off-topic-tech

[sharp oasis]

Damn

Tho upscaling the vid to 4k removes the jagged lines for the most part

Recorded in 1080p upscaled to 4k

[twin dew]

Not doing LODs etc. isn't engine issue.

No idea for example if following is still fixed: They are using insane detail model for each pedestrian, no matter the distance.

That is way above what you would normally use even for right at your face model.

[sharp oasis]

Looks like a 7800XT and new monitors are in my upgrade path

Along with a beefeyer psu

[lusty lantern]

Oops wrong channel

[midnight osprey]

I just had an odd situation ... I was playing Factorio and the game froze, then went into discord, and after a few seconds that froze too, same with vivaldi web browser, after like 5 seconds

even task manager wouldn't show up

or Ctrl_Alt_Del

[fair roost]

yo, can any computer nerds help me compare pc parts I’m thinking of buying

[edgy hazel]

wooo

wow this update is packed

[dire igloo]

Dope shit

[mental oriole]

Damn nice.

[night girder]

if you even want to take it further with firefox: https://github.com/yokoffing/Betterfox

I use it. Tweaked it somewhat.

Baldur, I am still trying to figure out why GW2 crashed my whole rig.

21/11/2023 20:09:58 - Warning - The maximum file size for session "Power Efficiency Diagnostic Logger" has been reached. As a result, events might be lost (not logged) to file "C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Power Efficiency Diagnostics\energy-trace.etl". The maximum files size is currently set to 209715200 bytes.

21/11/2023 20:09:58 - Error - Session "Power Efficiency Diagnostic Logger" stopped due to the following error: 0xC0000188

21/11/2023 20:20:57 - Critical - The system has rebooted without cleanly shutting down first. This error could be caused if the system stopped responding, crashed, or lost power unexpectedly.

So most things I've read, leads me to believe it must be hardware?

But it can be PSU, RAM or GPU 🤷‍♂️ - https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/svuspq/guild_wars_2_pc_shuts_down_randomly_while_playing/

I was able to exclude discord. I was AFK idling in GW2 and watching YT on my laptop. Suddenly after an hour or two. Didn't really pay attention since I was doing something else, my PC rebooted.

So, idling (not playing) GW2 can also result in a crash. No discord. No voice.

[twin dew]

Or just that specific logging being too verbose, or with too low size limit.
Need to go right now, will look once I get back.

[night girder]

I just am confused why it doesn't happen in games like RD2.

Also everything is default 🤷‍♂️

en-forum.guildwars2.com/topic/129912-guild-wars-2-keeps-crashing-any-suggestions-i-havent-tried/ -

Not sure about if it's the drivers. First two time sit happened when switching application with alt+tab.

[twin dew]

Probably GW2 doing weird things.

[night girder]

I haven't played many games for long hours. Only RDR2 has been on for long period and no problems.

I know, we don't have much information to go on. But full rig crash is nasty 😒

[twin dew]

Because from that I can find, that logging shouldn't be active except by manual command for 60 seconds at a time.

[night girder]

how do you mean?

[twin dew]

Power Efficiency Diagnostic Logger with energy-trace.etl

[night girder]

These are the ones I posted. I only posted them because those are the only events beforehand.

There is a 11 minut time gap.

So little chance they are related. But I can't find anything else happening before a crash.

[twin dew]

Yes, but I mean that something is starting those traces, that are for debugging and shouldn't run normally.
And that one for power efficiency monitoring is going over on the size limit.

[twin dew]

Here.

The two last errors before the reboot shouldn't be happening at all AFAIK.

The whole thing shouldn't be running.

[night girder]

yeah but that can just be shitty microsoft

After futher investigation.

[twin dew]

I don't have single event log entry from that.
And generating one of those hooks deep into the Kernel, so one crashing crashing the whole kernel is logical.

[night girder]

The two errors don't always happen before crash.

[twin dew]

Checking the other computers.

[night girder]

So the critical seems to be random 😢

it does always spit out two more errors AFTER critical.

"Error setting traits on Provider {8444a4fb-d8d3-4f38-84f8-89960a1ef12f}. Error: 0xC0000001" - But this can be because PC crashed.

[twin dew]

Not single Kernel-EventTracing event in three computers.

[twin dew]

But same for couple of other AMD users...
That specific one running and failing...
One from 10 months ago.

[night girder]

Those are the only criticals. And those are the crashes.

[twin dew]

But that specific file should only be created and that logging ran when you run powercfg -energy to log the stuff.

[night girder]

I am just gaming 🤣

and how come you don't have kernel eventracing?

[twin dew]

That is why I latched onto that.
Why is it running?

[twin dew]

Because those aren't supposed to run except when you are specifically set for logging, to diagnose the kernel or the machine.

[night girder]

🤷‍♂️

I think they started when I build machine tbh.

first one I find is: 17/10/2023 13:15:39 - "Session "PerfDiag Logger" stopped due to the following error: 0xC0000188"

[twin dew]

Ok, think some of that is for the Startup Impact and App power usage...
But why are they failing on the machine...

Found thread with the same problems from 2014.

No resolution.

[night girder]

Yeah also googling.

Not finding much usefull information. A bunch of "try this and then this and then this"

[twin dew]

But having those log entries isn't normal.
Even if the system runs.

[night girder]

Don't know 🤷‍♂️

"Hi,It indicates an OS component (Perfdiag) is modifying an ETW session that is for private use by the operating system. For various reasons it has to be done with a retry loop because of some async activity; anytime we retry before that async activity has completed we get an error.
It's not an actual, legitimate error and these log entries should be completely benign. We can safely ignore them.
Best regards,
Yilia"

answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/session-perfdiag-logger-stopped-due-to-the/fad221b3-2690-4f2d-a21a-2a1e39a20808

[twin dew]

If it is normal, why don't my three computers have any?

[night girder]

This user is so right.

I don't know Baldur. There are many ways to install Windows and configure it.

Also I am using W11 pro

I whish there was a way to get more hardware logging, like if hardware fails, before shutting it down, write a log of which part of the hardware fails or something.

I mean, if the PSU is the problem I guess it's impossible to write anything, since it just shuts down. But I don't think it's PSU

[twin dew]

Some AMD MBs have been set to not notify OS of problems, just swallow or reboot depending on severity.

If you don't change couple of AGESA settings from Auto.

[night girder]

since my screen freezes to black (but my screen is still lit?) and then start to try to restart and eventually restarts.

or the crash into restarts happens in MS so I don't see it and the PSU is still the issue. mhm.

time to install hogwarts to test if I have problems there too 🤣

starfield looks way too boring for me.

one solution somebody recommended was installing amd drivers from 2022

[twin dew]

Or try the 23.7.2? https://drivers.amd.com/drivers/whql-amd-software-adrenalin-edition-23.7.2-win10-win11-july25.exe

Next few were unstable for me, but I'm on Polaris.
And now the Polaris has been split.

[night girder]

somebody mentioned yesterday intel driver team still has work to do.

it seems AMD also has some work to do with their drivers 😛

[twin dew]

Not enough quality devs in the team.
Because of the lean days.
And lot of catching up to do to repair the damage done to the code base.

There seems to be some kind of rewrite in parts going on.
And the results aren't always perfect when they push the new code to users.

[night girder]

How do you define unstable driver for you?

does it mean it also crashed when gaming or does it crash when you benchmark?

[night girder]

referencing to this comment.

[twin dew]

Screens going black on desktop for few seconds for example.
No total crashes.

But drivers rebooting.

And that doesn't work properly on the new GPUs IIRC.

And lead to that black screen staying.

[night girder]

gotcha

[twin dew]

Don't exactly remember anymore.
Need to install newer drivers again at some point, but those work fine for me at this time, including U8.

And so haven't bothered to try again.

