off-topic-tech

[edgy hazel]

I already got you babe

[mental oriole]

More shitposting I see.

[twin dew]

<@&387163995947270144> Newbie didn't read #rules, #welcome or the actual channel names or topics, started using wrong channels and got butthurt for being told.

[arctic pike]

💀

this kid not real

[charred pewter]

resorting to name calling is not really a good way to urge your point

[arctic pike]

https://tenor.com/view/old-guy-selfie-blink-glasses-stare-gif-16152652

[soft bloom]

So i got a bit of paranoia, and went to test my wifi against common hacking atack, and... Rockyou list didn't

also on the topic of fans: its not pump port and it seems to be fine for last few days...

[soft bloom]

so now i'm wandering what is not as expected

[charred pewter]

quiet in here =] everyone enjoying their new tech today

[edgy hazel]

hello everypony

[charred pewter]

airy pony

[night girder]

if you call whiskey new tech, then yeah

[charred pewter]

LOL

[edgy hazel]

I'm crunk on gin tonic and apple wine

[charred pewter]

new years eve...... new years eve

[edgy hazel]

new years is for lighting fireworks

https://tenor.com/view/really-tell-me-more-snoop-dogg-oh-really-oh-come-on-gif-12502302

[languid gulch]

ngl i love seeing drones replacing fireworks

[night girder]

the drones exploding?

[languid gulch]

lol

[mental oriole]

Fireworks overrated anyways.

[charred pewter]

i got a bottle of sake ready for new years eve 😄

[edgy hazel]

I do enjoy the ingenuity of humans to mix different shit to make fun explosions. But rockets and shit are just trash producers. I'm a big fan of batteries

[languid gulch]

they can just do so much more than any fireworks show could ever hope to, & there's a much lower risk of things going boom

[edgy hazel]

but htey're so boring

[night girder]

not if they go boom.

[edgy hazel]

bro just wants to blow up drones

[mental oriole]

Sounds good to me

[languid gulch]

i mean, i know of a few places where that's been happening regularly recently

[mental oriole]

Still annoyed the snuttsgood emote isnt called thumbs snutt.

[edgy hazel]

thumbs snupp

[mental oriole]

[edgy hazel]

[charred pewter]

[night girder]

[sharp oasis]

So far good avg

I'll see how my new fitbit reads at the end of the week

[visual tree]

Here is a video I recorded some time ago when I bought a firework battery

The box wasn't cheap though

[soft bloom]

not funny

but yeah, there are such places.
just please don't be naive enough to donate money on them - it wont go where you wont it to go

[jagged snow]

I hate it
At least in part because I volunteer on the Pyro crew for my local show

[sharp oasis]

Oh fun

[jagged snow]

It's understandable in urban areas, but doesn't really come close to a good Pyro show

[sharp oasis]

Oh fr

Holy fuck

My fitbit charges super fast

[jagged snow]

Small batt, tends to do that

[sharp oasis]

Supposed to last a few days too

[sharp oasis]

I'm buying a 6700XT off a freind

Thankfully he's letting me pay in parts

Bc I am dumping all my xmas gift money into paying him

[edgy hazel]

next time don't tighten the screws too much ;D

[sharp oasis]

Hmm yes screw too tight and a VRM fails.

[edgy hazel]

Idk why you pulled it apart in the first place

"To clean" is such a stupid reasoning

[sharp oasis]

Poor thermal prefomance

Repaste and clean

Repaste went well

VRM decided to commit die

[charred pewter]

my first 980ti 'popped' when i turned it on ...

evga replaced it

[sharp oasis]

And we know what happens when vrms die. It's a 50/50 chance it just destroyes the sillicon

[sharp oasis]

Asrock won't replace it eveb if I hadent broke the sticker

[jagged snow]

I still hold to the theory that there was something messed up with your thermal pads after the repaste and that's what cooked the vrm

[edgy hazel]

Yeah its 100% RMA before i pull it apart for that

[charred pewter]

i miss evga as a gpu provider ... they had impecible customer support

and a step-up program

[sharp oasis]

Asrock doesn't wanna ever respond to emails or phone calls

[charred pewter]

imagine evga doing amd gpus ... shame

[sharp oasis]

Unless I litterally harass them for weeks to even hear one thing

[edgy hazel]

@sharp oasis man you can try all you want. This one is on you

[sharp oasis]

Not buying asrock again

Oh it's on me ik

[charred pewter]

i finally got a response from corsair about the 12vhpwr cable .... it only took them 3 weeks =p

and they didnt even answer the question LOL

[sharp oasis]

Took asrock 3.5 weeks to even respond to the first inquiry

[edgy hazel]

Learn from it. Its a really expensive way to learn tho

[sharp oasis]

Already learnt

One. Dont but asrock period.

[charred pewter]

painful learning experience, these days, with how expensive gpus are

[sharp oasis]

Two. Rma as soon as it shows signs of trouble

[charred pewter]

yeah, lesson 1 is 'dont try to fix it yourself' ..... RMA!

[edgy hazel]

I miss the times of proper 200$ gpus

[sharp oasis]

But I am buying a brand new XFX 6700XT off a freind

I pay him in segments whenever I have cash

[jagged snow]

Which one?

[edgy hazel]

XFX is nice

[sharp oasis]

XFX merc 309 I think

[edgy hazel]

I got one so I'm biased

[jagged snow]

Some of the xfx cards use the same coldplate design as that asrock cards and have the exact same issue with high hotspot temps from it pulling away

[sharp oasis]

Seems the 6700XT is plagued with problems

[jagged snow]

Oh nice
Iirc they only had slight problems of the swift/speedster line

[jagged snow]

Only if you buy the absolute cheapest skus

[sharp oasis]

That makes sence

Shit

It's a swift 309 sorry

[jagged snow]

Oh, you'll probably run into the same issue eventually then

Xfx support is massively better though

Especially if you use the online chat portal

[sharp oasis]

Yeah

Yeah never buying asrock period now

[edgy hazel]

that's like "I crashed my BMW into a wall, never buying them again"

[sharp oasis]

No

I'm fine with I fucked my gpu

Ik I did that, but the support is atrocious

[edgy hazel]

yeah

BMW

[sharp oasis]

Real

[edgy hazel]

but tbh if you went with "I have thermal issues" to the shop that sold you it, you wouldn't even have to contact asrock

only after you fucked it up the shop went (understandably) "please contact asrock"

[sharp oasis]

By the time I had thermal issues newegg would not accept returns

I have one month from purchase date for returns

Had*

[edgy hazel]

nah that's the return period, not the warranty period

thermal issues 100% fall under warranty

[sharp oasis]

Asrock not responding to my first warranty inquiry before I went and tryed to fix the therm issue myself

[edgy hazel]

I know this mf doesn't have warranty anymore

[sharp oasis]

Real

[edgy hazel]

Tbh its just a question of "how good can my printer print on sticker paper"

And "would it be convincing enough"

[charred pewter]

purdy

as for g-sync stickers on monitors... i dont like any of those dang stickers they put on my stuff !!!!

ive got a stack of those 'badges' too that come with (used too) boards/cards/cpus etc

[edgy hazel]

I take stickers and put em on my laptop

[dusk rivet]

Do any of yall have home servers?

[edgy hazel]

I'm gonna get my work to set up a "lab" once I'm back from vacation

[edgy hazel]

but to answer your question: no unless you count an old af raspi as home server

[dusk rivet]

dream server would be a little 4u thing with a ups, nas, and home gaming server

could do 1u nas, and gaming server, then 2u ups to the other server components, and pc

[edgy hazel]

UPS you want seperately lmao

[jagged snow]

I have in the past
Currently no but I'd like to get a homelab going again with a full rack

Historically it was just a second pc in a closet though

[dusk rivet]

maybe i'll invest in it a couple years down the line

bit out of my budget rn though

just curious if yall did

[edgy hazel]

something like this?

[tough owl]

cosplaying a sysadmin

next halloween

[dusk rivet]

4u thing like this

[tough owl]

thats like 2 u

[dusk rivet]

it's 4u

[edgy hazel]

get yourself some room for a patch panel my man

[tough owl]

smallest 4u ive ever seen

[dusk rivet]

Patch Panel?

[gilded helm]

https://www.newegg.com/p/1W9-00CV-00032?Item=9SIA4REJY59691

Currently the leading contender for my $20 Newegg gift card

[dusk rivet]

not going to be doing much networking

and said connections are in the back where i already want them

might go 6u for some breathing room

[edgy hazel]

a home server/lab needs some flexability

[tough owl]

quality is gonna suck but if you think its worth it then feel free

[gilded helm]

How bad could a screwdriver be?

