off-topic-tech

[dusk rivet]

the macbook air is so thin and light it’s great

as long as it can run netflix and some other tabs idc

not gonna be where i play games

[maiden coyote]

I mean. That arm battery life is nice..

But the shenanigans that come with it.. I'll pass and hold on to my x86 machines that I actually feel like I own for as long as possible.

[dusk rivet]

i’ll prolly get a m2 13inch macbook air if i ever get one

[maiden coyote]

Pretty soon your pc will probably be arm and have a nivida cpu in it anyway.

And they'll probably be no difference between a windows machine or apple.. the only computers you'll be able to actually own will be raspberry pi

[sharp oasis]

Lol fr

[maiden coyote]

Your cpu dies, your memory dies, or your ssd wears out/dies. Throw it away and buy a new pc because it's all soldered on, and all firmware paired together.

[languid gulch]

any hints at what's going to be on fire sale for black friday?

[twin dew]

Idiot resurrected old thread and tells that if anyone has temperature problems with Intel CPU to just "Disable the Turbo boost system completely!": #1163142914109603850 message
Instead of tuning it to work with the cooler...

If you actually clicked on that, and then looked at the top right corner, it would show you have 32GB installed, with 31.9GB usable, because of various UEFI reservations for RAM needed by the firmware and hardware.

And only having 0.1GB reserved is very small reservation, normal is 0.2-0.4GB, if there isn't IGP taking another chunk that would usually be 2GB from 8+GB of RAM.

[twin dew]

Anyways, planning to get Reolink RLC-520A IP security camera for inside the apartment vestibule:
reolink.com/us/product/rlc-520a/
Will only be recording very small area inside of the outside door.

Any recommendations for something else instead?
Same form factor instead of the long tube kind, smaller the better.
Physical Ethernet a must.
Preferrably without WLAN.
POE power strongly preferred.
Must be able to record to local Linux LAN server in some way.
Must be able to work without Internet connection.
Cheapish.

[twin dew]

@jagged snow Just completely bonkers... #1163142914109603850 message

[dire igloo]

Probably drives and peripherals.
Maybe coolers, GPUs, RAM and cases.
Unlikely PSUs, CPUs, mainboards.

Also remember:
Just because something is on sale doesn't mean it's a good deal.
Never look at a product and its price in isolation - always compare it to the competition.

A $72 SSD with a 25% discount ($18) still is a worse deal than a $50 SSD at regular pricing

[gilded helm]

I would bet there's probably going to be plenty of good Gen 4 SSDs for sale. Those have already been going on and off sale all year.

[edgy hazel]

just like with avocados

[gilded helm]

Today I learned almonds are like the evil opposite of avocados, where you throw away the fruit and eat the pit.

[edgy hazel]

😈 🥑

[dire igloo]

Prices are rising now.
The low-cost market in the US is a barren landscape

Also, good Gen 3 > mediocre Gen 4

[edgy hazel]

and even then you have almonds you can't eat. So super evil avocados

[dire igloo]

I'd pick a solid Gen 3 SSD over NV2 any day of the week

[edgy hazel]

btw have you seen cashews???

[twin dew]

And yes, I concede.
Both the original Steamdeck SOC and the new one are AMD Semi-Customs, so when all the subparts in the SOC already had both 7nm and 6nm versions, just doing the "same" thing as die shrink was cheap.
And the differences between the TSMC 7nm and 6nm are minimal anyways.

[edgy hazel]

they look so dumb

[gilded helm]

Worse I accidentally mistook some sort of imitation cheddar made from cashews for the real thing when I was hastily shopping on vacation.

[rotund hamlet]

who put the damn mushrooms up the tree i swear

[edgy hazel]

food is dumb

pineapple is so fake

what do you mean it's just there

[twin dew]

But anyways, 122e for camera, POE injector and 256GB Samsung Pro Endurance MicroSD card.
And later about 100e for Pi 4 with airflow plastic case, passive heatsinks and PSU.
To act as hidden inhouse FTP server for the camera.

If someone in the next 6 hours doesn't give me better idea.

[charred pewter]

oh god, chrome updated and what the hell did they do to it

every damned standard icon they have now in the titlebar area, bookmark bar, etc... are 'blury' icons

[edgy hazel]

Get anti-aliased idiot

the apprentice casts gaussian blur and I just put my wizard glasses on

[dire igloo]

imagine using Chrome, smh

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/average-firefox-enjoyer-gif-26930283

[charred pewter]

its apparently even affecting every "SVG" in websits (but not other images)

[edgy hazel]

get unvectored

[wanton orchid]

you only want one camera ?

[twin dew]

Yes?
I live in apartment building, and I don't want to record anything in the real living areas.
Only the entrance door.

[wanton orchid]

ok
because if you planned to upgrade I think poe switch may be worth it
and it may be possible to power the pi with it

[twin dew]

No, don't need full POE switch, the active AF (15W/12W) injector costs 11e.

And not planned for the PI, that will just normal USB-C charger.

The pi will be with WiFi once it is added, so no network cable leading to where it is hidden.

Current plan is to put it behind the fridge, that is inset into the cabinets.
Taking power from the same outlet.

[charred pewter]

i wonder how managing all my google profiles using firefox profiles (since it doesnt link at all) would be a pain to get used too ... cause i see chrome going to shit when they remove the experimental flag to go back to the old UI and not this new 2023 bullshit they created and shat out their ass without vetting

seriously whomever stamped this as ok to ship needs to be fired. now

so, depending what happens in a few months when they retire the experimental flag to use the old ui ... i may be joining you team firefox guys 😦

lol its even blurry on my ultra res macbookpro screen ... holy crap

... installs firefox to mess around in and see about switching too ...

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/firefox-love-open-source-mozilla-gif-27337334

[charred pewter]

nice reveal of complete gibberish lol that actually makes fieforx seem less

[charred pewter]

rofl

incidentally, that is exactly how google wants youtube too look with ads

[edgy hazel]

I'm free of youtube ads or their blocker so far

[charred pewter]

ive not run into it myself, and im still on chrome

[edgy hazel]

firefox + ublock and everything auto updates

[charred pewter]

but then i dont watch youtubes a LOT so maybe there is something to it

thankfully im not the only one complaining about the new 119 chrome build .... for once, other people are bringing up just how bad something is that i agree too 😄

im not alone anymore! (so thats what this feels like) feels great!

[maiden coyote]

Maybe the Amcrest 5MP Turret POE? As long as the camera supports onvif you're good.. what software do you plan on using?

[twin dew]

The manufacturer doesn't seem to have any European presence.

And like I said, that specific cam can do just dump FTP.

ONVIF mostly seems to need purpose build recorders.

There isn't open source or like software for it.

[maiden coyote]

I've been using shinobi.. but it's kind of junk, and it has a nag about subscribing.. also doesn't allow fastforward through timeline with out subscribing.. I really wouldn't have an issue with it.. but the software is feels very beta

Onvif/rstp streams can be pulled/viewed with pretty much any software, vlc included

[twin dew]

That specific manufacturers cameras can do phone app, windows program or just direct http.
And can just send the video to FTP server.

[twin dew]

Yes, but the point is where do you store them?

Either on the camera, or you need specialist device or storage software.

[jagged snow]

🤣 peak comedy to wake up to

[twin dew]

Took quick look if there was linux text mode program to act as the storage server.

But mostly talk was just about the software to access the video for viewing.
And then that for example Synology can act as the recorder, or specialist devices.

[maiden coyote]

Yeah. Shinobi half-ass works.. there's frigate nvr, which supports using a Google coral for object detection.. I haven't gotten to mess with it yet but it's on my list

[twin dew]

Which start from 200e or so for the recorder device IIRC.

[maiden coyote]

I've heard synology is good.. you've also got unifi protect.. but I think that's only for x86 machines

[twin dew]

I need simple and cheap single camera solution that doesn't use the cloud and can store to hidden small server.

[twin dew]

But Synology NAS would still cost a ton, and are big.

[maiden coyote]

Yeah.

[twin dew]

I'm not doing "full" system with multiple cameras etc.

I just want fire and forget single camera local recording for cheap.

[maiden coyote]

Shinobi might work for you for a recorder/viewer as much as I hate recommending it

I've only got 2 cameras on it. They're both wifi. Ones a cheap China cam and the other is tplink tapco. The tplink one is better, but it's wifi

[twin dew]

Yes, I could go with ONVIF it seems, but basically overkill for my current needs.
Even when that could run on Pi.

When just FTP server with logrotate like solution to delete old videos to keep space open and with VLAN separation and firewalling will work.
When I don't have need to access the videos ever, except to confirm that they still are being recorded and work, and in case there has been a breakin.

Needs of "proper" system are different from mine.

[wanton orchid]

what's worrying me is how to do space efficient encoding on pi

[twin dew]

The camera is doing that already?

[wanton orchid]

ok

[twin dew]

Yes, I know.
But I don't need the functionality.
I don't WANT to give easy access to the videos.

[maiden coyote]

And you can just use copy, so there's no encoding

[twin dew]

Yes, I know what the protocol is.

[wanton orchid]

if you can get the flow in the pi, all that online stuff you can diy with nginx and ffmpeg on pi probably

[twin dew]

Just much more complex than needed in this case.
And the camera can do it too.

