The 4.2Ghz and 4.5Ghz chips have a base frequency of 400Mhz, and a Max frequency of 2.2Ghz. The slower, 3.8Ghz chip has a Base of 2.2Ghz, and no listed Max. Does that mean the 3.8Ghz runs hot all the time?

And why does the CPU list graphics speeds at all? Does it have a special relationship with a Radeon graphics card?

[edgy hazel]

Brother post the model number

[ruby patio]

AMD Ryzen 7 7700, AMD Ryzen 7 7700X3D, and AMD Ryzen 7 7800X

[edgy hazel]

And no some its not about some special relation with AMD GPUs. Its the integrated GPU

[ruby patio]

So, with a graphics card installed, the CPU graphics would not be used, or only used for OS and maybe browser graphics?

[edgy hazel]

You can use the iGPU for a secondary display but you usually use your GPU for all. The igpu is not used really

[ruby patio]

I think I see. I won't score that spec high. The 7700X seems to be the best (of this bunch) with it's 4.5Ghz clock and 96Mb L3 Cache.

Generally, I'm trying to decide between a pre-built machine, and making one from parts.

[edgy hazel]

The 7700x has 32MB L3

You are referring to a x3D model

[ruby patio]

Whoops, copied that down wrong. X3D with 4.2Ghz clock, and 96Mb L3 Cache, against the X with 4.5Ghz and 32Mb L3 Cache

[edgy hazel]

And i didn't know there was a 7700x3D?

At least there is none on the official AMD website

[ruby patio]

Copied that wrong too. 7800X3D

[edgy hazel]

Yeah good CPU

[ruby patio]

...and 7700X

I'll add your recommendation to my spreadsheet.

[night girder]

and?

[dire igloo]

7800X doesn't exist either

[dire igloo]

Ah nvm, okay.
What's the price on each?

7700 and 7700X are rarely worth it cuz they're priced so close to 7800X3D - which btw is the best gaming CPU on the market currently

[night girder]

Intel® Core™ i7-7800X

[ruby patio]

At MicroCenter, Ryzen 7 7800X3D is $349.99, Ryzen 7 7700X is $319.99, and Ryzen 7 7700 is $299.99

[dire igloo]

If you're looking at microcenter, get the 7700x bundle

$399 for CPU, mainboard and RAM

Sadly no Hynix die, but the price more than makes up for it

With those prices tho, 7800X3D easy win

[ruby patio]

The 7700 is the one included in the pre-built PowerSpec G716. Using that spec as the base.

[dire igloo]

Prebuilds are eeeeeeeh

Can you send a screenshot of the specs/parts

[ruby patio]

I agree. Unless the pre-built is much cheaper than the components, I'll build my own.

[dire igloo]

Alrighty then.
7700x bundle for 399 should be your go to pick for value

[night girder]

doubtly, pre-built has the cost of the building itself, and extra costs for profit.

[dire igloo]

Unless you have enough budget to spare to go 7800X3D and Hynix RAM

[dire igloo]

Plus you don't get the insane discount of the bundle

[ruby patio]

The bundle is out of stock locally, but I could order it.

[dire igloo]

Yeah, you could try

Dope value, absolutely worth it

[ruby patio]

Oh, there's a 7800X3D bundle as well. $500. includes 32Gb DDR5 ram. Add a new graphics card, and I'm set.

Also a heat-sink.

[dire igloo]

And case, PSU, drive

[dire igloo]

Not as great value imo

But good enough I guess

What's the speed, latency and voltage on the RAM?

[tribal kraken]

Always fun to see PC parts arrive on door with heavy truck. And handing over letter size packages

DDR5 Memory kit arrived 😅

Let see how xmp works with 4 sticks

[dire igloo]

DDR5? not at all
DDR4? Gamble

Yeah, DDR5, good luck, IMC can't handle that

[tribal kraken]

Had no problem with 32gb (4x8) 4000Mhz DDR4 on Intel platform. AMD was terrible

But now need 64gb, so lower speed will do if the XMP is problem

[dire igloo]

Might be unstable at JEDEC

Four sticks of DDR5 is awfully bad

Doesn't matter what platform

[tribal kraken]

Well then plug them in and see

[dire igloo]

Best of luck, you're gonna need it

Is it Hynix die at least?

[tribal kraken]

I think these are Samsung

[dire igloo]

Yup, highly likely

[ruby patio]

The memory in the 7800X3D bundle was DDR5-6000

G.Skill FlareX5 sticks

'course, don't know if Out Of Stock bundles ever return

[dire igloo]

Likely Samsung too

[tribal kraken]

I just got and identical kit to my existing ones, they are among the first 6000Mhz kits that were available in Z690 and DDR5 launch

At least it boots, now booted to windows without xmp. Was a tight fit to the slot closest to CPU with EK waterblock

[dire igloo]

Run OCCT to make sure it's stable

[tribal kraken]

CPU-Z bench, Timespy and Timespy extreme passes with XMP on. Will leave Karhu memtest running as I need to leave in hour or so

Timespy CPU test crashed this system with the 2 sticks with early BIOS versions on stock XMP voltages. But adding from 1.35 to 1.40V made it stable until later BIOS worked with 1.35 until this day

[sharp oasis]

try loosening primary timings

might help

[tribal kraken]

Why? it was stable and worked? And for now with the 4 sticks XMP seems to work just fine too

[sharp oasis]

4sticks

On what cpu

As 4sticks DDR5 being stable is news to me

Try doing TM5 anta 777 extreme

I doubt that ram is anywhere near fully stable

[tribal kraken]

13900k with direct die cooling.

[sharp oasis]

Decent IMC. Still doubt it's 100% stable

[tribal kraken]

In my exprience Karhu memtest finds error much faster than thos

[sharp oasis]

I utilize what is proven for me.

Anta 777 extreme is what I normally use if I'm doing timing changes to ddr4

[tribal kraken]

I dont spend time on any of that if the system works just enabling XMP, yields no results

[soft bloom]

and PC when connected to the powerstation through extension cord doesn't notice grid (dis)connects at all..
i don't udnerstand this shit

[tribal kraken]

Well.. cant get it to crash with my quick tests and Timespy Expreme passed 5 times. Now going to leave it run Karhu memtest while I'm gone and if no errors just work and game it. If it crashes-> DRAM voltage to 1.40V

[tribal kraken]

1 hour and no errors, give it 2 more

[edgy hazel]

I am inside your computer

[dire igloo]

But where's Norm?

[tribal kraken]

Oh no, memory error after 2 hours and 20 minutes. But the hottest stick was almost 80°C

[soft bloom]

is this tom scott?

[charred pewter]

anyone use the "Nvidia Profile Inspector" here?

[charred pewter]

nm, looks straightforward and 'safe' to run

[night girder]

https://github.com/Orbmu2k/nvidiaProfileInspector that one?

[charred pewter]

yah

at first the git name made me think 'this is malware' lol

[night girder]

3k stars, some forks and updated 9 months ago. And open source.

[charred pewter]

yeah, highly talked about on reddit... so i figure if it was 'bad', there would be public outcry

hell, look at the outcry about Denuvo, and theres nothing really wrong with it 😉

[night girder]

seems pretty legit code, forgot to clean up here and there.

This tool is used for modifying game profiles inside the internal driver database of the nvidia driver. All game profiles are provided by the nvidia driver, but you can add your own profiles for games missing in the driver database. You also have access to hidden and undocumented settings, which are not provided by the drivers control panel.

Still, know what you do 😄

Another good one is to check out the issues, see what bugs people are reporting,.

[edgy hazel]

I hate dell I hate dell I hate dell I hate dell I hate dell I hate dell I hate dell I hate dell I hate dell I hate dell I hate dell I hate dell I hate dell I hate dell I hate dell I hate dell

[charred pewter]

lol

[edgy hazel]

Gonna spray that shit on a wall like walking dead

5 hours of trying to reinstall Windows using conventional (and by security allowed) methods.