[edgy hazel]

a patch panel with some keystome slots will help you a ton

[dusk rivet]

gonna be doing as little networking as possible

[tough owl]

bits will be fine, everything else gonna suck

[dusk rivet]

would maybe just be a ethernet cable going to my pc to connect to the nas

then ofc a ethernet cable for the server

[gilded helm]

How do you screw up tweezers? I had the same vague feeling, part of the intrigue is the curiosity 😛

[tough owl]

tips bend too easily

[edgy hazel]

you got eth, usb, etc keystones. anything you might want to access/connect

having some flexibility is very helpful

you usually get a 3-5 pack of whatever connector you need for 5-10 bucks

(don't go usb-c, these keystones fucking suuuuck)

[dusk rivet]

don't really need any of the cabling to go to the front

the server would be at my desk

[tough owl]

flew my drone some more today, I got this picture out of it

[edgy hazel]

Oh i know what you wanna do

Dont

[dusk rivet]

no under desk home lab with a shit load of cables running in the back?

[tough owl]

drive.proton.me/urls/SRPS06NJ3C#7KyRgD5jCnya

[edgy hazel]

Most rack Mount stuff doesnt have their IO at the back

[tough owl]

only power

[edgy hazel]

Yup

[dusk rivet]

oh

got it...

[gilded helm]

I guess I should just chill out and sit on the Newegg gift card for a while

[dusk rivet]

the ups and the nas i found have em at the back, but the game server it's at the front

again not buying this anytime soon, i just like looking at stuff

[edgy hazel]

just leave some space for a patch panel and some future additions

like 6/8U total

[dusk rivet]

Fair enough

the tiny UI on the 1440p monitor is definitely an adjustment

guess i should have expected that lol

[edgy hazel]

and it's not like a patch panel is expensive

(it's the keystones where they get you)

(and cables)

[dusk rivet]

how would one connect a pc in an office, to a server in a coat closet, with only 1 ethernet connection

coat closet also has the router

assuming just nas and gaming server

[edgy hazel]

there are a lot of variables missing to answer your question

a temporary answer would be: switch

[dusk rivet]

so just connect all to wifi router, and use said wifi connection to connect to the nas and game server?

[edgy hazel]

move away from wifi my dude

[dusk rivet]

i meant internet connection

[edgy hazel]

okay, connect all to switch and then to a router

assuming it's a consumer router you don't have that much space

[dusk rivet]

2 ethernet connections to the router

2 available that is

[edgy hazel]

great so you want to have your PC to a switch to the router and your servers to a switch and the router

[dusk rivet]

a lot simpler than i thought it'd be at first thought

[gilded helm]

I also don't get the design language of the screw mat, how is that supposed to be useful?

[dusk rivet]

then i could stuff the ugly server in a coat closet and pretend it doesn't exist as long as it's functioning

[edgy hazel]

if you want to put another switch between your 2 switches and your router that's your choice

that'd only require one cable to the router

[dusk rivet]

would need,
Router- switch - Server bits
. - wall- cable - wall - switch - the two pcs

[edgy hazel]

this would prolly be your best option

leaving free another slot on your router for other stuff while taking some load off of it which is being taken care of by the switches

(draw.io is a great tool to plan your shit)

but I'm also very drunk at this point so take it with a grain of salt

(for the future "uuhhmm acktuali" people: please keep in mind that this is consumer hardware)

[dusk rivet]

looks good

[cyan crescent]

Site:please disable your blocker
Me:you fucking idiots. I dont have a blocker

[dusk rivet]

Me: now i may have a blocker, but fuck off, idc

[cyan crescent]

If ads werent so intrusive, then people wouldnt use ad block

[dusk rivet]

exactly

funny that more people now use ad blockers on youtube most likely because they started trying to crack down on ad blockers

[cyan crescent]

I used to have pi hole.

Couldn’t be detected

[dusk rivet]

i have an ad blocker, and a sponsor blocker

[cyan crescent]

What is there that i can use on my iphone?

[dusk rivet]

some stuff for firefox iirc

[edgy hazel]

no

[dusk rivet]

otherwise, bit sol

[edgy hazel]

every browser for iOS is basically just a safari reskin

your choice is DNS based ad-blocking or switching to android

[dusk rivet]

apple would have to majorly f up to get me to switch to android

[edgy hazel]

only android based firefox allows extensions

[dusk rivet]

way too used to ios

[cyan crescent]

I switched to ios cuz i hated the shit android was doing. Not going back

[edgy hazel]

android is sadly not as centralized as iOS is

or luckily

depending on how you want to lay it out

[cyan crescent]

Constant ui reskins, countless amounts of data on my phone I couldn’t delete without resetting the phone, forcing bixby on me and other stuff

[edgy hazel]

to get back to your point: basically only pihole/adguard

[dusk rivet]

the one thing apple does well is data security

[cyan crescent]

“BuT aNdRoId HaS mOrE cUsToMiZaTiOn” i dont give a fuck

I never changed the look of my previous android phones

[edgy hazel]

these cUsToMiZaTiOnS also include being able to block ads easily

or being able to install random github apps

[dusk rivet]

we get sideloading in the EU eventually on IOS

[cyan crescent]

My iphone isn’t storing 50GB of “other data” that i cant erase

[edgy hazel]

you can

[cyan crescent]

I already fucking tried

[edgy hazel]

I just installed a custom ROM yesterday. Don't fucking lie to me

[cyan crescent]

I dont know how to do that shit, also, the only way to erase it was to do a phone reset

[edgy hazel]

you can do it. It just requires some effort. No matter what you do on iOS, you're bound to what apple allows

jailbreaking is basically dead

[cyan crescent]

I aint switching back to android

[edgy hazel]

that's your choice and also the easy choice

[cyan crescent]

I didnt do custom roms and i dont feel the need or want to jailbreak. Im fine where im at

I dont need to fancy up my phone using a custom skin

[edgy hazel]

I don't hold it against you in any way. But just know that you can do stuff on android which you 100% can't do on iOS

[cyan crescent]

Can i change my wallpaper? Yes? Good enough for me

[cyan crescent]

Stuff that doesn’t apply to me cuz i dont need or want to do it

[edgy hazel]

tbh one of the stuff you just asked for is adblock

[cyan crescent]

Which i just downloaded the brave browser. Problem solved

Didnt know it was an ios app but i guess it is

It has adblock built in

[edgy hazel]

brave adblock will work for another 6 months

[cyan crescent]

It still works so idc

[edgy hazel]

it's just dns based adblock which will die with manifest v3

[cyan crescent]

Well i will figure it out when that happens then

For now tho, idc

If i need to jump through hoops in order to fix something about the os that shouldn’t be an issue in the first place, then the os sucks.

[tough owl]

Proton vpn has its own Adblock thing and it’s pretty good on mobile so I’m clear on that

[cyan crescent]

Haven’t jumped through a single hoop on ios.

[edgy hazel]

again, that's depending on how big your legs are

I just walk through these hoops. Others gotta jump

[tough owl]

Didn’t you do custom rom on your s9?

[edgy hazel]

I'm on my second ROM yes

[tough owl]

💀

lineage?

[edgy hazel]

arrowOS -> lineageOS

[tough owl]

I’m on iOS 17.3

[edgy hazel]

so is my work phone 💀

[tough owl]

why tf is your work phone on a beta

[edgy hazel]

brother I'm in IT ops

[tough owl]

I know but like that’s dumb imo

[edgy hazel]

I need to know if shit works homie

[tough owl]

wait till it’s stable

Then push to everyone else

[edgy hazel]

we like to stay ahead of the curve

dev needs to pre plan and we can't afford to have 2 phones/user for them to also use their phone as actual work phones you know

[tough owl]

Tf you makin over there? Next AAA mobile iOS game?

[edgy hazel]

brother we're working with millions

[tough owl]

Also photos app on macOS has a spot healing brush and it does a decent job

[charred pewter]

had to use one phone in normal and sandbox mode ... apple makes it a pain to switch, so yeah, helps to have TWO phones

[edgy hazel]

yeah but two phones ist just so expensive

two iPhones*

[charred pewter]

unless you find a lesser model, used ... dont need a sim card to put it in sandbox mode

[edgy hazel]

A lesser model works for like a year or two until it doesn't get the new iOS

[charred pewter]

lol true

stupid ios updates every damned 6 months

[edgy hazel]

iOS is great and all for seniors or lazy people but idk why this shit is still so prevelant in the business world

I guess its a "our business is doing so good we can afford iphones for our employees" type thing

[cyan crescent]

Is there any custom pc maker like origin pc that does amd gpus as well?

