off-topic-tech

[gilded helm]

I glance all sorts of wacky stuff in the tweakers sections of those places.

If nothing else you can probably flash your 3050 Ti to its highest possible power limit.

[winged valley]

well laptop 3050TI is just a downbinned/undervolted GA107 isn't it?

[gilded helm]

Sounds right

[winged valley]

Or is the GA107 exclusively that GPU? Too lazy to check myself and you seem to know

[gilded helm]

I think 3050 is lesser 107, 3050 Ti is full 107. Couldn't swear to it

[winged valley]

Hmm

Its on a 128 bit bus too

That should be able to handle 8GB, if not then def 6

[gilded helm]

But now Nvidia rereleased another version of the 3050 Ti laptop with Lovelace which has 8GB

[winged valley]

Mines ampere

Intel 12th gen

[gilded helm]

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-3050-ti-mobile.c3778

[winged valley]

Oh and actually that's something that really annoys me

[gilded helm]

Techpowerup is pretty good at capturing the specs like this

[winged valley]

Supposedly, my laptop has a 12700H. However the die is identified as a 12500????????????

[gilded helm]

What's the exact laptop?

[winged valley]

Does intel upbin desktop 12500 to laptop 12700 or is MSI scamming me?

MSI A12UDT

[winged valley]

When I say this, I'm referring to how most tools identify it as a 12700H, however another tool i've got (forgot its name and its on a flash drive at work) reports its CPUID as 12700H, but also reports "CPU Die: 12500"

[gilded helm]

WHen I look that laptop model up I see its CPU as 1260P. Maybe there are other configurations? I'm on a Lenovo, so I'm not sure what could be going on there.

[winged valley]

?

That makes no sense

The site at least used to say 12700H, task manager and HWM also say 12700H

This is bizzare

[winged valley]

There's the A12UCT but that also has the same CPU

[gilded helm]

This is what I'm looking at, a couple store pages have the same CPU

[winged valley]

remove the h in https

[gilded helm]

us.msi.com/Business-Productivity/Summit-E16-Flip-A12UX/Specification

[winged valley]

Yep that's the site i'm referring to

[gilded helm]

I'd look for an MSI Discord and ask there. Pretty sure one exists. Now that I have my current daily driver, I only loosely follow laptops.

The Laptop Wiki server might also be good. It was originally focused on Lenovo but I'm pretty sure it branched out

[stray badger]

Just by the name i assume it is probably the 1260p

[sharp oasis]

Doubt 2gbps most hdds only do slightly. Above 1gbps

[dire igloo]

Ah, fckn hell, link white list.
Sorry for ghost ping, herg.

www.borncity.com/blog/2023/11/22/datenleck-beim-bauhaus-shop-verriet-bestellungen-von-plus-card-inhabern/

TLDR for the non-German speakers:
A German hardware store (Bauhaus) has a "PlusCard" membership for enterprise customers.
The billing info for orders made by PlusCard members was readily available via search engines, primarily bing.

When they were contacted directly via the contact option on their website, nothing happened.

Once this researcher contacted the state's data protection officer and the data protection responsible at Bauhaus, the bug releasing that info was patched almost immediately.
The results were still available via Bing Cache AND via Bing chat. Another email to those two people later and that too was fixed.

[wide void]

damn them, Black Friday deal and I caved on not upgrading my phone yet, lol

[twin dew]

Was it even real deal, or just "deal".

[wide void]

half price on a handset that is only a few months old, 'Feels' like a deal

granted the retail is normally overblown anyway

[twin dew]

But what was the price month ago compared to today?

Not compared to what was the listed as "normal" price today.

[wide void]

its still £1400 on Samsungs website

£600 on somewhere called tysmarket, but that feels scammy, lol

[dire igloo]

Bought my phone 6 weeks ago, it's 70€ less now and you get headphones with them

[night girder]

I really need to replace my iphone 6S. battery life is at 69%

[dire igloo]

Nice

[night girder]

Iphone 12 seems to have a nice price.

[edgy hazel]

you're still rocking a 6?

nic e

[night girder]

it still works, battery life is a bit meh.

oh and the home button is broke.

[edgy hazel]

feeling battery on my 9s too

[night girder]

I just don't want to pay 1K for brand new iPhone 😒

so looking around with the black friday deals.

[edgy hazel]

come team android

[night girder]

Iphone 12 more expensive than 15

[dire igloo]

No longer produced. Low supply = high price

[night girder]

Yeah, fuck that 🤣

Kinda sad to see iphone models and their improvements next to eachother.

[charred pewter]

next up, iphone with 8gb ram

[twin dew]

Already started cursing about forgetting to turn the dishwasher on again today.
And then remembered I did run it this morning after breakfast \o/

[night girder]

if it only took such small things to bright up my day 🤣

[charred pewter]

kitty nuzzling up next to me is all it takes to brighten my day

[twin dew]

Don't melt too much.

Dying is bad, mmmkay?

[twin dew]

Someone on QA site was running Satisfactory Dedicated server on Penryn based Xeon from 2007... Just why?! 2.83GHz max clocks...

[maiden coyote]

Why not lol

[twin dew]

I don't even want to know how slow the game is on that kind of CPU...

[maiden coyote]

I've seen people try to make it run on a rpi4 too

[twin dew]

But got confirmation that UE5.2 U8 needs AVX1 too, and not just SSE4.1.

Because that CPU has SSE4.2, but no AVX.

Phenom IIs are missing SSE4.1, 4.2 and AVX.
So couldn't be sure which was the sticking point.

Dedi needs everything normal P2P hosting needs, just no need for GPU.

Runs the factory and the first players near sphere (like SP), and then near spheres for each additional client too (like P2P host)

And that second player drops the FPS on the P2P host to 75-50% of previous one if CPU limited.

So you want the dedi to be the best CPU.

[maiden coyote]

Unless you just want it to launch on a potato for fun

[twin dew]

Not that good for Satisfactory dedi.
Too many threads, not high enough single-core.

[maiden coyote]

The new tr pro is a beast

[twin dew]

Yes, for multicore loads.

[maiden coyote]

In both multi and single

[twin dew]

It has pretty good SP, but not world shattering.

[maiden coyote]

It beats my 5800x for single thread

[twin dew]

So it doesn't suffer, but way overpriced if you just use the SP.

[maiden coyote]

So like if you had the money for that 10k tr pro.. you could start your own hosting service lol

I run my dedi on a i7 7700 I think.. It runs fine, and I've probably got enough headroom to host a second dedi

I'm not really sure how many threads the dedicated server wants though.. I'd like to host a second server but not if it'll tank performance of the other

[night girder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH5F73qPtQQ

[sterile plinth]

www.ebay.com/itm/305280879089?hash=item47142889f1%3Ag%3AuUkAAOSw32dkVBpL&LH_BIN=1&LH_ItemCondition=1000|1500|2010|3000|2020

www.ebay.com/itm/404622800939?epid=12043529587&hash=item5e3565f82b%3Ag%3Abt8AAOSwuENlU2vX&LH_BIN=1&LH_ItemCondition=1000|1500|2010|3000|2020

www.ebay.com/itm/276099675088?epid=21042851551&hash=item4048d2b3d0%3Ag%3ApMcAAOSwSWpj-cAp&LH_BIN=1&LH_ItemCondition=1000|1500|2010|3000|2020

www.ebay.com/itm/404627379646?epid=6044499437&hash=item5e35abd5be%3Ag%3AHCQAAOSwTqZlViHL&LH_BIN=1&LH_ItemCondition=1000|1500|2010|3000|2020

which one of these listings should I buy? They're all Logitech superlights with little difference

like one is new but a bit more costly than the others, and another one comes with skates preinstalled

[night girder]

It's start with apple locking their devices with special screws.

So one cannot just open up a laptop and clean it out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentalobe_screw

They* are stubborn and pridefull.

wont admit if they made design choices.

wont change their bad design choices.

[jagged snow]

Watching apple ads with my non techy friends is one of the most painful things

[night girder]

I was looking into the iphones. But the specs only slightly chance for an extra 100-200 euro's between models

At the moment it looks like an iphone 12 is decent and somewhat in my price range, still 600 euro's for a phone is a lot. I bought 6S second hand for 300.

