asus xonar SE 5.1 or soundblaster Audigy FX? I need a good low profile soundcard.
#off-topic-tech
maiden coyote
aslo... rx 550 or 6400.. the 6400 is double the gpu with the same power draw.. but the 550 has hardware encoding.. Which I might not use, but could be nice to have
gilded helm
Ooh, right. That was such a weird regression for the 6400/6500
maiden coyote
There's also the w3100. not sure how that compares to the other two.. computer just needs to have good sound and 4k playback xD
gilded helm
Are you sure you want a PCIe sound card? A little USB box will be more versatile.
maiden coyote
it really is, for all the faults of the 6400, It really would've been a great card if it just had video encoders. it does 4k hdr very well, movies look great on it.
gilded helm
Audioengine D1 if you want overkill
maiden coyote
and it can sort of game.
That's pretty pricey. I've got this currently and it sounds really good on my stereo https://www.newegg.com/creative-sound-blaster-ae-7/p/N82E16829102106?Item=N82E16829102106&utm_medium=email&utm_source=transactional&cm_mmc=TEMC-Shipping-New-Delivery-Notification-Responsive-USA-_-N82E16829102106&utm_campaign=TEMC-Shipping-Delivery-Notification but it's not low profile compatible.
maiden coyote
Wow, thanks for the automatic update discord.. I hate it
edgy hazel
https://tenor.com/view/quick-update-nik-nocturnal-brief-update-short-update-latest-news-gif-17258665
twin dew
A is for host side, B is for device side.
C is for both.
So if the printer is USB one, it most probably still has full size USB-B.
gilded helm
A is for host side, B is for device side.
C is for both.
So if the printer is US...
I just want to know what cable they ship with most commonly. I was surprised to see my headphones use a USBC dongle. Audio is notoriously stubborn about not adopting new things. But otherwise I generally see USBA to B (or mini B) on cables shipped with audio products
Point of sale devices I use at some weekend gigs are all USBA as well
twin dew
Will almost certainly need USB-B full size version on the printer side.
But might not come with the cable.
Even the best VA still have bad response time at the black end.
Or just huge artifacting and overshooting when coming out of there.
Just less than before and good response time from about 1/4th upwards in the RGB range.
When the real reason would be that most of them would be hallucinations and not real.
The "copy right" is programmer typo...
As the response is fixed one before anything is passed to the model.
They have now classic chatbot type code checking for the forbidden questions before the ChatGPT model.
That is for controlling media playback.
Game could register for those too if it wanted, but no-one does.
maiden coyote
they were hoping pc's would become a livingroom thing.
twin dew
Or do you mean the "Pause/Break" button next to Scroll Lock?
maiden coyote
thanks to netflix, disney, and amazon prime forcing 720p if they see you're using a pc, that'll never happen unless you set sail on the ship
twin dew
Yeah, those two aren't used much anymore.
Were important long time ago for text console control.
Excel for example uses the Scroll Lock, and it is annoying.
Could be useful in some specific cases.
Because the big computer OEMs wanted new numbers every year.
And that new system at least has the third digit to help people who actually know.
When before you had to manually check every exact model to see what it actually was.
Because 6### was already used at that point.
winged valley
Because the big computer OEMs wanted new numbers every year.
And that new system...
OEMs? You mean System Integrators? Pretty sure it should be the SI's bowing to microprocessor companies, not the other way around
winged valley
Yeah pretty sure system integrators can't exist without Intel/AMD so like
Why do they care what SI's want
I get it for laptops
twin dew
Because the OEMs can just decide not to do AMD laptops at all, only Intel.
If AMD doesn't play ball.
winged valley
What if hypothetically AMD and Intel both decide to not change naming schemes
Not that it ever would be that way
twin dew
Intel is big enough that they don't do it for the OEMs.
winged valley
They just do it because... why? Do they think its funny? That its genuinely helpful? Or is it the dumb marketing psychology thing where you change whats on the menu to bring in more interest
twin dew
They just do it because... why? Do they think its funny? That its genuinely help...
Their own marketing department wants it too.
To get people to buy old products without knowing, and to "fill" in the gaps in the "new" series.
The 14th gen Intel desktop parts lower segments are still actually 12th gen dies.
And the top end is 13th gen rehashed.
For AMD, 5800U, 5600U, 5400U are Zen3, 5700U, 5500U and 5300U are Zen2, as example of previous gen mixing old and new.
Nah, just didn't design new die.
But wanted new "gen" anyways for marketing reasons.
Cannot be seen to sit still...
Problem isn't the layers, but the bad heat contact between the layers if they are from different dies.
Would need way to deposit another layer of silicon during the process to make true 3D chips.
AFAIK currently FLASH is only thing that is produced with true 3D process.
Trains with DRM and fake errors:
social.hackerspace.pl/@q3k/111528162462505087
If train wasn't serviced at manufacturer it had hidden kill-date in the code.
And if it visited third part repair yard GPS coordinates, same, and so on.
Not really.
edgy hazel
Man every time AI is mentioned I listen to this
https://youtube.com/watch?v=cAYvwbUUhD0
abstract hawk
If anyone knows how to make command windows not do this please let me know #off-topic-general message
twin dew
IIRC there used to be "startx" named tiny command line utility that could probably do that, but cannot find real source of it anymore as Google has gone to shit and expands that to "start x" etc.
As in you would start "startx options whateveryouwantedtorun" to modify how the latter was starter, with more options than the Windows internal "start".
Because the "start" will always launch command prompt for itself.
Or some other solution like that that allows to make the program either not get window at all, allows it to be started minimized, or not to get focus.
dire igloo
Even the best VA still have bad response time at the black end.
Or just huge art...
Idk if it does mixing, heard good things about M-Track Solo as an XLR interface tho
twin dew
Ok, if the results are to be believed (would like another take on the same), then only the almost black to almost white is even somewhat problem and that is minor.
But some of the other results he shows to compare are weird too.
The Alienware IPS has horrible latency when going from white to black for example in his results.
Which isn't there in RTINGS testing for the alienware.
dire igloo
Some people call his 27G1S a golden sample and say they had issues with artifacting and similar
twin dew
But based on the comparisons, he might have issue with the response time testing methology.
But not going to dig more.
Just that the results for the response time for the AW2723DF don't match with RTINGS even close.
AW2723DF has problems with black to gray transitions on RTINGS.
And those are clean in techless, but in turn has major problems on light to dark transitions.
So something funky is going on.
dire igloo
idk tbh
twin dew
So the "new" Hawk Point AMD 8040 series laptop chips are just 7040 chips with better NPU...
And you get downgrades if you go with same exact code, as the previous 0-ending models now end with 5, and new lower grade 0-models added.
So 8840HS is worse than 7840HS.
And 8845HS is identical to 7840HS except having better NPU...
Same with 8645HS, 8640HS, 7640HS trio.
dusk rivet
Idk if it does mixing, heard good things about M-Track Solo as an XLR interface ...
no output for speakers tho
night girder
That is for controlling media playback.
Game could register for those too if it ...
I got media buttons on my keyboard.
twin dew
Yeah, forgot about the Pause/Break normal button.
night girder
That's my point exactly.
Nobody cares about that button. Probably the must underused button.
twin dew
night girder
And with the discussion about macro keys. I just noted, why add more keys, when some keys aren't used today 
twin dew
twin dew
Not really.
Some weird cases like that, but the usage is pretty rare.
wide void
It took me Weeks to go back to WASD quickly on the G915 with only 1 row of G keys...
dusk rivet
Meanwhile we have this:
final boss of eating up your desk space
mental oriole
Uses minimal keyboard...
dusk rivet
me with my 60% keyboard
timber gyro
To be honest, I really dont understand how people can use a keyboard without the numpad. Using the number bar is so inefficient.
dusk rivet
i don’t type numbers all that often
jagged snow
To be honest, I really dont understand how people can use a keyboard without the...
If you can touch type on the top bar it's not as bad
But I do love my numpad
I use it for macros
I have two different macro layers that I can toggle, thinking of adding a 3rd
dusk rivet
might get a separate numpad that i can toggle as a macro
jagged snow
dusk rivet
gonna look for a wireless one so i don’t have to deal with cables, and i can just tuck it into my desk drawer when i’m not using it
best of 3 worlds, small keyboard, numpad, and macro pad
jagged snow
Go with a cheaper psu and get a better gpu
A 6650xt would be a nice improvement, 6700xt if you can swing it
a750 is also a good option at this price point
dire igloo
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LgdcGP
5600 performs the same and costs less
way overkill cooler, better get a single tower and invest the difference elsewhere
AM4 prefers 3600 CL18
NV2 is a shit SSD
could improve on the GPU, A750 and A770 are great rn
X3 Mesh uses molex fans, avoid
PSU is kinda fine-ish, idk if there's a viable cheaper alternative
mossy linden
dire igloo
MSI A550BN, idk if that's cutting it short
Solid mainboard for a lot cheaper
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RHWzK8
jagged snow
5600 performs the same and costs less
way overkill cooler, better get a single t...
