off-topic-tech

[twin dew]

Basically means that some version of the chip is in low rate production and is being sent to partners etc. outside the manufacturer for testing in prototype products etc.
To see if it is actually ready for mass production or not.

And for the partners to be able to check their designs and verify their part, so that once the mass production starts, the actual usage can also start quickly.

And if you are doing chip swap for LPDDR, you would probably need to check the current chip used, and use one in same lineup with higher capacity.

If possible.

Or the exact chip used in the "More RAM" version of the complete thingie.

[winged valley]

that specific hynix chip is in the same lineup or at least it kindof is

[twin dew]

When all the versions of it are still in CS?
Probably not.

[winged valley]

Then the one my board came with is the highest capacity in its series

[twin dew]

What is the current ones code then?

[winged valley]

So long as I match the voltage specifications and the pinout, at worst I'd have to edit the UEFI

[winged valley]

uh let me check

H9JCNNNCP3MLYR-N6E

[winged valley]

at least I think

[twin dew]

Ok, so same, but also in CS on the pages.
So yes, the one you wanted is the higher capacity version if the second code is what your one actually currently has.

The pages might be out of date.

[winged valley]

Yes thats what I currently have

[twin dew]

Or Lenovo(?) started production with the sample amounts.

For some specific model.

[winged valley]

MSI

Intel 12th gen so very beginning of ddr5 pretty much

[twin dew]

So probably Hynix again forgetting to update their pages.

[winged valley]

And like, nobody has this laptop so I can't find a schematic anywhere. And a schematic/engineering PDF would probably tell me what chip is used in the 32GB model

I'll have to check again but I looked at the underside of the board and didn't find any extra sets of pads

[twin dew]

All the three capacities are CS on the Hynix site.
So probably just never updated.

The site has seemed to be left unmaintained before too.

[edgy hazel]

Maybe it's the difference between having smart access memory on or off?

[dire igloo]

That small spike down is indeed weird

[edgy hazel]

Mine has one too but more famous

It must be a setting or something that a lot of people don't toggle on/off

Maybe XMP?

[twin dew]

Or like I said, the difference in clocks between the "Stock" models and "OC" models?

[dire igloo]

Meant this one

[edgy hazel]

That's the switch from one bench to the other

[dire igloo]

Ah alr

[twin dew]

For 7900XT, from Asus, there is:
Reference rebrand with 1500/2025/2394 core clocks, 2500 memory clock and 300W TDP.
Base model with 1500/2025/2394 core clocks, 2500 memory clock and 300W TDP.
OC model with 1687/2129/2499 core clocks, 2500 memory clock and 300W TDP.

ASRock has reference, 2450 and 2560 OC models.
So on.

For almost any GPU there are the stock models at reference model clocks, and then the OC models with raised clocks.
And the OC models are usually the more numerous.

And 3DMark doesn't seem to differentiate.

[edgy hazel]

Yeah but that'd mean that almost half of the 7900xt are stock cards

Which I find a bit difficult to believe

[dire igloo]

Stock or OC with background stuff

What's with the plateau around the 32k mark?

I reckon the bump at 34k-35k is from OC people

[edgy hazel]

I really wanna try mixing normal thermal paste and liquid metal and see what happens

[languid gulch]

probably some kind of alchemical goop that'd end up being worse than peanut butter for thermal conductivity

[edgy hazel]

Nvm

[languid gulch]

i suspect it's similar to mixing engine oil. it's not going to average out

[twin dew]

Worse, as oils will mostly blend into somewhat uniform mixture.
Paste and liquid metal will not I expect.

[dusk rivet]

liquid metal is mostly for direct die cooling isn’t it?

[tribal kraken]

Works with IHS too but not much gains

[dusk rivet]

IHS?

[dusk rivet]

i only ever heard it called the lid, didn’t know it had a more proper name

google was uniquely unhelpful in the meaning of the acronym

[tribal kraken]

I did run EK waterblock for a while where I had liquid metal between die and IHS, and between IHS and waterblock too

[narrow folio]

I'm thinking about getting a kryosheet, which should work 'forever'. I only saw videos about it and it's looking very flimsy to apply

[dusk rivet]

atp do direct die

[tribal kraken]

Just dont get the EKWB Intel LGA1700 kit, so much problems with. Allthough it now is running in my system

[wide void]

got to put it on with the board flat as well, lol

but yeah, I'll be trying it next time I pull the rig apart

[narrow folio]

I watched a video where roman himself ripped 2 sheets while mounting an air cooler. So if it happens to him, how much should I buy to be sure? 🤣

[wide void]

lol

[sand saddle]

Correction: just don't get EK

Even if some of their products are good, they're overpriced. Usually not even their own and just rebranded good products.

[sand saddle]

The more heat going thorugh, the bigger the difference it makes.

So if you're overclocking with a custom loop, might as well use liquid metal. Though I usually say when you're making a custom loop, might as well direct die.

[dire igloo]

Honey, wake up, new Chrome vulnerability just dropped:
CVE-2023-6345

[mental oriole]

Fun.

[sterile plinth]

yep, thats why it makes no sense

HOW TO REPRODUCE:

1. do ctrl+shift+c and choose any message with a reply to it
2. right click the element and click use in console
3. go to console and do temp0.getElementsByClassName("markup_a7e664 messageContent__21e69")

[charred pewter]

did you try it with document.getElementsByClassName instead of temp0 ?

oh wait, is this the devtools inside Discord? i wonder if they have a broken implementation 😄

ctrl-shift-c doesnt do much for me on Mac Discord it seems

[sterile plinth]

this is browser discord

also do ctrl+shift+I to open inspect element first

[charred pewter]

ohhhhhhhhh

i never do discord in a web browser LOL

which browser are you using?

anyways, i gotta run and do a bunch of errands before the crowds get bad =p ... bbl

[sterile plinth]

firefox

[twin dew]

Good idea for laptop or GPU.
Not really needed with any CPU, as you can get pastes that work fine for 10 years in CPU application.

[dire igloo]

Maybe we'll see another wave of attacks just like we saw at the end of October (then it was Citrix Bleed)

[jagged snow]

The desktop client is pretty much just a web app with a browser bundled

[mental oriole]

Almost double my listen time. Just below 100k

[jagged snow]

Almost tripled mine

I remember his was the same last year

[mental oriole]

Had 118k last year.

[dusk rivet]

wish amazon music did this

[edgy hazel]

I like music 😦

[mental oriole]

I had same top song as last year as well.

Intensified genocide 🤘

[edgy hazel]

🤘

[edgy hazel]

Last years

[jagged snow]

Yeah

[edgy hazel]

I did 5000 Minutes more this year

But it's crazy how close it is

[sand saddle]

I got 95k

[jagged snow]

That comes pretty close to dividing evenly by 5 8 hour days for every week of the year

[mental oriole]

I knew I'd get less this year because more busy with games and work.

[sand saddle]

Crazy

[stray badger]

Its really funny to see spotify telling me my top played songs meanwhile i can only play playlists on shuffle

[mental oriole]

Just shows how biased their shuffle is.

[twin dew]

The Spotify shuffle is very bad.
If the playlist is too long it doesn't seem to even consider everything, and in many cases if the program is shut down and restarted, it returns to "start" of the shuffle and plays same stuff again.

[jagged snow]

Shuffle has steadily gotten worse

[edgy hazel]

“i am become sigma, rizzler of ohio.”
-robert j. skibidi, inventor of the fanum tax

[twin dew]

Spotify really doesn't like the playlist of playlists I have that contains 90 playlists, each containing all Spotify included music from specific band...

The Shuffle I mean.

[jagged snow]

Yeah, anything over 1k songs seems to completely break it

[twin dew]

Need to disable and enable the shuffle from time to time, when I notice it starting to repeat...

Which is pretty weird when in theory the shuffle should be from over thousand hours of music...
Got to 223h for bands starting with A-D

[dire igloo]

I love how we as humans attribute randomness to an even distribution.

If four songs of the same artist play after one another we assume it's not shuffled properly - when in reality, clustering is just in the nature of randomizing.

[jagged snow]

No, but spotify does play the same subset of 200 songs out of a playlist with 1.5k

[dire igloo]

Yeah, that's on Spotify

But it astounds me how few people know that the Spotify shuffle is not actually a shuffle

[jagged snow]

Yeah 😦

[proud ivy]

the first index has messageContent_21e69 as a class. I'm assuming the parent div has clas markup_a7e664. typically ".class1.class2" selects the element with both classes. ".class1 .class2" would select parent -> any class2 that has class1 as a parent anywhere up the chain

but im not sure what the syntax is for the parameter in getelementyclass

[jagged snow]

It'd be really cool if we could pick shuffle algorithms

[sharp oasis]

@jagged snow random question. Could I use a Nvidia Tesla P100 as a render gpu?

