off-topic-tech

[wanton orchid]

that mostly true for still block of material
but we are talking about semi-conductive parts with hundreds of A going through them
temperature have direct impact here
not just structural one

[upper plinth]

If BIOS has that utility you can do it there, if not there are apps that can do it, don't remember any from the top of my head tho.

[jagged snow]

High but normal temps don't have a significant effect on lifespan, not like heavy cycling can

[wanton orchid]

heavy cycling between 30 and 60c for a correctly packaged recent cpu is not going to do much either

what cpus fear is high temperature + high load

when it get unstable at the fet level it can really hurt things

[dusk rivet]

i was mostly curious if i could get a better benchmark with max cpu speed

[wanton orchid]

remember core temperatures are average for billion transistors

individually| locally silicon is bursting much higher

at nm level

[sharp oasis]

It shouldn't be

I mean I can't talk I'm dumb too

But at least I can somewhat fix my stuff

[cyan crescent]

Hopefully i get my htv wireless adapter on monday.

[wanton orchid]

wish you good luck with it

you checked harrd everything

[gilded helm]

Heh heh, I'm trying to convince a venue where I DJ some evenings that they should switch out their mixers for ones that have no gain knobs on lines where the Zumba instructors would plug in.

www.guitarcenter.com/Used/Mackie/1202VLZ-Unpowered-Mixer-119211363.gc

[jagged snow]

Understandable

[gilded helm]

Over $300 new

[wanton orchid]

did zunba instructor do bad thing with it ?

[narrow folio]

The VLZ4 mixers are nice 👍

[gilded helm]

Zumba instructors often want music at unsafe levels, and sometimes use so much bass they cause things to rattle off shelves and tables. The bar I'm currently DJing actually has that problem with the bass, though luckily anyone who uses the booth here will know better. Otherwise I could literally rattle bottles off the bar shelves if I turned on Partition by Beyonce and put the bass at neutral. Let alone turning it up

[narrow folio]

locked AMP cabinet with limiters

[gilded helm]

Yep, the amp is already locked at the dance studio

So that would leave the people plugged into the stereo lines with only the main volume, channel volume, device volume, and no gains. 1-4 could just be jammed up with mics and other things.

[narrow folio]

I would not be surprised if they will still find a way to clip the output 🤣

[gilded helm]

You could by using software like VirtualDJ or Serato, but their level of technical sophistication is probably too low for that. These days pretty much all dance teachers and fitness instructors just stream music.

Which is honestly fine until the day there's some random rights issue and your showcase song is unavailable 😛

[narrow folio]

'but the red light used to be on all the time and it's not loud enough if it's not like lighting up at least 80% of all times'

streaming music for 'professional' use is waiting for non availability to happen

[gilded helm]

Spotify makes itself a pain to use in airplane mode, too, even if you've downloaded songs.

[dusk rivet]

what would be good rgb fans with both 120 and 140mm variants

the h6 flow requires both 140 and 120mm fans

[narrow folio]

Noctua has really great RedGrayBrown fans

should they have daisy chaining? Lianli, Thermaltake, phantek, corsair have those

Lian Li just filed a patent lawsuit against Thermaltake and Phantek about their daisy chain fans... 😆

[languid gulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jtb1uCz72RQ

[dusk rivet]

i'd prefer not to spend 400usd on fans

noctua makes that way too easy to do

i'd prefer if it was in the 10usd/fan range

i am struggling so hard to find matching 120/140mm fans that aren't absurdly expensive

[narrow folio]

10 bucks will give you a reasonable quality fan without RGB.

[dusk rivet]

i found these?
https://www.amazon.com/APNX-Performance-Steel-Liquid-Cooler/dp/B0CHS9MFYV?th=1

120mm and 140mm variants that are matching

i could do closer to 15usd a fan on the 120mm fans

i need 7 120mm fans, 2 140mm fans

[narrow folio]

FP1 are 30mm thick, beware of eventually blocking things

[jagged snow]

I've been extremely happy with my $5/fan argb things I grabbed off amazon

[dusk rivet]

link?

[jagged snow]

I'll have to find it

I've had them for almost two years now

[dusk rivet]

i found arctic p12's for 42usd for 3

only 136usd in fans

[jagged snow]

I paid 24 for 5

[dusk rivet]

imma need you to find em

[narrow folio]

FP1 are rather loud as far as a quick review search showed

[dusk rivet]

well shit

no fp1's then

[narrow folio]

Arctic P12 RGB maybe?

[dusk rivet]

that's what i found

price is a bit more than i'd like to pay, but not horrible

and i know they'll work well and they do look good

i'll prolly stick with the p12 and p14 argb fans

[narrow folio]

Oh, missed your message about the P12/14. For the price those should be okay

[dusk rivet]

yeah they look good

[jagged snow]

@dusk rivet I'm pretty sure these are them https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07VTLV8YJ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title

[dusk rivet]

no 140mm fans tho

[jagged snow]

Yes

That is true

[sharp oasis]

apparently forza horizon 5 dislikes hdds

FUCK

Why didnt i buy a 2tb nvme

I knew i needed more high speed storage

[dusk rivet]

give in to the temptation, buy an 8tb m.2

[jagged snow]

2tb is plenty

[pure karma]

dosent worked on my 1T perfectly

just takes 5 minutes for the initial load in but once your in no issues

[dusk rivet]

but 8tb wouldn’t hurt

[pure karma]

do 8T nvme's even exist i have only seen up to 4tb

if so i may need some soon

[dusk rivet]

sabrent 8tb

[pure karma]

cuz im going trough game storage at about a 1tb a month pace

[sharp oasis]

hmm how much

[dusk rivet]

only about 1000usd per m.2

[jagged snow]

If you're archiving for your youtube channel you should just get a das

[sharp oasis]

oh

[dusk rivet]

you can get a solid 4tb m.2 for 200usd tho

[sharp oasis]

i have to start uninstalling shit to move games around lol

[pure karma]

3tb on that so far

but thats on a difrent drive

700gb free on my game one tho

i also have a 2tb os drive so worst case i can use that

[jagged snow]

Then how on earth are you going through a tb a month in storage if you're not archiving large media?

[pure karma]

games

[sharp oasis]

Why do you have all your games installed

[pure karma]

like 60-80gb a game goes fast

[jagged snow]

Why do you need that many games installed?

[pure karma]

fh5 is freakign 156.8GB

[dusk rivet]

how many games do you have, jesus

[pure karma]

too many

it dosent even fit on the list anymore

[jagged snow]

And why do you need all of those installed?

[sharp oasis]

Uninstall some of em

Ones you haven't played in the last few months uninstall them

[pure karma]

well i have played 90% of my steam library in the last 3 months tho thats the thing

[sharp oasis]

Then uninstall the 10%

[sharp oasis]

That's still a long time

What games do you play often

Aka at least once a week

Keep those

And discern if you want to uninstall others based on how much you play

[jagged snow]

How?

[sharp oasis]

I need more storage based on I have too many games installed

But some I want to play soon

I may uni stall cyberpunk ngl

And JC3

[pure karma]

i switch fairly often so some i dont play for sprints but i play here and there enough that its a pain to uninstall them so there nice to have downloaded

[sharp oasis]

Finished both games to 100% I don't see myself playing much of em anymore

@dusk rivet i may think of buying that 8tb nvme lol

[sharp oasis]

It does hate hdds

I have streaming issues

Terrain not loading in time

Hence why I'm freeing up space to move it to my nvme

[pure karma]

i recorded on fh5 game on hdd and recording at 300,000kbps to that same hdd and it was fine

[sharp oasis]

I also have very little available storage on the hdd

All I know is the game had to lower settings bc of my hdd being too slow to steam bandwidth

[pure karma]

how slow was that HDD dang

i can play it cranked whit no issues on a like 550MBps HDD

[dusk rivet]

update me if you actually buy it

[sharp oasis]

I can't

[dusk rivet]

i don’t think i’ve heard of anyone unironically buying one

[sharp oasis]

I have to run it down a bit

As my hdd is like 180-200mb/s peak

[pure karma]

seems like a AMD issu..... (for legal reassons this must be changed to a skill issue)

[sharp oasis]

It's not an amd isshe

It's a drive bandwidth issue

Can't blame a bandwidth issue on a cpu and gepu brand lmao

[pure karma]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-pc-discord-pc-bad-gif-20986529

ok thats a bit harsh but bad hdd lol

[sharp oasis]

There now I have lots of free nvme space again

[sharp oasis]

Ehh an average hdd for speed. Just low on capacity and probably a bit fragmented

[winged valley]

This is a proposal I drew in ms paint and sent to my boss, what do you guys think? (He liked it) ((We're a breakfix IT shop))

[sharp oasis]

I'm getting about 150MB/s

Actually that's on the higher side of average HDDS

[pure karma]

192 on my slow 8Tb HDD lol

[winged valley]

