off-topic-tech

[sharp oasis]

No

[jagged snow]

You also can't go faster than that on apple for rendering

[sharp oasis]

and he prolly never will

Bros gonna have the most Gpu bottleneck the world ever seen

RX7600 paired with a new Gen Threadripper

(Hes buying a new gpu anyway)

[jagged snow]

That's a pretty fast gpu for that sort of system actually

[sharp oasis]

He also runs GPU rendering

[proven sun]

Hello. I have notified the following with new version (maybe it was already there before) : when some object are fast moving, it looks like there is some kind of ghosting / transparent effect behind them.
Is this something that can be turned off ? If yes does it have any effect on performance ? It's probably some sort of optimization right ?

[sharp oasis]

He has two gpus slotted a 1660 super and the 7600

HENCE WHY I SAID TO HIM
"JUST BUY A 4090 AT THIS POINT"

Like deadass

He oroginally wanted to make a SUper heavy productivity rig

and now he is

[jagged snow]

Wrong channel, #satisfactory or #1038092680493801533

[sharp oasis]

like my man Im not gonna say what he renders as hes a complete Furry degenerate

[proven sun]

OK no prob. I asked a video resolution related 5 min ago and get bounced here (eg: please go to #off-topic-tech )

[sharp oasis]

But yeah

Hes actually going threadripper

[jagged snow]

Can you link to that?

[pure karma]

i have defedently asked this before but whats even the point of SLI nowadays

[sharp oasis]

Its not SLI

its using the gpus for renders

[proven sun]

#satisfactory message

[sharp oasis]

as separate render devices

allowing him to run more then one render at once

[pure karma]

wdym on difrent mobos or what?

[sharp oasis]

on same mobo

just being used as two Render devices

so he can dedicate a render job to one

and anothe render job to the other

and one more to the cpu

[jagged snow]

Yeah, you shouldn't have been directed here. Make a thread in #1038092680493801533 or ask in #satisfactory again and I'll try to help you out

[pure karma]

but like is there still a point in running multiple gpu's in one system for just shear performance output

[jagged snow]

There are some scenarios where it's usefull, yes

rendering/datacenter applications as well as some proffesional applications

[pure karma]

arent most cards not even compatible to do so?

[jagged snow]

All cards are able to do so

[pure karma]

really?

[jagged snow]

You're confusing crossfire/sli with just having multiple cards in a system

[pure karma]

so if i just throw in my 1660 into a lower pcie slot it will just in theory act as a performance booster?

[jagged snow]

NO

[pure karma]

exactly there not

at all compatible

[jagged snow]

Also no

[sharp oasis]

The 1660 in his system isisnt a prefomance booster

Its Acting Quite simply as a completely Separate Render device

[pure karma]

so in dummy terms practically just a overpriced display output slot multiplier

[jagged snow]

Nope

[pure karma]

in the scenario i just explained yea?...

cuz they cant both work on the same workload

[jagged snow]

That's the point

It's to run multiple seperate workloads at once

[sharp oasis]

Allowing him to render Multiple things at the same time

[pure karma]

but cant you have multiple of the same type of card work together on the same thing for a bigger performance output? isent that what SLi is?

[sharp oasis]

With losses

And really its not nesasasrly the way to go

and 40 sereies no longer is able to SLI

that ended with 30 series

[pure karma]

where people would chain like 2 or even 3 2080 Supers in a system for 4K gaming in like 2016-2018

[sharp oasis]

That was in that time

That isint much the case now

[pure karma]

yea unfortunately

[sharp oasis]

Ehh

Honestly for the better

[pure karma]

why because of temps?

[sharp oasis]

power useage, Microstutters, Its honestly not the way to go

Multi GPU setups are really only for Productivity

[pure karma]

so practically rendering only and not active workload

[narrow folio]

a 4090 is faster than 3090ti sli

in most cases

[sharp oasis]

Single gpu for gaming

I mean...

6750XT^2

[narrow folio]

SLI was cool when it was introduced with the voodoo 2 line to increase rendering resolution from 800x600 to 1024x768

[sharp oasis]

get two of em lol

[jagged snow]

Most do

[narrow folio]

I've seen pictures of quad 4090 builds for rendering purposes or ai training, have fun cooling this

[pure karma]

why is ROG selling a 4090 whit an aio so they cant upcharge it to 3000$ 😕

i feel like that is both a posibly good idea and also a god awfull idea

[sharp oasis]

He went custom waterloop

Ironically instaid of getting a new car

He spent it on a pc

[narrow folio]

If you can make some money with it or if it's your sole hobby... why not

[sharp oasis]

Fair

He now def will have the most overpowered PC out of all of the freing group

[narrow folio]

when I think about what other people invest in car tuning... a quad 4090 seems cheap 😁

[sharp oasis]

He is going dual 4090

Fucken hell

[pure karma]

yea 3000$ on a pc isent that bad of an invesment when you compare it to like 100K on a car

its all about perspective really

[narrow folio]

I think this build will be more in the 8k range, but still

[sharp oasis]

Still a decent chunk of money

[pure karma]

ehhh more if he is going for 4

[sharp oasis]

his only gaming use

VR

[pure karma]

yea i expected more like $20K-$25K

[jagged snow]

K meaning thousand dollars in this context

[sharp oasis]

bros gonnas have that extreme powerbill lmfao

[narrow folio]

well, that price from mifcom is a bit high, surely you will save some bucks when making your own build

but yeah, get ready for that power bill🤣

[sharp oasis]

thank god he trys to undervolt

[narrow folio]

wise choice

reminds me that I still have to do that with my GPU

[cyan crescent]

This weird setup has helped me determine that my pcie to m.2 adapter works as needed. This isnt how the final setup is going to be.

[sharp oasis]

i feel bad for ur gpu

[cyan crescent]

I only did it that way so i could test if this $40 adapter will allow the $350 card im getting to work off my m.2 slot. The gpu is getting a full x16 slot

[sharp oasis]

ahhk

k

[cyan crescent]

The card im getting uses x1 i believe. The card im getting couldve been a usb and displayport thing but isnt

[narrow folio]

PCIE x1 GPU are kinda rare. What card did you get?

[cyan crescent]

Its not a gpu. Htc vive wireless adapter

[narrow folio]

Ah, nice

[cyan crescent]

Now that i know i can use the m.2 slot as a pcie slot, i can get the wireless adapter

[narrow folio]

Vive is one of the few cases where WiGig is used that I know of

the kit is 200 bucks now, a nice investment for some VR freedom

[wanton orchid]

did you load it in OS though ? because bios is almost not using it

[cyan crescent]

The fact that i got video is enough. It means its connecting

[wanton orchid]

and in OS you will be able to show how it's connected so you will have clear view if it is operating as expected or not

it's not, the connection can be downgraded

[cyan crescent]

The m.2 slot is wired to pcie. I have a pcie to m.2 adapter. Should be fine

[wanton orchid]

pcie 3.0 x4 should sufficient for running the GPU correctly, it will just not be performant in game or alike

[cyan crescent]

Im not using a gpu in the slot

[wanton orchid]

I'm talking about your test setup, in bios you almost only checked that it would recognize the card

[cyan crescent]

The bios also has an option to select pcie version for the slot

[narrow folio]

the wigig card will be fine if a GPU booted up with the adaptor

[wanton orchid]

not everytime

booting a gpu put NO LOAD on the pcie connection, it just show that the connection is there

what you want to know is if it is able to operated data

your htc vive card will not just handshake and forget

if the gpu boots fine then it's easy to test

[narrow folio]

how would a GPU show a picture if not through the data line over the PCIE lanes?

[cyan crescent]

Its wired to the cpu via pcie lanes

Its using those lanes regardless

[wanton orchid]

are you trolling me ?
do you know what data is needed to print a static png on a 720p screen ?