[jagged snow]

You probably could
Not really your best option though

[sharp oasis]

I mean for $150

Cad

[jagged snow]

You'd probably be better off with a 1080ti or something

[sharp oasis]

I found a 3080TI

For $206 cad

www.ebay.ca/itm/404649341463?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=6mjogoh0q9i&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=fb8lv91jrdw&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[jagged snow]

That's on auction, it'll go way up before it sells

[sharp oasis]

Shit

Both of em are in actions

[charred pewter]

yes, but i mean ... I dont do discord in 'a web browser' ... i only use the desktop app

i had thought there was a way to open the devtools inside the discord desktop app (because it IS a glorified webkit client)

so hay, passmark is shit

[maiden coyote]

I use the browser version rather than the app

[charred pewter]

doesnt the browser version have more ads ?

SIGH ... let me load it up and see .....

"Why Is Discord Asking For My Birthday?" .... fuck that, im stickin with the app

web browser version is horribly retarded from the looks of it hmm

am i still allowed to use that word these days to describe bad tech ?

[sand saddle]

I don't see a problem

It's not directed at a person...

[charred pewter]

looks legit...

[sterile plinth]

Nope, that returns the same two elements. Also, it is listed in documentation that searching for element by class with a space between the classes means match both classes in a row, not one or the other

[charred pewter]

right, to do one OR the other, requires a different method and using the ".class1,.class2" notation

[sterile plinth]

Correct, but if you look above I have a problem

The one that's supposed to match both classes only matches one

[sharp oasis]

Why is nvidia used market so expensive

[charred pewter]

i did the same thing, and these are my results ...

i see no shenanigans

[proud ivy]

wait. your original shows the HTMLCollection is returning correctly. the array in the console are the child elements maybe?

[charred pewter]

yes

[proud ivy]

you're just looking at the children - not the actual element returned

[charred pewter]

i told him that yesterday, that flipping open a matched element is going to show the things inside, which are not part of the matching

[proud ivy]

missed that lol. my bad. ya, nothing wrong here

[charred pewter]

well, it got lost, we were discussing how bad passmark was too 😄

and something about nvidia and amd prices

[mental oriole]

100% legit. Must be a fox spirit

[sterile plinth]

You do see shenanigans

Notice how there are replied text markup class elements?

[charred pewter]

so?

[sterile plinth]

Even though you searched for messageContent markup elements?

[proud ivy]

but those replied markups ALSO have the 2 classes you want

[charred pewter]

it STILL matches the two classes i am looking for

[sterile plinth]

Bro do you even know how the function works

[charred pewter]

bro, do you ? 😄

[charred pewter]

"BOTH" ... not "ONLY"

[sterile plinth]

It needs to match BOTH the classes, not one of them

[proud ivy]

<div class="a b c d">. document.getElementsByClassName("a") will return that div

it IS matching both

[charred pewter]

this div has "BOTH" the two classes I looked for: div#message-content-1179441926223691806.repliedTextContent__75526.markup_a7e664.messageContent__21e69

(as well as some other class, which doesnt matter)

if you want to find "ONLY" the elements that contain those two classes, you have to then foreach the first result and filter out the ones that have more classes in them

btw this is what i used:

and div#message-content-1179441926223691806.repliedTextContent__75526.markup_a7e664.messageContent__21e69 matches up just fine ... it has both those classes in it

out of the 61 matches it found, all of the rows contain both those classes

im not trying to be ornery, im just saying im not getting results that DONT have both the classes im looking for .... i could fire up firefox and see if its a firefox issue .... but i dont have that on this machine right now

[proud ivy]

his results are the same - he's just thinking it returns elements that are exclusively those two classes. And then he also expanded the element and saw the children that were part of the objects that were returned. So it's just a lack of clarity of what's actually being returned.

[charred pewter]

i do admit ... console results can sometimes be 'buzzy' with info ... espcially when you start flipping open prototype

but im basically in console almost daily fiddling and twiddling css/html ... god, i cant recall the days where "inspect" didnt exist! we had to trial n error/upload new files over and over reloading till something finally looked right LOL

but then, we really didnt HAVE css back then either... it was html2.0

[robust socket]

so for a long time i have had a problem where even with very bad settings my graphic card crashes (i already replaced it and a pc with the same specs does not have the problem i have) so i have started to look at error messages in the games that crash to maybe find what is causing the problem

Fatal error: [File:C:\BuildAgent\work\78a794e88763017d\UE4\Engine\Source\Runtime\D3D12RHI\Private\D3D12Util.cpp] [Line: 873] CurrentQueue.Fence.D3DFence->GetCompletedValue() failed at C:\BuildAgent\work\78a794e88763017d\UE4\Engine\Source\Runtime\D3D12RHI\Private\D3D12Submission.cpp:939 with error DXGI_ERROR_DEVICE_REMOVED with Reason: DXGI_ERROR_DEVICE_HUNG

FactoryGame_D3D12RHI_Win64_Shipping!D3D12RHI::VerifyD3D12Result() [C:\BuildAgent\work\78a794e88763017d\UE4\Engine\Source\Runtime\D3D12RHI\Private\D3D12Util.cpp:873]
FactoryGame_D3D12RHI_Win64_Shipping!<lambda_71956b2a12b9472483e2c2bed83bc5f9>::operator()() [C:\BuildAgent\work\78a794e88763017d\UE4\Engine\Source\Runtime\D3D12RHI\Private\D3D12Submission.cpp:943]
FactoryGame_D3D12RHI_Win64_Shipping!FD3D12DynamicRHI::ForEachQueue() [C:\BuildAgent\work\78a794e88763017d\UE4\Engine\Source\Runtime\D3D12RHI\Private\D3D12RHIPrivate.h:385]
FactoryGame_D3D12RHI_Win64_Shipping!FD3D12DynamicRHI::ProcessInterruptQueue() [C:\BuildAgent\work\78a794e88763017d\UE4\Engine\Source\Runtime\D3D12RHI\Private\D3D12Submission.cpp:1093]
FactoryGame_D3D12RHI_Win64_Shipping!FD3D12Thread::Run() [C:\BuildAgent\work\78a794e88763017d\UE4\Engine\Source\Runtime\D3D12RHI\Private\D3D12Submission.cpp:83]
FactoryGame_Core_Win64_Shipping!FRunnableThreadWin::Run() [C:\BuildAgent\work\78a794e88763017d\UE4\Engine\Source\Runtime\Core\Private\Windows\WindowsRunnableThread.cpp:149]

[charred pewter]

YARG WALL OF TEXT! 😄

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/tomgist-tom-gist-reactions-wtf-gif-18122749

[twin dew]

And you are in completely wrong place to post Satisfactory Crash logs.

[robust socket]

oh nvm then

[edgy hazel]

not even a hello :/

[twin dew]

#1038092680493801533

[charred pewter]

hello! 👋

[tough owl]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-hi-there-greetings-gif-9442662

[twin dew]

Whops... I was supposed to set my microwave to first heat for 3 minutes on max power, and then for 10 minutes on one of the lowest settings...
Set it to do the low power for 10 seconds instead...

[narrow folio]

seconds, minutes... in astronomical therm those are basically the same😁

[charred pewter]

better than accidently setting it to 10 minutes on high

[sterile plinth]

Hmm interesting so class only shows the 2 first classes of a node?

Because in this case the node has 3 classes, repliedText markup and message content

Yet it said class = repliedText markup

Hiding the last one

[charred pewter]

maybe its how firefox formats the output

chrome shows it differently ... in #id.class.class notation

[edgy hazel]

okay these new custom sensors are nice

[sterile plinth]

Well anyways, what's the function to find elements with only these 2 classes?

[proud ivy]

get the list of the ones that do have both. then since you know they have the 2 you want, you can just do a foreach and only return the ones with exactly 2 classes. there's probably an element.GetClasses method that returns an array of classes. So document.GetElementsByClassName("class1 class2").foreach(el => el.GetClasses().Length == 2). something like that. my javascript a little rusty but at least that's pseudo code (each object in your first array is going to an HTMLElement or something like that, which will have its own protype functions). HtmlElement might even just have a property already with an array of classes, so could just be el.Classes.length. Etc

if foreach doesn't work, filter might. would work similary. array.filter(x => x.field == 2) returns an array of objects that matched that filter. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6].filter(x => x > 4) returns [5, 6]

[charred pewter]

OR ...... you can just include jquery and all of this would be fucking easier

OR maybe not, seems even jquery doesnt have a built in that is "must match and only match these classes"

i always include jquery though, because im sick to death of vanilla javascript these days.... i got so spoiled on jquery, theres simply no going back now

$(".markup_a7e664.messageContent__21e69").each(function(idx){ ..filter out junk.. });

[sharp oasis]

@twin dew whats the maximum daily drivable voltage for a 5600 IMC

[languid gulch]

14.825v

i'm kidding, for the love of god don't do it

[sharp oasis]

Did a funny

5000mhz Decoupled Fclk

Booted. And uhh

Destroyed my OS

[languid gulch]

from what i've seen people doing, 0.900v-1.3 is the safe range

tho i think 1.3 is definitely on the high side

[sharp oasis]