But like said, the Pi is only for storage, even if I was using that specialist protocol.
The camera already encodes the video to H264 with selectable settings.

And just then streams that to the storage device using one of several different protocols.
And the storage just stores it, and with more advanced solutions, allows you to easily look at it too.

But as there will be only single camera, and that will just be recording small part of the interior of the apartment, there isn't need to watch the video.

But time to look at the exact software etc. is when I'm going to be after buying the Pi.
Just going to go first with recording to camera local card, for budget reasons.

Even when that causes it to be easily stolen, if there is break-in, and if the person thinks to grab the camera from the ceiling with them.

[wanton orchid]

I checked earlier about pi poe, and it's now fully supported, that's nice

[twin dew]

Yes, but again, the Pi will not use POE, it will not have hardline network connection.
Reason I'm going with Pi 4 to get AX dual-band WIFI.

And will just have USB-C PD wall wart.

The camera will use POE.

[wanton orchid]

I was not talking about your setup specifically, it's just that I like that, and I talked about it earlier, so I think to share that it supports it well

[twin dew]

And yes, I know that the Blue Iris support for Reolink cameras doesn't actually work, because of encoding settings used.
Blue Iris wants pretty specific ones in relation to keyframes etc.
And Reolink cameras don't fit the bill currently.

[maiden coyote]

Blueiris is windows only too.

[twin dew]

Yes. But as point that I know that the Reolink cameras have problems with some of the common "use this" NVR softwares.

[maiden coyote]

I think zoneminder will run on the pi. I'm pretty sure all of that is outside of what you want though.. if you just want to simply record with no live view, I don't know of any software for that

[twin dew]

Just that it is the inexpensive option that isn't WLAN only with cloud storage.

[twin dew]

Like I said, the Reolink cameras can just use any FTP server as the destination.

Including FTPS (still not completely secure, FTP itself is all plain-text, including logins).

[simple herald]

What's the best noise cancelling + surround sound headphones under 500?

[twin dew]

Just so weird...
But as the guy has bought too good CPU for the case and cooling, and then just gimped it...

But anyways, that Reolink camera support ONVIF, Dump FTP, and Reolinks own access protocol.

• just plain browser access for setting it up.

And RTSP too it seems.

And the other manufacturer mentioned doesn't seem to be available in EU.

[wanton orchid]

I dont know if there are bare sftp or even tls cameras with good encoding and poe ethernet with ethernet embeding (I mean physically 'sealing' the ethernet inside the camera stand, so it can't be easily disconnected)

[twin dew]

Of course the person breaking in can trash the camera.
Point is that it will record to hidden small server.
The moment the person breaks the door.
And that it can in this case be done with just FTP server software, instead of full ONVIF one that are much more complex.

But I was asking about camera alternative recommendations, not about the storage side.

[maiden coyote]

Most of the time, a camera working or not will deter shit like that. If it doesn't then they don't care and they're going to do it regardless

[jagged snow]

I can't believe he kept arguing the point

[twin dew]

Not about deterrance.
Will not even know the camera is there before the only entry door is broken.

Just hoping to get good enough pic of the perp for the police, to have higher chance to get the stuff back.
When the problem is someone living in the same building.

[maiden coyote]

Damn.

[twin dew]

AFAIK only has broken TWICE into same other apartment, in one of the floors above me.
So most likely lives on that same floor.

[maiden coyote]

I paid for the whole computer, but I'm only going to use half of the computer

[wanton orchid]

btw one could say the same thing about my embeding stand, it can still be forced out, but the point is :

• the time it gets to be forced out, the pics are already uploaded, the guys are screwed already
  an easier to disconnect camera can be disconnected fast enough the pics are not recorded, and easily enough the guys can still be hiding mostly

[maiden coyote]

Yeah, you need something that's recording. I think having a hidden pi is a good idea.

If that's becoming an issue I'm surprised the apartment manager doesn't do something. I don't think that's illegal for them to setup cameras in the hallway or any common area

[wanton orchid]

recording outside can very quickly become a legal headache if the managing entity does not own every apartements around it

[twin dew]

The entrances to the building and the common storages already have cameras.
And the outside doors have electric locks with AFAIK logging.

Same for the common area locked doors.

[wanton orchid]

[twin dew]

But adding cameras to the upper hallways isn't legal without lot of hoops that would probably fail.

Like I said, the chance of breakin is very minor, but after the second time same door has been broken (if the ramblings of the specific dweller are to be believed), I'm going to use some money to add that camera.

Steel core door would be the real fix, but that would cost double to quadruple.

And cannot be easily gotten, as mostly those are being sold to cases where all the doors in complex are replaced at same time.

But anyways, going to put the order in for the starter pack with camera, injector and card.
Couldn't find anything else prosumer segment.
Just the WiFi & Cloud consumer crap, then Realinks, and then expensive professional stuff.

[maiden coyote]

That's pretty much it. I'm familiar with the reolink name, so they're probably alright. Sadly the market is saturated with cloudsumer crap.

You wouldn't think finding a simple ip camera would be difficult, but it kind of is.

[twin dew]

Because "Simple" is "Uses Cloud" these days.
And that is in theory good option, as it stores the video away from the robbers.
But for privacy reasons I don't want that, even when the video would only contain audio from the apartment most of the time.

[jagged snow]

I'm very much not a fan of that either

I really dislike the push to cloud

[twin dew]

Anyways, buying 256GB version of this, the largest write endurance SD card on the market, by large margin, AFAIK.
semiconductor.samsung.com/consumer-storage/memory-card/micro-sd-pro-endurance/

[wanton orchid]

the very fashion that market as been so much pushed is hinting bad intents

[twin dew]

140160 hours of 3.25MB/s recording as the spec.

[jagged snow]

That is my concern

[wanton orchid]

"It's just an added feature, trust me, but now we will charge you double if you dont adopt it soon"

[wanton orchid]

that's like 48 years of common recording throughput

(1MB/s)

[twin dew]

26 Mbps for comparison to next one:
Kingston High Endurance: 26900 hours at 13 Mbps.

SanDisk High Endurance 256GB: 20000 hours at unspecified bitrate for fullHD (like the other two).

Not so little difference in the datasheet spec for endurance.

[maiden coyote]

Any sd card will probably last long enough to not matter

[twin dew]

No, most fail in less than year for dashcam or security camera like use.

Often in less than half a year of constant full-hd loop recording.

And the warranty terms in all but those three explicitly rule out use in video recorder type things from warranty coverage.

If you go read the small print in the SD card retail package.

[maiden coyote]

My old SanDisk dashcam is still using the same 64gb card. It's been in there for about a year. It's nothing special and I'm rewriting the entire card every 16 hours I think

[wanton orchid]

I will some day learn how pi are booting

smh my "some day" to-do list is insanely long

[twin dew]

Yes, some old cards could take it.
Some couldn't.
But that is getting worse and worse with new models.

There were/are threads etc. in dashcam forums listing the suitable card SKUs.

[maiden coyote]

I don't drive my car much anyway. My point is if you want to research the best sd card you can, but with 1 camera at 1080p any modern Samsung or SanDisk card will likely last years. Unless the write endurance of modern cards is lower

[twin dew]

Yes?
And that 256GB Samsung Pro Endurance cost me 37e.

So there is price premium, but it isn't that big.

56e in my local store.
Cheapest 256GB card would be 20e for special deal on Kioxia Exceria Plus 256GB.
And 21e for cheapest otherwise.

[maiden coyote]

So something like this won't last?

[twin dew]

AFAIK not anymore, usually.

Haven't checked the specialist places in few years.

Absolutely no endurance spec in current Sandisk Extreme datasheet for example.

Ah, SanDisk also has "Max Endurance" line,

[maiden coyote]

apparently reddit says to avoid them like the plague

[twin dew]

120000 hours at full HD, 15 year warranty, again no bitrate spec.

[twin dew]

Some of the old ones worked fine.
Today the non-specific ones are really bad idea mostly.

[maiden coyote]

Samsung seems to be highly recommended.

[twin dew]

Like I said, that Pro Endurance is "only" twice the price of the cheapest other options mostly, and has insane high endurance ratings in the official spec.

So why take a chance.

[dire igloo]

got the 512GB of the Kioxia one for 40€, great deal tbh

but honestly, I didn't bother checking anything in regard to speed or longevity

so it could just as well be the shittiest of microSD cards known to man

[twin dew]

Mostly the normal cards are just fine.
But continous recording needs specific ones, and not all are ok.
And the pool of ok ones outside the specialist cards has been going down with the time.
And there can be changes in the FLASH used without warning, usually the exact SKU code changes, but the branding doesn't.

[maiden coyote]

As long as it works. When it dies, replace it. With the pi you can image your initial install and settings so it'll be easy to swap the cards out after a year or two if you wanted

[maiden coyote]

I think they use Broadcoms CFE

[twin dew]

Problem is the time between the card starting to fail or fail, and when you notice.
If it has been corrupting the data for X time before you check because you need it?

Yes, they are specialist cards, that cost some extra.
But the extra is so small in percentage and absolute terms that didn't see need to skimp.

[night girder]

Today I learned that the 3rd video in youtube list is always a low viewed video.

