off-topic-tech

[edgy hazel]

I had a fuck amd attitude for a while, until I realized that onedrive was fucking it all up

[night girder]

like disabling hardware acceleration in discord might fix the symptoms, doesn't mean it was the actually problem.

and also, why did it only happen with GW 2 so far 🤔

I alt + tabbed a lot when I played RD2. Maybe I didn't had discord open.

[night girder]

One of the first things I did was uninstall onedrive. Simply because I didn't ask for it.

[edgy hazel]

I use it so 🤷‍♂️

[night girder]

ah, sucks for you

[edgy hazel]

It's a terabyte of storage

[charred pewter]

true, and it might be why the bug exists... how many people play GW2 and alt-tab to Discord a lot to trigger it...

[edgy hazel]

It's actually very useful

[charred pewter]

games do weird things when alt-tabbed ... look at basically every Ubisoft game. alt-tabbing is so unpredictable what happens 😄

heck, even just LAUNCHING a ubisoft game, i get different results sometimes !

[night girder]

I got my own cloud so 🤷‍♂️

[charred pewter]

you do?

[night girder]

yeah, my NAS. It has a cloud application to sync files across devices.

[charred pewter]

but its not a cloud 'out there' though ...

[night girder]

I can use it from my phone if I want. Anywhere I want, aslong as I have internet. But the same goes for cloud.

[charred pewter]

sort of a 'local cloud' but remotely accessible ...

[night girder]

a cloud is just a server you access remotely

[charred pewter]

well, to me, a cloud would be a server that is ALWAYS remote (thus never in danger of being burned down with your house along with your computer)

[edgy hazel]

Yeah I currently don't want all my shit saved on a server made by a novice

[night girder]

Yeah, cloud has multiple datacenters spread around the world.

But Synology calls it a private cloud.

[charred pewter]

right

[night girder]

If I want, I can back-up my NAS to other cloud services 🤔

[charred pewter]

hehe

we use some of google drive space for just storing shit... google gave us 200TB to work with

its amazing how much space psd files eat up

especailly after 30 years

[night girder]

not at all to me 😒

I have single psd files of multiple GB

[charred pewter]

publishers will email us 200gb psd files too 😦

for "one game"

[night girder]

yup, the cost of quality

[charred pewter]

its certainly nice to get layers and high res... can really do a lot with those parts

[night girder]

you can probably print those on a canvas the size of a building. Because it has so many pixels.

[charred pewter]

instead of a publisher who is like "eh, just use google images"

(and yes, we have some like that lol)

its goes back to what you said about why a company wont fill out the specs on amazon right ......

there is an amazing lot of publishers/companies that simply do the minimal work

like how hard is it to get the specs from the developers... how hard is it to type those into a page detail on a storefront ... do you not want to sell the product?

[night girder]

it frustrates the hell out of me

how am I, as a consumer, know how to buy what, if you don't get the full picture of a product?

[charred pewter]

you are supposed to find the product specs on the mfg website and look there ... a website that insists on putting their details in a mile long scrolling "text (image)" "(image) text" format

🙄

[night girder]

to me, it more looks like a scam. Because I can look up the specs on the real website? But what if the product on amazon is a fake.

and that's why the specs are different? 😒

[charred pewter]

yup!

or the SAME product is listed THREE times with the SAME details !??!?!

its hard for the actual storefront to currate thousands of products at once, it really is reliant on the product seller (provider/publisher/etc) to provide accurate/clear details for their own product page

[night girder]

When I was looking up fans*, I noticed that the airflow. Was different accross multiple retailers.

So yeah, that's when I looked up the fan at brand website itself. But still confusing as hell.

Means you cannot trust it and have to verify it yourself.

[charred pewter]

indeed 😦

newegg is really notorious for really bonkers details on products

and they have a 'compare' feature too! and when you compare three boards for example, its all over the place on specs

[night girder]

and nobody really cares, except a few of us, and that's why it keeps happening.

[charred pewter]

yeah, they also dont have anyway to report content errors to like crowd source

we sorta do, anyone can write a support ticket mentioning a product page has wrong info ... its rare, but some people let us know and we fix it pronto

generally though its ok, if not lacking in the system requirements department

[night girder]

now you mention it, I sometimes wonder if it makes even sense to report stuff

I always think that tickets go in some void.

[charred pewter]

you wonder on some sites... like when i report a stream being corrupted on amazon prime.... does it GO ANYWHERE

[night girder]

and even if it does go anywhere, probably ignored.

[charred pewter]

Bosch Legacy Season 2 Ep 4 was corrupted as fuck, and i reported it...

still corrupted as fuck lol

all the other eps in the season are FINE

[night girder]

wtf

Amazon Prime?

[charred pewter]

yeah, Amazon Prime Video

[night girder]

figures

it's like the cheapo version of Netflix sometimes

[charred pewter]

i have an amazon prime subscription... its my ONLY subscription to anything paid streaming

[night girder]

I had one.

[charred pewter]

im so frugal its ridiculous ..... my normal broadcast tv channels, i get over the air free using an antenna

i wont pay my ISP to 'stream local channels' to me .... lol

they want $15/mo for thost 7 channels

[edgy hazel]

You don't have Amazon lockers near you?

[charred pewter]

i dont sub to apple+ disney+ mgm+ netflix paramount+ ... all those damned services .... lol

[edgy hazel]

Free shipping without prime

[night girder]

Amazon Prime Video content really depends on region/country. To me, it wasn't that interesting. Not a lot of content suited for me. Also, since I live in Belgium half the shit is in French. But I speak Flemish! And they don't even provide subtitles or nothing. Amazon is like every person in Belgium speaks French.

[charred pewter]

i do, its in the heart of a college campus, very difficult to reach (unless you go there for school)

[charred pewter]

oh man thats gotta suck yeah

[edgy hazel]

Just tell them you're a CEO

[charred pewter]

=p

[night girder]

imagine having to watch naruto in french 😒

[charred pewter]

everyone is a ceo of their self-employed business in america !

[charred pewter]

faaaake newwwws

[night girder]

still funny though 😛

good example of thinking out of the box.

[edgy hazel]

Like the dude buying tons of ladybugs and releasing them, having to pay 250k

Which actually was real

[night girder]

The Ladybug Raid refers to a series of viral videos by TikToker @arkeslo who in April 2022 purportedly bought and released 100 million ladybugs into New York City's Central Park, purchasing them for $75. After prompting his followers to comment "Ladybug Raid 👹," he stated that he'd actually released them, was allegedly charged with a lawsuit for environmental terrorism and then fled the country for Colombia to avoid house arrest. The stunt was originally performed in late 2020. In 2022, it was later revealed to be a hoax, perpetrated by verified TikToker h1t1.

Seems it was a hoax.

[charred pewter]

fun

[sharp oasis]

Mmm isisnt there a dude with a frog army

I also finally have a functional and useable gpu in my rig

1660 Super for the time being wile I try to find a new gpu

[gilded helm]

Human engineered insects do have all sorts of terrifying possibilities. Africanized honeybees are one example, and we're lucky those aren't worse.

[sharp oasis]

My 1660S feels just as bad as my RX580 from drivers.

It's worse

[stray badger]

580 is more powerful irrc

[sharp oasis]

No

It's less by a bit

Has more vram tho

[lethal pebble]

what laptop would you guys say is good for school, with a stylus

[edgy hazel]

depending on your usecase

In my experience a tablet with keyboard case is better for math and stuff like that, but if you need it for graphic design or something you need more power

[lethal pebble]

ok, so what would u recomend

[edgy hazel]

I'd recommend you giving us a bit more to go off of

[lethal pebble]

ok jeeze, I want to be able to do math and stuff on it, light and decently powerful

[edgy hazel]

iPad or Samsung Tab whatever poison you like more. Both will be in the same price range.

[lethal pebble]

what about laptops

i was thinking about a zenbook but i dont need oled

[edgy hazel]

I hate laptops with touchscreens.

[lethal pebble]

ok

[edgy hazel]

they're always some 4k garbage

way too expensive and when they have a good price the other hardware in them sucks

[lethal pebble]

oh

[gilded helm]

Depending on your available desk space and willingness to carry stuff around, a laptop and a portable touchscreen are an option.