For a consumer HDD that's good

[pure karma]

550 on my 1Tb HDD

[sharp oasis]

Mbps or MB/S

[pure karma]

MB

[winged valley]

Ironwolf goes up to 240MB/S sequential but that's prosumer

[jagged snow]

That's not possible unless you're on cache

[sharp oasis]

As I'm getting about 1200mbps

[winged valley]

550MB/s isn't possible on an HDD unless you have a 13k RPM SAS drive or its all just cached data

Even with the SAS drive its not getting that fast

SATA SSD barely gets that fast

[pure karma]

dafuk did it just turn on the nitrous it went 192 to whatever this even is of read

[sharp oasis]

Thats like low low end nvme territory

That's gotta be cache

Or a misread

[winged valley]

Faulty detection or cache

Cache is DRAM yes but even it shouldn't be that fast

[pure karma]

13.5GBPS of read is defedently cache i think

[sharp oasis]

Def misread

As not even my Nvme scores over 3GB/S

It has no dram cache

[winged valley]

Cache on an HDD ranges from 800M to 3G depending on quality of the drive

13G is absurd

[jagged snow]

That's bandwidth similar to high-end ddr3

[winged valley]

Although speaking of high perf drives

I really really want a 3dxpoint drive

But 1tb is like $1000

[sharp oasis]

I won't actually buy the 8tb nvme lol

[winged valley]

:pepehands:

[sharp oasis]

My mobo will bottleneck it lol

[pure karma]

defedently had a stroke reading but not writing

[jagged snow]

Gen 3 nvme speeds are still plenty fast

[sharp oasis]

Oh ofc

[winged valley]

Gen3 nvme runs at PCIE 3x4

That's 4 gigabit

Or roughly 500MB/s

wait no I'm sorry

[sharp oasis]

Yeah loll

[winged valley]

Its 4GB/s

[jagged snow]

That sounds better lol

[winged valley]

I'm so used to the unit being bits

[sharp oasis]

I could try forcing my chipset to run gen4 bandwith

There was an option in bios to change the bandwidth

Probably not worth it

[jagged snow]

What chipset do you have?

[sharp oasis]

B450M

Got another b450

[pure karma]

game nvme is still running ok speeds

[sharp oasis]

Uhh?

[pure karma]

yea idk

[sharp oasis]

285GB/S?

[pure karma]

storage is on freaking nitrous or something

[sharp oasis]

The actual fuck

Nah that's a misread

That's like Vram level speed

[pure karma]

you dont say

https://tenor.com/view/forza-horizon5-dodge-viper-drive-fast-driving-gif-6312718399616541451

[sharp oasis]

@jagged snow

Any way to explain 285GB/s

[jagged snow]

Magic broke something again 🤷‍♂️

Are your cdm settings all at default?

[pure karma]

yea

[dusk rivet]

what?!?!? that never happens!!

[pure karma]

has to be cs-go running on the drive probably

gotta have that 285GBPS read for extraquick fireing

[maiden coyote]

Raid arrays can be that fast, or faster. Not from a single drive though

[pure karma]

same thing for os drive...

[maiden coyote]

Internal whitelist, or separate everything on its on vlan, like one for guests, camera's, management (nginx/pihole etc) is good. You'll still want total separation from guest vlans to any other internal network. Worst thing that can happen. Is someone clicks on an email attachment on the internal network It's pretty much game over after that.

[winged valley]

Thankfully we don't have anyone here who would do something like that, but I'll look into ways to refine the idea later

The idea I came up with is so simple because we're short on cash rn, its just a temporary "much better than what we have right now" thing

[twin dew]

In some cases.
At least some AMD CPU models limit frequency in higher temperatures.
Some don't. For example AFAIK 7600X does, 7800X3D seems to, 7900X doesn't.
With 7800X3D doing so at 60C, 70C and 80C based on anecdotal evidence on my own system.
IIRC same with Intel, that it can affect turbo.
Not sure on GPUs.

And then the normal throttling at 89C for the 7800X3D.

[twin dew]

🤦

Same idiot with Athlon II CPU.

[rotund hamlet]

ah yes, because pirating it will solve the issue

[gilded helm]

If they've been playing this game for 6 months they've already got their money's worth as far as I'm concerned.

[edgy hazel]

[rotund hamlet]

dare i ask what you did

[visual tree]

Microsoft will ban you even for normal prompts https://www.reddit.com/r/bing/s/gegePSF8vP

[edgy hazel]

Post coitus picture of Donald duck and a grilled chicken

[languid gulch]

uhhhhhhh

5700X3D, 5600X3D

96MB L3 cache

[twin dew]

Just rumors or real, we will see.

[languid gulch]

that 5700X3D sounds kinda sexy for cheaper boards that don't have amazing VRMs

[twin dew]

Nice uplifts from 3600 to 5800X3D...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SegyDnX5dOo

This one is just insane 😆

[languid gulch]

it's hilarious how long intel pushed the "ya don't need hyperthreading" BS for

ngl i'm tempted to extra spoil myself & grab a 5800X3D before they're all gone

[minor pawn]

What is the easiest way to unclip the blue line cause i forgot how i did it last time

[twin dew]

Depends on the case.
What is the easy way for some will cause permanent damage in others.
And same in other direction.

[visual tree]

https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/17/23965982/openai-ceo-sam-altman-fired

I won'der what's happening behind closed doors....

[charred pewter]

mmmmmm how about 'fuck no'?

[twin dew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF2C7xE9Mj4

[jagged snow]

I find it absolutely insane that a near top of the line system from last gen is the reccomended spec required to hit 30fps on new games
Cities Skylines 2 reccomended specs:

recommended hardware (Intel i5-12600K or AMD Ryzen 7 5800X, 16 GB RAM, RTX 3080 or RX 6800XT, with 16 GB memory)
Still doesn't hit 30 fps

[twin dew]

That one just has absolutely no optimization or LODs

Was pushed at least 3 months early out.

[jagged snow]

Doesn't make it less bad

Especially considering that you're mostly cpu bound at that 30fps mark

[charred pewter]

yeah its kinda crazy

theres a nice pocket of games like 5yo that run insanely well (high fps), and actually do look generally awesome for the gameplay

[jagged snow]

I don't feel any inclination to buy new games

[charred pewter]

its sad that these days, its about jambing in all these heavy hitting techs (which visually do you even NOTICE if you are playing the game itself?) ... dragging them down and requiring such insane hardware to get 'mediocre' results

[jagged snow]

The most recent release I've purchased is satis

[charred pewter]

ive tried RayTracing in every game that has it ... i end up turning it off and never noticing a difference but being able to enjoy the game more since its not running like shit

sure, hot-enable those things when you go into PhotoMode ... but does it really need to exist for good gameplay?

[charred pewter]

i totally get this

i bought RDR2, and Cyberpunk "recently"... but apparently they arnt even new games

[jagged snow]

I do use lumen in satis but that's the exception

[charred pewter]

when its a feature that has a HUGE impact visually, yeah

its like turning SSAO on/off .... that edge shadowing makes a huge difference overall

personally the whole 'reflection' thing ... some older games did reflections just fine enough to get the ambience. didnt need to be pixel perfect reflections

i was actually trying to figure out the difference in Hogwarts Legacy ... turning RT on/off and looking at reflections in the floor. I just couldnt see it. RT added nothing important

🤷 maybe im not looking hard enough at each pixel

and doing screenshots and comparing back n forth

all things you never do when PLAYING THE DAMNED GAME 😄

i AM curious about some of the new tech that brings more performance by just letting the cards 'generate' filler ...

[jagged snow]

A good ssr impl looks as good as rt and is way more performant

[charred pewter]

because to me, anything that increases framerate, is ... a good thing

[jagged snow]

I really don't like the industry direction as a whole tbh

[charred pewter]

so long as i dont have to sacrifice some basic fundamentals... like blobby shadows, ssoa, godrays (yeah, i dunno why, but those add a lot when out doors to me)

i actually prefer blobby shadows instead of hard sharp exact line tracing shadows

was messing with those in DEATHSTRANDING .... adjusting the shadowing levels, and the 'low' looked much nicer overall than the 'ultra'

i really didnt need to see the edges of my gear a half mile out in my shadow

just smear a dark spot out from a lightsource ... lol done deal 😄

the 'replacement' Sabrent is arriving tomorrow .... they were "Super happy to have helped fixing the problem for me!" ... and i was like "well dont get all excited yet, I've not received it"

wondering if they just sent me off an old batch item to shut me up .... or they really did find a bad batch and are sending me a new one .... they were not expansive on their details other than being extremely excited about having helped

[maiden coyote]

Does lumen even use rt cores?

[twin dew]

Not the one in Satisfactory.
Lumen has "Software" (SM5 distance field shaders) and HW (RT HW cores) implementations.
That need to be individually tuned.

Satis only has the software one in right now.

