off-topic-tech

[charred pewter]

LOL!

[night girder]

apple too 😛

[gilded helm]

4060 12GB?

[edgy hazel]

Yeah

Absolutely no difference in performance

"But in this game you have a 2% performance uplift" stfu end yourself

[night girder]

sounds like X3D

[edgy hazel]

AYO

I'm calling the cops

it's 3D you fool

nukes are out

[night girder]

🤺

[edgy hazel]

🤸‍♂️
🦽
🏌️‍♂️

[night girder]

wtf discord crashed 🤣

doesn't like asci

[edgy hazel]

brother why is the headless install of raspi not booting but the one with desktop enviroment is

I don't need no fucking desktop

how the fuck do ssh keys work

(please don't answer)

why do I always get the urge to do this shi when I'm drunk

nmap is the greatest invention since sliced I don't know the IP

Maybe I'm born with it, maybe it's severe brain damage

https://tenor.com/view/donny-belle-beautiful-lipstick-pretty-gif-25813214

@night girder how's ur crash situation going

👻

[charred pewter]

🙊

[stray spindle]

Nobody found a suitable material, I am saddened

[twin dew]

Because Thermalright has very crappy retail presence in US and Europe.
And there are ton of Chinese one man grey-market "companies" putting up Amazon stores selling products they bought in China and reselling on Amazon.
And using Thermalright name with no rights, but Amazon doesn't care if Thermalright doesn't contact them about it.

First run of SFC always finds faults.
Because normal fresh Windows install will have duplicate permissions for some system directories, that the SFC notices and fixes to just one copy of the permission each.

But if this was in there, then yes, real fixes.
Those specific bluetooth-related driver files were found to be corrupt and replaced with fresh copy.
But the CBS log is very verbose.

@charred pewter Rambler giving DDR5 buying advice for right now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-LqWdvoFLY

Or was this the source for that OLOy discussion earlier?

[dire igloo]

What about CL34 on 6000 and 6400 and CL38 and 1.25V CL36 on 6000?

[twin dew]

That was just about making sure you get Hynix chips.

So things above might be Hynix, but can be something else too.

With higher CL, looking at the other primaries can help see if it must be Hynix or if it can be Micron too.

But as there wasn't really price difference(?) there wasn't much point in going with higher CL?

Remember that BuildZoids advice is on how to get good OC RAM for cheapest.

[visual tree]

https://youtu.be/fLC3lryWrjQ?feature=shared

[midnight osprey]

I just heard somebody claim no mans sky is super popular right now BECAUSE starfield came out! 🤣🤣🤣

[midnight osprey]

Lmao

[night girder]

Baldur. How big is the chance, AMD freesync can crash a PC if the monitor is not amd freesync compatible?

Probably copium from my side, but I hope it's the fix 🤣

I found few topics on AMD forums with similar behavior.

[twin dew]

Wouldn't be directly related, but go into those possible power fluctiations on load changes that have been talked about.

[night girder]

the other thing I was thinking was the household itself 😒

[twin dew]

PSU should be able to filter that out.

[night girder]

It was happening all night. And then I was able to run game 4-5 hours straight.

In the same zone. While adjusting settings. While alt+tabbing a lot.

So I am not sure why it seems to be day related. So I was also thinking my household (dish washer etc) might do something funky 🤣

Or it's the player density (in the evening less people play GW2).

[twin dew]

Temperature difference in room?

[night girder]

Or that. But when I monitor GPU/CPU they all stay around 60-70.

Even while stress testing the GPU, it didn't get hotter than 68. I stress tested GPU for 5 minuts.

[twin dew]

PSU internal temperature is a thing too etc.

[night girder]

That's why I am not cheering victory yet. I will run it today.

/community.amd.com/t5/drivers-software/drivers-crash-when-freesync-is-enabled/td-p/203522

[visual tree]

I could use Baldur's profile picture right now, got condensation issue on windows

[twin dew]

Humidifier would make that worse.

[visual tree]

Oh, I thought it was a dehumidifier

[twin dew]

That usually means there aren't enough panes, or that the window seals are bad and leak too much.

Nah.
Humidifier, the inside air humidity can drop to insanely low levels in here otherwise.

[visual tree]

Problem started when we insulated the house walls. Guess the insulation is too good

[night girder]

See Baldur. That's almost the same.

[twin dew]

Ok, very weird stuff if true.

[night girder]

forums.guru3d.com/threads/freesync-crashing-pc.444747/

Also they played RD2 like I did.

On ultra/high graphics.

Also, why does it happen when I alt + tab?

also why does it happen when I changed the setting in GW2? 😒

Those two seems to be responsible of 90% of the crashes.

Anyway, that will be my task for today. Waiting for the game to crash 😄

[twin dew]

Less airflow as the walls don't leak so much anymore.
Leading to higher temperature inside, and higher humidity.
But the windows are still crap, so the window inner surface temperature drops too low, and the dew point goes too low, and the inside air water content starts to condense on the window pane.

There is reason why almost all windows in Finland are at least three-pane type, with sealing strips between each.
With some minor intentional cuts to allow the two outer panes to breathe so there won't be condensation on them.

[night girder]

humidity in the room is 50%

Also forests = high humidity

[twin dew]

But that condensation happens if the temperature difference between the sides of the specific window pane gets too high.
And higher the inside humidity, smaller the difference can be.

[night girder]

Oh right condensation

www.blackhat.com/eu-23/briefings/schedule/index.html#autospill-zero-effort-credential-stealing-from-mobile-password-managers-34420

Another juicy one has been found

We will present a novel attack - that we call AutoSpill - to steal users' saved credentials from PMs during an autofill operation on a login page loaded inside an app. AutoSpill violates Android's secure autofill process. We found that the majority of top Android PMs were vulnerable to AutoSpill; even without JavaScript injections. With JavaScript injections enabled, all of them were found vulnerable.

Perfect example why even having a password manager, isn't "perfect" security.

[twin dew]

So that autofill is dangerous, as it depends on the program detecting that the page you are on is what you want to type into.

[night girder]

not really

[edgy hazel]

anything about bitwarden there?

[night girder]

I think it's the architecture that's the problem.

[night girder]

They claim: " With JavaScript injections enabled, all of them were found vulnerabl"

[twin dew]

Didn't test BitWarden.
But it would almost certainly be vulnerable too if that autofill is set to be used.

But I meant that without Autofill enabled on the Password Manager, it won't be vulnerable.

[night girder]

Disabling javascript seems to help a bit. For Dashlane and Google Smart Lock .

[twin dew]

Even if the bug is in the OS.

[night girder]

Yeah, I don't do autofill.

I type over the passwords. I know. Waste of time. But it gives me a more comfortable feeling.

[twin dew]

Neither do I.

[night girder]

Atleast it's better than passwords on a piece of paper 🤣

[twin dew]

I just use copy-paste or toggled auto-type.

[night girder]

and yes. My passwords can be 30 characters long. So a pain to type over 🤣

[edgy hazel]

Well... This is why a PM only part or your security toolbelt.
2fa is also important

[night girder]

Ah, I have special setup. Can't do that 😄

[twin dew]

Yes, completely non-connected thingie to store the passwords is possible, but pain.

[night girder]

security over pain

or is it pain over security

[edgy hazel]

It's a balance between usable and secure

[twin dew]

Perfectly secure system is completely unusable for anything.

[night girder]

In security especially: perfection isn’t possible. Security is, and always will be, a probabilities game.

[twin dew]

But system that isn't connected to anything and that no-one has physical access to is pretty secure, just completely useless.

[night girder]

not. connected.

no physical access.

How is the user then use that? 🤣

If you say: "there is a tunnel from the user house to a server room underground".

[twin dew]

Doesn't?
That was the point.

[night girder]

Even that's not secure.

People can dig.

Put your data in space. Still, if they want it, they can get it

I am a big believer of: if you are targeted, your fucked. And it depends on the tenacity of the hackers ofc. And the resources they have available.

[twin dew]

And that is that it is basically impossible to have a system that you cannot get physical access to.

[night girder]

but in theory, nothing is perfect secure. Always some loopholes.

[twin dew]

And without some kind of access for someone, it is completely useless anyways.

[night girder]

name a system that is physical unable to access..