That cooler is about the same price as a cheap single tower
dire igloo
That cooler is about the same price as a cheap single tower
about double
Assassin X 120, Burst Assassin 120
dire igloo
Solid mainboard for a lot cheaper
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RHWzK8
If you're fine with refurbished
https://www.ebay.com/itm/404483574171
jagged snow
about double
Those have gotten cheaper, good to know
jagged snow
Awesome, good shout
dire igloo
Same price, same perf, ARGB
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B1CZ6FR7
Better SSD, less expensive
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Y6YLrH
@mossy linden hope this helped
mossy linden
Now it says this: The Gigabyte B550M DS3H AC Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard supports the AMD Ryzen 5 5600 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor with BIOS version F14. If the motherboard is using an older BIOS version, updating the BIOS will be necessary to support the CPU.
mossy linden
<@1048012435799408720> hope this helped
Very helpful thank you very much
dire igloo
Now it says this: The Gigabyte B550M DS3H AC Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard supports ...
Warning's just there for historic reasons - when B550/X570 boards came out, 5000 series didn't exist yet.
And when 5000 series came out, you had to update BIOS on existing boards to allow for it.
Nowadays, all AM4 boards come with an up to date BIOS - unless they are very old (been on shelves for ages, used hardware)
jagged snow
Thats a solid build
dire igloo
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Njp4YN
better in almost every aspect
but the PSU is a bomb, avoid it
get rid of it immediately
mossy linden
k
jagged snow
Throw an evga 750br in there
dire igloo
Throw an evga 750br in there
nope, MSI A-BN is the play here
Get either of these for RAM
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/d3ZXsY
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KV4BD3
jagged snow
nope, MSI A-BN is the play here
Why do you say that?
$15 cheaper with no route for upgradeability
dire igloo
Why do you say that?
- EVGA 750 BR isn't listed on PCPP, doubt it even exists.
- MSI one costs less
jagged snow
Sorry, it's a BP not br
dire igloo
and MSI A-BN is higher quality than both EVGA BR and BQ
dire igloo
Sorry, it's a BP not br
still, C speculative vs yellow C on PSU cultists
cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/
mossy linden
the EVGA cost ~83 dollars on pcpp
dusk rivet
pcpp has a couple trusted retailers that it takes the lowest price from
dire igloo
at that price, this is higher quality https://pcpartpicker.com/product/v4L7YJ
and this is at least on par, tho unreviewed as of now https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hDQKHx
dire igloo
pcpp has a couple trusted retailers that it takes the lowest price from
US coverage is pretty good
dusk rivet
mhm
it does assume you have prime for amazon tho
so if you don’t, you might have to pay shipping or suffer with slow shipping
dire igloo
And for the rest of the world, there's these
https://pastebin.com/eETLUHrB
jagged snow
still, C speculative vs yellow C on PSU cultists
I thought cultists had it at b speculative
dire igloo
I thought cultists had it at b speculative
Nope. B5 is yellow B, no other EVGA B PSU in B tier
jagged snow
Good to know
mossy linden
I could use the free trial to buy on amazon idk about newegg, never heard of it
charred pewter
never heard of newegg?
mossy linden
In my country never
charred pewter
ahh
dusk rivet
chilean
mossy linden
Grande Chile
twin dew
So the relative prices can be completely different from the ones shown so far?
mossy linden
I've changed the psu to a EVGA 600BR 600W 80+ Bronze
dire igloo
I've changed the psu to a EVGA 600BR 600W 80+ Bronze
worse quality than A650BN
mossy linden
So the relative prices can be completely different from the ones shown so far?
Yeah, the shipping might be my biggest problem
charred pewter
hmm bronze ...
mossy linden
damm
charred pewter
sounds like my health plan ....
dire igloo
hmm bronze ...
efficiency doesn't correlate with quality
charred pewter
but lower efficiency needs higher the base watt unit to work with
prices all end up equating out wether you step up silver/gold, or watts on something lower
(right? or have i completely forgotten how PSU ratings go)
dire igloo
but lower efficiency needs higher the base watt unit to work with
a 600W unit will always be able to supply 600W, no matter if it's 80+ white or titanium
it'll just pull more power from the wall with lower efficiency
charred pewter
and run hotter
andthus wear out quicker 😉
buying platinum or titanium is kind of a waste though
dire igloo
temp isn't part of 80+ rating - unless it's something speced separately for the higher categories
80+ rating only measures how much power is drawn in addition to the power the hardware itself consumes
charred pewter
i figured the "Gold" ones were just the best value/quality/effenciey ...
dire igloo
yes, lower efficiency means extra power drawn means extra heat, but that's unrelated to PSU quality
charred pewter
kind of the 'middle road' meeting up with various good things without so much of the bad
dire igloo
remember, 80+ Gold PSUs can still blow up (P750GM and P850GM are gold rated)
charred pewter
heh, well, yeah, they ALL can blow up 😄
dire igloo
i figured the "Gold" ones were just the best value/quality/effenciey ...
neither of them. It just so happens that a lot of high end PSUs are rated gold or higher - while bronze PSUs tend to not rank as high.
That doesn't mean that a Gold rated PSU is good or that a bronze rated PSU is bad
you'll ALWAYS have to check the specific model
charred pewter
ive never had a psu blow up though ... im lucky. had one slip out of spec enough to where the motherboard wouldnt click on ... but the same psu worked fine with another motherboard (it was a seasonic)
dire igloo
and in this case, for the US market, MSI A-BN PSUs are the kings of the low cost decent quality spectrum
charred pewter
but then, every seasonic ive had in my life has been flakey or picky or fiddlesome, which is why i dont buy them anymore
MSI PSU ?
dire igloo
ive never had a psu blow up though ... im lucky. had one slip out of spec enough...
I've had my current PSU refuse service - wondered why, figured out that I reused a cable from my old PSU
dire igloo
680W Straight Power smth. Had an issue where you had to flip it off and back on after a shutdown or the PC wouldn't boot
twin dew
i figured the "Gold" ones were just the best value/quality/effenciey ...
That was old thing, from time when only way to get to Gold efficiency was to have cutting edge internals.
charred pewter
but but but .... braaaaand loyalty ... lol
twin dew
But hasn't been true for 10 years.
charred pewter
ok
twin dew
But I do see current Bronze and Silver PSUs in negative light overall, as getting Gold is so easy now.
charred pewter
yeah, the last psu i got before my current one, was well over 10 years ago 😉 so i may have that 'old data' stuck in my head still
i have ... uhh ... i got a RM850x 80+ Gold
was on sale ... 🤷
dire igloo
But I do see current Bronze and Silver PSUs in negative light overall, as gettin...
unless you're on a tight budget - 5600 and A750 levels of tight
dire igloo
i have ... uhh ... i got a RM850x 80+ Gold
highend PSU, even by today's standards
mossy linden
changed the psu and the ram to some cl18
twin dew
Yes, and I'm out of date how large the price difference is between ok bronze one and first usable gold ones.
dire igloo
changed the psu and the ram to some cl18
it's not about the CL18. It's about the 3600 MT/s
charred pewter
ddr4? (kind of a stupid question i guess... ddr5 isnt that slow)
dusk rivet
going 80+platinum for my next build, less heat will be helpful not to overheat the sff build
charred pewter
welp, guh... that last final sabrent they sent me, even though it has the capacitors and is in the same 'range' of serial number as the one that DOES work ..... it keeps corrupting my backups somehow.
dire igloo
Yes, and I'm out of date how large the price difference is between ok bronze one...
A550BN: $54
A650BN: $66
600W Toughpower GX2: $70
650W Toughpower Grand RGB: $80
dire igloo
going 80+platinum for my next build, less heat will be helpful not to overheat t...
normally, PSU heat is exhausted directly and not into the case
charred pewter
normally
dire igloo
depends on case construction
dusk rivet
given it’s literally right next to both the cpu cooler and gpu, could be a problem if it’s too toasty
even just from conduction
dire igloo
the fan pulls in, the grate around the power connector exhausts
dusk rivet
psu power connector doesn’t output to the outside of the case tho
dire igloo
given it’s literally right next to both the cpu cooler and gpu, could be a probl...