[charred pewter]

ah, that may be why it hits hard ?

since satis is pretty cpu heavy already

[jagged snow]

Yeah, thankfully it'd on a seperate thread from the factory sim so as long as you're already limited by the factory sim the impact is minimal

Only my larger world the difference is only 5-10fps

[charred pewter]

ah cool

[twin dew]

Shader Model 5, so mostly on GPU.

Just using standard shaders since ages ago, and not anything special.

Of course setting those shaders up takes some CPU work.

[edgy hazel]

I dropped my company phone a week ago and it landed screen first on a piece of metal. I have not picked it up yet

Schrödingers "Hey Herg I'd like a 1on1 talk if you're free on Monday"

[jagged snow]

If you can go a week without it do you really need the company phone?

[edgy hazel]

Vacation and school

[jagged snow]

I see

[edgy hazel]

I'm also IT. Would be a bit useless for me not to have one

[dire igloo]

I don't have one either - tho we don't really hand out phones for work because ITZBund took away our MDM and are running it now

[edgy hazel]

noooo

[dire igloo]

so I either get a second SIM card directly from the IT department (dual SIM phone) or I have to hand in paperwork to get a phone within a few weeks or so

[edgy hazel]

not the MDM ;-;

[dire igloo]

honestly, we had a good system much better than theirs and they knew it

welcome to German administrative politics

[edgy hazel]

how would you manage devices mobile without it

[dire igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[visual tree]

They asked me at work if I want a company phone or just a sim card. I simply chose the sim card since I have dual-sim phone and it's much more convenient that carrying 2 phones

Battery is at 50-60% when I get back home. Not bad if you ask me

I also get 200 GB of mobile data per month even though I only waste few GB per month 😅

[dire igloo]

that's dope

[edgy hazel]

company doesn't allow android or byod at all

even our freelancers get devices sent

[visual tree]

The only problem is I can't setup VPN and If I want to read business emails, I need to download some microsoft app that creates a business profile on your phone

[edgy hazel]

company portal

https://tenor.com/view/chris-pratt-andy-dwyer-omg-shocked-face-meme-gif-25585329

[visual tree]

Yeah, something like that lol

Need to figure out if I can at least setup Cisco Anyconnect VPN so I can access intranet

[wanton orchid]

yet again the "business own system" that is just microsoft owned shit

[visual tree]

Atm, I only use a company sim for phone calls/messages and mobile data

Don't want to install some company app that will allow them more control over my private phone....

[edgy hazel]

it just creates an isolated area for your work data

they're pretty clear about what they can access too

I also need to add that they check if your device is rooted or jailbroken

[wanton orchid]

and how so ?

[edgy hazel]

it... it's an app.

[wanton orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-gif-13250124

[edgy hazel]

Apps can do stuff

[wanton orchid]

an app ?

[edgy hazel]

yes company portal is an app

[wanton orchid]

that's not blackmagic if you dont get my question maybe you dont get what root means

[edgy hazel]

brother my banking app doesn't work for years on rooted phones

[wanton orchid]

if you have root on your device no app can get more seeing power than you do, nothing the app can do to "inspect root" because.. its root

[edgy hazel]

samsung health doesn't work on rooted devices

a LOT of banking apps don't run when the device is rooted

and it's not new

[wanton orchid]

then your device is not only rooted but it's also borked

[wanton orchid]

"hide root from the app"
that's retarded, root access is not supposed to mean giving root to apps

ANY device have root, it's just that you dont have access to it

[edgy hazel]

yes, and these apps can check if you do have access to it

[wanton orchid]

oh you mean the apps have more power than you do as root interesting

so any app can inspect the whole device

[edgy hazel]

this is actually a quite common issue with rooting phones. Banking apps being the worst of em.

[wanton orchid]

that's new

[edgy hazel]

they can even check if you use a different OS ! !

[wanton orchid]

you just continously get more ridiculous

[edgy hazel]

yup have a patched samsung health and gear app because I use arrow OS

and not rooted 🙂

[wanton orchid]

dont you want to phone your neighboor to tell them how you absolutly can not talk to them just so you complete the absurdity quest fully ?

[twin dew]

Whops, read wrong...

So sorry, too tired. Finally accepted the cause.

Misread it as something completely different.

[jagged snow]

Still a weird response

[twin dew]

Still salty, but accepted the thing.
Failing to follow the instructions to download U7.

[jagged snow]

Yep

[edgy hazel]

Btw talking phones: throw out the box dude

[twin dew]

Need to think about writing the idiot instructions for him tomorrow.

[edgy hazel]

NOOOO Baldur

[twin dew]

Think about. Not sure if going to do it.

[edgy hazel]

Don't waste your time on random people

[twin dew]

Been wasting most of my day since U8 hit EA.

[edgy hazel]

Especially ones that seem so snarky

[twin dew]

Fortunately finally slowed down.

Anyways, off to bed.

[edgy hazel]

Nighty

[jagged snow]

👋 night

[wanton orchid]

good night

[edgy hazel]

I just noticed that

[edgy hazel]

I'm such an annoying human tbh

[mellow turtle]

I am not sure where to put this and I can't find it anywhere else.. I am having an issue where the game wont open and I get this notification

I have a RTX 3090 Ti and a 13th Gen Intel i9-13900KF, 3000 Mhz, 24 Core, 32 logic it no itergrated graphics.

I have tried updating all my drivers with clean installs and nothing. I am at a lose.. please help :homefr2Heart: :homefr2Heart: :homefr2Heart: :homefr2Heart:

[wanton orchid]

how much RAM have you available when the game starts ?

is the game starting on you rtx 3090 ti ?

[mellow turtle]

How would I verify this?

[jagged snow]

By going to the proper channel

[mellow turtle]

I seen the post that Snutt replied to and am now trying to force it open with -dx11

[wanton orchid]

?

[jagged snow]

Shouldn't matter for your card

[mellow turtle]

bing rude never solved anything.. if I am not in the proper channel then clearly I don't know whitch one that is. Despite my desire to do the right thing, I am unable to do so as you neglected to provide any helpful feedback. For instance, by providing me with which channel you deem to be the proper channel.

[jagged snow]

Any channel that doesn't clearly state that it's not for satisfactory related talk, #1038092680493801533 for example :p

[mellow turtle]

I didn't deam this to be a sastisfactory related insident as it is not the only game I have experienced this with. When I first downloaded Palia it did the same thing but now now longer does. I am unsure of the issue and was just hoping to get some help from someone smarter than me.

[jagged snow]

Ah, in that case you should've said that

I don't mind it, but I do try to help people follow the rules

[mellow turtle]

Following the rules was my intention. It is what made me decide to use this channel. I tried to force the game to open with the "-dx11" and it just crashed. without it I can get the game to open to the menu, but when I click continue and it starts to load is where I get that notice.

[raven scroll]

Do games run differently on each drive? (D, C, and SSD are the ones I have)

[dire igloo]

Depends on whether D and C are SSDs or HDDs and what model they are exactly

[jagged snow]

That depends on the actual drive that is behind each letter

[raven scroll]

Idk

[dire igloo]

as long as they are at least decent SSDs and have enough free space for autosaves etc, it doesn't matter

[raven scroll]

I'll just experiment on which one runs better

or loads stuff faster

[jagged snow]

You can just look at the drive models in software lol

[dire igloo]

Dang bot deleted my message

[dire igloo]

anyway, someone already did that for you

Here's the graph for windows boot time

you'll see a big mix of SATA and NVMe SSDs

[raven scroll]

too late, I'm already halfway through moving the game

and I dont wanna restart the entire thing if I get low fps on my other drives

[jagged snow]

It won't noticeably affect fps

[raven scroll]

does it affect loading?

because the shaders were taking forever on my d drive (I'm playing Hogwarts Legacy)

[jagged snow]

Yes

[raven scroll]

its loading like 10x faster now (before it was like 2% every 10 seconds)

and I'm getting a smooth 60 fps (Possibly because of the fps lock)

[dire igloo]

SSD vs SSD no.
SSD vs HDD DEFINITELY YES

FPS? unaffected

you could theoretically see stutters when moving across regions - but that's loading, not fps

[sharp oasis]

sata SSD/ NVME mabey

I have noticed Shit loads much faster on my NVME

[languid gulch]

ok so a bit of speculation on the Starship launch:
it looks fairly obvious that there was an oxygen leak near the end of the upper stage's burn, & they also announced that they initiated the flight termination sequence. i know that one of nasa's requirements is that flight hardware undergoes an FTS before they certify it to fly any nasa cargo. so is it possible that spacex knew it wasn't going to make it to orbit, & blew it up "early" to get the certification & also make sure that they could recover at least some of the wreckage before it got too far downrange?