The YT algorithm is written by kids.

https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/v6mvpm/for_the_last_few_days_the_third_recommendation_on/

[dire igloo]

just had every 2nd video in my shorts feed be a video I had already watched

[night girder]

The algorithm feels less and less natural. Or like what I am used of an algorithm. It's so scripted. Second video: a video arleady watched. 3rd video: a video with low views. For a few years I am dreaming for some competition against YT. In that sense I am happy we have TikTok. Yet I never used TikTok before 🤣

[cloud glacier]

Hey, does anyone here know their way around Three js and SLGL? I have a uni assignment that's kicking my ass, and I am failing to find answers or apply any of the examples I find around...

[twin dew]

Hmm...
Linpack Extreme 30GB stress test now makes the 7800X3D pull about 100W?
And the from wall power is now at 150W.
But the VCore current and the VCore voltage don't support that...
Some kind of reading or firmware error in the chain?
PPT percentage matches the wattage numbers...

Still only at 75C CPU hotspot

[night girder]

How do you measure wall?

[twin dew]

Ok, it was real.
Because the normal full load from wall measurement was and still is 123W.
Linpack just causes some abnormal power usage in this case in the CPU.
Getting all eight cores to permanent almost 7W usage.
So 72W for cores, then 12W for SOC.
No idea where the rest is coming from, as the MISC etc. don't have specific readouts.
Even the one that is Core+Soc+Misc is only 89W.

[twin dew]

With cheap inline meter.

This kind of thing, from Biltema in this case.

[night girder]

Oh, I have one that looks exactly the same

I trust them more than readouts from software tbh.

[twin dew]

Yeah, something some Chinese company produces and sells for various brands.

Just don't measure the same thing.

[edgy hazel]

mine is directly reported from the PSU 🤷‍♂️

[night girder]

I highly doubt it's the meter. Always possible you are unlucky and have a faulty one.

The only way to be sure is to have a second reading at the wall.

[twin dew]

No, I used the external meter as sanity check.
It showed the same increase as the software.

[night girder]

You don't have a multi meter lying around by any chance?

[twin dew]

That was the point.
That somehow the Linpack is using tens of watts more power than previous other tests.

[twin dew]

In specific part of the test.
Inline with norms in others.
Just that the frequency, voltage and temperature aren't increased during that higher power usage part.

[narrow folio]

sorry, just wanted to share... I feel old

[twin dew]

So it seemed so weird when I first looked.

But anyways, off to bed.

[narrow folio]

I had to use a 8bit ISA card for my serial mouse

[night girder]

Do you miss the screws? 😄

[narrow folio]

not really, but I always used them

[night girder]

There was a satisfying feeling to have screws. Don't know why. Maybe the fact you were sure the cable couldn't snatch out?

but then again, if someone is stepping over cables in their house and they trip, it could prevent the case of landing on the floor if the cable just snaps out.

[narrow folio]

Yeah, secured it. But not really needed

[night girder]

I think the main reason they don't do it is to reduce costs in production 😛

[narrow folio]

parallel printer cables were horrible stiff sometimes and really needed to be locked down

cost savings are always a concern

[night girder]

another thing I noted with those old cables is that they can get more dirty than modern ones. More hooks and crooks. The had a color. Were bigger etc.

you need a 🪥 to clean those 🤣

[wanton orchid]

and the pin are now reversed female/male so it get less stuff inside cable connectors

i.e cable connectors are more protected than pc connectors now,
makes more sense that the old otherway around

one could arg pc connectors cost more to replace then, but its also cheaper to make bare connector bulkier in a pc case than on a cable

[narrow folio]

Wow, wire nuts for VGA signal? Never thought I would see them used for that 😁

[wanton orchid]

I mean :

[night girder]

stole image from google, no clue what they are doing. I assume reanimating the cable or just messing around with it to see how it works.

[wanton orchid]

and yes I hand mouse made that

[languid gulch]

still something satisfying about the chunkiness of old connectors

like driving an old car where it's mechanical connections everywhere

[gilded helm]

It looks like Alder Lake/Lovelace laptops might be going on clearance. Gigabyte G5 with a 12650H and 4060 spotted for $800. I have no idea whether that machine is any good, but I'm sure some decent machines will be available.

[tough owl]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-goodbye-chat-esmbot-gif-23077908

[winged valley]

that is probably the worst way ive ever seen to splice a data cable

[steel peak]

😬

would a consistent ~110 hotspot be of concern

[rotund hamlet]

that's the max, but yeah that's not ideal

[sharp oasis]

That's even slightly outside the range you want your Hotspot ag

At

You normally want your Hotspot to be likr delta 20c of the global temp

[steel peak]

hmm its stock air cooler though

[sharp oasis]

Even then

My stock air cooler with my 6700XT makes at least delta 25c at peak temp

[steel peak]

D:

[languid gulch]

i think i could push my 6600XT up to 108C on the hotspot

but that'd also freak me out a bit & i'd calm it down

[edgy hazel]

The temps are fiiiiiine

86 global and 112 Hotspot is okay

It is the max and you're fully pushing it but it's fine

[twin dew]

Linpack crashed the computer last night...
And then second time with CO offsets removed...
So seems that the RAM timings with IF OC isn't stable when RAM ECC is on...
Time for more testing. Set the RAM ECC to off and running the same linpack settings again.
And if that works for several hours, time to set IF to lower frequency and ECC on, and test again.

[twin dew]

Rebooted without ECC, and that means it probably is IF uncorrectable ECC fault.
So lower the FCLK, enable ECC, enable CO, run again.

[twin dew]

Yup, seems to be that.
So need to set the FCLK to "just" 2100MHz for now, and wait for AMD to update AGESA to support reporting the detected IF errors.

[dire igloo]

What case?

[steel peak]

4000D airflow

That was modded Minecraft with shaders doing that

[dire igloo]

Extra fans or no?

[steel peak]

3 intake 3 exhaust (2 top 1 rear)

All 120mm

Uhhh only gpu sounded noisy

Idk if intakes ramped

[dire igloo]

Get Fancontrol software and use the GPU temp for case fans

What fans are you using for intake and exhaust?

[steel peak]

Uhh some Corsair 120mm

Needed a y-splitter to connect all to the mobo, only 3pin

Hmm I'll see if I can play around tmw with getting the fans controlled. I'm using gigabyte gaming x ax

So might need their stupid bloatware

[dire igloo]

Download Fancontrol

[steel peak]

Side note why's there no open source non garbage rgb controller

[dire igloo]

getfancontrol.com

[dire igloo]

OpenRGB works decently well, unless you have Corsair

Because Corsair are assholes

[steel peak]

F

My build is all Corsair

[dire igloo]

Sucks

Try SignalRGB

Worked with my brother's Corsair RAM

[steel peak]

I'll check these out tmw. 🙏

[dire igloo]

Fancontrol is open source freeware

[steel peak]

Lol

[dire igloo]

Fuck Microsoft.
www.heise.de/news/Microsoft-lays-hands-on-login-data-Beware-of-the-new-Outlook-9358925.html

[mental oriole]

That is a big yikes.

[languid gulch]

i have a noctua fan controller in storage 🤣

complete with a knob

[narrow folio]

800 bucks for a misspelled product
let's see how Asus will handle this

[night girder]

no way.

[night girder]

https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-premium-700-rog-maximus-z790-hero-evangelion-motherboard-has-a-typo

Yes way 🤣 - Not fixed for over a month 👍 So happy I ditched Asus.

[narrow folio]

www.pcgamesn.com/asus/embarrassing-evangelion-mistake

[night girder]

I am not a big fan of this case. It's an eye catcher for sure.

[narrow folio]

Yeah, I was kinda interested in this thing even if Intel only

[night girder]

If you are a fan I understand.

[narrow folio]

Evangelion was my entry drug to anime

[night girder]

I am open minded, but that doesn't seem like an anime I would like 😅

but might be totally wrong. Just seen some awfull animes with girls in spandexes 🤣

[narrow folio]

I think it is a great story, Spandex is not everything. yeah, some cringe moments about those coming of age things are there, but not many. and the animation is really great for my taste

[night girder]

This is 2-3K.

[dire igloo]

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/lockbit-ransomware-leaks-gigabytes-of-boeing-data

Guess whose employer was also attacked but had their IT systems up to date so it wasn't successful

Btw, the attack was on Halloween - a holiday in Northern Germany where the vast majority of our IT department sits (and the infosec responsible who was contacted by BSI about it).
Day later (November 1st), Northrhine-Westphalia was on holiday - including BSI, so nobody answered our infosec rep's calls.

[dusk rivet]

i’ve seen several of these heavily-themed evangelion builds, and they all look so similar

[dire igloo]

I mean, ain't that the point of it?

To have a very specific aesthetic?

[narrow folio]

Either you make an eva build or you don't. Mostly Asuka and/or Rei themed, but I've seen Shinji, Engel, Seele or other chars

[dusk rivet]

they all look eerily similar tho

it’s always that one character

[narrow folio]

my guess is that many have a crush on Asuka

Eva 01 was a thing too, just last generation

there they could write it correctly

[dusk rivet]

H6 flow actually looks nice

looks a bit smaller than the h9 flow

[twin dew]

Ubuntu didn't like that I had only 64MB RAM dedicated for the IGP...