Gold vs Platinum won't make a difference in that regard
dusk rivet
has an internal cable
dire igloo
psu power connector doesn’t output to the outside of the case tho
that's up to the case then
which is why I said "usually"
mossy linden
it's not about the CL18. It's about the 3600 MT/s
its a 2x16GB ddr4 3600 cl18 is that ok?
you said before that am4 prefers 3600 CL18
dire igloo
its a 2x16GB ddr4 3600 cl18 is that ok?
if it's the cheapest at that spec, yes
mossy linden
there's a cheaper but it's from OLOy and I've never heard of them
dire igloo
there's a cheaper but it's from OLOy and I've never heard of them
brand doesn't matter for DDR4, they're fine
if you're paying a dollar or two for peace of mind, it's fine
mossy linden
After changing most of the parts because idk how to choose pc parts it ended up like this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tFmH7R
and its way cheaper than the other pre-build options that i had
mossy linden
oh shit, forgot to add the ram to the list 
but it's cheaper than for what I bought this laptop and better
mossy linden
Thank you to everyone who helped me I appreciate everyone's help since I barely know anything about pcs
rotund hamlet
twin dew
Why would anyone want Ryzen 7900X?
dire igloo
make it 7700 then
dire igloo
7 hour meetings should be illegal
some of the best entertainment I had in my job was from long ass meetings
dire igloo
got 1€ from a coworker cuz I told the presenting project lead to press F5 for the Powerpoint
edgy hazel
We made wonderful scenery using the emoji stickers. We had santa on a sled getting pulled by a bee
And everyone had a space for little post-its and we cluttered the one of our boss with notes with his own name on it
dusk rivet
that one watercooled 4090
sand saddle
Tesla A100
charred pewter
4090ti ? like an overclocked version from msi or whomever
sand saddle
No Ti yet
charred pewter
ah
sand saddle
4090 asus matrix is the best nvidia consumer GPU
dusk rivet
yeah looks like it’s the a100/h100
would those cards be better for gaming than a 4090 or no
jagged snow
Not at all
sand saddle
As far as PSUs go, don't need a ton.
Depends on the cpu cuz a 7800x3d has far lower power consumption when compared to a 14900k
dusk rivet
so uh you’d be looking at a 4090, not a a100
there’s an h100 for 30k usd
usually 32k
charred pewter
ha
sand saddle
It should be around 10k, but it's out of stock
dire igloo
you want best performance
sand saddle
They're used for AI and you know how that is...
dire igloo
not highest price
dusk rivet
asus matrix 4090 would be the best performance at least stock
sand saddle
There's not much OC headroom, Nvidia has locked all of it
dire igloo
imagine asking for the most expensive GPU.
I could get a dirt cheap GT730 or some other crap and sell it for 100k
charred pewter
asus matrix 4090 ...
sand saddle
Not to say that AMD is better really
dire igloo
boom, most expensive Nvidia GPU on the market
sand saddle
asus matrix 4090 ...
Get any 4090, they all perform the same within like 1%
dusk rivet
boom, most expensive Nvidia GPU on the market
get a 5usd thumb drive with rtx 4090 driver zip file, then just make it super fine print that it’s just the drivers and sell for 1k
dire igloo
get a 5usd thumb drive with rtx 4090 driver zip file, then just make it super fi...
tbf, Frigidman asked for the most expensive Nvidia card. So I could just snatch a free business card from somewhere and write "Nvidia" on it
abstract hawk
would those cards be better for gaming than a 4090 or no
not really. it would run hotter than the matrix and the only difference that I can tell is that it has like 80gb of vram
dusk rivet
80gb of vram is insane
abstract hawk
Get any 4090, they all perform the same within like 1%
not this one afaik. fully watercooled out of the box.
sand saddle
Nvidia has limited all of this shit
dire igloo
not really. it would run hotter than the matrix and the only difference that I c...
the chip itself is different too
sand saddle
If you can get around it, sure, it will perform a lot better cuz it's built for it
abstract hawk
Nvidia has limited all of this shit
if you google it says it performs 6-8% better
abstract hawk
the chip itself is different too
yeah that would make sense. also I think one of them does not have a video encoding chip or anything. those gpus are not meant for gaming and consumer uses usually
dire igloo
yeah that would make sense. also I think one of them does not have a video encod...
that was never the question tho
abstract hawk
true but its worth pointing out at least
dire igloo
this was
#off-topic-tech message
sand saddle
if you google it says it performs 6-8% better
Okay, you seem to be right
A few hundreds for a 6% improvement
abstract hawk
Okay, you seem to be right
though to be fair the 4 thousand dollar price tag is insane. unless you're made of money, its not worth it
abstract hawk
im in canada so i think its 3.2k in us or something
jagged snow
According to the techpowerup db, the slowest 4090 has a boost clock of 2535, and that asus card boosts to 2670 out of the box
But it's just a higher binned die, cooling is the only thing that really diffrentiates that card
dire igloo
though to be fair the 4 thousand dollar price tag is insane. unless you're made ...
even if you are, it's not
charred pewter
sorry, didnt mean to vanish there... in a business meeting lol
buying a 4090 was part of the meeting, and then we derailed down some other topic
dusk rivet
what business do you get paid to talk to people on discord about 4090’s
and where do i apply
jagged snow
The business he owns, I'd assume
dusk rivet
that makes sense
dusk rivet
asus rog matrix
jagged snow
The matrix is out of stock everywhere I'm looking
dusk rivet
the one with the massive liquid cooler attached
charred pewter
so would a rog strix be like second best
right, im kinda NOT interested in AIO water coolers
charred pewter
why is that one cheaper than https://www.newegg.com/asus-geforce-rtx-4090-rog-strix-rtx4090-24g-gaming/p/N82E16814126600
jagged snow
The one you linked isn't the OC edition
charred pewter
weird ... so no OC is more expensive
abstract hawk
even if you are, it's not
idk if you have like one billion dollars
you'd buy it just to be cool
jagged snow
weird ... so no OC is more expensive
They only produced a very small volume of the non oc version
charred pewter
wonder if i should step up to the 14 series cpu (and motherboard) too with the 4090
im on the 12600k
dont really wanna cpu bottleneck myself right
jagged snow
If you've got the money to burn then you might as well
edgy hazel
Gin Tonic take the pain away
charred pewter
end of year ... trying to find product to spend money on to reduce profit taxes =p
dusk rivet
lol
charred pewter
cant buy a car like normal companies LOL
dusk rivet
that’s what i meant
abstract hawk
full loop water cooling, not those AIO ones
until it leaks and ruins your mobo
(I know someone this hapened to)
probably from lack of maintenace for like 5 years
dusk rivet
just maintain your pc smh
charred pewter
ive never done liquid cooling ... it frightens me lol
abstract hawk
ive never done liquid cooling ... it frightens me lol
it can.... be a mess
charred pewter
with enough air flow through my pc cabinent, ive never needed to think about it
abstract hawk
its usually not worth
charred pewter
i even duct all the hot air out of my room into the next room closet
abstract hawk
nah my laptop is a glorified heater
abstract hawk
ah yes
charred pewter
soooo ..... https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Wdj7GP
some of these parts i already have ... but needed in the list to make it stop complaining (I have the PSU, and the PA120)
jagged snow
If you're speccing out for a 4090, I wouldn't reccomend the 850w
charred pewter
when it says ... does that mean i really should double that for what to get? like a 1000w
jagged snow
I'd reccomend a 1kw psu at least, yeah
charred pewter
k
jagged snow
That's just your combined total power of cpu & gpu, not accounting for effeciencly losses, peripherals, or transient spikes
And you need something with a 12v hpwr connector
charred pewter
ah crap, whats the diff now between "e" and "x" on the corsairs lol
the "e" is new as of 2023
didnt we JUST have a discussion about PSU LOL ... i shoulda paid better attention (scrolls up)
jagged snow
That was in reference to budged psus
charred pewter
oh hmm those were about 600w psu
im going to consider the RM1000x as being a really good contender
jagged snow
Bequiet dark power 13 1kw is one of the best 1kw power supplies out there with 12vhpwr support
twin dew
Which isn't needed and Corsair has cable available with native 12VHPWR connector for the GPU end.
jagged snow
I'm aware that almost any modular psu has cables
twin dew
As the two GPU to PSU direction information pins aren't used.