[cyan crescent]

I know its a low amount

[wanton orchid]

you could be operating in pcie 2.0 x1 rn

[cyan crescent]

But its doing so over pcie lanes. It needs to handshake to do so

[wanton orchid]

you want to know if it is able to correctly work at least at pcie 3.0 x2

and it's easy to test once it booted like this

any small game should work seemless on this setup if it is correctly working

[narrow folio]

HWinfo should tell the link speed

[wanton orchid]

that's why I say it would be easy to check if in OS

there are plenty of tool and graphic texture transfer test possible

but bios is only showing if the connection is there or not,
it's not really showing it's health/state/capabilities

and htc vive will need data to go through it or it will be bad experience

if it show pcie 3.0 x4 and when launching somewhat needing software it works well, then it's completly validated

[pure karma]

case closed chrome is superior now shush

unless your idleing the startup page there is no scenario i have found its more efficient

[sharp oasis]

Nah

Adblock doesn't work on chrome

Firefox FTW

[pure karma]

it does wdym

[sharp oasis]

Not for youtube

[pure karma]

yea it does lol

[sharp oasis]

Nope

Not where I am

No longer does YouTube wants me to disable it on chome

Firefox is superior bc adblock will forever work fine on it

Besides fuck Google (I cannot say this without a joke else my phone will explode)

(It's a pixel)

[pure karma]

not blocked for me lol

youtube is loosing painfully and its so funny

[sharp oasis]

i still hate chrome

[gilded helm]

Fundamentally it's going to be very hard for Youtube to win on a platform they don't control.

[winged valley]

So I have a 527GB mkv

I'm messing with 7 zip settings but no matter what I try I can't get a compression ratio below 99%

Is it not possible to compress this?

[rotund hamlet]

use an actual video encoder

[winged valley]

You're telling me I have to reencode it?

[rotund hamlet]

also, how the fuck

[rotund hamlet]

yes

[winged valley]

I'm trying to compress the raw source file so I can give it to someone

So reencoding isn't much of an option

[rotund hamlet]

what is the video?

[winged valley]

1440p60 VOD thats like 11 hours long I think

well

okay VOD is the wrong technical term

its a gameplay video

[rotund hamlet]

you can reencode it without losing much quality

do you know what bitrate the video uses?

[winged valley]

I used to know (the vid is like 6 months old)

Uh let me check

Bitrate fluctuates a lot, Roughly 60Mb/s Low and 200Mb/s High

And no those numbers aren't wrong

[rotund hamlet]

yeah that definitely can be compressed better without losing much quality

60Mb/s is the bitrate I use for 4k60

[winged valley]

Alright then

Does that explain why 7zip wont compress it?

[rotund hamlet]

lossless and lossy compression are different

7zip, like all zip programs, does lossless compression without knowledge of what the data represents

video encoding uses lossy compression to say things like "this patch here is all basically the same shade of blue"

[winged valley]

Hypothetically what is stopping me from writing like a simple compression/decompression program for this file that just looks for like idk a set of 500 different patterns in the raw file and just reduces them to smaller and smaller strings

Keep in mind I know nothing about compression theory so i'm sure there's a million reasons why that wouldn't work

[rotund hamlet]

the first reason would be that you're reinventing compression

try reencoding it to about 25 Mbps with the AV1 codec

youtube's reccommended bitrate for uploading H.264 is 24 Mbps, so going a little higher and using a better codec should mean you get much better compression at extremely minimal visual difference

assuming your friend can decode AV1

if not, H.265

[winged valley]

Not for YT

Its already encoded in H256 natively

Also YT really doesn't like it for some reason but that's another story for another time

[sharp oasis]

huh?

[winged valley]

meaning I recorded it in hevc

[sharp oasis]

u mean h.265 lol

sorry lol

[winged valley]

Ah yes

Because nobody knows what I mean when I say H265 or HEVC

[sharp oasis]

I knew what you meant by HEVC

[languid gulch]

i thought 16gb was the new minimum stick size for ddr5

[dire igloo]

Nope you can get 8GB sticks

It's just that with the speeds you want (6000+), there's no more 8GB sticks

[languid gulch]

yea just saw dell selling stuff with 8gb sticks & was confuzzled

[sharp oasis]

Hmm yes

My freidn is now helping me render a meme in 128k

[twin dew]

And because how PCIe works, if you can get the amount of connectivity to get picture, it will work with higher usage too.
And as the PCIe slot power input in the adapter isn't that high, wouldn't suggest trying to run GPU at full tilt when you don't know how much it tries to pull from the PCIe slot.
But just calculated and the the power draw with compliant GPU should be max 5.5A, maybe up to 6.0A.

[narrow folio]

All PCI express cards may consume up to 3 A at +3.3 V (9.9 W). The amount of +12 V and total power they may consume depends on the type of card:[26]: 35–36 [27]

×1 cards are limited to 0.5 A at +12 V (6 W) and 10 W combined.
×4 and wider cards are limited to 2.1 A at +12 V (25 W) and 25 W combined.
A full-sized ×1 card may draw up to the 25 W limits after initialization and software configuration as a "high power device".
A full-sized ×16 graphics card[22] may draw up to 5.5 A at +12 V (66 W) and 75 W combined after initialization and software configuration as a "high power device".

quote from a Google hit...

[twin dew]

And this would have been 16x card on 4x slot, with power provided by floppy connector.
So that is the reason I didn't recommend actual GPU load.

As it could easily have tried to draw that 5.5A or more without care about the smaller slot.
Against the spec.

[narrow folio]

the 16x card will only be threatened as 4x, but the floppy connector should be able to supply 75W

[narrow folio]

I think there are protection mechanisms at work here, there are often 16x slots which are only 4x electrically and 16x cards work just fine

[twin dew]

Yes, most probably would have worked fine, just didn't see need to take any chance.

But if someone has actual known cases of PCIe link working at basic usage, and failing at high bandwidth usage, then tell me.

[twin dew]

But anyways, based on later things, there might never have been any break-ins, and just person with mental disorders living above me.
Cops had to pick him up last night.

And his current door seems to be original, with no physical damage and without any reinforcements etc.

[narrow folio]

bad thing when the brain starts to imagine things

[narrow folio]

I can't believe the length some people go to post a 'i need help, game sux, new patch has broken stuff, devs are stupid' threads and then fail to answer basic questions

[twin dew]

Yup...

And the amount of completely useless "bug" reports on the QA site, with absolutely no data about anything, just incoherent ramble.

[narrow folio]

but my hope is that those are just the 1-3% of the gaussian distribution that are super unhappy AND STILL motivated enough to post about it.
So most players are either happy, just don't care about cosmetic bugs or if they experience problems are able to formulate them into understandable sentences and answer questions

I believe that over 80% of the players never write anything here or elsewhere. maybe a like on YouTube for a dev video is their most interaction with the community?

[twin dew]

Another idiot on #satisfactory

[narrow folio]

honestly I stopped looking at #satisfactory a while ago as there often is either too much going on to follow while on mobile or some dumbass is throwing a tantrum...

[twin dew]

No replies since.

[narrow folio]

Wow, nice...

[edgy hazel]

complete with the incest pfp

beautiful

[twin dew]

Yesterday IIRC someone complained that they had bad FPS in main menu with Foliage Distance set to max.
And just couldn't accept that the settings affect the main menu and too high Foliage Distance can cause issues in Main menu, as it causes inside the game in specific areas.

Ah, sorry, not bad FPS but stutters.

Like you get with too high foliage distance in NF etc. foliage heavy areas.
And IIRC the current Main Menu save is in Swamp?

[narrow folio]

maybe an option to set a static main menu could help. But yeah

[twin dew]

Well, if they get the stutters in the main menu, they will get them ingame too.

So the solution would have been to lower the foliage distance.
But just couldn't understand that.

[narrow folio]

maybe ingame is expected

[twin dew]

Even when I explained that the Main Menu is full blown save being run with part of the map loaded...

[narrow folio]

'I paid for the whole settings, I'm going to use em!'🤣

[warped spade]

Or some kind of pre-recorded video that's perfectly looping, valorant has sth similar

[twin dew]

When devs have specifically said that the max foliage is not meant to be runnable, but to be for screenshots.

[twin dew]

Helps in tweaking video settings, as you see the FPS effect right away.

And what the setting changes too.

[warped spade]

Ik just throwing an idea

[narrow folio]

As you typically are only a few seconds in the main menu I totally understand that the Devs don't care about the performance as you have to deal with the same fps in-game anyway.

[twin dew]

And much less drive usage.

[narrow folio]

I'm looking at the new OLED steam deck and trying to find reasons not to buy one

[twin dew]

AMD inhouse OC team overclocked 7995WX to almost 1000W power usage with specialist air cooler, and took Cinebench R15, R20 and R23 multicore world records.
4790, 4815 and 4875MHz All-Cores newest to oldest CineBench.

[narrow folio]

4875MHz all core with 96 cores is brutal

And all that with air cooling... How about LN2?

[twin dew]

Planning to do LN2 next if they can.

[narrow folio]

Niiice

the new record is way higher than the old one. Impressive

[twin dew]

And some of the previous ones are with dual-socket Zen 4 EPYCs with up to 400W TDP per socket, with 96 cores each.

