off-topic-tech

[edgy hazel]

You just said that you want the antenna back

[night girder]

the screen is made to be anti scratch. So 0 scratches.

[edgy hazel]

That is even worse. At least with folding it becomes smaller

[night girder]

Sarcasm.

[charred pewter]

i can BARELY fit the samsung a10e (which is a small smart phone in its class) in my jeans pocket....

[night girder]

👆

[charred pewter]

and then i have to worry about the damned screen

if i could just ... flip it closed.....

[night girder]

Ok ok, follow me.

[tough owl]

I’d genuinely love a feature to use an external antenna for better cell reception

[night girder]

Phonemakers: let's make bigger phones. and bigger. and bigger. Every year.

X years later, Phonemakers: Oh noes. Now the phone no fit in pocket. Aha! Me smart. Let's make it foldable.

[charred pewter]

exactly

they get their big stupid screens, but in a smaller size so they are not 100% stupid

[tough owl]

Or make a mini phone

[night girder]

1. You create a problem over X years. 2. Then "sell" the consumer a solution, a.k.a. foldable for a problem artificial created?

[charred pewter]

if i could fold up an ipad in 4ths, and stick it in my pocket ... i would LOVE that 😄

[tough owl]

I can fit an iPad mini in my back pocket…..

[night girder]

Like a laptop? 🤔

[tough owl]

You sir need a netbook

[charred pewter]

pocket sized laptops ...

[night girder]

smartphones?

[tough owl]

Anything from GPD would suit you

[charred pewter]

im just waiting for the device that straps around your wrist, then just holographically projects the screen between your thumb and index finger when you raise your hand up 🤚

[night girder]

For real, tech industry is losing clarity between: Computers <> Smartphones <> Tablets <> Laptops.

[tough owl]

I do not want that

[tough owl]

Computers= laptops

[night girder]

Then so is a smartphone.

and a tablet.

[tough owl]

Exactly

[charred pewter]

and Apple wants to turn macOS into iOS ... blurring it even more

[night girder]

Like what is the difference anymore? They all do the same, more or less. They use more or less the same hardware (or are closing the gaps).

[tough owl]

Man I love The Cure

[charred pewter]

iphones have ray tracing now too 😄

[night girder]

Is it just size?

[tough owl]

Nvidia would like to have a word

[night girder]

But if it's just, does that mean if I buy a really big smartphone, it's actually a tablet? 😒

[tough owl]

No

Tablets don’t usually have cellular

[charred pewter]

soon tablets will have SIM cards and cell reception 😄

[night girder]

and if I buy a laptop that fits in my pocket I have a foldable smartphone?

[tough owl]

No

It has a physical keyboard

Modern Folding phones don’t

[night girder]

So if a laptop doesn't have a physical keyboard? Is it a tablet or a smartphone? A tablet because it doesn't have SIM?

[charred pewter]

thats something i wish apple would just 'do it already' ... is make all their macbook displays as touch screens in addition to the hardware keyboard/trackpad

[night girder]

You see how it looks to me? All nitpicking.

[tough owl]

What laptop doesn’t have a physical keyboard

also I suppose it depends on the OS afforded to the device

[edgy hazel]

But why do we need to label them anyways? If I need a small device to write emails and take calls I use a phone, if I need a big device to write emails and take calls I use a laptop

[night girder]

Apple laptop had no keyboard If image is real 🤣

[tough owl]

A real production one

[charred pewter]

personally, i cant type/function on a 'display based keyboard' ... i need keys to push with fingers instead

[tough owl]

Touch screen laptops are stupid too

[night girder]

Those are tablets?

[edgy hazel]

So you need a big device with keyboard to write emails and take calls

[tough owl]

They also have physical keyboards

They’re also foldable

Most of the time

[night girder]

😭

Fuck tablets. I hate them. And my phone is just a music player to me (for on the road).

[charred pewter]

many times when im using my laptop, as a laptop (no external keyboard/mouse) ... ive often wanted to just reach up and tap the screen to click on buttons/icons/files .... instead of fumble about with the stupid trackpad and cursor

[tough owl]

My phone is my gps too

[night girder]

I would ditch my phone if I could receive calls on my laptop. For real.

Just buy a good Canon camera to take photos. Buy a old paper map for navigation.

and I should be good? If people need me, call me on my laptop or email me.

[charred pewter]

i still need my phone for when im out of the house... like, to the grocery, store, errand.... not gonna drag my laptop with me to get calls 😄

[night girder]

But why do we have to be available 24/7 everywhere we go?

[tough owl]

Ah yea ima walk through the store with my laptop for my grocery list

[night girder]

I don't like that. I like to disconnect sometimes.

[charred pewter]

mmmmm old paper maps ...... honestly after being spoiled on my garmin for decades, i cant recall how it was using MAPS in the city

[night girder]

✏️ 📜

[tough owl]

In case someone dies or is in an emergency. At the very least I’d like to be able to respond in a timely fashion

[night girder]

This is how we did it in the old days 😉

[tough owl]

I can’t read my own handwriting sometimes

[night girder]

Sounds like a you problem haha 😄

[charred pewter]

i never answer my phone in the car, i rarely even answer it when im out on an errand. i just bring it in case I need to call someone or look something up

[night girder]

Also one you can fix 😄

[tough owl]

Yea exactly that ain’t who I wanna be

Only time yall won’t reach me is when im sleeping

I take that serious

[night girder]

I understand all of your points, I have them too. But I don't think those points are really that big of a deal. It's handy to have a phone. But we survived perfectly without it before.

[charred pewter]

im pretty terrible about the phone .... i hate getting calls 😄

[night girder]

Yes, it's cool you can look up a recipe while in the store.

Or you could do that beforehand?

[tough owl]

Whip out moms cook book at the store

[night girder]

yes, it's cool I get a phone call when my mom fell down the stairs.

But I rather just have it there is an ambulance helping her, then notifying me directly.

[charred pewter]

before i was 'forced' into a smartphone... i just had one of those flipphones (LG) .... i never used it when out, i only carried it 'in case of emergency'

it was nice

[night girder]

Or keep it basic. Spaghetti. Pizza. Fries. Eggs with Bacon.

[tough owl]

🤢

[night girder]

What's wrong, doesn't MacDonald love Italian cuisine?

[tough owl]

Not in America they don’t

[charred pewter]

who uses recipes, i just throw shit together when i cook ... drives my mother insane since she has to follow a recipe to the T, and im like ... eh, tos this in, stir that, boil this, fry ... and it comes out yummy and she is like "HOW?!?!"

[night girder]

Nobody in America love italians?

[night girder]

what about the Italian Americans then? 🤣

[night girder]

I use recipe if I make something new for first time.

[edgy hazel]

I don't get why people steal iPhones

[charred pewter]

but then, i dont 'bake' or do desserts... those need recipes cause they are FINICKEY

[night girder]

sell value? iphones are known for high resell value. higher than android.

[edgy hazel]

They're so useless once they're known as stolen by apple. Can't do shit with em

[charred pewter]

get your iphone stolen, expect harrasing texts and messages threatening your life and family to 'disable Find My' so they can wipe and reuse/sell it

until you disable Find My, the iphone is basically a brick they cant sell

[night girder]

Yeah, I avoid buying second hand iphones from certain cities in my country. Because I know the % of them being stolen is high.

[tough owl]

Ship em to china for parts

[night girder]

Kade, what ifone you have?

[tough owl]

15 pro max

[edgy hazel]

My condolences

[night girder]

ah, was thinking of 12. Second hand.

[tough owl]

It’s old

[charred pewter]

is that the one with the giant protruding gaggle of lenses on the back?

[night girder]

I know, so is my 6S

[tough owl]

Won’t get iOS for much longer

[night girder]

🤣

I don't care much about that. Just want a cheapo iPhone 😄

[edgy hazel]

You do know that the 12 will still get security updates for like 4-5 years?

[charred pewter]

i laughed at all the advertisements oogling the camera lenses on it, and i just sat 😆 my 💩 hole off at how stupid that looked

[night girder]

Sounds good enough to me 👍

[charred pewter]

i walked into apple "Can i get that without the lenses? thanks."

"no? oh, well, nevermind"

[night girder]

You mean this?

I know I won't convince anyone.

[edgy hazel]

Wtf is that

[night girder]

But ffs, stop buying smartphones to make pictures.

buy a decent camera.