And none of the "12VHPWR" PSUs support them anyways.
jagged snow
But it's one of the best in terms of reliability, and that's why I reccomended it
twin dew
So there is absolutely no difference between modular PSU with "classic" connectors for the 12VHPWR cable at the PSU end, and one with the new connector there too.
charred pewter
hm
twin dew
Some of the "ATX3.0" PSUs do actually support the new ATX3.0 momentary current spec, that calls for up to double the current for short periods in spikes.
charred pewter
shame, the MSI Pro z790a Max mb is 'silver' ... bleah lol ... but the black MSI Pro z790a (non max) isnt compatible with the 14700k without bios updates
twin dew
But some don't.
jagged snow
Some of the "ATX3.0" PSUs do actually support the new ATX3.0 momentary current s...
Which that bequiet psu does
charred pewter
(i like msi motherboards... they have always done me well)
jagged snow
J2c did a pretty in-depth coverage of it, and cultists place it at the top of their list
charred pewter
the bequiet?
jagged snow
Yeah
charred pewter
how would you compare it to the corsair ... is there a link?
charred pewter
"w" .. "e" .. "x" ... lol grr
edgy hazel
"w" .. "e" .. "x" ... lol grr
Get the i
Being able to read out the psu data is nice
charred pewter
"Note: The video card PCIe 16-pin power connector adapter is being supplied by three 6+2-pin power connectors. Please ensure that the three 6+2-pin power connectors are not daisy-chained and do not share the same power cable."
is my math failing me here ...
twin dew
Again the same ass covering for owners of cheap PSUs with bad cables.
To not use PSU cable pigtail connectors.
charred pewter
which i believe the RM1000 does not have, it has enough modular cables for the job
edgy hazel
yeah I don't fw third party cables.
twin dew
And that might be included with the PSU already if you buy new one now.
charred pewter
👍
twin dew
But check what current Corsair pages say about the included cables for whatever you buy, if it is Corsair.
But going "native" is option too.
jagged snow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3iHAgwIYtI these are some pretty cool visuals
charred pewter
damn those engines look sublime
i think ive settled on this batch of parts (sans the PA120 which I already have) ... https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dbtddH ... seems kind of cheap considering thats the same price as a MAC LAPTOP which can barely run anything
edgy hazel
compared to a 7900xtx you pay more than double for a GPU which does like 10% more
charred pewter
oh, yeah, naw im not gonna do amd this round, sorry
im just too ... stupid i guess, and sticking with nvidia for a bit more
edgy hazel
Yeah but your "naw no amd" costs you 1.5k
mossy linden
damm... the parts are cheap but the shipping fee is gonna kill me
charred pewter
most of those parts i can pick up locally at microcenter for less (no shipping too) ... the rest going on amazon i get 5% cash back on those too, and free shipping ... so i can cut some costs, but not 1.5k of costs lol
edgy hazel
like this isn't worth that money for me
dusk rivet
frigid is basically trying to get the best pc money can buy, given they’re getting a tax cut for it
edgy hazel
like
edgy hazel
frigid is basically trying to get the best pc money can buy, given they’re getti...
tax cut won't be big enough to even barely compensate for that
dusk rivet
fair enough
charred pewter
yeah, im seeing that even if i bought all new hardware, its basically nothing compared to just keeping the lump sum of money
its not expensive enough lol .... would have to just buy a car instead
edgy hazel
It's fine to go on a spending spree and treat yourself. But don't burn it :/
and a 4090 is burning it
charred pewter
right, but i kinda do want to splurge on a "RT" and "AI" and whatever bs nvidia-only nonsense kinda gpu ....
lol
edgy hazel
you'll find out that RT runs on a 7900xtx just fine
(although it's still not worth it)
and what you mean with AI?
DLSS?
charred pewter
games ive tried it in, i honestly end up 'not noticing rt' after actually playing the game, since your focus is on other things instead of pixels in corners
that new ai stuff, the uh ... shit whats it called ...
frame gen
dusk rivet
so yeah, dlss
edgy hazel
what resolution you play at?
dusk rivet
damned autocorrect
charred pewter
i prefer 1440p because i get more speed out of it
but its nice to bump to 4k in games that benefit from the visuals
like, no point in running factorio in 4k ...
well, bad example LOL
(only need a laptop to play factorio!)
edgy hazel
although AMD is a bit late with their frame gen, they'll have their own version
charred pewter
i also think it would be more opensource version too ... like FSR and FreeSync
edgy hazel
and AMD tends to not lock you out of features when your card gets older
charred pewter
kind of a short gap ... i went from a 980ti to 3080 ...
i have not been impressed with the 3080
edgy hazel
3080 to 7900xtx is a ~40% jump
charred pewter
the 7900xt woulda been a much better choice than the 3080 for sure (same price)
charred pewter
💣
dusk rivet
they removed the new layout i was using, and im mad
night girder
new discord mobile sucks
What happened?
edgy hazel
Fuck stereotypes, but I'd lie if I said I didn't love replying to stupid shit with "I work in IT"
Hair getting too long? IT
Eyebags? IT
charred pewter
neck beard? IT
edgy hazel
Too much coffee? IT
dire igloo
grumpy attitude? IT
charred pewter
living in moms basement? IT
night girder
"Why so negative always?" - "It."
edgy hazel
neck beard? IT
Okay nah I have the decency to shave that lmao
charred pewter
sometimes, i dont =p
i honestly hate shaving cause of the discomfort of it overall, and the waste of time each morning
if i could rub something on my face that kills all hair folicles...
dire igloo
I'm trying to grow a regular beard. Tough struggle with the beard growth of a teenage girl
edgy hazel
i honestly hate shaving cause of the discomfort of it overall, and the waste of ...
just don't use blades 😄
dire igloo
if i could rub something on my face that kills all hair folicles...
wondering if H2O2 would do that
if it doesn't, enjoy your titanium blonde beard
night girder
https://tenor.com/view/electric-razor-prepping-priming-preparing-esquire-gif-139...
Today sponsor: Manscape
am I the only one who cringes when you watch a YT video and they suddenly plug in a manscape sponsorship?
dire igloo
thanks, now the Braun ads are running in my head
charred pewter
hm
i have a braun, and i hate it.... it takes literally 10 passes over every area to get it shaved right
dire igloo
the cringe comes when they try to navigate around describing intimate care while staying advertiser friendly
night girder
It can be about planets, and they do something like "Do you like round objects? But you don't like hairy objects? Try manscape!" ... and I am like. How did we get from planets, to this?
charred pewter
what, yours arnt the size of planets ?
dire igloo
i have a braun, and i hate it.... it takes literally 10 passes over every area t...
model over brand
edgy hazel
I'm trying to grow a regular beard. Tough struggle with the beard growth of a te...
I have trouble with the cheeks so I go
night girder
what, yours arnt the size of planets ?
depends on which planet you are refering too 🤣
charred pewter
pluto hahaha
night girder
For real, it creeps the hell out of me having to hear how another man shaves his balls in a YT video.
charred pewter
or in here, please stop 😄
night girder
I guess this still falls under the category: "hardware"
night girder
I have trouble with the cheeks so I go
My barber used to do my beard. Asking 15 euro's for it 😒
dire igloo
I guess this still falls under the category: "hardware" <:hehe:38248315654202982...
"beard" in German is "Bart" - this is Bartware
charred pewter
barber wanted to charge $25 USD to buz my head... so i spent $25 on a trimmer, and buzz my own head now for years since
probably saved $2000 by now lol... best $25 trimmer i bought
so i can blow it all on a overpriced gpu that herg hates
night girder
so i can blow it all on a overpriced gpu that herg hates
which one?
night girder
isn't 4090 one of the bests cards atm? what's wrong with it besides it's huge price?
charred pewter
just the price
abstract hawk
price and power, i guess
size too? I dunno if you're getting a 4090 you probabaly have the supporting infrastructure
jagged snow
barber wanted to charge $25 USD to buz my head... so i spent $25 on a trimmer, a...
That's pretty crazy pricing... I pay $20 for a full haircut
charred pewter
and a 'haircut' takes more time and talent than just a straight level 1 'buzz'
jagged snow
Yup
night girder
price and power, i guess
size too? I dunno if you're getting a 4090 you probabal...
yeah, it's a bit power hungry
oh, and it's Nvidia 😉
charred pewter
so when he was like 'that'll be $25' ... i was like ... uhhhhhhhh ok?
jagged snow
so when he was like 'that'll be $25' ... i was like ... uhhhhhhhh ok?