Had to say fuck it, nuke the drive, create USB stick with rufus, because the media creation tool died every time, and just reinstall and then do it again but with the correct drivers on the stick because DELLLLLLLL

[charred pewter]

hmm ... 🤔

im gonna go on a hunch, just a gut feeling .... herg is upset with dell

[edgy hazel]

Upset is a word

There are no words that exist to describe my feelings towards dell

[charred pewter]

raging hormonal disgust ?

[languid gulch]

dell is singlehandedly responsible for me learning about pc hardware & moving me & my family over to custom pcs because they sold me a desktop that had a gpu with half its advertised vram

[edgy hazel]

They definitly teach you to think outside the box, because nothing on the inside works

[languid gulch]

i tried my best to salvage it, turning it into what i called Frankenputer, until i figured out that they had tied the PSU, motherboard, & fucking case together in a proprietary way, so i ditched those to finally be free of it

[dusk rivet]

You will always find a way to make me cringe when i check this channel

[edgy hazel]

I did it to my 7900xt too~

Dont have a GIF of it tho

Only of my 5700

[charred pewter]

i bought my cousins daughter a dell laptop for her school work .... it was wrecked in a week ... lol

[edgy hazel]

I hate them so much

Uhhh uhhh online recovery from BIOS

IF IT WOULD WORK

[languid gulch]

some dell laptops are actually decent for their price, others not so much. the only thing i actually trust them with anymore are monitors

[ruby patio]

I went through two Dell laptops with overheating issues before I got my Lenovo

[charred pewter]

my mother has a Gateway ... with win7 on it still ... seems to keep working, but its horrible slow. I think im buying her a new laptop this year

maybe i'll get her a Dell! .... oh wait, i love my mom

[edgy hazel]

Im just gonna switch to a mac asap at

Work

[languid gulch]

heretic

[charred pewter]

herg sees the light!

BOUT TIME, SANTA

[night girder]

tbf, I also had an error when installing Windows 11 when I plugged in two USB* sticks (one stick had W11 and the other sticks some other driver and files).

I did select the correct boot stick (else I wouldn't be able to get to the installation)

but once it started to install, after a few % it gaves me an error. Happened twice in the recent months.

And the fix was to only use one USB stick 🤷‍♂️

And Apple isn't better at reinstalling.

[edgy hazel]

apple is miles better

kilometers even

[night girder]

Yeah yeah, I tried reinstalling from timemachine once. Great funt hat was 👍

And before you start, it is/was a feature of timemachine you could just reinstall from it and you were good to go.

But no, apparatnly that doesn't even work. So you have to clean install and drag files over to your laptop. Just... like ... a ... normal... backup.

and that one time when I installed a OS update from Apple, and it literally bricked my laptop. Good times.

That's how it booted up after an update.

[ruby patio]

Just bought a bundle at MicroCenter. Got to put pants on and go pick it up. AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D chip w/ Mb and 32Gb of DDR6-6000.

[night girder]

All I actually wanted to say is this: I doubt it's Dell's fault

[night girder]

and I do get what you saying. It's just at this point, most brands failed me at one point or another 😛

[edgy hazel]

nah this dell shit ain't even funny

it's hilarious how difficult they can make a WINDOWS REINSTALL

[night girder]

How do you know it's Dell being the issue if I may ask?

Was it a certain Dell specific feature? Like security or something?

[edgy hazel]

"feature" yes. multiple

[night girder]

rofl 😂

[jagged snow]

Oh nice, have fun with that!

[edgy hazel]

locked out from resetting via windows, locked out from installing via usb stick without blowing up the entire drive first (very cool for remote support), their recovery software is the last garbage (and oesn't work), I could go on

might I add, their recovery software doesn't exist anymore now, BECAUSE THEY STORE THAT ON THE SSD

THE ONE YOU USE IN THE BIOS

[night girder]

Their official website. How to reinstall windows 11.

[edgy hazel]

(it also doesn't work properly)

(or at all in that matter)

[night girder]

Jezus 😒

www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/drivers/osiso/recoverytool

Then what is that? 😒

I can just download the Dell OS Recovery Tool.

But anyway, I wouldn't do all this either. Fuck that.

[charred pewter]

i was surprised this last time i had to reinstall/setup a fresh macOS, that it just 'found' an external drive backup and migrated everything in ... settings, preferences, apps, documents, the works. I was like "but... how?? the drive it pulled from wasnt even the same macOS version!"

[night girder]

wtf! I tried 2-3 times a few years ago. Didn't want to do it. So frustrating.

[charred pewter]

its tempermental 😄

had to catch it on a day where it got a trophy for showing up

[dusk rivet]

got the desk speakers, these things are noice

finally upgraded from using my alexa as a speaker

[edgy hazel]

there is a difference between missing files/permissions for these files for a backup recovery AND BLOCKING ANY WAY TO EASILY RESET A DEVICE REMOTELY

[charred pewter]

what kind? 2.1? 5.1?

[dusk rivet]

stereo

speakers is the one thing i didn't go crazy on

i just wanted something that would work for pretty cheap

these delivery times are annoying, i'm getting the audio mixer tmr, the mic on sunday, and the headphones on wednesday

[charred pewter]

i ordered a bunch of random things too... all saying jan 5th-8th... but half of them have already showed up unannounced =p

new speakers may be nice, if all you were using was an alexa ...

even having stereo over mono will enhance your gaming tenfold

unless you been using high quality headphones all this time...

i wonder if i gave my mom my old retina laptop ... i wonder how much she would grouse and complain about everything on it

[dusk rivet]

Been using some wireless razer kaira headphones, great headphones for the price, but not amazing audio quality and mic is pretty bad

Speakers i’ll usually use while playing a game where audio isn’t super important and while watching something

i just don’t like the feeling of headphones on my head most of the time

[night girder]

That's why I stick with arctic 7. My head likes it.

[dusk rivet]

hopefully my head likes the phillips headphones

[charred pewter]

i cant stand headphones either... hurts the scalp

[dusk rivet]

they’re good for if i need the surround sound for fps games

[dusk rivet]

but if i’m just playing minecraft, i’d rather just use speakers

[night girder]

It has a extra skiband in it.

[dusk rivet]

wireless?

[night girder]

yes

Only headset that doesn't hurt my head. Tried logitech, turtle and a few others. But since I got the steelseries one, I am sticking to it.

[dusk rivet]

those look super nice

that price tag tho

178usd on amazon

found the arctis 7x for 114usd, looks comparable

[night girder]

Yes, but to be fair, I have mine for 6-7 years now.

[dusk rivet]

Fair

Wait what

[night girder]

So, eitehr I got lucky, or it's very good quality.

[dusk rivet]

You got your headphones to last 6-7 years?

[night girder]

That's why I am so happy with it 😄

[dusk rivet]

Luck ain’t good enough to make a mediocre pair last that long

That’s cheaper than buying a lesser pair of headphones every 2-3 years

IG that’s part of the allure for nicer quality audio stuff, lasts a lot longer so it may end up cheaper in the long run

[night girder]

Anyway, the features I love are (besides the headband ofc): button to mute microphone, you can put away the microphone or pull it out, and you have a balancer between "Chat Audio" and "Game Audio". So you can put Discord on "Chat Audio" and your games on "Game Audio" and then you can balance the volume between those two. You can also do this for firefox and other app/programs.

[dusk rivet]

Oooh

can you change the mix of game and chat audio via a scroll wheel on the headphones?

[night girder]

There is newer Arctis 7 with USB-C! 😄

[night girder]

yes! very handy.

[dusk rivet]

that sounds amazing

i need to stop seeing cool audio stuff

i’m gonna drain my bank account on this

[sharp oasis]

That would be helpful for me as well

[night girder]

It's easy for when you are on discord, and a cutscene ingame starts that's too loud. Or someone joins that you cannot understand. Then I just mix to the discord audio 😄

or when there is too much chatter, I just mix to game audio 😂

[sharp oasis]

Keeping warthunder audio not too loud where I can hear my Freinds telling me positioning. But loud enough I can hear others engines.

[night girder]

and the mute button I also love, that way I know my headset is muted, it turns the microphone red.

cba with muting myself in discord itself haha 😂

[sharp oasis]

As normally warthunder full volume drowns out discord audio

[night girder]

I had that with Tarkov.