[lethal pebble]

oh yea thats an awsome idea, i never thought about that

[gilded helm]

I believe Lenovo tablets can be used either as a second screen for a laptop or standalone tablet. I have no personal experience with them, but it might be worth looking into those. Or any other tablet can be standalone or a second screen, iPads can too I think?

[edgy hazel]

oh I know those

some of my classmates have them

you know that feeling when you got a really good quality plastic? It just feels solid and all?

Those are the opposite of that feeling

[gilded helm]

Possibly tolerable, depending on price

[lethal pebble]

oh

[charred pewter]

it went very quiet in here for a long time

[dusk rivet]

spooky

[jagged snow]

That just seems to happen someitmes

[dusk rivet]

we run out of random tech things to talk about

are sp5 mini itx boards a thing?

[jagged snow]

... no

The socket itself would be half the size of the board, and there literally wouldn't be enough room for the dimm/pcie slots

[dusk rivet]

what would be the smallest form factor sp5 board

[jagged snow]

www.asrockrack.com/general/productdetail.asp?Model=GENOAD8UD-2T%2FX550&utm_source=GENOA+launch&utm_medium=11_landing+page#Specifications
Soemthing like that is about as small as you'd get

[dusk rivet]

can you post the link by itself? mobile moment

[jagged snow]

www.asrockrack.com/general/productdetail.asp?Model=GENOAD8UD-2T%2FX550&utm_source=GENOA+launch&utm_medium=11_landing+page#Specifications

You could go smaller than that with custom board designed fora specific chassis, but x/y footprint isn't nearly as big of a concern in enterprise environments as z-height is

[sharp oasis]

@jagged snow

Uhh fist my gpu dies. Now half my ram is not longer showing up in bios

This has to be a board issue

I gotta risk it

I have a B350M on hand from a buddie

Don't know what bios is on it

Syas he updated it like a year ago

Resting the ram fixed the issue

[jagged snow]

Check the readings for the voltage on the 12v and 5v rails

It could be your psu is killing components

[sharp oasis]

Must have been knocked

[sharp oasis]

Lemme check as this is on an alternate psu that tests fine

I can't find readings for the 5v and 12v rail in os

Bur 3vcc is 3.3v?

[jagged snow]

Use hwinfo

[sharp oasis]

Kk

Where

Found it

+5v is 5.08v

+12v is 12.2v but fluctuates between 12.1 and 12.2v

@jagged snow

This is on my other psu. I will rewire my main one tmr

[jagged snow]

Those are fine

But I'd be more concerned about numbers under load

Really when I'd start to worry is with values +- 500mv outside of the expected value

[sharp oasis]

Ahh

They didn't waiver much under full load on the 12v rail

Basically as much as the 1660 super could suck back

And that's like barely over 130w

[languid gulch]

would be fun to see what kinds of scores different high power GPUs would get at throttled power levels

[gilded helm]

That's just mobile GPUs.

The core configurations might be slightly off, but it's good enough.

Once you know that a mobile 4090 is really a 4080, and so forth.

[soft bloom]

anybody with experience in visualizing logarithmic data?

[edgy hazel]

dontasktoask.com/

[soft bloom]

The heck you do when there's a bunch of data on a huge scale, and you need to display it in a way that will show cumulative result per time bins without compromising the scale?

heck even asking is hard

[midnight osprey]

lol

I don't have an answer but you made me giggle

struggling to form the question I have had that recently

[soft bloom]

i just have trauma thinking about that

i understand my consciousness forgot why there was a problem because it was too unfathomable

So, imagine a bunch events. each having some value that easily goes from thousands to billions
there's also a second parameter that is linear, and a timestamp
How do you display that series in a nice timely bins to see how they evolve over time, without giving up on small changes?

[wanton orchid]

it's lacking too much context
what kind of display are you talking about
what kind of app/location you want that to happen
in what program part you want to implement that
are you asking for implementation or are you really struggling with the idea of logarithmic scale ?

I mean if you want to show Y as logarithmic
then show log(Y) instead. done

10,000 label will be at log(10,000) location

[charred pewter]

derp

wake up to maths... noooo ... brain screams n hides...

brb, gotta quit discord so i can run a backup, or discord crashes my mac 😄

[soft bloom]

there are millions of events over decades.
So displaying each one individually is hardly an option

[wanton orchid]

does not change the question nor the answer

if you think there are too many event to show a graph off of it
it's another problem

[soft bloom]

app, program, implementation doesn't matter - only the idea of how it should look & math behind it.

[soft bloom]

essentially, i used things that accumulate data into bins, such as density heatmap, 3d volume

that works nicely with linear parameter over time

[wanton orchid]

then it's easy
accumulate it through log(value)

[soft bloom]

because i can see count of event for each small bin of that param and time, displayed in color

[wanton orchid]

or it's the accumulation that needs to be log ?

all that is setting of your graph software

[soft bloom]

now here's a trick - each bin can contain thousands of event with pretty different value (lets assume value is referring to that huge scale param).
Is it even right to take a log of their sum?

[wanton orchid]

if you show the sum
and you need the show on log scale
then log the sum

but again, the scales on your thing must match too

[soft bloom]

there was an idea that i can display density heatmap of count of event per time bins and log(value) bins.
it works, but there's a problem that, visually, 10 events of log(10) seem as significant as 10 events of log(10000000)

[wanton orchid]

it's a rendering problem not a data problem

[soft bloom]

huh?

[wanton orchid]

that means you didn't log the sum

It's like you were in a car engine and was wondering how make it grip the road
just unstuck your head off of here
the road grip is at wheel level job
engine location is not for that

it's a rendering problem not a data problem

you want to render it on logarithmic scale then tell you rendering software to do that

[soft bloom]

yes, that example is when there are bins for log(value), and we simply count how many events are in each of them over time.
that is differrent idea from what i'm trying to achieve (which is not defined cause at the moment its more of "i'm not happy, i need to do better")

[wanton orchid]

the heatmap is logarithmic then
not the data fed into it

[soft bloom]

what exactly you mean by "log heatmap"?

[soft bloom]

when does the sum happend - before or after the log?

[wanton orchid]

you want the sum of even
so it's logical
you can't throw log at this
but once summed
you want to show that on logarithmic scale
so your heatmap rendering is done with log(sum) for each dot

[soft bloom]

ok, that makes the scale of value more human.
and account for both the value and count of events
but small question: can i just put a scale of log(value) on y axis?

[wanton orchid]

it's a matter of what rendering software you are using

what is even this question

I can't know what you are doing or using if you don't tell

[wanton orchid]

^

it's like if you were asking me "can the engine support twice the speed"
like what even are you talking about
your car engine maybe
your rocket engine maybe not

Unreal engine will have some bug

[soft bloom]

i can choose any software if i have the right data.
question is what's the correct idea for naming and scaling Y axes (cause its certainly not just log(value) at this point, but it can be scaled accordingly, and named something like log(sum(value))?... )

[soft bloom]

that example is not entirely correct, because all math operations can be done prior to passing data to plotting software.
moreover, i can choose from different plotting libraries so its really not a question of software for me, but rather the idea of what i can display to make it understandable and usefull

[midnight osprey]

For me it’s because I sometimes lack what I like to call foundational knowledge. Therefore, sometimes I have no clue what to even ask.

[wanton orchid]

ok so you are definetly confusing your input data, your data processing, your processed data, and your rendering

4 different things

4 different steps

you should not confuse them

input data is : event log and timing database
data processing is : summing up the event per time slices, to get the number of event for some time slices
processed data : the number of event per time slice
rendering : showing that data on a logarithmic scale

the data on a logarithmic scale ONLY happen at RENDERING graph stage

not before

otherwise you are just confusing everything and changing your data (instead of just showing the actual data in some different way)

and that rendering is done with the rendering software, and you still didnt say what software you are using, and you still try to ask how to CHANGE YOUR DATA
instead of how to render it

you do NOT want to change your data AT ALL

[soft bloom]

so how would you categorize extracting year from timestamp?

[wanton orchid]

data processing, or rendering
depend if you want to use that years for processing other data, or if it is simply a human readable conversion

make the number human readable : rendering
use the result to process data : data processing

[night girder]

Just when I though I had my system stable. It crashed while I was afk and downstairs 😦

I can run a stress test in adrenalin while running a game, doesn't make it crash. So I don't think it's GPU related. Or PSU for that matter (drawing too much power).