[narrow folio]

the H6 looks nice at first glance. Hyte Y70 should have way better thermals than the Y60

[dusk rivet]

for 110usd for the h6 flow vs 240 for the h9 flow, i’ll take the h6 flow any day

[twin dew]

The GPU driver kept crashing or something when trying to load the graphical user interface.

Works fine when I upped that to what auto would have been.

[edgy hazel]

Lmao

[twin dew]

Win 10 worked fine with that 64MB,.

Leftover from testing RAM

[dusk rivet]

i added the h6 flow to my planned build, 130usd decrease in price for one less fan and a bit smaller of a case when i already wasn’t a huge fan on the size, i love it

[dire igloo]

Decent bit, yeah

Also IO on the bottom, ideal for use on the desk - shitty when on the floor tho.

[dusk rivet]

it’ll be on desk so that’s a plus

h6 flow looks super nice for what i want

[dire igloo]

Make sure to use third party fans

Not the original ones from NZXT

[dusk rivet]

yeah i have thermalright fans

it only comes with three fans anyways

wish they had an option to not get fans for a reduced price

[sand saddle]

Those fans don't cost shit

Might as well include them

[dire igloo]

Just sell them, some brandhead might even pay you more money for them than you spent on Thermalright

[dusk rivet]

if it was even 5usd off, that’s 5 usd i could spend on something else

[dusk rivet]

not worth the effort and shipping cost

one less fan in the h6 actually works better, now i dont have to get 3 3-packs, plus a random 1 pack, i can just get the 3 3-packs

[narrow folio]

Asus thinking about Evangelion...

[dusk rivet]

is it e-van-gehl-e-uh-n or e-van-jel-e-uh-n

phonetics is hard

[dire igloo]

Eh-fun-geh-lee-uhn

[dusk rivet]

interesting

[narrow folio]

english pronunciation can be hard... especially as a non native I mix my teachers 'english', british, american and australian slang.

[dire igloo]

Don't forget scottish

And the occasional sprinkle of mother tongue

[pure karma]

honestly there not bad i kept one for the fun of it and its the quietest and the smoothest overall i think they leveled up there fan game

[dire igloo]

They move air, but pretty much any other proper fan out there beats them

If they are quiet, they don't move air.
If they move air, they are loud.

Any other decent quality fan out there beats it in either of those metrics (or straight up noise-normalized performance)

[dire igloo]

So in conclusion, they are bad

You are better off paying $15 for a three pack of TL-C12C

[pure karma]

thats probably why the AW fans sound like rocket ships

[wide void]

don't forget the scousers!

[dire igloo]

AW? Alienware? I think those might be even worse offenders - also, Alienware prebuilds tend to have practically no air access meaning higher rpm required for similar performance

[pure karma]

well yea you have a point there but there not bad also the rads are quite good for there size

checked myn and its like 3.5 inches thick

they have air access but no fans forcing air in... only out

[dire igloo]

In comparison to literally any reputable third party fan they are bad

And Alienware PCs are a meme

Just check GN dismantling one of their Aurora PCs - both physically and figuratively

[pure karma]

i own one i know how it is....

extra thicc whit low purpose

[jagged snow]

That wasn't nearly as hard as steve roasted 14th gen intel

I haven't laughed that hard at a review ever

[pure karma]

☕

[wide void]

at best really its 13.5 Gen

[jagged snow]

Yeah, all just marketing

[wide void]

not seen Steves review, but I can imagine, lol

[jagged snow]

It really should've been the 13x50 series

[twin dew]

And then there was the "Waste of sand" 11th gen.

[maiden coyote]

isn't that odd? you can't get a machine to boot without graphics.

if you can, let me know how

[twin dew]

Just couldn't handle running on just 64MB of VRAM, and didn't know how to use the dynamic part.

Windows can.

[maiden coyote]

the bios won't let it

[twin dew]

So the driver worked, just ran out of VRAM when the GUI booted and tried to run.

And the GUI crashed and burned.

[maiden coyote]

I've got an am3 board that I was going to use for experimenting. no igp, won't post

I think you can setup windows server without a gui.. not sure tbh

[twin dew]

The IGP worked fine.
Just that the Xorg etc. couldn't run with just 64MB of VRAM.
And the driver/Xorg didn't know how to use RAM as VRAM extension.

So text mode linux worked fine, and even safe-mode GUI worked fine.
Windows worked fine.

[maiden coyote]

www.reddit.com/r/linuxhardware/comments/umk511/comment/i8eysg2/?utm_name=web3xcss

[twin dew]

IGP:s have variable allocation size for "Dedicated" RAM as VRAM.
I had set that to minimum setting of 64MB, to be able to test as much of the RAM with Memtest etc., which cannot test that VRAM allocation.
And then the IGP in Windows can use up to half of the RAM as Dynamic RAM as VRAM.
But the Linux driver or Xorg or something else whichever should do the same in Linux couldn't do it.
And the 64MB wasn't enough for whatever layers over the Xorg current Ubuntu uses.

[maiden coyote]

apparently people are indeed killing sdcards with the pi lol

[twin dew]

Yes, by default Linux often does excessive logging for SDcard endurance.
Or even SSD endurance.

[maiden coyote]

I was reading stuff about truenas and whatnot.. learned that ZFS's pools without ECC memory is a horrible idea

[twin dew]

Not really.
Not more than any other system without ECC.

Just thing that runs around in that specific community.

[maiden coyote]

You sure?

[twin dew]

For "never get any data corruption ever, in any case", you need the ECC RAM too.

But that is pretty specific niche, just that those people are very active in various datahoarder places.

[maiden coyote]

This was someone who seemed knowledgeable. and apparently if there's a bit flip for whatever reason and it's written to the pool it's very bad.

[twin dew]

Not any more bad than with any other file system.

So ECC is good, but ZFS doesn't care any more than any other file system.

ECC should be everywhere, but the specific thing in the ZFS/Datahoarder/TrueNAS community is way overblown.

[maiden coyote]

this is related to zfs pools, so many drives in raid. it was enough to steer me away from it.

[twin dew]

If you get RAM bit flip in just right place, you can write the corrupted checksum to the drive.
And you then lose whatever that specific checksum was checksumming.

Same as with any other filesystem where data or metadata gets bit error and is written to the disk.

The chance to get that with ZFS in just the right place is just so miniscule...
Less than with non-checksumming file systems.

It is just that the specific community is extremely paranoid about absolutely any amount of chance for data corruption.

And of course you cannot get as close to zero without ECC RAM, as you can get with ECC RAM.

But if the RAM isn't actually faulty and it is only about random bitflips from cosmic rays etc, then the chance is miniscule, and should only affect individual files even if it happens.

And the same chance for random data corruption is there on any file system.

[narrow folio]

I can understand the ECC enthusiastic people in the zfs community. Why go to the lengths of using zfs and then not go all the way.
can stay at ext4 or btrfs if 💯 % data integrity is not one of your major concerns

is it needed for personal use? usually not

[twin dew]

It is good idea, but personal system can do without.
And in large scale storage deployment, ECC is pretty must no matter what file system you use.

Damn you Intel and your segmentation!

[narrow folio]

what segmentation?

[twin dew]

As in Intel disables the ECC support in their consumer CPUs based on chipset.
To not have those that absolutely need the ECC buying the cheap systems, but need to get the more expensive chipsets.

[twin dew]

All Intel CPUs support ECC RAM.
They just don't allow it to work in Firmware if you don't have "Xeon" chipset.

Have for tens of years.

[narrow folio]

yeah, old problem. I remember that some i3 processors had ECC enabled

[twin dew]

Just segmentation, so that consumer platforms don't steal sales from the higher tiers.
And then have FUDed it to "Consumers don't need ECC".

In marketing.

And then you have chicken-egg problem in ECC RAM.
High prices because of low sales.
And low sales because of the high prices.
Combined with that "You need much more expensive MB to support ECC, which won't have consumer focused features".

So the Intel CPUs support ECC RAM, MBs could just add the 8 extra traces.
But as the firmware doesn't allow that to work when the MB has one of the "Consumer" chipsets, what else is that but pure segmentation?

When the chipset has nothing to do with the RAM?

[narrow folio]

i3-12100E CPU supports ECC, but I have no idea if the board has to support it too

[twin dew]

Has to.
And that is only in the C-series "Xeon" chipsets.

AMD does the same with their desktop APUs.
The consumer APUs have the ECC support disabled in the CPU, even when the IMC could support it.
And only the Pro APUs have it still enabled.
But no chipset difference.

Desktop non-APU, non-Pro CPUs have it enabled, but not officially supported.
Both APU and non-APU Pro:s have it officially supported.

And the MB has to have those extra traces.
Asus and ASRock have them.
Gigabyte and MSI don't.

For AM4 and AM5.

[narrow folio]

kinda sad that since DDR 5 ECC is not real ECC anymore but many use it for marketing

[twin dew]

The mandatory On-Chip ECC isn't real ECC.
You can still have real ECC too.

Just that often the bad marketing drops that "On-Chip" part.

Real End-To-End ECC I mean.