[wide void]

whatever happened to prommies, I don't think I've seen a single 'refrigerated' cooler for decades now..

[twin dew]

So same core arch, with 800W to play with, and double the cores.
And still the Threadripper OC was significantly higher.

[twin dew]

Intel just killed official TEC subambient cooler program.
Chillers have been used by Intel in previous demos.
And those do exist if you absolutely want one, price is just very high.

[wide void]

I used to run this on my games rig, would sit at -30 or so at desktop for months at a time

[dusk rivet]

***-***68C?

[wide void]

yes

[dusk rivet]

that’s insane

[wide void]

-30C at desktop

[dusk rivet]

30c would be nice, let alone -30c

[wide void]

obviously nothing like as cold as LN2, or even dry ice, but it will sit in low minus numbers under load for weeks with zero faff

was a great bit of kit, just not really seen them around lately

[twin dew]

Because one powerful enough for current CPUs costs over 500e and uses hundreds of watts of power.

[pure karma]

3am thoughts moment

[dusk rivet]

refrigerators increase ambient temp too don’t they?

[twin dew]

The electrical power has to go somewhere always.
So yes. Any power anything uses gets converted into heat in the end.

So your heat load will be the heat load of the computer, + the power usage of the chiller.

[narrow folio]

active cooling with a chiller or peltier elements is rather inefficient, but great effect

[wide void]

thats true enough, CPU power use was a lot lower back then

still single core

[twin dew]

Real chiller is just specialist compressor like in AC units or fridges etc.

[wide void]

yeah, exactly that

[twin dew]

Peltier for 300W load would need about 900W of electricity.

[dusk rivet]

single core sounds horrible

[twin dew]

And then you would need to cool the peltier that is now emitting 1200W of heat.

[wide void]

was awesome at the time, lol

[dusk rivet]

awesome compared to what? 0 core cpu’s?

[wide void]

its better than not having it, yes

big part of benchmarking back then was cutting out extra processes as Everything was hitting on your frame rate

much less of a thing now, though windows is Staggeringly bloated comparitively

[wanton orchid]

the PCIe link is changing state and speed
so I was saying it would be worth poking at it and check it can achieve PCIe 3.0 x2 at least
I never talked about hard loading the gpu, anyway gpu loading software does not load the PCIe link that much as it means the gpu is waiting data to be transfered

[twin dew]

Ok, my bad.

[wanton orchid]

things like obs use PCIe transfer quite a lot

for cpu rendering

[narrow folio]

Yes, peltiers are way more inefficient than compressor cooler.
compressors still use extra energy that has to be dissipated

[twin dew]

Point was that real compressor isn't that inefficient.
But yes, still more power usage.

Peltiers are just horrible.

[wide void]

aye

[narrow folio]

I remember water cooling blocks with stacked peltiers for P3/4, way to burn some energy

[twin dew]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1174548958488559636
When I asked to try a new save to see if there are any enemies...

But now being reasonable.

[sand saddle]

Lmao my save from update 2 is still working

Nvm, update 1 lmao

Been through it all

Still haven't reached nuclear

[narrow folio]

Homer would tell you that it's nucular😁

[night girder]

wtf, that's so cool 🤣

So now I was wondering, can a temperature that is negative, effect the PC performance negatively.

[dire igloo]

Condensation

[night girder]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolytic_capacitor#Reliability_and_length_of_life

Not really condensation it seems. It seems the capacitator material.

"Additionally, low temperature is a problem for most aluminum capacitors: for most types, capacitance falls off rapidly below room temperature while dissipation factor can be ten times higher at −25 °C than at 25 °C. "

[night girder]

And I worded it poorly. You are right. But if you can handle condensation what other problems might arrive.

I mean we know it's a problem in space for our hardware.

[narrow folio]

maybe a bit far fetched, but because they store an electric charge measured in coulomb?

nah, forget that.
condensatus lat. is condensed or to compact or concentrated

[charred pewter]

anyone actually got a piece of hardware they actually are wanting to buy, but are holding off till next week in the hopes theres a good sale for it ?

im like, i got nothing i 'want' to buy, so basically i dont know what to watch just in case something is good to buy !

like, cant pass up a great deal on something ... right ?!?? 😄

i mean i could watch out for a deal on a 4090, but i know that wont happen LOL

heck, even a good deal on a 4080 wont happen........

well, the whole 'black friday' thing is gotten pretty universal

not so much the ACTUAL holiday .... cause who cares about that USA only holiday 😉

[twin dew]

Any kind of US retailer thought up marketing day will.

Singles day and Cyber Monday etc. as the newer ones I know of.

[charred pewter]

lol right... xmas isnt about xmas anymore, its about selling shit for 3 months (starting before halloween)

Small Business Saturday i think it is? but yeah, Cyber Monday

[twin dew]

Mothers day might have started for that too, Fathers day certainly did.

[charred pewter]

yeah, mothers day is pretty big around here

memorial day, labor day ... like what were those even for before they just made them into marketing days

well if they didnt DO them, then people would just buy things generally near normal msrp ... instead of wait for those 'big sale days'

if no one is expecting sales, people will end up buying things for asking price

but is that really a bad thing if the margins are the same?

burdened with making less, but making the same amount of revenue overall

yup, so much throw away culture here

tv goes bad in a year? throw it out, buy another

cause there is no 'just fix it' anymore ...

im terrible with holding onto things using them until they flat out have zero use anymore at all .... waiting till im hobbling it along with duct tape and rubber bands

my old tv started 'white ghosting' around the outter edges, seriously, huge fuzzy white glow all around coming inward by about 4 inches .... and then if anything stayed on the screen for too long, the pixels would just kinda ghost those images (like menus, or buttons) ....

i still HAVE the tv, in its box ... because it still kinda is useful cause you CAN still see the image in it 😄

lol

230347 milimeters

🦐

wtf

since when is discord prioritizing "shrimp" when typing "shr" ... it used to just be "shrug" was first !

seriously wtf discord

[pure karma]

🦞

sea food adventure time lol

[charred pewter]

🐳

i guess so ?

i sit back a ways could never see one if it did

computer monitors on the other hand ... seriously annoying to have even 'one' dead pixel

[wide void]

yeah, biggest issue at the time was condensation, used to go through 2 large pots of Vaseline during the build/setup just to keep everything sealed

[twin dew]

The dead pixel limits in the warranty are still absolutely insane.
But the processes are now so reliable that the panels don't actually have faults most of the time.

[wide void]

I never really cared about longevity of components as back then I was rebuilding every few months anyway... lol

[charred pewter]

dead pixel roulette

there was a monitor i had once, where if i shifted to the side in my seat, i would see it, but if i sat center, it would go away ... was kinda weird

this is so funny ....... my macbookpro ... ive got its activity monitor up, as well as like 40 apps all runing at once (doing a stress test of 10 day uptime). The funny part is, the activity monitor shows overall higher CPU use when the display has 'gone to sleep' and its locked. but when i bump the pad and sign in back to desktop (with all apps running), the cpu use drops down to almost nill.

i was wondering 'why is the laptop kinda warm when its basically sleeping' ... LOL

its not actually IN sleep mode... its just in 'display off' mode/lockscreen

what i THINK is happening ....... is that the "Screen Saver" (which is a highly graphical waving of streaks and lines) is coming ON even though the "Display is in Sleep mode" ...... so its churning on all that graphical whatnots even if its not displaying it

like, its apparently not smart enough to turn OFF the screen saver, when the display goes to sleep ! LOLOL

[jagged snow]

Screen saver is 10y out of fashion

[charred pewter]

i used to like my computers going into "matrix screen saver" when im not using the computer directly ... so all my monitors are just pouring green symbols

then if i didnt use the computer for like 3 hours straight, it would sleep the monitor

but apparently that old habit doesnt work so well as its still running the screensaver even when the display goes to sleep too 😄

soooo gonna just flip this to sleep the display at 10 minutes, and no more screen saver cool wavey undulating streaks of visual frill

wtf, there is no "None" choice in the Screensaver settings anymore ???? fff Apple what you doin

but thing is ... the screensaver is clearly eating more power to be on LOL

thats the thing, im trying to find out how to turn it off, but there is no "None" choice anymore for screensaver lol

haha

fuck linux...

win11 isnt that bad... honestly

ever since win11's start menu was pure ass... i stopped even opening it and now never use it... so i now no longer miss how useful the win10 tile based start menu was

and win11 taskbar seems the same to me as win10 ... maybe slight changes in icons ? but ... seems the same ??

pinned crap on left, tiny icon stuff on right ...

hmm, maybe how i use it i didnt notice what changed on it ...

i was oblivious!!! LOL

my win11 task bar is not all crammed into the center like that

[dire igloo]

Seems to be, yes

The smaller the stuff you want to study, the larger you have to make the machinery

No. Future Circular Collider

[twin dew]

And now now this idiot #1174548958488559636 message posted the same to QA site.
And just cannot send the save to me for checking...