[dusk rivet]

slow unzipping is getting on my nerves

1.4KB/s

[dire igloo]

no difference, check benchmarks I sent

dang KVM messing with my keyboard

[wanton orchid]

wtfh

how are you trying to unzip and with what potato

[jagged snow]

Default windows is crazy slow at extracting

7z ftw

[wanton orchid]

I always use 7z

yep

btw 7z extracting on latest ryzen cpus are insanely faster than on old intel cpu

it always blow my mind when my windows vm extract it 7 times faster than my bare pc

[jagged snow]

Oh that's really interesting

[edgy hazel]

That's why it's called 7zip

[dusk rivet]

the windows unzip feature, i have a pc with an i7-12700f, rtx 3060, 32gb ddr4 3200mhz. and it's going from an hdd to an ssd

[wanton orchid]

correction

it is going from your hdd, to your system temprorary files, then to your ssd

because

Windows

https://tenor.com/view/rainbow-spongebob-imagination-gif-7915378

and if your hdd is your system storage your are doomed

[dusk rivet]

how would i check?

the ssd is my boot drive if that is the determiner

[maiden coyote]

Oh Logitech..

$120 for a g502... they don't make the 602 anymore.. I overpaid for some amazon onrom switches just to have them this weekend.

the logitech M510 I have also developed a doubleclicking issue also had china omron switches.

[dusk rivet]

why is it so hard to find a reasonably priced, silent wireless mouse

[tough owl]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-neo-gif-23018361

[jagged snow]

That was fast

[tough owl]

I didn't realize I had left 🤣

I need help spending money and yall can do that really well

[dusk rivet]

this chat is great at telling me how to spend money i don’t have

[tough owl]

Looking to buy a pair of bt anc headphones with a max price of $200, I could buy xm4s for 250 but they have to be a clear winner

[dusk rivet]

https://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HD-450SE-Bluetooth-Headphone/dp/B09325WTV5/ref=asc_df_B09325WTV5/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=533377612228&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=10058256536902038102&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9009991&hvtargid=pla-1394446269984&psc=1&mcid=e9d46933533d35d690a3beb2209b75c3&gclid=CjwKCAiAgeeqBhBAEiwAoDDhn3HjpPBaRwpj1uJd9LjEK39giY9y12fEXSQzSPo9lOZx6MYNInspyhoCn8AQAvD_BwE
these are on sale rn

holy mother of links

amazon get shorter links, jesus

[tough owl]

wanna see something cool

https://github.com/ClearURLs/Addon

[tough owl]

but why these specifically

[dusk rivet]

let’s see if it works on mobile

[dusk rivet]

sennheiser good brand, and 60% off ain’t bad

[tough owl]

im kinda shocked

[dusk rivet]

super good deal tbh

i’m tempted to buy them myself lol

[maiden coyote]

yay, the g602 still works and doesn't double click anymore.. logitech really should use better switches.

[tough owl]

wonder what the difference is

[maiden coyote]

price?

[dusk rivet]

they’re asking why the difference in prrice

[tough owl]

according to reddit xm4 have superior anc

[dusk rivet]

130usd superior tho

[maiden coyote]

If I had to guess, I'd say maybe the anc is better.. but they claim to both have it so..

[tough owl]

well it can have it

but it can be awful anc

[maiden coyote]

it could be. That's not something I'd know anything about.

if the old saying of you get what you pay for is still true then they should be superior in at least one way xd

[gilded helm]

I've been happy with my Maxwells. No ANC but they're thick enough I don't have trouble previewing music.

[tough owl]

I also think it would be funny to get open backs to wear around my college campus

[gilded helm]

They are gigantic, they definitely stand out when I wear them on a plane.

[tough owl]

whats the model number?

[gilded helm]

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/audeze-maxwell

You would need to look for a sale

[tough owl]

?

[gilded helm]

Yep

[maiden coyote]

does the mic unplug?

[gilded helm]

Yes

[maiden coyote]

that's nice

[tough owl]

at that point id buy xm5s

[maiden coyote]

Mine were not near that expensive.. they're good enough for me

[gilded helm]

I bought a case for them, and the hollow place within the band I fill with charging widgets and my mouse

[maiden coyote]

That's a little over your budget, but I think that's what you like about us @tough owl

[tough owl]

$150 over 💀

[maiden coyote]

We try our best. To be fair, I've never heard of audeze, but I'd expect them to be better than a name brand like Sony.

They say they have planar drivers. Which are supposed to be top tier

[winged valley]

i know a dude who has the xm4s theyre alright

[inner plover]

I currently have a 2060, should I upgrade to a 3080? It's being sold to me by a friend for dirt

[arctic drift]

how much is a 1650 in america

[jagged snow]

That really depends on if you play games that need the upgrade

[inner plover]

Satisfactory

Lol

Also future proofing, my 2060 is quite old. One of the first runs

[jagged snow]

About 100usd

[jagged snow]

What res?

Don't upgrade unless you're actually unhappy with current performance or have no better use for the money imo

[inner plover]

Hd currently but I'll be upgrading to 4k soon

[jagged snow]

4k would definitely benefit from the 3080

[arctic drift]

philippines costs like
20-30 bucks more lmao

[inner plover]

Shipping

[arctic drift]

not shipping

[inner plover]

Dayum

[jagged snow]

Us is way bigger market

[arctic drift]

i found one thats like P6500 (110 buckaroos)

[jagged snow]

With much higher gdp per capita and many cultural spending problems

[inner plover]

Well a fresh 3080 is about 450-500 aud, I could probably get this one for around 250-300, it hasn't been mined or anything just gamed on for a year or two

[arctic drift]

imma just accept my fate and play at the lowest settings possible

[jagged snow]

If you feel like it's a good use for your money that's a good deal

[inner plover]

Another topic, should I upgrade to 32gb ram?

[tough owl]

Doesnt hurt

[winged valley]

What do you do with your pc? (how many tabs do you usually have open, do you edit videos? what games do you play?)

For most people 16gb is still good, although I personally sit between 45-65% memory usage on average with 32gb

Sometimes I hit 80% but that's rare

[arctic drift]

i hit 100% daily

im a man of perfection

[inner plover]

I do a fair bit of modelling, can run a couple of games at once but normally not. Satisfactory is the only Ram intensive game I regularly play, but future proofing. Also, the ram is also second hand so cheap. (The Pc owner is also desperate to sell)

Different people selling the card and the Ram

[winged valley]

Don't buy secondhand ram please

99% of people selling their ram don't test it

[inner plover]

Barely used lol

[jagged snow]

It's fine...

[winged valley]

Look you can get 16gb of ddr4 for 40 or less

Micro center had a corsair vengeance kit for 20 at one point but I think that deal expired

[winged valley]

Yeah I have no idea what you do for a living or what your knowledge level is but while secondhand ram is fine most of the time a single bad stick can cause really bad problems

Which might not always present themselves immediately

And the average user will most likely not diagnose the ram as the issue

[jagged snow]

A single bad stick can cause problems, but so can a bad gpu, mobo, cpu, or drive

Doesn't mean you shouldn't buy used

[inner plover]

💀

[winged valley]

RAM is statistically more likely to go bad than those components

[jagged snow]

Not at all true

[winged valley]

With the exception of an HDD

[jagged snow]

Hdds are extremely reliable

[winged valley]

I very rarely see bad mobos these days

[winged valley]

Old ones aren't and especially seagates

[jagged snow]

It's more common than almost any other failure

[inner plover]

😔

[jagged snow]

Old drives are fine if they've been handled properly

[winged valley]

Perhaps I'm biased because I work in repair (definitely skewed perspective of stats because of it) but I see a lot of drives from 2015 or older come in with reallocated or even pending sectors

Which just so happen to be corrupt or unstable

[jagged snow]

Mostly laptop drives?

[winged valley]

Dont get me started on external HDD's

[winged valley]

Mix of 2.5" and 3.5"

[maiden coyote]

second hand ram is very likely fine. of all the things to buy used, I'd trust that the most. I'd probably trust a second hand hdd more than a SSD tbh.

for all you know they used that SSD to mine chia

[gilded helm]

That's true, a second hand SSD has some high sketchiness potential if you can't power it on yourself to check its SMART reading

[narrow folio]

would a 4060 handle satisfactory in 1440p at high details?

Lumen on

[dire igloo]

[edgy hazel]

would you still love me if I was a worm?

[narrow folio]

well, guess I have to up the budget a bit

[dire igloo]

I don't even love you as a human, why would I suddenly start to love you if you were a worm?