I see what you are saying. But even if it looks physical unaccessable. We can make it accessable, if you get my drift?

a lot of hardware wants to be physical unaccessable for dumb users, doesn't mean users don't get it open 😉

[twin dew]

.

[twin dew]

.

[night girder]

People using the words "perfect security" tick me off 🤣

[twin dew]

And then to that that the perfect physical safety cannot be archieved.

[twin dew]

Was about the theoretical, not actually archievable what was the point of the later ones.

[night girder]

"as good as possible security" is better

[twin dew]

And you don't even want that "Perfect", because what use is a system that has no use?

[night girder]

it's not perfect secure at all. It's unreachable.

[twin dew]

But that goes into the tradeoff between security and usability.

Which is always a tradeoff.

[edgy hazel]

I am perfect tho

[night girder]

But what are you going to die? Yeet a database into space?

in theory, that's still accessable

[soft bloom]

idk why its so important for you to distinct between rendering and processing:
i see no difference in result if i do the log math before passing data to plotter, or plotter will do that on my request.
Question was: is it even correct to ask for a plot of log(sum(values)) over time bins and log(value) bins?

[twin dew]

And that was the point?

[soft bloom]

... and if it wasn't: than how can i do something similar but correctly?

[night girder]

Yes that was my point. Perfect doesn't exist. Not even in theory. Not even in philosophy.

[edgy hazel]

Wrong

I am perfect

[twin dew]

Perfect can exist in theory, but not really in reality.

[night girder]

And especially not in security!

And the impacts of saying "perfect security" are disastrous professionally.

Giving false information to PM and other team members.

You should always tell your boss the secuirty is shit

[soft bloom]

imagine talks at kitchen about security in company that makes software for security?..

proud quickly turns into excistential crisis

[night girder]

lol

my ptoint was more, if they hear tthe secuiorty is perfect. They dont want to invest resources (time and money).

[soft bloom]

i know close to little about context

[visual tree]

I think my windows are triple-pane. The main reason for condensation is probably big temperature difference as you mentioned

[twin dew]

The window seals need periodic replacement.

Otherwise the extra panes don't do much.

[soft bloom]

but you can always tell your new employees on security coordination that even your government's security agencies couldn't crack it and use it for themselves... is it a sweet lie? for sure it is

[wanton orchid]

you ask for the plot to show logarithmic scales, what is weird for you ?
ask them to rendering it on linear scale then wonder if it is right to ask for x*n +c

[soft bloom]

because our mind is not used to logarithmic scales.
aka log(5) + log(5) =!= log(10)
i worry about perception of the result

[night girder]

Baldur, moment of truth. Doing a activity in GW2 with lots of people. Always made me crash my PC. Sad part is, once I get yeeted out of the activity. I cannot join it again. And it has a preperation of 30-60 minutes. So it sucks. But we'll see.

and reward isn't that good anyway 🤣

[wanton orchid]

you show numbers on your plot scale and you are fine I guess
more is significantly more

[visual tree]

@twin dew Might have a solution

Delivery cost though 💀

[night girder]

anyone of you have a espresso machine?

[twin dew]

Dehumidifier masks the problem and makes life worse from the low humidity.
But yes, doing seal replacement during winter isn't nice.

[night girder]

I got a dehumidifier. Expensive as hell.

also crazy how much water it pulls out of the air.

[visual tree]

I only have a problem with one room in the house though. Guess it's because in the corner of the house and is looking at the field in the background where the wind is coming from

[twin dew]

Or it is the only window with those failed seals?

[visual tree]

I'm tired of wiping the windows with a towel each morning

There is some small condensation on other windows but the room where I sleep has a lot of condensation

[twin dew]

Because you generate lot of water vapor while sleeping.
So it raises the humidity of that specific room during night.

[visual tree]

I also keep the doors closed when sleeping because I don't want to hear any noise and prefer darkness

Sometimes I completely close window shutters and have trouble waking up because it's dark and my brain thinks it's still night

Now I understand how people in Finland feel like

[twin dew]

And how is the replacement air entering the apartment/house?
Because it might have been just through the leaky walls, and that isn't happening after the additional insulation was added.

You can do lot of damage with wrong kind of extra insulation work.
With airflow disruptions and water starting to condense into the structures.

[visual tree]

I think there might be a thermal bridge in the ceiling corners. My bedroom is under the attic

My house has a basement, first floor and the attic

[twin dew]

But again, when were the window seals last replaced?

And how is the inside getting replacement air from outside?

[visual tree]

Never since they were installed 10 years ago 😅

I open the windows for 5 minutes each morning to replace the air if that's what you mean

[twin dew]

Ok, so nearing their max age even with best materials.
And worst ones can go bad in few years.

[visual tree]

I don't think anyone here replaces windows seals lol

[twin dew]

So no intentional way?
That was a mistake on the extra insulation work then...
There should be intake air vents if the walls don't breathe anymore.

One way for that is to have suitable cuts in the window and door seals.

[visual tree]

There is a company here which advertises this vent a lot and claims it ventilates the room

[twin dew]

At the bottom missing sections for the outer ones, and at top for innermost one.
And you tune the width of the sections to match the airflow needed.

[twin dew]

Yesh, things like that are standard here in some form or another.

[night girder]

Velux: /www.velux.com/what-we-do/research-and-knowledge/deic-basic-book/ventilation/natural-ventilation-with-roof-windows

Their windows have an airflow mode.

[twin dew]

Old houses were designed to just ventilate with leaking from everywhere.
When refitting with insulation or in new houses with that already there must be intake air vents.
Can be separate, build into window frames, or by those insulation cuts etc.

[night girder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU8OPvqMZA4

That's the one I have for my bedroom. And it really works.

Main part is the handle bar:

You close the window, but you open the bar at the top for "natural" airflow.

[visual tree]

Ouch, it costs around €1000 to install this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbsO8FbHUwU

[night girder]

Also, iFixit releaseed review of new fairphone.

a fully repairable phone 🥳

[dire igloo]

No headphone jack

[night girder]

You better of with Velux windows or a dehumidifier.

[night girder]

That's outdated.

[twin dew]

And again, the real cheap solution is to either replace the window seals, if they are leaking, or add intentional leak paths from outside to inside like I said earlier, by removing few cm of seal from bottom on most of the panes, and then same amount from top for the innermost pane/frame.

Starting by removing little, and removing more if it isn't enough.

To get suitable amount of fresh airflow.

[visual tree]

Probably the second one 😅

[night girder]

Yeah, understandable 😄

Just know that you have to replace the filters sometimes on dehumidifiers.

and empty the bin every day or so 😄

depending on how much you use it etc.

[night girder]

I mean, apple removed them also stating that bluetooth is the future or something.

Ok, moment of truth event is starting. Let's see if my PC crashes

[visual tree]

It's funny how modern houses (the ones with insulation) created modern problems

While the old houses didn't have this issue since there was leak everywhere

[twin dew]

Yeah, but the old houses need lot more power to keep warm.

[night girder]

how far are we going back in time?

there was a time, we lived with animals together inside the house to share body heat

[visual tree]

Mud houses have better insulation than standard concrete/brick houses we build today

[night girder]

interesting

I can see 100 other problems with mud houses :p

but yeah, it's always a feedback loop. Implement an improvement. Learn the drawbacks through time of that improvement. Improve again to counter drawbacks.

[visual tree]

Velux CEO: ‘If you want the most energy efficient home, live in a cave’

Sadly, there is no cave nearby

[night girder]

and if you live in a cave, you probably get dragged out by police.

[twin dew]

But anyways, pass your hand over the "gap" between the pane and the frame.
If there is leaks, the seals are probably bad and need to be redone.
If there isn't leaks, you probably need to add such in very specific way to get the replacement air input that was removed with the bad insulation job.

[night girder]

Talking about the black rubber?

Or silicons.

[twin dew]

Not openable windows then?

[night girder]

I am just wondering, if that's the issue. Just reapply it?

[twin dew]

We don't use any such shit in here...
All the windows are openable.
Some just for cleaning, some for ventilation...

[visual tree]

I have these kind of windows

[night girder]

huh ...