I ruled out my memory. So, then it must be CPU. Or faulty PSU.

[edgy hazel]

u done the sfc and dism already?

[night girder]

Like how the fuck can my PC crash when I am AFK in a city. Like I wasn't even playing.

This sounds more like a memory leak or something.

[edgy hazel]

I bet storage

[night girder]

but I had instances it crashed pretty quickly too. Or maybe multiple things are causing the crashes.

[night girder]

I increased page swap file size. Didn't help.

[wanton orchid]

random crashs have a psu fault taste if any data check have no errors
it must be bsod or crash reset/restart
psu fault almost never hang

[edgy hazel]

Have you tried disabling swap?

[night girder]

the crash is just black screen -> boot logo. And I keep reading these are the symptoms of a faulty PSU.

[edgy hazel]

Any I think it's a storage issue. Have you tried tmrunning the game from another drive?

[night girder]

only have one drive atm.

[wanton orchid]

the PSU fault test is, with no specific load :

• operating time degeneration
• per try operating time randomness
• and long term use exponential degeneration
  if it quickly becomes worse and worse so it resets after 2 min with no load
  then it would feel very much like psu

[wanton orchid]

Black -> boot : is hard reset

the trick is : with no load
with no software loading of any kind

when it's storage it often goes with something trying to launch or close

[night girder]

shouldn't be the case since it's brand new PSU

[wanton orchid]

I had a brand new server class advertised shit psu once
I'm sorry to tell new does not always mean good

[night girder]

like if I run 3Dmark or anything. Shouldn't that make my PC crash too 🤔

[wanton orchid]

not specifically

[night girder]

It just confuses the hell out of me why it's only happening for this old ass game

[wanton orchid]

does not happen when nothing is running ?

in random app ?

[night girder]

never

[wanton orchid]

ok then probably not psu

[night girder]

only when I have GW2 running. RD2 no problem. Hogwarts, it did crash but only game. And I think it was a setting.

[wanton orchid]

when psu it really is random in regards to load

[charred pewter]

oooo

[wanton orchid]

sometimes even load can make it better

[night girder]

The only only only thing I can think of is this.

Yesterday I disable discord hardware acceleration and I had GW2 running for 6-7 hours straight. So I though, problem fixed.

[charred pewter]

buggin out again huh 😦

[night girder]

Today, when I was AFK, I had discord open, firefox and GW2. I come back and I see my PC rebooted. There is this 0.00001% that it was firefox hardware acceleration this time.

So now I disabled firefox hardware acceleration too.

[night girder]

crashing yes 😦

My last resorts are updating the bios.

and disabling some hardware error capturing stuff on my mobo.

so maybe I can spot more information in eventviewer.

[wanton orchid]

fresh win install ?

[night girder]

pff again? 😒

[wanton orchid]

I mean is it one ?

[night girder]

2 months old build.

[wanton orchid]

ok

win 11?

[night girder]

yes

[wanton orchid]

ok
gpu driver up to date I suppose

because then it sounds like gpu problem

[edgy hazel]

@night girder is ignoring me

[night girder]

nah it's still running

or it's stuck.

[edgy hazel]

Hit enter a few times

[wanton orchid]

if you clicked on text it could have freeze it

[night girder]

nah, clicking it to make it work.

[wanton orchid]

enter will unfreeze it

[night girder]

enter fixed it.

maybe I clicked by accident. Anyway. That didn't say anything is wrong.

[edgy hazel]

Do a system file check too

[charred pewter]

out of all this, have you by chance checked your ram is ok?

[night girder]

yes, I did that. Was perfectly fine.

[charred pewter]

k

[wanton orchid]

dism is like a greater system file check though already init?

are you sure you psu is enough for your gpu spikes ?

[night girder]

AMD forums

[wanton orchid]

if you have lot of peripheral connected

so gpu driver

ok

[night girder]

Keyboard, mouse, headset and that's it. And 1 monitor.

[charred pewter]

trash gpu drivers? UNHEARD OF

[wanton orchid]

monitor does not draw power

[charred pewter]

i dunno how many drivers i 'skip' on nvidia side due to many months of shit driver updates

[night girder]

How the fuck did I have corrupted files? 🤔

Oh yeah, because it crashes 🤣

[wanton orchid]

I usually sparse update for Nvidia and repackage it without the experience bullshit

I keep older packages just in case

[charred pewter]

so much disk space is used for driver archives lol

and yeah, geforce experience is NEVER installed on MY machine

[night girder]

Oh btw, I get your comment now Frigid. From yesterday. That I should have waited for all 3 movies to be released

[charred pewter]

lol

indeed

[night girder]

You know what I dislike about fixes like this? How will I ever know when I can reenable hardware acceleration if that's the cause?

also how am I suspoise to understand this log file.

2023-12-09 17:42:56, Info DEPLOY [Pnp] Corrupt file: C:\Windows\System32\drivers\BthA2dp.sys
2023-12-09 17:42:56, Info DEPLOY [Pnp] Repaired file: C:\Windows\System32\drivers\BthA2dp.sys
2023-12-09 17:42:56, Info DEPLOY [Pnp] Corrupt file: C:\Windows\System32\drivers\BthHfEnum.sys
2023-12-09 17:42:56, Info DEPLOY [Pnp] Repaired file: C:\Windows\System32\drivers\BthHfEnum.sys
2023-12-09 17:42:56, Info DEPLOY [Pnp] Corrupt file: C:\Windows\System32\drivers\bthmodem.sys
2023-12-09 17:42:56, Info DEPLOY [Pnp] Repaired file: C:\Windows\System32\drivers\bthmodem.sys

[charred pewter]

yeah, temp fixes to deal with bad drivers... suck

[night girder]

because the issue should been fixed in 2022.

[charred pewter]

should* lol

[night girder]

and another crash 😦

fuck my life, this is getting freaking annoying.

The screen stays 5-10 seconds black. Then my monitor turns off. Then it turns on and I see logo.

The lights on my motherboard are never interrupted. So I don't think it's PSU.

[charred pewter]

nope

not psu

[dire igloo]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cooling/msi-says-some-of-its-popular-coolers-are-faulty-issues-refunds-and-replacements-for-mag-coreliquid-e-coolers-with-bad-pumps-impeller-impacts-the-cavity-at-speeds-over-1600-rpm

[charred pewter]

faulty .... everything is faulty these days ! LOL

[edgy hazel]

who doesn't know that the best place to store your rsa key is in the apple notes app

[night girder]

I was just in my BIOS, and I did a "revert to default". It showed me PBO was toggled from auto to advanced. I don't know why I did this. Anyone have a clue how this could happened?

[charred pewter]

PBO ?

[night girder]

Preccision Boost Overdrive.

[charred pewter]

im not sure what that is myself

[dire igloo]

Same OEM that made the faulty Fractal Lumen.
Similar issue too

[dire igloo]

AM5 feature that sets a higher power tsrget

[night girder]

updated my bios.

[charred pewter]

successful! nice

[night girder]

not that it's going to help

I think it's best that I leave it at this today. Don't feel like chasing a needle in a haystack anymore. Starting to get grumpy.

Why does it have to be a full PC crash, so freaking nasty 😦

[midnight osprey]

looks lovely

This is mine at the moment.

Hopefully don’t get bored anytime soon cos it wasn’t cheap

[night girder]

[dire igloo]

Phanteks NV7?

[midnight osprey]

yup

my friend told me to waste money on a white mobo

I told him to feck off! lol

[dire igloo]

Wasted money on an oversized white case instead

[night girder]

fuck two crashes in 10 minutes 😦

it seems to get worse now 😒

and all I am doing is tuning down the graphic settings in GW2 and it crashes

and crashed again 😒

[midnight osprey]

Lmao. I don’t regret that. Love the case and the fans

But to buy a mono when I don’t need one

Naaaaaaah

[charred pewter]

maybe thats a catalyst ... lol ... need to overload your card so it stays stable 😄

[night girder]

I don't know anymore. I know put supersampling ingame to native to see how it goes.

[charred pewter]

actually thats what was happening to my old 980ti ... if i played like ESO and i was near a 'coastline' where there wasnt much graphical overhead, the card would crap out on the low activity (it was throttling down to a sweet spot on voltage) and the computer would crash

[night girder]

I updated my BIOS, updated my drivers, factory reset mobo, factory reset Adrenalin, cleared the cache of GW2, -repair flagged GW2, -noaudio flag with GW2 (see if it's an audio issue), I did dism repair, I did SCF, ...