But IIRC they pushed one rewritten part to the drivers in spring, and that 7.1 and 7.2 were first to be "perfect" after those, and possibly pushed another part in after that.

But the memory is very hazy.

[night girder]

🙂

Thanks for helping me out

or think on the problem with me 🤣

[edgy hazel]

Took 30 years but Nintendo has finally switched to a low fiber diet

[night girder]

that animation on the left is so much better

the right is lacking animation 🤣

[gleaming shadow]

That memtest takes a very very long time....

But I don't completely understand the settings, I am now Drr5 6000 with memclk = ulck and infinity clock om auto, timings at 40 40 40

I can go 6400 memclk 1:1 with the 40 40 40, and later try to lower timings? (X670 board 1.1.0.0 aesga

[twin dew]

Like I said, try with XMP on at whatever it sets.
Possibly setting the MCLK=UCLK to keep them in sync on the 6400.

[gleaming shadow]

I did, Ilbit it swapped to mclk to /2

[twin dew]

You can first enable the XMP, then set that back to 1:1

[gleaming shadow]

Steps I took, turn on xmp, changed 1 timing from 36 to 40, and set speed to 6400 with 1:1 and memtested it

O and infinity clock to auto, what does that do?

[twin dew]

Ok, so the set was specced to X-40-40-something.

[gleaming shadow]

yea 36-40-40 figured a lil slower probly be more stable

[twin dew]

Changes the Infinity Fabric / FCLK speed.
The bus inside CPU between the dies.

1733 or 1800 is stock, 2000 is the "will work" OC, up to 2200 is possible in cases.
But as the error reporting for it isn't currently working yet, you only know if it is unstable by dropping performance from retransmissions and unexplained reboots.

Higher is better when it works.

[gleaming shadow]

Yeah it was out to 2000, I'll try that next and see if it runs the 6400 with 1:1

[dire igloo]

What die is it?

[gleaming shadow]

Where can I find that?

I'm still learning 😇

[twin dew]

SPD will tell the die manufacturer.
But as it clocks to 6400 then it is Hynix M or A.
If the set isn't 24/48GB one but 16/32GB.

Getting the actual die would mean removing heat spreaders and looking at the die markings.
If the manufacturer didn't tell.

RAM set manufacturer.

[dire igloo]

Samsung can't do 6400?

[gleaming shadow]

corsair cmk32gx5m2b6400c36

[twin dew]

With Corsair the RAM packaging would have had "Ver #.##" marking that would tell.

And seems that the newer revisions of Samsung can do over 6000MT/s.
Old ones were limited to around that IIRC.

Original ones would hit ceiling at around 5800/6000MT/s.

With 1.4V

[gleaming shadow]

Don't think I have the packaging anymore

[twin dew]

Corsair doesn't limit to single die type per SKU like that cmk32gx5m2b6400c36, but then just puts extra version information on each box that tells the RAM die manufacturer and die specifics.

If you know the decoding.

[gleaming shadow]

Had a picture

But non telling....

[twin dew]

Might have been in the plastic inside.
Not in that, that is just seller sticker.

Ver #.##.##.

[gleaming shadow]

Yeah, I'm at work now, but I don't think I still have it... No other way to check it?

[twin dew]

SPD will tell the manufacturer, but not version.

CPU-Z inside OS, Asus has SPD checker inside BIOS at least, Memtest has SPD checker but not sure if it is there in the free version, so on.

Aida and HWiNFO can show it.

And seems later Micron can do 6400MT/s on XMP too with 1.4V.

[gleaming shadow]

I'll have a looksy to night if my wife let's me

[twin dew]

But might be Micron:

What were the XMP timings?

[gleaming shadow]

Stupid thing is it xmp, but was sold for amd

[sterile plinth]

does this look legit to yall

www.ebay.com/itm/404627379646?epid=6044499437&hash=item5e35abd5be%3Ag%3AHCQAAOSwTqZlViHL&LH_BIN=1&LH_ItemCondition=1000|1500|2010|3000|2020

[gleaming shadow]

With profile turned on 38-40-40 last I can't recall

[charred pewter]

SUSPECT EVERYTHING

[twin dew]

So probably Hynix variant then.

38-40-40-84 @ 1.35V?

[gleaming shadow]

Have to check, also voltage need to check I recon it was 1.4 didn't change that

[twin dew]

Asus likes to add extra 0.05V to XMP.

Or not sure?

[gleaming shadow]

Not sure, at work and with my vpn home I cant check bios... I get home in about 2 hours 8 can have a looksy

[twin dew]

Also if you just went with the marketing name, then it might not even be that specific SKU code.

So lets wait until you check the SPD.

And stop speculating.

[gleaming shadow]

That code was from memtest

[twin dew]

Ok, so from the SPD.

[charred pewter]

ive had odd results with just flipping on XMP in bios over the years, different boards and things... i seem to always hear its the 'easy' way to just set your ram right, but why is it so unpredictable?

memtest has a habit of reporting the wrong timings, even though the ram is running at the set timings

[twin dew]

Because XMP is OC.
It is just what the RAM manufacturer says the RAM can do, with golden sample CPU and MB.

Not what it can do in YOUR system.

[charred pewter]

its weird how they then put THOSE timings 'on the package' for ram...

not the standard safe run timings

[twin dew]

The SPD part contains the standard "will run" timings, XMP contains the RAM max.

The SPD is used if you don't manually enable XMP.

[charred pewter]

luckily though this round, with my corsair ram and msi motherboard, they all been playing very nicely

my last set, was g.skill and msi ... and boy they hated xmp

i had an asus board with g.skill too, never was able to turn on xmp without it rebooting over and over

(which i believe was not the normal 'learning reboots', but rather 'ram misconfigured reboots')

i dont even think that 'learning' stuff existed back when i had an asus+gskill ram setup 😄

[charred pewter]

whats a decent but cheap computer camera that does that depth of field replacement tech stuff (so it doesnt record your room, just you in front of some fake backdrop, or no backdrop at all)

[narrow folio]

isn't that green screen and doable with 'every' camera because it's done in software?

not necessarily needing a real physical green screen

[pure karma]

400MBPS on a nvme i think thats a record for the slowest NVME i have seen so far...

[narrow folio]

quick search spat out Xsplit vcam as software that supports replacing your background

[narrow folio]

QVO?

[pure karma]

idk what that even is

[narrow folio]

the next step from TLC

[charred pewter]

i thought it had to do with the camera being able to do proper 'depth of field detection'

[pure karma]

still lost but this may answer your question

[narrow folio]

4 different voltage levels per cell, known to be real slow when the virtual buffer is full

SATA is not nvme

[pure karma]

its a nvme on a adapter so its compeltely confused

[narrow folio]

6GBit max speed as the theoretical limit of the interface

550MB/s is about the max you can expect from a sata connection if everything is dandy, but usually less

[narrow folio]

type of drive? M.2 is not guaranteed to be nvme

[twin dew]

And many of the HMB NVMe drives will shit themselves in any non-PCIe connection, as they cannot use the HMB.

Even inside the pSLC cache.

[gleaming shadow]

I think obs also has a plugin for that, obs is free

[narrow folio]

Yeah, OBS should be able to handle that

[charred pewter]

or... looks like i can just use NVIDIA Broadcast since its like ... free

i couldnt find it in OBS ....

[narrow folio]

but maybe @charred pewter means the real depth of field cameras where you can adjust the DoF even after the recording?

[charred pewter]

or actually lol the nvidia broadcast IS the obs plugin

[charred pewter]

but yeah, i was originally thinking of actual hardware that did the background blur itself in the capture

[narrow folio]

Miau

[charred pewter]

but if its easy enough to just software do it with new apps and things like nvidia using my rtx card... maybe no need for the hardware

ive just been pondering adding 'myself' to my game streams ....... i keep putting it off... cause like, who wants to watch me... dont people watch the game stream instead? LOL

unless its like snutt, where you dont care about whatever game it is he is playing, cause the game sucks ...