The On-Chip ECC does fix bit errors during storage.
But it isn't meant to be there for the user, but for the RAM manufacturer to be able to use worse chips.

[narrow folio]

yield increasing ECC

[twin dew]

Yup.

You can sell chips that have RAM cells that are stuck to either position or are flaky.
If they are split so that no single row has too many of them to be correctable.
And the On-Chip ECC can correct multi-bit errors if they are spread out suitably.
Micron implementation splits the data into four areas that are separately corrected at least, and can do 1+ bit correction on each of those four, independent of each other.

IIRC from the datasheet.

When trying to find out if the On-Chip ECC can notify the IMC about errors or not.
It cannot easily.
There was some kind of error counter that the IMC can read.

[narrow folio]

error correction reporting? what's that?
they have to leave some room for improvement for DDR 6

[twin dew]

Well, if the user got reports from the RAM that contained knowingly flaky cells from the start?

[narrow folio]

Oh, they would complain

define X corrected ECC errors per Y timeframe as good enough?

[twin dew]

Not really workable when you can then just do reads to the specific row you found out to contain failty cell?

[narrow folio]

mark cell x as bad and never touch it again? best done at the check right after assembly

a bit like wear leveling on a SSD

[cyan crescent]

Got the pcie to m.2 adapter in as well as its power. Went fairly well.

You can see it coming in between the pcie x16 riser

[wanton orchid]

and card works ?

[cyan crescent]

This isnt for the graphics card.

[wanton orchid]

I know I'm talking about the htc connector card

[cyan crescent]

Oh. Dont have it yet. I got the adapter only as i wasnt sure if it would fit. It might fit but would the card work normally? Thats my only question now and i dont want to spend $350 on something that doesn’t work

[wanton orchid]

what adapter did you get then ?
also you never answered what was the card PCIe version rating

[cyan crescent]

I dont know what the rating was of the htc card but this is a pcie 3.0 x4 adapter so it should be fine. I got simple m.2 to pcie adapter

[wanton orchid]

the adapter is rated pcie 3x4 that's what you said ?

now you must look at your motherboard documentation to know if you have a pcie 3.0 x4 M.2 here

and htc card what version it uses

I can't know in place of your own eyes, I can't know what card you want to buy exactly

[visual tree]

Telco nightmare

[pure karma]

if its green theres no problem

[visual tree]

Someone is going to spend a lot of time cleaning those connectors

[winged valley]

Hypothetically

If I remove the compressed attribute from the many windows system folders that have it, will the pc boot/run ant faster?

I assume the answer is that it would be a negligible impact

[rotund hamlet]

highly depends on your disk speed and processing power

[sage heron]

are my sensors fault

[rotund hamlet]

more likely the software is shit

use hwinfo64

[languid gulch]

either that or it's getting ready for ignition

[twin dew]

Known as Post Package Repair, Hard version causes that to be permanent, Soft version just until next boot.

Feature of ECC RAM sticks.

IMC can order the chips to do it if it wants.
Just limitations amount of those that can be done.

[edgy hazel]

Damn it's easy to be sick now in germany. Usually I had to go to my doctor for the little "I'm sick" paper and send that paper to my HR as proof of my debilitating illness so I can get paid sick days. Now all that shit goes through the insurance provider electronically so I just have to call the Doc and just be like "uhouhouho I'm sick" and they just do their do and I don't have to do shit but to notify work

[dire igloo]

Yup, it's dope

Almost as if digitalization makes life easier

[upper plinth]

Okay does anyone here have experience with bypassing SSL in Java Dev server I have to use has broken Certificate, and http requests redirect to https lol. Asked few people already and none can figure out how to force Java to not even try parsing SSL Certificate

[mental oriole]

You can't?
Because that would be bad...
You define at startup what certs it will accept. If the cert is broken good luck, but you need to re deploy the service with a new cert or ask whomever is responsible to update the certificates in that case.

Or deploy a new one with certs disabled.. not recommended unless it's on a local network, and ofc only temporary.

[upper plinth]

It's local dev server, so that's why I want to bypass SSL instead of fixing the issue... and the fact I don't have access to the server configuration to fix the certificate myself :P

[mental oriole]

Idk then.

[twin dew]

Would need to override the functions doing the checking in the libraries.

There are some guides I could find for that.

[upper plinth]

already did that, as this is known workaround. The issue is that Java libraries are responsible for parsing, and that's where the issue is.

And overriding java libraries isn't fun

[mental oriole]

Java isnt fun

[upper plinth]

true.

Well.. gonna talk to few people that are responsible for the server to fix the certificate, and I guess I have a day off as I can't do anything without the acess to the server and the API

[twin dew]

Is it broken, or just self-signed?
When in the second case you just need to add the self-signing authoritys public key to the computer.

Second one is pretty common for internal systems.

[upper plinth]

It's.. both.

It's self-signed with some information missing completely, causing Java to fail parsing of the certificate.

[edgy hazel]

some poor guy gonna go to to the server then hihi

[twin dew]

Still around AFAIK?
It is just the number key type that is broken.
The button press works fine AFAIK?

[dusk rivet]

what’s wps

google was a bit mixed

[twin dew]

Way to do WiFi connections without the full password entry manually.

One is 8 number code, that is completely broken, because you can try it as two separate 4 number codes.
And there isn't limit how fast you can try.

Other is to press a button on the router, and next connection attempt is accepted automatically if the other side supports it.

[dusk rivet]

why are printers such a pain to have and use

[twin dew]

Entering the WiFi password on the buttons of the printer.

[dusk rivet]

ink is expensive, they like to kill themselves periodically, horrible connection

the upcharge on ink should absolutely be illegal

they already made it so you can’t use third party ink

time to go back to the printing press

[twin dew]

Laser printers \o/

[dusk rivet]

it’s about money too

costs them literal cents to produce an ink cartridge, just to sell it for an absurd amount

my printer is balanced precariously between two desks, with a cabinet underneath it that sits about a half an inch below the printer

it also weighs as much as 4 toddlers

good thing i never print anything

[jagged snow]

Laser printers are by far superior to any other tech unless you absolutely need color

[dusk rivet]

i just have a usb connection between the printer and the family pc

[twin dew]

Unless you need photo quality color.

[dusk rivet]

it refuses to print without a wired connection

[twin dew]

Color lasers are fine for almost anything else.

[jagged snow]

That's true

[dusk rivet]

i don’t like that emoji

why that emoji

you’re making me nervous maxeek

the family computer is a poor thing with most of its io and motherboard connections filled

was lucky enough to get ethernet tho

said computer, and printer

[wanton orchid]

there are good color laser too
but they are very very expensive for entreprise stuff

and it sucks lot of power too

[dusk rivet]

i did dust it out, but it was struggling before hand

[twin dew]

www.xerox.com/en-mk/office/multifunction-printers/workcentre-6515

[dusk rivet]

i did take it outside to dust

[twin dew]

Got the DNI version of that thing as personal printer.

[dusk rivet]

otherwise i would’ve gotten popcorn lung from the dust alone

[twin dew]

Yes, it is big.
But printing is pretty cheap, even including the image drum replacement costs etc. into the per page costs.

Something like 3.7 cents per black standard coverage page, including the paper IIRC?
At retail paper prices in small quantities.

[dusk rivet]

dust annoys me to see, so my main computer gets dusted weekly

[twin dew]

And the high power usage is only during the printing, as the heating element pulls power.

[dusk rivet]

usually whenever i can visibly see dust in the dust filter

isn’t monopoly a critique of capitalism?

[twin dew]

350W during print, 51W while keeping the heating element near-hot (standby), 1.1W while not doing that based on specs?

[wanton orchid]

the one I was talking about get up about 750W when printing 150W when waiting and 1.5W when standby iirc

[twin dew]

Yes, the old ones were much more power hungry, and same for the BIG machines probably.

[wanton orchid]

it's very stable printing though

that's what I like with laser
it needs hundreds of W to print
environment does not have hundreds of W to shit on the paper printing
so it naturally is very stable

you don't get crapped paper when very cold or very hot environment

[cyan crescent]

That slot is wired up for up to pcie 4.0 x4

[wanton orchid]

ok nice, remains the htc card pcie

[wanton orchid]

did you double check the different wiring depending on used cpus ?

[cyan crescent]

Yes.

[wanton orchid]

ok

box ?

what kind of box are you talking about

[twin dew]

So what MB? What CPU? What slot?

[cyan crescent]

24 usable lanes, 16 for gpu, 4 for os drive and 4 left over

[twin dew]

Meant the Callies case.

[twin dew]

Callie: So can you answer these three?

[wanton orchid]

without restarting ? you mean if you restart it detects if you dont it does not detect it ?

seems a OS issue

[cyan crescent]

Nzxt h1, asus rog strix b650e-i gaming wifi, ryzen 5 7600x

Using m.2 slot on back of mb

[twin dew]

And what SSD?

[wanton orchid]

no ssd

[cyan crescent]

For the os? That is on the front. Its a 870 evo i think

2 m.2 slots. One on front, one on back

Back one has the adapter

Brb. Gotta go do stuff

[wanton orchid]

I think it's baldur is not aware of the target setup

[twin dew]

Ah, what is going on then?
Misunderstood?