[edgy hazel]

Weekend is saved

[charred pewter]

and only happens with GW2

[night girder]

This is going to sound strange.

[edgy hazel]

@charred pewter u dont fw whiskey coke?

[charred pewter]

whiskey and coke yeah, but ......... pepsi .....

[edgy hazel]

IT'S THE SAME

[charred pewter]

oh hell its NOT!

[night girder]

But is it possible that if I alt + tab, GW2 is put into a lower priotity for the GPU, when I tab back to GW2, I notice a freeze, but not a crash. Can it be that going from iddle GW2 + iddle GPU -> not idle cause a power issue?

because most crashes are related to either me alt+tabbing or changing settings for the game. All GPU related.

[edgy hazel]

true... pepsi works better with whiskey

[night girder]

Fuck, should have stayed with Nvidia 🤣

[charred pewter]

naw, nvidia suffers the same issue if its a hardware voltage issue (like i was having)

[night girder]

and just when I said that I crashed

[charred pewter]

maybe try giving your card a wee more juice in uh ... whatever lets you do that on amd

[night girder]

for real. I typed it out. Alt+tabbed to GW2 and bam crash

[charred pewter]

ouch

its that ML code... it saw you complaining again, and it is like ILL SHOW YOU!!!

[night girder]

well, now I am just thinking of selling this card and getting Nvidia.

[charred pewter]

in my case on nv... i had to give it what, 10mV ?? to make it stable

[night girder]

I am so done with this shit.

Last resort I can do is clean install, but pretty sure it's just shit AMD GPU. Like I am 99.99% sure a clean install wont resolve the issue. This is some graphical shit.

[charred pewter]

never know, you may get a bad nv card next ..... it seems hit or miss now with the silicon lottery

shame you cant easily find out by having a second amd card of the same make/model to test with

[edgy hazel]

my homie do a ddu

and don't disable anything or change shit it windows. Just download the installer and run it like a normal human being

[night girder]

I didn't do anything 😒

[dusk rivet]

there's a reason it's called a whiskey and coke

well really should be a jack and coke

[narrow folio]

scotch

[jagged snow]

You should also try a full windows reinstall, that was the only thing that resolved crashes I'd been experiencing for over 6 months

[edgy hazel]

I got 2 scotches but they are too expensive for being mixed

[charred pewter]

rum & coke is what it SHOULD be

[night girder]

Like black screen crash and PC reboot?

[jagged snow]

I'd switched gpus, ram, cpu, psu, ddu and reinstall all drivers, messed with voltages and timings on ram, cpu, and gpu, only thing that fixed it was windows rinstall

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/nick-offerman-no-wrong-way-to-consume-alcohol-parks-and-rec-ron-swanson-azis-ansari-gif-9751103

[dusk rivet]

oh wait i'm being slow, jack is whiskey

[jagged snow]

Yes, and then sometimes when it came back the gpu would've removed itself from device manager and would be using windows default drivers untill I disabled/enabled it in device manager or restarted the pc again

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/preference-glarses-mx-brown-cherry-mx-brown-keyboard-gif-21044520

[narrow folio]

right, mixing not drinkable 'scotch' with black sugar water is not the solution I want. So Scotch pure is my way to go 😁

[edgy hazel]

in a glencain or how that fucking glass ist called

[charred pewter]

although, once you put whiskey into something ... the differences are most likely indistinguishable

[edgy hazel]

I like the lime the pepsi brings

[charred pewter]

i like the coke, that coke brings

[night girder]

That's crazy 😒

But this system is 2 months old.

[jagged snow]

Same issue you're having?

[night girder]

No, my GPU stays in the list.

[dusk rivet]

glencairn?

[midnight osprey]

lmao wgats tge dufference?

[night girder]

My PC only crashes so far with 1 particular game. Mostly when I alt + tab to the game. Or if I iddle for long time in high density city.

[edgy hazel]

yeah love my smelling glasses

[night girder]

The alt + tabbing causing most oof the crashes now.

[jagged snow]

The device manager part didn't happen 100% of the time, and even then it was only for the last two months I was experiencing the issue

[night girder]

and changing graphical settings make the game also super unstable. Then it will crash probably too.

[dusk rivet]

do people actually enjoy just smelling alcohol instead of just drinking it?

[jagged snow]

My problem was specifically in one game as well

[edgy hazel]

I also love smoky whiskey ❤️ let it taste like I'm licking tar

[charred pewter]

"whats the difference between pepsi and coke" .... its like when someone says "whats the difference between 60fps and 144fps" 😄

[night girder]

Fuuuuck, I have done so many reinstalls of W11, I really don't want tooooo 😦

[narrow folio]

I can drink scotch from a wine glass if need be, but I prefer a glencairn👍

[dusk rivet]

if you don't know the difference, you don't deserve to drink either

[night girder]

I've spend days installing W11 over and over again to get clean installation of everything.

[jagged snow]

yeah, it's really a pain. I also think it might've been windows update messing something up

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[dusk rivet]

interesting

[midnight osprey]

my old eyes barely notice ... maybe I have an old nose and tongue too, lol

[narrow folio]

anyway, both are crap. Red Bull Cola 😉

[charred pewter]

i burned my tongue once so bad on hot salsa, that everything i ate or drank for a week after seemed the same 😄

[dusk rivet]

wouldn't that be no alcohol?

[midnight osprey]

lol

[night girder]

well, you give me hope. But I am very skeptical at this point.

[edgy hazel]

yeah wtf

[night girder]

I would have to actually sell this PC if I can't play GW2 🤣

[edgy hazel]

bro mixing caffeine with caffeine

[dusk rivet]

who is mixing shitty tasting adhd meds with coke

[charred pewter]

isnt redbull just squeezed scrotum sweat in sugar water?

[narrow folio]

nonono, the cola from red bull

not the energy drink mixed with coke

[edgy hazel]

iirc the redbull coke is more herbal so it might be nice with whiskey or it just sucks very badly

[dusk rivet]

sounds like it's either really nice or really bad

[charred pewter]

an upper and a downer mixed like, the point of that is .... ? same as drinking water 😄

[visual tree]

Cockta > Coca Cola

[narrow folio]

herbal might be a good description for the taste

[edgy hazel]

nah. It's like menthol and spicy. It doesn't cancel out

[night girder]

Also, how big is the chance it's adrenaline being the culprit?

[edgy hazel]

you experience both

[night girder]

Since it reads the game data.

And you have all these settings 🤔

[edgy hazel]

I got all adrenaline stuff on my pc and I got no crashes

[dusk rivet]

adhd makes energy drinks really anticlimactic

[night girder]

was just wondering.

and you didn't disable that game advisor thingy?

[night girder]

Cheers!

[dusk rivet]

what does one even do in baldurs gate

[edgy hazel]

die to raphael 400 times

[night girder]

have fun

[narrow folio]

find out who destroyed the gates?

[edgy hazel]

also your choices have an actual effect on the game

which is very nice

[night girder]

best game of the year Go 🇧🇪

[narrow folio]

although I played 1+2 and 3 won goty and all that I'm still hesitant to get it

[night girder]

3 is TOTALLY different company. It's a Belgian one 😉

[narrow folio]

exactly that

[edgy hazel]

if you like slow-ish rpgs you'll love it

[night girder]

And they had divinity 1 and 2. Which were reviewed possitively. And they gained shit ton of experience. BG3 is build on that experience AND they had a long ass early access.

[edgy hazel]

They took a huge risk and won

[night girder]

So their record (of the developers) so far is good.

[dusk rivet]

would gowr count as a slow-ish rpg?

[night girder]

What risk?

[edgy hazel]

bankrupting their studio

[night girder]

Nah, they had early access to gain money.

[edgy hazel]

nah. Game-dev in their size of studio is almost always built on debt

if they fuck it up - bye bye

[night girder]

maybe, the previous games really sold well though.

[dusk rivet]

also by slow do you mean not much action, or do you mean long distances between poi

[edgy hazel]

I mean you don't 360 noscope shit

it's tactical

[night girder]

LOL

[midnight osprey]

lol

BG3 put most devs to shame

so humiliated that they felt the need to riducule them for the new standards they set

[edgy hazel]

that was false btw

[midnight osprey]

well, many believed it

[edgy hazel]

one random twitter account said that

[midnight osprey]

lol

was Elon saying FU to corps also fake?