[narrow folio]

small window with your face to see reactions can be nice

I miss Jace. Their interactions with each other were great

but snutt manages to be fun alone really great so far

[charred pewter]

yeah

[narrow folio]

Hopefully he will find someone to accompany him again

the move from 2 to 3 to 1 community managers in this short timeframe was kinda unexpected

[charred pewter]

yes

[narrow folio]

well, technically speaking community managing is tech related when talking about OBS

[charred pewter]

its all maxeeks fault

but i guess first i need to know what video cam to buy that works with the pc and nvidia/obs ....

meh too much effort 😄

[narrow folio]

probably every USB cam can be used, I have no real experience with this as I never streamed anything myself

[jagged snow]

Yup

No need to go with something fancier unless you're aiming for a higher production value

[narrow folio]

Intel RealSense Depth Camera D435

bit pricey, but records depth

[charred pewter]

i just like being able to hold a phone to my ear without it pushing all kinds of buttons on a touch screen

i always go to speaker now ... lol

i dont hold it up to my ear, cant stand it

[charred pewter]

i dont like apple peripherals

i like useful stuff

magic mouse, pointless

yeah, they are

but i will gladly pay more for a mouse that doesnt feel like horse shit in my hand

which is what every corsair mouse feels like

and logitech now

yeah.... and that Lenovu mouse holy cow... its actually painful to hold after awhile

[obsidian smelt]

I am benchmarking my PC and it is making me sad.

[gleaming shadow]

Aight, I'm home. Xmp1 js 6400 32 40 40 40 84 at 1.40v

[obsidian smelt]

I am seriously considering water cooling so I can do some OCing

[twin dew]

What are you using to check that right now?

[dire igloo]

good air cooler beats mediocre AIO

[gleaming shadow]

Bios

[twin dew]

Ok, and trying to use that CL32 would be good idea for performance.

Need some kind of SPD checker, either at the Tools section of the BIOS or some program to see the die manufacturer

[gleaming shadow]

Right now i have set ram to 6400 inf to 2100 timings to 32 40 40 84

It booted, now for me it's near dinner time, so

Fingers crossed

[twin dew]

If the CAS was problem, it would manifest almost immediately.

That first latency.

[gleaming shadow]

With this bios, so far so good

Also it's 1:1 now and not 1:2

Last time I has xmb on, Wich did all the same but fclck on 2000 and /2, j had a ton of errors withing seconds of test

Now it's 1:1 fclck 2100, so far still running

[night girder]

Sound recording is easy This is from the manual of one single brand of microphone:

[gleaming shadow]

My son had the letterdief in school last year

[gleaming shadow]

I spy in my eye some errors!

[twin dew]

Ok, so possibly too tight CAS, if the previous ones were ok.

[twin dew]

So now you can just run the Test 9 until that passes while changing settings.

[gleaming shadow]

So the 32 swap that to 33 and run test 9?

[twin dew]

+2 each time.

Those test 10 and 13 take long and only need to be run once, at the end.
Test 10 only tests tREFI and tRFCs, Hammer test is specialist test to detect if RowHammer attack is possible or not.

[gleaming shadow]

Aight, and the fclck should I try to get that higher then 2100?

[twin dew]

Don't

Raising FCLK needs performance testing, as it has insane error recovery capacity and doesn't report errors.
Only causes reboots once the error recovery cannot handle it.

Buildzoid could cause the performance to drop by third with unstable FCLK without reboots IIRC.

Because the bus was completely fucked third of the time.

[gleaming shadow]

So the 2100 might cause problems later on, so of I get random reboots I can try lowering that one

[twin dew]

Would need to run performance test on 2000, and compare that to 2100, and then anything above.

To see when the performance starts to drop.
That can come much sooner than reboots.
Or for me the reboots came before performance drop.

Need to wait for AMD to add IF Machine Check Error reporting to the AGESA.
So Windows Event Log will show when corrected errors happened.

Not there in 1.0.0.7c yet, don't know about the 1.1.0.0 you are on.

[gleaming shadow]

Aight, I'll keep my eyes open

After dinner I put 34 In and test 9

[obsidian smelt]

Ugh. My benchmark results are tear inducing.

[twin dew]

Ok, so was more widespread and 7 would be the best for quick testing probably?

To first get that to zero, then run all to confirm.

[gleaming shadow]

Changed to 34 now

36 now lol

If it S eems okay, I run all test 1 to 9?

[twin dew]

Or everything but the 11 and 13.

[gleaming shadow]

Okay

[night girder]

You won't get much help in here if you don't pinpoint what you exactly want or what the issue is 🤣

and if you know what you are doing, then you should be able to get better benchmarks results 🤷‍♂️

Just buy more expensive hardware. Smash it together. Enjoy your benchmarks. More or less.

[gleaming shadow]

Hey that's what i did

[night girder]

I think some OC fanatics enjoy getting more performance out of "mid-tier" hardware then just OC'ing top-tier hardware.

[gleaming shadow]

I tried overclocking a xeon...

In my old ASRock x99m killer mb

[night girder]

Sadly, I am more of a gamer than a OC. Meaning I prefer a stable system and games than fiddle around and a rig that crashes during gaming 😛

[gleaming shadow]

Figured I have 4 xeons laying around

Xeon 2630v3X2 and 2630v4X2

With 2 supermicro dual socket mbs

[gleaming shadow]

Same here, but I do like to learn new stuff, so this oc is kina new, I like

[night girder]

spare hardware sounds ideal for OC

[night girder]

same here haha 😄 I love to learn

[twin dew]

I haz Kamera.

But need to do more temporary cable management tomorrow.
Unplugged it for now.

My apartment door.

[night girder]

... oh I know what you mean

Cable tray?

[twin dew]

or duct or raceway or several other terms.

[dusty berry]

On Wall Raceway is the typical term used for it.

[night girder]

google translate, I mean duckduckgo translate?

[dusty berry]

Some refer to it by a brand name of Panduit.

[twin dew]

cable trunking is one more.

[night girder]

blame the 🦆

[twin dew]

Tray is usually for the metal stuff in utility and industrial settings near ceiling that doesn't have top.

[gleaming shadow]

Conduit?

[twin dew]

And usually conduit for the in-wall etc. stuff.

That is not visible at all.

[gleaming shadow]

Not native English speaker...

[night girder]

same here buddy

you.

[twin dew]

Not me.

[night girder]

you just pretend to be czech

True.

And Amber. Who dissapeared. Might be back. Might not? Who knows 🤷‍♂️

[dusk rivet]

me!

if i can type properly that is

[night girder]

Good start 👍

[dusk rivet]

sometimes i feel like gibberish is my native language with how much i mess up typing

[night girder]

I am too lazy to fix my sentences while I type. So I just edit them afterwards.

It's a trade-off for me between speed while typing and typos.

Nobody uses CyberLink software* here?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CyberLink#Products

rofl, microsoft got blocked.

Why the hell isn't microsoft whitelisted 🤣

anyway -> www.microsoft.com/en-us/security/blog/2023/11/22/diamond-sleet-supply-chain-compromise-distributes-a-modified-cyberlink-installer/

They got hacked.

To address the potential risk of further attacks against our customers, Microsoft has taken the following steps to protect customers in response to this malicious activity:
Microsoft has communicated this supply chain compromise to CyberLink
Microsoft is notifying Microsoft Defender for Endpoint customers that have been targeted or compromised in this campaign
Microsoft reported the attack to GitHub, which removed the second-stage payload in accordance with its Acceptable Use Policies
Microsoft has added the CyberLink Corp. certificate used to sign the malicious file to its disallowed certificate list
Microsoft Defender for Endpoint detects this activity as Diamond Sleet activity group.
Microsoft Defender Antivirus detects the malware as Trojan:Win32/LambLoad.