[sharp oasis]

Litterally no one bc the nvidia bias is extreme

[cyan crescent]

Fuck Nvidia tbh.

Their gpus are getting too big, too expensive and way too power hungry

And i hate the fact that they have that stupid new connector

[gilded helm]

Power consumption is just Nvidia giving consumers what they want.

I don't even know how many care much about GPUs getting physically large. There's no technical reason they need to do that, and AIB partners can make smaller ones.

[tough owl]

not at the power draw of 4080/4090 cards

[sharp oasis]

Wasint there a smaller heatsink design for the 4080/4090 from some aibs

That worked perfectly fine

That took it from a quad slot gpu to a dual slot

[tough owl]

Maybe idk. Haven’t been into pc parts the last 6 months

[gilded helm]

But that's the thing, they also don't need to draw that much power.

[tough owl]

definitely not but people buy them and so nvidia keeps making them

[gilded helm]

The 4090 is a great 300W card for anyone who wants it to be. But for as long as I have followed PC hardware people turn the dials up, not down.

Or whatever the sweet spot is DerBauer found in his day 1 review

[tough owl]

also intel needs to get their stuff together with cpu power draw

[gilded helm]

Yeah, Intel cranks their power because they need to. Nvidia does it because their users are going to do that anyway.

[tough owl]

I hope intel 7 on desktop changes is

Wait no intel 4

whatever new mobile lithography is

[jagged snow]

They're going to 20a next, right?

They might be calling it intel 4

[tough owl]

I mean intel ultra is out

And I think it’s intel 4 already idk

Meteor lake@

[gilded helm]

They can give it whatever stupid name they want, as long as it works well

I thought Superfin was a cool name, but they dropped that sort of thing

[tough owl]

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteor_Lake

[gilded helm]

Yep, DerBauer talks about how the 4090 should have been a 300W card with a smaller cooler. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60yFji_GKak&t=876s

The 7900 XTX is apparently a 355W card, so it's actually ahead of the 4080 in theory. But cooling chips in the 300W range isn't anything new or fancy.

[jagged snow]

Honestly it's crazy that a card like the 4090 can shave 100w and loose <10%

[gilded helm]

Huh, the Fermi GTX 480 was only 250W, though it was the combination of instability that made Fermi so bad.

Fermi was probably Nvidia's last truly bad architecture.

[jagged snow]

And they did all 250w in a blower 😅

[sharp oasis]

Lol

[pure karma]

spent like 15 hours redoing my setup

atleast it looks decent ish or atleast better

[pure karma]

defedently much cleaner and more practical just there a lot of cables freaking everywhere

[maiden coyote]

Green.

No ups?

[pure karma]

yea a lot of green....

dad even painted the room

i dident even ask he just had green paint and just started painting and i was just like.... ok

[maiden coyote]

You could probably use zip ties to secure all the cables and the power strip to the underside of desk.

I recommend getting a ups too. Protect your pc.

[twin dew]

Overvoltage protection can be done without UPS.

[sharp oasis]

Isint that thing already partly damaged anyway (still get a surge protector)

[twin dew]

UPS is only needed if you have power outtages or brownouts.

[maiden coyote]

Your hardware. Not mine.

[twin dew]

Because you need REALLY expensive UPS before the UPS part does anything that proper surge protector wouldn't.

[sharp oasis]

I have a surge protector my area is not prone to power outages

[maiden coyote]

I'll admit the standby ups's you get arnt that good.. online ups's are where it's at

[twin dew]

For most, the UPS part only kicks in for undervoltage.
And getting even that level of UPS for gaming PC level of load is expensive.

[gilded helm]

A really expensive UPS will probably double as a nice car camping battery if that's of interest.

[maiden coyote]

But i like having as much protection as possible.

[sharp oasis]

I have what I deem practical

For my area

[twin dew]

And the UPS only protects against data corruption anyways, for not having uncontrolled shutdown from power outtage.

[maiden coyote]

We get bad storms here. Really bad. Lighting hits are not that uncommon.

[sharp oasis]

Fair

[twin dew]

And UPS doesn't protect against that.
Surge Protector protects somewhat, and most UPS include that.
The only real protection is to disconnect.

So you can just get 50e high-end surge protector, not UPS, to get the same protection.

Against lightning.

[maiden coyote]

Eventually I'd like to build my own online ups.

The in built surge protection plus power strips help. As well as when the power goes out.

This, some 12v deepcycle lead acids, and a 1kW sinewave inverter.

[gilded helm]

https://www.amazon.com/Soundcore-Waterproof-Bluetooth-Explosive-Resistance/dp/B07LBMJ98L
Speakers Maximum Output Power: 100 Watts

[twin dew]

Do they specify with what duty cycle or distortion?

Easy to have high max peak with insane distortion.
When RMS with 0.1% distortion or less is the normal spec.

[gilded helm]

Nope, it's predictably useless for an Amazon page, other Soundcore products have similarly useless specs.

[twin dew]

Seen max quoted with 10% distortion for example XD

[gilded helm]

I probably should go down a whole rabbit whole figuring out good portable speakers, starting with the power output and battery size sweet spots.

[maiden coyote]

https://www.amazon.com/Bose-SoundLink-Micro-Bluetooth-speaker/dp/B0748N1BZD/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=1X727LA1IQQ9W&keywords=bose+portable+bluetooth+speaker&qid=1703575358&sprefix=bose+port%2Caps%2C282&sr=8-3 I found one of these at work. It's pretty good

For that price.. if size isn't an issue https://www.amazon.com/Makita-XRM08B-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Bluetooth/dp/B01JRN1MNE I have one of these. It's loud and sounds good.

These are good too, much better than the bose. Not as good as the makita. https://www.amazon.com/JBL-Waterproof-Portable-Bluetooth-Speaker/dp/B07QK2SPP7/ref=asc_df_B07QK2SPP7/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=366402654398&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15388947533743848173&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9025296&hvtargid=pla-789572967962&psc=1&mcid=4c25b979b64834259e25523718c632b9&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=74513439285&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=366402654398&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15388947533743848173&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9025296&hvtargid=pla-789572967962&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI6_Gv4MmsgwMVT2tHAR1ruAuQEAQYASABEgL8aPD_BwE

[gilded helm]

I'm actually looking for a small pair, yeah. Ideally not much more than 2" in any dimension. 10" wide is fine.

Skinny enough to throw a couple within one of my briefcase cavities, basically.

[visual tree]

I accidentally discovered today Roomba can be used for mapping wi-fi signal coverage

The area with poor signal is where my computer is but I have ethernet jacks on the wall so the weak signal doesn't really bother me

[edgy hazel]

Bro who gerrymandered your house

[tough owl]

I mean you probably could do the same with an android phone with gps but interesting nonetheless

[visual tree]

Yeah, I know. Wasn't expecting a vacuum cleaner to offer something like this though lol

[charred pewter]

so day after christmas .... guess its time to take the trees down ...

https://tenor.com/view/cat-christmas-tree-jump-gif-15595827

[tawdry aurora]

Nono, it's second Christmas day

[charred pewter]

highly tecnical way 😄

[twin dew]

You keep them until Epiphany?

[charred pewter]

i take mine down on jan 1st

[dire igloo]

I'm celebrating Knut once I feel like it - you don't get to throw a christmas tree from your 3rd floor balcony that often

[charred pewter]

if i put a dead battery (needs charging) into a UPS, and it immediately BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEps .... does it mean its just a bad battery, no charge will work ?

ive had a 'spare' battery for this small UPS at my mothers... its been in the closet for 2 years, never used. expect its dead, but is it dead dead

[dusk rivet]

i just realized floating point numbers are called that because where the decimal is, floats

i am an idiot, truly

[sharp oasis]

Don't feel bad till a wile ago I didn't know what it meant at all

[edgy hazel]

you know what's between hard and software?

firmware

[dire igloo]

wanted to say that, read Herg already said it, dangit

[cinder moon]

Today's programming solution involved taking an object, converting it to a string (json), parsing it to an object and then serialising it into json again.
Which is frankly stupid. And sadly works perfectly.

[mental oriole]

My inner demon screaming from reading that.

[cinder moon]

I needed to serialise an array of objects from a library in Python.
It includes circular references and lots of traps so normal json parsing doesn't work.
It supports calling str(object) to get the string representation of a json object, but I need to serialise an array of these.
So the best option was to build the array by calling list.append(json.dumps(str(object))) to get an array of simple objects, then serialise it all at once again at the end. >.>

I'm not happy but it works.

[mental oriole]

So str returns a json representation of the object???

If it works... but I'm screaming reading that 😂

[cinder moon]

It returns a stringified json version of the object!