I absolutely loved that!

[night girder]

Feels like Larian Studio is making games with the "old" quality. Like it used to be.

[midnight osprey]

yup

[edgy hazel]

thing is, baldurs gate was very long in development and was very expensive. It was a huge risk and it paid off

[night girder]

Also, the game was in EA for ages. They probably released the game when they felt it was done.

[midnight osprey]

and how about Bethesda ... trying to tell reviewers that they where wrong? lol

[night girder]

and not release the game when we wanted it.

I mean, releasing BG3 before Christmas is a tactical move though.

[midnight osprey]

good call

I am sure they got tons of sales after the proper release

[edgy hazel]

it did and they still didn't make much profit

[night girder]

How do you know?

[jagged snow]

@edgy hazel not just one random twitter account, fairly high profile developer https://twitter.com/WritNelson/status/1677632079792668673

[midnight osprey]

HAH!

I had my doubts too but didn't have the energy to search 😄

or the will for that matter

[edgy hazel]

high profile

[jagged snow]

Read further down the thread, I'm not referring to the main poster

[night girder]

This is one of the WEIRDEST headliners I've ever read.

[jagged snow]

There are devs from EA and blizzard in that thread

[midnight osprey]

whats a good chromium addon for storing my passwords? a friend told me I should ditch last pass

[night girder]

Belgian Embassy... ok... but wait... in China ... wait ... why is a Belgian ambassador, telling the Chinese how many copies of BG3 are sold?

[edgy hazel]

firefox and bitwarden

don't use chromium

[midnight osprey]

but I love Vivaldi!!!

[edgy hazel]

manifest 3 is coming

[night girder]

heuj.

[jagged snow]

@edgy hazel here's an article that summarizes a lot of it: gameworldobserver.com/2023/07/12/baldurs-gate-3-new-standard-for-rpg-genre-opinions

[edgy hazel]

switch now or enjoy afs

[night girder]

isn't manifest 3 the one that will say: no more addblockers?

[edgy hazel]

“This is not a new baseline for RPGs — this is an anomaly,” he noted, adding that trying to reach the same bar without the same experience and advantages “could kill en entire group fo studios.”

this is my whole point.

it's extremely risky to build a game this size

[jagged snow]

Yes

And nobody really expects that from small indie studios

[night girder]

small indie studio

[jagged snow]

But the AAA devs that are saying it's impossible are unfounded

[night girder]

They started in Gent (Belgium).

[edgy hazel]

larian isn't a small indie studio

[night girder]

After divinity original sin 2. They moved to America to a BIG studio.

[jagged snow]

I never said they were?

[jagged snow]

For a small indie studio, yes. But AAA devs saying that we shouldn't expect this level of quality from their games is bs

[edgy hazel]

it's still extremely risky for AAA studios

[night girder]

I think, you wanted to say: a less known gaming company?

[charred pewter]

bought a new microshred paper shredder, and tried it out using the manual that came with it .... now im stuck cause i cant figure out how to use the other features

[night girder]

I mean... what is the definition of a indie studio anyway at this point? 😒

Is it to describe a lesser known company? Small budget? Small team?

[charred pewter]

didnt we have this discussion ?

[night girder]

not with me 😄

[charred pewter]

oh wait, that was on factorio discord ....

[night girder]

get out of here!

[charred pewter]

LOL

[night girder]

It is bullshit. But also true.

[stray badger]

Low budget

[night girder]

AAA devs say that. Because they don't get any breathing room from higher ups and investors when they develop. So if they go to investors, we need more time, they don't get it. Main reason probably why they could never deliver such a game 🤣

[edgy hazel]

Also Larian is a privately owned Company without billions of operating cost/year

This is an apples to oranges comparison

[night girder]

I was mainly replying to "But AAA devs saying that we shouldn't expect this level of quality from their games is bs".

[edgy hazel]

Have you played Act 3?

[night girder]

Bro, I can't get a 12 year old game to properly run.

[edgy hazel]

BG3 is certainly not perfect

[jagged snow]

The problem is that we could expect this level of quality from AAA studios if they handled their investors better

[night girder]

I am not heading into the next game that's going to give me a headache 😉

[night girder]

Oh no, don't start again with the "perfect" 🤣 - NOTHING IS (unless sharklien reads this, then yes, there is a abstract perfect that my brain cannot comprehend).

[stray badger]

The whole point of AAA is that it is supposed to be like this

[edgy hazel]

a AAA studio still can't put all their resources into one game

[jagged snow]

And if they hadn't tried to set the standard of pumping out a half-baked project using the same IP for the 12th time every other year, they wouldn't be in such an untenable position

[stray badger]

On the contrary: Portal 2

[jagged snow]

Sharklien's concept of perfect is imperfect

[night girder]

I am getting PTSD again.

[edgy hazel]

If Larian fucked up their BG3 marketing for example, the studio would be gone and a lot of people would be out of a job. Now imagine that on a AAA scale

[night girder]

There is some truth to that.

AAA companies trying to sell average games as "next generation mind blowing" games. They lowered the bar. Not us gamers. Or maybe we kinda did by buying the crap.

[night girder]

Did Larian do a lot of marketing? I though the EA was the marketing 😄

[jagged snow]

But I'm a little bit biased anyways, I'm very loyal to a select few games, and the newest among them is satisfactory. I'm not really "in" the AAA/major releases scene

[edgy hazel]

You have to do marketing

[jagged snow]

Noctua, sirracha, etc don't do any marketing at all

And they're still very well known brands

[night girder]

Yeah, but I mean. Adds on TV? Adds on the radio? Big posters on buildings or something?

From my perception, Larian is pretty lean with the marketing. Not too much. Not too less.

[jagged snow]

The game was mostly popular because of word of mouth. The majority of their marketing came from creator gameplay sponsorships

[night girder]

Let the game speak for itself.

[edgy hazel]

convetion booths for example

[jagged snow]

There were a lot of streamers/youtubers that got sponsored to play the game once and turned it into a series from their own volition

[stray badger]

I found BG3 from charlie covering the bear thing

[night girder]

I mean, I just look at the whole pictures. Steam reviews. Journalists. Youtubers. And it seems, the majority loves it.

[night girder]

I knew, because I am a fan of Larian 🤣

[charred pewter]

lmao ... this is hilarious .... https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R2DNBFY9G74ZPV/

did he really expect it to be the size of a small car??

[night girder]

did he never hear of perspective 🤣

[stray badger]

I had not heard of them. Ive been missing out

[night girder]

If they* orders this, they probably expects a 10 foot dino. (sorry old habbits).

"But the dinosaur was as big as the people in the picture" 🤣

[night girder]

nah, like I said. It's a Belgian company. The only one so far to make a name for itself. So they are in every newspaper etc.

Doesn't surprise me nobody heard of em 😄

How many people out there know coffee stain studios

[stray badger]

A good amount

I know a lot of people who play satis and valheim

[night girder]

Yeah, but not the scale like the big ones. EA. Blizzard. Activision. I don't know who merged with who anymore either.

[charred pewter]

i own valheim, but never played it... never launched it 😄

[night girder]

good game 👍

[stray badger]

So good i havent gotten iron yet with over 50hrs

[night girder]

I never get far in that game.

[charred pewter]

i been waiting to play it with my brother, but we are also waiting till its out of early access

[night girder]

same.

[edgy hazel]

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

[charred pewter]

ah ha ha?

what you dont think it will ever get out of early access ? 😄

[gilded helm]

Vlaheim is probably 2-3 years from release

[edgy hazel]

As if that game will get out of early access

[gilded helm]

Totally fine to play it now

[maiden coyote]

Eventually maybe

[charred pewter]

given how slow it takes me n my bro to get though each game we have lined up .......

[maiden coyote]

One day satisfactory will get out of ea too..

[charred pewter]

yeah, we plan to replay that one when it hits 1.0

[maiden coyote]

Coffeestain is making another goat sim to make sure it happens

[charred pewter]

lol

[gilded helm]

Valheim definitely isn't coming out of EA next year, but as far as perpetual EA games go, I don't see them joining the list. .