Another great answer to that question:
"I'd love you even more cuz then you couldn't ask stupid questions like this"

[edgy hazel]

Love thy neighbor and shit

[dire igloo]

Love thy neighbor as you love yourself

I don't like myself, so that's that

[dire igloo]

Either that or re-evaluate budget allocation

I've seen people consider spending $1900 on a 4060 and a 13600K

Because for some reason they thought they'd need 1.2kW Platinum PSU and a 2TB 990 Pro with a Z790 board

[narrow folio]

PC is for my mum... her i3 6100 is a bit dated

[dire igloo]

copypasta
the more info you give the better

• country and total budget, peripherals included, in local currency
• what games will you be playing at what resolution?
• if you're using the PC for work, what software?
• functional requirements (encoder for streaming, Wifi, amount of storage, size)
• aesthetic preferences (AIO, color scheme, RGB/blackout)

[narrow folio]

plan was a AM5 platform, B620/B650, 7800X3D (to last a few years) 32GB, 2TB nvme, 4060 as better is considerably more expensive and could be upgraded later if needed

a black non rgb case is enough

no special software, games like Diablo 3/4 and satisfactory

I'll have a better look at the options when I get home, hardware browsing on mobile is meh
...

[sand saddle]

Budget, location

[narrow folio]

Around 1500€, Austria

budget is open for discussion, better to aim low and expand a bit

https://at.pcpartpicker.com/list/CFWtQP

Just a quick first shot, have to look at the stuff to compare and see if something is better

[dire igloo]

At 1440p, you should consider a weaker CPU and a stronger GPU

[narrow folio]

yeah, 4070 or 7800xt is pretty much the minimum for 1440p if high details are needed.
But I'd like to stick with an x3d CPU. should help with satis 😁

as said, the budget is not set in stone, just a rough starting point. If need be I'll go higher

Mum said 1k would be ok for a new PC, I just take that and add something myself to get her something better

let's call it an early christmas present

[dire igloo]

If you're GPU limited, the CPU won't help

Btw, I've been playing 1440p with a 5700xt for a long time

I'd go 7600 or 7600x with a 7900xt

[narrow folio]

I played satis on a r9 390 at 3240x1920 for a year. it was manageable, but nowhere near as satisfying as on my new PC

[dire igloo]

Imagine not having a satisfactory experience with Satisfactory

[edgy hazel]

Internal logistics stuff

[narrow folio]

maybe I'm blind, but how can I search for an ASIN number from Lenovo to see what exactly is in the laptop?

[twin dew]

psref.lenovo.com/

4 first to the search up to, then should get to listing with submodels of that.

[narrow folio]

thanks!
this refurbed shop seems to either got a wrong number or modified the hardware. a T495 / ryzen 3 3300U / 16GB / 512GB for 350€ would be an ok upgrade for a half broken i5 2xxxxU laptop from a friend

the display is probably one of those with only 45% ntsc, but well...

[dire igloo]

Decent spec, but wouldn't say wrong number or modified hardware

[charred pewter]

AI generation is getting really annoying now....

we are constantly getting random fake "DMCA Violation" notices which are just AI generated, grabbing some random image from our site, and some other random image and then saying we are violating some copyright and we have to provider some link credit to some rando other website

i mean, there has been times in the past the DMCA notices were legit, and it was just a take down notice because some developer used something they shouldn't have

but these new ones ... are like... geezus stfu

people using AI generation now for BAD shit too

[jagged snow]

I've had social media bots actually leaving context aware comments on some of my posts

[charred pewter]

its crazy

some of these 'legal' notices even go so far as making up fake generated websites with ai generated people who dont even exist

ha, wow ... the example they use in this article is a near match of some of the more recent scam emails we've seen come in: searchengineland.com/beware-of-fake-dmca-link-requests-by-ai-generated-lawyers-383811

its a scary world we are entering ....* skynet is not far now*

[dire igloo]

Have done so ever since it was readily available and easily mistaken for human interaction.

Scammers now do the grandson-scam by training a TTS AI on actual voice snippets of the victim's grandson

[charred pewter]

geez

my mantra as of ... 1999: "QUESTION EVERYTHING"

[long crypt]

how i can uninstal TaskbarX, i cannot do it in control panel and i cant turn off auto start of it

nvm i found it in download

[charred pewter]

this WD NAS still amazes me at how much of a piece of shit it is

[night girder]

I always though WD was kinda garbage.

[charred pewter]

apparently anything that isnt just the hard drives themselves are garbage with them ...

i mean, when they code in a 'firmware update' for their NAS to cause it to say all RAID drives within are 'bad, need replacing' (when they are perfectly fine) ... is just shit programming (or intentional to get people to mass buy more drives, i dunno)

[night girder]

my guess is the later

[maiden coyote]

when I think of nas hardware, other than the drives I don't think of WD.. synology comes to mind

[charred pewter]

it was cheap, something i thought would serve a basic purpose without needing a new degree in hardware management. i dont consider synology because i would not use 99.5% of its features or intended purpose

😄 and i figured "WD do good drives, maybe their simple NAS will be decent"

WRONG

[tough owl]

I refuse to buy from WD anymore

[charred pewter]

yup im pretty much there now too given that i no longer buy HDDs

too many other companies provide decent SSDs that WD is rarely even on my 'consider' list

[charred pewter]

lol? "Youtube has started to artificially slow down video load times if you use Firefox. Spoofing Chrome magically makes this problem go away."

[narrow folio]

nothing to see here, please move along...

[twin dew]

And how is that relevant to this channel?

[charred pewter]

well I got the Sabrent external enclosure in .... and its as I expected. it HAS the capacitors, and their Logo on the PCB .... but the Serial Number, and the QA sticker both suggest its an older model they just sent me to shut me up. the serial number is actually about 800 digits 'younger' than my first one I bought in january

clearly the 'new' versions of this enclosure they are shipping out, is inferior garbage... and didnt want to fess up and say such

i will definitely be dropping my 5-star review from jan, down to 1 star with a clear picture and warning to 'new buyers'

i mean, sure im happy i now have two working enclosures... but, new ones are just shit now for this model

[gray crest]

@twin dew sorry was not looking i ment to put it in the #1038092680493801533

[gilded helm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1uRrYkAn88&t=65s

According to Intel there are 3 billion gamers. Of those, 1.8 billion are on PC, and 40% of PC gamers (720m) are on laptop.

[jagged snow]

I'm really surprised that pc has over 50% of the market share

And that's completely failing to account for the mobile market, which is bigger than pc, mac, console, and linux put together

[tough owl]

theres something to be said pushing games to devices almost everyone has

[gilded helm]

Some amount of those people are on multiple platforms, which Intel didn't dig into.

[tough owl]

at first I thought mobile gaming is stupid but whip out a portable controler like a kishi and boom fun for everyone

[gilded helm]

$2500 for the cheapest mobile 4090 as far as I can tell. Nvidia and laptop OEMs still laughing all the way to the bank for that upcharge.

[jagged snow]

Mobile 4090 should not exist

It's so hamstrung it doesn't even come close to 50% of the desktop version in most workloads

[gilded helm]

Not as bad as what they did to the 4070 and below this generation, barely improving performance while also having wonky driver issue. Lovelace laptops only just got Shadowplay.

[tough owl]

Bring back pascal mobile to desktop performance to naming disparity

[jagged snow]

Imo they should advertise it as mobile 4080 and just drop the number by one for everything

The performance would still be less than 75% for most of the lineup

[gilded helm]

Power limited GPUs in mobile stil lthrow a wrench into everything. There's been buzz about this 4060 laptop for $750. But it's outperformed by 4050 laptops.

https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-G5-1920x1080-i5-12500H-KF-E3US333SH/dp/B0BVRGF3MR

For $750 maybe it's worth it either way. Jarrod has a review of that machine, oddly it ships with 1 memory stick, so an easy boost is adding another

[languid gulch]

mobile 4090 sounds like a ford F250 without a trailer hitch or 4WD

[gilded helm]

Sometimes I remind myself that there are still plenty of consumers out there who only know they have an i7 and Nvidia, and all the rest of those numbers are just an alien language to them anyway. I still don't know how much it matters, but Nvidia may as well just name things in such a way that the tech press doesn't sneer at them.

[languid gulch]

it's a deliberate choice to confuse consumers into spending more than they need to for what most people will be using it for

they couldn't give less of a shit about the press' opinions on that

[gilded helm]

I don't know how many people are actually confused, though. It'd be interesting to dig into, but I don't know a way to study it effectively.

[languid gulch]

actually, they probably love screwing with the press & making them run around & do their work for them, trying to explain all the naming schemes for consumers

[gilded helm]

I know someone who just bought an HP Victus with "an 8GB Nividia and i7" and they were super excited about it.

Nividia is how they pronounced it.

For people like my friend there, there's probably no naming scheme that matters.

[languid gulch]

exactly

so long as it has the intel & nvidia names attached to it, they'll spend the money on it

[gilded helm]

Hence all these Phoenix laptops with a 4050.

[languid gulch]

even if it's lower performance or older gen

[gilded helm]

It's just funny to me because Nvidia should be figuring out how to get reviewers to say 'wow they got 3090 performance into laptops.' Instead reviewers get stuck on Nvidia's hilariously misleading marketing.