And you're still expected to tip on top of that, which is crazy
night girder
And you're still expected to tip on top of that, which is crazy
we don't tip our barbers
jagged snow
It's just the US that's weird about tipping
night girder
oh right
jagged snow
We have to tip everyone
edgy hazel
mine costs 17 so I pay 20
night girder
We have to tip everyone
What do you think about that?
charred pewter
yeah, tipping is flat out weird here
night girder
Would you rather pay more or tip?
jagged snow
What do you think about that?
I dislike it. In my opinion, tipping should be reserved for exceptional service
charred pewter
you order take out, you drive there and pick it up, and they expect a 'waiters tip' for that
jagged snow
Would you rather pay more or tip?
I'd definitely rather pay more
But I also know quite a few people that work for tips, and the expected tipping values add up to way more than you'd expect
charred pewter
i get 'more service' from a bank teller, than the take out cashier... and i dont tip my bank teller =p
night girder
Yeah, to me it's a very weird habit that they force you to tip. We do tip in restaurants for good service.
charred pewter
im fine with tipping in a sit-down restaurant where the waiter did a good job (even the job they are expected too)
jagged snow
But I also know quite a few people that work for tips, and the expected tipping ...
For example, one friend makes $8.50/hr and an additional $20/hr in tips on average
night girder
That's crazy.
jagged snow
Yeah
night girder
I guess it's difficult to get out of the habbit once it's rooted in a society.
jagged snow
But the "expectation" is usually 20%. The last time I went to a sit-down resteraunt with a few friends, the bill was almost $100, so that was a $20 tip. We were one of four tables that waitress served within the span of an hour
night girder
Maybe only a law can actually stop the behavior. "It's forbidden to force people to tip. Tipping should be done out of free will."
jagged snow
The problem is that you aren't "forced" to tip
It's mostly just a social expectation, and waiters will shame you into it
charred pewter
used to be 15% ... now its like they demand 20% even when they put in minimal effort
night girder
It's mostly just a social expectation, and waiters will shame you into it
Well shaming is a way of pushing/forcing 😒
jagged snow
Last time I was served by someone exceptionally rude and tipped nothing, they made several rude comments about it and pointed it out to other staff
night girder
Still, I am just wondering how to revert tiping once it's at that phase. Here we don't have that habit of tipping.
jagged snow
Yeah, I'm not sure how it would be done, even with regulation
night girder
Last time I was served by someone exceptionally rude and tipped nothing, they ma...
Sounds like a place to never visit again
night girder
I did see some weird videos of US restaurants, where the employees yell and are rude to costumers on purpose. For the experience.
jagged snow
I've never experienced that
charred pewter
mother n I went to a chinese restaurant recently.... the waiter clearly kept repeating the wrong thing and i corrected her three times.... we ended up getting multiple dishes of things we didnt order (and the thing we WANTED to order). couldnt explain we didnt want those other dishes... so we accepted them anyways (chinese good leftovers is fine) ...... so we left a 5% tip when we left =p
night girder
Dick's Last Resort in Las Vegas
jagged snow
Ah, Vegas. That explains it
night girder
Ah, Vegas. That explains it
Yeah, beardmeetsfood did a video there.
charred pewter
maybe this chinese restaurant we went too it was 'their thing' to always get the order wrong to puctuate they dont understand english? 😄
jagged snow
I find the fact that you have houses constructed entirely from stone as weird as you probably find tipping
night girder
I find the fact that you have houses constructed entirely from stone as weird as...
I can understand that.
jagged snow
maybe this chinese restaurant we went too it was 'their thing' to always get the...
Doesn't excuse compelling you to pay for something you didn't want
jagged snow
Anyways imagine having at will employment
There are still limits to it
We're in a much better situation than canada
night girder
Doesn't excuse compelling you to pay for something you didn't want
I don't understand it. It doesn't matter what you pay for. Correct is correct.
edgy hazel
Big words coming from me (who can't be fired except when I steal or beat someone)
jagged snow
We're in a much better situation than canada
They can't tell employees why they were fired without risking legal liability
night girder
If you order a red pen. And you get a blue one. It's a small transaction. But you ordered a red one so... you should get one.
jagged snow
Big words coming from me (who can't be fired except when I steal or beat someone...
That's a terrible system
charred pewter
usually when i do take-out, i overorder a few extra dishes, cause i know i will dig through them for lunches and snacks over the week LOL ...
jagged snow
If you can make yourself so valuable that they "can't" fire you, that's an entirely different scenario
night girder
usually when i do take-out, i overorder a few extra dishes, cause i know i will ...
🤣
edgy hazel
If you can make yourself so valuable that they "can't" fire you, that's an entir...
No. Legally
jagged snow
No. Legally
Why you specifically then?
edgy hazel
It's like an apprenticeship type deal
jagged snow
That makes a little bit more sense, but still weird
jagged snow
oh no
edgy hazel
But it's to avoid getting people in these positions and then firing them a year later or so, since it lasts 3 years
jagged snow
I have a really good relationship with the staff at a local pizza place, so I get entire free pizzas from time to time
jagged snow
But it's to avoid getting people in these positions and then firing them a year ...
That makes a lot more sense
How's the transition to networking going?
edgy hazel
Nicely
night girder
You going for networking? Nice 😄
abstract hawk
This is a pizza I had to make a call for. Look at it.
looks like my cafeteria food
night girder
looks like my cafeteria food
15 euro's btw
edgy hazel
Setting up my pi to get some experience with docker and shit like that
abstract hawk
15 euro's btw
what the hellllll
night girder
Setting up my pi to get some experience with docker and shit like that
will be easy for you
jagged snow
15 euro's btw
At least it wasn't a terrible price
night girder
docker has good documentation.
edgy hazel
Never worked with docker but I assume there is tons of docs for it
edgy hazel
docker has good documentation.
Yeeeee
night girder
I got docker running on my NAS with a photo duplicate service to find well... duplicate photos.
edgy hazel
But there is a difference between following documentation and actually understanding it
I'd like to do the latter
night girder
Yeah, getting docker up and running is easy if you follow tutorial. Understanding every feature of docker is like knowing a coding language for 100%. Almost impossible. But that's why there is documentation and videos.
night girder
But Docker is such a cool tool.
@edgy hazel Maybe you know this already. But also look into Docker Compose and other orchestration tools.
These tools can do load balancing and spin up more docker containers depending on load etc.
edgy hazel
the hard part will be actually figuring out what project I want to do with it
night girder
That way only resources are used based on request/load of the service.
When there are less request, orchestra will stop containers to reduce resources and costs.
edgy hazel
need something where I also need to configure firewall stuff and do some networking
night girder
the hard part will be actually figuring out what project I want to do with it
You can start simple. Make your own image. Run your own code, something simple within the image. And spin it up to see if it works.
The networking I know with docker is between containers.
In one container you have a front-end (simple website?), the other container you have a back-end.
It's not hard. But maybe a good start.
edgy hazel
a website might actually be a good first start
night girder
milanwittpohl.com/projects/tutorials/full-stack-web-app/dockerizing-our-front-and-backend - Here, might be helpful.
edgy hazel
milanwittpohl.com/projects/tutorials/full-stack-web-app/dockerizing-our-front-an...
Yeah that's nice
gilded helm
Is the Sandy Munro/Musk talk interesting?
edgy hazel
https://youtu.be/pL9o_BwSN-o?si=cS0k53lCUpquu6wX&t=8
glorb went crazy this time
night girder
https://youtu.be/pL9o_BwSN-o?si=cS0k53lCUpquu6wX&t=8
glorb went crazy this time
"I'm a stone faced killer just like my house is." 🤣 🔥
edgy hazel
"I'm a stone faced killer just like my house is." 🤣 🔥
gotta check out his other stuff. He got barsbarsbars
night girder
the cost of not living in the usa
no, the cost of ordering from the usa.
jagged snow
$78 usd shipping fee for a $180 dollars a750 <:tired_jace:807645447258243072>
Purchase from domestic retailers
dire igloo
list of domestic retailers:
https://pastebin.com/eETLUHrB
gilded helm
Become a smuggler!
night girder
Become a smuggler!