Who knows 🤷

[maiden coyote]

I can host the dedicated. I have one hosted now

Mine doesn't have weird performance issues like rj's did

[charred pewter]

if we run out of co-op games we will just dive into valheim then .... but theres plenty, and given we can only play weekends when he has time, it sometimes takes a year to get through 1 game

[night girder]

Does Valheim have a road map?

[gilded helm]

Other than general multiplayer wonkiness. But yeah, dedicated servers are basically fine now as long as you're careful fighting wildlife.

[gilded helm]

2 biomes left to finish, plus maybe some ocean stuff.

[charred pewter]

took us over a year to just get through satisfactory content of update5?

[night girder]

And then they release?

[languid gulch]

playing thru BG3 right now, & it seems to be an amazing balance between RPG, exploration, classic pnp D&D combat

[night girder]

Or are they going to rework stuff. Add more features. Remove other features.

[gilded helm]

There's no prospect of Valheim changing engines or anything crazy like that, they're not continuously changing their minds about stuff to add.

[languid gulch]

also i've only come across 1 bug so far, & it was hilarious

[edgy hazel]

help

[night girder]

Nice to hear 😄

[charred pewter]

hehehe valheim will get a whole new engine update near the end of it, pushing its ea timeline out another year 😄

[night girder]

some games are stuck in EA hell.

[charred pewter]

indeed, they dont wanna stop working on them, so they just keep working on them, and never get anywhere

[night girder]

Guess the game.

[charred pewter]

Elden Ring !

[night girder]

Kickstarter game or something. Everyone though it was a scam. But it wasn't. The game got released. But nobody likes it

[languid gulch]

walked into an ambush encounter thru a locked door, & at the end of the encounter, Lae'zel got caught right in the doorway, & the desperate spam of her trying to open the door made me giggle for a solid 30s until i had Astarion unlock the door for her

[edgy hazel]

aaaaa

[night girder]

[charred pewter]

half a million masochistic people

😉

[night girder]

0.5 million people taking the effort to review the game.

just means a lot of people played it.

[edgy hazel]

Gale, I love you. You're great. But I don't have time to keep reviving you the whole time

[charred pewter]

you know they do it cause they want to prove their self-abuse is justified .... now if every game all the reviews of people that liked them (instead of just remaining happily silent), we would see more games like that

[night girder]

I see your point? A bit like a arch linux user will tell* us they use it

[charred pewter]

i see that half a million as a very loud minority of the full weight of gamers 😄

but i do gotta hand it to them... coming out in droves to actually write a positive review

[charred pewter]

so many games get no reviews because people just dont bother

[charred pewter]

well, if steam ran worth a damn on mac, then maybe more people would keep it running too 😄

[night girder]

I am so bad at reviewing games. I am biased af.

[charred pewter]

as is, it self-crashes every 2 hours

[edgy hazel]

Mentioning Linux = Obligatory shitting of Linux users

[gilded helm]

I feel like all the wonderful tools that exist for modern game design have given rise to a problem where it's too tempting to keep adding on to games

[night girder]

Like it's hard to objectively review a game.

[charred pewter]

"game good, game fun, game be worth it 👍 " - my normal review when i dont feel like elaborating

[night girder]

but... that tells people nothing.

[charred pewter]

exactly

[night girder]

So whats the point of the review?

[charred pewter]

but its better than writing a review giving it 1 star because the advertising perspective is off

[night girder]

Besides tell other people, you like it. Without naming the reasons 🤣

[languid gulch]

if it's a fun game, then it's worth it

[night girder]

And that's my point. It's hard to write good reviews. Objectively.

[languid gulch]

that's usually my quality of review

[night girder]

if you review that a game is fun, that doesn't tell me jack.

[languid gulch]

🤣

[charred pewter]

right, what is one persons 'fun' is not anothers, and vice versa... i mean, look at the half a million Elden Ring reviews 🤣

[edgy hazel]

My steam reviews: "game make play" - recommend

[languid gulch]

i don't even necessarily mind bugs, so long as they end up either being fixed quickly or are hilarious

[charred pewter]

LOL

or the bug can be 'avoided' through gameplay

[languid gulch]

corpse launches are never intended, but my god they can make a game so much better

[charred pewter]

"it crashes when i click this and then that and then shoot a rocket" .... so dont do that?

corpse launching 😄

[night girder]

Yeah, but not all reviews are bad.

That's a whole book. It continues further if you scroll.

[charred pewter]

right, and how many people read that ?

[night girder]

I mean, those reviews you atleast get some information.

Yes I do 🤣

That's the whole point of a review in my opinion!

[gilded helm]

Cyberpunk sort of gets around some of its bugs due to the fact that its quick save and quick load functions work quickly enough (on PC, at least)

[night girder]

Like, if I read a car review. I don't want to read: "car drives, car good" 👍

[charred pewter]

i mean if im looking for an in depth review of a new game, i generally head to an actual article written somewhere.... i dont look for it in steam reviews

[languid gulch]

i'll watch a playthrough if i'm interested enough before buying, that's how i can tell if it's going to be a game i can ejnjoy

[charred pewter]

in steam reviews i like to glance over them to see if there is a specific trend im seeing .....

[night girder]

I do both 😛

[charred pewter]

like a game is 'generally short, but its fun enough' ... i may skip since its too short

or many reviews just saying 'crashes like your mom on crack' ... then i will be like, ah, game needs updates before they get my money

also have to take some reviews with a grain of salt, or 'consider the source' ......

"lul car go bom" ... im gonna prolly ignore that review 😄

and theres TONS of crappy poorly spelled one-liners like that in elden ring reviews

[gilded helm]

Heh, I'm excited for Phantom Liberty, but I've also realized I needn't be in a hurry since it looks like they're still finalizing some things.

[charred pewter]

im waiting till the first 'sale' for that DLC, then i'll nab it

[languid gulch]

& some games might not be exactly what you find perfect, but it's decent enough & if your friends are playing it, it's worth doing

[charred pewter]

true, peer pressure

[night girder]

The second review I ever posted on steam:

[languid gulch]

pretty sure we all have Gmod & would go right back to it in a heartbeat 🤣

[gilded helm]

I even thought about waiting longer for Witcher 3 because it still feels wonky. It's fine, just don't do DX12.

[charred pewter]

i mean the only reason i got eldenring and tried it... is so many people were like 'omg you gotta play this it rocks!' .... but then i got past the tutorial and was in the real game and found it completely not-fun after that

[night girder]

let me guess, you didn't know what to do?

The games are known for not holding hands at all. They just drop you in a world. Good luck. 🫡

[charred pewter]

naw, the bad frame rate, the clunky combat, the stupid difficulty... to name a few 😄

[languid gulch]

yea, i like to enjoy games, not be punished for buying it

[charred pewter]

it just rubbed me wrong and i was finding no enjoyment out of it

no enjoyment then i question why im playing it

[night girder]

Eh, it's satisfying once the games aren't punishing you anymore. But you are the one doing the punishing.

It had a steep learning curve for me.

Well, it's normal. Can't please everyone.

[charred pewter]

i mean, if i look at "ELEX" (the first one), it was extremely difficult in early levels, random rats would kick your ass .... but it at least progressed to where you became stronger to where you kicked butt and chewed bubble gum. after reading some things about the relentless boss fights in elden ring not getting any easier as you proress, and i just lost interest

[night girder]

that's bs. They do become easier because you become better.

[edgy hazel]

Sometimes you don't want to become better

[charred pewter]

even if i wanted to try it again, there is still the crappy frame rate which honestly DID ruin my own personal enjoyment in a game 😉 regardless what you may think about 60fps lol

[edgy hazel]

Sometimes you just wanna fuck shit up

[night girder]

yall spoiled with framerates 🤣

[charred pewter]

hehehe fuck shit up 😄 thats when i load up planetside2 😉

[edgy hazel]

I got a 7900xt. Ofc I wanna be spoiled with framerate

[night girder]

if it interests you, google around for reasons why games are frame locked. It will make sense.

[edgy hazel]

We had this conversation

[charred pewter]

i dont care if it makes sense for that game, its still non-enjoyable

[night girder]

Yeah, I get that.

[charred pewter]

😉

[night girder]

I mean, I enjoy it 😄

[charred pewter]

im spoiled on highhz!!!! ive ruined myself! wish i could go back

[night girder]

Fuck frames. I am used to it.