[twin dew]

But anyways, the new ethernet cable I made worked at least at 1Gbit/s and Intel LAN diagnostic software on 1Gbit card said the quality was excellent, even when there was cheap & old extension block and another cable connected to extend it to the switch.

[night girder]

and it used to be that iphone and macbook had seamless integration. Those days are gone now too.

[twin dew]

Because it is built partially into the apartment structure and the connectors could only be added when it was in place.

[night girder]

These days, if I plug in my iphone, before it can sync to my macbook. I need to enter a pincode on my phone.

Else the iphone wont sync with my macbook 🤷‍♂️ So every single god dam time, I gotta enter a pincode.

[twin dew]

For a good reason.

[night girder]

It's how apple fixes their security issues.

Yeah believe whatever you want. If you think this is a good reason.

Can't fix security in their own OS. Let's annoye consumer with pincode. Nice fix.

And the whole thing "apple works with apple" is total gone.

btw Maxeek.

[twin dew]

That is universal issue?
With any device?
That if it allows data connection without unlocking, it can be just hoovered of data by just plugging it in to suitable device?

[night girder]

It's dumb asfuck. Never had to do it with android 🤷‍♂️ Bro, it's my iphone. Instead that the iphone checks the icloud of thje laptop. And the icloud of the iphone. If account match = good to go.

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/rogue-one-verge-of-greatness-gif-13754250

[twin dew]

Too old Android.

[night girder]

It always worked. But because of one zero day we UX went back to mediaval times.

discussions.apple.com/thread/254333181

Users even don't to recognize it as a feature.

"This is a new security measure. Investigators found that a hacker who had access to the computer used for backing up an iOS device could force a backup to an unprotected location on the computer, where it could then be downloaded and its contents compromised. So the “trust” requirement was added to verify that the phone’s owner was initiating the backup. "

I guess it's developed by the same Junior kade spoke about. Who write a try loop around a service to see if it was up, and then kill that service over and over again.

[edgy hazel]

yeah plugging in a phone or something like that should always require pin entry for the phone. Everything else is just dangerous

[night girder]

👆

[tough owl]

What about it

[night girder]

It just cripples their own marketing strategy. "Apple works with apple products out of the box". And it used to be the case. I now have to do more stuff to sync my iphone than 5-6 years ago.

[mental oriole]

Todays dilemma...

[night girder]

I used to be able to manage it all with iTunes, pretty much automatically. But then they killed iTunes. Moved partyle of the iphone management to finder.

[mental oriole]

printf made my code faster...

[night girder]

But you can also still see your iphone in Music.app. Just not configure it. You have to do that in finder for some reason 🤷‍♂️

[maiden coyote]

Trying to get pictures from an iPhone to anything but another iPhone is bullshit

[night girder]

Yeah, didn't you enjoy playing it?

[maiden coyote]

Have to either email it, text it and it'll be low quality... or use the windows photo app...

[night girder]

Ah my bad. Sorry then I mistaken you for someone else.

[maiden coyote]

Which is also garbage

[night girder]

just air drop it

oh wait ...

[maiden coyote]

Almost everything else can push files over bluetooth..

It's 2023, you own nothing, at least make it slightly less painful while they tell me it's for my security

It's sad that the only piece of tech I can buy, that I actually feel like I own is a raspberry pi

[night girder]

mhm ...

PinePhone?

[maiden coyote]

With pc stuff and uefi, shit like armory crate really makes me feel like I don't own that stuff anymore.

[night girder]

armory crate hit a big nerve to me.

That shit made me despise all 3rd party software almost 🤣

[mental oriole]

I have nightmares from that.

[stray badger]

RPI is so good

[night girder]

shit should be illigal

[mental oriole]

It legit fucked up my pc.

[maiden coyote]

We've pretty much lost the phone market.

[mental oriole]

I was lucky was able to uninstall it and fix it...

[night girder]

yeah, almost impossible to convice the average consumer to buy linux phones

[maiden coyote]

What also upset me was when I found out about IME. There's a whole computer running on my pc that I don't have access too

[night girder]

ignorance is bliss they say?

[maiden coyote]

If we get right to repair and schematics for phones and everything else, even if the software stays locked down.. I'd still count that as a win

Schematics for stuff like this would be nice. This is a turbo vct out of a Cummings engine. It has 2 atmel soc's on it and it was hit by lighting. So far the only thing blown I can find is the cam transceiver ic

Graphene os for phones looked neat, I think louis had issues with it tho

Apple good

[edgy hazel]

that's because all iphone browsers are safari reskins

[tough owl]

yea

webkit my beloved

[maiden coyote]

No adblock on ios

[cyan crescent]

Is an m.2 wd black any good?

[twin dew]

And I just tried to stick A-C USB cables C end into chargers A port...

[night girder]

what WD black?

770? SN850X?

[charred pewter]

so my mother has an old APC UPS ... when plugging it in and pushing its button, it just screams EEERRREEEEEEAAEEERRRREEEEEEE ....

horrific sound

[night girder]

Sure it's not an air alarm?

[twin dew]

Failed battery.

[charred pewter]

its pretty loud

[twin dew]

Yes, to not be ignored in data center levels of noise.

As UPS without working battery is more dangerous situation than not having UPS at all.

[charred pewter]

if i want to use it, i'll buy another battery and see if the unit is fine... but right now i think im good for all my devices

[twin dew]

And you can also just silence it and see if it charges or not.

Probably not.

[night girder]

Samsung. Lexar. WD. 2TB drives. Look at the "prijs per GB" -> price for a GB.

It can help you in figuring out the right SSD for you.

[dire igloo]

Depends on price, alternatives and what model of WD Black it is
Where do you live?

[night girder]

Then the nexty thing to do is. Look up reviews of the product?

[charred pewter]

it had been off and unplugged for a couple years cause she had stopped using the tv in the room it was in so she just unpluged it

[cyan crescent]

I dont trust any samsung 990

[night girder]

I got a Lexar. So happy with it.

[dire igloo]

Eh, they're fine. Just overpriced af

[cyan crescent]

And im looking at 4tb

[night girder]

price/quality is really good imo 👍

[dire igloo]

Models please

[night girder]

790

[dire igloo]

Lexar NM790 is great value in a lot of places

[dire igloo]

Got that one too, dope stuff

[night girder]

😄

[dire igloo]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27_j9NDPU3cNlj2HKcrfpJKHkOf-Oi1DbuuQva2gT4/htmlview#gid=0

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1f5GDPSCtJQap8wZeDhxMwTN7jyy0UtLWqqpS7w9xZ30/htmlview

My SSD almanacs

[night girder]

Neat!

WD Black SN850X (without heatsink) 4TB, cheapest in my country is € 279.

1x 790 - 2TB is 99 euro. So for 4TB it would be 200 euro (cheaper than WD). If you have spare m2 slot.

So many options. But yeah, fireworker said most important stuff 😛

[dire igloo]

nvm, I got the 4TB version, was 200€

[winged valley]

Lexar, thats a name I have heard before but am unfamiliar with

What controller/nand does that use?

[winged valley]

Is the Samsung PM893 in there?

TLC SATA SSD that goes up to 8GB

[twin dew]

That is enterprise gear:

[winged valley]

Their highest consumer SATA SSD is the QVO

[twin dew]

Which has good and bad points.

[winged valley]

Its marketed as enterprise but is at a consumer pricepont

[twin dew]

I have four of them at low capacity for server.

[winged valley]

TLC nand as opposed to their QVO for consumer (QLC)

How do they perform?

Also I'd just be using them for Lancache on a 2.5G network so if they can't saturate 2.5G then they aren't worth being called SSD's

[twin dew]

550MB/s or so for copying etc. basic stuff.
Don't think I ran any real SSD benchmarks on them yet.

[winged valley]

Oh sounds like they work fine then

[night girder]

790 uses a Micron nand. (according the excel).

[dire igloo]

Nope, only the common consumer stuff

[twin dew]

The specs are pretty accurate.

[winged valley]

I'm interested in them because they're the only SATA SSD I found that goes up to 8TB and doesn't use QLC

I do not want to use QLC in a server

[dire igloo]

They make a ton of storage stuff

[winged valley]

What are the bad points?