[visual tree]

Probably a 3 pane type

[night girder]

just wondering if it's another of those regulations per country

[twin dew]

And those are probably openable.
You only pictured the panel side frame, and the gap I'm talking about is where it steps down.

[twin dew]

The space between panes must breathe.
And if it breathes, you get crap in there.
So you need to be able to get into all the gaps periodically to clean the glass.

[night girder]

I was just pointing out.

Thatt most windows I've seen in Belgium. Are always kitted with silicon/rubber or something.

[twin dew]

It's cheaper to do, but it's crap over time.
But as the stuff has been just added on without thought, you get crap solutions that become "standard" way to do it.

Worked fine with single-pane glass.

But when you start adding panes to get better insulation, you get major problems over time.

[night girder]

I understand you.

[twin dew]

We then have stuff like this to get three panes that are all openable if needed for maintenance.
And those red parts are different seals.
The 2:s are silicone and like permanent ones, the circles with 1:s are replaceable seals, best ones from silicone rubber strip

Some of the styles:

[night girder]

isn't that just overcomplicating things 😒

I don't want to maintain those type of windows imo.

[visual tree]

This one doesn't have much issue with condensation though

[twin dew]

If the spaces between the panes don't breathe, you get trapped moisture in there.
If it breathes, you can get crap.

[twin dew]

Point was that pass your hand over the outer edge of that, where it drops to wall from the wooden window inner frame.
And see if you feel air leak or not from outside.

If you don't, then the seals are fine for the innermost at least.
But if you need more airflow, you can do those intentional small removals of the seals, to allow replacement air to enter.

[night girder]

Why wont the game crash 😦 I am so confused 😦

[twin dew]

The finnish environment ministry used to have great instructions how to do the window sealing, but they have disappeared in last few years...

Been linked to year ago still...

[visual tree]

I don't think I feel any air leak tbh

[twin dew]

So there probably isn't any for the inner seal.
And you might need some after the extra insulation work otherwise...

As you said there isn't any intentional way to get replacement air, except to actually open some windows.

[charred pewter]

this guy sounds a lot like my business partner lol

im waiting for the "irrrregardless" to chime in ....

[twin dew]

The left one is only meant to be opened for maintenance, and needs "special" separate key (just square bar with handle, available in all hardware stores).
Right one is meant for being opened daily for extra ventilation if needed.
And replacement air vent above, the long thingie above the left window.

[visual tree]

At least I don't live in UK where you can't even "Kipp" your window https://www.youtube.com/shorts/uQtS5vzYXY4

[dire igloo]

I'd rather have the option to not use it than be forced to

[visual tree]

Sadly, we don't have anything like that here 😟

[dire igloo]

I use IEMs, so lack of a headphone jack is a deal breaker for me

[charred pewter]

my windows are 100yo... just two slabs made of hardwood and riplpyglass

balanced with giant weights you can use as weapons

[edgy hazel]

Neiiiiinn

STOẞLÜFTEN

[twin dew]

And when they don't exist, expectation originally was that there was natural leakage from bad sealing.
And if you later seal up more to get smaller heating bills etc. then they need to be added in some way, or you ruin the structure with mold etc. water damage from condensation.

But that "adding intentional leakage to windows seals" is one old way to do it.

Where you control the amount of airflow with the gap width in the sealing strips.

[visual tree]

I usually completely open the windows though. I kipp the windows from time to time and I like the mechanism

[charred pewter]

interesting

[edgy hazel]

My brain finally understood how ssh keys work

[charred pewter]

my windows are naturally gappy for extra airflow 😄 might be why my house never smeels as 'musty' as like these newbuilt homes that are tightly wrapped with house wrap with tight windows and door seals

[edgy hazel]

Passwordless login let's gooooo

[charred pewter]

i got so sick of copy pasting giant sized passwords all the time, so i setup ssh keys 😄

[visual tree]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/atICmWqlbOc

[edgy hazel]

In germany we do Stoßlüften, which is opening all windows and doors in the house for 5 minutes

[twin dew]

Redid the seals few years ago.
Example of gap I'm talking about in the second pic.
Outermost doesn't have one as there is intentional gap in frame below the seal.

[charred pewter]

around here, the "Whole House Exhaust Fan" is popular .... timer on the wall you turn it on, it sucks all the air out of the house (have to open a window somewhere)

[twin dew]

But meant having that kind of gap in the seal on bottom for outer and all middle panes, then similar gap at top for the innermost pane.

[charred pewter]

oh!

[twin dew]

And starting with 1cm for all, and going wider in steps if the airflow isn't enough.

[charred pewter]

Bee Doors

[twin dew]

To get controlled fresh air intake.

If you go too wide, the inside temps will drop too much or heating bill will go up.
Too little and you don't get enough air circulation.

[visual tree]

I can see some gaps when I open the window though

[twin dew]

Would need to know where those go, might just be part of the part stamping and not go anywhere.
The outer pane has that black removable seal on it that is badly done in the corner as it was installed in one part.

Idea would be to add two cuts to that at bottom, near left end, one near right end.
Like my pic has the right end one in the middle seal.

There would be airflow you can feel with your hand if those bottom black "cuts" are relevant.

Two panes on the inward opened frame?

[visual tree]

?

Not sure if I understand

[twin dew]

One or two sheets of window glass in frame.

With gap between them if there is two.

[visual tree]

There are 2 gaps

Same manufacturer (Stabil) as the first picture I posted

[twin dew]

In this pic there are three glass panes.

What kind of seals are there on that opened frame?

There should be one or two on the lips pressing against these surfaces:

[visual tree]

The black seal? It's rubber

[twin dew]

On the opened part that is out of picture.

[visual tree]

Oh, I get it 😅

There are 2 gray rubber seals

[twin dew]

And no gaps in any of them?
So bottled up too good to match what is expected in Finland.
Now the normal way is to have outer panes have those intentional air gaps at the bottom seals.
And inner to be complete.

But the old way to handle not having actual air intake valves etc. was to also make cut to the top of the innermost panes seal.

So air would enter from outside via the bottom below the outer panes, then move from bottom to top between the two innermost panes, then enter the inside via the top.

The bottom gaps are needed always to not get humidity and water problems when winter comes.
Or some other way that makes for tiny bit of ventilation from between the panes to outside.

[visual tree]

I don't think there are any gaps (if you ignore the gaps inside the closing mechanism)

[twin dew]

So bottled up good.
But you probably cannot get any kind of window sealing strip stuff in there either?
When in here they are available in any hardware store on roll...

Either prepackaged to smaller lengths, or roll of 100m for example.
And some places sell by meter from the large rolls.

But seems to be case of too good sealing then...

[visual tree]

There are a lot of window strips in the store. Just need to find the right one

[twin dew]

And not enough "natural" replacement air when the windows aren't intentionally open.

[night girder]

Ok, AMD freessync was not the culprit. Just was afk for an hour. Come back. Pc fully crasshed and rebooted.

[visual tree]

Which is a surprise considering the manufacturer went bust 🤣 www.glassonline.com/the-austrian-window-manufacturer-pax-stabil-gmbh-goes-to-auction/

[twin dew]

So if you can get replacement material, you could try adding those breathing gaps in the seals by removing short sections on right places.
Works best by removing small section from multiple windows to get more replacement air to every room.

[twin dew]

But check if that outermost panes edges leak with hand again?

Probably not, except those corner divots.

[night girder]

The maximum file size for session "PerfDiag Logger" has been reached. As a result, events might be lost (not logged) to file "C:\Windows\system32\WDI\LogFiles\ShutdownPerfDiagLogger.etl". The maximum files size is currently set to 20971520 bytes.

What does that mean 🤔

[twin dew]

Again, why is the PerfDiag Logger run...
Because it shouldn't.

[night girder]

I don't know 🤷‍♂️

[twin dew]

That something set extra logging happen for performance diagnostic purposes, and the log file overflowed.
And as that logging is happening inside the Windows Kernel, it causes big issues possibly.

[night girder]

I haven't enabled it.

[twin dew]

Yes, and it was happening before and there is no sane reason.

Because none of my machines have any entries in Event Log for that to be active, ever.