[dusk rivet]

read this as “shut the fuck up” and was like woah what the

[night girder]

Played GW2 at 20 FPS, doing raids and all.

[dusk rivet]

then realized i was dumb

[night girder]

Fuck, I don't know how many frames a gameboy has

59.7 frames per second.

[edgy hazel]

Brother I paid 830€ for a fucking gpu to get more frames.

[charred pewter]

so, back to reviews 😄

[night girder]

I am just saying: I am used to it. I don't care how much I payed. I want to have fun in games. And if Elden Ring runs at 60, I am happy.

[edgy hazel]

That's cool and I have standards

this is just nice

[charred pewter]

i like ot have fun in a game too 🙂 and be immersed ... but when something keeps yanking me out of immersion ... well ... i get annoyed

kinda like in hogwarts in hogsmede when the npc pathing starts jerking the gameplay real bad... totally yanks me out of being sucked into that world

then i realize what time it is... forgot i ate, then quit the game and go make dinner

[night girder]

🤷‍♂️

[charred pewter]

and wtf theres some moron out in his car parked on the street talking on his bluetooth phone and full volume... uh... does the ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD need to listen to your conversation about hemorrhoids ?!?!

[night girder]

hogsmede was a bit weird, but still doable.

[charred pewter]

im all typos today

[night girder]

And I get it that it sucks to get ripped out of immersion. It just doesn't happen to me. So it is what it is.

What does suck me out of my immersion is a full PC crash

[charred pewter]

yeah

[night girder]

btw, after reading the AMD forums. I am testing a new solution. AMD freesync: disabled.

[maiden coyote]

If it's 60hz I'm happy

If it's 30hz.. I might still be happy

[edgy hazel]

I'd rather kill myself

[maiden coyote]

To each their own (:

I guess why not

[stray spindle]

Oh, I guess this belongs here actually, took me a while... "Seriously, why is it so hard to find a synthetic material with a homogenous structure that has a Young's modulus within 1 GPa of 6 GPa. Hell, the only natural material that I've found to date is Water Buffalo horn."

Hopefully a fellow nerd has the info just stored in their head or knows who's head that is stored in

[edgy hazel]

Sir this is a game discord server

I do not understand these words

[night girder]

I don't know of any material within a 1 GPa of 6 GPa.

Hell, I never heard of Young's modulus

[edgy hazel]

Pretty sure that's a cocktail

[night girder]

But I guess that's the stuff you are looking for.

[night girder]

Nah, it has to do with stifness of materials.

[edgy hazel]

this mf has 6,4

[night girder]

that's stiff

[edgy hazel]

I mean bamboo is at 11

[stray spindle]

notice none of the numbers are near 6. it just... sucks

[stray spindle]

tf is this?

[edgy hazel]

Henequen

[night girder]

closest is Medium-density fiberboard with 4

[night girder]

Henequen and Ixtle fibers have an elastic modulus of 13 and 27 GPa, a tensile strength of 13 and 18 MPa (ASTM C1557), and a density of 1.12−and 1.02 g/cm3 (ASTM D3822), respectively.

[stray spindle]

elastic modulus != Young's

[night girder]

Oh. Nice catch.

[stray spindle]

The problem is, is that young's is like compressive AND tensile balled up into something else. So while these stringy bits do indeed hold up to pulling on them, they are flimsy as fuck trying to hold something up with them, to put it simply

[night girder]

The Young’s modulus of the composites increased steadily and linearly up to 50 wt.% of fiber content from 1.5 to 6.4 GPa. - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8618119/

[stray spindle]

Young's deals with how hard it is to bend something

yeah, composites, i.e. Absolutely not homogenous

[edgy hazel]

I'm gonna modulate a shot of whiskey into myself

[stray spindle]

definitely do that

[edgy hazel]

Merry Christmas

[night girder]

Why are you looking for it anyway?

What you planning to do with Water Buffalo horn?

[stray spindle]

bendy reasonably sharpenable cullinary tool

"why"

[edgy hazel]

Ima be honest, that sounds like too much effort for too little return

[stray spindle]

WELL BOY DO I HAVE A STOR....

[stray spindle]

you say that but one moment...

[edgy hazel]

Only one because I'm generous

[night girder]

this goes against my instincts. Bendable + sharp, what can go wrong 🤷‍♂️ (in a kitchen)

[edgy hazel]

Knifes have to be bendable

[night girder]

Yeah, but depends on how much.

[stray spindle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/specializedtools/comments/isy820/weird_coconut_tool_at_330/

[night girder]

You don't want a wet noodle as a knife.

[stray spindle]

Here ya go, try that with most steel knives, find out why you shouldn't do that

[edgy hazel]

Yeah definitely not wanna have a hard blade for that

[night girder]

Ok, then what knife is that dude using?

[stray spindle]

"What's it made of?" is going to be a question asked

[night girder]

Exactly.

[stray spindle]

The answer? Water Buffalo horn

[night girder]

ROFL 🤣

[edgy hazel]

I suggest you rather look into metal work

[stray spindle]

If you think I haven't looked into metal work, when looking up young's modulus of materials

[maiden coyote]

What is the Youngs modus of a f150. Inquiring minds would like to know

[stray spindle]

of... a truck?

[night girder]

Bro, it's saturday night

[edgy hazel]

[night girder]

I'm opening my beer.

[edgy hazel]

Merry Christmas

[maiden coyote]

Absolutely. They wrap around trees real nicely

[stray spindle]

Okay, then I can reasonably say less than 1150

[night girder]

Nice engine.

[edgy hazel]

Maybe Amelia Earhart knows a thing or two about coconuts

[maiden coyote]

It's a new model. Drags along the roadway under the frame

[night girder]

Man ...

that does not look good.

[maiden coyote]

Funny we start talking about elasticity right after I have to recover that.

I can say that it was definitely one with the tree. My truck can pull 24k lbs if I triple my lines and it took every bit of that to break it loose

[edgy hazel]

GALE STOP DYING

[charred pewter]

@night girderfigure out the crash yet?

[night girder]

Didn't crash for 4 hours now 🤷‍♂️

[maiden coyote]

Yay

[night girder]

but the same happened yesterday.

[charred pewter]

so what did you do diff?

[night girder]

So I think it might have to do with population in the cities.

So I will see how it goes tomorrow.

[charred pewter]

heh

[maiden coyote]

Out of memory errors?

[night girder]

I've been tweaking with the settings and it didn't crash. Today it did crash 3-4 times when I changed settings in GW2.

[edgy hazel]

pos

[night girder]

Long story short: when I play GW2 my PC freeze and hard resets. Or soft whatever. Black screen. And then boot logo. Most of the time it happens when I alt + tab.

[charred pewter]

when you crash are in/doing the same thing in GW2

[night girder]

Yeah, I am in the largest city right now.

Exact same spot as the 3-4 crashes.

[charred pewter]

k

[night girder]

But not many people playing 😄

[charred pewter]

i had found a spot in ESO that would kill my 980ti, which is how i was able to figure out the issue eventually

[night girder]

I also set all settings to maximum now. To see if it's really amd freesync.

Not sure why that was enabled 🤷‍♂️

My monitor doesn't support it.

[charred pewter]

yeah if your monitor doesnt support something, no reason turning it on

prolly on by defaults

[night girder]

but I can see it causing issues. That at certain points, (when I alt + tab) it wants to use freesync technology, my monitor goes FUUUUCK, PC doesn't know what to do and restarts.

[charred pewter]

thats a stretch 😄

[night girder]

or when I change the graphic settings, I can see freesync also kicking in.

I read it on the AMD forums.

[charred pewter]

"consider the source" ... bunch of AMD people ... ROFL!!!!

ahem ....

come back to the dark side, Letterdief ....

[edgy hazel]

wait is freesync switching between on and off?

[night girder]

No, it was turned on. Now I turned it off.

[night girder]

This is what made me investigate this solution a bit further.

Might be still bogus. Need a few days to know for sure.

[night girder]

the expensive side? 🤣

but it's also mostly just the works side 😦

[edgy hazel]

well I wouldn't say that

just expensive

new nvidia cards aren't that much better regarding errors

[night girder]

hehe 😄

[edgy hazel]

my boss got a 4090

[night girder]

True, I cannot tell. My last experience was 1080.