[dire igloo]

MAP1602, but with some funky tuning.
It basically allocates the entire drive as SLC cache

[dire igloo]

There's not really an RMA process

[winged valley]

That's

Strange design

[twin dew]

download.semiconductor.samsung.com/resources/data-sheet/Samsung_SSD_PM893_Data_Sheet_Rev1.0.pdf

[winged valley]

I would expect enterprise to have a better RMA process than consumer

[winged valley]

I said strange not bad, those are some pretty nice stats tho

[twin dew]

No idea,
Seemed pretty great for the price.
Competitive TBW, Power loss protection.
Ok performance.

Needed cheap SSDs for project so got two pairs of 480GB ones for RAID-1

[dire igloo]

Just showing how well it works

That faint blue line is a crucial t700, Phison E26 Gen5 drive

[winged valley]

Sounds perfect for me then because I can't afford SAS and I need high density SATA SSD's because I have limited ports and would like to avoid using an addin card

And while I have 3 m.2 slots, those are already allocated to VMs

I swear one day I will make a gaming pc with the 1TB U.2 3D XPOINT Optane drive as boot drive

Just to say I did

[twin dew]

Good luck, as the production of the stuff ended years ago at this point.
For the chips.

[winged valley]

Yeah

I can get one on newegg for like 1k

Prohibitively expensive

If I can't get my hands on 3DXPOINT by the time i'm ready for it then I'll have to move on to the only thing thats faster which is a RAM SSD

But that's like 3x more expensive from what i've seen

Speaking of RAM, a client's custom built PC has at least one bad 32GB stick of DDR4, I'm gonna use it as practice and replace packages on it in order to save it, or at least try to

[tough owl]

https://a.co/d/jdVqNSs

4tb for sub $160

because thats how I was taught to do it

[twin dew]

More in general.

[edgy hazel]

euro sign comes after yes

[night girder]

Dont ask Maxeek 🤣 - Somebody wanted to special.

[edgy hazel]

iirc correctly tho GB uses the pound before it too

[night girder]

I think it's how we pronounce it, we say 100 dollars please. and not: "dollars 100 please."

[edgy hazel]

so the US just copied it from em

US$100 Dollars US-Dollar

[night girder]

only reason I can think of the EU put it aftwards. Because they know we dumdums 🤣

[dire igloo]

MP34 is $152, better drive

Don't some countries use the currency sign as the decimal point?
So $3.50 becomes 3$50

[tough owl]

https://github.com/endlesssoftware/sqlite3/blob/master/os.h#L133

[tough owl]

What is this abomination

[jagged snow]

That sounds terrible

I believe that might be done in the uk... or at least that's how they say it

[dire igloo]

Germans say it like that

[edgy hazel]

I think almost all do that

in english you also go 3 dollars 50

you don't say 3 50 dollars

[tough owl]

Oh verbally yes that’s how we say it

Except we say three fifty

[edgy hazel]

fiddy*

[tough owl]

Yea

[tough owl]

https://fixupx.com/dbrand/status/1728115484019556611?s=46

[night girder]

You retiring?

[edgy hazel]

lmao

just read about the whole drama

happy they're getting sued

[night girder]

Be happy he has done nothing.

[narrow folio]

Gabe is doing alright

[night girder]

Else we had NFT's and some crypto baked into steam.

The fact it didn't happen makes me think someone is doing a good job by not doing anything 🤣

[edgy hazel]

I mean they have the steam deck

[narrow folio]

OLED Deck

[night girder]

True, what I trying to say.

They don't follow the hypes. (Crypto, NFT, AI, ...)

[narrow folio]

the deck may be the thing that finally brought gaming to linux

[night girder]

good movie

https://tenor.com/view/remember-remember-v-for-vendetta-happy-guy-fawkes-day-the5th-of-november-gif-12829141

It always stuck in my head.

I don't know what to watch yet. First I am going to go out to grab something to bite.

[edgy hazel]

always figure the movie out before getting food

[night girder]

Yeah, I have a backup movie 😉

[edgy hazel]

otherwise enjoy your cold fries

[night girder]

but honestly, so much garbage. I recently watched Dune again. 🤷‍♂️

it's a ~~bad ~~ averrage movie, hence my backup. Good enough to entertain me while eating. A guy ritchie movie.

[edgy hazel]

I think the last movie I watched was nimona

[night girder]

The latest new one I watched was that knives out on netflix.

james bond (daniel craig) playing a detectice. It's cluso.

[dire igloo]

Loved the first one, second one was good but the ending killed it for me (tho I gotta admit, it was well-written)

Everything everywhere all at once fried my brain, disassembled it into its parts, then rearranged it into a donut and everything made sense in the end

[night girder]

what a movie. Low budget. Amazing effects.

[night girder]

Agree. And pleasant for the eyes (second one).

[dire igloo]

@edgy hazel did you see this?

Funky stuff going on at Bauhaus

[edgy hazel]

Lol

[edgy hazel]

wait I just watched the last dankpods vid

the first halo isn't backwards compatible with the series x

[stray badger]

i dont think any original xbox games are backwards compatible

[edgy hazel]

it's a selling point

They use it in marketing too

[night girder]

if they did use it in marketing, then this is scummy

I barely see any ads so I wouldn't know.

[stray badger]

i thought just for xbox one and 360?

[night girder]

wording. They say "play thousands of..." not "all of...". I think that will be their legal case.

But still I get what you mean

[edgy hazel]

bro it's halo

[night girder]

maybe it's technical just not possible?

[edgy hazel]

they put a ps2 into a ps3 to make it happen back then

you can prolly get og xbox performance in the size of a pi zero

[winged valley]

The pinecil is much smaller than I thought it would be, I'll have to get used to this thing

[edgy hazel]

same

[winged valley]

oh you have one too?

[night girder]

Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary is compatible 😕 but not Halo: Combat Evolved.

[maiden coyote]

Ogxbox was intel x86 the 360 was powerpc cpu

[night girder]

Oh, so you can play the xbox 360 version of it.

[maiden coyote]

So any backwards compatability is because they recompiled the game for a different arch

[night girder]

Xbox one had those too 🤷‍♂️

[maiden coyote]

Xboxone and the new one are both x86.. so you really shouldn't have any issues with backwards compatability

[night girder]

That's why I don't do consoles 🤣

[maiden coyote]

But yeah.. it's a console.. they're so concerned about hacking and drm that the disc drive (is it has one) is locked to the bios and the apu

For xbox one you had to transplant the controller ic inside the drive if the drive died

[stray badger]

I thought 360 was also intel?

I guess i was wrong

[tough owl]

guys do ctrl+shift+alt+win+L on your computers

[dusk rivet]

i ain’t got enough fingers for that

and i don’t have any friends to help me

[tough owl]

2 hands

[dusk rivet]

i’m not great at math

sounds close enough

[narrow folio]

LinkedIn is worthless for way too many people, but the same with x or w has at least some purpose

[twin dew]

Made a thing in MS Word as vector graphics.
"Recording security camera monitoring this space" as bad translation
To be printed and put below the new camera, to fulfill legal requirements to inform anyone visiting my place of the thing exists.

[twin dew]

The small black borders were for the cutting and were left out.

[prisma yoke]

Okay, out of curiosity, why are there two localappdata folders in the pc? One with percent signs and one without

[twin dew]

The percentage sign one shouldn't exist?
And is caused by some software fucking up with the macro?

%Appdata% is macro to get to current users Appdata\Roaming.
And %LocalAppdata% is macro to get current users Appdata\Local

They shouldn't exist as actual directories.

[prisma yoke]

I see

[twin dew]

Like told on #satisfactory
They are shortcuts/macros to give directory paths that automatically change based on the current users profile directory and appdata locations.

[maiden coyote]

Maybe you're not crazy, I bought an onn. Micro sd card and stuck it in my dashcam. It killed it in less than a day.

[twin dew]

That was very quick, might have been bad unit.

[maiden coyote]

It refuses to format in the cam and the computer doesn't recognize it lol. It's going back to walmart monday

I figured it would've lasted a couple of months

[edgy hazel]

can't diskpart it?

[hardy forge]

I have a new moniter arriving today, Can i plug my old one into the hdmi of my mother board and still use it?