[sharp oasis]

And when playing with Freinds I need to be able to hear them say. "there's a jumbo to the left of that building"

And for me to say.

She shot me. But didn't do fuck all. Bc panther frontal armor is busted

[stray badger]

Arctis 7x is 2nd gen arctis 7 for xbox

Arctis 7p is better iirc

There is also an arctis 7+ with usb c

My arctis 1 is decent, but will probably swap with dt770s eventually

[dusk rivet]

arctis 7p+ is 150usd

arctis 7p seems to be discontinued

[stray badger]

Arctis 7p, 7x, and 7 are discontinued

There is also the nova 7, but that changed the design too much for me

[charred pewter]

boingy boingy boingy

[winged valley]

genuine xacto knives and a glorified magnifying glass, cant wait to do trace reconstruction

[twin dew]

I'm late, but better to post again even if it had been posted:
https://videocardz.com/newz/cablemod-recalls-12vhpwr-1-0-1-1-angled-adapters-users-advised-to-stop-using-them-immediately

cablemod.com/adapterrecall/

[narrow folio]

I'm still amazed how this connector ever got green lit from the ATX consortium

[twin dew]

Using PCB in that kind of adapter was just bad idea...

[twin dew]

The CableMod thing isn't related to the connector AFAIK, but use of PCB between the connectors.
Too thin traces, and bending loads and cycles cause the solder to crack.

[narrow folio]

why not just use something that is proven to work and physically robust , like XT90

[twin dew]

Because the connector was Nvidia, that just then got minor additions.

No idea what kind of backroom deals were made to get it through to standard.

[narrow folio]

We good, take bag of money, make way for our stuff?

[twin dew]

For some reason the people on those committees etc. want multiple thin cables instead of few thick ones like would be sane.

[narrow folio]

probably easier to automate and thus cheaper

[twin dew]

Or just easier bending and routing etc. for user.

[narrow folio]

a single wire thick enough for the current would need very fine strains to be bendable enough, but those exist as I use that stuff in my RC car

[gilded helm]

It has to be a copper cost thing. These aren't something with a high amount of user interaction like USB cables. High amperage would be fine.

[narrow folio]

next step would be to up the voltage to 24 or even 48V to reduce the needed amps

[twin dew]

AFAIK 48V is sometimes a thing in servers already.
But getting that kind of crossover on consumer side is almost impossible.

As MB, GPU, PSU all would need to switch at same time.

[narrow folio]

still considered safe voltage AFAIK

[twin dew]

Yes, 50V is usually one of the cutoff points.

[narrow folio]

the new 12V only ATX plug is a missed opportunity to go to a higher voltage

[gilded helm]

48 volt is even a little run up the mill in something that's going to face interaction only when it's powered off.

[twin dew]

Same as with car electronics.
Inertia.
As everyone would need to change at same time.

As most car manufacturers use 3rd party electronics boxes.
And they would need to get 48V versions of all of them at same time.

And as the price would be higher because of much lower initial volume etc.

Same with PC stuff, PSUs, MBs, GPUs with the 48V input would probably be more expensive, from the much lower volume.

[narrow folio]

those custom made PSU with weird connectors I've seen in some older Dell PC seems to indicate that if the volume is big enough it's feasible even for a single manufacturer

but yeah, closed system vs open

[twin dew]

For OEM.
And those are still 12V, just with minor tweaks.

Just connector switch compared to 12VO type thing.

[narrow folio]

sure, still 12V as the building blocks are cheaper if off the shelf solutions can be used

I hope those 12VO boards get good controllers for the lower voltages

probably will make them more expensive if you want quality DC/DC converters

on the other hand the PSU could get a bit cheaper as there is now only a single voltage needed

[charred pewter]

talk tech tech talk talk

"why is passmark dogshit?" ... google results are dogshit

this is interesting info ... i wonder what 'other brands' would be ... or if theres a general 'rule' with size of fan, and distance between for in-series

[dire igloo]

for push pull rad configs?

how did they get those numbers?

[charred pewter]

no idea where they got the numbers, its what im wondering

cause, my system has a big filter (if youve seen the images) and i have 6 fans in 'pair series' mode... so it overcomes the higher resistence ...

but was wondering if the spacing of those pairs made any difference or not

i mean, so long as there is a sealed tube between each fan in a series ... it shouldnt matter the distance ... ?

that plot is a bit confusing 😉

[twin dew]

You need for the first fans airflow to have straightened before the second fan, or you lose efficiency.

Which can be very significant.

[charred pewter]

yeah, putting them back to back doesnt work well

i would think, a chamber with a couple 'fins' lengthwwise would help too

[twin dew]

But mostly a radiator or cooler fins should work well to straighten the flow.
Just a tube wouldn't do well.

[charred pewter]

it does mention that if you are doing a 'push/pull' for a heatsink, the fins straighten the flow, so a shorter distance is acceptable

so yeah, if ive got like a |||||||||||||| inside the 'tube' ... it would help

the way i had built my original 'fan manifold', was the front intake fans were angled a bit, while the rear exhaust where straight... it caused the air to 'bend' in the chamber between each pair. it worked good, the overall airflow was good.... but it created a bit more rumbling noise due to turbulence than i like, so im looking into a new manifold design

trying to fingure out 'how close can i get them' ... but not finding any real info other than what you said 'air needs length to straighten'

without making a test chamber, and using smoke to test.... im guessing there is no magic numbers out there because every 'fan' itself is different (brand and type)

what i do know, is if i just plaster 6 fans 'in paralell' ... the airflow aint all that great... they stall on each other

[dire igloo]

nice axis labels

[charred pewter]

i think their problem was putting too many all on one, so actually stating airflow on an axis, didnt make sense

[dire igloo]

really help with understanding the graph

if they wanted to make helpful infographics, they tried to put so much info on the graphic that it's no longer helpful

this is like Apple or Nvidia showing some weird made up graph with weird numbers and no labels

[charred pewter]

they were trying to show, that up to a point of a 'single fan', when in series it has more airflow... while parallel would falter with high resistence... but yeah ... combining it all one one plot was like WAAHHHG

its almost like BOTH axis are "airflow" 😄

but even THAT doesnt make much sense looking at some of the lines

in short:
max airflow doubles with 2 fans in parallel vs 1 fan, or 2 fans in series..... so long as resistance is nill
max airflow doubles with 2 fans in series vs 1 fan, or 2 fans in parallel.... only in high resistance situations

and somewhere in the middle none of it makes any difference

like if i removed my air filter .... doing 6 fans all by themselves would create an insane amount of airflow .... (but boy my computer would get dirty fast!! LOL)

i want one of those thermal imaging guns ... with the hand held monitor and it shows heat ... that would help tell when i get the right balance of airflow and cooling required to keep things cool 🤔

ouch, those are expensive ... lol maybe not 😄

[dire igloo]

maybe it's airflow vs static pressure?

[charred pewter]

gosh this looks like a fun toy ... https://www.amazon.com/FLIR-One-Thermal-Imager-For/dp/B0728C7KND/

... must ... resist ...

[night girder]

😛

[charred pewter]

who was the hag ?

[night girder]

A nasty one. A real b*tch. But it's is dead now

Play BG3, explore every nook and cranny and you might discover the hag 😛

[charred pewter]

heres a graph with the axis ...

[night girder]

Why are you looking into static pressure so much?

[charred pewter]

just pondering a slight re-design of my fan manifold

[night girder]

oh right forgot about your special case.

[charred pewter]

my current one, i was spray painting it with a rubberized black paint, which cuts down on overall vibration noise... but something happened with the paint and its been 10 days and its STILL tacky (not drying!) ... so i may have to build a whole new one, and thinking if i do, i might change it up

plus i replaced the 3 noctua and 3 nzxt with all arctic (quieter, high pressure fans) ...