[edgy hazel]

I'm not going to carry a dslr everywhere

[charred pewter]

no.... this ... LMAO

[night girder]

1000X better photos. Better controls. Better everything.

[edgy hazel]

Fits into my back pocket?

[night girder]

get a sling.

[edgy hazel]

Ah yes

No

[night girder]

Yeah, pay 1K for a phone with 50 camera's that still produce garbage images 🤣

[charred pewter]

it was the 13 pro ... that was the one i thought was absurd and they kept promoting the absurd part so much in their tv ads

[edgy hazel]

I don't think you understand

[night girder]

Nah, I get you.

You just want to take casual photos.

and not haul a big ass camera.

[edgy hazel]

I don't want to shoot professional photos. I need something that's quick, easy and looks good

[night girder]

But it hurts me soul for some reason 🤷‍♂️

Not that you want that. The fact the companies keep tricking people into buying phones by adding camera's 🤣

[charred pewter]

i can imagine the thickness and size of iphone 13 cases just to lift that sucker enough to safegaurd the cameras

[tough owl]

Just shoot raw ez

edit later

[night girder]

raw quality is dependend on camera.

raw will still be shit, if your lenses are shit.

[charred pewter]

wat, this is real ? i thought i was looking at a joke image

[tough owl]

yea

Apples M3 event was shot all on iPhone

[night girder]

you cannot magically improve a photos quality.

[tough owl]

Ai

[charred pewter]

tell adobe that

[night girder]

Even AI isn't good at it yet.

[charred pewter]

AI IS KING! ALL HAIL AI!

[night girder]

and after working 10 years with photoshop, I know how it works 😛

it doesn't add pixels.

It's all just neat tricks, but the pixels stay the same.

[charred pewter]

ok, side bar.... someone rates a game 1 star for this reason: "Supposed to be 64 bit compatible, but does not open full screen."

🤔

[night girder]

Trash review.

[charred pewter]

I smell an idiot.

[night girder]

Probably written out of frustration.

[charred pewter]

indeed ... like whats 64bit compatible got to do with full screen mode ?!

[night girder]

look up if the game anywhere notes it's 64-bit compatible.

because else they are talking out of their arse.

Iphone 12 64GB 350 euro (2nd hand)

But it's blue. Mhm. 🤔

[charred pewter]

its 64bit compatible yes... but nowhere does 64bit compatible mean a game will run full screen 😄

[edgy hazel]

Love this

Density of Döner Kebab shops in germany

[night girder]

The same I didn't give a negative review for HL, because the crash might as well be my fault. I did note that I had some crashes in my review.

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/döner-gif-11672316089507059316

[night girder]

In the end I might ahve fixed the crash, when I finished the game to 100% 😦

It was "view distance quality" that was put on Ultra. Reduced it to High and the crashes stopped.

[charred pewter]

but again, something like that has no bearing on if the game was 64bit compatible or not 😉

its like "game says it takes 1gb of space, but my windows 10 crashes when I open steam"

ie: complete nonsense review 😄

[night girder]

I like reading reviews.

[charred pewter]

so this new System Preferences panel in macOS13 is really easy to use and nice

😆

[night girder]

What you talking 13 about? We are at 14.

[charred pewter]

15 beta

14 was too short lived to even be a thing

[night girder]

I didn't install 14.

Looked at the features. Need/want 0 of them.

Screensavers? Airpods? Messages? That's what 14 did.

[charred pewter]

if 14 fixes all the blury folder icons in the finder... i would switch to it. but it doesnt

[night girder]

You got blurry folder icons?

[edgy hazel]

Yeah blurry folders is new

[night girder]

Mine are sharpy. That's weird.

[edgy hazel]

Mine are crayon.

[night girder]

I don't find any reports on this issue so far.

[charred pewter]

example ...

blury shit, and too much shadowing

the 10.15 icons were sublime, and sharp

and.... its even blury if i look at them on the high def laptop screen too .... (in native mode)

[cinder moon]

Today I learned my DRI_PRIME variable works backwards on my system.
Set to 0 for dedicated and 1 for integrated graphics.

[charred pewter]

almost to the point i wanna copy/paste a folder icon onto every single folder i have 😄

[jagged snow]

https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/5/23987817/beeper-mini-imessage-android-reverse-engineer

[tough owl]

Man I posted this

[jagged snow]

It's better coming from me 😉

[tough owl]

theres a python version

https://github.com/JJTech0130/pypush its built off

[maiden coyote]

Apple will probably issue him a dcma cease and desist because he circumvented their technolocks. Shitty law

[night girder]

Apple is going to activate RCS on iPhones for that.

www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/apple-agrees-to-turn-on-rcs-for-the-iphone/ar-AA1kSvCu

So they comply with regulations.

[maiden coyote]

It's loosely worded enough that it could probably go to trial. Not that I'm a lawyer. But the threat of legal action from well paid lawyers on someone with none is enough

[night girder]

RCS is going to be released in 2024. Problem solved.

Android and iPhone can communicate.

[maiden coyote]

Well good on them. It's only been however many years... now if Apple would let me bluetooth transfer to another device that'd be nice

[night girder]

No, good on the goverments breathing down the neck of tech companies forcing them to change so we can benefit from it.

Without regulation, I doubt they would have changed course.

[maiden coyote]

So you're saying apple had no choice, but they'll play it off as a new feature

[night girder]

That's what I pick up on the articles I've read so far.

[maiden coyote]

I think that's what they've done with usbc on their phones.. I personally didn't mind the lighting connector

[dire igloo]

good luck carrying that around in the pocket of your pants

[night girder]

Full article for interested: www.androidpolice.com/why-apple-decided-to-adopt-rcs-iphone/

[maiden coyote]

He just hates phone cameras lol

[charred pewter]

and foldable phones 😄

[jagged snow]

Physically, I actually prefer the tactile function and durability of lightning. In terms of charging and data transfer, usb-c is better

[night girder]

Kinda? More nuanced I believe, I hate phone makers, adding camera's, adding the price and then up the number of the model and pet themselves on the back. They have been doing this for ages.

[jagged snow]

My dslr does go with me most places

[night girder]

I am very happy with my 6S, it has one camera, I use it a lot to take pictures (more memories). But I don't need 3-5 camera's on my phone 😒

[dire igloo]

in the pocket of your pants?

[night girder]

Oh, it also has a face camera. Never used that.

[jagged snow]

The s22 camera is good enough that it'll do in a pinch if I don't have my dslr, but I really don't need a camera that nice on my phone

I'd rather have better battery life or something

[jagged snow]

In my car or in my camera bag

[night girder]

Yeah, I am also like that.

lenses for DSRL can be expensive though 😅

[dire igloo]

why not in your pockets? too bulky?

[jagged snow]

My phone is in the way

[jagged snow]

Yes

[dire igloo]

more pockets (my brain autopiloted and wanted to type "more pants")

[maiden coyote]

More cameras more better.

[night girder]

especially the L-line lenses from Canon. But such a nice quality oof.

[jagged snow]

I totally see your point, and don't disagree with the concept of having a convienient, small camera with me all the time

[jagged snow]

It's really nice, but I don't need to be trying to mimic professional quality with it

[maiden coyote]

It's kind of sickening that you've really obit got 3 phone makers, Apple, samsung, and google.

[jagged snow]

I shoot nikon, glass is even more expensive for their full frames

[night girder]

and Carl Zeiss!

[jagged snow]

I'm probably buying a zenphone for my next purchase

[night girder]

I was able to shoot with carl zeiss lens once at school.

[maiden coyote]

Nobody else can enter the market because if the camera on the phone isn't good, it'll flop

[jagged snow]

Oh that's pretty neat

[night girder]

Prime lens:

[maiden coyote]

I have the nikon 18-55 on my 5100. At 18 and 55 it performs like a $1200 glass

[night girder]

Oh, that's not even Carl Zeiss.

The Carl ones can be 150K.

[jagged snow]

There are only a few scenarios where it's really worth it

[night girder]

I am a big fan of prime lenses.

Less artifacts from the lens itself.