I was doing 1.2v

Is what I've heard to be the max daily drive

[languid gulch]

yea that's what my 5600X is usually floating around

[sharp oasis]

My Imc is too weak for synced 4000mhz

Max it could do without spazzing

Was 3800

I miss my 5500

That thing was goofy

Too bad it's dead

[languid gulch]

i just leave everything at stock for the most part, i feel like you don't get enough performance boost for the fiddling around & instabilities

[sharp oasis]

To be fair I beat a 5600X with a pbo OC

[languid gulch]

oh yea decent silicon within the same tier will do that

[sharp oasis]

Yeah

I'm sad I'm stuck tho

Rather unsatisfingly stuck lol

[languid gulch]

i was tempted by the 5800X3D, but that'd be the 3rd cpu i've put in this board, so i'm gonna wait until ryzen 8000 or intel 15th gen to make a transition

it wasn't enough of a discount to really make me want to go for it

not for an 8 core

[sharp oasis]

I'm half tempted by the 7800X3D

To be completely fair for me

It's the fastest gaming cpu on the market

Currently

[languid gulch]

i wanna see what kinds of stabilizations & fixes come with the next gen of AM5 boards

especially if anyone's come up with new designs for cooling

[edgy hazel]

I love ending e-mails with "thank you in advance". Like what are you going to now? Not do the thing I already thanked you for? Bring dishonor on yourself like that? No? I didn't think so. Check mate you have been played by the master of manipulation.

[hushed olive]

LOL

The future looks amazing

[sharp oasis]

Anything I should add or re-arrange any of the ranks

[edgy hazel]

That's 🤡 stuff

[sharp oasis]

I mean it's not like a serious thing

Just a joke that started in build a pc for funny

[edgy hazel]

Ranking people using your own personal opinion is always a good idea

[sharp oasis]

This is based off of like everyone so fsr.

That told me where to put the ranks

Basically the lists were pretty close together

[twin dew]

Why is the stupid above the experienced for example?

[dire igloo]

der8auer > Lisa Su

[sharp oasis]

Meme.

[sharp oasis]

V2 of the list had der8auer at the top

[dire igloo]

Good idea to rank people btw.
Never went wrong in the past

[sharp oasis]

Fr

Ik ik

[dire igloo]

Then don't

[sharp oasis]

Done

[wanton orchid]

wait it was meant as ranks ?

I thought it was step of experience

though lot of steps skipped

[sharp oasis]

Kinda was the intent

[sharp oasis]

Yeah

I mean I'm not perfect at finding every expreince step

[wanton orchid]

for instance the crap custom build is optional

[sharp oasis]

Yeah.

[dire igloo]

Infosec guy: "it's part of information security to look away when coworkers enter their password."

Meanwhile coworkers: "I was changing my password, is this one secure?" *shows password*

Welcome to infosec.

[sharp oasis]

Imma try to sleep

I got a cold and it's really tough to sleep at

4am sleep is not so nice lol

[wanton orchid]

easy always answer No

[edgy hazel]

[dire igloo]

Or "could you show me the login process please? Password is written on that Post-It there"

Sometimes even both

[narrow folio]

a post-it is sometimes the only option for a user used by multiple persons. especially when it's mandatory to change the password every 40 days and you get locked out hard after 3 false tries...
Not secure, but hey

[twin dew]

Secure against remove hacking (if complex), and against people changing.
Not secure against local intrustion.

[narrow folio]

the process to migrate everything to a user per worker is taking ages, started about 10 years ago

probably because the login in question only has limited access and less and less people use it there is little pressure to migrate the last dozen workers to their personal login

and maybe because every login adds some cost

[stark heron]

Hi

[night girder]

Baldur, is this enough you think?

[twin dew]

Depends how much RAM you have and what you do.
When you run out of both RAM and Swap, the computer or program crashes.

Until that point it doesn't matter.

[night girder]

I am still investigating the crashes. They did change. I no longer get driver errors or crashes/restarts. Now the game just crashes with other errors. When investigating. One of the solutions they recommend is setting higher file page. The screenshot you see is default (managed by Windows). I wonder if I should try upping the vram to see if I can get hogwrts stable. The error it throws is rather ... I don't know ... generic?

<ErrorMessage>LowLevelFatalError [File:Unknown] [Line: 715] hr failed at W:/Engine/Source/Runtime/D3D12RHI/Private/D3D12Resources.cpp:503 with error DXGI_ERROR_DEVICE_REMOVED with Reason: DXGI_ERROR_DEVICE_HUNG</ErrorMessage>

This is the solution, this leggit?

[twin dew]

Old things in a way.
Old suggestion ages ago was to set Swap to 1-2x RAM.
I had to set it to 50GB because some game had memory leaks for example.

But high swap can postpone or prevent some crashes.

[night girder]

Any drawbacks of a high swap?

[twin dew]

Just takes disk space

[night girder]

More IO to ssd?

well doesn't sound like it can hurt.

[narrow folio]

maybe grab a used optane ssd for swap?

[twin dew]

Speed is only needed if you regularly hit the swap.
I have mine on HDD.

[night girder]

I just want to stop crashing to desktop 🤣 I am happy it's not a full PC crash

[narrow folio]

to have an indicator if you ran out of Ram

[night girder]

I doubt it's memory though, I was only playing for 2-3 minutes. So cannot be a memory leak.

And yesterday it happened 3-5 times. But the days before that I had driver crashes. Pretty crazy how it just changes. One thing is for sure. Hogwarts is pretty shitty optimized 🤣

and it crashed during a race. I just did exact same race without a crash.

[narrow folio]

Memtest?

[wanton orchid]

if only you could jump from crash condition to memtest
the code quality is nowhere near that

most games have insane amounts of data racing and memory leaks

sometimes the whole main design is brittle and build on assumption because it once worked

[night girder]

memtest was good.

#off-topic-tech message

[wanton orchid]

not even talking about microsoft apis having near no real documentation

and being completely memory layout undefined

[sand saddle]

Testmem5 absolut config is a pretty nice tool for stability testing if you don't want to run shit for days

[wanton orchid]

the amount of stuff where it does not tell you if windows unallocate it or you are supposed to unallocated it yourself is completely ill

if it is thread safe or not

etc

too often even microsoft does not know, and it changes with updates

[night girder]

Ah, well I was talking with Baldur at the time and I went with the default memtest.

[wanton orchid]

current software best practices are a huge pile of shit

[sand saddle]

Ah wait you got ddr5

Absolut was mads for ddr4 and might not be as effective with ddr5

[twin dew]

Doesn't really matter.
Just about different access patterns.

The different IMCs make bigger difference than the basic tech.

In how they actually interleave what the code asks into actual memory bus traffic, and that changes with timings too.

[wanton orchid]

isnt ddr5 designed to make imc take over more thing and have more information about the chip behavior

only enforcing stuff that is known to work better in almost all cases

I mean more training, feedback, bank management, rank management, command interleaving things

[twin dew]

Always has been purely IMC side.

[wanton orchid]

that's the point

[twin dew]

DRAM chips are DUMB.
The latencies are just IMC waiting and hoping that the DRAM chips get things done, because there is no feedback.

[wanton orchid]

as it's expected

in the end ram chips are ram chips

I think expo certification also profit amd imc u-code teams

[sand saddle]

Some people like the tm5 1usmus config, but honestly seems like absolut might still be the king of tm5 configs rn

[wanton orchid]

I like that amd bios let you check some memory interleaving behaviors
I hate that these settings even though exposed are largely undocumented

[night girder]

I hate it, that when a game crashes and create an error report. You are non the wiser.

And all those "fixes" you read on the internet, are just people gambling and hoping something works without actually knowing what is going on.

[charred pewter]

and half of them are not really the fix, but something else happened at the time where they thought it was fixed because they did something else

[wanton orchid]

and even when it's "the fix" it's just workaround most of the time

like "you have issues with virtualization ? : easy, install the system on bare hardware" waw such helpfull "tip"

[charred pewter]

hehe "reinstall from scratch, exclude modules, and remove the things you actually need" ...

[night girder]

Like when searching for my problem, I have found solutions like: disable MPO, increase RAM, do something in the registry , disable upscaling, disable AA, update drivers, ...

[charred pewter]

thats about what i ran across just the other day trying to find an answer why apache2 was suddenly segfaulting for no damned good reason

yup, for games its basically : every setting there is, someone says changing that setting fixes the problem

[twin dew]

Disabling MPO is legit bypass to misbehaving overlays, but nothing else.

[wanton orchid]

this is especially not usefull tip when they ask you to reinstall, but does not ask you to reinstall "using that check"
because then you end up reinstalling in the same faulty way or worse
not everyone seek to improve install process everytime they do it

[charred pewter]

"i switched to nvidia and the problem went away!"
"i changed to my amd and the problem stopped!"

[night girder]

but like AMD had 3 different overlays. One to the left, one to the right (measurements) and one overlay that is full screen. Wtf AMD? 🤣

and I like the one to the right, so I can see my temps etc.

but there is no way to only disable a few. It's all or nothing.