[languid gulch]

i always suspect that kind of journalism is intentional so as to not piss off their sources & lose access

[gilded helm]

I guess in 2025 we'll see Nvidia try again. If they can squeeze a 450mm N3 chip with 24GB of GDDR7 into a laptop, they could try and claim more raster, RT, memory bandwidth, etc than a desktop 4090 potentially. Which is cool. But they'll still find a way to rile people up with ridiculous marketing. I guess it feels like AMD and Intel are all guilty of this for various products these days, though.

In particular barely anyone can seem to get day 1 pricing on anything to be perceived as favorable.

7800 XT maybe did the best job of this in a while? And even then, that's faint praise because all along you could have had RDNA2.

[charred pewter]

so i have an old iphone 6s ... it has no service, but it has a sim card in it. i have a newer (but still old) iphone 8+ im moving stuff over too ... but it doesnt have any sim card in it at all. can i move the sim card from the 6s to the 8+ without like ... wrecking everything on the 8+? (I still wont get service, but i want the 8+ to stop bitching about no sim card)

[cyan crescent]

I got my vive wireless adapter hooked up and working. Yay!

[dusk rivet]

what headset do you have?

[maiden coyote]

I think nivida had an 800 series that was mobile only.. they should go back to doing that

[gilded helm]

Generations around Kepler and Maxwell were all kinda weird due to refreshes. I think we've been basically stable since 900 series? The biggest anomaly has been the 16 series.

[maiden coyote]

It's just different versions of the same card now. Like the 8 or 12gb configurations

Same stuff they've always done. Ig

[pure karma]

just noticed the 14900K has the same power draw as the 13700K and 13900K 125W base 253W turbo

so whats even the point

i mean i guess atleast it wont burn down any more than these allready are but like huh?

[gilded helm]

It's another Kaby/Rocket Lake

Basically pointless, but maybe mobile benefits a little.

[pure karma]

i mean from a future standpoint i see myself getting it to both max out the capabilities of this board and the 6GHZ speed over the 5.4 of the 13700k but then again if you allready have a 13900k its a pointless 0.2GHZ upgrade

[gilded helm]

Gen on gen upgrades are always a dubious proposition even if you are looking at real generations.

And this isn't a real generation. This is what they wanted Raptor Lake to be in the first place but couldn't get it all working.

Of course good luck telling that to Intel marketing.

[pure karma]

well yea its modern business just rename your last product and resell it

its bad buisness but modern buisness

[gilded helm]

It's worked for cars and mattresses for decades 🙃

[sharp oasis]

@twin dew I suspect i may have damaged my gpu

When im running High stress loads and discord at the same time

occasionally the screen running discord Turns white and flickers

Disabling hardware acceleration Stopped that

its also possibly associated with Higher clocks

Its rare to occur at stock but still does

[jagged snow]

That's a bug in discord

Updating your drivers may help but discord doesn't properly support amd hw accel

[pure karma]

thats rough 37fps whit dlss on lol

kinda testing to see how the 4070ti would react to 3840x1080 to get an idea of posible 4k performance at half the pixel count and its rough

stutery 50-70fps whit frame generation enabled so not much better

now i can reduce the graphics more but at that point id rather go down to 1080P

seeing mixed results overall

generally over 60fps but under 100fps

[sharp oasis]

Oh

Breuh

[cyan crescent]

Vive pro 2

[dusk rivet]

ooh

that's the one i want to upgrade to

currently have the classic vive, got it 5 years ago?

[cyan crescent]

its reeally nice

[dusk rivet]

was kinda debating between it and the valve index

the index's OLED screens and off ear audio looks super nice

[cyan crescent]

typingg in vr atm

[dusk rivet]

but the pro 2 has vastly superior screen resolution

how do you type in vr with any sort of reasonable speed

usually takes me forever to write anything in vr

[cyan crescent]

with difficulty

[dusk rivet]

big question though, do you like the ergonomics of the controllers

[cyan crescent]

i have the index controllers

[hardy forge]

What would be better a
27 inch 144Hz, free sync moniter
Or
27 inch 165Hz, adaptive sync Moniter

[dusk rivet]

good, good

[cyan crescent]

i pieced it alll together

[dusk rivet]

funnily enough you have like the exact setup i want

pro 2, index controllers, wireless adapter

what base stations are you using?

the vive ones or the index ones

[cyan crescent]

The vive ones. And i dont use the battery bank that came with the wireless adapter. I have a 26k bank in my back pocket atm

[dusk rivet]

better battery life i assume?

[cyan crescent]

very

[dusk rivet]

nice, nice

fully body tracking?

[cyan crescent]

Yep

[dusk rivet]

two ankle trackers and a waste tracker?

[cyan crescent]

Vive battery on right, mine on the left

[cyan crescent]

Yes.

[dusk rivet]

I have the same setup, but too few games have proper support for them

and for the ones that doo, it honestly doesn't make the gameplay any more fun

[cyan crescent]

The vive battery is around 9,750mah. Mine is 26,000mah

Pair that setup with an AMD Radeon 7900XTX and its amazing

[sharp oasis]

@jagged snow Hmm yes my gpu LOVES to coil whine lol

[jagged snow]

Fun

[sharp oasis]

idle atm

and its crazy loud with coil whine

[jagged snow]

What's the power draw?

[sharp oasis]

21w

running YT and discord

[jagged snow]

Coil whine occurs under specific voltage/current draw

[sharp oasis]

as welll as wallpaper engine

[jagged snow]

If you put a load on it does it go away?

[sharp oasis]

yes

[jagged snow]

Unfortunate

[narrow folio]

sometimes I ask myself if there is a way to avoid coil whine altogether. that could require some sort of expensive high quality coils, changes to the power stage circuit or avoiding those switching frequencies where whine occurs and maybe sacrifice some efficiency as consequence?

[bitter pond]

Bout to run satisfactory dedicated server off a android

[twin dew]

From: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDEUOoWTzGw

[narrow folio]

Nice CPU, sadly too pricey

[twin dew]

That performance difference for actual work, and the low power used for performance number would make them great for what they are intended.

Those actually using them for work.
Saving time and sipping electricity.

If you use one of the software that actually benefit from the cores.

[narrow folio]

True, if you have a good use case for those cores and in the best case can even earn money with that go for it

[twin dew]

That is the whole point of HEDT and up workstation stuff.
HEDT is more for freelancers, and then the Pro and Xeon equivalents are for companies.

[narrow folio]

7995WX hello 👋

[twin dew]

And that is Threadripper Pro, so the latter.

But yes, freelancers can go with that too, if they have the money.

[narrow folio]

just looked at the prices, the 7960x seems rather reasonable in comparison

[twin dew]

But that only gives advantage if you have load that needs the memory channels vs. AM5.

[narrow folio]

but yeah, I'd only go for anything like that if I could make money with that

[twin dew]

Or the PCIe.

[narrow folio]

a bunch of PCIe lanes are nice for some A6000 GPUs with nvme storage...

🤑

[languid gulch]

yea, that kind of cpu is to make money, usually thru saving time or mass calculations

[narrow folio]

in every time is money scenario this is the right thing to grab

[languid gulch]

yup

or to beat someone to a product release

[twin dew]

Only in limited case of those, that benefit from the cores and not frequency.

Or the extra RAM channels.

[narrow folio]

or RAM capacity

[languid gulch]

i'd love it if consumer CPUs had more PCIe lanes

even 24 doesn't feel like enough anymore

[twin dew]

Problems are the socket pins, die area for the transceivers and the MB to route the lanes.

[languid gulch]

oh definitely

tho with how fat intel CPUs are getting they might have some room now 🤣

[twin dew]

LN2 OC video on the new threadripper from GN: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU179_czCnU

Ended now.

[languid gulch]

yea i was watching that for about an hour

was fun to see steve be an assistant asking good questions

[twin dew]

Ah, they got the AMD OC team to do it, the LN2 OC they talked about wanting to do in the aircooler world record thing.

[languid gulch]

oh yea, they wanted the pros to handle it

[twin dew]

So Win-Win.

[languid gulch]

was good to see the banter

[twin dew]

Someone with username "DogFace" has since done better.

Elmor has done 6000MHz R23 multi on 7995WX

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP6vuvOVTcc

[languid gulch]

GN tripped OCP because they only had a 1500W psu

so they spliced in a 2nd

it spiked up to 1800W

didn't trip immediately, took like 6s, which was kind of impressive out of the PSU, it was handling it until it decided it was done instead of immediately just going NOPE

[twin dew]

Some new Threadripper MB (Asus one?) had native dual-PSU support.

Two ATX 24pin etc. connectors.