[edgy hazel]

google "enable igpu multi-monitor in the bios"

[twin dew]

Yes, if you haven't completely disabled the IGP.
Usually they now default to being enabled even with GPU inserted.

[maiden coyote]

Intel has had issues with igp and dedicated graphics. But try it, it should work

[twin dew]

Since when?
Just need to have the IGP drivers up to date too.

[maiden coyote]

It just gave me an error

It caused satisfactory to crash with a 7th gen intel cpu

If it works it works. If they start getting weird issues, disable the igp and use the output on the gpu

[edgy hazel]

never had issues

[twin dew]

U8 needs drivers from last 6 months or so for Intel, or the XeSS plugin causes crash if you try to start the game in DX12 mode, when the game selects the IGP.

[maiden coyote]

This was... a while back.. like u3

[twin dew]

Sometimes Windows is stupid and puts Satisfactory on IGP and not dGPU if you don't set it in specific part of Windows Settings.

[maiden coyote]

I've got someone else who can't play ue5 games with a 2nd gen intel cpu

[edgy hazel]

surprised windows boots at all with a 2nd gen intel

[twin dew]

Worked with 4th gen Intel IGP, on DX11 mode.

[maiden coyote]

I think they got satis to work with force dx11 flag

[twin dew]

.

[maiden coyote]

Yeah, I told them to get a steam deck.

[twin dew]

DX11 works as it doesn't load the XeSS plugin.

[maiden coyote]

I tried to recommend a cheap pc build. And they bought a gateway allinone

[twin dew]

Intel fucked up the coding of the XeSS plugin, and if it detects Intel IGP/GPU, it expect the GPU driver to have certain extensions that are only in newest drivers.

And crashes if those don't exist.

[maiden coyote]

I'm just glad the dedi server doesn't check for that.. it does check to make sure your monitor resolution isn't too low

Odd that a command line program needs a minimum mointor resolution.

[maiden coyote]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackBerry_(film)

[edgy hazel]

I'd kill for a good blackberry

[maiden coyote]

Good movie if you can watch it.

I think I'd use a phone with a keyboard too

[edgy hazel]

the only media I really cosume on my phone is music anyways

I write more emails and messaged than I watch youtube by a landslide

[maiden coyote]

Mostly same talk and text and web browsing.

[hardy forge]

Turning on igpu was ez af

[edgy hazel]

Usually it's not the issue of how hard something is to do, but more an issue of knowing what to do

[hardy forge]

Ok

[night girder]

Ok, so out of the 3 games I played on this new rig. 2/3 crash 🤣

Now I am beginning to fear I made a mistake going to AMD. Holy shit. It's so unstable.

Not 100% sure if it's AMD being crap, but I beginning to assume it more and more.

I see there is a new 2.01 Bios Update for B650M

[hardy forge]

Ok soo got my new moniter they kindly gave me hdmi And Display port cable

Can i plug the display port into my primary ot secondary screen?

Any suggestions

[edgy hazel]

rewriting that question would be my first suggestion

[twin dew]

Or you have just something broken in the installation, or the HW.
Did you run memory testing after enabling XMP for example?

[night girder]

I don't have XMP enabled. afaik.

it's all stock hardware without changes 😒

[twin dew]

Ok.

[night girder]

Drivers up to date. Windows up to date. GW2 crashes. Now Hogwarts legacy crashed. Only game running stable is RDR2.

[twin dew]

Still, run some tests.
You can have broken HW straight from factory.
Or while assembling.

[night girder]

hcidesign.com/memtest/ - This good? Or ... - www.memtest86.com/

[hardy forge]

Soo my New pc moniter arrived, it came with a hdmi and a display Port cable

Should i use the display port cable for my primary or secondary monitor

[charred pewter]

i prefer displayport for main monitor that will be doing the highest res and hz

[edgy hazel]

same we're locking over here, we straight up clicking our cables in, we're pressing buttons to unplug cables

[hardy forge]

Ok ok

[night girder]

There was one difference. This time my PC didn't crash. I got error from AMD.

[twin dew]

What kind of error?

[night girder]

copy paste from google:

Anyway, going to run that memtest.

[charred pewter]

👍

[hardy forge]

I can use hdsm and display port cable for 2 screens on thr same gpu unless i gotta use the hdmi in the Mother board

Nvm

Got it working

[twin dew]

Nvidia GPUs can usually output to 4 monitors, AMD ones to 4 or 6.
Intel 2-4 depending on age.

If the connectors are there.
AMD usually has limit that maximum of 2 HDMI/DVI monitors.
Unless they use exact same resolution and refresh rate.
Rest have to be DisplayPort from the GPU, can use active converters.

[hardy forge]

This moniter got g-sync

[twin dew]

Doesn't matter.

[hardy forge]

got it all setup now :D

they gave me american plugs though too

[night girder]

If I knew a memtest was gonna take hours, I would have done it over night 😂

[twin dew]

One pass without tests 11 and 13 is usually enough.
Should take 30-60 minutes.

[night girder]

But so far so good. No errors. Also those fucking sleeps

[twin dew]

The sleeps are testing if tREFI or tRFC are unstable.

[night girder]

It puts sleeps after tests, probably for a reason. But … no wonder it takes so long.

[twin dew]

That is the Test 11.

Hammer test is another that takes, long, you can skip it too.

It only tests if the RAM can be attacked with RowHammer attack.

[night girder]

Ffs 🤦‍♂️

I didnt put errors in photo. But it is 0.

[twin dew]

Using different version then.

[night girder]

I just dowbloaded from memtest86 website

[twin dew]

Ok, I remembered it wrong.

10 is bit fade, not 11.

And 13 is hammer.

[night girder]

Its v10.6 free edition

[twin dew]

But one pass was good enough.

[night girder]

Ah ok.

Is it doing the same test suite 4 times?

[twin dew]

Would has shown any actually broken cells.

[twin dew]

Yes.

[night girder]

So its not the RAM.

Or it doesn’t look like it.

[twin dew]

Ruled out for now.

[night girder]

I saw a AMD ambassador or community mananger recommend to run AMD clean up tool. It removes old AMD garbage. But I don't see how that can solve any issues?

[twin dew]

I was about to suggest nuking the GPU drivers with DDU and reinstalling as test.

[night girder]

community.amd.com/t5/drivers-software/7900xtx-display-driver-amduw23g-stopped-responding-and-has/m-p/638353

[twin dew]

Same idea.

[night girder]

AMD Cleanup Utility only removes old software/files if I read correctly.

And leaves the current (in use) files in place?

[twin dew]

But the official people need to recommend the official tools.

[night girder]

I also reset shade cache.

The lowest button.

[jagged snow]

Apparently that's only true for everyone but ms support

[twin dew]

MS doesn't really have support, just random people answering.
Even if some small percentage are in theory employees.

Who don't seem to have any access to other parts of the business.

[jagged snow]

I was referring to their otp customer support there

I have no clue what's going on with the forums

[night girder]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/990080/discussions/0/3773490640557476038/

if this is a driver issue, AMD needs to get their shit together on the driver stuff

Another fix would be: MPO. But I need to dig into that what it does first before I tweak it in registry.

[twin dew]

Like Nvidia 3000-series still seems to have major issues with U8 on DX12?

[twin dew]

Disables thing that allows multiple overlays to be independent, and not flattened together before being merged into the original frame.

Multi-Plane Overlay.

Gives little boost to FPS if you have multiple overlays running, but seems to cause issues in some cases.

When the specific overlays cannot co-exist properly.

[jagged snow]

I'm currently downloading a game from xbox store... I can't decide if they're just that much worse with handling decompression or if they just limit download speeds that heavily

But the disk writes are at less than half the speed I'd experience when downloading through steam

[night girder]

Honestly, I hate troubleshooting like this. Feels like throwing darts into the dark and hope for hitting bullseye 🤣

Let me think a bit more. Think my next step would be a clean install of AMD. (Like you suggested ofc).

But I want to see if it crashes again now that I emptied that shader cache. I was tweaking around graphic settings (without restarting the game) and maybe that got the game confused. /copium

?

[charred pewter]

🧌

[night girder]

I said /copium

Frigidman. Was it you who played Hogwarts?