Credits where credits due, that's a good response tbh.

But they can only do that when the hack is on their radar. Microsoft can't fight what it doesn't know.

So I wonder how many hacks fly under that radar.

[edgy hazel]

you ever got a chance to play around with MS defender endpoint?

[night girder]

not yet, why?

[edgy hazel]

there is a reason that MS defender is the only one you need

[edgy hazel]

their hunting and log tools are really nice

[night girder]

I did read a bit about microsoft defender and I didn't disable it. Because it looked leggit.

[edgy hazel]

MS has to be on top of their game because they would loose a shitton of money if they can't keep their enterprise shit secure

[night girder]

Yeah, I agree with you.

[edgy hazel]

and that trickles down to customers fast

[night girder]

And they also try to use real live data (from our computers) to update defender more quickly. They have a cloud that get's updated with user data (malicious files).

It's not only the older people. It's also companies like CyberLink who needs protection. Apparantly 🤣

[edgy hazel]

nah ur parents ain't matter to them. We talking business

[night girder]

I am a big believer of the following: if you are targeted by a hacker. You are screwed.

[edgy hazel]

depends

[night girder]

If you are not directly targeted by a hacker, but it's some fishing technique that the hacker uses, then it's your own fault. With this I mean, if you download a game from malicious websites, don't complain if your system gets viruses, trojans, spyware or hacked.

Sometimes hackers throw stuff on the internet and hope idiots get baited by it. You can do somethign against it. But if a hacker wants in onto your system. oof.

[edgy hazel]

mostly on the "hacker" but since we got 15 yos arrested for breaching the security of huge companies

[night girder]

Oh, with screwed I mean, you gonna get hacked 😄

[edgy hazel]

what type? ransom?

[night girder]

Not bankrupt screwed. I don't know the consequences of the hack. But I am pretty sure they will get in. Hackers who target can spend months/years to get into a system. You don't know how stubborn they can be.

[edgy hazel]

they are free to release my taxes if they want to xD

[night girder]

haha 🤣

And that's what I mean, if any of us are targeted, I doubt there is little we can do. Maybe unplug from the internet.

[edgy hazel]

but what would be the consequence?

[night girder]

I just say this because I watched a lot of defcon videos. And they all get what they want in the end.

It's really amazing what they do, sometimes way above my head, but still very fun to watch those videos.

Maybe one day I will go to defcon, but then again, I don't want to get hacked.

Rule number one if you go to defcon: don't bring your own phone 🤣

[edgy hazel]

Rule number 2: never click links in infosec discords

[night girder]

What is that? 👀

[gleaming shadow]

yea i figured you speak the same lanug as me

[night girder]

we speak the same taal?

I don't geloof you man

[gleaming shadow]

yea, thats like the one woord die i cant type well

[night girder]

bro that mission, that stand-off.

@inner shale https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY7S5CUqPxI

[tough owl]

https://fixupx.com/whitetailani/status/1727576164284129654?s=46 @night girder food for thought

[edgy hazel]

Say something Dutch

[night girder]

Dang, a good one, went above my head though

[night girder]

And is this a joke?

[tough owl]

to my knowledge no

[night girder]

that's how the windows update scripts on github work

they kill all services related to updating windows. And check for it every 1-3 seconds.

[tough owl]

it was tested on 15.4 so it could've changed on 16 and 17

[night girder]

That's so redicilous. We (consumers) have to resort to such tricks because we don't have access to the OS itself.

Why they do it like this 😭

They have access to their own freaking code of their own OS.

[tough owl]

junior dev probably made it

and apple was like it works lets ship it

[night girder]

Just add a flag. If you flag_enabled = 0. Don't start. If flag_enabled = 1. Start service.

[tough owl]

hi max

[night girder]

Must be this. Holy shit. 🤣

[tough owl]

im learning about qrng today

[night girder]

Maybe I should work for Apple 🤔

If this is the quality they are looking for, I can provide!

[tough owl]

🤣

www.osti.gov/servlets/purl/1261542

how much money you got?

[night girder]

Try explaining to people that the current random isn't actual random ...

[gleaming shadow]

iets

[tough owl]

reminds me of apples shuffle implementation was too random that people complained so they made it seem random

[night girder]

we call them random btw, but that doesn't mean it's random?

"random" itself is a headbreaker

[tough owl]

alright I got a page an a half to write i'll let yall talk about random

[night girder]

can just be we don't understand it yet is what I am trying to say

[night girder]

good luck!

[twin dew]

True random sources do exist.
But mostly computers use hopefully almost true random sources to feed pseudorandom algorightms.

[tough owl]

20 page papers suck

shoot me now

[night girder]

ok, like what?

[twin dew]

Thermal noise, radiactive decay etc.

[tough owl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxP30euw3-0

[night girder]

Yeahj right...

when I use random in Python ... it's connected to thermal noise or radiactive decay

no, it's just maths spoofing the feeling of random.

[twin dew]

I did specify on the next line what most OS do.

[tough owl]

didnt mean to reply oops

[twin dew]

Using HW random sources to feed entropy to pseudorandom algos that actually create most of the "random" numbers you ask for.

[night girder]

Yeah, that's the reality of random on a computer.

Like a lot of random algorythms probably use time.

[tough owl]

oh piss off

[night girder]

and you can use the temperature too. And every variable that can be somewhat "random".

[tough owl]

man7.org/linux/man-pages/man3/rand_r.3.html my beloved

yea its pseudo but its good enough

[twin dew]

And those "real random" sources are physical addon devices that most computers don't have.
The newer CPUs etc. do have "almost the same, if you trust the CPU maker" things in them.

[night girder]

That's interesting.

[tough owl]

like radioactive clocks to keep time for networks

[twin dew]

Example for Intel:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RDRAND

[night girder]

Is radiactive decay really random btw?

[tough owl]

I assume theres the same to get true random numbers to be generated

[twin dew]

AFAIK as far as we know.

Over long term it averages out, but in short term yes.

For current knowledge.

In general: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_random_number_generator

[night girder]

A hardware random number generator is expected to output near-perfect random numbers ("full entropy").[1] A physical process usually does not have this property, and a practical TRNG typically includes few blocks:[8]
a noise source that implements the physical process producing the entropy. Usually this process is analog, so a digitizer is used to convert the output of the analog source into a binary representation;
a conditioner (randomness extractor) that improves the quality of the random bits;
health tests. TRNGs are mostly used in cryptographical algorithms that get completely broken if the random numbers have low entropy, so the
testing functionality is usually included.

near-perfect ... but not perfect. Interesting.

[twin dew]

It is a range again.

[night girder]

I wonder, can humans make up true random numbers? Or is our brain also "wired" that it doesn't actually create real random numbers.

[twin dew]

Worse ones are cheaper and smaller.
Including those in-CPU ones that first came to ARM CPUs IIRC and now on both Intel and AMD too.
And then to giant things that only provide few bits per minute.

[night girder]

If I ask myself to give up a random number: 31 for example, I notice most numbers I come up with is below 100.

Interesting.

I have to look into that noise source. See how that works.

[twin dew]

Are lottery machines perfect random number generators?
No. But close enough for it to not actually matter.

As example.

The ball types etc.

[night girder]

I don't do social.

[night girder]

Yeah, I know philosophy isn't a topic in this channel. But I keep breaking my head over what "true" random is.

[twin dew]

There are HW random number generators for computers based on automated ball-type lottery machine and camera IIRC.

True randomness is impossible to prove, at least as one point.

[night girder]

Yeah.

Most things have patterns, or can be calculated. Like if I throw a ball in the air it will bounce "x" amount of times. I can throw it again in the air and it will maybe bounce a different amount of times. But if you have a smart scientist with you, they can probably predict the bounces of the ball if they have the right parameters like: velocity, height, shape of the ball, shape of the ground, ... etc.