THIS IS MY COMPUTER !!! FEAR ME!!!! ..... j/k

fucking ugly noctua shit ... i need to put all these up on ebay and get rid of them

i got three NF-A14, and 1 NF-F12

now i did test 3 fans, and 3 pairs and measured the overall airflow into the case ... it definitely benefits from the pairs instead of singles. however i would like to test the 6 all as singles to see if there is a benefit, since the new fans are already 'for high resistance' (radiator fans)

unfortunately the back of my case only has a port for up to 3 fans, i would need to make a new temporary panel that supports 6 fans

aaaand, im out of wood ....

🤔 if its just a test, maybe i just grab some amazon boxes and tape/cut them up to use 🤔

when prototyping, cardboard boxes come in handy!!!

for those actually interested, this article is better than the noctua one: <www.cuidevices.com/blog/understanding-airflow-fundamentals-for-proper-dc-fan-selection>

[dire igloo]

funky CPU heatsink design

[charred pewter]

i guess its to look like a transformer head logo?

its the old prolimatech megahalems ... thing was a beast for 4 of my CPUs, but wont work on newer lga1700 sockets

its been moved now to my htpc build ... where it will serve out the rest of its life 24/7 running sagetv and streaming video services =p

[dire igloo]

the good old black and red aesthetic

[charred pewter]

days before rgb fruitylicious coloring 😄

remember the days where these capacitors would bulge, and you have to re-cap your motherboard??? ...

i did an OK job of it ...

that board is STILL working even today ...

[night girder]

Niiice

[tough owl]

https://youtu.be/SCIOOlT3KJI?si=PoDHCe5GpPQ264Gy

[night girder]

rofl, they found a zeroday, which enables hackers to log into your google-chrome account. even if you changed the password

they are able to "revive" an expired session cookie and get access to the account.

www.infostealers.com/article/the-0-day-all-infostealer-groups-are-exploiting/

[tough owl]

Google chrome account?

Isn’t that just a google account?

[night girder]

And according to the researchers, they let google know a month ago. Without any changes. And meanwhile more and more hackers are exploiting it rofl.

[night girder]

When you use a service of Google in Google Chrome, and you have to login to use that service (gmail, youtube) it will also automatically login into your local chrome browser.

So, login in Gmail in Google Chrome = logged-in/stored in google chrome = whenever you access any service of google, you are automatically logged in.

Microsoft does the same with Edge and microsoft accounts.

[tough owl]

Firefox ftw 🫡

[night girder]

www.cloudsek.com/blog/compromising-google-accounts-malwares-exploiting-undocumented-oauth2-functionality-for-session-hijacking

That's also a good information source on the zero-day

[charred pewter]

this all of course relies on someone installing malware onto their computer though in the first place

like, just because someone visits a website with chrome, doesnt mean someone can just hijack and access their chrome passwords and stuff

while im comfortable using chrome, i worry about family using it

because im a paranoid prick, i dont even click links in emails FROM trusted friends and family 😄

[night girder]

You totally miss the point.

The code is being sold. And recycled into other stuff.

[winged valley]

VGA is useful to have

toss all else

[night girder]

Also it's becoming more and more mainstream. In only a month.

Also it shows how vulnerable a single point of access is. Like we discussed many times before.

There is a trade-off between security and ease of access.

[night girder]

Ah, and you clearly forgot. Linus YT (google) got hacked a while back so... there is that.

[charred pewter]

because someone got phished and ran malware... again, once you do that, no application is really 'safe'

if you believe chrome is such a security vulnerability: hack my chrome right now. its running. do it and prove me that its a dangerous app to run

[night girder]

It's not that malware is this "malware_please_excecute_me_with_privileges.exe".

[night girder]

1. That's illegal. 2. If you think you are invulnerable, you are mistaken. 3. I don't have the code of this exploit.

[charred pewter]

this is like people who say a website can steal any cookies a browser has. its fear mongering

[night girder]

And it's freaking google, not some small silly website.

Bro, you even clicked the urls?

This is comming from security companies 🤦‍♂️

[charred pewter]

i read them, and there is nothing in there that says "you run chrome, you are vulnerable 100% on any legit website"

[night girder]

It's not fear mongering. Just straight facts. There is a 0-day exploit, able to take over your account, even after password change. It's been out there for months. And google hasn't patched it or fixed it. The biggest tech company out there. Those are the facts.

[dire igloo]

if it's a patchable exploit it should be patched, end of discussion

[charred pewter]

sure, i'll let some hacker breach my computer... to get at chromes files. if that happens, CHROME IS THE LEAST OF MY WORRIES

and google should patch whatever it is ...

[dire igloo]

exactly. Anything you ever did in Chrome is. Stored or autofill passwords? your history? stuff like that

[night girder]

huh? 😒

It's not your chrome account. It's your whole google account.

[dire igloo]

granted, that ain't much if you use Firefox

[charred pewter]

chrome accounts are google accounts... sadly

[dire igloo]

oh yeah, your emails, your YT acc, your Maps location history, etc

[night girder]

So, you both saying: they can have my e-mail, my YT account, EVERYTHING.

[dire igloo]

@night girder This is what I said

and I agree that this exploit should not exist

I'm saying the exact opposite of what you think I am

[charred pewter]

yeah, we arnt saying "dont do anything, google" ...

[dire igloo]

Chrome itself isn't the issue, anything connected to it and your google account is

[night girder]

If you login, with Firefox, into google. This exploits does NOT APPLY.

It's only between Google Chrome -> Google Account, that they can exploit this vulnerability.

This exploitation technique demonstrates a higher level of sophistication and understanding of Google’s internal authentication mechanisms. By manipulating the token:GAIA ID pair, Lumma can continuously regenerate cookies for Google services.

[charred pewter]

but what im also saying is... just cause chrome and google are on my computer, doesnt mean im instantly losing all my information because for them to actually get at the vital files needed to USE this exploit, they would have already gained access to my machine: ergo, if thats the case, chrome is the least of my worries

[dire igloo]

as in: if they managed to use this exploit, they could've managed to do much worse?

[charred pewter]

and if i blindly followed a phishing url, and 'logged in' to my google on a sketchy site... well, having firefox still wont protect people from that

[night girder]

vital files, you know this is from your google profile right? Not even a vital file... just your profile.

Exfiltration of Tokens and Account IDs: By reversing the Malware variant, we understood they target Chrome's token_service table of WebData to extract tokens and account IDs of chrome profiles logged in. This table contains two crucial columns: service (GAIA ID) and encrypted_token.

[dire igloo]

like those YT channels getting hacked (LMG or Julien Bam in Germany) which could've gotten ransomware too

[night girder]

They then make a call to an end-point and reverse engineer it with the information. I assume, all the malware is doing, is shipping tokens to hackers. And they have a program that can make the backend call.

[charred pewter]

they cant GET that information by just looking up anyones profile. they need the original to reverse engineer it.

[dire igloo]

question is: what conditions have to be met for an attacker to be able to use the exploit?

[night girder]

"Exfiltration of Tokens and Account IDs: By reversing the Malware variant, we understood they target Chrome's token_service table of WebData to extract tokens and account IDs of chrome profiles logged in. This table contains two crucial columns: service (GAIA ID) and encrypted_token."

anyway, since nobody is actually reading. I am out of this discussion 😂 Too stupid to keep going if you not going to read the facts/technicality.

[dire igloo]

do they need to already have access to the system? do they need the user to install something? etc

[dire igloo]

It's too high of a tech level for me to understand the specifics

[charred pewter]

you are only quoting that website, not explaining the actual attack vector

[night girder]

It's not. Really it's pretty well written. Especially the second link I send in here.

The encrypted tokens are decrypted using an encryption key stored in Chrome's Local State within the UserData directory, similar to the encryption used for storing passwords.

[dire igloo]

All I want to know is: if I'm paranoid af, will I still be vulnerable?

[charred pewter]

clearly Letterdief as a top tier level security expert to understand most of the 'gibberish' on that website 😉

[night girder]

It's all just getting tokens out of files, and then making calls to the backend of google to login. Once they login, they have your account.

[dire igloo]

well, I personally won't cuz I use Firefox, but some generic guy out there who never opens any link or file sent to them

[charred pewter]

but nowhere on that article does it actually say how the initial vital piece of information is attained

[night girder]

I don't understand HOW they decrypt it, but I do get the high level overview of it all.