👌 advice
mossy linden
that's the problem, there isn't on my domestic retailer
and probably they gonna give back some of that shipping fee
amazon automatically calculates import fees but some products don't have to pay it so they give you that money back (at least on my experience)
night girder
amazon automatically calculates import fees but some products don't have to pay ...
then what's the problem? 😄
dire igloo
The true Ducky keyboard
https://youtube.com/shorts/Cst6uVp4jo0
night girder
The true Ducky keyboard
https://youtube.com/shorts/Cst6uVp4jo0
omg 🦆
mossy linden
the only thing that's gonna come free of shipping fee is the cpu cooler xD
el que quiera celeste que le cueste
night girder
The true Ducky keyboard
https://youtube.com/shorts/Cst6uVp4jo0
wonder how much it cost to make 😛
mental oriole
I'm like... but why.
dire igloo
I'm like... but why.
because QUACK
dusk rivet
wonder how much it cost to make 😛
the keycaps are the most expensive part lol
languid gulch
narrow folio
Uh, nice 👍
mossy linden
this might be a very stupid question but how do I know everything will fit in the case?
jagged snow
The only real concerns are psu compatibility(that's fine) gpu length/height(also should be fine) and cpu cooler height
You can just look up the values for various components and compare with the cases listed compatibility for those parts
PCPP can do rudimentary checks for dimensional compatibility, and is fairly reliable in doing so.
mossy linden
also learnt from other dude that I could just use the cooler that comes with the cpu instead of a custom one
jagged snow
That's acceptable, you will get slightly better performance and a much quieter system with a tower cooler though
mossy linden
so it's up to my choise
dusk rivet
tower cooler also gives some headroom for upgrading the cpu without needing to upgrade the cooler
albeit not a lot of headroom depending on the cpu you pick, but definitely some
mossy linden
I don't want to imagine the trouble I'll have when building this thing if I'm having problems just choosing parts
dusk rivet
honestly choosing the parts is the hardest part lol
pc building is super straightforward
it’s mostly plugging in cables and screwing in some screws
all of which have very obvious and hard to mess up placements
abstract hawk
unless you do rgb
I hate rgb. not worth the hassle. I think rbg looks gimmicky
and cpu cooling adapters
twin dew
Maxeek was up for the whole night?
edgy hazel
Thinking about phone camera setups
Imo the ideal setup is 4 cameras.
1 standard
1 zoom
1 ultrawide/macro (but good please)
1 depht
Ultrawide/Macro is optional*
gilded helm
Thinking about phone camera setups
In what tier of phone? At what point can the rest of us stop paying for features that won't be used?
edgy hazel
The herg tier
dire igloo
and cpu cooling adapters
Do you mean LGA1700 contact frame?
dire igloo
I don't want to imagine the trouble I'll have when building this thing if I'm ha...
Building a PC is like assembling a medium complexity Lego set.
Prepare for it with some YouTube tutorials and read the manuals. if you are unsure, you can always ask in here
night girder
Building a PC is like assembling a medium complexity Lego set.
Prepare for it wi...
With a lot of abbreviations
edgy hazel
And more expensive
midnight osprey
ifI wanted to game competitively, would length of ethernet lead be an issue?
dire igloo
And more expensive
And you don't really know if you did a step right until you are close to finished
dire igloo
ifI wanted to game competitively, would length of ethernet lead be an issue?
At some point, yeah.
But with common household cable lengths, not really
At that scale, it's usually delay or packet loss added by network hardware
twin dew
Spec compliant cable can do that 100m that is the max.
So keep the total cable length between active devices to 100m or less and there shouldn't be problems.
soft bloom
how many undervolt GPUs?
edgy hazel
sand saddle
If I understand that sentence correctly, I can answer that I do
night girder
ifI wanted to game competitively, would length of ethernet lead be an issue?
look into cat of cables.
midnight osprey
cat of cables?
midnight osprey
I was asking about length
night girder
length is related 🤦♂️
The maximum length of a Cat5e or Cat6 Ethernet cable is about 295 ft. (90 m), plus up to 16 ft. (5 m) of patch cable on either end, for a total of 328 feet or 100 meters. Beyond this, the signal begins to degrade, reducing the speed and reliability of the connection.
twin dew
Wrong, there were shielded variants of Cat5 and Cat5e, so those should be "Sometimes" too.
But that is what cable you need for 100m long run with the specced speed shown there.
Cat6 is 30m of 10Gbps, which is not listed.
midnight osprey
ah, well mine is just 10m
night girder
ah, well mine is just 10m
👍
midnight osprey
but I am curious if it was just .5 meter if it would help for competitive gaming
night girder
Wrong, there were shielded variants of Cat5 and Cat5e, so those should be "Somet...
Can be old picture for all I know. I wanted to point out.
night girder
Different cat, you have shielding, speeds etc.
midnight osprey
I have cat 8
dire igloo
> The maximum length of a Cat5e or Cat6 Ethernet cable is about 295 ft. (90 m), ...
Pretty much exactly what I said.
#off-topic-tech message
night girder
but it's not if you make the cable 1 centimeter, it's suddenly 10000x faster 🤣
twin dew
Difference is what speed of the signal in the cable is.
So 50-95% of light speed.
midnight osprey
but it's not if you make the cable 1 centimeter, it's suddenly 10000x faster 🤣
lol, reminds of those DIY hacks
and by hacks I mean the dodgy folk
twin dew
The 100m max is for timings in the protocol.
The latency between the endpoints gets too long for the set max response time.
Not for signal integrity reasons.
If you have good enough cable.
midnight osprey
cool
night girder
Pretty much exactly what I said.
https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546...
I know, but I also know the length is based on cat type sometimes
twin dew
Yes, and 10Mbit/s Ethernet could be up to 300m long with suitable cable.
night girder
Acording to that picture, cat 8 at max 15meter can do 100Gbps.
cat 8 at 36 meter can only do 40 Gbps.
Gotta love ethernet cables.
Then you have different type of shielding if I remember correctly.
Shielding around the wires. Or shielding around every seperate wire.
rotund hamlet
Gotta love ethernet cables.
or poorly made infographics
twin dew
Around pairs of wires.
night girder
Right, thanks Baldur 😄
night girder
or poorly made infographics
Why is it poorly made? You 👀 something that is incorrect?
Or did the color offend you?
twin dew
None, foil and/or shield weave around all the pairs, foil around each pair.
Combination of the two latter.
rotund hamlet
maybe I'm half asleep, nevermind
night girder
night girder
or poorly made infographics
Here is another one 😉 Not really infographic 😄
twin dew
SF/FTP would be Shield + Foil around all the pair, then foil around each pair.
Foil is better against high frequencies, shield works against low frequencies.
But foil can pop open when cable is bent.
night girder
Right, forgot about the flexibility of the cable.
twin dew
S/FTP is without the outer foil, F/FTP is without the outer shield.
Then U/FTP is just the pair foils, F/UTP is just the outer foil, U/UTP is no shielding.
S/UTP is just weave shield, which isn't very good.
night girder
delete it.
it's alright.
Just get pro. Disable force updates. And 👌
it will. The way they force updates really really pissed me off.
😄
😒
What is wrong with skype?
nothing?
have you tried turning it on and off again?
you restarted PC?
ctrl + alt + delete to make sure there is no skype service hung in the background
kill everything skype related.
no error?
Did it work before?
Or is this first time booting up skype?
www.skype.com/en/get-skype/ - you redownloaded it?
Or downloaded from Microsoft store.
Doesn't mean you doing anything wrong. Microsoft can bork it with one of their trillion updates.
you can also try downlaoding skype from microsoft store
soft bloom
If I understand that sentence correctly, I can answer that I do
How many incorrect interpretations can there be?
night girder
reinstalling windows for skype seems drastic.
try using the web client of skype maybe? - only if it's only for work or whatever important calls you have to make on skype 😉
soft bloom
On the topic of cats: how many cables did you encounter in one place? How many before signal degrades?
sand saddle
How many incorrect interpretations can there be?
Idk
twin dew
Like the spec said, device - patch-cable - main cable - patch-cable - device with total length of 100m, with designed to be 5m+90m+5m
soft bloom
Like the spec said, device - patch-cable - main cable - patch-cable - device wit...
That doesn't account for interference, i bet
twin dew
Mostly does.
Because the max length is for the timing, not the signal.
Just need to have that shielded main cable and the installation needs to take the other ones into account.
soft bloom
I remember that having a bunch of pcs and laptops in small room all streaming video created some problems with network overall, even though every individual machine and router were fine
night girder
if it doesn't work in your browser.
then I guess it's between your account <--> server.
soft bloom
Just need to have that shielded main cable and the installation needs to take th...