[jagged snow]

Nice glass from sigma or nikon can have a genuine benefit for most people

[jagged snow]

A high quality zoom can more or less eliminate that

[night girder]

True, but not fully 😉

[jagged snow]

I shoot primes for portraiture and astrophotography, but most other stuff is zoom for me

[maiden coyote]

This thing is amazing at 18... or 55

[night girder]

when fully zoomed out you have the barrel effect at the edges. (fish-lens effect, but waaaay reduced).

and when fully zoomed in, there was also some weird shenenigans. But you can revert that easily with a photoshop plugin.

[maiden coyote]

Anything else it goes soft and has abrasion. But it's damn near perfect at those two settings

[night girder]

photoshop picks up what lens you used at what length and diafragma and then automatically corrects it.

I think lightingroom could do this too. Probably most photo software now.

This one is my dream.

Because I've done too many music gigs with a 50mm 🤣 And you can zoom in... by walking forward. And zoom out ... by walking backwards. But it's hard when you are in the crowd.

[maiden coyote]

Can you still get / use multipliers with lenses?

F2.8 is pretty fast at 50mm what is it at 200?

[night girder]

Concerts are dark. So my 50mm was a 1.4F, I didn't use that ofc for obvious reasons. But yeah, you need a lens with a big diafragma so it can catch as much light and have a fast shutter speed and low ISO.

And the lens I posted is 2.8 all over.

[dusk rivet]

jesus lenses are expensive

[night girder]

That one is. If you have variable diafragma it's cheaper.

[maiden coyote]

https://www.amazon.com/Nikon-NIKKOR-Vibration-Reduction-Cameras/dp/B00B7O31B8/ref=asc_df_B00B7O31B8/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312148122212&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=8897474592573720197&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9025296&hvtargid=pla-566914207406&psc=1&mcid=9ba68564d0b23d0686aff2ff648839ff&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4q3ykvH4ggMVllNHAR1W_gODEAQYASABEgLyAfD_BwE

Ya think

[night girder]

And also cheaper glass.

[dusk rivet]

literally the price of a nice car

[night girder]

and smaller minimum diafragma F4.

[dire igloo]

I mean, he is a famous dude and his lenses would be 2000 years old, so it's completely understandable that they're expensive

[maiden coyote]

2.8 at 200mm damn that's nice glass

[night girder]

Exactly 😄 One can only dream.

[jagged snow]

@night girder if you're shooting concerts you should buy is lenses

Problem solved

[night girder]

is?

[jagged snow]

Image stabilization

[night girder]

Oh.

[jagged snow]

Oh?

It's like magic

3rd gen is systems will let you shoot 100mm handheld at 1/15 no problem

[night girder]

This one has image stabilization. But only F4.

And I am kinda a snob for canon L lenses 😛

just because it's their Luxery line with the best quality. Even the white is done on purpose: heat reflection.

And the reason I don't like F4 is for portraits, I prefer F2.8, you can get beautiful depth of fields with it.

[jagged snow]

Have you ever seen nikon dc lenses?

[night girder]

I used nikon, but honestly that's long a ago.

[jagged snow]

Yep
I shoot all my portraits on an 85mm prime at 1.8

[night girder]

Oof 😄

Sounds like a cool combination.

[jagged snow]

It's good untill I want to get multiple people in the shot and I'm 10m away

[night girder]

You know, that 70-200 would be a all rounder more or less. So I don't have to switch. I could go for prime, but don't want to switch lenses around in some places 😛

[jagged snow]

Nikon has an 18-200 that I've been looking at for a walk-around lens

[night girder]

I can relate, I have the same problem with 50mm. It's good quality images, fair price. But slightly less convenient sometimes.

[jagged snow]

www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/135mm-f2-dc.htm

DC lens ^

[night girder]

and I don't like 18mm 🤣 Always a bit, meh looking imo.

[jagged snow]

I rarely shoot below 28 unless I'm doing landscape stuff

[night girder]

Like I said, programs can fix the lens artifacts easily. But I rather still avoid it when possible.

Starting with a picture with a solid foundation is easier to work with in my experience.

I've seen students edit a single photo, for 4-6 hours straight. Didn't look like anything like the original. Had around 100 layers. A bit nuts. But the teachers loved the end result so yeah 🤷‍♂️

[edgy hazel]

Bro🤣 rumor mill has already started with the female protagonist of gta6

[night girder]

This one I took with the 50mm.

[jagged snow]

Very nice

[night girder]

1.4F

Beautifull lens, and only for 300 euro's back then.

[jagged snow]

What do you shoot on?

Kinda looks like 5d2 color

[night girder]

Exactly 😄

[jagged snow]

Oh nice

That's a fantastic camera

I just had a power outage with a big project open in gimp

None of it saved

[night girder]

oh no 😦

[tough owl]

I know someone who has one that size

[tough owl]

This you 😳

[night girder]

Nah a friend.

[jagged snow]

Speaking of lenses, there's a 70-300 vr for sale very close to me

Not a fast lens, but the vr compensates for that

[tough owl]

Im interested in getting a dslr but I have no idea where to start plus cash flow is limited

[jagged snow]

If you give me a budget I can give you a reccomendation

[tough owl]

tbh my 15pro max does enough

[jagged snow]

just got trolled

[tough owl]

id want a drone with a decent camera on it to get some sweet shots

[jagged snow]

Mavic air 2s

They go for about $500 pretty regularly

[tough owl]

$750 😬

[jagged snow]

If you get the non-s version it'll cut the price down to around 400

Beyond that, you'd want something from the mini lineup

The air line is enthusiast/borderline professional grade

[tough owl]

I was thinking the mini 2 SE

[edgy hazel]

I need a drone I can drop stuff with

[jagged snow]

That'll do a lot

[tough owl]

Matrice 350 RTK Worry-Free Basic Combo

[tough owl]

though i might want crash detection

[jagged snow]

Mini 3 pro has crash detection

I'm not sure if anything else in the mini lineup does

[tough owl]

500 is a bit too steep

[edgy hazel]

Cheap so it can get shot down

[tough owl]

diy it

[jagged snow]

The cheapest option with obstacle avoidance would be the air 2 at 400 used

[tough owl]

hmm

[jagged snow]

But that's only dji stuff

[tough owl]

I mean theyre only decent company to my knowledge that isnt crazy chinese stuff

[jagged snow]

There are a fair few other companies with similarly good products, they're just not as well-known

[tough owl]

I probably should save money for college

[jagged snow]

pfft

[tough owl]

also I think I need to register it and take a class or something

[jagged snow]

Depends on your area but probably

[tough owl]

I mean I could dm you the state im in and you might know

[jagged snow]

Sure 🤷‍♂️

[sharp oasis]

So I'm stuck without warranty

Would a Ark A770 be okay as a Gpu that's semi similar to the 6700XT

[tough owl]

if youre fine with arc drivers then sure

[sharp oasis]

I mean they are getting half decent lately

I could just but another 6700XT but none of the one I bought are available anymore

[jagged snow]

I can't belive you've killed a cpu & gpu in the last few months

[sharp oasis]

I didn't try to kill the gpu

I swear

It was not intentuonal

I was running a stress test

And it showed no signs of issue

Until it decided to completely cease

The cpu I killed was incompetence

This was sudden and have no explainable reason why it died at this moment

[night girder]

Jokes aside, it's kinda interesting what they are doing 😛

[tough owl]

Just like one more bro

[gilded helm]

Solar collider in our lifetime!

[night girder]

Was thinking this the whole time.

[gilded helm]

We'll just lay it down over the course of the year

[tough owl]

Just build a collider around the earth

[night girder]

no.

Don't spoil the view 🤣

[tough owl]

It’ll be big

[visual tree]

Hope we don't kill each other by the time future circular collider is finished

[night girder]

eh, we've made it so far

We have nuclear weapons, which we didn't have back then, so eh... might get tricky.

[visual tree]

I am more interested to see how stellarator (fusion reactor) testing goes

[night girder]

Funny enough, if humanity doesn't wipe us out, and global warming doesn't, there is like x amount of other threats.

[sand saddle]

I mean they just want one week's worth of the US defense budget

[edgy hazel]

cybertruck might be not allowed in europe

[night girder]

I mean, I had my doubts about safety and such and regulations.

I want more images for James. Still think this is dope.

[edgy hazel]

front of the car gotta be soft and crumple by regulation. Cybertruck is made out of stainless steel.

1+1=

[night girder]

haha 🤣

well, I don't think it was intended for EU anyway.