[night girder]

Me too 😂

[dire igloo]

more importantly: how do they get the tokens to decrypt?

[night girder]

BRO!

[night girder]

👆

It literally says it there 😂

[charred pewter]

if they get them through the typical 'phishing scam' ... getting somoene to sign in on a fake website (thus getting the tokens that way) ... or are the installing malware which then grabs the information out of chrome itself (in its WebData archive)... or is this some insane hack where all they need is the public_id of ANY google id, to make a token that allows them in.... right now ... without anyone doing anything

[charred pewter]

you still are not quoting where they get that, why? because that website doesnt say how

[night girder]

Nah, I am not going to. If you too lazy to actually read I am not going to spoon feed it to you. It's all in there.

[charred pewter]

fine, whatever.

i read the fucking article, asshole

[night girder]

Another fun facts is, that a bit of reverse engineering is done, because open-source 😄 They just went to look at github to figure out the endpoints rofl 😂

[charred pewter]

and nothing in it explains HOW they GET THAT FUCKING INFO

not going to entertain this conversation anymore. i'm gonna go do something more fun

[dire igloo]

"stored in Chrome's Local State within the UserData directory" sounds like they need to have prior access to the system.

[night girder]

The reason I do not answer the question is because it clearly states: malware.

[dire igloo]

exactly

[prisma yoke]

Are there any linux smart people here? I have been trying to launch windows games with proton but they wouldn't start, the steam just says they are running for a few seconds and then the play buttons appears again. I don't know how to make it work

[dire igloo]

so this is just one of many things a hacker can do on your system once they infiltrated it

granted, it's a big issue especially for YT creators

[night girder]

Malware is just the ship, can be a PDF, that connects to a server, that picks up some bit of extra code, that executes in the background, extracts the the tokens it needs and send it to a DB of the hacker.

[dire igloo]

doesn't matter

[night girder]

Exactly.

[dire igloo]

they need prior access

and that means they can do whatever

[night girder]

Well, you didn't read about the PDF's recently?

[dire igloo]

again, doesn't matter

unless it's an infiltration vector

[night girder]

Do you need root to access userdata? 😒 🤔

[dire igloo]

idk, but in the end, they could just as well use Ransomware

so it's likely to be an attack vector used for whaling, not spearfishing

as in: you make a targeted attack tailored to a specific victim (a YT creator most likely)

[night girder]

the fact all these big infostealer groups are integrating it into their tools says a lot ...

[dire igloo]

and not a generalized attack on hundreds of people in the hope that one succeeds

[night girder]

if it didn't have potentional, if they can't access the userdata, why even bother with implementing this exploit.

[dire igloo]

if it's easy to exploit, of course they do

[night girder]

No, you said they can't access userdata. So I am just wondering, if that was "so well protected" why would they bother. Because it's probably not well protected.

[dire igloo]

and if they're smart, they won't bundle it with easy to spot malware (like a crypto miner), so it doesn't get detected

[dire igloo]

no I didn't

I said they can't access userdata without prior access to the system

[sharp oasis]

Remind me. Never try to get a fortnite player to play warthunder

[night girder]

Right, but getting access to a system. Doesn't seem to be that hard.

[dire igloo]

they need to infiltrate the system first before they can use this exploit

[night girder]

You know people. They download/open anything

[night girder]

That's what Malware is?

[dire igloo]

eh, it's doable, but you'll either need a tailored attack or a stupid user

[dire igloo]

that's beyond the exploit

[night girder]

No, this is just the definition of malware. Infiltrating the system, can be done by the user themselves. "Oh, look a free game where I normally should be paying 60 bucks for. I hope this is a leggit crack" - And then they get hacked for example

[dire igloo]

this exploit can only be run by malware. It's not an infiltration vector

Citrix Bleed was an infiltration vector

this isn't

[night girder]

I never said it was. I just posted the exploit to raise awereness.

[dire igloo]

good thing

this turned into a discussion about the usability of the exploit tho

and that is limited to how well you can infiltrate a system

[night girder]

and my response is: 6 hacker groups are using it actively. They got a way to infiltrate. They got a way to exploit the 0-day. They got a way to abuse it.

[dire igloo]

yes, because they have a whole repertoire of tools

they added it to their toolbox

the tool alone is worthless

it's essentially a screwdriver bit: a tool you can use once you own a screwdriver

a great tool (from a hacker's perspective) definitely, but it requires others to be usable

[night girder]

and the screwdriver you buy of the dark web 😉

[dire igloo]

you usually don't if you're a sophisticated group

[night girder]

I posted a screenshot, they are also selling the source code for 300 bucks.

[dire igloo]

the seller might have added other malware that'd rat out yours

[night girder]

Buy the code, wrap it in your own Trojan and good luck I would say 👍

[dire igloo]

like a crypto miner

[night girder]

Yeah 😄

[dire igloo]

you'd want this malware to stay hidden

because once it's found, it's no longer of use

[night girder]

But again, there is all sorts of people out there, if nobody would be buying the code/tools. Why bother making them and updating them?

These groups are clearly making some money out of it.

[dire igloo]

It's not about the importance of this vulnerability

this is a serious vulnerability

[night girder]

no shit. 😂

[dire igloo]

it's about how dangerous this vulnerability is to the average user

[night girder]

And you are probably right about the whales. Since it's only possible with google-chrome, you don't know if your target has google chrome.

[dire igloo]

and that I'd say is eeeeeh

it's not a tool that you throw at a thousand people and hope it sticks

it's a tool you use in a targeted attack

[ruby patio]

It's dangerous to go to MicroCenter

[night girder]

I think it might be, just wrap it in a game or something.

[dire igloo]

you don't need to know. Infiltrate and see what happens

[night girder]

The infostealer groups btw, are called infostealers for a reason.

They steal the information and sell it. They don't take over accounts.

[dire igloo]

yup, you're inclined to make unwise decisions

[ruby patio]

Oh no, they were quite wise. Satisfactory runs like a charm now.

[dire igloo]

that RAM likely uses Samsung die, the mainboard is meh for B650 standards, the CPU is great but with that GPU will only really get to spread its wings in 1080p, the cooler is heavily oversized and quite overpriced compared to alternatives like the PS120SE
and that drive is about as far from good value as it gets

[night girder]

You crushing dreams Fireworker.

[dire igloo]

this drive is built exactly the same

[night girder]

And we really need to get his whitelist updated next year 😂

[ruby patio]

I bought what they had, and avoided Inland products. I agree about the heatsink. It's a monster.

[dire igloo]

<@&387163995947270144> can we get tpucdn.com added to the whitelist? It's techpowerup's content delivery network

[night girder]

and while you at it. microsoft.com. Stuff like -> support.microsoft.com/en-us 🙏

[dire igloo]

Inland is Microcenter's inhouse brand and has some good drives

and it's not that the heatsink is a monster, the PS120SE is too.
It's that it's completely oversized for the 7800X3D which is a 100W CPU at most

and also (usually) overpriced

[dire igloo]

oh yes, please

[night girder]

Tbf, I recognize two brands. AMD and Gigabyte 😄

[ruby patio]

The Inland company website is immature. No drivers or software for many of it's products.

[night girder]

You really went hard on the CPU 😒 My bad, it's USD I think, so 449 should be alright.

[dire igloo]

model over brand

G.Skill RAM is quite known, Deepcool cooler too

[night girder]

Oh yes, G.Skill I heard off.

[dire igloo]

PowerColor makes low-ish end AMD cards and the Red Devil

And Solidigm is one of SK Hynix's sub-brands

Their P44 Pro is essentially a P41 Platinum

[ruby patio]

Had to make a 2nd trip for a 750W power supply. It's a PowerSpec, if that makes any difference. Semi-modular. The only cable I had to use was for the five case fans.

[night girder]

So the drive isn't that bad? Or did I misunderstand you?

[dire igloo]

low end at best, what's the specific model?

[night girder]

You posted screenshots of start-up time so. Lower is better.

[dire igloo]

it's one of the best Gen 4 drives out there, just super overpriced and absolutely overkill fast for gaming

[ruby patio]

PS 750BSM

[night girder]

Ah, I misunderstood you.