And replacing with shielded cables helped
Even though there was no need in their throughoutput
Anybody using DP with amd gpus? I cannot get to load unto bios/uefi
twin dew
Some monitors don't like low resolution signals at all, or over some interconnect types.
And will just not show image in those cases.
Nothing to do with GPU, but the monitor.
Because I have no idea how to fix the specific issue.
Seen similar before where one or all Windows Store new-type app(s) stop working, and no idea how to fix.
Because the stuff is intentionally a black box.
Only thing I can suggest is running the "Windows Store Apps" troubleshooter.
On Win 10 under Settings, Update & Security, Troubleshoot, additional troubleshooters.
There hasn't been different one for long time?
soft bloom
Some monitors don't like low resolution signals at all, or over some interconnec...
I also usually donct get to see the dual boot window (grub thing)...
But today i tried with hdmi again, and on third reboot i saw grub menu, but didn't get to see uefi 😦
twin dew
I also usually donct get to see the dual boot window (grub thing)...
But today i...
Because you cannot get to UEFI by mashing if Quick Boot is on.
You need to ask to go there from OS, or from boot loader.
Win10: Settings, Update & Security, Recovery, Advanced Startup: Restart now.
And then under some of the options is entry to go to UEFI.
soft bloom
Because you cannot get to UEFI by mashing if Quick Boot is on.
Its not, i can assure you.... (Probably)
If it was on i wouldn't get the grub menu (i don't see it but i know it exist so i time down down enter when i want windows, and it works)
twin dew
And have you tried with another monitor?
As I said, that is usually monitor problem.
soft bloom
You need to ask to go there from OS, or from boot loader.
And today that didn't work. Or rather it probably worked by i didn't get any picture. (Judging by the fact that single short rpess on boot button immediately shutdown system)
soft bloom
And have you tried with another monitor?
As I said, that is usually monitor prob...
Not yet...
Actually i just remember i have small 8 inch monitor i coud try 🙂
soft bloom
And have you tried with another monitor?
As I said, that is usually monitor prob...
I'm trying to remember if i ever saw uefi of this newer motherboard on this monitor... I know for sure that other uefi worked well (from other manufacturer)
twin dew
Some have switched to using 1920x1080 for the UEFI, some have not.
Same with GRUB, you can configure it to use higher resolution, but by default it uses 640x480.
soft bloom
Same with GRUB, you can configure it to use higher resolution, but by default it...
For whatever reason i saw it both super tiny 4k and fhd and wanky 480p on this very monitor
Linus is the way
edgy hazel
mental oriole
Good summary.
pure karma
i defedently dont miss the days when intel u series chips had no turbo clock and still baked to death
got about 5 fps on furmark running on the IGPU and even 5fps is being generous lol
charred pewter
its unbelievable the price on the 4090 lol ...
pure karma
yea
charred pewter
and that its always out of stock ... like... really ? that many buy it, its out of stock all the time?
pure karma
its also unbelieveble how much high cpu clock speeds demands have surpassed all cpu's
charred pewter
?
pure karma
all games practically when from gpu bottlenecks to cpu speed bottlenecks over the last like 3-4 years
charred pewter
seems each new intel series, the cpu 'speed' is lower and lower ...
i used to have 5ghz intel cpu... now the new 14 series are 3.2ghz ? lol
pure karma
its going up but like by 0.2ghz per generation at this point
charred pewter
(granted its over 20 cores.......)
jagged snow
and that its always out of stock ... like... really ? that many buy it, its out ...
They're not producing very many at all, mist of nvidia's production is focused on ai, because according to Jensen they're "no longer a computer graphics company"
pure karma
i used to have 5ghz intel cpu... now the new 14 series are 3.2ghz ? lol
the 14900K is 6ghz overclockless?
charred pewter
shame the M3 cpu's cant come to PC builds 😄
pure karma
14700k i dont remember
13900k was like 5.6,5.8 something like that and 13700K is 5.4GHZ
charred pewter
but this is how i always see it listed: "Intel Core i7-14700K Raptor Lake 3.4GHz" .... 3.4ghz
nowhere does it say 6ghz or whatnot
pure karma
there listing the base clock probably
charred pewter
oh, 'idle work speed' ?
jagged snow
Yup
jagged snow
oh, 'idle work speed' ?
Not even that, just the minimum clock the cpu will run at
pure karma
because these are the full specs for the 14700K
charred pewter
ahhhhhhhhh ...
pure karma
so yea there listing the P-core base instead of P-core turbo
charred pewter
funny, they used to list the maximum cause 'marketting' lol
8ghz†† cpu!!!! (†† at theoretical overclocked speeds)
so, even though yesterday i was like 'ill buy a 4090' .... and even though i *could .... i look at that price and think how absurd that is for a single pc part
edgy hazel
and that its always out of stock ... like... really ? that many buy it, its out ...
4090 is a scam tbh. They're out of stock because the good dies that are needed for it are used in data center cards
night girder
🍿
charred pewter
so herg is the resident pro-amd guy .... why are all the model names between amd cpu and gpu so confusing ... like, i saw someone say getting a 7800X3D is better than a 13600k .... and im like, but isn't that a amd gpu, compared to an intel cpu ? wat
edgy hazel
Huh
night girder
cpu.
charred pewter
7800X3D is a gpu? or cpu ?
edgy hazel
The 3D should be a good indicator
charred pewter
so what is a 7800XTX ?
edgy hazel
Your also missing the part infront of it
charred pewter
ok, so whomever said get a gpu instead of a cpu, is just a moron ?
edgy hazel
Yup
charred pewter
"The 3D should be a good indicator" .... to me, 3D means graphics, which means GPU
edgy hazel
The prefix is the important bit
jagged snow
"The 3D should be a good indicator" .... to me, 3D means graphics, which means G...
In this case, x3d is because it has 3d v-cache
charred pewter
yeah ... so when amd people drop the prefix, i get all confused what they are talking about
jagged snow
It's about as fast as a 13900k in gaming
edgy hazel
Ryzen = CPU
RX = GPU
pure karma
amd's branding is like really overcomplexified
night girder
yeah ... so when amd people drop the prefix, i get all confused what they are ta...
It's because you are not familiar with AMD eco system.
sand saddle
7900xtx and 7800x3d are best high end value for gaming
night girder
I am not familiar with AMD or Nvidia. So both confuse the heck out of me.
pure karma
its simple once you learn it but learning it is hell
jagged snow
yeah ... so when amd people drop the prefix, i get all confused what they are ta...
Gpus have xt or xtx suffix, cause have x or x3d
sand saddle
amd's branding is like really overcomplexified
It's really not. Very similar to intel.
charred pewter
im out of touch with AMD since the last one i had was when "Opterons" were the shiz 😄
night girder
"ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX 4090 24GB GDDR6X" look at this naming. How is that not confusing.
sand saddle
Though ryzen 7600 and radeon 7600 being a thing is quite stupid
charred pewter
makes perfect sense, Letterdief.... not
i have a radeaon 78000xf (fx? xfx?) ... card on my shelf somewhere
its garbage ...
night girder
XFX is a company. Like Asus for example.
charred pewter
ah, here is what it is: SAPPHIRE Radeon 9800PRO 128MB DDR AGP 4X/8X Video Card - Retail
not sure why i thought it was 7800
OH... cause i bought a Geforce 7800gt WITH it
🤦
i also got one of these: XFX Radeon HD 5870 1GB 256-bit DDR5
night girder
Sapphire is also a company that just makes it. Just like Asus. Then Radeon for AMD. 9800 is model I guess. Pro is better. Than you have RAM. AGP is a interface (www.interfacebus.com/Design_Connector_AGP.html)
DDR stand for east germany
or "Double Data Rate Synchronous Dynamic Random-Access Memory"
charred pewter
kinda confusing in there the overlap in 'number' on gpu models
night girder
Maybe we should create an app, that you can take a photo of a CPU/GPU name, and it will explain everything part by part 🤣
charred pewter
even the overlap of nvidia and amd (but spread decades apart)
AMD will come out with an 8800xt soon ... not to be confused with the 8800gt
you have GOT to admire the tenacity in anti-amd bias of that stupid website ....
wish google would stop surfacing that website in searches .... kinda like i wish google would stop surfacing 'w3schools' over the actual moz docs
night girder
Honestly, when it comes to hardware.