[dusk rivet]

in search for “new physics”

LHC found the higgs boson so they’re like “well, what if we made a bigger one?”

[charred pewter]

finally found where to turn off screensaver .... it was moved from the "Screensaver" preferences, over into "Lock Screen" 🤦🍎

a 6s and 8+

both free and dont have service 😄

glorified iPod Touches

i use one in sandbox user mode for testing our Apple Pay... the other i use as my authentication device with those 2factor code apps n shit

and also for my DJI Drone, since the drone app doesnt work anymore on my android phone

we are adding Google Pay soon

and Samsung Pay, and Venmo ... guh

also Amazon Pay ffffs

[twin dew]

Case insides at 12C...
Had window open.

[charred pewter]

is it ? LOL

[twin dew]

Inside your home?

[charred pewter]

we are expected to get to 70 pompous bastard units today.

hot for mid nov 😦

126 F ... thats normal

i THINK phoenix finally reached the 70s this week? my father was telling me its been hot

no i dont miss it at all

[twin dew]

Need to see later how much better stress test scores I can get between 23C case intake temperature vs. 0C case intake temperature.

[night girder]

my gpu is 50-60 while gaming 💕

I barely get it above 60 tbh. While my previous one I couldn't get below 60 🤣

[charred pewter]

mine is 80 C when gaming =p ... its a hot bastard, and no amount of extra case flow or even extra fans blowing straight on it helps (well, depending on the game, that is)

[night girder]

I think it's the case. It's really doing a good job.

[charred pewter]

if i turn off all the case fans, it reaches 83 and then throttles itself lol

i use afterburner graphs and rivatuner ss

[night girder]

The only thing I notice is that there is quiet a bit of whinecoil. But I cannot complain for the price of the GPU

I rather have whinecoil than pay twice as much for a GPU. + Headset on all the time. If not Headset on. Then I am blasting metal or some other music in my room.

[charred pewter]

add some audio mat to the inside of your case cover, it might soak some of that noise without affecting airflow

was playing Halo with my brother ... and my gpu wasnt even reaching a point to where it turned on its own fans .....

even as a remaster, with full details on... system was like 'uh, you playing something?'

😄

[night girder]

it's only a tiny bit annoying when you hear it. But many solutions. Aka. Music and headset.

but way higher than my 1080

[charred pewter]

honestly ive not turned on RT in anything because in gameplay i dont notice a difference, and the performance loss is NOT worth it

lol ... discord lag weee !

[indigo marsh]

so i just got done setting up my new sound system for my computer, required moving my monitor and using a longer hdmi cable. ever since then, i have the problem of getting both the bios splash screen to show, as well as windows recovery, but as soon as the computer boots into windows, i get no signal. what might be causing this problem? currently have my pc closer to the new setup so i can use the shorter cable and it works again. but i cant leave the pc where it is

[twin dew]

HDMI cable that can do the BIOS/recovery resolution, but not the full desktop one.

So you need better one or to drop desktop refresh rate and/or resolution.

[charred pewter]

I had that problem with my brand new monitor on my older rig ... I had to update the BIOS so that it understood hdmi 2.1 or something like that

repros ?

naw, not dumb at all

both my HTPC is using a logitech z5500, and my game rig is on a logitech uhhhh whats the model number ...

Z905 for my game rig

[twin dew]

How long is the nonworking long cable?

[charred pewter]

the Z905 is a more basic setup, but supports multiple inputs and sounds decent enough to my picky-as-fuck ears

[indigo marsh]

heres my new sound system btw, get jealous.

[charred pewter]

lol

[indigo marsh]

25 ft, directional

[charred pewter]

i cant even put my Z5500 beyond 40% its too fricken loud

[twin dew]

So active? Or just marketing?
And what resolution, refresh rate and bit-depth?

For the monitor.

[charred pewter]

25ft hdmi ?? is it the right spec, 2.1 ...

[indigo marsh]

not sure, been in a closit for a while

[twin dew]

And is it Standard Speed HDMI, High-Speed HDMI, Premium High-Speed HDMI or Ultra High Speed HDMI?

For the cable.

[twin dew]

And what resolution, refresh rate and bit-depth for the monitor in Windows?

[indigo marsh]

its a 4k tv i have the resolution set to 1080 30fps

i like the opening music for starsector playing on it

[twin dew]

So it is probably being detected as new monitor with the other cable and trying to run at the 4k.
And it is only Standard Speed or High-Speed cable.
Or just crap that isn't actually active and doesn't fill the standards.

For that distance, you would want Premium High-Speed HDMI cable that is active, so with internal amplifiers at both ends of the cable.

[indigo marsh]

yes, it should have those

thats why it specifies 1 side to source, the other to tv

[twin dew]

High-Speed should work up to 4K@30Hz@8bit, if it actually can do that and isn't fake.

[twin dew]

Yes, but some are fakes and don't actually contain them.

And 25 feet, only about 7.5m, is about the max good quality high-speed HDMI cable can do passive.
10m if you are lucky.

But that kind of problem is bad cable that cannot actually support the bandwidth needed for the resolution, refresh, bitdepth combo.

[twin dew]

So compatibility problem in the old firmware?
Not following spec and causing the newer device to barf up or the other way.
The badly coded thing barfing up on data it couldn't interpret, even when if it had followed standards it would have known to not even try for the previously reserved section.

[charred pewter]

I misread his original message... didnt read this part right: "but as soon as the computer boots into windows, i get no signal." ...

i had the opposite issue... bios wouldnt show up, only windows

turned out it was a bios firmware update that fixed it

[twin dew]

Ah, that is because some monitors don't support low resolutions anymore, and barf up.
And BIOSes and boot screens still often use them.
The BIOS update changed what resolution the BIOS UI uses.

[charred pewter]

yup... the new monitor was like '2.1 or bust' ...

i can fish up the article ... gimmie a sec

[twin dew]

Windows Safe Mode still uses 640x480 resolution IIRC.
And some monitors just don't support it anymore.

Or possibly 1024x768 now?

[charred pewter]

oh, geez ... total mindfrag ... this was all about DISPLAYPORT 2.0/2.1 and the bios ... 🤦 not hdmi

[twin dew]

For that feature, doesn't matter what type of cabling you use.
Because the Monitor firmware has been written badly and it just doesn't support the old default resolutions.

So now MB firmwares etc. are coded to output Full-HD if possible.

And the BIOS update you did to solve the issue made that change.

DisplayPort.

[dire igloo]

my favorite prank with setups like those: turn up the volume while no audio is playing, watch chaos unfold

[indigo marsh]

lowering resolution didnt help 😦

[night girder]

my neighbours would kill me.

[twin dew]

You might have the GPU driver set to do GPU scaling.
So the GPU will be outputting monitor native no-matter what resolution you set.

Might even be default, because that usually gives better performance, stability and image quality compared to monitor doing the scaling,.

And isn't that 40' cable?

[indigo marsh]

goes to show how bad i am at eyeballing and guessing length

but it should do 1080 30fps... maby the cable went bad... thx for the help

[twin dew]

Should in theory do 4k@30Hz.

[indigo marsh]

when this becomes an actual product and not just a joke

dont forget the razor toaster

got to have a high tech kitchen

[night girder]

recycling heat/power for other purposes 👍

[night girder]

probably 5K

[crystal hound]

Some people would actually buy it, I bet!

Wasn't there also a Razer Covid mask or something?

[crystal hound]

Ah yes, Razer Zephyr. 🤣

"Only" 110 bucks and 35 for 10 filters lol

Still thought it was a joke, but apparently you were actually able to buy it

[twin dew]

Potato Gun of the WW2 British Navy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holman_Projector

[indigo marsh]

i can . . .

but i wont

[charred pewter]

?

[twin dew]

Some few mice have sideways scroll by tilting the scroll wheel.

[charred pewter]

hold shift key with scroll wheel does horizontal scrolling ?

[twin dew]

Was nice, but so rare that not worth it trying to get one.