[night girder]

answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/session-perfdiag-logger-stopped-due-to-the/fad221b3-2690-4f2d-a21a-2a1e39a20808

🤷‍♂️

forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/newish-build-constant-crashes-during-gaming-and-errors-on-shutdown-event-viewer-is-full-of-errors-please-help.18970812/

Look in performance monitor Baldur.

[twin dew]

Not running.
Checked Performance Monitor thread search, resource monitor, Process Explorer

[night girder]

That's weird.

[twin dew]

Because that thing shouldn't be running unless you are doing low level debugging.

[night girder]

well, for a lot of topics I've read.

All new builds. All have it running.

So CLEARLY it is running on fresh OS newly machines. If that's intended or not I don't know.

But I am not sure how to disable it yet.

[twin dew]

Where in Performance monitor is that screen?
Or might be Win11 change from Win10?

[night girder]

Now it stopped btw 😄

oh it started again. rofl.

[twin dew]

That PROCEXP TRACE is from the Process Explorer.

[night girder]

Oh, I think I might get it.

Maybe it only runs at the start of the computer.

because I had to restart my PC to able to see it.

Didn't show up in the list. Restarted PC. Showed up in the list.

Can confirm. It now dissapeared from my list.

[charred pewter]

stepping in late and not gonna do the discord scroll gamble... soo ... no crashes still?

[night girder]

still random crashes

[twin dew]

Try to get a loan on a PSU and test with that?

[night girder]

eh, will do clean install probably. Else ... I don't know anymore 🤣

[twin dew]

Instead of your current one?

[night girder]

don't want to get into the rabbit hole of replacing hardware. For one stupid game.

I don't know what to do at this point. I am too annoyed atm to make a good decision.

[twin dew]

Meant getting one from a friend or like to do part swap test.

[night girder]

it's alreayd annoying enough that I've to spent hours and hours to provoke the crash.

and sometimes it crashes 5 times in 2 hours.

everything is so random it drives me nuts.

What sort of issues can faulty ram timings give?

[twin dew]

Data corruption and random crashes.
But it wouldn't usually be limited to just single situation.
And in that case you would get BSODs with specific codes etc. if it affected the OS, and not just programs.

And alt-tab isn't a thing that would normally trigger anything special with that.

[night girder]

Yeah, must be some hardware acting up.

Although someone said they had some problem and a OS clean installed fixed it.

[edgy hazel]

My poor raspi

[night girder]

It happened so much yesterday with alt + tabbing. But that might have been freesync 🤷‍♂️

[edgy hazel]

Model 2b being forced to clone and compile shit screaming for help

[night girder]

or it's the PSU + freensync + alt + tabbing to GW2. I am installing 3Dmark atm. To see if that can crash my PC.

Because if it's hardware, then maybe 3Dmark can cause the same crash.

I just want to find a more reliable way first to get it to crash. It would safe me a lot of days 🤣

[charred pewter]

why do people give a solid gpu/model 1 star because it was expensive... they clearly bought it, why complain about their own foolish mistake?

im now* considering a gigablows 4080 windforce ...

its pretty close to the same price as a 7900xtx ...

and after seeing poor letterdeif suffer, im not ready to jump to team red yet 😉

[night girder]

don't do it man

[charred pewter]

lol

[soft bloom]

hmmm

[edgy hazel]

Counter argument: my 7900xt is running without any issues

[charred pewter]

yeah, its all Letterdiefs fault 😄

[night girder]

just reseated my GPU.

I am beginning to worry, because I noticed the slots are damaged. Or it looks like it.

[jagged snow]

The pcie slot or the display outputs?

[maiden coyote]

I think that's normal

[ornate vapor]

that doesnt look like damage

[night girder]

It also has the same thing on the other side.

but a different one.

[ornate vapor]

yeah then its intentional

[maiden coyote]

Yeah normal

[night girder]

I hope so :

I also replaced the PCIE cable from PSU to GPU.

[twin dew]

Hot Plug Present Detect pin.

[night girder]

But all I have was another double one.

[edgy hazel]

5700xt

[jagged snow]

@night girder there is one shorter pin at each end of the slot so that they connect last. They're used to make sure it's properly seated in the slot.

[night girder]

Didn't know that.

I also noticed that one of my cables wasn't fit properly to the GPU

and wait let me send picture.

[ornate vapor]

also i cant find where you talked about the issue youre having, what specifically is going on?

cuz from what i can find its random crashes

[jagged snow]

Random blackscreen & crash in a specific game when alt tabbing

[ornate vapor]

oh

[ornate vapor]

sounds like either a driver/low level issue or broken gpu

what os are you running?

[night girder]

all I am reading on the internet is peoeple saying it must be hardware.

[jagged snow]

win11 iirc

[night girder]

and with good reasons.

if it was software level, it should throw error or handled by OS.

[edgy hazel]

gotta read the chat from the last 3-4 days to be up-to-date

[night girder]

if PC just hard resets, it means it wasn't recoverable with some magic and code.

[ornate vapor]

did he sfc /scannow?

[night girder]

so it has to be hardware.

[night girder]

anyway, I don't this could be the reason.

The cable shoudl still work. But I had to replace it with another double one.

[jagged snow]

Not necessarily, remember that my similar issue was solved by a windows reinstall, not by hardware tweaking

[night girder]

and people keep suggesting to do two seperate cables.

[ornate vapor]

do you have another gpu you could try out to see if you get the same issue?

[night girder]

yes, sorry. I mentioned that earlier to Baldur.

[night girder]

Yeah, in my old case.

[ornate vapor]

if you dont want to reinstall windows you can put debian or something on a usb stick and try that out

[night girder]

but that's an old PSU*, not sure if it good enough for this system.

[charred pewter]

i think i found your problem .....

[night girder]

That's herg 😄

[jagged snow]

Unfortunately, I'm stuck with windows for a daily driver. Weather it's running directly or in a VM I still need it

And I've found that WSL provides a much better experience than any inverse tech on linux

[night girder]

But by now I have a list of things I've tried 🤣

[charred pewter]

HUGE list of things

[night girder]

and the other problem is, it's hard to replicate. In the sense. I have to wait for hours and hours 😄

[ornate vapor]

just saying for letterdief if he needs another os to try the gpu out on he could use any live linux or install on usb stick

[charred pewter]

find someone else who has the same gpu, with GW2 and Discord, and ask them to alt-tab between them a lot and see if they crash =p

[ornate vapor]

wait

[night girder]

and then you think "oh it didn't crash for 6 hours" and then the next day it crashed 10 times in 2 🤷‍♂️

[ornate vapor]

pvz garden warfare 2???

[night girder]

I am even getting so paranoid that I think it has to do with my household electricity or something 🤣

[charred pewter]

thats how it goes sometimes ... especially when its something like this that doesnt have a clear trigger thats reliably predictable/reproducable

[night girder]

Anyway, if I can get it stable. I am going to do a clean install anyway.

I've done so much random shit to this PC now in the hopes to fix my PC crashing.

[charred pewter]

and have you given it a bit more mV yet ?

[night girder]

More? 😮

I was thinking that my RAM is still on the defaults.

[charred pewter]

if its the card itself faulting on power ...

[night girder]

so I am not sure if they are in the correct timings either.

[charred pewter]

could just be a bum card itself, needs RMA if it is

[night girder]

I just ran multiple benchmarks with 3Dmark, one would think that puts some load on the system.

Nop, all ran perfect.

[charred pewter]

its not about load though sometimes

[night girder]

I know.

[twin dew]

Often about the near-idle or some specific switch load.

[charred pewter]

like, for example my 980ti ... only when it was in the MIDDLE of its power tier/staging, was it faulting and crashing the computer

[ornate vapor]

is gw2 here referring to pvz garden warfare 2? because if so, i could test that out real quick

[twin dew]

From full to idle or back.

[night girder]

But I was hoping that 3Dmark would crash it.

then I had a better tool to implement fixes.

Now it's fix. Wait a day in GW2 and do some alt + tabbing (switching ingame settings) etc.

[charred pewter]

right, the only way i figured out my issue, was to find that 'spot' to stand on the sword coast in ESO... which caused my card to go into the power middle-of-the-road mode, and crapped out.... consistently

[night girder]

still so weird it crashed so many times yesterday in the same period of time. It was like 5-6 crashes in a few hours. And I am doing everything the same as I did yesterday.