Sometimes I just think we aren't smart enough to really figure out what is going on, and we call it random. When we look at nature/science.

it's not random. It's in their DNA.

and DNA is still relatively new for science.

[twin dew]

Only part of it is DNA.

[night girder]

They are able to modify DNA to give babies blue eyes.

[twin dew]

For the patterning.

Grow time exact temperatures etc. affect the result.

[night girder]

So it's not random.

Because if it's temperature related, we can measure the temperature and calculate the effect on the hair color.

but I understand what you are saying Maxeek. I just don't see it as random.

Because I believe it's not random.

We just might not understand the pattern 🤷‍♂️

We are still stupid you know. I mean 1000 years of now, if we still exist, they will call us stupid.

Just like we do with people living in medieval times. My point is, we are flawed. We might not know everything 🤷‍♂️

[maiden coyote]

they're going to be making fun of us for burning shit for power for 100 years

[dusk rivet]

what’s the difference between argb and rgb in layman’s terms

[night girder]

adressable rgb, so normal rgb, the leds are all connected together and can show one color.

for adressable rgb, the leds can be "adressed" individual.

So you can create other effects with argb than rgb.

[dusk rivet]

so with argb you could change the color of a single led, but with rgb you couldn’t

[night girder]

you cannot do that as a user, but programs have these fancy predifined templates for lightning.

[dusk rivet]

ah

noice

[night girder]

This shows it better.

[dusk rivet]

oh cool

[night girder]

So the right one, can be one color, any color, but one.

The left one has control what led in the circle is what color 😅

[dusk rivet]

rgb has an 8 bit integer limit for each color value usually right?

0-255

[night girder]

I am happy with it yes 😄

[twin dew]

That is the most common.
But not limited to that, it is implementation specific.

[night girder]

I mean, how am I suspose to answer. Do you mean argb? Yes I have argb.

don't you have an nvidia gpu?

pretty sure that one consumes more than my whole rig 😉

Ok, probably not.

[dusk rivet]

ah

[maiden coyote]

low power, and weak (:

[night girder]

I mean, I am already a big power consumer. I have a NAS, switch, PC, laptop, speakers, amplifiers ...

[dusk rivet]

do they just control brightness of a given led via voltage?

i really should just go google this

[night girder]

but I wouldn't need to feel guilty if all energy was green.

[maiden coyote]

NAS, udm-pro, multiple servers, several pc's, laptops

and my power comes from c0al

[night girder]

Why not just go for argb? It's the most modern 🤷‍♂️

[night girder]

shame shame on you 😉

[dusk rivet]

i am getting argb fans, just curious how rgb works

[maiden coyote]

I believe argb controls the brightness by the data sent to it.

[dusk rivet]

thermalright tl-s12’s

[twin dew]

Even current monitors can be 6bit, 8bit, 10bit or 12bit per color for the actual display panel.

[night girder]

oh, touchy subject for me 😛

[dusk rivet]

they look cool and they cheap

[night girder]

uhu uhu

[dusk rivet]

that just affects granularity right? not max brightness

[twin dew]

Amount of steps between minimum brightness and maximum brightness.

What those are depends on other things, mainly the physical limitations.

[dusk rivet]

what’s wrong with them?

[night girder]

but in the end, we only need 3 colors right?

and those 3 create the illusion of different colors. Because of the density of the leds.

[twin dew]

More would be better in some ways.
Just that we specced to the minimum usable one.

No case rainbow for me.

[dusk rivet]

how can a mouse be overkill?

whole keyboard on the side?

ah

when do we get hot swap mouse switches

i’d rather have no mouse than be forced to download any razer software

i just realized i’m gonna have to swap out the cpu fans

[night girder]

being forced to download software feels bad

[dusk rivet]

god i hate doing that

i could pop out the gpu so i can more easily access the lower bracket thingy for the fans

should just be a screw or two for the pcie bracket, then jiggle it out

just gotta make sure not to break the gpu in the process

[night girder]

just relax, don't stress it, and take your time.

And it should be all fine 🙂

[dusk rivet]

oh ik

i stress over anything related to my computer

i know exactly how to do it, i just stress regardless

even with the cheap stuff

[night girder]

I can only speak for me, but when I stress, I fuck up.

I rather take 10 minuts removing my GPU than break it for example.

[dusk rivet]

when i stress i just check i’m doing it correctly 183 times

do those vibration isolation fan mounting thingies do anything?

[night girder]

only time I stressed is when I booted it up for the first time

those damned postcodes.

stupid thing is, once you building, you want to build more

[edgy hazel]

this fucking double post

[night girder]

⁉️

[dusk rivet]

very expensive addiction hobby

[edgy hazel]

sry POST*

[dusk rivet]

lga1700 has no pins doesn’t it?

pins on the board and not the cpu?

isn’t that the case for amd too?

[night girder]

AM5

and somebody fucked up. Fat fingered the pins.

[edgy hazel]

yeah I'm CPU pin team all the way

[night girder]

asking on reddit how to fix it 🤣

[edgy hazel]

I fucked up my old LGA socket up too

[night girder]

auch

[edgy hazel]

took a shot, pliers and patience

to fix it

[maiden coyote]

if you've got a microscope, and tweezers you can try. that'd probably be your best chance

[night girder]

yeah I know but still ...

Would you like to go through that process?

[edgy hazel]

never again

good night

[maiden coyote]

not in the least bit.

[night girder]

someone says the cpu arrived like this. I mean pins are just bad.

No matter if it's on the CPU or socket.

[maiden coyote]

watch in a few years we're going to miss bent pins.. all the new chips are going to be BGA

[night girder]

what's bad about BGA?

[maiden coyote]

well. you won't buy a processor anymore. you'll just buy a motherboard

[night girder]

oh, it's on the board 😒

[edgy hazel]

I want SGA 😦

[night girder]

I though that we could still just swap it in and out

[maiden coyote]

with a reflow station you can.. but you need that and experience

and your chips are rated to handle reflow temps once.

[edgy hazel]

Solder Grid Array

[night girder]

that's just screams: let me replace my CPU every generation

[dusk rivet]

why

[edgy hazel]

no bent pins

[dusk rivet]

ok fair enough

it’s all fun and games till you need to swap out the cpu

[night girder]

just relax and take your time 🤣

[edgy hazel]

snapping every wire one by one sounds satisfying

[night girder]

laser cut it

[dusk rivet]

now do it with every component

cpu, ram, gpu, m.2, keyboard, mouse

forgets one cable dead center on the cpu and now it doesn’t boot

good luck adding just that one cable

at least most of the rest of them are in a nice line

gpu, ram, m.2

floating keyboard where the switches are 10 inches above the pcb

[edgy hazel]

🤔 pcb less keyboard

just switches on your desk wired to the controller

[dusk rivet]

but the controller is mounted beneath the desk

so you just have hundreds of 2ft wires headed to the back of your desk

5 pin switches and a 100% keyboard

well still only 2 wires to connect for a given switch

[night girder]

So they kicked him out. Then employees wanted to leave because they fired him. Microsoft was talking to Sam to hire him. And then openai hired Sam Altman again?

[dusk rivet]

only 208 wires

[night girder]

Gotta love some good drama 👌

well he played it smart

and had his employees behind him it seems

[narrow folio]

MS is kinda dependent on some of the openai stuff, invested heavily into the company. Only natural to offer him and his followers a job

[night girder]

wonder what they were thinking when they fired him. Or what happened.

This is the stockfish AI for chess. What it does it calculate all possible future moves and further outcomes to then choose path with highest win probability. And for this it uses multiple servers if I am not mistaken. So it's not smart or intelligent, it just use a shit ton of resources (brainpower) to calculate every possible outcome.