[twin dew]

Point is that the overlays mostly work without the MPO, when they are "independent".

[night girder]

Also, one can question. If the overlay of AMD works perfect with RD2. Why not for HL?

[charred pewter]

if its all or nothing, why are they not all on just one overlay ?

[night girder]

Why does overlay play nice with certain games, and doesn't with others?

Is it the games fault? Or AMD? 🤔

[charred pewter]

game

[twin dew]

And it might not be relevant to this case.

Just why it is sometimes "legit" bypass.

[night girder]

maybe there is a way, but I only found one option to enable/disable AMD overlay.

[charred pewter]

it'd be like steam putting each panel on a seperate overlay lol, could you imagine that?

[twin dew]

Disabling MPO just changes the OS to work "legacy" way.

[night girder]

The MPO fix sounds very dubious tbh. I rather do the page file thing.

Also, HL only takes 18GB out of the 32GB 😒

https://steamcommunity.com/app/990080/discussions/0/3761104682790586953/

[charred pewter]

i never fiddled with my page file size

[night girder]

How much you have Frigid?

[twin dew]

Would need to check another thing.
Task Manager etc. by default only shows one kind of RAM usage.

[charred pewter]

hogwarts actually never crashed on me through 110 hours of play

[night girder]

Also when did you play? Frigid?

[charred pewter]

i have 32gb ram

[night girder]

Because I read that a patch actually created some issues.

[charred pewter]

jut recently? like ... uh, when did i finally finish it ....

[night girder]

Ok, but then again, I am AM5. Different beast than whatever you got running 😄

[wanton orchid]

I mean there only one kind of ram or two that matters for user :
hardware ram usage, and total (with swap) ram usage

[charred pewter]

end of october seems to be when i finished the game

[night girder]

if it doesn't crash today. The page thing was actually a leggit fix 🤣

yesterday it crashed atleast 3 times. Wait let me check

[wanton orchid]

page thing ?

[charred pewter]

and yes im on intel cpu/mb ... ddr5 ram not like that should matter

[twin dew]

Increasing fixed swap from just 2GB to much higher.

[charred pewter]

sheesh

[night girder]

Yup 😄

I mean, it was worse. My whole rig crashed 😛

but then I did that AMD clear shader thing and I think that solved it.

[charred pewter]

the last patch notes i see for hogwarts .... is june 2nd ?

[wanton orchid]

it always sounds stupid to me that when game shaders or drivers updates it does not automatically resets EVERY FUCKING shader cache
like how the fuck do you think it will behave like new when you only process old stuff ?

[charred pewter]

it was because i hadnt seen any new patches since jun that i decided 'welp, they arnt going to do anymore fixes... time to play'

[wanton orchid]

"we fixed it, but it will not apply if you dont do that thing" why

[charred pewter]

for me, everytime i launch hogwarts, it rebuilds shaders for about a minute or two ....

[night girder]

I was thinking exactly the same.

Why the hell don't they do a clear after a driver update. Seems like a nice way to do it.

[charred pewter]

geezus steam on mac is shit ... i tell it to quit, and then it goes brain dead, 'unresponsive' for five minutes, then crashes. well.... i guess it did quit afterall .... lol

[night girder]

but now I noted for myself, whenever AMD updates. I will do a clear manually to be sure.

[night girder]

wait what? That isn't suspose to happen 😄

The first time it should take long. Then it should be seconds.

Unless you system resets the cache everytime or something. Not sure how it all works.

[charred pewter]

it does .... only game i have that has done that. every.... single... time.... i launched it

[night girder]

Yeah that's a bug Frigid. I read it on steam.

[charred pewter]

well, least the game didnt crash on me 😄

[dire igloo]

I could see my uni programming dumbass self implement crash code to close an app

[night girder]

True, but atleast I am in the game in 10-20 seconds 😛

[charred pewter]

lol

[night girder]

and the auto-save in this game is really legit.

I never lost any progress due the crashes.

[charred pewter]

it saves after any change to character

pick up something, saves, open lock, saves, enter new area, saves

[night girder]

also you are right.

hogsmaede is pain to FPS. I ran at 100+ but in hog it goes to 30 and lower 🤣

and one of the beast places, the dark one also wrecks my FPS. The forest and beach beast places are ok.

[charred pewter]

i forget which Far Cry i was recently playing where everytime i walked over something like ammo or arrows (which auto-pickup) arrows especially, since i was shooting them into things then running over them to get the arrow back .... the game would jerk

turns out it was cause it was auto-saving every character change (which happens when you pick up ONE arrow)... for every damned arrow all over the field of battle

i had decent fps in hogsmede and the castle... but i suffered 'npc caused hiccups' ... the more npc in the area, the worse they got, hogsmede during the day was painful

[night girder]

A combination of the following: a fun game, on newer technology (AM5?) and by a newish development company - make me not really be bothered by it. It's not that it makes me want to write a negative review. Weirdly 😒

[charred pewter]

hogwarts?

[night girder]

Did you run all on max settings?

[charred pewter]

i think its generally overall a fantastic game .... but some people get hit hard with worse problems in it

yeah, i had everything turned up except the pointless RT

[night girder]

I wouldn't say fantastic? A lot is nostalgic for me 😄 It's not really and RPG but more of a adventure game. Side quests are so shallow.

[charred pewter]

well .... i had fun in the 110 hours i spent, and got 100% everything 😄 and it didnt feel like the kind of grind/bleah/whatever of like assin creed/far cry/batman/mordor games

[night girder]

I expected more depth? There is so much depth to the world of JK rowling and they barely use any of it? And they are afraid to write their own stuff about the world. Should it conflict with the real lore.

So it's written by people who don't use the old lore, don't want to fuck up the lore by creating new lore, so we get this game that plays it very safe. On all departments.

[night girder]

Oh, it does feel a bit grindy. 96 Merlin Trials. For real? 🙂

[charred pewter]

well, i guess i wasnt THAT big of a HP fan to notice

i enjoyed the movies ... the game was similiar ...

it had a generally nice story, and flow .... doing random things on the side as i wander the contry side trying to find an objective ...

no minimap, and no guides, makes for a better "non waypoint grinder" game 😄

[night girder]

I agree. But I would give it a 7-8 (good) and not a 9-10 (excellent) out of 10. Just me 😉

I am looking forward for the next instalment, if they can learn and keep improving. This might be a good franchise in the making.

[charred pewter]

it definitely could be, i mean, even Lego makes hogwarts stuff ....

so long as they learn from any mistakes, and take reviews in on what really didnt work (merlins trials ahem) ...

thing is, after finding ALL of the merlins trials, you dont get anything special for completeing them all =p

spoiler? sorry

[night girder]

an achievement.

[charred pewter]

oh, right

i thought that popped when you did the guide book requirements

but theres more trials than the final guide book item

maybe they added so many, so that you dont have to do them all, and hunt the all down

but the completionist in me is like 'theres more out there... DO THEM ALLLLLL"

[night girder]

There was an interesting article, where a developer said that Starfield failed, because it became the industry standard. And I have to agree. Bethesda is stagnating in innovation. Using their same "success recipe" to all their games. And now fallout, elder scrolls have become the standard of the industry. So when they released Starfield, it got average reviews. Because it's... a standard game.

Also, Starfield developers are fighting their costumers who leave negaive reviews

[charred pewter]

lol

[night girder]

Delusional company.

They forget that astronauts were not bored on the moon because they had a shit ton of scientific tasks to complete.

[charred pewter]

clearly they put a lot of effort and heart into the game (in their standards) ... and just get very offended by the fickle and picky bitchy gamers of today

[night girder]

You think gamers are fickle and picky bitches?

[charred pewter]

oh yes

[night girder]

Because they critique bethesda of using a 20 year old engine? Wtf?

[charred pewter]

even games 20 years ago are still fun...

[jagged snow]

I think a solid portion of them don't even know what gives them enjoyment in their games

[charred pewter]

games do NOT "need" RT or fancy whatnots bs that most are not even going to pay attention too if the actual gameplay is fun

[night girder]

Ok, then riddle me this.

[charred pewter]

(and im not saying starfields gameplay is fun)

[night girder]

I am such a bitchy gamer. Why do some games blow me away and others just outright suck?

If I don't know what fun is in games?

[jagged snow]

There was somebody in #satisfactory yesterday that was incredibly upset that the grass shadows were slightly pixelated.

[night girder]

Or maybe the games just outright suck, and people glorify crappy games? 😄 We can flip this argument.

[charred pewter]

its in general .... i see so many negative reviews and negativity around new games because people are comparing pixels of still images and whining that something doesnt look perfect. and im shaking my head and going "well whats the actual gameplay like?"

[jagged snow]

Honestly I think it's some of both.

[night girder]

But maybe games are just more copy/pasta then they used to be?

You know the % of games output every year is WAY bigger than the old days?