It's better than the last code I wrote for this. A house of cards of checking specific attributes and types and manually, recursively deeply copying only the primitive values, objects and arrays.

[mental oriole]

Shudders... As long it works.

[gilded helm]

Sure enough MLID put out that nothingburger Blackwell "leak" and now there's a bunch of puff pieces about it on tech news sites.

[edgy hazel]

I guess the intel wasn't very good

[gilded helm]

Pretty much all of us can predict the performance for Blackweel because it's probably just monolithic N3 of some sort.

The alternative is newer N4 and bigger dies.

[edgy hazel]

everybody sleeping on the N8

https://tenor.com/view/pun-bad-joke-tearable-puns-gif-5206168

[charred pewter]

shame python doesnt just have json_encode() 😄

[edgy hazel]

wait I though python does support json stuff

(I'm not a nerd. I don't do programming)

[charred pewter]

i dont know enough of python to know, but the person above was trying to serialize an object to json, and thats something built into php... so guessing python doesnt have such

... or maybe it was a class asignment that you have to roll your own serializer instead of using the built-in one... which seems like a collasal waste of time 😄

[edgy hazel]

currently looking into it and the first example I see is a dnd thingy (I just ordered my first dice today the first campaign I'm joining in jan)

[charred pewter]

in-person campagin?

[edgy hazel]

    def __init__(self, level, ability_scores=None):
        self.level = level
        self.ability_scores = {
            "str": 11, "dex": 12, "con": 10,
            "int": 16, "wis": 14, "cha": 13
        } if ability_scores is None else ability_scores
        self.hp = 10 + self.ability_scores["con"]```

[edgy hazel]

nah discord

[charred pewter]

oh 😦

i miss the days of doing Heroes Quest in-person with friends...

[edgy hazel]

but we will be rolling with real dice and I have some friends running something I could do in-person stuff with

all depending on how I actually like it

[charred pewter]

😄

[edgy hazel]

but I played bg3, all exandria unlimited and started vox machina

roleplaying gonna be cringe but I'll try to embrace it and get over it

kinda sick of being serious and cool all the time

[night girder]

😂 I am watching the descent into Avernus on YT atm.

[edgy hazel]

dnd going mainstream is kinda great tbh

[night girder]

Eh, wanted to know more about Elturel.

[edgy hazel]

(I will lose a fortune on dice)

I haven't even played it one time and I'm already down 30€

[night girder]

bg3 is going to keep me busy for a loooooooong time 😛

[edgy hazel]

🤨

https://tenor.com/view/car-wash-mr-krabs-shaking-spongebob-hot-pants-gif-16939901

I'm sorry

but that's the worst typo

[night girder]

🤷‍♂️

just a typo

[edgy hazel]

o

[dire igloo]

Good night y'all
https://pcpartpicker.com/b/j39NnQ

[edgy hazel]

a 120 AIO

[stray badger]

Nice looking keycaps

[edgy hazel]

love em

bit furry I guess

and it also takes a lot of screenshots for some reason

[charred pewter]

so im looking up the thermalright lga 1700 contact frame on amazon ... and there is literally 8 different product entires for the exact same damned thing, and all have different prices

[edgy hazel]

I distrust thermalright so much tbh

[night girder]

not a big fan either

atleast I got my money back

[edgy hazel]

if you're not even able to set up a proper account/presence in a given country/continent, how much should I actually trust your business

what is this

that's for this "seller" btw:

[charred pewter]

lol

yeah, there is Thermalright Direct, and Thermaliright Direct 2, and Thermalright.EUR, and there is a fourth, its uhhhh ...

[edgy hazel]

this seems to be the primary seller for thermalright in the EU

[charred pewter]

regional based yes

[edgy hazel]

I might need to add that I wasn't able to find them registered in any capacity

their registry number goes nowhere

[charred pewter]

yup lol

[night girder]

I mean, their contact frame might be solid. I bought CPU cooler X 120 SE. Returned it.

[dire igloo]

should say why you returned it: aesthetical non-functional defect (it was tilted)

[night girder]

doesn't matter if it's contact frame. Total different story.

[dire igloo]

fair reason to return, I just don't like it when people say they returned a product without stating a reason

[edgy hazel]

we don't know if it really was functional do we @night girder ?

[charred pewter]

ive had no issues with thermalright products

[dire igloo]

anyways, if it's shipped by Amazon, you get your product - and for the product it doesn't really matter which vendor you pick cuz they're all thrown into the same bin at the warehouse

[charred pewter]

in fact their peerless assassin was doing better cooling my cpu than three other 'top rated overpriced' ones... noctua, bequite, and some corsair piece of shit i returned

[dire igloo]

Same - AX120SE ARGB for my brother, HR-02 Macho in the family PC

[edgy hazel]

anyway the state of the product really doesn't matter. It's the expected competency of setting up a proper distribution system.

[dire igloo]

goes to show that "top rated" and "most popular" are shitty metric for PC hardware

[night girder]

True, I just didn't like a flawed product.

[edgy hazel]

and if you fail at even the simplest of processes, how much should I trust you with my 200/300/400€ CPU?

[dire igloo]

Proper distribution systems cost money. Money that then can't be spend on engineering better products

[edgy hazel]

like a broken vinyl

[dire igloo]

if a CPU overheats and doesn't shut off automatically, it's a CPU failure

[night girder]

this noctua is just doing fine tbh. I don't need the best. I just want to game and have proper temperatures 😄

[dire igloo]

how much did you pay for it?

[night girder]

84 euro

[edgy hazel]

I literally do not care about how good your product is, if I only can get it from wangniudunbeihuanlu27hao4haolou201shi

[dire igloo]

shipped by Amazon

[edgy hazel]

it does not matter

[night girder]

Noctua NH-U12S black.

[dire igloo]

it doesn't for warranty claims. It does for whether or not you get the product and for the initial return

[dire igloo]

YIKES, that should not cost 84€

[edgy hazel]

shipped by amazon only means that I can return it easy if QA fails (which they don't seem to have)

[night girder]

I love it tbh.

[edgy hazel]

it's TRUST

[night girder]

it's decent temperatures.

[edgy hazel]

and wangniudunbeihuanlu27hao4haolou201shi doesn't spark trust

[dire igloo]

doesn't matter if they have QC or not - because the same product is sold by multiple other vendors who all ship from Amazon, you can get either vendor's product

[night girder]

and quality. and that gives trust yes.

[dire igloo]

and in the end, it's Thermalright who made them and wangniudunbeihuanlu27hao4haolou201shi who sell it

[night girder]

but why does it matter what I bought. It's my money in the end.

[edgy hazel]

then why are they unable to set up a proper presence in europe?

[dire igloo]

you could've gotten four AX120 coolers for that same price - without returning either

I doubt they all four would've been faulty

[dire igloo]

already answered. Costs money, increases prices

[edgy hazel]

and loses customers

hello I am one of those

[night girder]

Yeah, but I didn't want to. I wanted to get a solid CPU cooler and get going. I like this one. I have average of 70 while gaming.

[dire igloo]

if you want trust, Scythe Mugen, any be quiet, Deepcool or even Hyper 212 would've done the same

[dire igloo]

and in the process paid 84€ for what is essentially a 20€ cooler

[night girder]

yeah, I saw what 20 gets you. No thank you.

[edgy hazel]

I hope you see how much trust is worth

[dire igloo]

I can show you a non-crooked AX120

you base your opinion of an entire brand based on one product

Asus had a mainboard catch fire, NZXT had a case catch fire, Gigabyte had a PSU catch fire

[edgy hazel]

And if their QA is unable to even catch a crooked cooler, what else did they miss?

[dire igloo]

all of that applies to the examples mentioned above

maybe it did spot it and since it's not a functional defect it was dismissed?

[night girder]

sorry, but I spotted it 🤷‍♂️ Just had to replace it. That's how I am 😄

[dire igloo]

yeah, and you don't even know if it functionally faulty

it just looked bad

[night girder]

I still wanted a good as possible PC. Not taking any risks. Is that so bad?

[edgy hazel]

What else did they write off as non-functionally faulty?

[dire igloo]

could've gotten away with a 40€ cooler that performs like that Noctua one and comes from a reputable retailer

[dire igloo]

good question, you tell me

[night girder]

Sorry, but I don't really mind if you don't understand me. I did check in this channel. And even Baldur said he had that cooler, if I am not mistaken.

[edgy hazel]

The fact thats even a question is horrible

[night girder]

or atleast some sort of Noctua cooler.

[dire igloo]

why is it not a question with NZXT, Asus or Gigabyte?