[narrow folio]

chess was nice, but Go was where the fun started

[edgy hazel]

: )

[night girder]

I don't have an account.

[edgy hazel]

I use my MS one

[night girder]

🤘

[narrow folio]

this happening today would be a nice way for a digital detox

[night girder]

I cannot blame people for using it. I just don't want "another" account. Or website using my data.

[dire igloo]

where's pornhub on this chart?

[night girder]

or google

[narrow folio]

somehow, someday, right after chatgpt 11 will turn into skynet humankind will be saved by this👍

[edgy hazel]

they didn't eventell the MS CEO that Sam got fired from openAI

MS owns 49% of openAI

[night girder]

aslong as we don't program in self awereness we should be good right 👀

[visual tree]

<<<<< It is already self-aware

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpsons-end-of-the-world-end-is-near-gif-16593998

[edgy hazel]

oh god this openAI stuff is so stupid

the board tried to put the old twitch CEO as CEO

[night girder]

I wonder if they will call this another revolution. Like the industrial revolution but with AI.

[visual tree]

Because it makes me feel dizzy

[night girder]

sounds like a solid argument

he just faints 🤣

[visual tree]

Wish I had my own public pool

I think chlorine is added in pools in powder or liquid form. Otherwise, they would have to rescue me from drowning

[narrow folio]

looking at the ever rapidly increasing speed of development, maybe...

AI is in an early amoeba stadium, but eventually those evolved into humans

[night girder]

not how AI works

[narrow folio]

Sure, we have to push it to a stage where it can design it's own next generation

[night girder]

exactly.

[narrow folio]

and even then it will maybe never happen or take forever

[night girder]

now AI is mostly ML.

[narrow folio]

Artificial Idiocy

[night girder]

meaning, it's learning with our assistance.

This is what a lot of AI uses: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinforcement_learning

[narrow folio]

if machine learning gets us to a stage where we as mankind are reaping nice benefits, why not
If those are nearly indistinguishable from a human response when asked about the weather this is nice

[night girder]

that's why I said industrial revolution

because they though the same back then

[narrow folio]

vi? nano

[night girder]

in the end a lot of people did lose their job. But they found other jobs.

[edgy hazel]

imo this whole "it's just ML and not AI" is like looking at a wheel and saying how it's not a car

[night girder]

It just sucks that stuff like development could be done by AI. Or music. Or movies. Books...

[night girder]

bro, trust me

you don't want to get into it 🤣 In the sense that I've had this discussion before.

And it was like a never ending cycle.

[narrow folio]

I remember, it was a while back

[obsidian smelt]

You assume I want help and not just somewhere to moan about my results.

[narrow folio]

the tech has immense potential, but only time will tell

[edgy hazel]

we're in the very early stages of AI. Complaining that it's not true AI is dumb

[narrow folio]

who would be so mad an ride a carriage moved by explosive stuff in a rotary engine? Horses have been here for ever and they will stay that way! thrust me, this is just a fad and will die out soon...

[edgy hazel]

“Students today depend on paper too much. They don’t know how to write on a slate without getting chalk dust all over themselves. They can’t clean a slate properly. What will they do when they run out of paper?”

[night girder]

Not everyone agrees that it's AI 🤷‍♂️

[narrow folio]

not yet

[edgy hazel]

Machine learning is a subset of AI

[night girder]

Discussion from a year ago

you were involved too herg 😛

[narrow folio]

baldur too

[edgy hazel]

yes

and as long as wikipedia says ML is a subset of AI I will stand behind it

[narrow folio]

it is, who questions that?

[night girder]

I mean, I don't know. I can just post what others said about it.

made a whole lot of sense though, it's all just ML 🤷‍♂️

Not saying it can't lead into AI. But I don't see it yet.

[narrow folio]

ML is a stepping stone for AI

[edgy hazel]

it's a subset of AI

[night girder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_4BPjLBF4E I liked this video a lot.

[narrow folio]

Codebullet makes awesome Videos about reinforced learning

[edgy hazel]

the paperclip theory is so stupid

[night girder]

🤔

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7TUe5w6RHo this one?

[edgy hazel]

ew kurzgesagt

[night girder]

they make good videos

[edgy hazel]

kurzgesagt is in billionaires pockets promoting shit that shouldn't be promoted. So no. It's worse than nothing.

[night girder]

yeah, earths history in one hour is very evil shit 🤣

I can see how I am being brainwashed.

I mean, it's fringe science. I know what it is. Still entertaining.

[sterile plinth]

is ebay gonna havew some sort of discount on black friday?

[edgy hazel]

more stuff like "in the future we should have good climate tech so we don't have to worry about it rn"

[night girder]

LTT fans shouldn't be mocking me for watching kurzgesagt 🤣

It's the same shit. Entertainment.

[edgy hazel]

good that they don't

[edgy hazel]

so is fox news

[dusk rivet]

no no, dinosaurs never existed, the devil created fossils to test our faith

[night girder]

bro, you liked LTT

🤣

[edgy hazel]

I'm saying they fell off hard for like 3 years now

what makes you think I'm a fan?

[dusk rivet]

yes yes it is

sadly it is

[sterile plinth]

finally, a logical person1

[night girder]

the history of this channel?

[edgy hazel]

I also like helping animals. Am I a koala now?

[night girder]

I mean, not bad being a fan of LTT. I don't care about that. Just saying, if you were, you should understand that entertaining channels can be fun.

even if they sell half truths.

[edgy hazel]

sry let me make it a lil more clear
entertainment = good
entertainment with evil intentions = not good

[night girder]

Ok, what are their evil intentions?

[edgy hazel]

"In 2015, the channel received a 570,000 US dollar grant from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation"

[edgy hazel]

^^

[night girder]

Ok, what makes Bill Gates bad?

Him giving money to them. Do you know of some sort of shady deal they made?

Any contracts with evil stuff in it?

Why is Bill Gates a bady?

[edgy hazel]

^^

[night girder]

He gave us computers.

[sterile plinth]

i swear to god

every single time I see the name bill gates somewhere, people in the comments always hate him so muchj

[night girder]

exactly, I don't get it.

[sterile plinth]

I think he had something to do with Epstein? Either him or some other big CEO

but i know people hate him

[night girder]

So know everyone related to Epstein is evil?

Let me look into this.

[edgy hazel]

gates fucked up his lil malaria project and owns a sizable portion of farmland. He's very very dark grey in my books

[night girder]

And him giving money to kurzgesagt, makes them automatically also evil. Gotcha.

[sterile plinth]

guys....

I just realized bill gates is alive

I thought he was dead 😭

[night girder]

no he is much alive.

you just don't hear much about him 😛

[sterile plinth]

wait, jeff bezos is alive too?

[night girder]

yeah

[sterile plinth]

damn, I would swear these guys magically dissapeared some years ago, i have never heard about them in years

[night girder]

he is planning to buy irobot - www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstories/exclusive-amazon-to-win-unconditional-eu-nod-for-irobot-deal-sources

[sterile plinth]

whats irobot?

[night girder]

now amazon can control our vacuum robots 👿

[edgy hazel]

yes

[dull magnet]

guys does anyone here have a bit of time and experience in building big factories?

[night girder]

oh no ...

[edgy hazel]

yes

[dull magnet]

dude

my factories work good

but

[night girder]

I mean ... it kinda is yes?

[sterile plinth]

huh, I forgot this game exists, maybe now that i have a good pc i should try it

[dull magnet]

ill leave yall then

[edgy hazel]

👍

[night girder]

you into metalcore?

[dull magnet]

ik and thanks im just desperate

[night girder]

Yeah, I mean. They sing in english 😉

I know a dutch band with female vocalist and does she have a nasty voice. Just love it. But it's pretty heavy 😄

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/denis-shaforostov-denis-shaforosrov-stoff-asking-alexandria-gif-5904654

[night girder]

dutch ... 🤣

[sterile plinth]

guys does ebay ever have black friday sales

[edgy hazel]

In this moment fucks too

[sterile plinth]

since its used stuff

[edgy hazel]

yes. lemme just give a 25% black friday discount on my used recorder

[night girder]

to me, it doesn't matter which country. If it's good metal, I rock with it.