[languid gulch]

yea they weren't using that one 🤣

at one point i swear someone said "want a paper clip"

[wide void]

lol

[narrow folio]

paper clip to turn on the PSU is as old as ATX

[languid gulch]

oh i know, it's just hilarious to hear that when they're surrounded by tens of thousands of dollars worth of hardware

it's like when Neil & Buzz were getting ready to take off from the Moon & one of them noticed that the ignition toggle switch had broken off, so Buzz used a pen cap

[dusk rivet]

imagine trying to win the silicon lottery with threadrippers

100 chips and pick the best one

[wanton orchid]

you also have to win the PSU lottery at that point
surprised they didn't go with seasonic big ass PSUs
those are known to be able to handle 300W more peak than they are rated for

[narrow folio]

Cisco builds PSU with multiple kW, but those I know of are for catalyst cases and are not really usable as ATX supply... anyway, a used WS-CAC-8700W-E is kinda cheap if you ever need pure power

50V is not that often used in personal applications though...

[wide void]

any thoughts on why these 2 are Quite so different in this instance? I'd normally expect a few % variation.. lol

[twin dew]

Compression

You can set NTFS to compress any file or directory.

Or there can be links so that the upper one contains same file multiple times.

[wide void]

mmm, fair enough

[twin dew]

And it is only on the disk once.
But would multiply if you tried to copy the directory.

[narrow folio]

yeah, static links would be counted for each reference

[twin dew]

Need to find a inexpensive SFP+ 10G module for some fiber version...

That works with SFP+ port on ZyXel switch.

Suggestions?

Probably Ubiquiti 10GUACC-OM-MM-10G-D-2, 10GBase-SR, for multimode OM# fiber cables with LC connectors.

With TP-Link TL-SM5110-SR as the other option?

[wanton orchid]

I mean it completly depends on the other side, the switches, and the fiber

[twin dew]

Fiber will be bought at same time.
And AFAIK Zyxel doesn't have lockouts.

[wanton orchid]

first, the 2 side modules must match
second, the fiber type must match
then, each module must be compatible with its respective switch

[twin dew]

In theory the modules don't need to match.
But as in this case both switches will be ZyXel XGS1250-12:s.
And with just about 15m distance, and no ready fiber, what is selected depends on what is cheapest in total.

So mainly need to find cheap -SR receivers that are compatible with that switch, but finding info is hard.
But it shouldn't have lockouts like Cisco etc.

And yes, I know there are actual problems sometimes if the modules don't match.

Zyxel of course only lists their own ones, but those cost about 200e each here, with that ubiquity is 50 for two.

[wanton orchid]

weird that it is so much different prices

if it has same speed and range ratings

[twin dew]

Because the big switch manufacturers have huge margins on the modules, and they have those lockouts in their switches to force it.

And then the smaller people do "compatible" modules.

Official Cisco transceivers cost arm and leg, third party compatible ones are from about 50e

[wanton orchid]

looks like printer industry shit to me

[twin dew]

Basically.

[wanton orchid]

how the fuck can they say "SFP+" instead of "Cisco SFP+ modules"

on the switches characteristics

[twin dew]

No idea, when there is crypto-handshake that the switch does and only allows the use of modules that pass.

[narrow folio]

is a direct attached sfp+ cable an option? like Netgear AXC7615

[twin dew]

There aren't long enough ones AFAIK.

[wanton orchid]

I thought of that but 15m start to be long

[twin dew]

Those top at around 3m.

[narrow folio]

those are optical 15m, just without the option to remove the fibre

50€

but yes, the passive copper ones are only usable up to 10m

[twin dew]

Need to look more then.
And see what forums say about what is compatible with those Prosumer Zyxel switches.

Right now I need to finish eating, will look more tomorrow probably.

But those netgear ones are available in few specialist stores.

Also need to check the actual run length.
Max 15m, possibly low as 7m.

[narrow folio]

Infiniband comes to mind, but probably not the right thing if a switch is needed on both sides.
but cool for direct connection to a nas

[twin dew]

Replacing copper run with fiber to free space in conduit for copper run to another place.

Replaceable side small diameter thing.

I thought I got stuff that fits two copper runs, but cannot close the cover with that.
Just tested by inserting two from open end.

The sides need to bend in to get the cover in place.

[narrow folio]

fibre uses less space, would help with the conduit

[twin dew]

That was the point.

That copper + fiber will fit.
And will lower the heat output of the switches too for the 10G link.

[narrow folio]

but be aware of the radii

[twin dew]

Yes, I know.

And even copper cables, especially shielded ones have bend radius limitations.
And solid core cables are much more finicky on that than multistranded.

[pure karma]

is 20Tb of total read on a 256gb drive whit only windows impresive or no?

9Tb of write aswell kinda nuts

[narrow folio]

depends. what timeframe?

[pure karma]

like a 2018 nvme

[narrow folio]

I'd say nothing out of the ordinary

[twin dew]

Just 80 drive writes so far.

[pure karma]

everything about this nvme screams odd but then again only i have ever used it so ehh..

[twin dew]

Ah, that was the reads.

So just 36 drive writes, so not much at all.

[dusk rivet]

i just realized i installed one of my cpu cooler fans by resting it on my ram

how did i not realize that for so long

[twin dew]

120 day usage if the drive was specced for 0.3DWPD.

[pure karma]

so about 9Tb of windows updates is normal in 5 years?

cuz this is quite an odd drive

[twin dew]

And hasn't really been used much if it is only up to 9TB of writes.
The most crappy drives are usually specced to 0.1DWPD, and that 0.3 or about there is the common consumer drive one, and for the Read-oriented enterprise drives.
For 0.1DWPD drive, that would be 360 days of specced usage.

Drive Writes Per Day, how much of the capacity is written each day.
So 1DWPD on 256GB drive would be 256GB per day of writes.

Those are calculated so that the total specced endurance is used when the warranty ends.

[night girder]

IT 101: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvJswk-6dZ8

[twin dew]

Seems to be good for about anything in the SFP+ port, two different forums and users:

It eats all kind of SFP+, no compatibility issues (used, intel, Aruba, older HP, Cisco and unbranded).
SFP+ comparibility is fine, the switch eats everything (HPE/Aruba, Intel, unbranded, H3C).

[twin dew]

Cheapest Cisco 10G SFP+ is 450e 😆
When cheapest ones are about that 25e each for the same 10G-SR

And Cheapest Cisco compatible module is 31e in the same shop as the official Cisco one.

[wanton orchid]

chromium project failed to compile 3 times in a row already, specific version
was working fine before, memory stresstest still does not show any error

everything else compiles fine

system runs very ok

wtfh

libc showing errors similar to satisfactory dedicated server's one

ironically

maybe they should land a fix and the latest kernel triggers some unknown corner cases ?

[twin dew]

Ok, cannot find any info if the Ubiquiti modules work in other switches and at least some that their SFP+ DACs don't.
So might need to consider TP-Link TL-SM5110-SR:s.

[wanton orchid]

I have memory errors ptsd

[twin dew]

ECC RAM \o/

[wanton orchid]

I know

but it's hella expensive

I still run with expensive 2017 DDR4

[twin dew]

32GB 2Rx8 3200MT/s @ 1.2V ones with Hynix 16Gbit C-die are 84e each.
16GB 2Rx8 3200MT/s @ 1.2V ones with Hynix 8Gbit R-die are 47e each.
16GB 1Rx8 3200MT/s @ 1.2V ones with Hynix 16Gbit C-die are 50e each.

In Finland.

[wanton orchid]

wait, DDR4 is eol

your right, should not be that expensive rn

[twin dew]

For part numbers:
www.kingston.com/en/memory/server-premier/ddr4-3200mts-ecc-unbuffered-dimm

Trying to get the Micron ones, but the site is SLOW.

The base spec is just JEDEC, no XMP.
But OC like any other RAM with the same ICs.

Micron:
www.crucial.com/catalog/memory/server-ddr4?speed(-)DDR4-3200(--)module-type(-)ECC UDIMM

And the ECC RAM isn't that much more expensive than the pre-OCd stuff with the same chips.
Can even be cheaper at times.

[wanton orchid]

I found a screenshot with exact same kit

[twin dew]

So only set to do 2133MT/s @ 1.2V.

[wanton orchid]

yep I successfully pulled a 3133MHZ at 1.39V without much fiddling
but anyway it was just for chip layout/ performance comparison

[twin dew]

That is what confuses people.
They compare the JEDEC spec ECC to XMP.
And not the JEDEC on the XMP DIMMs.

[wanton orchid]

I'm not confused by that

I'm just sharing the exact spec for completness and performance/quality comparing

I'm still not used to memory topology language

[wanton orchid]

(2T no geardown no powerdown, XMP timings)

[twin dew]

Unfortunately the Hynix 16G:s aren't in the DDR4 OC guide.
The Micron 16G B-die is in there in "expect 5000+ MT/s" tier.

Too bad the Crucial site doesn't specify the die...
And the Micron site is fucked.

[wanton orchid]

what ram are you talking about

[twin dew]

Micron MTA18ASF4G72AZ-3G2R, trying to see if it is that Micron 16Gbit B-die, or something newer.

[wanton orchid]

wait

does that mean at 2133mhz base rating, the chips are only rated for 2T ? or am I missing something

[twin dew]

That is the real frequency, the 2133MT/s is effective, with DDR.