[charred pewter]

yeah

[twin dew]

Seems at least some people have that from Afterburner and the AMD Settings / Overlay or some other AMD full install thing not playing nice together.

[charred pewter]

i 100%'d hogwarts

[twin dew]

The Driver timeout thing.

[night girder]

How many times did it crash? 😛

[charred pewter]

never once

[night girder]

No afterburner here. Only AMD Adrenalin Edition.

[twin dew]

No matter what I did, I got the same behavior. However, the latest thing I tried (which I didn't really see anyone else talking about) was to DDU the AMD driver in safe mode, then INSTALL THE DRIVER ONLY VERSION OF ADRENALIN rather than the full install.
And in same thread the other way, removing afterburner fixed it.

[charred pewter]

it jerked/stuttered in hogsmede due to the shitty NPC pathing issues ... but other than that it ran fine

[twin dew]

But you can try the driver only or the middle option (leaving streaming etc. out with just basic settings version of AMD Settings installed)

[night girder]

I read that too. But I don't have after burner. And I am 99% I did a freaking clean install of AMD.

I did it like 5-10 times (fully clean install of OS, disconnect internet, usb with drivers, connect internet, update windows, ...).

[charred pewter]

btw, i run afterburner all the time (and rtss) ... but i dont actually after-burn my gpu... 😉

[night girder]

So either it's the AMD updates already fucking it up. But I have been a good boy and not mess with it.

[charred pewter]

no OC, no UV

[twin dew]

And one point is that it might be other overlays too, not just with Afterburner.
Because the AMD driver on full has two (might be actually same), one that allows overlay access to the Radeon Settings with alt+r by default, and the performance overlay with ctrl+shift+o

So try going to Settings, Preferences, and untick the In-Game Overlay as first.

[night girder]

👍

[twin dew]

that is the first.
The performance one doesn't seem to be active without it being toggled.

[charred pewter]

so many overlays ....

even realized i had xbox game overlay running too (on win11)

[night girder]

disable that. The xbox game overlay.

[charred pewter]

yeah

its extremely annoying just all by itself LOL ... "you could win this giveaway!"

[night girder]

Btw, did any of you hear about this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y3RGeaxksY

[jagged snow]

It's been a thing for a while where specific frequencies could break hdds in laptops when played from the internal speakers or at a high enough volume from another source

[twin dew]

Caused resonance of the writehead in one specific (very common) laptop HDD type.

That caused it to touch the platters.

[night girder]

my first reaction too, no way ...

[twin dew]

In later drives it has been fixed with logic that parks the head if there seems to start to be resonance happening.

Like they park the head if the drive detects reduced gravity (from being in freefall).

Just needs to be the exact right one for the exact drive.
And now shouldn't be possible to happen anymore.

[night girder]

I found it interesting as fuck. It's science.

[twin dew]

www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2022/08/bad-rhythm-janet-jackson-song-resonates-poorly-with-some-old-hard-drives

cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2022-38392

thenextweb.com/news/janet-jackson-rhythm-nation-causes-laptops-to-crash-vibration-resonance

devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20220816-00/?p=106994

And forgot that it had been "fixed" on OS side with that audio pipeline filter.

But resonances are a bitch.

Probably.
But again, that specific one only affected one very specific drive model.
But that one was very common one.

But that one is perfectly logical, just bad luck and now known and probably taken more into account by HDD makers.

Resonant frequencies need to be taken into account in all mechanical design.

[jagged snow]

They can be incredibly destructive

I'm still a fan for some use cases

It's the cheapest possible way to store data in reasonable quantities

The performance might not be the best, but the durability is excellent when poperly cared for

They have

But you'd be hard pressed to find 2tb of flash for $25

Wd also manufactures their own disks

[twin dew]

But with WD you have major problems getting CMR anymore.

[jagged snow]

Oh wait

I know what you mean, haven't seen it in acronym form much before

[twin dew]

Conventional Magnetic Recording.
vs. SMR / Shingled Magnetic Recording.

[jagged snow]

Imo cmr doesn't really fit into the market

If you want the speed, you'd just go with flash

Since the data density difference is so significant

[twin dew]

SMR just fucks up if you try to write more than the CMR cache.

Just doesn't work.

[jagged snow]

Yeah 🤷‍♂️

For most use cases that doesn't matter though

[twin dew]

Most of enterprise stuff is CMR.

[jagged snow]

For reliability

Head endurance is lower on smr

[twin dew]

No, because of the automatic SMR being so completely useless tech for actual work.

For enterprise the SMR drives need specialist controllers, not the automatic in-drive thing.

And are available for archieval etc. purposes.

And the actual data density improvement is pretty minor.

But as it saves the HDD manufacturer something like 5% per drive...

And consumers don't know better, and it doesn't affect most normal consumer usage.

Just fucks up backups etc. large writes.

[jagged snow]

I have an external smr drive

[twin dew]

Try finding consumer HDD that isn't one, except for NAS drives.
And WD even makes "NAS" drives that are SMR.

The WD Red base models are SMR.

Red Plus and Red Pro are not.

[jagged snow]

It's just stationary bulk storage for a machine that didn't have any more internal drive space

[twin dew]

Same with Seagate below Ironwolf non-pro.

Almost everything is SMR.

[jagged snow]

For 90% of use cases it's fine

[edgy hazel]

yt reviewers making everyone think they need a high end SSD made for editing

[jagged snow]

Any nvme gen 3 or faster is plenty for the average gamer

Unless direct storage gets a lot better, the benefit isn't even that big

[edgy hazel]

god my friends are so german

clock hits 8pm, 5 of them start playing games on steam

[charred pewter]

jyrfxs

[edgy hazel]

anyone who speaks bottom can translate?

[charred pewter]

er, i meant jtrfxs ... typo

😄

[edgy hazel]

so

apparently the whole teslas hitting children is because their depth-perception free cameras assume children are adults but further away

[winged valley]

Im not entirely sure why but when i first joined this server i was surprised

"Wow so many smart people play satisfactory"

In reference to this channel

[edgy hazel]

pfft

[maiden coyote]

It doesn't say if my drives are smr or not

[winged valley]

Anyone know of a good metal tip hand pump for desildering, im having trouble finding one

[edgy hazel]

something like this?

and you don't need a metal tip

[winged valley]

I want a metal tip bc I have a bad habit of touching the iron with the tip

[edgy hazel]

well that's where you realise you need to train your hand

[winged valley]

fair lol

[edgy hazel]

don't blame the tools

and I wouldn't want to suck up hot liquid metal with metal anyways

[maiden coyote]

Solderwick is superior.. but desoldering what is the more important question?

[edgy hazel]

nah I don't fuck with solder wick

I have the metal schlurper 9000 right here

[maiden coyote]

Whatever works for you, I won't judge.

[edgy hazel]

especiall when it's a little crammed I find it a bit difficult to use

[maiden coyote]

Everything in there is what you need for desoldering

low melt alloy is key. And wick.

[edgy hazel]

But I'm also a heretic and use solder with flux in it

[maiden coyote]

Oh, and Flux.. that low melt alloy stuff is amazing. Hdmi ports will fall right off.

We are probably on different levels.

[edgy hazel]

I just solder when I need to fix shit which doesn't happen that often

[maiden coyote]

I want to do this... and upgrade it to 32gb lol

But. I don't want to guiniepig my own deck for a ram upgrade

[edgy hazel]

I have to work again on monday ;-;

I just wanna play bideo james

[winged valley]

Hey so that low temp alloy, 63/37, thats the only solder I've ever had? Didnt realize it was special

Should I be using a higher heat alloy for finished joints?

[edgy hazel]

what are you soldering?

[winged valley]

Various things, ranging from keyswitches to chips on laptops

[edgy hazel]

usually it doesn't matter that much since solder isn't supposed to carry much weight. Ports might be a different thing due to strain

and low temp solder is super easy to work with so why not?