So that sounds more like a heat issue.

[charred pewter]

cause any games i was playing that maxed my card out (most of them)... i never had an issue. and games that were so low-key (like ONI) where my card was basically idle... would also not trigger it

[ornate vapor]

@night girder this game?

[charred pewter]

GW2 is GW2 ... there is no other

thats PZGW2 ... not GW2 🙂

[ornate vapor]

what is gw2 then

[charred pewter]

:wat:

[twin dew]

Guild Wars 2

[night girder]

Ah sorry. My bad.

[ornate vapor]

ohhhh

[charred pewter]

thats odd ... i put in :wat: in the editor... and it shows this instead, but when i hit return... it goes back to :wat: ... lol

[edgy hazel]

external emotes are blocked

[charred pewter]

is that external ??? i dont have nitro

[hardy forge]

Does anyone else get annoyed reinstalling PhysX systems every driver update cause i do

[charred pewter]

goes so fast i dont notice it

how about every game that runs the directx installer, when i got every version of that already installed? or how bout vcredist? 😄

[night girder]

doesn't matter

[hardy forge]

Everytime i update my 2080 super, the physX system never gets replaced i always have to reinstall the driver after deleting it

[night girder]

discord shows features to normal users, and then when you want to use that features, slaps you with a pop-up about Nitro

[charred pewter]

you have to do it manually you mean??? wow

[hardy forge]

Yes

Every blood Update!

[charred pewter]

no, not here... physx gets updated (if it has an update) whenever i run the nvidia update exe

[hardy forge]

Mine doesnt get updated

[charred pewter]

i dont think physx has been updated for years though 😆

[twin dew]

Because it doesn't allow if you already have the same version installed.
As no install is needed.

[hardy forge]

Dont tell me ive been reinstalling my driver for a solid 6 months everytime

My version is 9.21.0713
Whats yalls

[night girder]

0

[charred pewter]

same

[night girder]

bro, you green team.

[charred pewter]

installed in early 2022 on my machine

[night girder]

oh.

[charred pewter]

thats when i actually installed win11

[night girder]

I though you meant, same "0"

[charred pewter]

same to johhny 😉

[hardy forge]

eh im confused

unless yall use amd or intel arc

or something

[charred pewter]

i have a 3080 ... win11 ... just built/installed win11 last year, and thats when my version of physx was installed, and i have the same version you just said

since then ive done multiple nvidia updates...

i think im behind on the most RECENT one...

[charred pewter]

yeah im behind on the main driver ...

[twin dew]

So that PhysX was last updated long time ago.

[night girder]

I am AMD. A few are here.

think frigid is the only nvidia in here atm. (in this convo).

[hardy forge]

Oh ok

[edgy hazel]

thanks for reminding me to update btw

[twin dew]

Yup, last updated to that 9.21.0713 in 2021-10-15.
https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/drivers/physx/physx-9-21-0713-driver/

[hardy forge]

ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!

2 BLOODY YEARS AGO!!!

[edgy hazel]

yeah physx is dead

[charred pewter]

went open source too i think ... its just .. gonzers

[hardy forge]

Ive wasted soo much time reinstalling my driver...everytime

[charred pewter]

think of it as cleaning out possible corruption 😉

[night girder]

OMG HERG!

You were still on 23.11.1

[charred pewter]

no wonder herg not having troubles ? 😄

new drivers dont always mean best drivers 😉

[edgy hazel]

I mean yeah they're optional drivers

Not recommended

[night girder]

🤨

I am not on beta drivers.

[edgy hazel]

Optional is beta

[night girder]

the one you posted is just main branch. Not optional?

or am I misunderstanding you?

[edgy hazel]

Let me check when I'm back home

[night girder]

ffs, piece of shit game, just crash already. Don't tempt me! Stop giving me false hope.

[edgy hazel]

jesus christ this update

so I updated it

and it behaves just as it did before

[night girder]

Adrenaline?

You blind? The UI changed 🤣

[edgy hazel]

yes no issues

[night girder]

I don't have any issues with it either.

But the UI clearly changed. They added features.

also, I read the patch notes so there is that too 🤣

[charred pewter]

someone stop me, i must stop buying shit ! aahhhh christmas time !!! ahhhh

[night girder]

can you buy me a new PSU? a 4090. A new mobo. And throw in a CPU or something.

[charred pewter]

not a 4090 =p

save the $1000 ... get a rocken 4080 ... then when the 5080 come out, you got that saved $1000 to spend 😄

[edgy hazel]

poor raspi 😦

[charred pewter]

bets that the 5080 will be $2400 base lol

ROGress? ... https://tenor.com/view/scooby-doo-woof-bark-ruh-roh-gif-4303248

[night girder]

we'll see, the reseat is giving me ~~false ~~hope.

[edgy hazel]

my man can't handle it

[charred pewter]

900 mhz? wow, that gives flashbacks to the day

i had a 80mhz add-in card for my mac Quadra 800 towaer

hm

brain as bad as those old cpus

but it FELT LIKE 500mhz back then !!!!!!

talk about getting 30fps in a game 😆

"Apple® today announced the ultimate digital powerhouse for creative professionals—the new Power Mac™ G4 featuring dual 1-GHz PowerPC G4 processors, the industry’s first NVIDIA GeForce4 graphics card and a DVD/CD burning SuperDrive™, priced at just $2,999(US)."

[night girder]

You must be pulled out of your immersion the whole time 😉

[charred pewter]

just $3k

[night girder]

Anyone from new zealand by any chance in here? 🤣

[charred pewter]

those were exciting days, where i actually had goosebumps watching the keynote and the 'reveal' of the G4 tower ...

the first G3 tower reveal floored me back then, i was like 'holy fuck cow almighty' ...

after the fruity colored "iMacs" hit the scene... i was wanning , and then completely lost interest in anything apple was doing

i just cant get excited about anything they release anymore

even though the recent "M3" reveal was some pretty impressive hardware... im like, meh

[edgy hazel]

i am a fool

a buffooooon

yes let me create the .env file 50 times only to realize that I'm creating it IN THE RONG DIRECTORY

[charred pewter]

my total pc part spending over the last 20 years in review:

less than $1k/yr average... i think im doing ok (or not spending enough??)

dang, my SB-Z card is a decade old now ????

and STILL is better than onboard options

[twin dew]

Because the onboards are done on cheap, and with audio you cannot get good result with so low budged, in as noisy place as inside a computer case.

[charred pewter]

given how cheap a SBz is, (and small) ... i'd actually pay that extra $50 for a higher end 'gaming board' that included that chipset ON it

i mean, they are 'including high end series 7 wifi' ... which, to me is completely pointless in a tower motherboard

wire your network connection like a real user... dont rely on that wifi nambypanby stuff

last gen boards i was able to get a board that didnt include wifi ... was a nice option. this gen now ... cant find a board without wifi ... yet i CAN still find boards that offer ddr4 ?!?! lol

all the while, audio options are like they still think everyone plays things out of the mono-speaker wafer that is on the motherboard

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/this-shit-aint-nothin-to-gif-10654407095131904619

[charred pewter]

is that uhhh ... gramps munster ?

[edgy hazel]

We on that external dac

[edgy hazel]

you don't know dracula flow?

[charred pewter]

apparently not ?

[edgy hazel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-7gbWKbXbQ
watch this

[charred pewter]

how about nicolas cage as dracula ...

https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-dracula-nicolas-cage-renfield-movie-excited-gif-5804140535555920029

[charred pewter]

is that one of the skarsgard guys ?

[edgy hazel]

it altered my speaking habits permanently

[charred pewter]

could be Robert Patrick

[edgy hazel]

call that pussy the matrix, cuz I'm in this bitch and I can't get out

[charred pewter]

lol

wonder how letterdeif is doing with the crash

[night girder]

so far so good.

Just went afk for an hour. Came back. Saw a black screeen. I though: oh no, here we go again.

Shaked my mouse and everything is still up and running 👍

but like, c'mon reseating a GPU, replacing the cables. Can't be the fix.

[charred pewter]

especially if it was just one game that did it

[night girder]

exactly.

so I am just waiting. It will crash today or tomorrow.

[charred pewter]

but then.... if it was a cable issue, and the game gets into a specific power draw... it could be it

[night girder]

yeah, did you see picture?