[charred pewter]

ah, yeah

im just used to holding shift if i actually need it

i DO prefer mice that let you click the middle button by pushing sideways on the scroll wheel ... instead of trying to mash the wheel straight down (and often times scroll accidently at the same time)

[twin dew]

Had it in one mouse long ago.
Was nice but couldn't find mouse with that when I had to replace it that filled more important things.

[charred pewter]

my older rev razer deathadder let you push sideways on the wheel to do the middle click ... the new rev of it doesnt do that very well 😦

the old rev didnt actually have it engineered in, it was just a side effect of how sensative the middle click was by pushing sideways on the wheel 😄

[jagged snow]

I had a mouse that did left/right tilt and straight down press

The side to side tilt could be used for scrolling sideways, it was pretty usefull sometimes

[charred pewter]

useful in games too, a couple extra actions to map

thumb buttons and me dont mix too well ... cause im a 'claw grip' mouser :/

[jagged snow]

I tried that, but it really didn't work for fps games because I'd accidentally scroll when I tried to use the tilt

[charred pewter]

oops

[jagged snow]

So now I just use the side buttons on my new mouse

This mouse also had side buttons, so it gave me two extra bindings

I've been extremely pleased with my g403 hero

If I turn off the rgb its understated design lets it look not like an over the top gaming mouse

If I were to buy an mmo mouse I would go with evga

[charred pewter]

😄 yeah ... rgb ... you know cant tell you how many games would randomly crash on me cause the razer software color changing based on game action whatnots

it put me over the edge when it would do that in HITMAN ... a game where you are trying to do a very long level without any saves or checkpoints

CRASH ... so that was the end of that, disabled all that crap and never tried it again in any other game

yes

[jagged snow]

That's one of my biggest things I love about my logi mouse, it has an internal profile that let me set it up with the software once and then uninstall it.

Oh really?

[twin dew]

That has been on and off for Razer, if they bother including on-board memory or not.

[indigo marsh]

have you seen the original macintosh mouse? just 1 button

[dire igloo]

Reminds me of the Xerox scanners being set to do pattern matching by default.

Some official documents were digitalized and suddenly were Bb meters long instead of 86m

[twin dew]

Not pattern matching, too aggressive compression with specific compression format that does block compression and uses the same block if they are "close enough".

Takes block of X*Y pixels, saves it with simple compression.
And then reuses the same compressed block if it is "close enough" to the other block, instead of adding another compressed block.

So in the end you have library of blocks, and then the "document" is just links to the blocks in the right order.

Gave nice and small files, and was completely unsuitable to being the default.

Even at "lesser" compression factor.

[dire igloo]

which is a more specific way of saying "pattern matching"

[twin dew]

Ok, in a way.

[dusk rivet]

my favorite animal, the elusive java

[stray badger]

There is probably some other language named after an animal. If not, time to make one

[dusk rivet]

make “axolotl” a thing

[jagged snow]

Rust... sorta

[narrow folio]

zrna.org/akso

axolotl is a synth platform that you can program

[twin dew]

"Why are my U8 graphics completely failing?!"
Also I run the game in Windows VM inside Parallers, on ARM Mac, and didn't mention that originally!

Hmm... What MIGHT possibly be the reason why one of the first ever released UE 5.2 games fails horribly?

And another complaining to CSS devs that the version of Visual C++ 2015-2022 the UE 5.2 installs isn't liked by some EasyAntiCheat version...
And that version was already released over 6 months ago, and has the code signed with the signatures MS used for their own code...

[pure karma]

its also a very slow game development group

[twin dew]

Well, the person was mostly talking gibberish, because of minimal IT skills, but that was what it boiled down.

🛌

[narrow folio]

Good night

[charred pewter]

so... when my macbookpro goes into "Display Sleep" mode (machine is idle, im not using it) ... the "WindowServer" and "kernal_task" processes eat 63% and 34% CPU (which is not really 97% total cpu, but more like 5%, apple is weird). When I WAKE the laptop and use it, those two processes drop to 26% and 12% respectively... (which makes the system cpu load down to like 2.4%)

so, my takeaway here is: never let the fucking thing sleep anything and i will save power and it will run cooler

[jagged snow]

I'm really not familiar enough with macos to make many recommendations for issues like that

[charred pewter]

ventura (macoass13) is the first one thats done that for me ...

guessing its a bug ........

cause if i let it just idle (not touch it) for a half hour even... i never see the processes rise like that

but right at 10 minutes if i let it do display sleep ... they rise, then drop the moment i wake display and login again

at first i thought it was the screensaver (obviously, its eating power to generate the fancy frills) ... but nope, turned that all off

[sharp oasis]

@jagged snow Odd question. SHould you pair a 12600K with a 7900XTX

[main hearth]

Dose anyone easl have this problem satisfactory has this odd thing going on my map flickers sometimes in the back round

[jagged snow]

Wrong channel

[jagged snow]

Depends on the workload/res

[sharp oasis]

say 1440p and gaming/ Game deveopment

[jagged snow]

Personal preference, but I'd shift some money to the cpu

[sharp oasis]

Thats kinda what i said to the dude

Hilariously. Apparently I need a complete benchmark to prove Why a 12600k is kinda weak for a 7900xtx lol

im going to PCMR discord fuck BAPC

[gilded helm]

Satisfactory on sale on Steam, yay! One step closer to dumping EGS.

[charred pewter]

you still in EGS?

i gave up on that game awhile ago

[gilded helm]

I haven't even touched a free game from there in a long time. One by one I'm buying the few games I paid for in Steam.

[charred pewter]

hehe

EGS = Empyrion Galactic Survival ... to me ... its what i used long before Epic store came along

[gilded helm]

I've had more bad experiences in my short stint with EGS than my entire lifetime of using Steam.

[charred pewter]

ive not had bad experiences with epic store..... i just dont like it because ive got years and friends on steam

so epic is my 'crap grounds' where i just nab free games only, and never give them a dime

buy more copies of satis on steam!

rowr

[gilded helm]

I'm probably finished with Witcher 3 soon, then I'm actually going to check out the 1.0 release of KeeperFX

[charred pewter]

shif ???

i need a record player 😦

[pure karma]

im the very oposite i got so bored that instead of looking up music everytime i just hooked up the real life radio channels to my games so if i want i can lisen to real radio in most of them

some games its hit or miss some it works really well

the only downside to this is you then need to also lisen to the real radio ads

its one of thoes small things that are slowly poking around in a few games thats a really cool feature

[sharp oasis]

Radio ads are tolerable for me

[pure karma]

same as long as there not super repeditive

[sharp oasis]

Yeah

I hate online ads

They can burn in hell

[pure karma]

its also why i have 3 difrent channels setup so worst case just change lol

some games have it super customizable too which is nice

[mystic current]

@pure karma what type of game are u working on? and what is the engine you use?

[pure karma]

im not working on a game im playing one lol

[sharp oasis]

Lol

[mystic current]

ah lmao

i understood the message wrong then srry xd

[pure karma]

id love to make games but i just dont really feel like spending the time cuz the few times i do i nerver finish the projects

[cyan crescent]

I now have the vive wireless adapter on order

[sharp oasis]

Hot my phone case

Is beefy

[dusk rivet]

What headset do you have?

[dusk rivet]

what's wrong with vive

[dusk rivet]

why must the h6 flow only come with 1 3.5in bay

i'm tryna have 2 4tb drives in raid 1 and it goes and says "only 1 3.5in bay"

[narrow folio]

use a board that can take three m.2 slots and use two 4TB SSD?

or 2.5 sata ssd?

[pure karma]

nzxt is not HDD frendly H9 only has 2 H5 has 0

[dusk rivet]

you know how expensive 4tb ssd's are?

[pure karma]

so your lucky for even having 1

[dusk rivet]

i have all of 0

i'm planning on having one as my game drive

the 2 4tb hdd's are just storage for photos and backups and stuff

i'm just a little sad i can't do 2 hdd's and have em in raid 1

[narrow folio]

eye candy cases and 3.5 drives dont mix really well

[dusk rivet]

the motherboard even has 4 6gb/s sata ports

[pure karma]

who said you need bays

[dusk rivet]

i was very much tempted to just have 1 drive dangle

they make rubber cases for hdd's

[narrow folio]

a dangling ssd will work fine, but a spinning disk? hm...