Why is it not a question with Glorious or Logitech mice

[edgy hazel]

Because they have trust

[dire igloo]

they literally had failing products that were an actual safety hazard

and idk about Asus, but NZXT and Gigabyte tried to sweep it under the rug

if Thermalright doesn't have trust because of a crooked cooler, neither of those three should be trusted

[edgy hazel]

How many PSUs, motherboards, etc does thermalright have? They cant even make sure a cooler isnt crooked.

[night girder]

I don't have any of those brands atm.

[dire igloo]

They have three PSUs, they have idk how many air coolers, fans and AIOs

And again, those brands couldn't even make sure their products wouldn't kill their customers

I'd rather risk a crooked cooler from a dodgy seller than my life from a bad case/PSU/MB

[edgy hazel]

Apples to oranges

[dire igloo]

why? we're talking about brand trust and QC

[night girder]

in my defense, all the products/brands in this build. Are totally new to me. So you can't say I don't give new brands a try.

[edgy hazel]

If I cant even trust their coolers, how much will I trust them with a PSU???

And to begin with: I cant even trust the seller on amazon

[dire igloo]

one of their PSUs (TG 1200W) was reviewed to be quite high quality. Not RMe good, but better than the vast majority of the pack

[dire igloo]

You'd have to trust that seller for product returns after the Amazon period ran out - and knowing PC air coolers, if it didn't fail after two weeks, it won't fail for another couple years

[night girder]

I am happy I got refund from amazon though.

[dire igloo]

and everything else is out of their control

[edgy hazel]

Again: why should I trust a company that is unable to set up a proper store

[night girder]

I can't blame you.

[edgy hazel]

Why is no known retailer working with them?

[dire igloo]

They do have a proper store btw (Alternate and some other shops, owner group of Nanoxia and Cooltech), it just doesn't get enough products to sell

[dire igloo]

because Thermalright gives an exclusive retail right to one retailer per country

and that's it

if you didn't get that right, you're not allowed to sell there

it's first come, first serve

and again, I'd rather trust a company with products that were reviewed to be good than a company with products that try to kill me (who are then sweeping said products under the rug)

[edgy hazel]

That just proves their incompetence of setting up proper distribution

[dire igloo]

incompetence or unwillingness?

[edgy hazel]

Same thing

[night girder]

both are bad

[dire igloo]

nope. being unable to do smth and deciding against doing smth are two different things

[edgy hazel]

Incorrect

[night girder]

you now defending incompetence?

[dire igloo]

yes, both are bad from a consumer perspective, but if you as a company don't care about spending money on potentially minmaxing profit, why bother?

[edgy hazel]

It means its a bad company.

[dire igloo]

no. I'm saying that incompetence is an assumption that I don't want to make

[dire igloo]

why?

[night girder]

fair.

[dire igloo]

Why does the lack of a proper retail structure make a company bad?

[edgy hazel]

Its incompetence. They obviously tried to sell in the EU

[dire igloo]

maybe it's the inability to combat third party sellers

you don't know, you can't know

[edgy hazel]

They have, according to you, tried to set up a structure, and failed

[dire igloo]

if they're so bad, how can they stay afloat and remain on top of the list of best performing coolers and best value fans?

[dire igloo]

idk what happened. I repeated what Baldur said in here

[edgy hazel]

Its capitalism. Dont tell me thermalright is a beacon of selfless reasearch

Youre wrong

[dire igloo]

Pareto principle

spending money on optimizing costs is a paradox

[edgy hazel]

And failure = failure

[dire igloo]

also, it's Western capitalism - companies can value long term growth over short term growth

[edgy hazel]

You know nothing about the East then. Its the same shit.

Their whole real estate business is crumbling because of short term growth

[dire igloo]

failure is a broad term that you use to include inability, unwillingness and incompetence, all three either significantly different or important nuances

[dire igloo]

didn't know Thermalright was a real estate company

and that every Chinese and Taiwanese company operated the same

[edgy hazel]

In the sense of capitalism

Its the same

[dire igloo]

short term vs long term? nope

[edgy hazel]

100%

[dire igloo]

Short term growth is doing what NZXT did with the H1.
Long term growth is doing what Fractal did with the Torrent.
Both had PCBs with a manufacturing defect that could cause a fire, handled fundamentally different

Fractal traded short term losses from a product recall for good press

[edgy hazel]

The eastern side of capitalism is 100% the same as the western. Short term always wins. Real estate was an extreme example of this

[dire igloo]

NZXT tried to ignore bad press, then blame press for bad press, then blame consumers for wrong installation

[dire igloo]

short term wins short term. If you can manage to establish a long-term profit oriented company (which imo Thermalright have done), you are much better off than any new company aiming for short term success

[edgy hazel]

Again: thermalright is unable to set up a proper store in the EU. This is the basic bread and butter of a company. Why should I trust them, if they cant even get that right?

[dire igloo]

Why should they set up a store in the EU if their products sell anyway

why bother spending money?

[edgy hazel]

Theyre not even close to their competitors.

[dire igloo]

in terms of sales numbers? could that be related to advertisement?

or in terms of price? in which case I agree

[edgy hazel]

So either theyre an Angel research and engineering company, or they are just bad at business, which depletes all trust

And one of those options is more realistic

[dire igloo]

I'm not bad at business if I don't bother selling my products if they're selling themselves

Thermalright are older than be quiet or Noctua and about as old as Arctic

their business practice is good enough to keep them afloat

if anything, I'd say Noctua's business strategy is flawed - because they have to rely on brand trust to sell their products

If brand trust is your USP, your company is standing on very shaky ground

well, brand trust and an aesthetic that is literally shitty

[edgy hazel]

So they're just bad at growing their business, by being incompetent at

• Setting up retail
• increasing production
• proper marketing

Sounds like a company I cant trust

[dire igloo]

They are bad at business because they

• save cost
• some assumption you made
• save cost

[edgy hazel]

That doesn't matter

[dire igloo]

If I have a lemonade booth and people buy my lemonade, I don't need to pay someone to advertise my lemonade - especially if the main reason why people buy my lemonade is the low price (which I'd have to increase if I hired someone to advertise)

[edgy hazel]

They failed at the simplest steps of business. Why should I trust them

[dire igloo]

it doesn't mean that my lemonade is bad or that I didn't check the lemons for mold, it just means that if my stuff is being sold, I don't need to bother with selling it

[dire igloo]

You assume they failed because they don't do business like you think they should

They save cost

and if cuttings costs works out for them long-term, they have a successful business strategy

[edgy hazel]

And if I live in another country, I'm just not going to buy your fucking lemonade

[dire igloo]

and I don't give a shit about that cuz my lemonade is sold anyway

and if someone buys my lemonade, ships it to your country and sells it there I could bother with lawsuits and whatnot, but that'd mean I have to increase my prices

[edgy hazel]

But if a company as old as them isnt able to even set up a proper amazon shop, why should I trust them?

[dire igloo]

why should they bother spending money to win you as a customer if you don't offer a return on that investment?

Why should they spend money to get your trust if you don't pay them back?

[edgy hazel]

That means you dont value me as a customer. Why should I buy from you?

[dire igloo]

You don't value me as a company, why should I sell to you?

it's a business decision. Why bother investing money in something that may or may not make a return on an investment if your business is going well as is?

just to win over some European folks?

[edgy hazel]

Thats incompetence

[dire igloo]

why is it incompetence if a company tells you that they don't want to bother winning you as a customer?

why is it incompetence if a company says "investing that money is not worth the return we get on it"?

[edgy hazel]

ITS AN AMAZON STOREFRONT

[dire igloo]

but why bother, when the products are being sold?

[edgy hazel]

This isnt a Million Dollar investement

[dire igloo]

why spend money at all?

[edgy hazel]

Why did they try then?????????

[dire igloo]

it is if your retail structure is a guy that sets up a contract with whatever company first said "I'll sell your stuff" and calls it a day

[dire igloo]

They never tried to make an Amazon storefront

[edgy hazel]

Incompetence

[dire igloo]

They have an official retail partner in Germany

[jagged snow]

I know of several successful local businesses that operate quite successfully that way

[dire igloo]

but that one isn't selling on Amazon

[edgy hazel]

And they have it in stock?

[dire igloo]

and yes, they don't sell it on their storefronts either

but the reason why they're not doing it could be plenty

and could very well be "we can't compete with the third party vendors on Amazon"

[edgy hazel]

And until that is known, they do not have my trust. Simple as

[dire igloo]

it's speculation

[dire igloo]

and they won't bother getting your trust because the cost associated with it is not worth it winning you over as a customer

you don't need a salesperson that'll sell fridges to penguins

[edgy hazel]

Then they failed at expanding. Which they obviously tried by partnering with that one shop

And if they dont want my trust, Ill not buy from them

End of the story

[dire igloo]

you need a salesperson that can convince a potential customer why your product is the best.
And if you'd rather pay extra for a name you recognize, no good salesperson will try to sell you the inexpensive Taiwanese competitor even if their product would win

[dire igloo]

and if you won't buy from them, they don't want your trust, easy as that

[edgy hazel]

Welcome to basic business structure

[dire igloo]

so why bother going above and beyond to reach a customer that's not interested in you?