[charred pewter]

which one?

[night girder]

that's the one I replaced 😒

It even broke off, it shouldn't really matter. Aslong as the wire is intact.

[edgy hazel]

good ol layer 0

[night girder]

but it doesn't say: quality 👌

[night girder]

Also I increased the graphics even more than when it was crashing. To put more load onto it 🤣

[charred pewter]

which means if it is a problem of starving at mid-load... having higher load will not make it happen

if you can get the card to be more loaded in all your games, and its more stable that way, then do so 🙂

do AMD have a 'power curve' like the NV?

or is it a straight shot number for 'boost' and 'idle'

[night girder]

so far it happens mostly in highly dense areas, with either a lot of players, or a lot of skills going off. A lot of players is 50-100.

highly dense areas = more to process/render = more power

alt + tab can also lead to power peaks.

[charred pewter]

but is that CPU bound, or GPU for all those 'people and particles' ?

[night girder]

if GPU wasn't seated properly, or the PCIE cables weren't... who knows?

Would be weird if it's CPU.

Because yesterday it was switching high graphics to low graphics back and forth in a highly dense city and I crashed 5 times in a row.

Oooh, I just had a massive freeze when I alt + tabbed to discord. I think it's gonna crash 🤣

This is my camping spot 😄

[charred pewter]

more people around in mmo's usually puts more strain on a cpu

[night girder]

Hey Frigid, want to see some shitty UX desxign on a website?

[charred pewter]

I KNOW WHAT IT IS! ... its all the data mining bots grabbing the conversations between you and the game and discord, and its causing a machine crash!

[night girder]

I know, but what was the alt + tabbing then? What was the graphic switching then?

[night girder]

The text below says: year before 1900 not allowed. Instead of checking that, you could just NOT allow values below 1900 to be entered like I did. Shiiiiiity UX.

[charred pewter]

i miss MMO's that had good speech bubbles to chat with people ... it actually drove people to huddle up in-game and talk, you knew who and where they were when talking too, more personal. you could see little groups of people standing together talking about stuff (but not read it since you were too far) ...

[night girder]

GW2 has text bubbles :3

[night girder]

And I know that. But CPU is not rendering those on the screen is it?

[charred pewter]

thats a problem with 'typed input' fields mostly ... having to actively check on each keypress is usually more time consuming to code up in js, than just tossing a vaildation check on submit

now, its the date entries that are dropdown menus than have 1900 as a year choice ... when its not allowed... thats when i go 🤦

[night girder]

yeah, in the 90's.

Welcome to the new modern time

Tools can do this validation easy peasy. More resource heavy devices.

Fuck, if a phone can run some AI like chatGPT, it better be able to have a tool that can validate every keystroke.

and it's only 12 keys.

xx/xx/xxxx, not going to melt a server.

[charred pewter]

for example our 'expire date' field for credit card ... it just goes red if you put any year older than this year, and moth+year that is older than this month ... its basic validation on text input which helps prevent people from first trying to submit a form and getting an error second

you have to realize ... coding all the validation into javascript .... vs just doing a date check on submit ... are two entirely different "business value" time considerations

i know its hard to believe that some companies wont spend the extra day letting their engineers code it up nicer ... cause 'its costing the company money on something they dont see a point for'

but those companies exist... just look at ubisoft

or basically every damned online banking website ....

bank of americas website is HORRIFIC in this sense of poor input pages and forms

and "why they dont" always boils down to them not wanting to spend the man-hours to make it better when the bare minimum gets the jobs done 😦

[night girder]

it's not even developers coding it.

it's just basic code templates.

languages like angular are so quick now, that it shouldn't really hurt. Most websites are slogging down for other reasons.

[twin dew]

Open source must not be used, and closed source cannot be lisenced!

[charred pewter]

yeah, thats the last thing i would want my bank website to do... is use open source canned code

[twin dew]

Including libraries and frameworks etc.

[night girder]

Oh boy ...

[charred pewter]

wordpress ftw! ... there goes my money

[night girder]

banks use code templates.

angular material is used btw by all the large companies. So it's totally fine.

I think it's even made by twitter or google.

[twin dew]

Some do, but lot of idiot exec use that kind of thinking.
And Bank of America is one that most probably has that kind of thinking at the top.

I wasn't talking what is logical, but what some MBAs and exec people think like.

[night girder]

<mat-form-field> <input matInput [matDatepicker]="picker" placeholder="Choose a date"> <mat-datepicker-toggle matSuffix [for]="picker"></mat-datepicker-toggle> <mat-datepicker #picker></mat-datepicker> </mat-form-field>

`import {Component} from '@angular/core';

/** @title Basic datepicker */
@Component({
selector: 'datepicker-overview-example',
templateUrl: 'datepicker-overview-example.html',
styleUrls: ['datepicker-overview-example.css'],
})
export class DatepickerOverviewExample {}`

just a bit of html and typescript. And you are good to go.

That's what I learned, don't reinvent the wheel. Time is money. Make wise descisions between using what is already available and writing it yourself.

The first thing most junior developers do, is trying to reinvent the wheel.

[twin dew]

And at some companies, you are forced to reinvent the wheel, as usage of the ready solutions isn't allowed.

[night girder]

I don't work for such companies. Because they probably going to bitch it's taking too long.

Well "duh, you want everything custom made"

I worked for a bank, we used templates. It's just ... the smart thing to do?

it's harmless. It's like not trusting Java. Or Python itself.

Angular is already a framework. And Material is more of a UI framework withing Angular.

It's made by a team from Google.

Twitter has made bootstrap.

ng-bootstrap.github.io/#/components/accordion/examples

Shit, it crashed again 🤣

[twin dew]

Again, doesn't matter if the managers, upper leadership or security team in the specific company don't allow use things like that...
Or it is old project and you would need to convert the whole thing over instead of doing small thing fast, badly.

[night girder]

yeah I know

again, it crashed right after I alt + tabbed

So maybe it is CPU like you said frigid.

19:19 -> "The maximum file size for session "Power Efficiency Diagnostic Logger" has been reached. As a result, events might be lost (not logged) to file "C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Power Efficiency Diagnostics\energy-trace.etl". The maximum files size is currently set to 209715200 bytes."

at 19:33:20 -> crash 😒

Tomorrow I will do a clean install.

And else. I don't know proably throw in the towel 🤣

[charred pewter]

try the bump in volts .... least rule that out

[twin dew]

Try giving the CPU +10 Curve Optimizer offset?
Or GPU +20mV voltage?

[charred pewter]

if it works, it means the card itself is too much out of spec to run reliably

[night girder]

I am really not comfortable doing that since I have barely a clue what I am doing.

[twin dew]

Giving CPU little more voltage at each frequency step.

About 0.03V with that +10 CO.

[night girder]

I don't OC 🤣

Wouldn't even know where to do that. In BIOS?

[twin dew]

Yes, BIOS.
And that is opposite of OC, as the max clocks get tiny bit lower probably.

[night girder]

So, is this a test to see if PSU is at fault here?

[twin dew]

Not PSU directly in those cases.
Those are if the default turbo behavior feeds CPU or GPU with too little voltage for them to work reliably when load changes.

[night girder]

I ask because I read this today:

[twin dew]

That would be marginal PSU for the card.

[night girder]

PSU described in reddit: Seasonic Focus Plus Gold 750w

[twin dew]

Too high momentary current draw.

[night girder]

AMD 3800x .

[twin dew]

Which had really hair trigger over current protection in some older models.

[night girder]

I have Seasonic Focus GX 750 PSU

[twin dew]

How old one?

[night girder]

2 months

[twin dew]

Ok, shouldn't affect the new units AFAIK.

[night girder]

So I should do this: CPU +10 Curve Optimizer offset. Which will underclock my CPU?

[twin dew]

And usually if PSU protections trigger, the computer shuts down.
Doesn't automatically reset.

[night girder]

Yeah weird thing is, I don't even see a power shortage in the RGB.

Like I don't see my RGB go on and off for even a second.

[twin dew]

So more likely not PSU thing then.

Because the PSU protections trigger relay at the PSU input.
Shutting the whole thing down.

[night girder]

Ok.