[edgy hazel]

returned it a week later

[night girder]

Frigid.

Get the 4090 and tell us how it goes 🤣

[night girder]

Why did he return it? Can be so many things.

[edgy hazel]

it just stopped outputting video

[night girder]

I don't know how much your boss knows about hardware. The 4090 is power hungry.

[edgy hazel]

he got a 1200W PSU

[night girder]

mhm, that's on the low side 🤣

[jagged snow]

That's too much wattage, it probably killed the card

[edgy hazel]

lmao truee

nah it just bricked itself

[dire igloo]

Did he DDU

[edgy hazel]

he doesn't overclock or is into that stuff at all

yes

he put it into a different machine too

[night girder]

but yeah, point made.

Nvidia can suck too.

[edgy hazel]

if you want RT and DLSS go nvidia, if you want to be able to afford the card go AMD. AMD people just tend to be much louder about issues

[night girder]

or maybe amd has a slighty higher issue ratio.

didn't you had issues at one point herg?

[jagged snow]

Nvidia just has much better brand trust as well. When I see AMD people have an issue, they tend to blame it on the hardware, whereas intel & nvidia owners will tend to blame it on anything but the hardware

[night girder]

can vaguely remember you mentioning something earlier today or past few days.

[edgy hazel]

yeah. I thought it was my 5700xt for months. Turns out it was onedrive being fucky when using it over multiple drives

[night girder]

oh right.

[edgy hazel]

I had the exact same symptoms as you

random crashes and timeouts

[dire igloo]

Confirmation bias I guess.
AMD issue? Fucking AMD making bullshit products.
Nvidia issues? Dumbass user, has to be Layer 8 or ID 10T

[edgy hazel]

it's like linux users being way louder than windows

[jagged snow]

Except that's usually the opposite

[night girder]

ngl, if I had these issues with Nvidia after 2 months. Me personally, would be as vocal as I am now with AMD 😛

[edgy hazel]

yes but you aren't trying to defend spending 2k on a GPU

[night girder]

especially if I switched from AMD to Nvidia for example. And AMD was a rock solid experience.

we'll see how it goes with the crashes. If I can get a stable system. I am a happy man.

[edgy hazel]

I mean my shit is rock solid

all crashes I had were OCs gone bad

[night girder]

else, I might have to do a few more things. Full clean reinstall. And if that doesn't work. I have to think about hardware.

I didn't even OC 😦

[night girder]

You know what also has to do with it? The price.

Lower price, people assume it's lower quality.

If then weird issues start to happen, it must be a "bullshit product".

[charred pewter]

heh

as a side note..... whatever i spent on my 3080 ... ive not actually had any issues with it, no crashes, no lockups, no driver bails.... it just works. albiet not as fast as like a 4080 .... but ... i mean as a card goes, its been 'trouble free'

[edgy hazel]

Remember when AMD raised their prices for the 6000 series and everyone lost their shit and then Nvidia came with a 2.5k gpu

[charred pewter]

LOL then people like 'oh ok, amd rise aint so bad'

[edgy hazel]

Yea

[charred pewter]

seriously ... 2.5k for a single gpu

even a cheap one from gigasmack for 2k is still crazy

[edgy hazel]

Or the 2020 ebay prices which still feel like a fever dream

[charred pewter]

and that one is most like a 50/50 roll of the die you get a broken card due to a shitty build

gigablows is how i refer to everything they make, and i know i know ... 'model not brand' ... but honestly... in this case, that brand is just junk 😉

sad evga bailed on nvidia 😦

[night girder]

evga didn't bail on nvidia

[charred pewter]

they took their ball and went home

big bad nvidia bullies made them call it quits 😄

[night girder]

Or, as Han put it, “This? This is easy. Working with Nvidia was hard.”

Bailing made it sound like evga betrayed Nvidia while it was the otherway around.

[charred pewter]

yeah, when you have to work with a toxic company ... it becomes unfun quick

no... bailing means 'you guys fuckin suck, we gone! BYE!'

[edgy hazel]

bro an AMD EVGA card would have stopped the ukraine war

[charred pewter]

lol

[night girder]

Oh to me it sounds negative.

Like bailing on your friends.

[charred pewter]

evga switching to AMD would have seriously made some heads urn

ah, i guess bailing can go both ways

[night girder]

lost in translation 😄

[charred pewter]

depends on context 😉

evga bailing on evga was 'a good thing'.... bailing on your friends is 'a bad thing'

[night girder]

yeah, but I do wonder if it's so bad. How do other companies deal with it?

[charred pewter]

like, asus ?

[edgy hazel]

other income sources

[charred pewter]

prolly deal with the same shit from nvidia... i highly doubt nvidia is not an equal opportunity asshole

[night girder]

But like evga said Nvidia is hard to work with. If this is true, it also must be for the other companies.

[charred pewter]

yup

[night girder]

Man corporations…

[charred pewter]

a business that is a pain to work with, is generally going to be a pain with anyone else that tries to work with them

[night girder]

Well, Nvidia has to really fuck up to lose its position at this point

[charred pewter]

they may be fine being the only ones who can sell nvidia hardware ..... who knows, they may secretely want that, but they allow other companies to make the cards so they dont get slapped with unfair blah blah monopoly blah

they just make it so painfully difficult to work with, that not many DO ... thus fulfilling their own desires as a result

🤷 .... i dont know the full extent of what went down between evga and nvidia though ... not sure anyone has the real big picture and all the details

[jagged snow]

Yeah, they make way higher margins off of the fe cards. If they could eliminate the AIBs, it would mean that they'd have sole control over pricing, just like they do in the datacenter market.

[charred pewter]

LMAO ... the asus rog 4090 went up to $2999 now

[jagged snow]

Because remember, the AIB card has an entire extra company that it needs to support off of its margins and it's usually of higher quality compared to the fe design.

[charred pewter]

the 50x series isnt due out till 2025 right ?

[jagged snow]

Or late 2024

They've slowed down their production cycles so much now

[charred pewter]

making bank off current models, why innovate?

no competition in performance? raise prices and not make new models?

[jagged snow]

According to jensen, they're "no longer a computer graphics company" because of the massive AI shift. The vast majority of their efforts are giong to the datacenter now.

[charred pewter]

ah

well then .....

[night girder]

maybe that opens up a market / new company

[edgy hazel]

???????????????

[charred pewter]

AMD needs to step up their game and stop making shit cards 🤣 right Letterdief?

[edgy hazel]

the majority of nvidias income is datacenter

[charred pewter]

crazy

[jagged snow]

The margins are 3-4x higher in terms of percentages iirc

[night girder]

if they no longer focus on GPU's it opens doors.

[edgy hazel]

datacenter is GPUs

[jagged snow]

They're still focusing on gpus, and improvements in the datacenter will trickle down to consumers

[night girder]

not gaming

[charred pewter]

i think if they dont focus on gpus, then the market wont grow because there is LESS competition

[jagged snow]

According to the rumor mill, AMD won't make a high-end rdna 4 card

[charred pewter]

poop

and whats this Intel gpu coming along ... is that just a complete pipe dream?

[night girder]

wip

[jagged snow]

I'm expecting pretty great things from battlemage/celestial(upcoming ingel dgpu generations)

[edgy hazel]

intel GPUs is only for scaring AMD into lowering their budget GPUs

keeps em in check

cuz we all know nvidia doesn't give a shit

[night girder]

nop

and amd only cares becaue they have too

[edgy hazel]

brother

4060 12GB

[night girder]

??? I am agreeing with you. Like, nop, AMD doesn't give a shit.

[edgy hazel]

never said that

[night girder]

interpretation my friend

it's a social skill

[edgy hazel]

and you failed the skillcheck

[night girder]

or you

[edgy hazel]

.

[charred pewter]

4060 12gb is nvidia giving a shit??? naw... thats just them tossing something out at still a too-high price for the budget builders

[edgy hazel]

nobody in here has any reading comprehension what is happening

[charred pewter]

as a side, buying a 4060 is 100% a waste of money

[night girder]

it's nvidia

[edgy hazel]

4060 8gb and 12gb is like a 200$ difference

which is crazy

[night girder]

can always resell it

[charred pewter]

"you cant do anything with just 8gb of ram" — Apple Users

[edgy hazel]

these apple prices are getting out of control

nvidia*