[sterile plinth]

lhc?

[night girder]

you and your particles

[sterile plinth]

the one at cern>?

yall are so big AI haters

[night girder]

it was on topic 🤷‍♂️

[edgy hazel]

That's what I call my bedroom

[dire igloo]

AI is overhyped

[sterile plinth]

it aint

[dire igloo]

there's stuff it can do really well (predict) and stuff it absolutely sucks at (think)

[edgy hazel]

no

it's in switzerland

[dire igloo]

then tell me how it scored less than 40 on an IQ test

[night girder]

thinking is the intelligence part?

👆

[dire igloo]

it's the most advanced pattern matching tech there is

[night girder]

we've had a whole discussion just now about it

[dire igloo]

yeah, missed that luckily

[edgy hazel]

I think the focus should be more the learning part. You don't have to program the patterns yourself

[dire igloo]

I love to refer to this vid
https://youtu.be/QrSCwxrLrRc

[night girder]

it's not freakin AI

[edgy hazel]

not a full AI*

[night girder]

It's just a hype name.

[dire igloo]

We don't have actual AI

[edgy hazel]

it's part of AI

[night girder]

That's my point the whole time!!!

I say it's ML. Some disagree here.

[dire igloo]

all we have is some blackbox that you feed text into and it continues that text

[edgy hazel]

ML is part of AGI

[night girder]

this.

[sterile plinth]

because its made to work with text

not images or whatever form an iq test its in

[dire igloo]

yup, but we are yet to see actual AI, let alone G

[sterile plinth]

Regardless I dont know what kind of miracle you expect with the Term AI

[edgy hazel]

we have the valve, time to build the rest of the motor

[night girder]

it sells good 😛

[dire igloo]

watch the video. It had the ability to perceive the images and judge them

[sterile plinth]

well yeah but its not perfect yet

[dire igloo]

and it wasn't detecting what's happening, it's giving the right answer

[sterile plinth]

ill watch it another time

[dire igloo]

it's very good at what it's designed to do - and absolutely sucks ass for everything else

[sterile plinth]

anyways i agree with you its pretty much a Neural Network but with extra stuff

but like, our brains have neurons too

[night girder]

it doesn't have neurons 😒

[dire igloo]

much much more than that AI has

[sterile plinth]

im pretty sure thats not too far away from how brains work, I think the neurons in our brain store some kind of "weight" values too

[sterile plinth]

lol obviously, but its the general concept

[dire igloo]

are you a neuroscientist?

[sterile plinth]

multiple neurons each with a weight value

[dire igloo]

because it could very well not be

[sterile plinth]

again, I said general concept, I don't know the details

[dire igloo]

we don't even know how a clump of neurons with some electrical pulses can form a conscience

[sterile plinth]

oh yeah, absolutely

[edgy hazel]

but it can play pong like a mfer

[dire igloo]

even your general concept is based on some really spicy assumptions

[sterile plinth]

the brain is insanely complicated

[night girder]

the fact is, whatever we call it, it's impacting our society and will shape the future.

[dire igloo]

anyways, ChatGPT is not an AI. It can't think, it doesn't know anything. It just has a bunch of texts and other stuff that it was trained on so that's what it tries to replicate

[sterile plinth]

https://youtu.be/GVsUOuSjvcg?si=NRz-RhKdeEfQvvaY&t=221

[dire igloo]

it is artificial, but it's not intelligent

[sterile plinth]

here, its timestamped. Pretty sure that is where I remember seeing something related to neurons

[night girder]

that's future computers?

[sterile plinth]

title is irrelevant

it expands into AI a lot

[sterile plinth]

What it "knows" is the data it has been trained on

that's its knowledge

Same way what a human "knows" is all of his life experiences

[dire igloo]

that's the thing - I am far from knowledgeable enough to judge if that is what's actually happening in the brain or if it's an oversimplified model meant to tie into how ML works

[sterile plinth]

Again I feel like you think AI should be some 500iq machine capable of curing cancer

[sterile plinth]

Well, I think that guy knows his stuff, Veritasium is not known for spreading false information often

[dire igloo]

except that learning from experience was one of the things that the AI failed to do - it's the exact opposite of life experience

ChatGPT is high INT, low WIS

[sterile plinth]

i think what chatGPT does is feed all of its previous interaction to every prompt

[dire igloo]

it has a bunch of books and other stuff that it has been trained on

[sterile plinth]

to make it feel like there is a coherent conversation

[dire igloo]

but it knows jack shit about reality

[sterile plinth]

it knows whatever it has been told

[dire igloo]

pretty sure it doesn't - if it did, gigantic privacy violation. Maybe it feeds all previous prompts from that one chat into the convo, but not everything that was ever written

[edgy hazel]

oh no it does that

[dire igloo]

besides, it'd be stupid af to include its own answers - and taking just the questions will only provide so much info

[night girder]

but in the video veritas tells us how the weighting system has to be carefully balanced out by us, humans. So it's still all coded? And limited to that specific job?

[edgy hazel]

the AI doesn't appear by wishing for it

[sterile plinth]

yes, from that one chat, obviously

so that it feels liek you are having a conversation with it in that session

it does not save every conversation it ever does 🤣

[dire igloo]

in the early stages, AI just guesses randomly. It'll get told right or wrong and adjust the internal judging parameters so that it'll produce more and more accurate results

[sterile plinth]

a computer is not a womb, you tell it what to do. Obviously.

A brain in a real human gets created automatically

[night girder]

Yeah i know that. But that's not what said in the video even.

[dire igloo]

which is also why image detection algorithms only give you a probability of something being one thing

[dire igloo]

it's still being hyped up to be more than it actually is

did you hear about the lawyer using ChatGPT to write his court texts?

it invented cases that didn't exist

[night girder]

smart 🤣

[edgy hazel]

bing wouldv're been better for that lmao

[dire igloo]

because what ChatGPT does isn't meant to be correct, it's meant to appear plausible

[dire igloo]

btw, when the lawyer was tasked to hand in the court documents from those cases, he doubled down and let ChatGPT write them

[edgy hazel]

yeahh we all watched that legaleagle video

[dire igloo]

anyways, imma go sleep now, good night

[edgy hazel]

I need to know more about air stuff

[sterile plinth]

LOL

Yes I agree it is stupid

But it's a step in the right direction

The joker!!?!

[charred pewter]

now now .... dont crap on the hype train

peanut says where is her new gpu

[edgy hazel]

tell peanut that I'm on my way to kill him

[charred pewter]

cats like the warmth that comes from a GPU 😄

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/skeletor-heman-gif-24149664

man I love tech so much

I just want my smartwatch to show me random little guys

[edgy hazel]

neither do I

it just has a very stark impact on our society. Hard skills not being developed through the very automated finding and writing of information is a big issue for me

it's great as assistant. Even my dentist is using it (although I don't think we're at a point where it's that big a help) but education is already suffering from it

[jagged snow]

That's been the biggest problem with the digital age as a whole, people no longer learning skills/trades in the same way

[edgy hazel]

what I absolutely hate is the fact that highschoolers started making deepfake porn of each other

it's basically the internet on crack

you think tiktok was bad for developing children??

[jagged snow]

Is that directed at me?

[edgy hazel]

it was more rethorical nature

[jagged snow]

Anyhow, yes. Social media has had an overall detrimental effect on children.