[dire igloo]

C speculative on PSU cultists tierlist, good enough for this low power config, but I wouldn't attempt to load it ever

bottom of the barrel type stuff

[night girder]

"and that drive is about as far from good value as it gets" - you mean price/value I guess?

[dire igloo]

curious why you decided against Inland btw

[night girder]

good hardware, overpriced AF? 😄

[dire igloo]

yes, what else does "good value" mean?

[dire igloo]

overkill hardware that's overpriced af

[night girder]

I though you mean the drive was far from good. Like on the opposite of the scale of good 😂 A.k.a. shit 😄

[dire igloo]

not even a second faster than the 860 Evo - which is a SATA drive

and gets beaten by SN570 in both tests, which is an entry-level NVMe

the point of those tests is to show that it doesn't matter how fast your SSD is as long as it's an SSD

*for OS and games

[night girder]

mhm, yes, ROI (return of investment)

[ruby patio]

I had an Inland keyboard mouse combo where the software to control the LEDs did not exist, and found no drivers for the SSD I'd purchased to replace a failing Corsair SSD

[dire igloo]

also, avoiding Inland is a stupid thing to do imo. Avoiding their low low end drives is fine, but they have a fairly solid lineup

[night girder]

did you try open source RGB software? openrgb.org <- I used it for a few years. Not all hardware is supported.

[dire igloo]

also, SSDs need firmware, not drivers. But yeah, software/firmware support is quite spotty - because it's an inhouse brand

[charred pewter]

(btw, i do apologize for my outburst, but thats all im going to say on the matter)

[dire igloo]

doesn't mean it's to be avoided tho

[night girder]

I tried to DM you. You blocked me

[dire igloo]

because unless you're on a Samsung SSD, firmware isn't that important anyway

[ruby patio]

No, I didn't. I was reading a lot of comments from people who also couldn't find the software, and no-one had an alternate suggestion.

[dire igloo]

do you NEED that software tho?

I didn't install firmware for any of my drives

if they're made well, they're plug and play

[night girder]

And Windows has you covered 🙂 Windows tries to install most basic drivers/firmware/code for the hardware you have. It's shipped within their updates, so you wont see it.

Unless you have disabled that.

[ruby patio]

No, updates are enabled.

[night girder]

you can always check under device manager what is running.

[dire igloo]

anyways, Inland exclusively uses Phison controllers anbd sources their NAND flash from Micron and Kioxia

[ruby patio]

But I was having a lot of trouble with my previous setup. Old Sabertooth MB, and not finding OEM drivers for things was frustrating while I was trying to fix it.

[night girder]

So in my case, Lexar is just using the microsoft driver.

[dire igloo]

so they range from shitty E8/E13T plus 64L TLC or 96L QLC to E18 with 176L TLC or E26 with 232L TLC

[dire igloo]

what if the OEM designs their product around microsoft's included default drivers?

[night girder]

It is. Look at the driver date. 2006. I mean, can't speak for all brands though 😊

[dire igloo]

then they have less work to do in terms of also designing their own firmware

only very few companies make their own firmware

and iirc they all are 100% sourced in-house (Samsung, WD, SK hynix)

[night girder]

Wouldn't be surprised if the driver is a standard for drives.

[dire igloo]

and in case of samsung, an error in the wear leveling functionality of their firmware made the drives degrade very rapidly

granted, that issue is fixed by now and it's highly unlikely for you to see it in the dark

just now that OEM supplied firmware is not as great as you think it is

[dire igloo]

I mean, there's three major manufacturers of controllers (Maxio, Phison, Silicon Motion) and they all essentially use default drivers

[night girder]

Probably also no need to costum drivers. And firmware (for most brands).

[dire igloo]

If you make your controllers in-house you have the choice

[ruby patio]

You should make Youtube videos to correct those already out there. Most that I've watched are crazy about OEM drivers.

[night girder]

yes, but it should also add benefits. Like a feature that's not possible with the default drivers for example.

If there is no need to reivent the wheel, why do it? This is mostly my opinion.

[gilded helm]

Chiming in to say this would be a great add, because TPU is one of the best resources specifically on drivers, so it's not a 'random' tech website.

[dire igloo]

there's a bunch of misinformed, over-cautious or half-educated youtubers out there.
It's not about putting the right video out there, those already exist. It's about finding the right creators

[dire igloo]

https://www.techpowerup.com/ is already added

only their CDN isn't

[night girder]

Tell me about it 😦

[dire igloo]

prime example: LTT

[night girder]

A lot of times I notice, tech YT creator with 500 subscribers gives way more accurate and detailed information than the big ones.

[dire igloo]

J2C goes into the same direction: great for entertainment, meh for reviews and education

[night girder]

He also loves a bit of drama 😄

[dire igloo]

RIPGN was dope

[night girder]

Still think GN, as a big youtuber, is the best.

[dire igloo]

ehhhh, they also have their issues. Their videos are very dry and hard to digest

[night girder]

Out of the three, Linus, Jay and GN?

[dire igloo]

they make a great job at producing trustworthy reliable data

[night girder]

And you want facts on the hardware?

[dire igloo]

but a horrible job at presenting it (imo)

[gilded helm]

Jarrod has somehow manage to surpass pretty much all established press when it comes to laptops, which is frankly a little disappointing. Is there any equivalent to Jarrod for prebuilt desktops?

[night girder]

I do agree with you on that. But it's a trade off.

[dire igloo]

hardware unboxed

[night girder]

It's either: be entertaining or be educational. And they balance around that. Some are more entertaining, but not very educational. Some are very educational, but not really entertaining. Unless hearing straight facts for dozens of minutes is your entertainment.

[dire igloo]

or written reviews by TPU/TH

[stray badger]

Jarrod is awesome

There are so many different versions of desktops that testing them all like laptops can be hard

[dire igloo]

educational and a good understanding of didactics go hand in hand

having good data alone doesn't make you educational

[night girder]

In perfect circumstances, yes.

[dire igloo]

being able to properly teach it makes you educational

good data makes you a good source, that's all

[night girder]

Yeah, sorry. But I meant educational, not in the way of transferring information, but more of "he knows what he is talking about".

[gilded helm]

Testing every version isn't necessary, just finding some decent units that I can advise to people who aren't going to build their own.

[dire igloo]

people will use your graphs to form an opinion and prove their claims

[stray badger]

GN does that

[dire igloo]

that's knowledgeable, not educational

[night girder]

GN knows his stuff. Backed up with data and information and tests.

[dire igloo]

he just sucks at presenting

[gilded helm]

Yeah, GN, has some good prebuilt reviews, but they get stuck doing outrage porn sometimes.

[night girder]

But then again, there is google. I just google a lot when he talks. It feels like you need some sort of pre-knowledge to understand his videos.

I wouldn't say GN is the best for someone who is new to PC's.

[dire igloo]

exactly why he's not educational

[night girder]

I would rather suggest old Linus videos to get to known the basics.

[dire igloo]

if you know your stuff and just want the facts, GN is there for you

[ruby patio]

This is incredibly informative, but I have to be elsewhere. I've taken some notes. But in the end, unless something fails, I'll work with what I've put together.

[night girder]

I still loved his video on those burning GPU's. That one was well made.

[dire igloo]

but if you want an easy to understand professional review of something, I'd suggest Hardware Unboxed

[ruby patio]

Last questiong: Who is GN?

[gilded helm]

GN and HUB are nice because they're skimmable. This is why I can't do Jay.

[night girder]

GamerNexus 😄

[night girder]

I don't get Jay 😒 One moment he is making tutorials. Next he is reviewing/unboxing stuff. Then he is reviewing a screwdriver. Then he got sucked into some drama with a girl that got promised a PC but didn't get it or something... and then I stopped watching him.

[dire igloo]

Can you check if your RAM is either sub-1.3V or has a CAS latency of 34 or lower?
If either of those is the case, you got yourself a Hynix kit and can look into tuning timings - Buildzoid has a set of timings that'll work (IF you have Hynix die)

[gilded helm]

It's been so long since I've taken in much of Jay for me to confidently say more, but I'm not in a rush to go back

Honestly, I think Jay might still be around solely due to the fact that he got into the game early.