[dusk rivet]

even if it's entirely useless, 8usd for some peace of mind helps

ok i can get 2.5inch 4tb hdd

they're 108usd per, instead of 72usd per, but that's prolly a better idea

i can just do one of each

[narrow folio]

wanted to order the oled steam deck today. but could not get the order to complete because of errors, timeouts, logouts... who would have guessed that SOME ppl want the new shiny

[dusk rivet]

the pc i plan to build this summer,
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/irohlikestea/saved/yKcJwP

[sharp oasis]

Looks like AM4 is getting mor. X3D cpus

[pure karma]

probably cuz AM5 starting price is still 300+

and at the end of the day AM4 is still good enough

[stray badger]

feels oddly expensive

[pure karma]

everything is expensive

[stray badger]

over 2000 is a lot for a 7700x3d and 7900xt

[pure karma]

payed 3600$ for myn in the end 600$ of that was shipping

[stray badger]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/P8WXfy

1070ti is a temporary, i just figure another $500 for a 7800xt sometime later

[pure karma]

i feel like 1200$ is quite a bit for a 12700k and 3060 config even for having ddr5

also idk what im doing lol i suck at making configs

but atleast im trying

i dont need a new pc i just got one but i got distracted

how hard would a case swap be....

i was honestly considering case swapping my R11 and turning it into a portable micro ATX build or something

to be honest to only reasson im hesistant is cuz the R11 case has 15 difrent USB ports which is way better than the like 5 on my H9 lol

well it has 15 usb a ports

12 rear usb a ports 3 front usb a ports 1 rear usb c port and 1 front usb c port is the literal USB dream

[maiden coyote]

that's alot of usb

[stray badger]

both the 12700k and 3060 are waaay overpriced

[edgy hazel]

A 3060 for 400$

That shit better comes in gold

[gilded helm]

I don't know how Canada ruples work, but that seems suspect.

[rotund hamlet]

it's roughly .75 USD

.73 today oof

[sharp oasis]

Hmm yes how crazy can I be with my phone...

YES

[dire igloo]

u got ADHD by any chance?

[twin dew]

Same idiot has been giving bad technical advice on the QA site for long time:

Never made single post him/herself.

[dire igloo]

How does he know that SF doesn't work beyond 32GB VRAM?

I struggled to find data on X3D CPUs, idek if I got any benchmark data beyond what you guys said

[twin dew]

Another complete WTF:

I have no idea where he got that for standard GPU hung error...

He keeps suggesting weird INI edits to almost anything.

[cobalt ivy]

can i play satisfactory on steam with a ryzen 7 processor

[twin dew]

Factorio? Probably?

[cobalt ivy]

was refering to satisfactory on steam

[twin dew]

And this is Off-Topic channel.

But yes.

[cobalt ivy]

cause it says i need this thing i5-3570 3.4 GHz 4 Core so i was wandering is if ryzen 7 was enough or not

im good at games not computor parts

[twin dew]

The specific pin about us being unhelpful to Satisfactory questions is on the #off-topic-general , but this is also Off-topic channel and the Topic up top states that Satisfactory doesn't belong to this channel.

What Ryzen?
Because Ryzen 7 is marketing, not model.

But all Ryzens are much newer than 3th gen Intel Core.

[cobalt ivy]

i was refered here by someone in main chat saying this was aplace to find out if my parts can handle this game i think thats what they meant atleast

[cobalt ivy]

so its better so it can?

[twin dew]

Yes.

[cobalt ivy]

ok

i ask cause many years ago i played pvz gw2 and got it for my friend to play aswell thing was my friend old laptop did not have a good enough graphics card to play it so i wasted my money cause i bought it for them so i intend not to make a similar mistake again

tysm for help

[dire igloo]

Ah yes, threeth gen

[twin dew]

Sorry.

[dire igloo]

We know a lot about the parts and little about satisfactory, main chat is the other way around

[dire igloo]

"Ryzen 7" is not quite as vague as "Intel core i7" but it gets close.

You can land anywhere between Ryzen 7 1700 and Ryzen 7 7800X3D.
Either of those clears the minimum spec, just trying to give some clarity

[twin dew]

And even goes below the 1700 on the mobile CPU side.

For performance, but still enough.

[dire igloo]

Yup, forgot about those

[dusk rivet]

i hate when prebuilt makers and laptop companies just say “super fast i7 processor”

[woeful saffron]

i would rather they just list the generation

[dire igloo]

"high performance latest technology Intel 13th gen CPU"

[twin dew]

That is the whole point, to sell old crap.
And same in turn why the laptop OEMs want "new" CPU and GPU models each year.
So they can then also seem to have "new, better" part, when it is just rebrand.

And reason for the new AMD mobile CPU numbering system.
Where the first number just means year.
But that fills the wants of the OEMs and still allows for person who knows to look at the third number to see the actual generation.

First is just year, second is segment (3, 5, 7, 9), third is the CPU core generation.

[woeful saffron]

yeah, they just try to make money off non-nerds

[wanton orchid]

what the actual hell ???
can people stop being so creative about their fake knowledge ?

or they just use scrap-intelligence ™️

[midnight osprey]

hey guys, are there any tests I can perform to ensure my PC is getting enough electricity?

[edgy hazel]

run it at max?

[dusk rivet]

do a benchmark, if the pc shits itself, you have a problem, if it runs fine, you’re good

[midnight osprey]

hmmmm

I have a tablet being charged via one of my USB ports

super slow charging

could be the tablet

[twin dew]

It is the USB port, they don't support usually fast charging output

[edgy hazel]

^^

[twin dew]

USB3 nominal max is 0.9A.
And for USB2 it was only 0.5A.

[midnight osprey]

aaaah

so even my more expensive ones are hopeless, lol

I had no clue about that when buying it

[twin dew]

Some machines have specialist fast charge output ports, often yellow.

That usually can give 2.0A

[midnight osprey]

my monitor has ports too

can apparently charge a macbook

85w and 15w

[twin dew]

But if the port isn't specifically listed as fast charge, they will be only 0.9A.

Or USB-C with PD output support

[midnight osprey]

sorry not so easy to see

my monitor ... is samsung taking the piss out of Apple lovers, lol

never owned a macbook but it's a lovely monitor

[twin dew]

Yes, so USB-C PD output ports where one is 15W max and 85W max.
So first one is probably only 5V output and the other can do higher PD voltages.

[midnight osprey]

and meanwhile, even from my monitor this tablet is still struggling at 12%

this lenovo tab ... barely used since purchased

now I hope it's the cable that the issue

[twin dew]

The other port might work better?
But if the tablet was long without charging and the battery had gone flat, it might be gone.

[midnight osprey]

oooooooh

wow, another thing i have never heard of before

and this is why I come back here everytime if I am struggling technically, lol

[twin dew]

Tablets etc. need to be charger every 3-6 months or that can happen.

[midnight osprey]

lesson learned

[twin dew]

Li-ion batteries fail when discharged too much.
And if you cannot physically remove the battery, it will always be discharging.

[midnight osprey]

oddly I did charge it recently to test it as a macro deck

now it's not showing an icon showing it's charging, lol

maybe time for the bin

[twin dew]

Or try with A -> C cable?

[midnight osprey]

good call

[twin dew]

Much less can go wrong than with C <-> C one.

[midnight osprey]

wtf

it works with an AtoC but not CtoC?

[twin dew]

C<->C is active negotiation etc.

[midnight osprey]

and a pain in the ASCII!

[twin dew]

A->C is very dumb.

[midnight osprey]

indeed

and I was almost dumb too ... almost ended up in the bin, lol

thanks man

[night girder]

I think I am going to replace my iphone 6S

battery is really struggling, can maybe listen to a hour or two music with bluetooth and it's dead.

Sad part is, it's 500GB iphone. Paid 300 euro's for it. Now a new one with that amount of storage is above 1K euro. Fuck that 🤣

[twin dew]

Again with the Factorio talk...

[wide void]

lol, shit, wrong channel!

[night girder]

Update 8 in a nutshell. Powerpoles.

[wide void]

I've only just started a new save again after ~6 months or so off

[night girder]

I really want to.

[wide void]

around when update 6 went live, whenever that was

[night girder]

but not enough changed so far for me to play it again.

It's all minor changes or rehaul of engine which introduced tons of bugs, that they then fixed.

I probably play it when they finally release it with the story.

but I don't see the game released in another year.

Anyone have a clue wth is going on with AI? blog.youtube/inside-youtube/ai-and-music-experiment/

In the Netherlands the goverment wants to ban chatGPT for goverment employees.