[edgy hazel]

Nononono

Setting up an amazon storefront isn't going "above and beyond"

Partnering with multiple retailers isn't going "above and beyond"

[dire igloo]

If you as a potential customer told me that you'll only buy from me if I changed whatever stuff about my company, I'd either implement changes that I wanted to implement anyways or tell you to fuck off

[dire igloo]

it's spending money you don't need to spend

so it's going above and beyond what's necessary

Thermalright doesn't want to expand or win everyone as a customer, their business runs well and they can do fuckall

because their incredible cost efficiency will always be their USP

[edgy hazel]

It obviously doesn't in the EU

[dire igloo]

and you wouldn't advise a brand to sabotage their USP, right?

[dire igloo]

you say that

if a market isn't worth expanding to, they won't

[edgy hazel]

They have one Partner that doesnt even have their stuff in stock

[dire igloo]

and if it is and they did and they failed, that means it wasn't

you don't see Noctua expanding to Antarctica

because it's an unattractive market

[dire igloo]

for a multitude of reasons

[edgy hazel]

EU = Antarctica???????????

[dire igloo]

maybe that partner doesn't request stock because they can't sell it

not Thermalright's fault

[dire igloo]

It's called an analogy

you keep saying that deciding against expansion is failure of doing business

[edgy hazel]

So they dont have consumer trust

[edgy hazel]

No. I'm not

[dire igloo]

They don't rely on trust, they rely on cost efficiency

Noctua relies on Trust

[edgy hazel]

trying to expand and failing miserably is failing

https://tenor.com/view/guy-arguing-guy-talking-to-wall-talking-brick-wall-gif-18667615

Good night

[dire igloo]

cuz they need to convince you that it's worth it to pay 84€ for a cooler that is matched by 20-40€ coolers from the competition

35€ even
www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/be-quiet--Pure-Rock-2-Tower-Kuehler_1359906.html

[dire igloo]

good night

[charred pewter]

i did like my megahalems prolimatech, but sadly it didnt have a lga1700 bracket

i seem to have missed a giant discussion lol

[cyan crescent]

Is it possible to use a vpn on an iphone to gain access to for example the Japanese app store instead of the us app store?

[sharp oasis]

Doubt it

[gilded helm]

The iOS app store is probably based on the region you've selected in iOS itself. IIRC, Niantic tests its games in NZ/AU first, and people in the USA are able to get access eassily enough.

[twin dew]

All are grey market outlets, not officially related to Thermalright in any way.

Someone from China buying in bulk in China, and shipping to Amazon in EU themselves.

Thermalright doesn't really seem to themselves care about market outside of part of Asia.
They do have official EU distributors and retailers, but those just cannot get stuff to sell, even when they try to get them from the "correct" channels and officially do have business relation with Thermalright.

[dire igloo]

That convo made me wonder:
The only business strategy that is actually sustainable is a monopoly where you kill your competition either through acquisitions or price wars.

Noctua's business strategy relies on brand trust to stay in business - their only USP is that people trust it to be a good company.
Then there are ID-Cooling, Thermalright and similar which have cost efficiency as their USP - which works until competition releases a more efficient product. Also, it forces them to cut costs everywhere.

[edgy hazel]

Amazon pictures are so great

Dude on the right is going nuts over the nat 15

[dire igloo]

Nat 1 on the D12

Or he's dumb and thought the D10 was a Nat 20

Nat 8 on the D8 is neat for dmg

[edgy hazel]

They rolled pretty bad actually

[dire igloo]

Average probably

[edgy hazel]

4 on the d6

Wizard takes 26 damage and is dead

[boreal sable]

help im being stupuid what is the difrfenec between the iphone 14 plus pro and normal

like iphone 14
iphone 14 plus
iphone 14 pro
what is the diffrence

[edgy hazel]

Apple has its own comparison tool you can use

www.apple.com/iphone/compare/

[dire igloo]

My lvl 7 cleric has 19 max HP rn - some weird homebrew spell effects plus exhaustion

Had one fight, enemy casts magic missile "that's 26 damage aaaand..." - "no need to add further, I'm at 0"

[edgy hazel]

Gotta see how many death saving throws you fail tho

[dire igloo]

None, was also playing as our backline druid (player couldn't join session).
Graciously healed myself

Saddest thing was my staff of the python.
Used it in combat, snake received 61 dmg in one hit, couldn't even attack

[dire igloo]

Btw @edgy hazel did you see the reviews on the Alphacool metal fan?

And Igor's Lab is getting torn to shreds

[edgy hazel]

Nah not yet. I'm waiting for mine

[dire igloo]

Apparently Phanteks T30 are better

[edgy hazel]

And also uglier.

Anyway was expected that the igors lab review was a bit overhyped

[dire igloo]

Factually wrong.
The fan had more airflow on a 60mm rad than on a 25mm rad.
It also had 130% more airflow in the testing compared to a Noctua fan - which der8auer tested to be better by 2°C

Same tester that did the Alphacool Core 1 review btw

[twin dew]

And there was very big difference between two noctua samples IIRC?

Just telling that the measurements were faulty.

Stated methology was fine AFAIK.
Actual measurements weren't.
So bad implementation with inconsistent positioning of the flowmeter or something like that.
And didn't stop even for a moment to think about the weird inconsistent results or run more tests.

[jagged snow]

Doesn't noctua technically only rate to +-10%? Even if they're typically a lot more consistent than that iirc.

[twin dew]

Haven't read the thing myself, but if the comments I saw were true, there was over 50% difference between two identical Noctuas if I understood correctly.

But like I said, never bothered to read the original material.

[jagged snow]

Oh wow, that is bad

[twin dew]

Inconsistent test setup, when in airflow testing the identical positioning of the anemometer is critical.
Same for the flow guides to straighten and collect the airflow after the test stuff.

First the blockage & fan, then straightening, then anemometer.
And the positioning of the elements needs to be very close to identical or the result will change depending on the position changes.

[charred pewter]

wtf

i boot up my pc after its been off since friday ... and my second display isnt coming up, and its 'fixing' my D drive ... wtf ?

wtf

i cant get it to work ...

its just showing as "2" in Display settings, and its not like got anything, no descrip, no signal out display port

did my iGPU fry itself?

windows11 is just saying "Display 2 isnt active" ... and it keeps waking up every other few seconds, showing 'no signal' then going back to sleep ... wtf windows... this was all working last week!

so odd, changing from displayport to hdmi showed the monitor fine (but as "Monitor 3") ... so i pulled that, went back to displayport... same deal, no monitor singal .... then for some reason I changed ""Show only on 1" to "Extend these dsplays" and now its showing up right ... wtf, how did windows 11 revert that setting? WHY ... guh ... stupid windows

still no idea why booting my PC after it was off for a long time, it was "fixing D" ... for three stages

[night girder]

😒

Is it still fixing the "D:" ?

[charred pewter]

no

it did that only once during boot .... all i could find is 'windows does this when the computer wanst powered down right' .... but thing is ... the computer WAS 'shutdown' before i pulled the power plug before leaving on vacation =p

[edgy hazel]

lol I never have this and I flip the PSU switch when it takes too long to shut down

[charred pewter]

😄

yeah, so i dunno whats up with it... the D drive aint that old (maybe 1.1 years, M2nvme)

windows doesnt say anything about it, nothing like its unhealthy, or lacking in lifespan

clearly my computer revolted being unplugged for 6 days

[jagged snow]

Mine's been left unplugged for over a month before with no issues

[charred pewter]

this is a first ive ever seen it do something like that, and ive pulled powere multiple times in the past

[charred pewter]

"Starting January 29, Prime Video movies and TV shows will include limited advertisements."

"We will also offer a new ad-free option for an additional $2.99 per month* that you can sign up for"

lol

guess its time to just outright cancel my subscription in full

[gilded helm]

It's amazing how quickly streaming services have enshittified.

[charred pewter]

truly

[edgy hazel]

wow it's almost like riding on investors isn't something that lasts forever

0% interest got us all fucked up, next thing is gonna be entrepreneurs seeing the giants fall and think they can fill this space (which then also fails)

[charred pewter]

its hard for any smalltimer to step into the game ...

and even if the bigdawgs fail and are not able to 'squash the little guys' ... the little guys just cant muster the infrastructure to even compete

[edgy hazel]

oh no the small guys will absolutely break laws

only when they become relevant they need to actually comply and then they're gonna realise how expensive it is

[charred pewter]

prime video is such a joke as it is, it takes like 2 hours to find something worth watching (if you can)...