[tough owl]

Alright does anyone have that psu tier list thing quickly available

[edgy hazel]

I don't

[tough owl]

Ok

[edgy hazel]

Sorry

[scarlet cave]

yo guys

[winged valley]

oh also I have wick, like a lot of it, just not at home its all at work

[twin dew]

All Ironwolfs are CMR.

www.seagate.com/gb/en/products/cmr-smr-list/

[winged valley]

Meanwhile WD sitting in the corner with no chin trying to sell "prosumer" SMR drives

[dire igloo]

cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

[winged valley]

The SSSSS tier PSU is that one 230W PSU I pulled out of an old 2008 HP desktop

It probably still works fine (I used it for scrap wire)

[twin dew]

WD seems to now state it in the datasheets at least:
support-en.wd.com/app/answers/detailweb/a_id/50697/~/steps-to-determine-if-an-internal-drive-uses-cmr-or-smr-technology
But this is just pure crap:

3.5" Blacks are CMR, 3.5" Blues have both in most capacities, and you need to know to look at the model number where single letter changes.

X as last is CMR, Z is SMR.

2.5" Blacks have both SMR and CMR...

[winged valley]

As much as i shit on seagate's barracuda drives, they're based when it comes to anything higher end than those (never used skyhawk tho so idk about that one)

[twin dew]

Skyhawk is for constant video recording.

Not that good for general usage, as it really has been optimized on firmware level for that.

Same hardware as Ironwolfs.

Whops, read the line wrong...

[edgy hazel]

Goes hard

[wide void]

For the record, single biggest notable change between S20 and S23 is the camera, the new camera is really good, and it already wasn't bad on the S20

They have Way more lens area now

[narrow folio]

DSLR with built-in phone when? But I think this was already a thing years ago in some Chinese product

[edgy hazel]

not dlsr but samsung tried something like that

and xiaomi with their 12s

both flopped iirc

reason being, if you care that much about photos, you have your own seperate camera which you don't need to carry with you if you go grocery shopping

https://tenor.com/view/erased-deleted-removed-deletion-wiped-gif-15820648

[maiden coyote]

So cmr drives are a must if you want to build a raid array with multiple disks. Otherwise for bulk data storage or maybe even raid 1 smr would be fine.

[wide void]

aye, sensible middle ground is perfect. I'm always going to have a phone, I rarely have my DSLR if I'm just 'out and about'

[narrow folio]

yeah, the best camera is the one you have with you.

[edgy hazel]

and for 90% of shit your phone is enough

[narrow folio]

and as the high end mobile cams really became good enough for most occasions I never use my old camera anymore

[edgy hazel]

and the other 10% are not worth carrying a full camera around

[narrow folio]

from a Pixel 6 Pro

some full format sensor with a good lens may result in better quality, but for me this is good enough

wait, discord butchers the pic... but you get the idea

[edgy hazel]

ye

[twin dew]

Initial sync even for RAID-1 will take forever, and same for any kind repair if one drive fails.
Or if you try to write more than X GB in once which is usually in 10-50GB range IIRC.

If the CMR cache part fills up, then you are fucked basically and the write performance goes to unimagenably low level.
As in "wait multiple minutes for few bytes written".

[maiden coyote]

Raid-1 is supposed to be a mirrored pair.. no striping. That's why I figured they might be okay

[twin dew]

And most RAID solutions, even software ones will start kicking the drives out of the array as broken.
And if it is the OS drive even on single drive, you are completely out of luck.

[twin dew]

Still syncs to same state when created.
And when you replace one drive, the others contents are copied to the new drive in one go.

So whole drive write in both cases.

[maiden coyote]

replacing the drive it'll be a fresh drive which smr doesn't have issues with?

[twin dew]

Works fine in any kind of RAID after the array has been initialized, doesn't need drive replacement, and never is written too much to get into that "CMR cache full" state.

[twin dew]

SMR has problem with too many writes in too short duration.
And RAID array drive replacement always involves full-drive write to the new drive.

Which takes multiple DAYS for 1TB SMR drive IIRC.

While the drive will seem to be dead most of the time.

To whatever is sending the data.

[maiden coyote]

Ah. The tech behind smr seems neat at least

There's host managed smr. But that's not something we'll have at home

[twin dew]

Yes, but it needs to write the whole huge block again each time single bit is changed in there.

And that block size starts from possibly gigabytes, to tens of gigabytes.

And there is just couple of blocks worth of CMR cache.

Everything goes into the CMR, until there is blocks worth, then that block is written to the SMR part.

So yes, the host managed SMR has its place.
But the drive makers pushed to the drive managed SMR for those who don't know enough, to save little.
And didn't even pass those savings to the buyers.

And the drive managed SMR just cannot handle large writes.

They also can get fragmented on HW level.
Because they support TRIM and do same kind of LBA to actual storage address rejigging as SSDs do.

But while SSDs can access any address at same speed, SMR HDDs still have the seek times to switch locations.

So now if you don't write the whole file again each time, and only change some of the contents, you get HW level file fragmentation.

In the commands the OS sends to the drive.

Not sure on how granular level that LBA rejigging is in them.

[tough owl]

i love ublock

blocks ads on hulu

[twin dew]

Imposter is Sus.

[wanton orchid]

I wonder is coupons work here too

it works !

[edgy hazel]

christmans

: (

they better add that back

[twin dew]

You typoed the christmas

[edgy hazel]

nah it's christmans

it's christmas for men

[sand saddle]

I'm thinking audio upgrade

AKG K371 are the headphones

[edgy hazel]

why AKG?

[sand saddle]

Supposedly really good audio

[edgy hazel]

since they got bought in 2016 they've been kinda shit

[sand saddle]

K371 should be a really good closed back option

Better than DT770 in most metrics

[edgy hazel]

and also the cheapest material you can find

my akgs broke after droppping them once lmao

[dusk rivet]

i would say maybe don't drop your headphones, but if my headphones can't handle the occasional accidental abuse i put them through, they aren't good headphones for me

[dire igloo]

Model over brand

That's like saying "don't buy Corsair PSU, mine broke"

When GS is looking at RM750e and you had VS550

[edgy hazel]

My man AKG got bought by Samsung

There is a very clear cut where their quality dropped

[dire igloo]

Does it apply to that one specific model?

[sand saddle]

I mean fair enough, the K371 aren't known for their build quality

[dire igloo]

Unless you know it does, your point is moot

[edgy hazel]

yes

and also the whole brand

AKG as a brand is on the same level as JBL now

[dire igloo]

What's the next best closed back headphones if AKG is out?

[edgy hazel]

Depending on your use case

[tough owl]

beats 😎

[edgy hazel]

Correct

[maiden coyote]

Apparently Google nags now when you open the photo app... subscribe for editing effects! Turn on Google backup..

Fuckoff.

[jagged snow]

Yeah, google/samsung have pushed me to the point where I'll be installing a new os on my next phone

[tough owl]

Got a new setup what yall think

[lime fjord]

Bro ure a genius

congrats

didn't even need a desk

but where you gonna put your food?

juices, coca-cola or pepsi, water

meat or grapes

[dire igloo]

Didn't LTT test this once and find out it didn't help cuz the PC overwhelmed the cooling capacities of the fridge?

[fiery shoal]

yes

[edgy hazel]

yes

with closed doors iirc

[fiery shoal]

refrigerators are not meant to be on 100% of the time

[sand saddle]

You need really beefy chillers to actually cool a PC

Smth like this for a custom looped PC: shop.alphacool.com/en/shop/chiller/devices/11371-alphacool-eiszeit-2000-chiller-black

Costs 1k+obvious operating costs
Can handle a high power PC

[wanton orchid]

My friends RM750 exploded though, fully commited to seasonic then

[dire igloo]

would've been funny if Seasonic was the RM750 OEM, but it's CWT

[sand saddle]

Our brains work the same way lmao

[wanton orchid]

I should note it wasnt my first problem with bad oem corsair badge

I got scammed over a "server" psu, it got removed from even any advertising material soon, it was that bad

IIRc good corair psus usually are coming from seasonic

[sand saddle]

Corsair is mostly CWT, seasonic made some really old models

[wanton orchid]

ok

[sand saddle]

And there are some other OEMs as well, but mostly CWT

RMx and HX-i should be the highest quality corsair CWT models

Flextronics made AX-i and AX1200, seasonic made the rest of the AX
HX is a mix of seasonic and CWT, but CWT made all of the platinum models and most of the gold.