[twin dew]

Even that screenshot talks about shutdowns at the end.

[twin dew]

It feed the CPU more voltage, that causes it to heat little more, which can limit the turbo little.

If it is hitting the thermal or power limits normally.

[night girder]

Ok 👍

I am just trying to find a screenshot of the bios.

[twin dew]

What board was it?

[night girder]

B650M Pro Rs

[twin dew]

download.asrock.com/Manual/Software/AMD B650/Software_BIOS Setup Guide_English.pdf

[twin dew]

So IIRC ASRock doesn't have the CO settings in their own side, and need to go into AMD Overclocking, moment.

That is similar, but different.

More dangerous AFAIK.
Moment

[night girder]

No rush

[twin dew]

Advanced,
AMD Overclocking,
Accept,
Precision Boost Overdrive,
Precision Boost Overdrive -> Advanced,
Curve Optimizer,
Curve Optimizer -> All Cores
All Core Curve Optimizer Sign -> Positive
All Core Curve Optimizer Magnitude -> 10

[night girder]

brb

CPU didn't blow up 👍

let's see how long it takes to crash now 😄

But like I said earlier, I will do a clean install anyway pretty soon. Been messing around too much 😄

And there is just too many random fixes out on the GW2 forums.

[twin dew]

Or this one wasn't really RAM, but something else.
And that got fixed with the new CPU and MB.

[night girder]

^ exact. SAME.

[twin dew]

But like said much earlier, it can be something about how the game is coded interacting wrong with GPU driver or something else.

On alt-tab.

[night girder]

Oh sorry I missed that.

I am just getting a bit overwhelmed with all these random solutions.

[twin dew]

Or just that specific thing causing suitable current demand change to cause issues if the CPU or GPU is marginal on stability.

At just the right point of their operating curve.

Which that CO +10 test is about.

[night girder]

I see.

We offset everything, so the curved changed.

[twin dew]

More margin at all points.

[night girder]

reducing the likeability that "all the stars align" for this crash to occur. I say it in my simple word 😊

[twin dew]

The reason I had to use month to test my curve optimizer negative offsets.

[night girder]

what do you mean with margin btw?

[twin dew]

CPU needs X volts to work at the specific frequency.
When the load changes upwards, the voltage the CPU actually has to use drops for tiny moment, as there is latency in the VRM, when the VRM has to ramp up to deliver more amperage.
If there isn't enough voltage margin between what the CPU actually needs, and what was being delivered before the load change, you get problems.
As the actual delivered voltage can drop below what the CPU needs.

You cannot normally feed just what is needed, you need to give more, to handle the downward spikes.
Undervolting is about reducing that margin to get better performance.

[night girder]

I understand.

It's a reserve to counter latency of VRM that has to ramp up to deliver more amperage.

[twin dew]

As example:
CPU needs 1.0V to work.
When it ramps from low load to high load, the voltage it gets 0.1V less than asked for for a moment.
So you need to deliver 1.1V normally to not fail on that load spike.

[night girder]

I see. Thanks

[twin dew]

And to get that 1.1V to the CPU, the VRM might for example need to output 1.15V during low load, and 1.3V at high load.

As there is resistance between the VRM and the CPU die, from MB traces, from socket, etc.

[night girder]

ok, but that's something else?

[twin dew]

Goes into why there is that latency.

[night girder]

I see.

[twin dew]

It is from the VRM ramping up from 1.15V to 1.30V output.

[night girder]

But what did we just do? Did we increase the VRM 1.15V? Or do we deliver more to CPU?

[twin dew]

We just changed what the CPU asks the VRM to deliver it.

If it asked for 1.1V before, it might now ask for 1.105V.

[night girder]

Would blow me away if this works 🤣

[twin dew]

And if it works, then it is time to try for CPU RMA.
As the CPU is faulty.

[night girder]

yeah wanted to say that. But it's too early for conclussions.

still, it's counter intuitive that the crash doesn't happen in other games. Someone said on the forums it's possible that GW2 just access the CPU in a way other games don't.

[twin dew]

Things like that are about just exactly the right load level change.

[night girder]

but 3Dmark ran two tests one after another and no crash.

[twin dew]

If the CPU is new and passed the factory tests.

Three people so far with Ryzen 5000 CPUs that needed +10 CO for U8 to work stable on their computers.
No problems in anything else.
Unfortunately all out of warranty already.

[night girder]

euhm, I guess mine is out of warranty

pff, another 250 or more for a CPU would suck.

[twin dew]

No AM5 CPU should be out of warranty yet?
But then american side might be just bad on that too.

2 years here on EU side minimum.

[night girder]

don't we forfeit warranty when we OC it?

or mess with the voltage like we just did

[charred pewter]

they cant tell what software changes you made

its not like you delidded it to oc

[night girder]

herg

[edgy hazel]

wrong window ;-;

[twin dew]

And in this case the positive offset was about debugging.
The problem was there before it, and the extra voltage fixed the issue, showing that the CPU default voltage table is faulty on some corner case.
If the crash gets fixed.

[night girder]

pff if

how many days have i been nagging this server now, and I am really doing my best to search the internet for solutions. And implement them.

but it's just that I have to wait for hours to see if it worked.

[edgy hazel]

mfer is dead dead

raspi shitting it's pants and I can't even kill the containers because it's hanging too much

[night girder]

eh, what raspi you bought?

[edgy hazel]

BOUGHT?

[night girder]

stole

[dusk rivet]

acquired

[edgy hazel]

I got this 2b shortly after release for my birthday

it's older than some people in this chat

[dusk rivet]

probably me

[edgy hazel]

2015

[dusk rivet]

lot younger than i thought you were gonna say

[edgy hazel]

almost 9 years

[dusk rivet]

i sure hope it's not older than anyone in this chat

undoubtedly is tho

[jagged snow]

me

[edgy hazel]

😓

Still less vulnerabilities than the average small companies

[charred pewter]

lol that is really annoying ..... so when i reboot my laptop, it wont let me use my mouse/keyboard until i sign in =p ...

so i have to fish out my laptop, open the lid, then sign in using its built-in keyboard

THANKS APPLE 🖕

[edgy hazel]

work or personal?

[charred pewter]

work

[gilded helm]

Some sort of security or power saving related to the ports?

[edgy hazel]

ping your infosec team regarding that or open a ticket

[charred pewter]

something like that ... it wont allow any 'periphals' to be used until i sign in

im amazing at least the external monitor lit up showing me that

(which is why i had it in clamshell mode)

[edgy hazel]

disabling external IO is a newish feature for macos and they might have enabled that without thinking

new-ish for endpoint managers

we're enabling that next week and I'm so happy that I have vacation and will switch away from support next year anyways

[charred pewter]

heh

[edgy hazel]

and if you have issues with your work devices, just spam your IT anyways

you pay em for that anyways

you fuckin bourgeoisie mf

sry that one was out of pocket

[night girder]

here we go

[edgy hazel]

THE WORKES ARE ENTITLED TO THE VALUE THEY CREATE

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-communism-gif-19427247

[night girder]

have you tried just reconnecting them? If it's usb.

[charred pewter]

with the same effort as opening it up and signing in using its laptop ...

and bigger chance of things going sideways by yanking cables out while its waiting 😉

[night girder]

but yeah if reconnecting helps

then it's just a bug, not a feature.

[charred pewter]

it clearly says it on the login screen: "To use your peripherals, sign in"

[night girder]

🤦‍♂️

[charred pewter]

apparently an external keyboard and mouse are so dangerous they lock those out until you sign in

[night girder]

I don't have that.

[charred pewter]

(even though its an APPLE keyboard lol)

[night girder]

Haha, get rekt.

[charred pewter]

must be a Ventura thing

never seen that before honestly

[edgy hazel]

yeah that's s jamf or intune policy

kill your infosec team

[night girder]

you have one?

[edgy hazel]

yes we have one

[night girder]

not you, frigid.