[visual tree]

I made a theorem I would like to call "asablic's theorem": the more company advertises, the worse it's products are

[edgy hazel]

true but loosing 15% of your preorders is a good move

[night girder]

doesn't Nvidia advertise a lot?

[visual tree]

Yeah. Heineken is a perfect example. Terrible beer but great sales because of ads

[night girder]

Can't believe people are actually preordering the cybertruck 😒

[visual tree]

I noticed conpanies that make bad products tend to compensate with advertising

[night girder]

I guess it's true in some cases

[visual tree]

Balenciaga is probably the best trolling attempt ever. It's a actually a social experiment to test how dumb people actually are

[night girder]

never heard of Balenciaga

[visual tree]

They made a purse that looks like lays potato chips bag and are selling it for $1800

There are many other crazy products

They could make worn-out socks with holes, sell them for $500 and people would still buy them because of brand

[night girder]

this is such a rich person move, running around with a shitty potato bag and let the world know you paid 1800 for it

[sharp oasis]

Can it play satisfactory no it cant

[visual tree]

Imagine programming with punch cards

[sharp oasis]

Well now I can diagnose my gpu

Bc I have a display out

[gilded helm]

Looking through Tesla owners groups is hilarious. The cope on the Cybertruck from fans is just nuts, especially the ones who are clearly never going to buy one, or are never going to truly "use" a truck.

[soft bloom]

How to know what does the smartphone consists of?
let's smash them together at high speeds and analyze the debree
hopefully, after a gazilion of iteration will find a whole apple silicon (buys only android phones)

[edgy hazel]

Am I having a stroke?

[gilded helm]

Are you listening to a coxswain?

[edgy hazel]

hold on I gotta google something

I hate you

[night girder]

I don't know. The thing looks ugly.

But maybe it's just too different for me to like it.

[gilded helm]

The people I know looking to buy a vehicle to beat it to hell and back tend to buy cheap knowing they'll need to replace it anyway. Some sort of premium vehicle in that segment is weird.

$60k Cybertruck apparently not even coming until 2025.

[night girder]

herg said EU probably wont allow it.

so hopefully not my problem 😄

Like atleast the Tesla S is decent looking.

Why couldn't they go for a design like that, but then just higher.

[gilded helm]

There are a lot of things that Tesla does really well, but then they throw in headscratching gimmicks.

[edgy hazel]

please put more TVs in the front of the car

[jagged snow]

I think it was for the publicitthw design is hugely polarizing, but it's actually dont a lot for brand recognition

[edgy hazel]

we don't need to look at the road when we can play angry birds

[night girder]

eh, we got AR in cars already. In the glass.

[edgy hazel]

but you're at least looking into the direction of the road

[gilded helm]

Apparently Elon wants 250k Cybertrucks per year in 2025. But I don't know who's going to buy them. The F150, Silverado, Tundra, etc. brands are really entrenched in the USA.

[night girder]

yeah sure, but I mean. I was thinking about it while driving. The law in our country says, we can't handle a electronic device while driving, but what about the board computer? 🤔

In a Tesla you manage everything with that big iPad I think in the middle?

[edgy hazel]

jusp. Nothing physical so you gotta look down

[night girder]

weird, so technically, they can pull you over for changing the heat. Atleast in Belgium.

[edgy hazel]

they should

[night girder]

It also depends on how long you look imo.

[dire igloo]

did you see the crashtest? the crunch zone is made of flesh and bones

I doubt that thing will even be street legal in most of Europe

[edgy hazel]

it won't

[edgy hazel]

^^

[night girder]

let me look it up

[edgy hazel]

https://twitter.com/AIDRIVR/status/1730329405568995335

yeah this shit won't be legal

[night girder]

I mean, the airbags go off 🤣

[edgy hazel]

there is no crumple zone

[night girder]

there is a tiny one.

but like, so tiny it doesn't even matter.

[dire igloo]

look at the child in the bag

also, let's not talk about the fact that whatever you collide with will die

[night girder]

they dead.

I mean, it's like crashing with a tank 🤷‍♂️

Only the cybertruck is not sturdy enough to be a tank.

and not flexible enough to be a safe vehicle.

[edgy hazel]

me flying out my cybertruck after getting into a crash (I was going 20 mph)

[dire igloo]

nope, thick ass glass

[edgy hazel]

true

[dire igloo]

gonna break your neck on the windshield

[night girder]

So it is worth 60K!

[dire igloo]

or get it snapped by the seatbelt

[edgy hazel]

btw

[gilded helm]

$80k unless you wait to 2025. Which in Elon time might mean 2026.

[night girder]

what if you make your own custom seat? And add extra seatbelts? 😛

[edgy hazel]

if you wanna know what happens to your spine

[night girder]

rofl 🤣

[edgy hazel]

breaking a rear axle after doing a frontal crash at 35mph is crazy

[night girder]

quality 👌

[dire igloo]

that's standard in-city driving speed for Europe, no?

[edgy hazel]

it's ~50kmh/h

[night girder]

we don't do miles

[dire igloo]

yeah, equates to around 50 km/h

[night girder]

yeah, for some countries.

In the Netherlands it can be 60 or 80

they have all sorts of crazy numbers there.

and then between certain hours, you can only drive 100 on the highway. Else 130.

[dire igloo]

once you enter a city in Germany (pass the Orteingangsschild), it's 50 km/h

[night girder]

Here it's 30 km/h for cities.

and most cities are banning cars.

[night girder]

What the hell is a Orteingangsschild, schild is shield. gang is passage?

[edgy hazel]

just so you know, this is a golf after 50kmh

[dire igloo]

yeah, 30 is also common in German cities

[edgy hazel]

see how the back is still intact?

[night girder]

yeah. But the frontal damage is the same.

damaged all the way up the front tire.

[dire igloo]

Ort = place (in this case, city/village/whatever)
eingang = entrance
schild = sign

[edgy hazel]

https://youtu.be/7RAWDI4rIuY?si=543E7ESKDjvLpp9s&t=71

[night girder]

Oh, that makes much more sense.

[edgy hazel]

timestamped

see how it also doesn't fly into the air?

[night girder]

Also, in the cybertruck picture, what is that blue stuff? water?

I think it jumped upward because the back was already broken and it couldn't bounce back. So the energy goes up.

[edgy hazel]

also there isn't much infront of the ct

[night girder]

And yeah, the golf clearly just rolls back.

[night girder]

I know, isn't that great haha 🤣

[edgy hazel]

hitting a lamppost is damage up until the front tire

[night girder]

So this means the engine is behind the tires?

there is no room for it to be in front of it 🤷‍♂️

[edgy hazel]

it's in the drivers stomach

[night girder]

or is it in the back?

[night girder]

Wtf is this 🤣

[edgy hazel]

an NFT probably

[night girder]

It looks weird.

[gilded helm]

For some reason I'm reminded of GN's Alienware teardown video, where Steve commented that there was some very clever engineering to do really stupid things. I bet the same thing is going on her, people were given directives based on Elon's whims.

[dire igloo]

honestly, I'm still waiting for some prepper to mount a browning onto that thing

[night girder]

for sure

[dire igloo]

probably with solar panel on the roof for infinite range

[night girder]

i wonder if it can even manage rough terrain

or a) get stuck - b) fall apart

this is their "rough" terrain test? 🤔

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEPY4q-Dtlk

[wanton orchid]

off road testing .. on a road
with a camera-man that can't handle the cam.. phone
with post recording lowered encoding quality

[night girder]

exactly

[wanton orchid]

with curiously the car body very high

[edgy hazel]

It's such a dumb car

Yes cool the production quality is shit, but the whole concept is so abnormally dumb. Why do you need a bulletproof car made out of stainless steel?

[night girder]

I don't see any nonsense.

[edgy hazel]

Imagine burning to a crisp because the emergency service can't cut you out of it

[night girder]

we're just shitting on the cybertruck 🤷‍♂️

that's not nonsense. It's facts.

Plus have you seen the picture I posted? It's compatible for outdoors camping!

🤫

What do you think of this?

[edgy hazel]

I hate this company

what are they called again?

[night girder]

Because the owner is corrupt?

[night girder]

Polestar

[edgy hazel]

nah because they have a super "luxurious" and rich looking shop right infront of a homeless shelter in frankfurt

[night girder]

And I was more curious about the design of the car. Than the company behind it.