So it feels like some part of the world is stepping on the brake

[dusk rivet]

good luck enforcing a ban like that

[night girder]

while the other part of the world is stepping on the gas pedal.

[night girder]

easy trust me 🤣 (worked for the goverment, know how they monitor the resources/laptops).

it's not byod

[dusk rivet]

even just wording the law to get it to apply to exactly what they want would be a struggle

[night girder]

I don't know like I said. One part stepping on a brake. The other part is stepping on the gas pedal.

And all I think is: this is going to blow up in our face.

[dusk rivet]

ai is kinda getting to a point that you can’t deny it’s existence or stop it from becoming more prevalent

[night girder]

Why the fuck do we want shorts, with AI voices of singers?

[twin dew]

And even having the law then in theory allows to fire the few people that do get caught, for using it too blatantly.

[night girder]

I am fine with AI for purposes like: exploring science.

[twin dew]

Often getting rid of such people would be real pain otherwise even if they didn't do their work.

[night girder]

I am not fine with AI for purposes like: 💰

Some of these tools add 0 value to our society is feels.

maybe entertainment reading Maxeek comment 🤣

[dusk rivet]

i mostly use ai to do busywork assigned in school

[night girder]

You looking at it wrong. Goverment employees in the Netherlands work on laptops from the goverment. These are nailed shut so hard.

[dusk rivet]

or like pulling definitions or quotes quicker

ai should be used to help workers do their jobs more efficiently, not eliminate jobs

[night girder]

You cannot even change your background/wallpaper.

So they will just put in scripts preventing from chatGPT of running or they blacklist it. Or they work with whitelist.

[dusk rivet]

blacklist never works that great

way too many ai websites

[night girder]

I hate working for the goverment.

[dusk rivet]

whitelist could work, but then it’s annoying to add new links as an employee

[night girder]

50% of my time I just sat their waiting for someoene to give me rights or do something so trivial I could do it in seconds.

but for security your hands are bound.

you wont hear the difference.

That's the issue with AI. It's already making paitings that people can't see it's fake.

[dusk rivet]

might end up working at lockheed martin

[night girder]

Oh the legal issues that AI will bring. It's going to be juicy.

[dusk rivet]

going into engineering and they love to hire engineers

let’s hope i don’t have to deal with government bureaucracy

[night girder]

It's not about change. It's about protection.

[dusk rivet]

chatgpt is just one of thousands of AI websites

not even the best one

[night girder]

What if someone is able to hack chatGPT and make it produce malicious lines of code and sneak it in real code. Developers use chatGPT to generate code. They copy paste the code and bam.

What if chatGPT has a bug and produces faulty code? We know developers are lazy. Especially if they use chatGPT. You really think they going to fully check the produced code?

and when it comes to politics, there are plenty of videos out on YT that show how biased chatGPT is.

[dire igloo]

Can't wait for zero day exploits in code made by ChatGPT

[night girder]

There is reasons enough to worry about chatGPT, if I was a goverment that is 😄

[dusk rivet]

being hacked will always be a point of issue

you either air gap your computer, or pray you did a good enough job preventing it

[dire igloo]

https://youtu.be/QrSCwxrLrRc

[night girder]

"ChatGPT, you created this bug. Can you find it and fix it? Thank you" 🤣

[dire igloo]

Also, the one thing it's supposed to be (intelligent), it isn't

[night girder]

How dare you!

[dire igloo]

Thing is: if you wrote the code, you have at least a vague understanding of what it does and how it works.
If ChatGPT wrote it, no chance

[twin dew]

It already makes lot of basic mistakes on security front of the code.
Because it is based on stackoverflow etc as whole without any context to the code snippets it bases the output.
Because it is language AI, not programming AI,

[dire igloo]

It literally failed the IQ test

[dusk rivet]

IQ tests are shitty anyways

[night girder]

You preaching to the choir? 🤣

I've been opposed to AI in here from day 1, fighting the fans left and right

[midnight osprey]

@twin dew this usb-c to c not working ... could be over charge prevention?

[dusk rivet]

or the port just isn’t designed to charge

[night girder]

Actually, more of poking the bear

[twin dew]

Most probably just handshake error.

[night girder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlOIHko8ySg

[dusk rivet]

chatgpt did just get a big update that would greatly increase its usecases

[twin dew]

Or you might have needed to turn one end of the cable 180 degrees for the same.
USB-C connection negotiation is complex.

[night girder]

Look a video of an AI playing a game. It had to get the most points as fast as possible.

The AI started to play the game backwards 🤣

while it's doing it's job, or what it's told to do, it's not how it's meant to play the game.

oh yeah and it started to loop a point where there was a bug I think and the point respawn

that why the boat goes in circles around and around

[dusk rivet]

people do that all the time

[night girder]

Do what?

[dusk rivet]

play games in a very unintended manner to get the most points or best times

[night girder]

The whole point of the video is. The guys made an AI. Expected behavior A. Got behavior B. And that behavior is not wrong.

So the lesson is, we humans are dumb. So if we give wrong command to AI, it will have unexpected outcomes.

[dusk rivet]

plus chatgpt isn’t a great example, it basically just tries to sound human

[night girder]

Outcomes we didn't predict. That's the danger of AI.

[dusk rivet]

so use ai for menial tasks and not important tasks that break stuff if they go wrong

[night girder]

You really believe that?

Have you seen how we use AI in such a short period?

[dusk rivet]

i mean it’d be nice if that’s how it was used

[night girder]

It's already in EVERYTHING.

Just read an article unity added AI. Then youtube has it. Google. Discord probably has some AI build in somewhere 😛

Yeah, but those were very linear coded.

the code had a strict path to follow. Nothing autonomous.

No. Like I said, there is proof that chatGPT is biased AF when it comes to politics.

What impact does that have on a society?

[winged valley]

Its bias comes from the fact that its main dataset is reddit

[dusk rivet]

like basically any piece of content related to politics is biased

[night girder]

What impact will AI have on art? (music, movies, ...) Remember there was a strike in hollywood AGAINST AI.

[dire igloo]

Watch the video.
The AI didn't just not complete the IQ test, it failed by spreading misinformation

[night girder]

Actors were afraid of losing there 10000000000 💵 for AI.

[twin dew]

Pretty big difference giving rights of your likeness and voice to be emulated by AI for almost free to the big companies?

[night girder]

I just wonder 😊

[night girder]

Huh? - Don't understand what you trying to say with this?

[edgy hazel]

and writers were afraid to loose their 5💵

[twin dew]

That was the point, the companies tried to include term that the actors likeness and voice was their property to use with AI generation for later productions, after any contract.

[edgy hazel]

poor fucks don't even have health insurance most of the time

[dusk rivet]

very off topic, but i drives in raid 1 don’t have to be identical right?

[twin dew]

No, just will have total capacity based on the smaller.

[night girder]

I am having a hard time feeling pitty for actors with the amount of money they make. I feel pitty for all the rest of the staff that works on movies. The non actors. You know the ones nobody freaking cares about?

[twin dew]

Was not about the big actors, included EVERYONE.

[night girder]

But yeah, my point was not that, my point is, AI is changing our society already as we speak. If you like it or not.

[dusk rivet]

like i can have a seagate 2.5in 4tb hdd and a western digital blue 3.5in 4tb in raid 1 and have it work just fine?

[night girder]

It's going way faster than I expected tbh.

[edgy hazel]

there are a lot of actors that don't get what you expect them to get paid

[twin dew]

Yes, will be limited by the slower one, and by the smaller one if size difference.

Depending on implementation, sometimes reads will work at the speed of the faster one.

[dusk rivet]

don’t really care about speed, supposed to just be used for backups and photos and random stuff

[night girder]

speed is already gutted by raid-1 🤣

[twin dew]

But the RAID controller doesn't care.
It is just block storage.

[dusk rivet]

h6 flow, which is the case i picked, only has 1 3.5in bay

[twin dew]

No?
Same speed of better as single drive.

[dusk rivet]

and the 2.5in 4tb drive is 30usd more expensive per drive

[night girder]

for real? read or write??

[twin dew]

Average latency can be higher if the specific implementation needs to read both drives.

[twin dew]

RAID 1 is just stupid writing the same data to two drives in identical locations.
And then reading both, quick check that both are identical and passing forward.

And the checking can be done at line speed as the data comes

[night girder]

" You're going to Raid 1 for the redundancy, taking a known performance hit. " ... superuser.com/questions/423837/how-much-slower-is-a-raid-1-hard-drive-compared-to-no-raid

[twin dew]

Bad advice on the internet?
No way?