[charred pewter]

and then theres THAT issue .... "creativity" ....

when in a world where so much has been created, its hard for new people to create new things when its all almost already been done before

[jagged snow]

To an extent, yes. The only projects I get excited for nowadays are the very unique ones like satis

[charred pewter]

its why tv and movies are suffering too

games, tv, movies, all rehashes because no one has any innovation or new ideas 😦

[night girder]

I don't want another assassins creed, or far cry, or fifa games, or tekken, or street fighter or mortal combat. Or NFL. The games innovation is 0.

The only games that get on my radar have to be fun AND innovating.

[charred pewter]

although..... a reskin far cry in star wars makeup sounds fun ... (not innovative)

[night girder]

I have watched starfield.

And I can see that it's the exact same game they made.

[charred pewter]

i have played starfield

[night girder]

Just in space. Without a horse.

And Bethesda has to be one of the mast experienced gaming companies today.

[charred pewter]

and its exactly the same thing, but in a 'new' engine that cant even handle itself on modern hardware

[night girder]

so I hold them in high regards (and so do others).

[charred pewter]

if they used a 20 year old engine, it should be performing so much better

[night girder]

it's the same engine I think frigid.

The Creation Engine 2.0 brings major upgrades to graphics, AI, physics, and visuals. It uses the Havok engine for character and NPC animation, resulting in lifelike simulations. Bethesda is enhancing radiant AI for dynamic environments, especially in cities, to create more dynamic interactions between NPCs and the world.

[charred pewter]

even 5 yo games run crazy smooth ... because they dont have all that pointless crap in them bogging them down 😄

[night girder]

Here, read that PR crap. I know AI is non existence in Starfierld.

Shoot your gun in a town and nobody bats an eye.

[charred pewter]

lol

the AI only applies to specific npcs who are in a specific fight with you

not every npc all over the place ... sadly

[night girder]

It's just what bethesda has become. When they talk, they overexaggerate. Then they release a mediocre product at best.

[charred pewter]

oh, yeah, i dont dismiss that at all

[night girder]

Ah, sorry didn't want to turn this into a shitfest on bethesda. The point I actually was making.

[charred pewter]

whomever did the publicity for NoMansSky before launch, went to work for bethesda 😄

[night girder]

If Bethesda had released Hogwarts, I might have been more critical then the current developers 😄

because you know, experience does matter to me. Indie studio vs 3xA.

[charred pewter]

true

i think even NPCs in hogwarts react to you running into them, better than NPCs in starfield

[night girder]

Isn't that sad?

[charred pewter]

indeed

[night girder]

Imagine the amount of moneys and experience Bethesda made 😦

[charred pewter]

and the massive team they had

[night girder]

If they were truelly a gamers company, they would release better products.

and I believe this for every gaming company.

[charred pewter]

i just wish they would get off the business model of "modders will fix it, we dont need to do anything"

[jagged snow]

I have started to question the length of time that css has kept satis in ea

[wide void]

thats been the Bethesda line for decades, lol

[charred pewter]

sad huh 😦

[night girder]

Me too. I was recently thinking about it. And I had some naughty thoughts.

[charred pewter]

ive also pondered ..... they were running along strong, then appeared to really slow down the last year, and im sure it was all the whole 'engine upgrade'... but it feels like they lost their drive

[night girder]

"What if the developers aren't stressing, because they are in a good position in life right now? Stable income. Have a job. Once they finished the game then ..."

I know. It's a little bit of an evil assumption. But I was just wondering why it's taking so long 🙂

[wide void]

I've probably done 200 hours in Starfield, is it flawless and peerless? no, but its still good fun

[night girder]

Like nobody asked for UE5. And if they keep changing the engine.

[wide void]

I can't see I'll replay it as much as other Beth titles though

[night girder]

You spend 200 hours because you ran back and forth with all your loot to the shop 😉

and you had to hop over every planets since you don't have any vehicles. Haha. Sorry messing with you.

[wide void]

most of it was goofing about with ships, I loved that part

[night girder]

Glad you enjoyed it 😄

[jagged snow]

I'm actually very happy with the engine upgrade

[night girder]

Ok, that part does indeed look interesting. The ship building.

[wide void]

peak Starfield, lol

[night girder]

Did you see the space station code they found?

Apparantly, Bethesda was planning for players to have a space station to costumize and build in.

[wide void]

yeah, I didn't use any mods, as they tend to break more shit than they fix in the first few weeks

[night girder]

Then it shouldn't be a surprise why Satis is so long in EA.

Imagine you are testing a car for 3 years. And they then replace the brakes and engine. You know you going to have to retest the car for another 3 years.

By then they have a newer engine etc. It's dumb.

[jagged snow]

Yep

[night girder]

I still think they are wasting time on purpose for job safety.

[jagged snow]

I will be upset if they delay much more than another 6 months

Since the game is nearing feature-completeness

[night girder]

Someone once said to me that having no stress is not good. Having too much stress is also not good. You need to have the right amount of stress to keep pushing you.

But if you don't have any goals / end-dates then you have no stress.

[jagged snow]

If I had to guess, they're having to stall for time while waiting on story content and that's why they've been moving slow

[night girder]

But this is just me making big assumptions.

[maiden coyote]

I'm just happy they care.

[night girder]

It could be they are very stressed and just delaying the game because they not happy with it and the quality.

[charred pewter]

the end of a games development is always an exciting and stressful/sad time

[night girder]

If that's the case, I will 100% support them.

You know why Satis can do this?

Their communication is spot on. (in my humble opinion)

They keep the community involved during the development process. Tell why stuff is happening. And tell the community about the future.

[night girder]

Story content? 🤣

[maiden coyote]

There's plenty of other games that have had bugs in a completed game, and they will never get fixed. Css is like, we know it's an issue we'll fix it eventually

[night girder]

Didn't snutt say "don't expect a mind blowing story"?

Aso

they had 8 freaking years to write a story. Or more? Or less? But they had a long time.

[maiden coyote]

Story's been done for years I think

[night girder]

We had those voices all over as WIP because of story. So I doubt that's the reason.

I think the real problem is goal post moving. Sorry.

Somebody has to say: this is the date. We release by then. All start working your buttttts off.

[jagged snow]

Yes

[night girder]

Wouldn't surprise me if the game will take another 2-3 years to release.

[jagged snow]

I don't know of another studio that does better

[jagged snow]

That would be dissapointing

[night girder]

Would it? We can play 😄

[wanton orchid]

they can mostly focus on polishing now that they have new engine

[charred pewter]

its kinda like those axolot guys who were making raft and scrap mechanic ... scrap mechanic had a lot going for it, but its basically been dead for a year and a half now

[wanton orchid]

lot of stuff can be done quite fast once you dont have more treathening stuff in the back

[charred pewter]

i dont even know if raft has been completed yet either

[night girder]

Steam has this annoying thing that once a game is tagged for EA, it stays EA 😄

[charred pewter]

factorio got out of ea hell 😄

[night girder]

for example: Baldur Gate 3 is excluded from my shopping list because it's an EA title. While it's not in EA anymore.

[charred pewter]

oh LOL

Electronic Arts hell

[charred pewter]

thats funny as hell

[night girder]

yeah 😄

[charred pewter]

i put a lot of ea games in my wishlist, and keep an eye when they finally release (if ever)

[night girder]

I am done with EA games.

[charred pewter]

im done BUYING ea games

[night girder]

Like, totally done with EA games. I buy em if they look good after release.

[charred pewter]

i wait till they release, THEN i buy them, even if its more, at least the finished

[night girder]

I am not paying anymore money upfront for a game that might become fun or not ...

[charred pewter]

yup

GODUS ... Worlds Adrift ... a few others... took my money and bailed

[night girder]

Satis is only one that I don't regret buying in EA.

[charred pewter]

Worlds Adrift was even more upsetting because they yanked their servers so you cant even PLAY it in its last state

it was basically "SEEYA!! THANKS FOR THE MONEY! AHHAHAHAHAHAH"

so ive put all of bossa soft games into my blacklist

[night girder]

7 days to die is an EA game, in development for 10 years (2013) and has sold 16 million copies. And they are also working on Xbox version of their game. WHILE their game is still in early access. W-T-F.

[charred pewter]

dont forget the DLCs during ea .....

[night girder]

Why start working on an extra project, based on a project, that isn't released?

[charred pewter]

sounds like The Long Dark: they went off to work on a DLC before even finishing the main game !

[night girder]

And that game has still 0 information on when to release. They keep redeveloping excisting systems.

They had a weather system. They scrap it. And make a new weather system. Another year gone. (This really happened, maybe not the duration, but they swapped the weather system).

[charred pewter]

ASTRONEER had a weather system ... was great.... it actually could hurt .... they pulled it out

[night girder]

😦

Yeah, fuck EA. Give me back the days we got demos or free open beta's.

[charred pewter]

spent more time on DLC skins to sell, than adding the weather system back ... then they go and add an update that "lets you adjust everything in the game world to your liking" ... and dont return the weather system to 'turn on'

[night girder]

There was a time where game companies paid to convince consumers. They paid to hold beta's so consumers could test the game. They burned games demo's on CD's etc.