[wanton orchid]

thank you to finally provide the info we can help with, especially motherboard wiring

may be power problem, is the icy box powering up fine or does it is just waiting when not restarting ?

but yea if its only for backups then restarting is fine I guess

[twin dew]

But what is Callie trying to connect to the other M.2 slot then?
Convert it for something else that uses PCIe?

[wanton orchid]

an htc vive wiring card, but they never shared what card exactly

[twin dew]

M.2 Wireless cards don't work in SSD M.2 slots.

Different key and pinout.

[wanton orchid]

its not wireless M.2 card

[twin dew]

Ah, again my mistake.

[wanton orchid]

the adapter get external power

only PCIe lanes are used

[twin dew]

Probably trying to plug the WiGig wireless adapter card?
Because the options seem to be normally to use wired connection.
And then there is upsell to that PCIe wireless card for 60GHz wireless connection.

So would need any m.2 to PCIe conversion cable, that in theory do exist, but when you try to find one you just get returns for the PCIe to M.2 cards.

But would probably need active conversion cable in this case, because of the lenght of the run.

[wanton orchid]

the length ?

the length is not high

[twin dew]

For 4.0, few centimeters can be too much.
And I expected it needed to be pulled to below the Mini-ITX MB.

[wanton orchid]

I dont think it's pcie 4 you checked it ?

[twin dew]

For the card, probably not, didn't think again.
Brain not working today.

Ok, at least older versions were just 2.x

HTC doesn't seem to publish the spec.

[wanton orchid]

thats nasty then "hey, we designed a card you can use .. But we will not tell you how to use it Kappa"

[twin dew]

And just 1x based on pics.

Yeah, for FAQ entry about what length PCIe slot you need they tell the card dimensions instead...

[wanton orchid]

that's why version matters, because it can't be too slow

[charred pewter]

Sabrent finally got back with me... after speaking with their tech lab, they are going to send out a replacement ...

I guess we'll see what I get from them directly ...

[twin dew]

And reports that it is only linking as that 2.x, even on 3.0 slots etc.

WiGig is in theory up to 7Gbit/s (less in reality), PCIe 2 x1 is about 5Gbit/s.

[cyan crescent]

I am back

[cyan crescent]

Htc vive wireless adapter

There is only one version of the card.

[twin dew]

Yeah, so M.2 to PCIe slot converter.
And you might need to put it on the front M.2 and then use a PCIe riser.
If you cannot find one that is combined one.

PCIe 2.0 or 3.0 with 1x slot is enough based what I found.

So something like this:
www.delock.com/produkt/64131/merkmale.html

[cyan crescent]

I can’t imagine it will fit on the front m.2 slot due to where its positioned

[twin dew]

So one of the M-key versions, or similar from other manufacturers.

[cyan crescent]

https://a.co/d/2j44ycm

This is the one i got

[twin dew]

So you got the parts, but it doesn't work?

[cyan crescent]

I got the parts and it fits in the rear slot, but i have nothing on me atm to determine if it works as i would like it to.

I dont have the wireless adapter yet

[twin dew]

Yes, should work.
And cannot you just test with any PCIe card?
Including GPUs that don't pull too much power from the slot.

[cyan crescent]

Dont have any regular pcie x4 or x1 card and my gpu wont fit cuz its not an open back connector on the adapter

[twin dew]

Ok, looked in the pics that it had open back.

Only question is the signal integrity.
But for 2.0 it very probably works, when the slot is 4.0 and the adapter is 3.0.

[cyan crescent]

I just looked and realized that

Should i try my 7900xtx in it rq?

[twin dew]

But plugging in 4.0 device will not work, unless you limit in the BIOS first.

Because the end points see both are 4.0 or better, but don't know about the 3.0 part in between.

You could go to the BIOS, limit the M.2 slot to PCIe 2.0, and try?

Just if you get picture and get to BIOS with the GPU in that.

[cyan crescent]

Will try it later

[night girder]

blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2023/11/08/announcing-windows-11-insider-preview-build-23585-dev-channel/

Good job Microsoft. Now all the rest 😄

[charred pewter]

lol

Cortana can be UNINSTALLED ?!??!?!? wow

now only if apple will follow suit and let us get rid of Siri

constant prompts "Finish setting up your mac! Turn on Siri." .... and im like ... no

[wanton orchid]

the negotiation is normally testing the line and fallingback in the specs

[charred pewter]

No!

[wanton orchid]

though I agree it can still fails

[twin dew]

Doesn't always work right.
Sometimes seems to just try to go with what the end points support.

[charred pewter]

"A.I. Are People Too" 🇦🇮

hmm... that flag choice is wrong ... should be a skynet logo

ive still not run the windows update .... kinda hesitant

always something changes for the worse

[winged valley]

They already could be uninstalled

You had to use the deployment command

So I guess they're just making it easier to do now?

[night girder]

deployment command didn't do it clean. Left over garbage sometimes and references etc.

[charred pewter]

makes sense to me... seems a logical solution

[jagged snow]

@twin dew #satisfactory message

[twin dew]

...

[wanton orchid]

[edgy hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-lmao-rofl-xd-gif-23342272

[jagged snow]

I had to re-read that

I can't believe that's real

[twin dew]

Good thing throttling works to well today, otherwise he would probably have dead CPU.

[cyan crescent]

Now a days, its hard to kill a cpu

[maiden coyote]

new factory dedi server uses so much less memory. 8-10GB to like 2-4GB wow

[pure karma]

i have achieved eternal battery life my battery wear level went from 38% to 37%

[charred pewter]

i can plug a usb-c to usb-c cable into my mac and it begins to charge itself. I have unlocked perpetual energy!

[visual tree]

*corporation wants to know your location

[pure karma]

and then you simply have to accept defeat....

[dire igloo]

pretty sure it's not supposed to do that

[twin dew]

No specific check to see if both are connected to itself.

[charred pewter]

"Do you wish to turn on your wi-fi?" in-app purchase

"Incoming bluetooth shared file, pay .49 cents please to accept"

"File Sharing Tax"

corpo want a piece of every bit of bandwidth

"Set up a home network! Only $499.99"

"Unlimited local bandwidth (but you will still get ads)"

its like the days of PAYING for ads delivered to your FAX machine because they were eating up your paper and ink

heh

my ISP applies a "Call before you dig recovery tax" ... which is a service provided by the city where you call before you dig and they come out and mark the land where all the wires/pipes are.... thing is... the city already pays for that (from our generic property taxes).... so for my ISP to 'charge a recovery fee' for that is actually false and robbery

its also like since the ISP charges a seperate "equipment rental fee" ... they can also charge "sales tax" on that equipment fee because its not the digital service provided, its a physical good ...

waaay back 12 years ago, the service fee included all equipment, so there was no sales tax on your service bill

not sure who to blame for that change ... cause 'sales tax' is supposed to be reported and turned into the gov ...

all the sales tax WE collect from texas residents, we have to send in to the texas gov each year

which is strange, given we dont sell physical goods ... yet we are required to charge sales tax

haha ... corpo no like small biz

yes

they dont call it 'bribery' ...

but is the same

[sharp oasis]

RT looks amazing in satis

[charred pewter]

like... they dont want to call it "con job" cause its degrading, they would rather be tried on "anti-trust" as it sounds more civil

[dusk rivet]

Now i see why people obsess over cable management so much

[sharp oasis]

Lumen Theres a few tweaks needed to denoise some of the lighting

But my gpu can mange the game at 1080p MAXIMUM settings at 60 fps

uncapped framerate is 67fps

[languid gulch]

would there be any point in investing in going from a 5600X to a 5800X3D for gaming stuff now that AM4 has been officially dead for a while

[dusk rivet]

just spent 20 minutes cable managing stuff at my desk with some cable clips i ordered and holy it's so much nicer

no more dropping cables into the cable abyss behind my desk

[sharp oasis]

Budget upgrade Ig

[charred pewter]

mmm cable abyss

[languid gulch]

doesn't feel like enough of an uplift to justify if ryzen 8000 is out in less than a year along with more stable AM5 mobos

[charred pewter]

"unplug charging cable from phone... cable slides off back of desk... DAMNIT"

[dusk rivet]

if you saw behind my desk you'd know why i call it a cable abyss

[sharp oasis]

tho

Problem Idk what is is

[dusk rivet]

if a cable falls back there you bet i'll be looking for it for the next 15 minutes

[languid gulch]

what's even better is when it's the entire damn usb hub

[dusk rivet]

i need motherboard makers to add more USB slots

[sharp oasis]

satisfactory lags ALOT wile leading new terrain sometimes

[charred pewter]

hehe... i have my desk pulled 2 feet from all walls (it sits near center of room) ... got so sick of trying to reach back and fish cables

[dusk rivet]

case makers too

give me all the usb's

[charred pewter]

.8174782423 meters ?