[night girder]

Synthetic benchmarks show varying levels of performance improvements when multiple HDDs or SSDs are used in a RAID 1 setup, compared with single-drive performance. However, some synthetic benchmarks also show a drop in performance for the same comparison.[11][12]

wikipedia.

[midnight osprey]

thanks

[dusk rivet]

not super concerned about speed, just need it to function at least decently

[night girder]

or maybe we both are right and wrong? 😮

[twin dew]

Like I said, depending on exact controller working, it works same as single drive.
Or as two drives and take better result for that specific run.
Or as two drives and take the worse result for that specific run.

So depending the implementation it is about same as single drive, but can be biased towards better or worse.
Because there is variance in the seek times depending on where the read head was when the request was made.

Which is random.

[night girder]

www.phoronix.com/review/btrfs_4way_ssdraid/5 here is the test that wikipedia references too.

[twin dew]

But that isn't RAID-1, it is BTRFS internal raid-analogue

[night girder]

yeah, just one of the images.

[twin dew]

And remember that the RAID-0 results are with multiple drives running side by side.

So only need to compare the single and RAID-1.

So even that Flexible is basically the same, can go into just the variance.

[night girder]

I mean, personally, it's neglectable. But I don't think raid-1 is a garantuee of improvement of performance or decrease. It's not that simple.

[twin dew]

No, like I said, it should perform about the same, with some variability because of the different ways it can actually work.

[night girder]

also, wth is fake raid?

[twin dew]

Chipset software raid.

[night girder]

oof.

[twin dew]

Chipset driver doing most of the work.

Works fine on Windows side.
But can have problems with Linux where SW raid solutions are better.

But in turn those don't work with Windows.

So for Windows, your choices are chipset raid, dynamic disk raid or storage spaces.
All have their good points and bad points.
And then there are some prorietary SW raid solutions for Windows too.

Chipset RAID and Dynamic Disk can be used to boot.
And Chipset RAID mostly works with Linux, Dynamic Disk one doesn't.

Mainly the "Fake RAID" term was olden one to compare to actual HW RAID adapters.
Which in turn are these days to be avoided.

And SW RAID is usually better solution.

[night girder]

microsoft: pay up

[twin dew]

HW Raid, Semi-software (Fake) RAID (mostly chipsets), SW Raid.

Dynamic Disk one is in AFAIK?
And chipset raids work fine.

For Storage Spaces?
Or the old Dynamic Disk one?

Used to be that you needed real HW Raid for good performance.
But now you don't, and using one will fuck up recovery in case of adapter failure.
And will completely fuck up ZFS, BTRFS etc.

[dusk rivet]

windows doesn’t support raid 1?

[twin dew]

Don't have Home version to test, upper ones of Win10 at least do fine.

[dusk rivet]

what about win11?

[twin dew]

And even with Home, you could install Pro trial, configure, install Home.

And the configured RAID will keep working.

[twin dew]

Pro and up at least work fine?

[dusk rivet]

don’t think i have pro

worst case i just dont use raid

little less reliable, but it’d be fine

[twin dew]

And it might be that you had wrong config.
You need two drives already converted to Dynamis Disks to try to make anything but JBOD.

[dusk rivet]

4tb m.2 is gonna be so nice once i build this pc

[twin dew]

And you cannot convert the OS drive to Dynamic IIRC after install?

[dusk rivet]

i’ll prolly cannibalize my current m.2 for the OS

just have it as a boot drive

[twin dew]

No, at least gives the option, not going to try.

Yeah, the Windows RAID doesn't support USB AFAIK?

Just SATA / NVMe.

No, I could add mirror to USB drive on Win 10 Enterprise.

[dusk rivet]

motherboard has 4 sata ports but the case only has 2 2.5in bays and 1 3.5in bay

that’s what i get for picking an nzxt case

[twin dew]

2.5" SSDs can just be slapped anywhere, as they are so light.

[dusk rivet]

plan is to have 1 4tb nvme m.2, 1 2.5in sata 4tb hdd, 1 3.5in sata 4tb hdd, then a 512gb nvme m.2 as a boot drive

[twin dew]

And if you remove the casing, they are even smaller usually.

[dusk rivet]

dangling ssd sounds precarious

[dusk rivet]

even if it’s technically fine it doesn’t feel good in my heart

[twin dew]

Double sided tape exists.

[dusk rivet]

good point, good point

[twin dew]

People have been putting 2.5" SSDs between HDD mounts for long time for example.

Or slapping them to any available surface in cases with tape or velcro.

[dusk rivet]

plan is to get an h6 flow

so pretty

mostly just fans

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2Y964M build

psu is a placeholder

whats wrong with the motherboard?

fans are getting promptly ripped off the aio btw

i need all the fans to match

not a clue, was just to get pcpartpicker to shut up that i didn’t have a psu

[twin dew]

Some are good, some are bad.

[dusk rivet]

i’ll pick it when i buy the parts

[twin dew]

RM-###(X) for example was the price-quality pick in Finland for long time.

The cheapest ones are crap usually.

Mid-price models depend on the model.
Some are excellent, some are bad.

Model as the line with same PCB and build.
But different ratings with component changes.

[narrow folio]

Im happy with my HX1000i

have the original edition in my old PC and the 2022 edition in the new one

[twin dew]

But it is then high-price category, and almost all of those are good.

[night girder]

I got a seasonic Focus GX750 PSU

[twin dew]

Depends on the model.

[dusk rivet]

how do non-modular psu’s even still exist

they’re so inconvenient

[night girder]

I don't mind they still exist, aslong as we have the other option 🤣

[twin dew]

I'm using Seasonic PRIMEs in Gold, Platinum and Titanium.
But they are "overpriced".

[night girder]

wild guess: production of modular is more expensive?

[twin dew]

Significantly.

[night girder]

Baldur, do you have hybrid mode?

[twin dew]

Yes.

Button to select always on or hybrid

[night girder]

You use it?

It seems like such a niche feature 😒

[twin dew]

Need to test.
In theory spares the fan, but can cause much faster fan deteriation if it is constantly turning on and off.

Not enough during the lifetime of the PSU probably.

Just better components needed to do it.

So you get higher quality product.

So need to put some noise causing thing into the PSU fan with the PSU in the hybrid mode and test if the fan runs at times or not by listening.

Paper strip or something like that.

But even the high-power Seasonic ones seem to run the fan part of the time when they were just on the desk, with 100W or less load.
So need case fans to replace the PSU can for the hybrid to work.

[night girder]

So it seems that at 30% load the fans kick in.

[twin dew]

Not load related in reality.
Temperature, just at 30% it might kick in no matter what.

[night girder]

That's their official website Baldur.

[twin dew]

Yes, marketing is marketing.

[night girder]

So if they say load, I say load. But I know what it means.

But according to them it should extend fan life.

[twin dew]

And I have couple of those and they run the fan at much lower than 30% load for moments.

[night girder]

I have the same PSU 🤣

[twin dew]

And doing that kind of on-off greatly reduces the fan life.

[night girder]

and my fans are off atm.

[twin dew]

I mean I have Seasonic Primes. with same functionality, and same marketing.

[night girder]

I mean what is on and off? You benchmark.

That's not a typical use of a PSU. When I game, I do it for hours.

[twin dew]

Turn on for few seconds every 30 seconds or so.

At low loads.

[night girder]

So that means my PC is above 30 load for HOURS and the fans don't turn on and off.

[twin dew]

on the desk.

[night girder]

When I quiet gaming, I go to bed.

So in my use case the fans only start and stop maybe a few times a day.

[twin dew]

So it works fine at high load.
But the behavior below 30% load with just the temperature control is suspect.

[night girder]

if you benchmark, then yeah 🤷‍♂️ Ofc they going up and down. That's benchmarking 🤣

[twin dew]

No, just sitting on the desktop.

Idle, nothing running.
Both linux and windows.

[night girder]

Sounds like you have a broken PSU 🤣

Then why are mine off? On the desk? No load?

room temperature is 23 celcius atm.

[twin dew]

No, that additional temperature control feature running, and starting the fans if temperatures in specific components get too high.

And as the cooling need is so minor, it almost instantly shuts back down.

Several different Primes have done it for me.

[night girder]

😒

[twin dew]

When not being in case, with case fan overpressure providing that minor ventilation.

[night girder]

and actually, it's perfect sensible that the PSU does know the load.

Without knowing a temperature. It's a PSU. It knows how much is being drawn from it 🤣