Now it's reversed. The consumer pays to test out a game. And I mean test as in; also do quality control and report bugs.

[charred pewter]

yup

people will also pay extra just to play the game 3 days early now too

[night girder]

How the fuck did this reverso happen?

Where did we go wrong Frigid 🤣

[charred pewter]

...... better question: how the fuck did we completely derail tech chat

[night girder]

Once gamers were Kings. Now we back to peasants 😦

[night girder]

I entered chat

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-homer-simpsons-hide-disappear-gif-16799752

[charred pewter]

lol, started out as am5 issues with hogwarts

[night girder]

Shit happened 😄

btw, frigid: https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/743F-2E0E-C9A5-C375

[maiden coyote]

Ea as electronics arts and not early access?

[night girder]

early access.

[maiden coyote]

I've had better luck with early access titles than not tbh.. but I don't really buy games often. And if it's ea I'll look at it first

Like planet crafter. Looks neat, has potential but it's not in a state where I'll spend money on it

[night girder]

There is just too many uncertainties with EA it feels. Is it going to get released? When is it going to get released? Do we get all the features they promised us? Etc.

[jagged snow]

I think satisfactory is the only title I've ever purchased in ea

[maiden coyote]

Yeah I personally wait awhile. Satisfactory was one that I didn't wait on.

[night girder]

Do you know Escape From Tarkov? Or the concept of that game?

[maiden coyote]

Powerwash was ea, it's good. Dsp was too, it was a good purchase also

[night girder]

I loved EFT in the first years. The game became so popular in EA. But the problem is, with popularity, comes cheaters and hackers.

And if you know the game, you know losing gear is the most brutal thing ever.

Now imagine that half of the players on your map, use hacks to spot where you are.

[maiden coyote]

I'm familiar with it

[night girder]

And the company/developers refuse to handle it.

[maiden coyote]

That sucks /:

[night girder]

So how is one to know that a title in EA, will get overrun with cheaters, and the company says 🖕 that. We got other shit to do.

It's just one of those examples that made me fed up with early access.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5LfGcDB7Ek

[maiden coyote]

They have whatever anticheat.. but they have to pay for it (the developers)

[night girder]

The hackers use a wiggle, and other hackers can see through walls and all. So if they see other characters wiggle. They know they also hacking.

And they leave eachother alone.

So you got a bunch of hackers, wiggling around, killing players who are trying for real. And stealing all their gear.

And the whole point of the game, is killing people and steal their gear. Since good gear is so rare and hard to get.

[night girder]

Valorant Anti Cheat?

[maiden coyote]

That's just for valorant I think

[night girder]

Faceit!

But gamers don't want to use Faceit. Since it needs root access or something.

But they also don't want to face cheats. But they don't want to use a good anti cheat. Ugh.

[maiden coyote]

But there's a bunch of companies that offer third party anticheat

[night girder]

Faceit.

www.faceit.com/en/anti-cheat#

Punkbuster. Battleye. Easy Anti Cheat.

but the Faceit is promising. But it needs to much access of the computer and people don't trust it.

[maiden coyote]

That too. I think it just boils down to being shitty and fixating on what they want, rather than what makes the customers happy

[night girder]

all the rest is laughable.

Would you give an anti cheat engine full access if that means it will reduce hackers/cheaters to 0.1% for example? - Just a question out of curiosity.

[maiden coyote]

There's server side anticheat too, since it's a multi-player game.. but the devs would have to bake that into their server client

[night girder]

Is that bulletproof?

[maiden coyote]

It's not really my kind of game, so I can't really answer that

[night girder]

Understandable.

[maiden coyote]

Well no, but like seeing people through walls.. don't tell the clients there's someone there

[night girder]

Honestly, I haven't made up my mind on it. Not sure where I stand on the subject of "Strict Anti Cheat vs Privacy"

[maiden coyote]

If the client gets shot dead, have the server tell them they're dead. If they report an invalid state kick them

[night girder]

What if you throw a grenade behind the wall? (blindly, like some people do to fish kills)

[wide void]

Tarkov was fun early on, but yeah the hacking pretty quickly ruined it...

[maiden coyote]

Well the server knows the position of the players, and the grenade, so that'll still work as expected. And honestly that's fair lol

What's not fair is knowing someone's there because your can see through the wall

[night girder]

Interesting idea. I do see some flaws with it and I think those flaws are why it's not server side.

[maiden coyote]

Anti cheat is the superior way. But there are a few ways to combat it without anticheat

[charred pewter]

heh, reminds me of old quake days and people using aimbots and shooting off a rocket at someone who was about the round a corner, so the rocket met them the second they came into view

[night girder]

More communication between clients and servers for example, a.k.a. more latency and more load on servers.

[night girder]

😄

[charred pewter]

i had adapted a habit of stopping short for a half second before stepping around a corner... and seeing a rocket fly by lol

[night girder]

Now quake was just chaos. People just spam stuff 😛

[charred pewter]

after the third rocket, i would call them out for using an aimbot 😉

and still kick their ass

[night girder]

I miss a good arena shooter 😦

[charred pewter]

cause all an aimbot did against a "good" player, is make you more vulnerable due to the way the aimbot was firing FOR you ...

basically turning you into an NPC ... and fighting npcs is always a joke

even those AI ASSISTED ones in STARFIELD 😆

[edgy hazel]

I'm not a troll I swear

[wide void]

I goofed around with the Halo Infinite arena thing for a while, reminiscent of the early UT 2004 stuff

its OK but didn't hold my interest..

[charred pewter]

halo itself was ok, but never held my interest either

[night girder]

the most modern one I remember was overwatch. And not 2. Because overwatch 2 is just 1.

[wide void]

never tried Overwatch actually, felt a lot like Fortnite to me at release

[night girder]

How? One game let's you build shit and is a battle royale.

While the other one let's you not built stuff, but gives you abilities specific to a character and is a 6v6

only thing they got in common is the graphics and both shooters. But that kinda is it?

[wide void]

more in player attitude I think, than gameplay

[night girder]

oh, can't argue that 🤣

[wanton orchid]

I mean I bought satis because I knew it was fun already

[night girder]

Well, if you can predict the future sure.

But most people don't have precognition and have to play a game in order to establish it's fun or not. Gameplay or just videos of a game are highly misleading.

Remember when the division showed up on E3 2013?

[wanton orchid]

wdym, I said already wtf

[night girder]

Yes. You bought it because you know already (beforehand) it was fun.

How can you beforehand know if a game is fun? 😒

[wanton orchid]

I didnt say I was basing myself off official trailer or anything

[night girder]

Ok, then what did you based it on?

[wanton orchid]

I looked up actual testing/gameplays

[night girder]

🤦‍♂️

[wanton orchid]

and evaluated that it was enough for me having fun or not

[night girder]

my points standing.

[wanton orchid]

what point ?

[night girder]

" Gameplay or just videos of a game are highly misleading."

but to each their own.

[wanton orchid]

official demo yes, actual gameplay of normal downloaded versions not so much

[twin dew]

Difference if the video is from the studio, or from some random person playing the real product.

[wanton orchid]

I'm not talking about a cutted thing

but about the raw gameplay

[night girder]

Not really. Just think what you just said.

[maiden coyote]

You can sorta guage a game as to if it's your kind of game or not

[wanton orchid]

^

[night girder]

Nobody heard of people getting paid to hype games? Without telling the viewers they getting sponsored. Must be just me 🤔

[jagged snow]

I've heard of scandals like that

Usually doesn't go over too well

[maiden coyote]

I went off the official trailers of satisfactory... and my gf being like we should play this together.. it was mostly her decision

[wanton orchid]

if the guy use hoverpack and says it sometimes sucks and you see it 30fps and you know your pc is at least as powerful and you get how the hoverpack is controled, and you tell yourself "that's enough for the price for me"
then you can't be deceived

[night girder]

Here a recent game that got hyped a lot. Now has barely 5k players left. After a few months.

[wanton orchid]

who the fuck talk about what some youtuber SAYS, I'm talking about actual state of the game

[wide void]

Starfield?

[night girder]

No 😄

[wide void]

lol

[maiden coyote]

But like starfield, hey it looked awesome. Skyrim in space, sure that's my thing.. but I decided to wait until after launch... because of my experience with cyberpunk

[jagged snow]

Oh that's not nearly as bad as some I've seen

[night girder]

And I am saying, how the fuck do you know the state of the game without laying your OWN hands on it? I hear your arguments. Videos. Other people. I don't trust them fully. They are good resources. But I've seen overhyping a lot.

[wanton orchid]

"looked awesome" imply you are expecting "obvious" out of what you see
I'm talking about evaluating what is seen DIRECTLY

[jagged snow]

Started off with over 12k concurrents and lost them in a few weeks

[night girder]

I just miss the old days where I bought a PS2 magazine and I got a bunch of demo's with it.

[maiden coyote]

Games on disc's in general

[night girder]

It was simple. It worked. Less trickery.

Ofcourse they put the most fun mission in the demo. Or they put extra effort in the start area of the game. Those were the old tricks.