[dire igloo]

tbf, his hands-on "reviews" are nice if there is no professional review out there.
But since there is, they're meh and nothing more than a first impression. His "proper" reviews are decent to get extra data points.
His tutorials are good, his educational content is acceptable.
I liked his custom water-cooled PC build logs

overall, he falls into the "entertainment" category of tech creators

[dire igloo]

and his custom PC builds for celebrities

[ruby patio]

Digging through the trash to find the package...

[dire igloo]

and the weird janky cooling stuff he did during RIPGN/RIPJAY

[night girder]

To me, J2C and Linus are closer together in content than what GamerNexus is doing.

[dire igloo]

yup, totally agree

[night girder]

but I don't have a particular choice, I just look for specific videos and whatever video gives me what I want, I am happy.

[dire igloo]

to me, GN is so far into educational that he left didactics and just provides data

[night girder]

For example "How to overclock my CPU" ... and if it's GN, Linus, J2C, or someone else. Aslong as the information provided is understandable and trustworthy, I am good.

[dire igloo]

forgot about InnoGrit btw

[night girder]

If I had to choose between 7600X or 7800X3D, I would rather look up some GN data 😛

[dire igloo]

for guides, I'd rather use J2C or Linus for the simple fact that they know didactics

it'll be easier to understand

[night girder]

I once used a tutorial of J2C to understand how MSI afterburner works 😂

[dire igloo]

which is also why you'll rarely see GN make any guides

[dire igloo]

same for me, tho it was FanControl

[night girder]

And from my experience, that was very solid tutorial

[ruby patio]

@dire igloo F5-6000J3636F16GX2-FX5 - Tested Latency 36-36-36-96, Tested Voltage 1.35V

[night girder]

I think that might be a samsung die.

[ruby patio]

Good talk! Thanks everyone!

[dire igloo]

Fairly certain it's Samsung die

[dire igloo]

oooooooh wait, it was a bundle

$500 for CPU, MB and RAM

Yeah, that's dope. Basically got the RAM for free

[night girder]

What what? 😮

[dire igloo]

www.microcenter.com/product/5006637/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d,-gigabyte-b650-gaming-x-ax,-gskill-flare-x5-series-32gb-ddr5-6000-kit,-computer-build-bundle

[night girder]

but on the sticker it has the price of 449 usd for CPU.

So that's 51 for a motherboard and some RAM. Pretty sick bundle.

[stray badger]

The bundle for the 7900x used to be really good

Then the price went up :(

[night girder]

I don't think we have an outlet in Belgium who does hardware bundles.

We just get regular discounts here and there 😛

[stray badger]

I have to drive accross LA so gas cost makes it not worth it anymore

[night girder]

They don't ship?

[stray badger]

Not microcenter

Thats the point, they get u in the store to buy more stuff

[night girder]

Oh, weird. I saw they had a lot of stores around the country. So I assumed they also shipped.

We have Alternate, I think they have two stores in Belgium. Both of them ship.

Nvm. I just found out they have stores in Germany and the Netherlands 😄 So, seems pretty expanded.

[night girder]

Are they aggresive in sale tactics insidde the store? Or they just let you roam and if you need information you know where to find em?

[stray spindle]

Excuse me fellow nerds. I feel like I hit on something of a rather important revelation of why it feels like 5.2GHz has been a practical limit of most processors in recent years. with a die size of 20.253mm on a dimension and therefore a diagonal of 28.64mm being in the ballpark of a wavelength frequency of 10.4Ghz. 10.4 Ghz looks a lot like the maximum traversal from one corner to the other. which consequently for a signal to be useful in a synchronous system controlled by clocks, would need to report back, which would mean starting from a corner, going to an opposite corner, and back again, or 28.64x2, or 10.4Ghz/2

TLDR: It's basically 5.2Ghz because signal speed limits

[dire igloo]

370 elsewhere

and there are comparable mainboards for 140

[night girder]

I see what they did there

[dire igloo]

you can price match at MC tho

they used to have it for 299 once. One guy said his local best buy matched it for him

[dire igloo]

nonono, WE have Alternate. You just get to tap into it

[night girder]

ooh touchy touchy, that german pride 😉

[dire igloo]

you got fries and waffles, it's gotta stop somewhere

[night girder]

and beer! and chocolate! and diamonds!

[stray badger]

they have a lot of cool stuff everywhere

[night girder]

Honestly, I never knew Alternate had so many stores 😒 I though they just had two in Belgium.

[dire igloo]

we got beer, switzerland has chocolate and netherlands has diamonds

[night girder]

but I accidently arrived on the german website of Alternate just now, and saw how many stores they had.

[dire igloo]

sorry

[night girder]

Some would disagree with that.

[dire igloo]

they're literally a German company, based near Frankfurt

[night girder]

One cannot know everything 🤷‍♂️

It's not that I am greeted in German or something when I walk into the store.

or they only play Rammstein. How was I to know 😂

My favorite store is Megekko, because of the low prices (sometimes).

[dire igloo]

Fichtl's Lied is their store anthem

if you ask them, they'll have to play it (as per company policy)

[night girder]

No way 😂

[dire igloo]

I like tweakers

and I'm a personal fan of Galaxus, the Swiss binary 4 towards Amazon

[night girder]

tweakers is my n1 tech website.

[dire igloo]

yeah, absolutely no way. It's completely bogus that I just made up

[night girder]

it's like this discord channel, but with A LOT more people. Very knowledgeable people. Also very funny discussions.

[dire igloo]

you can still ask tho, I bet one of their employees is enough of a chaos enjoyer that they'll do it

[dire igloo]

Kinda like the PCPP server - but that one also has A LOT of noobs

[night girder]

that's not a bad thing. Transfer of knowledge.

unless they constantly behave like brats.

[dire igloo]

eeeeeh

it starts becoming a bad thing when those noobs start giving advice

and a lot of them do act like brats

and then there's the occasional guy that just wants us to reinforce his confirmation bias

has a list, thinks it's great, wants us to agree with him

and gets upset when we don't

[night girder]

oh, that does happen sometimes in here.

[dire igloo]

on the topic of food btw: I think we can all agree that Dutch sausages are the worst

[dire igloo]

much more often there

[night girder]

I am not going to lie, I only visited Germany once. Didn't even eat anything special there.

[dire igloo]

also a couple people that'll see you are knowledgeable and then ping you with every tiny question they have

[night girder]

So I cannot comment on your cuisine 😂

[night girder]

that sounds annoying 😒

[dire igloo]

quite rare, but those are persistent

best thing that can happen to you: they find someone else

[night girder]

I must admit, it's really hard to get into some OC subjects.

[gilded helm]

I think Nvidia should retroactively rename the 3060 12GB the 3060 Super in light of the 3060 8GB.

[night girder]

For example, Infinity Fabric clockspeed and those things.

[dire igloo]

yes, agree

failed marketing

[night girder]

and not always easy to find decent information on google about such querries.

[gilded helm]

I've been very curious about the 5090's memory configuration. It'll either be 24GB using 2GB chips, or have a slightly disabled bus potentially, and be something weird like 33GB with 3GB chips.

[night girder]

I just found this though: en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/infinity_fabric

It has pretty diagrams.

[gilded helm]

It looks like you need to go all the way back to the GTX 200 Tesla series to find Nvidia using a 512 bit bus. And it looks like that was 8 memory chips on each side, for a total of 16. Since then top consumer has been 384 bit bus, with up to 12 memory chips possible. Workstation products will clamshell for up to 24GB. Nvidia won't go backwards from 24GB, so that narrows down the possibilities.

I can actually see them intentionally disabling the memory bus down to 320 for a 30GB configuration, just so they're paying for fewer memory chips.

Then they have a 5090 Ti in their back pocket, or they can make the upgrade to the 6090 feel more dramatic.

[dusk rivet]

what's with shows going from super quiet to super loud every two seconds

have to enable sound equalization just so i could watch a show without adjusting the volume every two seconds

one second it's so quiet i can't hear the dialogue, the next second they're blowing out my eardrums

[wanton orchid]

where the belt work and why putting pipe so close to hub ?