I rather buy a polestar than a cybertruck.

[dire igloo]

I would love to see a few more dumbass billionaires like Elon competing in a public duel about who can do the dumbest shit with their money

or we do what Nico Semsrott suggested in EU parliament: make a reality TV show with a bunch of billionaires, every billionaire has to compete for a favorable public opinion - cuz at the end of the show, the least popular candidate gets disowned

[midnight osprey]

You guys hear about Uber charging people more simply because their phone battery is low?

Scummy mofos

Or charging Mac users more

[night girder]

did you hear that after 2025, users of windows 10 can keep receiving updates if they pay windows?

[midnight osprey]

Pay for updates?

[edgy hazel]

hasn't that been the case with every windows version?

[night girder]

Yes after 2025 updates are discontinued. Unless you pay

[night girder]

It has been the case for companies.

But now everyone can.

[edgy hazel]

yes and users usually didn't get any updates after

[midnight osprey]

Even better reason to turn updates off

Maybe the best reason yet

[night girder]

The shitty thing is, people say: buy W11. But then you need the hardware to support it.

[edgy hazel]

just rufus it

[night girder]

Darn it.

[midnight osprey]

lol

[night girder]

techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/plan-for-windows-10-eos-with-windows-11-windows-365-and-esu/ba-p/4000414

[midnight osprey]

Stupid rule

Coffee Stain are over protective.

[night girder]

Like the Windows 7 ESU program, your organization will be able to purchase a yearly subscription to security updates. The yearly commitment is renewable for three years. Devices enrolled in ESUs will receive monthly security updates to keep these Windows 10 PCs secure.

[midnight osprey]

Imagine having to pay for a dev to fix their own fucking bugs and exploits?!?!?!?

Narcissism right there

[night girder]

Windows 7 program costed 280 dollar for 3 years.

[edgy hazel]

y'all acting like this is a new and outrageous thing there is much worse to be mad about that EOL support

[midnight osprey]

New to me.

[edgy hazel]

about 3/4 of the license iirc

[night girder]

The ESU program provides individual consumers and organizations of all sizes with the option to extend the use of Windows 10 PCs past the end of support date in a more secure manner.

The consumer part is new.

[edgy hazel]

yeah. Consumers didn't get any support after the EOL

[midnight osprey]

I’ve been thinking about switching to Linux, maybe even Mac OS.

[night girder]

So users either have to pay for updates, or buy W11 and maybe upgrade their hardware 😒

W10 wasn't hardware locked.

Just a shitty situation to put consumers in. If you going to keep updating anyway, why ask money for it?

[night girder]

Eh, I would say, try Linux?

[edgy hazel]

this is just old drama cooked up again 🙄

[night girder]

how can it be old

[edgy hazel]

it's the same "uuuhhh now you need a security chip" drama that happened when win11 got release

[night girder]

I mean, it sucks.

I didn't like it. I eventually bought a new PC and have W11 installed. Still, the hardware lock is weird.

[edgy hazel]

It does but it also serves a purpose.

Especially when everyone and their mom is keeping all their financial shit on their PC

[night girder]

I've read somewhere most PC's still have W10 installed. So they are vulnerable already. Doubt they know they have to upgrade their hardware.

[edgy hazel]

Yes MS should have enforced it way sooner

[night girder]

eventually stuff breaks down and they have to ... but casual users don't know. Like my mom.

She doesn't know anything about W11 and wont buy a new laptop 🤷‍♂️

I hope they communicate it properly to the users.

[gilded helm]

AI is the next hardware "need"

[edgy hazel]

But I assume defender will still get updates since it uses the same database

[gilded helm]

The security chip is probably pointless, until you go all the way and lockdown the whole platform like an iPhone, people will click through every warning in the end.

[edgy hazel]

Nah that's all cloud. Gotta farm data somehow

[night girder]

Some do say that.

[gilded helm]

No, they'll use your hardware locally for all its worth on top of data mining. Cuts their costs and makes them more money. 😛

[edgy hazel]

Also consumer is just one side. On the other you have businesses that need their data protected

[night girder]

never heard of companies that are cheapskates?

[edgy hazel]

That's why you have inspiron

Anyways herg go sleep to be a productive member of society tomorrow

[wanton orchid]

the "security chip" have almost nothing to do with security unless you enable full storage encryption (windows bitlocker for instance)
and then it is just mid security (but it's nice to have especially for consumer users)

[edgy hazel]

Wanna see you rip data off a fully encrypted drive

Anyways ⚰️time

[wanton orchid]

the security we are talking about are way more useful for secure token sessions (tracking, in a good way)
but can also be : tracking in a bad way
unless you do full storage encryption

[wanton orchid]

just boot the fucking machine

[night girder]

The data is only encrypted when attacked from the outside. Once hackers get in your system, the files are decrypted.

[wanton orchid]

it's useful against storage copy/stealer

but it's not usefull against physical machine access

[jagged snow]

Unless you have very good security on your os

[wanton orchid]

there is no such thing

[night girder]

that's why you need layers of security.

[night girder]

You can always reduce the chance.

[wanton orchid]

yes, but there is no "unless" it's just better

[jagged snow]

Yubikey + physical password 👍

[gilded helm]

Honestly, I'm rarely interested in security issues relating to physical access. At that point, you're screwed, period.

[jagged snow]

And if there's ever data you're really protective of, encrypt it within windows using a unique password

[night girder]

doesn't even have to be physical.

[wanton orchid]

that's what I said

[gilded helm]

Ongoing network access counts I suppose

[night girder]

there are ways to get access from a network to encrypted data.

[gilded helm]

Probably the only physical security risk that scares me is people looking to fry my machine just to be malicious, or steal it and sell it.

[jagged snow]

Especially with a desktop that stays in my house, I'm more worried about damage & data loss than physical vectors of attack for data theft

[wanton orchid]

secure boot is to protects against remote malwares
and TPM is to protect against side replicated data/sessions attacks

like copying the disk, and analysing it later

[gilded helm]

Things which have no relevance to me because I don't work for a defense contractor.

[wanton orchid]

that is not enough for a defense contractor

or your defense contractor is a dumbass

that is nice for consumer or prosumer

[jagged snow]

Tbh the only true security is airgapped in a protected location

[wanton orchid]

because it's too easy to copy disks and sessions and overwrite booting otherwise

TPM and secure boot does nothing again pc physical attacks

[night girder]

I don't know I am pretty sure I heard somewhere it can still be accessed.

[wanton orchid]

it just protects against remote access and copies

[night girder]

You wouldn't believe how creative hackers are.

[wanton orchid]

that means nothing unless you give context of what you are talking about exactly

[night girder]

How can you believe that Bitlocker is perfect secure to attacks from the outside. I am not a hacker. But I'm pretty sure there are some videos out there that show you how.

[wanton orchid]

what are you calling perfect secure ?
who talked about perfect secure here ?

[night girder]

Well you implying it cannot be accessed from the outside made me assume you think it's perfect.

[wanton orchid]

I didnt said it can't be accessed from outside
I said it can't be accessed from copy of the storage

now some "smart" people will tell you you can reconstruct the data with external elements, but then you didnt access it, you just workaround it with way heavier means that it would basically be stupid to try that with that kind of budget

I mean there are easier way than working on a copy when you have the budget to get the original machine with the user

welcome to security

perfect security is when it is hard enough people will not invest in hacking it

[night girder]

perfect doesn't exist.

[wanton orchid]

ideal does not exist

perfect exist

[night girder]

not in security.

[wanton orchid]

^

[night girder]

not in software either.

that's not the definition of perfect.

it just means good

[wanton orchid]

the definition people usually have about perfect is ideal
perfect is not ideal

[night girder]

but I agree, good security is to make it hard enough to keep hackers away.

[night girder]

my definition of perfect, is not ideal. It's perfect. It's a word. 🤣

I mean literally, perfect doesn't exist. There is always a way to get in. A perfect secure system to me means this: impenetrable

[wanton orchid]

the thing is perfect exists but you dont get it when you want it

[wanton orchid]

"impenetrable" is an idea

not a real thing

[jagged snow]

That's not the actual definition of perfect. Perfect means there is no actual or theoretical way it could be improved.

[wanton orchid]

and that can actually happen to be real
and not in an ideal way

[jagged snow]

Example?