[visual tree]

Goodbye 3G, you will be missed 👋

[edgy hazel]

it won't

[visual tree]

I guess I have nostalgia for inferior and outdated technologies

[edgy hazel]

every time I'm in a train and it goes to 3G I secretly want to kill everyone in the wagon

[visual tree]

Kinda like when they shutdown analog TV signal and moved to DVB

I remember all the pain that I had with analog TV signal

I get 3G on the train when it moves near the mountain where the signal is weaker. It's a 3 minute ride though so I don't mind

[edgy hazel]

It's 20 minutes for me

[languid gulch]

reminds me of this story

[visual tree]

What I do mind is train Wi-Fi which rarely works properly

[languid gulch]

www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-54239180

[edgy hazel]

train wifi is just your mobile but without costing anything

they just use a mobile connection too

[visual tree]

Yeah, I know. Bus wi-fi is surprisingly decent though

[night girder]

lucky you

[edgy hazel]

bus wifi

you're speaking in tongues

[jagged snow]

Imagine having public transit with wifi

Actually, imagine having public transport

[edgy hazel]

I use pt almost every day ;-;

[visual tree]

It's not a public transport bus thought. It's the one that connects different cities 😅

Public transport sucks at everything, including wi-fi

[jagged snow]

Intercity bus still counts as public transport

[edgy hazel]

what is your definition of public transport?

bus is bus

[jagged snow]

In this case, I'm using it in the same way I would mass transit

[edgy hazel]

like all public transport in germany is privatised but I still consider it public

[night girder]

lol

[visual tree]

Here, when people say "public transport", they usually mean on the city transport.

[edgy hazel]

it sucks

[visual tree]

And when we talk about buses that connect different cities, we tend to call them "private drivers"

[night girder]

really?

[edgy hazel]

I go throug 5 cities on my way to work

what is wrong with your country

[visual tree]

Can't find the exact english term but it's something like that

[visual tree]

Everything 🤣

[night girder]

you don't mean private contractors by any chance?

[visual tree]

Oh, something like that

[night girder]

Yeah I know what you mean.

[visual tree]

They are different from public transport as they have different rules

[night girder]

Here, it's one company for whole Flanders.

Different one for Brussels. And then different for Wallonia

and they in turn hire other companies to provide bus drivers.

And it sucks. The buses fall apart. They are dirty everywhere.

[visual tree]

Yeah, my former boss was in belgium once and complained about public transport

Ours is 10 times worse though

[edgy hazel]

these are the providers for public transport

[visual tree]

Translated croatian wikipedia. The buses I mentioned are "private buses" and don't belong in the public transport category

[dire igloo]

Thüringen, wtf?

[visual tree]

How much do you pay for train? My 30-day ticket is around €44

[edgy hazel]

we know they have bigger problems

[dire igloo]

At least now it's 49€ for Deutschland-Ticket

I'm paying less than 25€ cuz Jobticket

[edgy hazel]

wtf

[visual tree]

I should be paying less than €10 considering trains are sometimes late for 1 hour....

[edgy hazel]

I hate you

I pay 31/mo for azubi ticket

[dire igloo]

My condolences

Does your employer not offer Jobticket?

[edgy hazel]

oh I get it back yes

but I don't consider that

[dire igloo]

Might as well spend the extra 18€

[night girder]

One month.

[jagged snow]

All of yall complaining about 40e/month

[night girder]

#off-topic-tech message What you one about 🤣

[jagged snow]

I end up well over 200 plenty of times

140 is still a lot less than I end up with

[dire igloo]

Wanted to take an ICE that went from Hamburg to Basel.
It stopped at two smaller stations before Hamburg Main Station and then built up 30m delay going to Bremen - where the trip ended and the train was taken to repair

[dire igloo]

Oh FUCK

[night girder]

no politics 😦

[dire igloo]

88 seats is... Ironic

[edgy hazel]

They are racist racist

[visual tree]

When you reverse UNO and hop on the train that is 1 hour late and was supposed to arrive 1 hour earlier before you arrived on the station

Happened a few times

[edgy hazel]

That's just German ICE

[night girder]

80,8% accuracy with our trains. And the measurement is: later than 6 minutes = actually too late.

[edgy hazel]

6 minutes

A dreams

[dire igloo]

We don't even announce delays under 5m

[night girder]

So yeah 80% more or less arives within 6 minutes 😄

was in the newspaper a week or two ago

[edgy hazel]

Under 5 is still on time

[dire igloo]

Meanwhile Germany:
10 stops regularly, 5 on time, 2 delayed, 3 canceled = 7 stops total, 5 on time, 71.4% on time

[edgy hazel]

5 is expected

[night girder]

but I know from a buddy of mine who works there in IT. That if the time is, 6:59, they round it to 6

[dire igloo]

If you need to switch trains, you usually consider at least 15m of buffer to catch your connecting train

[dire igloo]

Bruh THAT would be the least of my worries

[night girder]

but I mean those are details. Still funny they coded it like that 🤣

[dire igloo]

In big bang theory, Sheldon makes a joke along the lines of "on time like a German train" - Americans find it funny cuz they think it's true, Germans because they know it ain't

[edgy hazel]

my boss understand that I take a lot of homeoffice because the public transport is so shit

I wake up at 5 to take my bus at 6 to arrive at work at 7:30

[visual tree]

I wonder what the japanese think when they use our trains and realise how bad they are

Hope they won't sue us for emotional damage

[night girder]

and people wonder why the car is still so popular

[edgy hazel]

oh no you don't want to drive into frankfurt with a car

[night girder]

I am not driving into germany

[edgy hazel]

you loose one year life expectancy everytime you do it

[night girder]

haha, sound familiar

[dire igloo]

Sounds like Münster tbh.
Largest town in Germany without proper rail public transport (>320k people), majority is Bus.
They are understaffed so they cut down even more

It's one of the many things I dearly miss from living in Karlsruhe

[night girder]

Try to visit Brussels. You die

[edgy hazel]

my life goal is either moving to the netherlands or to karlsruhe

[dire igloo]

Karlsruhe was lovely

I'll move back there eventually

[edgy hazel]

Born there, will die there.

[night girder]

don't go to the netherlands, just trust me

[dire igloo]

Yeah, their language sounds so weird

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-minecraft-nether-sup-gif-26757983

[night girder]

No, something totally else.

Herg will hate it.

[dire igloo]

Luxemburg was quite nice

[edgy hazel]

o rich boi

[dire igloo]

Oh yeah. #off-topic-tech message

[edgy hazel]

but Karlsruhe is my fucking dream city

Frankfurt is just urine and cars

[dire igloo]

Got invited there by the German ambassador - who just so happened to have taken a year abroad at the same college as my parents.
So when they did a "foreign student reunion", he invited them and a few other alumni over for a barbeque - kids included

I got to wear a robe of a judge at the European Union court

[dire igloo]

Don't forget the needles

[night girder]

👆

[visual tree]

@dire igloo https://youtube.com/shorts/BVeBVl9jvVw?feature=shared

[edgy hazel]

I regularly go through Frankfurt HBF

[visual tree]

Lesson learned: don't use the word "cancelled" when waiting for a train in Germany

[dire igloo]

Had to do that too after my train from Hamburg to Basel barely even managed to reach Bremen

[edgy hazel]

In the last 2 years I saw more than 20 people OD

[dire igloo]

Anyways, sleepy time.
Good night y'all

[edgy hazel]

whhhaaaaat you got work next week?

imagine not having vacation

https://tenor.com/view/vacation-gif-23399352

In september I still had 30 days vacation left so I'm in my regularly time off phase

[night girder]

so you're 24/7 drunk modus

[edgy hazel]

you remember my pepsi picture

[night girder]

no.

[night girder]

Laphroaig in the background nice

[edgy hazel]

yeah but that's not getting drunk alc

[night girder]

it isn't?

[edgy hazel]

no????? it's a cigar and whiskey alc

[night girder]

it's good

[edgy hazel]

I love it

but it's a good time whiskey and not a let's get blasted whiskey

tullamore on the other hand

[night girder]

never heard of it

[edgy hazel]

it's the best mixer

[night girder]

will see if I can find it in the shop

[edgy hazel]

It's like 15€

If you're ever like "I need a whiskey for whiskey coke or shots but not a whiskey whiskey" you pick them

[night girder]

if I can find them

[edgy hazel]

https://www.tumblr.com/splendidland/69619663115/my-idea-for-a-new-disney-world-ride-please-signal
Happy 10th anniversary to the dicksmasher ride

[dusk rivet]

now that is funny