Where each clock cycle is used to transfer two bits.

One on rising edge, second of falling edge.

[wanton orchid]

ok so 1067mhz is 1T at 2133mt/s data

[twin dew]

So 1600MHz, 3200MT/s.

For example.

[wanton orchid]

yep

[twin dew]

Everyone just uses the MHz wrong for the second.

MegaTransfers per second.

[wanton orchid]

yea I know but I dont want to try to use MT as anyway those are still pulses

and randomly used

except for jedec specs

[wanton orchid]

would that explain why it can only run over 2133 at 2T though ?

[twin dew]

Ok, so that fourth number of the part after - tells the die revision for Micron whole DIMMs.

For DDR4

[wanton orchid]

you mean here ?

[twin dew]

No, that isn't Micron kit, meant their ECC kits I linked.

[wanton orchid]

what I meant by not getting the topology languag yet is about 1Rx16 2Rx8 or alike

[twin dew]

So the 16Gbit B-die is EOL for modules...
And the later aren't in the DDR4 OC stuff.

[wanton orchid]

may even got that wrong already

[twin dew]

1 rank or 2 rank, then how many bits per chip.
x16 is slower than x8, because the x16 chips have half the internal bank groups.

DDR4 needs 2Rx8 for almost full speed, 1Rx8 and 2Rx16 are about 10% slower in actual usage because not enough bank groups, and 1Rx16 is just disaster.

1R is usually one-sided, 2R usually dual-sided.

But the actual number of chips or if there are chips on both sides are not 100% way to see if RAM is 1R or 2R.

1Rx8 for highest frequency OC.
2Rx8 for best performance in most cases.

[wanton orchid]

I see only 2Rx8 here, then it shows 16GB and 32GB
so 32GB is 2x8x16bit chips and 16GB is 2x8x8 chips ?

[twin dew]

2 sticks of 1Rx8 per channel for total of four sticks will be same speed as 1 stick per channel of 2Rx8, if the frequency is the same.

[wanton orchid]

but less stable I believe ?

because not packed on same pcb

[twin dew]

Limits the max frequency to lower one.

If the board is Daisy Chain and not T-topology.

But 16GB stick can be done as 1Rx8, with 16Gbit chips, or as 2Rx8 with 8Gbit chips.

[wanton orchid]

so that's it

[twin dew]

Using 8 chips per rank with x8 chips.
Or with 4 chips per rank with x16 chips.

Or with 16 chips per rank with x4 chips.

The x8 is most common for desktop RAM, x16 is usually only used with SODIMMs.
Or currently for example 8GB DDR5 UDIMMs are with x16 chips, as there are no 8Gbit x8 chips.

Only 16Gbit as minimum.

[wanton orchid]

so for 2Rx8
it is rigth it is either 2x8x8 or 2x8x16 for 16GB and 32GB

[twin dew]

Yes.

Understood your lines wrong, because you put the x16bit with the first.

Understood it as that bus width of the chip.

Which is separate from chip capacity.

[wanton orchid]

I struggle to get the 5900X max memory supported
I dont know if it can get 2(c)x2(r)x8(c)x16(b)

[twin dew]

Because official max speed support with 2 DIMMs is 2666MT/s.

Whops, 4x 1R DIMM: 2933, 4x 2R DIMM 2667.

So you can get it, just that the max RAM frequency drops.
That is the spec, the max OC also drops.
The 3600MT/s "unofficial" spec is just for 1 DIMM per channel.

But you don't need to care about the chip size that much, it is just something that comes from the ranks and capacity.
Just to make sure not get DIMM with x16 chips.

Only comes into effect if you want specific die.

Because Manufacturer A 4Gbit DDR4 X-die, 8 Gbit DDR4 X-die and 16Gbit DDR4 X-die have no relation to each other.

[wanton orchid]

I'm looking at MTA18ASF4G72AZ-3G2R

2Rx8
I target 2Rx8 with all the informations I have now

but I was wondering if 5900X could support 2x2 dimm with 2R

and your "only one dimm per channel" aslo applies for 2R ?

[twin dew]

AMD official RAM speed support for the 3000/5000 series CPU IOD IMC:

[wanton orchid]

so I was not looking at the right location thank you

[twin dew]

So with 1 stick per channel, 3200MT/s, both 1R and 2R.
With 2 sticks per channel, 2933MT/s if all the sticks are 1R.
With 2 sticks per channel, 2667MT/s if all sticks are 2R.
Mixed in between where there is 3R total per channel.

And the OC is somewhere above.
That is with IMC at stock voltage.

And DRAM at 1.2V JEDEC.

They have that table missing from some of the 5000 series CPUs, including the 5900X.

[wanton orchid]

I see
MTA18ASF4G72AZ-3G2B1ZI
and
MTA18ASF4G72AZ-3G2F1ZI
in unspecified dimm number motherboard qvl at 3200 32GB
so I expect
MTA18ASF4G72AZ-3G2R
to be newer variant

[twin dew]

B-die, F-die, R-die.
So yes, new spins of the "same" thing, but that can change everything.

[wanton orchid]

f*

[twin dew]

But QVLs are not that relevant anymore most of the time.

Second page has the decoder for the Micron DDR4 modules:
media-www.micron.com/-/media/client/global/documents/products/part-numbering-guide/numsdrammod.pdf?la=en&rev=79e3864cbeac4be190fa3c619a12bddb

Micron hasn't added that 3G2R to their own site at all...
Still on 2021-12 datasheet with only B1 and F1.

[twin dew]

So 32GB stick, two ranks, x8 chips so 8+1 chips per rank, using Micron 16Gbit x8 R-dies. with 3200MT/s @ 1.2V with 22-22-22 primaries.
Overclocking potential unknown.

Micron 16Gbit B-die was A-tier in the DDR4 OC guide, where Samsung 8Gbit B-die is the only S-tier.
But F and R are not there.

Where for example Samsung 8Gbit B-die is that S-tier, the Samsung 8Gbit C-die (next revision) is D-tier.

And just checked.
The current copper cable is about 12m long.
Cable markings are wonderful. That cable is self-made, with markings saying it starts at about 74m left on the reel and ends at about 62m left on the reel.

And as the ready made stuff mostly jumps from 10m to 15m in length, need 15m for the fiber.

And 15m LC-LC OM3 cable would be 25e, and then 50e for pair of SFP+ 10GBASE-SR modules, will probably go with that instead of that Netgear Active Optical DAC linked earlier that would be about 50-55e.

As the other solution is more reusable in future and cheaper to replace if something breaks, as only one 25e thing needs replacing.

And the salty complainer with too old HW is still salty:

And somehow the -NoMultiplayer doesn't work for him normally.
Or he is failing something, again.

[jagged snow]

Don't you love it when the 0.05% wants a studio to spend thousands of dollars in dev time and other investments to cater to the fact that they can buy a 30 dollar game but not drop 100 dollars to upgrade their hardware to something that meets the minimum specs?

If you didn't want the game to change, you shouldn't have bought it in early access.

[twin dew]

Tried to help as they are in bad place.
But there are limits what I can do.

[jagged snow]

They said something about being injured and on social security iirc

But as I said, upgrading to semi-modern hardware can easily be accomplished for under $100

[twin dew]

So very limited income, way too much free time, and not being to able do much.
So game like this can be life saving.
And getting that $100 free can be multi-month process.

[jagged snow]

Yup, I'm well aware of how tight social security benefits can be - notably, that's not really the case for disability benefits, they pay out extremely well

[twin dew]

And the payers of those disability benefits will fight you every step of the way to deny giving them.

And you can often get left behind in limbo where you cannot work, but don't get paid for the injury.

[jagged snow]

SSDI is a pretty easy process, where you run into problems is if you haven't worked any legal jobs

[twin dew]

Depends on country how it works.
And even in US there are in absolute terms lot of cases that are in that limbo.

The diagnosis just isn't accepted.

[jagged snow]

I don't want to be a hater, but most of those cases are genuinely people that should not be recieving long-term support from the government

[twin dew]

Some are, not all.

[jagged snow]

Out of dozen or so people I know that are currently on disability, at least three are fully capable of working and live extremely lavish lifestyles because they work other jobs under the table while continuing to pull disability benefits

And the system is rather bad at distributing wealth anyways

[twin dew]

There is usually some things that make it trivial to get disability, then for some others it needs some fighting.
And then for some types of chronic pain and/or long term joint damage etc. it can be almost impossible.

And yes, some of those "almost instant" types will actually allow you to work pretty well after a time even full-time, or at limited per week basis.

When some of the "never" types have hard time even functioning at home without help.

[wanton orchid]

interesting

so a bit more Cu for R soldering

looks like Rdie is a later revision then

[twin dew]

Yes, they usually start at A and go up letter per revision.
Hynix starts at M and A is second one.