[dusk rivet]

i play vr in my office, that isn't an option for me

[charred pewter]

2 feet easier to say

lol

[dusk rivet]

holy does it get toasty in the summer playing vr games in the same office as two gaming pcs

[charred pewter]

oh, i guess its actually .6096 meters

or... .69 meters to give it an extra bit of 'length' bowchickabowwow

[dusk rivet]

though one of them sits idle a vast majority of the time

poor alienware pc with a dying psu or gpu

[charred pewter]

i have a box on the back of my desk with a 6 inch duct, which runs through to the closet into the other room where it has a inline duct fan sucking all the hot air out 😄

[dusk rivet]

I am so jealous

i would kill to have a duct that takes all the hot air from the pc out of my room

[charred pewter]

yeah ..... i did it this year cause the new pc generates a LOT of heat

its fine in winter 😉 just not summer... spring.... fall ......

[dusk rivet]

when i upgrade to a 7900xt and 7800x3d i'm gonna be sweating

[charred pewter]

since the A/C controller is out in the hall, it would never really read the heat coming out into the office ... so trying to turn the a/c down cooler didnt work right

[dusk rivet]

i recently realized pcpartpicker has a dark mode, this is so much better

[languid gulch]

ha

oh yea my pc is right by the air return, so that definitely saves me from cooking

[dusk rivet]

my office is tangential from the rest of the house, and has a big ole window

in the summer i’m baking

my google chrome is recommending me the U8 EA release video, but i never searched anything related to it or consumed an U8 content online other than discord, creepy

[winged valley]

Its because you play satisfactory, are in a satisfactory discord, and U8 was released

Discord says in their TOS your messages are used for advertising

[charred pewter]

Discord = DataMiningChatSystem 😄

[jagged snow]

That's pretty much the go to

[dire igloo]

I got a Poco F5 recently, also Redmi Note series is great for value

[lofty urchin]

so i got the U8, booted it saw the driver update window, updated the driver, restart the machine, open the game and still says need update? what do?

[dusk rivet]

update the drivers manually

don’t click the little update driver button

[lofty urchin]

did that, copied the link, (reset nvidia password lol) got that all happy as far as i can tell, it still gives prompt on game start?

[dusk rivet]

weird

[lofty urchin]

well, it hasnt crashed after a few minutes...maybe its fine? just doesnt 'know' it yet? give it a day?

[torpid plaza]

do any of u know how to blacklist websites on my search engine?
want to exclude fandom.com
both terraria and satisfactory have a wiki hosted there and for both games there is another superior version

[maiden coyote]

the magic of induction.

[torpid plaza]

nvm found something, ublacklist

[jagged snow]

There's also an extension that will automatically redirect all fandom links to wiki.gg

[torpid plaza]

oh wow, whats it called?

[jagged snow]

Redirect to wiki.gg

[languid gulch]

a few months ago my family was talking about doing a LotR marathon this xmas for the 20th anniversary, & we talked about making a xmas tree look like mount doom. our phones were clearly listening to us because we all started getting Mountain Dew ads

[sharp oasis]

@jagged snow with U8 maxing out settings with TSR at native. Makes it really hard to run at any framerate above 60. Aka uncapping I get 67 fps. And I consume basically 230w Vs consuming 150w and getting 60fps

That and uncapped temps run away again

I need to get my GPU professionally serviced. As it used to be able to handle 230w loads fine

Now I can barely pull 180w

Without going into the spicy zone

[dire igloo]

My F5 has it. Works not quite as well as on my Note 9, but once I'm used to it, nothing that's hindering me.
All other Xiaomi phones that I've seen fail were damaged by user error

[dire igloo]

Try DDU

Basically full driver reinstall

[sand saddle]

So you repasted? With what results?

There's not much a PC shop can do extra other than what you can do yourself.

[dire igloo]

Pretty sure there's more phones with Android One

Wikipedia says Android One is still being supported

[twin dew]

There are phones with stock Android, but the Android One branding has been killed.

So finding them is much harder.

In HMD Global (Nokia branding) we trust?

It is the Nokia mobile business in everything but name.
Bough back from MS by Nokia as separate business.

[rigid dirge]

I just got this and im scared to do anything. What should i do?

[twin dew]

Update the GPU driver?

[rigid dirge]

So just click yes?

[night girder]

do you have nvidia geforce experience installed?

[twin dew]

No, that just continues to the game.

[rigid dirge]

No?

[twin dew]

Visit the url listed and download latest drivers.

[night girder]

Then do what Baldur said.

[rigid dirge]

Ok.

[twin dew]

https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/geforce/drivers/results/216464/

[night girder]

If you have time, look into experience. Can keep your drivers up to date.

[twin dew]

The version you have is now almost exactly one year old.

[night girder]

or device manager

[twin dew]

Nah, that just prompts you to select a driver.
It is not automatic update.

[night girder]

Properties

done it before

[twin dew]

That gets the latest installed on your system, or in Windows Update catalog in theory.
Not the latest.

[rigid dirge]

Do i just click "download now?

[twin dew]

Yes, and then you run and install it.

[night girder]

Huh, funny. Where is windows update now with their forced drivers 🤣

[twin dew]

That gets the forced version.

Which is 3-9 months out of date for AMD.

Usually.

[night girder]

I have to jump through hoops to get it disabled. And people who need it, mcmiko05, don't get it.

Honestly mcmiko05, when you have time. Look into geforce experience. It will notify you of driver updates. And download and install them for you.

It also has some other features you might like or not.

[twin dew]

The login requirement is just asine.

[twin dew]

Yes?

Not the best, but good enough.

And best of the free ones.

The Yes? was because the answer was so obvious in my head.

[dusk rivet]

probably always will be

[twin dew]

Not limited to old people.

Pretty minor part of corporate hackings are actual remote hacks.
Most start with some employee doing something stupid with phishing or like.

And still even cases of plugging USB "drives" or like they found outside the work into their work computers happen.

[edgy hazel]

Always funny when you forget a usb stick in the kitchen and an hour later the @all goes out in teams

3 photos with the worst lighting showcasing your dirty and broken usb stick attached

[pure karma]

i mean it should do unless your like really really trying to get a bunch of viruses

[dire igloo]

Bad infosec training is the most common vulnerability
https://youtube.com/shorts/VAWwtjtRM98

[pure karma]

im going to assume this is not a good firestrike score

[charred pewter]

i would say 'some basic restraint' protects you from getting a virus... but thats about as useless as saying 'use common sense'

[dusk rivet]

common sense is incredibly rare

[dire igloo]

No idea, how does it compare to PCs with similar spec?

[pure karma]

dont really run firestrike cuz im ussually not working whit DX11 only

[pure karma]

no comparison info so idk would have to search deeper and tbh dont have time rn

[dire igloo]

Thing is with CS: would you rather risk helping a hacker or not helping a customer?

[dusk rivet]

helping a hacker could prevent you from helping any customers, but it’s more likely you’d not help a customer than you would encounter a hacker

[charred pewter]

but common sense greatly depends on your location and community you live in... what is 'common' sense is not equal across the globe

so it always has bugged me when people just say "use common sense"

[dusk rivet]

train your employees properly and hope for the best?

[charred pewter]

our customer service team gets frauders who write in trying to game the system ... and also phish attempt tickets and the like. they gotta be on their toes

[dire igloo]

Also, common sense sometimes goes against training and infosec "oh, he seemed nice and I didn't reveal any meaningful info, just the name of one of our department leaders, you could probably figure that out yourself".

Next thing, CEO fraud

[dire igloo]

Pretty much, yes

Also: it's best if the one hacker they do fall for is you

So try pentesting your employees

[charred pewter]

cause CS is generally a good vector to breaching into a company

hehe, i did that recently (unintentionally), i was testing the system on spotting phishing by sending some stuff through an odd entry point, and the team was like 'wtf is this crap?'

heh

im paranoid at work

[dusk rivet]

white hat hacker type thing?

[charred pewter]

yup

a hacker you trust (or yourself) to see just how far you can get

[dusk rivet]

even if they get through, helps you determine what and where to improve stuff

[charred pewter]

true that... some holes can just be plugged before they go anywhere

like, for the loving pete.... any system that just forwards on html in a message should be shot dead

[edgy hazel]

please don't pentest your employees

[charred pewter]

why not? HR can go screwtest themselves 😉

[edgy hazel]

HR is too busy hiring actual monkeys

[charred pewter]

haha, enough of them and things actually get done, right ?

[dusk rivet]

right….?

[dire igloo]

Yup.
I recommend this talk:
https://youtu.be/NNqBwb0DC_Q

[dire igloo]

Better than not doing it

"we never had any reports of security incidents before we hired an infosec responsible"

[jagged snow]

That doesn't sound normal, I play at 1440 high/ultra with lumen on and get about 90-100 fps on a new save

[jagged snow]

That's all I pull on a regular basis anyways

I'll pull above 185 in some games

[dire igloo]

Love these comics btw

[charred pewter]

gotta love bot farms ... Steam stats change over last month LOL

[sharp oasis]

Temps are stable up until 75c GPU temp. Then it runs away. Delta more then 25c

Used to be able to handle much higher wattages up to 230w

[dire igloo]

Did you repaste?

[sharp oasis]

Yes using MX4

I may just get it professionally serviced.

[dire igloo]

Maybe something doesn't have proper thermal contact after reassembly?

Or did the issues arise before switching?

[twin dew]

And MX4 is AFAIK very bad on GPUs and fails pretty quickly?

[sharp oasis]

No idea

I've used on my 580

Didn't have much of an issue

[twin dew]

But might be remembering wrong too?