But yeah, it's funny to see people referencing one wattage model and then call the whole lineup good, even though it's not rare for a single lineup to have multiple OEMs

[edgy hazel]

🫡 bye seth everman

[tough owl]

Didn’t really ever know him

[edgy hazel]

he made Billie eillish

[tough owl]

No way

[dire igloo]

wrote the most liked YT comment ever - which is now deleted (under the official Bad Guy music video, he wrote "I'm the bald guy")

[tough owl]

Germans love this man I guess

[dire igloo]

Discovered this video of him today, dope stuff
https://youtu.be/XlszMygegnU

[edgy hazel]

ofc we love him he's our president

[dire igloo]

"Get rekt du kek"
- Olol Scholol

[edgy hazel]

der Markt kann mein Leid nicht lindnern 😦

[gilded helm]

Going to test drive a Bolt if anyone has any curiosities. But mostly, how far off MSRP do you think I can go? There are two dealers in town I can go to.

[maiden coyote]

Oh boy. Have fun

[gilded helm]

Tentative theory is to get that juicy tax credit, then dump it in 35 months into 36 month warranty.

[maiden coyote]

If you do get it, i want to live electric cars.. I'm afraid that's the only way to own one though

They're junk.

Most new vehicles are junk. I tow more newer stuff from the 2020s than I do >2016

[gilded helm]

What are the faults getting them towed?

[languid gulch]

i can't believe how many brand new cars i see with their center brake light out

it's like it's 1985 again

[maiden coyote]

Fuel modules on gm vehicles. Misc electrical/computer issues on others

Very few mechanical issues

[gilded helm]

Heh, computer issues checks out.

[languid gulch]

GM should never have moved away from their small blocks

[maiden coyote]

Even the door locks on new cars have can modules

[gilded helm]

Other than my classic convertible I pretty much stick to new cars under warranty, so I'm not too concerned.

[maiden coyote]

It's silly. It's not just chips in everything. It's SoC's in everything

[languid gulch]

yeesh

[maiden coyote]

Door locks with atmel microcontroller

[languid gulch]

yea, i'm waiting to see what the new electric Equinox is like & comparing it to the Bolt EUV before making any kind of decision

[maiden coyote]

Fuel moduels with several atmel SoC's

[gilded helm]

And worse, Tesla has one system for the whole car. Which is great for cutting costs, but honestly I think it's great to have windows, locks, and the like in separate subsystems. Because then nothing else can screw them up and vice versa.

[languid gulch]

teslas are rolling garbage near as i can tell

[gilded helm]

Back when I had my Model X, occasionally it wouldn't let me roll the windows all the way up.

[languid gulch]

30 minute partial disassembly to get to the 12v battery

[gilded helm]

It would literally pop them down 2 inches from the top after I rolled it all the way up. Each time I had to call in to get them to reset something. It only happened three times in the 3 years I had it. But that's still three times too many for a very stupid issue to have in the first place.

[languid gulch]

my car is cheap & old, & except for it being small, i love it

worst thing it's needed is new hoses

& that's because the originals lasted 15 years

2003 civic btw 🤣

i sat in a 2023 a couple months ago, & i have more room in mine

& yes, i'm tempted to just spend a stupid amount of money to electrify it

i'd love to see the math on how much cheaper it supposedly is to just ECU & module everything, then having to do stupid amounts of maintenance on it, vs just doing mechanical systems

[stray badger]

i just want my stuff to be dumb

[languid gulch]

yup

[stray badger]

i dont care about having android auto

[languid gulch]

someone needs to make a car with no touchscreen, but a dock for your phone, & window cranks

[stray badger]

windows cranks is too far, basic unsmart electric works just fine

[languid gulch]

🤣

that's how you know it'll truly be an electric car for cheap

[gilded helm]

What will be good is when you can finally retrofit more cars for electric. Big dumb old cars and put only a drivetrain in it.

[languid gulch]

i know there's a company in CA that sells electric versions of crate engines to drop into classic cars

[stray badger]

1996 corolla with 4 motor electric

800hp or smth

[languid gulch]

i know my car could do it fairly easily, since it had a hybrid variant

electricgt.com/

if ford & toyota were smart, they'd start making electric conversions for their vehicles & set aside some of those dwindling dealership mainenance bays for it

they have the blueprints, they could probably figure it out

[stray badger]

probably costs them too much

[languid gulch]

someone has declared it costs them too much

[stray badger]

i would assume its the engineering costs

[languid gulch]

or they're worried about safety putting it in older vehicles

[stray badger]

also that

and also, batteries are heavy

they need to build the car around them

[languid gulch]

i do wonder what a gas-tank sized battery would range on older cars

definitely not 300 miles

but even if my car got half the range, i wouldn't mind being able to plug it in at the house

they were lying sacks of shit about the range & fuel economy anyway

[stray badger]

honestly, an electric bike works great for me

i don't really need a car

[languid gulch]

LOL they claim 36/44 for my civic, in reality i'm lucky to get 30

my sister has 0 idea about physics & is waiting for an SUV that gets at least 50mpg

because she doesn't want an electric

[dusk rivet]

suv, and 50mpg should never be in the same sentence unless there is a negative somewhere

[maiden coyote]

Just keep up with changing the timing belt and your good

[stray badger]

I guess she will never be happy

[gilded helm]

They've already taken out spare tires and made their gas tanks smaller to get to where they are.

You would need to use some very expensive space age materials to get the weight down enough. If those materials even exist at any cost.

[urban tulip]

Guys dont waste your time with x3d cpu for endgame factories, Ive checked tests for other factory games and the x3d cache runs out at one point, and if you have like 8000mhz tuned ram on 14900k ( this can be achieved on any decent motherboard ) it will just kill amd in endgame either way

[stray badger]

Because a 14900k with 8000mhz ram on a z790 is better value than a 7800x3d with 6000mhz ram on a b650

Sure

[urban tulip]

Its not about value

where i said anything about value?

btw you dont need 14900k to beat x3d

because this is mainly about ram oc

as long as you get something thats not a meme so like not 5200mhz on ddr5 but 7000+

Obviously per watt performance of 7800x3d is unbeatable

and it doesnt need AIO to keep boosted clock

[languid gulch]

AMD's power consumption is really impressive relative to intel

[gilded helm]

AMD is also on a much more advanced manufacturing process so it's to be expected.

The Bolt felt good! I didn't care for the suspension in it all too much. But it's not a sports car, and for the price, I might have one in the first week of next year. I've also got a state EV incentive.

[languid gulch]

nice!

is it the full $7500?

[gilded helm]

7500 fed, 2500 state, and there's a Costco membership discount possibly? That was new to me and I need to figure that out. It doesn't look like it's up right now, but they told me it might be.

I need to wait till the first week of the year to buy for the state incentive anyway. So maybe the Costco one will come back

[languid gulch]

check with GM too, because iirc they'll also help pay to install a charger

[sharp oasis]

Imagine having am5/lga1700

This post is sponsored by AM4 gang

Somehow still not completely dead even tho it very much should be

[gilded helm]

Should be?

[sharp oasis]

Amd has AM5 now

And yet development is still continuing to an extent on am4

There's two more cpus in the works as of a week ago iirc

Both X3D chips

I makes me slightly curious

[urban tulip]

its not

[gilded helm]

If they're just getting rid of inventory that already exists, it makes perfect sense.

[sharp oasis]

Mabey just odd ball cpus that dont bin properly

Makes sence ig

[sharp oasis]

10nm vs 5nm iirc

[urban tulip]

thats just marketing terms

[sharp oasis]

Not just marketing terms

[gilded helm]

Intel has been trying to sell its fab capacity for years. I will believe they have a competitive node when they get external customers.

[urban tulip]

it is

[edgy hazel]

That's cool and all but intel is only 2D while AMD is 3D which is obviously better

[sharp oasis]

Larger the node, more heat output per transistor

Isint amd already trying to dabble into 3nm

[urban tulip]

what do you think the nm stands for

[sharp oasis]

Nanometer

[urban tulip]

but what exactly in the silicion

[gilded helm]

"no meaning" since Finfet.