[wanton orchid]

again, I'm not talking about anything expected outside the video use, I'm talking about what's in the video, you will not download a game and it have less feature than someone else exact same steam library store normal downloaded game

[night girder]

But I felt less deceived then I do lately with EA titles.

[twin dew]

Which is why some publishers know that warez is good for business if the game is good.

[night girder]

I want to post a big troll face. And while you are technically correct. We had instances that people got a build of a game with extra's built into it.

[wanton orchid]

but you can cross check that

[night girder]

mostly those are big YT names or whatever and they get character looking like them (specially baked into their build).

[wanton orchid]

Yes I do cross checking, and yes I suspect most video be sponsored, but there are things that can't be faked

[maiden coyote]

At that point just buy the game. Steam gives you two hours to refund if

[wanton orchid]

I dont check big youtubers names, these are often highly cut videos

[dusk rivet]

takes a couple days usually to get the funds back tho

[night girder]

I just put EA on my ignore list. Life simple.

[night girder]

Stuck in your wallet no?

Or can you refund it directly to your bank account? I never refund 😄

[dusk rivet]

i want to say there’s an option to return it to the account used to spend it

i personally only ever refunded to my wallet tho

got the funds back in my wallet like 30 hours after submitting the application, then the funds were “quarantined” for 24 hours

[wanton orchid]

gameplay can't be faked mostly when you have it tested live on not mainstream streamers, and you ask to test some features and the streamer do

[maiden coyote]

It's too bad EA killed simcity the way they did

[wanton orchid]

or when letsplay is too long and complicated to be rendered without using actual code

[maiden coyote]

I don't think I've ever refunded a steam purchase either

[wanton orchid]

waiting for Electronic Art to have a team rebuild a whole game stage just to render a marketing trailer and have another team do the game code worse

these fuckers are able to do such stupidity

[maiden coyote]

If EA messes up the new Sims they're going to be in trouble.

[night girder]

Sims is a dead series to me.

Because of that shit 🤣

And then they made the base game free I think?

I did have a lot of fun with the sims on my PS2

[wanton orchid]

what game do you play ?
: sims4

EA is apple gaming

[maiden coyote]

It's only 1500 or something like that to buy it all lol

American Truck simulator/ets2 are two other very expensive games

I've probably spent $600 on both of them lol

[jagged snow]

In the latest DLC, EA has introduced bail payments! Now, when your Sims end up in jail you can pay to bail them out!

[night girder]

simdollars?

[jagged snow]

No, it'd definitely be real money

[dusk rivet]

i buy games on steam whenever possible

only ever buy from epic games if it’s only offered there

[night girder]

love how we went from EA to EA

[maiden coyote]

Yup

Can't tell which is which anymore

But some of the dlc stuff is smart, you get a customer to buy the game, release a $ 5-10 dlc a couple months later, a few mourns later release another..

[tough owl]

https://tenor.com/view/healthy-warrior-lifestyle-da-icebox-hearthstone-heritage-peace-of-mind-placements-vegas-herbalife-nutrition-gif-27671695

[maiden coyote]

It looks really bad in a year or two, but your customers that buy the dlcs don't really notice lol

With Sims and ats/ets2 at least you've gotten content from your purchase. Vs buying spins or whatever

[edgy hazel]

yeah but at some point you should just bundle them with base

[maiden coyote]

Absolutely. I've got a friend who's probably spent at least 2 grand on genshin impact.

[edgy hazel]

oh genshin and stuff like that shouldn't exist like it does

these kind of games should 100% be subject to gambling laws

[maiden coyote]

I think ats and ets2 do bundle occasionally.

I don't know about the Sims.

I felt sick when he told me how much he dropped in that game. I'm like you could've bought a 4090

[tough owl]

but my 2d women(they love me)

[night girder]

I played Genshin Impact. Paid 0 for it. And glad I didn't. Because in the end. That game was totally not for me.

[tough owl]

in a million years would I assume youd play a gatcha game

[edgy hazel]

Ima be honest I got like 1k€ in warframe...

[night girder]

The grind is bad enough already, but then you also have to deal with clunky ass movement and a generic fight system.

So you stuck in this (in my opinion) average game, and the game wants you to grind for thousands of hours? No thank you.

[maiden coyote]

That thousand hour satisfactory grind tho ♡

[night girder]

And the story and interaction between characters in Genshin is forgetable. I don't understand how it got so much love? 😒

[night girder]

You mean, turn on PC, boot game, let the game grind for itself 😄

[maiden coyote]

Hey, I've spent almost 2k hours in a save before lol

[night girder]

That's what I love about Satisfactory. You can spend 100 hours building a factory. But if you do it good, this will payback.

It feels the time investing in building factories, rewards you very nicely.

While in other games, the reward is like a tiny +0.5% damage for example.

[edgy hazel]

[maiden coyote]

I aorta wish kind of wish phone games didn't exist now. Angry birds was cool. Templrun was cool, and disney monopoly was awesome ( they've removed it from the store and it doesn't exist anymore) outside of those.. I don't use my phone for games

You can see your factory work, you can share your save with others so they can see it too.

It's very rewarding. The last game I played that had a grind was guildwars, and you did that grind with other people so it was fun

[sharp oasis]

Another one.

[jagged snow]

Bethesda's Stagnation... that's a good way to put it

That's crazy

Even more interesting that it seems to be happening when I'm actively conversing

[sharp oasis]

Damn discord Ai is actually kinda fucken scary

[maiden coyote]

Ai is scary period

[jagged snow]

Very much so

[sharp oasis]

Well I'm assuming it's gathering more data based in n who I interact with often here Id assume

Hence why it's when you guys are talking abt something I get the reccomended combo ping

[jagged snow]

Or the fact that i'm on your friends list

[maiden coyote]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v-4T-ACzKBE

[sharp oasis]

That too

[night girder]

🤣

[maiden coyote]

Chatgpt generated commercial

[night girder]

Is that how AI "sees" us?

[sharp oasis]

Wait yeah that makes sense @jagged snow

[jagged snow]

I figured

[sharp oasis]

It's cus your on my freinds list

[night girder]

Haha, "Does the pope shit in the woods?" 🤣

[sharp oasis]

There's been two reccomended pings with you in them

[edgy hazel]

I need a ford mundo ima be honest

[night girder]

that commercial got me tears in my eyes 🤣

[sharp oasis]

Probably matching something based on message history and Freinds list

[maiden coyote]

It's hilarious and scary at the same time. They've got ai composed music too.

[sharp oasis]

Ayo tf

That's not supposed to be like that

Why is it green.

[maiden coyote]

With all the ai this and ai that it really is starting to feel like the end

Like soon ai is going to be trying to hack into your network

[sharp oasis]

Bruh OK. Restarting discord several times does not help

[night girder]

I just funny how awfully that commercial is 🤣

It's so bad, it's actually good. Like watching a B movie.

[sharp oasis]

It's a recent bugged update to discord

Breaking AMOLED dark mode

[night girder]

Just an update about the crashing: just happened again. So it's not the pagefile size.

[edgy hazel]

Updaet time

[night girder]

ooh nice.

There are two new versions out for my mobo. But I don't know if I should do it.

[edgy hazel]

Not me trying to get 3000MHz to work

Let me iiiiinnnnn

Under 1V won't work

[dire igloo]

Imagine not being able to just click "enable XMP" on your mixed and matched RAM

[edgy hazel]

That'd suck

[dire igloo]

Couldn't be me

[edgy hazel]

Absolutely you'd be smarter than to do something like that

[dire igloo]

If it's stupid but it works it ain't stupid

[edgy hazel]

well.. it doesn't work tho

[charred pewter]

for an external SSD .... is this good?

thats my new Crucial MX500 SSD i got ...

[dire igloo]

Works for me 🤷

[edgy hazel]

does XMP work?

[dire igloo]

No idea. It's about 40% of SATA sequential speed, but could be any reason

[dire igloo]

Yup

Default xmp profile, default xmp timings, works fine

[edgy hazel]

me waiting for the benchmark to be done

[charred pewter]

why are there boils on the hood

[edgy hazel]

I guess those are planets

[charred pewter]

its really kind of sickening 😄

[wanton orchid]

external ?