I rather just ask in here than trust websites to this point. Or I check websites and I double check information with people.
charred pewter
i have a hard time finding 'the good review sites' anymore ...... so many pop to the top in google results that iver never heard of and they look like click bait junk reviews
night girder
just put multiple next to eachother
charred pewter
same with youtube 'reviews' ... some rando with only 12k followers shows up in top results, and im like ... wheres the big boys videos??
dusk rivet
you have GOT to admire the tenacity in anti-amd bias of that stupid website ....
wonder how much they get paid to skew benchmark results
charred pewter
userbench seems 'ok' if you are comparing apples to apples... but if you do ANY sort of compare of one side to the amd side, its HEAVY skewed
night girder
This is funny. If you go to 3DMark's website. You find this:
charred pewter
but like comparing a 13700 to a 14700, or a 3080 to a 4080 ... it seems to shed some light
night girder
Gamers: "Our GPU HAS to be Nvidia. But for our CPU we want AMD" 🤣
charred pewter
ha
and to me, that seems like 'making a mess' ... mixing sides like that 😄
you are either red or blue, not purple
night girder
I wonder if it's possible to manipulate the benchmarks from 3DMark.
I think it's just API calls. So if you manipulate the API call somehow...
charred pewter
I wonder if it's possible to manipulate the benchmarks from 3DMark.
if you had a bot farm
charred pewter
It really doesn't matter
times have changed? or its always been that way, but us old timers are stuck in our ways of choosing 'sides' ?
sand saddle
Dunno
night girder
You get what's best value for you at the time of buying
That doesn't say anything my friend 🙂
charred pewter
seems to me a decade+ ago, it was very clear when there was bad mixes
night girder
since the best value is subjective.
sand saddle
Yes, the "for you" part
charred pewter
value... subjective ?
sand saddle
It depends on what the subject is doing with the pc
charred pewter
i guess if you take into account if your value means sacrifice things you are fine sacrificing, while to others they could never sacrifice
night girder
If only there was a way, to get a ratio between performance/price of a GPU.
but it's impossible to lock down performance.
night girder
value... subjective ?
Yes, for example you told me yesterday you want a 4090.
To me, that's just utter crazy. 2K for a 4090.
charred pewter
price be damned!
night girder
I paid 600 euro's for a 6950
charred pewter
lol right
its also crazy the jump in price from a 4070ti to a 4090 (we ignore the 4080 because, like whats the point of that model)
sand saddle
When you don't have that much money, but need over 12G of vram ig
night girder
Aah, why doesn't GW2 and AMD want to play along 😦
I tried so much already.
The whole PC just crashes when I alt + tab from discord to GW2. Only happens with that game.
and I mean PC crash. Like black screen and full reboot.
charred pewter
GW2 poorly coded
night girder
That's one thing.
charred pewter
im sure it bails on intel just the same
night girder
I never. Ever. Had so many crashes. With Nvidia. In the 7 years I used the card.
And I am only using AMD for a few months now.
and I am not sure at this point if it's just shitty amd, or new technology and games needing to catch up.
but the more I think about it, the more I am beginning to believe amd is just cheap because it's more crap. and amd knows this.
charred pewter
could very well just be a driver issue
nvidia suffers driver issues with random specific games too
night girder
Tried disabling AMD overlay, disabled every AMD feature, repaired GW2, delete GW2 cache, reset the shader caching of GPU, full screen, borderless window screen, ...
charred pewter
GW2 being so old though, i would think they have worked out the problem by now
night girder
never had any of these issues with my old 1080
charred pewter
..... maybe its discord causing the crash?
night girder
also a full PC crash is nasty.
Then wouldn't it also cause issues with other games?
charred pewter
there was a time in there where if i had discord running during a SuperDupe! on my mac... the entire mac would kernal panic halfway through and reboot
night girder
Right now I am just AFK in GW2 and spamming alt+tab to get it to crash or see if I got it fixed 😄
charred pewter
ok, while you do that... im off trying to find articles on which motherboard is great for an 14700k :/ ...... not all LGA1700 are made equally for the cpus! arg
YOU KNOW.... woke up thinking this this morning .... with how much gamers fuss and bitch and complain about some odd pixels being rendered in the corners of active scenes, and ray tracing, and dlss, and fsr, and framegen, and all this all bitching and moaning about 'visual quality' ......... why the FUCK are onboard audio solutions still complete CRAP?! and even "DAC" usb dongles are utter crap, and seemingly only good audio comes out of decade old soundblaster cards..... why are people not so fussy about audio?
they complain about visual pixels they wont see when actually playing a game, but they sit there with a stereo headset and think that 80s tech is still OK?!?!
i dont consider myself an audiophile, but dang .... maybe i am 😦
how old, and how small the SB-Z card is, i cannot imagine why onboard audio has not progressed over the last 20 years to be better
every new motherboard i get... i try out the onboard audio again to see ... and ... yup nope, tinny, flat, missing channels, sounds terrible ... sigh
night girder
You know what Frigid, to be safe I am disabling hardware acceleration for discord.
Who needs a smooth UI in discord anyway 😉
charred pewter
it has hardware accel?? LOL
night girder
charred pewter
it makes discord smoother 😄
night girder
it is genuinely helpful
not when it makes your PC crash 😅 (if that's a cause)
charred pewter
like a fine whskey
night girder
and I never asked for this:
charred pewter
no one did
rotund hamlet
not when it makes your PC crash 😅 (if that's a cause)
have you checked event monitor?
rotund hamlet
it should give a cause
night girder
"The system has rebooted without cleanly shutting down first. This error could be caused if the system stopped responding, crashed, or lost power unexpectedly."
tough owl
Have you seen what they did to discord on mobile
rotund hamlet
everything is connected properly?
charred pewter
no code ? no service ?
night girder
Only happens with GW2 and Discord.
charred pewter
Have you seen what they did to discord on mobile
i hear its pretty bad
edgy hazel
It's jarring
night girder
source is Kernel-Power ofc.
charred pewter
the whole "reply" icon is the worse offender to the desktop app changes
jagged snow
Have you seen what they did to discord on mobile
Yes
I've somehow avoided the update
edgy hazel
But it's better categorized on mobile now. It'll take me a bit to get used to it tho
night girder
everything is connected properly?
I'll figure it out. Now testing if it's full-screen / window full-screen that is causing the issue. And if it's discord hardware acceleration.
Can be that if Discord is using GPU for smoothness, that something goes wrong when GW2 is also using the GPU.
round mantle
hi. Someone now what to do when satisfactory is showing that my epic games account is not connected when it is?
rotund hamlet
i wonder if it's power overdraw related
edgy hazel
hi. Someone now what to do when satisfactory is showing that my epic games accou...
Congratulations. You're in the wrong channel!
jagged snow
Can be that if Discord is using GPU for smoothness, that something goes wrong wh...
I have had discord crash itself while other games are running
round mantle
ok ty
jagged snow
So wouldn't be surprised
night girder
i wonder if it's power overdraw related
Mhm, yeah me too. I tried monitoring the power usage and saw 300 watt sometimes, but my PSU should be able to handle it.
edgy hazel
Maybe you just have bad karma?
charred pewter
mmmmmm it knows you used to diss amd so much, now its taking it out on you
night girder
So wouldn't be surprised
Discord is slowly becoming more and more resource hungry 😛
edgy hazel
Do some good deeds. Maybe it'll get fixed that way
charred pewter
which is why im afraid to switch to amd 😄
night girder
All those stickers and little animations 😉
omg.
I can actually post them without paying.
edgy hazel
mmmmmm it knows you used to diss amd so much, now its taking it out on you
I think the only diss we really do was because of drivers which used to be shit
charred pewter
night girder
Not so sure about that.
edgy hazel
https://tenor.com/view/adam-scott-parks-and-rec-parks-and-recreation-ben-wyatt-h...
Yes
night girder
Played 3 games. 2/3 had is sues so far
edgy hazel
Yeah that's a you problem tho
night girder
Nvidia, played over more than 100 games. Cannot remember any issues like I had these few weeks 😛
How can that be? I am still the same person.
If it's a me problem. It would mean Nvidia is better since it's more dummy proof 😉
edgy hazel
Did you do DDU?
charred pewter
my 980ti was giving me grief last year .... it was slowly falling out of spec and i apparently needed to give it more volts to stay stable (at stock speeds)
edgy hazel
If it's a me problem. It would mean Nvidia is better since it's more dummy proof...
Do you use onedrive?
charred pewter
onedrive ... ugh
night girder
Do you use onedrive?
Delete that from the start 😄
charred pewter
hay, its better than icloud drive
night girder
and haven't done a DDU because I don't feel like that's it. Might be. But I did the set up off this PC over and over again to be sure I had a clean installation of my drivers.