[sharp oasis]

Fair

[urban tulip]

yea

[edgy hazel]

No Masters

[urban tulip]

and monolithic design is still better for games

[sharp oasis]

Ehh

[edgy hazel]

Ehhhhh

[sharp oasis]

Not entirely true

[edgy hazel]

Your data might be a bit outdated

[urban tulip]

intel has no memory controller issues so they can get 8000mhz ez and have good latence between cores

what data, zen has still the same latency problem it had

[sharp oasis]

The latency is already negligable

I could see something like that on vermeer

Where ram and Imc clock are much lower

And if I were to decouple ram clock and Imc clock

But ryzen 7000 compensated for that issue

[urban tulip]

sold fab capacity is more about process advancement

[sharp oasis]

And latency between cores is again negligable

[urban tulip]

tsmc has 10x the scale

or 50x prob more like lol

[edgy hazel]

Also Intel being 20% more expensive for a negligible improvement in a few rare scenarios doesn't help

[sharp oasis]

When it comes out to benches it has had very little effect majority of the time. So ccds aren't a detriment to prefomance

[gilded helm]

And Intel can't afford to expand capacity because nobody wants to buy from them. Because their processes are inferior. They don't have the same top end performance as TSMC, for which they could command whatever price they wanted. And they can't compete on cost with their less advanced processes.

[sharp oasis]

And honestly are probably vastly superior to monolithic die in the terms of ability to spread out heat along a larger overall surface area

Making the ihs more effective

[urban tulip]

am5 ihs isnt so effective

[gilded helm]

Intel themselves admit they are behind on fab technology. Pat has tons of speeches where he talks about when they're going to retake the lead from TSMC in 2026 I think? If they can stick to their development cadence, and we should all hope for that because competition is good.

[sharp oasis]

I mean a 7800X3D can be completely aircooled and hold boost. Wile Intels competing chips cannot even under watercooling half the time

[urban tulip]

they are at a good spot

[urban tulip]

misinformation

[edgy hazel]

No Intel is factually behind

[urban tulip]

well yes I guess if you will use all cores on crappy aio

[gilded helm]

I would disagree that Intel is at a good spot based on their own earnings reports. Data center revenue falling behind client is particularly bad for them. That's why they keep canceling things like Optane, they don't have all those data center profits to fund r&d and prop up other sectors.

[sharp oasis]

Even with watercooler it's a decent struggle to not get a 14900K to not throttle.

[urban tulip]

I meant that they they have goverment supported fabs that will get built

[sharp oasis]

Don't get me started about power useage

[urban tulip]

and once they are built they will rise again

[edgy hazel]

Are they built now? Are they being used now?

[urban tulip]

being built

either way

[edgy hazel]

Ah so not a now thingy

[sharp oasis]

And amd will have another generation like the 5000 series come out and blast Intel out of the water again.

[gilded helm]

And Intel has one military contract to use those fabs. But they have the benefit of the national security angle to be a customer of the United States DOD. Selling to anyone else is going to be harder.

[urban tulip]

what i care about is this, if you dont like powerdraw or tinkering memory just pretend that this doesnt exist

[sharp oasis]

That's

One frame

[gilded helm]

At what price point does Intel win?

[sharp oasis]

That's a insignificant win

All that work

To dethrone the king by a single frame

[urban tulip]

thhat carries over to other games too but obviously you will spend a little time and money

[sharp oasis]

It's a singular frame

[urban tulip]

are you blind

or you just saw the left pic and commented

[sharp oasis]

Still

Insignificant

[edgy hazel]

No

[urban tulip]

40% is insignificant?

[sharp oasis]

The amount of power draw and cost to even get the chip

[sharp oasis]

For almost 200% the power draw

That's a terrible trade off

[urban tulip]

no intel 4 cores will not eat 3x the power

[sharp oasis]

Sure you may be super fucking fast. But at what cost to your bills.

[gilded helm]

I just want to know how much more you need to spend on RAM and the CPU to tie, let alone beat it. You can even leave out power for this part of the question.

[urban tulip]

ram costs the same

only record hunters are buying some crazy binned ram

[sharp oasis]

You still can't say a 14900k beats a 7800X3D.

As at stock where it matters

[urban tulip]

intel motherboards cost less for same features on current gen btw

than am5

[urban tulip]

why are you bringing up stock

im talking about maxing out the performance from a game

if you want to run stock just buy amd

[sharp oasis]

Honestly tho.

The cost and overall

Ain't worth it

[urban tulip]

the cost different is mostly in powerdraw and cooling but yea, it is what it is

[sharp oasis]

Cooling solution, cpu itself, powerdraw

Intels shitty fabs, and 13.5gen refresh

[edgy hazel]

And the improvement is in a very few select scenarios. Most of the time AMD will still be the better choice for money/performance

[sharp oasis]

I refuse to call 14th Gen 14th Gen

It's 13.5

[gilded helm]

If you want to play that game there are other generations like Kaby and Rocket you should subtract.

[sharp oasis]

It's quite litterally a better bin of 13th Gen other than the 14700k

[sharp oasis]

Bet

Whats the number then

[urban tulip]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/683114178084339737/1101977062912303135/Screenshot_20230430-010208969.jpg?ex=6574d61d&is=6562611d&hm=85bdb261954d36e372ab9b3a7056c6dcbc5dc8abdf752d4f533d335c30794b1d&

[edgy hazel]

3

[edgy hazel]

Bro

[urban tulip]

its not few select scenarios, most games probably benefit from ram speeds

[edgy hazel]

🤡🤡

Hello yes here is a comparison 14900k vs bulldozer

[urban tulip]

?

[sharp oasis]

Bro, your at such high framerates anyway why does it matter

[urban tulip]

are you clowning on yourself

[edgy hazel]

The 7950x3D is faster than a 8600k

[urban tulip]

yea just run 60hz monitor

and dont bother

[gilded helm]

I would say 6 to 11 could be collapsed into three generations. So that's three less. I feel like you could also get rid of fifth generation.

[sharp oasis]

144 is nice

[sharp oasis]

So 10.5 Gen 14900k

[edgy hazel]

That's not even x3D

[urban tulip]

better chart?

[gilded helm]

The interesting thing is it's not that stuff like Kaby had no improvements. It's just that they only showed up in laptops. It's possible there will be improvements in laptops from 14th gen.

[urban tulip]

or do i need to mark it for you that this is about how ram speeds affect intel

[edgy hazel]

No that's quite literally worse

[sharp oasis]

Your comparing a 7600x that has two extra cores

To a 13900k

Seems a bit unfair

[edgy hazel]

Smashing my PC with a sledgehammer also affects CPU performance

[urban tulip]

you have no reading comprehension, seems fair

[sharp oasis]

I see the diffrence

Dw

I'm saying that that is a unfair matchup

[edgy hazel]

Sry anime pfp

[gilded helm]

Can we get a before and after video 🤠

[sharp oasis]

But to be completely honest

You can ride Intels dick all you like.

I donr care about either brand

I care abt pref at stock

And how can I cool it

I've managed to make a 5600 do 4.65ghz all core turbo at 60c

And it sustain the turbo

I mean. To be fair I could try pushing farther

As I'm already at a 3rd of the pref of a 13700k

Might as well try to close the gap a bit more

I wonr match it ik

But mabey I might be able to hit 4.7ghz ACT If I try picking around for beta bioses and shit

I'm still surprised how the actual fuck my cpu runs that cold wile at full throttle

I co sidered ocing my phone but it's basically not gonna be enough to actually improve the prefomance in certain areas enough

[twin dew]

No, only few specific golden sample chips in even 14th gen can do 8000MT/s.
About 5%?

In fact AMD with AGESA 1.0.0.7b or newer in Gear 2 equivalent (which is Intel default) can do 8000MT/s more reliably now.

Mostly Intel 13th and 14th gen CPUs cap at around 7200-7400MT/s on 4 memory slot MBs and 7600-7800MT/s on two memory slot MBs.

[wanton orchid]

I still find it amazing we already hit the 3600mhz sweet spot of ddr4 in ddr5

[twin dew]

As in that we hit double the old sweet-spot?

[wanton orchid]

kind of

[twin dew]

3600MT/s / 1800MHz to 7200MT/s / 3600MHz?

[wanton orchid]

ddr5 at least doubling have some downside
but the downside is none once we have double effectively