[charred pewter]

its in a USB to SATA enclosure

[wanton orchid]

how are you connecting it ?
are you the one with usb issues ?
usb 3 can go up to ~450MB/s

[charred pewter]

USB-C 3.0 to USB-A 2.0 to SATA

[wanton orchid]

what

USB 2 is 50MB/s max

[charred pewter]

sorry... its all usb 3.0

but just cause the connection can go up to that, doesnt mean the SSD itself can

[wanton orchid]

maybe you had lot of small files

[charred pewter]

over half a million files across 120 gb

that image was from the backup result ... which does a full dupe to the drive

[wanton orchid]

these ssd for large file are made to throttle at sata speed : ~ 550MB/s

[charred pewter]

so instead of running a 'benchmarker' app ... i just pulled a 'real world usage' and was wondering if that was a good number

[wanton orchid]

it these is not reproduced "real world" then numbers does not mean anything

[charred pewter]

honestly, to be fair.... i set it to dupe my drive, and went downstairs to put some things away, and when i came back everything was done ... and i was like 'what, already?' ... my old Kingston SSD seemed to take hours to do a full backup

[wanton orchid]

this real world depends how much small files you have

it could go down to few MB/s if it's only small files

[charred pewter]

512,000 files copied ... macos has a TON of tiny files all over the flippen place 😄

so for example, my images directory (which is probably the 'biggest single files' i have...) makes up 20% of the overall disk space

and thats across ... uh... come up calculate

4000 files total ish

(all ranging 2-5mb each) ...

heh ... all my photos/images (4000 of them) are taking only about 8gb of my 120 gb total ?

geezus, macos... wheres all the other shit then

(no games installed)

[wanton orchid]

for small files you hit a latency ceiling for filesystem operations
it basically only check storage multiples times and have do go through the whole usb driver enclosure driver then backward each time

[charred pewter]

right

this ssd is supposed to have dram, but im not sure if it really matters in this situation of use

[wanton orchid]

it does not matter
dram increase write/read speed and on drive latency
it can't do anything about usb and driver latency

[charred pewter]

👍

given its now only for backups and time machine ... i shouldnt really be too bothered and mainly just care about longevity instead (dont want it dying in just 1 year of use lol)

[wanton orchid]

especially for filesystem operations
these are not bulk operations

it can only be done one after the other

[charred pewter]

i guess if i was using it to build and process large video files, it would matter more

thankfully im not an influencer ! YAY

[wanton orchid]

in what way ?

[charred pewter]

video files are huge, and processing them to disk, and reading them in again, shuffling them around/saving/editing/deleting ... helps to have a fast disk no?

[wanton orchid]

fastest M.2

for a reason

[wanton orchid]

for huge files yours should be faster

[dire igloo]

List lacks sabrent drives tbh

[wanton orchid]

i.e : at 4k latest m.2 ssd are not faster than yours

[dire igloo]

Yes, absolutely

[wanton orchid]

unrelevant to the conversation

[dire igloo]

Eeeeeh, just wanted to flex

Your chart doesn't even cover the majority of good value good performance SSDs

[wanton orchid]

if you want to check max speed
then copy a single big file

[dire igloo]

A440 Pro, MP44L, NM790, NM710, KC3000, etc

[wanton orchid]

I don't care about good value here

[dire igloo]

All those SSDs that I sent are at least mid end, most of them high end

I just mentioned they're good value cuz they tend to be the least expensive high-ish end SSDs

[wanton orchid]

the goal was to show even big m.2 latest ssds does not go over 300MB/s at 4k qd1

[dire igloo]

If you want maximum performance, SK Hynix P41 Platinum, Solidigm P44 Pro or any non-T700 E26 drive with a Gen5 board and CPU

[wanton orchid]

and I don't care about good value here
nor sustained high speed
we were talking about the speed for small files

[dire igloo]

Hm, fair

[dire igloo]

Yeah, I lacked this for context.
I was in the "what if" world

[wanton orchid]

btw building is with a lot of small files

you usually prefer ramdisk for latency drop

fast m.2 are only useful if you build big projects with a lot of cores

so on workstations

because they are only faster at 4k qdX not 4k qd1

btw I like icy box enclosures
can go up 100 000 iops
and pull almost 950MB/s on usb 3.2 (10G)

btw I'm searching good usb c cables
seems there are only charger low speed cables

[gilded helm]

Deals on USB cables which aren't min spec can be hard to come by, I didn't see any in the past week

[gilded helm]

3A is the max spec on a USB-A to USB-C cable I'd want, right?

https://www.newegg.com/p/0S8-014F-001W8?Item=9SIACCUAHS3047

THinking about those for my LG V60.

[gilded helm]

Anker tends to be solid, but it feels sketchy because it mentions Quick Charge without a version.

[wanton orchid]

I'm talking 240W but only 2.0

[winged valley]

I have a pentium mini pc that I threw a touchscreen onto, but what if I 3d printed a chassis for it, threw a laptop battery in, and called it a tablet

Problem is - I do not know how to wire that, like I have a couple ideas as to how but idk

[stray badger]

people have done that with RPIs before, its probably a similar process

[sharp oasis]

Hold on. So.

My pc has decided

It can power itself on

Like

It's even in event viewer

I put it to sleep

And then not a moment later

It powers itself on

[jagged snow]

Oh yeah, that's an issue that pops up sometimes

It's usually caused by software for a usb peripheral

[sharp oasis]

Ahh

[jagged snow]

Corsair, razer, logi, all of them have had it at one point or another

[sharp oasis]

Normally it doesn't wake if I do anything to usb shit

So it somehow has to be software

[jagged snow]

Oh that's also not normal

You should be able to wake it up by tapping any keyboard button

[sharp oasis]

I can wake the keyboard

But the system will remain in sleep

[jagged snow]

Oh that's not normal

[sharp oasis]

It's in a bit of a mess atm as I had to do emergency OS repair

/bios resets bc of too fast ram ocs

[jagged snow]

Do you have wake on usb turned off?

[jagged snow]

Save presets my man

[sharp oasis]

@jagged snow

It appears it's randomly starting itself frequently

And then going back to sleep

Nothing in system log

[jagged snow]

I'd just reinstall windows tbh

[sharp oasis]

This is a clean intsall

The fuck

Well I can re do the install again

[sharp oasis]

@jagged snow

Clean install

It turned itself on

And then back off

Within 3 sec of powering on

[edgy hazel]

I hate this

[tough owl]

Most common town in Germany

[wanton orchid]

you can disabled planned wake up
Microsoft like that shit but it's just not used for good things

in bios

[rotund hamlet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZpZwunMzuE

[narrow folio]

www.bluetooth.com/learn-about-bluetooth/key-attributes/bluetooth-security/bluffs-vulnerability/

BT has a bit of a headache right now

[wanton orchid]

not so much as any of the 2 peers can control that behavior
any driver update will fix it
will probably land in Linux kernel next month for instance

[narrow folio]

true, everything that can receive an update will hopefully get a fix rather quickly

[twin dew]

Android Phones? In your dreams...

[narrow folio]

depends on what android phone you are talking about

more recent ones should get a fix.

but if you have some cheap or/and old one don't get your hopes up
better install linageos if supported

[twin dew]

Most user made releases use the stock kernels, so no help there.

AFAIK.

In theory someone could backport the fix to the exact version the stock kernel uses, and compile the free bits again, and bolt the closed source driver package to it again.

[wanton orchid]

I wish android phone was running distribution like packaging

[twin dew]

Even proper ongoing closed source driver support would be improvement.
Open sourcing the drivers and including them in the kernel...

Even the phone makers don't get the driver source...

[wanton orchid]

not getting the driver source is a thing
not allowing to package the closed source driver blobs into custom system is heresy

[twin dew]

Problem is that the closed source driver blob is just for one kernel version.

Because Linux Kernel driver ABI isn't stable.

[wanton orchid]

for instance Nvidia proprietary Linux kernel drivers are enabled to be built as module for any kernel version

I didn't say as drop in
but at least so you can build the module blob yourself

currently doing this in Linux is called dkms packages

the none blob part of the module must be open source though

[twin dew]

IIRC Nvidia does that with semi-open-source SHIM that gets compiled with DKMS.
That interprets between the kernel and the closed source blob.

[wanton orchid]

so it can be adapted for any kernel

the blob just have it's own low level interface

but it's already developed like that normally

[twin dew]

DKMS is just way to automate compiling of out-of-mainline driver source when kernel is updated.

[wanton orchid]

you first expose the peripheral capabilities with your blob
then implement that capabilities in the kernel current abi (open source part)

[twin dew]

And unfortunately Qualcomm and other ARM mobile chip makers actively resist anything like that.

[wanton orchid]

and it's lame

[twin dew]

They like their forced obsolescence.

[wanton orchid]

it's actually against law
but lawyer are still lagging in the head
selling you a product you don't have control over and keeping exclusive remote control of it is literally balantly against any sane trading law

they don't sell phones as useless piece of complex stack of metal
but as useful feature full piece of hardware
so you literally BUY that
if you then can't use it as your exclusive private will
then it's a scam

[twin dew]

Almost everything you buy has locked firmware & software?
Doesn't limit using.
Just in case of unsupported phones, make it security risk.

And US has provisions that make hacking any such protection, no matter how trivial to do, illegal.
Unless part of specific exemptions that are decided by Library of Congress every few years.

And even for the exempted, it cannot be done by someone else, and releasing howto information etc. is still illegal.

[wanton orchid]

expect it does limit using sometimes and these times are wrong

and if you are actively allowing industry to abuse these methodologies to obviously end up in such bad cases/times then you are corrupt

enforcing hardware provider to provide binary interface bare blob resource does not make it harder for them, a blob which is itself locked ofcourse nothing wrong yet

but enforcing that does make it harder for scammers