[edgy hazel]

sorry to my future children but if your age is on the clock you ain't ready for a smartphone

[jagged snow]

Agree 💯

[edgy hazel]

sorry lil timmy but you getting the nokiabrick 4200

[jagged snow]

Once they're to the age where they'll be away from home for longer periods of time by themselves(15-16) it's probably fine, but even then parental controls will be used

If the tech landscape is still the same at that point anyways

[edgy hazel]

nah a phone is fine

you just getting a brick instead of touchscreen

[jagged snow]

Ah that's fair

At that point it's probably fine for 13+

Imo it's very important to learn how to live normally without it

[edgy hazel]

and some limitations ain't that bad 😄 only helps them learn more

[narrow folio]

I just thought about an old blackberry as first smartphone, just to mess with my kid

[edgy hazel]

I personally learned a lot trying to get around parental controls

[stray badger]

Get em a DS and a nokia

Entertainment and communication solved

[edgy hazel]

and then keep that also in balance to not get your kid bullied out of school

[sharp oasis]

I didn't get a full functioning phone till I was 16

I had phones but not with actual numbers and shid

I think that's okau

[edgy hazel]

I had bricks until 15 when I got my first sony ericsson "smartphone"

[narrow folio]

had to wait till I got 18 so I was able to sign my own contract as my dad was strictly against it. nokia 6210 was cool back then

[stray badger]

Give em a GBA too then, most popular kid in school now

[pure karma]

yea 1000% i dont have it for a reasson

i also dont own a phone because i have simply nerver needed or really even wanted one

[edgy hazel]

I have 1 (one) social media and everything else will breach containment

if a me-me is funny enough I'll see it

[jagged snow]

Is discord your one social?

[edgy hazel]

I consider discord a communications platform

the same way I wouldn't call teams a social meadia platform

https://tenor.com/view/das-gas-dom3-trolling-zoom-what-shock-gif-16859878

talking teams I'm the most wanted person in the united states

[edgy hazel]

who tf at apple came up with those chargers

this mf slamming on the floor almost gave me another heart attack

"yes hihi how about we make our PSU weight 5000kg and also make it the small plug so you have no chance of mounting itunder yourn desk"

[sharp oasis]

My phone labeled discord as communication

[edgy hazel]

My phone labels a lot of stuff

it even labeled ur mom

[languid gulch]

"amazing design worth shelling out an extra 50% for"

[edgy hazel]

I mean it comes with your mac

[languid gulch]

that you overpaid for 🤣

[edgy hazel]

nah mine was free

[dusk rivet]

is it possible to revert a minecraft save without having a backup?

i accidentally opened a modded save without mods and lost about a hundred hours of work

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-yeah-no-yeah-no-disagree-gif-16846087569315350011

[dusk rivet]

shit

[edgy hazel]

but

[dusk rivet]

i'm listening

[edgy hazel]

cool

Have you loaded it with your normal mods?

[dusk rivet]

yeah

i do have a backup of where i didn't tho

[edgy hazel]

I mean does your recent save work with the mods which are used in that save

[dusk rivet]

when i loaded it with the normal mods all of the blocks had disappeared

including my storage system with just about every item stored in it

[edgy hazel]

What mod pack were you using for that world?

[dusk rivet]

not a modpack, ~44 handpicked mods and library mods

[edgy hazel]

Okay and the save won't load properly anymore with those ~44 mods?

[dusk rivet]

it loads just fine, it's just every modded block despawned

losing me about 100 hours of work and just about every item i'd ever collected

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/moment-of-silence-pay-respect-rip-rest-in-peace-bow-gif-15963301

[dusk rivet]

shite

WAIT WAIT WAIT

THE REFINED STORAGE FILES ARE STILL THERE

including the disks used to store several million items

[edgy hazel]

That's cool but you still need the actual data in your save file. You might be able do that in some way

But the placed blocks are all gone

BUT I appreciate you being a man of culture

RS > AE

[dusk rivet]

any way to convert an existing no-cheats save to a save with cheats enabled?

i'll just give myself some items to get me at least sorta close to where i was at before

[edgy hazel]

open to lan with cheats enabled

[dusk rivet]

lemme do that real quick

when i placed disk drives in the identical positions, it remembered the drive contents

so i have all my items, thank god

[edgy hazel]

yaaayyy

I'd have to end my life if I found out I had to rebuild my ME system

[dusk rivet]

still a lot of farms to fix, and i have to rebuild a lot of infrastructure, but having those items makes it about 183 million times easier

[edgy hazel]

awww creeper

[rotund hamlet]

scuse me while I murder my USB controller moving 253 4k60 videos to an external drive

[edgy hazel]

yo'll kill your drive before that controlleru

[rotund hamlet]

they're short

it's already done

[edgy hazel]

startrek makes my heart shrek

[edgy hazel]

that sucks

I have all

[rotund hamlet]

100.1 GiB

[edgy hazel]

starwars, startrek, stragate, gimme a star and I'll like it

and #i thought I was drunk

oh god the rain is coming

the rain is coming

https://tenor.com/view/kiss-gif-26347990

herg bed

nah I'll dream of 7o9

https://tenor.com/view/jeri-ryan-seven-nine-star-gif-24828844

[winged valley]

Hey if any of you need drives for your NAS or what have you

https://www.newegg.com/seagate-exos-x20-st20000nm007d-20tb/p/N82E16822185011?Item=N82E16822185011

Newegg black friday sale goes hard and seagate exos is very nice

[edgy hazel]

am I buying 20x 20TB???????????????????????????????

[winged valley]

no lol

[edgy hazel]

I need to sleep

[winged valley]

I think X20 is just the product name

[pure karma]

dang must be optimised i record 1920x1080 at 700Gb per hour (whiteout compression) at a 2GBPS bitrate its practically unwatchable if im going for clean but still reasonable im at about 25 an hour and if im on a potatoe pc i just go minimum of like 1 gb an hour

i dont really care about space now that i have space again but i know im gona hate myself later

[rotund hamlet]

mine are like 1-5 minutes each, 62Mbps

[pure karma]

dang thats prettygood

[rotund hamlet]

could probably get that to 54Mbps with AV1, but that would take several days

[pure karma]

unlike whatever this mess is

[rotund hamlet]

why are you recording 144 fps

[pure karma]

idk i wasent lol

[rotund hamlet]

there's your problem

you clearly are

[pure karma]

im recording at no fps at all in reality because it is corupted to shit

but ay atleast it has like 12 minutes of semi functional sound

[rotund hamlet]

by corrupted what do you mean

[pure karma]

500gb of sound is great to have

[pure karma]

encoded on too slow of a drive no hardrive is hitting like 2gbps of writing speed lol so its just straight dead

could have it work on a M.2 but not worth the cost lol

[rotund hamlet]

oh
you can just strip out the audio then, and delete the original

and fix your recording settings lmao

[pure karma]

i have decent ish settings i was mostly just trying to see how at how much quality i could record before obs just straight up craped itself

and then it nerver did so it got quite out of hand

[winged valley]

I recently saw a vid where a guy upgraded his 3070's VRAM from 8GB to 16GB, but it left out whether or not he modified the VBIOS

I wonder if I would be able to do the same with a laptop 3050TI, upgrading it to 8GB

If being used with DLSS, I'd expect that even on a 3050TI the increased VRAM would give a noticible increase in performance

I'm already planning on upgrading my laptop's RAM from 16GB to 32GB (and keep in mind, everything I'm talking about is soldered)

I know that part is possible and pretty easily doable, i'm just unsure about the VRAM

[jagged snow]

I know you work in electronics repair, so as long as you have the skill and the tools it shouldn't be incredibly complex

[gilded helm]

The underlying GA 104 chip has configurations which use 16GB of VRAM. So the VBIOS might just recognize the extra VRAM automatically on a 3070? I'm sure there's a modding community out there which knows. Specifically for a laptop 3050 Ti, I would look for a Discord community for your laptop, there's at least 3 mostly Lenovo servers for instance.