[edgy hazel]

maybe riding a year or two

[charred pewter]

and most all of it now is already 'freevee' with ads

(but a little secret, watch in chrome with ublock origin in fullscreen, and it never plays the ads)

people using smart tv 'apps' are screwed though

[edgy hazel]

I watched rebel moon recently

slow motion the movie

it was horrible

they took a 2 hour movie, cut out all the story and good stuff out to make it 30 minutes long, and then pulled it back up to like 2:30h with slow motion every 2 seconds

AND THE RADIAL BLUR

Oh god the radial blur

[charred pewter]

and made it 'part 1' at that

[edgy hazel]

It was like I was drunk

[charred pewter]

i didnt bother grabbing it... not interested in movies without closure 😄

[edgy hazel]

It was the first time I actually wanted a movie to end

[edgy hazel]

At that pace it would prolly take like 8 parts

[charred pewter]

heh

ive seen some movies like that ...

also, where i like 'pause' to go to the bathroom cause its like dragging, and then its like "what, another HOUR is still left?! i thought it was about done!"

i need a new mouse that has soft buttons and scroller ... something good for a 'work mouse' ... not gaming (not tons of pointless buttons and angular bullshit and weights and wireless and rgb)

any good suggestions to try? i seem to have bad luck picking mice for my work machine

every mouse ive gotten from "macalley" have sucked hard... same with lenovo, and most logitech 😦

the only logitech that was decent... broke itself for no good reason, so im hesitant getting another like it

[dire igloo]

Darmoshark M3

Inexpensive, good internals, solid quality, wireless

[charred pewter]

LMAO:

[edgy hazel]

I can only recommend a logitech 😦

mx master 3 is a lovely work mouse

[charred pewter]

if its wireless, it cant have even a split second of 'delay' before it reacts... that drives me up the WALL as im constantly going from mouse to keyboard typing and moving the i-beam

[dire igloo]

Their G502 was infamous for having one of the most liked designs with some of the worst quality switches known to man

[dire igloo]

It's a gaming mouse, it won't

[charred pewter]

ive got a Gsomething with the worst button feel 😦

[dire igloo]

Might need to be charged once in a while

[edgy hazel]

nowadays there is basically no difference between cabled and wired logitech mice at least

[dire igloo]

Otherwise, HyperX Pulsefire Haste or Razer Deathadder V3 if you want wired.
Idk if a non-wireless Viper V2 exists

[charred pewter]

ive got a bluetooth logitech mouse for 'travel' ... thing weighs a brick cause of its batteries... and ... bluetooth, so its always "not responding" and i have to bang it to wake it up

[dire igloo]

Also with most other wireless gaming mice

[charred pewter]

although, it IS an 'older' bluetooth mouse

[dire igloo]

Yeah, a separate 2.4GHz non-BT dongle changes a lot

[edgy hazel]

I can only talk about the ones I use regularly. MX master 3 is great imo

[dire igloo]

I like my Keychron M3 Mini for its fancy wireless dongle (it looks like a tiny keyboard) - but it's got its issues

[charred pewter]

the fuck is this shit that keeps popping up ...

HEEH, i wonder what the "Amazon Basics" mouse is like 😄

ive been surprised honestly... with some of their branded stuff ...

i like their batteries ... seem to last great, and not one has 'leaked' on me like duracell/energizer do at 50/50 the time

[edgy hazel]

I get the feeling that you're just severly unlucky with anything you buy

[charred pewter]

mx master 3... hmm

you know what

near the end half of 2023 .... IT SURE SEEMED SO

i used to have great luck ... then end of 2023... every other thing i bought was broken, faulty, crapped out, garbage

i rarely 'return' things ... in november i returned 8 things !

[edgy hazel]

the best part about the mx master is the scroll wheel

[charred pewter]

the worst part about the "macalley" mouse im using right now... is the scroll wheel

it has a tactile rattle to it

[dire igloo]

Yeah, I miss that from my G502

[edgy hazel]

it's some kind of electro magnet. You can set the speed at which it unlocks

[dire igloo]

Surely don't miss the random double clicking thi

[charred pewter]

but the 'button pushes' for left/right ... are super soft thumpy nice ...

[edgy hazel]

that's the thing I don't like about the mx master. It's an office mouse so the clicks are kinda soft and silent

[charred pewter]

my old logitech, decided that 'holding the left button while dragging things' was too much effort, and began randomly releasing

[edgy hazel]

I'm more a clicky blue kinda guy

[charred pewter]

heh

[dire igloo]

Switch failure, used to be super common on Logitech

idk if it still is, haven't heard anything in either direction

[charred pewter]

i just like feeling the click, not thrilled to hear it, but if its a clean 'click' i dont mind. KEYBOARD keys on the other hand, i just cant handle the 'clicky clack' of loud switches

[edgy hazel]

CLICK CLACK GTFO OUT MY WAAAYYY

[charred pewter]

lol

especially when im slinking around in lots of stealth games 😄

[dire igloo]

blue switches are the perfect tool to troll in voice comms without saying anything

[edgy hazel]

me writing an email sounds like a medieval sword fight

[charred pewter]

oh......

I guess I should have led with "im a claw grip" mouser

[edgy hazel]

oh it's great

[dire igloo]

If you want a cheaper alternative, Keychron M6

[edgy hazel]

the form is really nice actually

[dire igloo]

Not quite as well made tho

[charred pewter]

holy shit this has GOT to feel HORRIBLE ... (I once had that crackle texture logitech mouse and that was insane feeling)

[edgy hazel]

I'm too

I'm 6'4. I got big hands 😦

[charred pewter]

yes, i would like a medical plan with this too for all the emergancy room visits of sliced up hands:

[edgy hazel]

rather buy a mad catz

(they are acutally pretty fun once you get over the transformers look, and adjustable too)

these aren't just for looks

but they're also not that long living

[charred pewter]

heh!

[edgy hazel]

imagine pulling up with this mf

[charred pewter]

that weird idle activity still persists... ALWAYS P-core 5 and 6. so odd. Cause its not the same thing as when win11 decides to do 'background shit' which actually chews up on the e-cores.

i find it weird that whatever it is, always picks p-core 5 and 6 to do it

[sand saddle]

Brother got this, any adapter that could take bluetooth audio in?

[edgy hazel]

something like this?

[sand saddle]

Looks expensive lol

[edgy hazel]

true

[sand saddle]

Actually not that bad

Same thing is 20€ on ali

And there's cheaper shit as well

Ty, bluetooth dac was the keyword I believe

[edgy hazel]

bluetooth to rca dac

that's what I googled and it was the like 2nd result

[jagged snow]

Crazy stuff https://arstechnica.com/security/2023/12/exploit-used-in-mass-iphone-infection-campaign-targeted-secret-hardware-feature/

Kaspersky's untarnished reputation just took a big hit

Also that "unknown hardware feature" is really weird

If we try to describe this feature and how attackers use it, it all comes down to this: attackers are able to write the desired data to the desired physical address with [the] bypass of [a] hardware-based memory protection by writing the data, destination address and hash of data to unknown, not used by the firmware, hardware registers of the chip.

Our guess is that this unknown hardware feature was most likely intended to be used for debugging or testing purposes by Apple engineers or the factory, or was included by mistake. Since this feature is not used by the firmware, we have no idea how attackers would know how to use it

Russia is claiming it was done by the NSA

RCE -> privilege escalation -> hw vulnerability exploit

Crazy

[mental oriole]

Was thinking on posting it, but seems it's already posted 🙂

I liked this part.

After exploiting all the vulnerabilities, the JavaScript exploit can do whatever it wants to the device and run spyware, but attackers chose to: a) launch the imagent process and inject a payload that cleans the exploitation artifacts from the device; b) run the Safari process in invisible mode and forward it to the web page with the next stage.
Practically impossible to find.

[narrow folio]

Wow. Just imagine the effort needed to pull this off

[jagged snow]

Yeah, that kind of investment almost guarantees it was state-backed or directly from a gov agency

[wanton orchid]

or fully back doored to hell
and planned on hardware all the way down

(or both of-course)

[ruby patio]

ASUS Sabertooth FX990 mboard
AMD FX-4130 Quad-Core processor 3.18 Ghz
Radeon RX460 4Gb video card
32Gb DDR3 1866 memory
Is this machine worth keeping to play Satisfactory, or is it time to upgrade?