[wanton orchid]

it sure is always possible to improve shit

but mostly because shit is the standard

and then people say they want ideal thing

because you would want it better does not means it makes sense

[night girder]

" Perfect means there is no actual or theoretical way it could be improved."

[wanton orchid]

yes

[night girder]

So no system is perfect. 🤷‍♂️

[wanton orchid]

some are but it's very complicated to find and demonstrate

[night girder]

and especially bitlocker

but it's better than nothing 🤷‍♂️

[wanton orchid]

most commonly people learns things was quite perfect too late, after they "improved it" but it actually made no sense and it actually end up worse

[night girder]

I just want to be realistic here.

[wanton orchid]

and realistically lot of things could have and should be improved

[night girder]

I can't think of any. A lot of systems in nature even have flaws.

[wanton orchid]

but some are just what makes most sense at all

[night girder]

Oh, I see what you are reffering too 🤣

According to Plato, his Theory of Forms states perfection only lives in the realm of thought. There only exists one of every ideal and the rest is just a copy.

[wanton orchid]

I dont connect the two sentences

[night girder]

But he is saying the same thing as: it's a fact that perfection can't be achieved.

[night girder]

You were referring to an "ideal" before.

[wanton orchid]

because that sentences basically mix perfect with ideal

and remember it's translations

[night girder]

👆

[wanton orchid]

yep

most what people call perfect are just their ideal

[night girder]

👆

You are saying the same shit as Plato.

Anyway, I gotta finish watching this "amazing" movie.

[wanton orchid]

I feel like I'm not saying the same thing

but it could be true that the notions are close to each others

what I say is that perfection exist but you can't thought of it until reality hit you with it
but you need to stay humble
all what you think is ideal by nature

[night girder]

I am humble, all I am saying no system is perfect. 🤷‍♂️

[wanton orchid]

so my definition is, perfection can exist, but you can't think of it

what you think of it is just ideal

so you can make things get close to it, and prove it

[night girder]

Hey you know how this works. You show me proof. And I look into it with an open mind.

but aslong there is no proof, I aint buying it. I believe in science.

[wanton orchid]

it's very hard to explain example, mostly because meanings and matters
if we are talking about it, then it's probably beacause there is something to do better about it
so for sure perfect things we almost never talk about it

[wanton orchid]

what I'm talking about is very tightly linked to science itself
if you think that everything is only a matter of thought, then you can say nothing can be made so it is technically perfect
because it would only be a matter of thought
what I say is to be humble, some things may be perfect, you just will mostly dont know about it

things have limits

you always do with limits

and that's very part of science

[night girder]

You like our solar system drifting apart?

Or the sun about to die. Eventually.

[wanton orchid]

there is nothing to say about it

[night girder]

I don't know. Maybe there is, but we haven't found it.

and like I said. Science states: we need proof.

[wanton orchid]

exactly

[sharp oasis]

Bro. Shit doesn't load on my pc no more nwo that I'm limited to a GT210

Like bare bones operations are kinda hard now.

[wanton orchid]

lets say "a perfect 1 mm3 cube of most common iron in ambient temperature and pressure" we now can do it perfectly

if you say "its not perfect because there are edge atoms" then you are just a pitty, because we said "iron" and "iron" have these atoms in its definition
doing "better" is contradiction

now the same kind of stuff can be applied to concepts, and then to mechanisms

[night girder]

you have a very narrow view of perfect

[wanton orchid]

but it quickly become very hard to demonstrate

the "wide" perfect is only ideal

[night girder]

your iron cube may look perfect. But it's by no means perfect.

[wanton orchid]

we are not talking about looking here, we are talking about definition of it

[dire igloo]

the great thing about science, that I feel like too many people disregard:
There's three states for a theory to be in. Proven true, proven false and "we don't know".
If you prove a proof is wrong, it doesn't go to the opposite - it goes back to "we don't know"

[wanton orchid]

again you drift away science by saying everything is only a matter of how we look at it
: no
everything is, and get humble at how you look at it
but how you look at it does not define the very science of it

[night girder]

Yeah, I realized that.

but I just feel like we got different definitions of perfect.

I mean perfect is perfect. "Being entirely without fault or defect"

[wanton orchid]

we never see things perfects, but perfects may things be
we just could not know completly

[night girder]

Adn everything has faults / defects.

[wanton orchid]

until very narrow things

[night girder]

The iron cube can still be destroyed.

[wanton orchid]

that's only you calling it faults

[night girder]

If it was perfect, it wouldn't.

[wanton orchid]

calling it faults that's not science

you are juging abritrary part of your world like a small god

[night girder]

Nah, I am just debating the definition of the word perfect 🤣

[wanton orchid]

science is about you can't say it's fault until very defined goal context and people wanting to build the thing

[dire igloo]

what's the definition of "fault or defect"?

[wanton orchid]

you still talked about what you can idealise yet

[night girder]

Stephen Hawkings: “One of the basic rules of the universe is that nothing is perfect. Perfection simply doesn't exist.....Without imperfection, neither you nor I would exist”

[dire igloo]

if the cube is not meant to withstand destruction and therefore functions perfectly as it intended, is it without a fault?

or is it still faulty because it can not withstand destruction?

[wanton orchid]

and that sentence is a paradox, because it is definining perfection as being that thing that can't exist

[night girder]

You two believe what you want, but I am teaming up with Stephen on this one.

[wanton orchid]

I'm teaming with whoever understood that making things actually better, is not just following our ideas about it, but really studying the "world's inherent perfection"

because otherwise then you can just drive yourself nut in your head while fucking everyone down here

because you coudl define whats better all you want for yourself
but that does not work in reality

and then you'll cry people pushed to go to wars against you trying to "make it better"

everyone could become such evil
unfortunately the humain brain seems a bit poorly wired on that side
and it's too easy to loose graps

society will only get better when these "flaws" will get taken into account

and billions people will stop following only one person's will

[wanton orchid]

you mean a bit slow or compeltly chunky ?

could be driver issues Idk, you dont need that much gpu for browsing for instance

only video in 4k may get slow depending on your cpu

[sharp oasis]

I can't browse properly. And drivers cannot be loaded

[wanton orchid]

wdym they can not be loaded ?

[sharp oasis]

Security issuse and even after turning off all the security it still won't load the drivers

[wanton orchid]

what
what security issues
you are running windows ?

[sharp oasis]

Yeah

Windows dislikes the 210s drivers

[wanton orchid]

latest official driver is 2016

[jagged snow]

Just use windows default drivers

[wanton orchid]

https://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/112596/

[wanton orchid]

that's what they are using otherwise there would be no screen

tbh almost 2017 windows 10 64bit release is nice for that old hardware

[sharp oasis]

It's using Microsoft basic display adapter

It's unable to utilize the actual driver

Bc win 11 and old driver doesn't work well

[winged valley]

Theres a security feature in core isolation or whatever that you can disable

Which might make the driver work again

Of course, thats also disabling a security feature

[jagged snow]

Experiment: I have some relatives that haven't touched a desktop computer newer than 2002(at all, literally nothing). They're looking to get something new, and I might set them up with an easy to use Linux distro and see how they handle it since they're coming in fresh

[languid gulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUT4d5IVY0A

[edgy hazel]

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-confirms-windows-bug-renames-printers-to-hp-laserjet-m101-m106/ huh

Embed fail

[twin dew]

All wheel steering on it AFAIK.
So rear wheels can be steered too.

[edgy hazel]

That is not that

[sharp oasis]

Mem integrity is off and it refuses to use the driver anyway

[winged valley]

Is this GPU like PCI or something

I've had some pretty ancient PCIe cards work with win11 just fine

Yeah back in the days of PCI direct hardware access was the standard for drivers

Win11 effectively runs in a hypervisor/sandbox nothing can directly access hardware from what I remember

[twin dew]

Also, the cybertruck wouldn't be allowed in EU AFAIK because it has full steer-by-wire, no physical linkage from steering wheel to front wheels.

[winged valley]

Oof yeah thats bad

[twin dew]

Steering and brakes need to have manual backup in here.

[winged valley]

Manual backup is absolutely needed

[twin dew]

But Toyota (and the Lexus "subbrand" have already done the same it seems.

Ah, that was just concept vehicle?

[sharp oasis]

No fucking way wtf

[sharp oasis]

Pcie

[twin dew]

The ranking is like that in multiple games.
The 5800X3D is gaming monster.