[languid gulch]

usually bad sound mixing

Planet Earth II was a partial letdown for me because they mixed the sound so badly, could barely hear Attenborough

[dusk rivet]

with sound equalization it’s a lot better, but still not perfect

it boosts my game volume even when i have it set fairly low

i want ya to equalize my youtube tab, not my minecraft game

[languid gulch]

i feel like tv & computer software engineers deliberately make bad sound options to keep the audio engineers afloat with their own "solutions"

[twin dew]

Everyone uses normal NVMe drivers.
Just several to choose from if you want, but using the Microsoft one is usually good enough.
Samsung etc. have stopped updating and distributing their NVMe drivers AFAIK, and those drives that they distributed them for could just use Microsoft one too.

And the SSD firmware is on the drive itself, not related to the Windows driver in any way.

[twin dew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=---fHu9jFtw

Just mixing chips and modules at the chip binning/testing stage...
Even when it does test 8 chips at a time, but the pass/fail is per chip...

[languid gulch]

would be fun to see top binned DDR4 vs bottom binned DDR5

[night girder]

How do you check firmware?

nvm. It's literally a tab in device manager it seems.

[twin dew]

For firmware version?
No standard way AFAIK.

Driver in use, Device Manager.

[night girder]

Then what is this? 😒

[twin dew]

Just UEFI related entries that don't give anything usable.

[night girder]

Yeah, noticed. No useful information.

[twin dew]

System Firmware seems to give the UEFI/BIOS version for the new system.

Need device specific software usually to check the actual firmware.
Or some 3rd party "generic" one that supports the specific device.

[night girder]

it's wiki. If you don't agree. Make an account and change it. Good luck debating your change 👍

[twin dew]

But as usually the same software you use to update the firmware is the one you use to check the current one, and if there isn't update available knowing the version string is useless.

[night girder]

it gives me jack information. System Firmware is generic microsoft one too. Sorry, it doesn't even have a driver. It does give information about a drive for some reason. But doesn't actually have a driver.

[twin dew]

Like I said, the Firmware entries in Device Manager are just useless, just UEFI related crap.

[night girder]

So I guess it's filler. Yup 👆

[twin dew]

Just has generic MS driver to not show warning about missing driver.

Which has no files, just INI to give it a name.

And that "System Firmware" is the MB UEFI/BIOS.

[night girder]

device manager can be useless sometimes. also, they need to rethink the UI 😂

[twin dew]

Switching it to the Devices by Connection mode helps sometimes.
But all the Firmware entries just go under "Microsoft UEFI-Compliant System".
Which shows they are just filler entries.

But like I said, you only need to care about firmware version if there is update available.
And that update will contain way to see if it is needed or not.

[night girder]

Eh, I still whished there was a way to get notified of updates for BIOS

but then again, going to the website now and then (if I don't forget) isn't the worst.

speaking of, let me check my chipset drivers before the new year!

Only seems like my PPM provision file driver is a bit outdated, but that has to do with X3D and CCX. So, not even sure why it's installed since I don't have an X3D.

So if I understand correctly, one CCX has access to extra* cache, the other one doesn't. The PPM provision file, monitors for games. When you start gaming, it will drop the standar CCX (without less* cache access) in favor of the better CCX with more* cache.

[twin dew]

Platform Power Management it seems for PPM.
So mostly related to laptops and power management in general.

One version has changelog of "More flexible power slider setting on processor power management in AC vs DC power source" for that.

That cache core optimizer thingie is separate IIRC.

[night girder]

The PPM Provisioning File driver monitors gaming activity. When a game is detected, it is restricted to a single CCX by dynamically parking the second CCX to reduce latency and increase framerates. The CCX with the larger cache is the preferred one. What happens if utilization is high because other tasks run beside the game’s code? In this case, the parked CCX will be automatically enabled again to handle the extra tasks. The abovementioned procedures seem and are complex, and as a programmer, I understand that AMD’s software engineers had a tough time implementing the required routines.

source: wbusters.com/cpu/amd-ryzen-9-7950x3d-cpu-review-performance-thermals-power-analysis/2/

[twin dew]

That is from some random source.
When the actual changelogs for the driver say it does different things.

[night girder]

says the same thing there on reddit 🤷‍♂️

[twin dew]

Because bad information tends to run laps when the actual one isn't told anywhere really?

[night girder]

it's all over the internet 😒

even www.pcgamer.com/amd-ryzen-9-7950x3d-review-benchmarks/

[twin dew]

Moment

[twin dew]

There is completely separate "AMD 3D V-Cache Performance Optimizer Driver".

[night girder]

I mean, that's what I meant a few days/week ago. It's sometimes so frustrating to know which information is correct and which isn't when it comes to details. AMD provides little information.

[twin dew]

That handles what all those entries are talking about

And the PPM is generic power management driver.

Which you can verify by looking into the old release notes for the driver versions, and seeing the Change Details.
Like the one I pasted earlier for PPM.

[night girder]

yeah, I found some PPM release notes on amd website talking about power management.

but so weird, why would AMD use PPM, to also regulate X3D related features suchs as CCX switching. Wouldn't it be better if they called it differently to avoid confusion?

[twin dew]

Because they don't?
And someone just said it did and the "information" went around the internet?

[twin dew]

Like I said, the release notes have that separate "AMD 3D V-Cache Performance Optimizer Driver" that only shows up when you install them with X3D CPU installed.

[night girder]

That's a AMD picture no?

AMD is the source.

[twin dew]

Probably marketing making bad slide?

[night girder]

It's not false information.

[twin dew]

Because if the PPM was related to that, they would need the other one that is V-Cache specific.

And I said that it was probably marketing mistake when they meant the other driver.
Or the functionality was split since that slide was made.

And it was originally both, and then someone realised that that was stupid and it was split.

Might have been split in 5.02.19.2221?

https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/rn-ryzen-chipset-5-02-19-2221

[night girder]

good find 👍

[twin dew]

(Pre)release slides can have technical mistakes in them.
Because they are made by the marketing team with old information.

[night girder]

Yeah, sorry going to be blunt.

But no wonder people spread misinformation.

[twin dew]

There is the PPM driver that is installed on all systems.
And then that V-Cache Optimizer that only gets installed on systems with X3D CPU.

[night girder]

with a * that at one point PPM did what the V-cache optimization does, or atleast the CCX part.

[twin dew]

Possibly.
Might have never released in that state.

[night girder]

and they did the right thing and put it in it's own driver. Indeed; probably.

[twin dew]

But found the reason why the wrong info is all around.

When the PPM is generic power management one that has been around forever, but the original plan was to force the 7900X3D & 7950X3D multi-CCD V-cache logic to it, but in the end it was split into separate driver.
That most people never see, as it is shown in the installer for only 7000-series X3D CPU owners.

But need to always remember that the slide decks are made by marketing side.
And might be based on misunderstood or outdated information.

[wanton orchid]

I was joking about it getting close to satisfactory build graphs

[night girder]

Haha, sorry, I didn't get it 😉 Sometimes I don't even know who is joking here anymore and who isn't. Except a few.

also, I am sick and on medication, so my minds all over the place 😂

[wanton orchid]

no problem 👍

[jagged snow]

New phone showed up today & they shipped me the wrong color

[tough owl]

What phone were you expecting? A

[jagged snow]

I bought a oneplus 9, they shipped me purple instead of black

[night girder]

Ah that sucks 😒

but atleast is functional 🤷‍♂️

[jagged snow]

Yup

Flashing lineageos now, we'll see how it goes

I do not want oxygenOS spyware on my phone

🗿 can't get the oneplus usb drivers to work

@edgy hazel did you do the lineage flash from windows?

[edgy hazel]

MacOS

[jagged snow]

Dang

I'm finding really confused information on the oneplus adb drivers

The semi-official installer didn't get me what I needed, and everywhere else says that they should be visible when the phone is connected over usb

I was planning to have this done by now

[edgy hazel]

Remeber to enable USB debugging

On the phone