[jagged snow]

Sick rig for its time but doesn't quite meet min reqs
It'd likely be playable, but on minimum settings

[ruby patio]

Yeah, I agree. The last BIOS update for the Sabertooth was in 2012. Time for a trip to MicroCenter.

[tribal kraken]

Seems like the honeycomb is larger on that than Glorious model O that I use both home and work. At least for me its never felt bad in hand. Used to have logitechs before but really like the light weight

[dire igloo]

I was like "tf is that keyboard and why does it have a hole?"

[tribal kraken]

Its a wear part from a crusher in metal recycling plant. Usage is about 1500 pcs year so reverse engineering it for a quote to be cast in local foundry

[jagged snow]

😭
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/12/2023-was-the-year-that-gpus-stood-still/

[charred pewter]

"but you did get some more speed" ..... just terribly terribly at a cost

why yes sir! $1000 per +5fps sounds like a GOOD business plan!

[jagged snow]

Even then, not always

Amd 7800xt was almost the same as 6800xt

[edgy hazel]

I don't regret it

[jagged snow]

4060ti is actually slower than 3060ti in some cases

[edgy hazel]

Just don't buy a new GPU every gen

Its like buying a new phone every year and expecting huge changes

[jagged snow]

Yeah
I'm content to sit on mine through at least one more, probably two

Especially since I don't really pick up new games with much frequency

The newest game I play is still satisfactory

[edgy hazel]

I upgrade about every two gens and I'm happy. 760 - 1070 - 5700xt - 7900xt

Although i hope to stay on my 7900 for a gen longer, which is sadly not very likely tbh

Although with its performance and FSR and shit maybe

[jagged snow]

I sat on a 470 untill I made the jump to a 6700xt

[edgy hazel]

I made the jump from the 5700 since i wanted to play some newer games

CP2077 being the worst offender

[hidden badge]

looking for budget gaming laptop any suggestions ??

under 500 cad ? xD

[dire igloo]

And ties 3070 in others

[dire igloo]

Same.
780 - 660 (only short term) - 1060 - 5700xt - 7800xt

[dire igloo]

Why 7900xt over 4070 ti?

[dire igloo]

780 failed, so I used my sister's 660 for a short period until I got the 1060

[hidden badge]

looking at hp zbook 15u g6 the 256g model

also the asus zenbook ??

[charred pewter]

i normally wait a couple gens too ... went from 8800 to 780 to 980 ti ... then to 3080 (stupidly) and now 4080 ... honestly, I should never have bought the 3080

i highly doubt i will get whatever 50xx series comes out ...

prolly gonna jump to amd at that point

[edgy hazel]

Because I have a few braincells more than that

[charred pewter]

this REALLY is starting to aggravate me !!! packages saying "jan 5th-9th" or even the next next week for delivery ... then waking up and seeing this shit:

[dire igloo]

I got a 3070 ti at 900 smth EUR.
Regretted it instantly, returned it

[dire igloo]

How big was the price difference at the time?

[charred pewter]

if it was >$500 i would, but anything less... i'd still pick the 4070ti 😉

[dire igloo]

at same price, 4070 ti wins imo

Slightly worse raster on average, but more versatile and better in CP which seems to be a usecase

[charred pewter]

i think my brother nabbed his 4070ti for $750usd?

not sure... mightve been 850 ...

[jagged snow]

I have the opposite problem
My stuff keeps showing up weeks late

[jagged snow]

That's so expensive for a 70 series card

[edgy hazel]

I'm not buying a GPU for a single game

[dire igloo]

Had that with my chair, Amazon offered a full refund cuz the tracking was idle for a week - accepted, package turned up a day or two later

[charred pewter]

he got it early this year... when they first came out, think it was in the $700s ...

[dire igloo]

On average, 7900xt wins for raster gaming only

[edgy hazel]

7900xt is still faster on average than a 4070ti. Even with RT on the 4070 ti is only like 10-20% faster

[charred pewter]

and yeah, considering we both had bought our 980tis at $600 ... which lasted us each 6 years 😄

[dire igloo]

Everything else, Nvidia wins

[edgy hazel]

And I dont give a shit about RT

[charred pewter]

RT is a gimmick

[dire igloo]

Except maybe price

[charred pewter]

nothing wrong with rasterized reflexion

[jagged snow]

Yeah, apparently we're "exempt" from shipping guarantees since we live in a rural area, even though there's a fulfillment center within 200 miles

[charred pewter]

i had ordered a nice folding card table... never arrived... they said they shipped it again ... never arrived ... amazon gave me my money back =p last time i bought anything 'shipped by' someone not amazon

[dire igloo]

Never heard anything about a shipping guarantee, the refund offer came out of the blue.
Only accepted it cuz I thought Amazon knew more than me

Btw, my neighbor accepted it and a few hours later my flatmate texted me "you got a package, neighbor put it under the doormat"

[jagged snow]

They typically offer a refund on the shipping costs if the package is a week or more late, last time I contacted them about it that was the response I got

[dire igloo]

Turned out the neighbor put the package in front of our apartment door and put the doormat on top of it

Looked silly

[edgy hazel]

Tell amazon to deliver my dice faster

[charred pewter]

you know, one time i got a 'refund' out of the blue because amazon was like "sorry the package never arrived, it came back to the warhouse, here is your refund" ... and im looking at the message, and then looking at the package in my hands, im going ⁉️

since amazon support is so difficult to get ahold of, i just accepted the 'loss' and moved on

[rotund hamlet]

roll persuasion

[edgy hazel]

Nah that's gonna be intimidation

[charred pewter]

mm 3dmark on sale 75% ... worth getting?

[edgy hazel]

yea

[dire igloo]

What dice?

How do they look?

[edgy hazel]

just a normal set (my first one)

the cool metal ones I bought via aliexpress so they will still take a whiiile

[charred pewter]

neat

they look 'worn' ...

530 watts from the wall ... thats not bad

[hidden badge]

hp zbook laptop
Intel UHD Graphics 620
Intel Core i7-8565U
256 ssd
16 ddr4 ram

for $450 cad..

my pc now is only i5 with 12g ram and no solid state and cost me way more lol 2 tb harddrive though .. hp envy desktop.

[charred pewter]

i may need a new UPS lol ...

this one says '4 minutes runtime' when im runing 3dmark 🙂

its a 1000w... and loads are getting to 700w total (cause its also got my routers, monitors too)

OH NO!!!

[stray badger]

Is this a question?

[hidden badge]

its open for comments ofc

[charred pewter]

my comment: get something new, its the holidays!

[hidden badge]

lol i want to but i cant just spend unlimited moneys.

[charred pewter]

oh ..... welllllllll .......

[hidden badge]

im sort of wo ndering if upgrading from i5 to i7 will feel like an upgrade in preformance?

also it would have a solid state and slightly more ram

im not to worried about the lack of space

[charred pewter]

going from an i5 to i7 wont if its the exact same series ...

[hidden badge]

also from gtx 745 to intel uhd 620

both comparable tbh. just like .. one has solid state and slightly more ram and i7 over i5

[stray badger]

Its ok, but i got an HP Elitebook 845 g8 with a ryzen 7 5800h and radeon graphics for 340usd on ebay

[hidden badge]

aslong as it dont feel like a downgrade in preformance.

at the very least i want to do everything i do now on my pc but take it with me anywhere. mobile. lack of space ofc

[hidden badge]

oh that sounds good..

im not extra tech savy lol as you may be able to tell

[stray badger]

These laptops are business laptops, so they are super cheap after 3 years (when warranty is gone)

[hidden badge]

seems like a rare find though. im not seeing anything like that tbh

[stray badger]

5800h is massively better than 8565u

Im seeing a lot of ryzen 5s, but those are also pretty good

[hidden badge]

oh hold up i think i found some stuff like this.. on walmart canada

[dire igloo]

Look dope.
Do they shimmer?

[stray badger]

Ebay is pretty good

[hidden badge]

HP EliteBook 840 G5 14" Laptop, Intel Core i5, 16GB, 256GB SSD

this one for example is $350

[stray badger]

Thats not exactly great

The g8 is the generation

That one is g5, so its 3 gens older than g8

[hidden badge]

okay isee

[stray badger]

Me getting some shinies soon

[night girder]

So that's how a DnD player flexes? With dice? 😆

[stray badger]

Yes

Current shinies

[hidden badge]

im finding g7s for like $750

[stray badger]

Odd

[night girder]

they look dope.

[stray badger]

Thx

[stray badger]

Im seeing g9s for the equivalent in USD

[night girder]

I though dnd players would flex with worn out books 😉

[stray badger]

Bigger flex