[winged valley]

Okay now make a cpu with 1GB of L1

No balls

[twin dew]

Cache size and latency are inversely correlated.

The L1 sizes are limited by the need of very low latency.

[winged valley]

I thought it was phsyical location

Make a low latency 8Gb micro package for L1 cahce

EZ maybe in like 20 years

[twin dew]

Not directly.
Larger the cache, more intermediate transistors in accessing all the locations.
Which needs more time for the data to go through.

[winged valley]

So then the solution would be more low capacity cores with individual L1 caches

Small caches that is

[twin dew]

So L0 is tiny, L1 is small, L2 is moderate, L3 is large.
But the latency goes up significantly in each step.

[twin dew]

Doesn't help.
L0, L1 and L2 caches are private on most current cores.

Already.

[winged valley]

I have not heard of L0 cache, i'm guessing its so small its not worth putting on a spec sheet?

[twin dew]

L0i and L0d, the lowest level separate instruction and data caches that are considered to be part of the actual core, unlike even the private caches.

[winged valley]

What is generally stored there then since its so small?

I have a couple ideas but you seem like you'd know

[twin dew]

The immediate data you are using.
Outside of registers.
With 1 cycle latency (so you get the asked data next cycle already, so no latency)

So it isn't cache in same way as the others, but part of the buffering for the CPU functionality.

[winged valley]

Oh so its basically just instruction queue

[twin dew]

For the L0i.
Used to actually feed the instruction decode.

But it isn't really talked about outside of core internals deep dives.

[winged valley]

And instruction decode is the resulting binary after decoding the assembly I'm assuming? Is the encoding/decoding done per core?

[winged valley]

This is a fascinating topic to me and I will probably look more into it once I EVENTUALLY learn x86 assembly

[twin dew]

Even the Zen 4 deep dive on chipsandcheese.com doesn't mention the L0.
But AMD does consider it exists, as I have been getting L0 Cache ECC faults when using too large Curve Optimizer offset.

OK, the second part about memory subsystem mentions it as having gotten changes from Zen1+ to Zen2.
No real details.

Wikichip for Zen 4:

L0 Op Cache:
Up to 6,912 Ops per core, 12-way set associative
9 Op line size (restrictions apply depending on instruction type)
Parity protected

Not sure if right and L0 and Micro-Op cache are same thing or not.

Would fit.

[edgy hazel]

I just found something beautiful

What song is this

Protect your privacy babe and don't censor on your phone

[twin dew]

And seems I was wrong, EU has created regulations for Steer-By-Wire systems lately?

US didn't have laws requiring mechanical steering based on what I can find.

In the first place, it was just expected.

There have been third party steer-by-wire mods in US since early 2000?

Again the US regulations being patches on patches on patches of reactionary rules.

For example when US mandated driving lights, they mandated everyone to use one of few standardized models.
Europe made regulations for what the effect of the lights can be, and let car makers do whatever they wanted that filled the requirements.

And then those same few standard models were used for AGES in US, until they finally rewrote the regulations to be sane.

[sharp oasis]

I am laughing my ass off atm wtf.

Intel is really seething hard

When they are being beat by not only the 7800X3D for two Gens but also the 5800X3D?

[languid gulch]

probably forced by the board. they'd rather look like raging idiots & sore losers than tuck their tail between their legs

[twin dew]

And that AMD laptop CPU numbering scheme is the first one in ages where you actually can see the core used without checking internet exact spec databases...

Last time before was before rebrands really existed, long, long, long time ago.

That the two first numbers are basically meaningless are requirement from laptop OEMs

Who have been the reason for all the rebrands anyways.

AMD isn't in position to say No to those demands yet.
So they made new numbering scheme that fills the OEMs demands for "new" releases each year, and still give the knowledgeable way to see what is what.

Without having to check each exact model on some database.

[edgy hazel]

Props to Dell for making a metal laptop chassis that still feels extremely cheap

[dire igloo]

Eh, GN managed to find one of the many titles that scale super well with extra cache.
Other ones in this list are Baldur's Gate 3, MSFS, Factorio, Satisfactory and whatever is the most recent Forza Horizon release (probably the older ones too).

I expect Intel to also spam cache for their next generation of CPUs

[twin dew]

Yes, L4 cache is coming to Meteor Lake.
Mostly for the IGP usage as designed in the current mobile chips.
But will see how it affect CPU side.

[urban tulip]

amd needs better single thread performance to truly beat intel

[twin dew]

Single-thread is there, Infinity Fabric and RAM are more the problem.
Problem feeding the CPU if the code is "bad" and cache-trashes.
Which is why the X3Ds make so huge impact in some things.

[urban tulip]

x3d can also run out

and ive seen some games straight ignore cache

like yes amd has ipc but they cant reach that 6ghz clock

but maybe zen 6 changing layout will make it much better

so far seems like they cant increase l3 size anymore either

[twin dew]

Point why the V-cache doesn't help with most number crunching software, as the code has been optimized properly in terms of memory access patterns to not cache trash.
And many games exhibit major improvements.

[urban tulip]

most numer crunching software probably doesnt need access to massive arrays of different kinds of data on each cycle

[twin dew]

The exact access pattern can make 20+x difference in cases.
Where one keeps the "hot" data in cache, and another has cache trashing even for the hot data.

[night girder]

23.12.1 - December 5th, 2023 - AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition 23.12.1 Release Notes | AMD
VK_KHR_maintenance5
VK_EXT_frame_boundary
VK_EXT_nested_command_buffer

AI and Machine Learning
DirectML improvements and optimizations for Topaz AI and DaVinci Resolve on AMD Radeon RX 600M, 700M, 6000, and 7000 series graphics.

sad trumpet

[edgy hazel]

@dire igloo leberkässemmel time

Also DnD just had a major breakthrough

Carbonated healing potions

[dire igloo]

Don't tell me that while I'm grocery shopping on an empty stomach

Made me run through the store

[dire igloo]

Nice, now imagine this with a Bügelverschluss (flip top)

[tough owl]

germans be like

[jagged snow]

Germans be making me hungry and its 5 am

[tough owl]

central time zone be like

[dire igloo]

Oh god, I'd hate to have a centralized time for everyone in the world

"Can you call me at 17:00?" - "nope, I'm asleep then, how about 14:00?" - "no, sorry. Breakfast with my family. 03:00?" etc

You have no idea what any time means for a person

[edgy hazel]

You want it

[jagged snow]

I think the best we'll get is people knowing their utc offset

Which is a pretty good system...
If you're utc +2 and I'm in utc -4 it's pretty easy to translate

[dire igloo]

Ugh, at least get a Vollkornbrötchen

[dire igloo]

IMO every public international announcement should involve either UTC or UTC shift for one of the dates

[edgy hazel]

Heretic

[charred pewter]

do they finally make any earbuds that mimic 3d positional audio (5.1)

[rotund hamlet]

how would you suggest "they" do that?

[jagged snow]

Same way they do it with over-ears

Which is already possible, using wss or similar

It's just not anywhere near as effective as a true surround setup

[charred pewter]

right.... see, ears just have the one hole, its how the audio bounces into it, and also the same audio bouncing into the other ear, that our brains determine 'where did it come from' ....

so in theory, they should be able to programatically mimic this behavior out of various small audio speakers in the canal

[twin dew]

Phase and volume differences mostly.

So only needs software.
Just that the solution needs to be somewhat calibrated to each individual.
With on-ear headphones works pretty well even without calibration.

[jagged snow]

That's why wss exists

[charred pewter]

while earbuds wouldnt be able to produce the "through the head matter" audio subtleties that real 5.1 speakers would produce.... they could get close enough to where you still feel like the sound came from a certain direction

[twin dew]

Even most of the "7.1" headphones just do it on software.

[charred pewter]

yeah

[twin dew]

There were some outliers that actually had multiple speakers per ear, but those were worse than just software.

[charred pewter]

not only where they HEAVY ..... lol

headphones (with straps over head) have always been painful for me to wear for some reason

even my padded puffy studio headphones ... hurt after like an hour

but i absolutely love my 5.1 speakers when playing games, because so many times i'll hear something and be able to turn/flick directly towards the source (and shoot it!) ...

just didnt know where the tech was yet/still with headphones/earbuds

[twin dew]

The calibration part for "perfect" solution is because everyones ear canals are little different, that causes the phase & volume changes to be individual to some degree.
So same playback will seem to come from little different direction or just not even work depending on person, with the same headphones.