[sharp oasis]

Probably

I was much less attentive to my components with my 580

[twin dew]

That it worked on previous GPU doesn't mean it works on current.

[sharp oasis]

Tho people have used mx4 on a 3090 iirc

Should I use what I have for the hydronaut on the GPU die

I may need to buy some more thermal paste

[twin dew]

Depends much if the GPU die and the cooler are straight or not, and how tight the mounting is.
Many pastes fail if the mounting when tightened is too loose, like often on GPUs and laptops vs. CPUs.

Yeah, MX-4 is 1-3 months on GPUs.

[sharp oasis]

It's been about half a month on the gpu

[twin dew]

Just get Cryopad?

[wanton orchid]

MX-4 is working on being very very thin and staying very thin with no air
so if it's not tight mounting it's probably shit past

[twin dew]

Sorry, KryoSheet.

www.thermal-grizzly.com/en/products/625-kryosheet-en

[twin dew]

GPU mountings are usually pretty loose, and lot of thermal changes for lot of pump out.
And the straightness is usually pretty hit and miss too, causing even more pump out.

So most CPU thermal pastes just don't last in GPUs or laptops.

[sharp oasis]

What size should I use

[twin dew]

What was the GPU?

[sharp oasis]

6700XT

[twin dew]

Basically you want die sized.

[wanton orchid]

why is it that way though, wouldnt gpu also benefit from tight mounting ?

[sharp oasis]

I have my GPU tight. Without stripping screws level tight

[twin dew]

Danger of cracking the die.

[jagged snow]

It's easier to not go tight when you're cooling direct die

[jagged snow]

Don't do that... tightening the screws doesn't make the cooler any tighter

[twin dew]

Yeah, it is determined by the spring, not the screws.

[sharp oasis]

Damn

So I'm kinda screwed aren't i

No pun intended

And prolly can't rma the GPU at this point

Plus I don't have a spare one

Ehh no complaints to amd this is on me

[wanton orchid]

you probably need to carefully clean it
and put appropriate pads in there

[sharp oasis]

I'm using stock thermal pads on all parts

[wanton orchid]

aren't kryosheet too thin for that ?
they are designed for cpu tightening too

[sharp oasis]

And per repaste I cleaned it with a soft toothbrush

Very soft.

[wanton orchid]

what

[sharp oasis]

Like a cleaning brush eseentally

[wanton orchid]

why brushing it

[twin dew]

Don't EVER brush with standard plastic brushes...

Anything electronic.

[jagged snow]

@sharp oasis it makes me wonder if you have a thermal pad bunched up that's lifting the coldplate

[twin dew]

0.2mm thick before being compressed, so completely fine.

[sharp oasis]

I have make sure to lay them flat

[jagged snow]

If you're using isopropyl it's not typically a concern

[twin dew]

The plastic brushes without carbon added are huge ESD generators.

25x25mm for RX6700XT:
www.thermal-grizzly.com/images/downloads/SizeGuide_Kryosheet_TGU20231005.pdf

[sharp oasis]

90% iso alc specifically for cleaning electronics

It's quite litterally simply alc and purified water

No added skin care stuff

[jagged snow]

It's pretty unlikely that you killed the card, the small water content of the isopropyl aids a lot in reducing esd danger

[twin dew]

Yeah, just bad idea.
That was the point.

It is done, hopefully didn't cause anything, but bad idea in future.

[sharp oasis]

So I can use what to clean my gpu

[twin dew]

When semi-conductive brushes don't cost a lot.

[sharp oasis]

I normally use like a cotton pad and the brush

[twin dew]

Or just use toilet or kitchen paper?

[jagged snow]

Microfiber paper towel with isopropyl for the die, conductive brush with isopropyl for the surroundings

[sharp oasis]

Kk

Alight sorry bout that

[wanton orchid]

tissus are a lot better at catching and retaining small paste parts
brush will merely spread it

[jagged snow]

I really wouldn't worry about it, chances are high that the card is fine

[sharp oasis]

My GPU isint dead as it's still working in my system. But I'll take this as advise for later if I do repaste / repad my gpu

[twin dew]

Yeah, was just for future.

[sharp oasis]

I may get some new therm pads for the vram / chokes

Reapply all thermal pads and then do thermal paste again

[wanton orchid]

the only bad thing about tissus is left over fibres on the pcb metal parts, which you should check for, but it usually go out with blowin air on it if it's clean

[sharp oasis]

Hence why I use the cotton pad

It doesn't fall apart as easily

[wanton orchid]

👍

[twin dew]

So probably 18.31mm x 18.27mm die for Navi 22?

[jagged snow]

I know it's 335 mm2

[twin dew]

And then that 25x25mm is the smallest that will cover it.
24x12 will not, and would need to cut it down anyways.
Or protect the small components.

[jagged snow]

And I'm pretty sure it's a square die from when I repasted my card

[twin dew]

Yeah, that is the area, but most places don't list more than that.
The source for the dimensions were leaks from before the actual launch, so that is why cannot be completely sure.

And yes, the die is square, so that would match.

But need to do some very careful snipping to get the oversized pad down in size.
(Putting it in freezer will help AFAIK?)
And then use tiny dab of paste to get it to stick in place when installing the cooler.

But the freezer effect in this case will be minor, and the pads are very easy to tear

KryoSheets I mean.

As most of the carbon fibers are in height direction, for better heat transfer.

[wide void]

ohh, tomorrow is my steam accounts birthday, big one next year

older than a lot of the people I game with.. lol

[twin dew]

I joined somewhat late, in summer of 2004.

[wise arrow]

Just checked mine:

[twin dew]

For Orange Box.

No, that was much later...

What did I join for...

[wide void]

mine was Half Life 2

[wise arrow]

I joined with the Half-Life Generation set

[wide void]

damn, you had to be in the very early days

[wise arrow]

I remember the days of manually patching Half-Life and Team Fortress Classic which was before Steam

[twin dew]

Nah, that is the 2004 timeframe, or very late 2003.

Ah, sorry, Steam was only launched at fall of 2003, another part seemed to say it was in 2002.

So my registering was probably to register my Half-Life 1 key, before keygen people did.

[wide void]

lol

[twin dew]

There were major problems with people running keygens for Valve games back then and trying to register the keys in Steam.

Until they found one that worked.

But then the legit owner couldn't register it anymore.

[wise arrow]

I had a few friends run into those problems.... but Valve were quite good at sorting it out quickly

[sharp oasis]

@twin dew if I am to use a thermal paste again what do you reccomend for my gpu

[jagged snow]

I have hydronaut on my card at the moment

[twin dew]

No idea really.
Haven't looked closely enough.

[jagged snow]

The paste is not to blame for your temps

[sharp oasis]

Oh I know

Tho apparently I'm using terrible paste for gpus atm

[twin dew]

It can easily be, if the temps are first fine after repaste and then start to climb again.

[sharp oasis]

I'm using MX4

Atm

[jagged snow]

Pulling 200w for 15m at a room temp of 18 I reach a maximum edge temp of 68 and a maximum hotspot of 84

[jagged snow]

I meant the hydronaut that he had on his card before

[twin dew]

Ok, that.
Because previously he tightened completely wrong.

And MX-4 in turn just doesn't last in GPU.

[jagged snow]

MX-4 is also a thicker paste if I remember correctly, so it's very possible that the mounting pressure is not sufficient to properly distribute the paste and it is keeping the coldplate off the die

[sharp oasis]

I have a very small amount of hydronaut

Lefy

Left

[twin dew]

You don't need that much paste, in the previous pics you had over 10 times too much.

[sharp oasis]

Yeah

That was just a desperate attempt at patching the problem

Didn't work lol

[narrow folio]

It was nice remembering the good ol' days of half life 2

[charred pewter]

nice

im only at 14 years .... i joined it after they kinda turned into a store for other games 😄

[stoic pelican]

Mine is "longer" 😅😅😅😅

[pure karma]

im only clossing in on 3 bruh

[sharp oasis]

@jagged snow i unironically reccomneded a friend to get a threadripper.

For context. He loves to do renders in his spare time

He already has a 7900X and that's not enough

For cpu. I said to him. Either go Intel or go threadripper at this point

And Boi just get yourself like a massive ass GPU or so lmfao

[jagged snow]

Sounds like it fits his use case

Did you reccomend old or new threadripper?

[jagged snow]

Yeah, they just released a new generation

[twin dew]

Even the 5000 Pro:s were only 1 year Lenovo exclusive.

And the new ones didn't get any exclusivity.
But you cannot buy one yet, just announced, not released.

[jagged snow]

Ah, I had mixed that up

[twin dew]

I know, its already thursday.

[sharp oasis]

Genuinly i said Whataver fits his budget

Preferbly new threadripper

Oh fr

wait

Not for This lad

Bro actually needs the threadripper

Hes addicted to blender and Runs like Multiple renders on his machine at a time

He has a 7900X and even that aint enough

[jagged snow]

Significantly slower than the 7900x in that sort of workload

There are essentially no consumer cpus that can top it

[sharp oasis]

Rendering 3D objects, LARGE shit he likes to do

Hence why i quite litterally said

"Just buy a threadripper at this point man"

He can afford one Thanks to working as a machinist