[charred pewter]

🤔 hmmm ....

[twin dew]

But mostly it just works.

[charred pewter]

something that i wonder if they could allow 'tuning' sliders in a system panel or something

"move this slider till this sound seems like its back-left"

i know my creative audio panel has multiple adjustments so i can make my 2 rear speakers sound a bit more rear than they are physically

also adjusting volumes of each, so the same 'noise' is at the same volume as it spins around me

my 2 'rear' speakers are actually almost directly to my right and left on my L shaped desk ...

[twin dew]

The Creative X-Fi generation CMSS-3D Headphone is still the gold standard for HRTF:s AFAIK.
The current Creative one is worse.
The ones in various "HW" solutions are very varied.
And the open source software ones need work to get "right".

Dolby Atmos Headphone is great with Atmos stuff, but does nothing for normal things.

[charred pewter]

that like the old EAX thing ?

[twin dew]

Not directly related.

[charred pewter]

which i dont think any game uses anymore ....

[twin dew]

EAX was about offloading stuff to the sound card and for positional audio input to sound card.
CMSS-3D was then emulating more channels than your system had with that data, or just normal 5.1 or 7.1 input.
And CMSS-3D Headphone was using headphones to play back positional audio so it sounds right.

With just normal headphones.
HRTF, Head Related Transfer Function.

[charred pewter]

ah

[twin dew]

Algorithm doing that conversion from multi-channel sound to just two headphone/earbud speakers so it sounds like you have multi-speaker setup around you.

The Windows Sonic for Headphones is in theory the same again, but just horrible in actual quality.

[charred pewter]

crazy mess of audio stuff

[twin dew]

What is this WSS in this case?
As the opensource thing was HeSuVi

[charred pewter]

and then there is the libraries that games use ... i keep seeing like 'wwise' for a lot

[jagged snow]

Windows spatial sound
Same thing as sonic for headphones

[charred pewter]

some games just get 3d positioning wrong too ... like, a sound in front of you suddenly flips to 'behind' you if you look 'up' .... lol

[twin dew]

Yeah, that Sonic for Headphones is just horrible compared to almost anything else I have tested for HRTF...

[jagged snow]

Corsair's impl was markedly better, but still not that good

[twin dew]

Ah, part was this:

Windows Sonic/Dolby/THX - while they work for 5.1/7.1 sources, they do not process stereo sounds at all, so not suitable for music listening.

HeSuVi would in theory be great, but the emulations of the good algos aren't actually that close.

I'm still annoyed that my X-Fi Titanium died and that Creative doesn't have the same tech in the newer cards anymore.
The SBX replacement is just worse.

[jagged snow]

That's unfortunate

[twin dew]

Still better than most, but worse than the CMSS-3D Headphone was.

Which is just weird...

Why...

[jagged snow]

I'm moving to a new office space and I actually picked up an add-in sound card so I can do 5.1

[twin dew]

Why is the best implementation from early 2000s and not available anymore?

[charred pewter]

ive got a SB-Z .... it suits my needs, better than the onboard realtek shit i have

[jagged snow]

A lot of things end up that way unfortunately

vehicles

[charred pewter]

speakers

[twin dew]

In theory, set it to headphone output mode, enable Surround part of the SBX.
Tune the setting between 33 and 100 while playing something directional.

[charred pewter]

what usually confused me... was trying to get something like that working, and doing the 'test' buttons of where it plays a sound coming from each speaker direction, and it doesnt play the rear sounds and i think "well this doesnt work" for the surround out of headphones or whatever settings

[twin dew]

If the test is 7.1, the 5.1 card isn't going to play the last two.

[charred pewter]

i never thought to just load up a game with known 3d sound and play it to see if its working

[twin dew]

In some cases.

That is another thing, Creative markets the Sound Blaster Z SE I have as having 7.1 headphone virtualization, but even in headphone mode it shows up only as 5.1 card to Windows.
So no, not possible, just 5.1 even then.

False marketing.
Could be in theory changed with just driver update.

[charred pewter]

doh

[twin dew]

Which is probably part why the SBX Surround Headphone is worse than CMSS-3D Headphone, which had 7.1 input capability, or with EAX games actual full directionality input.

Like with Dolby Atmos now in general.

[wide void]

lol, this rings very true.. I was using an old X-Fi Fatality up until I built the new PC, I grabbed a Strix Soar to use in the new PC, it sucks compared to the ~15 year old X-Fi..

[charred pewter]

thats what confused me as well .... i bought a brand new motherboard last year that was only a year old motherboard itself in design ...... but its onboard audio sucks compared to my super old SB card that i've been humping across multiple PC builds now for years

[wide void]

https://imgur.com/B8n9hWf

mine is still in the server now, lol, complete with the old 5.25 frond panel

[charred pewter]

SATA drives so big they bulge out?

[wide void]

hot swap bays

I use them for backing up

[charred pewter]

ah

[cobalt ivy]

might be looking for a gaming monitor, needs to be at least 4K HDR 60hz, not bigger than 32 inch... any good suggestions? (Netherlands)

[jagged snow]

Why do you want 4k at that size?

[cobalt ivy]

because id watch movies too on it

[twin dew]

And so low refresh rate.
And what is the HDR for?

Because getting actual functional HDR is expensive.

[jagged snow]

Movies benefit less than games from the resolution

[twin dew]

Most monitor HDR is just crap implementations to get add the word in spec sheets.

[cobalt ivy]

currently using a sony tv for gaming, but that max out at 100hz

[jagged snow]

So you want to downgrade?

[twin dew]

Probably not even that?
If it was sold as 100Hz TV, it was 50Hz with frame interpolation.

[cobalt ivy]

well, i want a monitor so i can play behind a desk, not in a chair 2,5 meters from the screen

as tv is 55inch

[jagged snow]

What hdr content will you be consuming?

[cobalt ivy]

4k blu ray movies and series mostly

[jagged snow]

Then I'd probably still reccomend 2k

If you actually want something under 32in

[twin dew]

And for usable HDR, you need either OLED or at least 150+ backlight zones.

And OLED still has issues with per pixel degradation from usage happening at different speeds depending on things, causing static images to burn in over time.

[cobalt ivy]

true

[twin dew]

Because that is part of the base OLED pixel tech.

[cobalt ivy]

but how do people play on a desk with massive 32 inch screens?

[jagged snow]

Usually, they're ultrawides

I use two 27in displays that are about arms length

It's not uncomfortable for a wide monitor to be 32in at a desk in my experience

[twin dew]

27":s at 80cm for the middle one.

[cobalt ivy]

do games (like satisfactory or new games) actually support ultrawide?

[jagged snow]

Yes

[twin dew]

Satisfactorys support is currently broken.

[jagged snow]

Oh yeah

[charred pewter]

yay

[twin dew]

But in general starting to be pretty good.

[charred pewter]

i want a 'square' monitor again... so i can actually see whats above and below me better like i used too

[cobalt ivy]

then another question, curved or flat? or that is just personal preference?

[jagged snow]

The curved 32in I used was quite comfortable, and was 16:9

[jagged snow]

Flat is better if you're doing most anything bug gaming

[twin dew]

Personal.
Personally I hate the idea of curved.
But marketing people have gone wild.

[charred pewter]

if you sit far back, curved is annoying ... if you sit up close, then curved helps, but you are moving your head a bit more than normal

[fringe ivy]

I am currently using a flat 21:9 display resolution.

[charred pewter]

i like to be able to sit, motionless, and just move my eyes 😄

[wide void]

Ahhh yes, them was the days.... lol

[twin dew]

Because the curved monitor would need to match in curve to the distance you sit at for it to work right.
And most of them have 1800R radius, as in you would need to sit 1.8m away for that.

[jagged snow]

There are some newer monitors at 1000r

[fringe ivy]

Flat is the way to go for editing and color accurate work.

[jagged snow]

But that is a very aggressive curve if you're not sitting at exactly 1m

[jagged snow]

The shape of the monitor doesn't affect color accuracy

[charred pewter]

does math in head to convert 1.8meters to inches

[wide void]

about 6 foot

[cobalt ivy]

current set-up